[Congressional Record Volume 145, Number 27 (Monday, February 22, 1999)]
[Senate]
[Pages S1679-S1682]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
THE SENATE PROCESS AND FEDERAL BUDGET SURPLUSES
Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, I think you can hear a collective sigh of
relief around the Capitol Building now that the impeachment trial--only
the second in the history of our country--is complete and we can turn
our thoughts to other issues, turn our energies to other enterprises.
Most of us seek election to the U.S. Senate--whether it be from West
Virginia or North Dakota or Arizona--because we feel passionately about
public issues. And there are many, many public issues--both here at
home and around the world--that should and will command our attention.
Recently I told my colleagues a short story about Teddy Roosevelt. I
want to talk today about a couple of issues, and it is probably
appropriate to start with Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt lost both
his wife and his mother on the same day in different rooms of his home.
And he was so stricken with grief that he decided to do something
different with his life. He decided to go west for some while and see
if he could find himself again.
Teddy Roosevelt had some resources, so when he made his decision to
go west, he decided to go to the Badlands of North Dakota. He knew that
in the Badlands there were cowboys, and so, I am told, he went to
Brooks Brothers and ordered a cowboy suit to be made for him. And
Brooks Brothers made a cowboy suit for Teddy Roosevelt. He got a bowie
knife, a sterling silver bowie knife with an ivory handle, I
understand, that had his name on it, and it said ``Tiffany's.'' He
bought it at Tiffany's. And he got silver spurs, and on the rowel of
each spur were engraved his initials.
So when the train stopped in North Dakota for Teddy Roosevelt to
disembark, to go to live in the Badlands and raise horses and cattle,
this fellow stepped off the train wearing his Brooks Brothers cowboy
suit and a pair of rimless glasses, with his bowie knife from
``Tiffany's,'' and his sterling silver engraved spurs.
The cowboys in the Badlands thought, ``What on Earth has landed here
in Medora, ND''--this man they called four-eyes, with his rimless
glasses and his funny Brooks Brothers cowboy suit and his sterling
silver spurs. They made fun of him, poked fun at the way he looked. And
then, as the story goes, in the Badlands saloon in Medora, ND, one
unlucky cowboy goaded him too far and wanted to pick a fight with him.
It took only a matter of minutes, apparently, for this rather unusual
looking character from the East, with his Brooks Brothers cowboy suit,
to knock this local cowboy senseless in the Badlands saloon. Then the
rest of the cowboys had a different impression of this fellow. Yes, he
looked a little different, but he had some real mettle. They knew a
little something about him. And Teddy Roosevelt, of course, went on to
carve a rather rich chapter of his life ranching in the Badlands of
North Dakota.
I told my colleagues that story some while ago because we are all
kind of different. We gather here in the U.S. Senate, 100 of us, coming
from different parts of the country with different philosophies. We
even dress differently from time to time. And so we come to this place,
this place of debate in our democracy, from all kinds of different
perspectives. But we respect each other. We do not make fun of each
other. We know that each arrives here with a passion and a mission on
behalf of those who sent us here to do the best we can for this
country.
We do not settle our disputes with saloon fights. We do it through
debate.
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We respect the other person's view. We might disagree with it in a
very aggressive way, but we respect each other. And through the process
of public debate, the give and take, the process of democracy works.
Now we turn our attention from an impeachment trial, which I think
was difficult for every single Member of this Senate and for the
country, to other issues--health care, a Patients' Bill of Rights;
education and how we improve our schools; what we do to strengthen
Social Security and Medicare; and more.
There are two enduring truths about the last quarter century for
everyone who serves in the Senate. One is that we have experienced a
cold war that consumed a substantial amount of our energy, time, and
resources; the second is that we have had crippling Federal budget
deficits. Both of those enduring truths have now changed. The cold war
is over and the Federal deficits are no more. The Soviet Union is gone,
the cold war is over. That changes a great deal of our international
issues and attention. The crippling Federal budget deficits that used
to grow year after year are gone and we now see predictions and
projections that year after year we will experience Federal budget
surpluses.
Since those two enduring truths have changed, I want to focus on one
aspect of them today, and that is the reason I came to the Senate
floor. We have people who now say that because the Federal budget
deficits are going to turn into Federal budget surpluses, let us very
quickly propose returning $500 or $600 billion in tax cuts to the
American people over the next 10 years.
I want to talk about the merit of that. It would be a tragic mistake,
in my judgment, for this Congress to decide that--at the first sight of
budget surpluses, after a long, dark period of mushrooming Federal
budget deficits that have accumulated to a $5.5 trillion Federal debt--
we should try to outbid each other on who can return more tax money to
the American taxpayer.
