[Congressional Record Volume 142, Number 135 (Thursday, September 26, 1996)]
[House]
[Pages H11387-H11392]
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                 FOLLOW THE MONEY AND LOOK AT THE NOSE

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of May 
12, 1995, the gentleman from California [Mr. Dornan] is recognized for 
60 minutes.
  Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, if the gentlewoman wants to bid a fond 
farewell to the gentleman from Louisiana, Cleo Fields, I would yield to 
her, if I may do it first.
  It has been an honor serving with you, sir, and I am glad they did 
not roast you tonight.
  But I would gladly yield some time to the gentlewoman, also a 
distinguished Portia, a barrister and a lawyer in her own right of some 
standing.


             continuing tribute to congressman cleo fields

  Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for his 
kindness and his collegiality this evening, for this is a special 
occasion, and I will not be long. I respect the Speaker and the time 
that is allotted to the gentleman.
  Being in my office, as the waning hours of this session and this 
104th Congress came to a close, I could not allow this evening to close 
out without my recognition of a friend, a legislator, an extremely able 
American, and that is in the name of Cleo Fields.
  It is interesting, coming in as a freshman and working with my 
senior, the honorable Cleo Fields. He was a very good teacher. He is a 
lawyer by training, he is a legislator, but over the time that we have 
had an opportunity to work together, what I notice most about him is 
that he does not take up causes. He has avocations or he takes up 
issues which are filled with compassion.
  I have watched him in his continuous efforts to have Americans 
recognize the need for not only educating our children but housing our 
children in the right infrastructure and a structure to allow them to 
learn.
  I view Cleo Fields not only as a friend but as a friend of his 
constituents, a friend of Louisiana, and a friend of this country. As a 
young man he is someone who understands working families. I have 
watched him in women's issues be just as passionate about the needs and 
rights of women. I have watched him talk about, passionately, the 
opportunities for your college students and the need for a fair and 
just affirmative action.
  I have watched him come to the floor continuously to talk about 
helpless babies who are in need of Head Start, school lunches, and, as 
well, who are in need of opportunities which he said he would have 
never had if the doors had not been open to him.
  I spoke with him about his future, and in his own humble way he never 
offered to say that I expect to go on and slay a dragon.

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  I think what he said to me is that he will be back, that he wanted to 
continue to be a humble servant he wanted to continue to serve people. 
His proudest moment, as I have been able to recollect, is the birth of 
his son and, with his loving wife, I have watched that young man, now 
that I call him, though he is under 2 years old, grow in the love of 
his father.
  The first days of the birth of his son, we were always kept apprised 
of his growth, the interesting things that he would be doing, the late 
nights that I understand that he was a good sleeper, but his father 
loves him and loved him and you could always see that relationship even 
as this young baby is growing up.
  I really come to the floor to simply say that my friend, you will be 
missed, but you have claimed a place in our hearts and the minds of the 
American people. You have claimed a place by simply saying that I am a 
fighter for just causes. I will not do it in anger. I will do it 
forcefully.
  Along with colleagues who joined you on the floor tonight, along with 
your colleague and friend, Jesse Jackson, Jr. who I heard describe the 
friendship and both your aspirations and wonderment about being in this 
place, we are better for it. This Congress is better. This Nation is 
better. I, for one, will certainly ask you to keep the light burning, 
to let us hear your voice resounding, for there are many great things 
in store for the Honorable Cleo Fields, for the 21st century is yet to 
open its doors to your bright mind and what you have to offer this 
country.
  Partisan comments at this point certainly, and I will recognize the 
gentleman, are not appropriate, for I think, as my colleague from 
California has noted, he has enjoyed serving with you. So this is a 
bipartisan farewell, to say to you that all of us collectively will 
look forward again to the activism, the light, the message, the word of 
Cleo Fields, a great citizen of the State of Louisiana and a great 
American. God bless you.
  I thank the gentleman from California.
  Mr. DORNAN. Just remember the words of a great, if not the greatest 
American general, I shall return. Jesse Jackson will be here waiting 
for you.


