[Congressional Record Volume 142, Number 115 (Wednesday, July 31, 1996)]
[House]
[Pages H9388-H9392]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




     WAIVING REQUIREMENT OF CLAUSE 4(B) OF RULE XI WITH RESPECT TO 
                 CONSIDERATION OF A CERTAIN RESOLUTION

  Mr. McINNIS. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I 
call up House Resolution 492 and ask for its immediate consideration.
  The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:

                              H. Res. 492

       Resolved, That the requirement of clause 4(b) of rule XI 
     for a two-thirds vote to consider a report from the Committee 
     on Rules on the same day it is presented to the House is 
     waived with respect to a resolution reported before August 1, 
     1996, providing for consideration or disposition of a 
     conference report to accompany the bill (H.R. 3734) to 
     provide for reconciliation pursuant to section 201(a)(1) of 
     the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 1997.


                           motion to adjourn

  Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Speaker, I offer a preferential motion.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hefley). I offer a preferential motion.
  The Clerk read as follows:

       Mr. Bonior moves that the House do now adjourn.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Bonior].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a 
quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not 
present.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
  The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 50, 
nays 350, answered ``present'' 1, not voting 32, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 378]

                                YEAS--50

     Abercrombie
     Bonior
     Brown (OH)
     Clay
     Clyburn
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Coyne
     Dellums
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Engel
     Fazio
     Filner
     Foglietta
     Frank (MA)
     Gephardt
     Hastings (FL)
     Hinchey
     Hoyer
     Jefferson
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kennedy (MA)
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Lewis (GA)
     McDermott
     McNulty
     Millender-McDonald
     Miller (CA)
     Mink
     Moakley
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Olver
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Rush
     Schroeder
     Slaughter
     Stockman
     Thompson
     Towns
     Velazquez
     Volkmer
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Wilson

                               NAYS--350

     Ackerman
     Allard
     Andrews
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baesler
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Baldacci
     Ballenger
     Barcia
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Barrett (WI)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blumenauer
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bryant (TX)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Campbell
     Canady
     Cardin
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Coleman
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Condit
     Costello
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cummings
     Cunningham
     Danner
     Davis
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeLauro
     Deutsch
     Diaz-Balart
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Doyle
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     English
     Ensign
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Everett
     Ewing
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fawell
     Fields (LA)
     Fields (TX)
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Frost
     Funderburk
     Furse
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gejdenson
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Gonzalez
     Goodlatte
     Gordon
     Goss
     Graham
     Green (TX)
     Greene (UT)
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Gutknecht
     Hall (OH)
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Harman
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Hefner
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hilliard
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Holden
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Jackson (IL)
     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (SD)
     Jones
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Kleczka
     Klink
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Levin
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Lincoln
     Linder
     Lipinski
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Lofgren
     Longley
     Lowey
     Lucas
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Manzullo
     Markey
     Martinez
     Martini
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHale
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     McKinney
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Minge
     Molinari
     Mollohan
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Murtha
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nadler
     Nethercutt
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Obey
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Pallone
     Parker
     Paxon
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickett
     Pombo
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Reed
     Regula
     Riggs
     Rivers
     Roberts
     Roemer
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Rose
     Roth
     Roukema
     Roybal-Allard
     Royce
     Sabo
     Salmon
     Sanders
     Sanford
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Schumer
     Scott
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Serrano
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stump
     Stupak
     Talent
     Tanner
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Tejeda
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Tiahrt
     Torres
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Ward
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wise
     Wolf
     Woolsey
     Wynn
     Yates
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                        ANSWERED ``PRESENT''--1

       
     DeFazio
       

                             NOT VOTING--32

     Brown (CA)
     Buyer
     Chapman
     Collins (IL)
     Cooley
     Cox
     DeLay
     Dickey
     Flake
     Ford
     Fox
     Gekas
     Goodling
     Gunderson
     Hayes
     Hutchinson
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     LaTourette
     McDade
     McIntosh
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Neumann
     Owens
     Richardson
     Rogers
     Souder
     Torkildsen
     Torricelli
     Williams
     Young (FL)

                              {time}  1243

  Mr. BUNN of Oregon changed his vote from ``yea'' to ``nay.''
  So the motion to adjourn was rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.


