[Congressional Record Volume 144, Number 122 (Tuesday, September 15, 1998)]
[Senate]
[Pages S10335-S10354]
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  DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 
                                  1999

  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Under the previous order, the Senate will now 
resume consideration of S. 2237, which the clerk will report.

       A bill (S. 2237) making appropriations for the Department 
     of the Interior and related agencies for the fiscal year 
     ending September 30, 1999, and for other purposes.

  The Senate resumed consideration of the bill.
  Pending:

     Daschle amendment No. 3581, to provide emergency assistance 
     to agricultural producers.

  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Under the previous order, the Senator from 
Arkansas is recognized to offer an amendment relating to mining with 
the time until 12:30 p.m. to be equally divided in the usual form.
  The Senator from Arkansas is recognized.
  Mr. BUMPERS. Madam President, my colleagues will be greatly relieved 
with my departure at the end of this year because they won't have to 
listen to this debate anymore. They may have to listen to it again, but 
not from me.
  This amendment arises from a situation which really began last year, 
Madam President. In order to set the stage for it, I direct my 
colleagues' attention to this chart here. But before doing so, let me 
just say that we had what I thought was a solemn agreement last year on 
this same issue. I won't say it was a handshake contract, but last year 
the Interior appropriations bill contained a provision that was added 
in the committee markup, which said the Secretary of the Interior may 
not promulgate new regulations for the mining of hard rock minerals on 
Federal lands until every Governor of 11 Western States had 
individually agreed to it.
  In 1976 we passed FLPMA, an acronym for Federal Lands Policy 
Management Act, it was my second year in the Senate when we passed 
that, but I was very active in the negotiations and passage of that 
bill. It was a comprehensive bill that determined how all Bureau of 
Land Management lands would be handled. In it we said that the 
Secretary of the Interior is charged with the responsibility of 
ensuring that on Bureau lands, no unnecessary and undue degradation 
would occur.
  Now, as my friend, the Governor of Florida, Lawton Chiles, who used 
to be our colleague, used to say on this floor, ``The mother tongue is 
English.'' You cannot say it any better in English than to say the 
Secretary is hereby charged with the responsibility for making certain 
that there is no undue, unnecessary degradation of Federal lands.
  We have about 450 million acres of Federal lands, and an awful lot of 
it is eligible to be mined for various hardrock minerals, notably gold, 
platinum, silver, zinc, lead, you name it. So in 1980, the Secretary 
issued regulations to comply with FLPMA and in 1981 they were finalized 
and went into effect. Everybody applauded and said it is wonderful. Now 
we have regulations in place that will govern mining companies.
  What brought these regulations about? It was the first time we had 
ever tried to regulate mining on Federal lands. Why did we do it? 
Because at that very moment, there were 557,000 abandoned mines in this 
country. Who do you think had been left with the pleasure of cleaning 
up those 557,000 abandoned mines? You guessed it--``Uncle Sucker.'' The 
cleanup costs, according to the Mineral Policy Center,

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for those 557,000 mine sites is calculated to be between $32.7 billion 
and $71.5 billion. Within the 557,000 abandoned mines, 59 of those are 
now Superfund sites. We don't put things on the Superfund list just for 
fun. That is a big-time environmental disaster. In addition to 59 
Superfund sites, we have 12,000 miles of rivers that have been polluted 
by mining waste, and we have 2,000 national park sites in need of 
reclamation.
  Now, think of that. We have 2,000 mine sites within the national 
parks that have to be reclaimed. And because it took the Nation too 
long to wake up to the environmental damage that was being done by 
mining in this country, this damage had already occurred when we passed 
FLPMA in 1976 saying the Secretary will promulgate regulations to make 
sure that not only this comes to an end, but that it never happens 
again. So we gave the Secretary regulatory authority.
  In 1981, those rules went into effect. Let me make one point, and I 
will make it more than once in this debate. The mining of gold in this 
country is done nowadays primarily with the use of cyanide. Cyanide is 
a lethal chemical.
  Now, Madam President, in 1991, George Bush was President, a 
conservative Republican administration. Because this new technique of 
mining with cyanide had gone into effect and there were several mines 
which had caused cyanide to leak into the streams and rivers around it 
and into the underground water supply, the environmentalists were 
squealing like pigs under a gate.
  So, in 1991, the Bush administration, through Secretary Lujan, came 
out with a study to develop new regulations to take care of these new 
environmental problems. But because in 1993 we were trying to reform 
the whole mining law, everybody said, ``Well, we have got this whole 
law we are going to reform,'' so the Interior Department decided to 
suspend the work on revising the regulations. Unfortunately, in 1994, 
the Western Senators were able to kill the mining law reform 
legislation that was pending in Congress.
  As a result, last year, Bruce Babbitt, the all-time favorite whipping 
boy of the West, said he, as Secretary of the Interior, was going to 
honor FLPMA as it was written, and that is to make sure there is no 
unnecessary and undue degradation of the public lands. So he 
reinitiated the process begun in the Bush Administration to revise the 
mining regulations in order to attempt to prevent environmental 
disasters, such as the leak of cyanide into the rivers, streams and 
underground water supplies. So Senator Reid of Nevada, in the 
appropriations subcommittee last year added a provision which would 
have prohibited the Secretary from promulgating these rules unless all 
of the Western Governors consented.
  The provision, as it was drafted, was patently clear. It simply meant 
that each Western Governors had veto power over the revised 
regulations. That was, obviously, a little too much, even for some of 
my friends in the West, to stomach.
  So Senator Reid and I worked together in good faith and mutual 
friendship and respect on both sides. We amended that language to say 
that the Secretary will consult with all the Governors of the West. 
After he has done so, he will certify to the Congress that he has 
consulted with all of the Western Governors. He maintained that he had 
already done that, but they disagreed with that. So we required 
consultation in the amendment. That is the path we adopted last year.
  We also put a time schedule in there so that the Secretary could 
continue to work on the regulations, and he could promulgate the 
regulations after November 15. The deal was done. It will be done after 
the election. Nobody will be hurt politically. The only thing wrong 
with that is this year--1998--when the bill comes out of the 
appropriations subcommittee, the deal was reneged upon.
  What is the new requirement? The new provision states that the 
Secretary could not promulgate these regulations until the National 
Academy of Sciences has studied it for 27 months. Next year, it will be 
the National Institutes of Health. God knows, the next year it will 
probably be the National Organization for Women--anything to keep these 
regulations from going into effect.
  Make no mistake about what we are talking about. Everybody 
understands it. Under the provision that is in the bill this year, 
which I am proposing with this amendment to strike, guess what the 
timetable is. It will now take 27 months for the National Academy of 
Sciences to study it and to report it and the Secretary to consider it 
and do whatever he is going to do--27 more months, over 2 years, of 
continuing to sock the taxpayers of America with the foibles of the 
mining industry. I will come back to some of those foibles in just a 
moment and tell the American taxpayers what they are paying for right 
now.
  Why 27 months? You know, if you are a U.S. Senator, and if you paid 
any attention at all--you don't have to have a picture drawn for you--
27 months takes us past the year 2000. So we go past the election in 
the year 2000, and all of my friends who are going to come in here and 
vote against my proposal today hopefully will elect a President of a 
different persuasion who will bring James Watt back as our Secretary of 
the Interior.
  That is the politics of the issue. It is not pleasant to talk about 
things like that on the floor of the Senate. But there isn't a single 
Senator here today who is going to vote who doesn't understand 
precisely what it is about. Every Senator who votes against my 
amendment is going to know in spades that he is voting to continue to 
allow mining companies to mine on Federal lands with virtually no 
regulations to guide them, being able to put up an insufficient bond, 
and when they take bankruptcy and go south again, will leave the 
taxpayers of America to pick up the tab. I don't know how I can put it 
any plainer than that.
  Madam President, let me be just a little bit more dramatic, a little 
bit more graphic about why the anti-environmental rider in this bill 
should be taken out.
  I want you to bear in mind, last year we postponed it until November 
15. If my amendment is not adopted, that takes us down well past 
November. It takes us into about January 2001; and more and more 
environmental degradation, more rivers and streams polluted, more 
mining companies taking bankruptcy and heading south with an 
insufficient bond.
  That is for what you are going to be voting. For all of those who are 
running for reelection this year, when you go home and your opponent 
says, ``Why did you vote against putting some regulations in to 
regulate the use of cyanide to keep it from going into our underground 
aquifers and our rivers and streams; why did you vote to continue 
that,'' I would like to hear your answer.
  But just to give the taxpayers of America some information, if not my 
colleagues who are not here this morning, in 1992, Galactic Resources, 
the owner of the Summitville Mine in Colorado, took bankruptcy. They 
left cyanide, acid, and metal runoff going into the underground 
aquifers and the Alamosa River. Do you know what has happened since 
then? The taxpayers of this country are paying over $1 million a year 
to try to contain cyanide and acid runoff from that mine, not Galactic 
Resources.
  The Summitville mine took bankruptcy and went south. That was in 
1992. The reason they were able to create an environmental disaster in 
the State of Colorado is because Colorado's bonding regulations were 
insufficient. Federal regulations are similarly flawed. We have 
constantly postponed new regulations, and the regulations we were 
operating with were promulgated in 1981, and in 1981 we didn't even 
know about cyanide poison being used in the mining process. Secretary 
Babbitt is trying his best to promulgate rules and regulations to make 
sure there will be no more Summitville mines.
  So when people come walking onto the Senate floor to vote on this 
amendment, remember, you get to go home and tell your constituents that 
they are picking up a million-dollar tab a year because we do not have 
regulations to control gold mining in this country.
  Now we have a brand new one in Montana. Pegasus Gold Company, which 
has filed for bankruptcy recently closed the Zortman-Landusky mine on 
BLM and private land in Montana.

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They have filed for bankruptcy. Cyanide spills all over the place. And 
who do you think is going to get to pick up the shortage on their bond? 
The taxpayers of America.
  And here is one, to be totally fair about it, that is not on Federal 
land, the Gilt Edge mine in South Dakota, another 1998 matter. They had 
cyanide leaks in the ground water, acid mine drainage, and they are in 
financial difficulty. And if they take bankruptcy, it is estimated that 
their bond will pay about 50 percent of the cost of cleaning up that 
mess.
  The regulations that we are talking about trying to get promulgated 
to stop this outrage are not just to stop the use of cyanide. We are 
not trying to stop the use of cyanide. We are trying to make them use 
it in a way that we know the plastic cover on the ground is strong 
enough to not break and leak. But the second thing we are talking about 
is making them put up a sufficient bond; in case they do have a 
spillage, in case they do go broke, the taxpayers will not be left with 
it.
  The reason I use Gilt Edge is not because they are mining on Federal 
lands but because they are proposing to extend their operations onto 
National Forest land.
  So since 1976 we have been trying to stop mining companies from 
mining in an improper way, leaving the taxpayers with the tab. We have 
been trying a lot of other things without success. But if I were 
speaking on national television to 268 million people in America and 
all the adults were listening, how many votes do you think I would get? 
About 90 percent of the American people. But, unhappily, I am not 
speaking to 268 million Americans. Lord, how I wish I were; I feel 
supremely confident as to how the American people would feel about 
this.
  So, Madam President, let me go back and make one other point and then 
I will allow some of my adversaries to have their say.
  Let me describe for you how gold is mined today under modern methods. 
First of all, you have to dig up the earth. You dig up huge, cavernous 
amounts of soil that supposedly has gold in it. You bring the soil into 
the mine site, where huge plastic covers have been laid out on the 
ground, and you dump this soil on this plastic cover that covers the 
ground and presumably will hold any fluid or liquids that you put 
through this dirt. Huge pits. You ought to see them. They look like 
abandoned strip mining sites. But this modern method that I talked 
about is new, brand new, and is causing all the damage that we need 
regulations to control.
  Then they use a drip process along the top of this big mound of dirt 
where this cyanide drips through, and it seeps down through this huge 
pile of dirt. The gold is attracted to this cyanide solution. Then it 
pours out on the side into sort of a gutter, where the gold is strained 
out of it and the cyanide is recycled and once again put through this 
drip process. It is like a drip irrigation system.
  Now, the first thing you have to do is understand how lethal cyanide 
is, and the second thing you have to understand is that the reason some 
of these spills occur is that the plastic liners leak. Think about how 
ominous it is. How would you like to live in the vicinity where you 
knew your underground water supply had cyanide leaking into it?
  Mr. President, I have nothing against the National Academy of 
Sciences, it is a fine organization. But we don't need another Academy 
study. The National Academy of Sciences has already examined the 
matter. In 1978, when we enacted SMCRA, governing the regulation of 
coal mining, a provision was included in the bill to require the 
National Academy of Sciences to study the regulatory requirements 
needed to address the environmental impact of hard rock mining. That 
study was completed in 1979. That same study found a need for a Federal 
regulatory framework.

  In 1996, the Environmental Law Institute studied hard rock mining 
programs and said the current regulations were insufficient. That was 
in 1996. In 1992, the House Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs 
prepared a study that found significant gaps in environmental 
regulation of mining. The GAO has studied this issue to death and has 
found flaws in the administration of our mining laws.
  The question then becomes, When you consider all the studies that 
have been done and the damage that has occurred while we have been 
doing studies, why in the name of all that is good and holy do we need 
another study? I repeat, do we need another study to postpone this 
until after the year 2000, when a new Secretary, presumably, will take 
office who does not even believe in studies, let alone environmental 
regulation? This is all a ploy. Everybody in the Senate knows that. 
When they vote today, they are going to think, ``Now, what kind of a 
30-second spot can somebody make out of me voting to continue mining 
gold with cyanide when the regulations were written before cyanide was 
even used in gold mining?'' And they think about it and they put it 
through this little filter, this little political filter in their ear, 
and say, ``Well, on the other side it says the National Academy of 
Sciences. Who can object to the National Academy of Sciences studying 
something? It is a very prestigious organization.'' And they can 
probably try to convince their constituents that they are trying to 
protect them by having the National Academy of Sciences do a study 
when, in fact, the National Academy of Sciences could do what they need 
to do on their own in 2 months. But the list I just gave you shows this 
has been studied and studied and postponed and postponed, until now we 
have these environmental disasters on our hands that cost the taxpayers 
``gazillions.'' It is going to cost them a fortune.
  And don't anybody make any mistake in your judgment about how this is 
going to play out. As I said, we had a solemn agreement last year. 
Everybody understood exactly what we were agreeing to. And, 
incidentally, we said the Secretary had to consult with all the Western 
Governors. He has done that. Governor Miller, I think, is president of 
the Western Governors' Association; he has notified Members of Congress 
that they have been consulted with. Everything we agreed to last year 
has taken place, and we come back here today and industry says, ``No, 
we have to have one more study.''
  I have said most of what I want to say. I just ask, what is the 
objection, even of the Western Senators? What is their objection to the 
Interior Department, that they want to prohibit any update of the 
regulations? Nobody has cited a single objection to the drafts of the 
Secretary of Interior that were going to go into effect, that were 
going to be promulgated November 15 of this year. Do they object to 
mining companies having to file a plan before they start mining? Do 
they object to requiring mining companies to post a bond sufficient to 
take care of the devastation that they may cause? Do they object to a 
regulation that says they must reclaim the land when they finish mining 
it? What is the objection? Is it that they have to minimize the adverse 
impact on the environment, if at all economically and technically 
possible? It does not say they have to. It says they have to minimize 
adverse impacts if at all technically and economically possible. Who 
could object to that?
  Madam President, I yield the floor.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI addressed the Chair.
  Mr. BUMPERS. Madam President, the amendment is up, isn't it?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has not called up his amendment.


                           Amendment No. 3591

            (Purpose: To remove an anti-environmental rider)

  Mr. BUMPERS. I now call up my amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from Arkansas [Mr. Bumpers] proposes an 
     amendment numbered 3591.
       Strike line 19 on page 55 through line 6 on page 58.

