[Congressional Record Volume 142, Number 28 (Tuesday, March 5, 1996)]
[House]
[Pages H1689-H1697]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]




           THE 104TH CONGRESS PROMISES BRIGHT ECONOMIC FUTURE

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of May 
12, 1995, the gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. FOX] is recognized for 
60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I join with Congressman Foley 
in his astute remarks regarding our need for prayer for the families of 
those who were killed and those who were injured senselessly in Israel 
in recent days and weeks at the hands of the Hamas. We certainly cannot 
tolerate this kind of violence in this country or any other country, 
including Israel, one of our greatest allies in this world.
  I do hope, as Congressman Foley pointed out, our work will continue 
with this country and with Israel to make sure the peace process moves 
forward, and the senseless acts of a few fanatics will not deter us 
from our mission to restore peace to the Middle East. And whatever we 
can do as a country, working together with the White House and our 
President, there is a resolve within this House and within this 
Congress that we do everything and anything we can to make sure that 
peace is brought to that region of the world and that we support Prime 
Minister Peres in his efforts to continue the peace process.
  I have today the opportunity also to introduce legislation which goes 
to much of what the 104th Congress on a bipartisan fashion has been 
working on, and that is to create jobs, have a pro-growth Congress 
which will sustain not only the economic future of America but make 
sure there are better chances for more jobs. That is why I have 
introduced today legislation dealing with creating and providing tax 
credits for investment and research and experimentation. These are pro-
business, pro-people measures which I think will help create the jobs 
and the investment that is important.
  Specifically H.R. 2984 will extend the research tax credit through 
December 1997, expand the definition of start-up firms, allow taxpayers 
to elect an alternative incremental credit process, and treat 80 
percent of research as qualified instead of the 65 percent limit we now 
have. In addition, the 10 percent investment tax credit will be 
reinstated and have the effect of reducing the tax burden on new 
investment, speeding up the growth of the economy, improving 
competitiveness of the U.S. business firms, and laying the foundation 
for a future rise in the United States' standard of living.
  I would ask that the Congressman from Florida [Mr. Foley], and the 
Congressman from California [Mr. Riggs], join me in this special order 
with regard to the kinds of things that we have been trying to do in 
this Congress, in this historic 104th House, to get our fiscal house in 
order.
  I am speaking of balancing the budget, having a line-item veto 
passed, my legislation to sunset review Federal agencies that have 
outlived their usefulness or should be privatized, downsized or 
consolidated, the kinds of things we have done to help businesses by 
having deductibility for health insurance, regulatory review so it is 
easier for businesses to operate. And also our legislation has already 
brought $190 billion in spending reductions and $190 billion in deficit 
reduction.
  So I would ask the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Foley], to tell us 
with regard to the interaction you have had with your constituents in 
Florida, have they discussed with you the benefits they see of having a 
balanced budget, one that would be bipartisan and one that would 
embrace collectively what the White House and the Congress wants with 
regard to our children's future and the country's future and a balanced 
budget.
  Mr. FOLEY. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman from Pennsylvania 
[Mr. Fox] yielding. One of the things

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that I hear from my constituents when I return home is the fact that 
the balanced budget is first and foremost in their minds. They are not 
necessarily interested in what party gets credit, but they want this 
Government to learn to live by the same standards our society imposes 
on the average citizen. Balancing your checkbook, that is normal. I 
mean if you do not, as you know, Mr. Fox, if somebody issues a 
worthless check, it is rejected by the bank.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Right.
  Mr. FOLEY. If you overcharge on your credit card, they will cancel 
your card. If you do not pay your home mortgage, they will foreclose 
your home. But the Federal Government somehow spends $200 plus billion 
a year that they do not have and they call that compassionate and good 
Government.
  Well, they are telling me, ``Mark, seek out a solution. The rhetoric 
needs to stop. We don't want to hear anymore about during the Reagan 
years and the Bush years, those Presidents ran up the budget because 
you know the that Congress is the one with the checkbook, not the 
Presidents.''
  So it is our incumbent responsibility as legislators to focus on 
where the spending is occurring and how we alleviate the spending, and 
I think we have done a yeoman's job of attempting to portray that. You 
know, the other outside influences try to paint us as noncaring, 
wanting to destroy the fiber and safety net of this Nation. But to the 
contrary, when you read some great editorials, I think Mr. Riggs 
referred to one earlier, Mr. Glassman has been great in portraying the 
fact that Republicans are not cutting near what is being accused, 7 
percent growth rate in Medicare, 7.5. All of the programs grow in 
excess of CPI.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, to expand 
on that, people might be listening and saying, some of my colleagues, 
what is the advantage of a balanced budget?
  Well, the advantage, according to Alan Greenspan with the Federal 
Reserve, is by having reduced interest costs it will be easier to 
afford a mortgage, easier to pay for a college loan, easier to pay for 
a car expense. Those kinds of things are in real dollars going to be 
decreased in cost if we can in fact pass a balanced budget, and also 
create about 300,000 new jobs a year. So the overall boost to our 
economy will be terrific.
  Mr. FOLEY. People do not realize the nexus. The Government is out 
bidding for dollars like a private consumer. So while the Government 
drives up interest costs with its ever-excessive appetite for credit, 
it is driving up comparable mortgage costs.
  A plain example by Mr. Greenspan is the fact that with current rates 
at about 7\1/4\ to 7\5/8\ on a 30-year fixed home mortgage, we could 
see those rates decline to 6 percent, maybe below. A 2-percent 
difference in a $100,000 mortgage is $200 in savings in the consumer's 
pockets from interest savings alone, $2,000 per annum, which is about 
$180 per month in the homeowners' pockets to spend on their families, 
vacations, children's savings account, and what have you. So clearly, 
clearly the balanced budget will provide an economic windfall, not only 
for the taxpayers of having to pay fewer dollars into the public 
treasury, but more yield back home in their individual accounts.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, I think it 
is also important to note that frankly this can be done easily if we 
put our heads and minds and hearts into working together. We have seen 
since the beginning of this balanced budget debate that the majority 
side of the aisle has added $440 billion more funding for Medicare, for 
Medicaid, for the environment, for education, and for the earned income 
tax credit.
