[Congressional Record Volume 145, Number 96 (Thursday, July 1, 1999)]
[House]
[Pages H5206-H5216]
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APPOINTMENT OF CONFEREES ON S. 1059, NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT
FOR FISCAL YEAR 2000
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to clause 1 of rule XXII, and by
direction of the Committee on Armed Services, I offer a privileged
motion.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the motion.
The Clerk read as follows:
Mr. Spence moves that the House take from the Speaker's
table the Senate bill (S. 1059) to authorize appropriations
for fiscal year 2000 for military activities of the
Department of Defense, for military construction, and for
defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe
personnel strengths for such fiscal year for the Armed
Forces, and for other purposes, with the House amendment
thereto, insist on the House amendment, and agree to the
conference requested by the Senate on the disagreeing votes
of the two Houses thereon.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. LaHood). The question is on the motion
offered by the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Spence).
The motion was agreed to.
Motion To Instruct Conferees Offered By Mr. Skelton
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion to instruct conferees.
The Clerk read as follows:
Mr. Skelton moves that the managers on the part of the
House at the conference on the disagreeing votes of the two
Houses on the amendment of the House to the bill S. 1059 be
instructed to insist upon the provisions contained in section
1207 of the House amendment (relating to goals for the
conflict with Yugoslavia), in order to recognize the
achievement of goals stated therein by--
(1) the United States Armed Forces who participated in
Operation Allied Force and served and succeeded in the
highest traditions of the Armed Forces of the United States;
(2) the families of American service men and women
participating in Operation Allied Force, who have bravely
borne the burden of separation from their loved ones, and
staunchly supported them during the conflict;
(3) President Clinton, Commander in Chief of United States
Armed Forces, for his leadership during Operation Allied
Force;
(4) Secretary of Defense William Cohen, Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff General Henry Shelton and Supreme
Allied Commander-Europe General Wesley Clark, for their
planning and implementation of Operation Allied Force;
(5) Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, National
Security Advisor Sandy Berger, and other Administration
officials who engaged in diplomatic efforts to resolve the
Kosovo conflict;
(6) all of the forces from our NATO allies, who served with
distinction and success; and
(7) the front line states, Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria,
and Romania, which experienced firsthand the instability
produced by the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia's policy of
ethnic cleansing.
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The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. LaHood). Pursuant to the rule, the
gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Skelton) and the gentleman from South
Carolina (Mr. Spence) each will control 30 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Skelton).
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume,
and I move that the motion to instruct be adopted by this House.
This is a motion to require or to urge the conferees to adopt section
1207 of the House amendment. The House will remember this is an
amendment offered by the gentleman from Mississippi (Mr. Taylor) which
dealt with the goals for the conflict in Yugoslavia. I might say that
these goals were set forth by numerous people, including General Wesley
Clark, including the President, including the Secretary General of
NATO. They have been the polestars of this whole conflict.
We do this in a customary manner, Mr. Speaker. Customarily, at the
end of a conflict, we compliment as a body those who participated in
and helped achieve a victory. There is no question about it, this is a
substantial victory for the allies, a substantial victory for NATO, and
a substantial victory for the United States of America.
First, we speak of the United States Armed Forces. True, it was an
air war primarily, but many of the Army and much of the Navy were
deeply involved. But for that effort, it would not have been nearly as
well done or as well planned nor as well executed.
To the families of American servicemen and women who bear the brunt
of their spouses and their mothers and their fathers being gone,
because of the separation from their home, from their loved ones, and
we support them through this by giving them a congratulatory word.
To the President, for his steadfastness, for his perseverance toward
the goal of victory.
To the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the
Supreme Allied Commander, all of them for their hard work and planning
and implementation of this Operation Allied Force.
To the Secretary of State, the National Security Adviser, and the
other administration officials who engaged in diplomatic efforts which,
in the end, resolved the Kosovo conflict.
And to all the forces of our NATO allies. This was not a mere United
States effort. It was an effort on behalf of all the NATO nations led
by the Secretary General and the Allied Commander in Europe, General
Wesley Clark.
To all the front line states, those who bore the burden of refugees
and of having foreign forces on their soil. Albania, Macedonia,
Bulgaria, and Romania, they all experienced the instability produced by
the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in its policy of ethnic cleansing.
This is a mere token of appreciation by this House to each of these
people, to each of these countries, to each of those who participated
and bore the burden of victory in Yugoslavia.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, the motion by the gentleman from Missouri speaks to an
uncontroversial provision offered by the gentleman from Mississippi
(Mr. Taylor) and adopted by a voice vote on June 10 during House
consideration of H.R. 1401.
Section 1207, the provision in question in the motion, has two parts.
The first part restates the authorities of the Congress under the
Constitution to declare war and provide for the common defense. The
second part establishes eight policy goals for the NATO military
operation against Yugoslavia which, at the time the provision was
adopted, was winding down and, in fact, is now over.
The gentleman's motion does go beyond the text of the House-passed
language and asserts that the House should support section 1207 in
order to recognize the efforts of our troops, the military chain of
commands and a long list of others. While I do not believe that section
1207 or its legislative history had, or has, anything to do with the
assertions contained in this motion, I nonetheless support the motion
of the gentleman from Missouri and specifically want to commend the
United States military and our NATO allies who executed Operation
Allied Force with skill and courage.
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Our Armed Forces, together with the military forces of NATO allies,
conducted a military campaign involving over 35,000 aircraft sorties
without a single casualty. The United States was responsible for the
bulk of this military effort, especially with regard to air strikes
against the most heavily defended and difficult targets in Kosovo and
Serbia.
In addition, the United States forces provided most of the essential
military capabilities in the areas of intelligence surveillance,
reconnaissance, aerial refueling, electronic warfare and combat search
and rescue. While having to carry out what unexpectedly and
unfortunately turned into the equivalent of a major theater war, the
United States Armed Forces were also providing almost simultaneously
significant contributions to the humanitarian assistance effort as part
of our Operation Allied Harbor in Macedonia and Albania.
Mr. Speaker, irrespective of how one might feel about the policy
assumptions and judgments that unfortunately got us into this conflict,
assumptions and judgments which I strongly disagreed with at the time,
these in no way are endorsed by the motion of the gentleman from
Missouri. I believe we can join together in commending the dedication
and courage of all those in the Armed Forces who carried out this
difficult military campaign. I am prepared to support this motion.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from
California (Mrs. Tauscher).
Mrs. TAUSCHER. Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for yielding me this
time, and I rise in strong support of the motion to instruct conferees
on the Defense Authorization bill to insist on language in the House
bill articulating the goals and objectives of the air campaign in
Yugoslavia.
Our military forces with our NATO allies have done a tremendous job
in Kosovo. They have ended Yugoslav aggression against its own people,
forced the withdrawal of Yugoslav military forces from Kosovo, reached
an agreement with Yugoslavia on an international military presence in
Kosovo, and started the safe return of Kosovo refugees.
The success we have achieved in Kosovo could not have been achieved
without strong leadership from President Clinton and his senior
military advisers. In particular, General Wesley Clark distinguished
himself by conducting an air campaign that suffered not a single combat
casualty. I will be introducing legislation shortly, Mr. Speaker, to
award General Clark the Congressional Gold Medal for his efforts.
Or Nation's goals and objectives have been achieved with unparalleled
success. We owe our military personnel a debt of gratitude for their
service. I urge my colleagues to vote for this motion to instruct
conferees.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from
California (Mr. Cunningham).
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, while I agree with my friend, the
gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Skelton), on the service of our military
men and women, because their efforts are laudatory, I disagree
extremely with the laudatory comments about our diplomatic corps and
the President in this effort. As a veteran, it is sickening to me, and
I will tell my colleagues why.
