[Congressional Record Volume 143, Number 75 (Wednesday, June 4, 1997)]
[House]
[Pages H3281-H3291]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 1757, FOREIGN RELATIONS
AUTHORIZATION ACT, FISCAL YEARS 1998 AND 1999, AND H.R. 1758, EUROPEAN
SECURITY ACT OF 1997
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules,
I call up House Resolution 159 and ask for its immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:
H. Res. 159
Resolved, That at any time after the adoption of this
resolution the Speaker may, pursuant to clause 1(b) of rule
XXIII, declare the House resolved into the Committee of the
Whole House on the state of the Union for consideration of
the bill (H.R. 1757) to consolidate international affairs
agencies, to authorize appropriations for the Department of
State and related agencies for fiscal years 1998 and 1999,
and for other purposes. The first reading of the bill shall
be dispensed with. General debate shall be confirmed to the
bill and shall not exceed one hour equally divided and
controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the
Committee on International Relations. After the general
debate the bill shall be considered for amendment under the
five-minute rule. The bill shall be considered by title
rather than by section. Each title of the bill shall be
considered as read. The Chairman of the Committee of the
Whole may: (1) postpone until a time during further
consideration in the Committee of the Whole a request for a
recorded vote on any amendment; and (2) reduce to five
minutes the minimum time for electronic voting on any
postponed question that follows another electronic vote
without intervening business, provided that the minimum time
for electronic voting on the first in any series of questions
shall be fifteen minutes. At the conclusion of consideration
of the bill for amendment the Committee shall rise and report
the bill to the House with such amendments as may have been
adopted. The previous question shall be considered on the
bill and amendments thereto of final passage without
intervening motion except one motion to recommit with or
without instructions.
Sec. 2. After disposition of H.R. 1757 it shall be in order
to consider in the House the bill (H.R. 1758) to ensure that
the enlargement of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization
(NATO) proceeds in a manner consistent with the United States
interests, to strengthen relations between the United States
and Russia, to preserve the prerogatives of the Congress with
respect to certain arms control agreements, and for other
purposes. The bill shall be debatable for one hour equally
divided and controlled by the Chairman and ranking minority
member of the Committee on International Relations. The
previous question shall be considered as ordered on the bill
to final passage without intervening motion except one motion
to recommit.
Sec. 3. (a) In the engrossment of H.R. 1757, the Clerk
shall--
(1) await the disposition of H.R. 1758 pursuant to section
2 of this resolution;
(2) add the text of H.R. 1758, as passed by the House, as
new matter at the end of H.R. 1757;
(3) conform the title of H.R. 1757 to reflect the addition
of the text of H.R. 1758 to the engrossment;
(4) assign appropriate designations to titles within the
engrossment; and
(5) conform provisions for short titles within the
engrossment.
(b) Upon the addition of the text of H.R. 1758 to the
engrossment of H.R. 1757, H.R. 1758 shall be laid on the
table.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hobson). The gentleman from Florida [Mr.
Diaz-Balart] is recognized for 1 hour.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, for the purposes of debate only, I
yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Hall],
pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During
consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purpose
of debate only.
Mr. Speaker, H.R. 159 provides for the consideration of two bills
dealing with foreign policy reform. The first bill, H.R. 1757, the
Foreign Relations Authorization Act, fiscal years 1998 and 1999, is to
be considered under an open rule providing for 1 hour of general
debate, equally divided and controlled between the chairman and ranking
member of the Committee on International Relations.
The rule further provides for consideration of the bill for amendment
under the 5-minute rule, considering the bill by title rather than by
section, and each title shall be considered as read. Also, under this
open rule, in
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which any Member will be free to offer germane amendments, the chairman
of the Committee of the Whole is allowed to postpone votes during
consideration of the bill and to reduce votes to 5 minutes on a
postponed question if the vote follows a 15-minute vote.
In addition, this portion of the rule provides for one motion to
recommit H.R. 1757, with or without instructions. The rule also
provides, in section 2, Mr. Speaker, for consideration by the House of
a second bill, H.R. 1758, the European Security Act of 1997, under a
closed rule providing for 1 hour of debate, equally divided and
controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee
on International Relations. Further, the rule provides for one motion
to recommit H.R. 1758.
Finally, section 3 of the rule provides that in the engrossment of
H.R. 1757, the Clerk shall await the disposition of H.R. 1758, pursuant
to section 2 of the rule; the Clerk shall add the text of H.R. 1758, as
passed by the House, as a new matter at the end of H.R. 1757; and make
conforming and designation changes to the titles within engrossment.
Lastly, the rule provides that upon the addition of the text of H.R.
1758 to the engrossment of H.R. 1757, H.R. 1758 shall be laid on the
table.
I would like to note that this rule is the best compromise available
for dealing with the myriad of issues that are before us in foreign
policy reform legislation in an orderly fashion. Our committee heard
testimony from over two dozen Members on a variety of subjects, with a
wide range of views, and their testimony was not in vain.
The State Department portion of H.R. 1486 is essentially H.R. 1757,
the first bill provided for in this rule. The rule will enable any
Member wishing to amend the reauthorization of the State Department the
ability to do so under an open rule amending process. H.R. 1758 is
essentially the amendment filed with the Committee on Rules back on May
13, when the committee announced that Members should submit amendments
for a possible structured rule. Chairman Gilman filed this language,
which was amendment No. 85, which concerns NATO expansion, a critically
important piece of legislation. Just as in the amendment filed by
Chairman Gilman, the bill is entitled the ``European Security Act of
1997.''
As for the portions of H.R. 1486 dealing with the remaining foreign
policy issues, for which we also heard testimony on Tuesday, the
Committee on Rules will meet in the near future to mark up and grant a
rule to consider those important matters.
This rule, Mr. Speaker, is not without precedent. In the 103d
Congress, the Committee on Rules split the issue and considered a State
Department bill and a foreign aid bill, given the complex nature of the
issues and the difficulty in passing these proposals. This was done
under Chairman Hamilton, and both bills were considered under a
structured rule.
I look forward to a vigorous debate on these bills and fully support
the rule that makes them both possible. The State Department
authorization bill, Mr. Speaker, contains very important reforms. It
includes reporting requirements for title 4 under the Cuban Liberty and
Democratic Solidarity Act. It makes sure that enforcement is actually
carried out on that very important piece of legislation. It also has
provisions to make extraordinarily difficult assistance for completion
by the Cuban dictator of the nuclear powerplants that he is trying to
complete in obvious contravention in the national security interests of
the United States.
Obviously, the European Security Act of 1997 is also extraordinarily
important, and I think that it is very, very appropriate that Congress
is moving forward at this point on that very, very important and
delicate piece of legislation. I would urge adoption of H.R. 159.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
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Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
(Mr. HALL of Ohio asked and was given permission to revise and extend
his remarks.)
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentleman from
Florida [Mr. Diaz-Balart] for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, a funny thing happened in the Committee on Rules last
night. For 3\1/2\ hours we took testimony on H.R. 1486, the Foreign
Policy Reform Act. This reauthorized the State Department and related
agencies. It also reauthorized foreign aid programs.
We heard from 29 witnesses which sparked serious discussion among the
committee members. After all, the committee had announced that only a
limited number of amendments would be made in order, and Members came
ready to argue and debate their case.
But at 8:30 last night, at the conclusion of the hearing, H.R. 1486,
the Foreign Policy Reform Act, disappeared. Instead, plopped on our
desk was H.R. 1757, which is the Foreign Relations Authorization Act,
which is a 185-page bill fresh from the printer, never before seen by
anyone in the room. This, we were told, reauthorized the State
Department and related agencies and might have included language
similar to the original bill.
We also received fresh copies of H.R. 1758, which is the European
Security Act of 1997, which contained the text of one of the previously
submitted amendments to the Foreign Policy Reform Act, and the
Committee on Rules had heard perhaps several seconds, maybe a minute or
two of testimony on that amendment earlier in the day. But this also
was a 16-page bill.
