[Congressional Record Volume 142, Number 103 (Friday, July 12, 1996)]
[House]
[Pages H7480-H7506]
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                        DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to House Resolution 474 and rule 
XXIII, the Chair declares the House in the Committee of the Whole House 
on the State of the Union for the further consideration of the bill, 
H.R. 3396.

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                     in the committee of the whole

  Accordingly the House resolved itself into the Committee of the Whole 
House on the State of the Union for the further consideration of the 
bill (H.R. 3396) to define and protect the institution of marriage, 
with Mr. Gillmor in the chair.
  The Clerk read the title of the bill.
  The CHAIRMAN. When the Committee of the Whole rose on the legislative

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day of Thursday, July 11, 1996, all time for general debate had 
expired.
  Pursuant to the rule, the bill is considered read for amendment under 
the 5-minute rule.
  The text of H.R. 3396 is as follows:

                               H.R. 3396

       Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of 
     the United States of America in Congress assembled,

     SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

       This Act may be cited as the ``Defense of Marriage Act''.

     SEC. 2. POWERS RESERVED TO THE STATES.

       (a) In General.--Chapter 115 of title 28, United States 
     Code, is amended by adding after section 1738B the following:

     ``Sec. 1738C. Certain acts, records, and proceedings and the 
       effect thereof

       ``No State, territory, or possession of the United States, 
     or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any 
     public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other 
     State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a 
     relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated 
     as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, 
     possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such 
     relationship.''.
       (b) Clerical Amendment.--The table of sections at the 
     beginning of chapter 115 of title 28, United States Code, is 
     amended by inserting after the item relating to section 1738B 
     the following new item:

``1748C. Certain acts, records, and proceedings and the effect 
              thereof.''.
       SEC. 3. DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE.
       (a) In General.--Chapter 1 of title 1, United States Code, 
     is amended by adding at the end the following:

     ``Sec. 7. Definition of `marriage' and `spouse'

       ``In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of 
     any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various 
     administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the 
     word `marriage' means only a legal union between one man and 
     one woman as husband and wife, and the word `spouse' refers 
     only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a 
     wife.''.
       (b) Clerical Amendment.--The table of sections at the 
     beginning of chapter 1 of title 1, United States Code, is 
     amended by inserting after the item relating to section 6 the 
     following new item:

``7. Definition of `marriage' and `spouse'.''.

  The CHAIRMAN. No amendments shall be in order except those specified 
in House Report 140-666, which shall be considered in the order 
specified, may be offered only by a Member designated in the report, 
shall be considered read, shall be debatable for the time specified, 
equally divided and controlled by the proponent and an opponent, shall 
not be subject to amendment, and shall not be subject to a demand for 
division of the question.
  It is now in order to consider amendment No. 1 printed in House 
Report 104-666.

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            amendment offered by mr. frank of massachusetts

  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
  The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
  The text of the amendment is as follows:

       Amendment No. 1 offered by Mr. Frank of Massachusetts: 
     Strike section 3 (page 3, line 9 and all that follows through 
     the matter following line 24).

  The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to House Resolution 474, the gentleman from 
Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] and the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Canady] 
each shall control 37\1/2\ minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank].
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3\1/2\ minutes to 
the gentlewoman from Hawaii [Mrs. Mink] because this amendment deals 
with the section of the bill which would have a particularly negative 
impact on the State of Hawaii.
  Mrs. MINK of Hawaii. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for 
yielding.
  Mr. Chairman, I rise to state that I believe that the word marriage 
should be reserved to man and woman. But I rise to state my unequivocal 
opposition to H.R. 3396. It goes far beyond the defense of the 
institution of marriage. It attacks the U.S. Constitution by allowing 
States to ignore the ``full faith and credit'' clause. If same sex 
marriages are to be excluded from this protection it must be done by a 
constitutional amendment. It cannot be done by statute.
  First, I would like to point out that marriage is not only a 
religious ceremony. A marriage is also a ceremony presided over by a 
judge or a justice of the peace. After the marriage ceremony in a 
church the minister has the married couple sign a marriage certificate 
in order to have it registered in the State Bureau of Registrations. A 
marriage therefor is a State recognized decree. A duly valid marriage 
in any State is a marriage that is duly recognized in every other 
State. And despite the minister's statement during the wedding that 
this union is ``until death do us part,'' marriages are broken by the 
court, not by a church ceremony. Marriage is an instrument of the 
State. It may be ordained by the church, but it is a decree of the 
State, and it is dissolved by the State.
  If in Hawaii the Hawaii Supreme Court decrees that the State of 
Hawaii Constitution requires that gays and lesbians be allowed to have 
a marriage recorded as a State decree, because to do otherwise 
constitutes discrimination, then same sex marriage will be the law of 
the State of Hawaii.
  Under the U.S. Constitution, laws of one State must be given ``full 
faith and credit'' by every other State. Congress should not be 
enacting any bill to declare otherwise. If a State decides not to honor 
the Hawaii Supreme Court decision it must justify its decision before a 
court of law. This congressional bill can not answer questions as to 
whether this refusal by one State violates the ``full faith and 
credit'' of the U.S. Constitution. Congress can not pass a generic law 
to declare that every State may chose to ignore a duly decreed State 
court ordered decision.
  We all know that Congress cannot amend the U.S. Constitution. It is a 
sham to pass a bill that purports to amend the Constitution. When we 
took our oath of office here in the well of the House, we swore to 
defend the Constitution from all enemies.
  The full faith and credit clause of the U.S. Constitution was written 
by the framers of the Constitution explicitly to prevent the 50 States 
from acting as ``independent sovereign States'' and instead require 
that they recognize each other's laws particularly as they set up 
contractual obligations and to act as a nation.
  If the State of Hawaii Supreme Court decrees that same sex marriages 
must be registered in the State, then, notwithstanding my contrary 
view, I shall defend it as the law.
  I would have preferred the enactment of a domestic partner law. It 
would have provided all the protections that gays and lesbians have 
been seeking over the years. Failure of the State to assure gays and 
lesbians all the protections under the law require that we pass a 
domestic partner law. Unfortunately the State of Hawaii Legislature 
chose not to pass a domestic partner law and in doing so left this 
matter for the courts to decide.
  Under this bill, H.R. 3396, same sex marriages, if and when allowed 
in Hawaii, will be denied equal protection of the laws insofar as the 
Federal Government is concerned. Even though it is a valid marriage in 
Hawaii as decided by the Hawaii Supreme Court, these couples will not 
be allowed to be considered as ``spouses'' when deciding such things as 
Federal retirement benefits, health benefits under Federal programs, 
Federal housing benefits, burial rights, privilege against testifying 
against partner in Federal trials, visitation rights at hospitals by 
partners, rights to family and medical leave to care for a partner, and 
many more programs which allow special rights to spouses. This 
exclusion would be extremely destructive of the principle of States 
rights in determining status.
  Mr. Chairman, it is my regret that this issue has had to be raised 
before this body. It seems to me quite apparent that our court system 
is going to yield a decision which will validate same-sex marriages. It 
may take several years. It may require several more legislative 
sessions in orders to define this issue. But the court, in its previous 
decisions, said to the Attorney General of my State unless there is a 
compelling State interest to rule otherwise, this is what they intended 
to do.
  Now, this is not a debate about religion. It is a debate about a 
State process which has been in place in all of the 50 States, granting 
to the States the right to issue licenses. It is not a matter of 
invasion of the prerogatives of religion or the churches because long 
ago judges and justices of the peace were granted the power to also 
ordain a marriage.
  What happens after the marriage ceremony is that all parties must 
sign a marriage certificate application which is then certified by the 
State. So it has become a matter which is implicitly and explicitly a 
matter of interpretation under our Constitution, and our Constitution 
accords the rights of civil rights to all parties. Under that 
interpretation, our State undoubtedly in several years will find itself 
having to issue a ruling which authenticates same-sex marriages.
  What is an affront by this legislation is an effort to try to clarify 
and declare by edict what the other 49 States shall or shall not do 
under the full faith and credit clues. I believe that that is an 
invasion of the Constitution, if not an

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outright effort to amend the constitutional guarantees of full faith 
and credit, which was an effort by our Founding Fathers to do away with 
this idea of 50 sovereign States and try to develop a concept of a 
Nation.
  Mr. Chairman, what we are doing today is to nullify that full faith 
and credit clause to allow the State in its own deliberations how it is 
to deal with this issue once it is determined by my State.
  But the further gravity of this situation is that this body, is being 
asked, beyond that, this body is being asked to take away rights that 
are accorded every other citizen by Federal law in determining 
retirement benefits, health benefits, the rights to burial in a Federal 
cemetery, the rights to privilege in a Federal trial which is accorded 
married couples not to have to provide testimony against each other. It 
is defining in a way contrary to the citizens of my State rights that 
will be accorded to every other citizen in this country. It is a 
deprivation of the concept of equal protection.
  We hear constantly in this body the need for States to be left alone 
to determine the rights of their citizens and the programs that they 
are is to endure. Here we have legislation, before anything is done in 
my State, that will deliberately deny all of these rights that are 
characterized by Federal law by determining that what my courts have 
decided does not apply under Federal legislation, and that is an 
extreme travesty against the whole principle of equal protection.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the 
gentleman from Georgia [Mr. Barr].
  Mr. BARR of Georgia. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for 
yielding.
  Mr. Chairman, as Rome burned, Nero fiddled, and that is exactly what 
the gentlewoman and others on her side who spoke yesterday and last 
night would have us do. Mr. Chairman, we ain't going to be fooled.
  The very foundations of our society are in danger of being burned. 
The flames of hedonism, the flames of narcissism, the flames of self-
centered morality are licking at the very foundations of our society: 
the family unit.
  The courts in Hawaii have rendered a decision loud and clear. They 
have told the lower court: You shall recognize same-sex marriages. What 
more does it take, America? What more does it take, my colleagues, to 
wake up and see that this is an issue being shouted at us by extremists 
intent, bent on forcing a tortured view of morality on the rest of the 
country?
  Yet, I suppose only in the Congress would we have people take the 
well and say that a provision that guarantees by law that each State 
retains its right to decide this issue is taking something away from 
the States. I suppose only in the Congress would we have people take 
the well and say that a law that simply guarantees the status quo in 
terms of the definition of marriage for Federal purposes is taking 
something away from somebody.
  Yet here we have it. The red herrings are flying. Yet we must be 
resolute. This is an issue of fundamental importance to this country, 
to our families, to our children, and I would strongly urge all of our 
colleagues to reject this killer amendment which guts a very important 
piece of legislation.
  We all must stand up and say we support this. Enough is enough. We 
must maintain a moral foundation, an ethical foundation for our 
families and ultimately for the United States of America.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as 
I may consume.
  Mr. Chairman, first a word on this amendment. What this amendment 
aims at is the anti-States' rights portion of this bill. This bill has 
been grossly misadvertised in several ways. One, it says that it is a 
defense of marriage, and I will return to that. But it is a defense 
against a nonattack.
  Nothing in what Hawaii is about to say, namely probably sometime late 
next year or early in 1998 allowing same-sex marriages, nothing in that 
by any rational explanation would impinge on marriages between men and 
women. Nothing whatsoever.
  The factors that erode marriages, the factors that lead to divorce, 
the factors that lead to abandonment and spousal abuse, none of them 
have ever been attributed to, in any significant degree, same-sex 
marriage.
  But there is another misadvertisement. Proponents of the bill say it 
is necessary to keep other States from having to do what Hawaii does. 
Now we should make clear that none of them think that is true. None of 
them believe that, absent this bill, any other State would be compelled 
to do what Hawaii does. I stress that again. Every single sponsor of 
this bill believes as I do that the States already have the right that 
this bill gives them.
  Mr. Chairman, this is a bill which conveys on the press the right to 
write articles. This is a bill which conveys on individuals the right 
to go to synagogues on Saturday, church on Sunday, mosques on Friday. 
This is a bill to do what the people in charge of the bill think is 
already there. That is why we understand it to be purely political. 
That is why a Supreme Court decision in Hawaii from 1993 which will not 
be made final probably until 1998 comes up in 1996. It is a declaration 
that the States have the rights that they already have coming a few 
months before the Presidential election.
  But there is another place of it. They say this is a States' rights 
bill and it is to prevent another State from having to do what Hawaii 
does. It has a second and only operative section, and that section says 
if Hawaii or any other State decides to allow same-sex marriage by 
whatever means, whether they do it by court decision or by popular 
referendum or whether they do it by legislation, the Federal Government 
will say to the State: Wrong, you cannot do that as far as we are 
concerned. We, the Federal Government, will disallow that. While you 
can make a decision for your State's processes to allow same-sex 
marriage, we, the Federal Government, will substantially overrule that 
because we will say that is not a marriage as far as Federal law is 
concerned.

  As people understand, given today's rule, Federal law has a lot to do 
with their lives, so as far as Federal income tax is concerned and 
Social Security and pensions and other things, they will not be 
covered.
  Now, let me talk a little bit personally. We have had some personal 
talks. I would feel uncomfortable if I thought I was up here advocating 
something that I thought would be directly benefitting me.
  I should say that Herb Moses, the man I live with, already has my 
pension rights. He has exactly the same pension rights I have. Zero. I 
do not pay into the pension. I am not a member of the congressional 
pension system, so Herb already has those pension rights.
  That is not what I am talking about. I am talking about people less 
well favored in society than I and other Members. I am talking about 
working people, people who are working together, pooling their incomes 
as many Americans do that today in difficult situations and economic 
circumstances, trying to get back, and feeling a strong emotional bond 
to each other, deciding they would like to pool their resources in a 
binding legal way. Hawaii says: We allow you to do that. This bill 
says: We overrule Hawaii. This bill says there will be no States' 
rights here.
  Mr. Chairman, what the other side of the aisle believes on the whole 
is the right of the States to follow what they think is correct. There 
is nothing new about this. When it comes to tort reform, they will tell 
the States what to do. When it comes to a whole range of areas, they 
will tell the States what to do.
  I do not think there is any principle I have ever seen more 
frequently enunciated and less frequently followed than States' rights 
from the Republicans. What they mean is that the States will do 
whatever they tell them to do.
  Mr. Chairman, I do not claim to be a States' rights advocate. I think 
there are times, given a national economy, when a national uniform 
solution is the only sensible one, but this is not one of them. I want 
to be particularly clear now. People talk about their marriages being 
threatened. I find it implausible that two men deciding to commit 
themselves to each other threatens the marriage of people a couple of 
blocks away. I find it bizarre, even by the standards that my 
Republican colleagues are using for this political argument here, to 
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two women falling in love in Hawaii, as far away as you can get and 
still be within the United States, threatens the marriage of people in 
other States.

  That is what this bill says: Do not worry, you people in 
Massachusetts and Nebraska and Wyoming and Texas and California. The 
Federal Government is running to the rescue. You say your marriage is 
in trouble? You say there are problems with divorce?
  It would seem to be clear that divorce does more to dissolve 
marriages than gay marriages. It is extraordinary to have people 
talking about how marriage is in peril. When the gentlewoman from 
Colorado [Mrs. Schroeder] wanted to offer amendments dealing with 
divorce, she was ruled out of order.
  The gentleman from Oklahoma said the Bible speaks ill of 
homosexuality, and it does. There are also strong passages in the Bible 
that say if couples get a divorce and remarry, they have violated the 
rules. There are religions that do not allow people who have been 
divorced to remarry. There are religions that make divorce very, very 
difficult: Roman Catholics, Orthodox Jews, and others.
  I believe that those religions have every right to say if couples get 
divorced, if they take this oath and say it is a lifetime solemn oath 
and then they dissolve, for whatever reason, they find someone else 
more attractive, they get tired of each other, we will make it 
difficult for them to dissolve those bonds as we put them on and we 
will not allow them to remarry.
  That is a right we should fight for every religion to have, but there 
are clearly Members in this Chamber, supporters of this bill, who do 
not think that biblical injunction should be civil law. There are 
people who believe that that biblical injunction that says if couples 
divorce, they shall not remarry, should be disregarded by those who 
wish to disregard it; that the religion should not have the right to 
enforce them, but individuals should have the right under civil law to 
make alternate choices. That is all we are talking about here.
  People say, well, we do not want to have State sanctions. Let me talk 
about that. I am very puzzled by the antilimited Government notion that 
brings out.

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  I have not had people come to me and say, I am in love with another 
woman, I want to get married because I really want to have State 
sanction. I want to know that the gentleman from Florida, the gentleman 
from Georgia, that they really like me. No one has come forward and 
said, can you please arrange so that the Republican Party and the House 
of Representatives will express their approval of my lifestyle. That is 
not a request I have ever gotten nor expect to get.
  What people have said is, can I regularize this relationship so we 
are legally responsible for each other. Can I get to the point where if 
one of us gets very ill we will be protected in our ability to 
undertake financial responsibilities? Can we buy property jointly? Can 
we do the other things that people do? Can we decide that one will work 
and one might be in child rearing, there are people who have children 
in these relationships. That is what they are asking for.
  What kind of an almost totalitarian notion is it to say that whatever 
the Government permits, it sanctions and approves? That is what is 
clear. Yes, there is a role for morality in Government. Of course there 
is. The Government has an absolute overriding duty to enforce morality 
in interpersonal relations. We have a moral duty to protect innocent 
people from those who would impose on them. That is a very important 
moral duty.
  But is it the Government's duty to say, divorce is wrong and there 
are strong biblical arguments that say if you are divorced, you should 
not remarry. And should the Government then put obstacles in the way? 
No. What we say in this society is, religion has its place. If you want 
a religious ceremony, if you want to be married as Roman Catholic, if 
you want to be married by orthodox Jewish rabbis, if you want to be 
married by other groups, you better abide by their rules. But if you as 
an individual say, I do not love that person anymore, I am walking out, 
I am tired, I want a new husband, I want a new wife and, therefore, I 
dissolve it, no fault divorce, leave me out, and I want to remarry, 
civil law allows you to do that.
  Does civil law say that is a good thing? Does civil law, by allowing 
you to divorce and remarry, say, good, we approve of that, we sanction 
your walking out on that marriage and starting a new one? No, what 
civil law says is, in a free society that is a choice you can make. We 
will require, I hope, that you pay up any obligation you have to the 
children who were the product of the first marriage. We do not do that 
well enough.
  But beyond that we leave that choice. And that is all we are talking 
about. No one is asking for sanctioning. In particular, what we are 
saying is, if the State of Hawaii and, by the way, if you were going to 
pick a State less likely to infect others, I am still trying to 
understand, I said, what is it about two men living together that 
threatens marriage? The people who denigrate marriage are the people 
who argue that marital bonds are so fragile between man and woman that 
knowing that two men can marry each other will somehow erode them. How 
could that be?
  We heard one argument about it yesterday. He said, well, it might 
lead to polygamy. I am a student of legislative debate. Let me make one 
very clear point. When people get off the subject, allowing Hawaii to 
have gay marriages without penalizing them federally, and on to 
something wholly unrelated, polygamy, and attack the unrelated one, it 
is because they cannot think of any arguments to attack the first one.
  Yes, it is true polygamy as an option for heterosexuals would weaken 
the current option of monogamous heterosexual marriage. That is why I 
do not know anyone who is advocating polygamy. Why are they then 
debating polygamy? Because they are cannot argue over here.
  There is a story about a guy who is on his hands and knees under the 
streetlight, and he is walking around, looking around. Somebody stops 
to help him, says, what is the matter. He said, I lost my watch. He 
said, I will help you. After 5 minutes, he said, gee, I do not think 
your watch is here. He said, I know, I did not lose it over here.
  He said, why are we looking here under the streetlight. He said, 
well, the light is better. They want to debate polygamy because the 
argument is better. But there are no arguments about same-sex marriage.
  I have asked Member after Member who is an advocate of this bill, how 
does the fact that two men live together in a loving relationship and 
commit themselves in Hawaii threaten your marriage in Florida or 
Georgia or wherever? And the answer is always, well, it does not 
threaten my marriage, it threatens the institution of marriage. That, 
of course, baffles me some. Institutions do not marry. They may merge, 
but they do not marry. People marry, human beings. Men and women who 
love each other marry. And no one who understands human nature thinks 
that allowing two other people who love each other interferes.

