[Congressional Record Volume 144, Number 59 (Tuesday, May 12, 1998)]
[House]
[Pages H3083-H3090]
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RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AMENDMENT
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Shimkus). Under the Speaker's announced
policy of January 7, 1997, the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. Istook) is
recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
Mr. ISTOOK. Mr. Speaker, this evening I think it is important that we
talk about one of the very first liberties, one of the very first
freedoms of the United States of America, something which motivated
people to cross the ocean hundreds of years ago in some very small and
leaky ships.
I am talking about people such as those who first came to Jamestown,
those who were the Puritans and pilgrims who were motivated to come to
the United States, in large part because they wanted a land of
religious freedom. They wanted a land where everyone was free to
worship or not worship according to the dictates of their own
conscience and not be compelled by the government to give obeisance to
any particular faith but certainly to have the freedom without
intimidation, whether in private or in public, to express their faith
in God.
I bring this to the attention of the House tonight, Mr. Speaker,
because this is a liberty that is the first one enshrined in our Bill
of Rights and yet which is jeopardized by a series of U.S. Supreme
Court decisions that basically go back to 1962, decisions that are
decisions that discriminate against those who wish to pray at public
school, against school prayer. Voluntary school prayer even is not
permitted in the same way that free speech and free religion should
permit it. It is restricted at public school graduations.
The Ten Commandments, the U.S. Supreme Court has said, are
unconstitutional if someone tries to display them in a schoolhouse.
They have struck down nativity scenes and not only Christian emblems
but, for example, a Jewish menorah whose display at a county courthouse
was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court, even though, Mr. Speaker, we
open sessions of this House with prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance to
the flag and we are in a Chamber which has many religious symbols, in a
building which has many religious symbols, in a place which has many
religious symbols. But the U.S. Supreme Court has been ruling that
those are taboo, they are off limits, they are unconstitutional if they
are involved in a public place such as in the school or a courthouse or
many other public forums.
It is because of those threats, Mr. Speaker, that over 150 Members of
this body have banded together as sponsors of the religious freedom
amendment, a proposed amendment to the U.S. Constitution upon which we
will be voting in this House of Representatives in approximately 3
weeks from now, because it is about time that we correct what the U.S.
Supreme Court has done.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to offer for the Record, and I will give it
to the Clerk in a minute, a very simple fact sheet about the religious
freedom amendment. Mr. Speaker, this particular sheet is from a recent
publication by the Ethics of Religious Liberty Commission of the
Southern Baptist Convention, one of the great number of religious
groups in this country who are supporting this amendment.
The religious freedom amendment reads, very simply and very
straightforward. It is as follows:
``To secure the people's right to acknowledge God, according to the
dictates of conscience: Neither the United States, nor any State, shall
establish any official religion, but the people's rights to pray and to
recognize the religious beliefs, heritage, or traditions on public
property, including schools, shall not be infringed. Neither the United
States nor any State shall require any person to join in prayer or
other religious activity, prescribe school prayers, discriminate
against religion, or deny equal access to a benefit on account of
religion.''
That is the text of the proposed religious freedom amendment, upon
which we will be voting shortly, to correct the decisions of the U.S.
Supreme Court which have pushed our country in the wrong direction, not
in a direction of neutrality, but in a direction of hostility towards
religion.
And reading from the facts sheet of the Southern Baptist Convention
Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, what the religious freedom
amendment would and would not do:
It would correct years of judicial misinterpretation of the
establishment clause. It would not revoke the establishment clause.
It would reverse many of the restrictions that courts have placed
upon the free exercise of religion on government property in general
and public schools in particular. It would not permit government-
sponsored religion or proselytizing.
It would allow greater freedom for students who wish to pray. It
would not require prayer in public schools.
It would require government to treat all religions fairly. It would
not permit preference for one religion or sect over another.
It would advance belief in religious freedom. It would not advance
any particular religious belief.
It would give greater protection to individuals against government
intrusion. It would not create any new right for government.
It would guarantee that no person be discriminated against on account
of religion. It would not require that any person be given special
status on account of religion.
It would require equal access to all people, regardless of religion.
It would not require unreasonable access to government facilities.
It would protect the liberty of conscience of all people. It would
not protect only the liberty of people of a majority faith or of a
minority faith or of no faith.
That is a good succinct summary, because, Mr. Speaker, it is hard to
be brief about the many problems that have come from these Supreme
Court decisions.
It was 1962 when the Supreme Court said that even when it is totally
voluntary by students, they cannot come together during school time in
public school to have a prayer together. And yet, Mr. Speaker, I am so
pleased that so many millions of Americans have at least done as much
as they could, forming different Bible clubs and huddles of groups,
like the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, that meet before school and
after school and do everything that they are permitted to do, but they
are not permitted the same freedom and the same rights that apply to
other school clubs in our public schools.
It was later, it was in 1980, that the U.S. Supreme Court, in the
Stone v. Graham case said, you cannot display the Ten Commandments on
the wall of the school because, as they wrote, ``Students might read
them and they might obey them.''
Now, Mr. Speaker, if there is anything that would be good for the
students in public schools to obey today, it would be the Ten
Commandments. And yet, Mr. Speaker, that is what they take down,
whether it be on the walls of the school or on the walls of a
courthouse. And yet we have the image of Moses looking straight upon
us, Mr. Speaker, directly across from us on the walls of this House of
Representatives; and his image is there because of the Ten
Commandments.
It was followed by other Supreme Court decisions. It was 1985 that
they had maybe the most outrageous decision of all, the Wallace v.
Jaffrey case. The State of Alabama had a law that said we can at least
have a moment of public silence in public schools. And the U.S. Supreme
Court said, no, we cannot have a moment of silence; that is
unconstitutional, because students could use it for silent prayer.
And it was a 5-4 decision. It could have gone so easily the other
way. But it prompted the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court,
William Rehnquist, to say this about what the Supreme Court did with
prayer in public schools. Justice Rehnquist wrote in Wallace v.
Jaffrey, ``George Washington himself, at the request of the very
Congress which passed the Bill of Rights, proclaimed a day of public
thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful
hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God. History must judge
whether it was the father of this country in 1789 or a majority of the
court today which has strayed from the meaning of the establishment
clause.''