I think the greatest gift that we could give to America's children
would be to decide that when we turn the corner and experience real
budget surpluses, we begin during good times to reduce the Federal
debt. There can be no greater gift to America's children than for us,
during good economic times, to begin reducing the crushing Federal
debt. That debt, as I said, stands at $5.5 trillion.
I have a chart that shows what kind of surpluses we are expected to
experience over the next 10 years, recognizing of course that none of
us can know with certainty what will happen next week, next month, or
next year. The budget surplus, which is the top line of this chart--and
these figures came from the Congressional Budget Office--amounts to
more than $2.5 trillion over 10 years. That doesn't mean very much to
me because that is not a real surplus. It is a surplus that is made
possible by the use of the Social Security trust funds which, in my
judgment, cannot be used to calculate a budget surplus. The second line
of the chart calculates what happens to our surplus if you take the
Social Security trust funds and set it aside--which ought to be done--
for the purpose of saving it for the time when it is needed as the baby
boomers will retire. The real surplus, then, begins in the year 2001.
In 1993, when President Clinton took office, he inherited a budget
deficit that year of about $300 billion. That has turned around
dramatically. We have in this country experienced wonderful news with
an improving economic outlook in this country. So we have gone from
about a $300 billion deficit to a $7 billion deficit in the upcoming
fiscal year--almost a balanced budget. The next year the budget will be
in balance, even without counting Social Security trust funds, and that
is the prediction for every year thereafter for the following eight
years.
The question is, What do we do as a result of that? We have people
rushing through the door saying, let me propose a $650 billion income
tax cut. Some say a 10-percent across-the-board income tax cut. Aside
from the merits on that issue, I happen to think that the crushing tax
burden is not the income tax, but the increasing payroll taxes that
American workers have had to pay. Most working families in this country
pay more in payroll taxes than they pay in Federal income taxes.
My point is this: As we begin to construct a new fiscal policy rooted
with the understanding that we no longer face crippling budget
deficits, let us start to think about our priorities. The easy politics
would be to say, let's just give a lot of tax cuts, let's talk about
across-the-board tax cuts. But a much more responsible approach, in my
judgment, would be to say during good economic times it is required for
us to begin the long process of reducing the Federal debt. Now, if that
is a priority--and I hope it will be for the majority of the Members of
the Senate, reducing America's debt during good economic times--that
should be, in my judgment, complemented by our understanding that the
Social Security system also needs shoring up. We must reserve some of
our projected surplus to make that system whole and well and solvent
for the long term.
I want to make a point about Social Security because some people
wring their hands and gnash their teeth because of the problems we have
with Social Security. These are not big problems. The Social Security
problem--to the extent there is one--is born of success. One hundred
years ago, you were expected to live to age 48 in this country; today,
the life expectancy is almost 78. We have increased life expectancy by
30 years. People live longer and better lives for a lot of reasons.
That is success. Does that cause some strain to the Social Security
system? Of course it does, but it is born of success. And let us not
wring our hands about that. We can easily resolve these issues.
Third, in addition to reducing the Federal debt during good economic
times with this budget surplus and making certain that we are
responsible for making Social Security solvent for the long term, the
proposal that the President and some others have offered, to use any
additional tax cuts outside of that for the purpose of providing
incentive for savings, makes a lot of sense to me. Encouraging personal
private savings in this country, which the President proposed through
USA accounts--and there are other approaches--seems to me to make a lot
of sense in terms of creating the foundation for long-term, solid
economic growth for the next two, three and four decades.
Having said all that, let me make this point: We in this country have
the strongest economy in the world right now. I studied economics in
college and then I taught economics in college very briefly. That
experience hasn't hindered me, but nonetheless I taught some economics.
One of the things you teach in economics is that there are two
principles you strive to achieve in an economy--stable prices and full
employment.
In our country's current economy, we have virtually no inflation and
we have nearly full employment. And we--at a time when the Asian
economy is weak, when the Russian economy has collapsed, when the
Brazilian economy is weak--have the strongest economy in the world. Is
it by accident? I don't think so. I don't happen to think that
Republicans or Democrats have the answer either. It is not as if,
somewhere down in the engine room of this ship of state, there is an
engine with dials and knobs and a lever, and if we can just find the
right dials and knobs and levers to pull and push, the right amount of
tax cuts, the right amount of spending, the right amount of M1, that
somehow the ship of state will do fine. I don't happen to think the
engine room works that way.
Economies have everything to do with the confidence of the people.
