[Congressional Record Volume 141, Number 111 (Tuesday, July 11, 1995)]
[House]
[Pages H6746-H6755]
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 PROVIDING FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 1868, FOREIGN OPERATIONS, 
    EXPORT FINANCING, AND RELATED PROGRAMS APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 1996

  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call 
up House Resolution 177 and ask for its immediate consideration.
  The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:

                              H. Res. 177

       Resolved, That during further consideration of H.R. 1868 
     pursuant to House Resolution 170, consideration of the bill 
     for amendment in the Committee of the Whole House on the 
     state of the Union shall proceed without intervening motion 
     except the amendments printed in the report of the Committee 
     on Rules accompanying this resolution. Each of those 
     amendments may be considered only in the order printed in the 
     report, may be offered only by a Member designated in the 
     report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for 
     twenty minutes equally divided and controlled by the 
     proponent and an opponent, shall not be subject to amendment, 
     and shall not be subject to a demand for division of the 
     question in the House or in the Committee of the Whole. All 
     points of order against amendments printed in the report are 
     waived. The chairman of the Committee of the Whole may 
     postpone until a time during further consideration in the 
     Committee of the Whole a request for a recorded vote on any 
     amendment made in order by this resolution. The chairman of 
     the Committee of the Whole may reduce to not less than five 
     minutes the time for voting by electronic device on any 
     postponed question that immediately follows another vote by 
     electronic device without intervening business, provided that 
     the time for voting by electronic device on the first in any 
     series of questions shall be not less than fifteen minutes. 
     Immediately after disposition of the amendments printed in 
     the report, the Committee shall rise and report the bill to 
     the House with such amendments as may have been adopted.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). The gentleman from Florida [Mr. 
Goss] is recognized for 1 hour.
  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, for purposes of debate only, I yield the 
customary 30 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Ohio [Mr. 
Hall] pending which time I yield myself such time as I may consume. 
During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the 
purpose of debate only.
  (Mr. GOSS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks and to include extraneous material.)
  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I think before we start the proceedings this 
morning that we all want to be reminded of the fact that our good 
friend and colleague, the ranking member of the Committee on Rules, the 
gentleman from Massachusetts, Joe Moakley, is in the hospital. We wish 
him Godspeed and early return and all good health.
  Mr. Speaker, in the week leading up to the Fourth of July break, we 
witnessed one of the longest campaigns of dilatory floor tactics in the 
recent history of the House of Representatives. That campaign 
continues. Yesterday's Roll Call quotes a minority leadership aide as 
saying, ``We are blowing up the House on Monday.'' Well, it is Tuesday 
and we are still here, and we are pleased about that.
  The minority Members have made references to guerilla warfare. Mr. 
Speaker, these are not the sentiments of the people of the United 
States who are interested in working for the national interest. 
Unfortunately, it is clear that the minority has decided to hold the 
foreign operations bill and possibly other legislation hostage in order 
to grandstand on what is an extraneous issue and now one that I hope is 
behind us and resolved.
  To anyone who still has questions about the matter of committee 
ratios, I simply urge them to look at the history of ratios in the 
House under Democratic rule. I think the evidence very clearly shows, 
as we pointed out in debate yesterday, that the Republicans indeed are 
more generous to the minority on the Committee on Ways and Means than 
we have experienced when it was the other way around. So let us end 
that discussion and get on with the business.
  Mr. Speaker, the majority is here to do the people's business and 
today that business is the passage of the foreign operations 
appropriations bill. Reluctantly, I am here with a second rule, a rule 
that will enable us to finish this bill and continue the important work 
of considering appropriations bills. As we all know, we have many left 
to go before the August recess.
  As Members are aware, under the rules of the House, limitation 
amendments to appropriation bills are subject to the majority leader's 
motion to rise. In fact, we could cut off all debate here and now and 
proceed to final passage. But at this point we choose not to do that. 
But it is an important point, so let me restate it. Under the rules, we 
could end the
 amending process right now. But we are not going to do that. Instead 
we have crafted a rule to ensure that the four pending amendments are 
protected and each one has adequate debate time.

  To those who may rise to claim that this rule is not fair, I would 
point out the hours upon hours that this body has spent voting on 
unnecessary motions already on this appropriations bill, procedural 
motions, dilatory motions, time that could have been used to finish the 
bill under a completely open rule.
  By calculations of the chairman of the Committee on Rules, if I have 
read his quotes right, so far 27 hours have been used in debate on 
this, which is 5 more than we used to debate Desert Storm in 1991, and 
that involved hostile open warfare.
  This rule strikes an important balance between the rights of Members 
to offer amendments, most notably the three Democrat Members, I say the 
three Democrat Members who still have amendments pending are being 
provided for under this rule, and one other amendment as well, and the 
need to finish consideration of this legislation in a timely manner, 
which is our responsibility.
  I think this is the right balance. It allows those who had amendments 
pending to complete the business of this bill. It does get the bill 
moving. I urge my colleagues to support the rule.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may 
consume.
  (Mr. HALL of Ohio asked and was given permission to revise and extend 
his remarks and to include extraneous material.)