The Supreme Court was not satisfied with that. They had the decision,
I believe the correct year was 1990, that held that a nativity scene
and a Jewish menorah on display at a county courthouse in Pennsylvania,
were unconstitutional because they said they were
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not balanced with non-religious emblems, such as Santa Claus or Rudolph
or Frosty the Snowman. And yet the same Supreme Court has never said
you cannot have Rudolph unless you balance him with Baby Jesus or a
Jewish menorah, or whatever it might be. The Supreme Court has gone the
wrong direction.
And then 1992, the graduation prayer case, a Jewish rabbi invited to
offer a prayer at a public school graduation in Rhode Island was told
afterwards that was unconstitutional because there are some students
who might not want to be respectful.
Now, Mr. Speaker, since when have we said we do not want to teach
students to be respectful in public schools? Since when have we said
that whether we agree or disagree with something, we ought to at least
have the courtesy to be able to listen to it and to take something that
is intended to be positive without blowing up and literally making a
Federal case out of it? Because Mr. Speaker, the intolerance is not on
the part of someone who wants to be able to offer a prayer in a public
setting.
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The intolerance, unfortunately, is on those who want to stifle and
censor that prayer.
Mr. Speaker, the religious freedom amendment follows the mechanism
established by the Founding Fathers to correct these and other
distortions of our religious freedom that the first amendment has been
twisted into saying when it does not really say that. But the Supreme
Court has found it there, and it is our job to fix it and to correct
it.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Blunt).
Mr. BLUNT. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding to me, and
I thank him for consistently leading this fight for the religious
freedom amendment. You are constantly out there.
There are many of us who help you. As you said, I think there are
150-plus cosponsors of this amendment in the House. But, clearly, your
leadership has made a difference here as we are bringing the attention
of the country to the constitutional rights, not that we need to put it
in the Constitution, but that we need to restore the Constitution.
Every time I read about this, every time I think about this, every
time we discuss it here on the floor or in other places, I am more and
more convinced that this effort is really merely an effort to restore
the Constitution to what it was for 175 years.
Before 1962, there really was no question in America about the place
of religion in our society. There was no question in our history about
how the Founding Fathers had felt about religious freedom and the
difference, as they say it, between establishing one religion and
eliminating God from country. In fact, every piece of money that we
have has ``In God we trust'' on that money. How much more of a
commitment to faith can we make than ``In God we trust'' on that money?
As you see the potential for the amendment, as you and I see the
Constitution, I do not think we are in disagreement with the Chief
Justice of the Supreme Court when you cited earlier when Judge
Rehnquist said that this misinterpretation, this misunderstanding of
separation of church and State creates incredible mischief in our
society.
In fact, also, it creates a disadvantage for religious groups who
cannot do, in a public facility, what virtually any other group could
do, any club could do, any group of students coming together could do
unless they want to talk about religion, unless they want to study the
Bible on public property, unless they want to have prayer in a public
assembly that everybody agrees with.
Clearly, we are rethinking America. I heard just here in Washington
last week a person has recently written a great book on General
Washington. He talked about the attributes that made Washington
distinctive. As I left that breakfast meeting and got to thinking about
the packed crowd that heard those attributes about Washington, it
occurred to me immediately that the one attribute that he left out was
Washington's faith.
I advance you cannot understand Washington without understanding his
faith. You cannot understand many of the founders without understanding
their faith. I do not think you can understand their belief in the kind
of government they were establishing unless you understand that they
thought it was a government established for a Nation that would be
built on godly principles and that those godly principles would be
taught.
Whether it was the posting of the Ten Commandments in school, the
same Ten Commandments that the Supreme Court sets under the lawgiver as
they talk about why we could not have the Ten Commandments posted in
the school, or other religious teachings, I think the founders clearly
thought that that was part of our society, part of how you define a
community.
I have got here the copy of a city seal from a community in the
district of the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. Istook), Edmond, Oklahoma,
except that is what the community seal used to look like.
Mr. ISTOOK. That is correct.
Mr. BLUNT. As I understand it, the community seal does not look like
this anymore. The community seal still has these three reflections of
community, but this is now a blank spot.
Mr. ISTOOK. Yes.
Mr. BLUNT. Is that right?
Mr. ISTOOK. Yes. Mr. Speaker, what the gentleman has is a copy of the
city seal which had been adopted a number of years ago by Edmond,
Oklahoma, which is in my congressional district. You can see a multiple
number of emblems on it. You see at the top some oil derricks and a
locomotive. You see on the left the tower from the University of
Central Oklahoma, which is located there. On the bottom, you have a
covered wagon in 1899 from the Land Run of 1899. You have a pair of
hands above that, collapsed in friendship. Then to the right of that,
you have a cross as a symbol of the community's great religious faith.
Unfortunately, a lawsuit was brought, and, ultimately, when it got to
the Supreme Court, the ruling of the Supreme Court said the cross has
got to go. It was a great shock to a great many people, because they
did not mean that as an expression to say that you have to be of one
faith or another faith, but they did want to say that religious worship
is a vital part of the lives of people in the community. It is part of
the tradition or heritage or beliefs of the community, as we mention,
of course, in the religious freedom amendment.
Edmond is not alone. Still, Ohio has had to take a Bible off of its
city seal. You had a case in Eugene, Oregon where a cross, large cross
had to be taken down from public property; one where the Supreme Court
ruled last year that a cross, which it stood for almost 70 years in a
public park in San Francisco, had to come down. You have a similar case
in Hawaii. All over the place. Anything that involves a religious
symbol on public property is coming down.
In part, that somewhat begs the issue of, well, how far do you want
to go in knocking down religious symbols. You mention, of course, that
on our currency we have ``In God we trust.'' You look right behind you
and above the Speaker's head, and we have it here in the House Chamber,
``In God we trust.''
You have States with mottos like that. In Ohio, their State motto is
``With God, all things are possible.'' The ACLU is suing them right now
to have them stop using the State motto in Ohio. It is one of all sorts
of cases against prayer in public places and football games and on
other occasions.