  Is there some emanation that is given off that ruins it for you? Gee, 
Hawaii is pretty far away. Will not the ocean stop it? Are those waves 
that undercut your marriages? People who are divorced, I had one of my 
colleagues say to me, I have been divorced a couple of times. I was 
feeling guilty about it, but now I know it was your fault, he told me. 
He said, the Republicans have explained it to me. That is why I have 
been married three times. You did it to me.
  He said, the next time I have an argument with my wife, I am going to 
blame you. And I guess that is what we do because it has got to be some 
mysterious emanation. And apparently it is such a powerful emanation 
that it crosses oceans.
  Hawaii, let me ask my friend, how many miles, 3,000? How many miles 
is Hawaii from here? It is 5,000 from here, 5,000 miles away. My 
friend, the gentleman from Hawaii, my friend, the gentlewoman from 
Hawaii, what power they have. They allow same sex marriage in Hawaii 
and 5,000 miles away, marital bonds will crumble. That seems pretty 
silly, but that is what the bill says.
  All I am saying here is, and by the way, I agree each State ought to 
be able to decide for itself. That is not

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what this amendment is about. I believe the States already have that 
right. I am not even touching in this amendment the part of the bill 
that does it.
  This amendment says, if the State of Hawaii by any reason whatsoever 
decides to allow gay marriage, we, the Federal Government, will treat 
marriages that Hawaii validates the same as we treat others. The answer 
is, that will be sanctioning gay marriage, as if the Federal Government 
sanctions, what, many divorces and remarriages. We have no-fault 
divorces. People walk out for no good reason. That is an unfortunate 
trend. We ought to try and change it. But scapegoating gay men and 
lesbians for the failure of marriages in this society is very good 
politics but very terrible social analysis. That is what we are talking 
about.
  I am simply saying here, I do not know of another State that is even 
close to Hawaii in doing this. Hawaii will probably do it in about a 
year. No other State is doing it. Are you that desperate for a 
political issue that you reach out this far? We have in the law 
something called long-arm statutes. This is a real long-arm statute. 
This reaches from the politics of Washington, DC, 5,000 miles out to 
Hawaii, and says, how dare you let two women express the love they feel 
for each other in a legally binding way because that is all we are 
talking about. We are talking about nothing that undercuts heterosexual 
marriage. We are talking about nothing that promotes divorce, nothing 
that would encourage spousal abuse, nothing that would encourage 
neglect of children. None of that.
  We are talking about an entirely unrelated subject. The arguments 
are, therefore, so weak that, as I said, we get into polygamy and other 
unrelated issues.
  If Members are really telling me they do not understand the 
difference between a polygamous heterosexual relationship and a 
monogamous homosexual relationship, then they are confessing a degree 
of confusion that I guess I would be embarrassed to confess.
  All this amendment says is, and let us be clear on this amendment, no 
argument about protecting one State from another State is relevant. To 
the extent that this bill has any role in protecting one State from 
another State, this amendment leaves it detached.
  What this says is simply, if Hawaii does it, we will recognize what 
Hawaii does. And we will not falsely claim that multiple divorces and 
remarriages, spousal abuse, child neglect, all of those problems, and 
economic stress and others things that cause stress in marriages, 
nobody will argue that letting two women love each other in Hawaii in 
any way, shape, or form threatens that. That is the vote I will be 
asking Members to take.
   Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the 
gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Sensenbrenner].
  Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the 
amendment offered by the gentleman from Massachusetts, [Mr. Frank]. 
This is not a States rights amendment. This amendment would allow the 
will of Congress to be usurped by three justices on a divided Hawaii 
Supreme Court.
  In rebuttal to the argument made by the gentlewoman from Hawaii [Mrs. 
Mink], the Justice Department, headed by Janet Reno, not one of ours 
but one of yours, has twice said that the Defense of Marriage Act is 
constitutional. It is time for the Congress to define the full faith 
and credit clause, what the Constitution allows us to do, and that is 
what this bill proposes.
  As was stated several times during the debate yesterday, this act is 
necessary because of a concerted effort on the part of homosexual 
activities to win the Hawaii case and then to impose the decision on 
every other State by a lawsuit invoking the full faith and credit 
clause. My colleagues do not have to take my word for it. I would like 
to reiterate the words from a memo written by the director of the 
Marriage Project of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education fund, a gay 
rights group. This memo is entitled, ``Winning and Keeping Equal 
Marriage Rights: What will Follow Victory in Baehr v. Levin,'' unquote. 
On page 2 of this memorandum it is written, ``Many same-sex couples in 
and out of Hawaii are likely to take advantage of what would be a 
landmark victory. The great majority of those who travel to Hawaii to 
marry will return to their homes in the rest of the country expecting 
full recognition of their unions.''
  It is important to remember that this gay activist scheme may not 
only affect every other State but the Federal Government as well. The 
Federal Government currently extends benefits, rights, obligations and 
privileges on the basis of marital status. These include Social 
Security survivor and Medicare benefits, veterans' benefits, Federal 
health, life insurance and pension benefits and immigration privileges.
  In fact, the word marriage appears more than 800 times in Federal 
statutes and regulations, and the word spouse appears over 3,100 times. 
However, these terms are never defined in the statutes and regulations. 
This bill proposes to do so.
  Because this United States Code does not contain a definition of 
marriage, a State's definition of marriage is regularly utilized in the 
implementation of Federal laws and regulations. Such deference is 
possible now because of the differences, because the difference in 
State marriage laws, although numerous, are relatively minor. Every 
State concurs in the most basic marital qualification, that a valid 
marriage must be between one man and one woman. There never has been 
any reason to make this implicit understanding explicit until now. If 
Hawaii legalizes same-sex marriage, which the gentlewoman from Hawaii 
[Mrs. Mink], says is going to happen, then the basic qualification is 
altered.
  Consequently, section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act amends the 
United States Code to make it clear for purposes of Federal law 
marriage means what Congress intended it to mean, that is, a legal 
union between one man and one woman as husband and wife.
  Congress certainly has the authority to define qualifications, 
conditions and obligations surrounding the application of Federal law 
and the disbursement of Federal benefits. Exercising such authority is 
not uncommon. When Congress voted on Federal laws that conferred 
benefits on married persons, I do not think that Congress ever 
contemplated their application to same-sex couples. I do not think the 
American people did either. Should we not let the American people and 
their elected Representatives, as opposed to a sharply divided Hawaii 
court, decide whether we should alter the fundamental definition of 
marriage recognized by civilizations for thousands of years and always 
presumed by the U.S. Congress?

  Gay rights groups are scheming to manipulate the full faith and 
credit clause to achieve through the judicial system what they cannot 
obtain through the democratic process. I do not think that Congress 
should be forced by Hawaii's State court to recognize a marriage 
between two males or between two females. Congress did not pick that 
fight. The groups that filed suit in Hawaii did.
  We are simply responding to an unprecedented overt effort to impose 
one State's marital rules on the rest of the Nation.
  We have enough problems financing our Social Security trust funds. If 
the amendment of the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] is 
adopted, there will be a huge expansion of the number of people 
eligible to receive Medicare survivor benefits. We should decide that 
by ourselves, not by Hawaii court.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 1 minute to 
address one point on what the gentleman from Wisconsin said. He made a 
point a couple of times to the effect that this is a Hawaii Supreme 
Court decision. He said it should be elected representatives.
  The second version of this amendment says that we will recognize 
marriages so declared by States if they are done democratically by 
legislation or by referenda.
  I would yield to the gentleman. Would that make any difference in his 
argument?
  Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?

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  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. I yield to the gentleman from Wisconsin.
  Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, at least in terms of Federal 
benefits, to me, no.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I thought so.
  Mr. SENSENBRENNER. I think Congress should decide whether the 
domestic spouses of gays and lesbians should get Social Security 
survivor benefits.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, one 
point on legislative debate, when people use arguments they do not 
really mean, that is an indicator. The gentleman from Wisconsin made a 
big point of saying, we cannot do it if Hawaii does it by court, if 
they do not do it democratically.

                              {time}  1145

  When I mentioned an amendment that would allow that, it is, oh, never 
mind. Do not use arguments you do not mean. Do not make up arguments. 
That does not help the debate.
  Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, I demand the gentleman's words be 
taken down. He has impugned my motives.
  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Massachusetts will be seated.

                              {time}  1152

  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to 
proceed out of order for 1 minute.
  The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from 
Massachusetts?
  There was no objection.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, in a spirit of 
conciliation, even though my plane is not until Sunday, but I know 
others have quicker ones, I would make it clear that my point was that 
I believe when Members are debating, they should be careful to use 
arguments which are genuinely central to their point. And I was 
admonishing people about what I think is the tendency to use arguments 
that are not central, and particularly, I think it is a mistake for 
people to use an argument and then, when that argument is met by a 
change in the legislation, disregard it. That is what I was intending 
to imply
  I believe that the second amendment that I have offered meets part of 
the argument that was made, and I always find it frustrating when 
people make an argument and an amendment is then offered which meets 
that argument and that is disregarded.
  The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Sensenbrenner] 
seek recognition?
  Mr. SENSENBRENNER. With that explanation, Mr. Chairman, I withdraw my 
demand that the gentleman's words be taken down.
  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman withdraws his demand.
  The gentleman from Massachusetts may proceed in order.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to 
the gentlewoman from California [Ms. Harman].
  (Ms. HARMAN asked and was given permission to revise and extend her 
remarks.)
  Ms. HARMAN. Mr. Chairman, I realize that my views are likely to be in 
the minority, as well as unpopular, but this is not the first time I 
have come to the well to stand up for what I believe in, and it will 
not be the last.
  Mr. Chairman, our Nation faces many pressing and critical problems: 
The size of the Federal deficit and its effect on our international 
competitiveness; threats from rogue nations and terrorists armed with 
chemical, biological, and small nuclear weapons; a deteriorating public 
infrastructure; the decline in the quality of public education, to name 
just a few. Yet, this body is embarked today on an extended debate of a 
nonproblem, an issue which the States themselves are fully capable of 
handling without the interjection of the views of Congress.
  In fact, this issue already has been carefully considered by the 
legislatures, the legislatures of 34 States. Today, we debate 
legislation of questionable constitutionality, legislation in which we 
``authorize'' the States to ignore the dictates of the full faith and 
credit clause of the Constitution. Yet what is clear from the sparse 
history on the full faith and credit clause is that whatever powers the 
States have to have to reject the decision by another State are 
directly derived from the Constitution. Nothing Congress can do by 
statute either adds to or detracts from that power. Congress cannot 
grant a power to the States which, under the Constitution, the Congress 
itself does not have or control.
  In addition, Mr. Chairman, today, we debate legislation designed to 
divide and ostracize individuals and to advance or protect interests 
which are hardly threatened. As some of my colleagues have already 
said, what is by far the weakest part of this bill is its title. But 
that is not accidental. This bill reflects a calculated political 
judgment that wedge issues can be used to paint individuals in our 
society, as well as Members of this Chamber. This bill's accelerated 
consideration in this House was, unfortunately, part of that political 
agenda. Whatever Hawaii finally decides will be years off, so what is 
the rush?
  This is a sad day when partisan political considerations once again 
upstage careful deliberations designed to address the Nation's 
important challenges.
  I urge my colleagues to stand up and reject this divisive, untimely, 
and possibly unconstitutional bill.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the 
gentlewoman from California [Mrs. Seastrand].
  Mrs. SEASTRAND. Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of the Defense 
of Marriage Act. As a cosponsor of this bill, I believe it reinforces 
the traditional definition of marriage without subjecting same-sex 
couples to bias or harassment. It is our duty in this Congress to 
affirm what is good in our society. We need this so much. As special 
interest pressure increasingly demands a tolerant and fluid definition 
of marriage, we progressively attempt to redefine marriage to fit 
social trends.
  Traditional marriage, however, is a house built on a rock. As 
shifting sands of public opinion and prevailing winds of compromise 
damage other institutions, marriage endures, and so must its 
historically legal definition. This bill will fortify marriage against 
the storm of revisionism, so I urge all of my colleagues to support 
this very good bill, the defense of marriage act.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I urge Members to batten 
down, because I yield 4 minutes and 30 seconds to the gentleman from 
Hawaii [Mr. Abercrombie], and we all know what power Hawaii has, so get 
ready.
  (Mr. ABERCROMBIE asked and was given permission to revise and extend 
his remarks.)
  Mr. ABERCROMBIE. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding 
time to me.
  Mr. Chairman, as long as Hawaii has this incredible power to be able 
to mandate whatever it decides on the rest of the Nation, I wan 
thinking that perhaps we could mandate the Hawaii health care system 
for the other 49 States, so that we would not have to worry about 
national health care, and we would mandate the weather, if we could, 
but I think that is even beyond our powers.
  There is a serious note to be engaged in here, because the amendment 
offered by the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] has to do with 
the definition. If Members are in fact intending to define marriage 
nationally in the terms that have been related in the debate so far, 
they have indicated it is an institution in which we have a secular, 
sacred duty to maintain the union between a man and a woman.
  If that is the case, and Members really intend to do this, and we are 
sincere about covering this as a national definition of marriage, then 
why do Members not have a national divorce clause in here as well, 
forbidding it? Where are the criminal penalties associated with 
adultery? I have heard a continuous drumbeat from some Members here 
about this union of a man and a woman. If that is the case, I presume, 
then, Members are going to forbid divorce and most certainly impose 
penalties with adultery. But I do not see it in here.
  There appear to be circumstances in which this union of a man and 
woman can take place in the context of marriage again and again and 
again. I am not quite sure how the transition is made in Members' 
definitions, but that is what takes place, all of this within the 
context that this deficition has to be made in a national context, 
because of what may or may not happen in Hawaii.

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  But what is left out of this is that the Federal law over and over 
again, as stated as recently as 1992, and I am quoting the Supreme 
Court, ``Without exceptions, domestic relations have been a matter of 
State, not Federal, concern and control since the founding of the 
Republic.''
  In this particular instance, it is the State constitution in Hawaii 
that is the grounds for the suit in Hawaii. The State constitution in 
Hawaii has particular references to the right of privacy and equal 
protection that are not found in other constitutions in other States. 
Therefore, it does not apply.
  Members should vote for the amendment offered by the gentleman from 
Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] because even if there is a ruling in Hawaii, 
it does not therefore follow that Pennsylvania or Florida or Illinois 
or any of the other States have to follow it at all, unless there are 
similar provisions, and there are judges that would make decisions 
based on similar interpretations of similar provisions in Members' own 
State constitutions.
  The attorneys for the coules that came into court in Hawaii have 
stated again and again that it is the particular provisions of the 
Hawaii State Constitution that they are refering to, so it is 
disingenuous at best for those who want to maintain that this amendment 
is something that should be voted for to indicate that unless we have 
this bill today, and unless we defeat the amendment of the gentleman 
from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank], Members are going to be forced to 
accept what was a result of a court decision in Hawaii, if it happens 
to go that way.
  The State is disputing this at the present time, and may prevail. So 
unless someone who is in favor of the bill can tell me how the U.S. 
Constitution reflects the specific provisions in the Hawaii State 
Constitution, which extend beyond the Federal Constitution the right of 
privacy and the equal protection based on gender, unless they can 
explain that, I do not see how Members can deny the validity of the 
amendment offered by the gentleman from Massachusetts.

  I would yield to anybody who can explain to me how the U.S. 
Constitution, which only deals by implication with the Hawaii State 
Constitution, will somebody please tell me how the U.S. Constitution 
and the Hawaii State Constitution are comparable in these two respects, 
which is the basis for the suit in Hawaii?
  There are constitutional experts. Do not look puzzled. Members know 
perfectly well what I am talking about. There is a right to privacy in 
Hawaii, there is no discrimination based on gender in the Hawaii State 
Constitution, which does not appear in the U.S. Constitution except by 
implication, if Members make the argument. In other words, I get no 
response.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the 
gentleman from Indiana [Mr. Buyer].
  Mr. BUYER. Mr. Chairman, permit me to be theological and 
philosophical, for a moment. I believe that as a people, as a people, 
as a God-fearing people, at times, that there are what are viewed, what 
I believe are called depraved judgments by people in our society. They 
come in all forms of sin. We learn that early on.
  I believe that the first creature of God and the words of the first 
days was the light of sense. We refer to it as God-given common sense. 
The last, perhaps, was the light of reason. His Sabbath work ever since 
has been the illumination of his spirit, the Holy Spirit.
  Above me it reads, ``In God we trust.'' It says, ``In God we trust.'' 
I believe that God breatheth light into the face of chaos and into the 
face of mankind to deliver his word to others who do not see the light 
of day, who do not follow the word of God.
  Mr. Chairman, we are a nation of people, a society based upon very 
strong Biblical principles. To lead a Nation at moments of chaos 
through the storm, you rely on God-given principles for that. He 
shineth the light into our face.
  We as legislators and leaders for the country are in the midst of a 
chaos, an attack upon God's principles. God laid down that one man and 
one woman is a legal union. That is marriage, known for thousands of 
years. That God-given principle is under attack. It is under attack. 
There are those in our society that try to shift us away from a society 
based on religious principles to humanistic principles; that the human 
being can do whatever they want, as long as it feels good and does not 
hurt others.
  When one State wants to move towards the recognition of same-sex 
marriages, it is wrong. The full faith and credit of the Constitution 
would force States like Indiana to abide by it. We as a Federal 
Government have a responsibility to act, and we will act.

                              {time}  1205

  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to 
the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Meehan].
  The CHAIRMAN. I might advise the Members, the gentleman from 
Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] has 11 minutes remaining and the gentleman 
from Florida [Mr. Canady] has 27 minutes remaining.
  Mr. MEEHAN. Mr. Chairman, today we are debating a bill that purports 
to defend marriage. I have been thinking a lot about this legislation 
this week because tomorrow, I am getting married. My finance and I are 
going to vow to spend the rest of our lives together--no matter what 
lies ahead. For that commitment, we will enjoy all the rights and 
privileges the Government bestows on married couples--from tax breaks 
to Social Security benefits.
  I can't imagine that my fiance and I could make such a momentous 
decision to wed--and then have the Government step in and say no, you 
can't do that. I can't imagine that two people who simply want to 
exercise a basic human right to marry, a right our society encourages 
could be denied. I can't imagine that two people could make a 
commitment to spend the rest of their lives together--and never be 
allowed to have that commitment recognized under the law.
  Because, you see, for many years, gay couples have made a commitment 
to spend their lives together. They have spent years building a life 
together, through good times and bad. Yet, if a gay man becomes gravely 
ill, his partner is not allowed to visit him in the hospital. A gay 
couple can share houses, cars, bank accounts, yet one partner cannot 
inherit a single thing if the other dies without a will. Furthermore, 
no matter how long they are together, a gay couple cannot share medical 
and pension benefits.
  This bill denies a group of Americans a basic right because they lead 
a different lifestyle. We must be careful when we make legislative 
determinations on who is different. If gay people are considered 
``different'' today, who is to say your lifestyle or my lifestyle will 
not be considered different tomorrow?
  This bill also challenges one of the most basic tenets of the 
Constitution: the ``full faith and credit'' clause. This country is 
great because people take for granted that the laws of one State are 
honored by the other States--regardless of whether or not one State 
likes another State's laws. We have not been able to pick and choose 
for the past two centuries and now is not the time to start.
  Our society encourages and values a commitment to long-term 
monogamous relationships--and we honor those commitments by creating 
the legal institution of marriage.
  If we then deny the right of marriage to a segment of our population, 
we devalue their commitment without compelling reasons but simply 
because we don't like their choice of partners. We can't have it both 
ways.
  Protecting everyone's right to make a legal commitment to another is 
a defense of marriage. This bill denies certain persons that right. It 
is an attack on gay men and women. Therefore, I urge my colleagues to 
vote against it.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the 
gentleman from Texas [Mr. DeLay].
  Mr. DeLAY. Mr. Chairman, I want to offer my congratulations to the 
gentleman from Massachusetts on his upcoming wedding tomorrow. I did 
not know he was getting married tomorrow. I think that is wonderful. I 
wish him all the best and a wonderful future.
  Mr. Chairman, I think this piece of legislation is very timely and 
very important, and I commend the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Canady] 
and the gentleman from Georgia [Mr. Barr] for bringing it to the floor.
  Many people are questioning why we are bringing it to the floor today 
but,

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Mr. Chairman, to me the answer is very clear. Polls in Hawaii and 
across this country show that the majority of the people of this 
country do not support legalizing same-sex marriage. However, despite 
the will of the legislature in Hawaii, three judges are about to rule 
otherwise. Now the Lambda Legal Defense Fund, an organization that is 
pushing very hard for the legalization of gay and lesbian marriage, is 
advertising their intent to use the Hawaiian Supreme Court ruling to 
force other States to recognize gay and lesbian marriages.
  I would just like to read the quote, and this is from a publication 
of Lambda Legal Defense Fund:

       Many same-sex couples in and out of Hawaii are likely to 
     take advantage of what would be a landmark victory. The great 
     majority of those who travel to Hawaii to marry will return 
     to their home in the rest of the country expecting full legal 
     recognition of their union.

  This is not a partisan issue, Mr. Chairman. The threat posed by the 
ruling in Hawaii is recognized by Members of both sides of the aisle.
  The bill before us is very simple. First it honors the State's right 
to decide its own position on the legalization of same-sex marriage. 
Second, it says that for Federal purposes, marriage is the legal union 
between one man and one woman. The Frank amendment strikes that. This 
bill does not tell people what they can or cannot do in the privacy of 
their own homes. It simply says it is not right to ask the American 
people to condone it.
  As a father and an observer of this culture, I look ahead to the 
future of my daughter and wonder what building a family will be like 
for her. We saw startling statistics in 1992 that told us that Dan 
Quayle was right. Children do best in a family with a mom and a dad. We 
need to protect our social and moral foundations.
  We should not be forced to send a message to our children that 
undermines the definition of marriage as the union between one man and 
one woman. Such attacks on the institution of marriage will only take 
us further down the road of social deterioration. Vote ``no'' on the 
Frank amendment.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 30 seconds. 
I do this with trepidation because I underestimated to some extent the 
sensitivity on the other side when I point this out, but the gentleman 
from Texas made a point of the fact that three judges did this in 
Hawaii, and not the legislature and not a referendum.
  I have a subsequent amendment which would allow a State to get 
Federal recognition of marriages only when it is done by the 
legislature or by referendum or in other ways by the people, and it 
will probably make no difference. But I just want to say that that 
argument that this is only the judges in Hawaii does not appear to me 
to be one that the Members who make it attach a great deal of weight to 
because when I offer an amendment which obviates it, it would not make 
any difference.
  Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Connecticut [Mr. 
Gejdenson].
  Mr. GEJDENSON. Mr. Chairman, there were times and there may still be 
times in this country today where there are States where you can get 
married if you are 14 or 15. In my State that is statutory rape. There 
were times in this country where in many States it took years to get a 
divorce, sometimes almost impossible. People could fly to I think Las 
Vegas and other places and get a divorce almost overnight. We did not 
rush to the floor to ban those actions, to make them not apply to the 
State where the individual is a resident.
  What we face here is a challenge of the majority party, the 
Republicans, and the failure of their entire agenda, and they need a 
new scapegoat. To try to salvage their political tailspin, we are here 
on the floor today trying to pick on the powerless. The politics works 
very well. It is not popular out in the countryside. It is a difficult 
issue for most Americans to deal with.
  But if we want to protect families, then we ought to give families 
health care. If we want to protect families, we need to protect their 
pensions. If we want to protect families, we ought not be raiding 
Medicare to give tax breaks to billionaires. If we want to protect 
families, we need to protect their pensions, not to come here today 
with a show-stopper that does very little to protect families and I 
doubt will get the political gain that many are seeking in this 
legislation.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the 
gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. Gekas].
  Mr. GEKAS. I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
  Mr. Chairman, the overwhelming majority of my constituents favor the 
bill that we are presenting to the Congress today, and for concomitant 
reasons oppose the amendment offered by the gentleman from 
Massachusetts.
  If I were not sure of a numerical count of my constituents to 
determine what I have just said, that the majority opposes the Frank 
amendment and supports the underlying bill, I would now have the action 
of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives to bolster that count on 
my part. Recently the Pennsylvania House, only about 2 weeks ago, 
supported a similar bill by a tune of 177-16. In it they endorsed and 
reendorsed, both in the speeches on the floor and the matters of record 
that were included finally in their legislative record, the notion that 
marriage has to be, for the sake of family values, marriage between 
members of the opposite sex.
  So, with all of that, I am guided by the frank expression of the 
Pennsylvania legislature rather than the Frank amendment. I oppose the 
amendment and support the underlying bill.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the 
gentleman from North Carolina [Mr. Funderburk].
  Mr. FUNDERBURK. Mr. Chairman, people in my district in North Carolina 
are outraged by the possibility that our State might be forced to 
recognize same sex marriages performed in other States. They are 
outraged that their tax money could be spent paying veteran's benefits 
or Social Security based on the recognition of same-sex marriages. 
Homosexuals have been saying they only want tolerance--now it is clear 
they have been less than honest. They already have tolerance but are 
aiming for government and corporate mandated acceptance. The Boy Scouts 
of America are under legal attack in the States which have special 
rights for sexual orientation. The Scouts, a private group, are being 
told to abandon their moral code of 80 years and to place young boys 
under homosexual men on camping trips--or face financial ruin. If 
homosexuals achieve the power to pretend that their unions are 
marriages, then people of conscience will be told to ignore their God-
given beliefs and support what they regard as immoral and destructive.
  As the Family Research Council points out: Homosexuality has been 
discouraged in all cultures because it is inherently wrong and harmful 
to individuals, families, and societies. The only reason it has been 
able to gain such prominence in America today is the near blackout on 
information about homosexual behavior itself. We are being treated to a 
steady drumbeat of propaganda echoing the stolen rhetoric of the black 
civil rights movement and misrepresenting science. Now activists are 
demanding that society elevate homosexuality to the moral level of 
marriage. If you are a devout Christian or Jew, or merely someone who 
believes homosexuality is immoral and harmful, and the law declares 
homosexuality a protected status, then your personal beliefs are now 
outside civil law. This has very serious implications, for if the law 
declares opposition to homosexuality as bigotry, then the entire power 
of the civil rights apparatus can be brought against you. Businessmen 
would have to subsidize homosexuality or face legal sanctions; 
schoolchildren will have to be taught that homosexuality is the 
equivalent of marital love; and religious people will be told their 
beliefs are no longer valid.
  Mr. Chairman, let's do what is right and good for America today. 
Let's pass the Defense of Marriage Act and turn down both Frank 
amendments.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I 
may consume.
  I just want to read the portion of the bill that is being stricken by 
this amendment. It is called definition of ``marriage'' and ``spouse.''

