[Congressional Record Volume 144, Number 136 (Friday, October 2, 1998)]
[House]
[Pages H9282-H9288]
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      RULE ON LABOR-HHS APPROPRIATIONS BILL SHOULD NOT BE ADOPTED

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 7, 1997, the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) is recognized 
for 40 minutes as the designee of the minority leader, without 
prejudice to the presumption of business.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I am taking this special order because earlier 
today, without notice to anyone on our side of the aisle, the House 
considered the rule under which the Labor, Health, Education 
appropriations bill would be brought to the floor. I believe that that 
issue should be discussed before the House votes, because I think it is 
ridiculous for any Member of this House to vote for a rule that makes 
this bill in order.
  I want to make clear, first of all, that the bill this rule would 
make in order is going absolutely nowhere. The bill that comes to the 
floor makes huge reductions in education, in job training, in a number 
of health programs that both parties claim that they are for. And yet 
at the very time that we are supposed to be debating this bill, the 
conferees, the lead conferees, have already been meeting in Senator 
Specter's office yesterday, and I participated in those meetings for 
over 3 hours.
  We are in the process of putting together a different bill, which 
will be at least $3 billion above the bill being brought to the floor 
and, in my judgment, considerably above that level before we are done. 
So this is a sham bill. If it is brought up it will be merely to take 
up time that would more usefully be used for other purposes.
  Secondly, I would point out that if this rule is adopted, a vote for 
this rule will simply be an endorsement for a bill that fails our 
children and hurts workers to an extreme degree. This bill, for 
instance, eliminates the Low Income Heating Assistance Program, which 
is the key program that helps low-income seniors avoid having to choose 
between heating their houses and eating. This bill would eliminate the 
summer jobs program that gives some young people in this country their 
first experience at dealing with the world of work.
  This bill slashes the President's request for new funding for after-
school centers to try to give young people a useful place to go, 
recognizing that the vast majority of juvenile crime occurs in after-
school hours, and many times before parents get home and can have a 
place for their kids to come home to. It cuts reading and math help for 
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Title I kids below the President's budget. It denies anti-drug 
coordinators for 6,500 middle schools with the worst drug and violence 
problems. It block grants, and then cuts by $300 million, Eisenhower 
teacher training programs and Goals 2000 programs. It cuts OSHA 
workplace safety enforcement and undermines worker protections. It does 
absolutely nothing to lower class size in the first three grades, one 
of the President's top initiatives.
  So, in my view, there is absolutely no substantive reason to bring 
this bill to the floor, because this bill is so bad and guts so many 
national priorities that even the Republican allies of House Members on 
the other side of the Capitol, in the Senate, recognize that this bill 
is so extreme that they will not even bring it to the Senate floor for 
a vote.
  So a vote for this rule today is a vote for extremism on these 
issues. It will be taken seriously by nobody because this bill is going 
nowhere. It is a simple waste of our time.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield to the distinguished gentlewoman from New York 
(Mrs. Lowey).
  Mrs. LOWEY. Mr. Speaker, last year I was proud to stand on the House 
floor and work hard with our distinguished chairman, the gentleman from 
Illinois (Mr. John Porter), to pass a bipartisan Labor, HHS, Education 
spending bill. I am disappointed and sad this year, however, that the 
bill has become a partisan vehicle to satisfy the right wing of the 
Republican Party. While the bill contains very necessary increases in 
certain health programs such as the NIH, I must reluctantly urge my 
colleagues to vote against the rule and final passage.
  We must defeat the rule before us today because it protects anti-
worker provisions while at the same time denies the House a clean, fair 
vote on family planning. The rule also fails to protect another key 
women's health provision which would have given women in HMOs direct 
access to their OB-GYN. This OB-GYN provision is in the bipartisan and 
Republican managed care bills which have stalled. By failing to protect 
it from a point of order, the leadership is sacrificing a valuable 
opportunity to enact this provision into law.
  The rule reported out last night allows family planning opponents an 
opportunity to offer a second degree to the Greenwood-Castle 
substitute. Those of us who support family planning sought and were 
entitled to receive a clean up or down vote on the Greenwood-Castle 
substitute.
  The bill contains the same language restricting teenagers' access to 
Title X family planning services which was defeated on the House floor 
last year. This parental consent restriction will deny vulnerable teens 
the contraceptive services they need to avoid pregnancy, HIV and STDs.
  Last year's attack on the Title X program failed because a majority 
of Members understood that denying teens' access to family planning 
does not promote abstinence. I only wish it were that simple. Instead, 
it increases STDs and HIV infections, unintended pregnancies and 
abortions.
  The bill also shortchanges students who are hoping to pursue the 
American dream. Everyone in this Chamber understands that a college 
education is as necessary today as a high school education was just a 
generation ago.
  In April the House overwhelmingly passed a Higher Education Act bill 
that increases and expands Pell Grants, preserving the Perkins Loan, 
SSIG, TRIO and SEOG programs. Only four Members of Congress voted 
against this bill.
  Fast forward, and we have before us a bill that provides additional 
funding to strengthen Pell and TRIO programs. At the same time, 
however, the bill eliminates SSIG and provides no capital contributions 
to Perkins.