                            the saddest day

  Mr. Speaker, I was glad to give up those few minutes, I have 42\1/2\ 
minutes left. I want to try and cram 2 special hours into that. As I 
said earlier, the title for my overall special order, which I am going 
to say later, does not apply to this first part which I would call, the 
saddest day in my 20 years on Capitol Hill. That is today.
  Today I was told, without a direct phone call, what we still have 
here, as they said in the movie, is a failure to communicate, Cool Hand 
Luke, I was told today, after I had already sent out thank you notes to 
the Speaker and others for getting the POW missing in action protection 
act back into law within a few days by tomorrow by putting it in the 
continuing resolution. This is different. This is not authorizing 
language on an appropriations bill. Clinton signed it into law.
  The Bob Dole, Ben Gilman, Lautenberg POW-MIA language that POWs and 
concerned citizens who have worked with them for 20, 25 years 
circulated on this hill for two decades and Clinton signed it into law 
in February 10, and one human being at the north end of this building, 
gutted it out and referred to people like myself, who have given more 
than months, years of their life, 8 trips to Vietnam in my own case 
while the war was going on, narrating while the brother of a U.S. 
Senator, sitting Senator now, while his younger brother was in POW 
clothing in a cage in Pershing Square for 2 days to make the case of 
what was happening to his brother at the ugly nonmercy of the 
Communists in Hanoi, and I narrated it, traveling around, getting 
people on. I create the cover of a Life magazine in November 1972, with 
a Navy hero on it, Ron Dodge, whose remains were finally returned years 
after I pushed the file at the Vietnamese in Hanoi and had the honor of 
going to his funeral at Arlington, to have one person at the north end 
of this building call me and others a hobbyist, this is

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not a hobby for me. This is a gut-wrenching issue.
  Twelve hundred Americans left behind in Korea, at least three that I 
can name off, Air Force Captain Earl, known by his friends and his 
family as Glen Cobeil, C-O-B-E-I-L; Kenneth Cameron, another naval 
officer, James J. Connell, these men were beaten into a mental state, 
but recoverable, especially for two out of the three, they could have 
recovered. And the association of a loving wife Patty and son Jeffrey 
and a daughter could have even, I believe, brought Glen Cobeil out of 
this catatonic state that his torture masters had beaten him into. They 
were left behind under a Republican President, Nixon, left behind to be 
executed or rot and die because the Vietnamese Communists, the same 
ones in power right now, the two Senators stood by Clinton's side as we 
normalized relations with them, those same leaders murdered these men, 
allowed them to be murdered by Cubans and other guardsmen, pounding on 
them in savage medieval torture. They were left behind.

  Abandoned, hundreds abandoned in Korea, hundreds of air crewmen 
captured in the spy planes around the periphery of the evil empire, 
abandoned. Thousands of Americans with Ukrainian and Slavic and Serbian 
and Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian last names, abandoned.
   It is a pattern in every war that we have had with Communism that we 
have abandoned men on the battlefield. So after this was signed into 
law on February 10, the same erosion process started that gutted, by a 
handful of people in another legislature, not this one, not this body, 
they gutted out my law that was to take effect August 10, that if you 
had a permanently permanent, nonreversible by medicine or surgery, a 
permanently permanent condition that through conduct kept you from 
being combat trainable or deployed overseas or you were jerked 
overseas, retrained into some healthy young man of woman's job and they 
were fired out of the military, that they would be honorably discharged 
on August 10, and two lame duck people at north end of the building 
demanded from my leadership here that they take the Dornan law out of 
Public Law. And it worked for them in May.
  So what was signed into law February 10 came out and we now have 
about 900 people on active duty who have a fatal venereal disease 
called the AIDS HIV virus. And they are restricted here to the 
Continental United States. And they are not combat trainable and they 
are not deployable. And we had to retrain most of them in other jobs. 
They have medical appointments all year long, and $10,000 to $30,000 
worth of drugs. They are in experimental programs. They would all be 
taken care of beautifully in the VA, in some cases the same hospitals. 
And that was stripped out of law.
  Now it has happened again. This week, when the President, when 
Clinton signed the defense authorization, out came the Dornan POW law 
that was actually, as I said, the Dole-Gilman-Lautenberg POW protection 
law supported by a 7-year Hanoi POW, a hero, Sam Johnson of Dallas, TX, 
spent half of his captivity in solitary confinement in a stinking 
little hole called Alcatraz where they put 11 of the toughest. Pete 
Peterson, who is leaving this Chamber, worked out with me, in a fair 
compromise, a burden on CINCs, combat commanders in the field, and took 
out the major objection of one human being in this town.