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  ``In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any 
ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative 
bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word `marriage' means 
only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, 
and the word `spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who 
is a husband or a wife.''
  The proponents of the amendment before the House now want to strike 
that provision of the bill. They do not agree with that definition of 
marriage. That is what is at issue here. I think the Members need to 
focus on that. Is this House unwilling to take a stand in defining 
marriage in this way?
  We are talking about for purposes of the Federal statute. We have a 
responsibility as the Congress to make a determination on this matter. 
We have a responsibility as the elected representatives of the various 
States to take a stand against what one State is attempting to do.
  This bill does that, as has been discussed and debated at great 
length, and there is nothing offensive about this definition. It has 
been described in many ways, this bill has been described in many ways, 
I will talk about that somewhat later. But if the Members would focus 
on what is in this amendment, I think they will have to come to the 
conclusion that all we are doing in this amendment is reaffirming what 
everyone has always understood by marriage, what everyone has always 
understood by the term ``spouse,'' and we are simply resisting a change 
which is being advanced by a small minority in this country.
  Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the 
gentleman from Maryland [Mr. Gilchrest].
  Mr. GILCHREST. I thank the gentleman from Massachusetts for yielding 
me this time.
  Mr. Chairman, I am not going to stand here and take up a minute to 
tell people on the floor how to vote. I think and I hope earnestly that 
this debate will result in a positive picture for the values of all 
Americans. But what I want to do is quote from two historical figures 
to show that none of us, none of us, have all the right answers to all 
the questions.
  The first one is a figure that changed Catholicism and evolved it 
into the Protestant movement, Martin Luther, in which he said, ``We are 
all weak and ignorant creatures trying to probe and understand the 
incomprehensible majesty of the unfathomable light of the wonder of 
God.'' He was saying each of us do not have all the answers.
  The second historical figure gave a sermon on the side of a mountain. 
He said, and I cannot repeat all of that sermon because there is not 
enough time, but I encourage people in the room and my colleagues to 
read the Sermon on the Mount and especially chapter 7 in Matthew which 
starts off, ``Judge not lest ye be judged.''

                              {time}  1223

  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the 
gentleman from Georgia [Mr. Barr].
  Mr. BARR of Georgia. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding 
me the time.
  Mr. Chairman, I would like to address all of our colleagues here in 
the House, those listening as well as those that are on the floor, on 
both sides of the aisle, because this clearly is a nonpartisan matter. 
One merely has to look at the long list of cosponsors from both sides 
of the aisle. One has to look no further than the thousands of 
communications to Members of Congress on this legislation and recognize 
it is very much bipartisan.
  The issue is clear and not even remotely complex. With this 
amendment, with the Frank amendment, if Members believe that one State 
can now define ``spouse'' or ``marriage'' for all Federal purposes, if 
you believe that it is fiscally responsible to throw open the doors of 
the U.S. Treasury, and if you believe that the will of the vast 
majority of the American citizens has no meaning, no importance 
whatsoever, then vote for the Frank amendment because it represents and 
does all three of those things.
  But if Members believe that the views of a vast majority of American 
citizens are important, do have meaning and ought to be listened to, 
and if Members believe that the Congress of the United States of 
America and not an individual State has the authority and the sole 
jurisdiction and responsibility to decide the use of Federal taxpayer 
benefits, and if you do not believe it is fiscally responsible to throw 
open the doors of the U.S. Treasury to be raided by the homosexual 
movement, then the choice is very clear, oppose the Frank amendment.
  It is a gutting amendment. It is a killing amendment. That is why 
this opponent of the bill is proposing it. It is not complex. It is 
crystal clear. This amendment must be defeated so that the underlying 
bill can go forward, as we believe it will, through both Houses of 
Congress and get to the President's desk so that he, as he has said, 
will sign this important piece of legislation. Let us give him that 
opportunity and not deny him that opportunity by supporting the Frank 
amendment. I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on the Frank amendment.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, how much time do we have 
remaining?
  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] has 6 
minutes remaining, and the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Canady] has 
15\1/2\ minutes remaining.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute and 30 seconds 
to the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Stearns].
  (Mr. STEARNS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. STEARNS. Mr. Chairman, I would like to say to my colleagues in 
the House, this is a defining issue. I believe it even goes further 
than what we have talked about. It is defining in terms of Republicans 
and Democrats. On this side of the aisle so many people have lined up 
to speak, so many people feel so passionately about this, we do not 
even have enough time.
  But you know, one thing I would like to talk about just to be clear 
and not emotional about this, the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. 
Frank] mentions the fact that, he mentions that the Defense of Marriage 
Act preempts States' rights. This is wrong. This is not correct. This 
legislation provides that no State shall be required to give effect to 
a same-sex marriage license if issued by another State, nor does it 
prevent other States from choosing to give effect to same-sex marriage 
licenses from other States.
  This legislation merely provides that States who do not sanction this 
distortion of marriage do not have to recognize it. Sixty-seven percent 
of the people in America agree with this legislation.
  I would like to respond to what I think are Mr. Frank's main 
arguments against the Defense of Marriage Act.
  Mr. Frank says by abandoning the true definition of marriage, 
traditional marriages are not threatened. You are right Mr. Frank you 
are not threatening my marriage. You do not threaten my marriage but 
you do threaten the moral fiber that keeps this Nation together. You 
threaten the future of families which have traditional marriage at 
their very heart. If traditional marriage is thrown by the wayside, 
brought down by your manipulation of the definition that has been 
accepted since the beginning of civilized society, children will suffer 
because family will lose its very essence. Instead of trying to ruin 
families we should be preserving them for future generations.
  You say if we pass the Defense of Marriage Act we are preempting 
States rights. You are wrong Mr. Frank. This legislation provides that 
no State shall be required to give effect to a same-sex marriage 
license if issued by another State; nor does it prevent other States 
from choosing to give effect to same-sex marriage licenses from other 
States. This legislation merely provides States who do not sanction 
this distortion of marriage do not have to recognize it. With at least 
67 percent of people polled opposing the legalization of same-sex 
marriages, we are doing the right thing.
  Mr. Frank may not agree with this also but he is here today pushing a 
definition of marriage which the majority of Americans don't agree 
with. He may use debaters' techniques to divert our attention on this 
matter, but the facts remain.
  Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. STEARNS. I yield to the gentleman from California.
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the reason I have not asked for time during this debate is that I will 
be doing an hour this afternoon following an hour by Mr. Frank, be 
plenty of time for me to discuss that midafternoon, morning in Hawaii.
  This is a defining issue. I did not believe when I came here 20 years 
ago we would ever be discussing homosexuals have the same rights as the 
sacrament of holy matrimony, and I predict, that within 3 or 4 years we 
are going to be discussing pedophilia only for males and that will be 
the subject of my discussion this afternoon.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 45 seconds 
to say first, if people on the other side are content to have the last 
comment stand as representative of their viewpoint, so am I. I would 
say to the gentleman from Florida, he totally misstated this amendment. 
We are on an amendment that appears to have escaped him. He said I said 
it preempts States' rights and then talked about the section of the 
bill not relevant to the amendment. He just got it totally wrong. Yes, 
there is a section that purports to give the States rights that I 
believe the States already have. But there is another section which is 
what this amendment was about, and this second section says that if a 
State does allow such a marriage, the Federal Government would 
recognize it.
  So he was talking about the first section, not about the second 
section. The second section is the subject of the amendment, and I did 
want to point out that he was, therefore, totally inaccurate in his 
representation of what I had said.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the 
gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. Lewis].
  Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for 
yielding me the time.
  Mr. Chairman, 220 years of history in this Nation where we have not 
had to define what marriage is. It has been pretty common knowledge and 
it has been understood by most people. But now we have reached a period 
in our history when we are going to have to define what marriage 
actually is. We have to allow the States to define and Hawaii is going 
to be making that decision and I think in order to allow the other 
States to have that opportunity, then we must proceed with this Defense 
of Marriage Act to make sure that they are not bound by the full faith 
and credit clause to accept something that would not be acceptable to 
the majority of the people in those particular States, or in this 
Nation for that matter. But again, I think it is a sad day that we have 
to stand here in the Capitol of the United States and define what 
marriage actually is.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the 
gentleman from Virginia [Mr. Moran].
  I was looking for that long list of Republicans, which has apparently 
dwindled, that the gentleman was talking about.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the 
gentleman from Virginia [Mr. Moran].
  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Virginia [Mr. Moran] is recognized 
for 3 minutes.
  Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of this amendment because 
I support the U.S. Constitution and particularly the 10th amendment to 
the Constitution.
  As you know, the 10th amendment was designed to prevent us from 
preempting States' right. Yet for this purpose, we are willing to 
federalize the one area of law that has been under State control for 
the last 200 years. What is worse is that it is the Subcommittee on the 
Constitution of our full Committee on the Judiciary that is willing to 
limit for the first time in history the full faith and credit clause of 
the Constitution. The term that the Subcommittee on the Constitution 
uses is that it wants ``to free the States from a constitutional 
compulsion.''
  If we want ``to free the States from a constitutional compulsion,'' 
we ought to do it with a constitutional amendment, not through this 
kind of a statute.
  This bill in fact is both unnecessary and premature. The Hawaii 
appeals court is not expected to reach a final decision until 1997. 
There is no reason to act before that. But by rushing to judgment, 
Congress is preventing the States from free and open deliberation and 
failing to allow them to come to their own determinations.
  States already have the power to refuse to honor same-sex marriages 
conducted in other States under the public policy exemption to the full 
faith and credit clause. This is the law right now. So why are we 
debating an unnecessary bill? I am afraid that the real answer is that 
it is political exploitation of prejudicial attitudes.
  Mr. HYDE. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. MORAN. I yield to the gentleman from Illinois.
  Mr. HYDE. The Chairman, I would just like to ask the gentleman from 
Virginia [Mr. Moran], what effect on your last statement that the 
States have the power to do this, what effect does the Romer versus 
Evans case, decided May 20 of this year, have on that power of the 
States, or are you aware of that case?
  Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, I would submit to the 
gentleman from Illinois [Mr. Hyde] that any State can pass a law now 
under the public policy exemption that makes it clear that whatever 
Hawaii's decision might be, they do not have to recognize it. They have 
that right.
  Mr. HYDE. Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman will continue to yield, does 
the gentleman know the Romer case? Because the Romer case directly 
vitiates what the gentleman just said.
  Mr. MORAN. The gentleman and I have a difference of opinion.
  Mr. HYDE. Mr. Chairman, is the gentleman familiar with the case?
  Mr. MORAN. Mr. Chairman, I do not perceive it in the same way the 
gentleman does. If the gentleman would like to explain why it does, 
then I would be happy to yield the time that I have. I do not interpret 
it as accomplishing what the gentleman said.
  Mr. HYDE. Mr. Chairman, I will send the gentleman a copy of the 
opinion and dissent by Justice Scalia.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I 
may consume.
  Mr. Chairman, we have heard quite a bit about the full faith and 
credit Clause, I think it might be helpful to read it. It is contained 
in article IV, section 1 of the Constitution, and I will read it in its 
entirety.

       Full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the 
     public Acts, Records and judicial Proceedings of every other 
     State, and the Congress may by general laws prescribe the 
     manner in which such Act, Records and Proceedings shall be 
     approved and the effect thereof.

  The full faith and credit clause, which I have just read, recognizes 
a role for the Congress to play in circumstances just such as those 
that are now before us arising from the situation in Hawaii.
  Now, that is one element of this bill. On the other hand, there is an 
element in this bill which deals with Federal law, Federal benefits, 
and the interpretation of the Federal statutes and regulations that use 
the terms ``marriage'' and ``spouse.''
  We have a responsibility as the Congress to determine how Federal 
funds will be spent, and I believe that it is certainly within our 
prerogative to determine that those funds will not be used to support 
an institution which is rejected by the vast majority of the American 
people. We, as their representatives, can take that position. That is 
not in derogation of States' rights. That is simply in fulfillment of 
our responsibilities, and that is what we are doing through this bill.
  Mr. ABERCROMBIE. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. I yield to the gentleman from Hawaii.
  Mr. ABERCROMBIE. Mr. Chairman, I simply want to point out with 
respect to the constant allusions to other States being forced to do 
what may be decided in Hawaii that the case in Hawaii is based on the 
Hawaii State Constitution, which has an expansive provision for the 
right of privacy and a provision against sex discrimination, which by 
definition of the attorneys in the case is stated as only being implied 
at best in the Constitution of the United States. Therefore, they are 
not making any such claim.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, the 
gentleman has made his point. With all due respect to the gentleman 
from Hawaii, the gentleman has not gotten the point here.
  I would point out to the gentleman that there is available for him 
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the other Members a memorandum prepared by the Lambda Legal Defense 
Fund which indicates the clear strategy that is being pursued here. The 
idea of the gay rights legal advocacy community is that they will have 
same-sex marriages recognized in the State of Hawaii, and then folks 
will go there from around the country, be married under the laws of the 
State of Hawaii, and then go back to where they came from and attempt 
to use the full faith and credit clause to force those States to which 
they have returned to recognize the legality of that same-sex union 
contracted in the State of Hawaii.
  That is what is at stake in that part of the bill. That is very 
clear. That is why we are here. How Hawaii happens to get to the point 
of deciding that is a subsidiary issue.
  Now, do I think the courts around the country should be required to 
recognize those same-sex marriages that may be contracted in Hawaii? 
No, I do not think they should be required to. But I do believe that 
there is substantial doubt about that question, and I am concerned that 
there is uncertainty, and this bill is motivated by that uncertainty. 
We are trying to do what we can to put that uncertainty to rest, to 
bring more certainty to the issue. That is the motivation here. That is 
not hard to discern.
  Mr. Chairman, I understand and I respect those people who say, ``We 
think same-sex marriage is a good thing and we think that they should 
be able to go there and then have it recognized elsewhere.'' That is a 
principle position. I disagree with the principle. I vehemently 
disagree with it. We have heard that expressed. But you know, it is 
clear what is going on here. There is a real issue that we are trying 
to deal with.
  Mr. ABERCROMBIE. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. I yield to the gentleman from Hawaii.
  Mr. ABERCROMBIE. Mr. Chairman, that is not the position of the State 
of Hawaii, that this is a good thing. What is trying to be determined 
now is what is imperative based on the Hawaii State Constitution. As 
for the recitation about the Lambda Defense Fund, the Lambda Defense 
Fund turned down the people in Hawaii. They did not want to participate 
in this.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, the 
gentleman will have to continue that on his own time. I would suggest 
to the gentleman that the documents provided by the Lambda Legal 
Defense Fund are very clear, and I do not think there is much mistaking 
what the objective is behind this whole effort.
  It may not turn out that way, even in the absence of this bill, but 
there is a risk that it would and we are trying to address that risk. 
That is very clear. There is no reason to be confused about it. We are 
trying to deal with that uncertainty.
  Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may 
consume to the gentleman from California [Mr. Waxman].
  (Mr. WAXMAN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. WAXMAN. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the Frank amendment 
and in opposition to this legislation.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may 
consume to the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Conyers].
  (Mr. CONYERS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the Frank amendment.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may 
consume to the gentleman from California [Mr. Becerra].
  (Mr. BECERRA asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the bill and in 
support of this particular amendment.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as she 
may consume to the gentlewoman from Texas [Ms. Jackson-Lee].
  (Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas asked and was given permission to revise 
and extend her remarks.)
  Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I rise to support the Frank 
amendment.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as she 
may consume to the gentlewoman from Georgia [Ms. McKinney].
  (Ms. McKINNEY asked and was given permission to revise and extend her 
remarks.)
  Ms. McKINNEY. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the Frank amendment 
and oppose this bill.
  Mr. Chairman, once again, the Republican leadership is seeking to 
divide the American people by appealing to our emotions and fears.
  Rather than working to protect middle-class families in this changing 
economy, the GOP prefers to divert everyone's attention from Republican 
efforts to cripple Medicare and cut taxes for the rich.
  Why, Mr. Chairman, are we targeting gays and lesbians, blacks, and 
immigrants this year, now, today? The answer, pure and simple, is 
politics--election year politics. The Republicans will stop at nothing 
to win the White House and the Congress. They will fan the flames of 
intolerance and bigotry right up to November. And if the result is an 
election won--at the expense of national unity--their attitude is, so 
be it.
  By the time my Republican colleagues are done, this country will be a 
boiling cauldron. This bill doesn't prevent a single divorce, a single 
case of spousal abuse, or protect the institution of marriage.
  Mr. Chairman, America was settled by people fleeing the intolerance 
and bigotry prevalent in Europe. Our Nation has always been a haven for 
those seeking peace, tolerance, and justice.
  The real issues are extremist Republican values versus American 
values. Health care for the elderly and needy versus tax breaks for the 
wealthy. Money for children and education versus money for corporate 
welfare. More police on the streets versus assault weapons in the hands 
of dope dealers.
  In short, the real issue is the kind of America we want--one of hope 
and fairness, or one of division and hate.

                              {time}  1241

  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, may I inquire of the Chair 
concerning the amount of time remaining on each side?
  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] has 3\1/4\ 
minutes remaining and the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Canady] has 6 
minutes remaining.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the 
gentleman from Tennessee [Mr. Bryant].
  Mr. BRYANT of Tennessee. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for 
yielding me this time and I rise in support of this bill.
  Obviously, as one of the original cosponsors of this bill, I feel 
like it is a bill that we ought to pass and I would oppose, as such, 
any amendment to it.
  I think it is very important that we remember much of our history 
lessons, that I am sure have already been discussed here before. 
Without our action, this would be the first time that any religious or 
civil marriage ceremony recognized this type of marriage. It would be 
against the traditional marriage of husband and wife. At some point I 
think this bill recognizes, the underlying bill recognizes the need to 
make this distinction, to draw this line, to clarify it, for it, 
unfortunately at this time, appears to be necessary in this country.
  It is important we accomplish the two things that are contained in 
this bill. First of all, again for the purposes of Federal law, Social 
Security, tax and so forth, it clarifies what the definition of a 
marriage is. A marriage is between one man and one woman. Not more, not 
less, not anything else out there, but, clearly, for the first time, it 
defines for the purposes of Federal law only.
  Certainly we should not allow one State, whether it be Hawaii or any 
other State, to, in effect, establish what the Federal law will be in 
regards to what a marriage is.
  Second, as we discussed already today, it gives the States the right 
to recognize or not to recognize these types of marriages. it does not 
prohibit marriages of same sex but it gives the States those rights to 
do it. And once again it would not be appropriate and it would not be 
fair and it would not be right to those other States out there to have 
their laws controlled in this type of very nontraditional sense by one 
small State, whichever it might be.
  Again I urge my colleagues to vote against this and support the 
underlying bill.