  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska is recognized.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Madam President, let me wish you a good morning as we 
proceed with the Interior appropriations process. I would like my 
colleagues to note that I stand in strong opposition to Senator 
Bumpers' amendment to strike the National Academy of Science study. 
What we have here is an organization of scientists that are objective. 
They have a reputation of making decisions based on sound science and 
not rhetoric. We

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have a good deal of rhetoric here in this body.
  The language that Senator Bumpers would propose to strike is as 
simple and straightforward as any legislative language can be. In spite 
of all words to the contrary, it does nothing more than direct the 
National Academy of Sciences to review existing State and Federal 
environmental regulations dealing with the hard rock mining industry to 
determine the adequacy of these laws and those regulations to prevent 
unnecessary and undue degradation, and how to better coordinate Federal 
and State regulatory programs to ensure environmental protection. It is 
short, it is sweet, and it is to the point.
  The Senator from Arkansas has a long history in opposition to mining. 
It is interesting to note that the State of Arkansas has a relatively 
small amount of mining activity, most of which is either on private or 
patented land, unlike the western part of the United States, Nevada, 
California, Idaho, my State of Alaska. I do not have a constituency in 
the poultry industry. I could, perhaps, claim ``fowl,'' relative to the 
constant objection from my good friend from Arkansas who clearly has no 
constituency in the mining industry. But the point is, the mining 
industry in the United States has been able to survive in an 
international marketplace, unlike the poultry industry which has a 
domestic market and domestic concerns. My point is that the economy of 
a good portion of the Western United States is dependent on the mining 
industry.
  It needs fixing, but it is not broke. It is rather interesting to 
note that the reason we are here today, to a large degree, is that we 
have yet to pass a mining law reform package in the U.S. Senate. It is 
fair to ask why. Let me tell you why, Madam President.
  The Senator from Arkansas specifically asked the Senator from Alaska, 
who chairs the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, not to mark up 
the mining legislation because he was working diligently with me and 
others to try to put together a compromise that he could support.
  But the point is, he asked and I put off Senator Craig's and my 
mining bill while he negotiated with industry on a comprehensive reform 
package. I hope that effort is not over. But we would not be here today 
or have to go through this debate if our reform bill had come to this 
floor for a vote, which I hope within the timeframe remaining it still 
might. It was an effort to provide a balanced package that contained a 
host of surface management protections along with royalty, but it was 
because he asked us to put off the mining law package that we are here 
today debating only a portion of the reforms envisioned in my mining 
bill.
  Let me remind you, Madam President, the reform of mining law is 
complex. There are different minerals. It is not like the coal industry 
where you are dealing with one particular mine product. You are dealing 
with gold, you are dealing with silver, you are dealing with copper, 
all of which have different complexities in the mining and, more so, 
the refining process, different costs, and the realization that you may 
be mining rich gold in one mine and much lower grade gold in another, 
yet the costs are significant. When you try to have uniformity in 
application of mining law, it becomes very complex and often an 
impossible task.
  What we are proposing in our mining bill, as the Senator from 
Arkansas knows, is a pattern similar to what is working in the State of 
Nevada. My colleagues from Nevada will be addressing that. But that is 
basically the application of a net royalty.
  Madam President, hard as it is to believe that we agree on anything, 
I do agree with Senator Bumpers that it is an absolute shame that the 
Congress has been forced to intercede in what should be the Department 
of Interior's routine rulemaking process. This has been addressed by my 
friend from Arkansas, but if we look back historically, we have been 
able to count on administration agencies to do an evaluation of needs 
that is objective and straightforward before launching off and writing 
new regulations. Sadly, under the current Office of the Secretary of 
the Interior, this has not been the case. Let me tell you why.
  The entire rulemaking effort for mining is rooted in a Secretarial 
directive to the Bureau of Land Management in which he concludes that 
since the Congress has not acted on mining reform, it is his intention 
to do so through the regulatory process. So here is the Secretary of 
the Interior circumventing the will of Congress.
  Why don't we have a bill here? We accommodated the Senator from 
Arkansas in withholding on the markup so we could negotiate. Yet, he 
wants to move in and strike the involvement on a portion--a portion, 
Madam President--of the reform from having the independent study done 
by the National Academy of Sciences.
  I am sure my colleagues understand what we have going on here. As we 
look at giving the Secretary of the Interior the right to initiate 
rulemaking, circumventing the role of Congress, I think on most issues, 
my friend will agree with me, there is no justification for it. There 
is a mining bill before this Congress. We would like to have it passed, 
but we are waiting for a resolve by the Senator from Arkansas to 
negotiate something that is satisfactory to him, as well as us. We have 
a bill before this body, as I promised many of my colleagues after the 
last vote on this issue that we would.
  Let's go back to the proposed rulemaking, which the Senator from 
Arkansas has referred to, at the Department of Interior. It is 
interesting to note that no assessment of existing Federal laws and 
regulations, no assessment of existing State laws and regulations--
simply put, the result so far from the Department of Interior is, no 
determination of need whatsoever has come out of this process.
  Governor Miller of Nevada perhaps put it best when he said the 
current Department of Interior mining regulation effort is a solution 
looking for a problem, and my good friend from Arkansas is here with 
his continuation of his objection to this particular industry.
  During the last appropriations cycle, we attempted to temper the 
Secretary's driving impulse to regulate with an amendment which would 
have forced--forced--the Department of Interior to at least coordinate 
its efforts with the Governors of the affected States. My friend from 
Arkansas said they met that obligation. The only difference is, the 
Governors of the affected States didn't agree with the Department of 
Interior.
  It was our hope through this coordinated effort the new regulations 
would not drop a monkey wrench into the existing State-Federal 
regulatory network. Anyone, Madam President, with even a rudimentary 
understanding of how the mining industry is regulated understands that 
the State governments play by far the largest role in oversight and 
enforcement of environmental regulations on the industry.
  What is wrong with that? The Senator from Arkansas seems to put 
little credence in the oversight capability of the States. What is 
wrong with the States, the most concerned group with regard to their 
responsibility concerning environmental oversight on the mining 
industry? Is it better to have a faceless bureaucrat in Washington, DC, 
dictating what goes on in Nevada, California, Idaho, dictating to the 
people of Idaho, the people of Alaska who live with the mining 
industry, who take pride in their State, who take pride in the 
reclamation process to meet their obligations?
  The reason for this is simple. Over time, the States have been 
delegated Federal responsibilities for water quality, air quality, 
solid waste management, and mine reclamation. These laws are the 800-
pound gorillas when it comes to mining.
  Over time, these Federal programs have been fully integrated into 
State environmental protection laws. These interwoven laws form a 
complete and balanced net of environmental regulations that cover 
almost every aspect of mining activity. And if they don't cover some, 
they will, without so much as a thought given to the impact their 
rulemaking efforts would have upon existing Federal and State programs 
that the Department of Interior took upon itself to launch into a major 
rewrite effort.
  What is their agenda? Is it to run the domestic mining industry 
offshore? We have learned from what happened in Mexico and Canada when 
the industry basically ceased to exist at its previous level because of 
restrictions. And, remember, unlike the poultry industry,

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which is a domestic industry and with which my colleague from Arkansas 
is familiar, the mining industry has to operate internationally. It 
either competes on an international basis or it doesn't. It is much 
more complex.
  Last year, at the request of Governor Miller of Nevada, Senator Reid 
put on an amendment to the Interior appropriations bill which would 
have made it mandatory that the Interior Department at least coordinate 
efforts with the States--at least coordinate them. He did this only 
after the Governor made it clear that coordination was not taking 
place.
  So I take issue with the general statement of my friend from 
Arkansas. We were prepared last year to make Interior Department 
coordination with the States mandatory. Senator Bumpers, however, saw 
fit to intercede on behalf of the Department of Interior with an 
amendment which removed mandatory coordination with States and put in 
place a requirement that the Secretary certify to the Congress that the 
coordination had occurred, and the Secretary has done that. But the 
States didn't agree. They didn't agree, Madam President.
  While I have had doubts about this, I supported the approach. I was 
hopeful that the amendment would be received in good faith by the 
Interior Department and that they would make sure that the States 
interested were factored into their mining regulation effort. What 
followed was the most, I think, disrespectful, in-your-face response I 
have ever seen from the Department of Interior and any other agency of 
the Federal Government.
  In the Interior appropriations bill, when it was signed by the 
President November 11, 1997, a letter certifying that coordination with 
the Governors had taken place was signed on Monday, November 14. Well, 
they didn't agree. The cavalier attitude of the Interior Department is 
the sole reason we are back here again this year. At this time, I urge 
my colleagues not to be taken in by the rhetoric. Fool me once, shame 
on you; fool me twice, why, shame on me.
  It is obvious to me that we have seen examples that the Department of 
Interior is simply unwilling and incapable of following good government 
practice when it comes to regulating the industry. They have so 
completely lost their objectivity and become so biased against this 
industry that they appear completely incapable of making objective and 
fair decisions.
  It is just not the mining industry. Grazing on public land falls into 
the same category; oil and gas exploration, same category; access to 
public land; the administration talks about global warming and that gas 
is the answer--where are you going to get the gas if they won't allow 
exploration on public lands; timbering, Forest Service lands, and, of 
course, mining on western public land.
  Our amendment does not make a finding one way or the other regarding 
the ultimate needs for new regulations. It does direct an ``unbaised'' 
assessment of the need for new regulations be completed before--and 
that is the whole purpose of the National Academy of Sciences--before 
the Interior Department can finalize mining regulations.
  With diminished budgets, increased need and the growing complexity of 
State, Federal and environmental protection laws, why on Earth would 
any responsible government manager propose a large-scale rulemaking 
effort without first establishing a solid and specific need?
  Since it has become obvious that the Interior Department is either 
unwilling or incapable of accomplishing this assessment, then it is 
imperative that the Congress now step in and assume the responsibility. 
They leave us with no other choice. Once the National Academy of 
Sciences completes its assessment, the Interior Department will be free 
to proceed with its regulatory efforts. At that point, they will have 
the information they need to rewrite the regulations in a way that 
fixes problems, if there are any, but not create problems.
  The citizens of this Nation are entitled to a Department of Interior 
that determines need before it acts, that doesn't waste money that it 
sorely needs in other places, a department that doesn't unnecessarily 
disrupt a system of State and Federal regulations laboriously 
constructed over decades to complement and enhance environmental 
protection at the lowest possible cost.
  The time has come to draw a line in the sand with this 
administration. It is simply not in their purview to regulate an 
industry out of existence without first establishing a need for that 
regulation. It cannot simply dismiss input from the affected States, 
which they have done. These States truly are our partners, not our 
enemies.
  I have communications from the Governors of Nevada, Arizona, Idaho, 
Utah, Wyoming, and New Mexico, asking Congress to protect their 
interests, asking us to support retention of the National Academy of 
Sciences' objective study. Like us, they simply want the Interior 
Department to demonstrate a need for regulation before they step up on 
the effort.
  By voting to table Senator Bumpers' amendment we will certainly set 
in motion this study. It is my understanding it will be Senator 
Bumpers' motion to strike.
  Now, I am sure all of you will hear a great deal of verbiage about 
this issue, but when the dust settles and the smoke has blown away, you 
only have to ask yourself one question: Do we want to start a massive, 
potentially disruptive rulemaking effort before the need for the effort 
has been established?
  There you have it--short, simple and to the point. I urge my 
colleagues to join me in a vote against Senator Bumpers' amendment. In 
so doing, we will be sending a clear message to the administration that 
good government is still important government, and the government that 
is best is the government that is close to the people. The State's 
voice should be heard. The States play a critical role in environmental 
protection. Their partnership and input is important. Let's have a 
fair, objective, qualified, scientific group, the National Academy of 
Sciences, make the call.
  How much time remains on each side?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska has 57 minutes; the 
Senator from Arkansas has 38 minutes.

  Mr. MURKOWSKI. I yield up to 15 minutes to my friend from the State 
of Nevada.
  Mr. REID. Madam President, this Senator from Nevada would like 20 
minutes, and the junior Senator from Nevada would like 10 minutes.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. That is quite satisfactory.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Nevada is recognized.
  Mr. REID. Madam President, let's put this in proper perspective. Gold 
prices are at the lowest level in 19 years as of just last week. The 
mining industry has seen layoffs. Some of the companies have filed 
bankruptcy. This seems like a very inopportune time to come in and 
attack the mining industry. It is an industry which creates the best 
blue-collar jobs in America. I repeat, the best blue-collar jobs in 
America come from mining.
  Here is the Senator from Arkansas, again, as he does every year, 
attacking the mining industry. This year the attack is at a very 
inopportune time. I repeat, the mining industry is going through some 
very difficult times.
  In spite of paying the highest wages in blue-collar industry in 
America, the mining industry in America is the best in the world. The 
costs of production are extremely low. They are lower than Australia or 
any other country. We are competitive. But it has been very difficult.
  Now, having said that, we also have to recognize that the gold 
industry is a very important industry for the United States. We are a 
net exporter of gold. It is one of the few things that we do that 
creates a favorable balance of trade in America.
  With that as the setting for this amendment, let me say this 
amendment is attempting to strike from the bill language that is very, 
very reasonable. The Secretary of Interior is attempting to do by 
regulation what he can't do by legislation. What right does he have to 
overrule what the will of the Congress is? He has no right to do that. 
He has tried very hard. I am not making this up. He said in 1994 when 
his legislative efforts failed,

       We will explore the full range of regulatory authority we 
     now possess.

  Since that comment, with a vengeance, the Secretary has gotten busy 
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the regulatory side while making no attempt to work with Congress to 
reform the mining law bill. If we had had support from the Secretary's 
office in the past 2 months, we may be here today talking about mining 
law reform rather than hacking away at this Interior bill.
  The Governors, at their meeting in Medora, ND, in June of 1997, 
pointed out in a resolution that the current State programs, as far as 
they are concerned, are working well, and attempts to duplicate them 
should be avoided.
  What we have here is, again, something we like to talk about, but not 
do much about, and that is talk about States rights. States rights are 
very important to our framework of government. We have here a number of 
States which are saying we are willing to work within the Federal 
concept and all the laws that we pass in Washington that affect mining, 
but let us regulate from the State level. This amendment is attempting 
to take that away.
  The Secretary of Interior has proceeded undaunted with his rulemaking 
in spite of how the Governors feel. This led to language being included 
in last year's Interior bill that precluded the Secretary from 
expending funds to rewrite 309. As the chairman of the full committee 
said a few minutes ago, showing absolute disrespect for Congress, the 
Secretary, 3 days after the President signed the Interior bill--we 
stuck language in the bill saying he had to confer with Governors--3 
days after signing that bill, he sent a letter saying that they had 
conferred and complied with the requirement to consult with the 
Governors. Let's be realistic--within 3 days? This was, as chairman of 
the full committee said, an in-your-face remark to Congress from the 
Secretary of Interior's office saying, ``We don't have to consult with 
you.''
  After numerous Governors, both individually and collectively, pleaded 
with the Department not to forge ahead on rulemaking without bringing 
them in the process, he continued. Only after months of letterwriting 
and handwringing did the Secretary send his task force out with a draft 
proposal. After the draft proposal was received, the Governor said, 
``We have seen it; we have looked at it. What are you trying to 
do?'' It doesn't make any sense. The chairman of the full committee, 
the junior Senator from Alaska, held a hearing. At the hearing, the 
Governors testified, ``Where is the demonstrated need to rewrite the 
309 service management regulations?'' There was no response as to why 
it was necessary.

  Madam President, understand that this isn't something that we have 
dreamed up. This isn't some anti-environmental piece of the Interior 
bill. In fact, what this is, is a clear demonstration that the mining 
industry, the Governors from the States where mining is important, and 
the rest of the country where mining is important, are simply saying 
what they want to do is have an independent, unbiased, competent body 
take a look at the present regulations to see if they are OK. We have 
assigned the National Academy of Sciences, one of the foremost 
scientific bodies in the world, to take a look at this. That doesn't 
sound unreasonable to any reasonable person.
  This language is not an anti-environmental rider that would somehow 
gut existing regulations. We don't touch existing regulations. We are 
simply saying that it is within the purview and jurisdiction of 
Congress because it is something that we feel will add to a good 
resolution of this issue.
  The Secretary has proceeded in a cavalier fashion for an outcome that 
would seriously jeopardize the State's role as coregulators with the 
Federal Government in mining. There is talk about the atrocities toward 
the environment in mining. I come from a family where my father was a 
hard rock miner. I have worked in the mines. I went with my dad when I 
was a little boy into the mines. I have to acknowledge that many years 
ago there were a lot of environmental degradations as a result of 
mining. The tailings from the mill just ran out wherever, and the dumps 
were just not located in any specific place.
  In short, the legacy that went on before bears no resemblance to the 
current practices in the mining industry, nor the States' ability to 
regulate mining. They do a good job now. In the past two, two and a 
half decades, tremendous work has been done. I am really tired of 
hearing all the time that the 1872 mining law needs to be revamped. It 
has been over 100 years and we have done nothing. That is a bunch of 
hogwash.
  (Mr. ASHCROFT assumed the Chair.)
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, here are the pieces of legislation, the 
laws, that have been passed that now govern mining: Migratory Bird 
Treaty Act, Fish and Wildlife Coordination Act, Historic Buildings and 
Sites, Fish and Wildlife, National Environmental Policy Act, Clean Air 
Amendments, Federal Water Pollution Control, Endangered Species Act, 
Safe Drinking Water Act, Toxic Substance Control Act, Resource 
Conservation, National Forest Management, Clean Air Act, Federal Mine 
Safety and Health Act, Clean Water Act, Uranium Mill Tailings Radiation 
Act, Archaeological and Historical Preservation, Comprehensive 
Environmental Compensation Liability Act, Superfund, Clean Air 
Amendments of 1990. And there are more.
  The 1872 mining law has been affected numerous times by Federal laws 
that we have passed back here. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent 
to have printed in the Record a list of all the different amendments to 
the 1872 mining law.
  There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