  So those kinds of cooperative ventures by the Republican side 
certainly have gone without notice in some quarters, but are certainly 
not lost on those of us who are still speaking today in the well of the 
House, because we believe that there can be, in fact in the not too 
distant future, an actual agreement on the balanced budget. The 
President has actually said, under different year points he has talked 
about, we can have a balanced budget in any number of years. I think if 
we can just get to the table and talk about removing gridlock, getting 
away from finger pointing and not worrying about who gets the credit, 
it is amazing how much we can get done.
  Mr. FOLEY. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
  Mr. FOLEY. That is the sad part of the political debate, people need 
credit for everything. We were sent here from around the country, 435 
individuals, 100 Members in the Senate, and the President, Vice 
President, elected by the people of America to lead, not to take 
unnecessary advantage but to solve the people's problems.
  So again, I think we have got to put beyond our debate who eventually 
gets credit for the legislation. It is more important that the American 
public sense a victory here, that the consumer senses a victory.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. I agree.
  Mr. FOLEY. That the public at large senses that Congress is acting 
responsibly, that they are no longer going to send or return Members of 
Congress to this great body just simply because they said, ``Look at 
all that I have done for you, and look at all the bacon and pork that I 
have brought home to our district. Isn't that reason enough to reelect 
me?"
  It is about saying, ``What have you done to reduce the burden on the 
American consumer, reduce the burden on business? What have you done to 
make it easier for us to educate our children?'' I think these are the 
questions in the debate that is going to rage in November, not about 
whose party is right or whose party is wrong. It is about what did you 
personally do as an individual that we sent here to represent our great 
district, to make a difference in America.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I would ask if the gentleman 
from California [Mr. Riggs] would join us in this discussion regarding 
the balanced budget and its benefit to the country. From California, as 
a favorite son, he might want to give us a little bit of his insights 
into what his district believes and what he thinks is appropriate as we 
move forward in this debate.
  Mr. RIGGS. Mr. Speaker, I very much appreciate the gentleman 
yielding, and taking the leadership initiative in organizing this 
special order.
  What I would really like to do is compare the Clinton crunch with the 
balanced budget bonus; that is to say, the benefits to the average 
American family that will result from putting our fiscal house in order 
back here, eliminating deficit spending and balancing the Federal 
budget, versus the present economic predicament that we as a nation 
find ourselves in.
  As both gentlemen will very well remember, the President back on 
January 23 visited our Chamber and stood at this podium right behind me 
to deliver his annual State of the Union Message, and in that speech 
just less than 2 months ago he told us that our economy is the 
healthiest it has been in three decades and he proclaimed the era of 
big government over.
  We have all learned to expect, particularly from this President, some 
fairly outrageous statements. In fact, I think it was Jay Leno that 
pointed that out the other night. I guess we can sort of plagiarize 
from Jay Leno, because once he says it on The Tonight Show, it is out 
there in the public realm.
  Jay Leno said the other night, ``Republicans have the choice of eight 
presidential candidates.'' But then he went on to say, ``But you know, 
the Democrats have much more than eight when you think about it. They 
have got the old Clinton, the new Clinton, the big-government-is-over 
Clinton, the highest-tax-increase-in-history Clinton, and so on.''
  Well, I think when we scrutinize the President's comments, we realize 
that, No. 1, the economy is not by any stretch of the imagination the 
healthiest it has been in three decades. And second, we realize that if 
the President really ended or would join us in ending the era of big 
government, and if he really helped us in turning over Washington power 
to individuals and communities, the American people would not now be 
experiencing the Clinton crunch: higher taxes and stagnant wages.
  The reality behind the President's rhetoric is that in each and every 
year of his presidency, the typical American family has had less income 
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President Clinton took office. Last year alone, the typical family 
earned $790 less than in 1992, according to the Census Bureau. But 
while family incomes have fallen, the family tax burden has risen in 
America and, that is a result obviously of policies adopted by this 
body prior to the Republican Party becoming the majority in Congress, 
and policies that were signed into law by the President during the 
first 2 years of his administration.
  So we have had this Clinton crunch, this double whammy of stagnant 
wages and rising taxation, including payroll taxes rising on the backs 
of American workers. We all remember that back in 1993 the President 
and the liberal House Democrats or liberal congressional Democrats 
enacted the largest tax increase in history, and the result is that the 
typical family now spends 24.5 percent of its income in Federal taxes, 
a greater share of its income than at any other time in America's 
peacetime history. And we will remember, of course, that that Clinton 
democratic tax increase passed the Congress without a single Republican 
vote.

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  When you add up Federal, State, and local taxes, families today are 
paying more than 38 percent of their income in taxes, according to the 
Tax Foundation, and in many families that ultimately means one spouse 
has to work, not to support the family but simply to support the 
government and the burden of taxation.
  So I want to talk a little bit about here over the next few minutes 
again those two factors, falling incomes and rising taxes, and how that 
has created the Clinton crunch versus the bonus that every single 
American family would receive from balancing the Federal budget.
  I appreciate, again, the gentleman organizing this special order.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Reclaiming my time, I appreciate the 
gentleman's remarks. I think that you have been one of the leaders, 
along with the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Foley], in moving ahead in a 
fiscally responsible balanced budget debate and one that embraces, I 
think, what most Americans want, and that is more money in their pocket 
and less money in the Government's pocket, and that makes a big 
difference.
  In addition to having a balanced budget and removing, you know, 
fraud, waste, and abuse from the Government, we are talking about tax 
reform, and that it is what the President campaigned on. He said he 
wanted to give us three things in 1992; he wanted to have a middle-
class tax reform, balanced budget, and he wanted to end welfare as we 
know it. We have sent him three bills, and he has vetoed three of them. 
Hope springs eternal. I still believe in the long run he is going to 
sign bills we in a bipartisan fashion can agree on.
  Mr. RIGGS. There is a certain irony in a new Republican congressional 
majority trying to help a Democratic President make good on his 
fundamental campaign promises. That is exactly the case.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. It shows the cooperation we are giving.
  Mr. RIGGS. That is right. Yet, as the gentleman points out, the 
President campaigned on promises of balancing the Federal budget, 
ending welfare as we know it, as you pointed out, cutting middle-class 
taxes. The middle-class tax cut was the centerpiece of his economic 
plan, which he called Putting People First. He certainly did not make 
good on any of those promises during the first 2 years of his 
administration, when he had a Democratic majority in the Congress to 
work with.