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  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my 
time.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my 
time to my colleague, the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Studds].
  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Studds] is 
recognized for 3\1/4\ minutes.
  (Mr. STUDDS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. STUDDS. Mr. Chairman, earlier this morning, I think somewhere 
around a quarter of two, I observed with some sadness that there was an 
imbalance between the two aisles in this debate.
  Words have been thrown around. Although they have not been taken down 
or requested to be taken down, today I wrote down so far promiscuity, 
perversion, hedonism, narcissism, well, that may be in this House, 
depravity and sin. All, I regret to say, from the same side of the 
aisle.
  I also thought for a moment I was in some kind of a revival meeting 
and was about to be preached at from Leviticus. The particular chapter 
which was implicitly cited from Leviticus is not very popular in my 
district because the next verse forbids the eating of shellfish, and I 
would caution people in citing that.
  Let me also just ask my Republican colleagues. One of them even 
boasted a moment ago and asked people to notice the partisan divisions 
here. If ever there was a nonpartisan issue here, this is it. Sexual 
orientation is the same in Republican families as in Democratic 
families, in Republican Members as in Democratic Members, as in the 
general population. It is a sad and tragic political mistake, never 
mind a moral mistake, for a party to do this. I think that lesson 
should have been learned 4 years ago.
  I observed last night, Mr. Chairman, that it is a mistake sometimes 
to say this is the way things have always been and, therefore, that is 
good and they should always be that way. When this country was founded 
our revered Constitution was written in part by men who owned slaves. 
Women themselves were, in most of these States of ours, were virtually 
chattel. They did not have the right to own property. People of color 
were property for many years after this country was founded. And even 
thereafter, for many years, the different races were not allowed to 
marry.
  I wish Members were here last night to hear our distinguished 
colleague from Georgia, Mr. Lewis, because through him came the words 
and the spirit of a very great American, Dr. King. And this is, whether 
Members like to hear it or not, the last unfinished chapter of civil 
rights in this country.
  Although I have no doubt, I do not think anybody in this room has any 
doubt, about the outcome of the vote today, I have equally no doubt 
about the final resolution of this chapter. We are going to prevail, 
Mr. Chairman. And we are going to prevail just as every other component 
of the civil rights movement in this country has prevailed. In the 
words of the great Dr. King, as echoed so eloquently last night by the 
distinguished gentleman from Georgia, this country is going to rise up 
and live out the true meaning of its creed.
  There is nothing any of us can do today to stop that. We can embrace 
it warmly, as some of us do; we can resist it bitterly, as some of us 
do; but there is no power on earth that can stop it.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my 
time.
  In the course of the debate last evening and today we have heard many 
things from the opponents of the Defense of Marriage Act. They have 
said much about those who support this bill and those who oppose same-
sex marriage. They have described opposition to same-sex marriage and 
support for this bill as laughable, prejudiced, mean spirited, cruel, 
bigoted, despicable, hateful, disgusting, and ignorant.
  One of the leading opponents of the bill has described opposition to 
same-sex marriage as being based on the morality of the club. In the 
course of this debate those making these assertions have congratulated 
themselves on the quality of the debate they have engaged in.
  In my view, all of this is an insult to the American people, 70 
percent of whom oppose same-sex marriages. Seventy percent of the 
American people are not bigots, 70 percent of the American people are 
not prejudiced, 70 percent of the American people are not mean 
spirited, cruel, and hateful. It is a slander against the American 
people themselves to assert that opposition to same-sex marriage is 
immoral.
  All of this rhetoric is simply designed to divert attention from what 
is really at stake here. It is designed to obscure the fundamental 
question that is raised by this bill. It is calculated as a 
distraction. It is an attempt to evade the basic question of whether 
the law of this country should treat homosexual relationships as 
morally equivalent to heterosexual relationships. That is what is at 
stake here.
  Should the law express its neutrality between homosexual and 
heterosexual relationships? Should the law elevate homosexual unions to 
the same status as the heterosexual relationships on which the 
traditional family is based, a status which has been reserved from time 
immemorial for the union between a man and a woman?
  Should this Congress tell the children of America that it is a matter 
of indifference whether they establish families with a partner of the 
opposite sex or cohabit with someone of the same sex? Should this 
Congress tell the children of America that we as a society believe 
there is no moral difference between homosexual relationships and 
heterosexual relationships? Should this Congress tell the children of 
America that in the eyes of the law the parties to a homosexual union 
are entitled to all the rights and privileges that have always been 
reserved for a man and woman united in marriage?
  To all these questions the opponents of this bill say yes. They say a 
resounding yes. They support homosexual marriage. They believe that it 
is a good thing. They believe that opposition to same-sex marriage is 
immoral. They want to tell the children of America that it makes no 
difference whether they choose a partner of the opposite sex or a 
partner of the same sex; that the law of this land is indifferent to 
such matters.
  Those of us who support this bill reject the view that such choices 
are a matter of indifference. We reject the view that the law should be 
indifferent on such matters, and in doing so I think it is 
unquestionable that we have the overwhelming support of the American 
people.
  I would urge my colleagues to listen to the American people, defeat 
this amendment and pass this bill.
  Mr. SKAGGS. Mr. Chairman, first, let me say that this has been one of 
the toughest votes I've had to cast in Congress. I fully embrace the 
idea that marriage is an institution that historically, culturally, and 
morally is set aside to recognize and respect the union of a man and a 
woman. If this bill were a resolution affirming that proposition, I'd 
gladly have voted for it.
  Unfortunately, this bill went far beyond that simple affirmation, 
entering uncharted and very troubling constitutional territory, as well 
as being motivated on the part of some of its advocates by a gratuitous 
hostility toward gays and lesbians. At best, it is unnecessary--for 
reasons I'll explain; at worst, it is dangerous--for reasons I'll 
explain.
  Much has been made of the argument that Hawaii is about to legalize 
same-sex marriage. The truth is, nobody knows what decision the courts 
in Hawaii may make or when they will make it. The Hawaii Supreme Court 
has remanded to a trial court, for a trial on the merits, a case 
brought asserting the claim that the Hawaii State Constitution requires 
recognition of same-sex marriage because that Constitution prohibits 
gender discrimination. That trial is scheduled for later this year; 
with inevitable appeals, no final, appellate decision is likely before 
late 1997 or early 1998. In other words, there's no crisis; no imminent 
threat of same-sex couples from Hawaii presenting themselves as married 
in other States. And so, there's nothing that demands precipitous 
action by Congress on this question.
  In addition to borrowing trouble in assuming the Hawaii case may turn 
out adversely with respect to the traditional view of marriage--a view 
I share--this legislation is most likely completely unnecessary insofar 
as it purports to grant States powers the States already possess to 
reject recognition of same-sex marriages. This point involves an 
examination of an obscure provision of the U.S. Constitution, article 
IV, section 1, known as the full faith and credit clause. That 
provision reads as follows:

       Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the 
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     judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress 
     may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, 
     Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effects 
     thereof.

  The Framers included this clause, borrowed from the Articles of 
Confederation and then expanded significantly, to make sure these 
States were truly united, and not a mere legal patchwork. The gist of 
the clause is that each State must honor the official acts and judicial 
proceedings of the others.
  However, there soon grew up, in judicial interpretation of this 
clause, what's known as the public policy exception. Related primarily 
to the very question of the circumstances under which one State must 
recognize a marriage performed in another State, the courts have held 
that a State can assert its own overriding public policy in refusing to 
recognize an out-of-State marriage that runs counter to its public 
policy. The cases here have dealt with such factors as under-age 
marriages, incestuous marriages, and polygamous marriages. But the 
principle is well established and can certainly be extended by any 
State to the matter of same-sex marriages. In fact, some 14 States have 
already acted to assert such a public-policy position, in anticipation 
of the possibility that they'll face the question.
  There is broad consensus among constitutional scholars that the full 
faith and credit clause already permits such State initiative in behalf 
of protecting the supremacy of one State's public policy as against 
another's attempt to legalize same-sex marriage. Therefore, no need 
exists for Congress to enact a law granting States the power or 
discretion they already enjoy under the public-policy exception to the 
full faith and credit clause. Or, put differently, this legislation is 
unnecessary. Certainly, we've got enough legitimate work to do around 
here without passing laws telling the States they have powers that they 
are already known to have.
  But wait a minute. Perhaps, the States don't have quite all the 
powers this bill would give them, because it also apparently would 
grant States the power to ignore certain final judicial proceedings 
concluded in another State. The public-policy exception has not 
previously been construed to go that far.
  What does that really mean? Where does it come from? I believe that 
dimension of this legislation can only be rationalized constitutionally 
as falling under the scope of the last three words of the full faith 
and credit clause, which provide that ``Congress may by general Laws 
prescribe * * * the Effect thereof.'' (Emphasis added.)
  We have no explicit Supreme Court interpretation of these words to 
rely on. One possibility is a fairly limited meaning, consistent with 
the notion that Congress can figure out how best to implement and give 
effect to the interstate rights and responsibilities already prescribed 
by the earlier words in the clause. If this is correct, ``the effect 
thereof'' can't be the basis for expanding the public-policy exception 
beyond the bounds that already exist. And, if that's the case, then 
again, this legislation is merely redundant and unnecessary.

  The other possible reading of these words, and the one evidently 
asserted by the proponents of this legislation, is that they provide 
back-door authority for Congress by law to greatly expand the now very-
limited public-policy exception to full faith and credit. But think 
about that.
  If you can believe it, we have here an allegedly State's-rights-
minded Congress offering up new constitutional theory to justify a 
whole new basis on which to nationalize and centralize vast areas of 
law heretofore left to the States. If this rational is sound in this 
instance as to same-sex marriages--and I don't believe it is--then what 
are the bounds of this new Congressional power to preempt State law 
under the guise of ``by general Laws prescrib[ing] * * * the Effect 
thereof''? I this legislation permits State A to ignore the final 
judgment of the courts of State B as to any claim derived from a same-
sex marriage, then there is no constitutional bar to our passing a law 
authorizing State A to ignore State B's no-fault divorce decrees, or 
anything else.
  It should be self-evident that this is an extraordinarily dangerous 
constitutional precedent. It takes the objective of the full faith and 
credit clause in unifying the States and assuring interstate comity, 
and turns it on its head. The potential for mischief and invidious 
intrusion of the Federal Government into State affairs boggles the 
mind.
  I wish to preserve the institution of marriage for the honorable and 
traditional relationship between a man and women. But reserving that 
word for that institution means just that.
  I also recognize that gay and lesbian couples seek legal recognition 
and permanence for their relationships and the rights and 
responsibilities that flow from those relationships. I hope this 
society, and its political and legal institutions, can move to 
accommodate the legitimate needs of gay and lesbian citizens in this 
respect. No one, I believe, would want, for example, to deny a claim of 
inheritance, or of participation in terminal health care decisions, for 
the life-long partner of a gay man or lesbian woman. Yet, by refusing 
as part of this legislation even to permit a formal study of disparate 
treatment of domestic partnerships in these areas, the proponents of 
this legislation may reveal their real motivation.
  Because there is no imminent problem of same-sex marriage-being 
legalized, because, even if there were, the full faith and credit 
clause's public-policy exception already gives States the power not to 
recognize such a marriage, because this legislation is therefore 
unnecessary, because in its insinuation of new and constitutionally 
suspect congressional power under ``the Effects thereof'' phrase this 
legislation is unwise, and because so many advocates of the 
legislation, by their approach, seem primarily moved to demonstrate a 
gratuitous disrespect for some citizens based on their sexual 
orientation, I cannot support it and will vote against it.
  My faith in the fair-mindedness of the American people is unshakable. 
This legislation is not true to that wonderful American virtue.
  Mr. GUNDERSON. Mr. Chairman, I am a traditionalist. My entire life's 
environment and upbringing have created within me a respect for 
traditional values. Theology interprets marriage as a union between one 
man and one woman. Random House Dictionary defines marriage as a union 
between man and woman.
  Accordingly, tho I am a gay man in a 13-year relationship, I was 
fully prepared to reach out to my colleagues in reaffirming the 
institution of marriage as we know and understand it. Throughout these 
discussions, I have suggested to my gay and lesbian friends that we 
should not resort to some semantic debate about the word ``marriage.''
  As this issue evolved, I went to Chairman Hyde and to Speaker 
Gingrich. I said to them, ``I am willing to join with you in 
reaffirming the definition of marriage, tho I am a gay man. All I ask 
in return is that you remove the `meanness, prejudice, and hatred' 
surrounding this issue.''
  I went further.
  The debate fails to recognize the painful reality thrown on many 
innocent people who happen to be in long-term relationships outside of 
marriage. For example, if I should get sick, should not my partner have 
automatic visitation rights? Should he not have automatic consultation 
rights with the attending physician? I think most would say ``yes.'' 
But I have letters from many people in my office indicating that from 
cancer to AIDS, they have been denied this basic right.
  Second, a close friend of ours recently lost his partner of 16 years 
to AIDS. While the hospital in Washington respected the relationship 
and gave him visitation--something worse happened after his partner's 
death. The funeral home would not allow him to sign any of the 
documents or arrangement forms.
  Third, I have a 13-year relationship with my partner. Yet, while some 
of my congressional colleagues are in their second or third marriage--
their spouse receives the benefits of their health insurance, and 
automatically receives their survivor benefits should that occur. Why 
should they be given these benefits, when my partner--in a relationship 
much longer than theirs--is denied the same?
  Many corporations would like to extend such benefits to the domestic 
partners of their employees. The problem is that there is no agreement 
on a civil process to recognize legitimate long-term relationships from 
those who would simple seek to fraud the system.
  These are just some of the basic questions that our society must and 
should ask. If we seek civility, mutual respect, and the promotion of 
long-term relationships--in marriage or otherwise--then we have no 
choice. Accordingly, I asked my leadership to accept an amendment I or 
others would offer creating a commission to look at such questions.
  Chairman Hyde responded that while he could not support a commission, 
he would support a GAO study of such questions. Based upon this act of 
goodwill, I developed an amendment to accomplish this goal. We created 
an amendment which would call upon GAO to look at the question of the 
differences in benefits, rights, and privileges available to persons in 
marriage versus those in a domestic partnership. The study would look 
at State laws on these questions, Federal differences in benefits, and 
even how other nations responded to such relationships. The study would 
be complete by October 1997. It would not change any policy. Rather, it 
would simply provide the basis of information necessary for rational 
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  To their credit, both Mr. Hyde and Speaker Gingrich told me 
personally they believed there was merit in my proposal. However, when 
this amendment was offered to the Rules Committee for consideration--it 
was denied recognition before the full House.
  Unfortunately, this action exposes those who advance this legislation 
for their real goals. There is no sincere attempt to simply reaffirm 
marriage. There is certainly no attempt to respond to legitimate and 
real issues facing many Americans in 1996. There is, unfortunately, 
every attempt to pursue a mean, political-wedge issue at the expense of 
the gay and lesbian community in this country. And it hurts me deeply 
to say that about my own party.
  This legislation will do nothing to defend marriage. May I suggest 
that no gay man is after your wives, and no lesbian is after your 
husbands. If marriage is at risk in this country, and it may be--there 
are other more real factors at the heart of this problem. May I suggest 
that alcohol abuse, spousal abuse, and even Sunday football are far 
more likely to destroy marriage. Perhaps if people really meant it when 
they said their marital vows, marriage would be more stable. Perhaps if 
people were more willing to pursue marriage counseling, when necessary, 
the institution of marriage would be better off. There may be a 
problem, but we ought to go after the legitimate cause of that problem, 
not some scapegoat for political gain.

  Is this legislation necessary? No. There is not a single State in the 
Union today where gay and lesbian marriages are legal. There exists 
only one State in the Nation that even is debating such an issue in the 
courts--and that State's court will not decide the issue for at least 2 
years.
  Is this legislation constitutional? I am not a lawyer, but the 
constitutional scholars I have spoken with and whose opinions I have 
read say that, ultimately, it will be declared unconstitutional. Simply 
stated, the second sentence of the full faith and credit clause of the 
Constitution permits Congress only to specify the conditions under 
which one State must recognize the public acts and records of another 
State. Congress is not given the authority to override the mandate of 
the first sentence which requires one State to give full faith and 
credit to the laws of another State. Similarly, to the extent that the 
legislation creates a status-based classification of persons for its 
own sake, it violates the recently articulated principle in the 
landmark case of Romer versus Evans which was decided on May 20 of this 
year.
  Is this legislation morally principled? Perhaps, more than anything 
else, my colleagues advancing this legislation believe they are 
advancing the basic Judeo-Christian ethics of our Nation. I would 
encourage them to pursue a closer analysis of the Bible. No where in 
the Bible does Jesus condemn homosexuality. There are many places where 
Jesus condemns divorce. How can people, who have been divorced, suggest 
that they can defend marriage by condemning hoe involved in single-sex 
relationships?
  Mr. Chairman, this legislation before us it not a priority in the 
eyes of the American people. We are not responding to some public 
demand or crisis. Rather, this legislation was designed, pure and 
simple, to drive some political wedge for political gain. The first 
hope, was that the President would veto this legislation--and it would 
be used against him. When the President announced that he would sign 
the bill, the focus then was directed on finding some Democrat in a 
marginal district that would vote against the bill on principle, only 
to then lose the political debate back home.
  If there was a legitimate desire to reaffirm marriage in a civil, 
respectful, and realistic way that recognized the reality of long-term 
relationships in America today. I reached out to my leadership to find 
a common middle ground--achieving their goals, without the hatred, 
prejudice, meanness, and insensitivity directed to those who happen to 
be gay or lesbian. That good faith effort was intentionally rejected.
  I am willing to reach out, listen to, and work with all elements of 
society to find common ground upon which we as a diverse nation might 
go forward. I am not willing, however, to participate in a blatant 
attempt to score political points at the expense of those in our 
society who might be gay or lesbian. Therefore, I must oppose this 
bill.
  Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Chairman, as a cosponsor of H.R. 3396, the 
Defense of Marriage Act, I rise in strong support of the bill. We must 
work to strengthen the American family, which is the bedrock of our 
society. And, marriage of a man and woman is the foundation of the 
family. The marriage relationship provides children with the best 
environment in which to grow and learn. We need to work to restore 
marriage, and it is vital that we protect marriage against attempts to 
redefine it in a way that causes the family to lose its special 
meaning. In the 1885 case of Murphy v. Ramsey, the U.S. Supreme Court 
defined marriage as the ``union for life of one man and one woman in 
the holy estate of matrimony.''
  Unfortunately, the courts of Hawaii are in the process of deciding if 
the State is going to sanction marriages between people of the same sex 
despite the Hawaiian people's clear rejection of such a policy change. 
The repercussions could be felt by the Federal Government and the other 
49 States almost immediately. The full faith and credit provisions of 
the Constitution, article IV, require recognition of the ``public Acts, 
Records, and judicial Proceedings'' of each State. However, Congress 
has the authority to prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, 
and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
  Federal policies could be dramatically affected by the Hawaii 
decision since the Federal Government generally recognizes State 
documents in granting benefits and privileges to married individuals. 
Veterans' benefits, labor policies, Federal health and pension 
benefits, and Social Security benefits are just a few of the areas that 
would be subjected to substantive revision if Congress does not act 
soon. I think it would be wrong to take money out of the pockets of 
working families across America and use those tax dollars to give 
Federal acceptance and financial support to same sex-marriages. Without 
the passage of the Defense of Marriage Act, this would be the case.
  The American people clearly recognize the importance of protecting 
the sanctity of marriage. We should not be forced to give public 
sanction to relationships that clearly fall outside the scope of our 
Nation's traditional understanding of marriage as the legal union 
between one man and one woman as husband and wife. This act will 
protect the institution of marriage which has been and will remain the 
foundation of Western civilization.
  Mr. COYNE. Mr. Chairman, H.R. 3396, the Defense of Marriage Act, 
presently before the House is unnecessary, untimely, purports to solve 
a problem that does not exist, professes to defend an institution--
marriage--that is not under attack in the manner suggested by the 
legislation, and violates the full faith and credit clause of the 
Constitution. This legislation is before us as part of a political 
agenda and for no other reason. It is a proposed solution looking for a 
problem.
  This legislation is simply yet another attempt by the Republican 
majority to shift the Nation's attention away from their extreme agenda 
that hurts children, the elderly, and the poor. Under current law, 
States will continue to be free to decline to recognize same-sex 
marriages if they choose. To date, nearly 80 percent of the States--
37--have already addressed the issue of same-sex marriages in their 
legislatures. Eighteen States thus far have had legislation banning 
same-sex marriages either fail or die in the legislative process and 13 
States have passed legislation that would deny recognition to same-sex 
marriages. In fact, the House of Representatives in my State of 
Pennsylvania voted on June 28th of this year to prohibit same-sex 
marriages. These statistics hardly present a compelling mandate for the 
Federal Government to step in and rescue the States.
  Unlike the future solvency of the Medicare Program or the problems 
associated with ensuring that all Americans have the opportunity to 
earn a living wage and enjoy a decent retirement, establishing a 
Federal definition of marriage, when every State has already addressed 
this issue, is not the most pressing item of business before Congress. 
There is no clear and compelling reason to address this issue at this 
time.
  I oppose this legislation because I believe that States should 
continue to have the freedom to define their own policies toward 
marriage as they have had for the past 220 years.
  Mr. ENSIGN. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of H.R. 3396, the Defense 
of Marriage Act.
  The need to enact legislation to preserve the fundamental definition 
of matrimony as a union between one man and one woman is pressing and 
necessary. This legislation is not about mean-spirited antics or 
election year politics. A pending ruling by a Hawaii court could 
legalize same-sex marriages in that State. According to the full faith 
and credit clause of the Constitution, unless Congress says otherwise, 
the other 49 States in the Union would be required to abide by the 
Hawaii decision. Requiring the entire Nation to discard the will of the 
clear majority of Americans undermines our democracy and would deny 
other States the opportunity to enforce laws banning the recognition of 
same-sex marriages.
  The time-honored and unique institution of marriage between one man 
and one woman is a fundamental pillar of our society and its values. 
The Defense of Marriage Act does not deny citizens the opportunity--
either through their elected representatives or ballot referendum--to 
enact legislation recognizing same-sex marriages or domestic 
partnerships within their own borders. The Defense of Marriage Act says 
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own policy and that the Federal Government has a right to define who is 
entitled to benefits as a spouse. This legislation is consistent with 
the need to return power and decisionmaking to the States where it 
rightfully belongs.
  Mr. Chairman, I think it is important to carefully examine the issue 
of same-sex marriages and separate two fundamental issues. The first 
issue involves the question of whether individuals have a right to 
privacy and the choice to live as they see fit. I think most Americans, 
myself included, would agree that everyone should have the right to 
privacy. The second issue involves the question of whether all States 
must follow Hawaii's example, and has greater societal and 
constitutional implications than the issue of privacy. The Defense of 
Marriage Act addresses the second issue and does nothing to deny an 
individual his or her right to privacy.
  During a time when the traditional two-parent family is becoming the 
exception, I believe it is important to reaffirm our commitment to 
ensuring that moms and dads are encouraged and strengthened in the task 
of raising their children.
  I urge my colleagues to support this legislation.
  Mr. SMITH of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of H.R. 
3396, the ``Defense of Marriage Act.''
  Many of my colleagues today will give eloquent legal arguments in 
favor of this legislation. Rather than focus on the legal need for this 
legislation, I would like to discuss some of the reasons why I feel it 
is morally necessary.
  Same-sex ``marriages'' demean the fundamental institution of 
marriage. They legitimize unnatural and immoral behavior. And they 
trivialize marriage as a mere ``lifestyle choice.''
  The institution of marriage sets a necessary and high standard. 
Anything that lowers this standard, as same-sex ``marriages'' do, 
inevitably belittles marriage.
  Traditional marriage has served across the majority of cultures as a 
foundation for a stable society. Undermining traditional marriage by 
forcing States to legalize same-sex ``marriages'' will have far-
reaching social consequences. The attempt to legitimize same-sex 
``marriages'' threatens our cultural values that have proved their 
worth down the centuries.
  Those who seek to overturn our system of values are attempting to 
achieve not just toleration of their behavior, but full social 
acceptance as well. We should not undermine the standards that elevate 
civilization.
  We must act now to preserve traditional marriage as the foundation of 
American society. I urge my colleagues to defend the institution of 
marriage by voting ``yes'' on H.R. 3396.

