[Congressional Record Volume 141, Number 182 (Thursday, November 16, 1995)]
[House]
[Pages H13041-H13042]
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                             POINT OF ORDER

  Mr. KINGSTON. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Inglis of South Carolina). The gentleman 
will suspend. The gentleman makes a point of order.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Why is the Speaker going forward? Because 
he is angry about his treatment.
  Mr. KINGSTON. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will suspend. The gentleman 
from California will suspend.
  Mr. MILLER of California. I have 1 minute to speak.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will suspend.
  Mr. MILLER of California. He is upset.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will suspend.
  For what purpose does the gentleman from Georgia rise?
  Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, point of order. Was it not the opinion of 
the Chair that the chart in the gentleman's hand is out of order?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman is correct.
  Mr. DOGGETT. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
  Mr. MILLER of California. May I be heard on the point of order?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will suspend.
  Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, since it is obvious the Democrat Party 
does not want to play by the rules of the House, would it not be in 
order to remove the chart from the floor?
  Mr. MILLER of California. If I may be heard on the point of order.
  Mr. DOGGETT. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I would like to state my 
point of order.
  Mr. MILLER of California. The point of order----
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will suspend. The gentleman 
from California may be heard on the point of order.
  Mr. MILLER of California. The point of order, I believe, is to 
suggest what, that I am holding the cover of the front page of the New 
York Daily News?
  Mr. KINGSTON. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. He is trying to debate. My 
point of order and question to the Chair was: Should not that chart be 
removed from the Chamber, since the Democrats obviously do not have the 
self-discipline to follow the rules of the House?
  Mr. MILLER of California. On the point of order, Mr. Speaker, this 
chart is in order under the House rules because this chart provides and 
has provided to 800,000 New Yorkers the explanation of why the Speaker 
shut down the Government.
  Mr. DOGGETT. Point of order, Mr. Speaker; point of order, Mr. 
Speaker.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair is prepared to rule on the point 
of order.
  All Members should not use charts that are demeaning to other 
Members, in order to preserve the decorum of the House.
  Mr. DOGGETT. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, parliamentary inquiry. When 
we had a previous objection----
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will suspend. The gentleman 
from Texas was on his feet first.
  Mr. DOGGETT. Mr. Speaker, under the rules of the House, if the 
gentleman or any of the other gentleman of the majority wish to object 
to this chart, instead of continuing to interrupt our speakers who use 
it, the proper approach under the rules is to state an objection. Then 
we can have a vote on it in the House, and I raise a point of order 
against these continued obstructions of the orderly debate and ask them 
to state their objection, if that is what they want, and get a ruling 
from the Chair.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Texas will suspend.
  The Chair is prepared to rule. The Chair ruled in this case on the 
point of order that the chart was not in order because it was demeaning 
to another Member, the Speaker.
  Mr. DOGGETT. You have ruled it is out of order? Are you directing us 
to remove it from the floor?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. That is correct.
  Mr. DOGGETT. Then I ask for a vote on that.
  Mr. Speaker, I appeal the ruling of the Chair. I appeal the ruling of 
the Chair that the chart of the front page of the Daily News is out of 
order.
  Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I move to table the motion.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question, first, is, shall the decision 
of the Chair stand as the judgment of the House?
  The gentleman from Georgia moves to lay the appeal on the table.
  The question is on the motion to table offered by the gentleman from 
Georgia [Mr. Kingston].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Mr. HOKE. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a 
quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not 
present.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. On that, I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 231, 
nays 173, not voting 28, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 803]

                               YEAS--231

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Gordon
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hoyer
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Portman
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

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                               NAYS--173

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fazio
     Filner
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Jackson-Lee
     Jefferson
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Ward
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--28

     Becerra
     Clay
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Cox
     Crane
     Dixon
     Dornan
     Fattah
     Fields (LA)
     Fields (TX)
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kleczka
     Lofgren
     McCrery
     Porter
     Riggs
     Shadegg
     Sisisky
     Smith (NJ)
     Spratt
     Torres
     Tucker
     Volkmer
     Waters
     Weldon (PA)
     Wilson
     Wise

                              {time}  1055

  Mr. OBERSTAR and Mr. POSHARD changed their vote from ``yea'' to 
``nay''.
  So the motion to table the appeal of the ruling of the Chair was 
agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.

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