[Congressional Record Volume 142, Number 108 (Monday, July 22, 1996)]
[House]
[Pages H8067-H8073]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




             DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 1997

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to the order of the House of 
Thursday, July 18, 1996, and rule XXIII, the Chair declares the House 
in the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union for the 
further consideration of the bill, H.R. 3845.

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                     in the committee of the whole

  Accordingly the House resolved itself into the Committee of the Whole 
House on the State of the Union for the further consideration of the 
bill (H.R. 3845) making appropriations for the government of the 
District of Columbia and other activities chargeable in whole or in 
part against the revenues of said District for the fiscal year ending 
September 30, 1997, and for other purposes, with Mr. Hastings of 
Washington in the chair.
  The Clerk read the title of the bill.
  The CHAIRMAN. When the Committee of the Whole House rose earlier 
today, the amendment offered by the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Traficent] 
had been disposed of, and the bill had been read through page 52, line 
25.
  Are there further amendments to the bill?


                   amendment offered by mr. gutknecht

  Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
  The Clerk read as follows:

       Amendment offered by Mr. Gutknecht: Page 52, after line 23, 
     insert the following new section:
       Sec. 146. The amount otherwise provided under the heading 
     ``Federal Payment to the District of Columbia'' for the 
     fiscal year ending September 30, 1997, is hereby reduced by 
     1.9 percent.

