[Congressional Record Volume 144, Number 24 (Tuesday, March 10, 1998)]
[House]
[Pages H941-H949]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
AN AMERICAN DREAM
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Jones). Under the Speaker's announced
policy of January 7, 1997, the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Neumann)
is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
Mr. NEUMANN. Mr. Speaker, I rise tonight to talk about this great
Nation we live in. I was reminded over the weekend just what a great
country it
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is, and I would like to challenge all of my colleagues tonight that we
dare to dream about what we can do next in this great country of ours.
Back in 1980, I was teaching math, earning about $8,500 a year. We
had two young children. I can remember distinctly the day we walked
through the store, filled our grocery cart. As a math teacher, I added
up how much the groceries were and we could not pay for them. We
stopped that day and we said, we have a dream. We would like to live a
better life.
In this great country that we live in, we took a chance and we
started a business in the basement of our home. We dared to dream that
in this great country, the United States of America, that if you want
to start a business on your own, work very hard, you could be
successful.
The business grew and expanded and eventually we were able to move to
an office. That was in Milton, Wisconsin. Six years later we dreamed
again. We said, we have this dream that we would like to build
something. We would like to provide job opportunities in this great
Nation where we live. We would like to provide other people with the
opportunities to live the American dream as our company grew.
We started building homes that year, 1986. We built nine homes. We
lost $20,000 plus my salary, and it almost seemed like our dreams were
going to be shattered in that year. But this is America. We would not
let those dreams be shattered.
We turned the company around the second year. We built 27 homes,
turning a profit, providing 54 job opportunities in southern Wisconsin;
and by four years later we had put this circle on a map. It was a
circle, a 60-mile radius of Janesville, Wisconsin. We had this dream
that we could build houses all through that 60-mile radius of
Janesville, Wisconsin.
By 4 years later, we were building 120 homes a year, providing 250
job opportunities. We had watched not only our own company grow and the
job opportunities that that company provided, but we watched other
people in the industry grow right along with us, a heating contractor
and electrical contractor, all the other people that were so actively
involved in this home building business.
We turned that business over to some other folks and ran for
Congress. We lost twice. We had this dream that in this great Nation we
lived in we were going to stop our government from spending our
children's money. That was our dream. We left the private sector with
this very positive business and ran for office twice.
I ran against Les Aspin. Looking back on it, a person who had been in
office for 22 years, a very respected Member of Congress, it was a very
difficult task, but I knew in the United States of America if you had a
dream you were allowed to pursue that dream.
We ran twice and lost. We came back. The third time I was elected to
Congress and I came here with a very definite dream.
That is why I rise tonight. I want to talk about that dream and how
far we have come with that dream and then I want to dare to dream as we
look forward to this country and look at what we could possibly do to
make a America a better nation for our children.
When we got here in 1995, I dug this out to come over here tonight,
this is a copy of what we called America's Contract with Our Children.
In our first three months in office, with the help of lots of other
folks, we put together a budget resolution, and we at that time were in
an environment where we kept hearing about how we were going to promise
the American people we could balance the budget by 2002. Many of us
came in from the private sector, never having served in government
before, and we had heard these promises, way back to 1985, of Gramm-
Rudman-Hollings. In 1987, we heard them again. In 1990 they said they
had to raise our taxes to get the job done; 1993, they said they had to
raise our taxes again.
We came in with a different idea. We came in with a dream. We came in
with this dream for America that rather than raising taxes on the
working people, getting more money into Washington, that instead we
would control Washington. And people looked at us and they said, you
cannot get Washington spending under control. There are too many
special interests out there. There are too many other people out there
that are not going to let you control the growth of Washington
spending.
That did not stop us from dreaming. We put this budget plan together
and it really, at that point it was a dream. The main components of
this budget plan that we put together, and it was very detailed, it was
not just a few sheets of paper, it showed exactly how to get the job
done; we were going to balance the budget, and not in the year 2002. We
were going to balance the budget in 1999. Our dream was that we could
get there not on time but ahead of schedule.
We realized that the right move was to control the growth of
Washington spending so we could not only balance the budget, but by
controlling this Washington spending, we could also reduce the tax
burden on the American people.
In this dream, this budget plan that we put together, in this dream
that we had for America, we called for lower taxes, but our dream did
not end there. We realized that this government had been taking money
that was supposed to be set aside, much like a pension plan in my
business that we used to run, a pension plan for our employees. We
realized that this government was taking the pension fund called Social
Security, but instead of putting the money aside that was supposed to
be set aside to preserve and protect the system, it had been spending
that money on all sorts of other things. We dreamed in this budget plan
that we could set that money aside like any other pension plan and
restore Social Security for our senior citizens.
Our dream did not end there. Our dream recognized that even after we
got to a balanced budget and set aside the Social Security money and
lowered taxes, we still had run up a $4.5, $4.9 trillion debt to be
exact, at that point in time. Our dream was that we could start paying
down on that debt so that our children would not inherit this huge
burden as we looked forward to their future.
I brought this with me tonight. I would just like to refer to a
couple pages in it, just to remind Members what it was like back in
1995, as we think about this dream that we had back then.
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Page 1-1 of this budget says that we are going to balance the budget
in 4 years; that is by 1999. We are going to pay off the $4.9 trillion
debt over a 30-year period of time. We are going to quit stealing the
Social Security money. We are going to provide a strong national
defense. Medicare is on the verge of bankruptcy, so we were going to
restore Medicare for our senior citizens. We were not going to require
tax increases to do this. And we were going to provide tax cuts for
workers all across this great Nation that we live in.
The next page in this proposal said what is the difference between
this and what else is being proposed in Washington? Remember, this is
1995. This is our class coming in here and laying out our dream for the
future of this country.
The difference, number one, page 1-2, in this thing: The plan calls
for immediately setting aside surplus funds from Social Security. That
was part of our dream. The plan sets out a path.
Definite difference two: The plan sets out a path to repay the $4.9
trillion dollar national debt by the year 2025.