The total number of people killed in Kosovo prior to our bombing was
2,012. We have killed more than five times that amount in our bombing,
and yet we are supposed to be saving people. There has been a forced
and increased evacuation of Albanians outside of the country. The
United States flew 85 percent of all the sorties and provided 90
percent of all of the weapons, and we are only supposed to pay 15
percent of it. If my colleagues will remember, in Desert Storm, George
Bush actually made $2 billion. We did not have to spend $100 billion in
the war and rebuilding Kosovo.
Rambouillet was a joke to start with and, in my opinion, caused us to
go there. Jesse Jackson said that we need to understand both sides of
an issue. One, what were the fears of the Serbs? One, that the number
of Serbs that were killed by the KLA was going to continue if
Rambouillet existed. There are 300,000 Albanians that live in
Yugoslavia that have not left, where the KLA is not. Secondly, that
none of their police forces could stay and protect the Serbs. And we
can see what is happening today there. Third, they were afraid that no
one would protect them at all. And to me this is a travesty.
Our diplomatic corps did not make this happen. If my colleagues will
take a look, it was Russia. From the day we started bombing, I said, we
need Russia to negotiate, we need Scandinavian and we need Italian
troops to resolve this, A, to protect both sides; and, B, to have some
stability in there. And yet the United States and our diplomatic corps
did not.
We are going to see increased interest rates. We will see us pay $100
billion before this is over. And my colleagues that want to save Social
Security and Medicare, where do they think this comes out of? The
surplus.
General Reimer told me that we used 1 year of life in our aircraft,
which were already devastated with parts, and most of those are engines
and so on. If we take a look, one-half of our tankers participated, but
we used all the crew. We are only keeping 23 percent of our military
personnel in here, and it has been devastating.
So, yes, our troops were exemplary, we did the job. But, in my
opinion, the President of the United States and the whole diplomatic
corps, through their failure, caused the war in the first place.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
Wisconsin (Mr. Kind).
Mr. KIND. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time.
Mr. Speaker, I respectfully disagree with my friend from California.
Let us give credit where credit is due. It was because of the strength
and perseverance and unity of all 19 democratic nations of NATO that
finally got Milosevic to capitulate and end the atrocities in Kosovo.
But, ultimately, the credit belongs to those young men and women in
American and NATO uniform who were being asked yet again in the 20th
century to restore some peace and humanity to the European continent.
A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to travel to the Balkans and to
meet and see firsthand those troops who were carrying out this
dangerous mission. I wish all Americans had the opportunity to
experience what I did and to feel the patriotism and the pride that I
felt in those troops over there.
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They performed their mission with honor and with great success.
Unfortunately, two young officers were not able to return home safely.
These were Chief Warrant Officer David Gibbs of Ohio and Chief Warrant
Officer Kevin Riechert from a small town in my congressional district
in western Wisconsin, Chetek.
I am sure that all our thoughts and prayers go out to their families
today. I just wanted to recognize and acknowledge their service and the
sacrifice they and their families made on behalf of our country.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from
Georgia (Mr. Kingston).
Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me the
time.
Mr. Speaker, I want to speak about some concerns and reservations
about what we are doing here. Because I certainly, unequivocally, join
435 Members of this House in support of our Armed Forces and the great
work that they have done and their families who have supported them
throughout this and I support the whole chain in that respect. But I
must say, I am very concerned that this could be misconstrued as an
endorsement of support for our policy in Kosovo.
Because I, as do so many Members of this House, oppose this war. This
was the result of diplomatic ineptitude. It is bad foreign policy. The
President and the leaders never have told the American people what our
American peril was in Kosovo. We do know that one of the goals was to
try to bring peace to that area, and yet we are going to have 50,000
``peacekeepers'' acting as proactive police officers in that area for
an unlimited amount of time. I hardly say that that is a fitting
conclusion to a war and animosities that date back at least to the
Field of Blackbirds in 1389.
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So I want to say, unequivocally, that this House Member joins many,
many other House Members in saying we did not support this war and do
not want to have this vote being construed as supporting the war. I do
not think that the President showed great leadership, nor did most of
his cabinet members, when they cannot define what the peril is, why we
are in a conflict, and when the result of that conflict or that action
is the evacuation of 855,000 people from the country and then another
500,000 within the country who have lost their homes, and now, after
already spending $12 billion in the Balkans and another $5 billion in
Kosovo itself, we are going to be spending billions more to rebuild
that society, which I will not say we should run from that
responsibility at all.
But I do think now we are in it, and it just seems to me that this
administration's whole policy in the Balkans has been a quagmire. It
has been vague. It has been haphazard. I do not believe that this is an
outstanding chapter in American diplomatic history whatsoever.
So I do understand that the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Skelton) has
great respect for the armed services, which we all admire and we all
join him in doing. I am going to support this portion because the armed
services personnel are being commended. But I do want to emphasize
strongly that a large number of Members of the House on the Democratic
and Republican side oppose this policy in the Balkans, oppose this war,
and we have great questions about the so-called peace agreement.
How long are we going to be there? When do we get out? What will be
the result? Why is Russia in the process when they did not contribute
to this yet they are going to have a major part in the rebuilding of
Kosovo? Will this make Kosovo more western, or is it going to make them
more pro-Russia?
So I just wanted to air those reservations, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, there is a limitation on time, but I wish to point out
to my friend from California that the wording herein is a reflection
exactly of the matter that was passed in the United States Senate
unanimously.
I might also say that, because of what we did, the horrors, the
deaths, the starvings, the burned homes, the rapes, and all the
tragedies have come to an end because of what we, our leadership, our
Armed Forces, and our allies did. So this is an effort to commend all
of them in urging the House to adopt section 1207.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Puerto Rico (Mr.
Romero-Barcelo).
Mr. ROMERO-BARCELO. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of the
motion to instruct conferees and to commend our troops for the success
in Kosovo.
We in Puerto Rico are pleased to have participated in the endeavor to
secure democracy for Kosovo. A portion of our military's training was
carried out in Vieques, Puerto Rico. During that training, a tragic
accident occurred when a bomb went 1\1/2\ miles off target and killed
one civilian and injured four others.
I urge the conferees to address the safety and security concerns of
the 9,300 American citizens who reside in Vieques. The accident of
April 19 underscored the hazards to which the residents of the island
are exposed by the bombings during our military maneuvers at the Navy
range.
We must consider other options for training which do not pose a
danger to the U.S. citizens in Vieques, Puerto Rico.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from New
York (Mr. Engel).
Mr. ENGEL. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Missouri (Mr.
Skelton) for yielding me the time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of this motion. I certainly
commend our brave United States Armed Forces, their families. I believe
that President Clinton ought to get all the praise possible for the
conduct of this war. Secretary Cohen, Secretary Albright, all the NATO
allies, the front-line states, Albania, Macedonia, Romania, and
Bulgaria, this was truly a united effort.
I very much regret that we needed this vehicle to put forth this
resolution commending our Armed Forces. The Senate, as the gentleman
from Missouri (Mr. Skelton) pointed out, unanimously adopted a
resolution several weeks now. We have been trying to get the Republican
leadership to allow us to have a similar resolution on the floor, but
they have denied it. This is the only vehicle.
What, frankly, really bothers me is that the same critics in this
House who were calling the war ``Clinton's war'' and were saying that
bombing would never work and the war would never be won and this was a
tragedy and this was a travesty now will not give credit where credit
is due.
The fact is we won this war. We ought to be proud of winning this
war. The President was right. The President did the right thing in
Kosovo.
I co-chaired the Albanian Issues Caucus, and we have been yelling for
years and years about the ethnic cleansing that is going on in Kosovo,
the lack of human rights, the fact that the ethnic Albanians there were
denied for years and years the basic rights.
I am proud of our country for stepping in and standing up for human
rights. I am proud of our President for taking a stand. It would have
been politically easier for him to just sit back and say, what can we
do? This is not our war. Ethnic cleansing and genocide, as abhorrent as
it is, there is nothing we can do about it.
But the President did not say that. The President took action, and
thank God he took action and saved thousands upon thousands of lives.