But when you say that because a symbol has religious value to some
people, therefore it has to be considered suspect and stricken down. I
mean, let us look at what the Supreme Court has done. They have struck
down the cross. But the same Supreme Court in 1977 said a Nazi
swastika, a symbol of hate, was protected for display at a public march
on public streets in Skokie, Illinois, in a community that had many
Jewish survivors of the Nazi Holocaust, the effort to exterminate Jews.
A symbol of hate the Supreme Court said was protected.
They backed that up in 1992, striking down a hate crimes law because
it was against things such as Nazi swastikas or burning crosses. If you
carry on with those, I mean how far do you want to go?
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A beetle is an ancient Egyptian religious emblem. Eagle feathers are
considered sacred to many American Indians. You have other occasions.
Things that are considered sacred to one religion, do we say because it
is sacred to some religion, that therefore it cannot be displayed on
public property? I know that you are going through this right now in
your district in a community in Missouri.
Mr. BLUNT. Mr. Speaker, we are. I think the point here we ought to
make, too, is everything seems to be protected in our society except
those things that relate to faith. In Edmond, Oklahoma, this cross was
a symbol of faith. I do not think they came up with anything that was
acceptable to replace that symbol so far as the city seal is concerned.
Mr. ISTOOK. They took off the cross and left a blank spot.
Mr. BLUNT. There is a blank spot. So where there was faith, there is
now a blank spot. Where the community used to say we are a community
based on faith, there is now a blank spot.
We have got a community in my district in southwest Missouri, the
city of Republic that is going through exactly that same thing right
now. There is a copy of their city seal. Of course Republic is located
just about where that star is.
What does the seal say about that community? It says with this
helping hand that this is a community that reaches out and helps
people. It says with this family that this is a community based on
family. Maybe we could even say family values, though that might get
that struck off the seal as well, but certainly based on the concept of
family.
Of course this symbol, that is a symbol for faith, and, of course, in
this case, a specific faith, but that is clearly the predominant faith
in that community.
Nobody came to the city council in Republic and said there are other
faith groups in this community; could we put some more, could we create
a collage of symbols here? That is not the challenge. The challenge is
to eliminate this from the seal. The challenge is to do exactly what
Edmond, Oklahoma did and wind up with a big white blotch where faith
used to be.
Of course the ACLU is coming into this small southwest Missouri
community. They are saying we are going to go to court. It is going to
cost you about $100,000 to fight us. Do you want to fight, or do you
want to give in? At this point, the city council, and I think the vast
majority of people in that community, say we want to fight because this
is what our community is all about.
Not everybody that lives in Republic lives in a family with children
still at home. Probably as great as the community is, not everybody is
totally helpful. But these are overall reflections of what that
community is all about. Not everybody goes to church on Sunday, but the
vast majority of people believe that church on Sunday is important.
That is why that seal is that way and why that community, like the
many you have mentioned now, suddenly has to decide can we fund this
fight? Can we finance this fight? Is this a fight? Not even as much
whether we can win it or not as should we give into clearly this
blackmail virtually against what we want our city seal to look like.
So they are fighting that same fight right now; and if the opposition
wins, just, perhaps like Edmond, Oklahoma, suddenly faith will be gone
as a reflection of that community.
Mr. ISTOOK. I might mention, because I have read comments from
different city officials and the city of Republic, and they make the
point that that is meant to be an emblem of religion, the principles of
religion generally as opposed to saying it has to be any one particular
faith.
Indeed, I asked the Congressional Research Service to look at this
for me. They gave me information today that, actually, the symbol of a
fish has been used for thousands of years around the world, even before
Christianity has been used for a thousand of years, even before the
life of Christ as a religious symbol. They indicated it had been used
in China, in India, in Egypt, in Greece, in Rome in Scandinavia, in the
Mideast, even before Jesus Christ was born.
Mr. BLUNT. So our research here indicates this is a universal kind of
symbol that reflects faith, religion, not exclusive, but reflective of
something that that community would think was important.
Mr. ISTOOK. But there is no perfect symbol. There will always be, to
any symbol, some people who object, saying I do not like that. In the
case of Edmond, Oklahoma, I thought it was an outrageous comment, but
they had a person saying, well, every time I see the city seal on a
police car or something, it makes me feel like a second-class citizen.
So what the courts did was they elevated this subjective approach,
the fact that somebody felt bad maybe because they were thin-skinned or
sensitive or maybe they had had some unfortunate incidents in their
life, but because somebody felt bad, it trumped the constitutional
rights of free speech and free expression and freedom of religion of
everybody else.
That is the problem with the court decisions. They say unless it is
unanimous, unless everybody agrees on some religious expression, you
cannot have it, and maybe not even then.
Well, you do not expect that of anything else. Why use the first
amendment as a weapon against religion, which is what the courts are
doing, saying that you do not have freedom of expression of religion,
that it is supposedly creating a freedom from hearing about religion on
behalf of people that do not want to hear it.
Mr. BLUNT. Every poll I see, if the gentleman would yield, indicates
that 98 percent of Americans believe in God.
Mr. ISTOOK. Yes.
Mr. BLUNT. It is hard to think of anything else that 98 percent of
all Americans would believe in that we would have to eradicate from our
discussion, from our symbols, from our public places of assembly. In
fact, I am not sure there is anything else that 98 percent of all
Americans believe in.
We try to focus our public discourse and our public displays under
these court rulings as if the 2 percent were the 98 percent; that we
all have to believe and act like we do not believe in any being greater
than ourselves; that faith is not part of not only communities, but
part of individual lives. It is just not there.
I do not think there is another example of anything that is so
universally held by Americans, that is so universally rejected by the
Supreme Court over the last 30 years; that was so universally accepted
by the Supreme Court in the 175 years that were closer to the founders
who wrote the Constitution and added that Bill of Rights.
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Mr. ISTOOK. Let me just make a quick reference. I know there is
another member that would like to get involved in this. We look at our
currency, and this is the back of the one dollar bill, it says, of
course, ``in God we trust.''
A lot of people do not notice something else. If you look here in
this circle of the Great Seal of the United States, on the front side
of it you have the eagle, and above its head is a cluster of 13 stars.
But look at the pattern in which those stars are arranged. It is a Star
of David, the symbol of another faith, Judaism. Are we to say that the
Great Seal of the United States of America is unconstitutional because
it includes an emblem of the Jewish faith? I do not think so.