                          personal explanation

  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, on rollcall No. 378, I was in 
the Banking Committee hearing and I did not hear the pager. Had I been 
present, I would have voted ``Nay.''
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hefley). The gentleman from Colorado 
[Mr. McInnis] is recognized for 1 hour.

[[Page H9389]]

  Mr. McINNIS. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the 
customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Moakley], 
pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During 
consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purpose 
of debate only.
  (Mr. McINNIS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks and include extraneous material.)
  Mr. McINNIS. Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 492 is an extremely narrow 
resolution. The proposed rule merely waives the requirement of clause 
4(b) of rule XI for a two-thirds vote to consider a report from the 
Committee on Rules on the same day it is presented to the House for a 
resolution reported from the committee before August 1, 1996, which 
provides for consideration or disposition of a conference report to 
accompany H.R. 3734, The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity 
Act.
  This narrow, short-term, waiver will only apply to special rules 
providing for the consideration or disposition of a conference report 
to accompany the bill H.R. 3734, nothing else.
  Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 492 was reported by the Committee on 
Rules by unanimous voice vote. The distinguished Member, Mr. Moakley, 
stated in the Committee on Rules that he had no objections to this 
rule. The committee recognized the need for expedited procedures to 
bring the welfare reform conference report forward as soon as possible.
  Mr. Speaker, I include the following extraneous material for the 
Record:

           [From the U.S. News & World Report, June 3, 1996]

                   The End of Welfare as We Know It?

                           (By David Whitman)

       Bertha Bridges is still waiting for the end of welfare as 
     she knows it. Bridges and her three children have been on and 
     off welfare since the early 1980s, and she has been unable to 
     hold a job in recent years because school administrators 
     often call several times a week to ask her to pick up her 
     disruptive, severely depressed 13-year-old son for fighting 
     and disobeying teachers.
       Seventeen months after U.S. News first interviewed her for 
     a cover story on welfare reform, matters have only worsened 
     for the Detroit resident. Several weeks ago her son let three 
     strangers into her house, and they promptly stole Bridges's 
     money, jewelry, clothing, dishes and videocassette recorder. 
     Her son is now back in a psychiatric hospital, his younger 
     sister is starting to imitate him by refusing to complete 
     school assignments and Bridges doesn't know where to turn for 
     help. ``I'm living a nightmare,'' she says.
       Last week, President Clinton and Bob Dole jousted to claim 
     the title of welfare abolitionist--and to deny the other guy 
     credit for overhauling a welfare system that still does 
     little to encourage self-reliance. But while the candidates 
     feud, many of the 4.6 million families on Aid to Families 
     with Dependent Children are living out nightmares like that 
     of Bridges.
       Clinton claims that waivers granted by his administration 
     to 38 states to conduct demonstration programs have led to a 
     quiet revolution. ``The state-based reform we have 
     encouraged,'' he said in his May 18 radio address, ``has 
     brought work and responsibility back to the lives of 75 
     percent of the Americans on welfare.'' Yet according to 
     federal statistics, only 13 percent of AFDC adults 
     participated in any education, training or work program in a 
     typical month in 1994, up a hair from 12 percent in 1992. At 
     present, less than 1 in 100 AFDC parents toils each month in 
     workfare programs in exchange for a relief check, a number 
     that has remained constant since Clinton came to office.
       Thanks largely to an improved economy, the number of 
     Americans on AFDC--12.8 million--was 9 percent lower in 
     January than three years earlier. Yet the rolls are still at 
     historically high levels, and 1 in 5 American children still 
     lives below the poverty line. In 1992, 13.5 percent of the 
     nation's children received AFDC; in 1995, 13.4 percent of the 
     country's children did so. One in seven kids in the United 
     States is now on the dole.
       According to the Department of Health and Human Services, 
     75 percent of AFDC recipients could be affected in an average 
     month by at least one provision of the 61 waivers granted by 
     the Clinton administration. That seems to be the basis for 
     the president's claim that his waivers have reintroduced work 
     and responsibility to the vast majority of AFDC recipients. 
     But many of the waivers are for modest reforms. Such as 
     allowing recipients to keep more earned income before their 
     welfare checks are reduced.
       The most far-reaching waivers permit states to impose time 
     limits, usually two years. On how long a family can receive 
     AFDC. According to a soon-to-be-released study by the Center 
     for Law and Social Policy (CLASP), HHS has authorized 11 
     states to run statewide programs with full-family cash-aid 
     cutoffs and two more states' applications are pending.
       Awaiting results. It is too early to tell whether the new 
     time limits will fundamentally alter welfare. Since it takes 
     years for recipients to use up their cash aid, time limits so 
     far have affected few families. With the exception of 
     Chicago, none of the nation's 10 largest cities is in a full-
     family time-limit state--and the new CLASP report indicates 
     that 91 percent of AFDC recipients in Illinois are exempt 
     from the time limits because they apply there only to 
     families whose youngest child is 13 or older.
       Other states provide narrower exemptions and extensions 
     than Illinois but still have protective loopholes. One of the 
     biggest: HHS has insisted that no state can remove a family 
     from the AFDC rolls if the mother has complied with program 
     rules and failed to find a job despite her best efforts.
       CLASP's Mark Greenberg worries that the new time limits 
     could throw many needy women and children off welfare. ``If 
     there are visible catastrophes,'' he says, ``other states may 
     be reluctant to move forward. But if the catastrophes are 
     largely invisible, the nation's safeguards for protecting 
     children will start to unravel.'' In Washington, meanwhile, 
     the politicians are still fiddling.

