[Congressional Record Volume 144, Number 9 (Tuesday, February 10, 1998)]
[Senate]
[Pages S549-S561]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
NOMINATION OF FREDERICA A. MASSIAH-JACKSON, OF PENNSYLVANIA, TO BE
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report the nomination.
The legislative clerk read the nomination of Frederica A. Massiah-
Jackson, of Pennsylvania, to be United States District Judge for the
Eastern District of Pennsylvania.
Mr. HATCH. Mr. President, I rise today to express my strong concerns
with respect to President Clinton's nominee to be a U.S. district court
judge for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania--Judge Frederica
Massiah-Jackson. I voted for this nominee in committee, but on the
basis of information that has been presented to the committee since
Judge Massiah-Jackson's hearing, I now have serious reservations about
her nomination.
Judge Massiah-Jackson, who currently serves as a State court trial
judge in Philadelphia, was nominated by President Clinton on July 31,
1997, to serve in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. The Judiciary
Committee received her completed paperwork on August 15 and began
processing her nomination around mid-September. The committee began, in
bipartisan fashion, to review what available information there was on
her background, her qualifications, and her experience.
The committee's assessment of that information was directed from the
outset to serious allegations that were leveled against Judge Massiah-
Jackson. In particular, the committee's bipartisan investigative team
followed up on allegations that Judge Massiah-Jackson was biased
against law enforcement, that she was unduly lenient in sentencing
career criminal offenders, and that she lacks proper judicial
temperament, as shown with her use of profanity while sitting on the
bench.
Despite attempts to investigate seriously these allegations, no one
was willing to come forward publicly during the initial investigation
with specific and credible evidence or information showing a general
bias against law enforcement. In fact, Judge Massiah-Jackson, when
confronted with this allegation, had denied having such a bias.
I was particularly troubled by a newspaper account reporting that
Judge Massiah-Jackson had identified two undercover officers in open
court and warned the spectators to watch out for them. No one, however,
came forward to substantiate those charges.
But the committee's investigation did unearth some very troubling
information. Judge Massiah-Jackson herself admitted to using profanity
at least once while sitting as a judge--she admitted to cursing at a
prosecutor in open court; it was not pleasant, and the profanity was
not incidental profanity--but she expressed contrition about that
event. Indeed, she promised the committee that, if confirmed, she would
act appropriately as a Federal district judge.
Now, I take charges of intemperance from the bench seriously. Judges,
by their very position, must remain above the fray. They must, by their
demeanor and comportment, preside with dignity over their courtrooms
and set an example for the attorneys and witnesses to follow.
Nevertheless, as a former litigator, I know that in the rough and
tumble world of courtroom advocacy that sometimes things can get a bit
out of hand. That at least places such untoward remarks in some kind of
context. Judge Massiah-Jackson assured the committee that she would
conduct herself in an appropriate manner in the future, and that such
mistakes as had occurred were early in her tenure on the bench and that
she would never allow that to happen again.
The committee's investigation also confirmed that Judge Massiah-
Jackson's sentences, while not grossly out of line with those imposed
by other State judges, were indeed very lenient on average.
By the time the committee held a hearing on Judge Massiah-Jackson, it
was clear to me that she had exercised questionable judgment in a
number of cases, that she was softer on crime than I would wish a
Federal judge to be, and that there were some serious questions about
her ability to preside over a courtroom with the level of decorum that
our citizens have the right to expect.
It was clear to me, in a word, that Judge Massiah-Jackson would never
be my nominee to the Federal bench. But the Constitution does not vest
judicial appointment authority in the Senate. She is President
Clinton's nominee. I have never viewed my advise-and-consent
responsibilities as an opportunity to second-guess whoever is the
President--so long as he sends us nominees who are well qualified to
serve and whose views, while perhaps not my own, reflect a commitment
to uphold the Constitution and abide by the rule of law.
For that reason, I anticipated that the nominee's responses during
her hearing would be extremely important to my own vote. To my mind,
those responses would determine whether there was reason to expect that
Judge Massiah-Jackson could yet be a credit to the Federal bench.
During her hearing, Judge Massiah-Jackson was questioned extensively
about her sentencing record in various cases, she was asked about
charges she was antiprosecution, and she was asked to explain the
incident in which she had cursed at prosecutors.
After the hearing, members of the committee posed further questions
in writing, to which she responded.
In a nutshell, Judge Massiah-Jackson again apologized for her use of
profanity in the courtroom and she made every effort to persuade us she
has the highest respect for law enforcement and for the difficult job
that police officers have to do in our country.
Of particular significance to me, Judge Massiah-Jackson expressly
disputed the published press report that indicated she had used her job
as a State judge to expose the identities of undercover police
officers--in open court, I might add--and to warn the spectators
against them. In response to a written question from Senator Thurmond,
she flatly denied that such an event had occurred.
On the faith of those assurances and the assurances of those who knew
her and know her, and while reviewing the issue very closely, I voted
with a majority of my colleagues to report her nomination favorably out
of the committee.
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I am disappointed to say that with the benefit of hindsight,
information has emerged since the Judiciary Committee held its hearings
on this particular nominee of President Clinton that strongly suggests
to me that she was somewhat less than candid with the committee.
In addition, since the committee's vote, the committee has been
virtually deluged with letters from prosecutors and law enforcement
agencies in Pennsylvania that document a disturbing pattern of open
hostility toward the law enforcement communities. These condemnations
have been bipartisan and, in some respects, overwhelming. The
Pennsylvania District Attorney's Association, as well as the
Philadelphia District Attorney, have come out in opposition to Massiah-
Jackson, as have the Pennsylvania Attorney General, the Fraternal Order
of Police and the National Association of Police Officers. That is
pretty extraordinary. I don't know of any other case where that really
has happened, although there may be one or more, even in my experience,
but I don't remember any. Moreover, the committee has now received more
details about particular rulings by Judge Massiah-Jackson that evidence
an inability to deal with law enforcement issues fairly.
First, let me address Judge Massiah-Jackson's possible lack of candor
with the Judiciary Committee. During the committee's bipartisan
investigation, Judge Massiah-Jackson was questioned about an article
that appeared in the local Philadelphia newspaper in 1988 which stated
that she had told spectators in the courtroom to take a good look at
the undercover officers who are witnesses in the case and to watch
themselves. She was asked whether the circumstances described in the
article were true. Judge Massiah-Jackson told committee staff she does
not recall the incident, but that she did not understand the concern
about ``outing'' the officers if they had already testified.
Thereafter, the committee faxed a copy of the article to Judge Massiah-
Jackson and asked her to write a letter and comment about the
allegations mentioned within the article. Later, the committee received
a letter from the nominee that failed to make mention of the incident
with the undercover police officers.
Later, at her hearing before the committee, Judge Massiah-Jackson was
questioned again about her alleged comments about the undercover police
officers. Unfortunately, Judge Massiah-Jackson failed to answer the
questions directly and instead she indicated that she respected the
role of law enforcement officers.
Dissatisfied by her answers both to the written questions and to the
questions at the hearing, Senator Thurmond sent the nominee a follow-up
question directly asking her to explain her statement to courtroom
spectators to ``take a good look at the undercover officers and watch
yourselves.'' In her written response, the nominee categorically denied
ever having made the statement. Her written answer back to the
committee was as follows: ``I have read the 1988 article and it is
inaccurate. I would not and did not make any such statement to the
spectators. I have great respect for law enforcement officers who have
very difficult jobs and work in dangerous situations.''
In the wake of recent developments, however, committee staff, in a
bipartisan investigation, was able to interview the two police officers
who were mentioned in the news article. Those officers provided written
statements to the committee that refute Judge Massiah-Jackson's
representations and corroborate the newspaper story. Both Sergeant
Rodriguez and his partner, Detective Terrace Jones, an African
American, felt that the judge's statement jeopardized their lives if
any of the people in the courtroom were friends, family or associates
of persons with whom they might negotiate drug buys in the course of
their undercover work.
Although I was more than willing to credit Judge Massiah-Jackson's
denial of the newspaper account, in the face of statements by the two
officers and the newspaper story, her denial now appears to be somewhat
less credible.
I would also point out that Judge Massiah-Jackson unequivocally
informed the committee during her hearing and during questioning by
Senator Specter she had never been reversed on a sentencing issue. This
fact was important because of concerns that Judge Massiah-Jackson was
particularly bent on leniency in sentencing. In fact, nominees are
routinely asked, if they are presently judges, to provide the committee
all of the cases on which they were reversed.
In response to the committee's request, Judge Massiah-Jackson
identified 14 cases in which she had been reversed. None involved a
sentencing issue. When asked a second time in writing whether there
were any other cases in which she was reversed, Judge Massiah-Jackson
reported one additional case. Once again, this case did not involve a
sentencing issue.
Since her hearing, however, the committee itself discovered that
Judge Massiah-Jackson's statement that she has never been reversed on a
sentencing issue is inaccurate. In fact, to date, the committee has
found she has been reversed in at least two sentencing cases:
Commonwealth v. Easterling and Commonwealth v. Williams. In both cases,
Judge Massiah-Jackson imposed a sentence found to be too lenient by the
appellate court.
In Easterling, the defendant pled guilty to burglary and criminal
conspiracy. Despite a serious prior criminal history, including nine
prior adult property convictions and two adult armed robbery
convictions, Judge Massiah-Jackson sentenced the defendant to
concurrent terms of 11\1/2\ to 23 months imprisonment. Her sentence was
3 years below the standard guidelines and 1 year below even the
mitigated guidelines. The Supreme Court found that the downward
departure was unreasonable and vacated the sentence.
In Williams, the defendant pled guilty to robbery and possession of
an instrument of a crime. The defendant, in attempting to take the
victim's purse, viciously slashed the victim with a razor. Despite
having a prior criminal history, Judge Massiah-Jackson again sentenced
the defendant to only 11\1/2\ to 23 months' imprisonment and then
immediately paroled him. The superior court again held that this
sentence was unreasonable--it was substantially below the minimum
sentencing guidelines which required a minimum of 4 to 7 years'
imprisonment for robbery with a deadly weapon. In addition to finding
that Judge Massiah-Jackson had improperly lowered the defendant's
offense gravity score, the superior court also found her refusal to
apply a deadly weapon enhancement to the razor was clearly erroneous.
