[Congressional Record Volume 141, Number 113 (Thursday, July 13, 1995)]
[House]
[Pages H6925-H6929]
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                ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Ewing). Members are reminded they should 
refer to each other by State.
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished 
gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Gunderson].
  (Mr. GUNDERSON asked and was given permission to revise and extend 
his remarks.)
  Mr. GUNDERSON. Mr. Speaker, I come to the floor today as one of those 
Republicans who has consistently supported the arts and the National 
Endowment for the Arts. I happen to believe that in an increasingly 
intolerant and polarized society, the arts are playing an increasingly 
important role, not a diminished role. And what this Congress is doing 
has some long-term risks for American society.
  Interestingly enough, when I opened my mail this morning, I had a 
letter from a constituent where she said, ``In spite of the openly 
expressed hostilities to the arts by this Congress, I still urge you to 
consider reauthorizing the NEA, at least to give it and the arts world 
a chance to reorganize their means of funding and setting of artistic 
priorities.''
  We are here this morning for a couple of reasons. We are here because 
some of my friends on the Democratic side last night decided it was 
more important to kill the rule than to preserve a point of order 
against the NEA. That is your choice, and I understand that.
  We are also here, unfortunately, because I think the arts community 
still does not get it. They are convinced that business as usual will 
survive. So if we get anything out of this today, I hope we get a 
clarion call to the arts community that business as usual will no 
longer survive and that we have got a few precious months in order to 
get an authorization bill that will allow this funding to go forward 
for fiscal year 1996, but, more importantly, to include a provision 
that would begin to create the kind of private endowment that would 
allow the privatization of the National Endowment for the Arts and the 
continued Federal commitment to the arts, albeit one without regular 
annual appropriations of the American taxpayer dollars.
                              {time}  1100

  Mr. Speaker, this is not going to be easy. If we want to come even 
close to the $167 million we presently appropriation, we would need 
well over a $1 billion endowment. We cannot get there from here in 2 
years. I want everyone to understand that. That is why I am not all 
that excited by the discussions and the tentative understanding of the 
agreement in the House among many of our parties, including myself, 
last night. However, I would suggest to my colleagues that this is a 
start, and we ought to use the weeks and months ahead to make sure we 
save the mission so many of us believe in.
  Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the distinguished 
gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey].
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, before I comment on the pending rule, I do 
want to make a few comments that are, I think, required by conscience. 
I hope the House will indulge me. The gentleman from Maryland [Mr. 
Hoyer] earlier indicated that yesterday we saw Bosnian Serb military 
forces in essence commit war crimes in places like Potocari and 
Srebrenica.
  Mr. Speaker, I have one simple message for Gen. Ratko Mladic and his 
associates among the Bosnian Serbian leadership. It is a four-part 
message. You are sick pigs. You are sick pigs. You are an embarrassment 
to the human race. If the world has any conscience, you will one day be 
where you belong, in prison, rather than disgracing the military 
uniform that you wear.
  Having said that, Mr. Speaker, I would now like to move on to the 
matter before us. This rule is really, in many ways, worse than the 
rule before us last night. It still violates normal House rules in 
order to allow a continued onslaught on environmental protection and 
reversal of environmental progress made by previous Congresses.
  The bill, as has been mentioned by the gentleman from California [Mr. 
Miller] permits giving away
 Bureau of Mine facilities. The bill repeals the Outer Banks Protection 
Act of 1990. The bill includes Columbia River basin ecoregion 
assessment restrictions and directions which should not be in this 
bill. The bill reverses the progress that this Congress made last year 
in establishing the California Desert Act. In general, it contains many 
legislative provisions that should not be in a spending bill.

