[Congressional Record Volume 142, Number 30 (Thursday, March 7, 1996)]
[Senate]
[Pages S1636-S1638]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
UNANIMOUS-CONSENT REQUEST--S. 942
Mr. BOND. I thank the Chair. Mr. President, as I said earlier today,
we are trying to move to Calendar No. 342, S. 942, the small business
regulatory reform bill. I understand, if I ask unanimous consent to
move to consideration of the bill at this moment, there will be an
objection; so I ask.
Mr. SIMON. Yes. Mr. President, in behalf of Senator Daschle, for
reasons he has outlined earlier, I will object.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Missouri.
Mr. BOND. Mr. President, I have heard some concern expressed that
this measure may become a broad measure and involve many other items,
such as controversial items that are included in the major regulatory
reform bill, S. 343, which I personally hope is moving toward
resolution.
There are a significant number of Members on both sides moving
forward on that, but in order to assure my colleagues that we want to
keep the focus on small business, we have a consent decree which would,
I think, narrow it.
I want to read this consent request carefully so that other Members
can listen to it, so they can think about it and see whether this would
be the format under which we could bring the bill up.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that on Tuesday, March 12, at
11 a.m., the Senate proceed to the consideration of Calendar No. 342,
S. 942, the small business regulatory reform bill, and it be considered
under the following limitation:
Ninety minutes of total debate, equally divided between the two
managers; that the only amendments in order to the bill be the
following:
A managers' amendment to be offered by Senators Bond and Bumpers; an
amendment to be offered by Senator Nickles regarding congressional
review; and one additional amendment, if agreed to by both leaders,
after consultation with the two managers.
Further, that following the expiration or yielding back of all time,
any pending amendments and the bill be temporarily set aside; further,
that immediately following any ordered cloture votes on Tuesday, March
12, the Senate resume consideration of the bill, the Senate immediately
vote on any pending amendments to the bill; and, further, following
disposition of all pending amendments, the bill be read a third time,
the Senate proceed to a vote on final passage, all without any
intervening debate or action.
Mr. SIMON. Mr. President, as the Senator from Missouri knows, I
happen to be on the floor. I do not know the details of all this. I
object on behalf of Senator Daschle to what appears to be a reasonable
request. I think he should take it up with Senator Daschle.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
Mr. BOND. Mr. President, I thank the Chair, and I appreciate the
position of my colleague and neighbor from Illinois. I realize there is
objection on the other side.
Let me suggest what the framework of the debate itself is. We will
continue to discuss additional items to be brought up. I discussed with
my ranking member, Senator Bumpers, the objectives of keeping this bill
narrow. I believe we are in agreement. Whenever we can get the
agreement of the minority to proceed, I will propose that we enter into
an agreement on this basis so that we keep the amendments limited, and
so that we can come to closure on this very important matter.
Mr. President, since my good friend and neighbor from Arkansas is
here, let us lay out some of the reasons that this bill is important. I
have talked briefly about it before.
Last June, almost 2,000 delegates to the White House Conference on
Small Business came to Washington to give their best advice and counsel
to the President and Congress. They voted on an agenda of the top
concerns of small business. The Washington conference came after a
year-long grassroots effort, where over 20,000 small business people
sifted through more than 3,000 policy recommendations, some 59
conferences at the State level, and six regional hearings.
Over 400 of the most important policy recommendations were voted on
by delegates to the White House conference. The top 60 recommendations
were published by the conference last September as a report to the
President and Congress, entitled ``Foundation for a New Century.'' Not
surprising, this gathering echoed the findings that we in the Small
Business Committee have heard as we have held hearings in Washington
and around the country. Three of the top findings of the White House
Small Business Conference were calling for reforms in the way that
Government regulations are developed, the way they are enforced, and
reforming Government paperwork requirements.
The common theme of all three recommendations is the need to change
the culture of Government agencies, the need to provide an ear--a
responsive ear--and a responsive attitude toward the small business and
small entities that are the backbone of this country, the dynamic
engine driving the growth of this economy.
The Vice President said to the conference delegates last year,
``Government regulators need to stop treating small business as
potential suspects and start treating small business like a partner
sharing in a common goal.'' The Vice President also noted that this
change in the culture of Government may take years of effort to
accomplish. Mr. President, I would say, parenthetically, that if we
cannot even bring the bill up, it is going to take more than years.
I am extremely disappointed that we cannot even get an agreement to
bring the bill up next week. We have here before us a measure that is
designed to
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deal with one particular area of great importance to small businesses
all across the country.
One of the measures included in this bill is the Small Business
Advocacy Act, recommended by Senator Domenici, filed in the form of S.