  He has turned around, of course, in this session of Congress, vetoed 
legislation that would accomplish all three of those fundamental 
promises to the American people that we, the Republican majority here 
in the Congress, enacted with very little support from the other side 
of the aisle. There is a certain irony, again, in a Republican majority 
of Congress trying to help a Democratic President make good on his 
fundamental campaign promises.
  Mr. FOLEY. I am anxious if somebody can tell me what is right with 
our welfare system today. For a President to veto what I believe is a 
bipartisan effort to reform a tragic situation that perhaps people in a 
welfare system, with no means of exit, how anybody can defend the 
current status quo and not be seriously concerned about not only the 
future of this Nation but those we pretend to care for is beyond me. I 
go home to the district. I would be interested if the gentleman from 
California [Mr. Riggs] or the gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. Fox] 
have any other indications. When I go home to the district, my 
constituents resoundingly say, ``Mark, help people with the Association 
for Retarded Citizens, help those mentally or physically challenged who 
have not been given the full tools to do what they need to do to 
function in society. But, by God, get healthy, capable, able-bodied 
people out of the welfare rolls and out in the workplace.'' What is 
good about the proposed legislation, not adopted by the President, but 
certainly, hopefully, in the near future will be, under that 
legislation you spoke of, there are some or many good points with it, 
the able-bodied people to be in a job within 5 years, with the Federal 
Government assisting with job training, job counseling, job placement, 
day care, if necessary. That is certainly, in a sense, moving ahead, 
still leaving a safety net for those who are unable to work, or have to 
take care of a child, and increased enforcement by Governors to collect 
child support.
  I always love the example about the State of Maine, where they 
threatened to take away the drivers licenses of those deadbeat dads who 
have not paid child support, but all but 50 out of 21,000 paid within a 
record period of time. This is legislation that is going to make sure 
child support is paid, to make sure food, nutrition programs, frankly, 
we feed more children, we also do so with quality standards that the 
Federal Government is going to enumerate, so I think that, you know, 
the welfare reform we discussed and proposed and passed in the House in 
a bipartisan fashion certainly will, hopefully, come to life again in 
this second session of the 104th Congress.
  Perhaps the gentleman from California [Mr. Riggs] could shed some 
light on why he feels this bill, the revitalized bill, would be 
beneficial, what your take is from California.
  Mr. RIGGS. I appreciate the gentleman yielding to me. He just 
described a version of welfare reform that received the unanimous 
bipartisan endorsement of 45 of the 50 Governors, or Nation's 
Governors, meeting back here in Washington in February.
  You know, I think the President has revealed his true colors on the 
question of welfare reform. Not only has he twice vetoed the welfare 
reform legislation sent to him by the House and the Senate, but he is 
now saying, after initially encouraging this bipartisan group of 
Governors to help us craft a bipartisan compromise, he is now pulling 
the rug out from underneath them. He has indicated through his Cabinet 
Secretary, Secretary of Health and Human Services Shalala, last week 
the administration's disapproval of the unanimous Governors' agreement. 
I just want to again stress how rare unanimity is in American politics 
today. We had 45 of the 50 Nation's Governors meeting back here in 
February. Again, they unanimously supported and endorsed these welfare 
reforms which the President is indicating that he opposes and will 
veto.
  So it is very clear to me that this President, who as a candidate 
promised to end welfare as we know, is not sincere in that promise. He 
would, furthermore, have a real political problem with the far left 
wing of his party if he were to meet us somewhere in the middle in 
trying to craft bipartisan welfare reform legislation.
  So it is very disappointing again to see the President fail to make 
good on one of his fundamental campaign promises from 1992.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. I wanted to reclaim the time because one of 
the other items I thought was very sensitive in the legislation dealing 
with welfare reform, that is, making sure teenage moms who need health 
care, formulas for their children, clothing, under the present program 
they would get cash assistance. Unfortunately, some of those teenage 
mothers frankly do not have the wherewithal to understand we cannot use 
those funds for drugs or alcohol and have been doing so. Under our 
legislation they would get vouchers instead, not for drugs or alcohol 
but vouchers for formula, health care, clothing for the child and the 
baby or child, and frankly this is a

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much more humane way of making sure we take care of those truly in need 
and not waste the money for what it was not intended.
  So, while some may cast that this Congress is being tough, we are not 
being fair in making sure the benefits that those who are in the safety 
net must be saved, and we are going to save them. We do not want people 
milking the system and taking the money, using it for purposes other 
than what was intended.
  Mr. RIGGS. Very clearly we have to reform the welfare system that 
fails too many of our fellow citizens and too often subsidizes 
illegitimacy, really, with our current welfare system, and this 
political constituency of dependency that has been created back here in 
Washington over the last three to four decades created a welfare state, 
if you will, where too many families now find themselves also dependent 
on welfare over several generations, and again that has led to soaring 
rates of illegitimacy and family disintegration in America.
  I think the American people know the welfare system is broke. They 
certainly have every right to expect of us that we will acknowledge the 
problem and attempt to fix it in a bipartisan manner. Again, that is 
exactly what we have done. That is the legislation the President 
vetoed. That is the legislation that is heartily recommended and 
endorsed by 45 of the Governors meeting back here in February.
  Mr. FOLEY. It is not just the public that is upset. I met with a 
young girl, 22 years old, in Belle Glade, FL, in a course sponsored by 
the Private Industry Council to learn to be a nurse. She came up to me 
at a graduation reception, where she had gotten her degree for nursing 
all on her own. She said, ``Mr. Foley, I am 22. I have five children. I 
am not married. The welfare system has encouraged me to stay in the 
welfare system and have babies.'' This is not a made-up story. This is 
an absolute occurrence that happened in my district.
  She said, ``For the first time, the Private Industry Council is 
giving me some hope for my future and for my children. But I am telling 
you it is a tragedy what we do as a Nation to encourage people to have 
additional babies out of wedlock, that they will get additional food 
stamps, AFDC and housing allowances if they simply add another child to 
the roster.'' She said, ``This has got to stop.'' She said, ``I am a 
sad example of what is wrong with the system. I am 22 years old, with 
five kids.'' I was amazed. She said, ``You have got to do everything 
you can to not hurt children, to make sure I or others like me are not 
encouraged to proliferate additional children to the society, knowing 
more money is coming your way.''
  Mr. RIGGS. I think our fellow citizens know the American welfare 
system today too often discourages the very things that we want to 
promote as societal ideals. It is a system that is riddled with 
perverse incentives that discourage working, marriage, savings, 
investment, and that is why it is so important that we reform the 
welfare system.