The court vacated Judge Massiah-Jackson's unreasonable low sentence.
In addition to these reversals for illegal sentences, I would like to
provide an example of why I am so concerned about Judge Massiah-
Jackson's ability to weigh the facts fairly. Recently, the committee
has received numerous cases that were not previously provided by the
committee. One of these cases, Commonwealth v. Smith, appears to be a
particularly egregious case, and I want to tell you about it so you may
assess for yourself why this nominee is perceived as being unalterably
hostile to crime fighting.
In the early evening of September 28, 1990, a 13-year-old boy was
dragged into the bushes on the grounds of a Philadelphia hospital. The
assailant raped and sodomized the boy, threatening to kill him. Despite
the fact that his face was slashed with a box cutter, the boy managed
to escape from his assailant's clutches. Naked and bleeding, he told
two female hospital employees who were passing by what had just
happened and that his attacker, a man, was still in the bushes. Shortly
thereafter, hospital guards arrived and took the boy to the emergency
room for treatment.
The two women then saw a man crawling out of the bushes where the boy
had told them the attack had occurred. They made eye contact with the
man from only 2 feet away. The man jumped to his feet and turned to
walk away from the crowd of security guards and bystanders.
One of the women informed the guards of the man's appearance.
Remember, the two women, according to the court of appeals' decision,
never lost sight of the man until after he was apprehended by police
just 2 minutes after they spotted him crawling out of the bushes where
the young boy said he was.
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A Philadelphia police officer arrived on the scene within seconds of
receiving a police radio call of a ``rape in progress.'' The officer
stopped the man and told him he was investigating a radio call of a
rape. The man said that he had not raped anyone. When the security
guards and witnesses told the officer that the man had just raped a
young boy, the officer handcuffed him and put him in the back of his
patrol car.
Moments later, another officer conducted a safety search of the man
before placing him in a patrol wagon. He found a box-cutter knife like
the one used to cut the boy's face and a rag still wet with blood. The
defendant later confessed. Despite the overwhelming evidence in the
case, Judge Massiah-Jackson held that the police officer had no
probable cause to arrest the man. She suppressed the defendant's
statement, the box-cutting knife, the bloody rag and the out-of-court
identifications as the fruits of an illegal arrest. I am thankful to
say her ruling was appealed and reversed, but I am somewhat surprised
President Clinton would still nominate this judge if he was aware of
this decision.
It has been noted that by some that, after the case was reversed, the
case was assigned to a new judge and the defendant was, I am told,
acquitted. This is why it would be advisable to consider holding a
hearing at which the nominee can explain her decision in this case.
Frankly, notwithstanding the eventual verdict, I fail to see how one
could conclude that probable cause to arrest the defendant did not
exist.
In recent weeks, the Judiciary Committee has received letters from
virtually every law enforcement office in the State of Pennsylvania and
several national organizations voicing their opposition to President
Clinton's nominee. To date, we have received letters from the Attorney
General of Pennsylvania, the Philadelphia National Fraternal Order of
Police, the National Association of Police Organizations, the
Pennsylvania District Attorneys Association, and letters by numerous
district attorneys around the State, including one from Lynn Abraham,
district attorney for Philadelphia, who I understand is a Democrat
herself. All of these letters express opposition to this nominee's
appointment because of her record of hostility to prosecutors, law
enforcement and victims of crime.
Now, although it certainly would have been beneficial to the
committee if we had this information before Judge Massiah-Jackson's
hearing, we certainly cannot turn a blind eye to the facts. We ought to
just make it clear that this committee, in a bipartisan way, takes
these judgeship nominations very seriously. We continue to investigate
right up to the time of confirmation. We are not going to fail to look
at matters when we think there may be some legitimacy to them, as may
be the case here.
Make no mistake, I take my floor vote on Judge Massiah-Jackson very
seriously. When her candidacy was in the committee, I resolved my
serious misgivings about her nomination in her favor, as I often do, if
we don't have people who are willing to appear before the committee,
willing to give statements that are substantiated rather than
unsubstantiated and if the FBI matters also are unsubstantiated,
regardless of the accusations. We see in the FBI reports all kinds of
accusations from everybody, from responsible citizens to crazies, and
we have to look at those things in a bipartisan, decent, honorable way,
sift through them, and do the best we can to arrive at the facts and to
be fair to the nominees.
While her candidacy was in the committee, like I say, I resolved
these serious misgivings I had in her favor because we do not--most of
the accusations, all of the accusations, by and large, were
unsubstantiated. People were unwilling to come forward and to speak on
the record. I am not about to oppose a nominee and cast a shadow over
his or her career when all the Committee has to act on are anonymous
sources. But now we have people who have been willing to come forward.
I wish they had done so before. It would have helped the Committee
straighten out this matter.
My decision on the committee was based in large measure on the
representations made by the nominee herself, both in answer to the
written questions and at her hearing. To the extent that these recent
developments called the nominee's statements before the committee under
question--and they do--I am obliged to reconsider my vote. After
reviewing and considering the information that has recently been
provided to the committee by law enforcement officers about her conduct
on the bench, her alleged bias against law enforcement, her flawed
judicial rulings, and above all, her apparent lack of candor with the
committee, I can't in good conscience, based on what is available to me
now, continue to give her the benefit of the doubt.
I have the highest personal regard for Senator Specter, who has ably
promoted her candidacy, I believe, with the same understandings that I
have had up until now, but I have serious questions whether Judge
Massiah-Jackson is fit for the Federal bench. Senators Specter and
Santorum have suggested that she be given an opportunity to publicly
respond to these recent developments. As chairman of the committee, I
hope that the Senate can accommodate their request. I am not sure that
we will at this point. But I hope that we will. I hope we can give her
a hearing. If we decide to have a hearing, I can hold a hearing. And I
think I would have the cooperation on the part of the minority in doing
so.
Having said that, I also believe that some of my colleagues, who will
speak in opposition to the nominee, have a legitimate argument in
urging the Senate to vote on this.
In his State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged the
Senate to ``vote on the highly qualified nominees before you, up or
down.'' Since President Clinton's challenge, the Senate has voted to
confirm five judicial nominees. One judicial nominee has chosen to
withdraw. And Judge Massiah-Jackson's nomination is in serious question
due to concerns from the law enforcement community. Today, some of my
colleagues are eager to comply with President Clinton's request. And I
hope that this year we will be a bit more expeditious in bringing
judges up for votes on the floor. If Senators have objections to them,
let them raise them here. This is an appropriate place to do it. Above
all, it is appropriate to raise them during the hearings that we hold
in the Judiciary Committee. But they can also be raised here, and we
face those objections if we are for or against these nominees as they
come up for a vote.
Mr. President, if I could just have one more sentence, I don't know
whether we will have another hearing or not. But I am certainly going
to keep my options open on the subject and work with my colleagues from
Pennsylvania. I can't believe that all of these people who have
suddenly come forth as law enforcement people are not telling the
truth. Yet, I do have some information that Judge Massiah-Jackson may
have massaged some of the facts herself. And I am very concerned about
this. Frankly, I am going to look for guidance here on the floor from a
wide variety of people. And let's just hope that we can do what is
appropriate here under the circumstances.
I yield the floor at this time.
Mr. LEAHY. Mr. President, if the distinguished Senator from Utah will
stay on the floor for a moment on this, I know there are a number of
Senators, especially the two distinguished Senators from Pennsylvania,
and others who wish to speak. I advise Senators that I am only going to
hold the floor for a moment.
I would like to underscore something that the distinguished Senator
from Utah said, which is that if this matter does not come to a vote in
the next couple of days and stays on the calendar during that time, the
distinguished chairman of the Judiciary Committee has the authority to
hold further hearings, if he wishes to, even though the matter is here
pending on the calendar. It is something that can be done without the
direction one way or the other from the Senate as a body.
I would also note that the distinguished chairman and I have a long
practice of discussing first privately issues of this nature that may
come up so that we can then report back to the individual Members on
our side of the aisle where we are going. I know that the distinguished
Senator from Utah would do that. I mention this only to say that I do
not want in any way to limit anyone's right to speak, but I will
reserve any comments that I might make until after the time I have
discussed this matter privately with
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the Senator from Utah. I will certainly listen to the things that are
said by other Senators on the floor. I want to note an agreement with
what the Senator from Utah has said, which is, of course, that the
committee has the right to hold further hearings while this matter is
pending before the Senate. It is not often done. But certainly it could
be.
Mr. President, I am about to suggest the absence of a quorum, and I
will assure Senators that I will have no objection to having it called
off in about 1 minute. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
The bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. LEAHY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for
the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. LEAHY. Mr. President, I see other Senators, including the
distinguished senior Senator from Pennsylvania, on the floor. I yield
the floor.
Mr. SPECTER addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Pennsylvania is recognized.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, I think that there may well be an
agreement on the basic course in this matter; that is, to have another
hearing in the Judiciary Committee after we have reviewed all of the
cases presented by the district attorneys, and after we have given
Judge Massiah-Jackson an opportunity to reply. Before commenting about
the background and history of the case and the actions which have been
taken up until now, I would ask for the attention of our distinguished
chairman, Senator Hatch.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senate will please come to order.
Mr. SPECTER. Senator Hatch has cited the case of Commonwealth v.
Smith, and noted Judge Massiah-Jackson's judgments in the matter. And I
just wanted to inquire of my distinguished colleague, if I could have
Senator Hatch's attention, does my distinguished colleague know that
when the case came up on retrial before a different judge that the
defendant Smith was found not guilty?
Mr. HATCH. I understand this to be the case. As I noted, the record
as of today is unclear on a number of these issues. The Department of
Justice is still reviewing some of these cases. But the fact that the
defendant was eventually acquitted does not excuse the fact that she
was reversed on appeal, that we only learned of this case last week,
and that there certainly appeared to be probable cause to arrest him.
Mr. SPECTER. The Senator from Utah has commented about two cases
where there were sentences below the guidelines. I ask my colleague
from Utah if he knew in the case of Commonwealth v. Earnest Smith,
January term, 1986, 0144-0146 that Judge Massiah-Jackson was reversed
for handing out a sentence which was too tough or long under the
sentencing guidelines? I would be interested to know if the Senator
knew as opposed to the staff knowing, if it please.
Mr. HATCH. I am aware that she may have handed down some tough
sentences as well.