  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I did make the statement that I had no objection to the 
rule. That was based on the promise that we were going to have the bill 
at 8 p.m. last night. But we do not have the bill, so I do object to 
this rule.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. 
Ward].
  Mr. WARD. Mr. Speaker, I have here a presentation.
  Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to rule XXX, I object to the 
gentleman's use of the exhibit.
  The SPEAKER pro tempo. Does the gentleman plan to use this exhibit?
  Mr. WARD. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I do.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to rule XXX, the question is: Shall 
the gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. Ward] be permitted to use the exhibit?
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.
  Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a 
quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not 
present.


                         parliamentary inquiry

  Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary 
inquiry.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state it.
  Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, under paragraph 803 of 
Jefferson's Rules there is a provision, section 10, that states that no 
dilatory motion shall be entertained by the Speaker.
  This particular section of the rules is very explicit. It goes 
through to proclaim that the clause was adopted in 1890 to make 
permanent a principle already enunciated in a ruling of the Speaker, 
who had declared that the ``object of a parliamentary body is action, 
not stoppage of action.''
  Mr. Speaker, we have seen several motions to adjourn, one of which 
was offered by a colleague who then voted against that motion to 
adjourn.
  We now have the second case, Mr. Speaker, of a chart being put up 
that is blank, that in fact has no substance.
  The Speaker, has declined on a number of occasions in the history of 
this body or refused to allow procedures to continue that in effect 
stop the orderly process of business in this body.
  I ask the Speaker, to rule on that section that, in fact, prohibits 
dilatory action. I ask the Speaker to rule on the parliamentary stature 
of an attempt to basically stop the action of the House through what in 
my opinion may be considered as a dilatory action under this particular 
rule of the operations of this body.