  If the gentleman would just yield further, because unfortunately I am 
going to have to leave and I want to kind of complete this idea of the 
Clinton crunch versus the balanced budget bonus.
  I want to stress, because I think the gentleman from Florida alluded 
earlier, there is really nothing to be gained, going back and 
revisiting the 1980's. I think if we look at economic policy, fiscal 
policy in the 1980's, there is plenty of blame to go around. We have no 
intention here, as the new Republican majority in Congress, of 
repeating those same mistakes, and that again the perverse notion that 
we could cut taxes and increase spending, which gave us these enormous 
deficits that have ultimately left us with a staggering national debt 
which our kids and grandkids are going to inherit.
  Instead, when we passed the balanced budget, the balanced budget, the 
first balanced budgets in 26 years, the balanced budget the President 
vetoed, we had tax cuts for working families. We believe that it is 
possible to cut Federal spending and cut taxes, and that the 
combination of the two will give the American people a tremendous 
economic dividend, what we call the balanced budget bonus.
  So let me just tell you what every American family would have 
realized had the President signed our balanced budget bill into law, 
the same bill that he instead vetoed. Again, remember that we want 
incomes to go up while taxes go down so that every American family can 
earn more and keep more of what they earn. So here is the balanced 
budget bonus, because I do not think that you will get much 
disagreement here in Washington or across the land. Most economists, 
and I recognize that economists can often be wrong, but I believe this 
is one case where, as Mary Chapin Carpenter said, the stars might lie, 
but the numbers never do, the economists widely agreed the balanced 
budget would have led to a drop in interest rates by as much as 2 
percentage points. That would save the typical American family between 
$1,600 and $1,800 annually on an average home mortgage. It would save 
the typical American family $174 on an average car loan, $216 on the 
average student loan, and if you add to that the $500 per child tax 
credit, a typical family of four, that is, two adult parents and two 
children, that typical family of four would have received a balanced 
budget bonus of $2,990, so let us call it $3,000.
  If I ask you, my colleagues, when was the last time that an American 
family got a $3,000 average bonus, 29 million American families would 
have benefited from our $500 per child tax credit, and nearly 4 million 
American families would have had their entire Federal tax burden 
eliminated? And that is real relief from the Clinton crunch.
  But the President stood in the way of this balanced budget bonus for 
families. He vetoed the balanced budget and tax cuts for families and 
economic growth. Far from feeling our pain, as again he promised back 
in 1992, the President has become the cause of it.
  So I wanted to just remind my colleagues that while President Clinton 
promised a middle-class tax cut when he ran for President, again he 
made that the centerpiece of his economic plan, Putting People First, 
he raised taxes instead.
  So, again, as I said earlier, there is a certain juxtaposition or 
irony in the fact that President Clinton promised a middle-class tax 
cut and Republicans want to deliver one.
  What we got from President Clinton and congressional Democrats, we 
all know now, was the largest tax increase in history. As I mentioned 
earlier, it passed without a single Republican vote.
  Later President Clinton himself admitted that tax increase was a big 
mistake. He actually told an audience of major Democratic Party donors 
in Houston that he realized in hindsight that he had made a mistake by 
raising taxes so high, but then he went on to infer that somehow the 
Republican minority in Congress had forced him to raise taxes. Nothing 
could be further from the truth, because again not a single Republican 
voted for that Clinton Democratic tax increase back in 1993.

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  His tax increase not only raises taxes on the rich, but on the middle 
class, the poor, senior citizens, and American small businesses, which 
are the backbone of our economy. These are the very businesses which 
create most new jobs in America. These are the small and very small 
companies that give us most of our new job creation, most of our 
economic growth in the private sector. These are companies typically 
with 10 or fewer employees accounting for 70 percent of all American 
businesses.
  The President and congressional Democrats like to claim they only 
raised taxes on the rich. But according to the Internal Revenue 
Service, nearly 87 percent of tax returns showing $200,000 or more in 
annual income were filed by small businesses and family businesses. 
These are business owners. Many times these are family businesses, but 
these are business owners who are organized as a partnership or sole 
proprietorship or sole corporation. So when the President talks about 
raising taxes on the rich, he is not talking about General Motors. 
These business taxes most impact that hardware store owner on Main 
Street.
  Second, the President's tax and spend policies have turned a healthy 
economy into an economy that is on the

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verge of recession. More jobs were created in the last 6 months of the 
Bush administration than in the last 6 months of the Clinton 
administration. The economy was growing 3 times faster in President 
Bush's last year in office than it did under President Clinton last 
year. In fact, for the last quarter of 1995, the most recent economic 
statistics, the economy grew barely at all, a growth rate of 0.9 
percent annually, according to the Commerce Department.
  So I go back to my original premise. The failing Clinton economy, 
with its income stagnation and economic insecurity, is the direct 
result of the Clinton-Democratic high tax, big-government policies. We 
have record high taxes, record high spending, excessive regulatory 
costs, and 25 consecutive years of deficit spending that have sucked 
trillions of dollars out of the economy.
  So it is really little wonder that wages are stagnant, because the 
Government got your pay raise. So I believe that unless we reverse 
these policies, the policies that President Clinton and the 
congressional Democrats put in place, there will be no relief from the 
Clinton crunch. They believe, the President and the liberal 
congressional Democrats, believe higher taxes, increased Federal 
spending, and more Federal programs will lead to more and better jobs 
and higher pay.
  We Republicans, on the other hand, believe that lower taxes, less 
government, and a balanced budget are the surest way to more jobs and 
more take-home pay for the average working American.
  So we are working hard back here in Washington, and that is why we 
wanted to take this time to present a special order on the House floor, 
to emphasize we are working hard to reverse the economic effects of the 
Clinton crunch on the average American family and the average American 
worker. We believe again that the right approach is tax cuts for 
families and for economic growth, an end to the excessive regulations 
that stifle wages and increase prices and create a constant drag on 
economic growth and job creation, and a balanced budget, which is just 
terribly important, to make it easier ultimately for American families 
to balance their own budgets.
  So again I thank the gentleman for organizing the special order and 
yielding the time to me.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Thank you, Mr. Riggs, the gentleman from 
California. Your comments were right on when it comes to the fact that 
most citizens want to make sure the raise they get stays in their 
pocket so they can spend it for their family, their community, in the 
ways they have to, and not have big brother, so to speak, take their 
funds and use it and waste it. We have seen a lot of waste.