                     Amendments to 1872, Mining Law


                              Federal Laws

       1. National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), 42 U.S.C. 
     4341-4370a: Requires federal agencies to take 
     interdisciplinary approach to environmental decision-making; 
     and requires consideration of environmental impacts for all 
     federal actions (environmental assessments/environmental 
     impact statements).
       2. Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA), 43 
     U.S.C. 1701-1784: Directs Department of Interior to prevent 
     undue and unnecessary degradation of federal lands.
       3. Clean Air Act (CAA), 42 U.S.C. 7401-7642: Requires EPA 
     to designate criteria pollutants and set ambient air quality 
     standards; requires states to develop State Implementation 
     Plans (SIP) to achieve federal ambient air quality standards; 
     requires EPA to set new source performance standards for 
     categories of air pollution sources; requires EPA to set 
     emission standards for sources of hazardous air pollutants; 
     establishes additional level of control to prevent 
     significant deterioration of air quality in certain areas and 
     for certain sources; and allows EPA enforcement of state 
     permits issued under approved SIP.
       4. Federal Water Pollution Control Act (Clean Water Act, 
     CWA), 33 U.S.C. 1251-1387: Requires States to Set and 
     Implement Surface Water Quality Standards; requires EPA to 
     Establish Effluent Limitations and Standards of Performance 
     for Categories of Facilities Discharging to Surface Waters; 
     establishes the National Pollutant Discharge Elimination 
     System (NPDES) for Permitting of Point Source Discharges to 
     Surface Waters; requires States to Develop Management Plans 
     for Control of Non-Point Sources of Surface Water Pollution 
     and to Submit Them to EPA for Approval; establishes Programs 
     for protection of Surface Waters from Dredge and Fill 
     Activities; and establishes a Program for Designation of 
     Reportable Quantities of Oil and Hazardous Substances and 
     Reporting of Releases to Navigable Waters.
       5. Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA), 42 U.S.C. 300f-300j-26: 
     Requires EPA to Set Standards for Quality of Drinking Water 
     Supplied to the Public and Allows States to be Delegated 
     Primary Enforcement Authority; and establishes a Program to 
     Regulate Underground Injection Operations (Including Sand 
     Backfill of Underground Mines) and Allows Delegation of 
     Program to the States.
       6. Solid Waste Disposal Act (SWDA), 42 U.S.C. 6901-6992k: 
     Requires EPA to Establish a Program for Regulating the 
     Generation, Storage and Disposal of Hazardous Waste and 
     Allows Delegation to the States; requires EPA to Establish 
     Guidelines for State Management of Solid, Non-Hazardous 
     Waste; and requires EPA to Establish a Program for Regulating 
     Underground Storage Tanks Containing Petroleum Products and 
     Hazardous Substances and Allows Delegation to the States.
       7. Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation and 
     Liability Act (CERCLA, Superfund), 42 U.S.C. 9601-9675: 
     Requires Owners/Operators to Report Releases of Hazardous 
     Substances to the Environment; requires Owners/Operators to 
     Inventory Chemicals Handled and Report to EPA and the Public; 
     establishes Owners/Operators Liability for Remedial Actions 
     Necessitated by Releases of Hazardous Substance4s; and 
     requires EPA to Establish System of Ranking Relative Hazards 
     at Sites, Create a List of Sites Requiring Remediation and 
     Develop Response and Remediation Plans for Such Sites.
       8. Toxic Substance Control Act (TSCA), 15 U.S.C. 2601-2671: 
     Requires EPA to Establish

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     Regulations for Specific Chemicals in Commerce Which Present 
     an Unreasonable Risk to Health or the Environment.
       9. Endangered Species Act, 16 U.S.C. 1531-1544: Requires 
     Departments of Interior and Commerce to List species of 
     Plants and Animals Which are Threatened with or in Danger of 
     Extinction; requires Department of Interior to Develop 
     Regulations for Protection of Listed Species; and requires 
     Consideration of Requirements of the Act in All Other Federal 
     Actions (Including Bureau of Land Management and Forest 
     Service Approvals to Operate on Public Land).
       10. Migratory Bird Treaty Act, 16 U.S.C. 703-715s: 
     Prohibits the Killing of Nearly All Bird Species.
       11. Rivers and Harbors Act, 33 U.S.C. 401-467e: Prohibits 
     Disposal of Refuse into Navigable Water.
       12. Mining Law of 1872, 30 U.S.C. 22-48: Establishes 
     Procedures for Filing Mining Claims on Public Lands.
       13. National Historic Preservation Act, 16 U.S.C. 470: 
     Requires Consideration of Cultural Resource Preservation in 
     Federal Actions.
       14. Law Authorizing Treasury's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco 
     and Firearms to Regulate Sale, Transport and Storage of 
     Explosives, 18 U.S.C. 841-848: Requires Secretary of the 
     Treasury to Establish Regulations for the Sale, Transport and 
     Storage of Explosives.
       15. Federal Mine Safety and Health Act, 30 U.S.C. 801-962: 
     Authorizes Mine Safety and Health Administration to Set 
     Standards for Protection of Worker Health and Safety at 
     Mining Operations.


                          Federal regulations

       1. Procedures for Implementing National Environmental 
     Policy Act, 40 CFR 6: Establishes EPA Procedures for 
     Complying with NEPA; and establishes Requirements for 
     Contents of Environmental Impact Statement.
       2. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Surface Management 
     Regulations, 43 CFR 3802, 3809: Establishes Requirements for 
     Approval of Activities Including Exploration, Mining, 
     Construction of Access Roads and Power Lines on Public Lands 
     Under BLM Jurisdiction; requires Environmental Assessment/
     Environmental Impact Statement to Address Existing Physical, 
     Biological, Visual, Cultural and Socio-Economic Resources, 
     Impacts on Proposed Activity on These Resources, and 
     Mitigative Measures; requires Activities to be Conducted to 
     Prevent Unnecessary and Undue Degradation; and generally 
     Requires Plans of Operation and Reclamation and Financial 
     Assurance for Reclamation.
       3. Forest Service (FS) Regulations, 36 CFR 228: Establishes 
     Requirements for Approval of Activities Including 
     Exploration, Mining, Construction of Access Roads and Power 
     Lines on Public Lands Under FS Jurisdiction; requires 
     Environmental Assessment/Environmental Impact Statement to 
     Address Existing Physical, Biological, Cultural and Socio-
     Economic Resources, Impacts on Proposed Activity on These 
     Resources, and Mitigative Measures; requires Activities to be 
     Conducted to Minimize Adverse Environmental Impacts Where 
     Feasible; and generally Requires Plans of Operation and 
     Reclamation and Financial Assurance for Reclamation.
       4. Federal Air Quality Regulations, 40 CFR 50-54, 56, 58, 
     60, 66: Establishes Ambient Air Quality Standards and 
     Monitoring Procedures for Criteria Pollutants; establishes 
     New Source Performance Standards and Point Source Monitoring 
     Procedures; and establishes Criteria for Approval of State 
     Implementation Plans.
       5. Federal Water Quality Regulations, 40 CFR 110, 112, 114, 
     116, 117, 122, 123, 125, 130, 136, 230, 232, 401, 421, 436, 
     471, 33 CFR 320-330: Establishes Regulations for Prevention 
     of Discharge of Oil to Surface Waters; establishes Effluent 
     Limitations and a Permit System for Point Source Discharges 
     to Surface Waters (NPDES Program); establishes Requirements 
     for State Surface Water Quality Standard Setting; establishes 
     Effluent Limitations Guidelines Materials in Surface Waters 
     and Wetlands; establishes Requirements for Reporting of 
     Releases of Oil and Hazardous Substances to Navigable Waters; 
     establishes Procedures for Analysis of Pollutants; and 
     establishes EPA and Army Corp of Engineers Requirements for 
     Disposal of Dredge and Fill.
       6. Safe Drinking Water Act Regulations, 40 CFR 141-147: 
     Establishes Primary and Secondary Drinking Water Quality 
     Standards; establishes Procedures for State/Federal 
     Implementation of Drinking Water Standards; and establishes 
     Requirements for Operation of Underground Injection Wells and 
     Procedures for Delegation to the States.
       7. Solid Waste Disposal Act Regulations, 40 CFR 240, 241, 
     243-246, 255-257, 260-268, 280: Establishes Requirements for 
     Management of Hazardous Waste, Including Standards for 
     Generator, Storers, Transporters and Disposers; establishes 
     Requirements for Owners of Underground Tanks Storing 
     Petroleum Products and Hazardous Substances; and establishes 
     Procedures for Delegation of Programs to the States.
       8. Superfund Regulations, 40 CFR 300, 302, 310, 355, 370, 
     372: Establishes the National Contingency Plan for Addressing 
     Remediation of Releases of Hazardous Substances to the 
     Environment, Including the Hazard Ranking System for 
     Determining Which Sites Require Remediation and the National 
     Priorities List of Such Sites; requires Reporting of Releases 
     of Hazardous Substances to the Environment; and establishes 
     Procedures for Owners/Operators to Inventory Chemicals 
     Handled and Report to EPA and the Public.
       9. Toxic Substances Control Act Regulations, 40 CFR 761: 
     Establishes Requirements for Use and Disposal of Asbestos and 
     Polychlorinated Biphenyls (PCBs).
       10. Endangered Species Act List, 50 CFR 17, 222, 226, 227: 
     Lists of all Threatened and Endangered Species of Plants and 
     Animals Subject to Protection Under the Act; establishes 
     Special Rules for Protection of Some Listed Species; and 
     lists Critical Habitat for Some Species.
       11. Historic Preservation Regulations, 36 CFR 800: 
     Establishes Procedures for Federal Actions Regarding 
     Preservation of Cultural Resources.
       12. Explosives Regulation, 27 CFR 55: Establishes 
     requirements for sale, transport and storage of explosives.
       13. Mine Health and Safety Standards, 30 CFR 56, 57: 
     Establishes Standards for Open Pit and Underground Mines for 
     Protection Of Worker Health and Safety.


                               state laws

       1. Nevada Air Pollution Control Law, N.R.S. 445.401-
     445.710: Establishes Authority for Implementing Federal 
     Ambient Air Quality Standards and other Clean Air Act 
     Requirements; and creates State Environmental Commission.
       2. Nevada Water Pollution Control Law, N.R.S. 445.131-
     445.354: Establishes Authority to Control Sources and Ground 
     Water Pollution Including Point and Non-Point Sources and 
     Underground Injection; requires Setting of Surface Water 
     Quality Standards; and establishes Authority for Regulation 
     of Public Drinking Water Supplies.
       3. Nevada Hazardous Waste Disposal Law, N.R.S. 459.400-
     459.600: Establishes Authority for Regulation of Hazardous 
     Waste Management; and establishes Authority to be Delegated 
     Federal Program Under RCRA.
       4. Nevada Solid Waste Disposal Law, N.R.S. 444.440-459.600: 
     Establishes Authority for Regulation of Solid Waste 
     Management; and prohibits Discharge of Sewage Except as 
     Authorized by Appropriate Governing Body.
       5. Nevada Reclamation Law, N.R.S 519A.010-519A.290: 
     Establishes Authority for Reclamation Regulations Applicable 
     on Public and Private Land; and requires Posting of Financial 
     Assurance to Complete Reclamation.
       6. Nevada Underground Storage Tank Laws, N.R.S. 459.800-
     459.856 and N.R.S. 590.700-590.920; Establishes Authority to 
     be Delegated RCRA Program for Management of Underground 
     Storage Tanks; and imposes Fees on Owners/Operator of 
     Petroleum Underground Storage Tanks.
       7. Nevada Wildlife Protection Law, N.R.S. 502.390: 
     Establishes Authority for Regulation of Ponds Containing 
     Chemicals by Nevada Department of Wildlife.
       8. Nevada Water Resources Law, N.R.S. 533.010-533.540, 
     534.010-534.190 and 535.010-535.110: establishes Authority 
     for Designation of Surface and Ground Water Rights; 
     establishes Authority and Procedures for Permitting 
     Construction Of Dams and Impoundments; and establishes 
     Authority to Regulate Drilling, Construction and Abandonment 
     of Water Wells.
       9. Nevada Dredging Law, N.R.S. 503.425: Requires Permit 
     Prior to In-Stream Mining by Dredging.
       10. Nevada Historic Preservation Laws, N.R.S. 381.001-
     381.445, 383.001-383.121 and 384.005-384.210: Establishes 
     Requirements for Mining Operations in State Historic Mining 
     Districts; and establishes Requirements Regarding 
     Disturbances to Native American Burial Grounds.
       11. Nevada Geothermal Resources Law, N.R.S. 534A.010-
     534A.090: Establishes Authority to Regulate Geothermal Wells.
       12. Nevada Mineral Resources Law, N.R.S. 513.011-513.113: 
     Establishes Authority for Regulation of Radioactive 
     Materials.
       13. Nevada Radioactive Materials Law, N.R.S. 459.001-
     459.600: Establishes Authority for Regulation of Radioactive 
     Materials.
       14. Nevada Occupational Health and Safety Law, N.R.S. 
     618.005-618.720: Establishes Authority for Regulation of 
     Boilers and Pressure Vessels.
       15. Nevada Mine Inspection and Safety Law, N.R.S. 512.002-
     512.270: Requires Operator to Provide Notice to State Mine 
     Inspector of Opening and Closing a Mine; requires Operator to 
     Report Production, Mine Activity and Status, Accidents, 
     Injuries, Loss of Life and Occupational Illnesses at Least 
     Annually; and requires Division of Mine Inspection to 
     Annually Inspect All Mines for Health and Safety Concerns.
       16. Nevada Contractor's Law, N.R.S. 624.010-624.360: 
     Requires Contractor's License Prior to Facility Construction.


                           state regulations

       1. Nevada Air Quality Regulations, N.A.C. 445.430-445.944: 
     Sets Ambient Air Quality Standards for Criteria and Toxic 
     Pollutants; and contains Permitting Procedures for Sources of 
     Criteria and Toxic Pollutants.
       2. Nevada Water Pollution Control Regulations, N.A.C. 
     445.070-445.174: Establishes Permit Program for Point Source 
     Discharges to Surface Water; and establishes Permit Program 
     for Construction, Operation and Closure of Mining Facilities 
     (Not Yet Codified in N.A.C.).
       3. Nevada Water Quality Standards, N.A.C. 445.117-445.1395: 
     Establishes Beneficial Uses and Water Quality Standards for 
     All Surface Water Bodies in the State.
       4. Nevada Drinking Water Regulations, N.A.C. 445.244-
     445.262: Establishes Regulations for Quality of Public 
     Drinking Water

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     Supplies (Including Non-Community, Non-Transient Systems Such 
     as Newmont Gold's).
       5. Nevada Hazardous Waste Management Regulations, N.A.C. 
     444.8500-444.9335: Establishes Requirements For Management of 
     Hazardous Waste, Including Standards for Generators, Storers, 
     Transporters and Disposers.
       6. Nevada Solid Waste Disposal Regulations, N.A.C. 444.570-
     444.748: Establishes Standards for Management of Solid, Non-
     Hazardous Waste.
       7. Nevada Underground Injection Control Regulations, N.A.C. 
     445.422-445.4278: Establishes Regulations for Underground 
     Injection Wells (Including Sand Backfill of Underground 
     Mines).
       8. Nevada Sewage Disposal Regulations, N.A.C. 444.750-
     444.840: Establishes Requirements for Disposal of Sewage.
       9. Nevada Reclamation Regulations: Will Require Reclamation 
     of Surface Disturbances Due to Exploration and Mining on 
     Public and Private Lands; and will Require Posting of 
     Financial Assurance to Complete Reclamation.
       10. Nevada Wildlife Protection Regulations N.A.C. 502.460-
     502.495: Requires Permits for Ponds Containing Chemicals 
     Toxic to Wildlife; and requires Owner/Operators to Take 
     Measures to Preclude Wildlife Mortality.
       11. Nevada Geothermal Regulations, N.A.C. 534A.010-
     534A.690: Establishes Requirements for Design and Operation 
     of Geothermal Wells.
       12. Nevada Mineral Resources Regulations, N.A.C. 513.010-
     513.390: Requires Mine Owners/Operators to Annually Report 
     Their Production.
       13. Nevada Radioactive Health Regulations, N.A.C. 459.180-
     459-374: Requires License for Uses of Radioactive Materials 
     (i.e. Densiometers).
       14. Nevada Occupational Safety and Health Regulations, 
     N.A.C. 618.010-618.334: Requires Registration of Boilers and 
     Pressure Vessels Prior to Operation.
       15. Nevada Health and Safety Standards for Open Pits and 
     Underground Mines, N.A.C. 512.010-512.178: Establishes 
     Standards in Addition to Federal Ones for Open Pit and 
     Underground Mining Operations Regarding Protection of Worker 
     Health and Safety.

  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I ask the Chair to advise the Senator when 
he has 5 minutes left of his 20 minutes.
  There has been a lot of talk about how terrible things are in the 
mining industry. Yet, the Bureau of Land Management, a Government 
agency that I have great respect for, that is doing its best, controls 
most of the Federal lands in the State of Nevada.
  The Bureau of Land Management has put out a brochure. This isn't from 
the State of Nevada, the State of Alaska, or the State of Colorado. 
This is from the Federal Government. This applies to Nevada. It says on 
the front, ``BLM, Mining Reclamation, You'd Be Surprised.'' My friend 
from Arkansas talked at great length about how bad cyanide is. Let me 
read from this brochure that is now being put out to everybody who 
wants a copy in the State of Nevada and the other Western States:

       Cyanide is a toxic chemical which is used in most gold and 
     silver mining operations. BLM, again in cooperation with 
     Nevada's State agencies, such as Nevada Department of 
     Wildlife and Nevada Division of Environmental Protection, 
     require that mining operations using cyanide do so in an 
     environmentally sound manner.
       All new ponds containing lethal concentrations of cyanide 
     must be netted or detoxified to prevent wildlife deaths.

  Birds do not die as a result of cyanide:

       All operations using cyanide are inspected at least 
     quarterly by BLM reclamation/compliance specialists.
       Gold or silver ore leached with cyanide must be rinsed to 
     reduce levels to safe standards upon abandonment. Leach 
     facilities are engineered to prevent any ground or surface 
     water contamination.
       All exploration, mine and reclamation plans must be 
     reviewed under the provisions of the National Environmental 
     Policy Act.