                             point of order

  Mr. DOGGETT. Mr. Speaker, I have a point of order.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his point of order.
  Mr. DOGGETT. Mr. Speaker, a vote is in order. This is not really even 
a legitimate parliamentary inquiry. I raise a point of order that with 
a vote already under way, this parliamentary inquiry is out of order 
and would ask that the Chair proceed with the vote previously ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair is prepared to address the inquiry 
made by the gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. Weldon].
  The rule XXX question is not a motion. The rule XXX question is in 
the nature of a point of order.

[[Page H9390]]

  The gentlewoman from Connecticut [Ms. DeLauro] objects to the vote on 
the ground that a quorum is not present and makes the point of order 
that a quorum is not present.
  Evidently a quorum is not present.
  The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 351, 
nays 53, answered ``present'' 2, not voting 27, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 379]

                               YEAS--351

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baesler
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Barcia
     Barrett (NE)
     Barrett (WI)
     Bartlett
     Bass
     Bateman
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blumenauer
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bonior
     Bono
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Brownback
     Bryant (TX)
     Bunn
     Burton
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Campbell
     Canady
     Cardin
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clinger
     Clyburn
     Coble
     Coburn
     Coleman
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooley
     Costello
     Cox
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cummings
     Danner
     Davis
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLay
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Diaz-Balart
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Doyle
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Ewing
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fawell
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Fields (TX)
     Filner
     Flanagan
     Foglietta
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Frost
     Funderburk
     Furse
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gejdenson
     Gekas
     Gephardt
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Gonzalez
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Gordon
     Goss
     Graham
     Green (TX)
     Gutierrez
     Gutknecht
     Hall (OH)
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Hefner
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Holden
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hoyer
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jackson (IL)
     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E.B.
     Johnston
     Jones
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Kleczka
     Klink
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Lucas
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Manzullo
     Markey
     Martini
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDermott
     McHale
     McHugh
     McIntosh
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Metcalf
     Mica
     Millender-McDonald
     Miller (CA)
     Miller (FL)
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Molinari
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Murtha
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nadler
     Neal
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Oxley
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Paxon
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Poshard
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Rahall
     Reed
     Regula
     Riggs
     Rivers
     Roberts
     Roemer
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Royce
     Rush
     Sabo
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schiff
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Serrano
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Talent
     Tanner
     Tate
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Tejeda
     Thomas
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Upton
     Velazquez
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Weldon (PA)
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Wolf
     Woolsey
     Wynn
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff

                                NAYS--53

     Allard
     Baldacci
     Ballenger
     Bentsen
     Bilirakis
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunning
     Buyer
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Deal
     DeLauro
     Ensign
     Geren
     Greene (UT)
     Hastert
     Hilleary
     Hoke
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Lazio
     Levin
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     McInnis
     McKeon
     Packard
     Pombo
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Sanders
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Shadegg
     Souder
     Stockman
     Stump
     Tauzin
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Towns
     Traficant
     Vento
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weller
     Yates
     Zimmer

                        ANSWERED ``PRESENT''--2

       Everett
       
     LaHood

                             NOT VOTING--27

     Barr
     Barton
     Berman
     Brown (CA)
     Burr
     Chapman
     Chenoweth
     Collins (IL)
     Dickey
     Flake
     Ford
     Gibbons
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Hayes
     Hunter
     Longley
     Martinez
     McDade
     Meyers
     Moran
     Portman
     Richardson
     Roth
     Roukema
     Torricelli
     Young (FL)

                             {time}   1309

  Ms. DeLAURO changed her vote from ``yea'' to ``nay.''
  Ms. FURSE, Ms. RIVERS, Mr. HALL of Ohio, and Mr. SPENCE changed their 
vote from ``nay'' to ``yea.''
  So the gentleman was permitted to use the exhibit in question.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  Mr. McDERMOTT. Mr. Speaker, I move that we reconsider the vote.