The Committee on Rules proceeded to vote on a rule making the two new
bills in order.
I offered an amendment so that the House could bring up H.R. 1486,
the Foreign Policy Reform Act, under an open rule. This is the bill we
heard for 3\1/2\ hours. This is the bill that 29 witnesses testified
on. This was the bill that we all expected to come to the floor today.
But on a straight party line record vote, the Republican majority
defeated this amendment. Instead, they rammed through this bizarre
process allowing a mystery bill and one amendment to move forward as
two separate bills, one of them under a closed rule.
The vote on the rule was also approved on a party line record vote
with the Democrats opposed. The foreign aid section of the original
bill was gone, vanished. Maybe it was put on a shelf someplace or left
in a desk. Most of the witnesses during the hearing had testified on
the foreign aid section of the bill, and most of the 120 amendments
submitted to the Committee on Rules amended that section.
I am not saying that the members of the Committee on Rules wasted our
time taking testimony yesterday on a bill that had already been thrown
out, nor am I saying that the 29 Members who testified wasted their
time at a sham hearing. It is possible that a foreign aid authorization
bill will at some point in this session come forward out of limbo and
appear before the House. Then we will have not wasted our time. But I
would not say that we should hold our breath.
Is it not ironic that this bill in which we authorize agencies that
promote democracy is handled in such an undemocratic manner? This kind
of procedure is unfair to the members of the Committee on Rules, it is
unfair to the Members who testified, it is unfair to all House Members
who are confronted with a new bill and have only hours to read it and
prepare new amendments. Furthermore, it undermines the credibility of
the Committee on Rules and the committee system.
If the Committee on Rules is going to report out bills that we have
never seen, we do not need a Committee on Rules. Perhaps instead we
should appoint a search committee to find what happened to the Foreign
Policy Reform Act, and maybe some of the House Members who testified
yesterday would like to serve on such a committee.
Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether H.R. 1757 is a good bill or not.
It is pretty hard to absorb a 185-page bill overnight. But I do know
that the process is not good. I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on
the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, this vote, the vote on whether to order the previous
question on a special rule, is not merely a procedural vote.
A vote against ordering the previous question is a vote against the
Republican majority agenda and a vote to allow the opposition, at least
for the moment, to offer an alternative plan.
It is a vote about what the House should be debating. The vote on the
previous question on a rule does have substantive policy implications.
It is one of the only available tools for
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those who oppose the Republican majority's agenda to offer an
alternative plan.
I include the following material in the Record at this point:
The Vote on the Previous Question: What it Really Means
This vote, the vote on whether to order the previous
question on a special rule, is not merely a procedural vote.
A vote against ordering the previous question is a vote
against the Republican majority agenda and a vote to allow
the opposition, at least for the moment, to offer an
alternative plan. It is a vote about what the House should be
debating.
Mr. Clarence Cannon's Precedents of the House of
Representatives, (VI, 308-311) describes the vote on the
previous question on the rule as ``a motion to direct or
control the consideration of the subject before the House
being made by the Member in charge.'' To defeat the previous
question is to give the opposition a chance to decide the
subject before the House. Cannon cites the Speaker's ruling
of January 13, 1920, to the effect that ``the refusal of the
House to sustain the demand for the previous question passes
the control of the resolution to the opposition'' in order to
offer an amendment. On March 15, 1909, a member of the
majority party offered a rule resolution. The House defeated
the previous question and a member of the opposition rose to
a parliamentary inquiry, asking who was entitled to
recognition. Speaker Joseph G. Cannon (R-Illinois) said:
``The previous question having been refused, the gentleman
from New York, Mr. Fitzgerald, who had asked the gentleman to
yield to him for an amendment, is entitled to the first
recognition.''
Because the vote today may look bad for the Republican
majority they will say ``the vote on the previous question is
simply a vote on whether to proceed to an immediate vote on
adopting the resolution . . . [and] has no substantive
legislative or policy implications whatsoever.'' But that is
not what they have always said. Listen to the Republican
Leadership Manual on the Legislative Process in the United
States House of Representatives, (6th edition, page 135).
Here's how the Republicans describe the previous question
vote in their own manual:
Although it is generally not possible to amend the rule
because the majority Member controlling the time will not
yield for the purpose of offering an amendment, the same
result may be achieved by voting down the previous question
on the rule . . . When the motion for the previous question
is defeated, control of the time passes to the Member who led
the opposition to ordering the previous question. That
Member, because he then controls the time, may offer an
amendment to the rule, or yield for the purpose of
amendment.''
Deschler's Procedure in the U.S. House of Representatives,
the subchapter titled ``Amending Special Rules'' states: ``a
refusal to order the previous question on such a rule [a
special rule reported from the Committee on Rules] opens the
resolution to amendment and further debate.'' (Chapter 21,
section 21.2) Section 21.3 continues:
Upon rejection of the motion for the previous question on a
resolution reported from the Committee on Rules, control
shifts to the Member leading the opposition to the previous
question, who may offer a proper amendment or motion and who
controls the time for debate thereon.''
The vote on the previous question on a rule does have
substantive policy implications. It is one of the only
available tools for those who oppose the Republican
majority's agenda to offer an alternative plan.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to
the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon], the chairman of the
Committee on Rules.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman yielding me this
time.
Mr. Speaker, I am surprised to hear and I am sorry to hear my good
friend, the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Hall], a member of the Committee
on Rules, characterize this procedure as undemocratic. I want to just
remind the gentleman of a pledge that I made on this floor on opening
day 3 years ago, and that was that this Committee on Rules would be at
least as fair and try to be more fair to the Democrats than we
Republicans were treated when they were in the majority. We have tried
to live up to that.
This procedure here today is almost an identical procedure that was
used during the last years of the Democratic majority on this floor.
Let me explain what has happened here. We had before us a combination
bill, the State Department Authorization and Reorganization Act coupled
with the foreign aid bill. That is the bill that came before the
Committee on Rules.
It was obvious from the fact that 120 amendments were filed with the
committee, 105 of them in opposition to the position taken on the
foreign aid bill, and only 15 to the other section, the State
Department bill, that this measure would never pass the House and would
go down to defeat, and we would never have an opportunity to even
discuss the State Department authorization portion of the bill or the
European Security Act, which is a terribly, terribly important piece of
legislation that we must give to the President of the United States in
order to give him the strength to deal with our other NATO allies in
opening the door to NATO expansion.
Therefore, it was the wisdom of the Committee on Rules that we would
strip out the foreign aid bill, leaving it there for a future action by
the Committee on Rules. In the meantime, all of the witnesses have
appeared, they have testified on behalf of their amendments. They do
not have to do this over again. When we are ready to put the foreign
aid bill on the floor, all of those amendments will be considered in
consultation with the Democrats and will appear on the floor of this
House.
In the meantime, we now have an open rule on this floor right now so
that any Member offering amendments and testifying yesterday will be
able to offer those amendments today, including other amendments that
they did not even file with the Committee on Rules. That is much more
fair than what happened in 1993.
There is another portion to the rule which brings a bill to the floor
that was an amendment to the measure pending before the Committee on
Rules, and that was an amendment by the gentleman from New York [Mr.
Gilman], which was the European Security Act.
In order to make sure that this is going to be a part of the bill
that is sent to the Senate where we have opposition by, and I am not
supposed to mention Members of the other body, but Senator Kennedy, who
absolutely opposes any kind of NATO expansion, the only way we can
guarantee that we will give the President the opportunity to receive
this European Security Act is to attach it to this bill. That is what
we are going to do. We are going to have an up-or-down vote on the
European Security Act.
Let me just briefly tell my colleagues what that is. Two years ago,
this body by an overwhelming vote passed the NATO Participation Act
which named four countries, they were Slovenia, Hungary, Poland, and
the Czech Republic, to be able to receive some help in order for them
to upgrade their military from out of the Russian influence and into
the NATO influence, to communicate and interoperate, and this bill was
passed overwhelmingly by this body.