  And then I put this bill together and got 272 original cosponsors, 
including Mr. Mica sitting in the chair, a House record for 20 years, 
272 original cosponsors, when I dumped in, honorably placed it in the 
bill hopper, introducing it on August 2. Then we picked up 30 more 
people. Democrats came forward, our one independent, Bernie Sanders. 
When we were through, we almost had 300 cosponsors. I asked my chairman 
of national security, give me a hearing on this.
  We had a special hearing, and the ranking Democrat, Ron Dellums, and 
every Democrat in the hearing came on board. Ten before we voted asked 
to be cosponsors. And we got a vote, Duncan Hunter got a vote, 49 to 0.
  And my leadership, breaking promises today, would not put it in the 
continuing resolution. So I said, give me a stinking suspension, will 
you, tomorrow? So we are going to debate it on the House. Those people 
who track this House by electronic means will not understand a 
suspension, but it means you have to get two-thirds. And we will get 
that in a breeze in this House. But any suspension going over to the 
other body this late in the year, one Senator, because that is a body 
of 100 single legislators, each one is a lone force and only takes one 
person to blackball it.
  I am told it is dead even if it goes out of here unanimously. This is 
wrong. This is a betrayal of the POW-MIA families. This is a travesty. 
This is my saddest day here in 20 years. I am not a hobbyist. I cannot 
believe this. Some people are not up for election in 1996. They are in 
1998. I will not forget this. I will not forget banking scandals. I 
will not forget anything. I am not going to let this sit.
  There is one salvation, Mr. Speaker. Our great rules chairman, a 
marine, proud marine, Jerry Solomon, if my Speaker is going to keep his 
word to me, Jerry Solomon can vote out a rule right up there on the 
third floor of the Committee on Rules. We can put this on that CR. The 
Dole campaign, his great young campaign manager, Scott Reed called the 
leader of the Senate today, the leader of the Senate is with me in 
heart and in mind and said, do it. It is hurting the Dole campaign. It 
is hurting the Republican contender for the presidency of the United 
States, who served 38 years his people as a 100 percent disabled vet.

  This is his law, his language, he and Mr. Gilman in this Chamber 
carried this. Do not hurt his campaign. Do not upset these POW 
families. Now the Korean families are suffering because we know we left 
behind 500 wounded and amputees and mentally hurt people because of the 
horrible conditions in the hell like North Vietnamese Communist camps. 
They are hurting now. They are going to go to sleep crying theirselves 
to sleep, sons and daughters, their late 40's, early 50's, because one 
human being, one contradicts 300 people over here, 49 to 0 on national 
security and easily two-thirds tomorrow in a suspension.
  Where is the leadership here? Where is the leadership? Is tomorrow 
going to be a day of betrayal at the end of the day when one human 
being crushes my 20 years of activity on this hill, 40 years, 43 years 
of studying this issue since it was introduced to me as a young pre-
cadet at Williams Air Force base when Army psychiatrists told us young 
Air Force cadets about the brainwashing and the torture and the 
prisoners, when I have gotten the documents out of the Eisenhower 
Library, when I have looked up Life magazines on four F-86 pilots left 
behind for 2 years on Jack Arnold's B-28 crew where they kept behind 
the two young radar guys, when I have had 2 years, the last 2 years, I 
am a hobbyist, a stinking hobbyist. Is that what I am called by a Naval 
officer whose father I loved, whose grandfather was a legend in the 
Navy? No, no. This does not sit.
  Bob Dole himself, Mr. Speaker, for every veteran in this country from 
whom he properly asked loyalty, must call himself to the leader of the 
United States Senate and say, control your troops and get the Dole 
language that has been law since February 10 and out of law for the 
last 72 hours, get it back into law tomorrow night. Let these POW and 
MIA families, who are naturally inclined toward a pro-military strong 
anti-Communist, strong pro-family party, get behind our nominee.
  What a sad day. What a travesty. The fight is on. I will not forget. 
I am coming back here next year. This sends me home for 39 days 
tomorrow to fight harder than I have ever fought in my life, to retake 
my chairmanship on military personnel and move from 8 years on the 
intelligence committee, and what revelations I am finding out about 
Communism in the last week, so I can work it as a top secret cleared 
Congressman with the knowledge on how to get this information that is 
so precious to us representatives of the people here. I know how to get 
it now.

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  And I will probably move to the Government Reform Committee. My 
leadership is going to have a lot to make up for me for a lot of double 
talk stripping out Dornan public law. I told my leadership this is not 
a question of embarrassing me in my district, but you will. It is not a 
question of making me look like I do not have the support of my 
leadership, but it will. It is a question of the honor of the 
Republican