  It also establishes a distinction between the arts and other 
unauthorized legislation which I think is both primitive and unfair. 
What is going on is simply this: The extreme conservatives on the 
Republican side of the aisle last night used their leverage which they 
had on the rule to try to further disadvantage the possibility for 
future funding for the arts.
  I would say to our Republican moderate friends who claim to be 
supporters of the arts that they can stop this onslaught on the arts by 
voting against this rule, and insisting that the arts be treated 
precisely the same as other unauthorized programs in this bill. That is 
all they have to do. That is all they have to do.
  They can then bring a bill to the floor which will allow us to have 
the normal debates on all of these programs without creating a special 
disadvantage for a tiny little program which has fallen victim both to 
the extremists of the right and to some of the extreme artists, that 
very tiny, uncivilized minority, who have, because of their 
thoughtlessness and their stupidity, allowed the enemies of arts 
funding to attack the entire program the Maplethorpes of this world, if 
you want, being joined in their extremism by the extremists on the 
other side, who together want to savage a program which is meant to 
increase the civility of this society by just a little bit.
  Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I would urge Members to vote against this 
rule one more time, send it back to the Committee on Rules. The 
Committee on Rules can do it right. It does not have to continue the 
onslaught on environmental legislation. It does not have to play this 
double standard game. We can pass a bill which is far more balanced and 
a product that is better than the one before us.
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
Vermont [Mr. Sanders].
  Mr. SANDERS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to 
me.
  Mr. Speaker, the rule that we have before us could very well begin 
the process of ending the funding for the National Endowment for the 
Arts. I 

