[Congressional Record Volume 142, Number 136 (Friday, September 27, 1996)]
[House]
[Pages H11590-H11596]
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                  INTEGRITY NEEDED IN THE WHITE HOUSE

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of May 
12, 1995, the gentleman from California [Mr. Dornan] is recognized for 
60 minutes.
  Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, a bit of bipartisan levity. In case the 
1,300,000 audience from the territory of Guam, in which it is already 
tomorrow, on the other side of the dateline, all the way through our 
beautiful 50th State, Hawaii, down to the territory of Puerto Rico and 
the Virgin Island, not to forget Western Samoa, back in the Pacific, 
all of them watching may have missed it earlier today, because of the 
various time zones, my friend, the gentleman from Ohio Jim Traficant, 
made this observation on our runaway, bloated Federal Government.
  This is Jim Traficant. He is the best one-minute man in the House, 
not I, so I hope I do it some justice. Here goes Traficant, fighting 
Democrat of Ohio: ``Don't be fooled by the Clinton Administration's 
budget-cutting rhetoric, because nothing has changed,'' says 
Representative James A. Traficant, Ohio Democrat.
  ``In and effort to cut the budget, the GAO called the OMB and the 
CBO, the RTC and the NSC and the ITC and the GSA and the IRS, and they 
had no success.'' I am with him so far. I have tracked every one of 
those agencies. I have been here 20 years, so the alphabet soup is okay 
to the point.
  Now, ``So since they had no success,'' Mr. Traficant continues, ``The 
GAO then called the DOD, the DOE, the DOT, and the DDT.'' I think he 
lost me on DDT. ``Still, they could find no cuts. So then the GAO 
called the CIA, the DIA, and the OSI, and the PCBs and the PCPs.'' I 
fell off the charts on the last one. ``And they could find no cuts.''
  ``So then they called again the OSI and the ORI and the IUD, and 
could find no cuts. And finally, so frustrated, they called,'' and I am 
a married guy, I know the code on this next one, ``they called the PMS, 
and there were no cuts to be made. So they decided there should be a 
whole new program called the accounting selection system, hereafter to 
be known as A-S-S, which only goes to show us, when it comes to 
bureaucrats and cuts, it is still the same in Washington, D.C. It is 
called BS in D.C.''
  That is the last time I will be lighthearted here, because I would 
like to read a letter. Last night I was happily incorrect. I did not 
make the last special order of the very successful 104th Congress. 
Canadian yearly multimillionare--meaning every year he becomes a 
multimillionaire over and over--Peter Jennings says this was not a 
productive Congress. Contraire, Peter, my Canadian friend, who pays a 
lot of U.S. income tax, I hope. It was very successful.
  I though last night was it. So here I am back for an hour, to be 
joined by my friend, the gentleman from Huntington Beach and the 
greater area, including a lot of parts that I represented for 8 years 
in beautiful Orange County, he will be joining me. But I want to read a 
letter, I would say to the gentleman from California, Mr. Rohrabacher, 
and then ask the Chair's unanimous consent to engage in a colloquy.
  Mr. Speaker, this is from a doctor in the hometown where by mom and 
my aunt, Flo Haley, grew up, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, the great 
Scranton Wilkes-Barre, Wyoming Valley. That is where the State of 
Wyoming got its name, right there in eastern Pennsylvania.
  This is Dr. Gerald Ferry--I will not give his address. Jerry Ferry, 
kind of an easy name to remember, said ``Dear Congressman Dornan, I 
respectfully request that you consider organizing a series of special 
orders regarding Clinton's attempted reelection similar to those 
conducted in 1992,'' when, of course, he was not protected by rule 
XVIII, which is to keep us from going for one another's throats here 
and in the other, as Tip O'Neill used to say, ``the other body;'' I 
like the great American's way of calling the Senate ``the other body.''

  Dr. Ferry continues, ``Please, do whatever you can to rid our great 
Nation of the Clinton menace.'' He means the Clinton administration; he 
is not being personal there, I am sure. Dr. Ferry would not do that. 
``Your friend, Jerry. No response necessary.''
  We had talked, and we were called Tiger Flight. This post-Korean War 
fighter pilot and three combat pilots, the gentleman from Texas, Sam 
Johnson, a few years older than I, fought in Korea and came back in 
Vietnam. That is what almost 30 years of service did for that great 
American; shot down in both wars, captured in Vietnam, horribly 
tortured. Only the torture of Red McDaniel, our friend, and a few 
others ever went beyond Sam Johnson of Texas, our colleague's torture.
  He joined me on the floor one night after our colleague, the 
gentleman from California, Duncan Hunter, joined me. And then the only 
aerial ace since World War I began to ever serve in the U.S. House or 
Senate, our colleague, the gentleman from California, ``Duke'' 
Cunningham, he joined us. His district adjoins Duncan Hunter's.
  That was 4 years ago this very day, and we went into October. I think 
we adjourned late into the night of October 4-5, and we became known as 
Tiger Flight, and I was getting a thousand calls every 24 hours from 
smart Americans who saw what was coming.
  There were no books out on either Clinton, no talk about, it takes a 
Clinton village to raise my children. You know where my kids were 
raised. Mr. Speaker, you may not know; but you know, Dana, in Westwood 
Village and Brentwood. I do not think O.J. Simpson's Brentwood or 
Westwood Village at the foot of UCLA is the village that was going to 
help raise my five kids, who are all thoughtful but outspoken and 
passionate conservatives, particularly on life issues, in raising what 
will soon be 11 grandkids.
  My daughter Terry, who ran my presidential campaign, she is great, 
Terry Dornan Cobban, she does not need any help from Springfield 
Village or Burke Center Village or anybody. She knows what to do with 
her kids, and she knows good teachers from bad teachers.
  So going back 4 years ago, people remembered that, and they expected 
about 10 days here, and it did not happen.
  I would ask the gentleman from California [Mr. Rohrabacher], did you 
see the movie, ``The Longest Day?'' General Eisenhower, by then a four-
star, said, ``I am not putting men on the beach unless we control the 
air.'' And we so pounded the Luftwaffe, the Flying Army, so that by the 
time D-Day rolled around we had air superiority; not supremacy, yet. 
The Luftwaffe only sent up two airplanes, two Messerschmitts, the first 
helicopter seen over simulating a strafing run across the beach on a 
camera in oil, to steady the camera; an early steadying device.
  The German fighter pilot, who is still alive, he just died recently, 
his name is something like Pappin, Pippin, he gave the exact dialogue 
he said that day. It is in Cornelius Ryan's book, ``The Longest Day,'' 
after they strafed. And they killed some Americans; so when the 
audience laughed, I did not like it. They strafed the whole beach and 
killed some Americans. That was it, one pass. Ran for their lives.
  As he pulled off the target, our young men hitting the beach at 
Omaha, way after the first waves, first two waves, he said, ``Well, the 
Luftwaffe has had its day.'' Two fighters.