Mr. SPECTER. I raise those two points on specific matters cited by
the distinguished chairman because there is a great deal which has to
be analyzed. I am in total agreement with Senator Hatch when he says
that there has to be review in a bipartisan manner to take a close look
at Judge Massiah-Jackson's qualifications. I consider myself as a juror
on the matter to look at the facts and make an impartial, unbiased
determination. That is the conclusion which I came to in conjunction
with my distinguished colleague from Pennsylvania, Senator Santorum,
when we had the district attorneys in my office on January 23rd at the
invitation of Senator Santorum and myself to hear the specifics of
their complaints. They said at that time that they had some 50 cases to
present on Judge Massiah-Jackson's record, and we responded that we
wanted to hear them to see what they were. We hoped that they could be
filed within a week, although whatever information they give us at any
time, including today, is going to be considered.
This is a very important matter when you have a lifetime Federal
court appointment. In fact, 49 cases were submitted on Monday, February
2nd, a week ago yesterday. Those cases are currently under review. I am
told that some 15 people are reviewing the cases in the Department of
Justice and at the White House to make an analysis of those cases.
Judge Massiah-Jackson is now in the process of reviewing those matters
to present her views as to why she did what she did in those cases.
Once that is concluded, I think that we would have to make an analysis.
And the probabilities are high that another hearing will be required,
although even that cannot be determined until we take a look at the
cases to see what those cases say.
When Senator Hatch outlined the history of this matter, he pointed
out that the President submitted the nomination of Judge Massiah-
Jackson to the Senate on July 31st of 1997, and that the papers were
sent over on August 15th of 1997.
I think it is worth noting, Mr. President, that an arrangement which
has been worked out between Senator Santorum and myself as the Senators
from Pennsylvania and the White House has been that for every three
nominees submitted by the President's party, Senator Santorum and I
would be able to make recommendations as to one judge from the
Republican Party. Pennsylvania is the only State which has that
arrangement, with the exception of New York which has had that
arrangement going back to the 1970's when Senator Javits was the
Senator from New York. Our recommendation was for the Eastern District
and for former Pennsylvania State Supreme Court Justice Bruce Kauffman
and that was our suggestion. There was no connection with any other
nominee. But that arrangement has been carried out, and we expect it to
be carried out in the Western District and the Middle District as well.
As Senator Hatch pointed out, when we sought to have information
about Judge Massiah-Jackson, none was forthcoming, and there was a
reluctance on the part of the Judiciary Committee until further
investigation was done.
So Senator Santorum and I convened a hearing which was attended by
Senator Biden, former chairman of the Judiciary Committee, in
Philadelphia in early October. We asked all parties to come forward at
that time, if they had any information adverse to Judge Massiah-
Jackson. Among the witnesses who testified that day, one was a
representative of the mayor. And Mayor Rendell has been very forceful
in his support of Judge Massiah-Jackson. Mayor Rendell told me that
Judge Massiah-Jackson had only one appeal taken and had been sustained
on that. Senator Hatch pointed out that apparently is not the case with
two other cases having been reviewed here. Mayor Rendell had been
District Attorney in Philadelphia, and had subsequently been the Mayor
of Philadelphia, been the interim District Attorney until 1985, and
then elected Mayor in 1991. So he had some substantial familiarity with
Judge Massiah-Jackson's record and was very forceful in his support of
Judge Massiah-Jackson.
In any event, after the hearing in Philadelphia in early October, the
Judiciary Committee hearing was scheduled in late October. And at that
time there was a review of Judge Massiah-Jackson's record at that time.
Senator Kyl presided. Senator Sessions was present, and I was present.
Others were present when we went into her record. Subsequent to that
hearing, information has come forward from the Pennsylvania District
Attorneys Association challenging Judge Massiah-Jackson on a variety of
grounds.
When I heard about that, I asked them to come in. January 19 was an
inconvenient date, but we did meet on January 23 and then the sequence
followed with their having presented their cases which we have in hand
as of a week ago yesterday, February 2.
It seems to me that what we need to do is to take a look at those
cases. There have been citations against Judge Massiah-Jackson in some
cases--and I am not going to go into them at this time--where Judge
Massiah-Jackson's judgments were later upheld by the appellate court.
The information which has been provided to me is that in 95 cases which
were taken on appeal from Judge Massiah-Jackson, she was reversed in 14
cases. Some of those cases were civil as well as criminal.
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And I think it important to note that Judge Massiah-Jackson has not
sat in criminal cases since 1991.
I think there is agreement by all people who have taken a look at
this nomination that a lifetime appointment is a matter of great
concern, and I might add that there is a special concern among the
district attorneys which has been expressed to me as the result of the
decision by Judge Dalzell of the same court, the United States District
Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, in a case of
Commonwealth v. Lambert in Lancaster County, a very serious homicide
matter where Judge Dalzell suppressed evidence and said there could not
be a retrial. Judge Dalzell has since been reversed by the Court of
Appeals for the Third Circuit because the defendant did not exhaust
State remedies, and Congressman Pitts and Congressman Gekas and I have
filed legislation which would deny jurisdiction to a Federal judge to
order no retrial. Federal judges have the authority to suppress
evidence, but I do not think they have the authority to deny retrial.
That is a matter for the District Attorney of Lancaster County,
something I have some familiarity with, having been DA for 8 years and
Assistant District Attorney for 4 years before that. But I think a
retrial is a matter for the local District Attorney and the local
court. But there is quite a concern among the District Attorneys of
Pennsylvania about that action by a Federal judge and a concern as to
this nomination, and as citizens, as District Attorneys, they obviously
have every right to provide information to the Judiciary Committee on
this nominee. I think we have to consider what they have to say. I
think we have to consider Judge Massiah-Jackson's responses and then
make a determination of the judgment as to whether she should be
confirmed or not.
I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Pennsylvania is recognized.
Mr. SANTORUM. Mr. President, I rise to support what seems to be a
growing notion on the floor that we not vote on this nominee today,
that we take an opportunity for the sake of fairness to give Judge
Massiah-Jackson the opportunity to respond to the new information
provided by the district attorneys association.
I had to leave the floor for the past few minutes, and I missed most
of the remarks of my colleague from Pennsylvania. There were some folks
from Core State who wanted to talk about the Core State-First Union
merger which is a very important issue in my state. I have been
informed that Senator Specter went through some of the history of how
this nomination came to this point, and I think it serves us well to
understand that this information has come out late, that the
opportunity was made available to anyone to not only testify in
Philadelphia--Senator Specter and myself and Senator Biden held a
hearing in Philadelphia to seek information, as well as the Judiciary
Committee held its hearing. Information could have been provided.
I must admit that for a period of several months prior to the nominee
coming up before the committee I was provided a whole bunch of
information slid under the door, thrown over the transom, but not
information that was in fact stood behind by anybody willing to come
forward and say this is what the record indicates and go on the record.
It led me to have some very serious concerns about the nominee, but, as
Senator Hatch said, I am not going to make a decision on a judge based
on information that someone is not willing to stand up in the public
light and testify to. Senator Specter and I have a joint committee that
reviews nominees to be district court judges in Pennsylvania. We both
have an equal number of representations--a bipartisan committee. They
review the qualifications of a judge, basically resume and other kinds
of information. In fact, we ask several questions of the judge, but the
judge provides us with the information, and we make a decision based on
that information we receive. Judge Massiah-Jackson was approved by that
commission. As a result, my policy is to support anybody who gets
approved by the commission and then subsequently nominated by the
President, to support that nominee's right to come out of committee and
come to the floor of the Senate. I have on occasion not too long ago
actually held judges and objected to judges being considered by the
committee and coming to the floor of the Senate from the State of
Pennsylvania because the commission that Senator Specter and I have did
not find that individual to be qualified. They did find Judge Massiah-
Jackson to be qualified. Therefore, I agreed to support her through
this process until it reached the floor.
I always left open the opportunity, and still do, to judge as to
whether I believe that person should be finally approved by the Senate.
In the case of Judge Massiah-Jackson I have very serious concerns that
she is in fact going to be a good judge on the Eastern District in
Pennsylvania. The charges that have been put forward by the district
attorneys association and others I think are very serious. The cases
you have heard from Senator Hatch and I know others will be talking
about today raise very serious concerns about her respect for law
enforcement and her treatment of criminals on both her record as far as
a finder of fact in nonjury trials as well as her sentencing as a
result of being the finder of fact.
So those things I have very grave concerns about, but having said all
that I don't think it is fair for the Senate to move forward and vote
on a nominee who has not had the opportunity to respond. I just think
that would be unprecedented. These allegations, unfortunately, came in
at the last minute, came in almost after the last minute. Judge
Massiah-Jackson actually almost was approved before we left at the end
of last year but an objection was raised by two Senators for that
approval. Otherwise, she would have been approved by unanimous consent
here. Two Senators objected to that approval. It was only after that--
in fact not immediately after that because that happened in November.
It was 2 months later that this information came out--not 2 months but
almost 2 months later that this information came out in a letter from
the district attorney of Philadelphia and the neighborhood who voiced
her concern and her opposition and obviously the district attorneys
association followed suit, or I guess about the same time came forward
and said they objected. Subsequently, the fraternal order of police in
Philadelphia objected, then the State and then the national. So we had
this sort of drip, drip, drip of opposition come out, and I am not
questioning whether it is legitimate or not.
These are, obviously, very important substantive issues, but I must
admit I am a bit concerned and bothered by the fact it came out at such
a late time and in such a, I think, unprofessional fashion. We needed
to have this information before the committee when the committee
brought her nomination up for confirmation. It was only fair to the
judge to do that. And I think these allegations coming out at the time
they are have not been fair to her, so I think for the Senate to move
forward at this point would be an additional unfairness to this
candidate. And so I would encourage my colleague, the Senator from
Utah, as well as the Senator from Vermont, Senator Leahy, to
coordinate, whether we have to do it by some formal action in the
Senate or preferably by some informal action, that we delay this
nominee today, give her the opportunity to come before the Judiciary
Committee and have an opportunity to be heard and to respond to these
allegations, and they are serious, but I frankly think the more serious
the more I feel compelled to give her the opportunity to respond. If
they were not so serious, then I would say, well, let's just move
forward. But the fact they are serious I think fairness requires her to
come before the committee and give her accounting of these fact
situations.