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stand in complete opposition to the rule and to the bill.
  Mr. Speaker, let us get our priorities straight and let us try to 
understand what this country is supposed to stand for. Art and culture 
are a vital part of human existence. The opportunity to enjoy the arts, 
to enjoy culture, must be open to all of our people, and not just those 
who can afford $100 for a concert ticket.
  Mr. Speaker, the United States spends only 64 cents per person to 
support the arts endowment, 64 cents, 50 times less than our major 
allies. In contrast, we spend over $1,000 per person on the military, 
far more than our allies. Why is it that this Congress can lower taxes 
on the wealthiest people in America, do away with taxes for the largest 
corporations in America, but eliminate programs which bring art and 
culture into classrooms in the State of Vermont and all over this 
country? Why is it that this Congress can pour billions of dollars more 
into B-2 bombers that the Pentagon tells us that do not need, but we 
cut back on funding for symphony orchestras and threater groups all 
over America?
  Mr. Speaker, I would remind our colleagues that one B-2 bomber costs 
$1.5 billion, 10 times the entire allocation for the National Endowment 
for the Arts. The entire endowment is 10 percent of one B-2 bomber, a 
B-2 bomber that the Pentagon tells us they do not need.
  Mr. Speaker, where are our priorities? Let us speak up for the kids 
in this country. Let us speak up for all of the people who appreciate 
the arts, who appreciate culture. Let us defeat this rule.
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the 
gentleman from the great State of Ohio [Mr. Regula], my great friend, 
and distinguished chairman of the Subcommittee on Interior of the 
Committee on Appropriations.
  Mr. REGULA. I thank the gentlewoman from the great State of Ohio. I 
want to commend the Committee on Rules for trying to bring out a 
balanced rule, recognizing there are a great number of differences of 
opinion as to how we should address this.
  Mr. Speaker, I would urge all the Members to support this rule. I 
recognize that because we had to take over a 10 percent cut, we cannot 
do everything that people would like to do. Nevertheless, we have done 
the best we could. We have been fair. I think it is a balanced bill, 
and I would certainly urge Members to support the rule so we can get on 
with the business.
  Mr. Speaker, we have to keep in mind that the budget resolution has 
been adopted by both houses. This bill is responsive to that. I think 
it represents a commonsense addressing of that.
  Mr. Speaker, we mentioned volunteers earlier. We will get into this 
more in general debate, but I would point out that there are a couple 
hundred thousand volunteers, and they will continue to be there in all 
the agencies of Interior. We can talk about that more later.
  Let me say to the Members, my colleagues, that I know all of them are 
anxious to get out today. If we work at this with goodwill on both 
sides, I think there will be plenty of opportunity to debate the 
fundamental policy questions.
  Under the Constitution we are charged with the responsibility to make 
policy for the people of the United States. It is the responsibility of 
the President and his team to execute that policy. There will be a 
number of amendments here that represent policy issues. Some I may 
agree with, some I may not. That is why we have votes.
  As I said earlier, Mr. Speaker, if we all work at it and take a 
goodwill approach, we can get out of here at a decent time and finish 
this bill. I am not going to take more time. I will not take a lot of 
time in general debate. I know we are all anxious to get ahead.
  One last comment. That is that this is an appropriations bill. We do 
not do the authorizing. We communicated with the authorities as much as 
possible, and anything that is in here represents a consensus with 
authorizing committees in the House. However, basically, it is a bill 
to determine how much we are going to spend on the programs that have 
been established by the authorizing committees.
  There will be an opportunity to vote on every dollar that is in the 
bill. People can offer amendments to cut or add to, and these will be 
subject to a vote. So as the chairman of the Committee on Rules said 
earlier, it is really an open rule. All the Members will have an 
opportunity through their votes to establish what they think are 
responsible policies for the administration of the public lands of this 
Nation: about one-third of the United States; it is owned by the people 
of this country, along with energy policies; along with policies 
affecting the Bureau of Indian Affairs, our responsibility to the 
native Americans; and a number of others. I think it is a perfect 
example of how our democracy should work.
  We are representatives of the people. That is our title. We will have 
an opportunity to take care of that role today on the amendments and on 
the bill itself. I urge the Members to support the rule so we can get 
on with this and finish it in a timely hour today.
  Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may 
consume.
  Mr. Speaker, since the rule itself executes a provision relating to 
the NEA appropriations level, I wonder if at this point I might ask the 
gentlewoman from Ohio, or perhaps through her, either the gentleman 
from Ohio or the distinguished chairman of the Committee on Rules, if 
it is her understanding that the self-executing provision in the rule 
will permit the appropriation of some amount of funding for the NEA, 
regardless of the level of funding provided in the authorization bill.
  In other words, if the authorization bill provides less than the $99 
million contained in this appropriations bill, will that lower 
authorized amount be appropriated, or will the funding for NEA be 
appropriated only if the authorization bill also provides for an 
appropriation of $99 million, the exact amount provided in this bill?
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. BEILENSON. I yield to the gentlewoman from Ohio.
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, I believe we have had a ruling from the 
Parliamentarian.
  Mr. BEILENSON. I yield to my colleague, the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. 
Regula].
  Mr. REGULA. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding from the Parliamentarian that the 
authorizing bill would have to conform to the appropriation bill in the 
exact amount, and otherwise, it would eliminate the appropriation 
totally, so I think it is important that in coming with an authorizing 
bill, that it be consistent with what we are appropriating in this 
bill.
  Mr. BEILENSON. I thank the gentleman for his response. I think it is 
different from the understanding we had last night and the arrangement 
you folks on that side of the aisle worked out. In other words, if the 
authorizing bill provides for any amount less than the $99 million, 
even if it is $97 million, that amount would not be appropriated under 
this bill.
  Mr. REGULA. That is my understanding from the Parliamentarian, if the 
gentleman will continue to yield, that is correct.
  Mr. YATES. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. BEILENSON. I yield to the gentleman from Illinois.
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  Mr. YATES. Does the arrangement respecting the appropriation to which 
you addressed yourself have the approval of the chairman of the 
authorizing committee of the House?
  Mr. REGULA. If the gentleman from California who has the time will 
yield, members of the authorizing committee were a party to working out 
the rule, so I think the answer would be yes.
  Mr. BEILENSON. If I may further pursue this, why are we treating this 
in a different manner than we usually treat appropriations? Ordinarily 
at least, a lower authorization would appropriate a certain amount of 
money if the Committee on Appropriations, as in this case, provided a 
higher amount.
  Is there some particular reason for this that anybody can tell us 
about?
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will yield, I differ with 
the Parliamentarian's interpretation of this and I think it is just a 
matter of how it comes down to interpretation in the long run. I am not 
sure the intention 