  Under your proposals, the probusiness, projobs legislation you have 
filed, I am hopeful that Congress will pass it, and not only will your 
district benefit in California, but the whole country will. We 
appreciate your leadership on continuing the dialog and getting the 
legislation adopted.
  I go back to the gentleman from Florida with regard to some issues 
dealing with keeping jobs and making sure that Government is decreased 
in responsible ways. We discussed jointly our interest in having sunset 
review of Federal regulations, which has been introduced in the House, 
and also sunset review of Federal agencies.
  I know that in Pennsylvania we had legislation like that adopted, and 
we were able to sunset agencies that were not doing their job, or 
consolidate them, privatize them, eliminate them, because they were not 
meeting their original mission from 50 to 100 years ago.
  I wanted your thoughts on what you have heard from your Florida 
constituents with regard to properly downsizing those programs which 
have outlived their usefulness.
  Mr. FOLEY. I thank the gentleman for yielding. First of all, I think 
it is important in every level, every walk of life, for a review. When 
you create an agency or commission or a study or a rule, I do not think 
it was ever meant to be perfected in its entirety throughout its 
lifetime. I think in Florida we always would call back a commission or 
authority or issue for a 5-year review, to find out if it is doing what 
it was established to do. Is it operating within the guidelines? Is it 
spending appropriately the public's funds? Obviously that is the No. 1 
component. Are they spending the public resources correctly?
  These are the things I think a sunset review would provide for us. 
Think about it: the Department of Energy established in 1978 under the 
Carter administration because of the fuel crisis, and we were to set 
our thermostats to 78.
  Look at what that agency has become. Now, are we indeed saving energy 
in America? Consumption is up almost in every category. Has it 
fulfilled its usefulness? I do not think there is anything wrong with 
analyzing agency-by-agency on a frequent basis its need, its necessity, 
and cost effectiveness for the consumer.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. If the gentleman would yield, that is 
exactly what we do in private industry. When companies look each year 
or each 5 years to where they are going and where they have been, they 
analyze every department, every single activity, to see whether the 
cost benefit is there, whether they have achieved their original goal, 
and whether there is a way to change.
  Frankly, we can take a page out of business and make Government more 
responsive, giving the people their money's worth, and making sure that 
tax dollars are being spent wisely. Because frankly, some programs are 
best handled by of the private sector.
  You only have to look at Habitat for Humanity and other good 
organizations like that that are community-driven and people-driven 
that do not depend on taxpayer dollars, but rather on sweat equity, and 
the involvement and caring of clergy and community and citizens, in 
making sure that they take abandoned houses and turn them into homes, 
and they really make a difference.
  So we need to be reaching out, applauding, supporting, and 
buttressing the private sector everywhere we can, and making sure we 
realize that not every need is answered by a Federal program, but maybe 
sometimes through a private sector initiative.
  Mr. FOLEY. If the gentleman will yield, you mentioned Habitat for 
Humanity. That is a prime example. People say, when we go looking into 
HUD, that we, the Republicans, are evil, mean-spirited, we do not want 
to provide housing.
  You just mentioned Habitat. In Okeechobee County, the McArthur Dairy 
Foundation deeded over 35 former housing units, single-family homes, to 
the Habitat for Humanity. About 2 weeks ago I went to the dedication of 
a home that a woman and her four children were about to move into. 
Through sweat equity, determination, perseverance, she was now in a 
single-family home, the girls and boys had their own bedrooms, and they 
had a home to call their own, pride of ownership. They worked on it. It 
was their home. It was in the neighborhood. It was not something HUD 
did for them.
  It was not something they were trapped in. Here, this is your rental 
quota and this is what you get every month and you can't move, and this 
is not really your home, it is a rental home and subsidized. You feel 
these constant strings attached by government.
  Habitat has given people the willingness to succeed, to own, to be 
proud of, and to prosper. That is the difference in what our 
philosophies are when we start talking about where we want our Nation 
to go.
  Privatization in Florida: The Department of Commerce is becoming the 
``Enterprise Florida,'' which is made up of large corporations. If 
corporations think it is great to promote the State and its 
opportunities, that is a role for corporations. Not the State or 
Federal treasury to prop up organizations that do not really promote.
  The Commerce Department, you are only lucky enough to get on a 
Commerce trip if you have donated significantly to either a Democratic 
or Republican President. You do not get to go because of a novel or 
unique opportunity or invention.
  So when we talk about downsizing, Mr. Fox, I think we have to be 
very, very aggressive and outline what we hope for the outcomes, that 
we are in fact liberating companies, businesses, individuals, to seek 
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  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. I think that will come with our legislation 
to have sunset review and also working with Congressman Mica in 
regulatory review, because many times I have seen where we have had 
Federal regulations introduced, there are already State agencies that 
do that. So there is no reason to have duplicative legislation, which 
puts a further burden on business, and we put a further burden on 
business that is already being covered, the safety hazard has been 
addressed. Why should we put the further burden on business to do more 
forms that do not help safety, but add to the cost of a product and 
therefore make it more difficult to hire.
  Mr. FOLEY. Think with about your own family. When you are planning 
something for your future, I am certain you and Judy sit down and go 
over the pros and cons of a situation, you review where you are 
currently, where you hope to be, but you do it through a deliberative 
fashion. In Government it is we who have set it up, we have done our 
job, let us leave it alone and forget it. And that I think is a 
significant problem, because there is no oversight, no checking up on 
the kind of initiatives that were proposed and whether they yield any 
benefits.
  So sunset review, your initiative to push and pursue this 
legislation, it is vitally important for Congress to become more 
efficient and effective.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. I want to change gears if I could to go back 
to something I heard you speak about on the House floor recently, and I 
helped vote and work for the bill that you introduced to save the 
Everglades. While the Everglades are not in my part of the country in 
the sense it is not in Pennsylvania, we, who have to be stewards of the 
environment and conservation for future generations, have to look at 
the country as a totality and try to help and make sure we preserve 
natural areas. So I have to applaud you for your leadership in having 
your legislation adopted, which will in fact make sure the Everglades 
are maintained in their present form.
  You might tell me further illustratively what was due to happen with 
regard to the Everglades for which we had the legislation come up to 
begin with?
