[Congressional Record Volume 141, Number 111 (Tuesday, July 11, 1995)]
[House]
[Pages H6746-H6755]
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PROVIDING FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 1868, FOREIGN OPERATIONS,
EXPORT FINANCING, AND RELATED PROGRAMS APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 1996
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call
up House Resolution 177 and ask for its immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:
H. Res. 177
Resolved, That during further consideration of H.R. 1868
pursuant to House Resolution 170, consideration of the bill
for amendment in the Committee of the Whole House on the
state of the Union shall proceed without intervening motion
except the amendments printed in the report of the Committee
on Rules accompanying this resolution. Each of those
amendments may be considered only in the order printed in the
report, may be offered only by a Member designated in the
report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for
twenty minutes equally divided and controlled by the
proponent and an opponent, shall not be subject to amendment,
and shall not be subject to a demand for division of the
question in the House or in the Committee of the Whole. All
points of order against amendments printed in the report are
waived. The chairman of the Committee of the Whole may
postpone until a time during further consideration in the
Committee of the Whole a request for a recorded vote on any
amendment made in order by this resolution. The chairman of
the Committee of the Whole may reduce to not less than five
minutes the time for voting by electronic device on any
postponed question that immediately follows another vote by
electronic device without intervening business, provided that
the time for voting by electronic device on the first in any
series of questions shall be not less than fifteen minutes.
Immediately after disposition of the amendments printed in
the report, the Committee shall rise and report the bill to
the House with such amendments as may have been adopted.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). The gentleman from Florida [Mr.
Goss] is recognized for 1 hour.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, for purposes of debate only, I yield the
customary 30 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Ohio [Mr.
Hall] pending which time I yield myself such time as I may consume.
During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the
purpose of debate only.
(Mr. GOSS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks and to include extraneous material.)
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I think before we start the proceedings this
morning that we all want to be reminded of the fact that our good
friend and colleague, the ranking member of the Committee on Rules, the
gentleman from Massachusetts, Joe Moakley, is in the hospital. We wish
him Godspeed and early return and all good health.
Mr. Speaker, in the week leading up to the Fourth of July break, we
witnessed one of the longest campaigns of dilatory floor tactics in the
recent history of the House of Representatives. That campaign
continues. Yesterday's Roll Call quotes a minority leadership aide as
saying, ``We are blowing up the House on Monday.'' Well, it is Tuesday
and we are still here, and we are pleased about that.
The minority Members have made references to guerilla warfare. Mr.
Speaker, these are not the sentiments of the people of the United
States who are interested in working for the national interest.
Unfortunately, it is clear that the minority has decided to hold the
foreign operations bill and possibly other legislation hostage in order
to grandstand on what is an extraneous issue and now one that I hope is
behind us and resolved.
To anyone who still has questions about the matter of committee
ratios, I simply urge them to look at the history of ratios in the
House under Democratic rule. I think the evidence very clearly shows,
as we pointed out in debate yesterday, that the Republicans indeed are
more generous to the minority on the Committee on Ways and Means than
we have experienced when it was the other way around. So let us end
that discussion and get on with the business.
Mr. Speaker, the majority is here to do the people's business and
today that business is the passage of the foreign operations
appropriations bill. Reluctantly, I am here with a second rule, a rule
that will enable us to finish this bill and continue the important work
of considering appropriations bills. As we all know, we have many left
to go before the August recess.
As Members are aware, under the rules of the House, limitation
amendments to appropriation bills are subject to the majority leader's
motion to rise. In fact, we could cut off all debate here and now and
proceed to final passage. But at this point we choose not to do that.
But it is an important point, so let me restate it. Under the rules, we
could end the
amending process right now. But we are not going to do that. Instead
we have crafted a rule to ensure that the four pending amendments are
protected and each one has adequate debate time.
To those who may rise to claim that this rule is not fair, I would
point out the hours upon hours that this body has spent voting on
unnecessary motions already on this appropriations bill, procedural
motions, dilatory motions, time that could have been used to finish the
bill under a completely open rule.
By calculations of the chairman of the Committee on Rules, if I have
read his quotes right, so far 27 hours have been used in debate on
this, which is 5 more than we used to debate Desert Storm in 1991, and
that involved hostile open warfare.
This rule strikes an important balance between the rights of Members
to offer amendments, most notably the three Democrat Members, I say the
three Democrat Members who still have amendments pending are being
provided for under this rule, and one other amendment as well, and the
need to finish consideration of this legislation in a timely manner,
which is our responsibility.
I think this is the right balance. It allows those who had amendments
pending to complete the business of this bill. It does get the bill
moving. I urge my colleagues to support the rule.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
(Mr. HALL of Ohio asked and was given permission to revise and extend
his remarks and to include extraneous material.)
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to House
Resolution 177, the second rule on the foreign operations
appropriations bill for fiscal year 1996. Approximately 2 weeks ago, on
June 22 when we were debating the first rule on this bill, I stood here
and commended my colleagues on the other side of the aisle for
reporting an essentially open rule. Now, after several days of full and
fair debate on many important amendments under the 5 minute rule, we
are suddenly closing down the process.
Under this new rule, only the four amendments specified in the
accompanying rules report may be offered. These are amendments by Mr.
Engel, Ms. Jackson-Lee, Mr. Volkmer, and Mr. Smith of New Jersey. They
are debatable for only 20 minutes each, equally divided between an
opponent and proponent. Members will not be able to strike the last
word and continue debating the merits of these amendments. No Member
may offer any other amendment, regardless of how meritorious it may be.
Mr. Speaker, this is no way to do business. I have stated before that
some bills may require a structured rule, I have, in fact, supported
structured rules on foreign operations appropriations bills in the
past. However, if we are going to structure a rule, it
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should be done from the beginning and in an upfront way. Changing the
rules in the middle of the game is not fair to Members who may have
been legitimately planning to draft amendments, but are now precluded
from doing so. Early on we were promised an open rule on this bill and
that promise should be kept.
In my opinion, we have seen some very good debate
has taken place in this body over amendments which sometimes went
for 2 or even 3 hours. I think that is good. I think our constituents
want us to think about what we are doing with their money and to debate
it fully before we act hastily. My own children's amendment to transfer
$108 million in funds to the new Child Survival Fund and to include
basic education activities for millions of poor children overseas was
the subject of meaningful debate and drew support from both sides of
the aisle. I regret that other Members may not have an equal
opportunity to offer their ideas in amendment form.
I am also concerned that under this rule, Mr. Frank will not be
allowed to offer his amendment to withhold funds to Indonesia. The
Frank amendment addresses a very severe human rights issue of
repression against the people of East Timor. This is a subject that
should certainly be addressed in the context of our country's foreign
aid expenditures.
Finally, Mr. Speaker, as I indicated during the debate on the
American Overseas Interests Act, the International Affairs budget
represents only 1.3 percent of total Federal spending. It has already
been cut by 40 percent since 1985. As this bill was reported to the
floor the fund for Africa absorbed a 21-percent cut, and another 40
percent was squeezed out of development aid. Funds in these areas go
for self-help, preventive programs which actually save money down the
road. This is a story we need to tell the American people. And to tell
our story properly we should do it in a timely and deliberative manner.
I do plan to vote ``no'' on this rule and I urge my colleagues to
join me to oppose it.
Mr. Speaker, I include for the Record the following information.
FLOOR PROCEDURE IN THE 104TH CONGRESS; COMPILED BY THE RULES COMMITTEE DEMOCRATS
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Process used for floor Amendments in
Bill No. Title Resolution No. consideration order
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H.R. 1*................ Compliance............. H. Res. 6 Closed...................... None.
H. Res. 6.............. Opening Day Rules H. Res. 5 Closed; contained a closed None.
Package. rule on H.R. 1 within the
closed rule.
H.R. 5*................ Unfunded Mandates...... H. Res. 38 Restrictive; Motion adopted N/A.
over Democratic objection
in the Committee of the
Whole to limit debate on
section 4; Pre-printing
gets preference.
H.J. Res. 2*........... Balanced Budget........ H. Res. 44 Restrictive; only certain 2R; 4D.
substitutes.
H. Res. 43............. Committee Hearings H. Res. 43 (OJ) Restrictive; considered in N/A.
Scheduling. House no amendments.
H.R. 2*................ Line Item Veto......... H. Res. 55 Open; Pre-printing gets N/A.
preference.