Difference three: The plan balances the budget not in 2002 but in
1999. Not only that we provide suggested spending reductions for this
government that exceeded the amount necessary to balance the budget in
the year 1999 by $70 billion, so that we can debate what was the
highest priority and not reduce spending in areas that were most
important to our country but go after areas that were least important
to our country. This plan laid all those things out.
I would like to read through a few of the other things; the
environment that we were in back in 1995. Here are a few of the things
that were going on around the world back in 1995 when we dared to dream
that this could happen.
The U.S. debt had grown from $1 trillion to $5 trillion in a 15-year
period of time. Orange County files for bankruptcy. Washington, D.C.
experiences major financial problems. Barings Bank of England
collapses. The dollar slides to record lows against the yen
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and the mark. Interest rates, not coming down like they are today,
interest rates rise 3 percent in a 15-month period of time. The Mexican
collapse is imminent or probable. Canada has serious financial
problems. The January U.S. trade deficit is the worst on record.
This is what we came into in 1995. Just think how much things have
changed and how, by daring to dream, we have been able to bring about
some of these changes in this great country we live in.
So tonight what I would like to do is to challenge my colleagues to
dare to dream with me again. I would like to dare them to dream about a
future in our country, and I would like to dare them to dream about a
few different aspects.
We have already come to a balanced budget. We are going to make our
first payment on the Federal debt three short years into this thing.
Those dreams we had back in 1995 of a balanced budget before the turn
of the century, it is here and it has happened. Our dreams have come
true for the good of the future of this country.
So let us talk about dreaming for the future of America and let us
dare to dream about a better America for the future of our kids. Let us
start by paying off the Federal debt so our children can inherit a
debt-free United States of America. And let me translate that into what
that means.
For our children, if we could be successful at this, we could allow
them to keep $580 a month for every family of five in America in their
home instead of sending it to Washington. Because that is the amount of
money that is necessary to do nothing but pay the interest on the
Federal debt.
So let us dare to dream. And for our seniors, let us dare to dream
that we restore the Social Security Trust Fund. Let us stop taking that
money and spending it on other Washington programs and putting IOUs in
the trust fund. Let us dare to dream we can actually get this
government to do the same thing any business in the private sector
would do for their employees, and that is put real dollars or real
assets into that trust fund so our senior citizens can rest assured
that Social Security is safe and secure for them as we go forward.
I want to dare to dream about the tax rate, too. Because in this
great Nation that we live in, when we go to work and earn a dollar, 37
cents out of every dollar goes to taxation of some form, whether it be
State, local or Federal or property taxes. Whatever form we want to
look at, 37 cents out of every dollar our American worker earns is paid
in in taxes.
So I want to dare to dream again. I want to dream about reducing that
tax rate by a third and more if possible. But let us dream again about
getting our tax rate down to not more than 25 cents out of every dollar
that our American workers earn. And, frankly, I think that number is
too high and maybe we should even dream for a lower number. But for the
time being let us set our dream that we at least reduce the tax burden
on American families all across this Nation by at least a third.
I suggested this at one of our town hall meetings recently, or one of
our meetings with a group of people, and somebody stood up in the room
and said, ``God only asked for 10 percent. Where does government get
off asking for 37?'' That person made a good point. And I think she
said it half tongue-in-cheek, but she was also right on track. Why does
it cost 37 cents out of every dollar of our workers' paychecks to do
nothing but run government at all the different levels, State, local,
and Federal?
And I want to point some more about an education system that makes
our kids number one in the world. I do not like these scores that I am
hearing, where our kids rank somewhere 20th in the world. That is not
acceptable, and I do not think that should be acceptable for us as a
nation.
So when we think about this thing, let us dare to dream that when we
restore our educational system in America to a point where our kids
finish not in the top 2 or 3 or 4, let us get our kids number one in
education in this great country.
How do we go about doing that? Let us fill in some of the blanks of
this dream for education. Let us restore the ability to control
education, put it back in the hands of the parents, put it back in the
hands of the teachers, put it back in the hands of the local community
so they once again control education.
I know my colleague from California is here, but if I can mention one
specific bill that relates to education to help us get to this dream,
one specific bill was introduced by a good friend of mine, the
gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Pitts). His bill would require that 90
cents out of every dollar spent for education be returned to actually
help the kids in the classroom.
Because what happens today is our government collects that money,
brings it out here to Washington, spends 40 cents on the dollar on the
bureaucracy here in Washington, and then our government here
in Washington makes a decision of where to send that other 60 cents
back to. And that is not right. So this bill requires at least 90 cents
out of every dollar be returned to the classroom. I think it would be a
great part of this dream for the future of our country.
Mr. Speaker, I would be glad to yield to my colleague from
California.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I thank my friend, the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr.
Neumann).
How can we do this? First of all, good government does not have to be
an oxymoron like it is today. People want their tax dollars to go to
fund good government not wasteful government.
I am glad the gentleman talked about education. I have two focuses in
Congress; one is national security and the other is education. I think
both sides, no matter what the opinions are, education is the key to a
lot of many different areas. It is anticrime, it is antidrug, it is
antipoverty.
My father and mother, who were Democrats, focused on education
because they knew that that was the future. I remember my dad telling
me, he said, ``Son,'' he said, ``if you get a good education,'' and
neither my father or my mother went to college, but they said, ``If you
get a good education and you work hard, you can make tomorrow better
than it is today.'' And that was their definition, very simple
definition of the American dream.
Where are we today? We are sending billions of tax dollars to
Washington, D.C. Now only about 93 percent of education dollars come
from the State. Less than 7 percent come from the Federal Government,
but yet that 7 percent represents about $35 billion. So that 7 percent
is no small number. Now, what I would think that the American people
want, if they send their tax dollars to Washington, is that they get a
return on that dollar that is going to enhance education.
The President, for example, wanted $3 billion for a new literacy
program. California, the State that I come from, is 50th in literacy.