  Three-quarters of a million low-income students depend on the Perkins 
program, including 60,000 New Yorkers. Nearly all of them come from 
families with incomes of $50,000 or below. These families need more, 
not less, to send their kids to college and to reach for the dream.
  I am equally concerned about the elimination of the SSIG program. 
This program serves needy students, not affluent ones. My colleagues, 
we have a strong economy but too many people are shut out.
  This is the time to invest in education, not cut back.
  The bill also cuts funding to senior programs by $10 million. Funds 
that are used to prevent elder abuse, help families locate long-term 
care, and provide pension counseling have been zeroed out. These cuts 
are unnecessary and destructive.
  The bill also grossly underfunds the National Labor Relations Board 
which is already stretched to the breaking point. This independent law 
enforcement agency was created to carry out a vital law of this land. 
Without this law and the Board which oversees it, labor disputes 
between private employers and employees would grow out of control. 
Productivity in our nation's workplaces would plummet dramatically.
  My colleagues, the NIH increases in this bill should be applauded. 
However, on balance the bill severely shortchanges education, our 
seniors and hard-working Americans. We can and must do better.
  Let us vote down this rule and come back with a bill that reflects 
our values, our priorities.

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  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the distinguished gentlewoman from 
Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
  Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. 
Obey) for arranging for us to have this opportunity to talk about the 
Labor-Health and Human Services-Education bill. I want to voice my 
strong opposition to this rule and to this bill.
  The Labor-Health and Human Services-Education appropriations bill has 
always been known as the people's bill, the bill that reflects our 
priorities as a Nation. Unfortunately, this bill funds only a few 
important programs at the expense of education and job training for 
some of our neediest citizens. And while I am pleased that we are 
increasing our much-needed investment in biomedical research, we cannot 
do so at the expense of the most vulnerable members of our country.
  There are so many problems in this bill, I do not think I can cover 
them in the short time that I have. Let me just give my colleagues a 
couple of examples.
  It eliminates LIHEAP, the low-income heating energy assistance 
program that provides heating assistance to low-income seniors, 
including more than 75,000 families in my State of Connecticut. Across 
the Nation, millions of seniors and families with small children depend 
on this program to pay their heating bills in the coldest months of the 
winter. Without this kind of assistance, many will be forced to choose 
between heating their homes and buying the food and the medicine that 
they need to stay healthy.
  This bill wipes out summer jobs which provide career opportunities 
for disadvantaged youth, including more than 4,000 young people in my 
State. I visited a summer jobs program in West Haven, Connecticut. The 
students there use the money they earn to help their parents pay the 
bills. It is an opportunity for them to learn skills that will help 
them in the future.
  I understand that there will be a token amendment to put small 
amounts of money into LIHEAP and summer jobs. We need more than tokens. 
These are investments which in the long run pay off.
  This bill also cuts $2 billion out of the President's education 
initiatives. It cuts Goals 2000, the Technology Literacy Challenge 
Fund, Title I grants, Eisenhower Professional Development State Grants, 
Safe and Drug Free Schools. Cutting these programs means fewer teachers 
will have access to training programs, fewer students will have access 
to computers in their schools, and fewer districts will receive grants 
to help their students achieve high standards.
  I urge my colleagues to vote against this rule, vote against the 
bill. Let us go back and draft legislation that makes a strong 
investment in education and other programs that our families depend on.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, could I ask how much time I have remaining?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). The gentleman from Wisconsin 
(Mr. Obey) has 30 minutes remaining.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the gentleman 
from Illinois (Mr. Porter) be allowed to allocate 15 minutes of the 30 
minutes remaining.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. This is with the concurrence of the Minority

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Leader, and the gentleman from Wisconsin must remain on the floor. Is 
there objection to the request of the gentleman from Wisconsin?
  There was no objection.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. 
Rodriguez).
  Mr. RODRIGUEZ. Mr. Speaker, this particular bill is an attack on our 
educational system in the country. At a time when we should be 
concentrating on making sure that we take care of our youngsters, at 
the present time this particular bill will cut $160 million from the 
administration's proposal on Head Start, at a time when we need those 
resources to assure that those youngsters have that Head Start in order 
to be able to start at school.
  This particular piece of legislation cuts the funding for bilingual 
education by $25 million. This is not the time to be doing this kind of 
activity, and we should be moving forward.
  This particular piece of legislation also denies $237 million sought 
by the administration for three higher education initiatives, including 
the High Hopes initiatives that would have provided new funds for 
mentoring, tutoring, college and various other programs.
  One of the other things that this particular bill does is hit at the 
most important aspect in education, that is, after-school learning 
programs. It cuts $140 million below the administration's request in 
denying over 3,000 communities the opportunity to be able to provide 
after-school programs.
  Again, Mr. Speaker, I ask that we look seriously and we reconsider 
what we are doing with this particular piece of legislation. I would 
ask that we vote against this particular rule.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from West Virginia 
(Mr. Rahall).
  Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. 
Obey), the distinguished ranking member of the Committee on 
Appropriations, for taking this special order to allow us to debate 
this most important bill, as it may be the only time, likely will be 
the only time we will have to debate this issue.
  I rise in opposition to the rule and the bill because of its threat 
to the health and safety and welfare of our coal miners who are 
suffering from the crippling disease known as pneumonoconiosis or black 
lung.