And what are they? Well, 50 cases have been brought to our attention
here in the last few weeks, 50 cases that have been delivered to us for
the last year in which she was a judge. I believe she was a criminal
court judge about 7 years. I could be wrong by a half year or so. The
last year they went through her records and of 400 some cases, they
pulled 50 to show what they believe is conduct that shows a disrespect
for the rule of law and a very soft approach on crime.
I must admit I have read the summaries of all 50 of those cases and I
am troubled by not all of them but certainly most of them. I also
understand that is the synopsis of the district attorneys association
as to what the
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facts were in the cases, and I would think it is only fair that we hear
what the judge's perspective is as to what the facts at least alleged
in these summaries are before we make the decision in the Senate.
And so again I think on that count the judge deserves an opportunity.
Other information has been brought forward as to her sentencing record.
Again, that was somewhat reviewed by the committee. They are taking a
little different angle. But these are nuances that I think are
important, when it comes to sentencing, she have an opportunity to
provide at least some light on the subject.
There is the issue of her acquittal rate. According to the district
attorneys association, her acquittal rate is much higher than the
average judge. When I say acquittal rate, acquittal when she sits as
finder of fact in a nonjury trial--that her rate of acquittal is higher
than the average rate of acquittal, on all charges I might add, on all
charges of the average judge in Philadelphia. In fact, in the last 4
years it is three times the rate of the average judge in Philadelphia.
Again, I am not an expert in the way the court system functions in
Philadelphia. I don't know what division of the court she was sitting
in. I don't know what that means. Is it maybe as the result of the kind
of cases she was hearing? I think those are important questions we have
to ask her and, frankly, ask the district attorneys association or the
district attorney of Philadelphia at a hearing so we can understand in
a little broader picture what the facts are with respect to her
acquittal rate.
So those are just some of the things that while on the face of it I
must admit are troubling and may continue to be troubling if the
response, Judge Massiah-Jackson's responses are not satisfactory, I
think the opportunity to respond is imperative.
So I rise to support what hopefully will be the order of the day here
which is to give everyone an opportunity to be heard but hopefully then
give Judge Massiah-Jackson the opportunity to be heard.
I thank the Chair.
Mr. ASHCROFT. Mr. President, I rise today to speak out in opposition
to the nomination of Judge Frederica Massiah-Jackson to be United
States District Judge for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.
We have heard in recent weeks about the so-called vacancy crisis in
Federal courts and that the Senate needs to move more quickly in
putting the Clinton nominees on the bench.
Well, I for one am more concerned about the quality of nominees than
I am about the quantity of nominees. And I am quite sure that we should
not respond to a perceived vacancy crisis by giving a lifetime
appointment to Frederica Massiah-Jackson.
Before putting this nomination into the context of judges in
Washington, and the battles over judges, it is worth emphasizing the
remarkably strong and unified opposition of local law enforcement to
this nomination. I have not had a long history of appointments and
confirmations here in the Senate--3 years. We have confirmed scores of
judges over the course of 3 years. When I was Governor, I had the
opportunity to appoint a couple of hundred judges. I appointed all
seven members of the supreme court of the State of Missouri. It was a
privilege for which I was deeply grateful and I took it very seriously.
I thought it very important that we appoint individuals of high
quality.
Never in my experience with judicial appointees here in the U.S.
Senate or in my time as a Governor, when I appointed several hundred
judges in my home State, did I ever see a community of prosecutors step
forward and say, ``Don't do this.'' Never before have officers of the
court--and prosecutors are officers of the court--felt the necessity to
stand up and say, whatever you do, don't confirm this one. Don't
appoint this individual.
At noon today I participated in a press conference with national and
local law enforcement officials. Other participants included John
Morganelli, the district attorney from Northampton County in
Pennsylvania, and Ralph Germak, the district attorney in Juniata County
of Pennsylvania, and Richard Costello, the president of the
Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police.
I thank them for their willingness to come forward. They came to the
news conference to express their opposition to Judge Massiah-Jackson.
Interestingly enough, these are not individuals that you would normally
expect to publicly express their opposition. District Attorney
Morganelli is a Democrat. The nomination of this Democrat judge from
Philadelphia was made by a Democrat President. It takes courage to put
one's country and the judicial system above one's party. But District
Attorney Morganelli chose to do so.
Not only did District Attorney Morganelli come forward, but he also
made us aware of District Attorney Lynne Abraham, a Democrat district
attorney for Philadelphia. At great political cost to her, Ms. Abraham
said this nominee is simply unacceptable. She wrote in a letter
addressed to Senator Arlen Specter on January 8 of this year, referring
to Judge Massiah-Jackson:
This nominee's judicial service is replete with instances
of demonstrated leniency toward criminals, an adversarial
attitude toward police, and a disrespect toward prosecutors
unmatched by any other present or former jurist with whom I
am familiar.
The severity of that statement is matched only by its candor and its
courage. It is not easy for a district attorney who has the
responsibility of sending prosecutors into that courtroom to come
forward with that kind of testimony about a nominee. Most of us would
not want to tell the truth about a judge that we were going to have to
face over and over and over again. When District Attorney Morganelli
and District Attorney Lynne Abraham come forward, speaking at great
personal risk, I do not take that lightly.
When Richard Costello spoke, as the president of the Philadelphia
Fraternal Order of Police, he mentioned casually a fact that sent a
chill down my spine. He said, ``I have been shot twice.'' And then he
related the story of how Judge Massiah-Jackson had ordered undercover
policemen to stand up and be recognized in court so that any drug
dealers that were there would recognize them if they saw them on the
streets. You can imagine what happens to an undercover policeman who is
trying to make a drug buy in a case and the drug dealer recognizes the
policeman. It could well be that that individual's life would not be
worth that much.
I think these individuals who have come forward have a unique blend
of personal experience and an unparalleled amount of courage to provide
this important information to the U.S. Senate. Nomination fights are
difficult. I wish we didn't have all these fights stacked at once. But
there is a level of quality that we must expect from individuals who
are appointed for life to the Federal bench. If that level of quality
does not exist, we must find it elsewhere.
I do not believe that the talent pool of individuals available to be
Federal judges in America is shallow. I do not believe that we cannot
find moral people who are decent, who have an ability to stay in the
middle of a controversy instead of joining one side or the other. I do
not believe that the number of trained, skilled lawyers in the
Philadelphia, PA community is so low that we have to accept individuals
who, according to the district attorney, have an adversarial attitude
toward police and disrespect prosecutors. The prosecutors are a part of
the court and judicial system. They are entitled to respect. But this
nominee is so far below the minimum quality we should expect from a
Federal judge that it is tragic. The local law enforcement community is
horrified. They are about to be saddled with a judge that they say is
the worst.
There is a principle, I think they call it ``the Peter Principle,''
where they kick people upstairs. They keep promoting them because they
want to get rid of them. These officials who came forward in this case
are not even willing to do that. They understand that this would be a
mistake of unparalleled proportions. Washington may seem willing to
rubberstamp nominees no matter how unqualified, but these courageous
individuals from Philadelphia--and, I might add, the prosecutors
association from the State of Pennsylvania, which voted unanimously
against this nominee--are not.
I began a minute ago to address the idea of the talent pool, the idea
that there are people talented enough and capable enough, and who have
the requisite integrity to do a good job. I am
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firmly convinced of that. What really troubles me is that the Senate
here, now, is talking about maybe we can try and allow this individual
to have another hearing, in spite of the fact that the written
responses were inadequate, in spite of the fact that the oral responses
of this judge, when heard previously, were inadequate, that somehow we
could explain away everything. It is as if there is no other option.
I do not think we should try to find a way to make the worst nominee
that these folks have ever seen somehow marginally acceptable. We
should not be seeking the lowest quality possible in the Federal
judiciary. We should be seeking the highest quality possible.
Let me go through some of the objections that the local officials
outlined. These happen to be the basis for my own opposition. They are
fourfold.
This nominee has shown disrespect for the court by using the English
language's most offensive profanity in open court. This is not a
subject of debate. This is the subject of court records. You see, there
were certain times when this judge's personal court reporter wasn't
there to take down the testimony and so a reporter unaccustomed to the
language of this judge just filed the report with the offensive
language in it, instead of scrubbing the report.
I think for us to say that a judge who uses the crudest profanity
that we know in America in a way that demeans the prosecutor in a
courtroom is someone that we should not reward by elevating to a
lifetime appointment as a Federal judge. It is just that simple. There
are some who said there have been apologies and it did not happen very
often. I know that there are several cases in court records which show
the kind of language that was used. They don't happen to occur in
records that were kept by the regular reporter. But, in my judgment,
when we have a deep talent pool, why should we say to those who are
both in the system and hoping someday to be made Federal judges, or
otherwise, that ``it doesn't matter what kind of language you use. You
just can come up and say you are not going to do it anymore and next
time make sure that the reporter scrubs it out of the record.'' We
really need to make a statement that people who disrespect the
participants in the judicial system do not belong as Federal judges
with lifetime appointments, accountable to no one.
Second, I already mentioned the eloquent testimony of
Richard Costello, the president of the Philadelphia Fraternal Order of
Police, and how this judge so favoring dope dealers asked undercover
police officers to stand up and be identified in court. You know any
dope dealer in the court wouldn't have been identified to the police
officers, only the police officers to the dope dealers. Here is a judge
who recklessly and without regard to the lives of police officials,
puts those lives at risk. Officer Costello indicated that he attended
the funerals of seven police officers who had been killed in the line
of duty, and he didn't appreciate in the least a judge jeopardizing his
fellow officers and his own ability to survive.
Third, this judge demonstrated hostility to prosecutors by
suppressing evidence and dismissing charges against criminals. I think
the statement by the chairman of the committee with regard to the young
man who was raped and the assailant who was captured, identified
crawling out of the bushes, was eloquent and powerful. We need judges
who will be fair and impartial.
Last but not least, this judge has shown leniency to criminals in
sentencing violent criminals to probation only, even when they have
been involved in violent crimes on a repeated basis. The judge has used
a technique to get to a place for lower sentences. When a person would
be charged with a crime and the evidence would come in and show
unequivocally that they are guilty of the crime, the judge would find
guilt of a lesser included offense so that she could avoid having to
impose the minimum sentence and could give a lesser sentence.