So the gentleman can imagine the jubilation that the folks that said,
hey, California is 50th in literacy; $3 billion for a new literacy
program. That will be good. But if we look at it, the Federal
Government has 14 literacy programs. Title 1, which is the biggest user
of that $35 billion, is one of those. Title 7 is another.
What is wrong with taking one or two of our literacy programs, of the
14 that we currently have, and not just funding them 100 percent but
increasing them because they work, and taking the other 12 that are not
working, and getting rid of the bureaucracy? We have to pay all those
salaries, the buildings, the overhead, the cost of paperwork, the
retirements, which gets us less than 48 cents out of a dollar down to
the classroom. In doing so, by having this other 12, we have to send
our tax dollars to support this level. And that is wrong.
That is what we are saying, is that government can be good
government. We can reduce the cost of government and yet at the same
time benefit the American people, especially in education. And that is
just one example.
And I thank my friend for yielding.
Mr. NEUMANN. Well, Mr. Speaker, I think the next thing I wish to
mention is an area the gentleman is also very concerned about, and I
know of the gentleman's fine work in the area.
As we continue this dream for the future of America, and I do think
it is important we dare to dream, if we had not dared to dream back in
1995 we would not be here today standing here talking about a balanced
budget and
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lower taxes for the first time in 16 years and a Medicare system that
has been restored. That was part of our daring to dream back in 1995.
So today, as we look forward, I think part of this daring to dream as
we look ahead is a strong defense system, a defense system that other
nations around the world look at us and recognize us as the one world
power as it relates to defense. That means we have to adequately fund
the defense budget.
I know that is an area the gentleman is very concerned about.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, I would like to tell the gentleman, if
he will continue to yield, that we just finished with a readiness
hearing in San Diego. We had both Republicans and Democrats from the
Committee on National Security and the defense appropriations
committee. And I was proud of my Democratic colleagues because they not
only recognized but praised the individuals and swore to help the
situation.
Our service chiefs will come and tell us that the budget is okay, but
then between the lines they will tell us of increased operations of 300
percent above the Cold War. Our equipment is 1970s. We have large
numbers of our senior NCOs and aviators getting out of the service
because they are forced to go away.
Take, for example, the U.S.S. Constellation. She got back from a
cruise. This is typical of all services. She got back from a 6-month
cruise. She goes into port into San Diego. April, May, June, July,
August. She has to go up to Bremerton for repairs. Now, all of those
families are in San Diego. So those personnel again, besides on cruise,
have to leave their families.
They are having to cannibalize parts. Several aircraft or squadrons
have only one aircraft to fly because they have to steal those parts.
They call it cannibalization, take that part off those airplanes and
send them to Bosnia and Iraq and where our forward forces are deployed.
Mr. NEUMANN. To that end, I just interviewed a former lieutenant
commander. We were talking about the possibility of him working in our
congressional office. He told the story of every third flight something
breaking down in the aircraft he was flying, and that is one of the
reasons he left the service. It is a very serious problem.
Again, I do not think we should get bogged down, that we look at this
in a very pessimistic way, but rather we need to dare to dream as
Americans that we can find it within ourselves to restore our military
to the strong position that it should be in this world.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I would agree with the gentleman. And instead of
bogging down in the sadness of the state of readiness, there are ways
in which we can actually make a three-cornered Pentagon.
A couple of examples: One, I was able to get $12 million through both
the authorization process and appropriations to copy all defense maps.
All services for $12 million. That was a reduction of 1 to 100th of the
cost. The office of Secretary of Defense held onto the money. They
wanted to steal it. They wanted to reprogram it. They wanted to give it
to NAVCOM. They wanted to do other purposes with it. And we fought for
1 year to get the money released so we could copy those systems. The
services continued at the old rate of copying those services. They
copied 10 percent of those maps, costing $16 million.
One of the things we can do is reduce the size of OSD by at least 35
percent, and streamlining the bureaucracy in the military. That is just
one of a thousand suggestions.
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Mr. NEUMANN. So what the gentleman is saying or suggesting is that by
more efficiently using the dollars that are already being spent for
defense and without raising taxes on the people to fund more defense
spending, there are a lot of ways within the defense plan already that
we could better spend the dollars that are already being spent to
provide for a better defense of our Nation.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Exactly. And when we are trying to balance the
budget, we can look forward that for all of those wastes, from the 12
to $16 million for only 10 percent of what we could have done for 100
percent, taxpayers have got to send their dollars to Washington, D.C.,
turn those around at a very low rate, we can totally eliminate it. And
it is not a question of giving money back from taxes; it is having not
to send it here in the first place to balance the budget.
Mr. NEUMANN. I couldn't agree more. Going on with this dream, we
talked about a debt-free America for our children and how wonderful it
would be if when they had their kids, that they didn't have to pay $580
a month to pay interest on the Federal debt. We talked about restoring
the Social Security Trust Fund. And I think it is important that we
have this dream that our senior citizens can again get up in the
morning and not worry about whether Social Security is going to be
there; and the dream of reducing the tax rates from 37 percent down to
25 percent, that is 37 cents out of every dollar is going to
Government, to down to less than 25 cents, a one-third reduction.
And we have this dream about restoring our education system so that
we are, once again, the number one education system in the entire
world, not two, not three, not four. That is not our target. Our target
is set, number one. And we do that by restoring the control of the
education system back to the parents and the teachers and the
community.
I know my colleague from Arizona (Mr. Hayworth) is very concerned in
this issue as well. I want to continue with this dream for the future
of our country. I want to dream of a drug-free America. I do not want
to dream of a America that has 400,000 or only 400,000 on drugs at the
eighth grade level. I want to dream of an America where we eliminate
drugs. I want to declare war on drugs in this country. And I want to
devote as much time and effort and attention to the drug war as we do
all the other things that are going on in this city right now so that
our kids can once again feel safe going into school, and that they do
not have to feel compelled to try drugs because so many of their
friends are.