The fallacy that ethnic cleansing somehow was not happening and that
the bombing caused it is nonsense. It is what I have been calling for
years ``quiet ethnic cleansing'' or ``slow ethnic cleansing.'' And we
put a stop to it and we allowed ethnic Albanians, who constituted 90
percent of the population of Kosovo before the war, to be able to live
normal lives.
So I think that our Armed Forces ought to be praised. The President
of the United States deserves all the praise there can be. And my
colleagues on the other side of the aisle that were calling this
``Clinton's war'' ought to be calling it ``Clinton's victory'' because
the President deserves the credit. I am very, very proud of what we
did.
I want to say, I hope that there will be autonomy and self-governing.
But, as I have always said, I believe, long range, the solution for
Kosovo is independence because those people have the same right of
self-determination and independence that the other people of former
Yugoslavia when the former Yugoslavia broke up and Croatia and Bosnia
and Macedonia and Slovenia all had the right to self-determination. The
ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, in my estimation, ought to have that same
right.
So, again, I commend the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Skelton) for
this. I think we all ought to go on record as praising the Armed Forces
and commend President Clinton.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, may I inquire as to the amount of time that
we have remaining on this side, please?
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. LaHood). The gentleman from Missouri
(Mr. Skelton) has 19\1/2\ minutes remaining. The gentleman from South
Carolina (Mr. Spence) has 21 minutes remaining.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
Pennsylvania (Mr. Hoeffel).
Mr. HOEFFEL. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me the
time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of his motion to recommit. Of
course we should commend the troops. Of course we should commend the
President. Of course we should commend the Secretaries of State and
Defense and all of the NATO leaders and all the NATO countries and all
the front-line States that stood up to this terrible situation in
Kosovo.
What astonishes me is that it was bad enough that the effort here in
this House was not bipartisan to support our effort in Kosovo and today
we do not have bipartisan support to commend the effort in Kosovo. We
have to resort to this parliamentary effort to get a vote to commend
these terrific achievements. And I think it is a sad day.
My father and grandfather, lifelong Republicans, taught me that
politics
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ended at the water's edge. Well, I am afraid to tell the gentleman and
the House that this Republican party is not my grandfather's or my
father's Republican party. Something has gone wrong here. But we had
strong leadership. NATO did the right thing.
I support the motion of the gentleman.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
Texas (Mr. Reyes).
Mr. REYES. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me the
time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of this motion by my good friend from
Missouri. This motion instructs conferees to retain the provisions of
the defense authorization legislation relating to the goals for the
conflict in Yugoslavia.
Maintaining this language will allow us to recognize the brave men
and women in the U.S. Armed Forces who have served this Nation so well.
Through their efforts and the efforts of our allies in NATO, we have
stopped a brutal tyrant from continuing his attempts to destroy a
region and its people. This motion not only praises our uniformed
personnel, but it also recognizes the critical contributions of their
families. Without the sacrifices of the husbands and wives and children
back home, we could not have accomplished our military goals.
When we debated the defense authorization on the floor of this House,
the military conflict was underway. Now, however, we are afforded an
opportunity to show our thanks on the record for the victory that they
have achieved. Now, as the peacekeeping work begins, we must continue
to support the military's efforts and stand by our military men and
women in the field and their military and civilian leaders.
I urge my colleagues to vote for this motion.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New
Jersey (Mr. Andrews).
(Mr. ANDREWS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. ANDREWS. Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend the gentleman from
Missouri (Mr. Skelton), our ranking member, for yielding me the time.
Mr. Speaker, the system that is over 200 years old in our country has
been a very wise one indeed. It is a system in which we vigorously
debate and often disagree about what direction our country's policies
should go in before we engage in conflict. But it is also a tradition
that says that, once we engage in conflict, we unify.
It is the wisdom of this motion to instruct that reflects that
tradition, and it is because of that wisdom that I rise in strong
support of the motion. This motion appropriately looks both backward
and forward.
It looks backward to say thank you to a lot of people who made a
tremendous effort to make the successful result in Kosovo possible, to
our very brave and noble troops, to their families who supported them
back home, to our allies who stood with us, to the front-line States
who endured, and, yes, to the leaders of our country, the military
leaders in uniform, the diplomatic leaders at the State Department,
Secretary Cohen at the Defense Department, and certainly to the
Commander in Chief, to President Clinton. These are words that are
definitely worthy of being said by this Congress.
It is also important to support this motion because it looks forward.
It recognizes that although the conflict is hopefully over in Kosovo,
the job is not, that there still are objectives to be met to establish
a framework under international law for a Democratic government to make
sure that those, including President Milosevic, who commit crimes
against humanity are brought to justice, to be sure that refugees are
brought to a safe and humane home and resting place once again.
This resolution is in the finest bipartisan tradition of our country.
It looks forward and says there is work still to be done in a
bipartisan way, and it looks backward to the brave and noble work of
our troops, their families, and their leaders and delivers a well-
deserved thanks. I am proud to support it.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman
from Virginia (Mr. Moran).
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Mr. MORAN of Virginia. I want to thank the very distinguished
gentleman from Missouri for finding a way to bring this resolution to
the floor. We ought to be proud of what we have done. Nineteen nations
worked together cooperatively to stand up for the freedoms that we
enjoy and to stand up against thuggery. The Kosovar Albanians had been
denied virtually every freedom that we take for granted in this country
since 1989, but that is not why we got involved. We got involved
because we knew a war criminal had 40,000 troops massed on the border,
was going to go into Kosovo and was going to burn homes, oftentimes
with people in them, rape women, execute men, that is what he would
have been able to do in order to clear their country of people based
purely upon their ethnicity. That is wrong.
The free nations of the world stood up and were successful, and in
the process they showed that we can prevail without the loss of one
American soldier, sailor or airman. We were successful with an air war
when people said it could not be done. We were successful in putting
strength and resoluteness in NATO. This set a precedent. We should be
proud of what we have accomplished. And we should tell the rest of the
world that we are proud in a bipartisan manner.
That is what this resolution is all about. It should be passed
unanimously.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from
Guam (Mr. Underwood).
Mr. UNDERWOOD. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me
this time, and I rise in very, very strong support of this motion to
instruct conferees that has been presented by the ranking member of the
Committee on Armed Services. One of the basic principles that we learn
in trying to deal with fellow human beings in our lives is that we
should give credit where credit is due. What this motion to instruct
conferees does is basically to recognize success, the success of our
armed services, the success of our joint efforts along with our NATO
allies, and in particular also the contributions of front line states
that surround the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, the success of our
diplomatic efforts, and the success of the leadership of our military
as well as our civilian authorities and, of course, the success of our
President.
But this is not just about a great victory. It is about a great
success, with some fairly limited objectives. I am sure that many
people will take the time to point out and there will be lots of
discussion about the problems that this has created. It will be pointed
out that there will be problems with the occupation of Kosovo, problems
associated with civil administration, infrastructure, trying to bring
people together who have experienced lots of division and have been
subjected to all the kinds of things which have gone on under the
leadership of Milosevic. But I would like to point out that the
problems of peace are infinitely preferable to the problems of war.
What we have here is a resolution that highlights our gratitude to
the men and women of our armed services and their families and
President Clinton and Secretary of Defense William Cohen and Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Shelton, Supreme Allied Commander
Europe General Wesley Clark for their planning and implementation,
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and National Security Adviser
Sandy Berger. We must send a message of gratitude to all of those who
worked hard for this success.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from
Texas (Mr. DeLay), the majority whip.
Mr. DeLAY. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from South Carolina for
yielding me this time. I want this body to know and through this body
the Nation to know that I support the troops. I think the job that they
gave to us and did for us was outstanding. As always, our men and women
in uniform have done an outstanding and admirable job. I would vote for
this motion to instruct if that is what we were doing. But I have got
to tell my colleagues, a declaration of success in Yugoslavia by the
media and the White House does not mean that victory was actually at
hand. This charade in the Balkans has gone on long enough.