I think that that shows, again, a recognition and what should be an
acceptance of many different faiths, but you do it by permitting, not
by excluding.
I would like to yield to the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Dickey).
Mr. DICKEY. Let me show my support for what you all are talking about
by telling a little story that occurred in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, my
hometown. We had a Fellowship of Christian Athletes there, it was
trying to get started, and a minister was trying to sponsor it. He
worked hard at it, but he could come only at certain times, so some of
us were called and asked as laymen to come help with the program.
We had five or six people that were coming to the meetings once a
week. We started working on it, a bunch of our communities started
working on it, and we got the attendance up to maybe 200 in a given
week. We set records as far as sending people to the national
conference. We had 75 that went to Tulsa one year. We had three buses
of
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kids. We had kids that were working after school on these projects and
on the weekends. We had what is called an Olympics Day, as I recall,
and we had a contest. We made up our own athletic contest. We did
things with the cheerleaders and the girls.
So, what happened? Slowly the opposition started building. First of
all, people came in and said, ``Oh, you are taking money away from the
school.'' We said, ``No, we have been raising money and putting it into
the school Treasury, and at the end of the year the school has been
taking it. So the school has been making money off of it.'' They said,
``This is supported by a church.'' We said, ``No, it is not. We do not
even have a minister who is involved.''
So that went by the wayside. Then they said at one point we were
favoring one donut store over others, and that was the reason we were
having the breakfast meetings.
Then we prayed for victories before the game. We said yes, we did. We
prayed for victories, the kids prayed for victories before the game. We
also prayed we had good health and that no one was hurt on the other
side either.
Finally, finally, after about seven or eight years, a letter came
from a person of another faith who said, ``We are going to have to
consider legal action if you all do not stop or disband the Fellowship
of Christian Athletes.''
I happened to take a call after we said we couldn't continue, after
the school said we could not go any further, I happened to take a call
from one of the kids who said, Mr. Dickey, why are we not going to have
the FCA anymore?
I could not answer it then, and I cannot answer it now, because what
we have done is we have said to the parents and to the families, that
which you are teaching your children at home and that which your
pastors, when you take your kids to church, that what your pastors are
teaching your kids and the Sunday school classes, those things are
against the law. God is against the law. You cannot mention him in your
schools, unless in fact you do it by taking God's name in vain. Of
course, that is protected. But you cannot mention God. You are not
going to have anything like Jesus Christ being mentioned, because that
is against the law.
In 1962, in my opinion, when we decided in our wisdom that we were
going to take over the schools and not give God any place, he sat there
and probably said, ``Okay, we will just see how you all work it out. I
have carried it forward.''
Harvard was a theological school. Our kids were taught in the early
days by ministers. They were the teachers in the early days. We had
Bible-believing people who brought this country to where it is. It was
not because we were the smartest, it was not because we were the
hardest working, it was not because we were the most militarily strong
country. It is because God was blessing our country like no other
country in the history of the world.
So what are we doing? We are turning our back on God and saying, ``We
can take it from here; you go worry about somebody in some other
area.'' We are reaping the whirlwind because of that.
I am very much in favor of this, Mr. Istook, and I want you to know
that I appreciate very much what you have said, and I am very happy to
be here and discuss this with you. I think it is a vital issue, and I
think the real America, the America that wants to respond and say thank
you to the founders, is solidly behind us, and I think it is only our
duty to go forward and present it for a vote.
Mr. ISTOOK. I thank the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Dickey).
I appreciate, Mr. Speaker, the many Members who have joined together
in supporting this amendment, because the American people have never
accepted what the Supreme Court has done in taking the First Amendment,
which is meant to protect religion, as a shield for freedom of
religion, and instead they have used it as a weapon, as a sword against
religious freedom, saying that, you know, you have enough chance to
speak freely about your religion in private, or maybe at church or
other places, and you do not need to be able to do so if you are
present on public property.
Yet our children are required to be at school, because we want them
to be educated. We want to have a society that is self-sufficient and
self-reliant, and that means an educated population. But why do we say
that during the time when you are required by law to be at school, you
are also required by law to be isolated from normal religious activity,
things as simple and common and ordinary and as positive as a prayer,
the simple prayer of a child of faith and hope at the start of the day?
And if children want to join together and have a prayer, let them do
so.
To say that we believe in religious diversity means that we recognize
there will be different prayers offered. The Religious Freedom
Amendment carefully makes sure that we do not have government officials
composing a prayer or insisting that a prayer must be said or insisting
that anybody must take part in a prayer. There is an express
prohibition against that. But yet there is the freedom, the
opportunity, the ability for people to join in prayer together.
I think that it is a sad day to read, as I read in one newspaper
recently, can you imagine a newspaper editorial writer actually wrote,
``Freedom to pray should stop at the schoolhouse door.'' I read that in
the Arizona republic, in an editorial that they wrote just in this last
week. They said ``Freedom to pray should stop at the schoolhouse
door.''
Now, what else are we going to say? Does that newspaper want freedom
of the press to stop at the schoolhouse door? Do they want to say that
newspapers should be banned in public schools because, after all, they
may bring in ideas that not everyone likes? They may bring in some
things that are controversial. They may bring in things that make some
people uncomfortable. They may bring in, along with the news and
information of the day, they may bring in some negative influences too.
Do we say, therefore, that the bad outweighs the good and we should not
have free speech?
No. We have free speech because we believe that most speech is good,
that most ideas are reasonably presented, and if that means that
sometimes there is a price to pay, that we let someone with an
unpopular idea have the respect for their ideas, just as respect is
given to good ideas, then we understand that.
I heard a Member of this House, Mr. Speaker, in the last week take to
the floor and say that, well, he was concerned that supposedly what we
are doing is opening the door for unpopular groups or cults, or even a
group such as a satanic group, to come into schools.
Well, Mr. Speaker, this does not open the door for just anybody to
come into school. The schoolhouse door is open for children, for those
who have a right to be there. This amendment does nothing to invite
other people in.
But if we believe in the right to pray, his opinion was that you will
only have negative influences and you will only have negative prayers,
or at least that is all that he seems to hear.