We saw a study here that the average student believes that in one
hour they can go out and purchase marijuana in virtually any school
system in the United States of America, and that is not acceptable.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. But that takes real commitment. We cannot just wish
it away. And it is like fighting a war. We cannot just say education is
going to stop drugs. We cannot just say interdiction is going to stop
it. But we have got a gross base on which we have got to reach across
and stop it. And that takes real commitment from the White House, which
we have not had in the past.
We can win the war on drugs. There are always going to be those that
use it and sell it. Those are the ones that you put away and they never
see the light of day. But what we are proposing is not just a word game
to stop crime and drugs, but to actually fight it.
Example: The $7 billion that we spent, and the quote was 100,000
cops, just like a 100,000 teachers, there was no 100,000 cops. The most
they could fund is 20,000, and it was to rain money down to the big
cities so they could get support for reelections. What we want to do is
take the money, give it to the local police force.
Just like my colleague was talking about with education, we want the
teachers, the parents, the community and the extended communities and
the administrators to be able to handle it. Because they know the
needs, they know the first names of your children, not a bureaucrat
here in Washington.
And the same is true in law enforcement. You put the money in the
area. Do you need equipment? Do you need standby? Do you need more
force? And instead of controlling with strings back here in Washington,
it takes an all-out war with generals. And that is why we are calling
for General McCaffrey to get on with it and give us some information on
what he forsees on this real fight and we will back him 100 percent.
Mr. NEUMANN. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Arizona (Mr.
Hayworth).
Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Wisconsin for
yielding. And I listened with interest to my colleague from California.
Because, Mr. Speaker, as I stand here in the well of the Congress of
the United States, I am truly in awe not only of
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the responsibility my constituents conferred upon me constitutionally
to represent them in this hall and in this Chamber, but also with the
quality of people who come from coast to coast and beyond; and here I
stand with one who distinguished himself first as an educator and then
fought this country's battles in southeast Asia where he quite
fittingly earned the title of top gun.
And I stand with another who distinguished himself first as a
teacher, as did my colleague from California, but my friend from
Wisconsin, who worked so hard as a teacher, and then went into home
building. And we really have the essence of the American dream embodied
in these two gentlemen.
But Mr. Speaker, I would simply concur with the statements that have
been made tonight as we try to dream a dream that can be reality for
our children. This is something achievable. And I especially, Mr.
Speaker, appreciate the comments of my friend from California (Mr.
Cunningham). Because what we need is not a war of words, what we need
is a solid commitment to our families and to our children.
Think if you would, Mr. Speaker, what we would say today if we sent
an army into battle and lost 10,000 young Americans. Now, Mr. Speaker,
think for a second. That is exactly what is happening. Indeed, Mr.
Speaker, that may be an understatement of the number of deaths we see
on an annual basis due to drug addiction.
And, Mr. Speaker, as I travel the width and breadth of the Sixth
Congressional District of Arizona, an area in square mileage almost the
size of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, I hear firsthand in the
smaller communities that challenges those small police forces and those
rural areas are facing as big city gangs and big city drugs are sent
from the cesspools of organized crime to the very heartland of America.
So what we have, Mr. Speaker, is indeed a call to arms; not the
traditional battle, nor the war on words so offered as Washington's
version of Madison Avenue; a war on poverty, a war on drugs.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Let me give my colleagues a good example of coming to
arms. I had a doctor come into my office about 3 years ago. And I was
fortunate enough to write much of the welfare reform bill, being on the
Committee on Education and the Workforce. He said, ``Duke, I had a lady
come in my office with a 13-year-old daughter. She wanted to know what
was wrong with her daughter that had just had her fourth menstrual
cycle that she couldn't have a child. She wanted the welfare money.''
Now, what happens to those children? There is one view that would
continue to spend trillions of dollars in the old welfare system. To
me, that was a waste. And we have to send our tax dollars there. But
what we did is stood up to the plate, made a commitment that we are
going to solve the welfare and slavery problem of the people trapped in
the inner cities.
Now, that child, what chance do they have of the American dream?
Zero. Is it because the parents raised them? No. They are busy having
other children. Is it the grandmother? Usually. If it is a male child,
that child is in a gang. And if it is a female today, that child is in
a gang. And where do they turn? Can they get a job? No. Do they have
an American dream? No. They go to drugs and crime, and then it is
perpetuated over and over again.
But we stood up to the plate. And in many States like the
gentleman's, over 50 percent of the welfare roles are coming off just
because we said, you should go to work. The average welfare recipient
was 16 years. That is a perfect example of stepping up to the plate and
making a commitment.
Mr. HAYWORTH. I think my colleague from Arizona, Mr. Speaker, makes
an excellent point. And I appreciate my colleague from Wisconsin for
yielding some time as we talk about this, how we work through problems
to solve them.
The other thing we should note, Mr. Speaker, is that there is an
achievable objective for success. And indeed, Mr. Speaker, what we have
been able to do within this Chamber, Republicans and Democrats alike
reaching across America, has said, when it comes to the dilemma of
dealing with a self-perpetuating welfare state as we help people go
from welfare to work, we now measure success not by the numbers of
people who are on the welfare roles, but by the numbers of people who
are out in gainful employment.
Just this last Friday, in Mesa, Arizona, I had a chance to go in and
work with a program. Initially, it was called Women Off Welfare, or
WOW. Now they call it World of Work because nontraditional
opportunities are opening up for women and men alike in our society.
And the four people that were supposed to be there as part of the
program, my colleagues, they could not be there to tell about what they
have done because they were busy at work earning money for their
families having a brighter future.
Mr. NEUMANN. Reclaiming my time, listening to you talk is why it is
so exciting. My colleague was here; he cosponsored this legislation,
and we said we were going to balance the budget sooner than 2002. We
said we were going to lower taxes so people could keep more of their
own money and make decisions about how to spend their money instead of
sending it to Washington. We said we were going to get Social Security
taken care of for our seniors and start paying down the debt.