                              {time}  2130

  Mr. Rohrabacher, it is you. It is me. This is it. There will be no 
special orders tomorrow. We are going to adjourn sine die. So we will 
respect this rule XVIII for the last time. Because when we meet in 
December and organize, it is going. If we have to find people trained 
as Republicans to be parliamentarians, that is not good enough. I want 
rule XVIII out the window, for anyone. Let us say Bob Dole wins and our 
pal Jack Kemp whom we love. I do not want to hamstring--that means tie 
their ankles together--I do not want to hamstring the minority, and I 
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they are still the minority, bless their hearts. Out of the last 66 
years, they have had 60 and they had 40 in a burst right up through 
November 8, 1994. So bless their hearts. They had their 40 years to run 
up $5 trillion of debt. I hope we hold a majority here. But I do not 
want to hamstring the minority.
  I know what it is like to be in the minority. I was in the minority 
for 18 years. You were in the minority for 8 years. It is not nice. Or 
6 years.
  So Mr. Dole, President Dole and Vice President Jack Kemp, they are 
going to have to take a pounding, because my colleagues on the other 
side have destroyed the value in this Chamber of two words: Extremist 
and radical. They have made them synonymous, at least in their minds, 
with the word ``conservative'' and the word ``Republican.'' I have 
never called a Member on the other side an extremist on this floor or a 
radical and they do it all day long. Where do they pick it up? From the 
White House.
  Mr. ROHRABACHER. If the gentleman would yield, I do not ever remember 
someone on the left being referred to as an extremist.
  Mr. DORNAN. Not in this Chamber or in the U.S. Senate.
  Mr. ROHRABACHER. Actually in the news media as well. It seems to me 
you actually have to be carrying a gun and trying to kill someone to be 
an extremist on the left. And on the right you basically have to be 
someone who, even if your views are parallel to, let us say, 75 or 80 
percent of the American people but opposed to what the liberal news 
media believes is a standard, basically the standard belief in our news 
columns, then you are an extremist if you are a conservative.
  Mr. DORNAN. If you want to balance the budget, you are a child-hating 
extremist radical.
  Mr. ROHRABACHER. I believe that the President said that the Gallegly 
amendment was a nutty idea, which was something that got quoted, and 
that ``nutty idea,'' of course, passed overwhelmingly in the House of 
Representatives.
  Mr. DORNAN. With a lot of bipartisan support.
  Mr. ROHRABACHER. If I could mention, as we get into this illegal 
alien issue, which is one of the reasons I am here tonight and I am so 
concerned, is that President Clinton has repeatedly promised the people 
of California that he would be helpful on that issue and that I am 
sorry to say tonight that what we see happening in Washington, DC today 
is that not only is the President not trying to help us on the illegal 
alien issue but the President is using all of his powers, all of the 
threats that he can make in terms of the legislative process and the 
Presidential involvement in it to try to prevent us from passing a 
meaningful immigration bill.
  It has reached the point today that during our negotiations, what 
President Clinton is doing is basically threatening to shut down the 
entire U.S. Government if we refuse to gut the immigration bill that 
passed with a substantial margin here in the House of Representatives. 
Those things that apparently are upsetting the President are that, he 
claims it is our restrictions on legal immigrants that he is upset 
with.
  The American people should understand, and I believe for the record 
that we should state that the restrictions on legal immigration that 
are now being discussed by the President and which he adamantly is 
opposed to deals with SSI, welfare, and Medicaid. The President of the 
United States is threatening to close down the Federal Government 
unless we take out our immigration reform bill provisions that prevent 
people who come here and never contributed to the system from 
immediately getting on the SSI. He is also worried about, for example, 
that we have restrictions to prevent people who come here from other 
countries, now, they are supposed to be healthy when they come here, 
they are supposed to be, and the idea is if someone comes here, that 
they do not become a ward of the State and that they do not drain money 
that is meant to be for the American people themselves. But the 
President wants us to take out a provision that permits people who come 
here from every other country, legally or not, from receiving Medicaid. 
We are talking about $20 billion of Federal expenditures. The President 
is threatening to shut down the Government, prevent the widows and 
orphans and veterans of this country from getting their benefit checks 
from the Federal Government, in order to protect foreigners who come 
here and who are now currently draining money out of our SSI system and 
out of the health care system that was meant for American citizens.

  This is totally contrary to the promises that he made the people of 
California. But the people of California should not be the only ones 
that are upset. The people of the entire country are the ones who are 
having to pick up this bill. If our social infrastructure in California 
breaks down, our education system and our health system and we go belly 
up financially, this is only a harbinger of what will happen to the 
entire country.
  Mr. DORNAN. Exactly.
  Mr. ROHRABACHER. If we send a message to the people of the world, 
which we have, ``Come on in, come on in, because you will get the 
benefits if you can come to the United States, legally or illegally.''
  One of the things that concerns me the most is that we have seen this 
incredible flood of illegal immigration into our country at a time when 
this administration is trying to speed up the process of 
naturalization.
  In the last 12 months there have been more immigrants naturalized 
than in any other year in the history of our country. In fact, it is 
three times greater than the year before. This administration is 
intentionally speeding up the naturalization process in order to make 
voters out of foreigners, many of whom came here illegally and were 
given amnesty back in 1986.
  What is happening, then, is that in a speedup of the naturalization 
process, thousands upon thousands of convicted criminals, of felons, 
are being given U.S. citizenship by a President of the United States 
who is hell-bent to try to gut our ability to come to grips with this 
challenge to the people of not only California but of the entire 
country.
  Who do we care about? Why are we here? Who are we supposed to 
represent? We are elected by the people of the United States to care 
for them. We have different philosophies and people with different 
philosophies can disagree. There can be honest disagreements. But we 
must always keep in mind what is the benefit to the people of the 
United States