  This brochure goes on to show the great things done with reclamation 
in mining. It shows the equipment that is doing this. It is amazing 
what they have done to reclaim the land to its former state.
  There is a mine near my hometown of Searchlight, NV, that is desert. 
When they pull out the Joshua trees, yuccas, and all the others, they 
have a nursery for those. And when that land is reclaimed, they have 
all those plants that they have taken out of the land and they put them 
back in. These aren't a bunch of environmental bandits out there 
tearing up the land.
  The Federal Government agrees. My friend from Arkansas should read 
what the Federal Government wants. I suggest that my friend, the 
Secretary of the Interior, read the publication put out by his own 
agency. I say that about the Secretary of the Interior. He hasn't been 
fair to mining. I respect the work he has done as Secretary of the 
Interior in all areas except for mining, where he hasn't done a very 
good job. He is opposed to mining. He makes big shows when a land 
patent is issued and issues a big check saying it is not fair that we 
have to give this land to some miner. Remember these mining companies 
pay an average of a quarter of a million dollars every time a patent is 
issued. In short, the Secretary should read his own literature. The BLM 
and mining operations are continually looking for the best way to 
revegetate and reclaim mining lands. It shows pictures of it. It shows 
final reclamation at the Pinson Mine.
  I ask unanimous consent that this brochure be printed in the Record.
  There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

                                        Bureau of Land Management,


                                          Nevada State Office,

                                                         Reno, NV.

                 Mining Reclamation--You'd Be Surprised

       You may not know that on public lands in Nevada: All mining 
     and exploration projects on public lands must be reclaimed.
       All new mining operations greater than five acres, on 
     public and private lands in Nevada, must submit a detailed 
     mining and reclamation plan, must be bonded to ensure 
     compliance, and must protect the environment.
       Under the State of Nevada's new mining reclamation law, all 
     operations must comply with numerous environmental protection 
     programs. The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the State 
     of Nevada have developed a cooperative mine plan review 
     process which streamlines the approval process.


 BLM and mining operators are continually looking for the best way to 
                  revegetate and reclaim mined lands.

       Revegetation test plots at Cominco American's mine in Elko 
     County, Nevada, help to determine what combination of seed, 
     fertilizer, mulch and topsoil create the best revegetation 
     results. BLM requires test plots at many mines in Nevada to 
     evaluate local growing and rainfall conditions. These test 
     plots enable mining operators and BLM to determine the most 
     successful revegetation methods.
       You might be surprised to learn that Nevada produced over 
     60% of the Nation's gold in 1990!


              Cooperative efforts enhance Riparian Areas.

       Mining companies are working with the public to restore and 
     revitalize public lands--those affected by old mining 
     operations and even lands not in mining areas. The Sonoma 
     Creek stream bank stability project near Winnemucca 
     demonstrates how cooperation among the various users of 
     public lands can enhance riparian areas in Nevada. Mining 
     industry, ranching and government people all volunteered, 
     with BLM, to build gabions and stream structures to improve 
     the aquatic habitat of Sonoma Creek.
       BLM, public land user groups and the mining industry plan 
     more cooperative efforts in the future. BLM invites the 
     public to help identify and participate in these activities.


                           cyanide management

       Cyanide is a toxic chemical which is used in most gold and 
     silver mining operations. BLM, again in cooperation with 
     Nevada's state agencies, such as the Nevada Department of 
     Wildlife and Nevada Division of Environmental Protection, 
     require that mining operations using cyanide, do so in an 
     environmentally sound manner.
       All new ponds containing lethal concentrations of cyanide 
     must be netted or detoxified to prevent wildlife deaths. All 
     operations using cyanide are inspected at least quarterly by 
     BLM reclamation/compliance specialists.
       Gold or silver ore leached with cyanide must be rinsed to 
     reduce cyanide levels to safe standards upon abandonment. 
     Leach facilities are engineered to prevent any ground or 
     surface water contamination.
       All exploration, mine and reclamation plans must be 
     reviewed under the provisions of the National Environmental 
     Policy Act.


                    excellence in mining reclamation

       In 1990, Governor Bob Miller of Nevada awarded three 
     ``Excellence in Mining Reclamation'' awards to exploration 
     and mining operations in Nevada.
       Pinson Mine, Borealis Mine and Independence Mining Co. were 
     recognized for outstanding and unique practices and projects.

  Mr. REID. This brochure indicates also that mining companies, one of 
which is pictured here, have received an award for excellence in mining 
reclamation.
  Mr. President, the State of Nevada is totally different from the 
State of Alaska. The State of Nevada is the most mountainous State in 
the Union, except for Alaska. We have lots of mountains, over 11,000 
feet high--32 to be exact. Alaska has a lot of water. We don't have a 
lot of water. Mining regulations in the State of Alaska should be 
different than those in the State of

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Nevada. The State of Alaska should have some control in setting the 
standards for mining reclamation, mining bonding and other such things. 
The State of Nevada should have different standards because we live in 
a desert in Nevada. That is the point.
  Each State is subject to different water quality conditions, air-
related issues, issues that stem from local climate conditions, 
disposal criteria, and other issues that are distinct from State to 
State. That is something the Federal Government must recognize, and the 
agency does. The BLM recognizes that because they have different 
standards in each State. That is why the present regulations are 
working pretty well.
  Also, Mr. President, understand this. We have asked the National 
Academy of Sciences to study this. We don't tell them what result to 
reach. We will accept what they come up with. Why shouldn't those who 
want these regulations changed not accept it also? We are not asking 
for some predisposed venue. We are not asking for some agency that is 
going to rule in a certain way. We have asked the finest science body 
in the world to look at these regulations and find out if they make 
sense.
  Mr. President, I will offer a number of exhibits here. One is a 
Western Governors' Conference resolution that indicates there is no 
need for what the Secretary of the Interior is trying to do.
  We have a series of letters from Governors from all over the United 
States talking about why the Secretary is wrong.
  Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent they be printed in the Record.
  There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

                               Western Governors' Association,

                                        Medora, ND, June 24, 1997.

                        Policy Resolution 97-006

     Sponsors: Governors Miller, Leavitt, and Symington.
     Subject: Regulation of mining.


                             a. background

       1. Federal lands account for as much as 86 percent of the 
     lands in certain western states. Most of these lands are 
     ``public lands,'' under the stewardship of the Bureau of Land 
     Mangement (BLM).
       2. The western states have legal jurisdiction over the 
     public lands, and have a strong interest in seeing that the 
     environment is protected on public and private lands within 
     state boundaries. While the BLM manages public lands 
     throughout the country, laws, policies and management 
     decisions for public lands have the most direct impacts on 
     the lives of the citizens of the western states where the 
     greatest amount of public lands are located.
       3. Mining operations on public lands are an important part 
     of the economy of the West. They provide thousands of high-
     paying jobs in predominately rural areas of the West and they 
     provide important revenues to states. The mining industry 
     also continues to play an important role in the nation's 
     economy and security.
       4. Under the Federal Land Policy and Management Act 
     (FLPMA), the BLM has authority to regulate mining and other 
     activities on public lands to ``prevent unnecessary or undue 
     degradation of the lands.'' The BLM adopted rules in 1981--
     known as the 3809 rules--controlling impacts of mining 
     activities on the public lands. These rules contain narrative 
     reclamation standards, require operators to submit a plan of 
     operations for approval including a reclamation plan, and 
     require compliance with federal and state environmental, 
     wildlife protection, cultural resources and reclamation laws.
       5. The Secretary of Interior announced earlier this year 
     his intention to revise the 3809 rules, and appointed a BLM 
     Task Force to explore changes that should be made to the 
     existing rules. The Secretary has directed the Task Force to 
     consider numerous changes to the 3809 rules, including the 
     adoption of significant new environmental regulatory 
     requirements in the form of performance standards.
       6. The BLM 3809 regulations do not exist in a regulatory 
     vacuum. There exists today a large body of federal, state, 
     and local environmental laws and regulations that govern 
     mineral exploration, development and reclamation. This 
     includes Federal laws delegated to the states, such as the 
     Clean Water Act and the Clean Air Act. The existing 3809 
     rules are an important part of the regulation of mining on 
     the public lands.
       7. Western states also have comprehensive state mining 
     regulatory programs, enforced in coordination with federal 
     land management agencies. These state programs set criteria 
     for permitting exploration, development and reclamation of 
     mining operations, with provisions for financial assurance, 
     protection of surface and ground water, designation of post-
     mining land use, and public notice and review.


                     b. governors' policy statement

       1. The Western Governors believe that responsible mining 
     activity on the public lands is important and states have a 
     vital interest in assuring that the environment is protected 
     and that mining sites are reclaimed for productive post-
     mining uses.
       2. Effective regulation of hard rock mining and reclamation 
     operations should continue to utilize and build on existing 
     state programs, state and federal laws and cooperative 
     agreements between state and federal agencies. Because of the 
     geographic and climatic diversity of the states and the 
     location of many mines on a combination of public and 
     adjacent private lands, the states are the most appropriate 
     and sensible level of environmental regulation for mining 
     which occurs on the public lands.
       3. Revisions to 3809 regulations may not be necessary. More 
     consideration should be given to compliance with existing 
     regulations. States have filled and should continue to fill 
     any deficiencies identified in the statutory and regulatory 
     framework and its enforcement. Establishing burdensome or 
     duplicative new BLM regulatory requirements for mining is not 
     in the best interest of states or the nation.
       4. Any new BLM regulations must recognize the dramatic 
     improvements since 1981 in state and federal environmental 
     regulation of mining on public lands and must not duplicate 
     or be inconsistent with those requirements.
       5. The States have concurrent jurisdiction with the BLM 
     over public lands and should therefore be included as 
     partners in any effort to amend the 3809 regulations.
       6. The bonding requirements of the BLM, as published in the 
     Federal Register dated February 28, 1997, should be revisited 
     as part of the effort to amend the 3809 regulations due to 
     the integral nature of bonding with the entire regulatory and 
     reclamation process.
       7. The BLM time frame for regulatory review is too short to 
     provide sufficient review and comment by stakeholders.


                   c. governors' management directive

       1. Direct staff to work with the WGA Mine Waste Task Force 
     to participate in the ongoing effort by the Bureau of Land 
     Management to revise the 3809 regulations, emphasizing the 
     states' interest in avoiding duplication, needless regulatory 
     burdens and in preserving primacy of state regulation in the 
     environmental area.
       2. The Task Force should provide assistance and support to 
     the BLM Task Force on the status and efficacy of state 
     regulatory programs, the status of memoranda of agreement 
     with the BLM, and should make recommendations for how current 
     state programs may be improved where applicable.
       3. This resolution is to be transmitted to the President of 
     the United States, the Vice-President, the Director of the 
     Office of Management and Budget, the Secretary of the 
     Department of the Interior, the Secretary of the Department 
     of Agriculture, all appropriate committees of jurisdiction in 
     the United States Senate and House of Representatives, and 
     the western states' congressional delegation.
                                  ____



                                             State of Arizona,

                                       Phoenix, AZ, June 19, 1998.
     Hon. Frank Murkowski,
     Chairman, Energy & Natural Resources Committee, U.S. Senate, 
         Washington, DC.
       Dear Senator Murkowski: In January 1996, Secretary Babbitt 
     announced that it was the Department of the Interior's (DOI) 
     intent to rewrite the 3809 surface management regulations for 
     hardrock mining. I have followed that process intently and 
     with great concern that such a rewrite of current regulations 
     might produce duplicatory, burdensome and costly new 
     regulations that would place a hardship on states that 
     currently regulate hardrock mining.
       Recently, one of my colleagues, Governor Bob Miller of 
     Nevada, testified at a hearing in the Senate Energy and 
     Natural Resources Committee in Washington, D.C. that there 
     had been no demonstrated need to proceed with a rewrite of 
     the 3809 surface management regulations. Further, that an 
     independent reviewer, such as the National Academy of 
     Sciences, should evaluate the current federal and state 
     regulatory regime to determine if there are deficiencies that 
     need to be addressed.
       I strongly support the approach set forth by my colleague, 
     Governor Miller, and it is my hope that Congress will take 
     action to initiate such a study. Over the past two decades, 
     much has happened at both the state and federal levels to 
     provide for effective surface management of the hardrock 
     mining industry. I believe that the states have an excellent 
     cooperative working relationship with the federal land 
     managers and together are currently doing a good job 
     regulating the mining industry.
       I will continue to work diligently and at every opportunity 
     with all parties on this issue of great importance to my 
     state. I appreciate Congress' continuing interest in this 
     matter.
           Sincerely,
                                                    Jane Dee Hull,
     Governor.
                                  ____



                                                State of Utah,

                                 Salt Lake City, UT, July 8, 1998.
     Hon. Orrin Hatch,
     U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
       Dear Orrin: In January 1996, Secretary Babbitt announced 
     that it was the Department of the Interior's (DOI) intent to 
     rewrite the 3809 surface management regulations for

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     hardrock mining. I have followed that process intently and 
     with great concern that such a rewrite of current regulations 
     might produce redundant, burdensome and costly new 
     regulations that would place a hardship on states that 
     currently regulate hardrock mining.
       Recently, one of my colleagues, Governor Bob Miller of 
     Nevada, testified at a hearing in the Senate Energy and 
     Natural Resources Committee in Washington, D.C. that there 
     had been no demonstrated need to proceed with a rewrite of 
     the 3809 surface management regulations and that an 
     independent reviewer, such as the National Academy of 
     Sciences, should evaluate the current federal and state 
     regulatory regime to determine if there are deficiencies that 
     needed to be addressed.
       I support the approach set forth by my colleague, Governor 
     Miller, and it is my hope that Congress will take action to 
     initiate such a study. Over the past two decades, much has 
     happened at both the state and federal levels to provide for 
     effective surface management of the hardrock mining industry. 
     I believe that the states have an excellent working 
     relationship with the federal land managers and together are 
     currently doing a good job regulating the mining industry.
       I will continue to work diligently and at every opportunity 
     with all parties on this issue of great importance to our 
     states. I appreciate Congress' continuing interest in this 
     matter.
           Sincerely,
                                               Michael O. Leavitt,
     Governor.
                                  ____

                                                 State of Wyoming,


                                       Office of the Governor,

                                       Cheyenne, WY, July 8, 1998.
     Hon. Slade Gorton,
     U.S. Senate, Chairman, Interior Appropriations Subcommittee, 
         Washington, DC.
       Dear Senator Gorton: In January 1996, Secretary Babbitt 
     announced that it was the Department of the Interior's (DOI) 
     intent to rewrite the 3809 surface management regulations for 
     hard rock mining. I have followed that process intently and 
     with great concern that such a rewrite of current regulations 
     might produce redundant, burdensome, and costly new 
     regulations that would place a hardship on states that 
     currently regulate hard rock mining. Recently, one of my 
     colleagues, Governor Bob Miller of Nevada, testified at a 
     hearing in the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee 
     in Washington, D.C. that there had been no demonstrated need 
     to proceed with a rewrite of the 3809 surface management 
     regulations and that an independent reviewer, such as the 
     National Academy of Sciences, should evaluate the current and 
     state regulatory regime to determine if there are 
     deficiencies that need to be addressed.
       I strongly support the approach set forth by my colleague, 
     Governor Miller. It is my hope that Congress will take action 
     to initiate such a study. Over the past two decades, much has 
     happened at both the state and federal levels to provide for 
     effective surface management of the hard rock mining 
     industry. I believe that the states have an excellent working 
     relationship with the federal land managers and together are 
     currently doing a good job of regulation of the mining 
     industry.
       I will continue to work diligently and at every opportunity 
     with all parties on this issue of great importance to our 
     states. I appreciate Congress' continuing interest in this 
     matter.
           Best regards,
                                                     Jim Geringer,
     Governor.
                                  ____



                                       Office of the Governor,

                                         Boise, ID, June 24, 1998.
     Hon. Slade Gorton,
     U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
       Dear Senator Gorton: The Bureau of Land Management has 
     proposed significant revisions to its 3809 surface management 
     regulations for hardrock mining. I have followed this process 
     closely and believe the proposed changes are redundant, 
     burdensome and costly. These revisions, as currently written, 
     would place a hardship on our efforts to regulate mining in 
     Idaho.
       Governor Bob Miller of Nevada has suggested that an 
     independent reviewer, such as the National Academy of 
     Sciences, evaluate the current federal and state regulatory 
     regimes to determine if there are problems that need to be 
     addressed. I support Governor Miller's suggestion and urge 
     you to support efforts to initiate and fund such a study.
           Very truly yours,
                                                   Philip E. Batt,
     Governor.
                                  ____

                                           Office of the Governor,


                                                State Capitol,

                                       Santa Fe, NM, July 2, 1998.
     Hon. Frank Murkowski,
     Chairman, Energy & Natural Resources Committee, U.S. Senate, 
         Washington, DC.
       Dear Senator Murkowski: In January 1996, Secretary Babbitt 
     announced that it was the Department of the Interior's (DOI) 
     intent to rewrite the 3809 surface management regulations for 
     hard rock mining. I have followed the process of regulatory 
     development, and am greatly concerned that this rewrite is an 
     attempt by DOI to interfere with and override state 
     regulatory programs that currently have jurisdiction over 
     hard rock mines.
       New Mexico's hard rock mining law is one of the best in the 
     country, and has jurisdiction over mines on federal, state, 
     and private lands. The draft regulations DOI has proposed are 
     not more stringent than those of New Mexico, but they could 
     create significant problems for our program and our mines by 
     imposing conflicting requirements, and establishing an 
     unnecessary process for oversight and program certification.
       Recently, one of my colleagues, Governor Bob Miller of 
     Nevada testified at a hearing in the Senate Energy and 
     Natural Resources Committee in Washington, D.C. that there 
     had been no demonstrated need to proceed with a rewrite of 
     the 3809 surface management regulations. He suggested further 
     that an independent reviewer, such as the National Academy of 
     Sciences, should evaluate the current federal and state 
     regulatory regime to determine if there are deficiencies that 
     need to be addressed.
       Despite frequent requests from the concerned states, DOI 
     has not provided any evidence that the current 3809 
     regulatory structure is not working. Problems with 3809 are 
     largely anecdotal, and commonly related to abandoned mines, 
     which would not be addressed by the proposed rewrite. New 
     Mexico and other western states have filled in the gaps they 
     perceived in 3809 with state laws. New Mexico has an 
     excellent working relationship with the federal land 
     managers, and together we are doing a good job regulating the 
     mining industry. The evidence is before us daily. It appears 
     most appropriate that DOI should assemble this evidence, 
     present it to your committee and allow our elected 
     representatives to decide what is best for the states they 
     represent.
       This process of regulatory development cries out for a 
     concrete foundation to justify the time and expense that all 
     parties are committing to it. I appreciate your continuing 
     interest in this matter, and hope you will consider 
     requesting DOI or another reviewer to provide that foundation 
     before the process moves any further.
           Sincerely,
                                                  Gary E. Johnson,
                                                         Governor.