H.R. 665*.............. Victim Restitution Act H. Res. 61 Open; Pre-printing gets N/A.
of 1995. preference.
H.R. 666*.............. Exclusionary Rule H. Res. 60 Open; Pre-printing gets N/A.
Reform Act of 1995. preference.
H.R. 667*.............. Violent Criminal H. Res. 63 Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap N/A.
Incarceration Act of on amendments.
1995.
H.R. 668*.............. The Criminal Alien H. Res. 69 Open; Pre-printing gets N/A.
Deportation preference; Contains self-
Improvement Act. executing provision.
H.R. 728*.............. Local Government Law H. Res. 79 Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap N/A.
Enforcement Block on amendments; Pre-printing
Grants. gets preference.
H.R. 7*................ National Security H. Res. 83 Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap N/A.
Revitalization Act. on amendments; Pre-printing
gets preference.
H.R. 729*.............. Death Penalty/Habeas... N/A Restrictive; brought up N/A.
under UC with a 6 hr. time
cap on amendments.
S. 2................... Senate Compliance...... N/A Closed; Put on Suspension None.
Calendar over Democratic
objection.
H.R. 831............... To Permanently Extend H. Res. 88 Restrictive; makes in order 1D.
the Health Insurance only the Gibbons amendment;
Deduction for the Self- Waives all points of order;
Employed. Contains self-executing
provision.
H.R. 830*.............. The Paperwork Reduction H. Res. 91 Open........................ N/A.
Act.
H.R. 889............... Emergency Supplemental/ H. Res. 92 Restrictive; makes in order 1D.
Rescinding Certain only the Obey substitute.
Budget Authority.
H.R. 450*.............. Regulatory Moratorium.. H. Res. 93 Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap N/A.
on amendments; Pre-printing
gets preference.
H.R. 1022*............. Risk Assessment........ H. Res. 96 Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap N/A.
on amendments.
H.R. 926*.............. Regulatory Flexibility. H. Res. 100 Open........................ N/A.
H.R. 925*.............. Private Property H. Res. 101 Restrictive; 12 hr. time cap 1D.
Protection Act. on amendments; Requires
Members to pre-print their
amendments in the Record
prior to the bill's
consideration for
amendment, waives
germaneness and budget act
points of order as well as
points of order concerning
appropriating on a
legislative bill against
the committee substitute
used as base text.
H.R. 1058*............. Securities Litigation H. Res. 105 Restrictive; 8 hr. time cap 1D.
Reform Act. on amendments; Pre-printing
gets preference; Makes in
order the Wyden amendment
and waives germaneness
against it.
H.R. 988*.............. The Attorney H. Res. 104 Restrictive; 7 hr. time cap N/A.
Accountability Act of on amendments; Pre-printing
1995. gets preference.
H.R. 956*.............. Product Liability and H. Res. 109 Restrictive; makes in order 8D; 7R.
Legal Reform Act. only 15 germane amendments
and denies 64 germane
amendments from being
considered.
H.R. 1158.............. Making Emergency H. Res. 115 Restrictive; Combines N/A.
Supplemental emergency H.R. 1158 &
Appropriations and nonemergency 1159 and
Rescissions. strikes the abortion
provision; makes in order
only pre-printed amendments
that include offsets within
the same chapter (deeper
cuts in programs already
cut); waives points of
order against three
amendments; waives cl 2 of
rule XXI against the bill,
cl 2, XXI and cl 7 of rule
XVI against the substitute;
waives cl 2(e) od rule XXI
against the amendments in
the Record; 10 hr time cap
on amendments. 30 minutes
debate on each amendment.
H.J. Res. 73*.......... Term Limits............ H. Res. 116 Restrictive; Makes in order 1D; 3R
only 4 amendments
considered under a ``Queen
of the Hill'' procedure and
denies 21 germane
amendments from being
considered.
H.R. 4*................ Welfare Reform......... H. Res. 119 Restrictive; Makes in order 5D; 26R
only 31 perfecting
amendments and two
substitutes; Denies 130
germane amendments from
being considered; The
substitutes are to be
considered under a ``Queen
of the Hill'' procedure;
All points of order are
waived against the
amendments.
H.R. 1271*............. Family Privacy Act..... H. Res. 125 Open........................ N/A
H.R. 660*.............. Housing for Older H. Res. 126 Open........................ N/A
Persons Act.
H.R. 1215*............. The Contract With H. Res. 129 Restrictive; Self Executes 1D
America Tax Relief Act language that makes tax
of 1995. cuts contingent on the
adoption of a balanced
budget plan and strikes
section 3006. Makes in
order only one substitute.
Waives all points of order
against the bill,
substitute made in order as
original text and Gephardt
substitute.
H.R. 483............... Medicare Select H. Res. 130 Restrictive; waives cl 1D
Extension. 2(1)(6) of rule XI against
the bill; makes H.R. 1391
in order as original text;
makes in order only the
Dingell substitute; allows
Commerce Committee to file
a report on the bill at any
time.
H.R. 655............... Hydrogen Future Act.... H. Res. 136 Open........................ N/A.
H.R. 1361.............. Coast Guard H. Res. 139 Open; waives sections 302(f) N/A.
Authorization. and 308(a) of the
Congressional Budget Act
against the bill's
consideration and the
committee substitute;
waives cl 5(a) of rule XXI
against the committee
substitute.
H.R. 961............... Clean Water Act........ H. Res. 140 Open; pre-printing gets N/A.
preference; waives sections
302(f) and 602(b) of the
Budget Act against the
bill's consideration;
waives cl 7 of rule XVI, cl
5(a) of rule XXI and
section 302(f) of the
Budget Act against the
committee substitute. Makes
in order Shuster substitute
as first order of business.
H.R. 535............... Corning National Fish H. Res. 144 Open........................ N/A.
Hatchery Conveyance
Act.
H.R. 584............... Conveyance of the H. Res. 145 Open........................ N/A.
Fairport National Fish
Hatchery to the State
of Iowa.
H.R. 614............... Conveyance of the New H. Res. 146 Open........................ N/A
London National Fish
Hatchery Production
Facility.
H. Con. Res. 67........ Budget Resolution...... H. Res. 149 Restrictive; Makes in order 3D; 1R
4 substitutes under regular
order; Gephardt, Neumann/
Solomon, Payne/Owens,
President's Budget if
printed in Record on 5/17/
95; waives all points of
order against substitutes
and concurrent resolution;
suspends application of
Rule XLIX with respect to
the resolution; self-
executes Agriculture
language.
H.R. 1561.............. American Overseas H. Res. 155 Restrictive; Requires N/A
Interests Act of 1995. amendments to be printed in
the Record prior to their
consideration; 10 hr. time
cap; waives cl 2(1)(6) of
rule XI against the bill's
consideration; Also waives
sections 302(f), 303(a),
308(a) and 402(a) against
the bill's consideration
and the committee amendment
in order as original text;
waives cl 5(a) of rule XXI
against the amendment;
amendment consideration is
closed at 2:30 p.m. on May
25, 1995. Self-executes
provision which removes
section 2210 from the bill.
This was done at the
request of the Budget
Committee.
H.R. 1530.............. National Defense H. Res. 164 Restrictive; Makes in order 36R; 18D; 2
Authorization Act FY only the amendments printed Bipartisan
1996. in the report; waives all
points of order against the
bill, substitute and
amendments printed in the
report. Gives the Chairman
en bloc authority. Self-
executes a provision which
strikes section 807 of the
bill; provides for an
additional 30 min. of
debate on Nunn-Lugar
section; Allows Mr. Clinger
to offer a modification of
his amendment with the
concurrence of Ms. Collins.
H.R. 1817.............. Military Construction H. Res. 167 Open; waives cl. 2 and cl. 6 ..............
Appropriations; FY of rule XXI against the
1996. bill; 1 hr. general debate;
Uses House passed budget
numbers as threshold for
spending amounts pending
passage of Budget.
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H.R. 1854.............. Legislative Branch H. Res. 169 Restrictive; Makes in order 5R; 4D; 2
Appropriations. only 11 amendments; waives Bipartisan
sections 302(f) and 308(a)
of the Budget Act against
the bill and cl. 2 and cl.
6 of rule XXI against the
bill. All points of order
are waived against the
amendments.