  I am afraid that what has happened is there is a political power 
block in this country that sees that they are losing their power. The 
liberal left that controlled the news media and communications and 
controlled the political apparatus of this country for decades is 
losing their grip. The political liberal left thinks that there is one 
way they can keep hold, and they look at millions and tens of millions 
of people coming illegally and legally into our country as a potential 
voting block to save them from the political oblivion of a time when 
the American people are rejecting their liberal left philosophy.
  This is a threat to the Democratic process, it is a threat to the 
well-being of every American. I would hope that those people reading 
the Congressional Record and those people who watch over C-SPAN will 
pay close attention to the negotiations that are now going on.
  Why would a President of the United States insist that we provide 
tens of billions of dollars worth of benefits to foreigners at a time 
when we are having to cut down on programs for our own people? Why is 
that? Why would the President of the United States be willing to close 
this Government, to close the U.S. Government and to prevent our 
widows, our orphans, our own veterans from receiving their benefits in 
order to insist, to add pressure on Republicans to gut a welfare reform 
bill that protects our own budgets from being looted by foreigners?
  Something is going on here. Something terrible is going on here. 
Every American should be aware of this. Thank goodness for talk radio, 
and thank goodness for the fact that we have a Congressional Record 
that is distributed to libraries throughout the United States and a C-
SPAN that is seen by the American people throughout the country, 
because the news media is not doing their job. It is very easy to see 
that the news media is not doing their job.

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  Does anyone remember, for example, we have talked tonight about the 
commodities, the tens of thousands, if not $100,000 made in the 
commodities market by Hillary Clinton before she became First Lady? Not 
many people talk about that anymore. We talked about the details, the 
horrible details of the Travelgate scandal where some civil servants, 
their lives were destroyed for just trying to protect someone's 
political career.
  Well, what about the FBI Filegate scandal? That was just a few months 
ago, and already we do not hear anything about that. That is not in the 
media. Already people are sort of ignoring that. In fact, just 
yesterday and the day before there were dramatic revelations that the 
logbook that was kept on the people who saw these FBI files that were 
being illegally kept by the White House, that there is a logbook that 
has a 6-month gap, and that they do not know who looked at the FBI 
files during this 6-month period.

  Well, let us remind the public what the FBI Filegate scandal is all 
about.
  Church Colson, during the Watergate scandal, showed one-half of one 
FBI file to one person and was sent to prison for 2 years because this 
was considered and is considered today a horrible personal assault on 
the privacy rights of those individuals who the FBI has gathered 
information on. When that scandal broke, the President first announced 
that it was 35 files. Then, if you remember, it became 50, and then 
100, and then it became 900 FBI files.
  Then, if you remember, the President mentioned something about, oh, 
this was just a low-level detailee from the Defense Department. Only 
later did we find out that what we were really talking about, was what? 
We were talking about a man who had been engaged, a professional 
opposition researcher who worked in several major Democratic campaigns, 
who just happened to have the FBI files land on his desk.
  My goodness, a detailee from the Defense Department becomes an 
opposition researcher, or vice versa, and 35 files become 900. Well, 
that is sort of miraculous but I think that there is even a better 
answer than thinking that this is a miracle, of how these things 
happen.
  If you remember, Bob, there was recently also what we have, and by 
the way, we would have none of this information except for the fact 
that the Republicans took control of this House and began to subpoena 
this information from the White House. If we would not be in control, 
this would have all been covered up, this arrogance of power, the fact 
that people have illegal possession of FBI files and have violated the 
privacy of people throughout Washington, DC and people throughout the 
country, in fact, political activists, and we have not gotten anywhere 
near the bottom of this yet. But we would not know this except for the 
fact that Republicans got this control and subpoenaed this information.
  Right after the Republicans took control of this body, the legal 
counsel's office at the White House did a study and they created what 
they call a task list. What it is, is what I call a blueprint for 
coverup. I think there is no other really more reasonable description 
of this list.

                              {time}  2145

  What it is, it was a list that was developed by the White House, and 
it basically said these are the areas of a potential scandal within the 
administration. That is what basically they were saying in this memo, 
this long memo. They tasked various people to look into and investigate 
all of the possible scandals.
  Now, this happened two years ago. This happened right after the 
Republicans took control of the House of Representatives, because the 
White House understood at that point they were vulnerable to being 
asked under oath questions and being subpoenaed.
  Who was on that list? Mr. Livingstone, the man in charge of the FBI 
files, had his hand on the FBI files, was on that list of potential 
scandals. Two years ago this White House asked people within the White 
House structure to go to Mr. Livingstone and look at this matter so 
they would be prepared to handle the scandal.
  Now, was their instructions after they interviewed Mr. Livingstone 
and after they developed the plan of how to handle this problem once it 
becomes problem, that there has been an abuse of problem, was part of 
the plan that the first statements to come out of the White House were 
to try to act, one, confused, like there were only 35 FBI files, or act 
confused that the President did not know, that maybe it was just a low 
level Defense Department detailee, as if the President did not know 
that it was really a opposition researcher who had been involved in 
major democratic political campaigns? Was this part of the plan that 
was developed by whoever it was in the White House, who was asked to go 
and see Mr. Livingstone?
  Well, we do not know that. But the public deserves to know, because 
they deserve to know when the President of the United States is 
speaking to them, whether or not the President of the United States is 
speaking truthfully, or whether he is involving himself in a straegy 
intentionally aimed at deceiving people.
  Now, when the President came to California and promised to help us 
stem the flood of illegal immigration, people took his word for it. And 
the fact that today we see that the President is threatening to close 
down the government unless we gut our immigration bill, well, some 
people in public office, I think all people in public office, deserve a 
little bit of leeway, and they deserve to be given the benefit of the 
doubt. It has happened a lot with this President, and I think it is 
becoming very difficult for people to give him the benefit of the 
doubt.
  We have seen it in the FBI scandal. But I will say this: When it 
comes to the liberal news media, they seem to have a ceaseless 
reservoir of patience and are giving the President the benefit of the 
doubt, time and time again. They do not even feel they have to follow 
through on many of these things we have talked about today, much less 
ask follow-up questions that would be done to any Republican, 
especially Newt Gingrich.
  So, with that said, I am pleased to be with you here tonight, because 
I know that Bob and I share Orange County together, and we have seen 
what has happened to Southern California because of this flood of 
illegal immigration. It is destroying the infrastructure of our State. 
It is a horrible, horrible burden, that people who have worked all of 
their lives, all of their lives, trying to build up a decent place for 
the Amercian people, for their children to live, and now they see it is 
all being destroyed because we do not have the courage to set the 
policies that will prevent foreigners from coming into our country. 
They may be good people, they may be very good people, but our 
allegiance, again, who are we here for? We are here to protect the 
interests of the American people.

  Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to engage in a 
colloquy, and Ace Duke Cunningham did not join us, but Ace of the 
Waves, Brian Bilbray, has joined us. We will hear from him in a second.
  Mr. ROHRABACHER. The best surfer in Congress. But, I might add, the 
second best surfer in Congress is here as well.
  Mr. DORNAN. That is true. It is not me. I am the 19th best, according 
to my grandkids. I am going to speak about the Chosin Reservoir in a 
few moments, because on POW day, September 20th, I had a press 
conference, I know you tried to make it, in the middle of Orange County 
in the Civic Center, beautiful World War I, for my dad, World War II, 
Korean and Vietnam memorial. The largest contingent that showed up 
were, and it is a wonderful play on words, the ``Chosin Few.'' Your dad 
is Marine, a retired colonel. I learned there were more Army guys 
trapped on one side of the big lake created by the Chosin Reservoir 
than there were Marines trapped on the eastern side. But I am going to 
read off the names.
  Mr. ROHRABACHER. I have to go now, because there is a radio 
interviewer waiting for me. If I could say this, my father, when I was 
young, who was a career military officer, told me many times of how he 
flew the generals and officers and enlisted men from the Chosin 
Reservoir back in his plane, across the Pacific, in order to bring them 
back to the United States after that incredible military action.
  Mr. DORNAN. Your dad, I know, was a fighter pilot. He also flew 
everything.
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fighter squadrons, but also two transport squadrons. He flew these 
fellows back, and there was one general, I remember him telling me 
about this conversation with this general, but that was something worth 
going into.
  Mr. DORNAN. Let me finish this commercial, and thank you, Dana, for 
joining me. I just want to let people know I will keep my promise to 
discuss about our great victory today, and I wanted to thank both of 
you, 404 to 0, for the MIA-POW Protection Act, to restore into law what 
has been law for almost a year, that was stripped out when Clinton 
signed the defense authorization bill on Tuesday. I wanted to talk a 
little bit about Korea.
  This report, and I showed this to you the other day, the transfer of 
U.S. Korean war prisoners to the Soviet Union, a heck of a way to end 
this year. Then McNamara, this book again, The Living and the Dead, our 
lost prisoners of war, sold down the river. I will put in the Record a 
shockingly, or not shockingly, a pridefully excellent piece by Bruce 
Neelon, of Time Magazine, a bad Xerox, the issue dated on September 30, 
a few days from now.
  And then I want to close out talking about the worst vote of the year 
in either Chamber, the vote to certify that Clinton is the abortion 
President, the first abortion President in our history, and aggressive, 
pro-abortion President. And I know that Chris Smith has said that many 
times from this mike, that mike, that mike, the lectern, so I do not 
anticipate any Parliamentarian thinking that is a personal attack. But 
Clinton has taken on all the Protestant bishops, Billy Graham, the 
Pope, Mother Theresa, every single cardinal in the world, almost every 
practicing Islamic person in the world, everybody who understands what 
the code of ethics of Buddhism, of Shintoism, Confucianism, it is just 
unbelievable this vote in the Senate.