  Mr. REID. Mr. President, we had testimony taken at Chairman 
Murkowski's hearing in the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources of 
a number of different people. I ask unanimous consent that it be 
printed in the Record, together with a letter from the Western 
Governors.
  There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

  Excerpt From a Hearing Held by the Committee on Energy and Natural 
Resources, Subcommittee on Forests and Public Land Management, Tuesday, 
                             April 28, 1998


            statement of hon. bob miller, governor of nevada

       Governor Miller. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. In many 
     respects, I can just say ``ditto.'' In any case, I do 
     appreciate the opportunity to join Nevada's two Senators, 
     Harry Reid and Dick Bryan, to testify today on this 
     legislation.
       This is not the first time I have spoken to this committee 
     about the need to bring reform to the Nation's mining law, a 
     law that was enacted 125 years ago, in 1872. For example, in 
     1993, I expressed my opposition to Senate bill 257, the 
     Mineral Exploration and Development Act. Since then, there 
     have been several attempts to resolve the debates regarding 
     the reform of the 1872 mining law.
       While reform measures are never easy, I appreciate this 
     committee's persistence in trying to find common ground.
       I opposed S. 257 for the same reason that I oppose S. 326 
     and S. 327 today. These bills threaten the survival of one of 
     Nevada's mainstay industries, an industry which is critical 
     to the economic health of many rural communities.
       It is well known that Nevada was founded on mining. What 
     may not be as well known is that Nevada continues to be a 
     world leader in gold production and produces the most silver, 
     magnesite, and barite in the Nation. Remarkably, Nevada has 
     achieved these production levels and is arguably the most 
     environmentally responsible mining region in the world. Yet, 
     I do not advocate the status quo.
       Congress and the States should continue to work with the 
     industry and the environmental community to minimize mining's 
     effects on the land and on other land users.
       All of us here today are concerned about mining reform, the 
     industry, and the environment. The questions of a fair patent 
     law to the taxpayers, mining contribution to the Federal 
     Treasury through a royalty and the environmental 
     responsibility of mining operations are all legitimate 
     concerns.
       We must weigh these concerns with the knowledge that the 
     mining industry is an important contributor to the Nation's 
     economy, and to my State's economy in particular.
       Nevada's mining renaissance has created approximately 
     13,000 jobs directly related to mining, with an additional 
     45,000 jobs indirectly related to the industry. These are 
     high paying jobs that average close to $50,000 per year.
       Rural communities, such as Austin, Carlin, Elko, and 
     Winnemucca, are all dependent on a vibrant mining industry. 
     As all of you wrestle with these issues, I would hope that 
     you would keep in mind those communities

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     and those families who built a future around a moderate, 
     environmentally sensitive mining industry.
       I believe that S. 1102, the Mining Law Reform Act of 1997, 
     shows significant progress toward resolving the debates about 
     mining law. While minimal change could be made to the 
     bill, it is time to reach finality.
       For too long, the mining industry has operated with 
     uncertainty about the future of mining law. The industry must 
     account for many variables that have profound effects on our 
     communities. The price of gold, for instance, is testament to 
     the vulnerability of this industry in an ever changing global 
     market.
       Since July of 1997, the U.S. has lost 2,200 operational 
     jobs from the mining industry as a result of the drop of the 
     price of gold. Over the past 4 months, approximately 680 jobs 
     have been lost in Nevada.
       To illustrate the point, the market value of gold is 
     hovering at around $300 per ounce. In comparison, production 
     costs per ounce of gold average at best in Nevada between 
     $260 to $280 per ounce. Many mines throughout the Nation 
     operate at well over $300 per ounce. It is imperative that we 
     minimize the variables and eliminate the uncertainty about 
     mining reform.
       While I am familiar with the contents of each of these 
     bills, I will confine my comments to some of the broader 
     aspects of each as they relate to the reform of mining law.
       There are mining law experts here today, obviously, who can 
     go into much greater depth.
       First, I would like to make some brief remarks about the 
     Department of Interior initiative to amend its reclamation 
     regulations, termed the 3809 regulations, which I am sure the 
     Secretary will address in a few moments.
       Since the beginning of this initiative, I have questioned 
     the legitimacy of, in essence, changing mining law through an 
     administrative process. I not only have had questions about 
     the motivations, but, moreover, I have had concerns about the 
     process by which the Department of Interior is amending these 
     regulations. But after repeated complaints about the process 
     through the Western Governor's Association, where we have a 
     nearly unanimous vote on this issue, the issue of process has 
     been dealt with.
       However, I continue to have substantive concerns with 
     regard to the direction in which the proposed amendments are 
     going. In short, Interior is moving the responsibility for 
     environmental oversight of mining operations in my State and 
     other States to here in Washington, D.C.
       This attempt at seizure of control by Interior is 
     particularly perplexing in view of the fact that many States, 
     especially Nevada, have moved aggressively to address the 
     environmental concerns of mining operations.
       To date, there has been no real justification offered by 
     the department regarding the need to make changes other 
     than--and I quote a memo of January 6, 1997--directing the 
     department to begin the process of drafting such 
     regulations. It states: ``It is plainly no longer in the 
     public interest to wait for Congress to enact legislation 
     that corrects the remaining shortcomings of the 3809 
     regulations. Instead, the time has come to resume the 
     process of modernizing the 3809 regulations first promised 
     at the end of the Carter Administration and begun at the 
     end of the Reagan Administration. To that end, I direct 
     you to restart this rulemaking process by preparing and 
     publishing proposed regulations.''
       During my tenure as Governor, I have overseen the adoption 
     of Nevada's State law requiring reclamation of all lands 
     disturbed by mining. My State has also developed 
     comprehensive regulations governing water quality standards 
     of mining operations. These requirements are working well 
     because they were crafted with a great deal of cooperative 
     effort by the environmental community, the mining industry, 
     and State and Federal regulators.
       Instead of proposing changes without sufficient 
     justification, Interior should work with the States, the 
     industry, and the environmental community to pinpoint the 
     possible needed modifications regarding reclamation.
       Or perhaps Congress could help us with this impasse by 
     requesting an independent evaluation of the 3809 regulations 
     by a third party, such as the National Academy of Sciences.
       I believe that this type of study would determine that 
     Nevada's reclamation law could serve as the model for the 
     rest of the States.
       On two separate occasions, the United States Environmental 
     Protection Agency has praised Nevada for its hardrock mining 
     regulatory program, declaring that, ``Nevada's regulations 
     are considered to be among the best, the most comprehensive, 
     and several gold mining States now have or are developing 
     similar requirements.''
       The preferable solution to the 3809 debate is the passage, 
     in my opinion, of S. 1102. The sponsors of this bill wisely 
     propose a comprehensive approach to mining reform which 
     offers reasonable answers to all of the major issues, 
     including permitting and surface management, royalties, 
     patents, and abandoned mines.
       On the other hand, S. 326 and the Abandoned Hardrock Mines 
     Reclamation Act and S. 327, the Hardrock Mining Royalty Act 
     are piecemeal remedies that resemble previously proposed 
     legislation which Nevada and this committee have consistently 
     found unacceptable.
       The mine permitting and surface management provisions 
     within S. 1102 will conform to those activities already being 
     conducted by our State regulators, as well as the U.S. Bureau 
     of Land Management. S. 1102 defers to existing State 
     reclamations and bonding requirements where they meet the 
     intentions of the Federal act. And the bill references 
     the other State and Federal acts already used to regulate 
     mining activities with respect to the environment.
       One of the most widespread criticisms of the 1872 mining 
     law is its lack of royalty. S. 1102 details a methodology to 
     collect a 5 percent net royalty proceeds that is fair to the 
     public and the industry. This royalty, as you stated, Mr. 
     Chairman, closely resembles the State of Nevada's net 
     proceeds system, which has proven to be highly effective.
       Nevada's system generates millions of dollars annually, 
     approximately $29 million during Fiscal Year 1997 alone. The 
     administrative cost of our program is about $200,000 
     annually, or \1/2\ of 1 percent of the revenue.
       S. 327's 5 percent net smelter royalty return would cripple 
     the production of minerals by taxing anywhere from estimates 
     of 92 percent to 98 percent of a mine's gross income. In 
     addition to the serious, immediate negative impact, the long-
     term effects are significant because the growth of the 
     industry would likely halt or be limited due to the high 
     royalty level.
       Congress should focus on placing royalty on the value of 
     Federal mines after costs associated with finding and 
     producing those minerals are subtracted. Such royalty would 
     be on the value of the mineral in the ground, before any 
     additional value was added.
       A royalty has to be found that does not close mines and 
     stop new development. I believe that S. 1102 passes that 
     test.
       While S. 326 has no royalty provisions, it would charge a 
     reclamation fee which would be in addition to other 
     royalties, such as proposed in S. 327, thereby creating an 
     even greater burden on miners. The appropriate vehicle to 
     fund abandoned mine clean-up is found also in S. 1102.
       The patenting is an essential means to insure the 
     production of minerals. Patenting mitigates the risk of 
     losing the substantial financial investments taken by mining 
     operations during the often long permitting periods.
       While S. 327 would abolish this necessary security process, 
     S. 1102 would change the patent prices to reflect the value 
     of today's public land. It would wisely halt the $2.50 to $5 
     per acre fee and sell the patent for the surface land's fair 
     market value, which I think you addressed also.
       Reclaiming Nevada's abandoned mines is a tall task, one 
     which the State has aggressively worked to address. With 
     funding through modest assessments on the industry which have 
     been supported by the industry, Nevada has been able to 
     secure over 4,000 abandoned mine sites. Yet there are 
     thousands more sites that need attention to prevent risk to 
     public health.
       S. 1102 establishes an acceptable funding mechanism to 
     continue this effort and to secure dangerous sites.
       Senator Craig has addressed the major issues pertaining to 
     mining law reform in a way that is good for the public, the 
     environment, and the industry, and I compliment him and all 
     of the other sponsors for their work in support of reasonable 
     mining reform.
       As this committee and the Senate further address this 
     issue, I hope that you keep in mind, as I said previously, 
     the communities that rely on mining. This industry has built 
     towns and communities throughout the West which need to be 
     kept at the forefront of the thought process as you proceed 
     with this issue.
       Thank you very much for the opportunity to appear, Mr. 
     Chairman.
                                  ____



                               Western Governors' Association,

                                   Denver, CO, September 15, 1997.
     Hon. Harry Reid,
     Senator, Washington, DC.
       Dear Senator Reid: We, the undersigned, thank you for your 
     efforts and support to include states with hard rock mining 
     on public lands as co-regulators in the Bureau of Land 
     Management's current 3809 rulemaking process. We commend you 
     for highlighting that states have legal jurisdiction, 
     concurrent with the Secretary of the Interior's jurisdiction, 
     to regulate activities on the public lands.
       As you know, the states impose strict controls on mining 
     activities on both public and private lands within their 
     borders. Our states work closely with federal land management 
     agencies--often through cooperative agreements--to ensure 
     that mining activities are comprehensively regulated to 
     control environmental impacts. These federal-state 
     partnerships should be preserved not disrupted by new federal 
     regulations adopted without the appropriate justification or 
     state input.
       Representatives of the Bureau of Land Management and the 
     Department of Interior did consult with western state mining 
     regulatory staff prior to the formal scoping meetings for 
     developing an Environmental Impact Statement for the proposed 
     rulemaking. However, it became clear during that meeting that 
     BLM's rulemaking was undertaken not because of identified 
     problems on-the-ground but because there was direction to do 
     so from the Department of Interior. It appears that direction 
     essentially is framing the rulemaking rather than a 
     conclusive study such as that called for in your amendment. 
     Attached for your information is a

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     copy of state comments to the Department summarizing the 
     issues raised at that meeting and a copy of a resolution 
     western governors adopted on the subject in June.
       We want to bring to your attention the fact that the 
     Unfunded Mandates Act of 1995 exempted from FACA 
     consultations between state and federal governments that 
     involve their intergovernmental responsibilities and 
     administration. We support that exemption. Your amendment's 
     creation of a unique advisory committee for the purpose of a 
     joint study, however, does not appear to undermine the 
     exemption created by the Act.
       In closing, we support your amendment because it recognizes 
     our concerns about the states' role as co-regulator and it 
     stresses the need to avoid regulatory duplication. We will 
     make our staff available to the Department of the Interior as 
     well as committees of Congress to ensure that we work 
     together to protect the environment in a coordinated, cost-
     effective manner.
       Thank you, again, for the interest you have shown in the 
     states' role in environmental management and regulation.
           Sincrely,
     Bob Miller,
       Governor, State of Nevada.
     Phil Batt,
       Governor, State of Idaho.
     Gary Johnson,
       Governor, State of New Mexico.
     Jane Dee Hull,
       Governor, State of Arizona.
     Mike Leavitt,
       Governor, State of Utah.
     Marc Racicot,
       Governor, State of Montana.
     Ed Schafer,
       Governor, State of North Dakota.
     Jim Geringer,
       Governor, State of Wyoming.

  Mr. REID. Mr. President, what we have to realize here is that this is 
an effort to be fair. The language in the bill calls for a study by the 
National Academy of Sciences. I repeat. We have not asked them to find 
in any certain way. Whatever they come up with is what we will go along 
with.
  I think that we owe the American people an honest debate about the 
current regulations for hard rock mining and all the disasters that 
have gone on in the past. There are a number of Superfund sites. That 
is one reason Superfund was passed--because of environmental 
degradation that had taken place in the years gone by. Mining was part 
of that. We are not part of that anymore. I think that is good.
  We owe the American people an honest debate about the current 
regulations of hard rock mining. We owe them the opportunity to know 
about mining, and for the first time the truth about the environmental 
practices employed by modern-day mining--not what went on 30 years, 40 
years, 50 years, or 100 years ago. We owe the tens of thousands of 
Americans who make a living at mining--or some occupation that relies 
on mining--to know that certainly their jobs will be there when they 
show up in the morning.
  I say to everyone within the sound of my voice mining affects more 
than the people that go down in the Earth or into the open pits. It 
affects more than them because we have industries all over America that 
rely on mining. These huge trucks that haul the ore out of the open pit 
operations cost over $2 million. To replace the tires on one of those 
trucks costs over $25,000 each. Underground operations are very 
expensive. That equipment comes from other parts of the United States 
other than the western part of the United States.
  This industry is important to the economic viability of this country. 
There is no one in this body, the Department of the Interior, or the 
mining industry that can predict the outcome of the review conducted by 
the National Academy of Sciences. I can almost assure you the results 
will be fair. That is all we are asking.
  But let me say that I think we should approach this on a nonemotional 
basis. When the study is completed, we will go forward as indicated in 
the language that is in this bill with whatever they recommend.
  Mr. President, it is important that this amendment fail. It is not 
good legislation. It is something we have debated time and time again--
just in a different setting.
  I ask my colleagues to join in doing what is right for an industry 
that is very important to the economic viability of this country.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, might I ask what time remains on either 
side? Senator Bumpers is controlling the amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Each side has approximately 38\1/2\ minutes 
remaining.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. I thank my colleague, the Senator from Nevada. I yield 
time to Senator Bryan.
  Mr. BRYAN. Mr. President, I thank the chairman.
  Mr. President, I rise in opposition to the Bumpers amendment.
  This past summer, as I have each summer since being a Member of the 
Senate, I spent most of my time in what we in Nevada refer to as ``cow 
county'' in rural Nevada. Most of that time I spent in places that are 
not widely known outside of Nevada. I was in Wells, Wendover, Elko, 
Battle Mountain, Winnemucca, Lovelock, Ely --some of the smaller 
communities in our State, but communities that are very dependent upon 
mining as the principal base of their economy.
  In the northeastern part of our State, as a result of the situation 
that relates to the international pricing of gold at or near record 
levels over the last 20 years, these communities are hurt. These are 
good-paying jobs of $46,000 or $47,000 a year with the full range of 
health benefits. They are premier jobs. These communities are hurting. 
Sales tax collections are down.
  So this is a major concern about what is happening to the principal 
economic base in the northeastern part of our State, which is a mining 
industry.
  I rise in opposition to the amendment offered by my friend and 
colleague from Arkansas that would prevent the National Academy of 
Sciences from studying Federal and State environmental regulations 
applicable to hard rock mining on Federal lands.
  As many of my colleagues from the West are aware, the Interior 
Department is proposing major revisions of the regulations that govern 
hard rock mining on public lands known as 3809 regulations. The 
regulations were originally promulgated in 1980 and require miners to 
submit plans for operations for approval by the BLM. The existing 
regulations require mine operators to comply with all Federal and State 
environmental laws and regulations, require that lands disturbed by 
mining be reclaimed, and require that bonds be posted to assure that 
reclamation is complete.
  The State of Nevada has one of the toughest--if not the toughest--
State reclamation programs in America. Nevada mining companies are 
subject to a myriad of Federal and State environmental laws and 
regulations, including the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, and the 
Endangered Species Act, among many others.