  Over the history of the Appalachian coal fields, we have seen many 
atrocities invoked among our coal miners. Even today, we are left with 
a legacy of abandoned coal mine lands and abandoned coal miners. 
Indeed, as it stands now, we are now experiencing less than a 10 
percent approval rate on claims for black lung benefits, even after the 
appeals, and this figure does not attest to any unreasonable and 
unbiased comportment of the facts.
  We have seen delays in the promulgation of new rules as proposed by 
the Department of Labor, for which I highly commend them. Yet there is 
a provision in this legislation that constitutes a vicious assault on 
black lung victims. This provision, while falling short of placing an 
outright moratorium on the promulgation of these rules by the 
Department of Labor, does seek to create further delays and place 
roadblocks in the way of the publication of the new rules.
  I, therefore, urge defeat of this legislation.
  Recognizing this, on January 22, 1997, the Labor Department proposed 
rules aimed at making the black lung program more receptive to the 
thousands of miners, their widows and families who are being victimized 
by the current procedures. Public comment opportunities were extensive, 
including two lengthy hearings during the summer of 1997. Yet, today, 
final rules have yet to be promulgated.
  This delay is of concern. Even more troubling is a provision 
contained in H.R. 4274 which constitutes a vicious assault on black 
lung victims.
  Specifically, instead of allowing the Labor Department to proceed 
with this rulemaking under those laws normally applicable to the 
promulgation of Federal regulations, the provision forbids the rule 
from being finalized until certain certifications are made by SBA and 
OMB. Under current law, SBA is to be consulted but has no 
``certification'' role. Further, after these so-called certifications, 
the provision requires an additional 60-day comment period.
  I would submit that these proposed rules have now been published for 
almost 1 year and 9 months. That is ample time for review and comment. 
There is simply no need for this provision except as a delaying tactic 
aimed at killing this rulemaking. And let us be perfectly clear. 
Further delay is the death knell for those coal miners seeking the 
benefits they so justly deserve under this program.
  Coal miners have suffered enough without being subjected to this type 
of abuse. For my part, I will not stand idle during consideration of 
amendments to this bill and will seek to strike this onerous provision.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the distinguished gentleman from 
Massachusetts (Mr. Tierney).
  Mr. TIERNEY. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. 
Obey) for yielding.
  In 2 minutes it is difficult to speak fully to this particular rule 
and to the bill that underlies it. But let me just say that I thought 
we all came here to Congress understanding what the needs and concerns 
were of our various constituents.
  Fundamental among them was a good educational background for all of 
our students, the opportunity to rise no matter what their situation in 
life or their family situation; an ability to help people in the 
workplace, to make sure that if they were displaced or if they were 
just entering the market, that they would have the skills and the 
education they need to succeed.
  All of these things are fundamental to this particular bill that 
underlies this rule. And yet, I think very unwisely, we are cutting 
program after program that are necessities.
  The School to Work Program, important in my district, helps work-
based learning experiences for high school students. Yet this bill will 
cut $250 million or up to 63 percent of that program. How are students 
supposed to understand the connection between what they learn in the 
classroom and what their opportunities in life are without programs 
like this?
  We try to encourage college participation. Yet we are going to cut, 
through this bill, if the majority has its way, substantial funds, 
making sure 120,000 deserving postsecondary students do not get campus-
based low interest loans.
  At a time when all people believe that teachers have to have more 
development and more training for their skills and work in the 
classroom, this would not only block grant Eisenhower but do what most 
block grants do, eventually end up defunding that particular program. 
One hundred thousand teachers will be without the training they need to 
educate our children.
  Literacy, an issue where there has been considerable time spent in my 
district developing so that this cycle of illiteracy does not continue, 
is attacked in this bill. The America Reads program is entirely 
eliminated.
  After-school learning programs, as we talk about getting children off 
the streets to continue their learning during the day, to have 
supervision, is attacked in this bill.
  Head Start, a tremendously successful program helping children get 
the nutrition and the learning skills and the societal skills they need 
to do well, to hold their grade level, to improve their IQ and to 
succeed in school, is being cut.
  College work-study programs, students that are trying hard and 
desperately to work their way through school, to contribute in that 
way, is cut in this program; and technologies and so on.
  I think we are making a serious mistake here. I urge Members to vote 
against the rule and against the bill in its current form.
  Mr. PORTER. Mr. Speaker, while this technically is a special order 
that the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) has called, it really 
amounts to general debate on the bill, and it has given an opportunity 
for many on the opposite side to demagogue the funding levels in the 
bill.
  Let me respond to all of them at the same time. A year ago, the 
President and the Congress came to an agreement to work over a 5-year 
period to bring the budget into balance. As part of that agreement, the 
President insisted that the funding in areas that were of priorities to 
the White House be increased in the first year, and that was done.
  The bill funding the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, 
and Education was increased by $5 billion last year, and many of the 
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and many others were increased very substantially, and I supported 
that. We passed that bill on the House floor overwhelmingly.
  The second year and the outyears of the agreement called for fiscal 
restraint on discretionary spending. The spending levels were agreed to 
by the White House and by the Congress together, and the allocations 
that were given to our subcommittee and others this year reflected the 
caps on spending that were necessary to help bring the budget into 
balance.