                [From the National Review, June 3, 1996]

                        The Misanthrope's Corner

                           (By Florence King)

       Gay marriage is a consummation devoutly to be missed, but 
     it's a dead cert. If you doubt it, try to remember the last 
     time America turned down a vocal minority. In the Sixties we 
     were the Girl Who Can't Say No, but she was a font of virtue 
     compared to what we are now. Overcome by miasmic gases of 
     diversity and inclusion wafting from the Nineties swamp, we 
     have turned into the Punchdrunk Kid, a twitching lummox with 
     cauliflower ears who mumbles ``Sure, Jake, sure'' to 
     everybody.
       The preliminary stage of brainwashing is already underway. 
     ``Husband'' and ``wife'' are yielding to ``spouse,'' a vague 
     usage that benefits no one but gays. Gov. Roy Romer recently 
     vetoed Colorado's proposed anti-gay marriage law, calling it 
     ``mean-spirited,'' a word that functions in America like the 
     bell in Pavlov's laboratory. And now Bill Clinton has 
     announced, through his gay-liaison office, that he is 
     ``personally opposed'' to homosexual marriage. This 
     phraseology, a staple of the abortion debate, is a reminder 
     not to let our premises stand in the way of our conclusions.
       The major brainwashing, soon to begin, will proceed as 
     follows.
       Magazines will run cover stories that thinking Americans--
     all 17 of us--recognize as that brand of persuasion called 
     ``nibbled to death by a duck.'' Time does ``Debating Same-Sex 
     Marriage'' and Newsweek does ``Rethinking Gay Marriage.'' 
     Lofty opinion journals weight in with ``A Symposium on,'' 
     ``In Defense of,'' and ``Voices from,'' while Parade does 
     ``If They Say I do' . . . Will We Say `You Can't' '' Cover 
     art consists of a pair of wedding rings sporting identical 
     biological signs: two arrow-shooting circles for men, two 
     mirror-handle circles for women. We will start seeing these 
     logos in our sleep.
       Next, the pundits. Molly Ivins writes ``Bubba, Hold Yore 
     Peace.'' Ellen Goodman waxes earnest about tradition 
     versus change in ``Something Old, Something New,'' Ruth 
     Shalit writes something borrowed, and Richard Cohen, 
     Victim America's identifier-in-chief, does a column called 
     ``We're All Single.''
       Arianna Huffington will figure out a compassionate way to 
     be against gay marriage, but most conservatives stand to fare 
     badly in this debate. Will Durant wrote, ``When religion 
     submits to reason it begins to die.'' In a media-saturated 
     society teeming with talk-show producers casting dragnets 
     over think tanks, proponents of gay marriage, win merely by 
     being scheduled. By contrast, the conservative instinctively 
     recoils from analyzing eternal verities. He may know the 
     words to legal arguments such as ``the need to show a 
     compelling state interest, etc,'' but he doesn't know the 
     tune. In the final analysis he believes in the sanctity of 
     marriage ``just because.''
       To liberals, the just-because mindset betokens racism. 
     Therefore, anyone who opposes gay marriage must hate blacks. 
     Anti-gay marriage laws will be equated with the old anti-
     miscegenation laws, producing tortured sophistry about ``the 
     difference between race and sex.'' The liberal will claim 
     that all differences are the same, forcing the conservative 
     to claim that some differences are more different than 
     others. Caught in an Orwellian trap, terrified of being 
     called a racist, he will seek safety in a soundbite of 
     chortling folksiness.
       ``When a baby is born, people don't say `it's white' or 
     `it's black,' they say `it's boy' or `it's girl.' ''
       Because this makes no sense, it becomes instantly popular. 
     Repeated incessantly on talk shows, it starts running through 
     our heads like the beat-beat-beat of the tom-toms in ``Begin 
     the Beguine,'' intensifying when Bob Dole soundbites it into 
     a back-to-basics vision of blood and sex and whatever in a 
     prime-time press conference.
       Then Jesse Jackson and the feminists change the word order, 
     ostentatiously placing ``black'' before ``white'' and 
     ``girl'' before ``boy''. Remembering to say it the PC way 
     becomes such an overriding obsession that we forget what it 
     has to do with gay marriage, especially after Clarence Page 
     points out that in slave days the color of a baby was indeed 
     the first thing people noticed.
       Soon, Republicans panicked by mounting accusations of 
     racism suggest that gay couples be allowed to register their 
     unions and establish common-law marriages based on seven 
     years of cohabitation. But gays reject these half measures, 
     comparing them to the irregular marriages of slavery, when 
     couples ``jumped over the broom.''
       All attempts at compromise elicit cries of ``Second-class 
     marriage!'' and lead to lawsuits under the Americans with 
     Disabilities Act. Calling themselves ``connubially 
     challenged,'' gays will sue the Christian Coalition for 
     forcing them to lead immoral lives. Arguing that marriage 
     will keep them from promiscuity, which will keep them from 
     getting AIDS, they will equate prohibition of same-sex 
     marriage with capital punishment. A Clinton judicial 
     appointee will find the ``right'' to gay marriage lurking 
     under a constitutional penumbra, and CNN will give a 900 
     number so viewers can vote yes to prove they aren't racists.
       I find it ironic that gays are now singing the praises of 
     wedded bliss in terms that were the bane of my existence 
     forty years ago, when ``settling down'' proved you were 
     ``mature and responsible.'' If they keep it up, they will 
     corroborate the English prostitute who plied her trade in the 
     States and wound up in a book about American sexual 
     attitudes. A great many of her clients, she said, showed her 
     photos of their wives and children. Clearly bemused, her sign 
     almost audible on the page, she added: ``Yanks are born 
     married.''
       My personal opinion of marriage reflects my status as a 
     pariah in the Fifties snuggery of joined-at-the-hip 
     Togetherness. ``Rather a beggar woman and single be, than 
     Queen and married,'' said Elizabeth I, and so say I. My 
     objective opinion, however, conforms with Timothy Dwight: 
     ``It is incomparably better that individuals should suffer 
     than that an institution, which is the basis of all human 
     good, should be shaken or endangered.

                [From the Washington Post, May 21, 1996]

                          Not a Very Good Idea

                        (By William J. Bennett)

       We are engaged in a debate which, in a less confused time, 
     would be considered pointless and even oxymoronic: the 
     question of same-sex marriage.
       But we are where we are. The Hawaii Supreme Court has 
     discovered a new state constitutional ``right''--the legal 
     union of same-sex couples. Unless a ``compelling state 
     interest'' can be shown against them, Hawaii will become the 
     first state to sanction such unions. And if Hawaii legalizes 
     same-sex marriages, other states might well have to recognize 
     them because of the Constitution's Full Faith and Credit 
     Clause. Some in Congress recently introduced legislation to 
     prevent this from happening.
       Now, anyone who has known someone who has struggled with 
     his homosexuality can appreciate the poignancy, human pain 
     and sense of exclusion that are often involved. One can 
     therefore understand the effort to achieve for homosexual 
     unions both legal recognition and social acceptance. 
     Advocates of homosexual marriages even make what appears to 
     be a sound conservative argument: Allow marriage in order to 
     promote faithfulness and monogamy. This is an intelligent and 
     politically shrewd argument. One can even concede that it 
     might benefit some people. But I believe that overall, 
     allowing same-sex marriages would do significant, long-term 
     social damage.
       Recognizing the legal union of gay and lesbian couples 
     would represent a profound change in the meaning and 
     definition of marriage. Indeed, it would be the most radical 
     step ever taken in the deconstruction of society's most 
     important institution. It is not a step we ought to take.

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       The function of marriage is not elastic; the institution is 
     already fragile enough. Broadening its definition to include 
     same-sex marriages would stretch it almost beyond 
     recognition--and new attempts to broaden the definition still 
     further would surely follow. On what principled grounds could 
     the advocates of same-sex marriage oppose the marriage of two 
     consenting brothers? How could they explain why we ought to 
     deny a marriage license to a bisexual who wants to marry two 
     people? After all, doing so would be a denial of that 
     person's sexuality. In our time, there are more (not fewer) 
     reasons than ever to preserve the essence of marriage.
       Marriage is not an arbitrary constrict; it is an 
     ``honorable estate'' based on the different, complementary 
     nature of men and women--and how they refine, support, 
     encourage and complete one another. To insist that we 
     maintain this traditional understanding of marriage is not an 
     attempt to put others down. It is simply an acknowledgment 
     and celebration of our most precious and important social 
     act.
       Nor is this view arbitrary or idiosyncratic. It mirrors the 
     accumulated wisdom of millennia and the teaching of every 
     major religion. Among worldwide cultures, where there are so 
     few common threads, it is not a coincidence that marriage is 
     almost universally recognized as an act meant to unite a man 
     and a woman.
       To say that same-sex unions are not comparable to 
     heterosexual marriages is not an argument for intolerance, 
     bigotry or lack of compassion (although I am fully aware that 
     it will be considered so by some). But it is an argument for 
     making distinctions in law about relationships that are 
     themselves distinct. Even Andrew Sullivan, among the most 
     intelligent advocates of same-sex marriage, has admitted that 
     a homosexual marriage contract will entail a greater 
     understanding of the need for ``extramarital outlets.'' He 
     argues that gay male relationships are served by the 
     ``openness of the contract,'' and he has written that 
     homosexuals should resist allowing their ``varied and 
     complicated lives'' to be flattened into a ``single, 
     moralistic model.''
       But this ``single, moralistic model'' is precisely the 
     point. The marriage commitment between a man and a woman does 
     not--it cannot--countenance extramarital outlets. By 
     definition it is not an open contract; its essential idea is 
     fidelity. Obviously that is not always honored in practice. 
     But it is normative, the ideal to which we aspire precisely 
     because we believe some things are right (faithfulness in 
     marriage) and others are wrong (adultery). In insisting that 
     marriage accommodate the less restrained sexual practices of 
     homosexuals, Sullivan and his allies destroy the very thing 
     that supposedly has drawn them to marriage in the first 
     place.
       There are other arguments to consider against same-sex 
     marriage--for example, the signals it would send, and the 
     impact of such signals on the shaping of human sexuality, 
     particularly among the young. Former Harvard professor E.L. 
     Pattullo has written that ``a very substantial number of 
     people are born with the potential to live either straight or 
     gay lives.'' Societal indifference about heterosexuality and 
     homosexuality would cause a lot of confusion. A remarkable 
     1993 article in The Post supports this point. Fifty teenagers 
     and dozens of school counselors and parents from the local 
     area were interviewed. According to the article, teenagers 
     said it has become ``cool'' for students to proclaim they are 
     gay or bisexual--even for some who are not. Not surprisingly, 
     the caseload of teenagers in ``sexual identity crisis'' 
     doubled in one year. ``Everything is front page, gay and 
     homosexual,'' according to one psychologist who works with 
     the schools. ``Kids are jumping on it . . . [counselors] are 
     saying, `What are we going to do with all these kids 
     proclaiming they are bisexual or homosexual when we know they 
     are not?' ''
       If the law recognizes homosexual marriages as the legal 
     equivalent of heterosexual marriages, it will have enormous 
     repercussions in many areas. Consider just two: sex education 
     in the school and adoption. The sex education curriculum of 
     public schools would have to teach that heterosexual and 
     homosexual marriage are equivalent. ``Heather Has Two 
     Mommies'' would no longer be regarded as an anomaly; it would 
     more likely become a staple of sex education curriculum. 
     Parents who want their children to be taught (for both moral 
     and utilitarian reasons) the privileged status of 
     heterosexual marriage will be portrayed as intolerant bigots; 
     they will necessarily be at odds with the new law of 
     matrimony and its derivative curriculum.
       Homosexual couples will also have equal claim with 
     heterosexual couples in adopting children, forcing us (in law 
     at least) to deny what we know to be true: that it is far 
     better for a child to be raised by a mother and a father than 
     by, say, two male homosexuals.
       The institution of marriage is already reeling because of 
     the effects of the sexual revolution, no-fault divorce and 
     out-of-wedlock births. We have reaped the consequences of its 
     devaluation. It is exceedingly imprudent to conduct a 
     radical, untested and inherently flawed social experiment on 
     an institution that is the keystone in the arch of 
     civilization. That we have to debate this issue at all tells 
     us that the arch has slipped. Getting it firmly back in place 
     is, as the lawyers say, a ``compelling state interest.''

  Mr. LIPINSKI. Mr. Chairman, I rise today to express my full support 
of the Defense of Marriage Act. The issue of homosexual marriage is a 
major concern to many Americans, and I feel that the time has come for 
Congress to take a stand. What we say today and how we vote on this 
bill have both legal and moral ramifications for years to come. We 
cannot sit by and do nothing.
  Legally, the Defense of Marriage Act is what its title states. It 
will define the act of marriage for Federal purposes and preserve its 
sanctity. Currently, Federal law has no definition of the words 
``marriage'' or ``spouse,'' even though the Federal Government uses 
those terms frequently. Traditionally, it has relied upon the relevant 
State's law when applying those terms. However, today we are at a 
crossroads with this practice, and it is time to make a choice. Right 
now a lawsuit in Hawaii may lead to the legalization of homosexual 
marriages in that State. The repercussions of such a decision would 
legally affect us all. The full faith and credit clause of the 
Constitution requires that every State honor the ``Public Acts, Records 
and Judicial Proceedings of [every other] State unless specified by 
Congress.'' By this clause, all 49 other States would then be required 
by law to recognize a marriage between members of the same sex as legal 
for all State purposes. Further, because we currently have no 
definition of marriage on the rule books, the Federal Government would 
be forced to recognize such homosexual marriages for Federal benefit 
purposes.
  The Defense of Marriage Act would safeguard the rest of the country 
from the decision made by one State. The American people might be 
surprised to learn that this bill would not outlaw homosexual 
marriages; although I believe it should--it would simply exempt a State 
from legally recognizing a marriage that did not fit it's own 
definition of marriage. States would still be free to recognize gay 
marriages if they so choose. However, and most importantly, this act 
would define ``marriage'' as ``only a legal union between one man and 
one woman as husband and wife'' at the Federal level. This Federal 
definition would ensure that a State could not define a ``marriage'' 
that the Federal Government would have to recognize. If the Federal 
Government does not act now, and Hawaii legalizes homosexual marriage, 
the Federal Government would then be obliged to provide the same 
benefits that heterosexual marriages currently receive. Unless this 
bill is passed establishing a Federal definition of marriage, all 
Americans will then be paying for benefits for homosexual marriages.
  Yes, we must put our foot down. Unless we pass the Defense of 
Marriage Act, we will putting our stamp of approval on gay marriages, 
forcing the rest of the Nation to follow the whim of one State. This 
bill simply preserves the sanctity of the act of marriage between a man 
and a woman. It is a bill which will ensure that each State will not 
have to follow the lead of another on this issue. This bill will give 
each State the leverage it deserves to decide for itself whether or not 
to legalize gay marriages.
  However, as we all know, this is more than just a legal discussion. 
We are here because the issue of gay marriages is a moral one. 
Marriage, no matter what your religious belief, is a sacred act. It is 
the joining of a man and a woman in a unity that is officially 
recognized by the State. Marriage is the foundation of our society; 
families are built on it and values are passed on through it. In our 
current age, where the sanctity of marriage is constantly being 
compromised, I feel that we must seize this rare opportunity to 
strengthen it. Homosexual marriages are not necessary; gays can legally 
achieve the same legal ends as marriage through draft wills, medical 
powers of attorney, and contractual agreements in the event that the 
relationship should end. Therefore, asking the rest of the country to 
recognize such marriages does nothing that the law cannot currently do, 
it is simply asking for special privileges.
  I feel that marriage is not an area where the law should bend. Our 
Nation's moral fabric is based on this sacred institution. Homosexual 
marriages would destroy thousands of years of tradition which has 
upheld our society. Marriage has already been undermined by no-fault 
divorce, pregnancies out of wedlock, and sexual promiscuity. Allowing 
for gay marriages would be the final straw, it would devalue the love 
between a man and a woman and weaken us as a Nation. I have received 
numerous letters and calls from constituents asking me to vote for this 
legislation. Literally thousands of churches across the country have 
asked us for our support. The American people have spoken, and now we 
have the responsibility to answer them. My fellow Congressmen and 
Congresswomen, I hope that you have the moral strength to vote with me 
for this bill so that it may be passed. Our country's moral future 
depends on it.
  Mr. JACKSON of Illinois. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity 
to address what I fear to be the serious constitutional implications 
implicit in H.R. 3396, ``Defense of Marriage Act.'' Specifically, I am 
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this bill poses serious constitutional questions on two grounds: First, 
the full faith and credit clause of the U.S. Constitution, and second, 
the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution.
  Upon hearing proponents of this bill argue that this bill does not 
violate the full faith and credit clause of the U.S. Constitution, and 
after studying the analysis of constitutional experts, and in 
particular, Prof. Chai Feldblum of the Georgetown University Law 
Center, I feel compelled to express my serious concerns on this point.


           implications for the full faith and credit clause

  While the Supreme Court has not specifically applied the full faith 
and credit clause to the status of marriage, we do know that there is 
absolutely no legal precedent for Congress to invite some States to 
ignore the official acts of others. Mr. Chairman, section 2 of this 
bill adds a section to the Federal full faith and credit statute, which 
is no doubt an unconstitutional attempt to do just this.
  The full faith and credit clause of the U.S. Constitution, article 
IV, clause 1, provides, and I quote:
  Sentence One:

       Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the 
     public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other 
     State.

  Sentence Two:

       And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the manner 
     in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, 
     and the Effect thereof.