  Mr. FOLEY. As everyone knows that follows the environment and 
particularly the Everglades, because of growth, 5 million population in 
south Florida, 41 million visitors to our State last year from 
Pennsylvania, New York, and all throughout the great 50 States and 
throughout the entire continent and the globe, visited our State, and 
obviously that impact has greatly affected the water quantity and 
quality going into the Everglades.
  The Everglades is one of the motion unique National Forest Park water 
systems, and one we are all immensely proud of. What we are doing with 
the $210 million appropriated last week is acquiring additional lands 
to buffer the Everglades, almost acting like a kidney in a body, to 
filter the water as it comes through these areas, and then taking the 
nutrients or phosphorus contents away and allowing cleaner water to 
flow into the Everglades and the Florida Bay.
  It is vitally important for the sustaining of life. No human life, no 
plant life, no animal, can survive without water. So basically this is 
a step in the right direction of helping the Everglades.
  But what I wanted to fundamentally point out, and you mentioned Mr. 
Mica from Florida. Mr. Mica stated very clearly in a press account that 
the Republicans are not against the environment. Clearly by their vote 
for this $210 million, we have stepped up to the plate of committing 
Federal resources to a vital, national interest park.
  But what we are tired of spending our money on is study after study, 
report after report, consultants, lawyers and others, giving us ideas 
that are never carried out. Here we have for the first time dollars 
allocated to the project for actual construction and work, for 
something we can go back and talk about tangibly, as a result of 
Federal action rather than inaction.
  So one of the things that I want to stress when we talk about the 
environment is that we are not antienvironment. The Speaker of the 
House came to the floor and spoke of the Everglades, announced we had 
to do this, the time had arrived for us to work together collectively 
for the Everglades. It is about making certain that the monies we are 
appropriating actually end up in the critical areas that need our 
attention.
  So that is why I was proud. You marshalled the troops from 
Pennsylvania and your northeast corridor, because, again, as you 
clearly stated, this is not a Pennsylvania issue, but it is a national 
issue. It proves for all that enjoy the vast wonders of our continent, 
the Grand Canyon, you name the desert, the parks, the Allegheny 
Forests, all of the things we enjoy together as a nation, our pursuit 
of the preservation of those national resources should be first and 
foremost on our minds. Not whether we are getting rated on a vote, this 
is a good environmental vote or what have you. It is about are the 
dollars we are spending as a nation being applied effectively to 
solving problems.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. With regard to Florida generally, is there a 
conservation board within the State with which you work?
  Mr. FOLEY. Actually there are a number of things. We have a number of 
initiatives. We have the Preservation 2,000 fund, the Carl Land 
programs, we have obviously the Audubon, Everglades National Park, a 
number of different groups that are very intricately involved in the 
process. South Florida Water Management, Corps of Engineers, Fish and 
Wildlife, all are looking for solutions.
  That is another thing that I think is important, is to look at the 
broad opportunities we have as a nation to solicit input from a variety 
of groups. Not any one individual or group has the right answer for any 
given question of the day. It is seeking compromise, seeking consensus, 
and getting the agencies all together in the same room and saying we 
have a common mission, we have a common problem. Let us solve it with a 
common solution, rather than 100 different solutions that end up not 
getting the problem addressed.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. I am sure your colleagues would want to have 
updates on a regular basis of what is happening with the Everglades, 
and it will be important to the body.
  Mr. FOLEY. It is essential they be forthcoming, because after I have 
asked for that commitment of resources, that is the largest single 
appropriation ever in our Federal history toward the Everglades, the 
dollar amount. Two hundred was allocated by the Senate, Mr. Dole 
specifically, and Senators Mack and Graham, both Florida members 
Democrat and Republican, led the initiative in the Senate. Of course, 
we had a bipartisan coalition in the House. I think they deserve the 
followup to that expenditure, to see that the dollars they spend in 
fact are working. I know they will.

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  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. You know when we talk about the environment; 
you know Earth Day is coming up in April; it occurs to me that for us 
to continue the environmental movement started some years ago and to 
carry on the issues that Major Carson, an environmental leader, started 
in the years before that by other conservationists, I am wondering 
whether we are doing enough to inform, educate, and inspire youth to go 
into fields that deal with conservation, that deal with community 
participation, even if it is not going to be a profession, in those 
areas of environmental preservation, and whether you had thought about 
programs in your district and for the country which would accentuate 
that and would promote it.
  Mr. FOLEY. Yes, I spoke to Forestdale High School yesterday, and they 
have a class, an actual magnet program, on environmental studies. It is 
the youth of the community working in a classroom setting, learning 
about the environment.
  Again, one of the things that I want to stress, too, is the fact that 
one of my concerns with the government is the fact that we do have so 
many agencies doing similar functions with different agendas and 
different mandates. I think the young people need to get involved and 
look at the practical applications of environmental sciences because 
there is a cause and effect. I have always suggested that farming and 
the environment can coexist with the right guidelines and the right 
tools. I think it is important that we train our young people to 
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preserving our Earth and also to consider all of the other aspects of 
how can a business coexist with an environmental movement and not look 
at them as enemies. And ofttimes you try to draw lines, if you are for 
business, you are against the environment; if you are for the 
environment, you are against business; and I think we have clearly 
indicated with our cooperation with the gentleman from New York [Mr. 
Boehlert] and others to try and make that connection that we can make 
it happen.
  The EPA has a tremendous program in Louisiana, which is a fast-track 
approach to permitting. They are doing a good job, and I will commend 
them for that. It is a leadership environmental movement within the 
EPA, but they actually work hand and hand with business, they get 
together with them and get their executives on board early so they can 
streamline the permitting process and in fact encourage that dialog so, 
No. 1, the company's resources are not expended unnecessarily. It is a 
cooperative effort, so you got both sides working for harmonious 
relationships, and the reports from both the corporation and from the 
EPA were a resounding success.
  There are things in our Government that I think we need to work on to 
exemplify and highlight so the public says, you know, these people are 
serious about helping the environment, but they are not just going to 
sit there and throw billions of dollars at it and say now we feel good 
in our conscience because we have spent money and that should solve 
everyone's problems.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. If the gentleman would yield, what you say 
about fast tracking we see in Pennsylvania under the leadership of our 
new Governor, Tom Ridge, who was a former member of this body, where he 
has taken a leadership role on restructuring our State Department of 
Environmental Resources such that fast tracking for permitting and 
working with industry and the environmentalists is taking place. That 
cooperative role where government is becoming user friendly is what 
Governor Ridge of Pennsylvania is all about, and I think that is going 
to go a long way, hopefully, toward getting government more responsive 
to people's needs.