Do my colleagues remember back in 1995, when we first came how they
reacted? But we dared to dream. I think that is what is so important
for this country and to these young people. Sometimes they have it
taken away from them because they hear all of these class warfare
arguments where somehow if you do not have a lot of money to start with
that you cannot get ahead in this country. And I just point to our own
example in my own family where we started with nothing and you can work
very hard, and if you do work hard, there is an opportunity to live the
American dream.
I point to this booklet. I point to our dream that we can balance the
budget before the turn of the century and lower taxes at the same time,
but getting Washington spending under control, or at least taking a
good stab at it. This stuff can happen and it is real, and it has
happened in the first 3 years here and there is lots more to come.
Mr. HAYWORTH. And what is remarkable, Mr. Speaker, is the fact that
this is recent history; this is within the last 3 years. I remember
sitting here on the front row when we talked about the budget plan
where we dared to dream, less than 100 Members of this body would join
with us.
Mr. NEUMANN. Eighty-nine, to be exact.
Mr. HAYWORTH. They derided it as extreme. Now look at what has
happened. We see that it makes extremely good sense to have Washington
spend less so that families can spend more, to make sure that the money
that belongs to the people in the first place stays in their paychecks;
and in so doing, actually letting Americans have more of their own
money to save, spend, and invest, create new jobs and new
opportunities.
Now, we are in a situation where the tables have turned. Oh, there is
still work to do, as my colleague has pointed out; our commitment to
our seniors in terms of the Social Security Preservation Act, which we
cosponsored, the challenges we still confront in terms of ending the
scourge on drugs. In a free society, it is an ongoing battle. But we
have made the first steps toward realizing those dreams for our
children.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman would continue to
yield, what the gentleman just said is what William Wallace, in the
year 1312, I do not know how many saw the movie ``Brave Heart,'' in his
death throes he screamed out ``freedom.'' We are giving those freedoms
back to the American families that have given up those freedoms so
Washington can rule and control their life.
Just in these few short minutes we talked about a balanced budget,
but yet a balanced budget in which we actually have education reform or
education receives more and families and parents, administrators,
teachers have more freedom to teach their children and the results are
better.
We can talk about DOD and reform, to have a stronger defense, but yet
to have it reduced and more like a business, and welfare reform and
saving Medicare. Remember the blast that we got from Medicare from the
unions and from the DNC? But at the same time, this is the same
Medicare plan that the
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President signed in the balanced budget, and everybody wins. We do have
areas to go.
When we have got a 50 percent fraud, waste, and abuse with food
stamps and those areas in which, again, taxpayers have to send their
money to the overhead of Washington bureaucracy to support, we can
actually get more of the money down to the families, down to military,
down to the welfare recipients and have good government, which, again,
does not have to be an oxymoron.
Mr. NEUMANN. Reclaiming my time, I would like to turn this into some
very specific examples. Because we have talked about returning this
freedom to the people and letting them keep more of their own money in
their own homes to decide how to spend it, I would like to talk about
some specifics for just a minute on this very topic.
For example, starting next year, every family with a child under the
age of 17 in the middle-income brackets will get down to the bottom
line of how much they would have sent to Washington in taxes and they
will subtract $400 off the bottom line because of the $400-per-child
tax cut.
In Wisconsin, sometimes I am out at these meetings and people look at
me like, ``Are you kidding? Is this a political promise,'' or ``What
are you talking about?'' This bill was signed into law next year. And
starting next year when they do their taxes, they literally will get
down to the bottom line how much they would have sent to Washington and
subtract $400 for each child under the age of 17.
If they have college students, I have got two in college myself, and
I will not qualify for this particular benefit, but a lot of families
that are in the middle-income brackets, they are going to qualify for
this. It is tough to pay college bills; it is expensive. So if they
have got a freshman or sophomore in college, again they go through
their taxes and figure out how much would they have sent to Washington,
but they subtract $1500 off the bottom line. This is very real money.
I just want to add a specific family that I know of. I want to turn
this into a very real situation. This family I am thinking of has one
child in college, as a matter of fact, goes to the same school my
daughter goes to. They have got two kids still at home in their family.
And they are middle-income folks.
I do not know exactly what they earn, someplace between 40 and
$60,000 a year, I suppose. But with their household, with one in
college, a sophomore by next year, and two kids at home under the age
of 17, they get $400 off for each one of the two kids, or $800 for the
two kids at home, and $1500 to help pay that college tuition. We are
talking about a $50,000 a year family here, reducing their taxes by
$2,300. That is a lot of money.
When we talk about this idea of returning power to the people and
freedom to the people, we are talking about letting then decide how
they are going to spend their hard-earned money, as opposed to sending
it out out here to Washington so people in this city, bureaucrats out
here, Members of Congress, can figure out how to spend their money for
them.
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I yield to the gentleman from South Dakota, a new Member, and we are
happy to have him with us.
Mr. THUNE. I would like to, as always, commend the gentleman from
Wisconsin for the bold leadership he has taken a number of these
issues. We talk about the subject of daring to dream and again the
enormous challenges that are out there in front of us as a country and
some of the things that have been accomplished in the past.
I want to again compliment the gentleman for the extraordinary work
he has done to draw attention to the need to be debt free as we move
into a new century and to do something that is very positive for our
children, for our grandchildren, in the legislation he has introduced
which would put us on a systematic plan to where we will eliminate the
$5.5 trillion debt that soaks up more and more of our tax dollars every
year just in interest payments.
It gets mentioned often, but I do not think often enough that before
we do anything else, the Committee on Appropriations in this Congress
writes that $250 billion interest check right off the top, before we do
anything that assists people who are in need of education. Before we do
anything in terms of the other programs the government funds, roads and
bridges, national defense, we take the first $250 billion and pay it
off in interest.
The plan that he has introduced would in 2026 completely eliminate
the $5.5 trillion debt and put us as a country on a path toward being
debt free. That is something that is absolutely historic in terms of
what we can do for the future of this country. I would like to see us
take that same sort of passion, that same sort of courage and
leadership that the gentlemen did in the 104th Congress, and the
gentleman from Arizona who is here and had a part in that process, in
reforming welfare and in dealing with some very tough and controversial
issues, issues that people said, ``That can't be done, we can't do
this, this thing is just too complicated and too big.''