But, Mr. Speaker, in my lifetime, in my lifetime, it is almost never
that I have ever heard in public or private a prayer that is anything
other than a positive experience; and if in order to hear millions of
positive prayers, do we say that we are going to suppress them just
because once in a very extremely isolated incident there may be someone
who uses that same freedom to say something that almost all of us would
not like, do we therefore ban prayers in public schools?
I think not. Besides which, if you want to look at the negative
influences in school, you will have many people that will tell you, you
have already got the devil in public schools, because they will point
to the rates of crime, they will point to the rates of violence, they
will point to drug use, they will point to alcohol, they will point to
gangs, they will point to teenage pregnancies. And do not tell me that
you do not have devilish influences in public schools. But yet what the
Supreme Court does is not to keep out that type of influence, but to
keep out the good, godly, positive, uplifting, spiritual prayers and
influences.
That is what has happened. It is the sanitizing of that which is
good, and leaving only that which is base or suspect or negative. That
is what happens when you try to remove the positive religious
influences from a society.
Government does not have the job of telling us what to believe or
that we
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must believe anything about religion, but it also should not have the
job of censoring those who want to simply recognize their religious
heritage or religion or to offer a simple prayer, who have a right to
be in public schools, that are required by law to be in public school.
And the ones who want to pray are the true captive audience in our
public schools, because they are not permitted to do what is normal and
good.
We have prayer to open sessions of this House. We have prayers to
open sessions of State legislatures and city councils, chamber of
commerce meetings, Kiwanis Club meetings, Rotary Club meetings and a
vast number of organizations and groups within our society, because
they know it is something that is powerful, something that is good,
something that is part of the common bond that brings us together and
puts the accent on what we share, not only how we are different.
I think it is useful to understand, as a Supreme Court justice wrote,
that you do not isolate children from the understanding that, yes,
there are different ways that people go about these things. There are
different ways in which people may offer the prayer. There are
different faiths. And if you believe in diversity, you do not believe
in isolating children from that knowledge, until suddenly they are
adult and say oh, this is an adult topic. Now you are ready to handle
it.
No, this is a topic that starts at our very earliest age, and is
something that brings with it the values and traditions and beliefs of
the United States of America itself.
Mr. Speaker, it was a sad day when organizations such as the ACLU
persuaded the Supreme Court to distort the First Amendment, and we have
had a number of sad days since then where they have continued to
distort it, to use it not to promote religious freedom, but to use it
as a weapon against religion.
So I find there are some myths that are out there. There is a myth,
some say, oh, the amendment is not really needed. We do not need a
religious freedom amendment; we have the First Amendment already.
Mr. Speaker, if we were talking about the First Amendment as
understood by the Founding Fathers, I think we would all agree, because
then we would not have the warping of it from the courts. But as I
mentioned before, in 1962 the court struck down not only mandatory, but
also voluntarily, prayers by students together in public schools. In
1980 they said the Ten Commandments have to come down. In 1985 they
said it is unconstitutional to have a moment of silence. In 1992 they
said a prayer at a school graduation was unconstitutional.
What we have left is not neutrality towards religion. It is negative.
Yes, school Bible clubs may exist, but they are under restrictions that
do not apply to other school clubs.
The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, William
Rehnquist, in Wallace v. Jaffree talked about how people throw around,
rather than the language of the First Amendment, Congress shall make no
law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof, they throw around instead a catch-phrase which they
call separation of church and State. But I find what they mean by it
and what different people mean will vastly vary. Because, you see, Mr.
Speaker, we have people that believe that as government has grown, it
is in every aspect of our society today. It is larger than it ever has
been before.
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As government has grown, if the rule is separation of church and
State, where government goes religion cannot be. Where government
enters religion must exit. If they say separation of church and State
is the guideline, then that means as government grows, religion must
shrink.
Let me tell my colleagues what the Chief Justice William Rehnquist
wrote about it. This was in that moment of silence case, Wallace v.
Jaffree. The Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, William
Rehnquist, said the use of the term separation of church and State has
caused what he called ``a mischievous diversion of judges from the
actual intention of the drafters of the Bill of Rights. A metaphor
based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to
judging what should be, frankly and explicitly, abandoned.'' That is
the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.
Now, I am not proposing that we abandon the proper interpretation,
but it has been twisted and distorted and used as a weapon against
religion.
Then we have another myth that somehow government would declare an
official faith, that supposedly that is what people want with the
Religious Freedom Amendment. Not so. That is why we expressly have the
language in it to reiterate what the First Amendment already says,
because we are not replacing it; we are only putting this to lay
alongside it. But the Religious Freedom Amendment also says, ``Neither
the United States nor any State shall establish any official
religion.''
Then we have the myth that, oh, society is more diverse. Nonsense.
There were many different religions in the days of the Founding
Fathers. There are many different religions today. If they say, well,
some people do not want to hear the prayer, what they are really saying
is that the most intolerant persons in our society are now told that
they can stifle the rest of us. Not because there is anything wrong
with what people are saying in a prayer or about their religion, but
because some people are so intolerant, they do not want to hear it.
We hear them say things like, oh, it makes me feel bad, or I feel
like I do not belong. Mr. Speaker, all of us at one time or another in
our lives feel like we may not belong. But part of life is learning
that we do belong, and that we believe in things that are common, and
the Religious Freedom Amendment restates what we have in common.
Then we have the myth that religion belongs only in the home. Can we
imagine if the Founding Fathers had written that we will have freedom
of religion only in our homes and no place else; that as government
grew and government property was everywhere, that we could not have
freedom of religion if we were standing on government property?
Whether it be standing in this Chamber of the House of
Representatives, or standing in a schoolroom or in a classroom, to say
that religious freedom stops when one goes into the schoolhouse, as
this newspaper in Arizona said, is not the American way. It is not what
we believe as Americans. And yet, the Supreme Court has been adopting
that philosophy of saying the First Amendment is meant to protect from
religion rather than to protect religion.
Mr. Speaker, it is the first time that this House, since 1971, will
have a vote on a school prayer amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the
first time. It has been 27 years; that is far too long. The amendment
has been through a number of hearings that were held all over the
country by the Committee on the Judiciary over the last 2 or 3 years.