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Party, the Grand Old Party, born out of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln, 
and that horrible blood letting of brother against brother.
  The honor of this party demands that they back up Bob Dole in his 
language in his presidential race and use any vehicle they can to get 
around one single human being arrogantly blackballing this. The honor 
of the Pow's left behind demands this, the honor of every American that 
may have been experimented on in some stinking Czech-built hospital in 
North Korea, that the tragedy of what we have done leaving American 
warriors behind wounded and crying and saying I am from the strongest 
country in the world that won World War II for the world, and I am 
being left behind to rot in Communist brutality. Now we have game 
playing, talking about problems for commanders in chief that has 
already been resolved by a former Democrat POW, 6 years and 7-year 
horribly tortured POW on this side of the aisle, Peterson and Sam 
Johnson.
  Now, something else happened to me today. Besides meeting a young man 
who told me he was corrupted here as a page on the elevator in one of 
the Rayburn buildings, said it cost him 2 years of school and finally 
he is getting out of the university late. I also saw Clinton come to 
the Longworth Office Building, so I thought I would stand in the hall, 
ask him about tampering with a grand jury system by telegraphing pardon 
messages through the media, specifically through PBS on Jim Lehrer's 
show. Got the transcript here from the Wall Street Journal. It is 
unbelievable. Outrageous is what it is. It is just what the Wall Street 
Journal calls it.
  So I am standing there and out comes that battered wife, George 
Stephanopoulos. That is what Bob Woodward of Watergate Woodward and 
Bernstein fame, naval officer, Robert Woodward wrote: George 
Stephanopoulos is like a battered wife. The volcanic eruptions come out 
of the man's head with lava flowing all over George, and he is treated 
like a battered wife. I did not see whose head; the man.
  So here comes the battered wife, and he comes up and said what are 
you doing. You going to talk through the man?
  I will insert ``the man'' a lot tonight.
  And I said, ``Oh, just wanted to find out about jury tampering, 
telegraphing messages through media interviews and tampering with 
witnesses that are at this moment going before the grand jury in Little 
Rock.''
  He says OK.
  He runs back into the Ways and Means room, a whole operation is 
organized. I saw the secret service smiling. I saw the Capitol police 
laughing. We saw the advance men talking in their little hand mikes, 
and I cost hundreds of people, I guess, 10 or 15 minutes as they had to 
run an operation kind of like the Bowery boys, you know playing 24 A, 
the diversion, to fake me out, and it worked. Got to give it to him.
  But they had to announce to the entire press corps, the AP camera 
man, the Washington Post: Look, here comes the President, everybody--
actual word out of advancement: all the press look this way.
  So of course I looked that way, too, and we are all looking, and 
behind me comes Al Gore, Vice President, and the man, and up to the 
microphone. I turn around, I said, ``Well done, guys.''
  But he will get his day in court. I was going to remind him that 
Paula Corbin Jones had her day in court and he will have his day in 
court because I am filing impeachment papers. I have got lawyers 
working on them and have been for about 5 or 6 months, and this may be 
the crowning issue, this may be the straw on the camel's back, 
telegraphing pardon messages to people. It is unbelievable.
  So I stood there, and I looked, and the first thing that came in my 
mind was baby boomers in power, and the second thing came to my mind 
were the words of Maureen Dowd about the scenes on sacred Omaha Beach, 
that hallowed territory, that hallowed sand where so many Americans 
died, a thousand in few hours there in Utah Beach on the gorgeous coast 
of Normandy, France. And I thought of Maureen Dowd, New York Times 
reporter, her words: The prepubescent yuppies running around serving 
the man.
  Well, listen to this, Mr. Speaker. Seven pounds of heroin were found 
in the nose cone of an Air Force One aircraft taking the President to 
the U.N. in New York from Bogota, Colombia. The President in this case 
is Ernesto Samper, the man whose Presidency is collapsing in Bogota, 
Colombia, a nation which drug users in this country have helped to 
destroy, particularly cocaine users. They have helped to destroy it.