H.R. 1868.............. Foreign Operations H. Res. 170 Open; waives cl. 2, cl. N/A
Appropriations. 5(b), and cl. 6 of rule XXI
against the bill; makes in
order the Gilman amendments
as first order of business;
waives all points of order
against the amendments; if
adopted they will be
considered as original
text; waives cl. 2 of rule
XXI against the amendments
printed in the report. Pre-
printing gets priority
(Hall) (Menendez) (Goss)
(Smith, NJ).
H.R. 1905.............. Energy & Water H. Res. 171 Open; waives cl. 2 and cl. 6 N/A
Appropriations. of rule XXI against the
bill; makes in order the
Shuster amendment as the
first order of business;
waives all points of order
against the amendment; if
adopted it will be
considered as original
text. Pre-printing gets
priority.
H.J. Res. 79........... Constitutional H. Res. 173 Closed; provides one hour of N/A
Amendment to Permit general debate and one
Congress and States to motion to recommit with or
Prohibit the Physical without instructions; if
Desecration of the there are instructions, the
American Flag. MO is debatable for 1 hr.
H.R. 1944.............. Recissions Bill........ H. Res. 175 Restrictive; Provides for N/A
consideration of the bill
in the House; Permits the
Chairman of the
Appropriations Committee to
offer one amendment which
is unamendable; waives all
points of order against the
amendment.
H.R. 1868 (2nd rule)... Foreign Operations H. Res. 177 Restrictive; Provides for ..............
Appropriations. further consideration of
the bill; makes in order
only the four amendments
printed in the rules report
(20 min each). Waives all
points of order against the
amendments; Prohibits
intervening motions in the
Committee of the Whole;
Provides for an automatic
rise and report following
the disposition of the
amendments.
* Contract Bills, 67% restrictive; 33% open. ** All legislation, 64% restrictive; 36% open. *** Restrictive
rules are those which limit the number of amendments which can be offered, and include so called modified open
and modified closed rules as well as completely closed rules and rules providing for consideration in the
House as opposed to the Committee of the Whole. This definition of restrictive rule is taken from the
Republican chart of resolutions reported from the Rules Committee in the 103rd Congress. **** Not included in
this chart are three bills which should have been placed on the Suspension Calendar. H.R. 101, H.R. 400, H.R.
440.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the
distinguished gentleman from New Glens Falls, NY [Mr. Solomon],
chairman of the Committee on Rules.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Sanibel, FL for
yielding time to me.
Mr. Speaker, the gentleman who just spoke on the other side of the
aisle is one of my best friends in this Congress because he is one of
our most respected Members. But I just have to take some exception to a
couple of things he said.
One of the things he said was that this is no way to do business.
Well, he is right. This is no way to do business. I would just ask
those that are watching and those in the gallery and those in the press
to watch what happens when this rule comes to a vote. That is no way to
do business, dilatory tactics.
The statement made by a very prominent Democrat late last week was
that they would blow up this place on Monday. That is no way to do
business. All of those dilatory tactic votes that we had all last week
interrupting the people's business, that is no way to do business. So I
get a little agitated when I hear statements like that.
Let me just say, to underscore some of the things that my good friend
from Sanibel, FL has mentioned, that I really do regret things have to
come to this juncture. We did something this year that has not been
done in 8 years when the Democrats were in control, since 1987, and
that is we put out a completely open rule on this foreign operations
appropriation bill, a very controversial bill we put it out under an
open rule so that any Member could offer amendments to this important
piece of legislation.
I think that as a result of that, we did have some good debates on
various amendments, like the one by the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Hall].
That was a good amendment. We had a good substantial debate on it. We
had some good interplay with second degree amendments along the way as
well. And hopefully, the House was better able to make more informed
and wise decisions.
But we also had some intentionally dilatory tactics that I have just
mentioned, including votes on frivolous motions and prolonged and
repetitive debates that normally would not have happened. If the
majority had put out a structured rule, we would have allowed 15 or 20
minutes on 30 minutes on most of those amendments, and that would have
been satisfactory in years past. But no, now the Democrats want to drag
it out for several hours on relatively noncontroversial issues.
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I do not think it can be said that these tactics were in protest of a
completely open rule, Mr. Speaker. Some of it was in protest of the
policy nature of a perfectly legitimate limitation amendment that was
offered on Haiti. Some of it was completely unrelated to the foreign
operations bill itself.
When we began the final stage of the amendment process dealing with
limitation amendments, it was the right of the majority leader to move
that the committee rise and report at any time. That is according to
the rules of the House. Instead, we agree to allow for the further
consideration of limitation amendments, and debate went on under the
regular rules of the House with no end in sight.
Therefore, what the Appropriations Committee and our leadership
recommended was to go back to the Committee on Rules and make in order
the four limitation amendments that were pending when the Committee of
the Whole last rose. We took them all, every amendment that was pending
at that time and which was printed in the Record.
In order to allow for these extra amendments, we also had to deal
with the prospect of more dilatory tactics. Consequently, we have a
rule now that limits these four amendments to 20 minutes each, a
concession we made to the minority after initially moving that each be
debated for 10 minutes each.
Now I understand, Mr. Speaker, that the gentleman from Alabama, Sonny
Callahan, who will be the manager on this side of the aisle on this
bill when the rule brings this to the floor, is going to agree to make
a unanimous-consent request to lengthen that period of time, at the
request of the ranking minority member of the Committee on
Appropriations, the gentleman from Wisconsin, Mr. Obey. We are going to
cooperate in every way that we can, in spite of these dilatory tactics,
which are upsetting me.
Mr. Speaker, we have also prevented any intervening motions of the
kind that have continuously interrupted our work on this bill over the
last month. We have allowed for the votes on the amendments to be
postponed and to be clustered, which was done before under the Democrat
leadership.
In short, Mr. Speaker, this is an eminently fair rule. It allows for
more amendments to be considered than are required under a completely
open rule. We have made in order three times as many Democrat
amendments as Republicans' in this second rule, all
that were requested and that had been preprinted in the Record. We
have even protected them against points of order that would otherwise
lie against some of them, which means they could have been knocked out
without any debate on this floor.
Mr. Speaker, the Committee on Rules has tried to be as fair as
possible under the circumstances. We have bent over backward to allow
for an open debate in an amendment process on a bill that has never had
an open rule before. Yet, we have been met with demands for rollcall
votes on the previous question to the rule, which will appear again
here today in a few minutes, and on the adoption of a completely open
rule.
The minority has not been content with open rules, it seems. Instead,
it has demanded endless debates on amendments not in order under a
regular open amendment process.
Mr. Speaker, the time has come to recognize that we had a full
debate, a fair debate, and an open amendment process on this bill. We
must bring it to a final vote, and the time to do it is right now. We
will ultimately be judged not only on how fair and open we have been in
arriving at a final passage on this bill, but on how well we have
handled the responsibility that goes with that openness.
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Let us now act like responsible legislators, the people expect us to
do that, and conclude this debate and take a final vote. Members should
not think that the American people are not watching out there, Mr.
Speaker. They see these silly shenanigans that are going on here, and
they resent it as much as I do.
Let us get on with the people's business. Let us put these amendments
on the floor that were pending, all of them, and let us bring them to
vote. Then let us go to final passage.
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. SOLOMON. I yield to the distinguished gentleman from Missouri,
the home of Harry Truman.
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding to me.
Mr. Speaker, it has been brought to my attention that at the time
that the Committee rose, before we took off for the Fourth of July,
that there was a fifth amendment, not the fifth amendment.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, who is taking the fifth amendment around
here?
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, a fifth amendment was pending at the desk,
at the Reading Clerk, that was not included and made in order by this
rule. I would just like to, out of curiosity, know why the amendment of
the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] was not included in this
rule. Do the Members have something against the gentleman from
Massachusetts, or what is it?
Mr. SOLOMON. Absolutely not, Mr. Speaker. As a matter of fact, we
made amendments in order by the gentleman from Massachusetts many, many
times when they were germane and to the point. That amendment was not
pending. It had not been preprinted in the Record.
Mr. VOLKMER. It was not preprinted.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman asked me to answer his
question. Let me answer it and then he can respond, too.
Mr. Speaker, I have here in front of me something I cannot read. As a
matter of fact, I even had it magnified. This is the amendment that
somebody brought down to the desk just before we adjourned the other
day. But I cannot even read the amendment.
Second, the amendment was not in order. It would have been subject to
a point of order. Consequently, we took the three Democrat amendments
and the one Republican amendment that had been preprinted in the
Record, we made them in order, we waived points of order against them.