                 motion to table offered by mr. largent

  Mr. LARGENT. Mr. Speaker, I move to lay the motion to reconsider on 
the table.
  The Speaker pro tempore (Mr. Hefley). The question is on the motion 
offered by the gentleman from Oklahoma [Mr. Largent] to lay on the 
table the motion to reconsider the vote offered by the gentleman from 
Washington [Mr. McDermott].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. McDERMOTT. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 239, 
noes 172, not voting 22, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 380]

                               AYES--239

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brewster
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Campbell
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doggett
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Durbin
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Gordon
     Goss
     Graham
     Greene (UT)
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Lincoln
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Roemer
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Scott
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Thornton
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

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                               NOES--172

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (NE)
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Blumenauer
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Cummings
     Danner
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Doyle
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Foglietta
     Frank (MA)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Green (TX)
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson (IL)
     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Jefferson
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     LaFalce
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Millender-McDonald
     Miller (CA)
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rangel
     Reed
     Rivers
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Serrano
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Watts (OK)
     Waxman
     Weller
     Woolsey
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--22

     Bentsen
     Chenoweth
     Clinger
     Collins (IL)
     Flake
     Ford
     Gekas
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Hayes
     Hilleary
     Hoke
     Hunter
     Klink
     Lantos
     McDade
     Meyers
     Portman
     Richardson
     Seastrand
     Taylor (NC)
     Young (FL)

                              {time}  1330

  Mr. POMBO changed his vote from ``no'' to ``aye.''
  So the motion to table the motion to reconsider was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.


                          personal explanation

  Mr. PORTMAN. Mr. Speaker, due to a previous speaking commitment 
located off Capitol Hill earlier today, I missed votes on rollcall No. 
379, to permit the use of an exhibit, and rollcall No. 380, to table 
the motion to reconsider. Had I been present, I would have voted 
``yes'' on rollcoll No. 379 and ``yes'' on rollcall No. 380.
  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming time I yielded to the gentleman 
from Kentucky [Mr. Ward], I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  I thank my colleague and my friend, the gentleman from Colorado [Mr. 
McInnis], for yielding me the customary half hour.
  Mr. Speaker, today, we are considering this rule waiving the two-
thirds requirement for same day consideration because my Republican 
colleagues didn't finish the welfare bill until midnight last night.
  And last evening, I agreed to this two-thirds rule because I was told 
this welfare bill would be available by 8 last night.
  But, Mr. Speaker, we did not get the bill until quarter of one in the 
morning and that is completely unacceptable. Because, Mr. Speaker, this 
issue is very very important and 434 Members of Congress are going to 
be asked to vote on this enormous bill and the ink isn't even dry yet.
  This bill is no small potatoes. It represents a major change in our 
welfare system which will affect millions and millions of Americans, 
most of those Americans, Mr. Speaker, are children.
  For that reason I think no amount of time is too much. We have a very 