  Speaking of being responsive, I wanted to highlight one of the 
legislative initiatives that you and the gentleman from Idaho, Mr. 
Crapo, have worked on, and that is the lockbox for savings deficit 
reduction, and remember there is an interesting story you had in 
committee where you were able to reduce a budget item that you felt was 
wasteful only to find that the funds taken from one wasteful item was 
given to another pet project for someone else's district, and I believe 
that your lockbox legislation with Congressman Crapo will in fact 
ameliorate that problem, and if you can outline that further for our 
colleagues, I would appreciate it.
  Mr. FOLEY. Just a quick summary for those listening:
  I went to an authorizing committee of the Committee on Science and 
withdrew an amendment for 25 million of spending. I had not a 
unanimous, but a majority support for the cancellation of this wasteful 
spending, 25 million. It turns out a day later one of my colleagues 
found the 25 million that I cut and immediately inserted it into 
another program.
  Now, I would work very, very hard in order to save the taxpayers 25 
million. In this process everybody says, ``Oh, Mark, 25 million, that's 
no money. You're not talking serious dollars. That's a nickel and 
dime.'' And I thought to myself never let me think that 25 million is 
not significant money. But they went and put the 25 million on another 
project.
  Well, at that time I heard about Mr. Crapo's lockbox, which is a 
phenomenal technique meaning I could cut that 25 million, but before it 
goes anywhere I designate it to the lockbox. That means just like a 
Christmas club account, or a savings account, or a travel account that 
a family sets up. That money is earmarked for deficit reduction only. 
So basically the mechanism would take the 25 million, put it in the 
expense account but, more importantly reduce the appropriations 
authorized for that committee by a like amount so no longer would they 
have the wherewithal to bump up other projects since you save money, 
and that is critical in order to bring the deficit down.
  If we do not establish some mechanism for savings where a Member can 
actually not only take credit for wasteful spending, but can take 
credit for deficit reduction, then all of our work and efforts is for 
naught because you start competing against regions and areas.

  The 25 million was important to certain districts, they were upset, 
but bottom line: everybody recognized it for what it was, a wasteful 
spending. But if we do not have a mechanism by which to save those 
dollars, to put them aside and to reduce the Federal deficit, this 
Nation will never achieve any fiscal sanity.
  So the lockbox is critical. We are working to get it into House 
legislation overall and to get the Senate to adopt it, and thereby, if 
a Fox amendment is offered to reduce spending in a unwarranted project, 
if it reaches the majority consensus that the spending is unwarranted 
and that it should be in a lockbox, we can achieve those victories one 
at a time. With a $1.6 trillion budget we have got a long way to go 
based on $1.4 trillion of income and the rest excess spending, we have 
got a long way to go to reduce our Federal dependency on dollars and to 
wean us off of a natural addiction toward spending.
  Lockbox is the only answer that I have found in all of my budgetary 
pursuits that works, and the gentleman from Idaho [Mr. Crapo] is to be 
commended, as are other Members, the gentleman from Oklahoma [Mr. 
Largent], yourself, the gentlewoman from North Carolina [Mrs. Myrick], 
a number of people that stood up and fought for this initiative, and we 
do not want to see that initiative lost in this Congress.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. I appreciate your leadership in that and 
others in moving forward on it. I know that we can achieve, as far as I 
am concerned, the balanced budget that we talked about at the top of 
this hour if we continue making sure that we find the common ground, 
that we work overtime in making sure that the issues that we hold so 
dear, whether it be Medicare, Medicaid, environment, education; those 
are not just one party's issues or one branch of the Government's 
issues. They are everyone's issues, and we are working on them as well 
as anyone else is, and on Medicare I might say I think we have made 
some real progress. When the original debate started out on Medicare, 
we only learned this past April that in fact the President's trustees 
told us there was going to be a shortfall, Medicare would be out of 
business in 7 years.
  So I think we have done the bipartisan, correct thing in advancing 
legislation which will in fact make sure that Medicare is preserved, 
protected, and extended, but doing it; the way we take care of the 
problem I think is legislation that is going to eliminate the fraud, 
abuse and waste. I was amazed to find; I do not know if you were; that 
there is $30 billion a year now wasted in fraudulent, inflated claims 
and billing for services not rendered by providers, and I do not know 
if you have researched that as well and found that to be the case.
  Mr. FOLEY. Well, that is what we know about. I mean the problem with 
Medicare, the fraud and abuse that is being perpetrated on the 
taxpayers is so pervasive and so difficult to track that I think in my 
heart if we merely went after that with the full force and weight of 
the Federal Government and put the resources behind it we would 
probably save enough to hopefully balance not only Medicare, but lead 
us to a balanced budget in our Nation. There is a lot of waste and 
fraud. But I will tell you one thing about Medicare because there is a 
hue and a cry by the other side of shame on you, and GOP stands for get 
old people, and you are destroying Medicare.
  When I went to the district, and I am the first among freshmen 
Congressmen with the largest number of Medicare recipients I am No. 7 
in the Nation of all Members of Congress with the most Medicare 
recipients, we would have often 150 to 200 people attend the hearings, 
and when I explain the program, stay in traditional Medicare, do not 
change premiums, stay the same, no different than they would have been, 
they become more comfortable, they find that they can go to a managed 
care physician, care network or a medical savings account more and more 
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product that they do not like, the following year they can disenroll in 
that and reenroll in something else or go back to traditional Medicare, 
and the options and ranges of options created in the plan do not deny 
benefits, in fact encourage opportunities for seniors.
  One person at a town hall meeting said, ``You know, I like 
chiropractic care and it is not covered under Medicare; why not?'' I 
said, well, in the medical savings account you could make that 
discretionary choice with the moneys we provide in your account to 
spend on the health care you think best suits your appropriate 
condition, 7.5-percent increase. I mean, everything, when I finished 
the hearings I did not get but one or two persons still disapproving, 
and often that was more of a partisan than it was a practical 
disagreement.