  So when we marked up this bill in subcommittee and in full committee, 
we operated under the budget caps that restrained spending very 
significantly. In fact, we had to work with $500 million less in 
outlays than we had in the past fiscal year. So our job was a tough job 
and we approached it, I think, responsibly.
  The Senate, when they marked up their bill in subcommittee and full 
committee, were not held to the same restraints. They used $4 billion 
of forward funding so that their numbers appear higher. I am very proud 
that our subcommittee and our full committee approached their job 
differently and lived within the budget caps. We did what we are 
charged to do as appropriators: look at every single program and decide 
which ones are the best ones, those most deserving of funding, and 
provide for those. Conversely, those that are less effective and less 
needed are cut.
  What did we do? Well, we increased biomedical research with a 9 
percent increase, even with less money to work with. We gave a 
substantial increase to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 
public health. We increased up the Job Corps, a very effective program 
for the very poorest and most at-risk youth in our society. We 
increased Pell grants for needy college students. We increased the TRIO 
Program that serves many minority students and others in need in our 
country. Trio is a very important college program that gives an 
opportunity to people who would not otherwise have it.
  We plussed up community health centers who help needy Americans with 
health care. We gave more money to impact aid, a Federal obligation to 
assist communities and schools that are impacted by Federal facilities. 
We gave a very substantial increase to special education, IDEA, that 
helps local school districts cope with the problems of disabled 
students.
  We gave more money for the health professions so that young people 
could be trained as health professionals and receive help in their 
education. We gave more money for Ryan White AIDS treatment because we 
know of the need in that area. We plussed up the substance abuse block 
grant so that we can work harder to solve our drug abuse problems in 
this country.
  These may not be the priorities on the minority's side of the aisle, 
but these are some of the priorities on our side of the aisle, and we 
did them within the budget caps that we have to live under.

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  Now, the gentleman from Wisconsin asked, a moment ago, for what 
purpose do we take up this bill? Well, let me say that the purpose is 
democracy. The purpose is to give the House a chance to shape a bill 
that ultimately the House is going to be responsible for.
  Sure, he and I and our Senate counterparts can sit down alone and we 
can work out the numbers and we do not have to listen to anyone else. 
But I did not come here to do that. I came here to work through a 
process where we could have the participation of everyone. We all have 
an equal chance to shape the bill and to make it a bill that guides us 
in our negotiations with the Senate and not simply by our own 
proclivities.
  So for what purpose do we take up this bill? To try to get the 
House's guidance before we come to final closure with the Senate on any 
negotiations, because that is what is really important in the long 
term.
  This bill must pass. It is an appropriations bill. We must pass them 
all. I believe very strongly that what we do in respect to this bill is 
incredibly important to how the final product comes out, and that is 
the purpose to which all of us ought to lend ourselves: to do the 
people's work and to allow the process to work to shape the legislation 
that we ultimately are going to be responsible for.
  You may disagree with our priorities. You have a chance to change 
them on the House floor. You may disagree with legislative provisions 
that are placed in the bill, I disagree with some of them, but we will 
have a chance to address them on the House floor.
  So I have pressed very hard for a long time that the impasse that we 
have had over parental notification under title X, family planning, 
might be resolved and this bill might be brought to the House floor. 
Yes, it is late. I regret that there has been a serious disagreement on 
that issue. It has prevented us from going forward. But if that has 
been resolved, it is our responsibility to go forward and to allow the 
House to do its will in respect to this legislation.
  So I would say to the gentleman from Wisconsin, I think it is very 
important that this bill go forward. I am glad that these things have 
been resolved. If the gentleman and his side disagrees with the 
priorities in the bill, they should have a chance to shape them 
differently. Yes, it is going to come out different in the conference, 
conference bills always do, but all of this, it seems to me, is to be 
serving the very purposes for which we were sent here. That is for all 
of us to participate in shaping legislation for which we are 
responsible.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield three minutes to the distinguished 
gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer).
  Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the proposed rule. I 
did so last night as well. I indicated last night that the Treasury-
Postal bill was a good bill in terms of the numbers, the dollars that 
were appropriated. I rise today in saying that I do not believe this 
bill is such a bill.
  One of the aspects of serving on the Committee on Appropriations is 
the pride that I think all of us have in the ability and integrity of 
the chairman of this committee. I say that as a minority member. I 
cannot think of a chairman who I do not have great respect for.
  The gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Porter), the chairman of our 
committee, is one of those for whom I have unrestrained respect, 
admiration, and, yes, affection. He is a good Member of this Congress 
and he acts in the best interests of America as he sees it. His 
priorities that he articulated just recently I think we share.
  However, when we talk about increasing, what we have done is we have 
zero-funded LIHEAP. I was at the home of Susan Smith in Prince George's 
County, 20 minutes from this floor. Susan Smith is 85 years of age. She 
and her husband built a home in 1937. Her husband died 24 years ago, 
and she still lives in that home.
  Governor Glendening and I were there to say that we were not going to 
allow this LIHEAP to take the money away from her Social Security 
revenue, obviously as we all know, relatively small, and put her in the 
position of having to choose between her energy and heating her home or 
oil heat and her food and prescription drugs. That is a choice that we 
should not make her make.
  So, yes, it is good to say we have increased NIH by 9 percent, but 
Susan Smith ought not to pay for that. And those youth, frankly, who 
are looking to have a summer job experience so they can partake of the 
opportunities America has to offer, are not funded, so there are no 
summer jobs for youth in this bill.