  Mining companies must secure literally dozens of environmental 
permits prior to commencing mining activities, including a reclamation 
permit, which must be obtained before a mineral exploration project or 
mining operation can be conducted.
  Companies must also file a surety or a bond with the State and the 
Federal land manager in an amount to ensure the reclamation of the 
entire site prior to receiving a reclamation permit.
  Let me just say parenthetically that both as Governor and Senator I 
have been to these mining locations for many, many years. Mining today 
is much different than mining was even a generation ago, and much, much 
different than it was a century ago.
  Some of the well-advertised misdeeds of mines in the past have to be 
freely acknowledged as something that is a source of major concern in 
terms of its environmental impact. I think it is an embarrassment to 
the modern-day mine manager whose philosophy and approach is much 
different and who is sensitive to the concerns as to the environmental 
impact. That represents the new Nevada and the mining operations that 
exist in my State with which I have firsthand familiarity.
  A number of the Western Governors, including our own Governor of 
Nevada, Governor Bob Miller, have expressed genuine concern about the 
3809 rulemaking--that it will unnecessarily duplicate existing Federal 
and State regulatory programs. Governor Miller, in his testimony before 
the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee earlier this year, 
suggested that Congress call for an independent evaluation of the need 
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the National Academy of Sciences would be an appropriate organization 
to conduct a sufficient study. I concur. The academy has a preeminent 
reputation for fairness and balance. This is not a committee that is 
associated with the mining industry, nor controlled directly or 
indirectly by them.
  I am pleased that the Appropriations Committee saw fit to follow the 
suggestion of Governor Miller, because I must express that I, too, have 
serious questions concerning the need for the Interior Department's 
proposed regulations and revisions. The current 3809 regulations 
require compliance with all existing Federal and State environmental 
standards and requirements, including the Clean Water Act, the State 
water quality standards in particular.
  The Interior Department proposes to add a new layer of requirements 
on top of existing laws for both surface and ground water which extends 
beyond the agency's regulatory reach--far beyond management and 
protection of Federal lands. These proposed rules, if adopted, would 
result in inconsistent or duplicative water quality standards or 
technology requirements because BLM can no longer accept State or EPA 
determinations as compliance with the 3809 regulations. I must say it 
is somewhat ironic that the duplication of existing Federal and State 
water quality programs resulting from this proposal will, in my 
judgment, impose substantial additional costs on the Bureau of Land 
Management without any corresponding environmental benefits.
  The proposed regulations allow States to continue the common practice 
of joint administration of mine regulation--and this is significant--
but impose unrealistic demands for Federal approval of State programs. 
The Interior regulations will effectively federalize reclamation laws 
in all of the Western States even on non-Federal land because the 
States must amend their laws and regulations to comply with the Federal 
model in order to enter into an agreement for joint administration. 
Interior has proposed this requirement without any showing that 
existing State reclamation laws and programs are inadequate.
  And finally, the proposed regulations include numerous additional 
procedural and substantive requirements that will encourage delay in 
mine permitting and appeals and litigation over permitting decisions. 
It is clear that the Secretary of Interior is attempting to rewrite the 
mining law through the regulatory process. I share the Secretary's 
desire to update the mining law, and I would say for the record that 
Nevada's mining industry is in the forefront of recognizing that the 
mining law of 1872 needs to be updated. But that is a job for Congress, 
not unelected bureaucrats. I am hopeful that the discussions that have 
been occurring between my colleague, Senator Bumpers, and the mining 
industry will lead to an agreement on mining law. In the interim, 
however, I think it is important that we allow the National Academy of 
Sciences to assess the need for the Interior Department's proposed 
regulations, and for that reason I urge my colleagues to defeat the 
Bumpers amendment.
  I yield the floor.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI addressed the Chair.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska is recognized.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. How much time remains on this side?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska controls 30 minutes 20 
seconds.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. I thank the Chair. And remaining on the other side is?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Thirty-eight minutes 35 seconds.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. I thank the Chair. I will accommodate the Senator from 
Arkansas if he desires to speak at this time.
  Mr. BUMPERS addressed the Chair.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Arkansas is recognized.
  Mr. BUMPERS. My good friend and colleague from Alaska, Senator 
Murkowski, mentioned the fact that I come from a State where poultry is 
a big industry, which, indeed, it is. And they have been taking a lot 
of hits lately. Tyson Foods, which is by far the biggest poultry 
company in the United States, has been fined by the State of Maryland, 
been made to change their operations. The Secretary of Agriculture 
announced last week that we need a totally new set of regulations 
dealing with animal waste, including poultry. They are subject to all 
kinds of regulations. I have been here for 24 years now, and I defy any 
Senator to tell me one time I ever objected to a regulation that dealt 
with the environment where the poultry industry was involved. I wonder 
if the Senator from Alaska would tell us how he would feel if I came in 
here knowing that the poultry industry was creating an environmental 
disaster and said, well, I want 27 more months to study it--if last 
year I came here with a proposal saying you can't do anything to the 
poultry industry until every Governor in the country or every Governor 
whose State has poultry signs off on it, and, once you get that in 
place, say, well, all the Governors have to be consulted, and you get 
that in place, and then I come back and say, no, we need 27 more months 
to study it.
  I don't know how people would react to that. I expect rather 
severely. But I will tell you one of the differences. Very few States 
have hard rock mining on Federal lands.
  Incidentally, I might just at this point say, Mr. President, there 
was an editorial a couple weeks ago in the New York Times entitled 
``Time for Mining Law Reform.'' I ask unanimous consent to have that 
printed in the Record.
  There being no objection, the editorial is ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

                       Time for Mining Law Reform

       With very little fanfare, the White House recently released 
     a three-paragraph statement announcing the formal transfer of 
     the New World Mine site to the United States Forest Service. 
     Thus ended, officially and happily, a four-year struggle to 
     prevent a Canadian mining company and its American subsidiary 
     from building an environmentally treacherous gold mine near 
     the border of Yellowstone National Park. But the forces that 
     defeated the mine, including the Clinton Administration, have 
     one more task ahead of them. That is to overhaul the 1872 
     Mining Law, the antiquated Federal statute that made it so 
     easy for the company to acquire the mine site in the first 
     place.
       Signed by Ulysses S. Grant to encourage Western 
     development, the law gives mining companies virtually 
     automatic access to Federal land and allows them to take 
     title to that land for a few dollars an acre--a process know 
     as patenting. The law does not provide for ``suitability'' 
     review to determine whether the mining operation could cause 
     unacceptable environmental damage. It also allows companies 
     that mine hard-rock minerals like gold and platinum to escape 
     any royalties similar to those paid by companies that extract 
     oil and coal from Federal lands. Finally, the law does not 
     require companies to clean up abandoned sites. According to 
     the Mineral Policy Center, an environmental group, a century 
     of unregulated mining has left behind 557,000 abandoned 
     mines, 50 billion tons of waste and 10,000 miles of dead 
     streams.
       Powerful Western senators have always managed to block 
     reform. Nevertheless, Senator Dale Bumpers, long a champion 
     of reform, plans to use his final months in office before he 
     retires to push for something meaningful on the books. The 
     Arkansas Democrat has offered three related bills that would 
     end the patenting system, impose a royalty on the minerals 
     the mining companies extract and use that money to begin 
     cleaning up old mine sites.
       The proposed environmental safeguards could be stronger. 
     There is, for example, no suitability provision that would 
     allow the Government to insulate certain lands from any 
     mining at all. This is a serious flaw, but years of 
     legislative futility have persuaded Mr. Bumpers that to 
     insist on such safeguards would doom even the modest reforms 
     he has proposed. He also believes that ending the patenting 
     system--which effectively allows mining companies to 
     privatize public lands--would make a big difference because 
     it would expose the companies to Federal environmental 
     regulations they can now safely ignore.
       Mr. Bumpers concedes that those regulations need to be made 
     stronger, a task that Bruce Babbitt, the Secretary of the 
     Interior, has pledged to undertake. The ever-resourceful 
     Western Republicans have also anticipated that threat, 
     saddling this year's Interior appropriations bill with a 
     rider blocking Mr. Babbitt from issuing stronger rules for at 
     least two years--at which point they hope to have a less 
     conservation-minded secretary running Interior. That is one 
     more reason for President Clinton to veto that bill, which is 
     loaded with other destructive riders. Meanwhile, the Senate 
     should approve the Bumpers proposal, which, despite its 
     flaws, represents real progress. Its passage would give the 
     victory at Yellowstone lasting resonance.

  Mr. BUMPERS. This says exactly what I have been saying, and that is, 
the President ought to veto the Interior Appropriations bill if my 
amendment is defeated. And I personally think he will.
  With all these disasters which I have addressed, all we have had is 
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after another. In 1993 they said, ``Well, we are working on a mining 
bill,'' and in 1994 the same people who said we are working on a mining 
bill and we should not deal with these regulations did everything they 
could to stall until 2 weeks before we were to go home to make sure 
there was no mining bill.
  And then last year they said, ``We want all the Governors to have a 
say in this. Don't put a regulation into effect that prohibits the 
leakage of cyanide from a gold mining site unless all the Governors 
have signed off on it.'' They backed off that and they said, ``Well, 
they have to be consulted.'' We said, ``Fine, they ought to be 
consulted.'' So they were consulted. And the president of the Western 
Governors' Association told the Senate Energy Committee that ``We have 
been consulted.'' So what do they do then? They come back and say, 
``Well, now we want the National Academy of Sciences to study the 
regulations''--anything under God's sun to keep from dealing with an 
unmitigated disaster.
  Why are the people of America indifferent? They don't even know about 
it. There is no hard rock mining in my State. I am not running for 
reelection, but if I were running for reelection I wouldn't get any 
votes in my State out of this issue. As Gilda Radner used to say--``if 
its not one thing, its another.'' And the Senator from Alaska alluded 
to the fact that I had, indeed, been working with the National Mining 
Association trying to craft something to reform the 1872 law that 
Ulysses Grant passed and has been such an unmitigated disaster for this 
Nation. Think about a law still on the books that Ulysses Grant signed 
to encourage people to go West. Is that a legitimate reason for 
allowing this 126-year-old bill to stay on the books--encourage people 
to go West? That is what we are dealing with.
  And the Senator from Alaska said he and Senator Craig had a bill, and 
I asked them not to bring it up. That is true. I did that because I 
thought we were going to make a deal. The Chairman of the National 
Mining Association--who is a very fine, honorable man, in my opinion, a 
man of immense integrity--and I worked extremely well together. We were 
honest with each other, and our staffs developed a draft proposal. 
Unfortunately, that was before we ran it by the Western Senators. Two 
Western Senators said we can't do this. And the Senator from Alaska 
said the reason they didn't bring up the bill he and Senator Craig 
crafted was because he thought we had a deal. I thought I had a deal, 
too.
  The bill they wanted to bring up, the bill they crafted and they said 
it was too late to bring up, let me tell you what it would do. It says, 
first, that environmental regulations promulgated by the Secretary of 
Interior cannot be stronger than the State where the mine is located. 
Think of that. There is no point in even having a Federal regulation. 
Each State would be a king with regard to mining on Federal land. Every 
State would determine what the environmental regulations would be, 
because the Federal regulations promulgated by the Secretary of 
Interior could be no stronger than the State regulations of a 
particular State where a mine was located.
  How foolish can you get? And, when it came to the royalty, they would 
grandfather every mining company holding a valid claim. There are 
300,000 claims in this country. If you grandfather everybody who has a 
valid claim, you would not collect enough royalties in the next 30 
years to buy a ham sandwich. There is nobody to pay it. After all, 
people have been buying Federal lands for $2.50 an acre for the last 
130 years. You cannot charge them a royalty because they own the land. 
We sold it to them for the princely sum of $2.50. So when you take all 
of them and everybody else who turns up with a valid claim, there is 
nobody left to pay a royalty.
  Mr. President, let me make a philosophical point. I am an unabashed, 
card-carrying, hardened environmentalist. In 1970, when I ran for 
Governor in my State the first time, the environment was just then 
becoming an issue in this Nation, albeit a fairly low key one. But it 
made a lot of sense to me, based on what I had read, and so I began to 
talk about the environment. I began to talk about Arkansas' magnificent 
rivers and streams and how they were being polluted. I began to think.
  In 1966, I went fishing on the Buffalo River, the most beautiful 
river in America. It was so magnificent. I had no idea that my own 
State had such a treasure. Two nights we camped out on a sandbar. We 
ate and we drank and we created a lot of garbage, and the tour guide 
took all the garbage that we created and put it in a plastic bag, waded 
out as far as he could into the river, and tossed it. And nobody 
thought a thing in the world about it. Finally, after a little bit of 
that, somebody began to raise the question about the Buffalo River 
being polluted.
  To shorten the story, we made it a national scenic river. It is a 
pristine, clean river. People come from all over the world just to camp 
out on the banks of the Buffalo or to fish the Buffalo. It was not even 
popular with the local people when we made the Buffalo River a national 
treasure, and today there is not anybody up there who would go back to 
the old ways. So, yes, you are being addressed by a card-carrying 
environmentalist.
  Do you know the other reason? I have three children and six 
grandchildren. We talk about how much we love them, how they are our 
most precious possession, how our whole life is calculated to make life 
more pleasant for them, and then we come in here to vote for trash like 
this.
  We only have one planet. God, in his infinite wisdom and in the 
heavens, gave us one planet to sustain us forever. Not next week, not 
next year--forever. We say, ``Well, God certainly didn't mean to stop 
putting cyanide poison into our underground aquifers and our streams 
and rivers, because there are jobs involved in this. God didn't intend 
that.'' No--that is how specious the arguments are that I have been 
listening to this morning. So you only get one chance to preserve the 
planet.
  You can buy these arguments about, well, what is wrong with the 
National Academy of Sciences studying the rules for mining? Nothing, 
except they have already studied it. Everybody studied it. There are 
GAO reports galore. If the National Academy of Sciences is so important 
to us, why was it not mentioned last year, and the year before and the 
year before that? It is a nicely crafted idea, because at the 
fundraisers, if anybody raises the question, you can say, ``What is the 
problem with the National Academy of Sciences--it is a very prestigious 
organization--studying the rules on how we are going to mine?''
  It would not take 27 months. Mr. President, 27 months is carefully 
calculated to take us past the Presidential election of the year 2000.
  Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent the Senator from Wisconsin, 
Mr. Feingold, and the Senator from Louisiana, Ms. Landrieu, be added as 
cosponsors.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. BUMPERS. Mr. President, Bill Clinton, my friend from my home 
State of Arkansas, has been taking a lot of trashing lately, a lot of 
it richly deserved. I am not here to defend the President. But I will 
tell you one thing. You can say a lot of things about him but you 
cannot say he is not an environmental President. I will tell you what I 
think he will do. I think he will follow the advice of Dale Bumpers and 
the New York Times and veto this bill if this amendment is defeated. I 
can tell you I don't care how weak he is, I don't care how disturbed he 
is about all of this, I don't care how disturbed the American people 
are, I promise you there is one thing about him that he will not yield 
on and that is the environment; and for the very same reason nobody in 
the U.S. Senate ought to yield on it.
  I know it is painful. I know companies are put upon because of the 
environment. But, when you think about what has happened to the 
environment over the past 300 years of history in this country, it is 
time we implement strong measures.
  Did you know that the rules right now say that you cannot even 
regulate a mine of 5 acres or less, you can go out and create all the 
damage you want to on 5 acres? That is a pretty good spread for some 
mines. In the State of Nevada, there are 2,400 mines of 5 acres or 
less. Here is a letter from the BLM office in Reno, NV, to an 
assemblywoman in Nevada, about these 5-acre mine sites. The BLM says:


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       Since enactment of BLM's surface management regulations in 
     1981 [that's the one we are still trying to live with, put in 
     effect in 1981, since the regulations in 1981] the BLM in 
     Nevada has processed nearly 10,000 notices. Currently, there 
     are approximately 2,400 active notice-level operations in 
     Nevada. There have been many environmental and operational 
     problems associated with the smaller operations in Nevada.

  We aren't talking about 1872. We are talking about May 1, 1997. Let 
me repeat that.