  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that all debate on 
this amendment and all amendments thereto close in 20 minutes and that 
the time be equally divided.
  The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from 
New York?
  There was no objection.
  The CHAIRMAN. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. 
Gutknecht] for 10 minutes.
  Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may 
consume.
  Mr. Chairman, this is the next installment of the amendments that I 
have been offering to all of the appropriation bills since the House 
passed the joint budget conference committee report, and as my 
colleagues will probably recall, under that report this House for the 
first time in the last 4 years is actually going to allow the deficit 
of the United States to go up in the next fiscal year, and many of us 
who were upset upon learning that went back to our offices and tried to 
figure out what it was that perhaps we could do on a constructive basis 
to recover that fumble. And what we came up with was the notion that if 
we offered a 1.9 percent across-the-board reduction on the balance of 
the appropriation bills that were still out there, we could recover 
$4.1 billion in additional Federal spending.
  So I offer this amendment in good faith even though I serve in the 
District of Columbia Oversight Subcommittee, and I appreciate the work 
that the gentleman from New York [Mr. Walsh] and his subcommittee have 
done in terms of controlling the level of spending and trying to get 
the fiscal house in order not only for the District of Columbia, but 
for all of the taxpayers of the United States.
  But, Mr. Chairman, I think, in fairness, if we are going to offer 
this to one appropriation bill, we have to offer it to all of them. 
This amendment that I am offering today affects the $660 million that 
goes to the District of Columbia in the way of a Federal payment. It 
does not affect the Federal contributions to employees' retirement 
accounts, it does not affect the rest of the $5 billion which flows 
through the District of Columbia general fund, and it does not unfairly 
pick on the District of Columbia.
  We have offered this same amendment to all appropriation bills since 
the approval of the joint budget resolution conference committee 
report. We are asking the District of Columbia government to make the 
same kind of sacrifice that we have asked the rest of the Federal 
Government to make, a simple 1.9 percent reduction.
  As I said earlier, I serve on the District of Columbia Subcommittee, 
I appreciate the work that that District of Columbia Subcommittee has 
done, and I appreciate the work that the financial oversight board has 
been doing to try and put the District of Columbia back on a financial 
path toward solvency. But I believe that if we are going to be fair and 
if we are going to be honest and if we are going to be consistent in 
what we do around here, I have to offer this amendment in good faith.
  Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  (Mr. WALSH asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the gentleman's 
amendment. While I know it is with the best of intentions, looking 
toward reducing our deficit by reducing our Federal spending, I want to 
assure him that we have made every effort to do so, in fact, have been 
accused of asking for too many spending cuts of the District of 
Columbia.
  The Federal payment to the District of Columbia is a contribution 
that is made in lieu of taxes to the District government. The Federal 
Government occupies roughly 45 percent of the land area of this city. 
This payment is our contribution to the local community for the police, 
fire, and other services that are provided not only to Congress, but to 
the Federal offices and foreign embassies and various groups that have 
received congressionally chartered tax exemptions, not to mention the 
millions and millions of tourists and other visitors who come here 
either to see the beauty of our Nation's Capital or to participate in 
government or in business.
  The second point I want to make is that the amount we are 
recommending in this bill for fiscal year 1997 is exactly the same 
amount that was appropriated in each of the last 2 years. In other 
words, this will make it 3 years in a row with no increase--a flat 
Federal payment appropriation for the past 3 years for the District of 
Columbia.
  Third, the Constitution places the responsibility for the District 
under the Congress, and it is our duty to provide a fair contribution 
for the operation of the seat of our national Government.
  Mr. Chairman, the District is in the midst of a financial crisis. In 
response to that crisis, this Congress last year passed legislation to 
create a financial control board. That board has been in place a little 
over a year and is making some progress in grappling with the 
situation.
  I would say to my good friend and colleague from Minnesota that we 
are appropriating exactly the amount authorized by his committee. The 
authorizers told us this is the amount that we should spend, and in 
respect to that committee and in respect to the process, we are 
appropriating at exactly that level. If the gentleman wishes to change 
that authorization, he is on the committee that can make that change.
  So, Mr, Chairman, I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on the 
gentleman's amendment. We should not shirk our responsibility to our 
Nation's Capital by reducing the Federal payment to a level below what 
it was 3 years ago.
  Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
Indiana [Mr. Souder].
  Mr. SOUDER. Mr. Chairman, first off I want to congratulate the 
gentleman from New York [Mr. Walsh] and the gentleman from Virginia 
[Mr. Davis] also in the authorizing committee, for their hard work. 
Washington, DC, is our national Capital. It is seen across this country 
as a symbol of our Nation, it is seen throughout the world as a symbol 
of our Nation, and its efforts to try to improve the situation there 
and to shepherd it are to be commended, and as my colleagues well know, 
as we go through this amendment process, these amendments are not aimed 
at any particular committee or any particular approach.
  I also serve on the authorizing committee, the Committee on 
Government Reform and Oversight, and as my colleagues know, authorizing 
numbers are a cap, they are not the actual amount. That is up to the 
appropriating committee what they spend, and when we got our 
authorizing cap, we did not realize that the budget was going to have a 
bump up in the second year. That came later in the whole negotiating 
process, and some of the appropriating numbers got bumped up in dealing 
with the President and with the Senate, and we did not come to Congress 
to watch the deficit go up our second year here. We made a commitment 
to the American people that that deficit was going

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to go down. And we did better than expected last year. Now we have a 
challenge to meet.
  One of our concerns as fellow Republicans is that some of the 
rhetoric that has been used against our 1.9 percent amendment is 
potentially digging our party into a trap. Next year our discretionary 
spending is supposed to go down 4 percent in actual dollars. Nondefense 
spending is supposed to go down 4 percent in our own budget that we 
voted for, yet we constantly hear every time we bring up this 
amendment, ``Oh, there's nothing that can be cut, there's nothing that 
can be reduced.'' If there is nothing that can be reduced, how in the 
world are we going to reduce things 4 percent next year?
  Every time we bring this up, we hear over and over that, oh, we are 
going to wipe out this, we are going to wipe out that, and if we are 
not careful, we are going to hoist ourselves on our own rhetoric and 
dig ourselves into a hole. The fact is that the budget deficit goes up, 
I wish we could target it more precisely, I wish we could have worked 
it out through the different appropriating committees to be fair and 
rather than doing a 1.9 percent, but at this point since we do not have 
a lockbox that works, this is our only way to have the budget deficit 
not go up the second year.