When people are confident about the future, they make individual
decisions such as: I will buy a car; I will buy a house; I will make
this investment because I am confident about the future. They make
those kinds of decisions based on their confidence. That creates the
foundation for an economy.
When people are not confident about the future, they say, I will not
make that purchase; I will defer buying an automobile; I will defer
buying this home because I am not so confident about the future.
So it is the confidence of the people upon which this economy rests.
All of the indices show the American people are confident about the
future because the President and the Congress together--I am talking
about all Members of the Congress coming together--
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have made some good decisions in recent years, decisions that say
deficits matter, and we are going to tame them.
That isn't to say that we shouldn't continue to invest--even as we
tame the Federal budget deficits. We are going to invest in the kinds
of things that will make this a bigger, better, stronger country. We
had, as the Senator from West Virginia will recall, a vigorous debate
in the last Congress about a highway bill. Some around here were just
wringing their hands about the amount of money we were going to spend
on highways.
The money that we are going to spend on highways, coming from the
gasoline tax collected at the gas pump when people fill up their cars
with gasoline, is going to go into improving America's infrastructure--
building roads, repairing bridges, and generally making us a better
country. It is an investment in our country, just as it is an
investment in young people to improve schools. It is an investment in
our future. Ben Franklin once said, ``Anyone who puts their purse in
their head will never lose their purse.'' That is what education is
about. Education is an investment in our children.
We have made a lot of thoughtful decisions in the last 6 or 8 years;
frankly, it can go well beyond that. We can go back to the 1950s when
we talk about roads and think of the decision that President Eisenhower
and the Republicans and Democrats in Congress made about an interstate
highway system. You could ask yourself, could anybody in this country
justify building a four-lane interstate between Fargo, ND, and Beach,
ND, all those hundreds of miles where there aren't a great deal of
people? You could have had one of the watchdog organizations pull that
apart in the fifties and say, ``Look what they are spending where not
many people are living.'' But President Eisenhower and Congress said
that we are going to link this country together with the interstate
highway system. Transportation is universal.
We have done a lot of good things, and a lot is left to be done. As
we deal with fiscal policy and especially with the question of tax cuts
and budget surpluses, I hope we can make thoughtful and good decisions
for the long-term future of this country. I think very strongly that
the first priority is for us, during good economic times, to reduce the
Federal debt. The second priority is to say we owe it to the Social
Security system to make it whole. The third priority says let's
encourage private savings through tax cuts because that strengthens
America in the future as well.
Mr. BYRD. Will the distinguished Senator yield?
Mr. DORGAN. Of course.
Mr. BYRD. Mr. President, I thank the distinguished Senator for his
comments. They are timely and they are very persuasive to me. I join
with him in expressing hope that we will apply these surpluses to
reducing the national debt--after, of course, shoring up Social
Security. And we have to think of Medicare, also.
I have been in politics now 53 years. The easiest vote that I ever
cast was a vote to cut taxes. It didn't require any courage on my part.
And likewise, one of the most difficult votes is a vote to increase
taxes. We have to do that from time to time.
Now, if Congress passes legislation to provide for tax cuts --and
there may be some areas of tax cuts that I can very well support--but
generally speaking, if we do, of course, the legislation that Congress
enacts to do that would be permanent legislation, will it not, until
changed? So if after a while--not 10 years hence, as the distinguished
Senator has shown on his graph, but 5 years hence, or 4 years hence, 3
years hence--we hit upon hard times, then what? Would the reduced taxes
continue, unless Congress legislated to increase them again? Would
they, may I ask the Senator?
Mr. DORGAN. The answer, I say, to that is once you change the Tax
Code, that change is generally permanent unless altered. We have had
the experience before of a very aggressive appetite to reduce taxes,
only to discover that we run into a recession, experience very
significant Federal budget deficits, and then the confidence of the
people about the future tends to erode and you have a further economic
contraction.
I say to the Senator from West Virginia, one of the things that I
think is very important is to the extent that there would be tax cuts
following a reduction in Federal debt and shoring up Social Security, I
hope that it will be triggered by the actual experience of the surplus.
If you don't have a mechanism to trigger the tax cuts, what will happen
ultimately will be an economic slowdown--nobody has repealed the
business cycle--and experience significant budget deficits.
Mr. BYRD. Then it would be incumbent upon us to make difficult
decisions and act to increase the revenue again.
