[Congressional Record Volume 142, Number 102 (Thursday, July 11, 1996)]
[Senate]
[Pages S7757-S7759]
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             DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1997

  Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, I want to try once again on the defense 
bill.
  As I understand it, Mr. President, under the situation we have now, 
if we are going to be in session tomorrow, the amendments in first 
degree on the defense bill must be filed by tomorrow. If we are in 
session on Monday, the second-degree amendments have to be filed 
Monday.
  I certainly hope that I will not see the day when the Senate will 
vote against cloture on a defense bill, particularly one that has total 
bipartisan support; voted out of our committee without objection.
  I can state to my good friend and partner from Hawaii that I am 
certain that we have personally reviewed every request made by each 
Senator and have discussed with each Senator every request made and 
have accommodated every Senator, or explained why it could not be 
accommodated. We have had no objection raised, to my knowledge, to any 
decision that has been made so far.
  What I am concerned about is that means we are going into cloture on 
Tuesday, which means we are not going to get through our bill until at 
least this time next week.
  I would like once again to see if there is not some way we can work 
out that question to come in tomorrow and handle amendments that are in 
agreement, come in Monday afternoon and handle amendments in agreement, 
and take up the amendments that are in contention on Monday and vote, 
and vote finally on our bill Tuesday afternoon.
  That is the essence of what the request was in the unanimous consent 
proposal of the leader which we wrote.
  Is there any way that any Senator would tell us what we could do to 
accommodate the concept of trying to move this bill forward?
  Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I might say to the Senator from Alaska and 
to the Senator from Nevada that their situation is in the mill. They 
are protected. I do not see why we cannot get an agreement to take up 
the Department of Defense appropriations bill and deal with it, 
recognizing your rights are still fully protected. Why can we not do 
that? I do not quite understand that.
  Mr. BRYAN. Mr. President, if I might respond to the majority leader, 
the Senators on the floor currently have an understanding of the rules, 
as does the Senator from Alaska, and obviously the majority leader.
  The Senators from Nevada are fighting for their lives. The 
legislation that is being proposed with respect to interim nuclear 
waste dumps is without precedent in the history of the country and the 
history of the Senate. Therefore, to ask the Senators from Nevada to 
surrender any of the parliamentary rights which this body confers upon 
us is to ask us to abandon the constituents that we represent.
  I have not been here as long as my senior colleague, but I know that 
each of the Senators on the floor are advocates and tenacious 
supporters of their constituents. We can be no less with our own.
  So the issue that is all important for us is the interim storage of 
nuclear waste, and there is no reason why that needs to go forward. The 
technical review people and scientists tell us there is no reason. It 
is only the nuclear utility lobby that puts us in this position.
  Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, does either Senator from Alaska wish to say 
anything at this point or try anything else?
  I thought I might propound another unanimous consent request.
  I ask unanimous consent that the cloture vote with respect to nuclear 
waste occur at 10 a.m. on Tuesday, July 16, and it be in order to 
consider S. 1894 prior to the cloture vote regarding nuclear waste.
  Mr. REID. I object.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, will the leader allow me to respond to my 
friend?
  Mr. LOTT. I yield to the Senator from Nevada.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I state to my friend and colleague from 
Nevada that I serve on the Appropriations Committee. I would like this 
bill to move on. But for reasons that have been explained, we cannot do 
that. The Senator from Alaska knows that if we agree that the Defense 
bill go on before the two cloture votes on Monday or Tuesday, we give 
up certain rights, important rights that we have. And so I respectfully 
say that I think we cannot give those rights up.