serious responsibility to the 9 million children who are supported by 
aid to families with dependent children and those children are 
depending on us to do it right.
  I urge my colleagues to oppose this two-thirds rule. Congress hasn't 
had anywhere enough time to consider this bill and it will affect far 
too many children to be rushed through the Congress.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. McINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  First of all, I am pleased to announce that we now understand that 
the President is going to have a press conference here in about 8\1/2\ 
minutes where he will announce that he is in support of this bill. I am 
also pleased to announce they have located Leon Panetta, so we can now 
proceed to the substance of this issue that we have sitting right here 
in front of us.
  The substance is very simple. That is, we have to change welfare in 
this country. The welfare bill originally went out of here with 
bipartisan support. It is going to go to the President of the United 
States with bipartisan support, and it is going to be signed by the 
President.
  The gentleman from Massachusetts brings up a valid point. The problem 
is it is somewhat exaggerated. The gentleman shows a huge bill over 
there, as that is the bill that has been given to him in the last 
several hours or early this morning to read. That is correct. That 
particular bill was given to him. But about 99.9 percent of that bill 
is what has been previously contained.
  The only changes really were twofold: First, on the family cap and, 
second, dealing with Medicaid. So that probably consumes maybe 20, 30 
pages out of that entire bill. Yes, we have asked that Members here on 
the House floor take time this morning during their workday to read 
that 20 to 40 pages or whatever was necessary to be briefed by their 
staff.
  We are trying to get this bill to the President. For the first time 
in a long time, we have general agreement on a major, major issue. We 
have got Democrat and Republican support on the House side. We have got 
Democrat and Republican support on the Senate side. We have got a 
Democratic President that is willing to sign it.
  That means that we should expedite the movement of this bill. That 
means that this rule should pass. By the way, upstairs this bill was 
voted out of committee on a unanimous vote, no dissension upstairs. I 
think it is now an appropriate time for us to move on, pass this rule 
so that we can get to the meat of the conference committee report and 
send this bill to the President for signature.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from 
Missouri [Mr. Volkmer].
  (Mr. VOLKMER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding the time 
to me.
  Mr. Speaker, it is not any great pleasure that I come here today to 
be able to address the rule that is now before us. This is a rule that, 
when we as Democrats were in the majority, known as basically martial 
law, that we only used at the end of the session, usually the last 3 
days, in order to facilitate the passage of conference reports in those 
last few days. Yet under this leadership and this majority, this year 
alone this martial law type of rule has been in effect longer than any 
time if you added up all of my previous 19 years here.
  So in 1 year, this year, this session, we have used it more than I 
did in the previous 19 years. Now, that tells me a little bit about the 
running of the House and procedures in the House. This is not 
necessary. This rule is not necessary. If we follow the normal rules of 
the House, the rule to take up the welfare bill, it would be reported 
in a day, be taken up tomorrow in the normal course, be passed. The 
welfare bill will be taken up and passed. But for some reason or other, 
it has been dictated by on high, and that is what I did say, dictated 
by on high, the majority, the Speaker and the floor leader, the 
leadership of the Republicans have decided we are going to do it today.
  They wanted to do it early this morning. They wanted to do this right 
away before any of us even had a chance to look at the bill.
  The chairman, the ranking member of the committee has a copy of the 
bill there, and there is a copy right over here. I dare say on the 
gentleman's side and my side there is not 10 percent of the Members 
that have even read that bill. Now, they have a general idea of what is 
in it, but that is all.