  In other words, each State must give ``full faith and credit'' to 
other State laws, and must fully recognize the acts and proceedings of 
other States. For example, in the case of Williams v. North Carolina, 
317 U.S. 287, 295 (1942), the Supreme Court interpreted the clause as 
serving the purpose of ``alter[ing] the status of the several states as 
independent foreign sovereignties, each free to ignore the obligations 
created under the laws or by the judicial proceedings of the others, 
and to make them integral parts of a single nation.''
  Never once has Congress implemented laws allowing States not to 
recognize certain ``Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings'' of 
another State. In fact, Congress has heightened each State's 
recognition responsibilities under the clause by enacting the following 
pieces of legislation:
  First, the Parental Kidnapping Prevention Act of 1990 requires States 
to enforce, not ignore, other States' child custody determinations;
  Second, the Full Faith and Credit for Child Support Orders of 1994 
requires that other States enforce, not ignore, child support 
determinations of other States; and
  Third, the Safe Homes of Women Act of 1994 requires that States 
recognize, not ignore, the protective orders of other States to protect 
victims of domestic violence.
  Thus, Congress has only passed legislation strengthening, not 
weakening, requirements on States to recognize the ``Acts, Records and 
judicial Proceedings'' of another. Therefore, it is undoubtedly clear 
why many constitutional scholars have concluded that Congress would go 
beyond the scope of its legislative powers under the Constitution in 
passing H.R. 3396.
  It is noteworthy that during the subcommittee consideration of this 
bill, Representative Sensenbrenner stated that Utah's admission to the 
Union was delayed for several years because of ``the fear of the 
Congress over a hundred years ago was that polygamous marriages that 
were polemized in Utah would have to be recognized in the other 
States.'' This statement suggests that Congress contemplated over one 
hundred years ago that the drafters of the Constitution intended that 
all States, not only those which choose to, must give ``full faith and 
credit'' to the ``Acts, Records and judicial Proceedings'' of all other 
States, including the recognition of out-of-State marriage, and 
interpreted that requirement to its most literal meaning.
  Proponents of this bill argue that allowing States to not recognize 
the public acts of another is a constitutional exercise of Congress' 
power under sentence two of the clause. Mr. Chairman, How can this be 
if this bill directly contravenes sentence one's mandate that every 
State is required to recognize the official public acts and judicial 
proceedings of other States?
  If we are to follow the flawed logic of this argument, it would 
follow that sentence two of the clause must be read to say that States 
must recognize the official acts of other States except when Congress 
passes a law that says they don't have to. Mr. Chairman, this not only 
flies in the face of every States rights argument I have heard from the 
majority since I began serving in this body, but it also has the 
unconstitutional effect of amending the full faith and credit clause of 
the Constitution without actually going through the very cumbersome and 
challenging process of amending the Constitution through a two-thirds 
majority vote in both houses of Congress and ratification by the 
States.


              implications for the equal protection clause

  Additionally, H.R. 3396 could engender equal protection challenges 
because the law may not survive the rational basis test adopted by the 
Supreme Court with respect to legislation establishing certain types of 
classifications. H.R. 3396 would allow a State not to recognize same-
sex marriages legalized in other States if it so chooses. Therefore, it 
is necessary to determine whether there is rational connection between 
this law and the intended governmental purpose it seeks to further.
  In the case of Baehr v. Lewin, 852 P. 2d 44 (Haw. 1993) the Hawaii 
State Supreme Court rejected the arguments made to deny the right of 
two individuals of the same sex to marry on the basis that Hawaii's 
State Constitution considers classifications on the basis of sex to be 
suspect in nature and subject to strict scrutiny analysis. However, for 
purposes of Federal constitutional challenge, legal experts have come 
to the conclusion that the rational basis test would probably be used 
to consider the constitutionality of the H.R. 3396.
  The authors content that H.R. 3396 is necessary for the preservation 
of the institution of marriage, hence the title of the bill. However, 
would H.R. 3396 in fact allow the United States to further its interest 
in the preservation of the institution of marriage? Or put differently, 
I have not yet heard of any empirical data which may even mildly 
suggest the rational and logical connection between H.R. 3396 and its 
intended governmental purpose.
  Considering that one in two marriages result in divorce in the U.S., 
and that many children of heterosexual marriages are suffering from 
family-unit-debacle, it is safe to conclude that H.R. 3396 is by far 
not the most appropriate form of legislation with respect to achieving 
the perceived governmental purpose of ``protect[ing] the institution of 
marriage'' by defining a marriage only as ``a legal union between one 
man and one woman as husband and wife.'' It thus follows that there 
does not seem to be a rational basis between H.R. 3396 and the intended 
governmental purpose.
  Moreover, the Supreme Court this term in the case of Romer v. Evans 
64 U.S.L.W. 4353 (1996) rejected amendment No. 2 of the Colorado State 
Constitution on the grounds that there was no rational basis between 
amendment No. 2's repudiation of special protection for homosexuals and 
the State's articulated governmental purpose.
  Approximately 17 areas of federally enacted legislation and programs 
would be affected if this bill were to become law, specifically 
banking; bankruptcy; civil service; consumer credit; copyright; 
education' Federal lands and resources; housing; immigration; 
judiciary; labor; military; social security; taxation; veterans; the 
Soldiers' and Civil Relief Act; and, welfare.
  In effect, this bill would deny gay men and women hospital visitation 
rights, health coverage, and other forms of insurance, inheritance and 
taxation rights, government benefits for spouses, immigration rights 
for spouses, and other rights. Just as the States should not interfere 
in any way with religious ceremonies, religious groups may not govern 
who receives a civil marriage license. This would in fact pose serious 
problems for the fundamental principle of the separation of church and 
state implicitly established in the first amendment of the U.S. 
Constitution.
  Mr. Chairman, when I came to Congress, I placed my hand on the Bible 
and swore to uphold the Constitution; now, I am being asked to place my 
hand on the Constitution and uphold the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, 
and other religious doctrine. The U.S. Constitution must remain the 
supreme law of the land. This document protects the rights of all to 
believe and worship as they choose.
  I swore to uphold the Constitution against enemies foreign and 
domestic, to protect minorities and minority viewpoints from the 
tyranny of the majority, to protect African-Americans from racism, Jews 
from anti-Semitism, Arabs from anti-Arabism, women from sexism, and 
gays and lesbians from homophobia and discrimination.
  With this vote, I am sending a message to all coalitions that those 
who have sworn to protect the Constitution will do just that. We will 
protect their rights.
  If defense of marriage meant a job in every household and adequate 
education for all children; if defense of marriage meant a single-
family home for all Americans; if defense of marriage meant universal 
health care for all Americans, then we would be truly addressing the 
moral crisis confronting the institution of marriage.
  We know, however, that the Defense of Marriage Act compels this 
Congress to exceed the boundaries of its constitutional authority. This 
bill offends the Constitution, by violating both the full faith and 
credit and equal protection clauses of this sacred document.
  Whether churches choose to perform ceremonies is within the domain of 
the churches to decide. Under the Constitution, our national government 
must uphold the wall between church and state. We know that we cannot 
dictate the churches' activities.

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  It is also clear that the church cannot instruct the government to 
restrict the rights of the church, their followers, or their faith; nor 
can the church call upon Congress to contravene or undermine the 
Constitution.
  Both the Bible and the Constitution have a role, but they are 
different roles. The Bible did not free African-Americans, it saved 
African-Americans and it saved me. The Emancipation Proclamation and 
the 13th amendment did not save me, but it did outlaw slavery. I am 
saved today because of the Bible, but I am in Congress today because of 
the 14th amendment and the Constitution as amended.
  Mr. Chairman, in light of the foregoing, I caution my colleagues to 
look closely at these issues before supporting this bill.
  Ms. ESHOO. Mr. Chairman, I rise today in opposition to what I view as 
an unfair, unnecessary and unconstitutional bill. This measure will 
federally codify discrimination against a group of Americans striking a 
blow to justice and equal treatment for all people.
   Mr. Chairman, less than 30 years ago many in this Nation believed 
that allowing interracial couples to marry would seriously denigrate 
American society, and many State laws reflected that. The U.S. Supreme 
Court invalidated these laws, recognizing the freedom to marry as ``one 
of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of 
happiness by free men.'' Should the Federal Government step in and 
dictate to States, it would be an abrogation of States' rights.
  Currently, no State permits same-sex marriages. Hawaii is debating 
the issue, but the final decision is not expected for another 2 years. 
Furthermore, States already have the capacity to determine whether they 
will recognize marriages performed in other States. Most importantly, 
in the entire history of this Nation--for over 200 years--never has the 
Federal Government intervened in the State regulation of marriage. 
Never. The 10th amendment to our Constitution--which we are sworn to 
uphold--states that powers not enumerated to the Federal Government are 
reserved to the States. So, I ask my colleagues, why are we getting 
involved?
  This brings me to my final point. This measure is unconstitutional. 
Article four, section one of the U.S. Constitution states that the 
``Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public 
Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.'' We 
cannot alter the U.S. Constitution with a simple act of Congress. In 
addition, the 14th amendment provides for ``equal protection of the 
laws'' for all citizens. Clearly the rights of gay and lesbian citizens 
would be abridged by this bill. Just as the Supreme Court found in 1967 
that racial distinctions between citizens are ``odious to a free people 
whose institutions are founded upon the doctrine of equality,'' the 
Court would again, I believe, invalidate this bill. The Court most 
recently ruled that targeting a segment of society with animus must be 
unconstitutional.
  Lastly, there is clearly a political agenda driving this legislation. 
Barely 30 legislative days remain before the election and we have yet 
to complete our constitutionally mandated responsibility of funding the 
government. Yet we are debating this election-year ploy by a party 
attempting to divide the Nation. We are not debating the granting of a 
sacrament of marriage: Congress can't do that. We are debating States' 
rights and the rights of privacy. I recognize the general, pervasive 
discrimination gay men and lesbians face in society and in this House. 
I also recognize that many will disagree with me, but by advocating 
discrimination, we're breaking down the bonds which hold this Nation 
together when we should be strengthening them. I urge all my colleagues 
to oppose this unfair, unnecessary and unconstitutional legislation.
  Mrs. COLLINS of Illinois. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the 
gentleman from Massachusetts' amendment that suspends the definition of 
marriage for any State that adopts a different definition through its 
normal democratic process.
  Mr. Chairman, the so-called Defense of Marriage Act should really be 
called the Republican Offense on People Who are Different Act because 
it is nothing more than blatant homophobic gay-bashing.
  The conservative elements of our American society have often 
discriminated against and tried to prevent whatever they didn't like or 
didn't understand. It hasn't been so long ago that blacks and whites 
weren't allowed to marry in any State. So, devoted couples pledged 
their commitment to caring for each other in private ceremonies, their 
children were considered illegitimate, and the spouses were not legally 
entitled to inherit from their partners, nor share in any public 
benefits.
  And, not so long ago, 50 States and the District of Columbia had very 
different laws about who could marry, the age the partners had to be, 
the length of the waiting period between applying for a marriage 
license and the ceremony--and they still do. Even now there are 
different laws about divorce, about residency requirements to obtain a 
divorce, about the kind of alimony or support one spouse has to pay to 
another, and many other differences. The Federal Government sorts out 
who is eligible to benefit from public support from these spouses and 
former spouses, even as people move from one State to another; and the 
Federal Government can and will continue to sort these issues out as 
they become timely, which this Offense on Marriage Act is not.
  The issue of who should marry within a State are the proper 
jurisdiction of the individual States. My grandmother probably couldn't 
envision a time when interracial marriages would be legal in America, 
but today they are. One kind of discrimination is just as onerous as 
another, and neither should be tolerated. For the Republican majority 
of this Congress to be taking up this bill, which attempts to usurp 
States' rights, makes a farce of their frequent rallying cry to limit 
Federal intrusion into the personal lives of America's citizens. 
However, when it concerns a woman's right to choose, or in this case 
the rights of adults to choose their life partners, the Republicans 
abandon their mantra of preserving States rights.
  This bill should be defeated and I urge my colleagues to use their 
common sense and leave this issue up to the States. It is homophobic 
and discriminatory, and it attempts to address a situation that should 
be left up to the States. It is not the proper jurisdiction of the 
Congress or the Constitution.
  As I walk past the Republican side of the aisle, I expect to hear 
something similar to an old joke from the civil rights era: ``Some of 
my good friends are gay, I just wouldn't want my son or daughter to 
marry one.''
  My response is that: that's their own personal, private business.
  Mrs. MALONEY. Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of the Frank 
amendments to H.R. 3396, the Defense of Marriage Act.
  This has been a Congress that has repeatedly talked about sending 
power back to the States.
  But now, all of a sudden, the Federal Government must step in on the 
issue of marriage, an issue which has always been decided by the 
States.
  Hawaii is now examining this issue, but the court case is not 
expected to be settled for about 2 more years.
  From a legal perspective, because same-sex marriage is not legal, 
this bill is not necessary except as a direct attack on gays and 
lesbians.
  Constitutionally, this bill is also not necessary. According to the 
``full faith and credit'' provision of the Constitution, States already 
have the power not to recognize same-sex marriages.
  There is no clear, compelling reason for the Federal Government to 
step in now--except a purely political one.
  But this issue is more than a legal one--it is about civil rights, it 
is about fairness, and it is about equal rights for all citizens.
  Despite the rhetoric of the religious right, one can honor the 
relationship between a man and a woman without attacking lesbian and 
gay people or their relationships.
  This issue is important to me because it is important to my 
constituents.
  Over 1,000 of my constituents have contacted me to express their 
opposition to this blatant form of discrimination.
  I agree with one writer who said--this legislation is ``nothing more 
than an attempt to divide the country by beating up on gay men and 
lesbians.''
  Another constituent added, ``Congress should be attending to the 
business of the country, not attacking American citizens.''
  I couldn't have said it better.
  This bill is about discrimination, pure and simple.
  I urge my colleagues to support the Frank amendments.
  Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
  The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered by the 
gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank].
  The amendment was rejected.


                          preferential motion

  Mr. GUNDERSON. Mr. Chairman, I offer a preferential motion.
  The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the motion.
  The Clerk read as follows:

       Mr. Gunderson moves that the committee do now rise and 
     report the bill back to the House with the recommendation 
     that the enacting clause be stricken out.

  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Gunderson] is 
recognized for 5 minutes in support of his motion.
  (Mr. GUNDERSON asked and was given permission to revise and extend 
his remarks.)
  Mr. GUNDERSON. Mr. Chairman, I offer this motion today so that I 
might ask a question.
  Why are we so mean? Why are we so motivated by prejudice, intolerance

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and, unfortunately in some cases, bigotry? Why must we attack one 
element of our society for some cheap political gain? Why must we 
pursue the politics of division, of fear, and of hate?
  Yes, marriage is under attack in our society today, but may I suggest 
to my colleagues it is not because of same-sex relationships. In all 
due respect, lesbians have no interest in making anyone their husband 
and gay men have no interest in pursuing anyone's wife. Rather, 
marriage might be under attack because of alcohol abuse, because of 
spousal abuse and, might I suggest, even Sunday afternoon football.
  Like most of my colleagues, I too grew up with basical traditional 
values. My religion and my heritage also define marriage as a union 
between one man and one woman. So I went to my party's leadership and I 
went to the distinguished gentleman from Illinois, Chairman Hyde, and I 
went to Speaker Gingrich, and I said I am willing, as a gay man, to 
support your efforts to reaffirm that the word marriage represents a 
union between a man and a woman. All I ask in return is that we take 
the meanness out of this legislative initiative.
  I ask my leadership to recognize that those of us who happen to be in 
long-term loving relationships also might be considered or at least 
studied for the potential of legitimate benefits and privileges. For 
example, if I were to get sick, why should my partner not have 
automatic visitation rights and automatic consultation with the doctor?
  I have letters in my office of people from cancer to AIDS who have 
been denied that basic privilege. When a friend of mine died last year 
of AIDS, his partner of 16 years could not sign the documents at the 
funeral home. Must we impose such indignities upon people even upon the 
death of their very best friend in life?
  And frankly, I want to ask my colleagues, why should my partner of 13 
years not be entitled to the same health insurance and survivor 
benefits that individuals around here, my colleagues with second and 
third wives, are able to give to them?
  So I asked my leadership, can we at least put together a commission 
to compare the privileges, rights and benefits given to those in 
marriage but denied to those in long-term relationships? We will not 
change any policy, we will not change anything in the bill, rather we 
would seek simply to look at Federal, State and international law so 
that we might have a body of accurate information upon which to 
deliberate in the future.

                              {time}  1256

  In so doing, we would not only reaffirm the traditional definition of 
marriage, but we would also send the signal of our sensitivity and 
respect to those who happen to be gay or lesbian.
  The gentleman from Illinois [Mr. Hyde] and I want to thank him for 
his decency and sensitivity in discussing this with me, suggested that 
while he could not support a commission he could support a GAO study. 
So I drafted an amendment which calls for such a GAO study to be a part 
of this bill, and I shared it with the gentleman from Illinois and 
Chairman Gingrich. Unfortunately, others in my party insisted that this 
small step of basic decency and respect not be included in this bill.
  Unfortunately such action, I think, exposes this legislative 
initiative for the mean political game it is. And I am truly sorry 
about that.
  I stand here today with respect and with love for each of you as 
fellow Members of the human race. All I ask in return is that you do 
not intentionally make me any less worthy than you.
  Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that the motion be withdrawn.
  The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from 
Wisconsion [Mr. Gunderson]?
  There was no objection.


            amendment offered by mr. frank of massachusetts

  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment made 
in order by the rule.
  The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will designate the amendment.
  The text of the amendment is as follows:

       Amendment No. 2 offered by Mr. Frank of Massachusetts: Page 
     3, after line 20, insert:
       (b) Application.--
       (1) Subsection (a) shall not apply if the State in which 
     the persons affected by such application of subsection (a) 
     has determined that the definition of ``marriage'' or 
     ``spouse'', or both, shall be different than that in 
     subsection (a), provided such State determination is in the 
     form of--
       (A) legislation; or
       (B) citizen initiative or referendum.
       (2) In the case where such a determination is made by 
     judicial decision interpreting a State constitution, 
     subsection (a) shall cease to apply if the minimum time 
     necessary in that State for an amendment to the State 
     constitution elapses and the State's determination remains in 
     effect.
       (3) In the case where such a determination is made by 
     judicial decision interpreting a State statute, subsection 
     (a) shall cease to apply with the adjournment of the next 
     session of the State legislature.
       Page 3, line 21, strike ``(b)'' and insert ``(c)''.

  The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to House Resolution 474, the gentleman from 
Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] and a Member opposed each will control 7\1/2\ 
minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank].
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, let me reassure those 
Members with ``rollcall envy'' that they can have one on this one.
  Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman 
from Oregon [Mr. DeFazio].
  (Mr. DeFAZIO asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. DeFAZIO. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the amendment and in 
opposition to the bill.
  Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to H.R. 3396, the Defense of 
Marriage Act. This bill is unnecessary, discriminatory and possibly 
unconstitutional. There is no question that we have real problems with 
family disintegration in this country, but this legislation is not 
intended to defend or improve the success of marriage, rather it is 
intended to further divide the country over the issue of gay rights.
  I'm saddened that, at a time when so many important issues face this 
country we are taking up valuable time discussing a bill that truly is 
a solution in search of a problem.
  Same sex marriage is not currently legal anywhere in the United 
States. And in over 200 years, the Federal Government has never 
attempted to develop a Federal definition of marriage. That right and 
responsibility has been left to the States.
  The Federal Government recognizes any State sanctioned marriage. 
However, States do not have to give full faith and credit to marriages 
sanctioned in other States. For instance, my home State of Oregon does 
not recognize marriages of 12-year-olds, but the State of Massachusetts 
allows 12-year-old females to marry, and the State of Alabama allows 
14-year-olds to marry. In fact, several States even allow first cousins 
to marry.
  So if States can already refuse to recognize certain kinds of 
marriages performed in other States, what is the point of this 
legislation?
  If, as the proponents of this legislation claim, States do not have 
the authority to claim exemption from the full faith and credit clause, 
then a simple statue is not adequate to circumvent the Constitution's 
full faith and credit clause--we would need to pass a constitutional 
amendment.
  So, again, what is the point of this legislation?
  And where would this type of legislation lead us? We risk setting a 
dangerous precedent by crossing the threshold of preempting States by 
establishing a Federal definition of marriage. Once we cross that 
threshold, what is to prevent the Federal Government from setting a 
national age of majority for marriage and preempting all States as in 
China where the legal marriage age has been set as high as 28 years 
old, and changes almost annually. Furthermore, what is to prevent the 
Federal Government from setting new and rigorous standards for divorces 
preempting all State laws?
  I have long supported the ability of long-term committed domestic 
partners to receive some sort of legal recognition. There are a host of 
areas where family members need legal standing--hospital visitations 
when someone is critically ill or injured, to be at a loved one's side 
when they die, decisions about medical care and guardianship for 
someone who is ill or incapacitated, and the authority to carry out 
someone's last wishes, to name a few.
  A number of local jurisdictions around the country have extended 
legal rights to domestic partners. That is exactly where these types of 
decisions should be made--by local communities and States, not by the 
Federal Government dictating and mandating these issues for them.
  This is not serious legislation to address a real need in this 
country. It is a cynical political gesture, which has more to do with 
Presidential election year politics than addressing the needs of the 
American people.

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  I urge my colleagues to oppose this legislation.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the 
gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Conyers], the ranking Democrat on the 
Committee on the Judiciary.
  Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of this slimmed-down 
revision of section 3 to allow the States, which enact their own same-
sex marriage laws, to have those marriages respected by the Federal 
Government. Surely, Members on the other side of the aisle can support 
this amendment. I hope they can.
  Mr. Chairman, I hope that the excellent job of whipping up the 
populace into a frenzy will subside somewhat and we can consider what 
we are dealing with.
  For my good friend, the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Canady], the 
subcommittee chairman who keeps laying this 70-percent population 
figure on us, may I remind the gentleman that 70 percent of the 
population was against ending segregation when the civil rights laws 
passed in the United States of America in the sixties. The gentleman 
shakes his head negatively, but he is incorrect.
  Now, I wish my good friend from Wisconsin who made his very 
impassioned remarks would have included in the reasons for marriage 
being in trouble in America, if it is, that it is because of 
joblessness. I do not know what is going on between all the spouses, 
but joblessness is a huge driving force.
  And finally, for ex-Senator Bob Dole, who I give advice on occasion, 
why is he so angry that President Clinton agrees with him on this 
issue? What is the beef, Bob? I mean, after all, you forced him to do 
this.
  Mr. Chairman, we are going to stick with the gentleman from Georgia 
[Mr. Lewis]. Eventually we will all come around and realize where this 
is going. I thank the Members for their kind attention.
  I rise in strong support of the gentleman's amendment revising 
section 3 of the bill to allow States, which enact their own same sex 
marriage laws, to have those marriages respected by the Federal 
Government.
  Around this body we hear a lot of talk about States rights. Well this 
amendment gives all of the Members a chance to back up their rhetoric. 
For more than 200 years Congress has allowed determinations of marriage 
status to be a purely State matter. Yet, unless this amendment is 
adopted, we in the Congress will be telling the States how to run their 
business. We will be saying a marriage that they have blessed is not 
good enough for Federal recognition.
  This amendment serves to illustrate the blatant hypocrisy which 
characterizes the entire legislation. The entire matter has very little 
to do with the Federal Government. It is black-letter law that the 
States are free to reject marriages approved by other States which 
violate public policy. It is pursuant to this authority that States 
have invalidated marriages consummated in other States which are 
incestuous, polygamous, based on common law, and involve under-age 
minors. Ironically, by enacting this law, Congress will, by 
implication, be limiting the States authority to reject other types of 
marriage which may be contrary to public policy.
  It seems clear to me that the only reason we are here even debating 
this issue is that Republicans are intent on creating a political issue 
completely out of thin air so they can demonize gay and lesbian 
individuals and further divide the American people. The Contract With 
America has been a flop, the Repubican Party is behind in the polls, 
and their leadership is desperately trying to manufacture widge 
political issues. If there were any other reason, they would slow this 
bill down, wait for the courts and the State of Hawaii to act, and 
seriously analyze the legal implications of what they are doing.
  Fortunatley, I don't think the American people will be fooled by this 
legislative red herring. They want real solutions that improve their 
every day lives, not legislative placebos. We can begin doing so by 
voting for this amendment and returning power back to the States.