  I would only say in addition to what my friend from Nevada said, we, 
we believe, are not only protecting the rights of the people of the 
State of Nevada, but there are going to be tens of thousands of tons of 
nuclear waste transported on railroads and trucks all over the United 
States that is unnecessary. The nuclear review board has said leave it 
where it is--the technical review board.
  So we understand the importance of moving legislation. We want to 
move legislation. But we cannot do it with this nuclear cloud hanging 
over our head.
  Mr. LOTT addressed the Chair.
  Mr. STEVENS. Will the Senator yield?
  Mr. LOTT. I yield. In fact, Mr. President----
  Mr. STEVENS. I will be brief. I would only say, if I might, Mr. 
President, I have been here a long time, and I have seen a lot of 
filibusters. I have seen a lot of delaying of the Senate. I have never 
seen any Senator--and I would challenge anyone to show me--that any 
Senator filibustering has ever held up a bill that is in the interest 
of national security. This Senator never has. I know Jim Allen never 
did. I do not remember any such parliamentary tactic being used against 
a Defense bill.
  As a matter of fact, I think this is the first time I can remember we 
have had to file cloture to get the Defense appropriations bill passed. 
This is not just a run-of-the-mill bill. This is the most important 
bill we pass every Congress to maintain the defenses of this country. 
This is our second duty when we take the oath. We swear under the 
Constitution that we will maintain the defenses of this country.
  I admire my friends from Nevada for standing up for their State. I 
take no back seat to anyone in standing up for my State. And I have 
taken every right that I have had on the floor to protect my State, but 
I have never held up a bill that is in the interest of national 
security.
  I do not believe the Senators from Nevada are correct in asserting 
that somehow they would lose any rights by allowing us to proceed with 
this bill. Their rights are protected under the rules in terms of 
handling the issue that affects their State. Their rights are 
protected, of course, in handling whatever they want to do with regard 
to the bill that I have the privilege to manage, but they would lose 
none of their rights, and I would not be a party to taking rights away 
from them, by proceeding with the Defense bill.
  Blocking the Defense bill has nothing to do with the national 
security as far as this country is concerned. My bill, our bill does. 
And it means now we will probably not get finished with this bill until 
about a week from now, and that means we will probably not be able to 
get back here, before we recess in August, with a conference report. We 
will not be able to know whether the President agrees. And we will be 
behind this bill that the Senators from Nevada are talking about all 
the way. If we are delayed now, we will be delayed later when it comes 
up again. It is going to come up again in terms of the conference 
report, in terms of appointing conferees. I say it is in the best 
interests of this country to get this bill out of the way.

  I challenge the Senators from Nevada to demonstrate what they have 
said. Proceeding on this bill of ours now will not harm their rights 
with regard to the issue that affects their State in any single way.
  Mr. REID. I would accept the challenge, if I could, through the 
majority leader.
  Mr. STEVENS. I would be happy to have it.
  Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I believe I will yield the floor and let 
Senators get recognition in their own right.