917, which focused on the early involvement by small business in the
development of new regulations. The bill was referred to the Small
Business Committee, as was S. 942, the Small Business Regulatory
Fairness Act, which I introduced. We have been working to combine
elements of both bills in legislation that already had been considered
on the Senate floor, which was the measure to provide judicial review
and enforcement of the Regulatory Flexibility Act, which says, quite
simply, that Federal agencies have to take into consideration the
impact on small business of the regulations they issue.
We had hearings before the Small Business Committee which confirm the
importance of having this kind of reform. The SBA chief counsel for
advocacy released a report that said that small businesses bear a
disproportionate share of the regulatory burden. When you take a look
at regulations as they affect large businesses and as they affect the
smaller businesses with up to 50 employees, the cost for a small
business is some 50 to 80 percent more per employee. Small business is
put at a disadvantage not only in making a profit, but in competing
with a larger business.
Throughout our efforts in the Small Business Committee, I am proud to
say that we have worked very closely and had the greatest cooperation
from my ranking member, Senator Bumpers of Arkansas, and his staff. We
have had great input from members of the committee, who have taken a
very active role in holding hearings in their States and coming back
with recommendations to give to us on how we can flesh out this bill
and make it work better for small businesses in our States and across
the country.
This bill, S. 942, came out of the committee without any opposition,
and the more people have talked about it, the more offers we have had
to cosponsor it. I think the bill delivers on the legitimate regulatory
concerns of small business, as well as the major recommendations of the
White House Conference on Small Business, and it really does do
something to address the disproportionately heavy impact that these
regulations have on small business and on the paperwork burdens of
small business.
This legislation is narrowly focused on small business. It does not
go into the big debates over more expansive and, I think, needed
broader regulatory reform. These efforts need to go forward, but I
think we have something we can deliver here now, today, and, if not
today, for Heaven's sake, let us deliver it next week so small business
in America can begin to see that somebody is listening.
If there is one plaintive comment I have heard, both in my State of
Missouri, at other hearings, and at the hearings up here, it is small
business asking: ``Is anybody listening? Does anybody really care what
the burdens the Federal Government places on small business are doing
to the small businesses?'' I think it is time we answered the question,
and I think it is time we answered, ``Yes, we are willing to listen and
do something about it.'' I do not think that we can abandon these
efforts.
We need to move forward with regulatory relief this year. I think, as
I said in my remarks earlier today, judicial review of reg flex, the
1980 provision that said regulatory agencies are supposed to consider
small business, that has to be implemented, and there has to be teeth
put in it. They have not done so. Regulatory agencies have routinely
ignored the impact on small business. We need to give them some
enforcement powers so that they will be heard.
Equally important, we need to give enforcement reform some outlet to
change the culture of regulators when they deal with small business so
that somebody who has examples of regulators that have been
overreaching can get a fair hearing and a fair shake from the
regulators. These measures would level the playing field and bring some
accountability into small business.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record
a letter from the National Federation of Independent Business from the
Vice President of Federal Government Relations.
There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in
the Record, as follows:
National Federation
of Independent Business,
Washington, DC, March 7, 1996.
Hon. Christopher Bond,
Chairman, U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
Dear Mr. Chairman: On behalf of the more than 600,000 small
business owners of the National Federation of Independent
Business (NFIB), I urge all your colleagues to support S.
942, the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act
of 1996. The Bond-Bumpers legislation includes important
provisions that have been top priorities for NFIB members for
many years. It also includes provisions that were recommended
by small business owners at the 1995 White House Conference
on Small Business. The bill has these important elements:
Strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act.
Provisions that would encourage a more cooperative
regulatory enforcement environment regulation.
Updating the Equal Access to Justice Act.
Providing for the judicial review of the Regulatory
Flexibility Act of 1980 is of particular concern to the small
business community because it has the potential to fulfill
the promise of that 16 year old law. the purpose of
``reg.flex.'' was to fit regulations to the scale and
resources of the regulated entity. A strong ``reg.flex.''
process will provide a substantial measure of the regulatory
reform that small business owners have wanted for years.
The vote on S. 942 will be a ``Key Small Business Vote'' of
the 104th Congress.
Sincerely,
Donald A. Danner,
Vice President,
Federal Government Relations.
Mr. BOND. Mr. President, it says, in part:
On behalf of the more than 600,000 small business owners of
the National Federation of Independent Business, I urge all
your colleagues to support S. 942, the Small Business
Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act of 1996. The Bond-Bumpers
legislation includes important provisions that have been top
priorities for NFIB members for many years. It also includes
provisions that were recommended by small business owners at
the 1995 White House conference on small business.
It then goes on to describe it. It says, in closing, ``The vote on S.
942 will be a key small business vote of the 104th Congress.''
I see my colleague from Arkansas is on the floor so I yield the
floor.