This year, after consultation with President Clinton, I spoke to him
for almost an hour on this before he went to Helsinki and before we
went into the former Soviet republics, we agreed that the door would
remain open to all of these former Soviet bloc countries who had made
irreversible progress toward democracy, who had moved toward a free
market economy with the privatization and capitalization of their
industries, who supported human rights and the rule of law, and then
were able to militarily participate. In order to keep that door open,
that is why we have this bill on the floor today.
It expands those four countries to four more countries. They are
Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Romania, all of which have made great
progress and deserve to have the opportunity to join NATO. This bill
will give them some additional funds in order to help them, again,
communicate and interoperate with the NATO forces, and that is why we
are here today.
It is totally fair. It is an open rule on every single amendment that
wants to be offered germane to the State Department authorization bill,
and an up-or-down vote on this important issue.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume, just in reaction to the chairman. We had 29 witnesses. We
stayed here until, I do not know how late last night, maybe 8:30, a
quarter to 9. There were 120 amendments offered. It was almost like
pretty much a waste of time, because that bill for the most part, as
the gentleman knows, is pretty much dead. That bill has about as much
chance of passing, that foreign aid section of the bill, than a man in
the Moon. I think everybody knows that. I think if I were the chairman
of the Committee on International Relations and to have a bill that I
had worked so
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long on, so hard on, to have it be tangled up and confused and messed
up and separated like this, I would be amazed. I would be jumping up
and down.
The other section of the bill that the gentleman just talked about
was 17 pages long. That was an amendment that was one amendment of the
gentleman from New York [Mr. Gilman]. He had 20 amendments that he
offered to his own bill yesterday in the Committee on Rules and he
probably spoke less than a minute on that particular amendment. That
amendment came back in the form of a bill, of which the gentleman now
closes down, of which we are seeing for the first time. We have never
seen it before. As a matter of fact, I do not even know that this whole
bill put together is available. I have a copy, but I am on the
Committee on Rules. I do not think it is available for Members to be
able to actually logically amend it in a way in which we understand
because this bill was put together last night. It is very difficult to
be in the amending process on this particular bill now. If the
gentleman talks to the parliamentarian, he will find that out.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to
the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon], the chairman of the
Committee on Rules.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, very briefly, that amendment, the European
Security Act, has been pending before the Committee on Rules and before
every Member of this Congress since May 13, that is almost 20 days, for
any Member to have read that amendment and to know exactly what it is.
If the amendment were coming on the floor as a part of this bill, it
would be limited as an amendment unamendable, and that is exactly what
we are doing now.
I just think the gentleman protests too much. I believe he is going
to vote for the European Security Act. It is a good bill, and this body
will pass it overwhelmingly.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
This bill has never had a hearing. It never had a hearing in the
Committee on International Relations. It never had a hearing in the
Committee on Rules.
Mr. SOLOMON. Neither have any of the other amendments that will be
offered here today.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. But it is a closed bill, the gentleman closed it,
and all the other kinds of amendments and everything that was done
yesterday was completely wiped out. We will probably never see that
bill again.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from
New York [Mr. Gilman], the distinguished chairman of the Committee on
International Relations.
(Mr. GILMAN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. GILMAN. I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise in strong support of the rule on
H.R. 1757, the Foreign Relations Authorization Act. This bill is in
essence Division B of H.R. 1486, the Foreign Policy Reform Act, that
was before all of us as part of the overall Foreign Policy Reform Act.
It is nothing new in this measure. It has just been divided now. It has
been reported out of our Committee on International Relations on May 6,
1997, after a wide-open consideration process that extended over 3 days
in which all of our members, both the majority and minority, took a
very active part in debate. Division B of the bill was the subject of
open consideration in the Subcommittee on International Operations and
Human Rights, chaired by the gentleman from New Jersey [Mr. Smith].
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We have added a provision dealing with the State Department
reorganization. Regrettably it has become necessary to divide the
consideration of our reported bill into two bills. We had merely
divided the original bill into two measures in order to expedite
passage of this, and we are committed to bringing the foreign aid
provision before this body within the next week or two.
The rule also makes in order consideration of the European Security
Act, H.R. 1758.
My colleagues should be reminded that this is the 50th anniversary of
the Marshall plan in which, under the leadership of Senator Arthur
Vandenberg, the U.S. Congress made certain that we would not lose our
focus on the outside world after the end of World War II. At the end of
the cold war, we should follow the example of Senator Vandenberg and
not take the isolationist impulse that seemed to take hold of our body
politic after the end of World War I.
Our Speaker has noted that we are the only nation that can lead the
world. Our President calls us the indispensable Nation. These are two
ways of saying the same thing. We must take our place in the world in a
constitutional democracy that requires law and resources. The House of
Representatives must make the tough decisions required to provide both
in the interests of our Nation.
Let me note that this bill, including the reorganization provisions
that we plan to add, has been endorsed by former Secretaries of State
Eagleburger, Secretary Baker, Secretary Shultz, Secretary Haig, and
Secretary Kissinger, as well as former National Security Adviser
General Scowcroft and Gen. Colin Powell.
This bill was developed in close consultation with the administration
and with the minority. It makes, or by the time the amending process
concludes, will make several important reforms in our Nation's foreign
policy. One of those key reforms includes carrying into effect the
administration's announcement that it wants to merge two foreign
affairs agencies into the State Department, which we are proposing by
an amendment.
We have several items in the bill designed to pressure the Castro
regime by helping to enforce the Libertad or Helms-Burton Act.
We also have a provision to begin the process of tightening up on
abuses of diplomatic immunity, offered by our colleague, the gentleman
from California [Mr. Dreier]. Because of this provision, H.R. 1486 has
even been endorsed by Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
We agreed to accommodate the administration's total funding request,
although we added funds in some areas and did not provide full funding
in others.
Mr. Speaker, I am requesting our colleagues to help us manage this
open rule process by conferring with our staff about any amendments
that anyone may wish to offer.
I will be offering an amendment to the bill to accommodate certain
concerns of the Committee on Ways and Means. We did not make this
change in the introduced bill because we wanted the introduced bill to
mirror as fully as possible the bill that has been reported out by the
committee.
Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the efforts of the gentleman from Florida
[Mr. Diaz-Balart] who is managing this rule and the efforts of the
gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon], our distinguished chairman of
the Committee on Rules. Accordingly, I urge my colleagues to support
the rule and these bills, H.R. 1757 and H.R. 1758, so that we may make
a major impact in reforming our State Department.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman
from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey].
Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, it is hard for me to tell today whether I am
participating in a session of the House of Representatives or a
national seance. I mean this bill is going absolutely nowhere. It
reminds me of the fellow who was so unlucky that he ran into accidents
that started out to happen to somebody else. We do not even have a bill
here.
The committee produced a bill; the Committee on Rules then ripped out
the guts of it, which is the foreign aid authorization. It contains the
unilateral partisan description of the administration's agreement on
State Department reorganization, and then it also contains what I
regard as an historically arrogant action on the part of the Congress
and the West in expanding NATO the way it is expanding.
This bill is going absolutely nowhere, and so I am going to ask
Members to vote against the previous question on the rule in hopes that
if that previous
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question goes down, we will be able to add a third bill for
consideration by the House. That bill would be simply to see to it that
we can take up the contents of the conference report which has been
agreed to so far relating to the emergency supplemental items now
before the Congress, stripping that conference product of the three
extraneous partisan riders which are going to assure that that
conference report will go to the same place that this bill is going to
go: nowhere.
It just seems to me that since that conference report with those
riders is going nowhere and the bill that this rule seeks to bring to
the House is going to go nowhere, we ought to at least try to bring
some degree of reality to the House floor. And I would seek to do that
by simply bringing to the floor the contents of H.R. 1755 which would
take all of the items that have been agreed to in conference on the
emergency supplemental, minus those controversial partisan riders, and
give the House an opportunity to pass that. At least then we would be
doing something real for the sections of the country who need immediate
relief because of the flooding which they have experienced.