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to House 
Resolution 177, the second rule on the foreign operations 
appropriations bill for fiscal year 1996. Approximately 2 weeks ago, on 
June 22 when we were debating the first rule on this bill, I stood here 
and commended my colleagues on the other side of the aisle for 
reporting an essentially open rule. Now, after several days of full and 
fair debate on many important amendments under the 5 minute rule, we 
are suddenly closing down the process.
  Under this new rule, only the four amendments specified in the 
accompanying rules report may be offered. These are amendments by Mr. 
Engel, Ms. Jackson-Lee, Mr. Volkmer, and Mr. Smith of New Jersey. They 
are debatable for only 20 minutes each, equally divided between an 
opponent and proponent. Members will not be able to strike the last 
word and continue debating the merits of these amendments. No Member 
may offer any other amendment, regardless of how meritorious it may be.
  Mr. Speaker, this is no way to do business. I have stated before that 
some bills may require a structured rule, I have, in fact, supported 
structured rules on foreign operations appropriations bills in the 
past. However, if we are going to structure a rule, it 

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should be done from the beginning and in an upfront way. Changing the 
rules in the middle of the game is not fair to Members who may have 
been legitimately planning to draft amendments, but are now precluded 
from doing so. Early on we were promised an open rule on this bill and 
that promise should be kept.
  In my opinion, we have seen some very good debate
   has taken place in this body over amendments which sometimes went 
for 2 or even 3 hours. I think that is good. I think our constituents 
want us to think about what we are doing with their money and to debate 
it fully before we act hastily. My own children's amendment to transfer 
$108 million in funds to the new Child Survival Fund and to include 
basic education activities for millions of poor children overseas was 
the subject of meaningful debate and drew support from both sides of 
the aisle. I regret that other Members may not have an equal 
opportunity to offer their ideas in amendment form.

  I am also concerned that under this rule, Mr. Frank will not be 
allowed to offer his amendment to withhold funds to Indonesia. The 
Frank amendment addresses a very severe human rights issue of 
repression against the people of East Timor. This is a subject that 
should certainly be addressed in the context of our country's foreign 
aid expenditures.
  Finally, Mr. Speaker, as I indicated during the debate on the 
American Overseas Interests Act, the International Affairs budget 
represents only 1.3 percent of total Federal spending. It has already 
been cut by 40 percent since 1985. As this bill was reported to the 
floor the fund for Africa absorbed a 21-percent cut, and another 40 
percent was squeezed out of development aid. Funds in these areas go 
for self-help, preventive programs which actually save money down the 
road. This is a story we need to tell the American people. And to tell 
our story properly we should do it in a timely and deliberative manner.
  I do plan to vote ``no'' on this rule and I urge my colleagues to 
join me to oppose it.
  Mr. Speaker, I include for the Record the following information.

                FLOOR PROCEDURE IN THE 104TH CONGRESS; COMPILED BY THE RULES COMMITTEE DEMOCRATS                
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                       Process used for floor      Amendments in
        Bill No.                  Title            Resolution No.           consideration              order    
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
H.R. 1*................  Compliance.............  H. Res. 6         Closed......................           None.
H. Res. 6..............  Opening Day Rules        H. Res. 5         Closed; contained a closed             None.
                          Package.                                   rule on H.R. 1 within the                  
                                                                     closed rule.                               
H.R. 5*................  Unfunded Mandates......  H. Res. 38        Restrictive; Motion adopted             N/A.
                                                                     over Democratic objection                  
                                                                     in the Committee of the                    
                                                                     Whole to limit debate on                   
                                                                     section 4; Pre-printing                    
                                                                     gets preference.                           
H.J. Res. 2*...........  Balanced Budget........  H. Res. 44        Restrictive; only certain            2R; 4D.
                                                                     substitutes.                               
H. Res. 43.............  Committee Hearings       H. Res. 43 (OJ)   Restrictive; considered in              N/A.
                          Scheduling.                                House no amendments.                       
H.R. 2*................  Line Item Veto.........  H. Res. 55        Open; Pre-printing gets                 N/A.
                                                                     preference.                                
H.R. 665*..............  Victim Restitution Act   H. Res. 61        Open; Pre-printing gets                 N/A.
                          of 1995.                                   preference.                                
H.R. 666*..............  Exclusionary Rule        H. Res. 60        Open; Pre-printing gets                 N/A.
                          Reform Act of 1995.                        preference.                                
H.R. 667*..............  Violent Criminal         H. Res. 63        Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap            N/A.
                          Incarceration Act of                       on amendments.                             
                          1995.                                                                                 
H.R. 668*..............  The Criminal Alien       H. Res. 69        Open; Pre-printing gets                 N/A.
                          Deportation                                preference; Contains self-                 
                          Improvement Act.                           executing provision.                       
H.R. 728*..............  Local Government Law     H. Res. 79        Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap            N/A.
                          Enforcement Block                          on amendments; Pre-printing                
                          Grants.                                    gets preference.                           
H.R. 7*................  National Security        H. Res. 83        Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap            N/A.
                          Revitalization Act.                        on amendments; Pre-printing                
                                                                     gets preference.                           
H.R. 729*..............  Death Penalty/Habeas...  N/A               Restrictive; brought up                 N/A.
                                                                     under UC with a 6 hr. time                 
                                                                     cap on amendments.                         