Now they are going to be debated on this floor. That is fair, I will
say to the gentleman.
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will continue to yield,
did the gentleman examine the Record of June 30, 1995?
Mr. SOLOMON. No.
Mr. VOLKMER. That amendment is included in that Congressional Record.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I would be glad to have the gentleman come
over here and show it to me afterward.
Mr. VOLKMER. If the gentleman will continue to yield, Mr. Speaker, he
can read it very easily: ``None of the funds made available in this act
may be used for assistance for Indonesia.''
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I would ask the gentleman, was that the day
we adjourned?
Mr. VOLKMER. Yes.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, it was not preprinted in advance in the
Record. That is why we took all of those amendments that were
preprinted in the Record. We went upstairs and made them in order. The
gentleman evidently dropped it in just as we were closing that night,
which did not qualify it, in my opinion.
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will continue to yield. I
do appreciate the gentleman making this gentleman's amendment in order.
I want to recognize that.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman is a very respected Member of
the House. The gentleman was diligent in filing his amendment several
days before.
Mr. VOLKMER. Yes.
If the gentleman will continue to yield, the other thing I would like
to ask of the gentleman, Mr. Speaker, just to perhaps, because the
gentleman has
the power, or the gentleman from Florida, to do this. They can do
this. They can offer an amendment to the rule, amending it. I notice
that if it is time that the gentleman is worried about, that the
gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Callahan], who is now here, he is going to
extend the time.
Mr. SOLOMON. The very distinguished gentleman.
Mr. VOLKMER. Right, the very distinguished gentleman. He is going to
give us 10 additional minutes on each amendment. That is a total of 40
more minutes.
Mr. SOLOMON. That is right. He is very cooperative.
Mr. VOLKMER. If the gentleman will yield further, what I was thinking
of, Mr. Speaker, is rather than doing that, we can just take our
minutes and add that other amendment in, and there is not any more
time, and we can vote on the question of Indonesia.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I would just say to the gentleman, he
really ought to speak to the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey]. The
gentleman from Wisconsin was the one requesting the additional time.
Perhaps the gentleman could work that out over there. I appreciate the
gentleman's point of view.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman
from Missouri. [Mr. Volkmer].
(Mr. VOLKMER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, even though the Committee on Rules in their
generosity has made the amendment that I had printed in the Record in
order, I still rise strongly in opposition to this rule. I do so
because it is another case of not letting the House act on amendments
that are normally in order but restricting amendments by this rule.
Mr. Speaker, I think, again, it is a case of here we go again. When
the Congress initially started, the day after, we were sworn in on the
4th of January, on the 5th the chairman of the Committee on Rules stood
in that well, right at the podium on the Republican side, and talked
about rules, and what we were going to do in rules, and how long it
took for a bill to get out of committee, reports to be filed, and rules
had to be done, and then the bill could come to the floor. It was very
elaborate, very good, a very good education. Too bad there were not
very many here to listen. This gentleman was, as the gentleman from New
York knows.
However, at that time, Mr. Speaker, I and the gentlewoman from
Colorado inquired of the gentleman and lo and behold, the gentleman
said that by the time the year was over, we were going to have 70
percent of our rules that were going to be open rules, open rules on
bills. Mr. Speaker, we are not even 40 percent now. Here we go again.
This is not an open rule on this bill. It was an open rule, but it no
longer is.
Mr. Speaker, the next time we see this bill, I dare say the next time
will be when we are getting ready for the train wreck, when we get all
the appropriation bills, we get the reconciliation bill, we get the tax
bill, we get the debt limit bill, we get all of the farm bill, and all
of these things will be stacked up in one big bill and sent to the
President by the majority.
Mr. Speaker, when this occurs, everybody is going to be able to see
what we on this side have been saying, and said it again this morning.
It was denied again by the Gingrich Republican majority. That is that
at that time, we are going to see the cuts in Medicare coming down the
road. Where is the money going? We are going to see it in the tax bill.
It is all going to be in one bill. We are going to see these big tax
breaks for the wealthy. We are going to see our senior citizens in my
district, where we have no HMO's, we have no HMO's, we are going to see
them have to pay by the year 2002, or supposedly when this
balanced budget is coming down the pike, that they are going to be
paying over two to three times more for Medicare out of their meager
Social Security check, so the wealthy at the same time are getting that
$20,000 a year tax break. That is the next time Members are going to
see this bill.
I daresay that I think we had better recognize that this bill, along
with all the other appropriation bills, and the big spending bills,
like the defense spending bill, and at the same time the
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reconciliation bill, which is the one that cuts my farm programs, is
going to cut my senior citizens programs, going to cut the school
lunches for the kids, it is going to do all of that, and at the same
time in that bill we are going to have a big tax break bill for the
wealthy. That is the next time we see this bill.
Mr. Speaker, for that reason, I am not only not going to vote for
this rule, I am not even going to vote for the bill, because I think
this bill is a lousy bill. I think that we ought to just send it back
to committee and get rid of it.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I am privileged to yield 2 minutes to the
distinguished gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Callahan], chairman of the
subcommittee in the Committee on Appropriations.
Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for his kind and
generous allotment of time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in total support of the rule. I want to tell all
the Members on both sides of the aisle that throughout the entire 27
hours of debate on this issue, I have tried diligently to work with
both sides. I have tried to work and have worked with the gentleman
from Texas [Mr. Wilson]. I have tried and have worked with the
gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey]. I have assented to just about
every request that they have made within my realm of possibility.
Therefore, I am not going to support the four amendments that are
offered, but, in the spirit of working together toward a resolution to
this issue, we are going to give people the opportunity to debate them.
I am going to ask for unanimous consent to give them even more time. I
think we have come as far as we can come on this bill, Mr. Speaker.
I realize the dilatory tactics that are taking place. I realize why
they are doing it. However, at the same time I think we have dilly-
dallied long enough on this bill. I think we ought to go ahead and
accept this rule today as it is written, so we can get on with the
passage of this bill.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Texas [Mr. Wilson]
Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to say that the chairman
of the subcommittee, the gentleman from Alabama, has certainly been as
accommodating as he possibly could. His leadership has been exemplary,
and I think in a couple of cases when we were going through the very
difficult times the week before last in certain cases, it was only his
cool temperament that held things together. I would just like to make
that note.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to my
colleague and the distinguished gentleman from greater San Dimas, CA
[Mr. Dreier], the chairman of the Subcommittee on Rules and
Organization of the House of the Committee on Rules.
(Mr. DREIER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I thank the distinguished chairman of the
Subcommittee on Legislative and the Budget Process, which I understand
is at this moment taking testimony over in the Rayburn Building, for
yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to say that it saddens me that we have come
to the point where we have to have this rule. We have tried desperately
to enhance the level of deliberation in this institution. On January 24
when we put into place the opening day reforms, that was one of the
major guides we had, to make this a deliberative body, and one might
claim that staying up around the clock, as we did the week before last,
was part of the deliberative process. Nothing could be further from the
truth. We all know that the dilatory tactics that came from some of our
very, very, very distinguished colleagues jeopardized the ability to
deliberate over this very important piece of legislation.
We desperately want to have every single rule open. Some have claimed
that we have had many, many closed rules. Sixty-two percent of the
legislation has come up under an open amendment process, as the
chairman of the Committee on Rules has just said. We want more and more
open rules. We have done it so far.
However, when people are standing in the way of our responsibility to
meet the appropriations deadlines, we have little choice other than to
move ahead with some sort of structure with the rule. To me, as one who
has worked and continues to this day to work on reform of the
institution, I am very sorry that we have to in fact move forward with
this kind of structure to the rule.
I hope that when we go ahead with the remaining appropriations bills,
Mr. Speaker, that we will be able to work in a bipartisan way to
implement the kind of legislation that the American people said last
year they wanted us to proceed with, and that I believe with a majority
of this institution wants us to implement.
I thank the gentleman for yielding to me, and I rise in support of
this rule, because we have no alternative, unfortunately. I hope we
will be able to finally bring a successful conclusion to this very
important piece of legislation.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank].
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, we see a continuation of the
pattern here that when amendments are inconvenient, they are simply
prevented from being offered. I gather there was some reference to my
handwriting, which I will concede is not much better than my diction,
but what happened was I have been interested in the issue of Indonesia
and its mistreatment to the people of East Timor for some time.
