[Congressional Record Volume 146, Number 120 (Monday, October 2, 2000)]
[House]
[Pages H8583-H8588]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
VICTIMS OF RAPE HEALTH PROTECTION ACT
Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and
pass the bill (H.R. 3088) to amend the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe
Streets Act of 1968 to provide additional protections to victims of
rape.
The Clerk read as follows:
H.R. 3088
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Victims of Rape Health
Protection Act''.
SEC. 2. BYRNE GRANT REDUCTION FOR NONCOMPLIANCE.
(a) Grant Reduction for Noncompliance.--Section 506 of
title I of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of
1968 (42 U.S.C. 3756) is amended by adding at the end the
following:
``(g) Laws of Regulations.--
``(1) In general.--The funds available under this subpart
for a State shall be reduced by 10 percent and redistributed
under paragraph (2) unless the State demonstrates to the
satisfaction of the Director that the law or regulations of
the State with respect to a defendant against whom an
information or indictment is presented for a crime in which
by force or threat of force the perpetrator compels the
victim to engage in sexual activity, the State requires as
follows:
``(A) That the defendant be tested for HIV disease if--
``(i) the nature of the alleged crime is such that the
sexual activity would have placed the victim at risk of
becoming infected with HIV; or
``(ii) the victim requests that the defendant be so tested.
``(B) That if the conditions specified in subparagraph (A)
are met, the defendant undergo the test not later than 48
hours after the date on which the information or indictment
is presented, and that as soon thereafter as is practicable
the results of the test be made available to the victim; the
defendant (or if the defendant is a minor, to the legal
guardian of the defendant); the attorneys of the victim; the
attorneys of the defendant; the prosecuting attorneys; and
the judge presiding at the trial, if any.
``(C) That if the defendant has been tested pursuant to
subparagraph (B), the defendant, upon request of the victim,
undergo such follow-up tests for HIV as may be medically
appropriate, and that as soon as is practicable after each
such test the results of the test be made available in
accordance with subparagraph (B) (except that this
subparagraph applies only to the extent that the individual
involved continues to be a defendant in the judicial
proceedings involved, or is convicted in the proceedings).
``(D) That, if the results of a test conducted pursuant to
subparagraph (B) or (C) indicate that the defendant has HIV
disease, such fact may, as relevant, be considered in the
judicial proceedings conducted with respect to the alleged
crime.
``(2) Redistribution.--Any funds available for
redistribution shall be redistributed to participating States
that comply with the requirements of paragraph (1).
``(3) Compliance.--The Attorney General shall issue
regulations to ensure compliance with the requirements of
paragraph (1).''.
(b) Conforming Amendment.--Section 506(a) of title I of the
Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 is amended
by striking ``subsection (f),'' and inserting ``subsections
(f) and (g),''.
(c) Effective Date.--The amendments made by subsection (a)
shall take effect on the first day of each fiscal year
succeeding the first fiscal year beginning 2 years after the
date of the enactment of this Act.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from
Florida (Mr. Canady) and the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott) each
will control 20 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Canady).
General Leave
Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all
Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend
their remarks and include extraneous material on H.R. 3088.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Florida?
There was no objection.
Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may
consume to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon), the sponsor of this
legislation.
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for
yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, in the summer of 1996, a 7-year-old girl was brutally
raped by a 57-year-old deranged man. The little girl and her 5-year-old
brother had been lured to a secluded abandoned building. The man raped
and sodomized this little girl. After the man's arrest, the accused
refused to be tested for HIV. His refusal to take the test was
permitted and protected under the State law. The man later admitted to
police that he was infected with HIV.
The bill before us would ensure that families like this one, and
numerous others, are not forced to endure torture beyond the assault
that has already been inflicted upon their child.
I urge my colleagues to vote for passage of H.R. 3088, the Victims of
Rape Health Protection Act. This bill will save the lives of victims of
sexual assault. This bill ensures that the victims of sexual assault or
their parents know as quickly as possible the HIV status of the
perpetrator of the crime.