                      announcement by the chairman

  The CHAIRMAN. The Chair would note that remarks in debate should be 
addressed to the chair.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I rise to claim the time in 
opposition to the Frank amendment.
  The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Florida [Mr. Canady] is recognized 
for 7\1/2\ minutes.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the 
gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Sensenbrenner].
  Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, I deeply regret that my colleague 
from Wisconsin, Mr. Gunderson, left before we could respond to his 
remarks. And I regret that he was not here when I made my remarks on 
why this legislation is in front of us.
  Mr. Chairman, this legislation is not mean-spirited. It is not 
divisive. It is not cynical. It is a legitimate response to a well-
publicized legal move to try to expand a decision in Hawaii to the rest 
of the country and to Federal law.
  Now, the question is not whether or not we are compassionate. I think 
we all are compassionate because uncompassionate people do not get 
elected to Congress. But the question is how these issues should be 
debated and how the decision should be made.
  I believe in the power of the people and the power of the Congress to 
make the right decisions and to do the right thing. And we ought to 
have an open debate on the issue of whether Federal benefits should be 
expanded to couples who get involved in gay marriages. The place for 
that debate, I would submit, is in the forum of public opinion, and the 
greatest deliberative legislative body in the world, the Congress of 
the United States, rather than having judges that are not elected and 
judges that are not responsible to the people bootstrap a decision in 
one State to national policy.
  Mr. Chairman, I am sorry the gentleman from Wisconsin does not 
understand that. I think the rest of the House does.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the 
gentleman from Georgia [Mr. Barr].
  Mr. BARR of Georgia. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for 
yielding.
  Mr. Chairman, the consummate cleverness of the amendment's proponent 
is obvious once again. His first amendment was a killer amendment, pure 
and simple. It trained its cross hairs on the heart of the bill and 
made no bones about it. This one is a little bit different. It trains 
its cross hairs on the heart of the bill, but it kills it with a 
silencer. Yet the result would be the same.
  The fact of the matter is, Mr. Chairman, it is the prerogative, the 
authority, the responsibility, and the sole jurisdictional power of the 
Congress of the United States to determine the reach of Federal laws, 
Federal benefits, Federal regulations.
  I matters not whether that power is attempted to be usurped by a 
State court, a State legislature, or the citizens of a State by 
referendum. The fact of the matter is they cannot do so. They should 
not be allowed to do so. And for any Member of this body to stand up 
and say on behalf of my 20 constituents, I am going to abrogate that 
responsibility to the citizens of a State, is an absolute outrage and 
an irresponsibility. It is a derogation of their duty as a 
representative of the people to protect the integrity of Federal 
powers, Federal jurisdiction, Federal laws, benefits and 
responsibilities.
  This amendment is a killer amendment. It may be sugar coated, it may 
have a silencer on it, but the effect is just as deadly. This amendment 
deserves to be defeated because if it is not, the underlying bill will 
not be enacted into law, and I urge my colleagues to defeat this second 
Frank amendment.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance 
of my time.
  Mr. Chairman, so much for block grants. We heard the gentleman from 
Georgia. How dare we think that those State-elected officials ought to 
decide how to spend Federal money. Do not let them usurp and preempt. I 
could not have heard a better denunciation of block grants from the 
staunchest federalizing liberal around, because that is what is at 
issue.
  Mr. Chairman, I do appreciate the reference of the gentleman from 
Georgia [Mr. Barr] to my consummate cleverness. There are circles in 
which I will have to explain away having received that compliment from 
him, but I am willing to take on that burden.
  Mr. Chairman, the point is that the gentleman is upset because the 
amendment is not stupid. And I apologize. There is nothing in the rules 
that says our amendments have to be stupid. I anticipated some of their 
arguments.
  They have been arguing, and let us be clear what this amendment says. 
This

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amendment leaves alone that part of the bill that purports to protect 
other States from having to do what Hawaii does. I do not think they 
have to anyway, but this double protects them. That is not an issue.
  This amendment says, and it says it clearly. Indeed, let me say 
immodestly, citing as authority the gentleman from Georgia, it says it 
``consummately cleverly'' or ``cleverly consummately,'' that if a State 
by democratic procedures, by involvement of its electorate, either 
directly in a referendum or through its legislature or by decision to 
allow a court decision to stand after the time has gone by, if a State 
makes a democratic decision that says if two men in this State are in 
love or two women in this State are in love and they are prepared to 
undertake the obligations of marriage, they are prepared to live 
together and commit to each other, they are prepared to make legal, 
binding representations to each other, the Federal Government will 
treat them in that State as it treats anybody else. The Federal 
Government will treat them as the beneficiaries of that democratic 
decision.
  Mr. Chairman, what the bill says is if there is a referendum in a 
State, if there is a unanimous vote in the legislature to allow two 
people to love each other, we the Federal Government will say no. Why? 
We heard the gentleman from Georgia. Because we, the Federal 
Government, will decide.
  Again, let us not have any of this block grant nonsense. Let us not 
talk about State autonomy. We will sit here in Washington and tell 
Hawaii who can love each other and who cannot. Of course, they can make 
a law in Hawaii, but it will not be a real marriage. It will not have 
Federal tax benefits; it will not have pension benefits; it will not 
have testimonial privilege.
  Let us be very clear, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the candor of the 
gentleman. Let us not have any of this nonsense about State autonomy. 
That is what this amendment says. It says if the Hawaii Supreme Court 
does it, it still would not take effect. But if the Hawaii Supreme 
Court makes a decision and enough time goes by under the Hawaii 
constitution, the legislature let it stand, there was a referendum in 
favor of it, we will then allow it.
  So here is what we are being told. Do not let the democratic 
processes of a single State allow same-sex marriage in that State to be 
a federally valid marriage, even though it means it will have no effect 
on any other State. We are not attacking that point.
  If my amendment passes, the bill will say what one State does has no 
effect on any other State. Another State does not have to have it. If a 
State makes a democratic decision to let two women love each other in a 
loving relationship, that cannot be because it will dissolve marriage, 
and we get back to that.
  There are people in this society, heterosexuals who are married, who 
have been accused of spousal abuse; who have been accused of and have 
acknowledged not supporting their children; who have had multiple 
divorces and remarriages. Those are serious problems. We need to help 
people with that.
  But implicitly to blame those on the fact that two men love each 
other is extraordinarily unfair and that is why we heard the eloquent, 
passionate statement of the gentleman from Wisconsin who proceeded me. 
He and I and others are willing to take on the burden of working out 
the difficulties of two human beings becoming mutually committed.
  Mr. Chairman, we are talking about two human beings. And for those 
who pretend not to know the difference between a monogamous 
relationship between two human beings and polygamy, I must say that I 
think they debase and debate when they use that kind of analogy. 
Everyone knows the real difference.
  We are talking about mutuality; about two people loving each other 
and committing to each other. Do Members know what they are saying if 
they vote down this amendment? ``No, you cannot do that. How dare you 
have a democratic vote in a State to allow two people to show love and 
commitment and affection. We cannot allow that, because it threatens 
our marriages.''
  Mr. Chairman, I do not believe anyone really thinks it threatens 
their marriages. I do not understand what motivates them. In one case 
someone said: Do not allow them the sacrament of matrimony. We have no 
power to give anyone any sacraments. We are not in the business of 
dispensing sacraments, and I hope we never get there.
  Mr. Chairman, we are creating an institution called civil marriage. 
People in this Chamber have taken full advantage of their right legally 
to divorce. People have had several divorces. That is not a sacrament. 
We did not create the sacrament of ``holy divorce.'' We allow this, in 
society, in a sensible society with personal freedom, individuals to 
make choices in a civil society. Those who find that religiously 
offensive are free to do nothing about it. They are free not to 
participate in it.
  We are talking here about creating an institution of civil society. 
In fact we are not talking about creating it. We are saying if the 
Federal Government sees a State by democratic means in this amendment 
create an institution of civil society that allows two people to love 
each other, the Federal Government will do what it can to stop it. Why? 
My colleagues heard the gentleman from Georgia. Because how dare they 
preempt and usurp the State.

  Who is preempting and usurping? The legislature. How dare the 
legislature of Hawaii preempt our imperial right to decide who is 
married and who is not married. How dare the people of Hawaii presume 
to think that they can define love in an effective way.
  Mr. Chairman, I hope the amendment is adopted.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time 
to the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. Hyde], chairman of the Committee on 
the Judiciary.
  (Mr. HYDE asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. HYDE. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from Florida [Mr. 
Canady] and my colleagues.
  Mr. Chairman, I can tell you this is one of the most uncomfortable 
issues I can think of to debate. It is something I really shrink from 
because there is no gentle easy way, if we are to be honest and candid, 
to discuss the objections to same-sex marriage, the disapprobation of 
homosexual conduct, without offending and affronting an ever-widening 
group of people who have come to accept homosexual conduct.
  But, Mr. Chairman, we are driven to this debate. We are driven to 
this debate by the courts. The Romer versus Evans case which was 
decided May 20 of this year is a fascinating case, and it provides 
really a preferred status for homosexual people, and may very well 
invalidate a State's heretofore unquestioned power to reject the 
conduct in another State on public policy grounds.
  If a marriage was incestuous and it was celebrated in one State, 
another State did not have to accept that on public policy grounds. 
Now, there is a real question because of Romer versus Evans, a Supreme 
Court case.
  The fascinating thing is that the Bowers versus Hardwick case was not 
even discussed in Romer versus Evans. Bowers versus Hardwick is a 1986 
case which said a State may criminalize the act of sodomy. Twenty-five 
States have laws criminalizing homosexual conduct. The defining act of 
homosexuality is a crime in 25 States. It used to be in all the States, 
but many of the States have reversed their laws because they cannot 
enforce them. There is no way to enforce them.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. HYDE. I yield to the gentleman from Massachusetts.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. If the gentleman's interpretation, I mean 
this seriously, if the gentleman's interpretation of Romer versus Evans 
is correct, and we do not know whether it is or not, would that not 
also apply then to the section here? In other words, if the court were 
to hold under Romer versus Evans----
  Mr. HYDE. Yes, it could.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. So that this could also apply to this 
section equally.
  Mr. HYDE. It could. But that is why we need this statute in my 
judgment, to give a little more leverage to the States.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. If the gentleman would continue to yield 
for 10 seconds, if in fact it is unconstitutional because of an 
interpretation of

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parts of the Constitution, no statute would hold against that.

                              {time}  1315

  Mr. HYDE. Well, maybe, maybe not. Maybe, maybe not is all. You cannot 
speculate about the court.
  The gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Studds] said that the 
unfinished business of the civil rights movement is homosexual 
acceptability. There is no power on Earth to stop it. Maybe and maybe 
not. He has something, when I look around and see the entertainment 
stars in our country are Michael Johnson and Madonna, he could be 
right. The homosexual movement has been very successful in intimidating 
the psychiatric profession. Now people who object to sodomy, to two men 
penetrating each other are homophobic. They have the phobia, not the 
people doing this act. That is a magnificent accomplishment for public 
relations.
  Let us talk about this bill. This is the most delicate and limited 
measure that Congress could possibly produce on this subject. First of 
all, as to defining marriage in the Federal code, who else should 
define it except this Congress, the Federal legislature. Not the 
courts, the courts are usurping legislative functions. It is 
appropriate that Congress define marriage. You may not like the 
definition the majority of us want, but most people do not approve of 
homosexual conduct. They do not approve of incest. They do not approve 
of polygamy, and they express their disapprobation through the law. It 
is that simple. It is not mean spirited. It is not bigoted. It is the 
way it is, the only way possible to express this disapprobation.
  Now, two men loving each other does not hurt anybody else's marriage, 
but it demeans, it lowers the concept of marriage by making it 
something that it should not be and is not, celebrating conduct that is 
not approved by the majority of the people.
  Defeat the amendment. Vote for the bill.
  The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered by the 
gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank].
  The question was taken; and the Chairman announced that the noes 
appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 103, 
noes 311, not voting 19, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 314]

                               AYES--103

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Berman
     Blumenauer
     Bonior
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Campbell
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Coyne
     DeFazio
     Dellums
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Filner
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Gonzalez
     Gunderson
     Gutierrez
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Horn
     Jackson (IL)
     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Jefferson
     Johnson, E. B.
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Lantos
     Lewis (GA)
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Maloney
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McKinney
     Meehan
     Meek
     Millender-McDonald
     Miller (CA)
     Mink
     Moakley
     Moran
     Nadler
     Neal
     Olver
     Owens
     Pallone
     Payne (NJ)
     Pelosi
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Skaggs
     Slaughter
     Stark
     Stokes
     Studds
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Ward
     Waters
     Waxman
     Woolsey
     Yates

                               NOES--311

     Allard
     Andrews
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baesler
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Baldacci
     Ballenger
     Barcia
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bentsen
     Bereuter
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bryant (TX)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Cardin
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chapman
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clement
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooley
     Costello
     Cox
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cummings
     Cunningham
     Danner
     Davis
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeLauro
     DeLay
     Deutsch
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Dicks
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Doyle
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     English
     Evans
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Frost
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Gordon
     Goss
     Graham
     Green (TX)
     Greene (UT)
     Greenwood
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Hefner
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Holden
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hoyer
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kildee
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Kleczka
     Klink
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Levin
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Lipinski
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Lucas
     Luther
     Manton
     Manzullo
     Martini
     Mascara
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHale
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     McNulty
     Menendez
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Minge
     Molinari
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Murtha
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Pastor
     Paxon
     Payne (VA)
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickett
     Pombo
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roemer
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Spratt
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Stump
     Stupak
     Talent
     Tanner
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Tejeda
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Thurman
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Traficant
     Upton
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Williams
     Wise
     Wolf
     Wynn
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                             NOT VOTING--19

     Dunn
     Ensign
     Fields (LA)
     Flanagan
     Ford
     Gibbons
     Hall (OH)
     Johnston
     LaFalce
     Lincoln
     Longley
     McDade
     Morella
     Roberts
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Watt (NC)
     Wilson
     Young (FL)

                              {time}  1335

  The Clerk announced the following pair:
  On this vote:

       Mr. Johnston of Florida for, with Mr. Longley against.

  Messrs. ALLARD, SMITH of New Jersey, and GENE GREEN of Texas changed 
their vote from ``aye'' to ``no.''
  Mrs. KENNELLY and Mr. RUSH changed their vote from ``no'' to ``aye.''
  So the amendment was rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The CHAIRMAN. Under the rule, the Committee rises.
  Accordingly the Committee rose; and the Speaker pro tempore (Ms. 
Greene of Utah) having assumed the chair, Mr. Gillmor, Chairman of the 
Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union, reported that 
that Committee, having had under consideration the bill (H.R. 3396) to 
define and protect the institution of marriage, pursuant to House 
Resolution 474, he reported the bill back to the House.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Ms. Greene of Utah). Under the rule, the 
previous question is ordered.
  The question is on the engrossment and third reading of the bill.
  The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, and was 
read the third time.


         Motion To Recommit Offered By Ms. Jackson-Lee of Texas

  Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Madam Speaker, I offer a motion to 
recommit.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is the gentlewoman opposed to the bill?
  Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Yes, I am, Madam Speaker, in its present 
form.

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  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Madam Speaker, I reserve a point of order 
against the motion to recommit.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Florida [Mr. Canady] 
reserves a point of order.
  The Clerk will report the motion to recommit.
  The Clerk read as follows:

       Ms. Jackson-Lee of Texas moves to recommit the bill, H.R. 
     3396, back to the Committee on the Judiciary with 
     instructions to report the bill back forthwith with the 
     following amendment:
       Page 3, line 24, at the end of the bill, add the following 
     new sections to the legislation:

     SEC. 4. SHORT TITLE.

       This Act may be cited as the ``Employment Non-
     Discrimination Act of 1996''.

     SEC. 5. DISCRIMINATION PROHIBITED.

       A covered entity, in connection with employment or 
     employment opportunities, shall not--
       (1) subject an individual to different standards or 
     treatment on the basis of sexual orientation,
       (2) discriminate against an individual based on the sexual 
     orientation of persons with whom such individual is believed 
     to associate or to have associated, or
       (3) otherwise discriminate against an individual on the 
     basis of sexual orientation.

     SEC. 6. BENEFITS.

       This Act does not apply to the provision of employee 
     benefits to an individual for the benefit of his or her 
     partner.

     SEC. 7. NO DISPARATE IMPACT.

       The fact that an employment practice has a disparate 
     impact, as the term ``disparate impact'' is used in section 
     703(k) of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e-
     2(k)), on the basis of sexual orientation does not establish 
     a prima facie violation of this Act.

     SEC. 8. QUOTAS AND PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT PROHIBITED.

       (A) Quotas.--A covered entity shall not adopt or implement 
     a quota on the basis of sexual orientation.
       (b) Preferential Treatment.--A covered entity shall not 
     give preferential treatment to an individual on the basis of 
     sexual orientation.

     SEC. 9. RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION.

       (a) In General.--Except as provided in subsection (b), this 
     Act shall not apply to religious organizations.
       (b) For-Profit Activities.--This Act shall apply with 
     respect to employment and employment opportunities that 
     relate to any employment position that pertains solely to a 
     religious organization's for-profit activities subject to 
     taxation under section 511(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 
     1986.

     SEC. 10. NONAPPLICATION TO MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES; 
                   VETERANS' PREFERENCES.

       (a) Armed Forces.--(1) For purposes of this Act, the term 
     ``employment or employment opportunities'' does not apply to 
     the relationship between the United States and members of the 
     Armed Forces.
       (2) As used in paragraph (1), the term ``Armed Forces'' 
     means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast 
     Guard.
       (b) Veterans' Preferences.--This Act does not repeal or 
     modify any Federal, State, territorial, or local law creating 
     special rights or preferences for veterans.

     SEC. 11. ENFORCEMENT.

       (a) Enforcement Powers.--With respect to the administration 
     and enforcement of this Act in the case of a claim alleged by 
     an individual for a violation of this Act--
       (1) the Commission shall have the same powers as the 
     Commission has to administer and enforce--
       (A) title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 
     2000e et seq.), or
       (B) sections 302, 303, and 304 of the Government Employee 
     Rights Act of 1991 (2 U.S.C. 1202, 1203, 1204), in the case 
     of a claim alleged by such individual for a violation of such 
     title or of section 302(a)(1) of such Act, respectively,
       (2) the Librarian of Congress shall have the same powers as 
     the Librarian of Congress has to administer and enforce title 
     VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e et seq.) 
     in the case of a claim alleged by such individual for a 
     violation of such title,
       (3) the Board (as defined in section 101 of the 
     Congressional Accountability Act of 1995 (Public Law 104-1; 
     109 Stat. 3) shall have the same powers as the Board has to 
     administer and enforce the Congressional Accountability Act 
     of 1995 in the case of a claim alleged by such individual for 
     a violation of section 201(a)(1) of such Act,
       (4) the Attorney General of the United States shall have 
     the same powers as the Attorney General has to administer and 
     enforce--
       (A) title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 
     2000e et seq.), or
       (B) sections 302, 303, and 304 of the Government Employee 
     Rights Act of 1991 (2 U.S.C. 1202, 1203, 1204),
     in the case of a claim alleged by such individual for a 
     violation of such title or of section 302(a)(1) of such Act, 
     respectively, and
       (5) the courts of the United States shall have the same 
     jurisdiction and powers as such courts have to enforce--
       (A) title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 
     2000e et seq.) in the case of a claim alleged by such 
     individual for a violation of such title,
       (B) sections 302, 303, and 304 of the Government Employee 
     Rights Act of 1991 (2 U.S.C. 1202, 1203, 1204) in the case of 
     a claim alleged by such individual for a violation of section 
     302(a)(1) of such Act, and
       (C) the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995 (Public 
     Law 104-1; 109 Stat. 3) in the case of a claim alleged by 
     such individual for a violation of section 201(a)(1) of such 
     Act.
       (b) Procedures and Remedies.--The procedures and remedies 
     applicable to a claim alleged by an individual for a 
     violation of this Act are--
       (1) the procedures and remedies applicable for a violation 
     of title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e 
     et seq.) in the case of a claim alleged by such individual 
     for a violation of such title,
       (2) the procedures and remedies applicable for a violation 
     of section 302(a)(1) of the Government Employee Rights Act of 
     1991 (2 U.S.C. 1202(a)(1)) in the case of a claim alleged by 
     such individual for a violation of such section, and
       (3) the procedures and remedies applicable for a violation 
     of section 201(a)(1) of Congressional Accountability Act of 
     1995 (Public Law 104-1; 109 Stat. 3) in the case of a claim 
     alleged by such individual for a violation of such section.
       (c) Other Applicable Provisions.--With respect to claims 
     alleged by covered employees (as defined in section 101 of 
     the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995 (Public Law 104-
     1; 109 Stat. 3)) for violations of this Act, title III of the 
     Congressional Accountability Act of 1995 shall apply in the 
     same manner as such title applies with respect to a claims 
     alleged by such covered employees for violations of section 
     201(a)(1) of such Act.

     SEC. 12. STATE AND FEDERAL IMMUNITY.

       (a) State Immunity.--A State shall not be immune under the 
     eleventh article of amendment to the Constitution of the 
     United States from an action in a Federal court of competent 
     jurisdiction for a violation of this Act. In an action 
     against a State for a violation of this Act, remedies 
     (including remedies at law and in equity) are available for 
     the violation to the same extent as such remedies are 
     available in an action against any public or private entity 
     other than a State.
       (b) Liability of the United States.--The United States 
     shall be liable for all remedies (excluding punitive damages) 
     under this Act to the same extent as a private person and 
     shall be liable to the same extent as a nonpublic party for 
     interest to compensate for delay in payment.

     SEC. 13. ATTORNEYS' FEES.

       In any action or administrative proceeding commenced 
     pursuant to this Act, the court or the Commission, in its 
     discretion, may allow the prevailing party, other than the 
     United States, a reasonable attorney's fee, including expert 
     fees and other litigation expenses, and costs. The United 
     States shall be liable for the foregoing the same as a 
     private person.

     SEC. 14. RETALIATION AND COERCION PROHIBITED.

       (a) Retaliation.--A covered entity shall not discriminate 
     against an individual because such individual opposed any act 
     or practice prohibited by this Act or because such individual 
     made a charge, assisted, testified, or participated in any 
     manner in an investigation, proceeding, or hearing under this 
     act.
       (b) Coercion.--A person shall not coerce, intimidate, 
     threaten, or interfere with any individual in the exercise or 
     enjoyment of, or on account of his or her having exercised, 
     enjoyed, assisted, or encouraged the exercise or enjoyment 
     of, any right granted or protected by this Act.