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  Mr. STEVENS and Mr. REID addressed the Chair.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska.
  Mr. STEVENS. If I could be more explicit, I will try. The rules do 
not provide any protection for the Senators from Nevada with regard to 
delay of the defense bill. I would challenge them to so state, and I do 
challenge them to so state. What they are doing today is just merely 
delaying getting to the bill that they object to with regard to Nevada. 
It is a timing question, until the cloture motion was filed. When the 
cloture motion was filed, we all know when we will vote on the issue 
pertaining to Nevada. But to say that it must wait, the decision on 
that must wait before we proceed on the bill--it is the pending 
business. It was the pending business this morning. We tried to raise 
it yesterday. And now we have spent the day today. I will be back 
tomorrow. I will be back Monday. I will be back Tuesday. I am going to 
be out on the floor every day. And I want to say to my good friends 
from Nevada, I am going to tell the world they are holding up the 
defense of the United States.
  Mr. CRAIG. Will the Senator yield?
  Mr. REID addressed the Chair.
  Mr. STEVENS. I do yield to my friend from Nevada.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska has the floor.
  Mr. BRYAN addressed the Chair.
  Mr. STEVENS. I yield for a question.
  Mr. CRAIG. The Senator from Idaho, in working with the Senators from 
Nevada, assured them the protection that they now ask that they have 
and is granted under the rules of the Senate. There was no way to 
change their protection. The process we used to bring this bill to the 
floor is the process of the Senate.
  So the Senator from Alaska is absolutely right. The Senators from 
Nevada, their full rights are protected. Now they use the defense bill, 
tragically enough, because I agree with the Senator from Alaska, while 
it is clearly within their rights to do what they do, and I do not 
dispute that now and I do not think the Senator from Alaska does, I 
believe their action is unprecedented.
  I think it is important the Record show the Senator from Idaho has 
worked very hard to bring this national nuclear waste bill to the floor 
so that we can deal with a national problem. I dealt with the Senators 
from Nevada in a very forthright way to assure them that all of their 
rights would be protected and that I or any other Senator interested in 
this legislation was not in any way going to attempt to step on their 
rights, because in the Senate we do not do that. So they were protected 
in an adequate way.
  I yield back to the Senator from Alaska.
  Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, does the Senator from Nevada wish to----
  Mr. BRYAN. Mr. President, could I be recognized?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alaska has the floor. The 
Senators from Nevada are seeking the floor.
  Mr. STEVENS. I have no desire to end up today having the Senators 
from Nevada start filibustering my bill at this late hour. I will be 
happy to yield to the Senators for a question, but I hope that we 
either go ahead with my bill or decide when we will go ahead with my 
bill without regard to a filibuster on the nuclear issues. I will be 
glad----
  Mr. BRYAN. Will the Senator yield for a question?
  Mr. STEVENS. To have the Senators ask a question.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The junior Senator from Nevada is recognized 
for a question.
  Mr. BRYAN. I am sure the Senator from Alaska is aware that the 
Senators from Nevada are not trying to do anything that would 
compromise or jeopardize national defense. The Senators from Nevada, 
like the Senator from Alaska, have a strong conviction--come from a 
State in which national defense interests are of paramount 
consideration, as they are in the State which the Senator so ably 
represents.
  We are talking about an appropriations bill that will go into effect 
October 1 of this year for the next fiscal year, so there is no 
imminent crisis that we face at the moment.
  If I might indirectly respond to a question in the statement made by 
the Senator from Idaho, the Senators from Nevada have tried throughout 
this afternoon to offer a series of proposals that would allow us to 
move immediately not only to the defense appropriations bill but to 
other pieces of legislation that are pending as well. And we would be 
prepared to do that.
  I think it is fair to say that some on the other side of the aisle 
were prepared to accept the proposals the Senators from Nevada were 
offering, but the Senator from Idaho and others indicated that they 
would be unprepared to accept the proposal which would move us 
immediately to the consideration of this bill only if the Senators from 
Nevada surrendered their parliamentary rights conferred under the rules 
with respect to a process which might occur if the nuclear waste bill 
ever went to conference, something at this point we do not know for 
sure.
  So I do not believe it is fair to characterize that the Senators from 
Nevada are unwilling to try to deal with this bill, the Department of 
Defense bill. We have offered several proposals, and they have been 
rejected. I regret that because I think that would be the appropriate 
course of action for us to follow this evening.
  Mr. REID. Will the Senator from Alaska yield for a question?
  Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, let me respond to this first now. I want 
to make it clear--and we stand out here and say these are our friends 
in the Chamber. The Senators from Nevada come from a small State like I 
do in terms of population. We are friends. But I disagree. We currently 
have an order we will vote on the cloture motion on the nuclear waste 
disposal bill on Tuesday.
  There is absolutely nothing that can be lost, in terms of rights of 
the two Senators from Nevada with regard to that bill by letting our 
bill go forward. As a matter of fact, letting it be voted on before, we 
could have it finished before that cloture vote.
  I understand the idea of trying to delay getting to a bill in terms 
of trying to delay the bill ahead of it. But that is past, as I said. 
Once the cloture motion was filed, the time runs under the rule from 
then, and there is nothing that can be done to harm the position of the 
Senators from Nevada with regard to that bill by proceeding with the 
pending business.
  I respectfully say again, we have a strange situation this year with 
regard to this bill. We know we are presenting a bill that is beyond 
the request of the President. We are working on a strategy to present 
the President a bill we think he will sign. That will take time. In any 
event, we need to know if the bill is to be signed. If it is not to be 
signed, then--if he wants to veto it--then we have to go back and 
finish that process. But we have to do it all within the period of 
September in order to finish, and this year is an election year. This 
is the second year of a Congress. We will go out of session in October.
  I am saying again to the Senators, the worst thing that could happen 
to the defense of the United States is to act under a continuing 
resolution. We must get a bill for this subject, on defense, or else we 
cannot enter into long-term contracts. We cannot enter into contracts 
that save the taxpayers' money. We pointed out here today, on three 
occasions, what we will save by virtue of this bill; $1 billion in one 
acquisition alone, we will save. It is certified by the GAO. Everybody 
knows we are going to save money by changing the way we handle some of 
this acquisition for our defense forces. We cannot do that under a 
continuing resolution. The whole Government can act, perhaps, on a 
continuing resolution. The Department of Defense loses money, the 
taxpayers pay in excess for their defense every time we have to go 
through a continuing resolution.
  I say to my friend, there is no way we are going to get back here and 
have another bill for defense if the President in fact vetoes the bill 
in September and we do not get the bill again to him in September. We 
cannot get through the defense bill in 2 weeks. We are going to be 
dealing with a continuing resolution. Every single portion of the 
Department of Defense loses and the taxpayers lose, if we try to 
operate the Department of Defense on a continuing resolution. I am 
pleading with my friend from Nevada to let go of our bill. They will 
not lose any of their rights. Again, I will be pleased to respond to 
any question the Senators have.