  Any my friends on the Democratic side of the aisle, this is not aimed 
at the District of Columbia. I commend not only the delegate from the 
District of Columbia [Ms. Norton] and many of the others for their 
efforts, but quite frankly we did not control the House for 40 years. 
We have a terrible deficit that we have to get control of, that we were 
making progress, and we are very nervous that this step backward that 
we are doing, ever so slight a step, but nevertheless a step, is in the 
wrong direction, and the American people sent many of us here because 
they were tired of hearing ``tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.'' They want 
to see it happen now, and this is our only way we have to express our 
frustration not only with our own leadership, but our frustration with 
the way Congress works.
  Every program has some benefits, every spending has some benefits, 
but we do not have any money. Even at the extreme it will take 7 years 
to balance our budget on an annual basis. Households do not have that 
choice, businesses do not have that choice, State governments do not 
have that choice, local governments do not have that choice, yet every 
time we try to reduce it just 1.9 percent it is always too much.
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume to 
comment on my colleague's remarks.
  We have made, I think, tremendous progress in reducing our deficit 
spending. This Congress reduced discretionary spending by $56 billion 
last year, a remarkable and astounding feat, given past performance, 
and no one in this body is more committed to reducing deficit spending 
or reducing our deficits than I. We have, I think, made great effort 
here to reduce the projected deficit by an additional $59 million or 60 
percent to bring this budget closer to balance. It may take another 
year before we get there, but we are heading in the right direction.
   Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from 
California [Mr. Dixon], the ranking member of the committee.
  Mr. DIXON. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from New York for 
yielding this time to me, and I rise in opposition to this amendment.
  Every day we open the newspaper or turn on TV we see a problem that 
needs to be fixed in the District of Columbia. We need to restore the 
infrastructure to the water system here. Public health, in my personal 
view, is in a crisis in the District of Columbia. And public safety, 
even 60 Minutes is now paying attention to it.
  The gentleman from Minnesota seems to say that because he offered 
this amendment on 12 other bills that he must offer it on this bill. I 
would suggest to the body that we respond to him the same way that we 
did on the other 12 bills and reject this amendment.

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  Mr. Chairman, as I said earlier, I do have some regrets about having 
to offer this amendment, but I think it needs to be put in perspective 
in terms of how much money is actually spent here in the District of 
Columbia.
  The per capita total spending, for example, in States like Nevada, is 
$4,900. Here in the District it is $9,954. There is waste. They could 
reduce spending by 1.9 percent without dramatically affecting public 
safety and the waterworks and so forth.
  Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Indiana [Ms. 
Hostettler], my freshman colleague.
  (Mr. HOSTETTLER asked and was given permission to revise and extend 
his remarks.)
  Mr. HOSTETTLER. Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of this 
amendment to the fiscal year 1997 District of Columbia appropriations 
bill to decrease funding in the bill by 1.9 percent across the board. I 
believe that this is the seventh time we have come to the floor to 
offer this amendment. While we have not been successful with our 
previous efforts, we are not discouraged. When it comes to protect the 
financial future of this country's children, we must be tireless.
  While many come to the Chamber and criticized the budget resolution 
for increasing the deficit, few of us supported these efforts to regain 
that extra spending. Before we decide that we just can't resist the 
temptation to spend these few extra dollars--those few extra dollars 
that represent the thousands of hours of hard work performed by hard 
working folks in my district--we should think about the financial 
burden we are placing on our children.
  This amendment will trim less than 2 percent--just two pennies from 
every dollar of discretionary spending in this appropriations bill. The 
District receives approximately $717 million in the form of a Federal 
payment, a payment to the teachers', firefighters', police, and judges' 
retirement fund, and a payment for this 1997 inauguration. Included 
among the reasons that the District receives the Federal payment is the 
notion that a large percentage of the city's land is owned by the 
Federal Government. In actuality, just over 26 percent of the city' 
property is owned by the Federal Government. However, 68 percent of 
Alaska is owned by the Federal Government, 64 percent of Utah is owned 
by the Federal Government, and a whopping 83 percent of the State of 
Nevada is owned by the Federal Government. At the same time, Alaskans 
receive $1,755 per capita in Federal revenues; Utah residents receive 
$634 in per capita Federal revenues; and Nevada residents receive just 
$547. District residents, on the other hand, receive $3,898 per capita 
in Federal revenues. When we consider these facts, a 1.9 percent 
decrease in the Federal payment seems like a small amount to ask for. I 
can assure you, Mr. Chairman, that I do not believe this is the most 
perfect solution for cutting $4 billion from the appropriations bills, 
and I can assure you that this is not being done to target any specific 
appropriations bill or any specific program--but this is a solution 
that will be shared by all. I asked everybody in this body--from both 
sides of the aisle--who is serious about staying on that real path 
toward a balanced budget to support our amendment.
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from 
the District of Columbia [Ms. Norton].
  Ms. NORTON. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to 
me.
  I am inclined to simply say, ``Enough already.'' Mr. Chairman, look 
at this week's U.S. News and World Report. The National Capital, the 
gentleman's capital, has become a national daily controversy. You 
cannot separate yourself from that.
  There is a reason why the chairman of the committee on which you 
serve and the chairman of the subcommittee of the Committee on 
Appropriations oppose this bill. This is not an appropriation we are 
dealing with; this is a city we are dealing with. It is a city that is 
insolvent.
  These across-the-board cuts have been offered before in the Congress, 
but never for the District of Columbia appropriation. There is a reason 
for it. It is a complicated organism we are dealing with here. It is 
down on its knees, going, going, gone.
  The Federal payment has not increased in 5 years. For the third year 
in a row the chairman has required a cut in the District's payment. Mr. 
Chairman, the PILOT we have here,