Yet you demonstrated the courage to get that done. I think it is
proof of what we can accomplish when we want to work together.
If we could turn that same sort of intensity to the war on drugs, I
was just reading today in the Sioux Falls newspaper about the
methamphetamine crisis we are facing in our State. There is a quote
here from a young lady. It says the powerful drugs also stole every
good thing she had, including her three children and her freedom. She
quotes, ``I have never in my life felt so helpless and out of control.
There is no good outcome to meth use. You use everything. That includes
yourself.''
In fact, South Dakota has been designated as a high intensity drug
trafficking area because of the growing methamphetamine traffic in our
State. We need to apply the same type of leadership in this particular
area.
I hearken back to the 1980s when Nancy Reagan started her Just Say No
campaign and the demonstrable impact that had on drug use among young
people and the powerful and immediate impact that the message has. If
we are willing, as a country, and if we could get the White House and
this administration to take some leadership on this issue, we could
work with them, because this is an increasing problem, particularly in
rural areas.
Again, another statistic here, in 1991, 14 grams of methamphetamine
were seized, that has grown each year to this last year, 984 grams of
methamphetamine seized by law enforcement officials. It is a very
serious issue in parts of this country. It demands very serious
leadership and something that I think we all need to provide as public
officials.
Mr. NEUMANN. I would just add that when we dream about the future of
this country that is going to be a drug free nation for our children,
when we have that dream about the future of America, I do not think we
should temper it with not inhaling or some of the other things that we
have heard from some of our leadership. This Nation needs leaders that
are willing to stand up and say, it is not acceptable, drug use is not
acceptable in the United States of America; and we have today declared
war on the use of drugs in this country. We need leadership that is
willing to stand up and say these things.
There are many other values that we could talk about that would be
along the same lines as what we just talked about with drugs. People
need to stand up and say that a married couple, that either spouse in
the marriage should be committed to that marriage and that it is not
acceptable to go off with another person of the opposite sex; whether
it be the same age or a different age or whatever, those things are not
acceptable in the United States of America.
This Nation needs leaders that are willing to stand up and say, ``Mr.
President, if you in fact had a problem or had a situation with Monica
Lewinsky or Gennifer Flowers, that is not acceptable as an example for
our Nation and for our children in this country.''
Somebody needs to tell our kids that it is not the norm that our
President or any other leader in a community, or for that matter any
other member of a marriage, whether it be husband or wife, this is not
acceptable practice in the United States of America and we do not want
to tolerate it.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I think that also goes when we are talking about
drugs, not to come across to MTV and say
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they would inhale if they could, the leader of our Nation.
I have talked to drug agents and I have talked to people in
rehabilitation. The kids sneer. They say, ``Look, the President said he
would inhale if he could.'' That is the wrong message.
Let me give my colleagues another example. Remember the young man
that was caned in Singapore for spray-painting cars? I am not saying
that we cane people, but I would guarantee that that individual, that
young man, when he went back to Singapore would never spray-paint
another car nor would any other individual. But yet look at our streets
and the tagging and the graffiti and those kinds of things that take
place because we let it go on. That is just a symptom of the lack of
commitment, from drugs to graffiti, that juvenile crime has gone
exponentially up, a 600 percent increase and the viciousness of it has
increased, to be paramount.
Those are the kinds of things I think the gentlemen are talking
about.
We need a commitment, not just words and not the wrong direction. You
do not say, let us increase rehabilitation dollars and cut off why they
are getting on drugs in the first place. I want to stop it so I do not
have to put as many dollars in rehab, and save those children.
Mr. NEUMANN. When we think about the war on drugs or bringing
education back to number one in the world for our kids here in America,
can this goal, can this job of getting from where we are today to a
drug-free America and back to where our education is number one in the
world, can that really be tougher than what we have already been
through between 1995 and today, getting to a balanced budget, actually
lowering taxes, restoring Medicare for our senior citizens?
When we think about this, a lot of people would look at this and go,
``We can't do this.'' What I am suggesting tonight is that we dare to
dream, because you have got to have the dream before you can bring
about the results, and we commit ourselves to this dream in the same
way we committed ourselves to getting to a balanced budget, to starting
to pay down the debt, to lowering taxes for our families and to
restoring Medicare for our senior citizens.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I would say this gentleman's dream has guided a lot
of us on this House floor on how to balance the budget and how to
achieve that. He has been a leader across the board in how to have more
effective government and yet reduce the penalties on the American
people, and I would like to thank the gentleman.
Mr. NEUMANN. I think it has been a lot of us here together, getting
this job done. But I do think that it is the American people that
deserve the credit for sending a group of people here that were willing
to commit to these dreams.
Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Speaker, this is the essence of our constitutional
republic. The brilliance of our founders is found in the sense that
they had the foresight and the sense of commitment to set up this
unique institution where we can represent and where we can dare to
dream, but then take the steps firmly rooted in reality to make those
dreams come true.
Certainly we have talked about a far-flung and ambitious agenda of
where our dreams will take us, not only fiscal responsibility and a
better future for our children, not only fighting this war on drugs,
not only realizing the successes and seizing upon those for our seniors
as well as the youngest among us, but making this translation work.
Mr. Speaker, we have talked about the legislation offered by the
gentleman from Wisconsin and the innovative programs that the gentleman
from California has been involved in and the fresh new perspective the
gentleman from South Dakota brings. In a moment of personal indulgence,
might I also, Mr. Speaker, offer something that I have introduced, that
the Committee on Resources just held hearings on 2 weeks ago, that my
staff has taken to calling HELGA in one of those moods you get here
where you have an acronym, for Hayworth Education Land Grant Act.
It is born out of something that happened in my district, something
that you may find in your districts, the folks you represent. In rural
Arizona, there is a real shortage of private land. The little community
of Alpine, Arizona, nestled there on the New Mexico border, in my first
term in Congress came to see me. They said, ``We have scraped together
enough money to build a new school. We meet right now in an old church.