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How can you call it victory when Milosevic is still in power? The
agreement that they signed to end the bombing is an agreement that
Milosevic would have signed before the bombing. How can you call it a
victory when the reasons that we went to war are exactly the reasons
why it cannot be called a victory. The President said that if we did
nothing, there would be Kosovar Albanians destroyed and killed and
refugees would flood the borders, there would be instability in the
region, and that NATO's credibility would be undermined if we did
nothing.
Take a look at it. Thousands of Kosovars were killed, refugees had
lost their homes, they are coming back to burned-out homes and areas
that are absolutely devastated. Instability is still in the region. In
fact, I contend there is even more instability in the region because we
now have a partitioned Kosovo, including Russian troops reintroduced
into Yugoslavia, something that we have been afraid of ever since World
War II. And NATO's credibility has been undermined. NATO for the first
time in the history of NATO changed its mission from being a defensive
organization to being an organization that bombs and invades sovereign
nations. I contend that their credibility is seriously undermined. On
top of all that, our relationships with Russia and our relationships
with China and many other countries in the region have been seriously
undermined.
That is a victory? Was it worth it? Was it worth it to bomb? Was it
worth it to devastate and suck the very strength out of our defenses so
that the fact that we had to move an entire aircraft carrier task force
out of the Pacific and leave our troops in Korea at risk and move it to
the Adriatic Sea? Was it worth it to take our stockpile of cruise
missiles and reduce them from 1,000 that we need for a two-theater war
down to what some people say is less than 45 and we do not have a
production line to build any more? Was it worth it to put the United
States in one of the weakest positions that it has been in many, many a
year in its ability to fight a two-theater war? I think not.
I do not think this House ought to be commending a President for his
leadership, particularly someone like Sandy Berger, Mr. Speaker, whom
many people on both sides of the aisle have questioned his leadership,
in a motion to instruct. I think this is a terrible mistake to bring
this kind of debate to the floor of the House. But it is here and we
have to debate it.
I reiterate, once again, that this body unanimously supports our
troops and the job that they have done when asked to go. We have no
question that they did the best, the job that they were trained to do,
under very difficult circumstances. But for us to call this a victory
and to commend the President of the United States as the Commander in
Chief showing great leadership in Operation Allied Force is a farce.
Therefore, I am going to vote against the motion to instruct and
hopefully we can bring a resolution to this floor commending our
troops.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Let me take this opportunity to point out a bit of history, that I
supported the efforts of our country regarding the Contras, that I
supported President Bush's efforts, successful efforts against Saddam
Hussein, that I supported this country and NATO's efforts against Mr.
Milosevic. Omar Bradley, the famous Missourian, Second World War
General, once said that ``second place doesn't count on the
battlefield.'' We were victorious, Mr. Speaker. Milosevic's troops, his
presence is no longer in Kosovo. Was it worth it to take on Saddam
Hussein? Certainly. It was well worth it to take on Milosevic. The
killing has stopped. The NATO alliance has held together.
I might point out to this body that we are talking about section
1207, and in particular in response to the gentleman from Texas, I wish
to read subsection 7 that says, ``President Slobodan Milosevic will be
held accountable for his actions while President of the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia in initiating four armed conflicts,'' et cetera.
Also section 8 says, ``Bringing to justice through the International
Criminal Tribunal of Yugoslavia individuals in the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia.''
That is what we are commending, that is what we are instructing the
conferees to adopt, among other items.
Mr. Speaker, it is with pleasure that I yield 3 minutes to the
gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Lewis).
Mr. LEWIS of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my friend for
yielding me this time.
Three weeks ago, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia agreed to comply
with NATO's demands to withdraw its forces from Kosovo, ending more
than 80 days of hostility.
In bringing this conflict to a close, the United States and NATO
brought an end to a Yugoslavian campaign of ethnic cleansing, rape and
murder. It ended the flood of refugees fleeing Kosovo and gave hope to
hundreds of thousands of men, women and children that they would soon
be able to return to their homes.
More than 2 weeks ago, the Senate passed a resolution commending all
those involved in our Nation's successful efforts in Kosovo. We had
hoped that the leadership in the House would bring forth a similar
bipartisan resolution commending our troops and congratulating
President Clinton and other administration officials for their
leadership.
To date, they have refused to bring up such a resolution. For
goodness sake, is the dislike so intense, the hatred so great of
President Clinton that the Republican majority cannot bring themselves
to commend our troops and congratulate the President for his
leadership? Listening to some of my colleagues on the floor this
afternoon, I can only conclude that this is the case. These troops
under the leadership of the President of the United States and the NATO
officials stopped a modern day Holocaust from taking place in eastern
Europe.
Mr. Speaker, we should overlook partisanship today and vote for the
motion to instruct.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from
Washington (Mr. Metcalf).
Mr. METCALF. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support and pride in our
service personnel in this most difficult Kosovo situation. But I cannot
vote for this motion. I can neither support nor condone this military
bombing of Kosovo. Bombing is by definition an act of war which if I
read the Constitution correctly must be supported by a vote of
Congress. There was no such vote for a declaration of war. I am very
reticent to allow any President to commit acts of war without such a
declaration. The bombing probably killed 7,500 people and did an
immense amount of damage. Now we will be asked to go in and repair it.
I think the Congress should notify the President that from now on, no
money will be available for acts of war without a declaration of such
by Congress. I believe the cost in billions of dollars now will be
borrowed--we have not got the money to pay it--now will be borrowed
from our children and grandchildren and they will pay interest on it
the rest of their lives. I think this is atrocious.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from
Connecticut (Mr. Gejdenson).
Mr. GEJDENSON. Mr. Speaker, I am impressed by the agility of the
majority party. They come to the floor with incredible arguments on why
we can never recognize a Clinton accomplishment.
The whip was in the well saying that, well, Clinton went to
Yugoslavia and Milosevic was there before and he is still there now.
Let me tell my colleagues, when the Democrats were in control, George
Bush went to Iraq. After the Bush administration told Saddam Hussein,
``Oh, you can take a little bit of Iraq, we don't get involved in Arab
land disputes,'' and then President Bush, with a majority of Congress,
went to Iraq and Democrats and Republicans alike commended the
President for a job well done, those who voted for the war and those
who did not.
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This Congress, on the majority side, cannot find it in its nature to
recognize even one act the President may achieve that is successful,
stopping a slaughter similar to the ones that led to World War II.
Every argument; we have hit buildings, we have caused damage, as if the
thousands of people killed by Milosevic were irrelevant. The President
deserves no credit.
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How many speeches did we hear on the other side that bombing would
never work? We have never been able to achieve a goal through bombing
day after day on the floor. We achieved our goal. We have rid Kosovo of
Mr. Milosevic and his murderers. We are in the process of trying to
establish a peaceful society where people can live civilly together. It
will not be easy.
But just as Mr. Milosevic is still in control, so is Saddam Hussein
still in control. Our goals were never the removal simply of these
presidents. God knows we all hope that Mr. Milosevic and Mr. Saddam
Hussein are tried as war criminals. But to come to this floor under
almost any excuse because God forbid they should ever say a good word
about what President Clinton did; he had the courage to lead the West,
to keep NATO united and to succeed in stopping murder on our watch.
First the argument was we could not succeed, second the argument was
the danger was too great. The only loss of life was not in combat, as
sad as that was. I believe two pilots died in a helicopter crash.
This President succeeded to lead a successful policy, and this
Congress had a chance to vote, and there was one day here where
somebody described it better than I can. Congress voted. They decided
not to go back, not to go forward, and by an even vote, I think of 213
to 213, did not even vote to support what we were doing.
Now after the fact take your partisan hate aside for one moment.
Recognize our troops and our Commander in Chief. They politicize the
foreign policy of this country I believe more than it has ever been
politicized. We always had the courage to come down here, and if we
were wrong initially, we stood up and commended Reagan or Bush or
whatever Republican President was here. Have the guts to do the same.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from
Pennsylvania (Mr. Weldon).
(Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania asked and was given permission to revise
and extend his remarks.)
Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I thank my good friend and
chairman for yielding this time to me, and I rise with a great deal of
disappointment. I have the highest respect for my good friend from
Missouri. I think he is a great American. I have acknowledged that
publicly on a regular and consistent basis.
I would join with him in a heartbeat if this were a resolution
honoring our troops, and the gentleman knows if that were the case,
that resolution would pass this body 435 to zip with no dissenters. But
if we took the resolution and if we want to honor the President, which
is evidently what some on the other side want to do, then let us have
that vote. Take out the troops and just honor the President for his
role. I would say this to my colleagues: That would not pass this body.
That resolution would not pass this body.
So what do we have here? We have a resolution where we are using the
patriotic troops as the cover, as the cover to allow a Commander in
Chief with a policy that is being questioned by Members on both sides
of the aisle in this body to be able to have him say that we praised
him for his actions.
If my colleagues want to have the vote on supporting the President's
actions, then have the guts to have that vote separately. Have their up
or down vote. Let us see how and whether Congress comes out in terms of
whether or not they agree that this President did a good job. Let us
have that debate. Let us talk about the fact that our relations with
Russia and China have never been worse in this decade. Let us talk
about the fact that we are driving the Duma election this December into
the hands of the ultra nationalists because of our deliberate policy of
not involving the Russians for the first 3 weeks, and if a Member
challenges me, I will show them a confidential internal State
Department memorandum that outlines that because I have it.
This debate is not about honoring our troops, and it is unfortunate
because those on the other side know they boxed the Members on this
side, Members who want to display their patriotism and their thanks for
America's sons and daughters for the job they did. But as the President
did when he used the military and paraded them down the White House
lawn for that photo op, as the President did when he stood on the deck
of an aircraft carrier and talked about his commitment for our military
while cutting the budget to an unprecedented level, we are again going
to give this President cover.
We are going to let him hide behind the skirts of the women who
served in the military in combat and did the service for this because
we are going to let him hide behind the uniforms of our military
personnel to get a victory based on the military so he can tell the
fact that Congress is supportive of what he did.
I have never been more sick in the 13 years that I have been here
that we would have to have a vote where we use our military to give
cover to a policy that should be openly debated, and if Members want to
debate support for the President's policy, I would say to my colleague
make that the motion to instruct conferees, make it be on the
administration and the policy, but do not use the troops as political
pawns. All of us praise our troops, but Democrats and Republicans alike
express grave concerns about what we have done here.
We caused the worst humanitarian crisis in the history of Europe in
helping to push a million people out into the hinterlands, and now we
are not going to have a chance to say that. All we are going to do is
say because it has a paragraph that praises the President, all of us
then must be behind what he did.
What a crock of my colleagues know what.
This is a very sad day in the history of this body.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy).
Mr. POMEROY. Mr. Speaker, this is a very dysfunctional Chamber. Blind
partisan hatred infuses, it seems like all issues, even something as we
look back at a successful completion of a military conflict, an end of
a series of atrocities against a people too horrible to fully
contemplate.
The preceding speaker is 100 percent incorrect in suggesting that
this conflict created the humanitarian catastrophe unleashed by
Slobodan Milosevic. The American people know what happened. The
military action under the leadership of the President ended this
humanitarian crisis and stopped the slaughter of a people. We ought to
be proud as Americans for the role played by our military, the role
played by our troops, the role played by our leaders, including
President Clinton, and it might be tough in light of this partisan
period that we are in to say so, but nothing less is deserved.
The President provided leadership when leadership was needed, and the
military conflict has been successfully concluded.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 additional minutes to the
gentleman from California (Mr. Cunningham).
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, where do we have to go from here? First
of all, NATO nations have got to upgrade their own military so that we
do not have to fly 85 percent of all the sorties and drop 90 percent of
the bombs in the future. We cannot afford it, to take the lead in all
of these. Tudjman's ethnic cleansing is 750,000 out of Croatia, is a
war criminal, should be attacked. Izetbegovic according to the
Mujahedeem and Hamas should be a war criminal right along with
Milosevic.
A supplemental check, our next supplemental, should be a check from
NATO paying for our fair share. We are supposed to pay for 15 percent,
not an 80 percent of a war that happened. When we talk about 300,000
Albanians and Yugoslavs that live peacefully, how about the 200,000
Serbs that are now evacuated. My colleagues do not think that those
men, women, and children are innocent victims, that we have a great
victory on our hands and we ought to take care and have as much
compassion for them as well.
Efforts to repay and the relationship with Russia has got to be a
priority. Now Russia, in my opinion, is our enemy, but we have made
great gains with Russia, and unless we continue in that direction, then
all is lost. I think we need to take a look at the Progressive Caucus
in this House listed under the web page: Democrats Socialists for
America, and their last of their 12 point agenda is to cut defense by
50 percent should remove that from their agenda because it does
disservice to our men and women in military and
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disservice to the national security of this country.
We need to take a look at how we are going to conduct ourselves in
these wars, and when the gentlemen say this is partisan; no, there is a
disagreement on what victory is and that we should not have been there
in the first place. Not partisan, but a fact that we should not have
been there in the first place and expend the resources of this country
when there was only 2,000 people killed and we killed over 7,500.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
Florida (Mr. Davis).
(Mr. DAVIS of Florida asked and was given permission to revise and
extend his remarks.)
Mr. DAVIS of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the motion to
instruct conferees. This is not a vote of a popularity contest with
respect to the President. This is a vote to recognize the achievement
of goals.
We had several debates on the floor of this House. We had
disagreement as to those goals. But ultimately we as a country, acted
in furtherance of goals, and we achieved those. Why did we achieve
those goals? Because we had our best men and women in the country here
in the field giving their very best efforts, and by the grace of God we
prevailed.
Were mistakes made? Of course there were. Were lessons learned?
Absolutely. An important part of our job is to think about what lessons
were learned. But we did achieve those goals, and I do not think
anybody can stand here today and say that everybody did not give it
their best effort.
So let us come together as a country through this Congress. Let us
recognize that we achieved those goals. Let us be thankful we
succeeded. Let us learn our lessons from Kosovo and let us put this
behind us and recognize our troops and everybody who played a part in
the mission.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from
California (Mr. Hunter).
Mr. HUNTER. Mr. Speaker, I read the resolution. It starts out
commending the troops, and of course that is the most important thing
that we can do. I think we should all be involved in that. It then goes
on to commend Secretary Albright and the President of the United States
in this operation.
Mr. Speaker, I voted for the air war. I voted to support the
operation even though it was a retroactive vote that was placed before
us. But I am not going to vote to support the President's leadership,
and I am not going to vote, make that vote, for partisan reasons. I am
going to vote because of the President's leadership and because of his
treatment of the military.
Now let us review the facts:
Today we have shorted our military people $13 billion worth of
ammunition. That is all the way from cruise missiles to M16 bullets.
That means, if we have to go to war tomorrow because this
administration has pulled money out of the cash register that was meant
for bullets and used it for peacekeeping operations, we are going to
have people die because they run out of bullets.
Today we are 13\1/2\ percent below the civilian pay rate for our
military. That means that we have 10,000 military families on food
stamps. That is a direct result of the President's leadership or lack
thereof. If my colleagues think the President has paid our men and
women in the military adequately, then vote for this resolution. But I
am not going to do that. Today our mission-capable rates have dropped
like a rock for lack of spare parts, and that is because the President
has not put enough money in the military budget for spares, for
aircraft and the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps and the Air Force. I
am not going to commend the President for that.
So, Mr. Speaker, if the President wants to really do something that
thanks our military families for their valiant effort in this war, I
suggest that he pay them, increase their pay to the full 13 percent
like President Reagan did when he came in and closed that 12.6 percent
pay gap, and I recommend that he supply adequate ammunition so that
they can fight wars without running out of ammunition, and I recommend
that he comes forward with all the spares and the modernization that is
required to keep 55 airplanes a year from falling out of the sky and
crashing, resulting in 55 deaths in peacetime operations like we had
last year.