S. 2...................  Senate Compliance......  N/A               Closed; Put on Suspension              None.
                                                                     Calendar over Democratic                   
                                                                     objection.                                 
H.R. 831...............  To Permanently Extend    H. Res. 88        Restrictive; makes in order              1D.
                          the Health Insurance                       only the Gibbons amendment;                
                          Deduction for the Self-                    Waives all points of order;                
                          Employed.                                  Contains self-executing                    
                                                                     provision.                                 
H.R. 830*..............  The Paperwork Reduction  H. Res. 91        Open........................            N/A.
                          Act.                                                                                  
H.R. 889...............  Emergency Supplemental/  H. Res. 92        Restrictive; makes in order              1D.
                          Rescinding Certain                         only the Obey substitute.                  
                          Budget Authority.                                                                     
H.R. 450*..............  Regulatory Moratorium..  H. Res. 93        Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap            N/A.
                                                                     on amendments; Pre-printing                
                                                                     gets preference.                           
H.R. 1022*.............  Risk Assessment........  H. Res. 96        Restrictive; 10 hr. Time Cap            N/A.
                                                                     on amendments.                             
H.R. 926*..............  Regulatory Flexibility.  H. Res. 100       Open........................            N/A.
H.R. 925*..............  Private Property         H. Res. 101       Restrictive; 12 hr. time cap             1D.
                          Protection Act.                            on amendments; Requires                    
                                                                     Members to pre-print their                 
                                                                     amendments in the Record                   
                                                                     prior to the bill's                        
                                                                     consideration for                          
                                                                     amendment, waives                          
                                                                     germaneness and budget act                 
                                                                     points of order as well as                 
                                                                     points of order concerning                 
                                                                     appropriating on a                         
                                                                     legislative bill against                   
                                                                     the committee substitute                   
                                                                     used as base text.                         
H.R. 1058*.............  Securities Litigation    H. Res. 105       Restrictive; 8 hr. time cap              1D.
                          Reform Act.                                on amendments; Pre-printing                
                                                                     gets preference; Makes in                  
                                                                     order the Wyden amendment                  
                                                                     and waives germaneness                     
                                                                     against it.                                
H.R. 988*..............  The Attorney             H. Res. 104       Restrictive; 7 hr. time cap             N/A.
                          Accountability Act of                      on amendments; Pre-printing                
                          1995.                                      gets preference.                           
H.R. 956*..............  Product Liability and    H. Res. 109       Restrictive; makes in order          8D; 7R.
                          Legal Reform Act.                          only 15 germane amendments                 
                                                                     and denies 64 germane                      
                                                                     amendments from being                      
                                                                     considered.                                
H.R. 1158..............  Making Emergency         H. Res. 115       Restrictive; Combines                   N/A.
                          Supplemental                               emergency H.R. 1158 &                      
                          Appropriations and                         nonemergency 1159 and                      
                          Rescissions.                               strikes the abortion                       
                                                                     provision; makes in order                  
                                                                     only pre-printed amendments                
                                                                     that include offsets within                
                                                                     the same chapter (deeper                   
                                                                     cuts in programs already                   
                                                                     cut); waives points of                     
                                                                     order against three                        
                                                                     amendments; waives cl 2 of                 
                                                                     rule XXI against the bill,                 
                                                                     cl 2, XXI and cl 7 of rule                 
                                                                     XVI against the substitute;                
                                                                     waives cl 2(e) od rule XXI                 
                                                                     against the amendments in                  
                                                                     the Record; 10 hr time cap                 
                                                                     on amendments. 30 minutes                  
                                                                     debate on each amendment.                  
H.J. Res. 73*..........  Term Limits............  H. Res. 116       Restrictive; Makes in order           1D; 3R
                                                                     only 4 amendments                          
                                                                     considered under a ``Queen                 
                                                                     of the Hill'' procedure and                
                                                                     denies 21 germane                          
                                                                     amendments from being                      
                                                                     considered.                                
H.R. 4*................  Welfare Reform.........  H. Res. 119       Restrictive; Makes in order          5D; 26R
                                                                     only 31 perfecting                         
                                                                     amendments and two                         
                                                                     substitutes; Denies 130                    
                                                                     germane amendments from                    
                                                                     being considered; The                      
                                                                     substitutes are to be                      
                                                                     considered under a ``Queen                 
                                                                     of the Hill'' procedure;                   
                                                                     All points of order are                    
                                                                     waived against the                         
                                                                     amendments.                                
H.R. 1271*.............  Family Privacy Act.....  H. Res. 125       Open........................             N/A
H.R. 660*..............  Housing for Older        H. Res. 126       Open........................             N/A
                          Persons Act.                                                                          
H.R. 1215*.............  The Contract With        H. Res. 129       Restrictive; Self Executes                1D
                          America Tax Relief Act                     language that makes tax                    
                          of 1995.                                   cuts contingent on the                     
                                                                     adoption of a balanced                     
                                                                     budget plan and strikes                    
                                                                     section 3006. Makes in                     
                                                                     order only one substitute.                 
                                                                     Waives all points of order                 
                                                                     against the bill,                          
                                                                     substitute made in order as                
                                                                     original text and Gephardt                 
                                                                     substitute.                                