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  I do think I do know these rules. I challenge anyone to challenge 
what I have just said, because there is no right the Senator from 
Nevada will lose by letting us proceed with the pending business with 
regard to anything they have the right to. They do have the right to do 
what they are doing, I agree. But they do not lose any rights by 
letting us go ahead.
  Mr. NICKLES. Will the Senator yield for a question?
  Mr. STEVENS. Yes.
  Mr. NICKLES. The Senator from Alaska has been here a little bit 
longer than I have, and I compliment him for his years of service as 
well as the Senator from Hawaii, Senator Inouye, and I hope we can move 
forward with this legislation.
  I cannot recall--I have been around when we had a few filibusters--
but I cannot recall in my 16 years here that anybody has filibustered a 
bill, not the bill they were opposed to, but filibustering a bill that 
is coming up prior to the bill that they were opposed to.

  Mr. STEVENS. I know Senators have objected to unanimous consent 
requests on legislation that was preceding an issue they were concerned 
with. I think that is done.
  I do not know of any situation where, after a cloture motion has been 
filed on the subject of the Senator's interest, where a Senator has 
then tried to delay any other legislation in order to try to protect a 
right that he perceived. Because I can perceive no right in such delay 
after the cloture motion is filed. We either get cloture or we do not 
get cloture. The Senator's rights are protected either way, under 
cloture rule or postcloture--the handling of the bill if cloture fails. 
I do not remember any such circumstance.
  Mr. SANTORUM. Will the Senator from Alaska yield for another 
question?
  Mr. STEVENS. Yes.
  Mr. SANTORUM. I am trying to understand the rights that might be 
given up. If the Senators from Nevada do not allow the Defense bill to 
come up, will there be a cloture vote on the nuclear waste bill at 10 
o'clock on Tuesday?
  Mr. STEVENS. Yes.
  Mr. SANTORUM. If they allow the bill to come up, will there be a 
cloture vote at 10 on Tuesday on the nuclear waste bill?
  Mr. STEVENS. Yes.
  Mr. SANTORUM. What rights, then, do they lose if that occurs?
  Mr. STEVENS. I perceive none once we get into the cloture motion and 
vote.
  Mr. REID. Will the Senator from Alaska yield, with his retaining his 
right to the floor?
  Mr. STEVENS. Yes, without losing my right to the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. REID. I say to my friend from Alaska, it appears to me that we 
are criticizing the wrong people here. If, in fact, there is such an 
urge to go forward with this legislation, and much other legislation, 
it would seem to me it would be the right thing to do to move away from 
a bill that the President said he is going to veto. Why is all the 
burden placed on us?
  Mr. STEVENS. Let me answer that, respectfully. When we tried 
yesterday to get to the defense bill, nuclear waste was not on the 
screen. We tried to get on it this morning, did get on to it, and 
immediately we have a filibuster because of nuclear waste. The leader 
did what he should do. He made the motion to call up nuclear waste, and 
filed the cloture motion so there will be a cloture vote on the motion 
to proceed to that bill.
  The Senators from Nevada not only have the right to insist on a 
cloture motion on the motion to proceed, but they also have a 
subsequent right to a cloture motion on the final vote on the bill, 
they then have the right to cloture motion on appointment of conferees 
on that bill. I can tell the Senators, if I were the Senators I can 
guarantee the Senate would not vote on this bill you oppose this year.
  But that has nothing to do with my bill. That has nothing to do with 
my bill. You have every right to protect your own interests with regard 
to your bill, but you are delaying the defense interests, the basic 
concern of the defense of the United States, in my opinion.

  I am telling you, you lose no rights. I should not address the 
Senator directly. I apologize. The Senator from Nevada loses no rights, 
neither Senator, by allowing our bill to proceed. And by consenting to 
that unanimous-consent request, we would vote either before or after 
the cloture motion, the bill would go to conference, the defense bill, 
and we have a chance--a chance of finishing this year with a bill 
signed and approved by the President.
  Mr. President, I cannot deal with this much longer without displaying 
some of what some people have called an unruly temper. It is not an 
unruly temper. I know how to use it.
  So I would say to my friend from Nevada, I am sorry this is the case. 
It is my understanding the distinguished assistant minority leader has 
duties. Mr. President, under the circumstances, I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The assistant majority leader.

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