       There have been many environmental and operational problems 
     associated with the smaller operations in Nevada.
       In summary, there are 90 exploration or mining sites of 
     five acres or less in Nevada where a reclamation bond would 
     have either probably prevented a new modern-day problem from 
     developing or would have been used to reclaim an 
     environmental problem.

  You can defend that if you want to if you are from Nevada. That is 
your privilege. Do you know something else? The Federal regs of 1981 
are just like the Nevada law. We exempt all mines of 5 acres or less. 
Thousands and thousands of them are exempt under Federal regulations. 
And you think that doesn't create environmental havoc?
  Mr. President, I am not terribly optimistic about my chances of 
succeeding today. Last year, happily, we were able to work out an 
arrangement where we said we will consult with the Western Governors. 
Nobody mentioned the National Academy of Sciences last year. I have 
been in the Senate 24 years and ever since I have been on this issue, 
nobody has ever mentioned the National Academy of Sciences. But 
somebody cleverly came up with the idea and said, ``At your 
fundraisers, you can always defend yourself; you can say, `The National 
Academy of Sciences did a study on that.' '' I sure hope they come up 
with a good set of regulations. I yield the floor, Mr. President.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, how much time is remaining on both 
sides?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska has 30 minutes 
remaining, and the Senator from Arkansas has 19 minutes 30 seconds 
remaining.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, I yield such time as my friend and 
colleague from the State of Idaho might need, reserving at least 5 
minutes for myself.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Idaho is recognized.
  Mr. CRAIG. Mr. President, I thank my colleague from Alaska, the 
chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, first of all, 
for the leadership role he has taken over the last good number of years 
to try to bring reform to the 1872 mining laws.
  For some reason, the Senator from Arkansas would like to portray that 
mining is a rogue industry in our Nation that goes unregulated, outside 
environmental regulations, and he cited today 5-acre mine sites. They 
are not outside the environment, they are simply outside a plan of 
operation. My guess is, one could find piles of chicken manure in that 
State that violate environmental laws that are less than 5 acres that 
are not controlled. Does that sound silly and facetious on my part? 
Yes, it does, and I apologize to the Senator from Arkansas for saying 
it, but I want him to understand that when he makes a statement like 
``5 acres, rogue, out of control,'' it is not true. It is not true in 
my State that has very tight environmental laws, and it is not true in 
other mining States.
  What the Senator from Arkansas would like to have you believe in his 
compassionate statements about mining is that somehow these impact his 
State. His State is not a mining State, per se. Mine is. The Senator 
from Alaska has a mining State. The Senators from Nevada have a mining 
State. Those States have had mining for over 100 years, and some of 
that mining they are not proud of, or I should say, were not proud of.
  In the sixties and the seventies and the eighties and the nineties, 
those States began to take control of their own environmental destiny, 
in part urged by the Senator from Arkansas, no question about it; in 
part, a product of the National Environmental Policy Act; in part a 
product of the Clean Air Act; in part a product of the Clean Water Act. 
All of those came together to shape plans of operation and new mining 
strategies for this country. I will tell you what it did in my State. 
It cleaned up a lot of messes, messes by the definition of today's 
environmental standards and ethics, not definitions by mining and 
environmental standards of 70 or 80 years ago.
  Why is the Senator standing up here this morning painting the world 
as if it were black, most importantly, painting the world of mining as 
if it were a disaster? The Senator from Arkansas knows it just 
``ain't'' so, but this is one of his causes celebres which you and I 
have heard on this floor--and I serve with him on the committee--for a 
long, long while.
  What is the essence of this administration's attempt to rewrite the 
3809 regulations? My guess is that Secretary Babbitt and Solicitor 
Leshy are creating a solution for a problem that doesn't exist, or more 
importantly, creating a solution that plays to their political base and 
hoping there is a problem out there to which they can attach it. I have 
a feeling that down underneath all of this, this is just about the 
whole of the problem that we are attempting to debate on the floor 
today.
  There is no question that this Senator, the Senator from Alaska and a 
good many other Senators want responsible mining law and we think, in 
large part, we have it, because the old 1872 mining law in one court 
case after another, after another, after another, after another, after 
another, piled up over 100-plus years, has transformed the world of 
mining in this country into not only the significant industry it is, 
but the environmental-sensitive industry that it is today.
  Yet, the Senator from Arkansas and others love to drag out 20-year-
old pictures and 20-year-old stories as if they had just happened 
yesterday and say, ``Oh, look at these pictures and read this story; 
isn't it terrible what the world of mining is doing to the clear and 
pristine lakes and rivers of our country?''
  Let me tell you the mining story, the pictures and the story today 
about those clear and pristine rivers. They were not once clear and 
pristine. Mining tailings were dumped into them, and the rivers in my 
State, in one instance, ran murky the year round. But today the Coeur 
d'Alene River, flowing down through the major mining district of my 
State, runs clean. Fish propagate in it. Kids swim in it.
  That wasn't true 20 years ago. It was a combination of Federal and 
State effort that produced that. But most importantly, it was the 
ethics of the citizens and the government of the State of Idaho that 
said as a mining State, we have to do it right, and that is what 
Western Governors are saying today to this administration and to the 
Senator from Arkansas and to a lot of others who like to use this as 
their political base.
  Look at the politics of it, sure, but look at the reality of what we 
are doing. All of these States have very tight laws and regulations 
today. You heard it from the Senators from Nevada, one of the top 
mining States in the Nation today, employing tens of thousands of 
people and bringing hundreds of millions of dollars into our economy. 
They are doing it right. They are doing it under all of those 
environmental laws that were passed on this floor in the sixties and 
the seventies and the eighties, and they are not backing away from them 
or trying to shrink from those laws. They are trying to improve them 
and better them.
  So why is the Secretary of Interior and his Solicitor and the Senator 
from Arkansas looking for a solution to fit a problem that doesn't 
exist? I am not sure. I already suggested it does identify with their 
political base, but I am not so sure it identifies with the real world, 
especially if a former Governor, who talks about how his State has done 
so well, believes that States ought to have powers and rights in these 
areas.
  He and I have worked very closely together over the last several 
years to reform the 1872 mining law and to attempt to empower those 
States in cooperation with the Federal Government to assure that that 
relationship and those kind of dynamics continue. On that I don't 
disagree with the Senator from Arkansas, but I do disagree with the 
Federal Government and its heavy hand ignoring the States' Governors 
until we shove them into beginning dialog with them on the reform of 
these rules.
  Most of the Western Governors, however, who have problems, who are 
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want the BLM to do a couple of things with any modification in 
regulation; and yet most Governors say they have not been worked with 
well, they have not been listened to, and if you do not do major 
things, that it will not happen.
  Again, the heavy arm of the Federal Government will come down against 
States. Once again, we violate or at least we ignore the Constitution 
of our country, all in the name of a current political cause that does 
not seem to exist much more today because we addressed it a long time 
ago. That is the essence of the amendment to the Interior 
appropriations bill by the Senator from Arkansas.
  What did we do this year? Because of the difference between the 
Department of Interior and the Governors--the Western States Governors 
primarily--we have said, ``Let's get the National Academy of Sciences, 
an impartial group, to step in between and examine this solution 
looking for a problem.''
  They are impartial. Both sides, I think, would respect their 
integrity. And let us see how much of a problem there is out there. Let 
us scope the magnitude of it before we bring down the heavy hand of 
Government and put thousands of people out of work or risk putting 
thousands of people out of work and destroying some significant 
economies in many of our Western States.
  That is really the essence of what we do here today. It isn't that 
the Energy and Natural Resources Committee has not been diligent. The 
Senator from Arkansas has been diligent. We just cannot agree. We have 
fundamental disagreements. I want mining. I want it alive and well and 
creating jobs in my State--minerals and metals for the economy. And I 
am not so sure that that is what he wants. Or at least he wants it in a 
way that largely causes the investors in my State to go offshore to 
make those investments--under the same environmental standards that 
they would make in this country except they avoid the burdensome 
multiyear regulatory process of a Government that really does not care 
about the economies of investment and jobs because the cause they lift 
themselves to is a cause higher.
  That is the issue of this amendment. When you have a dispute between 
two concerned parties--and we do here; the Senator from Arkansas and I 
and others just fundamentally disagree--what is wrong with bringing an 
impartial body in between us to examine the problem that by my 
estimation does not exist and by the estimation of the Senator from 
Arkansas does exist?
  What is wrong with bringing an impartial body to the fore for that 
purpose? That is exactly what the Interior Appropriations Subcommittee 
thought ought to be done, in consultation with the chairman of the full 
authorizing committee, the Senator from Alaska. That is what we are 
doing. And that is why the Senator from Arkansas is trying to stop it, 
because it might bring about a solution that works. And it would deny 
this administration the right to slash and burn and destroy a mining 
industry that they did not like out there on the public lands to begin 
with.
  Secretary Babbitt has not been bashful. Every time he has to comply 
with the law, he gets on a soap box and degrades it and says that he is 
being forced to do certain things. Well, it is terrible when you are 
forced to abide by the law. Why should you shun it? But then again, I, 
as chairman of a subcommittee, the Senator of a full committee, and the 
Senator from Arkansas have invited Secretary Babbitt to the table for 
the last 6 years to work out these problems. And their answer is, ``No. 
It's to our advantage to have the politics of it, not the solution to 
it.''
  That is the essence of the debate here on the floor. It really is, in 
my opinion, that clear and that simple. You cannot talk about modern 
mining today and use 20-year-old examples, because most of those were 
created 20 years before they became a problem. Yet, that is the basis 
of the argument. That is the strength of any argument that they attempt 
to produce.
  So I hope that my colleagues will stand with us today in opposing the 
Bumpers amendment--that we should table that amendment--because while 
it can be partisan at times, this is not a partisan issue. The Senators 
from Nevada are Democrats, and I am a Republican, and we are from 
neighboring States.
  Mining has been for 100 years a major part of our economy and yet 
today remains an important part of our economy. My State is touted as 
being one of the most beautiful, mountainous, high-desert States in the 
Nation, with clear flowing streams, pristine mountain meadows. And 100 
years of a mining legacy? Yes. It seems like Idahoans did it right. 
Then while they were doing it right, they learned to do it better. And 
there is no question that the environmental laws we passed here in the 
1960s and the 1970s and the 1980s helped them do it better.
  But just a few years ago our reclamation laws, our mining laws as a 
State, were the example for the rest of the Western States to follow, 
and many of them did. Many of my miners have received national 
environmental awards for their productions, for their operations, for 
their facilities, and they are very, very proud of it.
  So what is the advantage of standing here on the floor today and 
pounding the podium and talking about the evil mining industry and the 
environmental problems it creates? Well, if you are an echo of the 
past, maybe there is value there. Or if you are the politics of 
yesterday, maybe there is value there. But if you really want to work 
with our Western Governors, and solve a problem, and bring two divided 
sides together, then you do exactly what this bill does--you employ a 
neutral party, the National Academy of Sciences, to analyze at least 
the proposed problem that Messrs. Leshy and Babbitt suggest exists, and 
examine the solution that they have out there, searching for and coming 
up with a resolution.
  I am quite confident that if the National Academy of Sciences 
proposes, that we will take a very, very serious look at disposing with 
that. That is the issue here. Let us proceed in that manner. Let us not 
divide the Federal Government and State governments any more. Let us 
build a working partnership, as we have had in the past, that will 
project us, I think, into a productive future so that mining can remain 
a strong part of our economy, as it should, and, in my opinion, as it 
must if we are going to continue to have a free flow, an important 
flow, of minerals and metals to the critical economies of this country.
  I yield back the remainder of my time.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI addressed the Chair.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska is recognized.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Might I ask how much time remains on each side?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska has 13 minutes 20 
seconds remaining; the Senator from Arkansas controls 19 minutes 27 
seconds.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. I ask the Senator from Arkansas if he would care to go 
next since we spoke last on the issue.
  Mr. BUMPERS addressed the Chair.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Arkansas is recognized.
  Mr. BUMPERS. Mr. President, first of all, I want to make one point 
that perhaps has not been made, and that is that this amendment only 
applies on Federal lands. Bear in mind, all mining does not occur on 
Federal lands. There are all kinds of mines in this country on private 
lands. There are some on State lands.
  I might also say that we have given away 3.2 million acres of land in 
the past 126 years. Well, we did not give it away; we charged $2.50 an 
acre for it. Lands the size of the State of Connecticut we have given 
to the mining industry in the past 126 years to mine on. Do you know 
what else? They own it. We gave them a deed for $2.50 an acre, and they 
own it. And these regulations do not apply to people who own their own 
land. The States regulate that.

  One other point I want to make is that I believe the Senator from 
Idaho indicated something about my political position, my political 
base. No. 1, there is no political base on mining in my State. There is 
a political base for being on the side of keeping the environment as 
clean as possible, but that is not unique to my State. I assume that 
there are some people even in Idaho and Alaska who want to keep the 
environment as clean as possible.
  Let me say, as the Senators tick off all the laws that the mining 
industry has to comply with--clean air, clean water, reclamation--tell 
us which one of those you want to repeal.

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  In the 1970's when a number of environmental laws were passed, go 
back and look at the speeches that were given, and given again today, 
about what a terrible disaster this would be if we passed this bill and 
made people comply with these nonsensical, crazy regulations. It is 
just another case where the old Federal Government is trying to tell us 
how to run our lives.
  Do you know the reason the Coeur d'Alene River is now a clean, 
pristine river? Because of the Clean Water Act. I applaud the people of 
Idaho who I assume didn't want that river to be polluted any further. I 
can tell you, it may or may not have happened if it hadn't been for the 
Federal Government's intervention. I don't know where that beautiful 
river in my State, the Buffalo, would be right now if we hadn't made it 
a wild and scenic river and stopped the disastrous pollution of the 
river.
  In the 1970's 65 percent of the streams, rivers and lakes in this 
country were neither fishable nor swimmable. And because of the 
terrible old Federal Government and all their regulations imposing on 
the business community of this country, today it is reversed--65 
percent of the streams, lakes, and rivers of this country are fishable 
and swimmable. How I wish I could live long enough to see that figure 
at 100 percent.
  It is expensive. It is expensive to undo a mess. As I said on the 
Senate floor last week in a different context but it bears repeating 
here, as the English philosopher said, there is nothing more utterly 
impossible than undoing what has already been done. Do you think Bill 
Clinton wouldn't like to undo some of his past? Do you think people in 
my State wouldn't like to undo some of the surface mining, the strip 
mining, that we allowed to take place? They just dug out the earth, 
piled it up in big layers, took the coal, and left it.
  It is not even half over. When you consider the fact that mines of 5 
acres and less aren't even regulated, when you think of all the 3.2 
million acres of lands we have given to the mining industry, these 
lands are not included.
  So what do we have? The Senator from Idaho said Senator Bumpers is up 
there talking about what happened years ago. In 1992, in Colorado, 
Summitville's actions cost the taxpayers $30,000 a day; 6 years ago 
that disaster occurred. What did they do? They polluted 17 miles of a 
river. It is now a Superfund site.
  Zortman-Landusky, 1998, in Montana--going broke. Taxpayers will get 
to pick up the tab while we do another study by the National Academy of 
Sciences. Then you can go home and say, ``Yes, I'm for the 
environment.'' I think the National Academy of Sciences ought to study 
these things as the disasters pile up. In 1998, in South Dakota, they 
are not quite broke yet, they are in financial difficulties. They had a 
$6 million bond, and the cleanup figure is now estimated at $10 
million. Who picks up the difference? You know who picks up the 
difference.
  There are 557,000 hardrock mine sites that are abandoned. Today, 59 
of them are on the Superfund list. The cost to the poor taxpayers: $34 
to $71 billion, because the U.S. Congress engaged in sophistry, 
specious arguments, as the pollution went on, as the unreclaimed mines 
were left for the taxpayers to pick up the tab.
  Think about 2,000 sites in our national parks that have to be 
reclaimed. Twelve thousand miles of rivers are polluted, and they say 
we need another 27 months to study it.
  I don't know much of anything else I can say about this. I will have 
a lot more to say tomorrow when I offer yet another amendment on 
mining. Then the Senator from Alaska and the Senator from Idaho can 
have a big party and say, ``That mean old Senator from Arkansas, we 
have heard the last of him,'' because you will have. I have been on 
this subject now for 10 years, with just a few marginal successes. As I 
pick up the paper in a few years and watch how things have gone, I will 
be a detached taxpayer, still with strong feelings about it. All I can 
say is, I did my best to try to save this planet for my children, my 
grandchildren, and yours.
  Let me repeat one more time, when you consider FLPMA, which we passed 
in 1978, when you consider the National Forest Management Act, when you 
consider the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, tell us, which ones 
would you strike? Which ones would you repeal?
  It reminds me, as a southerner, what a tough time we had coming to 
grips with civil rights. Monday morning I will speak at an assembly at 
Central High School in Little Rock where, 31 years ago, the National 
Guard was called to keep black children from going to school there. The 
Arkansas Gazette, at that time the oldest newspaper west of the 
Mississippi, took a strong stand against Orval Faubus, who was Governor 
and who called out the National Guard to keep those nine children from 
going to school at Little Rock Central High School.
  They lost circulation down to about 82,000. Orval Faubus was elected 
six times--the first Governor ever elected to a fourth term. Only one 
had ever been elected to a third term. And who today would take that 
side of that question? There are a few, of course. Who today would want 
to go back to charging people to vote?--which they did when I was a 
young man. You had to go down to the courthouse and pay a dollar for a 
poll tax. Who would go back to that?
  If I were to start talking about the literally hundreds of things 
that we have done in this country that were terribly unpopular--I can 
remember when every doctor in America said, ``If you pass that Medicare 
bill, you will be sorry; it will be the end of health care in this 
country.'' Can you find me somebody today who doesn't like Medicare, 
including the medical profession? No. In the 1970's--go back and look 
at the speeches made when we passed a variety of environmental 
statutes. I never read as many doomsday speeches in my life. Who would 
go back to the time when we didn't have NEPA? Who would want to go back 
to the time where we emptied our garbage out in the Buffalo River in 
plastic bags?
  Sometimes it is a long time coming, and the disastrous part of it is 
that so much of it is irreversible; you cannot put it back the way God 
gave it to us. That might be getting too heavy on an issue like this. 
But I am telling you, when you look at the statistics of how many 
abandoned mine sites there are right now, when you look at the fact 
that we know what this is--this is nothing more than a dilatory tactic. 
There is not one Senator who doesn't know precisely what this is about. 
It is a simple delaying tactic.
  Mr. President, I yield the floor and yield the remainder of my time--
Mr. President, I will not yield back the remainder of my time. I think 
Senator Landrieu may wish to speak, so I will reserve the remainder of 
my time for her.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, I ask the Chair to indicate how much 
time remains on both sides.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska has 13 minutes. The 
Senator from Arkansas has 5 minutes 30 seconds.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. I thank the Chair.
  Mr. HATCH. Mr. President, I rise this morning to express strong 
opposition to the Bumpers amendment, and I urge my colleagues to oppose 
it as well. This amendment is a step backwards, Mr. President. It is a 
step back toward more centralized government; it is a step back toward 
more heavy handed regulations; and it is a step back toward making 
environmental policy with emotion and politics instead of science and 
common sense.
  Mr. President, this argument really comes down to whether or not we 
want environmental regulations to be determined on the state level by 
those who have the greatest stake in a healthy environment and a strong 
economy, or do we want to keep all the power inside the Washington 
beltway and in the hands of federal politicians and bureaucrats.
  This amendment would strike section 117 of the fiscal year 1999 
Interior appropriations. What is so disturbing about this section that 
it must be struck, Mr. President? Section 117 is simply an attempt to 
replace the emotionally and politically charged controversy surrounding 
the revised 3809 regulations with good science. Section 117 would 
require that the National Academy of Sciences--hardly an organization 
in the pocket of the mining industry--perform a study of the adequacy 
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governing hardrock mining on our public lands before the Secretary of 
Interior moves forward with the new regulations. I find it baffling, 
Mr. President, that a member of Congress would be opposed to 
introducing an impartial and nonpartisan element to this heated debate, 
such as a study by the National Academy of Sciences.
  Mr. President, this is not merely a philosophical debate. This debate 
is about jobs in rural America. We have learned by unhappy experience 
that regulations spewed forth from Washington, D.C., with no regard for 
those who are most affected by the regulations, often lead to a loss of 
competitiveness and jobs in rural areas.
  I wish all of my colleagues could visit the many rural areas of my 
state of Utah. They would find that opportunity has been whittled away 
from rural Americans who live among public lands. And why have these 
citizens lost their ability to grow and prosper, Mr. President? Has it 
been because of a lack of effort or creativity? Of course not--rural 
areas in Utah are struggling because government bureaucrats have 
systematically closed off opportunities to graze on public lands, to 
harvest timber on public lands, and to mine on public lands. I 
challenge anyone to tell me that this trend has not led to a major loss 
of rural jobs, Mr. President.
  Mr. President, the rural people of my state know that the source of 
their problems has been an onslaught of centralized government 
regulation. I would like to read a letter from a young constituent of 
mine, T.J. Seely. He sums up, better than I could, what the crux of 
this debate is really about.
  Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that this letter be entered 
into the Record along with my remarks.
  Mr. President, T.J. asks me in his letter, ``What are you doing about 
jobs in rural Utah?'' Well, Mr. President, an important part of my 
answer to T.J. will be that I voted against this amendment today, and 
that I urged my colleagues to do the same.
  There being no objections, the letter was ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