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was there at the beginning. But the intention is to authorize in the 
amount that was provided for here.
  Mr. BEILENSON. I appreciate the gentlewoman's response and also the 
gentleman's response. I simply want to point out to our colleagues and 
to the friends of the NEA, this is a little bit more complex and 
perhaps dicey situation, the one perhaps we are in, because it is 
dependent upon an authorization being exactly the same as the 
appropriation in this bill and any lower amount would result in no 
appropriation whatsoever for the NEA in the coming year; is that 
correct?
  Mr. REGULA. If the gentleman will yield further, I want to say, the 
leadership on our side of the aisle has endorsed this and understands 
that. So I think that for those that are interested in the NEA, and 
that is what you are getting to, they can anticipate that we will be 
consistent on the authorization and the appropriation.
  As the gentleman noted, it is self-enacting in that it limits the 
expenditure of funds in NEA to institutional grants. Of course I think 
that addresses the problem that the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey] 
discussed earlier in his remarks about some of the individual grants 
that have caused the NEA to have some problems.
  Mr. BEILENSON. I appreciate the gentleman's response. It makes us 
feel a little bit better.
  Mr. YATES. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will yield further, suppose 
the other body does not agree with what is being provided as self-
operating in this rule. Suppose the other body wants to change it, and 
the conference wants to change it. That can be done, can it not?
  Mr. REGULA. If the gentleman from California will yield, obviously we 
will be part of the conference, and I think, at least I have to speak 
for myself, as a conferee I fully intend to respect the House's 
position and maintain it in a conference. Because I think we have an 
obligation to those who vote for the rule today to do that. I want to 
say right up front that conferees will be instructed to stay with the 
House amount, and that is exactly what we plan to do.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Ewing). The time of the gentleman from 
California [Mr. Beilenson] has expired.
  Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, this is an unusual request, but I wonder 
if our friends on the other side might yield us an additional 2\1/2\ 
minutes just to pursue this matter for a very short while because it is 
of some importance.
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ additional minutes to my 
friend, the gentleman from California.
  Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, if I may ask just one follow-up question 
for the gentleman from Ohio. I thank the gentlewoman very, very much.
  With respect to the gentleman's response to the distinguished 
gentleman from Illinois, the only requirements of the rule before us 
has to do with the passage by the House of Representatives of a bill 
authorizing a certain amount.
  I can only assume, and please tell us if I am correct in this, that 
once we get past the House authorization of an NEA appropriation for 
next year, let us assume it is the same amount as is included in this 
bill, that is all right. That is, whatever is determined finally in 
conference committee would in fact be authorized under a bill which 
might have a different amount?
  Mr. REGULA. In response to the gentleman, let me just say that it is 
our every intention to respect the amount that is in the appropriation 
bill when we go to conference and, second, that will be in the 
authorizing bill.
  Mr. BEILENSON. The principal point here is that if the $99 million is 
provided for in the bill, in the authorizing bill passed by this House, 
then that
 money, whatever eventual amount of money is decided upon can in fact 
be appropriated so long as it is within those parameters?