  Mr. Speaker, this rule should be defeated. This rule should be 
defeated, that brings a $291 billion bill to the floor of the House 
after having been reported weeks ago, weeks ago, not only out of the 
subcommittee but full committee, with only eight days left to go, 
presumably, in this session, and say take it or leave it.
  This bill took 40 hours of debate last time. I say to my Republican 
friends, you would have savaged Democratic leadership for doing this. 
You would have savaged us, and in fact did. Not the gentlemen that are 
on the floor. As a matter of fact, a member not even in the Congress 
any more, used to stand at that podium and give us the devil for not 
operating efficiently. We are not operating efficiently. We ought to 
reject this rule and we ought to forge a bill that speaks to America's 
needs.

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  Mr. Speaker, I rise to oppose H.R. 4274, the Departments of Labor, 
Health and Human Services, and Education appropriations bill for fiscal 
year 1999, and its rule.
  This bill cuts $2 billion out of the President's education agenda to 
improve public schools. The former chairman of the Subcommittee on 
Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education Appropriations, William 
Natcher, used to say, ``If we continue to educate our children and take 
care of the health of our people, we will continue to live in the 
greatest Nation on the face of the Earth.'' Mr. Speaker, we fail to do 
so in this bill.
  By eliminating the LIHEAP Program, we fail to help 4.4 million of the 
poorest households in the country pay their heating bills. Two-thirds 
of LIHEAP recipients earn less than $8,000 a year and many are elderly, 
disabled or are struggling to raise young children in poverty. 
Yesterday, I visited one of these courageous people, 85-year-old Susan 
Smith, whose husband built her house in Lanham, Maryland in 1937. If 
she did not receive LIHEAP funds, she would have to choose between 
heating her house, buying food, or purchasing her medication. We should 
not be eliminating funding that assists those most in need, those like 
Susan Smith.
  We live in a great Nation because we give people the opportunity to 
make a better life for themselves and their children through public 
education. By not including the President's school construction 
initiative in this bill, we fail to respond to the urgent need for 
school renovation and additional classrooms in communities across the 
Nation. In fact, we fail to respond to research that shows that 
reducing class size to 15 to 18 students in the early grades improves 
student achievement, particularly among low-income and minority 
students in inner cities. And by eliminating funding for the America 
reads challenge, we will not only break last year's bipartisan budget 
agreement that protected this program, but we will fail to reach 
450,000 at-risk first, second, and third graders who desperately need 
this assistance.
  The American people believe that we should invest more, not less, 
money to improve public education. This bill goes against the very core 
of what this Nation believes. Mr. Speaker, when expectations are 
raised, students rise to meet them. This bill, however, has very low 
expectations and fails to provide the framework in which our Nation's 
youth can develop and flourish. I urge my colleagues to oppose this 
bill and vote against the rule.
  Mr. PORTER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I would say to the gentleman from Maryland that he had 
ample opportunity in the subcommittee and ample opportunity in the full 
committee to offer amendments that would have made adjustments where 
adjustments may have been needed in his judgment. What he did not have 
an opportunity to do was to break the budget caps under which we are 
living. No amendments were offered in either of those venues. The 
opportunity will appear on the floor to do the same thing.
  I will tell the gentleman right now that I think I have the LIHEAP 
problem solved to his satisfaction, and I made a lot of progress on 
summer youth as well. But let me say, again, if those were problems, if 
any of the cuts were problems and the priorities were not right, the 
gentleman has had, and his side has had, ample time to address that.
  What the gentleman is really saying is there is not enough money in 
the bill. He wants more money in the bill. But the gentleman and his 
side and the president all agreed last year that we would live under 
these budget caps, and that is exactly what we are doing.
  Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. PORTER. I yield to the gentleman from Maryland.
  Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, if my friend would yield for another mild 
compliment, I want to say to my friend, frankly, I am absolutely 
confident if the chairman had the votes on your side in large numbers 
that we would forge a bill that was a bill that we would all be proud 
of. I understand the chairman's problems, and I understand what the 
chairman is saying about the constraints.
  But I will tell my friend, both in subcommittee and committee we 
raised the same issues, and we really have not had an opportunity to 
address them. I am pleased that at this late moment, and I am pleased, 
I am not surprised, the chairman is trying to solve the LIHEAP problem 
which we raised in subcommittee, committee, and we have been raising 
ever since. We should not have done what we did, and I am pleased that 
the chairman perhaps is going to correct that in his manager's 
amendment.
  But I say to my friend, there are still problems, of course, with 
things that are in the bill that should not be in the bill.
  Mr. PORTER. Mr. Speaker, I yield three minutes to the gentleman from 
California (Mr. Cunningham).
  Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, one of the things we have done in this 
bill, which is very important to me as a cancer survivor, is since we 
took the majority in 1994 we have increased biomedical research by over 
24 percent, and the Speaker is committed to doubling biomedical 
research. That is very important for us.
  For example, for care of diabetes, diabetes takes up about 23 percent 
of the Medicare bill. Just by early detection we can save two-thirds of 
the amputations, two-thirds of blindness. That not only means quality 
of life, or life, but it means money that we can use in other fields.