Mr. Speaker, I would point out that that is truly an emergency.
Bringing this bill before us today represents absolutely no response
whatsoever, no meaningful response to any serious problem. If we bring
this rule down or bring the previous question down so that we can amend
the rule, then at least we would be bringing something to the floor
which would have some meaning for somebody. That might be a very rare
occurrence, given what the legislative schedule is this week, but at
least we could produce one piece of legislation which did something
real for somebody somewhere, rather than this proposal which does
nothing real for anyone anywhere.
I would urge that when the previous question vote comes that my
colleagues vote against the previous question so that we can take into
account the fact that we do have emergencies that need responding to,
we do have emergency needs for accelerated crop planting, we do have
emergency needs for livestock rehabilitation, we do have emergency
needs for people to be able to plan with respect to housing funds to
fix some of the damage done by these floods. It seems to me if the
House is intending to bring two relatively unrelated bills to the
floor, as they are planning today under this rule, we might as well add
a third, because at least that third will do something for somebody.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I would inquire as to the balance of
time remaining.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Goodlatte). The gentleman from Florida
[Mr. Diaz-Balart] has 15 minutes remaining, and the gentleman from Ohio
[Mr. Hall] has 18\1/2\ minutes remaining.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Mr. Speaker, there is this slight imbalance in time, but I just point
out the curiosity that our friends on the other side of the aisle now
want to bring up, talking about something unrelated, the supplemental
bill, but under a closed rule, at the same time that they are
criticizing the fact that one of the measures we bring up under this
rule is not open while the other one is.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time because of the
imbalance at this time.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 6 minutes to the gentleman
from Massachusetts [Mr. Moakley].
Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I am very proud to be a member of the
Committee on Rules. The Committee on Rules really is one of the few
committees where we disagree without really being disagreeable. My good
friend, the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon] and I have worked
together. We are personally friendly. We can disagree very much on the
issues, and this is one of those times.
But, Mr. Speaker, what happened in the Committee on Rules last night
makes me wonder if our Republican colleagues are really interested in
bipartisanship, because last night, Mr. Speaker, the Committee on Rules
took a perfectly good bipartisan foreign authorization bill and threw
it in the trash can, and in its place they gave us a closed rule for
NATO expansion and an open rule for State Department authorization. So
what once was a bill that had both Republican and Democratic support,
not to mention the support of our President, has been chopped up and
changed so that it no longer resembles the bill which we began last
night.
Mr. Speaker, foreign aid is out, NATO expansion is closed, and hardly
anything will be germane to the State Department authorization.
But the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon], the chairman, says
nothing is really changed.
Now that reminds me of the story of the tourist who went up to Mount
Vernon and was looking around when a tour guide came up to him and
showed him an ax and said, ``This is the ax that George Washington used
to chop down the cherry tree.''
The tourist very excitedly, so close to history said, ``Really, is
this the real ax that chopped down the cherry tree?''
Tour guide said, ``Absolutely.'' He said, ``Well, we replaced the
handle three, and the head two times, but this is the original ax.''
Mr. Speaker, that was not the same ax, and this is not the same bill.
It is not even close.
So if my colleagues think the process on this bill is bad, what is
happening on the supplemental budget is worse.
Seventy-four days ago President Clinton sent disaster relief
legislation to this Congress. But despite the passage of over 2 months'
time and despite the vote 2 weeks ago not to adjourn until the flood
victims got their relief, despite the Red River's rising 25 feet above
flood stage, despite the fires, despite the devastation, despite the
loss of homes, the loss of businesses and irreplaceable personal
property, my Republican colleagues refuse to do anything about it.
My Republican colleagues sent the House of Representatives on
Memorial Day vacation while the people in North Dakota are still
ringing out their clothes, struggling with these incredible losses. And
it is not just North Dakota that will suffer. Mr. Speaker, the
supplemental contains disaster relief for people in 33 other States.
So what are my Republican colleagues giving us today? Today, we are
looking at a rewritten State Department bill. It is one week after the
recess. Mr. Speaker, where is the supplemental? The flood victims are
not the only people affected by the failure to pass the supplemental.
Mr. Speaker, 360,000 small children and pregnant women will be cut from
the WIC Program unless we pass emergency funds to keep that program
going. And as we speak, our troops in Bosnia are running out of
training money. In fact, they may have to cancel training altogether.
Now I know my colleague from New York, Mr. Solomon, agrees with me
very strongly that our troops need to be ready, especially in the
field, so I invite him to get some of his colleagues and vote with us
to oppose the previous question, and, Mr. Speaker, any Member who
believes that the North Dakotans have suffered enough, any Member who
believes the American troops in the field should be as ready as they
possibly can, any Member who believes that politics is a lot less
important than food for pregnant women, small children, should join me
in opposing the previous question. If the previous question is
defeated, my Republican colleagues will have to stop playing games with
peoples' lives and livelihood and the welfare of the American troops.
Mr. Speaker, early on the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon] said
the Democrats did the exact same thing back in 1993. Not so. And I am
reading from the statements of the House of Representatives, June 15,
1993. The gentleman from California [Mr. Dreier] who handled the bill
is speaking.
Mr. Speaker, I want to commend Chairman Moakley of the
Rules Committee as well as Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman
Charles Lee Hamilton and the ranking minority, Mr. Gilman,
for agreeing to this unusual procedure. I want to especially
commend the gentlewoman from Maine, Mrs. Snowe, the ranking
minority member on the Subcommittee on International
Operations for insisting on the separate consideration for
these two measures.
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So Senator Snowe is the one that insisted on this. This was not from
the
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Democrats. We were conceding. We were accommodating the Republican
Members on this thing.
Also, following the statements of the gentleman from California [Mr.
Dreier], he is saying that he wants to ``especially commend the
chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, the gentleman from
Indiana [Mr. Hamilton], for taking the lead and insisting that we forge
a fair and bipartisan structured rule. This is the second time this
year this has been done by Chairman Hamilton, and it speaks volumes
about the character of the man.''
``This rule was negotiated on a good-faith,'' still quoting the
gentleman from California [Mr. Dreier], ``basis between the majority
and the minority in the Foreign Affairs Committee.''
``Mr. Speaker, I am especially pleased that the rule adopted
yesterday, as well as this rule, makes it possible to consider the
State Department and the foreign aid issues as two separate bills, even
though they were originally reported from the Committee on Foreign
Affairs as one bill. This is something our Republican leader felt very
strongly about, as did I, and so did the gentlewoman from Maine [Ms.
Snowe].''
``So again, I want to thank Chairman Hamilton and I want to thank
Chairman Moakley and the other Members on the Committee on Rules for
agreeing to this request.''
Now, a statement of Mr. Solomon. I now am quoting the gentleman from
New York [Mr. Solomon], chairman of the Committee on Rules, my dear
friend:
``I think it is evident from the provisions of this rule and the
process that produced it, that this is a very fair and bipartisan rule,
something that is a rarity when it comes to most restrictive rules in
the House. I hope that other committees would follow this rule.''
So, Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to show that it is not the same bill
as in 1993. In 1993 we acquiesced. We did what they wanted us to do.
This was done because Bob Michel wanted it, because Olympia Snowe
wanted it.
Today, we do not want this thing. This should never have happened.
This is not democratic. I hope that my colleagues vote to defeat the
previous question.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume to say that it is truly disappointing that our friends on the
other side of the aisle would put into question our commitment to the
supplemental appropriations bill and the needs of the victims, when we
are working as intensely as possible and will produce legislation as
soon as possible.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from California [Mr.
Dreier], my distinguished colleague on the Committee on Rules.
Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend from California for his
leadership and being so generous since I regularly say nice things
about both Republicans and Democrats, and obviously I was very kind
when I had the thrill to manage that rule, as the gentleman from
Massachusetts [Mr. Moakley] has pointed out.