Sexual assault, sadly, occurs too often in our society. These victims
suffer unimaginable cruelties and physical and emotional scars that
usually last a lifetime. Furthermore, with the increased incidence of
HIV infection in the population, these victims are often forced to wait
months or years to know whether or not they were exposed to the HIV
virus.
This bill puts an end to further torture of the victims and their
families. This bill ensures that the victims of
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sexual assault can require that the accused be tested as soon as an
indictment or an information is filed against the person. No longer
will a victim have to wait months or years for such a test of the
accused. No longer will the perpetrators of these crimes be allowed to
bargain for lighter sentences in exchange for undergoing HIV testing.
This bill puts the rights of victims ahead of that of the sexual
predators.
Why is it critical that the victim know as soon as possible if they
were exposed? The new England Journal of Medicine published a study in
April of 1997 finding that treatment with HIV drugs can prevent HIV
infection, provided that the treatment is started within hours. The
study reviews the treatment of health care workers with occupational
exposure. That study found a 79 percent drop, almost 80 percent, drop
in HIV infection with those individuals who are exposed to HIV and were
started on treatment within hours of the initial exposure.
Furthermore, the study goes on to report the rate of transmission
from needlestick injuries is similar to that of sexual exposure.
Clearly, getting information to the victims of sexual assault as
quickly as possible is critical in saving the lives of those if they
have been exposed.
Some might suggest that all victims of sexual assault be given anti-
HIV drugs as a precautionary measure. As a medical doctor myself who
has administered these drugs many times in the past, I know firsthand
that there can be serious side effects. Additionally, I will point out
that a 4-week cost of these drugs can run anywhere from $500 to $800,
an exposure that no person would want to needlessly be exposed to.
As a physician, I am particularly interested in seeing that we take
steps that can ensure that the victims of sexual assault are given
every available opportunity to protect themselves against HIV, a
sentence of death, that could and has resulted from sexual assaults.
Many States already have this provision in law. H.R. 3088 builds on
that. Let us approve this bill and place the rights of victims of
crimes above those of the perpetrators of crime. Let us ensure the
greatest protection possible for the victims of sexual assault.
Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, this bill has not gone through committee. The issue
being addressed is being addressed in the Violence Against Women Act,
where we can have committee hearings and actually come up with a decent
bill. There are several States that have already addressed this issue
in different ways. But the way it has come to us today, it has not gone
through the Committee on the Judiciary. It sounds like it does a good
job, but there are a number of problems with the legislation. Frankly,
there has been no attempt to fashion the bill to accomplish its worthy
alleged goal by any constructive manner.
For example, there has been no opportunity for anybody to review the
bill, there is no opportunity for amendments and there is no
opportunity for any interested parties to comment. It was just sprung
on us Friday afternoon, and here it is. Six weeks before an election, I
guess it is important to pass the bill without any hearings and without
the opportunity to be heard, so I guess this is the way we are going to
have to legislate the last few weeks.
First of all, there are a number of problems with the bill. It
requires a person to be subjected to an AIDS test, even if they are
innocent, even if they can prove their innocence beyond a reasonable
doubt.
Now, some people that may actually have AIDS, may actually be
innocent, and maybe they want to keep that fact a secret, and here you
are, notwithstanding the fact that they can show by clear and
convincing evidence that they were hundreds of miles away at the time
of the alleged offense, that it was not them. They do not have an
opportunity to be heard. They get tested, and there is nothing in the
bill for confidentiality. This information just goes all over the
place.
It requires that the test be given, even though in some circumstances
there is zero risk of transmission. It says a person, if requested by
the victim, even though there is no chance of transmission, the tests
can be given.
There is no protocol, as I indicated, about confidentiality. You may
have a situation where the victim actually has AIDS and wants to keep
it a secret, and, all of a sudden, whether or not the perpetrator had
AIDS or not, you have her subjected to the possibility of this
information getting out.
It is a shocking process that we are here on; no opportunity to
comment, no opportunity to require any due process, no opportunity to
conform this to what many of the other States have done. Six weeks
before an election, here we are with legislation with a good title, and
no opportunity to constructively deal with it.