     SEC. 15. POSTING NOTICES.

       A covered entity shall post notices for employees, 
     applicants for employment, and members describing the 
     applicable provisions of this Act in the manner prescribed 
     by, and subject to the penalty provided under, section 711 of 
     the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e--10).

     SEC. 16. REGULATIONS.

       The Commission shall have authority to issue regulations to 
     carry out this Act.

     SEC. 17. RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAWS.

       This Act shall not invalidate or limit the rights, 
     remedies, or procedures available to an individual claiming 
     discrimination prohibited under any other Federal law or any 
     law of a State or political subdivision of a State.

     SEC. 18. SEVERABILITY.

       If any provision of this Act, or the application of such 
     provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be 
     invalid, the remainder of this Act and the application of 
     such provision to other persons or circumstances shall not be 
     affected thereby.

     SEC. 19. EFFECTIVE DATE.

       This Act shall take effect 60 days after the date of the 
     enactment of this Act and shall not apply to conduct 
     occurring before such effective date.

     SEC. 20. DEFINITIONS.

       As used in this Act:
       (1) The term ``Commission'' means the Equal Employment 
     Opportunity Commission.
       (2) The term ``covered entity'' means an employer, 
     employment agency, labor organization, joint labor management 
     committee, an entity to which section 717(a) of the Civil 
     Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e(a)) applies, an employing 
     authority to which section 302(a)(1) of the Government 
     Employee Rights Act of 1991 (2 U.S.C. 1202(a)(1)) applies, or 
     an employing authority to which section 201(a) of the 
     Congressional Accountability Act of 1995 (Public Law 104-1; 
     109 Stat.3) applies.

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       (3) The term ``employer'' has the meaning given such term 
     in section 701(b) of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 
     2000e(b)).
       (4) The term ``employment agency'' has the meaning given 
     such term in section 701(c) of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 
     (42 U.S.C. 2000e(c)).
       (5) The term ``employment or employment opportunities'' 
     includes job application procedures, hiring, advancement, 
     discharge, compensation, job training, or any other term, 
     condition, or privilege of employment.
       (6) The term ``labor organization'' has the meaning given 
     such term in section 701(d) of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 
     (42 U.S.C. 2000e(d)).
       (7) The term ``person'' has the meaning given such term in 
     section 701(a) of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 
     2000e(a)).
       (8) The term ``religious organization'' means--
       (A) a religious corporation, association, or society, or
       (B) a college, school, university, or other educational 
     institution, not otherwise a religious organization, if--
       (i) it is in whole or substantial part controlled, managed, 
     owned, or supported by a religious corporation, association, 
     or society, or
       (ii) its curriculum is directed toward the propagation of a 
     particular religion.
       (9) The term ``sexual orientation'' means homosexuality, 
     bisexuality, or heterosexuality, whether such orientation is 
     real or perceived.
       (10) The term ``State'' has the meaning given such term in 
     section 701(i) of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 
     2000e(ii)).

  Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas (during the reading). Madam Speaker, I ask 
unanimous consent that the motion be considered as read and printed in 
the Record.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentlewoman from Texas?
  There was no objection.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentlewoman from Texas [Ms. Jackson-Lee] 
is recognized for 5 minutes in support of her motion to recommit.
  Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Madam Speaker, I ask for the attention of 
the House because, as many of us have entered houses of worship, this 
debate has been wrapped more in whether one's belief in the Scriptures 
and Bible will carry the day.
  Let me say, Madam Speaker, that I am a Bible believer and a Bible 
reader, but all of God's children have rights. I believe that we have 
over these last 24 hours lifted up and increased discrimination as 
opposed to decreasing discrimination. The Employment Nondiscrimination 
Act is biblical in nature as well, for it gives human dignity to all of 
God's children.
  I will speak to the issue of germaneness, and I appreciate the 
gentleman from Florida, but in fact this amendment and motion to 
recommit is germane. It increases the opportunity for all citizens to 
be treated equally. It takes away the sting of denying people their 
rights. This subject matter is, in fact, appropriate, for it seems that 
the legislation that is now on the floor deals with gays and lesbians 
and separates them out from the Constitution of the United States. This 
Employment Nondiscrimination Act says that we will not be a gestapo, 
that we will respect and we will lift up the rights of all citizens.

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  Yes, the Committee on the Judiciary, from which this bill has come 
out, also has jurisdiction over the Employment Nondiscrimination Act of 
1996. Therefore, Madam Speaker, I am not running away from germaneness, 
but I do understand that we have been discussing over these last 2 days 
legislation that is to respond and control perversion that 
characterizes many individuals.
  I would simply say that this is the appropriate way for a nation like 
ours to go, one that embodies in this House the word ``union,'' stick 
together; the word ``justice,'' justice for all; the word 
``tolerance,'' to tolerate those citizens who have given their lives 
for this flag and this country; and yes, the word ``liberty,'' liberty 
for all; and yes, the word ``peace.'' We should go in peace and 
harmony.
  So I believe that the subject matter that deals with gay and lesbian 
rights in the workplace is more than appropriate for a motion to 
recommit, for this body to stand equal with America in responding to 
the good aspects, to the goodness of what this country stands for; for 
the reason we have lost men and women overseas, for liberty and 
equality for all. How can we not today stand with America and the flag 
and acknowledge the human dignity of all of god's children? How can we 
not?

  So I ask my colleagues if they would accept this motion to recommit 
so we do not leave this place this day; so we, like Esther, will 
acknowledge that if I perish, I perish, for I must stand for what is 
right.
  It is important that we allow this legislation, the Employment 
Nondiscrimination Act of 1996, to give human dignity to all of our 
citizens. It is important, it is germane. It provides the criteria of 
germaneness, for it deals, as I said, with increasing the opportunities 
and decreasing discrimination.
  Likewise, it deals with gays and lesbians, and yes, the subject 
matter is relevant. I would hope the subject matter of equality and the 
dignity of all and the respect for the words of this Chamber of justice 
and tolerance and peace and liberty is the way that we should go.
  Madam Speaker, I would ask my colleagues, can we not, can we not, can 
we not acknowledge freedom in America goes to all of our citizens, all 
of our citizens?


                             point of order

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. (Ms. Greene of Utah). Does the gentleman 
from Florida [Mr. Canady] insist on his point of order?
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Madam Speaker, I insist on my point of order.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his point of order.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. the motion to recommit is not germane to the 
bill. The bill relates solely to the subject of marriage. The motion to 
recommit seeks to add language which relates to employment 
discrimination to a bill dealing with marriage. Clearly, this is a 
proposition on a subject different from that under consideration, in 
violation of clause 7 of rule XVI, and I ask the chair to rule the 
motion to recommit out of order.
  Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Madam Speaker, with great pain in my heart, 
I would maintain that we are germane, and it is with deepest regrets 
and great pain that I hear that human dignity is not germane. But at 
this point, Madam Speaker, with this pain and this disappointment, I 
will not contest the point of order.
  The CHAIRMAN. The point of order is conceded and sustained.
  The motion to recommit is not in order.


                motion to recommit offered by mr. berman

  Mr. BERMAN. Madam Speaker, I offer a motion to recommit with 
instructions.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is the gentleman opposed to the bill?
  Mr. BERMAN. I am in its present form, Madam Speaker.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the motion to 
recommit.
  The Clerk read as follows:

       Mr. Berman of California moves to recommit the bill, H.R. 
     3396, back to the Committee on the Judiciary with 
     instructions to report the bill back forthwith with the 
     following amendment:
       Page 3, line 24, at the end of the bill, add the following 
     new section to the legislation:

     ``SEC. 4. STUDY OF THE DIFFERENCES IN BENEFITS, RIGHTS AND 
                   PRIVILEGES AVAILABLE TO PERSONS IN A MARRIAGE 
                   AND TO PERSONS IN A DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP.

       ``(a) General Accounting Office Study.--The General 
     Accounting Office shall undertake a study of the differences 
     in the benefits, rights and privileges available to persons 
     in a marriage and the benefits, rights and privileges 
     available to persons in a domestic partnership resulting from 
     the non-recognition of domestic partnerships as legal unions 
     by State and Federal laws.
       ``(b) Requirements of Study.--The General Accounting Office 
     shall--
       ``(1) conduct a comprehensive review of Federal statutes 
     and administrative regulations, rulings, and determinations 
     to compile an inventory of Federal benefits, rights and 
     privileges available to persons in a marriage and to 
     determine whether such Federal benefits, rights, and 
     privileges are also available to persons in a domestic 
     partnership;
       ``(2) analyze the impact of Federal statutes and 
     administrative regulations, rulings, and determinations on 
     the private sector to determine whether those statutes, 
     rules, regulations, and determinations influence the private 
     sector to make benefits, rights, and privileges available to 
     persons in a marriage which are not available to persons in a 
     domestic partnership;
       ``(3) survey State property, testamentary, probate, 
     insurance, credit, and contract laws to determine whether a 
     difference exists in their usefulness to address the legal 
     needs of persons in a marriage and their usefulness to 
     address the legal needs of persons in a domestic partnership;
       ``(4) survey the laws of other major industrialized 
     countries to determine whether

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     there is a difference in those countries between the 
     government benefits, rights and privileges available to 
     persons in a marriage and the governmental benefits, rights 
     and privileges available to persons in a domestic 
     partnership; and
       ``(5) conduct such further investigation and analysis as it 
     deems necessary to study the differences in the benefits, 
     rights and privileges available to persons in a marriage and 
     the benefits, rights and privileges available to persons in 
     domestic partnerships resulting from the non-recognition of 
     domestic partnerships as legal unions by State and Federal 
     laws.
       ``(c) Report.--Not later than October 1, 1997, the General 
     Accounting Office shall submit to the President and to the 
     Congress a report of its findings pursuant to the study 
     conducted under this section.
       ``(d) Assistance in Completing the Study and Report.--
       ``(1) Assistance from other agencies.--The General 
     Accounting Office may secure directly from any Federal 
     department or agency such information as may be necessary to 
     complete the study and report required by this section.
       ``(2) Detailed personnel.--On the request of the 
     Comptroller General, the head of any Federal department or 
     agency is authorized to detail, without reimbursement, any 
     personnel of that department or agency to the General 
     Accounting Office to assist it in carrying out its duties 
     under this section. The detail of any individual may not 
     result in the interruption or loss of civil services status 
     or other privilege of the individual.
       ``(3) Assistance from attorney general.--The Attorney 
     General of the United States shall provide the General 
     Accounting Office with such administrative and support 
     services as the Comptroller General may request to complete 
     the study and report required by this section.
       ``(e) Definition.--For the purposes of this section, the 
     term `domestic partnership' means two persons committed to an 
     interpersonal relationship with each other, other than 
     marriage, which has been acknowledged through a publicly 
     established governmental procedure, through a privately 
     enforceable written agreement, or through other documents 
     executed by those persons which evidence their intention to 
     commit to an interpersonal relationship with each other.''.

  Mr. BERMAN (during the reading). Madam Speaker, I ask unanimous 
consent that the motion to recommit be considered as read and printed 
in the Record.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from California?
  There was no objection.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from California is recognized 
for 5 minutes in support of his motion to recommit.
  Mr. BERMAN. Madam Speaker, this is a motion to recommit with 
instructions. This motion to recommit is simply adding an amendment to 
the bill and asking that the bill be reported back forthwith. If this 
motion to recommit passes, the body will still be voting on the bill 
immediately after the vote on the motion to recommit.
  The motion to recommit is very simple: It simply asks for a GAO study 
to look at the differences in benefits, rights, and privileges 
available to persons in a marriage and to persons in a domestic 
partnership resulting from the non-recognition of domestic partnerships 
as legal unions by State and Federal laws.
  Once again, the passage of this motion to recommit will not send the 
bill to a committee, it will not bury this bill. The bill will come 
back immediately for a vote on final passage.
  Mrs. JOHNSON of Connecticut. Madam Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. BERMAN. I yield to the gentlewoman from Connecticut.
  Mrs. JOHNSON of Connecticut. Madam Speaker, I rise in support of this 
motion to recommit. Clearly there is a need to understand how we enable 
people who are committed to one another to have appropriate legal 
rights and responsibilities with regard to each other. All this study 
does is to ask the GAO to look at the rights and responsibilities one 
has under a marriage contract and the rights and responsibilities that 
domestic partners have under current State and Federal law. We simply 
need to know this information.
  Without question, marriage has been the pillar of social organization 
over time in every society, because marriage helps to sustain the 
development of love, loyalty, commitment, and responsibility. Domestic 
partner relationships are not marriage, and that is what this bill 
says. But domestic partner relationships do encourage commitment, 
responsibility, love, and loyalty, and I think it is important that our 
society rise to the challenge of finding what legal entitles we need to 
develop to allow people who want to take responsibility for one 
another, who want to, over time, legally share responsibilities for 
health care, share responsibilities for planning funerals and so on and 
so forth, how we help them do that. This is just a study to get the 
information. We are proposing it in a legal form because we want to 
acknowledge that this information is important to us as a society; that 
all relationships of commitment are important to a stable society. And 
in the passage of this bill, which I intend to support, we do not 
intend to denigrate other relationships of integrity.
  Mr. UPTON. Madam Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. BERMAN. I yield to the gentleman from Michigan.
  Mr. UPTON. Madam Speaker, I support the base bill, and I would say 
that I also support this motion to recommit, which does not delete, 
eliminate, or change anything in the present bill, as we will vote on 
final passage on this measure whether or not this motion to recommit 
passes or fails.
  If Members are like me, a very happily married man with two wonderful 
kids, this issue does not come up a lot in my household. But what this 
motion to recommit does is it simply adds a section calling upon the 
GAO to conduct a study determining the benefits, rights, and privileges 
given to those in marriage but not those in long-term domestic 
partnerships. As part of the study it will also look at how other 
countries have legally dealt with the long-term relationships outside 
of marriage.
  It changes no law. It only asks the GAO to give us the information 
requested by October 1, 1997. Then we are free to use such information 
to decide what if any policy changes we want to make. Let us affirm our 
commitment to traditional marriage, but let us do so in a way that 
respects and is sensitive to those in long-term domestic partnerships.
  For example, if our colleague, the gentleman from Wisconsin, Steve 
Gunderson, were sick or injured, why should his partner not have 
automatic visitation privileges or automatic doctoral consultations, 
which many today have been denied?
  Madam Speaker, when the former committee staff director, Matt 
Fletcher, of the gentleman from Pennsylvania, Bill Clinger, lost his 
partner of 16 years to AIDS, Matt could not sign the documents at the 
funeral home. All this motion to recommit does is ask for a study, ask 
for a study, so when the study is completed in 1\1/2\ years from now or 
so, we can have better information with which to deal with this issue.
  I ask Members to vote to recommit the bill, and I also ask that 
Members vote for final passage, whether or not the motion to recommit 
passes.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Madam Speaker, I rise in opposition to the 
motion to recommit with instructions.
  Madam Speaker, the purpose of the instruction is to require by 
statute that which the chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary has 
the authority to do by letter. The chairman of the committee, the 
gentleman from Illinois [Mr. Hyde], during the Committee on Rules 
meeting when this issue came up offered to write to the GAO for the 
study requested by the proposed instruction.
  This motion represents a transparent attempt to give some statutory 
recognition to domestic partnerships. I do not think this is necessary 
to encumber the statute with language which is superfluous outside. 
Therefore, I oppose the motion to recommit with instructions.
  Mr. HYDE. Madam Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. I yield to the gentleman from Illinois.
  Mr. HYDE. Madam Speaker, really, this request for a GAO study does 
not belong in the statute. I agreed a long time ago to request it as 
chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary. We should go forward with 
that. I pledge to do so. I have assured the gentleman that I will ask 
for a study of the instances in which the inability of domestic 
partners to form a legal union causes a disparity of entitlement to 
Federal benefits, rights, or privileges. So to amend this bill is not 
necessary.
  The study mandated by the Gunderson amendment is overly broad. It 
includes all State laws, it includes other

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majority industrialized countries, in addition to the Federal law. We 
think our interest should be limited to the benefits conferred under 
Federal law, and it should be tailored to that interest.
  There are other objections to it, but suffice it to say putting it in 
the statute gives it an equivalence to the marriage institution that we 
do not think is appropriate now. I will write the letter, I will do it 
Monday, I will request the study, and that should suffice. I would ask 
that this motion to recommit be defeated.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without objection, the previous question is 
ordered on the motion to recommit.
  There was no objection.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion to recommit.
  The question was taken; and the Chair announced that the noes 
appeared to have it.
  Mr. BERMAN. Madam Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair will reduce to a minimum of 5 
minutes the period of time during which a vote by electronic device, if 
ordered, will be taken on the question of passage.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 164, 
nays 249, not voting 20, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 315]

                               YEAS--164

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baldacci
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bilbray
     Blumenauer
     Blute
     Bonior
     Borski
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Campbell
     Cardin
     Castle
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clinger
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Coyne
     Cummings
     Davis
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Ehlers
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Filner
     Foglietta
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fox
     Frank (MA)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Gilchrest
     Gilman
     Gonzalez
     Green (TX)
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutierrez
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hobson
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Jackson (IL)
     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Kanjorski
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klug
     Kolbe
     Lantos
     Lazio
     Leach
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Markey
     Martinez
     Martini
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     Meek
     Menendez
     Millender-McDonald
     Miller (CA)
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Moran
     Morella
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Pelosi
     Pryce
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Shays
     Skaggs
     Slaughter
     Stark
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Thomas
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Upton
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Ward
     Waters
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Woolsey
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--249

     Allard
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baesler
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barcia
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bevill
     Bilirakis
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Boucher
     Browder
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chapman
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clement
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooley
     Costello
     Cox
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Danner
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Dingell
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Doyle
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Edwards
     Ehrlich
     English
     Evans
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flake
     Fowler
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gillmor
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Gordon
     Goss
     Graham
     Greene (UT)
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Holden
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kaptur
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klink
     Knollenberg
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Lipinski
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Lucas
     Manton
     Manzullo
     Mascara
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     McNulty
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Minge
     Molinari
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Payne (VA)
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickett
     Pombo
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roemer
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Spratt
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tanner
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Tejeda
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Traficant
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wise
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--20

     Archer
     Brewster
     Dunn
     Ensign
     Fields (LA)
     Flanagan
     Ford
     Gibbons
     Hall (OH)
     Johnston
     LaFalce
     Lincoln
     Longley
     McDade
     Meehan
     Roberts
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Watt (NC)
     Young (FL)

                              {time}  1414

  The Clerk announced the following pair:
  On this vote:

       Mr. Johnston of Florida for, with Mr. Longley against.

  So the motion to recommit was rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Ms. Greene of Utah). The question is on the 
passage of the bill.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.
  Mr. CANADY of Florida. Madam Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and 
nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. This will be a 5-minute vote.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 342, 
nays 67, answered ``present'' 2, not voting 22, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 316]

                               YEAS--342

     Allard
     Andrews
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baesler
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Baldacci
     Ballenger
     Barcia
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Barrett (WI)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bentsen
     Bereuter
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blumenauer
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bonior
     Bono
     Borski
     Boucher
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bryant (TX)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Campbell
     Canady
     Cardin
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chapman
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clinger
     Clyburn
     Coble
     Coburn
     Coleman
     Collins (GA)
     Collins (IL)
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooley
     Costello
     Cox
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cummings
     Cunningham
     Danner
     Davis
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeLauro
     DeLay
     Deutsch
     Diaz-Balart
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Doyle
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     English
     Evans
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fazio
     Fields (TX)
     Filner
     Flake
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Frost
     Funderburk
     Furse
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Gonzalez
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Gordon
     Goss
     Graham
     Green (TX)
     Greene (UT)
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Hefner
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hilliard
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Holden
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hoyer
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kim

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     King
     Kingston
     Kleczka
     Klink
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Levin
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Lipinski
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Lowey
     Lucas
     Luther
     Manton
     Manzullo
     Martini
     Mascara
     McCarthy
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHale
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     McNulty
     Menendez
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Minge
     Moakley
     Molinari
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Murtha
     Myers
     Myrick
     Neal
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Pastor
     Paxon
     Payne (VA)
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickett
     Pombo
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Reed
     Regula
     Richardson
     Riggs
     Roemer
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Rose
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Rush
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Schumer
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Spratt
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Stump
     Stupak
     Talent
     Tanner
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Tejeda
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Thurman
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Torricelli
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Ward
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wilson
     Wise
     Wolf
     Wynn
     Yates
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                                NAYS--67

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Berman
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (OH)
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Coyne
     DeFazio
     Dellums
     Dixon
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Farr
     Fattah
     Foglietta
     Frank (MA)
     Gejdenson
     Gunderson
     Gutierrez
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hinchey
     Jackson (IL)
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Lantos
     Lewis (GA)
     Lofgren
     Maloney
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     McDermott
     McKinney
     Meek
     Millender-McDonald
     Miller (CA)
     Mink
     Moran
     Nadler
     Olver
     Pallone
     Payne (NJ)
     Pelosi
     Rangel
     Rivers
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Schroeder
     Scott
     Serrano
     Skaggs
     Slaughter
     Stark
     Stokes
     Studds
     Torres
     Towns
     Velazquez
     Waters
     Waxman
     Williams
     Woolsey

                        ANSWERED ``PRESENT''--2

     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Owens
       

                             NOT VOTING--22

     Brewster
     Clay
     Dickey
     Dunn
     Ensign
     Fields (LA)
     Flanagan
     Ford
     Gibbons
     Greenwood
     Hall (OH)
     Johnston
     LaFalce
     Lincoln
     Longley
     McDade
     Meehan
     Roberts
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Watt (NC)
     Young (FL)

                              {time}  1421

  The Clerk announced the following pairs:
  On this vote:

       Mr. Flanagan for, with Mr. Clay against.
       Mr. Longley for, with Mr. Johnston of Florida against.

  So the bill was passed.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  A motion to reconsider was laid upon the table.

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