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PILOT, the payment in lieu of taxes, keeps us from building on the most 
valuable and most useful land in the city, right in the middle of the 
city.
  Let me tell the Members something: Congress has not paid its taxes 
recently, because the PILOT has not been increased in 5 years. Before 
that, until 1991, it had not been increased in 5 years.
  Mr. Chairman, we have been using a monolithic strategy to downsize 
the District of Columbia. We have been using that even before the 104th 
Congress came into place. It is going down so fast that the taxpayers 
are picking up and leaving at a rate that should make your hair stand 
on end.
  I have not called for an end of downsizing or an end of cuts, but 
after a control board and a Committee on Appropriations have looked 
closely at a city that is on the verge of dying and cut and said no 
more cuts, it ill behooves any of us to come to this floor and, shall 
we say, third-guess them on what should be done.
  The 1.9-percent cut, you are not selling anything, I do not know why 
you do not say 2 percent cut and round off this figure, the 2-percent 
cut I think is sincerely offered, and it is sincerely received.
  I ask Members to note the difference between an ordinary 
appropriation and a city in the deepest possible trouble. I ask Members 
to realize that the 2-percent cut has more than been made by, first, 
the control board, then the subcommittee, then the Committee on 
Appropriations, and now, it would appear, by the full body here. Please 
vote against this amendment.
  Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to my colleague, the 
gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Neumann].
  Mr. NEUMANN. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to 
me.
  Mr. Chairman, I serve on this committee, and I have the greatest 
respect for our committee chairman and for the ranking minority member 
and for all the work that has been done here. However, when we get done 
looking at all of these priorities individually, we have to come back 
to the fact that we have a higher priority, and that is to do what it 
right for the future of our country.
  We are $5.2 trillion in debt. The time has come for us to do what is 
right for future generations of Americans and get to a balanced budget. 
This is simply a small step in the right direction for the future of 
this great country of ours. That is what this is all about.
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from 
California [Mr. Horn].
  Mr. HORN. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to 
me.
  Mr. Chairman, I particularly praise the chairman of the Subcommittee 
on the District of Columbia of the Committee on Appropriations and the 
chairman of the authorizing committee, the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. 
Davis]. Both are doing an outstanding job, and are the hardest workers 
in this Congress.
  I have a high regard for my friend, the gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. 
Gutknecht], on the committee on which I serve, but I must oppose his 
amendment. I think enough. We have cut budgets as much as we reasonably 
can.
  Washington must remain a beautiful world capital. It is a beautiful 
world capital, but there are a couple of things I would like to ask a 
question of the chairman about, to see if we could change. That is, 
driving around town yesterday, I found numerous stoplights never 
replaced, crossing walk lights never replaced, potholes never filled. I 
think that is the impression every single visitor to Washington gets.
  If we are going to put in this Federal contribution, can we at least 
get the District Department of Public Works to do something about 
simple matters like that, that do affect life and death?
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. HORN. I yield to the gentleman from New York.
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, in response to the gentleman's questions, we 
are all very much aware of all of these problems in the city. I would 
remind my colleague that these did not just happen overnight. The 
bridges and roads and infrastructure and police cars and fire engines 
have been running on basically empty for years. There has been no 