We asked the patron for 24 hours so we could consider some of these
issues, and, no, here it is on suspension; no opportunity to review, no
opportunity to amend, no opportunity for interested groups to comment.
Here we are, vote it up or down.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the
gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon).
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for again
yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to respond to some of the concerns raised
by my good friend, the gentleman from Virginia. First of all, regarding
the issue of a probable cause hearing that the gentleman brought up, I
believe that the language in my bill sufficiently addresses that issue,
in that a charge has to be made, an information or an indictment.
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That typically involves going before a grand jury, a jury of your
peers, and those processes do not bring, in most instances, trivial
incidents of somebody who was hundreds of miles away at the time of the
alleged crime. Typically, there has been an arrest, for example,
followed by an arraignment.
The reason this is so imperative, a lot of these crimes happen on
Friday night, and if we have to insert in the process a probable cause
hearing, we are going to get beyond a 72-hour window. And if we really
look at the pathophysiology of how this virus is transmitted, the
current recommendations are that if we cannot go on antiretroviral
within 72 hours, then we might as well not even do it.
Mr. Speaker, while certainly respecting rights is something that I am
very concerned about, we are talking about life and death here, a
potential death sentence to somebody who has contracted AIDS. Yes,
there are case reports in the medical literature of people contracting
AIDS through rape; so we know that it happens. We know that the
transmission rate is very, very similar to the rate on needlestick
injuries.
We know if we institute antiretroviral therapy within 72 hours of a
needlestick injury, we can lower the transmission rate of AIDS by
almost 80 percent. It is for that reason that I feel that a probable
cause hearing would lead to unnecessary and inappropriate delay.
We are balancing the life of the other person against the rights of
the perpetrators of these crimes.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to additionally point out that several of
the other bills that we have taken up today did not go before the
committee. The committee frequently waives jurisdiction in a case where
they feel that a piece of legislation is so inherently appropriate that
it needs to move forward, and I think that is the case, the committee's
acknowledgment in this particular piece of legislation.
Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. WELDON of Florida. I yield to the gentleman from Virginia.
Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Speaker, I would ask the gentleman from Florida, in an
indictment, does a defendant have any opportunity to be heard?
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, certainly I
am well aware of the fact that the gentleman from Virginia points out
something that is correct, the defendant does not have any right to be
heard; but the defendant has a period before a jury of his peers, a
grand jury; and I believe that in that situation, a probable cause
hearing would make unnecessary delay.
Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I would just point out, as the gentleman commented, that
in an indictment a person has no opportunity to be heard. If we can
prove that
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it is a case of false identification, we never have an opportunity to
bring compelling proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it could not have
possibly been you; and, yet, you are subjected to the AIDS test.
The legislation before us also includes a provision that a person
must be subjected to the AIDS test, even though there is no likelihood
at all of a transmission taking place. The legislation talks about not
rape, but sexual activity. That could be fondling. If requested by the
defendant, the person could be subjected to an AIDS test.
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. SCOTT. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, as the gentleman knows, being
very familiar with the law, and, of course, I bring to this debate my
experience as a physician having taken care of a lot of AIDS patients,
most reputable prosecutors will look at exonerating information before
they would bring an indictment before a grand jury; and those pieces of
information are not totally excluded.
My concern with the gentleman's issue, the probable cause issue is
that it would lead to sufficient level of delay that people would not
be treated within the 72-hour window; and then, therefore, people would
unnecessarily contract AIDS, and that the better good is to allow this
provision to go forward; and that the rights of the accused would be
sufficiently protected through the indictment process.
Mr. SCOTT. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, I would ask the gentleman
to advise us as to how much time after an offense an indictment is
normally obtained.
Mr. WELDON of Florida. If the gentleman would continue to yield, it
is my understanding that frequently in cases where the information is
compelling, that it can be brought within 72 hours.
Mr. SCOTT. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, an indictment 72 hours
after the offense, including the investigation and the arrest and the
convening of a grand jury is frequently done within 72 hours. Is that
the information that we are going to base our consideration of this
bill on?
I know the gentleman is a physician and not a lawyer, and perhaps if
it had gone through the Committee on the Judiciary, we would find that
a lot of these cases the indictment comes months after the offense.