There are currently negotiations going on now between the Portuguese
and Indonesian Governments in which the Portuguese Government is trying
to bring some help to these beleaguered people. Having us debate this
and perhaps adopt an amendment could be very helpful.
As I understand it, Mr. Speaker, during the original debate, someone
on the other side was going to offer an amendment and decided not to.
When I learned that, I came to the floor and offered one. I had one
that was in fact offered and it was at the desk that first night. We
then adjourned. I later learned earlier the next day, or later the next
day, that there was a rule that was coming and we had to submit, so I
hastily, it is true, wrote it and submitted it. However, in fact I had
had an amendment at the desk the night before. I submitted one the next
day when I was told, with very little notice that it was required to do
that.
The question is this: Should we be allowed to debate Indonesia? When
we talked about Haiti there was great concern for democracy on the
other side. Indonesia now is engaging in East Timor in the worst
repression I believe that is going on in the world, a repression that
is as bad as any going on in the world. However, Indonesia will be
sheltered by the Republican Party from an amendment which would put
some pressure on them to stop the systematic denial of the rights of
the people of East Timor.
As I said, negotiations are now going on trying to deal with that,
but the Republican Party is going to use its majority to keep that from
even being debated. having done that, Mr. Speaker, when they then talk
about their concern for human rights and democracy elsewhere, it will
seem hollow indeed, because one of the worst cases, the Indonesian
repression in East Timor, will go unnoticed in this actual debate.
I would repeat, there was an amendment that was to
be offered. When that was withdrawn, I hastily tried to make up for
it, and they are going to repress this and protect the Indonesian
autocracy.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
I have no further requests for time, Mr. Speaker. I would simply like
to say to the chairman of the subcommittee, the gentleman from Alabama
[Mr. Callahan], that I appreciate all the turmoil and tribulation that
he has had to go through on this bill. This is a very difficult bill,
it always is, and he has been accommodating. He has been a gentleman,
working with both sides of the aisle very, very well. I appreciate
that.
We disagree on a portion of the bill, because it has been cut
severely, in my opinion. Since 1985 there has been a 40-
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I am going to support the bill. I am going to support the bill
because of the way the gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Callahan] protected
the children's programs relative to immunization and relative to ORT,
oral rehydration therapy, and UNICEF and the kinds of programs that
really affect children.
I offered an amendment that was accepted. The gentleman from Alabama
[Mr. Callahan], of course, did not like it. We debated it, but I
believe that it really adds to the bill.
I hope someday that maybe the gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Callahan]
and I can maybe travel to some of these Third World nations together
and see some of these programs, some of the immunization programs and
some of the basic education programs and how they really help children
and families develop.
I appreciate what the gentleman has tried to do. He has had a very
difficult task. I praise him certainly for the children's portion of
this bill. I realize it is a difficult bill.
I have said before that I have favored structured rules and I have
supported them and handled them when we were in the majority. But the
other side said that this was going to be an open rule, and I praised
the process of an open rule, but now we are closing it down.
There are a couple of amendments that wanted to be offered that
cannot be offered. The gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] was
going to offer, in my opinion, a wonderful amendment.
I have been, with the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank], and
even before, a proponent of taking money away from Indonesia because of
the whole situation with the island of East Timor, which used to be a
Portuguese colony and was taken over by Indonesia when the Portuguese
left. Out of 700,000 people that live on the island, 200,000 people
have been killed, in my opinion by the Indonesian Government and it is
something that really ought to be debated.
People ask me why do we mess around with East Timor. Nobody knows
about it. There is no constituency in this country. It is because of
the Nation of who we are. And if we are going to give taxpayers' moneys
to a country that oppresses its people, then I think we ought to take a
second look at it and have a tremendous debate and we were not able to
really vote on this issue.
I hope during this whole process, before the possibility of the
previous question being defeated, maybe we could bring this up.
Certainly I will attempt to do that, but maybe in the Senate.
Mr. Speaker, before I close, I would urge a no vote on the previous
question and if defeated, I would offer an amendment which would
increase the debate time for consideration of amendments and would
permit consideration of the Frank amendment, prohibiting funds to
Indonesia.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. HALL of Ohio. I yield to the gentleman from Massachusetts.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I have just been speaking to
the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey], the ranking Democrat on the
Committee on Appropriations. The gentleman tells me that someone
wondered where he was and the gentleman would like it reported that
where he is is in the Committee on Appropriations. Because under the
way this House is now functioning, the Committee on Appropriations is
meeting and the gentleman's presence is required there while the rule
is being debated.
The gentleman would like to be here to object to this unfair rule,
but he has been tied down by the need to be at his committee; an
example of how the House is not functioning very well these days.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I insert in the Record the amendment
that I would offer to the rule, as follows:
Amendment to H. Res. 177
On page 2, line 2 insert before the period ``and the
amendment described in Section 2 of this resolution''
``On page 2, line 5, strike ``twenty'' and insert
'`thirty''
After the period on page 2, line 24, insert the following:
``Section 2. The amendment numbered 86 printed pursuant to
clause 6 of rule XXIII shall be considered as the printed
amendment numbered 5 in the report accompanying this
resolution to be offered by Representative Frank or his
designee.''
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I have no further requests for time,
and I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I will be the closing speaker and I just have
a few cleanup remarks I would like to make. Much of the commentary we
have heard has been the subject of other debate and there is no point
in hashing it over at this point.
Mr. Speaker, I think we are about 80 minutes away from ending a
debate that has so far consumed 27 hours, which I point out has been
some 5 hours more than the House spent debating Desert Storm back in
1991. That was probably the most important vote that I have made since
I have been a Member of Congress and I am sure many other Members would
feel that way.
Regarding some other points that have been made about open rules and
so forth, I think it is fair to go back and we can put into the
procedure, if necessary, the amendment process under the special rules
by our Committee on Rules, and comparing the 103d and 104th Congress.
And yes, we argue about definitions, I know. But according to, I think,
a fair and reasonable judgment, we have, indeed, had many more open
rules or modified open rules in the 104th Congress.
Mr. Speaker, even I think our colleagues on the Committee on Rules on
the other side have admitted that, although they feel maybe we are not
doing quite as well as we hoped we would do. I think that is a subject
of some debate, but I do not think it is debatable that we have not had
more open rules. I think we definitely have.
With regard to the opportunity for more amendments here, I think
there are probably an endless array of amendments that could come up
under the foreign operations appropriation. I certainly had a couple of
more Haiti amendments I was ready to bring out, but I think probably
everybody is relieved that that has not happened, since we have already
spent 6 hours on Haiti and that is probably more than enough.
With regard to East Timor, I had understood that the gentleman from
Missouri [Mr. Volkmer], the gentlewoman from New York [Mrs. Lowey], and
the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. Wolf], had all discussed this amongst
themselves and had discussed this somewhat in the past and the fact
that if there was a casualty on East Timor on this matter, that it is
truly a casualty of the dilatory debate tactics. Because had it not
been for the dilatory debate, I suspect that would have happened.
But for the record I must state that the Committee on Rules met on
the 29th and filed the rule on the 29th. The rule was filed. So a day
late and a dollar short, it seems to be the situation with the
gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank]. I am sorry that it happened.
I suggest that the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] should
talk to the leadership in the Democratic Party and the minority party
about the use of dilatory tactics.
The other point, and my good friend, the gentleman from Ohio [Mr.
Hall], with whom I serve very happily and proudly on the Committee on
Rules, has said that we began with an open rule, and I am sorry we did
not stay with an open rule. I feel exactly the same way. We did not
begin with an understanding that we were going to have dilatory tactics
on an entirely extraneous matter.
I do not know what the problem really was. I do not know whether it
was a question of Democratic unity or whether it was a question of a
Medicaid speech or whether it was a question of really the committee
statistics, the standings of the committees and the Ways and Means
issue. I do not know what the issue was, but it clearly was not related
to the foreign operations appropriation. It was extraneous, it was
dilatory, and that is a matter of record.
The fact that we have had a casualty here and had to close down I
think is regrettable. I think that it is very clear where that came
from and what the problem with it is.
Having said all that, I think we have done our very best to make sure
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all the amendments we did know about at the time that we filed were
taken care of, that were timely filed and that we felt had been
discussed one way or the other. I think we have done a very fair and
reasonable job.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. GOSS. I yield to the gentleman from Massachusetts.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, first I want to say that to say that you are sorry that
the East Timor situation is a victim of dilatory tactics seems to me an
example of the kind of disproportion we can get into. We are talking
about repression. Hurt feelings between ourselves should not get in the
way of our being able to deal with repression.