It has been approved by the Subcommittee on the Constitution. It has
been approved by the Committee on the Judiciary. It is supported by a
multitude of religious and faith-based groups, because they believe
that religious liberty indeed has been threatened in the United States
of America by the Supreme Court decisions, which will be corrected by
the Religious Freedom Amendment.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to offer two documents for the Record. One
is a newspaper article from the Human Events publication that was
published this week, an article I authored regarding the Religious
Freedom Amendment. Also, I will provide to the Clerk, as well, a copy
of a document that was written by the Ethics and Religious Liberty
Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. I would like to offer
both of those to appear in the Record following my remarks.
Mr. Speaker, I know that we cannot discuss everything about this
amendment this evening, and we are continuing to discuss it. But I want
to commend the attention of every Member of this body and anyone else
who is interested in it that we do have a Web site that talks about
much of this. That is, religiousfreedom.house.gov., and I hope that
people will take a look at that because, Mr. Speaker, the American
people need to tell their Member of Congress now that they want and
expect their support for the Religious Freedom Amendment, we are
approximately 3 weeks away from the vote the
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first week in June, to say that once again in the schools of America,
government will not insist that it happen, but we will permit students
who want to engage in prayer in public school to be able to do so,
whether it be a public school or a graduation or a football game, to
give that freedom once more that has been taken away by these decisions
of the U.S. Supreme Court.
Mr. Speaker, I urge all who are hearing or watching this evening to
contact their Member of Congress and tell them, we need you to support
the Religious Freedom Amendment.
Mr. Speaker, the material previously referred to is as follows:
Fact Sheet on the RFA
[The following is from a recent publication by the Ethics and Religious
Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention]
The Religious Freedom Amendment (RFA) is a proposed
amendment to the United States Constitution. The language of
the amendment is as follows:
``To secure the people's right to acknowledge God according
to the dictates of conscience. Neither the United States nor
any State shall establish any official religion, but the
people's right to pray and to recognize their religious
beliefs, heritage or traditions on public property, including
schools, shall not be infringed. Neither the United States
nor any State shall require any person to join in prayer or
other religious activity, prescribe school prayers,
discriminate against religion, or deny equal access to a
benefit on account of religion.''
What the Religious Freedom Amendment Would and Would Not Do:
It WOULD correct years of judicial misinterpretation of the
establishment clause.
It WOULD NOT revoke the establishment clause.
It WOULD reverse many of the restrictions the courts have
placed upon the free exercise of religion, on government
property in general, and public schools in particular.
It WOULD NOT permit government-sponsored religion or
proselytizing.
It WOULD allow greater freedom for students who wish to
pray.
It WOULD NOT ``require'' prayer in public schools.
It WOULD require government to treat all religions fairly.
It WOULD NOT permit preference for one religion or sect
over another.
It WOULD advance belief in religious freedom.
It WOULD NOT advance any particular religious belief.
It WOULD give greater protection to individuals against
government intrusion.
It WOULD NOT create any new right for government.
It WOULD guarantee that no person be discriminated against
on account of religion.
It WOULD NOT require than any person be given special
status on account of religion.
It WOULD require equal access to all people regardless of
religion.
It WOULD NOT require unreasonable access to government
facilities.
It WOULD protect the liberty of conscience of all people.
It WOULD NOT protect only the liberty of people of a
majority faith, or of a minority faith, or of no faith.
Why do we need a constitutional amendment?
``We have given the courts more than 30 years to get this
issue right, and they have persisted in not doing so.
Legislative remedies would in all probability be overturned
by the present federal judiciary. It is time for the people
to give the courts further instructions . . . by the means
provided by our founders, namely amending the Constitution.
We must . . . constitutionally guarantee the free exercise of
public school students and all citizens. We do not ask for,
and do not want, government's help in expressing our beliefs
or acknowledging our religious heritage. The most and best
government can do is guarantee a level playing field and then
stay off the field.''
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[From Human Events, May 15, 1998]
Congress Soon to Vote on Religious Freedom Amendment--Refuting Seven
Anti-RFA Myths
(By Representative Ernest J. Istook, Jr.)
the religious freedom amendment
``To secure the people's right to acknowledge God according
to the dictates of conscience: Neither the United States nor
any State shall establish any official religion, but the
people's right to pray and to recognize their religious
beliefs, heritage or traditions on public property, including
schools, shall not be infringed. Neither the United States
nor any state shall require any person to join in prayer or
other religious activity, prescribe school prayers,
discriminate against religion, or deny equal access to a
benefit on account of religion.''
In the first week of June, the U.S. House of
Representatives is expected to vote on the Religious Freedom
Amendment (RFA), also known as House Joint Resolution (HJ
Res) 78. It will be the first time in nearly 28 years that
the House has held a vote on a proposed constitutional
amendment dealing with voluntary school prayer and religious
freedom.
It will correct 36 years of Supreme Court decisions that
have warped the original plain and simple meaning of our
religious rights under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.
Here is what it will do:
For the first time, our Constitution will mention America's
belief in God. Every one of our 50 states has an express
reference to God within their state Constitutions. The
Religious Freedom Amendment does so for the federal
Constitution; it echoes the words in the Declaration of
Independence, where our Founding Fathers wrote that our
unalienable rights come not from government, but are an
endowment from our Creator.
Student-initiated and voluntary prayers could be voiced in
public schools, whether in classrooms, school assemblies,
graduations, sporting events, or other occasions. Court
decisions restrict almost all school prayers; the minor
exceptions are usually limited to clubs that gather before or
after the school day, and even then only with special
controls. The RFA does not permit teachers or any other agent
of government to proselytize, or to dictate that any person
must join in prayer, or to prescribe what prayer should be
said.
The Ten Commandments could again be posted in public
schools and other public buildings. The Supreme Court banned
the Ten Commandments from school buildings in 1980, but the
RFA directs that the people's religious beliefs, heritage and
traditions may again be recognized on public property,
including schools. (However, the RFA expressly maintains the
prohibition on any official religion for America!)
Holiday displays such as Nativity scenes and menorahs, and
the singing of Christmas carols, would be protected on public
property. The Supreme Court has made it difficult or
impossible to recognize special occasions, and the threat of
lawsuits has intimidated schools to go even farther than the
court has dictated. The RFA fixes this.