There has been a great deal of talk about how there have not been
very many appeals. Some have asked, ``How many times has she been
reversed on appeals?'' Let me say this, if you are a criminal you are
not going to appeal when the judge turns you loose. You are not going
to appeal when the sentence is low. It's very difficult for the
prosecutor to appeal.
The Senate cannot confirm this nominee in the face of the strong
opposition of the local law enforcement community and on the basis of
these four fundamental facts, which are established clearly in the
record and which require no additional committee meetings to examine.
This judge has been a profane judge, disrespecting prosecutors in the
courtroom by referring to them with the lowest level of profanity known
in the English language. This judge has recklessly risked the lives of
law enforcement officers by making undercover agents reveal who they
are to the drug-running community. This judge has demonstrated a
hostility toward prosecutors by suppressing evidence unnecessarily and
improperly on a repeated basis. And this judge has shown leniency
toward criminals by sentencing violent criminals only to probation when
the record clearly shows that not only are they violent criminals, but
they are violent repeat offenders.
For us to confirm this nominee of this President would be to betray
our oath of office to provide advice and consent. For us to confirm
this nominee would be the height of arrogance and another example of
``Washington knows best,'' when the folks at the local level know what
is right and they have come forward with great courage and inordinate
candor to share with the Senate their sentiments about this nominee.
As I mentioned earlier, never in my experiences with the appointment
of hundreds of judges have I ever heard from prosecutors like we have
in this matter. I've never seen so many stand up, be willing to call a
news conference and say, ``This kind of candidate is totally
unacceptable.''
We have heard a great deal in recent weeks about the vacancy crisis
in the Federal courts, and we heard it said that Republicans are
delaying for the sake of delay. In the case of Massiah-Jackson, I have
asked that we debate this issue for the sake of the country and for its
courts.
I must confess that this issue is here in the U.S. Senate because of
me, because at the close of the last session, I was contacted by no
less than a half a dozen different Senators who urged me to let this
nomination go through in the dark of night as a matter of unanimous
consent. They said, ``Let's get it over with; let's just get this
done.''
Well, that would have been an unfortunate mistake. It would not have
allowed these prosecutors and local officials to assemble their briefs.
It would not have allowed us to hear the evidence. It would not have
allowed us to make good decisions as Members of the U.S. Senate. I
resisted those efforts because I felt the nomination raised serious
questions, it had serious defects that needed to be examined in the
light of day.
When the President comes and asks us to work hard to make sure we do
a good job on nominees, I think that is a sincere request, but we
should take him at face value. I think these nominees are important
enough for us to debate, I think they are important enough for us to
decide, and I think we should debate them and decide them in the light
of day. There is no need for us to rush this particular item back into
a committee room somewhere so something can be done absent the light of
day and the scrutiny of the public. It is time for the U.S. Senate to
stand up and to say that there are times when the President simply
sends us individuals who are unacceptable.
I placed a hold on this nomination and refused to lift it, despite
the insistence of a number of Senators, including Senator Specter. Some
would point to this as unnecessary delay, but we will create an actual
crisis, not an imagined one, if we send individuals of this caliber
into America's courtrooms.
The Senate has a constitutional obligation to give its advice to the
President with respect to judicial nominees, and, in this case, I think
we should withhold our consent. I think that the President should have
withdrawn this nominee. I can't imagine the President understands the
character and nature of this nominee's conduct and wants the Senate to
ratify that conduct by sending this nominee into a lifetime
appointment. Surely the President is familiar with the litany of
disrespect assembled by this nominee in her prior service.
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One has to wonder about the vetting process that raises no objections
to a nominee like this one. You wonder what kind of job the American
Bar Association did. They purport to be the ``Good Housekeeping Seal of
Approval.'' I maybe ought to apologize to Good Housekeeping for saying
that, because never has a product with the ``Good Housekeeping Seal of
Approval'' fallen so short of its advertised billing.
The truth of the matter is this: The Constitution does not give the
American Bar Association or the Justice Department or the White House
counsel's office the screening responsibility for Federal judges. The
responsibility to screen Federal judges is resident in the U.S. Senate.
Some have said, ``Well, we ought to have another committee hearing;
we ought to have this; we ought to have that.'' The U.S. Senate acts as
a committee of the whole. When the nomination comes, we are each
eligible to evaluate the evidence. We are each charged with the
responsibility, duty and opportunity to help make sure that the
judicial branch of this country is properly staffed.
The President should withdraw this nomination. The American people
deserve better. This nomination sends the wrong message to criminals,
suggesting that you can find a friendly judge whose predisposition is
adversarial to the prosecutors. That is not my conclusion, that is the
conclusion of the prosecution community in Pennsylvania. It sends the
wrong message to young people that it doesn't matter what kind of
language or respect you accord to the judicial system, you can still be
moving up the ladder. Finally, this nomination sends the wrong message
to law enforcement that the U.S. Senate doesn't mind promoting someone
who puts the lives of law enforcement officials in jeopardy.
I call on the President to withdraw this nomination. If the President
refuses to withdraw this nominee, the Senate should vote to reject the
nominee now. There is no need for additional proceedings. The President
himself says we should have up-or-down votes. He says that there is a
backlog. Well, if there is a backlog, why slow the system down with a
reexamination of an individual who is unqualified to serve, who will
not take this responsibility of the American judiciary to its highest
and best, but who, unfortunately, will be found as reinforcing it at
its lowest and least?
Nothing will be gained by further delay or sending the nominee back
to committee. We know more than enough now, and we know more than
enough about the talent pool of lawyers in Philadelphia, PA, to know at
least there are some lawyers there that could have a far superior
propensity for public service than this nominee who has already soiled
a reputation while serving in a public position of responsibility.
We are constantly being told that if there are problems with
nominees, we should bring them up and vote them down. Now is the time
to dispose of this nomination. Now is the time to say America deserves
better. We deserve better than someone who would profanely abuse the
courtroom and the participants in the judicial system.
We deserve someone who would do better than to jeopardize the lives
of law enforcement officials.
We deserve a judge who would be fairer than to arbitrarily dismiss
evidence so that criminals could go loose unjustifiably.
We deserve someone who knows better than to avoid tough sentences
when there are repeat violent offenders against the people of our
cities and States.
I believe we have the votes, and after a debate in which people can
see the kind of nominees that the President is sending to the Senate,
we should vote this nominee down.
I thank the Chair.
Mr. SPECTER addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Hutchinson). The Senator from
Pennsylvania.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, let me take strong offense to what the
Senator from Missouri has said in a number of particulars, if I could
have his attention. If I could have the attention of the Senator from
Missouri. When he makes a comment about betraying the oath of office, I
consider that insulting. I have been in this body a little longer than
the Senator from Missouri has, and I know what my oath of office is. If
the Senator from Missouri thinks that he knows enough, that can be his
conclusion. He may be willing to make a judgment without hearing from
Judge Massiah-Jackson, but I don't think that is the fair or the
appropriate thing to do.
When he talks about why send it back to the Committee, let's debate
and decide this in the light of day, he is not only insulting this
Senator, he is insulting the Committee--why send it back to the
Committee without the scrutiny of the public? If the matter goes back
to the Committee, there will be an open hearing, and the Senator from
Missouri is on the Committee, although he wasn't present when Judge
Massiah-Jackson's hearing came up. The Senator from Missouri has made a
good political speech, but I don't think a speech becoming of the
United States Senate's decision to hear both sides of the case.
When the Senator from Missouri says that there has been offensive
language, that is true, and that was taken up with the Committee and
the Committee voted 12 to 6 to report Judge Massiah-Jackson out,
notwithstanding that language which was, in fact, offensive, and she
apologized for it. I don't know of any Senator on this floor or in this
body--maybe there is one, the Senator from Missouri--who has never made
offensive comments. But I don't think you would find people in many
offices, if any, who would be disqualified from office because they
made two offensive comments.
Mr. ASHCROFT. Will the Senator yield?
Mr. SPECTER. No, I won't. When I finish--no, go ahead, I will yield.
Mr. ASHCROFT. I wondered if the Senator had a question of me. You
asked that I stay, and I wonder if you had a question. If you do, I
will be pleased to answer it.
Mr. SPECTER. No, I do not have a question of you. I would like you to
listen to this. If you don't want to listen to Judge Massiah-Jackson, I
hope you will listen to a colleague who has something to say about what
you just said.
Mr. ASHCROFT. I have thoroughly reviewed the record of Judge Massiah-
Jackson.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you aware that the case you referred to involving
the rape of a young man was sent back to another judge for trial and
that defendant was acquitted?
Mr. ASHCROFT. I have thoroughly reviewed the record of Judge Massiah-
Jackson.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, that's an interesting answer to some other
question, but the question I just posed to you, are you aware of the
fact that defendant was acquitted when he went back for another trial--
you talked about the defendant being guilty, are you aware of the fact
that he was acquitted?
Mr. ASHCROFT. I am aware of the record of Judge Massiah-Jackson. It
was clearly stated by the chairman of the committee.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, then I would suggest----
Mr. ASHCROFT. Mr. President,----
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, regular order. I have the floor.
Mr. ASHCROFT. I have the floor.
Mr. SPECTER. I have the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Pennsylvania has the floor.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, when I make that comment about the
Senator from Missouri saying that he knows the facts, knows the case,
he raises four points, and one of them is the rape of this young man, a
victim, but he doesn't know that the defendant was acquitted. That does
have some bearing. If the scrutiny and the thoroughness of the Senator
from Missouri on the balance of the record is as thorough as it was on
this case, some may question the basis for his judgments, wanting to
come to a vote without having heard the other side of the case.
When the Senator from Missouri comments about endangering police
officers, I wonder if the Senator from Missouri knows that those
officers were identified because they testified in open court?
And when the Senator from Missouri talks about attending the funerals
of seven police officers, this Senator has attended the funerals of a
lot more police officers than seven in 4 years as an Assistant District
Attorney and 8 years as District Attorney of Philadelphia. It
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may be in that capacity that I have some greater knowledge of criminal
procedure in that city and what goes on in the courtroom and what
happens and whether somebody is entitled to make a reply. Not only
attended the funerals of seven police officers, but prosecuted on many
occasions their murderers.
When the Senator from Missouri makes a comment about lower sentences,
lesser included offenses, he may have a point on that, but that
requires an analysis of what was in the case.