Mr. WELDON of Florida. If the gentleman would continue to yield, I
realize that all those things occurring within 72 hours can occur, but
it is unusual, and that very often it takes longer. But I am also aware
that we can place a patient on antiretroviral therapy while that
process is working through, and that if we do run into problems with
side effects from the drugs or if there are some serious concerns
regarding the costs of the drugs, that, if at a later time, we are able
to get an HIV test that comes back negative, we can discontinue the
drugs. Whereas under current State law in some States, we wait months
or years sometimes before you learn the HIV status.
Mr. Speaker, what I find even more egregious is some of these
perpetrators engage in plea bargaining, trying to reduce a rape charge
to an assault charge in exchange for an HIV test, which I think is
reprehensible and should not be permissible by any State law, and that
is why I decided to move forward with this legislation.
Mr. SCOTT. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, can the gentleman advise
why it is necessary or what compelling reason there is if the activity
would place the victim at no risk of becoming infected with AIDS, why
the AIDS test ought to be required?
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. SCOTT. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I am confused by the gentleman's
question.
Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, on page 2, lines 12
through 19, it says that the State shall require the following: an AIDS
test if the nature of the activity would have placed the victim at risk
of becoming infected or the victim requested the defendants to be so
tested.
So if the victim requested the defendant to be so tested, even though
there is no chance of a transmission, then the test goes forward
anyway.
My question is, why do we have the provision that the defendant be
tested even though there is no chance of them being infected?
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Will the gentleman continue to yield?
Mr. SCOTT. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I believe that there is a
component of this that is necessary to put people's minds at ease in
these cases. While it may be a scientific fact that HIV transmission is
unlikely to occur from certain other types of exchange of bodily fluids
and that the risk is quite low, the victims of these crimes have zero
tolerance for risk.
And while it may be easy for the gentleman as a lawyer or for me as a
doctor to say, oh, do not worry, what that perpetrator did to you puts
you at virtually no risk, that is not acceptable to them; they want to
know. They want zero risk, and that is why I put that provision in the
bill.
Certainly, as this piece of legislation moves forward through the
Senate and goes to a conference, there may be some opportunity to
adjust this language to put some further provisions in there that may
make the gentleman more comfortable with the legislation, but that is
why I included that language in there.
Mr. SCOTT. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, that is why we asked for
24 hours so that we could work out some of these provisions including,
perhaps, some kind of confidentiality, because the results of the AIDS
test are being made available to at least six, and possibly unlimited
numbers of, people.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I yield 6 minutes to the
gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. Coburn).
Mr. COBURN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me the
time.
Mr. Speaker, I say to my associate, the gentleman from Virginia (Mr.
Scott), that I would like to address three or four questions. Number
one is, one of the bases of his arguments is that there is no integrity
in the testing system in terms of confidentiality; that has been proven
totally false, the basis of that claim.
We as a medical community, as a public health community have not
allowed leaks; that is exactly the same argument that was stated when
children are born to mothers with HIV that they would not come in and
get tested because somebody would find out.
In fact, what has happened is we have even more women coming in and
getting tested because all women are interested in their children.
Mr. Speaker, the assumption that there is not integrity in the
testing process and somebody outside who absolutely needs to know will
violate that person's right is an erroneous assumption, and it is one
that is continually used in the HIV epidemic.
The other point that I would make, so that the gentleman would surely
know this, is that out of the 1.2 million people who have been infected
with HIV thus far in our country, 600,000 of them still do not know
they have HIV; they still do not know if they have HIV.
So whether or not an HIV test is appropriate or a non-HIV test is
appropriate, there is enough behavior in our country that is not
malicious that is associated with HIV infection that nobody knows who
is HIV infected and who is not, because they all look the same. HIV is
not a regarder of persons of color or sex or life-style. It does not
care. It does infect.
The other question that I would ask from the gentleman is, this is
really a question of squaring off of rights. The gentleman from
Virginia (Mr. Scott) has a great record of protecting individual's
rights, and I think that is very important, that we could not ignore
it.