Well, I join with the Senator. I think he performs a great service in
calling to our attention and to the attention of the American people
the options we face. I hope that Congress will think long and carefully
about what we do. We are in a happy situation, but who knows how long
the situation will remain happy. I see Alan Greenspan down in that
engine room, and he is entitled to a good many compliments from all of
us for the good work that he has done, the vision that he has
displayed. But I join with the Senator and I hope he will help to lead
us as we move forward in the coming days and use his good economics. I
think I had about one semester of economics when I was in high school,
and that is about it. But the Senator from North Dakota has had
excellent training, a fine education in that field. I am going to
continue to listen to him and look to him for leadership as we go
forward. I thank him very much.
Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, I thank the Senator from West Virginia. I
raise this issue today only because it will be one of perhaps five or
six significant issues we will debate in the coming months. I do not
think that my idea is exclusively good and that there are no other good
ideas out there. I have great respect for others here who might
disagree strongly with my view on these issues. I want to, as we begin
this debate, at least stake out the ground that some of us would feel
strongly about--debt reduction and other responsible actions in fiscal
policy.
I look forward to this. This has been a tough 6 or 7 weeks as we have
started this session because of the impeachment trial. Most of us come
here relishing the idea and fostering the appetite for debate about the
public issues that really matter to this country in economics, health
care, and education. So I look forward to it in the coming days and
weeks.
Mr. BYRD. Mr. President, will the Senator yield?
Mr. DORGAN. Yes.
Mr. BYRD. I don't want to prolong this, but would he respond to this
question: How do our massive trade deficits play into this whole
equation?
Mr. DORGAN. Well, as the Senator knows, I have felt very strongly
about our trade deficits. The one area of our economic performance that
is very troubling is the area of trade indebtedness that continues now
to mushroom. In fact, just in the last week, we saw an announcement
that we have experienced the largest trade deficit in the country's
history. I am particularly concerned about our merchandise deficits,
because that reflects the deficits in terms of the goods that you
produce, not services and because it is an indicator of the health of
the manufacturing economy.
I don't think you can remain a world economic power unless you have a
vibrant, strong manufacturing sector. I am very concerned about the
trade deficits, and I have spent a great deal of time talking to our
Trade Ambassador and this administration.
I think our trade policies need adjustment. It is not that I don't
believe we shouldn't have expanded trade around the world; of course we
should. But this country needs to stand up for its own economic
interests in a thoughtful and useful way. We need to stand up for our
interests with respect to the Chinese, the Japanese, the Europeans, and
others to say that our market is open to your goods, it is wide open,
but only on the condition that trade between our country and yours is
fair.
During the first 25 years after the Second World War, we could have
foreign policy masquerading as trade policy, or the reverse, and we
could beat anybody on the globe in international trade with one hand
tied behind our
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back. But that has changed. We face formidable competitors in
international trade. And the corporations who do the business around
this world now separate themselves from nationalist interests, and they
are simply interested in finding out where they can produce the
cheapest and where they can sell for the best price. Often that
mismatch means you can produce more cheaply if you find a Third World
country in which you can produce and dump chemicals into the streams,
pollutants into the air, and pay kids 14 cents an hour. You don't have
all of the encumbrances you have producing in an industrialized
country. You can produce whatever it is you are producing and ship it
to Chicago, Pittsburgh, Charleston or Fargo.
The dilemma of all of that is the bifurcation of production and the
means to purchase, which creates this trade deficit between countries.
The trade deficit is a very serious economic problem. It is one of the
few blemishes that exists on this complexion of good economic news. And
we must begin to address it. I know that most people want to ignore it.
They don't want to talk about it.
Interestingly enough, some of the economists in this town have always
said that NAFTA and free trade are good. They said, ``You know, our
trade deficit is just a function of fiscal policy deficits. You won't
have a trade deficit if you ever get the budget balanced.'' Guess what
has happened? We have gotten the deficit under control and our trade
deficits are still mushrooming. I really should, as a public service,
rewrite the textbook, because the answers are now apparently wrong. In
fact, we should get their names--some of the best economists in time
who have said that--and I should get their quotes and bring them to the
floor.
So those are the things that we need to have a thoughtful discussion
about.
I appreciate the Senator from West Virginia raising the issue. He and
I coauthored a piece of legislation, which is now law, that created a
trade deficit review commission. It is my hope that the commission will
soon begin meeting and sift through all of these policy areas and
hopefully make recommendations to Congress in an expeditious way to
allow us to get some new ideas and some new energy and new perspectives
on this very critical issue. The commitment of the Senator from West
Virginia, Senator Byrd, to passing that trade deficit review commission
legislation--which is, as I said, now law--is very important and very
helpful to this country.
Mr. President, I yield the floor. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. BYRD. Mr. President, I thank the able Senator for responding to
my questions.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
The bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. KYL. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for
the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Voinovich). Without objection, it is so
ordered.
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