Unfortunately, my dear friend from South Boston did not read further
to find that there was in fact a second rule which in fact was very
structured, limited the opportunity to provide amendments, and
virtually everyone on this side of the aisle opposed that amendment. So
I am very generous when they are open rules and when we have a very
agreeable procedure, but when we were not treated fairly, obviously, it
was not the same situation as we have today.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman
from Michigan [Mr. Bonior], the minority whip.
Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Speaker, when the worst floods in 500 years swept
through the Northern Plains 2 months ago, thousands of families stood
their ground. They filled their sandbags around the clock, they did it
in a brave, furious and ultimately a futile attempt to save their homes
and their schools and their farms and their businesses.
This was a natural disaster of historic proportions. Neighborhoods
were evacuated, city blocks went up in flames, entire towns were under
water, people were forced to flee to higher ground, and they called out
for help, to their neighbors, to their friends, to their Government.
And how has Congress answered them? It has done nothing. That was
nearly 2 weeks ago, and they still are playing games. Why? Because the
Republican leadership wants to saddle any disaster relief legislation
with provisions completely unrelated to helping the victims of
disaster, provisions that further their own political agenda,
provisions, by the way, which would slash student aid, would deny
veterans medical care, would devastate our national parks.
Now, the President has said he will veto any disaster relief bill
that includes these extraneous killer provisions, and he is right.
Congress should send him a clean bill that deals with disaster relief
for the families in the 33 States that are running out of time and
running out of patience and running out of hope.
What kind of leadership is it when politicians put their own personal
agendas before the needs of flood victims? Have they forgotten that
emergencies demand a rapid response, that emergencies require us to set
aside our partisan differences? Now what if the Founding Fathers had
sent Paul Revere on his midnight run but asked him to drag along an
iron bathtub, pick up a kitchen sink on his way to Lexington?
Saddling this disaster relief bill with major extraneous bells and
whistles turns it into a legislative pack horse that will not make it
out of the starting gate.
Why cannot the Republican leadership send the President a clean
disaster relief bill that deals with that, disaster relief? It is time
for the Republicans to quit holding flood victims hostage.
I urge my colleagues to defeat the previous question. This vote will
be on whether or not we want to help those people who are suffering.
Make no mistake about it, the previous question vote is the important
vote on this provision. I urge my colleagues to defeat the previous
question and send a clean disaster relief bill to the President today.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to my distinguished
colleague and friend from Florida [Ms. Ros-Lehtinen] to continue the
debate on the Foreign Relations Authorization Act and the European
Security Act rule.
Ms. ROS-LEHTINEN. Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Florida,
[Mr. Diaz-Balart], for yielding, and I thank the chairman of the
Committee on Rules, the gentleman from New York, [Mr. Solomon], for
giving me the time as well.
I rise to render my strong support for the rule of the bill before
us, and I thank my colleague from Florida for once again making sure
that everyone understands what it is that it is in front of us. The
bill that is in front of us is related to the foreign relations
authorization bill, State Department, as well as the NATO expansion
bill. We are fully committed to making sure that we pass the
supplemental, the disaster relief funds, and that will come very soon,
as soon as that legislation is ready.
I thank my colleague for yielding me this time, because these bills
before us today are certainly very important. They encompass a wide
variety of legislative initiatives to increase the effectiveness of
U.S. foreign policy. Under the leadership of our chairman, the
gentleman from New York [Mr. Gilman], we made sure that we safeguarded
U.S. national security priorities, that we cracked down on the Castro
dictatorship, and that we protected the interests of American citizens.
One provision of this bill which accomplishes all of these objectives
is a measure I introduced which sets reporting requirements on the
implementation of title IV of the Helms-Burton law, the Libertad Act.
This provision helps ensure that Helms-Burton will be actively enforced
as Congress always intended by requiring regular official notification
on the denial of visas to persons doing business with Castro, using
property illegally stolen from U.S. American citizens. It ensures that
those who act in total disregard for the security and foreign policy
concerns of our country by engaging with a terrorist regime near our
borders are held accountable for their actions, and it reaffirms the
spirit and the rule of law of the Libertad Act.
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It sends a clear message to those countries which place a greater
value on profits from business with the Castro regime than on helping
to free the Cuban people from their oppression and subjugation. The
message is clear: It says foreign companies can continue to exploit
U.S. property in Cuba, that is certainly their right. However, in doing
so, they must pay a price, and that price is that they can risk their
access to our U.S. markets. We cannot sit back and allow for the
continued violation of U.S. property rights of U.S. citizens without
taking action.
We must obey the law and Helms-Burton is the law. The administration
must understand that Congress means business, that when we pass laws
and when the President signs them, that we expect those laws to be
implemented, fully implemented to their full extent. We must not
jeopardize concrete tools for vague assurances from our trading
partners. We must stand firm. No compromises should be allowed when
American interests are at stake.
I urge all of my colleagues to support this bill and the rule related
to it.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman
from Indiana [Mr. Hamilton], the ranking minority member on the
Committee on International Relations.
Mr. HAMILTON. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this
time.
Mr. Speaker, I strongly oppose this rule for one very simple reason:
This is not the bill that was reported by the Committee on
International Relations on May 9. We are considering today a bill not
drafted by our committee, but it was a bill put together by the
Committee on Rules.
In my view, this rule is offensive to the Committee on International
Relations. It disregards totally the committee's work product. It is an
extraordinary exercise of power, if not an usurpation of power by the
Committee on Rules. It offends the orderly process of the House. It
makes the authorization committee in this instance virtually irrelevant
to the legislative process.
We all know that the Committee on Rules has a tough job, and if it
does its job well, and it often does, the House works its will in a
fair and democratic manner. What the Committee on Rules ought not to do
is rewrite the bill. It ought not to ignore the committee product. It
ought not to put on the floor of this House a bill never considered by
the committee, yet that is exactly what has happened in this instance.
It has taken a bill reported out by the committee, stripped out the
most important division authorizing foreign assistance. It has taken an
80-page reorganization amendment, which was filed before the Committee
on Rules but never considered by the Committee on International
Relations, and made it a part of the text of this bill.
As part of the rule, it has made in order the European Security Act,
a bill that was never considered by the Committee on International
Relations, upon which we have had no hearings in this Congress, which
addresses the most important foreign policy issue of the next 12
months, the enlargement of NATO.
This process is an insult to the House Committee on International
Relations. It is deeply offensive to anyone who cares about the orderly
process of this institution. It torpedoes the committee, it sets aside
the committee's expertise, and I object to it.
We had coming out of the committee a bipartisan product. I commended
the chairman of the committee for the manner in which he handled that
bill and for producing a bipartisan bill. It was a fair process that
went forward. It produced a bill that had a very good chance of being
signed into law, and I think it is correct to say that it is virtually
nil, the possibility that this bill, newly drafted by the Committee on
Rules, will become law. We are simply marking time.
If we adopt this rule, we will have taken a fair and an open process
and replaced it with a process that is deeply flawed. I urge a ``no''
vote on the previous question and a ``no'' vote on the rule.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from
Florida [Mr. Goss], my distinguished colleague on the Committee on
Rules.
(Mr. GOSS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Florida [Mr. Diaz-
Balart] for the time.
I rise in support of this open rule providing for consideration of
the Foreign Relations Authorization Act. I also strongly support the
second bill brought up by the rule, the European Security Act, which
will be combined with the State Department bill at the conclusion of
the consideration of the two measures. These are not new items, these
are things that have been much discussed in these Halls.
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It has been 12 long years since the last international relations
authorization legislation was signed into law. Think about that. What
this means is that review and reform of the mechanisms used when the
Government conducts its foreign policy and spends American taxpayers'
dollars overseas are long, long overdue.
As many of my colleagues know from their own mail, this is something
of a sore spot for many Americans who question the effectiveness of our
foreign efforts and our foreign policy.