  Mr. REGULA. Yes.
  Mr. BEILENSON. I thank the gentleman for his response and the 
gentlewoman for her great kindness.
  Mr. YATES. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will yield further, may I 
ask the gentleman a question: What happens if the authorizing committee 
of the other body does not agree and in their conference they come to a 
different conclusion than, as you say, the authorizing committee in the 
House?
  Mr. REGULA. If the gentleman from California will yield further, the 
answer is that we made it subject only to the authorization by the 
House and not be the other body.
  Mr. YATES. Does that mean that you have frozen the other body, you 
have compelled the other body to adhere to whatever you put into this 
rule?
  Mr. REGULA. That will be the bottom line in a conference, I would say 
to the gentleman.
  Mr. YATES. But there is another conference that is coming along and 
that is on the authorizing committee, as well.
  Mr. REGULA. That is correct.
  Mr. YATES. So they cannot deviate from this is what you are saying?
  Mr. REGULA. I think that our conferees on an authorization bill will 
feel obligated to hold to the amount that we have agreed upon in this 
appropriation.
  Mr. YATES. Suppose the other body does not agree with you on this. 
That means that the whole thing may explode?
  Mr. REGULA. I will respond to the gentleman by saying that that will 
be an interesting conference.
  Mr. YATES. We may wind up with no bill, then.
  Mr. REGULA. I hesitate to predict what might happen in this body. We 
can only deal with the circumstances before us today.
  Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, again I thank the gentlewoman for her 
courteous generosity.
  I urge a ``no'' vote on the previous question in which if it is 
defeated I will offer an amendment to the rule which would make in 
order the lock box amendment and also strike the unusual restriction on 
NEA funding that we have just been discussing.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman from California 
[Mr. Beilenson] has again expired.
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
California [Mr. Dreier], my colleague on the Committee on Rules.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend for yielding me the time.
  I want to again congratulate her on superb management of this rule. 
It is a little easier today than it was last night, I will acknowledge, 
because we have, I believe, come to an agreement which will clearly be 
acceptable to a majority of this House.
  Mr. Speaker, many of us have tried for a number of years to delete 
taxpayer funding of the National Endowment for the Arts, and that is 
obviously one of the major items of real controversy here. I will 
acknowledge there are other items that are very, very important in this 
measure, but the NEA on our side of the aisle especially has been a 
very, very contentious point.
  We are going to, under this open rule, have an opportunity to in fact 
zero out the National Endowment for the Arts. As the gentleman from 
Illinois [Mr. Crane] has offered that amendment in the past, he will 
have the chance to offer it again today when we proceed with the 
measure.
  I believe that there is a very important signal that has been 
received. I will acknowledge that there was a little bump in the road 
last night when we did not quite get a majority vote for this rule, but 
this has been a very well thought out compromise which, as my friend 
from Illinois has just raised, in fact, insists that conferees on our 
side of the aisle adhere to the constraints that have been outlined in 
our proposal.
  This is an open rule. It allows for the kinds of amendments that 
Members want to offer. I hope very much that we can now proceed and 
move as expeditiously as possible through this appropriations process, 
because we are trying desperately to maintain the kind of openness that 
we proposed at the beginning of this Congress. I believe this bill will 
be another great example of that.
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, I urge adoption of this rule. It will get us 
back on track. It will give this body the healthy deliberation it needs 
on these issues.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the 
previous question on the resolution.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on ordering the previous 
question.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.

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  Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a 
quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not 
present.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
  The Sergeant at Arms will notice absent Members.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 230, 
nays 194, not voting 10, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 498]

                               YEAS--230

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--194

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hayes
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Tucker
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--10

     Andrews
     Bono
     Collins (MI)
     Dickey
     Fields (TX)
     Forbes
     Hefner
     Moakley
     Reynolds
     Tauzin

                              {time}  1144

  Mr. JACOBS changed his vote from ``yea'' to ``nay.''
  Mr. COBLE changed his vote from ``nay'' to ``yea.''
  So the previous question was ordered.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Ewing). The question is on the 
resolution.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 229, 
noes 195, not voting 10, as follows:

                             [Roll No 499]

                               AYES--229

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NOES--195

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr

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     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Frost
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hayes
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jefferson
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McInnis
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Neumann
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roukema
     Roybal-Allard
     Royce
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Tucker
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--10

     Andrews
     Bono
     Collins (MI)
     Fields (TX)
     Furse
     Hefner
     Moakley
     Reynolds
     Tauzin
     Young (FL)

                              {time}  1202

  Mr. STUPAK changed his vote from ``aye'' to ``no.''
  So the resolution was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
  

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