investment in the schools. The city's capital program basically does 
not exist.
  The fact is, the District of Columbia's budget is over $5 billion for 
a city of 550,000 people. The State of South Carolina, with 3\1/2\ 
million people, has a budget of $4 billion. So it would seem that there 
is enough money.
  We have discussed this with the city officials and have urged them to 
spend money on these public works projects. Basically the funds in this 
bill are at their discretion to spend, but we do strongly urge them to 
make these structural repairs and changes to turn the District around 
from its downward spiral.
  Mr. HORN. If I might suggest to the chairman of the Committee, if he 
would condition the Federal payment, I think they would move a lot 
faster.
  Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance on my time.
  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. Gutknecht] is 
recognized for 1\1/2\ minutes.
  Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, I will end this debate the way I began. 
I do respect the work that is done on the Subcommittee on the District 
of Columbia of Committee on Appropriations for the District of 
Columbia. This is a very serious problem. But I would have to agree 
with my colleague, the gentleman from Indiana [Mr. Hostettler], who 
spoke earlier. The problem is not necessarily that there is not enough 
tax money flowing through the District of Columbia.
  On a per capita basis, if we compare the schools, for example, how 
much we spend back in Minnesota on our public schools, something like 
$5,600. Here in the District of Columbia, by some estimates, it is 
almost $10,000. The problem is not that we are not spending enough 
money, but the District and the Federal Government, as oversight, have 
not been ensuring that those moneys are spent properly.
  Mr. Chairman, what this amendment is really about is keeping our 
promises of last year. As the gentleman from Indiana [Mr. Souder] said, 
if we cannot cut 1.9 percent this year, how are we going to cut 4 
percent next year? Balancing the budget is not what you do next year, 
it is not what you do 2 years from now, it is what you do this year.
  I think we have to keep faith with what we told the voters 2 years 
ago. I think we have to keep faith with our children. This is about 
generational equity, it is not about whether potholes are going to be 
filled in Washington, DC. They have not been filled in the past and 
perhaps they will not be filled in the future. But we can balance the 
Federal budget, if everybody is willing to tighten their belts just a 
little bit.
  If we take 1.9 percent across-the-broad and we compare it to a 
haircut, and what we are talking about is giving the bureaucracy a 
slight haircut, it is like cutting your hair about one-eighth of an 
inch. Most people would not even notice the difference.
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my time.
  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from New York [Mr. Walsh] is recognized 
for 1 minute.
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, just to sum up, we certainly have worked 
very hard to try to get this bill to where it is today. Basically it is 
a bipartisan bill. Not everyone is happy with it.
  Is it the right amount of Federal funds? I believe it is. If we were 
to reduce another $12 million, $13 million, the District could take 
that from wherever they decide to take it. We just put $15 million back 
in for the fire department. I would hate to think that is where it 
would come from.
  The fact is this $660 million Federal payment is the amount that was 
authorized, and is the amount included in our 602(b) allocation. I 
think it is the right amount, and I would strongly urge a ``no'' vote 
on the Gutknecht amendment.
  The CHAIRMAN. All time has expired.
  The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from 
Minnesota [Mr. Gutknecht].
  The question was taken; and the Chairman announced that the noes 
appeared to have it.
  Mr. GUTKNECHT. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
  The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to the order of the House of Thursday, July 
18, 1996, further proceedings on the