  Cancer research has more than doubled, but yet prostate cancer has 
mortality for men and among especially African Americans higher second 
only to AIDS, but yet it is one of the lowest funded.
  Now, another area I would like to speak on, I am pro-life, and I am 
not here to convince people for pro-life or pro-choice, but I had a 
very interesting perception of family planning units. That perception 
was wrong, and I speak as a pro-life member.
  I went to a family planning center in San Diego and I saw women's 
health care where we should at least come together on family planning. 
I saw women there that in some cases would not receive health care in 
any other areas. I saw them getting mammograms. I saw them getting pap 
smears. I saw them getting doctors' evaluations, x-rays for lung 
cancer, and many were indigent people coming across the border. It is 
going to save a lot of people's lives, and a lot of people from even 
becoming exposed to cancer.
  I think another area we need to come together in the family planning 
issue as pro-life and pro-choice is to support family planning's 
methods which prevent unwanted pregnancies. Federal dollars are not 
used for abortions by family planning. It is all private. At least we 
ought to be able to come together on those issues that are for women's 
health care and those issues that stop and eliminate unwanted 
pregnancies. I say that again as a pro-life member.
  Secondly, biomedical research to me is one of the most important 
things that this body can invest in. There are a lot of things. LIHEAP, 
I will be frank, was established when fuel costs were very, very high. 
You cannot get rid of a Federal program. Whether the fuel prices are 
low, whether they are high or whatever, as long as you have money going 
out to a certain group. I am convinced it is very difficult to stop it 
here in this body.
  LIHEAP is one that I think should be totally eliminated, just like 
the National Endowment for the Arts. Some of the people on the other 
side disagree and think there are other cuts. But as the gentleman from 
Illinois (Mr. Porter) said, we are operating under a budget, and the 
priorities I think that he listed, I believe that every single Member 
on your side of the aisle would support those priorities. But we cannot 
have the funds under a balanced budget to meet all the priorities.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield two minutes to the distinguished 
gentlewoman from California (Ms. Pelosi), a member of the subcommittee.
  Ms. PELOSI. Mr. Speaker, I thank the distinguished ranking member of 
the committee for yielding me time and for his leadership on this bill.
  As anyone knows who has ever served on this committee, it is indeed a 
privilege that we share with the distinguished Speaker, Mr. Dickey, 
because this is a bill about the strength of our country. The health, 
the education and the well-being of the American people should 
certainly be a measure of the strength of our country. It is a 
privilege to serve with our distinguished chairman, the gentleman from 
Illinois (Mr. Porter), and with our ranking member, Mr. Obey.
  I want to focus on our ranking member for a moment though, because 
tomorrow is his birthday, I want to thank him for being born because of 
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of Representatives. Of course, I am getting no credit for saying this 
about him right now because he is not paying attention to me, but I did 
want to wish him happy birthday, which is tomorrow. Again I thank him 
for being born and for his extraordinary leadership, especially in this 
committee.

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  I know this committee best because this is one of my primary 
committees of service in this Congress.
  What I am afraid of about this bill, despite the valiant efforts of 
our distinguished chairman, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Porter), I 
am afraid this is a bill about missed opportunities. It is about 
sending a mixed message to America's children. My colleagues have 
spoken to the specifics of this bill and what it is lacking. In 
addition the overall message of this bill is that we say to children 
that education is very, very important to them and that it is central 
to their success in life and our competitiveness as a country, and yet 
this bill misses opportunities to include the Clinton administration 
agenda for smaller classes with well prepared teachers where children 
can learn, teachers can teach and parents can participate.
  This bill, instead of modernizing schools for the 21st century, 
helping local communities modernize and build 5,000 schools nationwide, 
enough though this bill can not do the interest-free bonds, it could 
help in modernizing schools. Instead, the Republican Labor-HHS bill 
chops $2 billion out of the administration request, cuts the safe 
school and drug-free schools by $50 million, slashes investments in 
education technology, and eliminates funding for America Reads. It 
sends a mixed message to American children that education is important, 
but that we do not value it in this bill.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I would like to respond to something my good 
friend from Illinois said a couple minutes earlier. He indicated that 
the reason that we are stuck with this miserable bill is because both 
parties agreed to the limitations that have produced this bill. That is 
not correct.
  It is true that the leaders of both parties voted for a budget last 
year which imposed limits, of course. But then, under the process when 
the appropriation bills came to the floor this year, the Republican 
committee leadership chose, alone, without consulting us on this side 
of the aisle, how they would divide that money between the 13 
subcommittees, and it is clear that the committee leadership on the 
Republican side of the aisle decided to take money out of this bill and 
give it to other subcommittees so that they would have an easier time 
passing bills favored by the majority leadership, leaving this bill 
holding the bag. That is why we are now stuck with a bill which even 
the Republican leadership in the Senate says is at least $3 billion 
below where it should be.
  Now, we know that. We heard them say that just yesterday. So it is 
not just us saying that this bill is inadequate; your own party 
brethren in the Senate are saying the same thing.
  So all I would say is that we need to recognize the fact that we did 
not agree on this side of the aisle to cut education $2 billion below 
the President's level. We did not agree that we should eliminate 
funding for low income heating assistance and summer jobs programs, the 
2 programs that deal most directly with the least fortunate people in 
this society. Those decisions were made unilaterally on the other side 
of the aisle, and those are the decisions to which we object.