  When you see somebody with a big red bulbous nose and doctors tell me 
it is not allergies; that makes your eyes water. The nose only swells 
from alcohol or from tearing up your nasal passages with cocaine. When 
you see that, you will know that that is a person who has caused--Nancy 
Reagan had it right, just say no--who has caused a thousand young 
police officers to be killed in Colombia in the last year, calendar 
year 1995. This year we are running ahead of a thousand young men.
  The head of the police force down there came to my office, speaks 
pretty good English, he told me that he asked these young boys to go to 
mass every morning or to Protestant services because they may see Jesus 
before the sun goes down or during that night. Gun battles over two-
thirds of all the main police headquarters; it is kind of a Federal 
police. It is as though our FBI wore uniforms and had street duty 
instead of just investigative duties, and they are dying because people 
want to trip out up here on cocaine, because coke powder snows on 
Hollywood and snows on some of the elite and some of the not so 
wealthy, the crack cocaine in some of the poor areas of this country. 
Thousands of young Federal police officers in Colombia die, and now 
they have a President taking--it is alleged--narco money. Now this may 
have been planted on his plane, but the evidence is pretty tough that 
during his presidential campaign that money was coming in.
  Well, so much for that President. How about another President in the 
free world? Another President? There is more books written on him than 
I have ever seen. How about this book by Roger Morris? Partners in 
Power.
  Listen to this, Partners in Power: Much bigger in scope then Blood 
Sport. That was the book by Robert T. Stewart. Blood Sport. And 
considered more devastating in its frank revelations.
  I am going to read some of the clips from this book. I will not have 
time to read clips from this book. I will not have time to read clips 
from this book; it is--Boy is the title, and then the name of a 
President in the free world, Boy something, the political biography by 
R. Emmett Tyro, Jr.
  Remember when I came to the floor with all the books that are still 
down in my car, and I was too tired to carry them all up here. On the 
Make, by Meredith Oakley; The Agenda, by Bob Woodward; The Choice, by 
Bob Woodward; Inside the White House, by David Meredith, where the help 
talks about dialog in front of the cooks and the servants and the 
valets, those that were not fired. Blood Sport; Unlimited Access, the 
conservative action group here, CAT we call ourselves. I wish we called 
ourselves Tiger and were a little more effective around here since we 
are a majority within a majority. Why do we get trashed all the time by 
the lunch bunch? Blood Sport; Unlimited Access.
  Here are the new ones. Boy Clinton. And Partners in Power.
  Mr. Speaker, an important footnote here. I am not just reading about 
the man. Here is a book that just had to be written by the most evil 
person I have ever seen in public service, and it is a race now to see 
who is going to get that title by Election Day. This is about Robert, 
whose mother's maiden name was truly Strange--somebody asked me is it 
not cruel to call him Robert Strange McNamara. That is his name, Robert 
Strange McNamara. The Living and the Dead. An ex-seminarian, Paul 
Hendrickson, writes the definitive book, praised by the liberals at the 
Washington Post, praised by the conservatives at the Washington Times.
  Listen to this.
  The Living and the Dead, Robert McNamara, and five lives of a lost 
war, and I remember two of them. I remember the pictures by Bob Capra 
and Larry--from another war--and Larry Burroughs from Vietnam. Knew my 
brother Don, who was a photographer. Been in some tough spots.

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  Remember David Halverson's book, The Best and the Brightest, in 1972, 
a devastating portrait of McNamara? Halverson said he was a callous, 
arrogant technocrat who made one catastrophic error after another, 
blindly enthralled to his own qualifications and calculations, 
compounded the error by brusquely ignoring or suppressing any arguments 
or dissent.
  Well, The Best and the Brightest has been topped by The Living and 
the Dead. One story is the tale of Yankee Papa 13, a marine H-34 
Choctaw helicopter. They had a whole exhibit to it in the helicopter 
section at the Air and Space Museum. I hope they bring it back. I do 
not think it is there now. But this book sets the record straight on a 
war criminal named Robert Strange McNamara.

  But I would beg people to buy this and not read it until after 40 
days have gone by. Save this book after the election, when we either 
contemplate that we have a new President who is a 100-percent disabled 
American vet and a war hero who is a bridge to a future.
  As my young son--not so young anymore, father of three, but as my son 
Bob Junior keeps saying, Dad, get Bob Dole to say Back to the Future. 
The young people will understand that. It was a successful movie. We 
cannot get to the future without going back to the treasured values 
that made this country so strong.
  Mr. Speaker, you heard me say the other day that in a few months we 
pass 266 million Americans. This is not rocket science. This is pretty 
simple math. Cut 266 in half, and you get 133. That is how many million 
Americans there were when Pearl Harbor was struck, 133 million, and 
here we are exactly double that by Christmas time. Could we accomplish 
what we did in 3--less than 3 years and 5 months driving an evil 
demonic Adolph Hitler to suicide in 3 years and 5 months. Could we do 
that with a country that looks like it did at the Louisiana war games 
with bread trucks for tanks, tank written in cardboard on the side and 
Lt. Col. Ike Eisenhower trying to recall his World War I memories down 
there? I think we can. I think we have only got maybe 5-10 percent of 
this country that went bonkers and maybe a third of the baby boomers 
and the drug sexual promiscuity the last 30 years that grew out of the 
mid-sixties. I do not know. I think we could do it again, but we are 
going to have to go back to the future.
  So when George, excuse me, another war hero, when Bob Dole talks 
about a bridge and people make a play on his words and make a joke out 
of it, I do not see any role models right now for young America in the 
drug category.
  I do not have time to read the review on the Boy book, but let me 
read first the opening of the Wall Street Journal editorial today and 
then ask unanimous consent to put it in the Record in its fulsome 
detail and then Out To Get The Clintons, this interview with Clinton on 
PBS News Hour with Jim Lehrer on the 23d. This is opening paragraph:
  In some extraordinary statements Monday Clinton stoked Susan 
McDougal's hopes of a presidential pardon and stepped up the White 
House campaign against the independent counsel, Kenneth Starr. Before 
the voters go to the polls in November it seems to us Clinton owes them 
a forthright explanation about what he would do about both of these 
issues in a second term, attacking Kenneth Starr, pardoning everybody 
who he claimed when he was so angered that we voted to pay off Billy 
Dale and the six other innocent people in the Travelgate scandal when 
we offered to pay all of their legal--costing the U.S. taxpayers about 
$500,000, and it is millions that we are paying out for all of these 
people who have been wronged. And then the Senate went to vote for it. 
He said he would veto it unless we paid the legal bills of the 
McDougals and Jim Guy Tucker and everybody he said were so innocent and 
punished only because they knew him. All these people, indicted, about 
to be indicted, or going to jail only because they knew him. Yeah, the 
secret message is not so secret of going on; he is going to pardon him.
  Listen to this. Here is the transcript of Lehrer; I will put this in 
the Record. Please do not write my office. Write your own Congressman. 
Write Mr. Mica if you are in his district in Florida to get the Record 
of today, September 26. Please, Mr. Speaker, let them not write me.