Government programs could not use religion as an excuse to
deny a benefit. There could be no direct government subsidy
to any religion or church, but when government creates a
program that furthers other purposes, it could not exclude
any group because of their religious affiliation. For
example, any government aid to nonpublic schools would have
to include families who send their child to a church-
affiliated school. As another example, if private drug
treatment programs are funded, faith-based drug treatment
programs could not be excluded.
Over 150 members of Congress have joined to co-sponsor the
Religious Freedom Amendment. Opponents of the left typically
resort to smear tactics against it and use hackneyed catch-
phrases to try to control the issue and to limit debate.
They attempt to mold the issue by getting the media to use
terms such as ``state-sponsored prayer,'' ``official
prayer,'' ``religious coercion,'' ``mandatory prayer,'' and
the ever-popular (but extremely misunderstood) ``separation
of church and state.''
And a small number on the right claim that if we amend the
Constitution, we are agreeing that the Supreme Court
possessed the power to make the rulings that the RFA will
correct.
In typical fashion, the mass media cover the myths about
the RFA rather than explore the issue. We who love the
Founding Father's concept of religious freedom must respond
to these myths with the truth about how our courts have
attacked that concept.
myth #1: Amendment Isn't Really Needed
``We don't need another constitutional amendment because
freedom of religion is fully protected under the 1st
Amendment, and we have the highest degree of religious
liberty anywhere in the world. Students already can pray, and
even meet in thousands of school Bible clubs. This new
proposal violates the constitutional principle of separation
of church and state.''
The issue is not how much religious liberty remains, but
instead is how much has been lost. The record shows the
Supreme Court had misused the 1st Amendment to attack and
limit religion rather than to protect it as the 1st Amendment
intended. Prayer and religious speech are being restricted
when other speech is not, supposedly as required by this very
1st Amendment!
In 1962, the court struck down not only mandatory and
government-composed prayers, but also prayers overlapping
with a school activity, even, they said ``when observance on
the part of the students is voluntary'' (Engel v. Vitale).
In 1980 the Supreme Court ruled that the Ten Commandments
cannot be displayed in public school (Stone v. Graham),
reasoning that otherwise the students might ``revere . . .
and obey them.''
In 1985 (Wallace v. Jaffree) the court voided a moment of
silence law, saying it was unconstitutional because it would
have permitted silent prayer.
A 1992 ruling (Lee v. Weisman) said a graduation prayer was
unconstitutional, because students shouldn't be asked to
respect religious expression.
What we have left is not neutral toward religion. School
Bible clubs may exist, to be sure, but they are under
restrictions that don't apply to other school clubs. (They
cannot meet during school hours, or have an advisor, etc.)
The phrase ``separation of church and state'' doesn't come
from the Constitution.
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The 1st Amendment was meant simply to affirm that America
never should make any faith an official or required
religion. ``Separation of church and state'' has been
pushed as a substitute, sponsored by those who are
intolerant of religion and those who believe in big
government. Under their approach, as government expands
into more aspects of life, religion must be pushed aside,
to assure that ``separation.'' It conveniently also pushes
aside the values that religion brings to our lives--values
often at odds with big government.
The Chief Justice of the United States, William Rehnquist,
pinpointed the problem. Writing in his dissent in Wallace v.
Jaffree, Rehnquist wrote that this wrongful use of the term
``separation of church and state'' has caused a ``mischievous
diversion of judges from the actual intentions of the
drafters of the Bill of Rights. . . . The `wall of separation
between church and State' is a metaphor based on bad history,
a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It
should be frankly and explicitly abandoned.''
myth #2: government will declare an official faith
``This allows a government to favor majority religions at
the expense of others--to declare an official faith, such as
designating us a `Christian Nation.' ''
The RFA explicitly says otherwise; it does not permit any
faith to be given ``official'' status. Moreover, it does not
repeal the 1st Amendment (``Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof''), but simply corrects its faulty
interpretation by the courts.
Some seek to pervert the intent of the Bill of Rights by
claiming that it's intended to protect only minorities; the
true intent is to protect all of us, minority and majority.
But the courts are wrongfully using it to suppress the
majority who believe prayer and religious expression are
proper in public places.
The Supreme Court has ruled the Constitution does not
permit symbols of hate to be banned, such as a Nazi swastika.
Yet they say it does require the banning of symbols of love
and hope, such as a cross, or a Nativity scene on public
property. Government agencies have also banned religious
items and symbols from workers' desks, including Christian
and non-Christian items, and ``Merry Christmas'' and ``Happy
Hannukah'' banners in post offices.
myth #3: won't work in diverse society
``School prayer can't work in today's diverse society.
There's no way to decide who would pray, or who would compose
the prayer. And it makes a captive audience of students who
don't want to hear a prayer.''
This myth is really a way of attacking free speech itself.
If nobody can speak unless everyone agrees, then we have
censorship, not freedom. It's dangerous to impose silence
simply because someone else disagrees.
We don't ask ``How could free speech work?'' because we
know that neither the courts nor our government should make
that decision for us. The same is true with prayer and other
religious speech--individuals and groups can work together
however they see fit, so long as they don't compel anyone
else to take part. Didn't we all learn in kindergarten about
taking turns?
Contrary to what the ``political correctness'' movement
seeks, there is no constitutional protection from hearing
something we don't like. In schools and public settings, we
learn to be tolerant by respecting differing views.
The best model to follow is how we conduct the Pledge of
Allegiance. Most students recite it, but some sit silently,
and a few even leave the room. The Supreme Court ruled that
no student can be compelled to say the Pledge, but those who
object are not permitted to silence those who wish to say it.
This is the best model for voluntary school prayer.
Students who wish could rotate and take turns just as they do
on everything else. It is something simple, just as it was in
America's schools for almost 200 years, except that
government would not be permitted to select a prayer for
students, nor require joining in any prayer.
myth #4: here comes the witches
``Aren't we just inviting cults, witches and Satanists to
come into public schools and influence our children?''