I want to read through a few sets of stories and tell me whether or
not we ought to be protecting the rights of the rapist or the accused
rapist or the accused molester or those that were, in fact, victims of
it. 41-year-old Alabama man raped a 4-year-old girl, infecting her with
HIV which later claimed her life, 1996.
Had we known at the time his HIV status, the little girl would be
alive. As a matter of fact, what we know now is
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if, in fact, we treat early, multiple times, we eliminate the
infection, even if there was positive HIV there.
That knowledge within a 72-hour frame will give us an opportunity to
have at least one aspect of an assault reversed.
A 35-year-old man in Iowa raped a 15-year-old girl and her 69-year-
old grandmother. He was infected with HIV. No access to know. They did
not know it until after the fact, until somebody became positive.
In New Jersey, 3 boys gang raped a 10-year-old mentally retarded
girl. The girl's family demanded that the boys be HIV tested. Three
years after the girl was raped and the boys were convicted, the family
was still fighting to learn the HIV status of the attackers.
I believe that our law is based on balance, balance of both sets of
rights and the claim that we cannot know. As a matter of fact, let me
just change direction. We would not even be having this discussion
today if we handled HIV like the infectious disease that it should be.
That fact, if we had proper partner notification, proper follow-up,
proper exposure follow-up, this would not even be a question on the
House floor, but because we did the politically correct thing at the
wrong time and did not treat it like the disease it is, we now have
600,000 Americans that have died from it.
I think the question is, are we for the rapists or are we for the
molesters? Are we for those people who take advantage of others in
terms of life beyond the attempt to harm someone, or are we for the
victims?
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So the real test of this vote this evening in the Chamber is people
are going to line up. They are either going to be for rapists and
molesters, or they are going to be for the victims. That is certainly
somewhat of an oversimplification, but we would not be here if we did
not have the same rationalization that the gentleman put forward
before, that we cannot test people and hold that confidential.
Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. COBURN. I yield to the gentleman from Virginia.
Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman yielding.
Frankly, we would not be having the discussion if we had 24 hours
notice in which to discuss the bill. I think it could have been worked
out.
Mr. COBURN. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, the gentleman knows that
I have nothing to do with that. That is not changing the fact that we
are here to discuss the facts of this bill.
Mr. SCOTT. When I was in the State Senate of Virginia, we dealt with
the issue and gave the defendant an opportunty to be heard so that we
are not imposing this test on innocent individuals.
The gentleman mentioned that there is confidentiality within the
medical situation of the results of the test. The fact of the matter is
that in the bill, the information is divulged not just to medical
personnel but to the victim, the defendant, the attorneys for the
victim, the atorneys for the defendant, the prosecuting attorneys, and
the judge presiding at the trial.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Pease). The time of the gentleman from
Oklahoma (Mr. Coburn) has expired.
Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, the information is also given to the judge presiding at
the trial, and it provides that if the results are positive, such facts
may, as relevant, be considered in the judicial proceedings conducted
with respect to the alleged crime, by means that it virtually has to
become public information in the public trial.
Mr. COBURN. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. SCOTT. I yield to the gentleman from Oklahoma.
Mr. COBURN. Right. And today we do the exact same thing on syphilis.
Let me put forward to the gentleman that, number one, do we serve
society's greater good if in fact we limit the spread of the disease;
number two, do we serve the victim's greater good; and, number three,
if in fact all those individuals that the gentleman mentioned are
professional, they can be held in conduct claims against their own
professionalism if in fact they divulge it.
The final point I would make in terms of the gentleman's argument is
that it should be exposed. If somebody, in law, has violated somebody
else and has given them a disease, one of the things we do when one is
convicted of a felony is they lose certain rights.
Mr. SCOTT. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, there has been no
opportunity for the defendant to express himself or show conclusive
evidence he is innocent of the underlying charge. The fact that they
may have AIDS becomes public during the trial, before they have had an
opportunity to be heard.