Mr. BUMPERS. Mr. President, first, I want to express my sincere
appreciation to the chairman of the Small Business Committee, my
distinguished colleague, Senator Bond, who has spoken very eloquently
about this whole issue.
Second, I want to say that all the concerns I had about this bill--
and we had some--he has very graciously accommodated. I think the bill
is to the point now that if it were permitted to be brought up it would
sail through this Chamber by a vote of 100-zip.
In 1980, Congress passed what we know as the Regulatory Flexibility
Act. It was designed to lighten the regulatory burden on small
businesses. What is wrong? It has not worked. The small business
community feels that they have been taken because the bill simply did
not provide the relief that was represented to them. Every White House
conference for small business that has been held has put regulatory
flexibility as one of the very top issues that concern them. In 1992 it
was one of their top issues.
Now here is an opportunity for Congress, for the first time, to keep
faith with the small business community on something they say is just
about the highest item on the agenda. There is absolutely no sense in
anybody delaying the taking up or the passing of this bill.
To those who are working on a much broader regulatory reform bill, I
say, ``amen.'' You have my blessing. Stay with it. I hope some
regulatory reform bill on a comprehensive basis is offered that I can
support. Until that happy day, this bill ought to pass now. It is not
related to the broader regulatory reform bill. This bill says very
simple things, but they are dramatic and they are helpful.
First, the Small Business Administration will have a small business
ombudsman. Some guy comes into your office and says, ``Your fire
extinguisher is 56 inches off the floor and it ought to only be 54
inches off the floor, therefore I am fining you $100,'' they can
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write a letter or call the ombudsman and say, ``This is ridiculous. Not
only is he trying to fine me $100, he is arrogant. He is abusive.'' We
are trying to comply with the law out here and make a living and the
ombudsman can record it, sort of keep a report card on some of these
people who come in with an abusive attitude. What is wrong with that?
Second, we say and this is the most important part of the bill,
henceforth and forevermore when you draft a regulation you will have to
accompany it with an explanation in the mother tongue--which is
English--and say in clear, plain, written English what this regulation
does and what it takes to comply with it. It would not be a bad idea to
let the IRS in on that, too. Why is the IRS perhaps the most detested
of all Federal agencies? Because everything they do is subject to 18
interpretations.
Third, there is a broader equal access to justice provision in this
bill which says small business is entitled to attorney fees in certain
instances where they are sued and have to resist a regulation that is
found to be outside the intent of Congress. What is wrong with that?
We already have a rule that says a regulation that is found to be
arbitrary and capricious can be stricken; but we do not have a bill
that says if the courts find that OSHA or EPA or anybody else who tries
to impose a regulation on you to be arbitrary and capricious, you win,
but you lose because you do not get your attorney fees. Under this bill
in such a case you would almost always get your attorney fees. That is
the way it ought to be.
Finally, we have a provision that is mildly controversial called
judicial review. That is, if you do not like a regulation and you
believe that it goes beyond the intent of Congress and that Congress
did not intend this nonsense to be imposed on you, you challenge it.
Haul them into court--why not? Congress passes a one-sentence law and
the regulators will draft 1,000 regulations to enforce it, and then say
those regulations are sacred even though the small business community
had no input. Congress goes home, beats itself on the chest, gives
itself the good government award and says, ``Well, we passed a law, we
thought it would be OK.'' But nobody rode herd on the regulators.
So here there are 1,000 regulations out there and they are saying,
``We will impose these on you and you do not have the right to
appeal.'' That is downright un-American. I do not care what anybody
says.
I do not think I have ever voted to disallow judicial review. So here
is a chance to say to the small business community, we have heard your
complaints, we are doing everything we can, not only to lighten the
regulatory burden but make the regulators pay if they unfairly and
arbitrarily abuse you with their regulations.
Let me just repeat one thing. It is a real tragedy. This bill has
nothing to do with this giant so-called Dole-Johnston or Johnston-Dole
regulatory reform bill. I will tell you something else. I do not want
it part of that bill. I do not want somebody trying to attach this bill
to that bill as an amendment. I want to pass this bill and say to the
small business community: Here is something for you, whether this other
mess ever passes or not.
So, the minute the request of the distinguished Senator from Missouri
to bring that bill up under the terms he requested, which are eminently
reasonable--the minute that bill hits this floor and we spend an hour
and a half debating it, it will be out of here 100-zip.
We cast 23 votes this year. Last year at this time we cast over 90
votes. In short, we are not doing anything, and, in addition to that,
here we are with an opportunity to do something that really amounts to
something and we cannot get that done.
So the Senator from Missouri and I are going to persevere with this.
We are going to get this bill passed one way or the other, because it
makes too much sense not to.
I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Oregon.
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