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  I know the phones are ringing off the wall in my office right now. 
That is why I have six people staying this late. Remember, it is only 
coming up on 9 o'clock in L.A., only 7 o'clock in Hawaii.
  Mr. Lehrer says, ``Susan McDougal told a Federal judge in Little Rock 
the other day the reason she was refusing to testify before a grand 
jury is she believed Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel, was out to 
get the Clintons. Do you agree with her?''
  He is speaking to Clinton.
  ``Well, I think the facts speak for themselves. And I think we all 
know about her--she said what she said, and her lawyer said that he 
felt they did not want her to tell the truth. They wanted her to say 
something bad about us, whether it was the truth or not;'' us means the 
Partners in Power; us, whether it was true or not. ``And if it was 
false, it would still be perfectly all right. And if she told the truth 
and it wasn't bad about us, she simply would be punished for it. That's 
what her lawyer said.''
  Jim Lehrer, in his deadly low key style, ``Do you believe him?'' 
``Well, I think the facts speak for themselves. There's a lot of 
evidence to support that.'' ``But do you personally believe that is 
what it is all about, is to get you and Mrs. Clinton?'' ``Well, isn't 
it obvious'' ``You only obviously believe that, right?'' ``Isn't it 
obvious?'' I mean, you know, look at the D'Amato hearings. What do 
(the) D'Amato hearings reveal? Witness after witness after witness 
testifying that as governor, every time I was given a chance to do 
something unethical or ethical, I chose the ethical path. Witness after 
witness after witness, and they still--whenever a question was answered 
they'd go ask a bunch of new questions.
  ``But the American people have figured that out. They'll get that.'' 
That line, ``they'll get that; where have I heard that before?
  January 26, on a specially tailored Sixty Minutes program that was 
only 13 minutes long coming out of the Superbowl, all about a certain 
scandal involving somebody whose name rhymed with flowers. He said, 
``The American people get that. We have had problems. They will get 
that. They will get that.''
  I guess 43 percent got it, but the rest didn't.
  ``I'm not worried. I trust the people. I think that's what we all 
should be doing.''
  Mr. Lehrer: ``If you're reelected, would you consider pardoning the 
McDougals and Jim Guy Tucker during a second term?'' ``I've given no 
consideration to that. You know, their cases are still on appeal. And I 
would--my position would be that their cases should be handled like 
others, they should go through--there's a regular process for that, and 
I have regular meetings on that,'' and on and on and on.
  Here it comes. The reason he was over here in the Longworth building, 
in my building, I am sitting up there in Jim Wright's, the former 
Speaker's office. The reason he is over here is he thinks he has Bob 
Dole in a box. People have thought they had Bob Dole whipped before. He 
thinks he has got it made, so now he can go out and start campaigning 
to take the House and Senate back.
  I didn't know Harry Truman, but I read the Pulitzer Prize-winning 
biography by David McCullough. You heard me read it the other day on 
the floor. Harry Truman said, ``you can't ever trust a man who commits 
adultery. If he will break his word to his wife, you can't trust him on 
anything. Keep those bimbos away from me. He would run out of the 
hotel, leave the building, if anybody had women around. Beth could 
really trust him. We have no Harry Truman here.
  Partners in Power. This is tough, so I am going to leave out the man 
and only talk about people who are not protected by rule 18.
  First of all, story: London, Sunday. Imagine the respect factor in 
Europe. Here is the Sunday Telegraph, London, by Ambrose Evans 
Pritchard. Some day I am going to get to meet this great journalist.
  ``The longer he resists pressure to release his medical records, the 
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something important, perhaps even something that could affect the 
outcome of some elections.''
  ``Some press secretary,'' I am leaving out names here, ``was 
distinctly ambiguous when reporters asked in public whether someone was 
suffering from a sexually transmitted disease. It seemed almost as if 
the press secretary wished to encourage this sexual line of inquiry, 
because the calculation apparently is that nobody cares much about 
encounters long ago of a sexual nature. The impact, in post-Puritan 
America, would be nil.''
  Imagine the British people reading this in the tube, on the subway.
  ``But not everybody has fallen for this diversionary tactic. In a 
biting editorial last week,'' that I missed, so I will have to put it 
in the Record in January, ``the Wall Street Journal asked whether'' 
someone was covering up a history of drug use. ``Drugs are a much more 
serious matter. If the American people were ever led to believe that 
somebody was a heavy user of cocaine while head of a certain 
subgovernment entity in a certain state, the scandal would be 
thermonuclear.''
  Stories about past drug use by some are a staple of the talk show 
programs around America, but no major paper in the U.S. has had the 
guts yet to publish an investigative expose. The Washington Times 
almost did this week. They came that close. They sent out sheets to 
people around the country saying, ``Here it comes tomorrow.'' Then they 
backed off, and I got a headline story out of it, interesting, with my 
subcommittee on a Czech general saying that Americans were used as 
guinea pigs from the Korean and maybe the Vietnam War, because it left 
the whole area above the full front-page story empty.
  So he goes on to say, Ambrose Evans Pritchard, to his London 
audience, in the biggest circulation paper in Great Britain, he says: 
This is not because drug use is too much of a tabloid issue. Far from 
it. The mainstream media were quick to print uncorroborated allegations 
of a stupid convicted felon in the slammer who claimed to have sold 
marijuana years ago to a young Dan Quayle. Remember how that moved on 
the network news, the headlines, of establishment paper after liberal 
paper?