I agree with the Senator from Missouri when he talks about the need
for a quality evaluation of judges, and I do not believe that we ought
to appoint judges for the Federal courts for lifetime appointments
without very thorough scrutiny, but I do not think that it advances the
cause to vilify or joke about the American Bar Association and the
``Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.'' The Philadelphia Bar
Association is making an analysis and stands behind Judge Massiah-
Jackson as her advocate.
When the Senator from Missouri says that Arlen Specter is the
sponsoring Senator, again, he doesn't know what he is talking about.
This is a nominee by the President. This is a nominee by the President,
and I have said that Judge Massiah-Jackson is entitled to a fair
hearing and to have her side of the matter presented. That is, as a
member of the Judiciary Committee, as a United States Senator and as a
juror, who has to make a decision.
I am well aware of my oath of office. And I am well aware of my
responsibilities to make an impartial judgment in this case. I said to
the district attorneys who came to my office on January 23--and I
repeated it earlier today--that I was interested in hearing what they
had to say, but I will not make a judgment until I hear the reply of
Judge Massiah-Jackson as a matter of basic fundamental fairness.
I yield the floor.
Mr. SESSIONS addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alabama is recognized.
Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. President, the process of advise and consent in the
U.S. Senate for judicial nominees is indeed an important one. We have
had some tremendous debate already this afternoon. And we have had it
on other nominees. The Senators that have spoken earlier today are
outstanding Senators who deeply care about their work. And I respect
them all.
I think it unfortunate that we may have crossed over into some
personal matters that would not be normally displayed on this floor.
But I think it is important what we are doing. I think it is
commendable that people speak with passion about what they believe in.
A Federal judicial lifetime appointment is an important office. I
served as an assistant U.S. attorney, a Federal prosecutor, for 2\1/2\
years. I served as a U.S. attorney, a Federal prosecutor, for almost 12
years. I practiced every day, full time, before Federal judges.
I respect and believe in Federal judges with great passion. I believe
we ought to have the finest quality of people we can possibly have on
the federal bench. I have tried, as I have participated in the Senate
Judiciary Committee, as a member, to conduct myself in that committee
with the highest levels of professionalism.
When this nominee came up, I had some concerns as a professional
prosecutor. I had a feeling, an intuition, that there was something
unhealthy about this nominee, that there was perhaps an unstated bias
against prosecutors and law enforcement. We had a number of matters
that indicated such a bias.
She testified well and gave some explanations. I concluded that we
ought to vote no on the nominee. A number of other people, a majority,
did not oppose the nominee. Her nomination came to the floor.
I think it is true, as Senator Ashcroft has suggested, had he not put
a hold on that nominee, she would be a Federal judge today. That was
the direction we were heading. The vote was coming up. The committee
had voted 2 to 1 in favor of that nominee.
The President has asked that his judges be voted on. I think he has a
right to ask that, as it is a fair thing for the President to ask. But
I think the President also recognizes that sometimes giving a little
insight into it is important; otherwise we become nothing more than a
rubber stamp or a potted plant. And I do not intend to do that. I have
a responsibility. I serve on that committee. I care about the Federal
judiciary, and I want good quality judges on the bench.
So that is where we are. I think one thing is important and
instructive out of this entire process. Senator Specter and Senator
Santorum and Senator Biden had a hearing in Philadelphia. They sought
out comments. They did not receive any substantial negative comments.
In defense of Senator Specter, at the hearing he volunteered to allow
me to continue my questioning of Judge Massiah-Jackson beyond the
normal time limit that I would have been given. I do not think there
has been an attempt to suppress the truth.
What happens in situations like this, however, is that people hate to
speak out against a person who has been nominated for a high position.
They just do not like to do it. There is no fun in it. There is no
pleasure to it. It is not a nice thing to have to do.
So what really happened was, after the hearing in which I questioned
Ms. Massiah-Jackson, as did Senator Specter and Senator Kyl and others,
it was reported in the Philadelphia papers, apparently, that law
enforcement officers, line prosecutors, who had been in the courtroom
day after day in Philadelphia, the Philadelphia district attorney and
others began to think about this, the prospect of this nominee being a
full time, lifetime appointed Federal judge.
As a result of that, they made some decisions. They decided to come
forward and express their true beliefs. Those opinions ought to be
respected. I would say, in accord with Senator Ashcroft, in my
experience I have never seen the kind of unanimity of opinion in
opposition to a nominee by a group of professional people who have
associated with that nominee on a daily basis as I have seen in the
case of this nominee.
The objections are bipartisan--Republicans and Democrats. The
district attorney in Philadelphia is a democrat and is nationally
known, Lynne Abraham. She is a true professional, a leader in a number
of different activities for law enforcement, and has substantial
credibility.
She wrote the Judiciary Committee, after our hearing, this letter. I
will quote from it. You can listen because it is very carefully
explained. She chooses her words very carefully. It is a significant
opinion by a prosecutor in Philadelphia whose assistants practiced
under this judge on a regular basis, who personally served as a judge
with her on the bench at another point in time, a fellow colleague with
her.
This is what she said. She first said she had never taken a position
on a judge. She did not want to take a position on a judge, but she
felt she had to. She said:
My position on this nomination goes well beyond mere
differences of opinion or judicial philosophy. Instead, this
nominee's record presents multiple instances of a deeply
ingrained and pervasive bias against prosecutors and law
enforcement officers and, by extension, an insensitivity to
victims of crime. Moreover, the nominee's judicial demeanor
and courtroom conduct, in my judgment, undermines respect for
the rule of law and, instead, tends to bring the law into
disrepute.
Ms. Abraham, a Democratic district attorney in Philadelphia, goes on
to write:
This nominee's judicial service is replete with instances
of demonstrated leniency toward criminals, an adversarial
attitude toward police, and disrespect and a hostile attitude
toward prosecutors unmatched by any other present or former
jurist with whom I am familiar.
I say, Mr. President, that is a serious comment by a serious person
about a nominee that they felt very deeply about. It was important that
we hear it. Had that nominee not been held up over Christmas, and had
it not been they had an opportunity to discuss it, we would not have
heard that.
I submit this, too, that I have been a prosecutor that supervised a
staff of attorneys. They talk about judges. You know who the judges are
that are just a terror to work before. You know who the ones are that
are always looking to undermine the case, to rule for the defendant.
A prosecutor, see, does not get to appeal most rulings on evidence. A
motion of judgment of acquittal on a case is a final judgment. The
prosecutor has no right to appeal. But a judge can rule
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against the defendant, and the defendant has the right to appeal. So if
a judge is not willing to give the prosecutor a fair trial, there are
many times there is no recourse. A granting, for example, of a judgment
of acquittal by a judge is an unreviewable order. They can take a case
from the jury, declare there is not enough evidence there, and it is
the same as if a jury had acquitted them. Double jeopardy applies and
that sort of thing. So this is a problem. It is particularly a problem
with a lifetime Federal appointment.
Other law enforcement officials share Ms. Abraham's concern. District
Attorney John Morganelli of Northhampton County, PA, also opposes the
nomination of Judge Massiah-Jackson. Mr. Morganelli, who is also a
Democrat, wrote last month that Judge Jackson's conduct is
``unjudicial, improper, and illustrates a disdain for police and
prosecutors.'' Those are his words, not mine.
Another district attorney from Pennsylvania, Bob Buehner of Montour
County, also opposes the nomination. He wrote that Judge Jackson's
``actions as a common pleas judge in Philadelphia have, at times,
bordered on the outrageous. She has used profanity in her courtroom.
What is even worse is her consistent, demonstrated exceedingly adverse
attitude toward prosecutors and members of the law enforcement
community.
That is what troubled me to begin with about this matter when it came
up before the committee. We had the circumstance in which Judge Jackson
in the courtroom, on the record, said to a female assistant U.S.
district attorney: ``Shut your `F'-ing mouth.''
Well, some may say people slip. They say things they ought not to
say. But from what was said about that, it troubled me, from some of
the other circumstances involved, that it indicates a lack of respect
for the prosecutor, a lack of understanding that the prosecutor is a
litigant, too, who represents the people of Pennsylvania and is
entitled to the same protections of the law as is the defendant. That
is what concerned me about it.
Now we have these letters from these professional law enforcement
people in Philadelphia. They have seen this judge handle hundreds of
cases, thousands of cases perhaps. Their assistants have been
prosecuting there on a daily basis. They talk about what it is like to
be in that courtroom. That is where we are today.
Let me say this. These are not just isolated comments of one or two
prosecutors. In fact, on January 8 of this year, the Pennsylvania
District Attorneys' Association officially and unanimously voted to
oppose the confirmation of Judge Massiah-Jackson. The association found
that Judge Jackson's record ``indicates an attitude which is unusually
adversarial toward police and prosecutors. Her record also indicates a
tendency to be lenient with respect to criminal defendants.''
In addition to the prosecutors, many police officers oppose the
nomination of Judge Jackson. For example, the Philadelphia lodge of the
Fraternal Order of Police announced their opposition to Judge Jackson
last month. The Philadelphia lodge of the Fraternal Order of Police
stated that:
Judge Jackson has an established record of being extremely
lenient to criminals; insensitive to the victims of crime;
and has posed a direct threat against police. Judge Jackson's
bizarre rulings, coupled with her challenging and adversarial
attitude toward police and prosecutors, make it appear she is
on a crusade against public safety.
That is the Fraternal Order of Police there.
Now, even in a great city the size of Philadelphia, judges have
reputations. Police officers know them. They know what kind of
experience it is to appear before them. They know how a hostile judge
can leave them hanging out to dry--and it can be a very tough day
indeed--and what it is like to be before a fair and objective judge. I
do not think that is a flippant comment. I think that represents a
considered opinion of the police department, the police officers, the
line police officers in Philadelphia.
Judge Jackson's nomination is so controversial that even the National
Fraternal Order of Police has taken a stand and formally opposed her
confirmation.
I would like to share with my fellow Senators some examples that
demonstrate why these law enforcement people oppose Judge Jackson's
nomination. While these are just a few of her decisions--many of which
I firmly disagree with--I think they indicate some of the reasons why
they would reach these conclusions and why she should not be confirmed
as a judge.
In Commonwealth v. Ruiz, Judge Jackson acquitted a man accused of
possessing $400,000 worth of cocaine because she did not believe the
testimony of the two undercover officers. In this case, Judge Jackson
pointed out in the courtroom the two undercover officers, telling the
onlookers ``to take a good look at the undercover officers and watch
yourself.''