The reason we are discussing this is the fact that before this
information is spread all over the world, before they can say, ``It was
not me, I was 100 miles away, and can prove it,'' it is all over the
world. We would not be having this discussion if we could work this out
so we could have meaningful confidentiality, some meaningful
opportunity to be heard. There would not have been this discussion. It
was less than one business day, no opportunity to be heard, no
opportunity to comment.
I will continue to read.
Mr. COBURN. Mr. Speaker, I would just ask the gentleman to think, if
one of his family members----
Mr. SCOTT. Reclaiming my time, when I was a member of the State
Senate, I worked on legislation just like this to give the victim the
ability as soon as practicable to get the information. This does not
have that.
The gentleman is talking about an innocent person who is having their
private affairs exposed to the world. What good does that do?
Mr. COBURN. If the gentleman will yield, they are not exposed to the
world, they are only exposed to the world if in fact it comes to trial.
What is exposed today is those people who are plea bargaining to get
out of the rape charge by granting testing for HIV.
Mr. SCOTT. Does the gentleman acknowledge that somebody could be
factually innocent and could prove it by conclusive evidence, but does
the gentleman disagree or will he acknowledge that that would become
public?
Mr. COBURN. No, I will not acknowledge.
Mr. SCOTT. I ask the gentleman, how do they keep it private if the
victim gets information, the defendant gets information, the attorneys
for the victim, the attorneys for the defendant, the prosecuting
attorneys, the judge, and the information can get used in a public
trial? Then how does the gentleman keep that information private until
the person can say, ``I was 100 miles away from the alleged incident,
it was not me, and I can prove it?''
Mr. COBURN. If the gentleman will continue to yield, is the gentleman
saying that people are not held accountable for confidentiality
otherwise?
Mr. SCOTT. If the gentleman reads the bill, it requires the
information to become public.
Mr. COBURN. I do not know Virginia, but other States, if you have the
information of public health knowledge that is considered confidential,
then there is no right to distribute that information.
Mr. SCOTT. If the gentleman would read the bill, it is not in there.
Mr. COBURN. I have read the bill.
Mr. SCOTT. This is the bill. The bill requires the disclosure of
information.
Mr. COBURN. At what time?
Mr. SCOTT. During the trial, before the defendant ever has an
opportunity to respond.
Mr. COBURN. Right.
Mr. SCOTT. To show that he was not there, he was not within 100
miles, and the fact that he has AIDS becomes a matter of public
information.
Mr. COBURN. If the gentleman will continue to yield, the gentleman's
contention is that for those people today presently infected by HIV, it
is more important to maintain their confidentiality than to treat and
keep somebody else from getting HIV? That is what the gentleman just
said. That is exactly how we have handled this epidemic. That is what
is wrong with it.
Mr. SCOTT. If the gentleman would think back to what I had said, if
the person is innocent of the charge and can prove it, then I see no
compelling interest to expose the fact that they have AIDS. If they are
in fact guilty, then the fact that they might have an opportunity to be
heard would not slow things down one iota.
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Mr. Speaker, basically if the other side had offered us 24 hours,
even, to discuss the bill, I think it could have been done in the same
form that Virginia did it, that gives an expedited opportunity to be
heard and a right to be tested so everyone's rights are protected.
This provides no such rights. If someone has AIDS and wants to keep
that information private, they have essentially, under this bill, no
opportunity to do it because that information would be part of a public
trial. Then, after the fact that they have AIDS has been made public,
then they get to present their evidence showing that they were 300
miles away and could not have possibly been the one who is accused of
the crime.
Mr. Speaker, this requires testing even though there is no risk of
becoming infected. There is no confidentiality of the information. It
is spread to a minimum of six, possibly dozens of others, even possibly
more. It says attorneys for the victim, attorneys for the defendant,
and that could be an entire law firm. There is no telling how many
people would get the information. None of them are physicians.
This bill should have gone through committee. I am sure we could have
worked out legislation, just like we did in Virginia when I was in the
State Senate, we worked out legislation like this. We could have done
it with the Violence Against Women Act, where the law presently deals
with this issue.
But no, 6 weeks before the election here we come, vote it up or down.