This is a scare tactic, because there's no real threat of
this type. It never surfaced when school prayer was common,
and any such effort would remain exceedingly rare. Would we
silence millions of prayers from fear that the privilege
would be abused on extremely rare occasions--if even then?
Just as free speech does not give a student the right to
interrupt and change topics in class, the RFA does not permit
disruptions. It would not require schools to bring in outside
groups. Students who belong to highly unpopular groups might
indeed want an equal chance to offer a prayer on extremely
rare occasions at some school, but this is no reason to
censor all prayers across America. It is extremely rare that
we hear a truly offensive prayer; it would remain that way .
Those who object strongly may always leave rather than
listen to somebody's free speech, but equal treatment does
not permit us to silence someone simply because we disagree,
even in a public place. We only need to apply normal rules of
orderly behavior, just as free speech does not allow someone
to yell, ``Fire'' in a crowded theater. Those standards would
remain in constitutional law.
Far-fetched versions of this argument claim the amendment
would protect animal sacrifice and other hideous practices,
which it absolutely would not do. The 1st Amendment yields
when necessary to avoid, as the courts express it,
``substantial threat to public safety, peace and order.'' The
courts maintain that free exercise of religion is not a
license to disregard general laws on behavior, such as those
against advocating the violent overthrow of the government,
polygamy, the use of illegal drugs, and prostitution. Those
types of protections would continue under the Religious
Freedom Amendment.
myth #5: religion belongs only in the home
``Children should be taught religion at home and church,
not at school they have plenty of time and opportunity to
pray in other places; they don't need to do so at school.''
The FEA is not about teaching religious doctrine, but about
permitting people to keep their faith as a normal part of
everyday life. If we have freedom of religion only when we
are at home or at church, we do not have true freedom of
religion. We would never give up the right to free speech
except at home, church, or some other limited places.
This notion also ignores the rights of the majority, who
are required to be in school (for the biggest part of their
day), yet are forced to leave their normal religious
expressions behind while they are there. As Justice Potter
Stewart noted in his dissent in Abington v. Schemp (1963),
``a compulsory state educational system so structures a
child's life that if religious exercises are held to be an
impermissible activity in schools, religion is placed at an
artificial and state-created disadvantage. Viewed in this
light, permission for such exercises for those who want them
is necessary if the schools are truly to be neutral in the
matter of religion.'' The real ``captive audience'' is the
majority whose right to pray together is being suppressed!
myth #6: This Is About Money
``This is about money, not about prayer or religion. The
federal treasury should not be funding churches and religious
groups, or vouchers for church schools.''
The amendment does not permit public funding of actual
religious activity. We have a long history, however, of
cooperative efforts for the common good, and religious groups
have a solid established role, which is now being attacked.
Students attending church colleges and universities already
qualify for GI Bill benefits and student loans, and they
should. The Congressional Research Service reported last year
on 51 federal statutes and regulations that disqualify
religious organizations or adherents from neutral
participation in generalized government programs!
This discrimination needs correction, especially since
faith-based charities have a better record of success than
most in helping people recover from poverty, drug or alcohol
abuse, or other problems.
When the Murrah Federal Building was bombed in Oklahoma
City in April 1995, churches suffered some of the heaviest
damage. Attorneys for the federal government were ready to
deny them the same disaster assistance every other building
received. It took congressional action to assure equal and
fair treatment for church buildings.
Myth #7: Real Problem But Wrong Solution
``The problem is real, but the solution is wrong. Let's
tell the Supreme Court we don't recognize its authority to
make these horrible rulings.''
We are challenged to be an orderly society that believes in
honoring the law. Some questions whether we took a wrong turn
two hundred years ago, when the Supreme Court became the de
facto arbiter of interpreting the Constitution. It's a
practical impossibility now to persuade the country
otherwise. Yet the people are ready to support a
constitutional amendment on school prayer; 36 years of public
opinion polls show support from 75% and more of the public.
If we teach our children to ignore what the courts say,
then we are not teaching respect for the law; we would be
teaching anarchy, whether we thought so or not. Everyone
could ignore whatever court rulings they found inconvenient,
whether on religion, crime, drugs, or any other issue.
We've tried every other approach, and are left with a
constitutional amendment as the only legitimate remedy. Our
Founding Fathers foresaw possible problems, and so created a
mechanism for amending the Constitution. It was used for an
anti-slavery amendment after the Dred Scott decision, and
it's the mechanism being followed by the Religious Freedom
Amendment.
Some suggest that Article III should be used, and that
Congress can and should altogether remove federal court
jurisdiction over selected topics. This is not just mistaken;
it's dangerous. If Congress can bar the Supreme Court from
taking cases in the freedom of religion, they can also be
barred from ruling on other issues found in the Constitution
and the Bill of Rights: There would be no way to halt an act
of Congress that restricted free speech, or freedom to
assemble, or the right to keep and bear arms, or the right to
be compensated if government takes our property, or the right
to a jury trial, or any other constitutional right. Congress
would be enabled to amend and attack our constitution rights,
and we would have no remedy for it. We already have a problem
because courts are usurping authority; this
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supposed `remedy' would enable Congress to unsurp authority.
The Religious Freedom Amendment took nearly three years to
draft, building widespread support among people of many
faiths, both Christian and non-Christian. It is the product
of painstaking and prayerful work. Now it's being assailed by
demagogues who prey upon those who aren't informed about what
the courts have done, or about how the Religious Freedom
Amendment can repair that damage.
One quick way to inform yourself, and your friends, is
through the Religious Freedom Amendment website, at religious
freedom.house.gov. There, you can find both simple and
detailed information, and download handouts to share with
others.
Armed with facts and with prayer, supporters of religious
freedom can successfully uphold their principles, and build
more support for the RFA. It's vital that each and every
member of Congress be overwhelmed by citizen's calls and
letters, and that newspapers, talk radio and other media be
swamped as well.
The American people have never accepted the Supreme Court's
extra burdens levied against voluntary school prayer and
against religious freedom during the past 36 years. For the
first time, an amendment to remedy this has passed a House
subcommittee and committee to come to the floor (the 1971
vote occurred only because of a petition by a majority of
members of the House).
We have the opportunity of a lifetime, and we must be
informed and ready to protect our religious freedom, and to
reverse the attacks that threaten it.
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