  That is why, while I have great respect and affection for the 
gentleman from Illinois, I think he has done the very best job he can 
defending a very bad case. It seems to me that a vote for this rule is 
an endorsement of each and every one of the cuts in this bill which I 
predict will be repudiated on both sides of the aisle within the next 2 
weeks. There is no reason to bring this charade to the floor, and I 
urge a ``no'' vote on the rule.
  Mr. PORTER. Mr. Speaker, I would say to the gentleman from Wisconsin, 
he had a chance also in respect to the allocations to offer an 
amendment. I heard of no amendment being offered. The gentleman had a 
chance to shape within the budget allocations and the spending for each 
account and no amendments were forthcoming.
  I would also say to the gentleman, I am not so sure how he knows what 
is the ``proper level of spending'' for any bill, but clearly the 
gentleman and the people on his side of the aisle see no place ever to 
make any cuts in any program, regardless of what it may be, because he 
has had the opportunity to do so and he has not done so during the 
entire process.
  I would suggest to the gentleman that it is not enough simply to 
criticize. He must participate in the process and to shape the 
legislation and not simply to say, ``well, it is not the way I would do 
it.'' If we had more money, obviously we might do it differently. But 
thank God, for the first time in a long time, we are living within the 
allocations. We are bringing down the deficits. We have brought the 
budget into balance. And we have done it not only with a wonderful 
economy, we have done it with some good fiscal discipline here in the 
Congress and the majority party making some tough decisions that have 
been needed for a long, long time in our country that were never made 
on the other side of the aisle.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, again, in the interest of fact, I am required 
to correct the gentleman's previous statements. He says that no one on 
this side of the aisle has tried to cut unneeded spending. It was not 
people on this side of the aisle who decided that we should arrange to 
have a new set of accounting procedures approved so that we could 
provide $637 million in ships that the Pentagon did not even ask for. 
This Member personally offered amendments in the defense appropriations 
bill to eliminate funding for additional C-130s, which were provided 
purely and simply so that the Congress could provide 7 additional 
aircraft again that the Pentagon did not even ask for. That decision 
was made by your committee leadership.
  This Member certainly did not vote for the highway bill that went 
through here, which had 1,800 pork barrel projects. To put that in 
perspective, in the entire 42-year history of the highway program, up 
until this year, when our party was in control, in 42 years there were 
a total of 1,042 pork barrel projects. This bill had over 100 in one 
year alone, including roads to a brew pub and almost $80 million to be 
spent on a highway in a foreign country.
  So if I were the gentleman, I would not brag too much about the 
discipline shown on that side of the aisle on legislation like that.
  Mr. Speaker, I make no apology for saying that I believe that more 
funding in the Federal budget should have been put in this bill so that 
we did not have to cut education $2 billion below the President's 
level. I believe that we should have provided those after-school 
centers to keep juveniles out of trouble and under adult supervision. I 
believe we should be funding higher levels for children's mental 
health. When we see kids shooting each other in school yards around the 
country, I believe that we should not be eliminating the summer youth 
program that gives millions or hundreds of thousands of young people 
their first exposure to the world of work. And I certainly do not 
believe that we ought to continue to deny the President's top education 
priority, which is the reduction of class size by adding new teachers 
in the first 3 grades.
  This bill does all of that, and that is why it seems to me that we 
should vote against the rule because a vote for this rule is a vote to 
endorse the bill which Senate Republicans have already indicated is at 
least $3 billion below where it ought to be in order to provide a 
balanced set of priorities for the people we are supposed to represent.
  Mr. TORRES. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the chairmen of the 
committee and subcommittee, the ranking member, and the committee staff 
for their work on this bill and for attempting to achieve a balance 
within the small budget allotted to the subcommittee. As you all can 
attest, work on this particular appropriations bill has always been a 
difficult task. I have been honored to contribute to these efforts. I 
am proud that my membership to this committee has had an influence in 
the human service and educational goals for which I came to Congress to 
fight.
  I have been a longtime supporter of the High School Equivalency 
Program and the College Assistance Migrant Program. The HEP and CAMP 
programs are the only programs funded on the national level which 
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seasonal farm workers. Some of you may know that I am the son of 
migrant workers. There were no such student programs when I was growing 
up. But these programs have successfully helped migrant youth complete 
high school or obtain their GED. This has opened the door to continuing 
education opportunities in institutions of higher education.
  In the 104th Congress, HEP-CAMP faced the threat of large cuts in 
funding. I introduced an amendment to maintain funding for HEP-CAMP. I 
wrote letters to committee chairs in both Chambers, describing the 
importance of these programs and the cost-effectiveness of their 
success. With the support of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, funding 
was maintained. Since then, the programs have received increased 
funding. I am proud to have assisted HEP-CAMP in advancing their 
efforts.
  Hispanic-serving institutions are another example of a critical 
funding stream for under-represented minorities. These institutions 
carry the burden of providing higher education for Latinos, the fastest 
growing segment of our nation's population. Still, they are subjected 
to educational, economic and political discrimination. The 
Congressional Hispanic Caucus has been working tirelessly to increase 
funding for Hispanic serving institutions to meet the growing 
educational needs of this target population. We have been successful in 
doing so for fiscal year 1998 and again in this year's bill. I thank 
the chairmen again for this necessary increase and Congressman Lewis 
for spearheading such efforts. I am pleased to acknowledge Congressman 
Lewis understands this important educational need for the growing 
segment of his district's, California's, and our Nation's population.