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amendment offered by the gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. Gutknecht] will 
be postponed.
  Are there further amendments?


        sequential votes postponed in the committee of the whole

  The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to the order of the House of Thursday, July 
18, 1996, proceedings will now resume on those amendments on which 
further proceedings were postponed in the following order: First, the 
amendment offered by the gentlewoman from the District of Columbia [Ms. 
Norton], followed by the amendment offered by the gentleman from 
Minnesota, [Mr. Gutknecht].
  The Chair will reduce to 5 minutes the time for any electronic vote 
after the first vote in this series.


                    amendment offered by ms. norton

  The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote 
on the amendment offered by the gentlewoman from the District of 
Columbia [Ms. Norton] on which further proceedings were postponed and 
on which the noes prevailed by voice vote.
  The Clerk will designate the amendment.
  The Clerk designated the amendment.


                             recorded vote

  The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 176, 
noes 223, not voting 34, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 332]

                               AYES--176

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Ballenger
     Barrett (WI)
     Bass
     Bateman
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blumenauer
     Boehlert
     Bonilla
     Boucher
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Campbell
     Cardin
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Cummings
     Davis
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Dunn
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fawell
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Foglietta
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gilman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green (TX)
     Greenwood
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hobson
     Horn
     Houghton
     Hoyer
     Jackson (IL)
     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kaptur
     Kelly
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kleczka
     Klug
     Kolbe
     Lantos
     Lazio
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Markey
     Martinez
     Martini
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Millender-McDonald
     Miller (CA)
     Minge
     Moakley
     Molinari
     Moran
     Nadler
     Obey
     Olver
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Reed
     Regula
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Rose
     Roukema
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schiff
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Shays
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stokes
     Studds
     Tanner
     Thompson
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     White
     Williams
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NOES--223

     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Barcia
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bereuter
     Bevill
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehner
     Bonior
     Bono
     Borski
     Brewster
     Browder
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Costello
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Danner
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Doyle
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     English
     Ensign
     Ewing
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gillmor
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greene (UT)
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (OH)
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Holden
     Hostettler
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kanjorski
     Kasich
     Kildee
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klink
     Knollenberg
     LaFalce
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Lipinski
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manton
     Mascara
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     McNulty
     Metcalf
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Murtha
     Myers
     Myrick
     Neumann
     Ney
     Nussle
     Oberstar
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Roemer
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Stump
     Stupak
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Tejeda
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Upton
     Volkmer
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--34

     Allard
     Brown (FL)
     Brownback
     Clement
     de la Garza
     Durbin
     Everett
     Fazio
     Fields (TX)
     Flake
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Gephardt
     Gutierrez
     Jefferson
     Lincoln
     Manzullo
     Matsui
     McDade
     Mink
     Morella
     Neal
     Nethercutt
     Norwood
     Owens
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Rush
     Smith (MI)
     Thornton
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Wilson
     Young (FL)

                              {time}  1818

  This Clerk announced the following pair: On this vote:

       Mrs. Morella for, with Mr. Everett against.

  Mr. MURTHA changed his vote from ``aye'' to ``no.''
  Messrs. VENTO, BASS, and BOEHLERT changed their vote from ``no'' to 
``aye.''
  So the amendment was rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.


                   amendment offered by mr. gutknecht

  The CHAIRMAN. The pending business is the demand for a recorded vote 
on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. 
Gutknecht] on which further proceedings were postponed and on which the 
noes prevailed by voice vote.
  The Clerk will designate the amendment.
  The Clerk designated the amendment.