The amendment that I offered, I came to the floor during the first
period of debate, found to my disappointment that people who I thought
were going to offer that amendment had not offered it. I then offered
it, I submitted it. It had been in fact at the desk. This is not
something that just happened the morning after. As soon as I found out
that that was not being submitted, I submitted it. The next day when I
was told there was a rule, I submitted it again.
As far as dilatory tactics, you are only doing 20 minutes of
amendments, so we could hardly have been prolonging it. I submitted it,
you come out with a rule that only does 20 minutes per amendment. I do
not think another 20 minutes to allow us to deal with the horrible
situation of repression in East Timor would have been a problem. To say
to them, ``Sorry, you don't count because we're mad about dilatory
tactics and we can't spare you 20 minutes,'' I think degrades the
process.
Mr. GOSS. Reclaiming my time, I would assure the gentleman I do not
believe that was the situation. I believe the Committee on Rules dealt
with what they felt they knew were amendments that had been timely
filed with us. We did not know what other amendments might have been
out there. If there had been other amendments that might have been on
the same basis as yours at the time we met, what would we have done?
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. If the gentleman would yield further, I
filed it the night before. As soon as I was told that there was a
requirement for putting an amendment in, I scribbled it out and put it
in. It was not written well, but it was submitted to the committee
before the committee voted. It had been submitted the night before and
it was submitted again before the committee voted. I cannot do any more
than that.
Mr. GOSS. Reclaiming my time, I think that the gentleman was in fact
a victim of process which was derailed by dilatory tactics.
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. It was the people of East Timor who were
the victims.
Mr. GOSS. The people of East Timor have been the victims for a long
time. I agree it is a serious problem. I recognize the gentleman
represents people from Portugal in his district. I understand his
sensitivity. I also know that other Members of this body have dealt
with the East Timor situation and reached the conclusion not to offer
the amendment.
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. GOSS. I yield to the gentleman from Missouri.
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, the whole thing about not knowing of the
amendment of the gentleman from Massachusetts, I am a little fuzzy on
that. I just cannot figure this out.
The gentleman from New York stands up here and shows us a big sign
that has the amendment of the gentleman from Massachusetts as it was
written, has now been enlarged into a sign. I assume that means that he
had that at the time.
Mr. GOSS. Reclaiming my time, the chairman did not have that big sign
at the time. I think the only reason he had it is it has become sort of
a cause celebre.
Mr. VOLKMER. The other thing I would like to ask the gentleman about,
the gentleman mentioned on the subject of Indonesia that the
gentlewoman from New York, the gentleman from Missouri, and the
gentleman from Virginia had discussed it. Was the gentleman when you
are talking about Missouri, were you talking about this gentleman?
Mr. GOSS. I was told that they had coordinated with you. If that is
not true, then I am misinformed. In any even the gentlewoman from New
York [Mrs. Lowey] and the gentleman from Virginia [Mr.
Wolf] apparently did have such an amendment.
Mr. VOLKMER. We had discussed it. I just wanted to make sure you were
talking about this gentleman and not someone else from Missouri. But I
also had an amendment on Indonesia that I had planned to offer. I did
not, as a result of a discussion that I had with the chairman of the
subcommittee, but that should not preclude any other Members if they
wished to offer it.
Mr. GOSS. I agree. I think what happened clearly was there was the
thought, the expectation, that others were going to offer the
amendment, and it did not happen and we got into this dilatory process.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. GOSS. I yield to the gentleman from Ohio.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. I thank my friend the gentleman from Florida for
yielding.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to close by saying that we did really have a
discussion on the Frank amendment. As a matter of fact, it was offered
in committee, we had a vote on it, the vote was 6 to 3, I think it was
the last vote that we took, and all 6 Republicans voted against it and
the 3 Democrats voted for it. So there was a discussion. It was not
something that we did not have a chance to really talk about. We
discussed it and we voted on it.
Mr. GOSS. Reclaiming my time, the gentleman is absolutely right, of
course. The concern we have is there were other Republicans who also
said, ``Look, we have got things we want to put in there, too.'' I just
said that I had another Haiti amendment.
The line was drawn and said, what we have got is what is in; if we
start opening up, then you are going to find all kinds of little notes
all over this place. People have said, ``I had intended to do that, had
I only known.'' You have to draw the line somewhere. I think we drew it
fairly. I think we tried to give fair treatment to the four that we
have provided for in here.
Mr. Speaker, in closing I wanted to point out that there are some
alarming things going on. I read the distinguished minority whip, the
gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Bonior], in the New York Times as saying
about these dilatory tactics that ``We're going to keep this up until
we get justice.'' I would say that you want to be careful about
justice. Sometimes when you pray for it, you get it.
I think when you look at some of the ways that we are trying to
accommodate the minority, that we are doing better than in fact was the
case when we were in the minority. It is something we are all aware of.
We are determined to try to do better and be fairer.
If we are abused by dilatory tactics, obviously we are going to have
to take appropriate countermeasures because we have the Nation's
business to attend to. I read this morning in Congress Daily, I was
unhappy to read it, a statement by the minority leader, the gentleman
from Missouri [Mr. Gephardt], that says, ``We continue to be deeply
concerned about the Republican leadership's attempt to stack the Ways
and Means Committee.''
We disposed of that yesterday. I suppose I should say I am
astonished, shocked, dismayed, incredulous about the minority leader's
statement, but I am not speechless about it. The fact is that the
Committee on Ways and Means minority is getting better treatment under
this majority than the other way around, on a percentage basis.
Mr. VOLKMER. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The gentleman is not
speaking on the rule.
Mr. GOSS. In fact I am speaking on the rule, Mr. Speaker, because
what I am talking about is the rule that we have had to put in place is
exactly because we have run into problems that we did not anticipate
and I am sorry that we have. I am saying that the Committee on Rules
will be forced to consider shutting down some of the openness of debate
that we strive for and want to have to get the Nation's business done
if we are subjected to meaningless, wasteful, dilatory tactics. That is
just the fact.
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I urge the passage of this resolution.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the
previous question on the resolution.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). The question is on ordering the
previous question.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground
that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum
is not present.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
Pursuant to clause 5(b)(1) of rule XV, the minimum time for
electronic voting on adoption of the resolution, if ordered, will be
reduced to 5 minutes.