Well, some say, ``Well, you know, maybe they shouldn't have been
testifying. Maybe they would have been identified anyway. What harm did
that do?''
I will tell you what troubled me about it, in addition to just the
plain fact that it may have jeopardized the lives of line police
officers. What went through my mind was, what would make her do that?
Why would she do that? What kind of hostility or bias against police
and law enforcement would cause her to go out of her way to identify
police officers and tell others to watch out because they might come
out to arrest you or catch you. That is what concerned me from the
beginning about this case.
Detective-Sergeant Daniel Rodriguez, one of the undercover officers
exposed by Judge Jackson, had this to say: ``I hope I don't ever have
to make buys from anyone in this courtroom. They would know me but I
wouldn't know them. What the judge said jeopardized our ability to make
buys. And it put us in physical danger.''
Now, the reason that is significant is in every sizable police
department there are a number of police officers who, for a period of
time, work in an undercover capacity. It is the best way to make a drug
case because the one guy who sells drugs today is going to sell them
tomorrow. You simply send somebody out pretending to be a drug dealer
and put a tape recorder under his coat. He goes out to buy drugs from
him and records it so it is not one person's word against another one.
It is actually the drug dealer's recorded word and you can play that in
court and the jury who hears it can feel like they are right there,
know whether or not there was any entrapment. They will know everything
that was said and they can make a decision whether this was a person
who committed a crime.
These officers were undercover police officers. This was their
responsibility--to go out on a regular basis to make cases. I don't
know, maybe they are witnesses in other courtrooms there. Maybe there
were other drug defendants there, maybe families of drug dealers who
also dealt in drugs, who may have been of a violent nature. It made the
police officer unhappy and it also made him afraid. He knew that if he
ever tried to make an undercover buy from any of those individuals they
would not deal with him and may even harm him.
Again, why would she do that? Why? What would make a judge do that--
something I have never seen in my entire lifetime or practice of law as
a prosecutor. By the way, we did ask about this matter and some of the
others at the hearing, and she did have a chance to answer to them.
In addition, Judge Jackson made some very offensive comments to
prosecutors in court. In Commonwealth v. Willie Hannibal she told an
assistant United States attorney, as I said, ``Will you shut your `f-
ing' mouth.'' When asked about this comment by the Philadelphia
Inquirer, Jackson said, ``Maybe I would suggest it offended [Ms.
McDermott], but I can't imagine the defendant was offended.''
Now, later, when the Judicial Inquiry Commission, the disciplinary
commission of the Pennsylvania judicial system, disciplined her in some
fashion she said she was sorry and she shouldn't have done it and she
said that before our committee. But to the newspaper, her comments
didn't reflect remorse to me, and in fact she said it may have made the
prosecutor mad but it made the defendant happy.
It is the kind of odd approach to judging that I think is unhealthy.
I believe it shows an insight into her attitude about law enforcement
and criminal law that is very instructive.
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She is also on record as using profanity in another instance in the
courtroom.
Now, you would expect, perhaps, if my intuition is correct, that this
is an anti-law enforcement judge, a person who is more concerned about
the rights of criminals than about the rights of the victims, that it
would show up in the sentencing tendencies of the judge. In this case
it really does. In Commonwealth v. Norman Nesmith, the defendant was
convicted of striking a pedestrian with his car, leaving her seriously
injured in a gutter, fleeing the scene of the crime and beating into
unconsciousness one of the woman's relatives who tried to thwart his
escape. As usual, the defendant waived a trial.
You have a right to waive a trial by jury and be tried by the judge.
Apparently, many people waive their jury trial early on in the system
in Philadelphia and they don't know what judge is actually going to
hear it and they are tried before a judge and not before a jury. They
have a right to be tried by a jury if they demand it.
At any rate, this individual waived a trial by jury and asked to be
tried by the judge herself. She sentenced him to 2 years probation for
all seven convictions. The defendant had a long prior record for that
offense.
In Commonwealth v. Jerome Gray, the defendant severely beat his
girlfriend. The victim had cracked ribs, a collapsed lung, a ruptured
spleen that had to be removed. After being released from the hospital
the defendant threatened to kill her.
As usual, the defendant waived jury trial and was tried by Judge
Jackson. He was found guilty of recklessly endangering another person,
aggravated assault, second-degree and simple assault, and was sentenced
to only 24 months probation.
In Commonwealth v. Freeman, the defendant shot and wounded another
man in the chest because the defendant laughed at him. Judge Jackson
convicted the defendant of a misdemeanor instead of a felony offense
and sentenced him to 23 months, but then immediately paroled him so he
did not have to serve any prison time.
In Commonwealth v. Jenkins, the police arrived at the scene of an
armed robbery within minutes. They were given detailed descriptions of
the robbers and told that the suspects had run north along the street.
The descriptions were broadcast over the radio. Soon thereafter, other
police officers arrested an individual matching the description 1\1/2\
blocks from the crime scene. When approached by the police, the suspect
took a roll of cash from his pocket and threw it on the ground.
Amazingly, the judge ruled that probable cause did not exist to make
the arrest or stop, and suppressed the stolen cash. She also suppressed
the in-court and out-of-court identifications.
Now, police have a responsibility and a duty to be on the streets to
try to protect us from crime. The Supreme Court is clear, in my
opinion, that these kind of stops by police officers when they have
this kind of probable cause are constitutional. Here, the police saw
the defendant throwing down a roll of money, he meets the description
of a defendant, he is running a block and a half away--that is the kind
of basis to make a stop. If we eliminate the ability of police to make
that kind of good, heads-up police work because some judge says it
violates the search and seizure law, we are in real trouble. The law
does not say that is illegal. In fact, the Supreme Court of the United
States, and I am sure the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, holds
regularly that those kind of searches with probable cause are
legitimate and constitutional
In Commonwealth v. Hicks, the defendant was charged with robbery,
theft, receiving stolen property, aggravated assault and simple
assault. The defense made a motion for continuance because a police
officer that the defense had called did not show up to testify, even
though he had been subpoenaed. Judge Jackson ruled that the officer was
under the State's control and forced the prosecution to dismiss or
nolle pros the case. When the prosecution refused to nolle pros the
case, she dismissed the charges.
Judge Jackson's order dismissing that case was reversed by the
appellate court and the charges were reinstated. The appellate court
noted that the prosecution was ready to try the case, the prosecutor
was ready to try the case. What wrong had he or she done? The only
motion before the court was a defense request to continue the case
until he got his witness there. Judge Jackson could simply have granted
the motion by the defendant to continue the case instead of dismissing
the charges.
Prosecutors don't like to resist judges. They have to practice before
them on a regular basis. It is something that they have to do. I say,
from my reading of those facts, that that prosecutor was probably a
young person not long out of law school, hustling to handle a whole
bunch of cases, and just would not knuckle under. He was not going to
nolle pros that case because there was no basis for it. Why would she
dismiss it and cause the State to go to the incredible expense of
appeal is not rational to me. It does not suggest that we have an
evenhanded justice in Judge Jackson's courtroom. In fact, just the
opposite.
Mr. President, there are a number of other things that we could say
about this with regard to sentences. I asked Judge Jackson about this
at the Judiciary Committee hearing. The State of Pennsylvania has some
sentencing guidelines. They are pretty broad. They are not as strong
and not as tight as the Federal guidelines but they are significant.
You carry a gun during the commission of a crime, you have another 5
years you have to serve. It has to be 5 years for that gun, regardless.
If you are convicted of aggravated assault, felony-one, then you are
looking at 10 to 20 years in jail.
Under the sentencing guidelines, according to her own numbers
presented by Judge Jackson, she departed from the sentencing guidelines
twice as much as other judges in Philadelphia. What I don't think those
numbers show and what would make them even more dramatic, they don't
show the instances that appear to be so regular in which she convicted
the defendant of a lesser offense than which he was charged.
The District Attorney's Association have provided some 50 cases that
show, time and time and time again, that this judge convicted the
defendant on a lesser offense than what they were charged when it would
seem it was almost impossible for the defendant not to be convicted on
a higher and more serious offense.
For example, Commonwealth v. Sprewall, the defendant ordered a friend
to shoot the victim but the friend refused. The defendant took the gun
from the other defendant's hand. The defendant's brother then tried to
stop the defendant, but he pushed away his brother and fired over five
shots at the fleeing victim, hitting him in the stomach, thigh,
buttocks and leg. The victim slipped in and out of consciousness when
he was admitted to the hospital where he spent 3 weeks. One of his toes
had to be amputated and he had to use a colostomy bag for 10 months
following surgery. Despite this plain evidence of serious bodily
injury, in Philadelphia if you commit an aggravated assault that causes
or attempts to cause serious bodily injury then you have been convicted
of felony 1, 10 to 20 years.
An injury is defined as serious if it causes the protracted
impairment or loss of a bodily member, organ, serious or permanent
disfigurement, or a substantial risk of injury. The classic example of
aggravated assault in a first-degree felony is the shooting of a gun at
a person. You don't even have to hit him. If you were trying to then
you are attempting to cause serious bodily injury. This person was hit
a number of times.
Despite this plain evidence of serious bodily injury, the judge
convicted the defendant of only felony 2, aggravated assault, causing
nonserious injury, on the dubious theory that there might have been
more than one shooter and that the defendant's intent to cause serious
injury was somehow in doubt. Thus, the court aborted having to impose
the 5-year mandatory minimum sentence for felony 1 aggravated assault.
The judge then sentenced the defendant from 15 to 30 months, one-
quarter of the minimum required sentence that he would have faced had
he been convicted under the more serious offense.
According to the report, it goes on to say that had this defendant
been sentenced to the mandatory minimum of 5
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years imprisonment, using a gun, that he would still have been serving
his sentence in 1993 when he was at that time arrested again for
gunpoint robbery, and he would have been in jail in 1994 when he was,
again, on two occasions, arrested for gunpoint robbery.
In another case, the defendant shot the victim, hitting him in the
chest and back. The victim had to undergo emergency surgery and spent
2\1/2\ weeks in the hospital with the first 3 days in intensive care.
Despite this clear evidence of a felony-one aggravated assault, the
court found the defendant guilty of only second-degree aggravated
assault. The defendant was then sentenced to 2\1/2\ to 5 years instead
of at least the minimum sentence of 5 to 10 years.