H.R. 483...............  Medicare Select          H. Res. 130       Restrictive; waives cl                    1D
                          Extension.                                 2(1)(6) of rule XI against                 
                                                                     the bill; makes H.R. 1391                  
                                                                     in order as original text;                 
                                                                     makes in order only the                    
                                                                     Dingell substitute; allows                 
                                                                     Commerce Committee to file                 
                                                                     a report on the bill at any                
                                                                     time.                                      
H.R. 655...............  Hydrogen Future Act....  H. Res. 136       Open........................            N/A.
H.R. 1361..............  Coast Guard              H. Res. 139       Open; waives sections 302(f)            N/A.
                          Authorization.                             and 308(a) of the                          
                                                                     Congressional Budget Act                   
                                                                     against the bill's                         
                                                                     consideration and the                      
                                                                     committee substitute;                      
                                                                     waives cl 5(a) of rule XXI                 
                                                                     against the committee                      
                                                                     substitute.                                
H.R. 961...............  Clean Water Act........  H. Res. 140       Open; pre-printing gets                 N/A.
                                                                     preference; waives sections                
                                                                     302(f) and 602(b) of the                   
                                                                     Budget Act against the                     
                                                                     bill's consideration;                      
                                                                     waives cl 7 of rule XVI, cl                
                                                                     5(a) of rule XXI and                       
                                                                     section 302(f) of the                      
                                                                     Budget Act against the                     
                                                                     committee substitute. Makes                
                                                                     in order Shuster substitute                
                                                                     as first order of business.                
H.R. 535...............  Corning National Fish    H. Res. 144       Open........................            N/A.
                          Hatchery Conveyance                                                                   
                          Act.                                                                                  
H.R. 584...............  Conveyance of the        H. Res. 145       Open........................            N/A.
                          Fairport National Fish                                                                
                          Hatchery to the State                                                                 
                          of Iowa.                                                                              
H.R. 614...............  Conveyance of the New    H. Res. 146       Open........................             N/A
                          London National Fish                                                                  
                          Hatchery Production                                                                   
                          Facility.                                                                             
H. Con. Res. 67........  Budget Resolution......  H. Res. 149       Restrictive; Makes in order           3D; 1R
                                                                     4 substitutes under regular                
                                                                     order; Gephardt, Neumann/                  
                                                                     Solomon, Payne/Owens,                      
                                                                     President's Budget if                      
                                                                     printed in Record on 5/17/                 
                                                                     95; waives all points of                   
                                                                     order against substitutes                  
                                                                     and concurrent resolution;                 
                                                                     suspends application of                    
                                                                     Rule XLIX with respect to                  
                                                                     the resolution; self-                      
                                                                     executes Agriculture                       
                                                                     language.                                  
H.R. 1561..............  American Overseas        H. Res. 155       Restrictive; Requires                    N/A
                          Interests Act of 1995.                     amendments to be printed in                
                                                                     the Record prior to their                  
                                                                     consideration; 10 hr. time                 
                                                                     cap; waives cl 2(1)(6) of                  
                                                                     rule XI against the bill's                 
                                                                     consideration; Also waives                 
                                                                     sections 302(f), 303(a),                   
                                                                     308(a) and 402(a) against                  
                                                                     the bill's consideration                   
                                                                     and the committee amendment                
                                                                     in order as original text;                 
                                                                     waives cl 5(a) of rule XXI                 
                                                                     against the amendment;                     
                                                                     amendment consideration is                 
                                                                     closed at 2:30 p.m. on May                 
                                                                     25, 1995. Self-executes                    
                                                                     provision which removes                    
                                                                     section 2210 from the bill.                
                                                                     This was done at the                       
                                                                     request of the Budget                      
                                                                     Committee.                                 
H.R. 1530..............  National Defense         H. Res. 164       Restrictive; Makes in order      36R; 18D; 2
                          Authorization Act FY                       only the amendments printed      Bipartisan
                          1996.                                      in the report; waives all                  
                                                                     points of order against the                
                                                                     bill, substitute and                       
                                                                     amendments printed in the                  
                                                                     report. Gives the Chairman                 
                                                                     en bloc authority. Self-                   
                                                                     executes a provision which                 
                                                                     strikes section 807 of the                 
                                                                     bill; provides for an                      
                                                                     additional 30 min. of                      
                                                                     debate on Nunn-Lugar                       
                                                                     section; Allows Mr. Clinger                
                                                                     to offer a modification of                 
                                                                     his amendment with the                     
                                                                     concurrence of Ms. Collins.                
H.R. 1817..............  Military Construction    H. Res. 167       Open; waives cl. 2 and cl. 6  ..............
                          Appropriations; FY                         of rule XXI against the                    
                          1996.                                      bill; 1 hr. general debate;                
                                                                     Uses House passed budget                   
                                                                     numbers as threshold for                   
                                                                     spending amounts pending                   
                                                                     passage of Budget.                         

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H.R. 1854..............  Legislative Branch       H. Res. 169       Restrictive; Makes in order        5R; 4D; 2
                          Appropriations.                            only 11 amendments; waives       Bipartisan
                                                                     sections 302(f) and 308(a)                 
                                                                     of the Budget Act against                  
                                                                     the bill and cl. 2 and cl.                 