  I will read some quotas from religious leaders about this. Some of 
them get pretty tough. My pal Jim Donaldson says we are afraid if we 
fail today, the judgment that will be wreaked upon this Nation. I know 
atheists hate to hear that. Tough. It is my time.
  Before we do that, Brian Bilbray of California was so good last 
night. I asked him to come back, because I did not know that you 
actually lived, Mr. Bilbray. Again, I ask unanimous consent to have a 
colloquy, with Mr. Bilbray, where you can see the border, where you 
feel Tijuana is a friendly town, where you have 5, 6, 7, 8 generation 
Hispanic Americans living in your county, beautiful San Diego, bigger 
county than mine, took the number 2 spot away from us, we are number 3 
in Orange County, we are identical cultures. We love our Hispanic 
culture. Our streets are named after beautiful Hispanic names. We put 
tile roofs on. We theme our whole southern part of the state, and all 
the way up through Monterey, we are proud of our Spanish heritage.
  But, please capture for a new audience some of the words you said 
last night about how this has nothing to do with individuals, it has to 
do with law and law breaking and fairness.
  Mr. BILBRAY. I appreciate the gentleman from California, and I want 
to first clarify that the gentleman from Huntington Beach who just left 
has to qualify as the Member of Congress who is improving in surfing 
faster than any other Member of Congress.
  Mr. DORNAN. He has a good coach, finally.
  Mr. BILBRAY. My stepfather actually was a PBY pilot, decorated in 
World War II. But when we talk about the border issue, I grew up along 
the border, as you know. It is part of our culture to be binational.
  In fact, I was mayor when I was 27 years old with a city that was 
sister cities with Tijuana. And we would constantly have that 
intercultural communication again and again.
  Mr. DORNAN. You were mayor of National City?
  Mr. BILBRAY. I was mayor of Imperial Beach. It is easy to find my 
hometown, if you know where the Pacific Ocean and where the Mexican 
border is. Where they meet is where I live.
  Mr. DORNAN. It is where Jonathan Winters starred in his movie, ``It's 
a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.''
  Mr. BILBRAY. It is a mad, mad world down there right now. The fact is 
those of us that live along the border, like I have, when I was a 
lifeguard, I rescued illegal aliens drowning. But what I have seen----
  Mr. DORNAN. Drowning trying to swim around the border fence?
  Mr. BILBRAY. They were actually trying to swim across the rivers. Now 
what happens is while there are floods going on, the cayotes, the 
smugglers, tell them swim across this body of water, and they do not 
realize how swift it is and how hard it is to make it across. There is 
debris in there. I have actually, when I was chairman of San Diego 
County, gone out with the lifeguards. They asked me to come help them 
because they needed somebody who was a lifeguard, who knew the area. I 
went out and rescued illegal aliens and put them on the skids of 
helicopters so we could pick them up and carry them off.
  Let me remind you, the Federal Government did not say anything about 
the expense of rescuing those people. Those of us in San Diego County 
paid for this expense. The thing that really shocked me was how many 
people did not make it? In one year, when I was chairman of the county, 
we spent over $30,000 sending people back to Mexico in body bags, 
$30,000 worth of dead people that were caused from the lack of control.
  So when people talk about----
  Mr. DORNAN. All of them drowning or from desert dehydration?
  Mr. BILBRAY. There were drowning, there were cliffs, they were 
running off cliffs. They still do it tonight, and they were killed on 
the highways. But just the County of San Diego, the taxpayers of one 
county had to pay $30,000 just to send people back. The most 
heartbreaking situations.
  So I am trying to come here to Washington to wake up this body, that 
this is a Federal responsibility. The Constitution says the people of 
San Diego and the people of California do not have the right to control 
the border. They do not have the right to enforce immigration law. By 
law, only the Federal Government has the right to do that. And you can 
hear people again and again in this hall talk about we need to hire 
more law enforcement, and we need to hire more teachers.
  Well, let me tell the gentleman from California, it does not take an 
act of Congress for a city like when I was mayor to hire a police 
officer. We can do that locally. It does not take an act of Congress 
for a school district to hire a teacher. But it takes an act of 
Congress and an act of the President to stop the carnage along our 
borders.
  If I have to say anything else, please, please be sensitive to the 
fact of how many people are dying in this situation. Over the last few 
years, and if you say 3 or 4 years, more people have died trying to 
cross into our country illegally than were killed in Oklahoma's 
explosion. And I wish this institution could have people stand up as 
outraged and infuriated about the terrorism along our border, as they 
said about Oklahoma. And it was right to be outraged about Oklahoma, 
but it is wrong for this institution or the President to ignore the 
problems along the border.
  The thing that really hit me----
  Mr. DORNAN. In less than a month, more people can die, good citizens, 
coming to North America for a dream, a percentage coming to rob cars, 
three cars stolen in L.A. in Orange County, and we found one of them on 
a hill in Tijuana only partially stripped. The chief of police in 
Tijuana called. It had congressional plates on it. They had not yet 
completely stripped it. It had an engine. I could drive it back. I 
repeat again the atrocity of Oklahoma City happens every 2 or 3 weeks.
  Mr. BILBRAY. It happened over the last few years. You have to 
recognize that that atrocity is happening today and continues to 
happen, while those of us in Washington fiddle, people today are 
driving off roads and crashing. I saw a brother and a sister, and these 
were not young kids, these are 15 and 16 year old brother and sister, 
trying to run across a freeway late at night, actually it was 
afternoon, following a smuggler. And what happens is the old and the 
young are usually in the back of these linings and there may be 30 
people running across a freeway. And the smuggler is in the front. And 
the poor people that are the slower, younger, older people in the back, 
and when you have seen what has happened when they get hit by a car, 
you have to say when will Washington wake up to the fact that this is a 
cruel hoax?

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  What we are doing is we are saying officially you are supposed to 
come into this country legally. But, but, if you come in here 
illegally, we will give your children free education, we will give you 
welfare benefits, we will give you health benefits. We will give you a 
world that you can only dream of where you are now.

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  And no wonder these people risk their life and play this game. We had 
a poor group of illegals that died within less than a mile of a 
hospital in Chula Vista, CA; died from exposure and thirst, sitting in 
a canyon. Within a mile. And this is supposed to be a great humane 
thing to do?
  So when somebody comes up here and says you are mean-spirited because 
you want to control illegal immigration, you are mean-spirited because 
you want to stop this carnage, all I can say is come in my neighborhood 
and see what is going on.
  Mr. DORNAN. What was the question that you asked Member Barney Frank 
of Massachusetts that sent him off into hyper-speed talk?
  Mr. BILBRAY. All I know is what is happening now is we have heard 
that the President's administrative aides are asking that a thing 
called title V be taken out of our immigration bill. And the title V 
section is the section where our hospitals in California and around the 
country that have to give emergency health care to illegal aliens will 
be reimbursed.
  It does not sound like a big thing. It is $375 million a year. And 
let us remember, these are not rich hospitals in wealthy neighborhoods 
that are impacted. These are poor neighborhoods. These are in 
neighborhoods of the working class.