                                                 January 19, 1998.
       Dear Senator Hatch: My name is T.J. Seely. I'm from Ferron, 
     Utah. I am thirteen years old and I'm concerned that there 
     won't be any jobs when I'm out of high school.
       My dad is forty years old. He works for one of Pacific 
     Corps. mines and I'm worried that he won't have a job.
       In Utah I think that we have more of our share of Federal 
     lands.
       What are you doing about jobs in rural Utah, and what can I 
     do about securing jobs in Utah?
           Sincerely,
                                                       T.J. Seely.

                     Proposed BLM 3809 Regulations

  Mr. BENNETT. Mr. President, I have listened with interest to the 
discussion that has taken place today regarding the Bumpers amendment 
and I would like to express my views on the BLM's proposed 3809 
Regulations. I am concerned that my colleagues are facing another 
situation, like others in the past, in which policymakers in this 
Administration lacking support from Congress, nevertheless develop 
policy based on a predetermined outcome. Once that policy is 
introduced, we are then subjected to the usual vocalizing about the 
importance of public input and the necessity of hearing views of all 
interested parties.
  BLM's justification for new regulations is spotty--advances in mining 
technologies and current regulations which have not been updated for 15 
years. Yet when we had this discussion last year, we agreed that since 
the regulatory authority of western states would be called into 
question, it was important that we allow for significant input from 
those impacted states. I am dismayed that the BLM draft regulations 
ignored most of the input received last year. The result has been a 
proposal that was so top-heavy with prescriptive regulation it would 
never pass muster if it were to move through the normal legislative 
process.
  We find ourselves in a situation where the Western Governors, which 
have individual state programs that are working very well with respect 
to mining in those states, wish to have greater input into the draft 
regulations. These Governors, regardless of party affiliation, have 
stated very clearly that the problems with the current law described by 
the Secretary simply do not exist. They would prefer to have several 
legal issues resolved prior to any modification of the current 3809 
regulations. I do not see anything wrong with seeking guidance from an 
outside source as to how the current regulatory framework is deficient. 
I believe the language we have in this bill addresses those concerns by 
bringing in a non-biased entity to determine if the current regulatory 
framework is inadequate.
  I sometimes wish we could be more candid with each other. I am amazed 
at what happens when we can sit down around the table and have an open 
discussion. We have been successful in the past, as my friend Senator 
Bumpers well knows. Were it not for two or three candid discussions, we 
would have never reached agreement on National Park concessions reform. 
But this is a case where BLM is not willing to admit what it is really 
trying to do. The Secretary should admit that he is trying to 
accomplish mining law reform through the back door because the 
Administration lacks the votes in Congress. If he would simply say 
that, I would say that I disagree with his position. But because of the 
lack of candor around here, we go through various machinations and we 
find ourselves in this situation where we now have to bring in the 
National Academy of Sciences to provide a non-biased review so we can 
get the information to Congress. I think this issue has moved to the 
point where we are in need of unbiased, outside counsel. If there is a 
problem, let's fix it, if not, let's leave well enough alone. But the 
first step is to identify if a problem really does exist.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, following the current debate, let me 
point out a couple of things that I think the Senator from Arkansas may 
have overlooked with regard to his general statement that we have 
557,000 sites in the abandoned mine category.
  I think it is important to recognize what we have done. We have a 
system. The system is working. Fewer than 3 percent of those 557,000 
are considered to be of a significant environmental concern. Surface 
water contamination, ground water contamination, and Superfund make up 
less than 3 percent of these sites. The others--it is interesting to 
note--34 percent, or 194,000, have been reclaimed and are considered 
benign; 231,000, or 41 percent, have a surface disturbance. Obviously, 
if you are going to mine an area in an open pit, you are going to have 
a surface disturbance. But that can be taken care of in the reclamation 
process. The trees can grow back.
  I ask anybody who has visited the interior of Alaska to recognize the 
techniques used with the gold dredges where they basically built this 
dredge in a pond and it dug ahead of itself and deposited the tailings, 
the pond was not any bigger than the dredge, it simply moved, and yes, 
the tailings were evident at the time, but now the trees have grown 
back into the tailings piles. That is what is happening in these areas 
where appropriate reclamation takes place, and the technology today is 
much more advanced than previously. So there is significant advancement 
in the process.
  The system of reclamation is working, and the States take pride in 
their obligation to address reclamation associated with mining 
activity. You can't create wealth, you can't create jobs, and you can't 
create prosperity without some kind of a footprint. Mining is no 
exception. But with the technology we have, we are addressing it and 
doing a better job.
  The problem with the proposal of my friend from Arkansas is that he 
simply wants to have the Department of the Interior come in and dictate 
terms and conditions--a nameless, faceless bureaucracy, accountable not 
to the people within the States, not to the people who work in the 
mining industry, not to the people who have jobs, families, mortgages, 
but to an indifferent Department of the Interior coming down with 
regulations that would basically strangle the mining industry as we 
know it today and force it overseas.
  We have had a discussion about the poultry industry. I am sorry that 
my friend from Arkansas stepped out briefly, but I have done a little 
investigation in the last few minutes relative to the poultry industry 
in Arkansas, which I know very little about. Clearly, the Senator from 
Arkansas is on record opposing any State regulation of mining that is 
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State's biggest industry, and that is poultry. Small poultry farmers 
are not subject to Federal law, clean water regulation, even when large 
corporations actually own the chickens. It is left up to State law, 
even though it is a major water quality issue in those States with high 
populations of poultry. In Virginia alone, over 1,300 poultry 
operations produce 4.4 billion pounds of manure a year. A so-called 
small poultry operation can produce 540 tons of litter per year. I 
haven't heard the Senator from Arkansas arguing in favor of Federal 
regulation, but perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves and we don't 
need to spread the issue around any more than we have, relatively 
speaking.
  Let me just highlight a few more points that I think are appropriate. 
Let's look at the gold industry in the United States today. The layoffs 
total approximately 3,500 workers--not because the gold isn't there, 
but the world price of gold has declined. As a consequence, these 
mines, such as the HomeStake Mine in Lead, SD, a small community of 
fewer than 1,000 people, where there are over 466 people that are out 
of work--that issue is not as a consequence of the issue before us 
today, but it is a consequence of the mining industry's ability to 
operate internationally based on cost, based on the value of the gold 
in the ground, and a number of other considerations.
  The point is, when you go into the mining industry, you go in for the 
long haul. You are going to have good years and bad years. But I think 
it is appropriate that we take a look at the industry as it exists in 
the Western States. There are 5,000 people employed in my State of 
Alaska. In California, there are 115,000 people with jobs directly or 
indirectly affected by the mining industry; Colorado has 19,000; Idaho 
has 7,000; Montana, 9,000; Nevada has 11,000; South Dakota, 8,000; the 
State of Washington has 26,000.
  So I remind the Senators from those States that are directly 
affected, with a significant payroll, a number of jobs are dependent 
directly or indirectly on the mining industry, and it is very important 
that we have a mining industry that has regulations that are responsive 
to the legitimate environmental demands, but at the same time recognize 
that this industry fluctuates with market price, world prices, unlike 
many other items that we might not have a fair comparison with.
  Finally, let me in the remaining moments again refer to the effort 
that has been made that is pending before the U.S. Senate. It is ready 
for markup. That is the mining bill that Senator Craig and I have 
offered. It was a solid foundation upon which to build mining reform. 
We made an accommodation to the Senator from Arkansas not to mark it up 
in order for him to initiate an effort to reach a compromise with the 
mining industry to resolve long standing issues. Evidently, this has 
not yet happened, although I still have hopes.
  Let me remind my colleagues that the mining bill before us would have 
pleased, I think, reasonable voices on both sides of the issue. It 
seeks reform, which brings a fair return to the Treasury. It protects 
the environment and preserves our ability to produce strategic minerals 
in an international marketplace. I think the bill, when it eventually 
reaches the floor of this body, will receive support and pass. The 
legislation protects the small miners, it maintains traditional 
location and discovery practices, and it is reform. It is an effort to 
do the job right. Bad decisions are going to harm a $5 billion U.S. 
industry whose products are the muscle and sinew of our Nation's 
industrial output.
  The future of some 120,000 American miners and their families and 
their communities is at stake here. So is the well-being of thousands 
of other Americans whose income is linked to manufacturing goods and 
services which support this critical industry.
  In summary, Mr. President, I am going to be offering a motion to 
table Senator Bumpers amendment to strike at 2:15 when the Senate 
reconvenes
  I want my colleagues to know ahead of time what my intentions are 
relative to the disposition of the Bumpers amendment.
  Finally, let me, for the record, indicate the position of the Western 
Governors' Association, which wrote in a letter:

       States already have effective environmental and reclamation 
     programs in place and operating. These programs ensure that 
     national criteria where they exist in current law are met and 
     allow the States site-specific flexibility for the remaining 
     issue.

  We have letters from the Governors of Arizona, New Mexico, Idaho, 
Wyoming and Utah--written letters in support of having the National 
Academy of Sciences conduct a review of the existing State and Federal 
regulations governing mining to determine their deficiencies.
  One other point, Mr. President. I think it is noteworthy, to my 
colleagues who have perhaps been following some of our Nation's 
environmental leaders, the comment that was made in December 1997 by 
former Secretary of the Interior, Governor Cecil Andrus. When the 3809 
regulations were promulgated back in 1980, Governor Andrus was 
Secretary of the Interior. So this gentleman knows of what he speaks.
  In December, Governor Andrus stated:

       For over 20 years, I submit, the 3809 regulations have 
     stood the test of time. These are the regulations that we are 
     talking about today, the ones the Secretary of the Interior 
     proposes to change.

  Further, I quote:

       Those regulations revolutionized mining on the public 
     lands. Bruce Babbitt, who should know better, is trying to 
     fix things that are not broken and accomplish some mining 
     reform laws through the back door.

  Mr. President, that is just what this issue is about. I don't know 
what is good for the goose or the chicken, but I do know what is good 
for the mining industry in the United States today; that is, to defeat 
and prevail on the motion to table the Bumpers amendment to strike.
  Mr. President, I ask that the remainder of my time be indicated.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has 11 minutes.
  Mr. MURKOWSKI. I retain the remainder of my time and yield to my 
friend from Arkansas.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Arkansas.
  Mr. BUMPERS. Mr. President, here is what the new regulations contain:
  Regulations to minimize adverse environmental impacts, if 
economically and technically feasible--that is a pretty big loophole; 
that is what these new regulations provide--reclaim the land to its 
prior condition; bonding, enough bond to cover reclamation costs; and, 
protect the air and water quality.
  Let me ask my opponents on this issue, to which of those do you 
object? To what do you object?
  Mr. President, these arguments about the poor gold miners processing 
gold--I have heard those same arguments year after year, and sometimes 
when gold was more than $400 an ounce. If gold is cheap, that is the 
argument. If gold is high, then it is jobs. If neither apply, then it 
is that bad old Federal Government trying to regulate our lives--
anything under God's Sun to keep from doing anything to make the mining 
companies of this country do it right.
  This is the simplest amendment in the world. Everybody knows what it 
is. For 17 years, since 1981, we have been living with regulations for 
the most part which were hopelessly out of date. In the meantime, we 
have been allowing cyanide to go into the rivers and streams and the 
underground aquifers of this country, and they don't want to do 
anything about it. They don't want a regulation or a rule that makes 
people responsible for that.
  I think I have said everything I can possibly say about this issue. I 
will simply say I may lose this afternoon, and probably will. And when 
27 months have gone by, unless somebody takes it on again next year, 
maybe we will get James Watt back as Secretary of the Interior and we 
will not have to worry about things like this anymore. This is very 
carefully crafted to say to Bruce Babbitt that you cannot do anything--
you can't do anything until the year 2001. At that time, my opponents 
on this divinely hope that there will be a Republican President and 
there will be a Secretary of the Interior who will do their bidding. 
That may happen. And in the meantime, unmitigated, unfathomable 
economic disasters will continue to occur.
  If this is an issue for the Senate to do something about, all you 
have to do is vote yes. If you do not want to do anything about it, 
then vote no.
  Mr. President, I yield the floor, and I yield the remainder of my 
time.

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  Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, let me thank my friend from Arkansas 
for his input and his consistent effort to bring this issue before this 
Congress, and certainly the U.S. Senate.
  I must differ with him on his interpretation. It is not unmitigated 
disaster. I think every Member of the Western States, and those States 
that have mining, recognize that there are certainly ills. But there is 
also an obligation and a pride to correct them, and those corrections 
are underway. But the suggestion that the Department of the Interior 
should have the broad authority to come in with sweeping new 
regulations that would in many cases have an adverse effect on the 
industry's ability to be internationally competitive is the threat 
proposed by the Department of the Interior. As a consequence, I would 
again expect to offer a motion to strike the amendment, and a tabling 
motion.
  I yield the remainder of my time. I thank my good friend for the 
spirited debate. We will keep him informed of the progress and the 
eventual resolve of this issue, if we don't get it done today.
  Mr. BUMPERS. Mr. President, parliamentary inquiry. Is there 10 
minutes equally divided beginning at 2:15 on this amendment?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator is correct.
  Mr. BUMPERS. I thank the Chair.

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