                                                                     6 of rule XXI against the                  
                                                                     bill. All points of order                  
                                                                     are waived against the                     
                                                                     amendments.                                
H.R. 1868..............  Foreign Operations       H. Res. 170       Open; waives cl. 2, cl.                  N/A
                          Appropriations.                            5(b), and cl. 6 of rule XXI                
                                                                     against the bill; makes in                 
                                                                     order the Gilman amendments                
                                                                     as first order of business;                
                                                                     waives all points of order                 
                                                                     against the amendments; if                 
                                                                     adopted they will be                       
                                                                     considered as original                     
                                                                     text; waives cl. 2 of rule                 
                                                                     XXI against the amendments                 
                                                                     printed in the report. Pre-                
                                                                     printing gets priority                     
                                                                     (Hall) (Menendez) (Goss)                   
                                                                     (Smith, NJ).                               
H.R. 1905..............  Energy & Water           H. Res. 171       Open; waives cl. 2 and cl. 6             N/A
                          Appropriations.                            of rule XXI against the                    
                                                                     bill; makes in order the                   
                                                                     Shuster amendment as the                   
                                                                     first order of business;                   
                                                                     waives all points of order                 
                                                                     against the amendment; if                  
                                                                     adopted it will be                         
                                                                     considered as original                     
                                                                     text. Pre-printing gets                    
                                                                     priority.                                  
H.J. Res. 79...........  Constitutional           H. Res. 173       Closed; provides one hour of             N/A
                          Amendment to Permit                        general debate and one                     
                          Congress and States to                     motion to recommit with or                 
                          Prohibit the Physical                      without instructions; if                   
                          Desecration of the                         there are instructions, the                
                          American Flag.                             MO is debatable for 1 hr.                  
H.R. 1944..............  Recissions Bill........  H. Res. 175       Restrictive; Provides for                N/A
                                                                     consideration of the bill                  
                                                                     in the House; Permits the                  
                                                                     Chairman of the                            
                                                                     Appropriations Committee to                
                                                                     offer one amendment which                  
                                                                     is unamendable; waives all                 
                                                                     points of order against the                
                                                                     amendment.                                 
H.R. 1868 (2nd rule)...  Foreign Operations       H. Res. 177       Restrictive; Provides for     ..............
                          Appropriations.                            further consideration of                   
                                                                     the bill; makes in order                   
                                                                     only the four amendments                   
                                                                     printed in the rules report                
                                                                     (20 min each). Waives all                  
                                                                     points of order against the                
                                                                     amendments; Prohibits                      
                                                                     intervening motions in the                 
                                                                     Committee of the Whole;                    
                                                                     Provides for an automatic                  
                                                                     rise and report following                  
                                                                     the disposition of the                     
                                                                     amendments.                                
* Contract Bills, 67% restrictive; 33% open. ** All legislation, 64% restrictive; 36% open. *** Restrictive     
  rules are those which limit the number of amendments which can be offered, and include so called modified open
  and modified closed rules as well as completely closed rules and rules providing for consideration in the     
  House as opposed to the Committee of the Whole. This definition of restrictive rule is taken from the         
  Republican chart of resolutions reported from the Rules Committee in the 103rd Congress. **** Not included in 
  this chart are three bills which should have been placed on the Suspension Calendar. H.R. 101, H.R. 400, H.R. 
  440.                                                                                                          


  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the 
distinguished gentleman from New Glens Falls, NY [Mr. Solomon], 
chairman of the Committee on Rules.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Sanibel, FL for 
yielding time to me.
  Mr. Speaker, the gentleman who just spoke on the other side of the 
aisle is one of my best friends in this Congress because he is one of 
our most respected Members. But I just have to take some exception to a 
couple of things he said.
  One of the things he said was that this is no way to do business. 
Well, he is right. This is no way to do business. I would just ask 
those that are watching and those in the gallery and those in the press 
to watch what happens when this rule comes to a vote. That is no way to 
do business, dilatory tactics.
  The statement made by a very prominent Democrat late last week was 
that they would blow up this place on Monday. That is no way to do 
business. All of those dilatory tactic votes that we had all last week 
interrupting the people's business, that is no way to do business. So I 
get a little agitated when I hear statements like that.
  Let me just say, to underscore some of the things that my good friend 
from Sanibel, FL has mentioned, that I really do regret things have to 
come to this juncture. We did something this year that has not been 
done in 8 years when the Democrats were in control, since 1987, and 
that is we put out a completely open rule on this foreign operations 
appropriation bill, a very controversial bill we put it out under an 
open rule so that any Member could offer amendments to this important 
piece of legislation.
  I think that as a result of that, we did have some good debates on 
various amendments, like the one by the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Hall]. 
That was a good amendment. We had a good substantial debate on it. We 
had some good interplay with second degree amendments along the way as 
well. And hopefully, the House was better able to make more informed 
and wise decisions.
  But we also had some intentionally dilatory tactics that I have just 
mentioned, including votes on frivolous motions and prolonged and 
repetitive debates that normally would not have happened. If the 
majority had put out a structured rule, we would have allowed 15 or 20 
minutes on 30 minutes on most of those amendments, and that would have 
been satisfactory in years past. But no, now the Democrats want to drag 
it out for several hours on relatively noncontroversial issues.