The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 236,
nays 162, not voting 36, as follows:
[Roll No. 478]
YEAS--236
Allard
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baker (CA)
Baker (LA)
Ballenger
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bateman
Bereuter
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bliley
Blute
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Brownback
Bryant (TN)
Bunn
Bunning
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Canady
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Christensen
Chrysler
Clinger
Coble
Coburn
Collins (GA)
Combest
Cooley
Cox
Crane
Crapo
Cremeans
Cubin
Cunningham
Davis
Deal
DeLay
Diaz-Balart
Dickey
Doolittle
Dornan
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Emerson
English
Ensign
Everett
Ewing
Farr
Fawell
Fields (TX)
Flanagan
Foley
Forbes
Fowler
Fox
Franks (CT)
Franks (NJ)
Frelinghuysen
Frisa
Funderburk
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goodlatte
Goodling
Goss
Graham
Greenwood
Gunderson
Gutknecht
Hall (TX)
Hancock
Hansen
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Heineman
Herger
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hoke
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hunter
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inglis
Istook
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Kasich
Kelly
Kim
King
Kingston
Klug
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Largent
Latham
LaTourette
Laughlin
Lazio
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Lightfoot
Linder
Livingston
LoBiondo
Longley
Lucas
Manzullo
Martini
McCollum
McCrery
McDade
McHugh
McInnis
McIntosh
McKeon
Metcalf
Meyers
Mica
Miller (FL)
Molinari
Moorhead
Morella
Myers
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neumann
Ney
Norwood
Nussle
Oxley
Packard
Parker
Paxon
Petri
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce
Quillen
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Riggs
Roberts
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roth
Roukema
Royce
Salmon
Sanford
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaefer
Schiff
Seastrand
Sensenbrenner
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Shuster
Skeen
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Solomon
Souder
Spence
Stearns
Stockman
Stump
Talent
Tate
Tauzin
Taylor (NC)
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Torkildsen
Upton
Volkmer
Vucanovich
Waldholtz
Walker
Walsh
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
White
Whitfield
Wicker
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Zeliff
Zimmer
NAYS--162
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Baesler
Baldacci
Barcia
Barrett (WI)
Becerra
Beilenson
Bentsen
Berman
Bevill
Bonior
Borski
Boucher
Brewster
Browder
Brown (CA)
Brown (OH)
Bryant (TX)
Cardin
Chapman
Clement
Coleman
Condit
Costello
Coyne
Cramer
Danner
de la Garza
DeFazio
DeLauro
Dellums
Deutsch
Dicks
Dingell
Dixon
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Durbin
Edwards
Engel
Eshoo
Evans
Fazio
Fields (LA)
Filner
Foglietta
Frank (MA)
Furse
Gejdenson
Gephardt
Geren
Gibbons
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green
Gutierrez
Hall (OH)
Hamilton
Harman
Hefner
Hinchey
Holden
Hoyer
Jackson-Lee
Jacobs
Johnson (SD)
Johnston
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (MA)
Kennedy (RI)
Kennelly
Kildee
Kleczka
Klink
LaFalce
Lantos
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lincoln
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Luther
Maloney
Manton
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy
McDermott
McHale
McNulty
Meehan
Meek
Menendez
Miller (CA)
Mineta
Minge
Mink
Mollohan
Montgomery
Moran
Murtha
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Orton
Pallone
Pastor
Payne (VA)
Pelosi
Peterson (FL)
Pickett
Pomeroy
Poshard
Rahall
Reed
Richardson
Rivers
Roemer
Roybal-Allard
Sabo
Sanders
Sawyer
Schroeder
Schumer
Serrano
Sisisky
Skaggs
Skelton
Slaughter
Spratt
Stark
Stenholm
Studds
Stupak
Tanner
Taylor (MS)
Tejeda
Thompson
Thornton
Thurman
Torres
Torricelli
Traficant
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Ward
Waters
Waxman
Williams
Wilson
Wise
Woolsey
Wyden
NOT VOTING--36
Andrews
Bishop
Brown (FL)
Clay
Clayton
Clyburn
Collins (IL)
Collins (MI)
Conyers
Fattah
Flake
Ford
Frost
Hastings (FL)
Hilliard
Jefferson
Johnson, E. B.
McKinney
Mfume
Moakley
Nadler
Owens
Payne (NJ)
Peterson (MN)
Rangel
Reynolds
Rose
Rush
Scott
Stokes
Towns
Tucker
Watt (NC)
Watts (OK)
Wynn
Yates
{time} 1135
Mr. SALMON and Mr. YOUNG of Alaska changed their vote from ``nay'' to
``yea.''
So the previous question was ordered.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
personal explanation
Mr. WATTS of Oklahoma. Mr. Speaker, on rollcall No. 478, I was
meeting with constituents and inadvertently missed the vote. Had I been
present, I would have voted ``yes.''
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote by which the
previous question was ordered.
motion to table offered by Mr. Goss
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I move to lay the motion to reconsider the
vote on the table.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). The question is on the motion
offered by the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Goss] to lay on the table
the motion to reconsider offered by the gentleman from Missouri [Mr.
Volkmer].
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
recorded vote
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. This is a 15-minute vote followed by a 5-
minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 235,
noes 167, not voting 32, as follows:
[Roll No. 479]
AYES--235
Allard
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baker (CA)
Baker (LA)
Ballenger
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bateman
Bereuter
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bliley
Blute
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Brownback
Bryant (TN)
Bunn
Bunning
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Canady
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Christensen
Chrysler
Clinger
Coble
Coburn
Collins (GA)
Combest
Cooley
Cox
Crane
Crapo
Cremeans
Cubin
Cunningham
Davis
Deal
DeLay
Diaz-Balart
Dickey
Dingell
Doolittle
Dornan
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Emerson
English
Everett
Ewing
Fawell
Fields (TX)
Flanagan
Foley
Forbes
Fowler
Fox
Franks (CT)
Franks (NJ)
Frelinghuysen
Frisa
Funderburk
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goodlatte
Goss
Graham
Greenwood
Gunderson
Gutknecht
Hall (TX)
Hancock
Hansen
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Heineman
Herger
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hoke
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hunter
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inglis
Istook
Jacobs
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Kasich
Kelly
Kim
King
Kingston
Klug
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Largent
Latham
LaTourette
Laughlin
Lazio
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Lightfoot
Linder
Livingston
LoBiondo
Longley
Lucas
Manzullo
Martini
McCollum
McCrery
McDade
McHugh
McInnis
McKeon
Metcalf
Meyers
Mica
Miller (FL)
Molinari
Moorhead
Morella
Myers
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neumann
Ney
Norwood
Nussle
Oxley
Packard
Parker
Paxon
Petri
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce
Quillen
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
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Riggs
Roberts
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roth
Roukema
Royce
Salmon
Sanford
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaefer
Schiff
Seastrand
Sensenbrenner
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Shuster
Skeen
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Solomon
Souder
Spence
Stearns
Stockman
Stump
Talent
Tate
Tauzin
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Torkildsen
Upton
Vucanovich
Waldholtz
Walker
Walsh
Wamp
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
White
Whitfield
Wicker
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Zeliff
Zimmer
NOES--167
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Baesler
Baldacci
Barcia
Barrett (WI)
Becerra
Beilenson
Bentsen
Berman
Bevill
Bonior
Borski
Boucher
Brewster
Browder
Brown (CA)
Brown (OH)
Bryant (TX)
Cardin
Chapman
Clement
Coleman
Condit
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cramer
Danner
de la Garza
DeFazio
DeLauro
Dellums
Deutsch
Dicks
Dixon
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Durbin
Edwards
Engel
Ensign
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fazio
Fields (LA)
Filner
Foglietta
Frank (MA)
Furse
Gejdenson
Gephardt
Geren
Gibbons
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green
Gutierrez
Hall (OH)
Hamilton
Harman
Hefner
Hinchey
Holden
Hoyer
Jackson-Lee
Johnson (SD)
Johnston
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (MA)
Kennedy (RI)
Kennelly
Kildee
Kleczka
Klink
LaFalce
Lantos
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lincoln
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Luther
Maloney
Manton
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy
McDermott
McHale
McNulty
Meehan
Meek
Menendez
Mfume
Miller (CA)
Mineta
Minge
Mink
Mollohan
Montgomery
Moran
Murtha
Nadler
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Orton
Pallone
Pastor
Payne (VA)
Pelosi
Peterson (FL)
Peterson (MN)
Pickett
Pomeroy
Poshard
Rahall
Reed
Richardson
Rivers
Roemer
Rose
Roybal-Allard
Sabo
Sanders
Sawyer
Schroeder
Schumer
Serrano
Sisisky
Skaggs
Skelton
Slaughter
Spratt
Stark
Stenholm
Studds
Stupak
Tanner
Tejeda
Thompson
Thornton
Thurman
Torres
Torricelli
Traficant
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Volkmer
Ward
Waters
Waxman
Williams
Wilson
Wise
Woolsey
Wyden
NOT VOTING--32
Andrews
Bishop
Brown (FL)
Clay
Clayton
Clyburn
Collins (IL)
Collins (MI)
Fattah
Flake
Ford
Frost
Goodling
Hastings (FL)
Hilliard
Jefferson
Johnson, E. B.