This is especially apparent when they look at the general lack of
progress the White House has been making even in nearby countries like
Haiti--where $3 billion and 20,000 troops have made little tangible
difference to most Haitians--and have perhaps moved that country
backwards by increasing dependency on American handouts. Or countries
like Bosnia, where the administration has apparently made a commitment
it cannot seem to extract itself--or our troops--from.
I understand the benefits of reasonable levels of well-managed and
monitored foreign aid. These are benefits that are not measured by
volumes of carefully staged photo ops. We need to streamline our
foreign policy assets to reflect current priorities and the reality of
our limited resources, to get more bang for the relatively few dollars
we spend to protect and promote our interests abroad.
This legislation will in fact do that, doing away with three
agencies, folding their nonduplicative functions into State, along with
some functions of a fourth agency--USAID. It also addresses shifting
American priorities. I am especially pleased that it places a priority
on cracking down on Fidel Castro's regime and chokes off international
assistance that could be used by Castro to complete the nuclear
reactors at Juragua--an issue of grave concern to my southwest Florida
district. Ultimately, H.R. 1757 should go a long way toward creating a
leaner, more effective foreign policy apparatus--and one that reflects
our changing priorities as we move ahead into the new millennium. H.R.
1757 should also give us concrete progress toward achieving the goal of
eliminating fraud, waste, and abuse.
The second related bill this rule brings before us is H.R. 1758, the
European Security Act, in conjunction with H.R. 1757. This legislation
was introduced by the gentleman from New York [Mr. Gilman] and several
of my colleagues to consolidate the gains made by the United States and
our European allies in freeing Europe from the grip of the cold war.
As an original cosponsor of this legislation, I am pleased to be able
to say this act will take us beyond the first tranche of NATO
expansion, bringing the security umbrella to those emerging democracies
of Central and Eastern Europe that are striving to meet the
requirements for membership.
I think anyone who is watching this issue closely knows that the
White House's most recent foray in this policy area makes it more
important than ever that the Congress weighs in--this legislation is
the right message and it is being sent at the right time.
This is essentially an open rule. It does deserve support. H.R. 1757
should improve the way we do business overseas, and H.R. 1758 is
eagerly anticipated and anxiously awaited by our friends, old and new,
throughout Europe. A vote ``yes'' for this bill makes sense. A vote
``yes'' for this rule gets us to that point.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank].
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, the majority is perpetuating
as egregious a violation of the rules that ought to govern a democracy
as I have ever seen. This outrage of telling us that we will have 1
hour with no amendments to debate the fundamental question of NATO
policy is a disrespect for the rules that ought to govern beyond what I
have ever seen.
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I hope the gentleman from New York will be prepared to amend his
earlier statement when he said, well, if it had come up as an amendment
it would also not have been amendable. That is, of course, not remotely
true. If the European Security Act had been offered as an amendment to
the bill, a 17-page amendment, it would have been amendable. It would
have been debatable without limit. It would have been subject to a
motion for substitution.
The question of policy regarding NATO is of extraordinary importance.
The gentleman from New York said, well, we have to provide some money
for these Eastern European countries. Vote for this bill and we are
committing billions of dollars from the American taxpayer to our
European new allies. The whole question of burdensharing, the question
of whether or not Americans ought to continue to subsidize Europe
militarily in the absence of a military threat, we are being asked to
vote on this with no amendments and only a half hour on either side.
It is absolutely unprecedented in my experience for a matter as
central as the NATO policy, what kind of policy, nuclear policy,
conventional arms policy, which countries join, that that is to be a
closed rule, 1 hour, one bill, on this NATO question.
I understand the majority is somewhat at odds right now. There is an
incoherence in their strategy. They are trying to fill time. But to
take one of the central questions facing the world today, whether and
on what terms we should expand NATO, how much the American taxpayer
should contribute, what should be the rules and which nations should
come in, and to do it unamendably, to bring that forward without an
amendment, is, as I say, as great a disrespect for democratic process
as I have ever seen. The majority ought to be ashamed of itself.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to
the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon], chairman of the Committee on
Rules.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I am again just surprised. When the NATO
Participation Act passed this floor, as I recall, there were only 7
votes against it. I would predict that is what happens here again
today, because this Congress, both Republican and Democrats alike,
believe that we should be giving the people that were oppressed by this
international, deadly, atheistic, communism for 50 years, they ought to
have the opportunity of freedom, the same as we Americans desire. That
is why we fought a World War, and a Second World War. That is why the
American taxpayer footed the bill for a cold war that was extremely
expensive. It is why Ronald Reagan called the Soviet empire the evil
empire.
The truth of the matter is that we are going to give those people
that right. We are going to enter into a treaty alliance that will say
to them, if your sovereign boundaries are threatened then we, the
United States of America, will help you defend those sovereign
boundaries. That is what this debate is all about.
I think the gentleman may be sticking up for Senator Kennedy, who
opposes the expansion of NATO, and we are not going to give him the
chance to block this legislation. We are going to include it in this
legislation, and force a vote on it over in the other body.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 10 seconds to the gentleman
from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank].
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman tried to evade
the point. The question is not whether we should debate it, but whether
we should debate it in a closed rule with no amendments.
I am all for democracy in Eastern Europe. I am sorry the gentleman is
not in favor of democracy here in the House of Representatives.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute and 10 seconds to the
gentleman from New York [Mr. Nadler].
(Mr. NADLER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, without any public discussion, a provision
was inserted in this brew last night that would fundamentally alter
American policy by repealing the Lautenberg amendment that has made it
practical for Jews and Evangelical Christians emigrating from the
former Soviet Union to receive refugee status in the United States.
The Lautenberg amendment recognizes a simple and straightforward
fact: that there is still a great deal of religious persecution in the
former Soviet Union; that anti-Semitism and religious persecution did
not die with the Communist government; and that, if anything, with
virulent nationalists and anti-Semites like Vladimir Zhirinovsky active
and increasingly popular, the need to provide a safe haven is as great
as ever.
Finally, even if some in this House are prepared to believe that the
Lautenberg amendment is no longer needed, the Jews of the former Soviet
Union are not. They are still trying to get out. There are about 40,000
applications on file and the Department of State estimates that two-
thirds of them qualify; 2,000 new applications are received every
month.
The Congressional Budget Office, after five contrary determinations,
now says there is a cost to continuing the Lautenberg amendment. This
is nonsense. We set a cap on refugee admissions every year. The
Lautenberg amendment does not add a single number to that cap. It
simply determines refugee admissions within the cap. So it is absurd to
suggest there is any cost involved in this amendment.
Mr. Speaker, the rule also drops the entire foreign aid budget from
the International Relation Committee's bill. This includes aid to
Israel. How can we vote to cut aid to Israel from this bill? The
Israeli people are living under the gun. They have to face terrorism on
their busses, on their streets, and in their schools. Israel is our
only democratic ally in the region.
What sort of message does this send to Israel's many enemies? That
the United States lacks the resolve to stand with our friends? That
terrorism wins?
Mr. Speaker, this rule is a disgrace. It undercuts our basic values
and our policies that have worked for our friends, our country, and our
values.
Mr. Speaker, I also object to the inability to stage a real debate on
NATO expansion, on where we should extend our guarantees and where not.
If Hungary, why not Russia? Why not Ukraine? This House ought to debate
that, and this rule ought to be defeated.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from
California [Mr. Dreier], a distinguished member of the Committee on
Rules.
(Mr. DREIER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, obviously this debate has touched many
different issues, because this is far-reaching legislation.
I would like to talk about an issue that was raised by the gentleman
from New York [Mr. Gilman] which has played a role in leading me to
strongly support both this rule and the legislation.
Earlier this year the American people were outraged when we saw a 16-
year-old girl run over on the streets right here in Washington, D.C.,
up at Dupont Circle. The real tragedy came when we found that the
driver turned out to be a drunken diplomat from the Republic of
Georgia. Then we, of course, looked at what conceivably could have
happened. Of course, what could have happened is diplomatic immunity
could have been used, and the driver would have no responsibility
whatsoever for killing this young 16-year-old-girl.
