[Congressional Record Volume 147, Number 32 (Monday, March 12, 2001)]
[Senate]
[Pages S2152-S2153]
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THE TAX CUT
Mr. DOMENICI. Madam President, I speak of the size of the tax cut the
President of the United States has asked us to adopt. The occupant of
the chair knows the Senator from New Mexico is lucky in that I have a
wonderful person at home who asks me a lot of questions about what I am
doing. It is a great sounding board. I think the occupant knows that is
my wife.
My wife spoke to me about 10 days ago as an average citizen because
she and four friends, all of whom were women, stopped by after getting
together to have a cup of coffee. There were questions raised by these
nonpolitical women--not necessarily Republicans--as to why such a big
tax cut? Why can't we wait? She addressed the question to me.
I said I think it is time the American people deserve to be told the
size of this tax cut. I have a chart. I don't know if it has been seen
on the Senate floor, but it is interesting. The red area indicates $1.6
trillion as the entire tax cut alongside what we select in taxes during
the same period of time. It is most interesting. During the same time
we are asking the American people be given back $1.6 trillion, we will
collect $28 trillion in taxes. Maybe that puts it a little bit more in
perspective, that it is not such a giant tax cut in proportion to the
taxes America collects.
The green portion of the chart is broken into two. The bottom is
individual income taxes, and we have corporate income taxes, and other
taxes.
This is what we collect. This from individuals--14, and 28 total.
Over 10 years, it isn't such a very large tax reduction.
We might also suggest by way of words that both President Kennedy and
President Reagan cut taxes.
Incidentally, both of them--one Democrat and one Republican--cut
marginal rates. They reduced the top rates. They reduced both the
middle rates and the low rates for the same reason.
President Kennedy was advised that he ought to do it because of the
fact the American economy had to be built up and grow and prosper, and
one of the things he ought to do as a Federal official was lower the
marginal tax rates. Lo and behold, that is what a Democrat President
did. He did that without the surplus we have.
Isn't it amazing? We are talking about being sure of everything that
is going to happen; that we are going to have enough money to pay down
the debt. There were deficits in each year of the tax cut of President
Kennedy.
We have a predicted surplus of $5.6 trillion.
Second, the size of the Kennedy tax cut was twice the size in
proportion to the American economy.
Then Ronald Reagan did marginal rate cuts also along with some other
things. Congress loaded it up, so to speak. But marginal rates were
reduced substantially. That was three times the size of this tax cut.
Our President, with reference to asking for a tax reduction for the
American people, has been certainly modest in what he is asking for in
comparison to the total taxes.
Second, some people wonder why we do this over 10 years. We want to
suggest to the American people that it is permanent, and at the same
time, we want to suggest to ourselves the money is not even going to be
collected in the second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth years. It is
just staying with the American people. So it won't be around here. It
won't be in the budget of the United States. It would have already
disappeared from our grasp. We will not have it to spend. The American
people will have it in their paychecks, in their profits of small
business, which they distribute as individuals. It will go to them.
There is nothing better than doing this, and I say do it as quickly
as we can to send a signal to at least the part of the American economy
that is not doing well, and a few States aren't doing well. My friend
from Ohio, Senator Voinovich, was telling me today about Ohio having
some real economic problems. It is far different than New Mexico's
problems. They need a signal from the Congress and the President
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that we care about them, that we are concerned about them, and that we
are cutting marginal rates so as to give some credibility to our
concern about the economic future in many parts of the United States,
and, generally speaking, over the next decade, the status of our
economy in general so people and families will have a better chance. It
will be an important 10 years in terms of job opportunities and
consistent paychecks. That is what that is. I hope everybody knows this
is a reasonable way to do it.
Maybe we will get around soon to satisfying some who have a little
bit of concern about whether we are paying down the debt, and whether
we will continue paying it down over time. They are asking for some
kind of trigger mechanism. Obviously, this Senator hasn't seen one that
will be in place. Yet that will leave the effectiveness of the tax in
place. Clearly, I say to those who want a trigger that you can't do a
trigger that triggers every year because then the people won't be
getting the benefit of this tax cut. They can't buy a car and pay
because you only get the tax cut for one year, and that is a ``maybe''
tax cut. It is not a real tax cut. One year at a time won't work,
especially if you want the effect of marginal rates, which means
lowering at every level a significant amount, though the lower level is
getting a bigger percentage of the reduction.
While I haven't seen any that leave the effectiveness of the tax in
place, I am willing to work with Members, the distinguished Senator,
Ms. Snowe, the occupant of the chair, many others, and Democrats
working on this issue. I say let's continue working on it. There may be
some way to do some collections, but certainly it should not be every
year. There should be a broad-based look at this so we look at spending
also. We should look at the debt if we are going to be doing it.
That is the conversation I wanted to have about the budget and tax
cut.
I want to add to that. It is pretty obvious the Committee on Budget
of the Senate, which now has 11 Democrats and 11 Republicans--it should
be pretty obvious to everyone that we can't get a bill out of that
committee that gives the President an opportunity to have his tax
measure considered by the Finance Committee. You understand that the
budget resolution just permits it. This makes room for it. In this
case, up to $1.6 billion. It doesn't say you have to pass $1.6 billion.
But we can't do it in the committee because we are tied. On every
matter of real substance regarding this budget we are going to be tied.
The taxes are well known by those who have worked with us. If it is
in the Budget Committee for a long time, come a certain date--I believe
it is April 1--statute of law says if you haven't produced a budget,
then you can call one up here. The Parliamentarian is familiar with
that as is the occupant of the chair. I haven't given up on the
committee doing it. I want to have more conversations. But if we can't
come in closer than we are now, I don't intend to have a week's worth
of votes pro and con, each one being 11-11, and then pass one 12-10. It
isn't going to be very meaningful. I may let everybody talk for one
day, let April 1 arrive, and then call up the budget. We will be
working with a number of people on that premise.
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