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This President has hollowed out the military. If he was a Republican,
I would say exactly the same thing.
We have some fault, I think, Mr. Speaker, because we have allowed
ourselves as a Congress to be finessed by this administration and not
to come back with all the requirements our military really needs.
I recommended a $28 billion emergency supplemental because that is
what the services said they needed, and yet when we even tried to get
above $6 billion and finally got to $12 billion, the President resisted
that mightily.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
Massachusetts (Mr. Markey).
Mr. MARKEY. Mr. Speaker, when George Bush came to this Chamber after
a successful campaign in destroying the designs which Saddam Hussein
had on Kuwait, he came to this Chamber and we rose as one, not
Democrat, not Republican, not liberal, not conservative. We stood to
praise our Commander-in-chief.
We did not say, Mr. President, how could April Glasbie, your
ambassador to Iraq, have told those people we would have no protest if
you had designs on Kuwait? Which she did.
We could have said, Mr. President, how could you have not detected
the gas centrifuge technology that he was using for nuclear weapons?
How could you have voted to condemn Israel in the U.N. for bombing
the Osirak nuclear power plant?
How could you have not killed the Red Guard when you had a chance?
How could you have not wiped out Saddam Hussein when you had a chance?
We did not do that. We praised George Bush, after a successful
military campaign, as our Commander-in-Chief. The majority in this
House should be ashamed. They continue this pathology of bitter hatred
of the President at the expense of our country.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
Pennsylvania (Mr. Weldon).
Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I thank my distinguished
chairman, the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Spence), for yielding
me this time.
Mr. Speaker, I say to my colleague and friend, I agree with him. Let
us have the question on whether or not we support this President.
Mr. MARKEY. No.
Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. That is what you just said.
Mr. MARKEY. No.
Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. You just said in your statement, and I
will take your words down if you want to repeat them, that we voted on
whether or not to support the policies of President Bush.
What I am saying and what my colleagues are saying, let us have that
debate. Let us have a real amendment, not a phony amendment, where we
have the President's policies hidden behind the skirts and the uniforms
of the men and women in this military.
Mr. MARKEY. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. No, I will not yield.
Mr. MARKEY. You are over the line.
Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. Regular order, Mr. Speaker.
The gentleman knows full well, as all of our colleagues on the other
side know, if there is a freestanding amendment on supporting the
troops, it will pass 435 to 0. If there is a freestanding motion to
recommit or motion to instruct that only supports the President, they
could not get the votes. You could not get the votes.
Let us have that vote. Let us have the vote you want. Let us have the
policy decision that you have asked for, but you will not give it to
us.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from
Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of the motion to
instruct the conferees, yes, to commend the President of the United
States, our Commander-in-Chief, and our troops, for the success of the
air war over Yugoslavia.
I say shame on those who do not want to honor our troops or to honor
our Commander-in-Chief. If we may recall in this body, some of these
are the
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same people, indeed, who refused to authorize the air strikes in
Yugoslavia when our young men and women were, in fact, flying through
enemy fire.
What is also interesting to note is over the last 2 weeks, the House
Democratic leadership have urged a similar kind of an effort to have a
bipartisan resolution in the same way that the other body did, and they
have been turned down at every single turn, in order to do this in a
bipartisan way.
If we are serious about what we are doing here today, we need in fact
to say, thanks, and commend the Commander-in-Chief of this United
States for his leadership and his efforts to honor the valor of the
young men and women who fought so bravely so that in fact, yes, we can
stand here today and talk to the people of the United States. That is
what both of them did for us.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. LaHood). The gentleman from South
Carolina (Mr. Spence) has 3 minutes remaining, the gentleman from
Missouri (Mr. Skelton) has 1 minute remaining, and the gentleman from
Missouri (Mr. Skelton) has the right to close.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from
California (Mr. Kuykendall), a Marine veteran and the father of an F-14
female pilot.
Mr. KUYKENDALL. Mr. Speaker, we in this country did not recognize the
service of those that fought the war that I was part of. We did a
terrific job recognizing the young men and women we sent to the Persian
Gulf.
I will stand foursquare in front of anybody to praise the young men
and women in this military force we have in the field today. They are
asked to do more with less, more frequently, than any force we have had
in our recent history that I am aware of.
I live that from my past experience. I live it from my current
experience with a daughter that is involved in those kinds of
conflicts.
I find it distasteful, in order to stand up, and want to praise the
civilian leadership, which is actually their praise comes by being
elected to those jobs and being approved by us to hold those positions
as secretaries of defense or other elected leadership that are
civilian. And I am happy to sign on any motion to praise everyone from
General Shelton and General Clark, whether I agreed or disagreed with
how they managed that war on down, because they put themselves in the
position of putting young people in harm's way. The civilian leadership
is not the one where that praise needs to be. It needs to be to the
people who were doing the job, the people who were there and had their
lives at risk and had their families torn apart because of those
deployments.
I very much want to praise them, and I do every time I see some of
them, and I will continue to do that because the times that I and my
counterparts lived through in the 1960s and 1970s should never come
back to this country again, because they do so willingly when they step
forward to carry that banner for us.
I would not be in favor of this. I guess I cannot get myself to the
inflamed pitch of some of my opponents or some of my colleagues, but
the feeling is just as heartfelt. These young men and women are the
finest we have, and they deserve our praise, and that is who we should
be praising specifically and no one else in this.
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of my time to the
gentleman from California (Mr. Hunter).
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from California (Mr. Hunter)
is recognized for 1 minute.
Mr. HUNTER. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman from South
Carolina (Mr. Spence) for yielding the balance of his time.
Mr. Speaker, let me just say to my colleagues, if this President will
close the $13 billion ammunition shortage and supply adequate
ammunition to our troops, I will personally join with the gentleman
from Missouri (Mr. Skelton) in offering any type of a resolution to
thank the President for doing that and say that he is doing a good job.
If he will take the 10,000 service people off of food stamps and
close that 13\1/2\ percent pay disparity between the civilian sector
and the military sector, I will join with the gentleman from Missouri
(Mr. Skelton) in saying the President is doing a good job in leading
the military.
The President right now is not doing a good job in leading the
military. He is willing to do anything to thank them except pay them
and arm them, and I am going to vote no on this resolution.
Mr. SKELTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, there is an old saying that a rose by any other name is
still a rose, and I say, Mr. Speaker, today that victory by any other
name is still a victory.
We won this for a number of reasons; the troops. Representing the
Fourth District of Missouri, I feel compelled to compliment the 509th
Bomb Wing of the United States Air Force led by Brigadier General Leroy
Barnidge, for the magnificent job that they did.
They, and many others, won by the air war; and also but for the Army
and what they did, their presence, the Navy and what they did and its
flying missions, all of them did a good job.
I think we are losing sight of what this instruction is. We all voted
on this amendment. It passed the House unanimously. So I say let us
vote on the instruction. The other arguments are side issues. A victory
is a victory, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. BLAGOJEVICH. Mr. Speaker, I cannot vote against this resolution
because I support our troops. Our Nation is forever indebted to our
service men and women, and they deserve our praise for doing the job we
sent them to do in Yugolsavia.
But there are other aspects to this resolution that I find troubling.
I can't help but think that the agreement signed to end this conflict
could have been signed before the conflict began, avoiding significant
suffering and loss of life on all sides.
Having visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia, and having
traveled to Yugoslavia during the N.A.T.O. bombing, I have seen first-
hand the suffering of innocent people. Ethnic cleansing is evil, and we
are right to oppose it. But I cannot in good conscience deny my belief
that this conflict and the refugee crisis could have been avoided but
for the failure of our diplomatic efforts and our lack of foresight in
anticipting events.
Mr. Speaker, with all the suffering that has taken place, this is
time for solemn reflection, not celebration.
Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of the motion to
instruct conferees to commend the President and our troops for the
success of the air war over Yugoslavia.
By passing this amendment, we reaffirm Congress' support for our men
and women in the armed forces who carried out this vital mission, and
for their efforts to bring justice to a devastated region and send an
important message to Milosevic that his savage campaign of ethnic
cleansing will not be tolerated.
27 Reservists from the 103rd Air Control Squadron in Orange--part of
my District in Connecticut--volunteered to join our troops supporting
the NATO effort in Kosovo. I am proud of the dedication and bravery of
these men and women, and honored to have the opportunity to commend
them for the sacrifice they made to protect our nation and the values
it represents.
We must let our forces know of our prayers and our gratitude for
their efforts to counter aggression, end the misery, and foster peace.
Support the Motion to Instruct.
Mr. HAYES. Mr. Speaker, our airmen and soldiers deployed to Kosovo
executed their mission, albeit unclear, with swiftness and precision.
Thanks to them and the rigorous training they undertake daily, the
crisis in Kosovo is over. For this I, my colleagues, the American
people, and the ethnic Albanian of Kosovo are grateful, and as a member
of the Armed Services Committee, I'm proud to take any opportunity to
thank and honor them.
I cannot, however, support a motion that commends this Administration
for its role in the Kosovo conflict. How can we praise the
Administration for a mission that was never defined, an exit strategy
that was never communicated, and a failure to consult the Congress of
the United States? While I am glad that the violence in Kosovo has
ceased, I remain critical of the means which brought about the end. And
quite frankly, I believe the President should feel fortunate that we
appear to have at least temporarily resolved the conflict.
Mr. Speaker, the Administration never presented the Congress and the
American people with a clear outline of our goals in Kosovo. More
importantly, never were we provided with the leadership that the people
of our nation and of the entire free world have come to expect from the
United States.
Fortunately, our fighting forces prevailed and proved, once again,
that they are the finest in the world. But to suggest that they ended
the conflict in Kosovo because they
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were given a blueprint for victory is simply wrong.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without objection, the previous question is
ordered.
There was no objection.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion to instruct
offered by the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Skelton).
The question was taken, and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the noes appeared to have it.
Mr. ENGEL. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a
quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not
present.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without objection, the Chair will reduce to
5 minutes the vote on closing the conference that will immediately
follow the first vote on instructing conferees.
There was no objection.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 261,
nays 162, answered ``present'' 5, not voting 7, as follows:
[Roll No. 266]
YEAS--261
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baird
Baldacci
Baldwin
Barcia
Barrett (WI)
Becerra
Bentsen
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bilbray
Bishop
Bliley
Blumenauer
Boehlert
Bonior
Bono
Borski
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carson
Castle
Clay
Clayton
Clement
Clyburn
Costello
Coyne
Cramer
Crowley
Cummings
Danner
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (VA)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Deutsch
Dickey
Dicks
Dingell
Dixon
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Dreier
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Emerson
Engel
English
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Frank (MA)
Franks (NJ)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Ganske
Gejdenson
Gekas
Gephardt
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Gonzalez
Gordon
Greenwood
Gutierrez
Hall (OH)
Hastert
Hastings (FL)
Hill (IN)
Hilliard
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoeffel
Holden
Holt
Hooley
Horn
Houghton
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inslee
Isakson
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind (WI)
King (NY)
Kleczka
Klink
Kolbe
LaFalce
LaHood
Lampson
Lantos
Larson
Latham
LaTourette
Leach
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Luther
Maloney (CT)
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McHugh
McIntyre
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Mica
Millender-McDonald
Miller (FL)
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Minge
Mink
Moakley
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (KS)
Moran (VA)
Morella
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Northup
Nussle
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Phelps
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Quinn
Rahall
Ramstad
Rangel
Regula
Reyes
Rodriguez
Roemer
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sandlin
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Shaw
Shays
Sherman
Sherwood
Shows
Sisisky
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Spence
Spratt
Stabenow
Stenholm
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Thurman
Tierney
Towns
Traficant
Turner
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Walsh
Waters
Watt (NC)
Waxman
Weiner
Weller
Wexler
Weygand
Wise
Wolf
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Young (FL)
NAYS--162
Abercrombie
Aderholt
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baker
Ballenger
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Biggert
Bilirakis
Blunt
Boehner
Bonilla
Brady (TX)
Bryant
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Campbell
Canady
Cannon
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Coble
Coburn
Collins
Combest
Condit
Conyers
Cook
Cooksey
Crane
Cubin
Cunningham
Deal
DeLay
DeMint
Diaz-Balart
Doolittle
Duncan
Ehrlich
Everett
Ewing
Fletcher
Fowler
Gallegly
Goode
Goodlatte
Goodling
Goss
Graham
Granger
Green (WI)
Gutknecht
Hall (TX)
Hansen
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Herger
Hill (MT)
Hilleary
Hoekstra
Hostettler
Hunter
Istook
Jackson (IL)
Jenkins
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Kasich
Kelly
Kingston
Knollenberg
Kucinich
Kuykendall
Largent
Lazio
Lee
Lewis (KY)
Linder
LoBiondo
Lucas (OK)
Manzullo
McCrery
McInnis
McIntosh
McKeon
McKinney
Metcalf
Myrick
Nethercutt
Ney
Norwood
Ose
Oxley
Packard
Paul
Pease
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pickett
Pitts
Pombo
Radanovich
Reynolds
Riley
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roukema
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Salmon
Sanford
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaffer
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Skeen
Smith (MI)
Smith (TX)
Souder
Stark
Stearns
Stump
Sununu
Sweeney
Talent
Tancredo
Tauzin
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thune
Tiahrt
Toomey
Vitter
Walden
Wamp
Watkins
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson
Young (AK)
ANSWERED ``PRESENT''--5
Bateman
Bereuter
Blagojevich
Rivers
Rogan
NOT VOTING--7
Brown (CA)
Cox
Fossella
Gibbons
Green (TX)
Lipinski
Smith (NJ)
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Mr. McINTOSH and Mr. WATTS of Oklahoma changed their vote from
``yea'' to ``nay.''
Mr. McCOLLUM changed his vote from ``nay'' to ``yea.''
So the motion was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. LaHood). The Chair will appoint
conferees after the next motion.
Motion To Close Conference Committee Meeting On S. 1059, National
Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2000, When Classified
National Security Information is Under Consideration
Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to clause 12(a)(2) of House rule
XXII, I offer a motion.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the motion.
The Clerk read as follows:
Mr. Spence of South Carolina moves that the conference
committee meetings on the bill (S. 1059) be closed to the
public at such times as classified national security
information is under consideration, provided, however, that
any sitting Member of Congress shall have the right to attend
any closed or open meeting.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the
gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Spence).
Pursuant to clause 11 of rule XXII, this vote must be taken by the
yeas and nays.
This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 413,
nays 9, not voting 12, as follows:
[Roll No. 267]
YEAS--413
Ackerman
Aderholt
Allen
Andrews
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baird
Baker
Baldacci
Baldwin
Ballenger
Barcia
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Barrett (WI)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bateman
Becerra
Bentsen
Bereuter
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop
Blagojevich
Bliley
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonior
Bono
Borski
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Bryant
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Canady
Cannon
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carson
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Clay
Clayton
Clement
Clyburn
Coble
Coburn
Collins
Combest
Condit
Conyers
Cook
Cooksey
Costello
Cox
Coyne
Cramer
Crane
Crowley
Cubin
Cummings
Cunningham
Danner
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
Davis (VA)
Deal
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
DeLay
DeMint
Deutsch
Diaz-Balart
Dickey
Dicks
Dingell
Dixon
Doggett
Dooley
Doolittle
Doyle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Edwards
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Engel
English
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Everett
Ewing
Farr
Fattah
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Filner
Fletcher
Foley
Forbes
Ford
Fowler
Frank (MA)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gallegly
Ganske
Gejdenson
Gekas
Gephardt
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Gonzalez
Goode
Goodlatte
Goodling
Gordon
Goss
Graham
Granger
Green (WI)
Greenwood
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Hall (OH)
Hall (TX)
Hansen
Hastings (FL)
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Herger
Hill (IN)
Hill (MT)
Hilleary
Hilliard
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Hoeffel
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Hooley
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inslee
Isakson
Istook
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Jenkins
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, E. B.