                              {time}  1040

  I do not think it can be said that these tactics were in protest of a 
completely open rule, Mr. Speaker. Some of it was in protest of the 
policy nature of a perfectly legitimate limitation amendment that was 
offered on Haiti. Some of it was completely unrelated to the foreign 
operations bill itself.
  When we began the final stage of the amendment process dealing with 
limitation amendments, it was the right of the majority leader to move 
that the committee rise and report at any time. That is according to 
the rules of the House. Instead, we agree to allow for the further 
consideration of limitation amendments, and debate went on under the 
regular rules of the House with no end in sight.
  Therefore, what the Appropriations Committee and our leadership 
recommended was to go back to the Committee on Rules and make in order 
the four limitation amendments that were pending when the Committee of 
the Whole last rose. We took them all, every amendment that was pending 
at that time and which was printed in the Record.
  In order to allow for these extra amendments, we also had to deal 
with the prospect of more dilatory tactics. Consequently, we have a 
rule now that limits these four amendments to 20 minutes each, a 
concession we made to the minority after initially moving that each be 
debated for 10 minutes each.
  Now I understand, Mr. Speaker, that the gentleman from Alabama, Sonny 
Callahan, who will be the manager on this side of the aisle on this 
bill when the rule brings this to the floor, is going to agree to make 
a unanimous-consent request to lengthen that period of time, at the 
request of the ranking minority member of the Committee on 
Appropriations, the gentleman from Wisconsin, Mr. Obey. We are going to 
cooperate in every way that we can, in spite of these dilatory tactics, 
which are upsetting me.
  Mr. Speaker, we have also prevented any intervening motions of the 
kind that have continuously interrupted our work on this bill over the 
last month. We have allowed for the votes on the amendments to be 
postponed and to be clustered, which was done before under the Democrat 
leadership.
  In short, Mr. Speaker, this is an eminently fair rule. It allows for 
more amendments to be considered than are required under a completely 
open rule. We have made in order three times as many Democrat 
amendments as Republicans' in this second rule, all
 that were requested and that had been preprinted in the Record. We 
have even protected them against points of order that would otherwise 
lie against some of them, which means they could have been knocked out 
without any debate on this floor.

  Mr. Speaker, the Committee on Rules has tried to be as fair as 
possible under the circumstances. We have bent over backward to allow 
for an open debate in an amendment process on a bill that has never had 
an open rule before. Yet, we have been met with demands for rollcall 
votes on the previous question to the rule, which will appear again 
here today in a few minutes, and on the adoption of a completely open 
rule.
  The minority has not been content with open rules, it seems. Instead, 
it has demanded endless debates on amendments not in order under a 
regular open amendment process.
  Mr. Speaker, the time has come to recognize that we had a full 
debate, a fair debate, and an open amendment process on this bill. We 
must bring it to a final vote, and the time to do it is right now. We 
will ultimately be judged not only on how fair and open we have been in 
arriving at a final passage on this bill, but on how well we have 
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  Let us now act like responsible legislators, the people expect us to 
do that, and conclude this debate and take a final vote. Members should 
not think that the American people are not watching out there, Mr. 
Speaker. They see these silly shenanigans that are going on here, and 
they resent it as much as I do.
  Let us get on with the people's business. Let us put these amendments 
on the floor that were pending, all of them, and let us bring them to 
vote. Then let us go to final passage.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. SOLOMON. I yield to the distinguished gentleman from Missouri, 
the home of Harry Truman.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding to me.
  Mr. Speaker, it has been brought to my attention that at the time 
that the Committee rose, before we took off for the Fourth of July, 
that there was a fifth amendment, not the fifth amendment.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, who is taking the fifth amendment around 
here?
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, a fifth amendment was pending at the desk, 
at the Reading Clerk, that was not included and made in order by this 
rule. I would just like to, out of curiosity, know why the amendment of 
the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] was not included in this 
rule. Do the Members have something against the gentleman from 
Massachusetts, or what is it?
  Mr. SOLOMON. Absolutely not, Mr. Speaker. As a matter of fact, we 
made amendments in order by the gentleman from Massachusetts many, many 
times when they were germane and to the point. That amendment was not 
pending. It had not been preprinted in the Record.
  Mr. VOLKMER. It was not preprinted.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman asked me to answer his 
question. Let me answer it and then he can respond, too.
  Mr. Speaker, I have here in front of me something I cannot read. As a 
matter of fact, I even had it magnified. This is the amendment that 
somebody brought down to the desk just before we adjourned the other 
day. But I cannot even read the amendment.
  Second, the amendment was not in order. It would have been subject to 
a point of order. Consequently, we took the three Democrat amendments 
and the one Republican amendment that had been preprinted in the 
Record, we made them in order, we waived points of order against them. 
Now they are going to be debated on this floor. That is fair, I will 
say to the gentleman.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will continue to yield, 
did the gentleman examine the Record of June 30, 1995?
  Mr. SOLOMON. No.
  Mr. VOLKMER. That amendment is included in that Congressional Record.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I would be glad to have the gentleman come 
over here and show it to me afterward.