  In the case of someone, a number of people have come forward with 
direct knowledge of drug use, but the press always finds a reason to 
impugn the source's credibility; hence, a fascinating meeting with 20 
of us telling Gary Aldrich, ``We will protect you,'' giving him a round 
of applause, and then came his two little children. Dan Burton and I 
said, ``We were applauding for your honorable dad, Gary Aldrich, author 
of `Unlimited Access.' ''
  Back to the London paper. This is not a tabloid, this is like the New 
York Times in London, or like the New York Post or Daily News.
  He says, in the case of these people that have come forward, nothing 
short of documentary proof, though, will induce the newspapers to 
examine the claims. Hence, the intense speculation in Washington about 
the medical records. But there are other records. A freelance 
journalist, Scott Wheeler, has obtained copies of the Arkansas State 
police surveillance audio tapes from the 1984 investigation of a Roger, 
whose last name is Clinton, the younger brother of somebody. He was 
eventually convicted for dealing in cocaine and sent to prison.
  The tapes revealed that Roger Clinton was a drug trafficker, not just 
an addict who crossed the line. He can be heard describing how he used 
to smuggle large amounts of cocaine right through the airports hidden 
under his clothes. And I have a tape somebody is going to play for me 
tomorrow where he says, I'm not worried about the cops surveilling me, 
I've got other cops watching those cops, because I've got a friend in a 
high place.
  And it says, the most interesting comment he makes about the Governor 
is, got to get some for my brother. He's got a nose like a vacuum 
cleaner. Then there is the case of Charlene Wilson, currently serving a 
prison term in Arkansas for drug offenses. She told the Sunday 
Telegraph in London 2 years ago that she had supplied somebody with 
cocaine during his first term. He was so messed up that night he slid 
down the wall into a garbage can.
  The story has credibility because she told it under oath to a Federal 
grand jury in Little Rock in December of 1990. At the time she was an 
informant for the 7th Judicial District drug task force in Arkansas. 
Gene Duffy, the prosecutor in charge of the task force, talked to this 
Wilson lady days after her grand jury appearance. She was terrified, 
the drug task force person, the prosecutor, says, prosecutor Gene 
Duffy, she was terrified. She said her house was being watched and she 
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  That was when she told me she testified about seeing someone get so 
high on cocaine he fell into a garbage can. I have no doubt she was 
telling the truth. What happens to her, Duffy? She's now in hiding in a 
secret place somewhere in Texas.
  What about Charlene Wilson. Charged with drug violations. In 1992 she 
was sentenced to 31 years for selling a half ounce of marijuana and 
$100 worth of methamphetamine to an informant. She protested she was 
set up to eliminate her as a political liability and she appealed on 
the grounds of entrapment. With the help of a brilliant Arkansas 
lawyer, John Wesley Hall, her case went all the way to the U.S. Supreme 
Court--across the street, Mr. Speaker. Finding a violation of her 
constitutional rights, the court ordered the State of Arkansas to give 
Ms. Wilson a fresh trial or set her free. She's being set free as of 
November--probably after the election.
  And what about those grand jury transcripts? They are secret, of 
course, sealed in perpetuity, but every witness has the right to the 
transcripts of their own testimony if they make a formal request.
  So she will probably formally request them and we will get to see 
them and it may be too late because America has a morality test, all 
day long until the polls close, a morality test on November 5. And then 
at the same time it has an IQ test to see what we are going to tell the 
children in this country.
  In this book, ``Partners In Power,'' page 325:
  On one of the 1983-84 videotapes--I better give the publisher, Henry 
Holt. Get this book, folks, Pop for the $27.50, for pete's sake. Henry 
Hold, ``Partners In Power.''
  A fabulous biographer, Roger Morris, writes:
  Yeah, there was a mansion in the guest house, Roger answered, oh, 
they love it. Even sketchy State trooper entry and exit logs at the 
Governor's mansion would bear him out showing him coming and going at 
the family quarters accompanies by females, girl, a friend, at least 36 
times after February 7, 1983, the height of drug trafficking, and 
guards recorded visits within days of the women that he was bringing. 
Roger in with 2 females to change for party. Roger and girl going to 
the mansion, 2 hours. Girl, in, out. And on one of the 1983-84 
videotapes filmed by the local narcotics officers, Roger Clinton was 
said to tell a supplier jauntily: Got to get some for my brother, he's 
got a nose like a vacuum.
  So there it is, folks. You want the line. Get the book. ``Partners In 
Power.''