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kasich
Kelly
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind (WI)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kleczka
Klink
Knollenberg
Kolbe
Kuykendall
LaFalce
LaHood
Lampson
Lantos
Largent
Latham
LaTourette
Lazio
Leach
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
LoBiondo
Lofgren
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Lucas (OK)
Luther
Maloney (CT)
Maloney (NY)
Manzullo
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McCrery
McDermott
McGovern
McHugh
McInnis
McIntosh
McIntyre
McKeon
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Metcalf
Mica
Millender-McDonald
Miller (FL)
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Minge
Mink
Moakley
Mollohan
Moore
Moran (KS)
Moran (VA)
Morella
Murtha
Myrick
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Nethercutt
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nussle
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Ose
Oxley
Packard
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pease
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Phelps
Pickering
Pickett
Pitts
Pombo
Pomeroy
Porter
Portman
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Quinn
Radanovich
Rahall
Ramstad
Rangel
Regula
Reyes
Reynolds
Riley
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roemer
Rogan
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Rothman
Roukema
Roybal-Allard
Royce
Rush
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sandlin
Sanford
Sawyer
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaffer
Schakowsky
Scott
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherman
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shows
Shuster
Simpson
Sisisky
Skeen
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Spence
Spratt
Stabenow
Stearns
Stenholm
Strickland
Stump
Stupak
Sununu
Sweeney
Talent
Tancredo
Tanner
Tauscher
Tauzin
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Thune
Thurman
Tiahrt
Tierney
Toomey
Towns
Traficant
Turner
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Vitter
Walden
Walsh
Wamp
Waters
Watkins
Watts (OK)
Waxman
Weiner
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Wexler
Weygand
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson
Wise
Wolf
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NAYS--9
Blumenauer
DeFazio
Kucinich
Lee
McKinney
Oberstar
Owens
Stark
Watt (NC)
NOT VOTING--12
Abercrombie
Brown (CA)
Emerson
Fossella
Franks (NJ)
Gibbons
Green (TX)
Larson
Lipinski
Salmon
Smith (MI)
Souder
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So the motion was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
Stated for:
Mr. LARSON. Mr. Speaker, on rollcall No. 267, a motion to close
portions of D.O.D. authorization conference, I was out of the Chamber
on legislative business. Had I been present, I would have voted
``Yea.''
(Mr. ARMEY asked and was given permission to speak out of order for 1
minute.)
Legislative Program
Mr. ARMEY. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce to my colleagues
that, pending completion of today's legislative business, we will be
adjourning for the Independence Day District Work period. Members will
be happy to know that the House will, therefore, not be in session
tomorrow. Please be advised that we expect votes to run late into the
evening. By completing our work tonight, Members will be able to return
home a day sooner than expected.
Mr. Speaker, I would furthermore like to notify Members that we will
be returning on Monday, July 12 at 12:30 p.m. for morning hour debates.
We will begin legislative business at 2 p.m., with no votes expected
until 6 p.m. There will be an official Whip notice distributed to
Members' offices next week outlining the legislative agenda.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without objection, the Chair appoints the
following conferees:
From the Committee on Armed Services, for consideration of the Senate
bill and the House amendment, and modifications committed to
conference: Messrs. Spence, Stump, Hunter, Bateman, Hansen, Weldon of
Pennsylvania, Hefley, Saxton, Buyer, Mrs. Fowler, Messrs. McHugh,
Talent, Everett, Bartlett of Maryland, McKeon, Watts of Oklahoma,
Thornberry, Hostettler, Chambliss, Hilleary, Skelton, Sisisky, Spratt,
Ortiz, Pickett, Evans, Taylor of Mississippi, Abercrombie, Meehan,
Underwood, Reyes, Turner, Ms. Sanchez, Mrs. Tauscher, Mr. Andrews and
Mr. Larson;
From the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, for
consideration of the matters within the jurisdiction of that committee
under clause 11 of rule X: Messrs. Goss, Lewis of California, and
Dixon;
From the Committee on Banking and Financial Services, for
consideration of section 1059 of the Senate bill and section 1409 of
the House bill, and modifications committed to conference: Messrs.
McCollum, Bachus, and LaFalce;
From the Committee on Commerce, for consideration of sections 326,
601, 602, 1049, 1050, 3151-53, 3155-65, 3173, 3175, 3176-78 of the
Senate bill, and sections 601, 602, 653, 3161, 3162, 3165, 3167, 3184,
3186, 3188, 3189, and 3191 of the House amendment, and modifications
committed to conference: Messrs. Bliley, Barton of Texas, and Dingell;
Provided that Mr. Bilirakis is appointed in lieu of Mr. Barton of
Texas for consideration of sections 326, 601, and 602 of the Senate
bill, and sections 601, 602, and 653 of the House amendment, and
modifications committed to conference.
Provided that Mr. Tauzin appointed in lieu of Mr. Barton of Texas for
consideration of sections 1049 and 1050 of the Senate bill, and
modifications committed to conference.
From the Committee on Education and the Workforce, for consideration
of sections 579 and 698 of the Senate bill, and sections 341, 343, 549,
567, and 673 of the House amendment, and modifications committed to
conference: Messrs. Goodling, Deal of Georgia, and Mrs. Mink of Hawaii.
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From the Committee on Government Reform, for consideration of
sections 538, 652, 654, 805-810, 1004, 1052-54, 1080, 1101-1107, 2831,
2862, 3160, 3161, 3163, and 3173 of the Senate bill, and sections 522,
524, 525, 661-64, 672, 802, 1101-05, 2802, and 3162 of the House
amendment, and modifications committed to conference: Messrs. Burton of
Indiana, Scarborough and Cummings;
Provided that Mr. Horn is appointed in lieu of Mr. Scarborough for
consideration of sections 538, 805-810, 1052-1054, 1080, 2831, 2862,
3160, and 3161 of the Senate bill and sections 802 and 2802 of the
House amendment.
From the Committee on International Relations, for consideration of
sections 1013, 1043, 1044, 1046, 1066, 1071, 1072, and 1083 of the
Senate bill, and sections 1202, 1206, 1301-1307, and 1404, 1407, 1408,
1411, and 1413 of the House amendment, and modifications committed to
conference: Messrs. Gilman, Bereuter, and Gejdenson.
From the Committee on the Judiciary, for consideration of sections
3156 and 3163 of the Senate bill and sections 3166 and 3194 of the
House amendment, and modifications committed to conference: Messrs.
Hyde, McCollum and Conyers.
From the Committee on Resources, for consideration of sections 601,
602, 695, 2833, and 2861 of the Senate bill, and sections 365, 601,
602, 653, 654, and 2863 of the House amendment, and modifications
committed to conference: Messrs. Young of Alaska, Tauzin and George
Miller of California.
From the Committee on Science, for consideration of sections 1049,
3151-53, and 3155-65 of the Senate bill, and sections 3167, 3170, 3184,
3188-90, and 3191 of the House amendment, and modifications committed
to conference: Messrs.
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Sensenbrenner, Calvert and Costello.
From the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, for
consideration of sections 601, 602, 1060, 1079, and 1080 of the Senate
bill, and sections 361, 601, 602, and 3404 of the House amendment, and
modifications committed to conference: Messrs. Shuster, Gilchrest and
DeFazio.
From the Committee on Veterans' Affairs, for consideration of
sections 671-75, 681, 682, 696, 697, 1062, and 1066 of the Senate bill,
and modifications committed to conference: Messrs. Bilirakis, Quinn and
Filner.
There was no objection.
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