  Mr. VOLKMER. If the gentleman will continue to yield, Mr. Speaker, he 
can read it very easily: ``None of the funds made available in this act 
may be used for assistance for Indonesia.''
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I would ask the gentleman, was that the day 
we adjourned?
  Mr. VOLKMER. Yes.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, it was not preprinted in advance in the 
Record. That is why we took all of those amendments that were 
preprinted in the Record. We went upstairs and made them in order. The 
gentleman evidently dropped it in just as we were closing that night, 
which did not qualify it, in my opinion.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will continue to yield. I 
do appreciate the gentleman making this gentleman's amendment in order. 
I want to recognize that.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman is a very respected Member of 
the House. The gentleman was diligent in filing his amendment several 
days before.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Yes.
  If the gentleman will continue to yield, the other thing I would like 
to ask of the gentleman, Mr. Speaker, just to perhaps, because the 
gentleman has
 the power, or the gentleman from Florida, to do this. They can do 
this. They can offer an amendment to the rule, amending it. I notice 
that if it is time that the gentleman is worried about, that the 
gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Callahan], who is now here, he is going to 
extend the time.

  Mr. SOLOMON. The very distinguished gentleman.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Right, the very distinguished gentleman. He is going to 
give us 10 additional minutes on each amendment. That is a total of 40 
more minutes.
  Mr. SOLOMON. That is right. He is very cooperative.
  Mr. VOLKMER. If the gentleman will yield further, what I was thinking 
of, Mr. Speaker, is rather than doing that, we can just take our 
minutes and add that other amendment in, and there is not any more 
time, and we can vote on the question of Indonesia.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I would just say to the gentleman, he 
really ought to speak to the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey]. The 
gentleman from Wisconsin was the one requesting the additional time. 
Perhaps the gentleman could work that out over there. I appreciate the 
gentleman's point of view.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman 
from Missouri. [Mr. Volkmer].
  (Mr. VOLKMER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, even though the Committee on Rules in their 
generosity has made the amendment that I had printed in the Record in 
order, I still rise strongly in opposition to this rule. I do so 
because it is another case of not letting the House act on amendments 
that are normally in order but restricting amendments by this rule.
  Mr. Speaker, I think, again, it is a case of here we go again. When 
the Congress initially started, the day after, we were sworn in on the 
4th of January, on the 5th the chairman of the Committee on Rules stood 
in that well, right at the podium on the Republican side, and talked 
about rules, and what we were going to do in rules, and how long it 
took for a bill to get out of committee, reports to be filed, and rules 
had to be done, and then the bill could come to the floor. It was very 
elaborate, very good, a very good education. Too bad there were not 
very many here to listen. This gentleman was, as the gentleman from New 
York knows.
  However, at that time, Mr. Speaker, I and the gentlewoman from 
Colorado inquired of the gentleman and lo and behold, the gentleman 
said that by the time the year was over, we were going to have 70 
percent of our rules that were going to be open rules, open rules on 
bills. Mr. Speaker, we are not even 40 percent now. Here we go again. 
This is not an open rule on this bill. It was an open rule, but it no 
longer is.
  Mr. Speaker, the next time we see this bill, I dare say the next time 
will be when we are getting ready for the train wreck, when we get all 
the appropriation bills, we get the reconciliation bill, we get the tax 
bill, we get the debt limit bill, we get all of the farm bill, and all 
of these things will be stacked up in one big bill and sent to the 
President by the majority.
  Mr. Speaker, when this occurs, everybody is going to be able to see 
what we on this side have been saying, and said it again this morning. 
It was denied again by the Gingrich Republican majority. That is that 
at that time, we are going to see the cuts in Medicare coming down the 
road. Where is the money going? We are going to see it in the tax bill. 
It is all going to be in one bill. We are going to see these big tax 
breaks for the wealthy. We are going to see our senior citizens in my 
district, where we have no HMO's, we have no HMO's, we are going to see 
them have to pay by the year 2002, or supposedly when this
 balanced budget is coming down the pike, that they are going to be 
paying over two to three times more for Medicare out of their meager 
Social Security check, so the wealthy at the same time are getting that 
$20,000 a year tax break. That is the next time Members are going to 
see this bill.

  I daresay that I think we had better recognize that this bill, along 
with all the other appropriation bills, and the big spending bills, 
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reconciliation bill, which is the one that cuts my farm programs, is 
going to cut my senior citizens programs, going to cut the school 
lunches for the kids, it is going to do all of that, and at the same 
time in that bill we are going to have a big tax break bill for the 
wealthy. That is the next time we see this bill.
  Mr. Speaker, for that reason, I am not only not going to vote for 
this rule, I am not even going to vote for the bill, because I think 
this bill is a lousy bill. I think that we ought to just send it back 
to committee and get rid of it.
  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I am privileged to yield 2 minutes to the 
distinguished gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Callahan], chairman of the 
subcommittee in the Committee on Appropriations.
  Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for his kind and 
generous allotment of time.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in total support of the rule. I want to tell all 
the Members on both sides of the aisle that throughout the entire 27 
hours of debate on this issue, I have tried diligently to work with 
both sides. I have tried to work and have worked with the gentleman 
from Texas [Mr. Wilson]. I have tried and have worked with the 
gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey]. I have assented to just about 
every request that they have made within my realm of possibility.