The immediate gut reaction from me and most people looking at this is
why do we have diplomatic immunity? Obviously, diplomatic immunity is
very important because it is conceivable that in another country we
could see a U.S. officer in fact framed and charged with some crime
that they are not responsible for at all, so diplomatic immunity is
very important. But modifying the diplomatic immunity laws as they
exist is very important.
This provision includes some very important items which we brought
about in a consensus which includes, as Chairman Gilman pointed out,
now the support of Mothers Against Drunk Driving and several other
organizations that heretofore have not gotten involved in legislation
like this.
What we call for is, first, a full accounting of the use of
diplomatic immunity in the United States and in other countries, and,
second and very
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important, we call on the administration to proceed with negotiations
to deal with a procedure that would allow the countries of origin to in
fact have jurisdiction over the actions of one of their foreign service
officers in another country.
It is a very important step in dealing with a critically important
problem, and that is why I think it is important for us to move ahead
with this rule, get this legislation forward. So many people have said
the legislation is going nowhere, but I think that dealing with this
problem of diplomatic immunity and the potential loss of life and
looking at the other victims means that we should in fact move ahead
with it.
I support this rule, Mr. Speaker, and support the underlying
legislation, and hope that we will be able to proceed as expeditiously
as possible in approving the previous question as well as the rule.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from
Minnesota [Mr. Minge].
Mr. MINGE. Mr. Speaker, I represent an area of Minnesota that was
affected by the flooding this spring. I know that the Republicans and
the Democrats alike have recognized the importance of having an
effective disaster assistance package for those parts of this Nation,
not just the Midwest but the entire Nation, that have suffered from
disasters. This is not a partisan issue.
But what I find terribly ironic is that instead of completing the
disaster assistance package for those fellow Americans who have
suffered, we are turning to a foreign aid package, essentially, for
folks in other countries.
This is not to say that we should not fulfill our responsibilities
globally. But the problem is, when are we going to take up and address
the needs of Americans? Will we do it without placing on that
legislation enormously controversial matters, hijacking our domestic
disaster assistance bill for yet other political agendas?
I would implore the leadership in this institution to immediately
bring the disaster bill to this floor for a vote.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to
the gentleman from New York [Mr. Gilman], chairman of the Committee on
International Relations.
Mr. GILMAN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to
me.
Mr. Speaker, let us all be clear. There is nothing, nothing save the
reorganization provision that has been added to this bill. This bill
has been before all of us for several weeks. The only change that has
been made is we divided it into two parts. We do fund the State
Department and related organizations, and we did add the European
Security Act. There have been no changes in the underlying bill.
To get involved now in a debate on disaster, the Disaster Act; while
that is an important measure, it is certainly not germane to the
measure that we have before us. I am urging my colleagues, vote for the
previous question and vote for the rule. It is an important rule. It is
an important bill with relation to our foreign policy.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of my time to the
gentleman from North Dakota [Mr. Pomeroy].
Mr. POMEROY. Mr. Speaker, it has been 13 days since Congress recessed
without taking action on the urgently needed disaster bill. Now, in its
first action since coming back into session, it takes up the foreign
aid bill. It was wrong of Congress to recess without taking action on
the disaster bill, and it is wrong for us to commit taxpayer resources
to help the others before we have committed those resources to helping
our own.
{time} 1345
To the flood victims I represent, this feels like Congress is trying
to literally shove our nose in the muck and the filth left by the
rampaging Red River. This is what the scene is like in Grand Forks, ND,
today. Lives left on the lawn. Everything that river touched that river
wrecked. We have hundreds of homes destroyed, hundreds more severely
damaged and thousands of people not knowing where they are going to
live, families separated now for 6 weeks, not knowing when they can get
back together.
We have to take action on the disaster bill. It is not acceptable in
any way, shape, or form to pass foreign aid before we take action on
this bill.
Let us today vote down the rule, vote down the previous question
motion that will be before us, and attach to this rule in consideration
of this legislation the disaster bill so that none of us have to go
home and face constituents like I will have to or my colleagues might
have to someday that ask, why can we help everyone else and not help
our own?
Mr. Speaker, it is time to help our own. They desperately need it.
Defeat this rule and help our own.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 seconds to the gentleman
from New York [Mr. Gilman].
Mr. GILMAN. Mr. Speaker, while the gentleman makes a very eloquent
appeal with regard to disaster relief, we certainly want to support
that relief. Let us get that conference committee moving.
But this is not foreign aid. This measure before us is the State
Department authorization measure and not foreign aid. I just wanted to
clarify the Record for the gentleman.
Mr. POMEROY. Mr. Speaker, to the families that have been apart for 6
weeks and have no place to live, it looks like foreign aid to us.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
I think it is a very important point of clarification, the one that
the chairman of the Committee on International Relations has just made.
This is not a foreign aid bill. Yet the two measures before us are very
important, not only the Foreign Policy Authorization Act but the bill
wanted by the President of the United States, by the way, Mr. Speaker,
to authorize the expansion of NATO.
It is a very serious matter before the Nation, one that relates
directly to our foreign policy and to our national security.
Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from New
York [Mr. Solomon], distinguished chairman of the Committee on Rules.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Goodlatte]. The gentleman from New York
[Mr. Solomon] is recognized for 2\1/4\ minutes.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, let me say to the gentleman from North
Dakota [Mr. Pomeroy], I represented an area in New York State, the
Adirondack Mountains, the Catskill Mountains, and the Hudson Valley.
So many times during the winter and spring we are faced with
disaster. We have ice jams that cause irreparable damage. We rarely get
any aid from the Federal Government. We generally try to take care of
ourselves up there. But I sympathize with the gentleman. I want to do
everything I can to expedite this supplemental bill. That is not the
issue before us, but I will say to the gentleman that it is possible
for the Committee on Rules today to go upstairs and waive the two-
thirds rule so that should the conference continue into this evening
and should they be able to file before midnight, we then would be able
to hold a rules meeting tomorrow and bring that supplemental to the
floor on the same day. We cannot do that under normal rules of the
House.
I would just say to my good friend, the gentleman from Massachusetts
[Mr. Moakley], that he and I might get together a little bit later. We
might consider that in trying to help those people in North Dakota and
other areas.
In the meantime, Mr. Speaker, let me tell my colleagues that this is
a good bill. The fact is, if we pass this rule, we are going to go to
an open debate process, any Member who filed amendments on the State
Department authorization portion of the bill will have the opportunity,
including those that did not take the time to file those amendments.
So let us get on with it. Let us pass the previous question. Let us
pass the rule and then let us get onto this bill.
Ms. CHRISTIAN-GREEN. Mr. Speaker, the heart of all of the people of
the U.S. Virgin Islands go out to our fellow Americans in the Midwest.
We, who have experienced some of the worse hurricane related
disasters in recent years, know your pain.
That is why I rise today, to plead with my Republican colleagues, not
to use your distress as a political football, not to make you pawns in
the budget and census debate.
It is callous to say that there is no emergency. We have only been
able to address the
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immediate emergency response. Now we must provide the funding needed to
help the people of North Dakota and South Dakota and other States to
begin to recover--to rebuild their homes, to restart their businesses,
to restore their farms, to begin to rebuild their lives.
This Congress cannot abandon our people in their time of great and
dire need. We need a clean bill, and we need to vote to cast this
lifeline to the flood victims now.
Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to defeat the previous
questions so that Congress can provide the help so needed by Americans
plagued by flooding and other disasters.
Congress should have approved the disaster assistance before leaving
for a Memorial Day break. The bill would have provided approximately
$5.6 billion in disaster assistance for victims in 33 States. It also
would have provided funds to support our troops in Bosnia and those
enforcing the no-fly zone in Iraq. Instead, the Republican leadership
loaded down the disaster bill with controversial provisions and then
went home without doing their job to help Americans in need.