We do not have to consider any of this, we do not have to be able to
review it, we do not have to be able to amend it or give people the
opportunity to be heard, we just have to be able to vote it up or down.
That is not the way we ought to be legislating. This bill is unfair
and unreasonable. It could have been fixed with some minor amendments,
but we do not have the opportunity because it is right before an
election and we have to take it up or down, take it or leave it.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of the time
to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Weldon), the sponsor of the
legislation.
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for
yielding time to me.
Of course, I have the utmost respect for my colleague, the gentleman
from Virginia, and his experience on this issue in the Virginia
legislature. I will point out that it did occur prior to the
development of a stronger body of knowledge on how to prevent HIV
infection.
The article that I cited that this legislation is based on was
published in 1997 prior to the Virginia statute being implemented, and
the authors of this article appropriately point out that for HIV
prophylaxis to occur, it needs to be initiated within 72 hours.
I also would point out that many States currently already comply with
the provisions in this law, including my home State of Florida, and
there have not been problems with release of information to the public.
I would also like to point out that any inappropriate distribution of
information on HIV testing that was to be given by any legal
professionals, then those people would be subject to the standard
disciplinary actions that currently are in place.
Therefore, I feel that this is clearly a case of balancing the
greater good. I believe the greater good is to protect the right of
victims in this case because of the potential to save life. I urge all
my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to support this legislation.
Mr. WAXMAN. Mr. Speaker, I rise to express my concerns over H.R.
3088, the Victims of Rape Health Protection Act of 2000. While I fully
sympathize with the intent of this legislation, I am afraid that it
lacks important safeguards with would allow for the full protection of
victims' rights. I have no doubt that the absence of these crucial
details can be attributed to the bill's hasty discharge from the
committee of jurisdiction, and the complete absence of any deliberation
by the Committee on Judiciary.
It is important that we understand current law as it applies to the
rights of victims of sexual assault. According to the National Victim
Center, 44 states have laws for the mandatory testing of sexual
offenders. Of these states, 16 require mandatory testing before
conviction, 33 require testing after conviction, and six require
testing both before and after testing.
Under Federal law, HIV testing of convicted sexual offenders is a
mandatory condition of States' receipt of certain prison grants. Under
the Crime Control Act of 1994, Congress allowed victims of sexual
assault to obtain a court order requiring the defendant to submit to
testing.
Under current law, such an order may be obtained provided that
probable cause has been determined, the victim seeks testing of the
defendant after appropriate counseling, and the court determines both
that test would provide information necessary to the victim's health
and that the defendant's alleged conduct created a risk of
transmission.
In contrast, this bill requires that States enact mandatory HIV
testing laws where the alleged crime ``placed the victim at risk of
becoming infected with HIV'' or if ``the victim requests that the
defendant be so tested.''
For a bill that purports to protect the rights of victims of sexual
offenses, I am troubled by its lack of important and fundamental
considerations.
First, under this bill, it is possible that testing of the defendant
would occur and the results of that testing be widely distributed--
despite the express wishes of the victim. In other words, in cases of
sexual assault with a resulting risk of HIV infection, this bill seeks
to have States enact laws to compel testing--even if the victim did not
request such testing.
This is not just a theoretical possibility. Victims may justly be
concerned about the disclosure of test results. Despite our best
efforts, there remains a stigma associated with HIV/AIDS. According to
a recent Department of Justice report, New Directions from the Field:
Victims' Rights and Services for the 21st Century, ``Advocates still
report problems with insurance companies that, upon learning of the
victim's HIV test or results, raise health insurance premiums or cancel
the victim's policy altogether.'' This is clearly unconscionable, yet
could easily result from this bill.
Second, we should be concerned with the converse situation, where
only the victim's request will trigger testing of the defendant. Under
this bill, testing must occur if a victim desires it, even in
situations where one cannot reasonably believe the test is needed. I
strongly support retaining the standard under current Federal law of
having the court determine whether the test provides information
necessary to the victim's health and whether the defendant's conduct
may have created a risk of transmission.