                             recorded vote

  The CHAIRMAN. A recorded vote has been demanded.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 170, 
noes 229, not voting 34, as follows:

                             [Roll No 333]

                               AYES--170

     Archer
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Barcia
     Barr
     Barrett (WI)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Blute
     Brewster
     Browder
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Camp
     Campbell
     Canady
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooley
     Cox
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Deal
     DeFazio
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Dornan
     Doyle
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Edwards
     English
     Ensign
     Ewing
     Foley
     Fowler
     Fox
     Funderburk
     Ganske
     Geren
     Gillmor
     Goodlatte
     Gordon
     Goss
     Graham
     Green (TX)
     Gutknecht
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Harman
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Holden
     Hostettler
     Hutchinson
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jacobs
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     Kleczka
     Klug
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lewis (KY)
     Linder
     LoBiondo
     Lofgren
     Lucas
     Luther
     Martini
     Mascara
     McCollum
     McHale
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Minge
     Molinari
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Myrick
     Neumann
     Ney
     Nussle
     Orton
     Paxon
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pombo
     Portman
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Richardson
     Roberts
     Roemer
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Schaefer
     Schroeder

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     Schumer
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shays
     Skelton
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Upton
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Zimmer

                               NOES--229

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Armey
     Baesler
     Baker (LA)
     Baldacci
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bass
     Bateman
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blumenauer
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bonior
     Bono
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Bunn
     Burr
     Calvert
     Cardin
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clinger
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cummings
     Danner
     Davis
     DeLauro
     DeLay
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doolittle
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fawell
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flanagan
     Foglietta
     Forbes
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Frost
     Furse
     Gallegly
     Gejdenson
     Gekas
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gilman
     Gonzalez
     Goodling
     Greene (UT)
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Hall (OH)
     Hall (TX)
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Heineman
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Horn
     Houghton
     Hoyer
     Hunter
     Hyde
     Jackson (IL)
     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     King
     Kingston
     Klink
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     LaTourette
     Lazio
     Levin
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (GA)
     Lightfoot
     Lipinski
     Livingston
     Longley
     Lowey
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     McCarthy
     McCrery
     McDermott
     McHugh
     McKeon
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Millender-McDonald
     Miller (CA)
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Moran
     Murtha
     Myers
     Nadler
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Oxley
     Packard
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Poshard
     Quinn
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Regula
     Riggs
     Rivers
     Rogers
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Scarborough
     Schiff
     Scott
     Serrano
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skeen
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Tejeda
     Thomas
     Thompson
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Weldon (PA)
     Wicker
     Williams
     Wise
     Wolf
     Woolsey
     Wynn
     Yates
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--34

     Allard
     Brown (FL)
     Brownback
     Clement
     de la Garza
     Durbin
     Everett
     Fazio
     Fields (TX)
     Flake
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Gephardt
     Gutierrez
     Jefferson
     Lincoln
     Manzullo
     Matsui
     McDade
     Mink
     Morella
     Neal
     Nethercutt
     Norwood
     Owens
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Rush
     Smith (MI)
     Thornton
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Wilson
     Young (FL)

                              {time}  1827

  The Clerk announced the following pair:
  On this vote:

       Mr. Everett for, with Mrs. Morella against.

  So the amendment was rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The CHAIRMAN. If there are no other amendments, under the previous 
order of the House of July 18, 1996, the Committee rises.
  Accordingly, the Committee rose; and the Speaker pro tempore (Mr. 
Ewing) having assumed the chair, Mr. Hastings of Washington, Chairman 
of the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union, reported 
that that Committee, having had under consideration the bill, (H.R. 
3845), making appropriations for the government of the District of 
Columbia and other activities chargeable in whole or in part against 
the revenues of said District for the fiscal year ending September 30, 
1997, and for other purposes, and pursuant to the order of the House of 
Thursday, July 18, 1996, he reported the bill back to the House with an 
amendment adopted in the Committee of the Whole.
  Pursuant to that order of the House of July 18, 1996, the previous 
question is ordered.