                announcement by the speaker pro tempore

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. MICA). The Chair must ask the gentleman 
from California to suspend for a moment at this point.
  The Chair would remind all Members that it is not in order to engage 
in personalities toward the President. Although remarks in debate may 
include criticism of the President's official actions or policy, it is 
a breach of order to question the personal conduct of the President 
whether by actual accusation or by mere insinuation.
  The gentleman may proceed in order.
  Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, I have a question.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his question.
  Mr. DORNAN. If a Member has read--and, of course, I was talking about 
this Member--over 10 books, traveled Arkansas, spoken to people, and 
believes that a high public official was and may still be a cocaine 
addict, do I not have a right to state that publicly on the floor of 
this House?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair would respond not on the floor of 
this House. And also in response to a question concerning the proper 
bounds, the requirements of decorum in debate prohibit any personal 
abuse of the

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President spanning the full range of affronts from the attribution of 
unworthy motives to name-calling.
  The gentleman may proceed in order.
  Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, then let me deviate in the remaining few 
moments to point out the headline--these are public issues--the 
headline of yesterday's Washington Times: ``In Jail, McDougal Plays 
Media Queen,'' is cocky. In Dayroom 212 of Pod B of the Faulker County 
Jail, she is the queen, she thinks she is going to get pardoned. 
``Clinton's Words Fuel Pardon Talk. Will Whitewater Figures Go Free?'' 
Imagine if a Republican tried this. Today's headline: ``Whitewater Log 
On Files Has 6-Month Gap.''
  These people are being charged with looting banks, and the taxpayers 
having to make up the difference, pirating money from banks, and if one 
person is immune from discussion, then let us talk about all the 
others. A person is known by the company he keeps.
  I want to close discussing this rule XVII because people watching 
this House may be confused about the separation of powers. To keep 
order in this place, there is comity between Members and the Members in 
the other body, and it can be stretched when one Member criticizes on 
the Senate floor this Member for being a hobbyist on a gut-ripping 
issue like POW issues and Missing In Action, but we have to have some 
comity here.
  But only in this Congress, the 104th Congress, was the office of the 
President and the office of the Vice President put under the rules, 
thereby damaging the separation of powers. I can assure you after I 
file charges of impeachment, articles of impeachment, and I can do it 
from zero to 1,000, after that, I will move when we reassemble, God 
willing I am back and you are back, I will demand in our rules from our 
leadership to finally show the guts to go back to the way this existed 
for over 200 years, and have this separation of powers so that the 
offices of the President and the Vice President are no longer included 
in our rule XVIII that demands civility between ourselves.
  Let me read one line about President Samper of Colombia: A scathing 
assessment of the Bogota scene with its dozens of censored stories, 
crippling folly and indolence, intellectual shallowness, and social and 
mercenary corruption by the political world it is supposed to monitor, 
resulting in a ``day of the locusts'' talk-show demagoguery by 
liberals.
  Mr. Speaker, when you read this, the reaction to a young person would 
be holy schnikes, how did our great country come to all this corruption 
and scandals?

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