McIntosh
McKinney
Moakley
Owens
Payne (NJ)
Rangel
Reynolds
Rush
Scott
Stokes
Towns
Tucker
Watt (NC)
Wynn
Yates
{time} 1154
So the motion to table was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). The question is on the
resolution.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
recorded vote
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. This will be a 5-minute vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 246,
noes 156, not voting 32, as follows:
[Roll No. 480]
AYES--246
Allard
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baker (CA)
Baker (LA)
Ballenger
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bateman
Bereuter
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bliley
Blute
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Brownback
Bryant (TN)
Bunn
Bunning
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Canady
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Christensen
Chrysler
Clinger
Coble
Coburn
Collins (GA)
Combest
Cooley
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crapo
Cremeans
Cubin
Cunningham
Davis
Deal
DeLay
Diaz-Balart
Dickey
Doolittle
Dornan
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Emerson
Engel
English
Ensign
Everett
Ewing
Fawell
Fields (TX)
Flanagan
Foley
Forbes
Fowler
Fox
Franks (CT)
Franks (NJ)
Frelinghuysen
Frisa
Funderburk
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Geren
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goodlatte
Goodling
Goss
Graham
Greenwood
Gunderson
Gutknecht
Hall (TX)
Hancock
Hansen
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Heineman
Herger
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hoke
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hunter
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inglis
Istook
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Kasich
Kelly
Kim
King
Kingston
Klug
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Largent
Latham
LaTourette
Laughlin
Lazio
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Lightfoot
Lincoln
Linder
Livingston
LoBiondo
Longley
Lucas
Manzullo
Martini
McCollum
McCrery
McDade
McHugh
McInnis
McIntosh
McKeon
Metcalf
Meyers
Mica
Miller (FL)
Molinari
Montgomery
Moorhead
Moran
Morella
Myers
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neumann
Ney
Norwood
Nussle
Oxley
Packard
Parker
Paxon
Petri
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce
Quillen
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Riggs
Roberts
Roemer
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roth
Roukema
Royce
Salmon
Sanford
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaefer
Schiff
Seastrand
Sensenbrenner
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Shuster
Sisisky
Skeen
Skelton
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Solomon
Souder
Spence
Stearns
Stenholm
Stockman
Stump
Talent
Tate
Tauzin
Taylor (NC)
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Torkildsen
Traficant
Upton
Vucanovich
Waldholtz
Walker
Walsh
Wamp
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
White
Whitfield
Wicker
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Zeliff
Zimmer
NOES--156
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Baesler
Baldacci
Barcia
Barrett (WI)
Becerra
Beilenson
Bentsen
Berman
Bevill
Bonior
Borski
Boucher
Brewster
Brown (CA)
Brown (OH)
Bryant (TX)
Cardin
Chapman
Clement
Coleman
Condit
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Danner
de la Garza
DeFazio
DeLauro
Dellums
Deutsch
Dicks
Dingell
Dixon
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Durbin
Edwards
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fazio
Fields (LA)
Filner
Foglietta
Ford
Frank (MA)
Furse
Gejdenson
Gibbons
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green
Gutierrez
Hall (OH)
Hamilton
Harman
Hefner
Hinchey
Holden
Hoyer
Jackson-Lee
Jacobs
Johnson (SD)
Johnston
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (MA)
Kennedy (RI)
Kennelly
Kildee
Kleczka
Klink
LaFalce
Lantos
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Luther
Maloney
Manton
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy
McDermott
McHale
McNulty
Meehan
Meek
Menendez
Mfume
Miller (CA)
Mineta
Minge
Mink
Mollohan
Murtha
Nadler
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Orton
Pallone
Pastor
Payne (VA)
Pelosi
Peterson (FL)
Peterson (MN)
Pickett
Pomeroy
Poshard
Rahall
Reed
Richardson
Rivers
Rose
Roybal-Allard
Sabo
Sanders
Sawyer
Schroeder
Schumer
Skaggs
Slaughter
Spratt
Stark
Studds
Stupak
Tanner
Taylor (MS)
Tejeda
Thompson
Thornton
Thurman
Torres
Torricelli
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Volkmer
Ward
Waters
Waxman
Williams
Wilson
Wise
Woolsey
Wyden
NOT VOTING--32
Andrews
Bishop
Browder
Brown (FL)
Clay
Clayton
Clyburn
Collins (IL)
Collins (MI)
Fattah
Flake
Frost
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Hilliard
Jefferson
Johnson, E. B.
McKinney
Moakley
Owens
Payne (NJ)
Rangel
Reynolds
Rush
Scott
Serrano
Stokes
Towns
Tucker
Watt (NC)
Wynn
Yates
{time} 1203
So the resolution was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). Without objection, a motion to
reconsider is laid on the table.
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I object.
Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote.
motion to table offered by mr. goss
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the motion.
The Clerk read as follows:
Mr. Goss moves to lay the motion to reconsider on the
table.
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The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the
gentleman from Florida [Mr. Goss] to lay on the table the motion to
reconsider.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
recorded vote
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
A recorded vote was ordered.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 248,
noes 153, not voting 33, as follows:
[Roll No. 481]
AYES--248
Allard
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baker (CA)
Baker (LA)
Ballenger
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bateman
Bereuter
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bliley
Blute
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Boucher
Brewster
Brownback
Bryant (TN)
Bunn
Bunning
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Canady
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Christensen
Chrysler
Clinger
Coble
Coburn
Collins (GA)
Combest
Condit
Cooley
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crapo
Cremeans
Cubin
Cunningham
Davis
Deal
DeLay
Diaz-Balart
Dickey
Dooley
Doolittle
Dornan
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Emerson
Engel
English
Ensign
Everett
Ewing
Fawell
Fields (TX)
Flanagan
Foley
Forbes
Fowler
Fox
Franks (CT)
Franks (NJ)
Frelinghuysen
Frisa
Funderburk
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Geren
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goodlatte
Goodling
Goss
Graham
Greenwood
Gunderson
Gutknecht
Hall (TX)
Hancock
Hansen
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Heineman
Herger
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hoke
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hunter
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inglis
Istook
Jacobs
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Kasich
Kelly
Kim
King
Kingston
Klug
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Largent
Latham
LaTourette
Laughlin
Lazio
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Lightfoot
Lincoln
Linder
Livingston
LoBiondo
Longley
Lucas
Manzullo
Martini
McCollum
McCrery
McDade
McHugh
McInnis
McIntosh
McKeon
Metcalf
Meyers
Mica
Miller (FL)
Molinari
Montgomery
Moorhead
Myers
Nethercutt
Neumann
Ney
Norwood
Nussle
Oxley
Packard
Parker
Paxon
Peterson (MN)
Petri
Pickett
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce
Quillen
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Riggs
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roth
Roukema
Royce
Salmon
Sanford
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaefer
Schiff
Seastrand
Sensenbrenner
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Shuster
Sisisky
Skeen
Skelton
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Solomon
Souder
Spence
Stearns
Stenholm
Stockman
Stump
Talent
Tate
Tauzin
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Torkildsen
Upton
Vucanovich
Waldholtz
Walker
Walsh
Wamp
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
White
Whitfield
Wicker
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Zeliff
Zimmer
NOES--153
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Baesler
Baldacci
Barcia
Barrett (WI)
Becerra
Beilenson
Bentsen
Berman
Bevill
Bonior
Borski
Browder
Brown (CA)
Brown (OH)
Bryant (TX)
Cardin
Chapman
Clement
Coleman
Collins (IL)
Costello
Coyne
de la Garza
DeFazio
DeLauro
Dellums
Deutsch
Dicks
Dingell
Dixon
Doggett
Doyle
Durbin
Edwards
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fazio
Fields (LA)
Filner
Foglietta
Ford
Frank (MA)
Furse
Gejdenson
Gibbons
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green
Gutierrez
Hall (OH)
Hamilton
Harman
Hefner
Hinchey
Holden
Hoyer
Jackson-Lee
Johnson (SD)
Johnston
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (MA)
Kennedy (RI)
Kennelly
Kildee
Kleczka
Klink
LaFalce
Lantos
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Luther
Maloney
Manton
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy
McDermott
McHale
McNulty
Meehan
Meek
Menendez
Mfume
Miller (CA)
Mineta
Minge
Mink
Mollohan
Moran
Murtha
Nadler
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Orton
Pallone
Pastor
Payne (VA)
Pelosi
Peterson (FL)
Pomeroy
Poshard
Rahall
Reed
Richardson
Rivers
Roemer
Rose
Roybal-Allard
Sabo
Sanders
Sawyer
Schroeder
Schumer
Serrano
Skaggs
Slaughter
Spratt
Stark
Studds
Stupak
Tanner
Tejeda
Thompson
Thornton
Thurman
Torres
Torricelli
Traficant
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Volkmer
Ward
Waters
Waxman
Williams
Wilson
Wise
Woolsey
Wyden
Wynn
NOT VOTING--33
Andrews
Bishop
Brown (FL)
Clay
Clayton
Clyburn
Collins (MI)
Conyers
Danner
Fattah
Flake
Frost
Gephardt
Hastings (FL)
Hilliard
Jefferson
Johnson, E. B.
McKinney
Moakley
Morella
Myrick
Owens
Payne (NJ)
Rangel
Reynolds
Roberts
Rush
Scott
Stokes
Towns
Tucker
Watt (NC)
Yates
{time} 1222
So the motion to table was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
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