I think I misspoke. I believe the minimum sentence under a felony-one
sentence would be 5 to 10 years, instead of 10 to 20.
I will not continue to discuss those cases, but there are many of
them. There are some 50. They are replete with just these kinds of
circumstances in which serious cases are reduced and the defendant is
found guilty on a lesser charge. For the most part, a judge's decision
to do this is unreviewable; that is, there is no way the prosecutor can
appeal because the failure to convict on the more serious charge is an
acquittal on that charge. And the judge being the finder of fact,
jeopardy attaches. That is a final judgment.
Under the double jeopardy clause of the United States Constitution,
and I am sure the Pennsylvania Constitution, criminal defendants can't
be tried again for that same offense. So it is over. That is a final
decision. So the judge has this unreviewable power. Some people do not
realize what the power of a judge has. They have this unreviewable
power to make certain findings of fact that can never be reviewed. And
the prosecutor and the victims in separate and subsequent offenses have
to live with that. There is nothing they can do. You can't sue a judge.
They have immunity. Judge Learned Hand said this about Federal judges:
``There is nothing they can do to us. They can't fire us, and they
can't even dock our pay.''
So we are considering this nominee who has a lot of good friends and
has been actively involved in her community. I am not saying anything
about that. I am just saying that I am confident, based upon my review
of this record, that this nominee has an unhealthy bias against law
enforcement. It is the kind of bias that I must say is disqualifying.
It suggests that she ought not to be confirmed to a lifetime
appointment. At least in Philadelphia she has to come up for election
or review and can be removed from office if she continues to act in a
way that is arbitrary and capricious and unjustified. But when we
appoint somebody as a Federal judge, then they have it for life.
Let me say this: It is a difficult task. It is an honor to be
nominated. I know this is not a pleasant thing for Judge Massiah-
Jackson to go through. She is still a State judge, and will be able to
continue as that. And perhaps this will cause her to reevaluate whether
or not she has been objective in this process of handling criminal
cases. If so, then some good will come out of that.
I respect the Senators from Pennsylvania. This is not their nominee.
This is the President's nominees. He chose this nominee. He had
background checks done on this nominee. He is the one that submitted
this name to the U.S. Senate. He asked us to vote on it. I am ready to
vote. If people feel like we need another hearing to talk some more
about it, so be it. I am ready to vote. The President asked us to vote.
I am prepared to vote, and I am prepared to vote no.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Mr. SPECTER addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Pennsylvania.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, let me congratulate the Senator from
Alabama for his professional discussion of today, and I think that the
Senator from Alabama has raised questions which require an answer. I
think that we will give Judge Massiah-Jackson an opportunity to respond
to the questions which the distinguished Senator from Alabama has
raised.
Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. President, will the Senator yield?
Mr. SPECTER. I do.
Mr. SESSIONS. I would like to say that whereas I concluded at the
hearings that this nominee had these kind of tendencies based on what I
saw, a majority of the committee did not agree with that, and we did
not have the overwhelming amount of evidence that we have now. I say
that in all due respect to the Senator from Pennsylvania. He had a
hearing in Pennsylvania. These things did not come up at that time. I
understand. I don't criticize the district attorneys and the police.
They don't like to be involved in this. But I think they had to. They
felt they had to come forward, and they did. I think it is time now for
us to do our job. I wanted to say that in respect to the Senator from
Pennsylvania.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, I understand that the Senator from
Alabama voted against Judge Massiah-Jackson at the committee level and
had raised questions about Judge Massiah-Jackson so that he felt those
questions were sufficient at that time for him to make his judgment. I
respect his judgment. He has raised quite a number of additional
questions today. And when he cites these cases about making a finding
of a lesser included offense, he accurately states the law that those
matters are not reviewable, that is the conclusion of the case.
On a number of other matters which he has raised, those matters are
reviewable; that where Judge Massiah-Jackson has made the decision to
suppress evidence, that is a reviewable matter. So when she makes that
judgment, her decision can be overturned. And where she made the
judgment to order a nolle pros of a case, that was subject to review as
well.
When the Senator from Alabama was present at the hearing, we
discussed a number of those cases. We have both been prosecutors. We
know the evidentiary rules, and some matters may be reviewed. Judge
Massiah-Jackson made quite a number of judgments which were subject to
review, and on a good many of them she was upheld.
When the Senator from Alabama raises questions about what the police
community has stated, I understand that and respect that.
We received one letter from the Grand Lodge of the Fraternal Order of
Police citing a case where Judge Massiah-Jackson did some things that
they write to disagree with. On that particular case, it went for
appellate review, and the Appellate Court of Pennsylvania upheld Judge
Massiah-Jackson. So the issue would be that these police officers and
police officials will have an opportunity to testify about the
specifics as to their judgment or whether their judgment might differ
if they knew what had happened on appeal in the case.
When the Senator from Alabama talks about ``why will the judge
identify police officers in court,'' that is the case referred to by
Senator Hatch earlier where those officers have already testified in
court.
In raising questions about why Judge Massiah-Jackson would take
action in a variety of contexts, I think those are fair and appropriate
questions. I think those questions are appropriate for Judge Massiah-
Jackson to have an opportunity in which to respond. To the credit of
the Senator from Alabama, when we had the hearing, he was there and he
was asking those questions.
I think it is not irrelevant to comment that there have been a number
of convictions of police officers in the Federal court in Philadelphia
recently for falsifying evidence in drug cases. Several hundred cases
have been dismissed by the District Attorney of Philadelphia. The city
of Philadelphia has paid out some $11 million in damages where you deal
in a certain context and certain sections of a big city like
Philadelphia. It may differ from some other communities. I came to
Philadelphia from Russell, KS, and the differences were absolutely
gigantic.
When I was District Attorney in Philadelphia for 8 years after being
assistant DA for some 4 years, I had many very strong disagreements
with the judges. In one case, I was held in contempt of court in my
battle on a sentence on a narcotics case, Commonwealth v. Arnold Marks.
I still remember it. It only happened 28 years ago--4 ounces of pure,
uncut heroin. And I thought the sentence was insufficient. I battled
with the judge.
The judges in Philadelphia when I became DA used to come to court
late and leave early. I sent my detectives
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into court to write down the time they arrived and the time they left
for lunch and the time they got back and the time they quit. Very
frequently, court was supposed to run 10 to 12:30 and 2 to 4--4\1/2\
hours on the bench, not a straining schedule. But they had jobs to do
in chambers. But the common practice was to arrive a few minutes before
11, work to about 12:10, come back at 2:50 and leave about 3:20. So I
sent detectives in to court to write down the times.
Soon thereafter, one of my detectives was held in contempt. I went
down to the court. I said to the judge, ``You can't hold him in
contempt. I did the order.'' I was the District Attorney. ``If you are
going to hold anybody in contempt, you have to hold me in contempt. You
can't hold me in contempt because anybody can come in open court and
write down the times you come and go.''
Later, I got the Chief Justice of Pennsylvania to issue an order that
judges had to sit from 9:30 to 5. We petitioned for reconsideration of
sentences.
This business about battling with the judge is something a District
Attorney has to do. That is the appropriate role of a public
prosecutor. When the District Attorneys have raised questions, I think
that is within their rights. The police officers have raised questions.
I think that is within their rights.
But let's hear what Judge Massiah-Jackson has to say. The Senator
from Alabama raised a number of questions. He can't understand why a
judge would do that. And it is a little different milieu. Let us hear
what she has to say. When we have all the facts, I consider myself, as
I said earlier, a juror. I have taken an oath as a U.S. Senator and as
a juror. I am prepared to hear both sides and to make a judgment. I
think the hearings will be held in the light of day. There will be full
disclosure. There is ample opportunity for public scrutiny, as there
should be, and we will make the determination on the facts and on the
merits as to whether this nominee should or should not be confirmed.
I thank the Chair.
I yield the floor.
Mr. SANTORUM addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Pennsylvania.
Mr. SANTORUM. Mr. President, I want to associate myself with the
remarks of my colleague from Pennsylvania. I too feel that we here in
the Senate, when it comes to justice, really should be jurors, and that
we should get all the information. The information shared, I think, as
correctly stated by my colleague from Pennsylvania and by the Senator
from Alabama, was well presented. But that is information that we
received from the District Attorneys Association opposed to her
nomination, without any rebuttal or explanation from Judge Massiah-
Jackson. I will admit that some of those cases I find it hard to find
out what a good explanation would be. But that is not for me to
prejudge, nor as a juror should you prejudge those things.
So I am willing to listen. I think she needs to be given an
opportunity.
The leader has not been on the floor since we brought up this
nomination. I am not too sure that we are going to get a resolution
today as to how to proceed with her nomination. But I am hopeful that
either this evening or sometime tomorrow we will be able to come up
with a plan on how we are going to proceed with her nomination and have
her nomination received in a fair fashion.
Again, I respect her. I think Senator Hatch and Senator Leahy
mentioned that a hearing by the Judiciary Committee would accord the
judge an opportunity to face this new information and respond to it,
and give the police and the prosecutorial community an opportunity to
present such evidence and such testimony to the committee that they
believe is important for us to consider.
So I hope that a full committee hearing goes through, if necessary. I
am not on the committee. So I can charge them with whatever I please
because I don't have to sit through it; but at least take a number of
these cases as a representative sampling of these cases and go through
them one by one and make a determination as to the justification that
Judge Massiah-Jackson had in making these decisions.
So I am hopeful that that is the next order of business, that somehow
or other we can come to some accommodation with the leader, who I know
wants to vote on this nominee as quickly as possible in response to the
President's urgings of up-or-down votes on his judges. I know that many
here, as you heard, would like to vote on this judge today. We are not
going to vote on this judge today. Senator Specter and I don't want to
vote on this judge today, and I believe there are many Members on the
other side of the aisle who don't want to vote on this judge today. But
we would like the judge to be given a chance and then to have a vote.
Let's let the string run out, if you will, give her an opportunity to
respond, have a vote somewhat promptly thereafter, and then let the
Senate act as the jury, which we know it is very good at doing.
Mr. President, with that I will yield the floor and suggest the
absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Smith of Oregon). The clerk will call the
roll.
The bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order
for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. KENNEDY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to proceed as in
morning business.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
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