  What they were saying was you know you have comforted me knowing, 
first of all, it is not going out of business if you get your bill 
enacted. Second, choices. Third, competition. Fourth, we are not 
creating a new commission for fraud, waste and abuse; it stays with 
Donna Shalala, it stays with HHS. We are getting a hotline and 
increased enforcement in penalties, but the Medicare bill for the first 
time provides a road map for our system to make certain that seniors, 
ourselves included some day when we make that golden year, are in fact 
provided for, not a Band-aid, not a political let us ignore it until it 
really becomes a crisis. Let us look at it now strategically and make 
certain Medicare is something we can all be proud of in the year 2010, 
2020, and beyond.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. What is interesting is the President and the 
First Lady a couple a years ago said the way to solve the Medicare 
crisis is to make sure we control the rate of growth, and that is 
exactly what the majority proposal was and is, so hopefully we can work 
together with the White House, and both sides of the aisle and both 
Chambers, the House and Senate, to make sure we save Medicare for our 
seniors. We want that quality health care to be there for them and to 
make sure it is a system that is not just going to stop in the year 
2002.

  Mr. FOLEY. One other item, line-item veto. That seems to be a 
significant legislative initiative passed by this body. I hope we are 
going to be able to flush that out and get it passed by the Senate and 
onto the President for his signature.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Well, we passed a version early on in the 
104th Congress, first session. The Senate passed a slightly different 
version. But I am hopeful that this bill will get to the President and 
a compromise version after the conferees have met because line-item 
veto like 43 Governors have in the country, the chance to eliminate 
waste, fraud, and abuse, that exists. My own Governor, Governor Ridge, 
has a chance in Pennsylvania to eliminate those programs that are just 
pork barrel, just in there for one Representative or Senator and not 
really there to have permanent, long-term value for our Nation. And the 
line-item veto is an idea whose time has certainly arrived.
  Mr. FOLEY. Well, if you think about the debate that can occur, and 
when people say line-item veto, what power does that give the 
President? Well, just like you mentioned with your Governor, they can 
strike through the appropriation as wasteful pork spending without 
having to veto an entire bill. But the safeguard for Congress is if a 
President, and a lot of people say, well, they can take retribution 
against a Member. If the President does not like Congressman Foley, he 
can strike out all of his projects. Well, if my projects are so good, I 
can go back to the floor after the veto and defend them among my 
colleagues and get an override within the next couple of days to 
restore the project.
  So I do not sense this disastrous consequence of a line-item veto. In 
fact, I sense that there could be a bigger opportunity for us to really 
tighten the rein of Government, and give the President an active hand 
in budgetary negotiations, and in fact strike through some of these 
things you read about, these studies, asparagus studies, or, you know, 
this and that study, none of which lead to any better prosperity for 
anyone that has a response to the study. It is just another give-back 
to communities, a little pork barrel spending that I think has to stop. 
Line-item veto is the only mechanism in which to do that.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. And with two other programs which have been 
adopted, that one is soon to be signed by the President hopefully, as 
soon as the compromise version is agreed to, but two other bills I 
think of note that this 104th Congress has passed and the President has 
signed, one would be the accountability law which says all the laws we 
pass are now also applied to the Congress. Prior Congresses said, well, 
the fair labor standards, civil rights law, family leave does not apply 
to our employees.
  Now, how can we in heavens understand the bills if they do not affect 
us too? Well, now those laws do apply to us, and we, as well, passed 
legislation dealing with unfunded mandates, local government, State 
government. We are all told by prior Congresses, well, look, we are 
going to send you this bill, you are going to have to do it. If it 
costs money? That is too bad, we are not sending you any.
  Well, this new Congress has said, and the President agreed and signed 
the bill, saying no more unfunded mandates. If we think it is such a 
good idea, then we are going to send the money back to local districts 
so we do not bankrupt townships and towns and burroughs and villages 
just because we think here in Congress it is such a good idea.
  Mr. FOLEY. If the gentleman would yield, if you can imagine how in 
name the process is that allows the memberships to pass bills onto 
other people and not have them impact their own lives or their own 
offices.
  When I first toured the Capitol complex after being elected, I go to 
many offices looking for which one I may potentially select in the 
draw, and in front of every door that had, you know, the exits out into 
the hallways were books and computers and desks blocking the exists. 
There was generally in most offices one exit remaining open.
  Now in a business, OSHA, the fire marshall, everyone would have cited 
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  Here in Congress they can do whatever they want, clog up the offices, 
junk everywhere, and they consider that fair.
  Civil rights laws, fair labor standards, all the things that we 
impose on small businesses, Members of Congress sat back and said, 
``Oh, no, but I am holier than thou. I do not need to enforce those 
laws on ourselves, because we are in fact the Congress. We are the 
superior body of mankind.'' I think it was that attitude that got this 
Congress into such trouble.
  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I think the gentleman from 
Pennsylvania [Mr. Weldon] would be glad to know that we will now have a 
change in that, as the person who started the firefighters' caucus in 
the Capitol. I am sure he will take the initiative to work with the 
appropriate authority to change that.
  It is also interesting to note that we have taken not only reform 
measures when it comes to fiscal responsibility, but we have changed 
how we run the institution. We have one-third less committee staff. We 
have in fact also made sure that the pensions that Members receive are 
now not special, they are the same as any other Federal employee. We 
have eliminated the right of lobbyists to give us gifts. Our 
constituents do not get gifts, except at holiday time and birthdays. 
Why should we have anything special as well? We also have passed 
lobbying disclosure, and campaign reform is in the offing, very shortly 
to be passed. There are several good bills out there, I think, to make 
campaign reform a reality.
  So this Congress is different. We are getting our fiscal house in 
order with a line item veto, with a balanced budget, stopping the 
unfunded mandates. But the reforms of the Congress itself have also 
come about when it comes to how we operate the institution. Hopefully 
that will continue as we move forward.
  Mr. FOLEY. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will continue to yield a 
final moment, I want to thank him very much. I thank him for this 
excellent opportunity to portray the things we are trying to do, to 
balance the budget, and for his leadership on a number of issues.

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  Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. I thank the gentleman, Mr. Speaker. I 
appreciate the opportunity to address the House and my colleagues.


                                 RECESS

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. (Mr. Rogers). Pursuant to clause 12 of rule 
I, the Chair declares the House in recess until approximately 3 p.m.
  Accordingly (at 2 o'clock and 15 minutes p.m.), the House stood in 
recess until approximately 3 p.m.

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