It's not exactly a one-room schoolhouse, but it's close. We have the
money to build a school, but we don't have the money to purchase a site
on which to build the school. This is a real dilemma.''
What makes it ironic is the fact that the town of Alpine sits on the
edge of a national forest, government-controlled land. They said,
``Congressman, could you help us get a conveyance of land?''
And so we did so. The good news is they are building a school because
they could save their money to build the school and concentrate on
students and teachers and the future instead of worrying about buying
land.
As Mark Twain pointed out, ``History doesn't repeat itself, but it
rhymes.'' And so learning from that experience and the experience of
Congressman Morrill, quite frankly, in the last century with the Land
Grant Act for Higher Education that transformed higher education in
this country, I came up with a plan that offers a standard, uniform way
for rural school districts to apply for conveyances of federally
controlled land, so again they can concentrate their resources on what
is most important, the children and their education, and not worry
about buying land and not have that economic impact hit them adversely
in trying to build a new school.
We held hearings, as I mentioned, 2 weeks ago, a subcommittee of the
Committee on Resources. I am very optimistic about this legislation,
labeled H.R. 2322. Mr. Speaker, I would ask my colleagues to be
involved, to take a look at this legislation, because it can do
important things across America in rural districts for those school
children and their future, because again as we all concur, Mr. Speaker,
education is too important to be left up to Washington bureaucrats. We
have got to maximize flexibility and innovation and what happens at
home on the front lines to make sure that different districts are armed
with different alternatives so that they can decide what is best.
I would commend the legislation to my colleagues and move in that
type of common-sense direction to focus on educating children, not
worrying about the shifting of dollars but focusing on what works.
A couple of quick admonitions I would offer. If you are worried about
Park Service land, no Park Service land can be taken for this, nor can
any Federal wildlife refuges be taken for this. But there is a uniform
way to convey land, and I believe that it can transform rural education
in this country for students K-through-12 not only in school districts,
but in charter schools that have sprung up in places like Arizona and
come to full flower and full fruition.
And those types of innovative ideas, based on the best of what our
heritage teaches us when applied to the challenges of today, those are
the ways that we translate our dreams into reality. That is why I am so
pleased, Mr. Speaker, to be here with men and women of conviction on
both sides of the aisle, who are willing to look to translate those
dreams into reality.
Mr. Speaker, I would invite my colleagues to take a good look at that
legislation and join us in taking that step toward helping rural
children.
Mr. NEUMANN. Just briefly, I would like to point out that the great
State of Wisconsin, as we find in many cases, is quite far out in front
on this particular issue. When you develop land of any sort in
Wisconsin, at least 5 percent of the land is dedicated to schools, to
community or to parks. We find in many cases that not 5 percent, it is
more like 10 or 15 percent of the land is set aside permanently for our
families that then build in these subdivisions and realize the American
dream in buying their own home. They then have this land preserved for
them, whether it be for schools or for parkland or whatever.
In Wisconsin, it is standard operating procedure that at least 5
percent of your land is set aside for schools, parks, community
recreation and community service. In Wisconsin, we are already doing
some of these things. I certainly think what he has there is a pretty
fair idea.
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I yield to the gentleman from South Dakota.
Mr. THUNE. The gentleman from Arizona makes a pretty compelling case,
I think, with respect to what his legislation would do. I think again
it points to at least one of the issues that we are discussing here
this evening, and have been for some time, and that is how do we go
about making sure that more education dollars get into the classroom
where they are benefiting our young people and preparing them for the
future.
In South Dakota, we have taken some steps in terms of wiring the
schools to bring technology, the high technology that is available to
us today, to see that our kids are equipped so that when the time comes
for them to transition into the workplace, they are ready for that.
I think again that happens when you look in a very systematic,
disciplined way at moving power and control out of the Federal
bureaucracy, making the Federal bureaucracy smaller, the family budget
bigger, the budget of schools and local and State governments; and I
think that is something that all of us in the Chamber this evening are
very interested in doing and seeing come to pass. I think it points
again to the broad need in this country to address the real problems
that real people are facing.
The gentleman from Arizona made some reference to common sense, which
is something that is very terribly lacking, it seems, here in
Washington.
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However, if we look at these things in a very commonsensical way, and
in dealing with the issue of drugs, if we could eliminate the scourge
of drugs in this country, the very best thing that we could do to
preserve the future for our kids, making our future debt-free, giving
them the resources that they need in the classroom to see that they
have the very highest possible quality education opportunities
available to them at the best value to the taxpayer, and working in a
way as well to address the retirement needs.
When we talked about welfare reform, and we did, we took some
important steps in this last Congress, of which my colleagues were a
part, and in the 105th since I have been here in terms of balancing the
budget, reforming Medicare and trying to secure a better future for all
people of all ages in our country.
And in the area of retirement where we have so much to do in the area
of professionals today looking down the road, looking at Social
Security and saying, ``By golly, I just do not think that that is going
to be there for me,'' and we need to give them some options. Now, for
the first time, in a very bipartisan way, we are hearing people talk
about what we might do to provide a better future and to ensure that
the retirement needs in this country are met when the time comes.
Finally, I would simply say, and my colleagues have touched on it
this evening, lowering the overall cost of government on the taxpayers
in this country, the goal of trying to get to 25 percent so that the
Federal Government, the State and local governments are not taking more
than 25 cents out of every dollar of the family in this country so that
we can make the family budget bigger, strengthen families and not
government institutions, I think that is the direction we are going.
Mr. NEUMANN. Mr. Speaker, or less than 25 cents. I like the idea of
going for a lower number.
Mr. THUNE. Mr. Speaker, the problem is, as my colleagues know, is
that they were going to put a cap on it, but they were worried about
ever getting that high. So yes, probably 25 percent or less, actually,
before it is all said and done.
But that would move in a very dramatic way toward making again the
Federal Government smaller, making the family budget bigger, and
strengthening our families in this country so that they can address the
needs that they have, whether it be retirement or health care or
education or child care.