[[Page H9392]]

  A lot of them were willing to vote for it because I talked to Members 
on both sides. They are willing to vote for it, either for or against 
it this morning without knowing the details. Just the idea of what is 
in there.
  That gives me a great deal of concern, that we have here 
representatives of the people in the U.S. House of Representatives that 
are willing to vote on a far-reaching piece of legislation that will 
impact on millions of people and yet doing it without knowing exactly 
what is in it. That gives me a great deal of concern about the Members 
of the U.S. House of Representatives, not as great a deal as the policy 
that is being followed of, again, dictating to the Members of the 
House. That is basically what we are seeing here, is a dictatorial 
policy, autocratic. The leadership knows better than anybody else. We 
are going to do it their way or no way, and that is what we are up 
against today.
  It is that policy that I think has led us to a lack of bipartisanship 
in this House. It is the Republican leadership, in my opinion, Speaker 
Gingrich, Floor Leader Dick Armey, that are responsible for the highly 
partisanship feeling that pervades this House today. It is not only 
just on this side. It is on the majority side, too. I hear it 
constantly, about the partisanship. Yet everybody stands up and says, 
We ought to be bipartisan; we need to be bipartisan.
  How can we be bipartisan when the hand is never reached out to the 
other side to say, hey, what can we do together on this. That hand is 
never reached out. Instead, it is just like this legislation, this 
rule, it is dictated from above. It is toned down. Take it or leave it. 
That is the way it is. There is no bipartisanship. There is no attempt 
to be bipartisan in this House.
  I hope that somewhere between now and the end of this session the 
majority leadership under the Speaker would see fit to not be so 
autocratic, not to be so dictatorial, but to reach out that hand to 
Members on this side and say, let us work together the rest of the year 
on legislation and let us be bipartisan. There is not much 
bipartisanship here today.
  Mr. McINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  First of all, to the gentleman from Missouri, I wanted to caution him 
a little on the utilization of the word ``dictatorship.'' I do not 
think that adds to the comity on the floor. I think we should approach 
those kind of terms with some trepidation.
  Let me address the other point. That is, I do not want the gentleman 
from Missouri, because I have great respect for the gentleman, to 
continue to use inaccurate facts. The gentleman stated to our body here 
that when they were in control we did not see these kind of rules until 
the end of the session. I do not know why this keeps coming up, but 
time after time after time, when we deal with a rule, Mr. Speaker, we 
have to repudiate that. I have got the facts right here. I would be 
happy, if the gentleman would like to come over here, we will show him 
the statistics.
  Let me cover very briefly 1993. It was not near the end of the 
session when his side utilized this rule. In fact, it was in February, 
in March, in March, in March, in March, in March, in March, and then, 
of course, we had some throughout the rest of the session, too. I just 
want to make sure that we are accurate on our facts.
  The final thing I would caution the gentleman from Missouri, his 
statements about this is not bipartisan. In fact, I think this bill 
right here, No. 1, both Democrats and Republicans and unaffiliated and 
reform party people from across this country acknowledge that welfare 
needs to be changed. The system does not work. All of the incentive on 
this system is to stay on it, not to get off it. The system helps 
people that do not need help and does not help the people that really 
do need help.
  Since I have been up here, I do not think I know such a major piece 
of legislation that has had more joint effort. Certainly the last 3 or 
4 hours, I was somewhat amused when the gentleman said this morning, 
this morning escaped from us because, frankly, there was a lot of 
partisanship delay this morning. But we have gotten past that.
  The bill itself, the substance of this bill is a bipartisan product, 
a Democrat and Republican product. Certainly. It has been brought up by 
the Republican leadership. It is a Republican part of our contract. It 
was one of our biggest efforts, but we have had lots of help and we 
have appreciated that.

                              {time}  1345

  It is bipartisan, and at 2 o'clock and 15 minutes, the President of 
this country is going to hold a press conference where we anticipate 
that he is going to agree to sign this bill.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania 
[Mr. Fox].
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from 
Colorado [Mr. McInnis] for extending the time because today, Mr. 
Speaker, we have an opportunity to pass a stark welfare reform that 
requires work and personal responsibility and lifts families from lives 
of despair and hopelessness. I think we should especially look to the 
fact that for able-bodied individuals this Congress and this Government 
will make sure that we have job training and job placement for the 
able-bodied, and for those that truly are in need, just seeking it, we 
will be there.
  The fact is that on child nutrition programs we are talking about 
block-granting the States, which is a great benefit because right now 
on child nutrition programs we are spending 15 percent to administer 
those programs, and the States, only 5 percent for administration. With 
the extra 10 percent they will receive from the Federal Government, 
they must feed more children more meals by our great standards. The 
States will follow the Federal standards.
  On child support enforcement, we are going to make sure that all of 
those individuals and families that do not now have, for many deadbeat 
dads and other parents, the funds they need to make sure that the 
children are protected. They will have to adopt in each State programs 
like they have in Maine where they had 21,000 people who had not paid 
their child support; and when they said they could lose their driver's 
license, they in fact, 95 percent within 30 days, paid their child 
support payment.
  So we see a program that is going to become more modern, more 
sensitive, and make sure that we take care of those in need, and we 
make sure that the welfare reform that we have crafted here is 
bipartisan and worthy of the votes of both sides of the aisle in both 
Chambers and, hopefully, as well, with our President.
  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  Mr. McINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I 
move the previous question on the resolution.
  The previous question was ordered. The resolution was agreed to.
  A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.

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