[Congressional Record Volume 146, Number 107 (Wednesday, September 13, 2000)]
[Senate]
[Pages S8444-S8445]
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CHINA PNTR
Mr. THOMAS. Mr. President, I asked for morning business because I am
not sure where we are focused, but I want to continue to talk about
PNTR, a topic that I hope we are able to conclude shortly.
Certainly one of the most important issues we have before us is the
issue and the way I come to the conclusion. We all talk about the
problems that exist. Obviously, there are problems that exist. I serve
as chairman of the Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs that
has dealt over a number of years with the issue of China. I don't think
there is a soul here who wouldn't wish things were different there with
respect to human rights, some of the issues with respect to
proliferation, some of the issues with respect to freedom, and market
system changes. I don't think that is the issue. The issue is how we
best bring about that change. That is really what it is all about.
Do we do it through threats to the PRC? Do we do it with sanctions? I
think people have learned quite a bit in seeking to deal with Cuba with
sanctions. It has had very little impact and very little effect. I
happened to be in Beijing where we were having the great debate over
some of the things that were controversial. They canceled a large order
with Boeing. What did they do? They bought Airbuses from France.
Sanctions don't work.
I happen to come from a State where we are very interested in
agriculture. So we need to do that.
Someone suggested during the course of the discussion over the last
couple of days that this bill, if it passed, to grant permanent trade
relations would be, in a word, ``rewarding'' China. I don't agree with
that. The fact is, we would
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be rewarding ourselves with regard to trade. The opening has already
been given to China. We are the ones to whom they have agreed, if this
happens, to lower tariffs on a number of our things that go there. It
really doesn't change the situation much with regard to China. It gives
us a better opportunity to do that.
We also argue about how we implement these changes. Are we more
likely to bring about changes if we are part of a multilateral group
such as the WTO or are we more likely to do it with the unilateral
kinds of things for ourselves? I happen to believe we would be better
off to have an organizational structure such as the WTO to go through
to talk about some of the things we think are not being done properly.
Does that mean we don't continue to monitor things such as human
rights, that we don't continue to monitor things such as weapons
proliferation? Of course not. The question really is, Do we go ahead
with this bill as it is and at the same time go ahead and monitor the
other things as well?
I am opposed to the Thompson amendment, which is an amendment to the
bill to establish normal trade relations.
First of all, as I mentioned, I am chairman of the subcommittee that
has jurisdiction over some of these issues. Neither the Foreign
Relations Committee nor the Banking Committee has been afforded the
opportunity to consider and debate this issue before it was brought to
the floor. That is not the customary way to deal with issues that are
as far reaching as this one. To bring it to the floor without going
through the committees and giving the committees of jurisdiction the
opportunity to consider it--the Banking Committee, as you know, which
has jurisdiction over a portion of these kinds of arrangements, is very
upset about this process.
We, of course, argue that under the time constraints it is most
difficult. The House passed a bill to open normal trading relations. By
the way, the Senate has done it every year for normal trading
relationships. This is really a departure from what has been done. But
certainly, if we amend it at this time in this session, we will have a
difficult time getting it completed.
My first problem is jurisdictional, of course. It was introduced by
Senator Thompson. We had plenty of time and could have done it in May.
It could have gone through those committees. But it didn't go to either
committee. Certainly the kinds of changes that would be made there
would apply. We ought to have that kind of process and not limit the
process entirely. The House, of course, has passed this bill by a large
majority, and we need to move forward with it.
Aside from the jurisdictional concerns, I have a fairly large number
of substitute concerns regarding issues of proliferation, and
particularly the problem of transfers to Pakistan. I don't believe this
amendment will do anything to change the situation. Instead, it would
turn us to the discredited, failed strategy of mandatory unilateral
sanctions and annual votes on the status of China trade.
We have already talked a great deal, of course, about the passage of
an amendment and the impact it would have on the relationship. I want
to stress again that trying to work with China on some of those things
does not make us oblivious to the things on which we disagree with
them. Surely, human rights we are going to continue to champion.
Again, we have to consider how to best have an influence on bringing
about change--change that has not occurred as completely as I would
like. I can tell you from my experience that there is change. The more
visibility the people of China have to the outside world--the fact of
market systems, the fact that personal freedoms provide a much better
way of life, it is becoming more and more evident. For years, of
course, they have not had any opportunity to see what is going on in
the world. For example, things have changed substantially in China. Now
they see it. It is important to encourage changes that need to take
place.
Of course, with respect to another statute that does something about
proliferation, we already have numerous statutes available to the
President. There is a long list, including the Export-Import Bank Act,
the Arms Control Disarmament Act, the Arms Export Control Act, and the
International Emergency Economic Powers Act. It goes on and on. They
provide the very authority that is being talked about in some of these
amendments. They are in place.
Someone said it gives the President the opportunity to decide and be
flexible about it. Then the author--in this case, the Senator from
Tennessee--assures Members that this also has a waiver and it gives the
President the opportunity to change. We have very little reason to have
more legislation in this area.
Finally, I vote against this amendment for the same reason I voted
against all the amendments that preceded it. I am, along with the
distinguished Senator from Delaware, Mr. Roth, chairman of the Finance
Committee, and many others, opposed to adding amendments that will,
indeed, have the effect of delaying or killing the PNTR bill. Most any
amendments would have that effect. I believe most of the Members of
this body also believe that because each of the amendments that have
been offered have not survived and have lost by a rather substantial
vote. I hope we continue to do that.
It is pretty unrealistic while we are trying to complete the work of
this Congress to think we can spend another week going back and forth
in conference with the House and get this done.
I know there are justifiable differences of view. That is what this
system is all about. We ought to talk about those. It is my view we
have talked about them and there ought to be an end game so we can move
on. We keep talking about the things we have to do, including 11
appropriations bills out of 13 that have not yet been passed. Several
have not even been marked up. We have less than 3 weeks, 14 days, to
work on these. We know very well that the President is going to create
some obstacles to the completion of our work so he can have more
leverage to get the kinds of spending he wants and put the pressure on
the majority party in the Congress.
All these things are real and realistic and not unusual. I think we
need to understand where we are. I think we need to take a look at the
job we do have to do so the American people can continue to be served
by those programs that are in the appropriations, that we continue to
strengthen education, so we can do something about fairness and tax
relief, so that we can move forward in moving some of this money to
lower the debt. We ought to continue to work in seeking to get some of
the pay back for strengthening Medicare so some of those reductions
that have been made can be replaced so we have services in the country.
I have particular interest in that as cochairman of the rural caucus
for health care. Some of the small hospitals and small clinics need it
to happen. We need to move forward and not spend 2 weeks on a
repetitious review of the same issues. There comes a time we should
move forward.
Therefore, I strongly urge we do move forward and that we do not
amend the bill before the Senate. Conclude it and send it to a
satisfactory signing at the White House and move forward on the issues
facing the Senate.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. SMITH of New Hampshire. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent
that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
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