Third, this bill fails to truly account for the interests of the
victim. There is no provision of counseling, referrals or services for
the victim. If we are going to expend scarce resources on timely
testing of the defendant, we must ensure that their victims have
complete access to counseling, testing and to health services--services
which should include immediate, aggressive treatment. Nor is there any
question that victims of sexual offenses should be entitled to testing
for other very serious sexually--transmitted diseases, not just HIV/
AIDS.
As the Department of Justice's report states, ``Although testing the
offender may be important to the victim, it should be emphasized that
testing the offender does not replace focusing on the victim's medical
and emotional needs.'' Indeed, many states require counseling for
victims prior or in conjunction with the mandatory testing, as does
current Federal law. But that would not be the case under this bill.
Finally, in another counterproductive departure from current law, the
bill needlessly requires distribution of HIV test results--which are
highly sensitive health information--to a large number of parties, some
of whom in some situations may not require or even desire the
information. Again, in contrast, states like Wisconsin have been
sensitive to these legitimate victim's concerns, specifying that test
results shall not become part of a person's permanent medical records.
I am troubled by these obvious deficiencies of H.R. 3088, and regret
that neither the Committee on Judiciary nor the Members of this House
were afforded an opportunity to correct them.
Mr. STARK. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to oppose H.R. 3088, the Victims
of Rape Health Protection Act.
This bill places the wrong emphasis in dealing with the very
important crime of rape by violating law-biding citizen's
constitutional privacy rights and due process rights.
This bill inappropriately focuses on the defendant rather than
helping the victim of rape. If the Congress really wants to aid the
health of a rape victim, then this bill should include referrals or
direct assistance for health services to rape victims. These health
services should include making available the rapid testing for HIV and
other sexually-transmitted diseases in order to allow the rape victim
to take advantage of an aggressive treatment regimen that needs to
begin within 48-72 hours after infection.
This legislation illegally encourages the violation of the due
process rights of people who
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may well be innocent law-biding citizens. The bill threatens states
with the partial loss of their drug control grants if they do not test
individuals accused of rape for HIV. These individuals have not been
convicted of a crime therefore it is not right to subject them to a
mandatory health test. This action is a violation of these individuals'
due process rights that are afforded to them during a search and
seizure.
This bill violates the privacy of United States citizens. The law
requires states to provide health information of individuals' accused--
not convicted--of rape to court officials and to the prosecutor. This
information is private medical documentation that this law encourages
States to make public. The release of this information to the public
could adversely affect innocent law biding individuals who are found
not guilty. With the public misconceptions and lack of understanding
surrounding the HIV virus, these individuals could experience job
discrimination and social exclusion if these records become public.
Moreover, this legislation unfairly targets individuals with HIV and
gives the implication that having HIV as being a crime rather than a
medical condition. It is time that this Congress began treating
diseases such as HIV as a medical condition and not a crime.
It is disgraceful that the majority has decided to put such a
controversial bill on the suspension calendar. This bill has not had a
hearing or a mark-up in committee and it only has eleven Republican
cosponsors. This is another example of the Majority trying to score
election year points rather than passing thoughtful legislation that
improves the health and respects the rights of all United States
citizens.
Mrs. FOWLER. Mr. Speaker, today I rise in support of H.R. 3088. I
believe that we in Congress must do everything possible to insure the
emotional, mental and physical health of the victims of violent crime.
In recent years Congress has worked very hard to elevate the status
of the victim in the criminal court process--by recognizing the need
for victims' rights and writing those rights into law.
Now we have the opportunity to expand upon doing the right thing for
the victims of violent crime. HIV testing of those charged with violent
crimes is a step in the right direction. The second step--making it
legal to tell the victims the medical test results--is essential for
their emotional, mental and physical health. And, of course, timeliness
of testing and notification of the victim is of the essence.
We will never be able to undo the harm that has been done to the
victim, but we can take steps to control its long-term effects. I urge
my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to take a stand on victims'
rights. Vote yes on H.R. 3088.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Pease). The question is on the motion
offered by the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Canady) that the House
suspend the rules and pass the bill, H.R. 3088.
The question was taken.
Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and
nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX and the
Chair's prior announcement, further proceedings on this motion will be
postponed.
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