  And we here in Washington and at the White House say we care about 
the working class. This is really the proof of the pudding. Do they 
care enough to send the resources to pay back to these people the cost 
of providing health care to people that were not supposed to be here 
and the Federal Government is responsible for?
  Let me tell you, the Federal Government and this administration is 
the biggest deadbeat dad in this country if they do not pay for this 
baby, if they do not pay for this expense, because it is coming out of 
the working class.
  Mr. DORNAN. So title V says it is a Federal failure to control our 
borders and, therefore, we all want to be merciful, but it is the 
Federal responsibility.
  Mr. BILBRAY. To pay the bill.
  Mr. DORNAN. Because they mandate this, another Federal mandate, to 
pay the bill.
  Mr. BILBRAY. To pay the bill. The other aspect is, when I operated, 
as chairman of San Diego County, I operated a welfare system that was 
larger than 32 States in the Union. Much larger than Arkansas.
  Mr. DORNAN. And more effective.
  Mr. BILBRAY. Our county actually started the concept of workfare back 
in 1977. Finally got to Washington. A little slow but we are moving.
  But the real thing here that comes down is that we are not allowed to 
ask people to prove that they are legal or illegal, because they say 
that that may be a violation of some kind of Federal regulation. And 
you run into the frustration of trying to make sure that illegal aliens 
are not coming into our country and getting these benefits.
  The American people I think strongly believe that those who are truly 
needy, those who are deserving, should be allowed to get benefits, but 
you do not reward somebody for breaking the law.
  And I need to really make sure I clarify for the American people. 
Where I live, when you look up on the hills at night, you see Tijuana. 
A million people living in Mexico that have never broken one of our 
laws.
  Mr. DORNAN. Big as Houston. Houston is a little over a million.
  Mr. BILBRAY. It is well over a million in Tijuana. They have never 
broken one law. They have not snuck across and broken our national 
sovereignty. There are a lot of children that would love to have a free 
education, a lot of people who would love to have free health care. 
They do not get it.
  But if they break the law, jump the fence, run down our freeways, 
swim across our rivers, then Washington says you have got to give them 
all these free services that the law-abiding citizens that are staying 
in Tijuana, in their own country, do not receive.
  Now, I went to a high school, it was interesting, and I always have 
to chuckle about this, I went to a high school where a lot of kids were 
from Mexico. They gave American addresses and we went back and forth. 
And the fact is those of us that were here in the States legally had to 
prove that we could not provide the resources to be able to pay for our 
health care. But if they perceive that you are here illegally, they 
automatically assume, do not worry, we will pay for it. That is wrong.
  It is wrong then American citizens and legal residents have to stand 
behind someone who has broken the law. It is wrong when somebody says I 
will sponsor, and here is the other part of title V, I will sponsor 
this person and make sure this person does not go on public assistance. 
And then when the person does go on public assistance, people walk away 
from that responsibility.
  I have to say this to you. The one thing I did not tell you, 
Congressman, is my mother was an Australian war bride. She was an 
immigrant. In fact, my family is very proud, and you may not know this, 
my family is very proud that my mother was the first Australian war 
bride to get her citizenship.
  Mr. DORNAN. Her name was not Sheila, was it? That is what they called 
all those beautiful war brides then.
  Mr. BILBRAY. Obviously, with a name like Mavis, she had to be from 
Australia. But the interesting thing: They met in General MacArthur's 
office.
  Mr. DORNAN. I have a MacArthur quote right in front of me.
  Mr. BILBRAY. The only Army man my father ever really appreciated. He 
was a Navy man.
  But getting back to the issue. What we are talking about is, I do not 
understand why the President and Mr. Panetta would hold up the 
continuation of Government operations because they want to bust up what 
is called title V, which has reimbursements for the health care; to 
those of us that need to be reimbursed for the health care of illegal 
aliens that says that those who want to sponsor people coming into this 
country have to be responsible for it. It says that those who come here 
illegally will not get the social benefits; that law-abiding American 
citizens should get the first priority when it comes to being provided 
Social Security.
  Mr. DORNAN. Social Security.
  Mr. BILBRAY. Social Security. You hear people say, what are we doing 
about Social Security? Maybe the one thing we should do is start 
talking about who is getting Social Security benefits. But the 
President and this administration think there is so much money to be 
able to be spent on health care, education, Social Security for 
everybody, even those who should not be here.
  Mr. DORNAN. Are they meeting as we speak at 10 o'clock?
  Mr. BILBRAY. They are meeting now, and I hope they work this out.
  Mr. DORNAN. Is the Speaker down at the White House?
  Mr. BILBRAY. I hear they are trying to work this out to have it ready 
for tomorrow. And we have to work together. This is key. We have to 
cross the aisle and make sure Democrats and Republicans work on this, 
because, frankly, I think the American people are fed up with the 
partisan fighting, and I think the President and Mr. Panetta think that 
somehow it is an advantage by trying to mess with this immigration 
bill. It is really sad.
  Mr. DORNAN. There is a handful of people who do want to circle the 
wagons, seal the country up, forget that we are a nation of immigrants, 
and I am tired of the liberal part of the news media going after them 
for quotes. They are not part of the debate.
  It is the average generous American who says I believe in the Statue 
of Liberty, I believe in the Golden Gate, ``Send us your tired, your 
poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free, the wretched 
refuge of your teaming shores. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost 
to me. I lift my lamp beside the door.''
  That was punishment from a nun in the sixth grade, but I love Emma 
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lawbreaking, and making a fool out of every Mexican who has decided he 
cannot stand the corruption and wants to be an American and does it 
legally. Every Ecuadorian, every Argentinian, every Tibetan.
  I was at your border in your district and they took and introduced me 
to two English-speaking Finns from Finland. And I said why not do it 
legally? ``Well, your border is so open down here, so porous, we just 
thought we would come through this way and stay a couple of years.''
  Mr. BILBRAY. I was on the House floor yesterday and a Member of 
Congress called me down because I said my cousin from Australia said, 
we hear you can just break your immigration law and then there is no 
problem.
  In Australia they have learned that if you fly to Tijuana and walk 
across the border, do not worry about it. You get in this country and 
you get more benefits if you break the rules than playing by the so-
called silly rulings.
  That really scares me. Can you imagine what the rest of the world 
thinks of this country when they think of immigration issues; when they 
think about what kind of country would not only allow but telegraph 
around the world to come break our laws and we will reward you? This is 
the greatest Nation in the world.
  Mr. DORNAN. There are 185 nations in the United Nations, 7 that are 
not, Switzerland by choice, a few islands, Tonga and Nauru and a few 
other island nations, and the Vatican City, which is not a member of 
the United Nations, but of the 185 nations in the United Nations and 
these 7 tiny countries, can you name one besides the United States that 
lets lawbreakers receive all the benefits of the country?
  Mr. BILBRAY. Let me name you one that does not. It is the Republic of 
Mexico. When I met with the Senators and Congressmen of Mexico, I held 
up our new immigration law and held up their immigration law. And I 
said where we are changing it is to make ours more like yours.
  And when they looked at it, they said you are right, you are making 
your law more reasonable.
  Mr. DORNAN. I have to reclaim my time.
  Mr. BILBRAY. Let me just tell you what Australians say, though. When 
my cousin stood up at the border and stood up and watched 135 illegals 
run by us----
  Mr. DORNAN. Where is he from?
  Mr. BILBRAY. He is from Brisbane. Queensland. He stood up and said, 
and this is a passivist, he said you are the greatest military power, 
the greatest strongest Nation in the world. You go all over the world 
to defend other people's borders and you cannot even defend your own.
  And I said, Jim, that is not the crime; that is not the sin. The 
crime and the sin is not that we cannot, but we choose not to.
  Mr. DORNAN. Wow. Mr. Bilbray you were as eloquent tonight as last 
night, and I hope all of America on Saturday clicks on C-SPAN. I hope 
the great Mac Collins of Georgia is in the Chair and that we have 
America watching a merciful, fair, reasonable debate tomorrow if the 
White House digs in their heels and tries to demagog this issue and 
find people in uniforms or children to grind into the mix and keep 
hitting us with this destruction of the English language, calling us 
extremists and radicals who want fairness and low-respecting people to 
file and come here as our brothers.
  Mr. Bilbray, do you not love, did you not love, as the mayor of a 
small city and the chairman of San Diego County, did you not love to go 
to ceremonies and get a lump in your throat watching new American 
citizens, by choice, get sworn in? It is the best way I can spend the 
Fourth of July.