  While I am pleased with these increases, I am gravely disappointed in 
the cuts and eliminations many other critical programs have received. 
We speak of engaging a new generation of Americans that are prepared to 
succeed in the global economy and technologically advanced society of 
the 21st century. Yet, we stand here, as a committee, ready to vote on 
a bill that falls far short of such a goal. I am deeply concerned that 
the funding levels in this mark will not meet the challenge of our 
future. We can all think of reasons to blame particular districts or 
the public education system for the seemingly poor education standards 
in this country, but we offer no solution.
  The population of young people today far exceeds that of the so-
called baby boom generation. Congress must rise to the challenge of 
providing greater opportunities for the growing mass of young people in 
this country. We must continue to fund programs that have proven 
successful in these efforts. This bill will not do this. We cut summer 
jobs and school-to-work programs which have also made notable efforts 
to advance and promote youth success. We have not given the necessary 
increases to after school programs and mentoring proposals.
  Most disappointing is the subcommittee's decision to follow a 
misguided, poorly developed trend from my State, to cut funding for 
bilingual education. The administration is meeting the challenges of 
the growing Latino population with a Hispanic education action plan. 
This is a comprehensive plan based on high standards and research-based 
reform. The unacceptably high Hispanic dropout rate has signaled a need 
that must be addressed if we are to successfully prepare our nation for 
the next century. Instead of meeting that need, we have turned our back 
on these students who want to learn English, finish high school and 
prepare for college.
  Instead of investing in the future of this country as a whole, 
Congress is specifying which Americans deserve education funding, 
grants, and assistance. The restrictive language in this bill would 
impair a school district's ability to provide successful programs for 
their limited-English speaking students and make critical decisions 
that impact the education of all children. The arbitrary deadline for 
the acquisition of the English language prevents teachers and school 
administrators from doing what is best for each individual child. By 
basing such grants on exiting limited-English proficient children to 
English-only classes, without considering individual needs or academic 
performance, we are encouraging a debasing of standards and 
expectations for students.
  My colleagues, I implore you to use better foresight in determining 
the funding levels from which we prepare Americans to meet the demands 
of their future. I thank the leaders who saw potential in my future and 
gave me the support and encouragement to continue my education and 
become a productive citizen of this country. Without the wisdom and 
vision of those people, I may not be here today. I cannot support this 
bill and I urge you to reject it as well. I am hopeful that we can 
devise a plan for a more balanced bill that does more to encourage 
progress rather than stifle it.
  Mr. FORD. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to express my opposition to the 
proposed rule for the Labor/HHS appropriations bill and voice my 
concerns over the myopia that appears to plague many of my colleagues 
on the other side of the aisle.
  As you may recall, Mr. Speaker, yesterday we agreed to go to 
conference with the Senate on juvenile crime legislation. And during 
the brief floor debate on this matter, several of my Republican 
colleagues expressed their belief that reducing juvenile crime requires 
a two-prong approach: punishment and prevention.
  Well, Mr. Speaker, I find it curious at best how Republicans honestly 
can contend that they believe prevention is a vital component in 
reducing juvenile crime, when they plan on bringing a Labor/HHS bill to 
the floor that drastically cuts funding for Summer Jobs, School-to-
Work, and After School Learning Programs--all of which are designed to 
help young people on the front end, by providing them a chance to do 
the right thing.
  I wonder, Mr. Speaker, what kind of prevention strategy could be more 
counterproductive than:
  Summer Jobs--cutting funding by over $500 million, effectively 
denying 530,000 young people--over 1,500 in my district alone--the 
opportunity to work during the summer of 1999.
  School-to-Work--cutting funding by $250 million, effectively 
undermining the ability to provide work-based learning experiences to 
more than 1 million students in over 3,000 high schools.
  After-School Learning Programs--cutting funding to $140 million below 
the administration's request, effectively denying 3,000 communities the 
opportunity to provide after-school safe haven learning programs for 
nearly 400,000 school-age children.
  How, I ask, do my colleagues on the other side of the aisle 
realistically expect young people in America to develop an appreciation 
of the value and importance of education and work, if all they see is 
Congress appropriating money to build more jail cells, but not to 
improve their schools or provide them summer jobs.
  Mr. Speaker, I am also having a very difficult time understanding how 
the Republicans can reconcile their willingness to cut or eliminate 
funding for programs like Goals 2000, Star Schools, School-to-Work, and 
America Reads, with their professed commitment to education. In 
response to this criticism, I am sure many of my Republican colleagues 
will tout their Dollars-to-the-Classroom bill, which will block grant 
funding to states for education-related programs. Well, Mr. Speaker, if 
the funding levels in the Labor/HHS appropriations are any indication 
of what the Republicans plan on investing in, then America's young 
people and our Nation's public education system are in serious 
jeopardy.
  So, Mr. Speaker, I say to every single Member of this body, if you 
believe in giving young people a chance at success, and truly want to 
see the juvenile crime rate go down in America--as opposed to just 
looking tough on crime--then you cannot in good conscience support the 
rule or underlying Labor/HHS appropriations bill.

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