As I travel the State of South Dakota and I talk with real people,
these are real needs, real problems that require real leadership and
not a lot of the same old Washington-based solutions that have
dominated the agenda in this city for such a long time.
So again, I am delighted to be a part of the agenda that we are on,
talking about these issues and talking about real solutions. Again,
leading by example. One of the things that the gentleman from Wisconsin
mentioned earlier is that sometimes we need to be using the bully
pulpit. The fact of the matter is, as C.S. Lewis once said, that we
laugh at honor and are shocked to find traders in our midst.
When we talk about the use of drugs in a very cavalier way, when we
talk about the things, the values that we hold near and dear, the
importance of keeping the family together, family relationships and the
various activities that have been on the front page of the newspaper
for the past several months, it is important for people who are in
positions I think of public leadership to not only provide leadership
in economic areas, but also in the moral area. That is something that I
would hope that we will continue to emphasize and talk about in the
discussion as well, that values be a part of our debate in this
country.
Mr. NEUMANN. Mr. Speaker, just one comment on that. I know the
gentleman is alluding to a situation that many people here in
Washington have taken a hands-off policy and are just plain not talking
about it, but at the risk of making a suggestion to the President of
the United States, I would like to take this opportunity to suggest to
the President of the United States that he come out with a very public
statement that says, ``No, I did not do that. If I had done that, I
would immediately resign.'' That would be a very different message than
the message our young people in this country are hearing today.
The message, ``No, I did not do it, but if I had done that, I would
resign immediately from this office,'' would send a message to our kids
that he does not accept what he is being accused of as acceptable
behavior or practice in this country, and it would be very different,
what our kids are hearing, than what they are hearing today. I would
encourage him to come out with that as soon as possible so that our
kids hear a different message.
I yield to the gentleman from California.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman. I would like to
compliment the gentleman from South Dakota. I know he has taken a
leadership role in education. Again, a dream that the gentleman is
talking about, a vision, it takes commitment. Mr. Speaker, those folks
that started off to the West on covered wagons, they could dream about
it, they could have a vision, but unless they were really committed,
they would never make it.
We look at Martin Luther King. He had a dream, he had a vision, but
yet it would not have become a reality unless he was willing to commit,
and he did that.
But just like in education, if we get so little money out of the
Federal Government down to the classroom, and I would say, Mr. Speaker,
a State bureaucracy is just as bad as a Federal bureaucracy if it keeps
the dollars away from the classroom. But if we get so little money, and
I do not know, Mr. Speaker, if my colleagues have ever tried to pass a
school bond in their districts, but I know in California it takes two-
thirds, it is very difficult.
So if we have very little money from the Federal Government, if we
cannot pass a school bond, how are we going to bring those classrooms
up when we are last of the industrialized nations, 15th in math and
science? And that was duplicated in a major study just this last month,
where over half of the 4th graders could not identify the Atlantic or
Pacific Ocean, and we got over half of our students coming out
functionally illiterate.
One of the commitments, and the President signed this bill in the
balanced budget, and what we looked at is taking the 21st century
education bill to where we take companies who are dumping computers on
schools but the school did not have the technology or the teachers to
upgrade them, and they ended up in a corner. So what we did is we said,
okay, if you have a computer that is under 2 years old, you can write
off that computer and we are going to give you a tax benefit for
donating that computer.
Now, we have a company, a nonprofit corporation in California and it
is in 21 States, called Detwiler Foundation.
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They take that computer and they use prison labor to upgrade that
computer. If they do not serve so many hours in working on education or
work, they do not get their privileges. So it brings a triple force
right there. They then turn that computer down to the school, ready to
plug in.
So that is what it takes as a Federal, a private, and a State
partnership. But again, the focus should be on the teachers, the
parents, the families and the community to make those decisions. But
that is what we talk about as far as commitment, and making it happen
and coming up with those kinds of solutions, which means less
government.
Mr. NEUMANN. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, we are very near the
end of the hour here and I would just kind of like to wrap this up. We
talked about daring to dream. We talked about my personal life where we
reached a point that we could not pay our bills, where we started a
business and turned it into something.
We talked about starting the home building business and suffering
through years where we lost money, and turning that company around and
getting to the point where we were building 120 homes a year and
providing 250 job opportunities. And daring to dream that in the United
States of America, even if you have no political background, that in
this great Nation that we live in, where if you want to run for office
you can run for office, and we ran twice and lost, but we had a dream
that it could still happen.
We got elected and came in here with a very specific dream. We came
in here in 1995 and we dared to dream that we could balance our budget
before the turn of the century and quit spending our kids' money. We
dared to dream that we could make payments on the Federal debt and
start paying this thing down, so instead of our kids getting a legacy
of huge debts and interest payments, that we could actually start
paying down the debt and maybe give our country to our children debt-
free. We dared to dream that we could start putting the money away for
Social Security so our senior citizens could once again rest assured
that their Social Security was safe, and we dared to dream that we
could reduce the tax burden on American workers.
Those things have all come about in less than 3 years. They have come
about far faster than anyone even dared to dream that they could
possibly happen.
Now we are here. It is time to look ahead and to look where we are
going to. I would like to challenge my colleagues to dare to dream for
the future of this country.
For our kids, let us give them a debt-free, drug-free America where
education is once again number one in the entire world. For our
workers, let us reduce the tax burden at all levels of government by at
least a third, so that they are once again empowered to make decisions
about how they will spend their own hard-earned money. For our senior
citizens, let us start putting the Social Security Trust Fund money
aside in real dollars so that the Social Security Trust Fund is
restored and safe for our senior citizens, and let us make sure that
our Medicare system is solid and solvent so that our senior citizens
are assured that their health care will be taken care of.
For all Americans, let us make sure that we provide a strong defense
for this Nation and a clean environment as we look forward to the
future. Let us dare to dream that we can restore this great Nation and
once again have the greatest Nation in the world. Let us not be afraid
to dare to dream.
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