  We always do it on the Fourth of July in Orange County. I love it. I 
think they are all wonderful law-abiding citizens who learn our 
Constitution, learn what we say every morning, the Pledge of Allegiance 
to the Flag. They answer civics questions better than most high school 
students.
  Mr. BILBRAY. In fact, let me tell you a story. An old, old friend of 
mine, a newscaster in San Diego, Maria Velazquez.
  Mr. DORNAN. I know her.
  Mr. BILBRAY. And she was there doing a reporter's job about these 
citizens becoming the new U.S. citizens. One of them was her mother. 
And she came up to me and said, my mother is so proud. Not because she 
just passed the test, but she did it in English because she wanted to 
be mainstream American.
  And you could see in Maria's eyes, someone who has lived her whole 
life here, that lump in her throat. She was so proud of her mother 
wanting be mainstream American and proud to be an American. And that is 
what it is all about.
  Mr. DORNAN. We will fix some of that language silliness next year. We 
touched on it some this year, but it is going to take a conservative, 
thoughtful, heartful Congress doing it, and we will do it.
  Thank you, Mr. Bilbray.
  Mr. BILBRAY. Thank you very much.
  Mr. DORNAN. I am going to do my tribute to the chosen few, and then 
the pro-life closing statement for me, and there is another gentleman 
who will get to close out the last special order, probably, unless 
something goes wrong tomorrow and this whole immigration thing blows up 
in our face. Because it is all being played for politics down at Foggy 
Bottom.
  The men who showed up at the memorial in Santa Ana, CA, the chosen 
few, the ones who made it back, wanted me to read the names. They gave 
me these beautiful documents, I will hold it up for camera six, the 
battle stars. In the case of these men they have five battle stars on 
their Korean ribbon. I am a Korea veteran, an era veteran, but I did 
not set foot on Korea until after the war, so I cannot wear the U.N. 
colors of the beautiful Korean ribbon.
  But, first, I want to read these words of General MacArthur, who Mr. 
Bilbray's father admired. And my father was a boxing coach in the 1928 
Olympics, and General MacArthur, as an Army four-star, led the Olympic 
team to Holland in 1928.
  General MacArthur said at the end of World War II, ``Spiritual 
strength and power has brought us through to victory. Our men are 
homeward bound. Take care of them.''
  Take care of them. Five years later men started getting captured by 
the company, by the battalion, when the Chinese troops poured across 
the Yalu River, and we had almost liberated, under MacArthur, all of 
Korea.
  Take care of them. One of the witnesses in front of my committee, 
quoted here in Time magazine, Col. Philip Corso, said, ``We sold them 
down the river.'' General MacArthur was still alive. He lived until my 
birthday in 1964, when he went to his reward, well advanced in years, 
in his late eighties. And I am sure that he knew we had left the young 
men captured under him because a cabal, British traitors, Burgess, 
Maclean, Philby and Alan Blout, ``The Fourth Man'', the great movie 
with Sir Anthony Hopkins, those people betrayed all of our top secrets. 
Told the Chinese that Harry Truman was crippled and frozen in his 
thinking now on Korea; that if they came across, we would never respond 
or even bomb the bridges on the Chinese side of the Yalu.

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  So it cost these men their lives: Thomas E. Seward, same spelling as 
one of Lincoln's Cabinet members who bought Alaska, Thomas E. Seward, 
Greensville, VA, born 1930, all of these men and only 2 or 3 years 
older than I am, as my older brother said, a year younger than my older 
brother. U.S. Army private first class, gives his serial number, killed 
in action November 28, 1950, fighting the Chinese. We had already 
whipped the North Korean agressor army.
  Alfred Underbaggage, Shannon, SD, born 1928, Army sergeant, killed in 
action, 29 November. Harry C. Sutton, this is all at the Chosin 
Reservoir on the Army side of the struggle, Hartford, CT, born 1922, 
these are one of the old men in their early 30's that the younger guys 
called Pappy or Doc or a lifer, U.S. Army master sergeant, killed in 
action, December 1, sad Christmas in the Sutton house; Connie M. 
Conner, Irish Connie, a male Connie, LA, CA, born just 2 years ahead of 
me, U.S. Army corporal, died while prisoner of war, December 6, 1950. 
Top kick. U.S. Army Sfc. Billy James Allen, Norton, KS, born 1921, 
killed in action December 6. All of these are in the same unit. Doyle 
L. Smith, born 1931, U.S. Army corporal, died of