                              {time}  1830

  Mr. KOLBE. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that if proceedings 
resume on the three postponed questions on agreeing to motions to 
suspend the rules immediately after an electronic vote on the question 
of passing H.R. 3845, then the Speaker may reduce to 5 minutes the 
minimum time for electronic voting on each of the postponed questions.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Ewing). Is there objection to the 
request of the gentleman from Arizona?
  There was no objection.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the amendment.
  The amendment was agreed to.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the engrossment and third 
reading of the bill.
  The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, and was 
read the third time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the passage of the bill.
  Pursuant to clause 7 of rule XV, the yeas and nays are ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 332, 
nays 68, not voting 33, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 334]

                               YEAS--332

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (LA)
     Baldacci
     Ballenger
     Barcia
     Barrett (NE)
     Barrett (WI)
     Bartlett
     Bass
     Bateman
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blumenauer
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bonior
     Bono
     Borski
     Boucher
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TN)
     Bryant (TX)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Cardin
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chapman
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Coburn
     Coleman
     Collins (GA)
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Costello
     Cox
     Coyne
     Crane
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cummings
     Cunningham
     Danner
     Davis
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     DeLay
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doolittle
     Doyle
     Dreier
     Dunn
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Engel
     English
     Ensign
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Ewing
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fawell
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flanagan
     Foglietta
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Frost
     Furse
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gejdenson
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gonzalez
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Gordon
     Graham
     Green (TX)
     Greene (UT)
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (OH)
     Harman
     Hastert
     Hastings (FL)
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefner
     Heineman
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hobson
     Hoke
     Holden
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hoyer
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jackson (IL)
     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnson, Sam
     Johnston
     Jones
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Kleczka
     Klink
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Levin
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (GA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Lipinski
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lowey
     Lucas
     Luther
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Martini
     Mascara
     McCarthy
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDermott
     McHale
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Metcalf
     Millender-McDonald
     Miller (CA)
     Miller (FL)
     Minge
     Moakley
     Molinari
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Myers
     Myrick
     Ney
     Nussle
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Paxon
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Pombo
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Regula
     Richardson
     Riggs
     Rivers
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Rose
     Roth
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Salmon
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schiff
     Schumer
     Scott
     Seastrand
     Serrano
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Souder
     Spence
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stokes
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (NC)
     Tejeda
     Thomas
     Thompson
     Thornberry
     Thurman
     Torres
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Vucanovich
     Walker

[[Page H8073]]


     Walsh
     Wamp
     Ward
     Waters
     Watts (OK)
     Waxman
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Williams
     Wise
     Wolf
     Woolsey
     Wynn
     Yates
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff

                                NAYS--68

     Baesler
     Baker (CA)
     Barr
     Barton
     Brewster
     Campbell
     Chenoweth
     Coble
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooley
     Cramer
     Crapo
     Dornan
     Duncan
     Fowler
     Funderburk
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goss
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hoekstra
     LaHood
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lofgren
     Maloney
     McIntosh
     Meyers
     Mica
     Moorhead
     Nadler
     Neumann
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickett
     Ramstad
     Roberts
     Roemer
     Roukema
     Royce
     Sanford
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schroeder
     Sensenbrenner
     Shays
     Solomon
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Studds
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (MS)
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Watt (NC)
     Weller
     Zimmer

                             NOT VOTING--33

     Allard
     Brownback
     Clement
     Clinger
     de la Garza
     Everett
     Fazio
     Fields (TX)
     Flake
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Gephardt
     Gutierrez
     Jefferson
     Lincoln
     Manzullo
     Matsui
     McDade
     Mink
     Morella
     Neal
     Nethercutt
     Norwood
     Owens
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Rush
     Smith (MI)
     Thornton
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Wilson
     Young (FL)

                              {time}  1846

  Mrs. MALONEY and Mr. HEFLEY changed their vote from ``yea'' to 
``nay.''
  So the bill was passed.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.

                          ____________________