We had the chance before Memorial Day to pass a simple, clean bill,
but the Republican leadership chose to make political points rather
than help those in need. Now we are back, but instead of passing a
clean disaster assistance bill, we are taking up the State Department
authorization bill.
I certainly support our Nation's foreign policy efforts, but I
believe we ought to take care of our own people first. Let's defeat the
previous question so that we can quickly pass a noncontroversial
disaster assistance bill.
Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question on the
resolution.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on ordering the previous
question.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground
that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum
is not present.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 219,
nays 204, not voting 11, as follows:
[Roll No. 157]
YEAS--219
Aderholt
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baker
Ballenger
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bateman
Bereuter
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bliley
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Brady
Bryant
Bunning
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Canady
Cannon
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Christensen
Coble
Coburn
Collins
Combest
Cook
Cooksey
Cox
Crane
Crapo
Cubin
Cunningham
Davis (VA)
Deal
DeLay
Diaz-Balart
Dickey
Doolittle
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Emerson
English
Ensign
Everett
Ewing
Fawell
Foley
Forbes
Fowler
Fox
Franks (NJ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goodlatte
Goodling
Goss
Graham
Granger
Greenwood
Hansen
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Hefley
Herger
Hill
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hulshof
Hunter
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inglis
Istook
Jenkins
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Kasich
Kelly
Kim
King (NY)
Kingston
Klug
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Largent
Latham
LaTourette
Lazio
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Livingston
LoBiondo
Lucas
Manzullo
McCollum
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McIntosh
McKeon
Metcalf
Mica
Miller (FL)
Molinari
Moran (KS)
Morella
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neumann
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nussle
Oxley
Packard
Pappas
Parker
Paul
Paxon
Pease
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pitts
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce (OH)
Quinn
Radanovich
Redmond
Regula
Riggs
Riley
Rogan
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roukema
Royce
Ryun
Salmon
Sanford
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaefer, Dan
Schaffer, Bob
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Shimkus
Shuster
Skeen
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (OR)
Smith (TX)
Smith, Linda
Snowbarger
Solomon
Souder
Spence
Stearns
Stump
Sununu
Talent
Tauzin
Taylor (NC)
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Upton
Walsh
Wamp
Watkins
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
White
Whitfield
Wicker
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NAYS--204
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Baesler
Baldacci
Barcia
Barrett (WI)
Becerra
Bentsen
Berman
Berry
Bishop
Blagojevich
Blumenauer
Bonior
Borski
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brown (CA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Capps
Cardin
Carson
Clay
Clement
Clyburn
Condit
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cramer
Cummings
Danner
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dellums
Deutsch
Dicks
Dingell
Dixon
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Edwards
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Fattah
Fazio
Filner
Flake
Foglietta
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frost
Furse
Gejdenson
Gephardt
Gonzalez
Goode
Gordon
Green
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Hall (OH)
Hall (TX)
Hamilton
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Holden
Hooley
Hoyer
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
John
Johnson (WI)
Johnson, E.B.
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (MA)
Kennedy (RI)
Kennelly
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind (WI)
Kleczka
Klink
Kucinich
LaFalce
Lampson
Leach
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Luther
Maloney (CT)
Maloney (NY)
Manton
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McDermott
McGovern
McHale
McIntyre
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller (CA)
Minge
Mink
Moakley
Mollohan
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Pickett
Pomeroy
Poshard
Price (NC)
Rahall
Ramstad
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roemer
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sandlin
Sawyer
Schumer
Scott
Serrano
Sherman
Sisisky
Skaggs
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith, Adam
Snyder
Spratt
Stabenow
Stark
Stenholm
Stokes
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thompson
Thune
Thurman
Tierney
Torres
Towns
Traficant
Turner
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Waters
Watt (NC)
Waxman
Wexler
Weygand
Wise
Woolsey
Wynn
Yates
NOT VOTING--11
Andrews
Clayton
Farr
Hefner
Hilliard
Jefferson
Lantos
Lewis (CA)
McDade
Pickering
Schiff
{time} 1416
Mr. KILDEE and Mr. GONZALEZ changed their vote from ``yea'' to
``nay.''
So the previous question was ordered.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Goodlatte). The question is on the
resolution.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 221,
nays 200, not voting 13, as follows:
[Roll No. 158]
YEAS--221
Aderholt
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baker
Ballenger
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bateman
Bereuter
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bliley
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Boswell
Brady
Bryant
Bunning
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Canady
Cannon
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Christensen
Coble
Coburn
Collins
Combest
Cook
Cooksey
Cox
Crane
Crapo
Cubin
Cunningham
Davis (VA)
Deal
DeLay
Diaz-Balart
Dickey
Doolittle
Dreier
Duncan
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Emerson
English
Ensign
Everett
Ewing
Fawell
Foley
Forbes
Fowler
Fox
Franks (NJ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goodlatte
Goodling
Goss
Graham
Granger
Greenwood
Hansen
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Hefley
Herger
Hill
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hulshof
Hunter
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inglis
Istook
Jenkins
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Kasich
Kelly
Kim
King (NY)
Kingston
Klug
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
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Largent
Latham
LaTourette
Lazio
Leach
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Livingston
LoBiondo
Lucas
Manzullo
McCollum
McCrery
McHugh
McInnis
McIntosh
McKeon
Metcalf
Mica
Miller (FL)
Molinari
Moran (KS)
Morella
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neumann
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nussle
Oxley
Packard
Pappas
Parker
Paul
Paxon
Pease
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pitts
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce (OH)
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Redmond
Regula
Riggs
Riley
Rogan
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roukema
Royce
Ryun
Salmon
Sanford
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaefer, Dan
Schaffer, Bob
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Shimkus
Shuster
Skeen
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (OR)
Smith (TX)
Smith, Linda
Snowbarger
Solomon
Souder
Spence
Stearns
Stump
Sununu
Talent
Tauzin
Taylor (NC)
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Upton
Walsh
Wamp
Watkins
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
White
Whitfield
Wicker
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
NAYS--200
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Baesler
Baldacci
Barcia
Barrett (WI)
Becerra
Bentsen
Berman
Berry
Bishop
Blagojevich
Blumenauer
Bonior
Borski
Boucher
Boyd
Brown (CA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Capps
Cardin
Carson
Clay
Clement
Clyburn
Condit
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cramer
Cummings
Danner
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dellums
Deutsch
Dicks
Dingell
Dixon
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Edwards
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Fattah
Fazio
Filner
Flake
Foglietta
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frost
Furse
Gejdenson
Gephardt
Gonzalez
Goode
Gordon
Green
Gutierrez
Gutknecht
Hall (OH)
Hall (TX)
Hamilton
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Holden
Hooley
Hoyer
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
John
Johnson (WI)
Johnson, E. B.
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (MA)
Kennedy (RI)
Kennelly
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind (WI)
Kleczka
Klink
Kucinich
LaFalce
Lampson
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Luther
Maloney (CT)
Maloney (NY)
Manton
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McDermott
McGovern
McHale
McIntyre
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller (CA)
Minge
Mink
Moakley
Mollohan
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Peterson (MN)
Pickett
Pomeroy
Poshard
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roemer
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sandlin
Sawyer
Schumer
Scott
Serrano
Sherman
Sisisky
Skaggs
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith, Adam
Snyder
Spratt
Stabenow
Stark
Stenholm
Stokes
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thompson
Thune
Thurman
Tierney
Torres
Towns
Traficant
Turner
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Waters
Watt (NC)
Waxman
Wexler
Weygand
Wise
Woolsey
Wynn
NOT VOTING--13
Andrews
Clayton
Dunn
Farr
Hefner
Hilliard
Jefferson
Lantos
Lewis (CA)
McDade
Pickering
Schiff
Yates
{time} 1437
So the resolution was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
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