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wounds while missing in action, this is one of the ones left behind, 
the 1,200 of which 5- or 6-, 7-, 900 were left behind, the wounded and 
the ones with amputations or mental trauma from torture and exposure. 
Clyde E. McElroy, Montgomery, PA, born 1930. I wish I could do this in 
front of the Congress on the exact 46th anniversary next month or in 2 
months. He was born 1930, Clyde McElroy, corporal, died of wounds while 
missing in action, December 6. Harold L. Hodge, Adams, WI, born 1922, a 
captain, killed in action, December 6, 1950, 28-year-old young captain. 
Beverly E. Russell, Frederick, VA, born 1930, corporal, died of wounds 
while missing in action, what a tragedy. Let me show that report again, 
Mr. Speaker. The transfer of U.S. Korean war POW's to the Soviet Union, 
suppressed from the families after 3 years. It is an August 26, 1993 
report.
  I used the word ``beg'' twice on the floor today, my staff tells me, 
my wife tells me. It is kind of sad, after 20 years I have to beg my 
Speaker to put the MIA-POW Protection Act, restoring into law what the 
families want into the CR, the appropriations continuing resolution, or 
any one of the Senators can blackball it, one human being, as though 
they in and of themselves are a parliament. Strange way the Senate has 
evolved. I had some scholars tell me today it was not meant to be that 
way, 100 independent people blocking a House vote of 404 to zero.
  Mr. Speaker, last night I mentioned some books on the floor. It is up 
to 12 now on Clinton: ``On the Make,'' Meredith Oakley; ``The Agenda,'' 
Bob Woodward; First in His Class, meaning a baby boomer to get power, 
he never graduated first in his class in anything academically; 
``Inside the White House,'' as the Brits would say, it is poor form, it 
is unseemly to use foul language in front of the help and to throw 
things at one another in front of the help, that is a fascinating book; 
then a book called ``Clinton,'' by George Carposi, who now has a 
fascinating article out that Ross Perot was in collusion with Hillary 
Clinton even before the election to socialize medicine in this country. 
I will call Ross to see if there is any truth in George Carposi Jr.'s 
article, but he did the definitive reporting in the book, ``Clinton, 
the Confidential Story.'' He really found all the mysteries and exposed 
them on the Prague-Moscow trip. ``Blood Sport,'' James T. 
Stewart, hired by the Clintons to kind of blow away the whole 
Whitewater thing. Like Joe McGinnis writing about the Green Beret, Dr. 
McDonald who killed his family, he switched in the middle of it when he 
looked at the evidence and changed his mind completely, James Stewart's 
``Blood Sport.''

  Then next to come out in order was ``Primary Colors''. We now know it 
is by Joe Klein. Then came ``The Choice'' by Woodward again. Then came 
``Boy Clinton'' Bob Turow, Jr. who publishes American Spectator. Then 
``Unlimited Access'' comes out. Then came ``Partners in Power,'' page 
325, which gave its name to book number 12 by Floyd Brown, a ``Nose 
like a Vacuum,'' yes, ``Nose like a Vacuum.'' There they are, 12 books.
  If any American reads one of them and they are thinking of voting for 
Clinton, they will pause. They probably will not, but if they read 2, I 
do not know any American who can read 2 or 3 of these 12 books that 
would not either abstain, if they cannot stomach voting for a war hero 
like Bob Dole, or they would start supporting Bob Dole and then support 
their local Democrats for other offices maybe. But this is amazing.
  I will close with this tonight. The debate on partial birth abortion. 
I dedicate the closing 5 minutes to my wife, Sally. She begged me to 
point out the ignominious way this Congress closed with these debates 
on infanticide.
  My wife said, call Kevorkian what he is, a serial killer, a serial 
murderer. Euthanasia is Greek for death with dignity. He is a serial 
killer. Any abortionist is a first degree serial murderer if he gives 
birth to a baby, breach block, which is a distressful situation, and 
takes out 80 percent of the body, holds the baby's head and stabs it in 
the back of the head, murdering it while he is looking at the arms and 
legs flailing.
  I will ask unanimous consent to put all of these James Dobson, Paul 
Weyrich, stunning quotes in this, you could not hear a pin drop in the 
Senate and a baby screamed from the hall. Everyone was silent for about 
30 seconds.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without objection, according to the rules of 
the House.
  There was no objection.
  Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Chair.

       And then, impossibly, in an already hushed gallery, in one 
     of those moments when the floor of the Senate looks like a 
     stage set, with its rich wooden desks somehow too small for 
     the matters at hand, the cry of a baby pierced the room, 
     echoing across the chamber from an outside hallway.
       No one mentioned the cry, but for a few seconds no one 
     spoke at all.
                                                                    ____

       I truly fear that infanticide--legal infanticide--will not 
     be far behind,'' said the archbishop of Philadelphia, 
     Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua. ``No nation, no civilization 
     that loses its moral life, that murders its children, can 
     possibly survive.''
                                                                    ____

       A nation which sanctions infanticide is no better than 
     China, Colson said, no better than Nazi Germany.
                                                                    ____

       If it seemed the language could not get hotter, it did: 
     Standing in the antechamber, of Majority Leader Trent Lott's 
     office; in the very room where senators cast 34 ballots 
     before choosing Thomas Jefferson over Aaron Burr for 
     president, the Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, a prominent 
     Catholic writer and pastor, said, ``It is not hyperbole to 
     say that we are at a point at which millions of conscientious 
     American citizens are reflecting upon whether this is a 
     legitimate regime. That is the solemn moment we have 
     reached.''

  Mr. STUPAK. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman asked for unanimous consent. I 
stand to object if the gentleman is going to put that extraneous 
material into the Record.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Collins of Georgia). The gentleman's 
objection is untimely.


                         Parliamentary Inquiry

  Mr. STUPAK. Mr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary inquiry.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state it.
  Mr. STUPAK. Mr. Speaker, the Chair indicated that the extraneous 
material which is proposed to be put into the Record would be in 
accordance with the rules of the House; is that correct?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. That is correct.
  Mr. STUPAK. In particular, it would be in accordance with the rules 
of the House, in particular rules XVII and XVIII concerning Special 
Orders and the insertion, if I may quote from the footnotes thereafter, 
a Member may not read or put forth extraneous material critical of 
Members, and it goes on to include the President or the Presidential 
family. Would that be a correct parliamentary inquiry as to the wishes 
or the directions of the Chair?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. It would be in accordance to all rules of 
the House, particularly in reference to clause (1) of rule XIV of the 
rules of the House, avoiding personalities.
  Mr. STUPAK. With that direction from the Chair, I will withdraw any 
objection I may have.
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