  Therefore, I am not going to support the four amendments that are 
offered, but, in the spirit of working together toward a resolution to 
this issue, we are going to give people the opportunity to debate them. 
I am going to ask for unanimous consent to give them even more time. I 
think we have come as far as we can come on this bill, Mr. Speaker.
  I realize the dilatory tactics that are taking place. I realize why 
they are doing it. However, at the same time I think we have dilly-
dallied long enough on this bill. I think we ought to go ahead and 
accept this rule today as it is written, so we can get on with the 
passage of this bill.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman 
from Texas [Mr. Wilson]
  Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to say that the chairman 
of the subcommittee, the gentleman from Alabama, has certainly been as 
accommodating as he possibly could. His leadership has been exemplary, 
and I think in a couple of cases when we were going through the very 
difficult times the week before last in certain cases, it was only his 
cool temperament that held things together. I would just like to make 
that note.
  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to my 
colleague and the distinguished gentleman from greater San Dimas, CA 
[Mr. Dreier], the chairman of the Subcommittee on Rules and 
Organization of the House of the Committee on Rules.
  (Mr. DREIER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I thank the distinguished chairman of the 
Subcommittee on Legislative and the Budget Process, which I understand 
is at this moment taking testimony over in the Rayburn Building, for 
yielding me this time.
  Mr. Speaker, I would like to say that it saddens me that we have come 
to the point where we have to have this rule. We have tried desperately 
to enhance the level of deliberation in this institution. On January 24 
when we put into place the opening day reforms, that was one of the 
major guides we had, to make this a deliberative body, and one might 
claim that staying up around the clock, as we did the week before last, 
was part of the deliberative process. Nothing could be further from the 
truth. We all know that the dilatory tactics that came from some of our 
very, very, very distinguished colleagues jeopardized the ability to 
deliberate over this very important piece of legislation.
  We desperately want to have every single rule open. Some have claimed 
that we have had many, many closed rules. Sixty-two percent of the 
legislation has come up under an open amendment process, as the 
chairman of the Committee on Rules has just said. We want more and more 
open rules. We have done it so far.
  However, when people are standing in the way of our responsibility to 
meet the appropriations deadlines, we have little choice other than to 
move ahead with some sort of structure with the rule. To me, as one who 
has worked and continues to this day to work on reform of the 
institution, I am very sorry that we have to in fact move forward with 
this kind of structure to the rule.
  I hope that when we go ahead with the remaining appropriations bills, 
Mr. Speaker, that we will be able to work in a bipartisan way to 
implement the kind of legislation that the American people said last 
year they wanted us to proceed with, and that I believe with a majority 
of this institution wants us to implement.
  I thank the gentleman for yielding to me, and I rise in support of 
this rule, because we have no alternative, unfortunately. I hope we 
will be able to finally bring a successful conclusion to this very 
important piece of legislation.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman 
from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank].
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, we see a continuation of the 
pattern here that when amendments are inconvenient, they are simply 
prevented from being offered. I gather there was some reference to my 
handwriting, which I will concede is not much better than my diction, 
but what happened was I have been interested in the issue of Indonesia 
and its mistreatment to the people of East Timor for some time.
  There are currently negotiations going on now between the Portuguese 
and Indonesian Governments in which the Portuguese Government is trying 
to bring some help to these beleaguered people. Having us debate this 
and perhaps adopt an amendment could be very helpful.
  As I understand it, Mr. Speaker, during the original debate, someone 
on the other side was going to offer an amendment and decided not to. 
When I learned that, I came to the floor and offered one. I had one 
that was in fact offered and it was at the desk that first night. We 
then adjourned. I later learned earlier the next day, or later the next 
day, that there was a rule that was coming and we had to submit, so I 
hastily, it is true, wrote it and submitted it. However, in fact I had 
had an amendment at the desk the night before. I submitted one the next 
day when I was told, with very little notice that it was required to do 
that.
  The question is this: Should we be allowed to debate Indonesia? When 
we talked about Haiti there was great concern for democracy on the 
other side. Indonesia now is engaging in East Timor in the worst 
repression I believe that is going on in the world, a repression that 
is as bad as any going on in the world. However, Indonesia will be 
sheltered by the Republican Party from an amendment which would put 
some pressure on them to stop the systematic denial of the rights of 
the people of East Timor.
  As I said, negotiations are now going on trying to deal with that, 
but the Republican Party is going to use its majority to keep that from 
even being debated. having done that, Mr. Speaker, when they then talk 
about their concern for human rights and democracy elsewhere, it will 
seem hollow indeed, because one of the worst cases, the Indonesian 
repression in East Timor, will go unnoticed in this actual debate.
  I would repeat, there was an amendment that was to
   be offered. When that was withdrawn, I hastily tried to make up for 
it, and they are going to repress this and protect the Indonesian 
autocracy.

  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may 
consume.
  I have no further requests for time, Mr. Speaker. I would simply like 
to say to the chairman of the subcommittee, the gentleman from Alabama 
[Mr. Callahan], that I appreciate all the turmoil and tribulation that 
he has had to go through on this bill. This is a very difficult bill, 
it always is, and he has been accommodating. He has been a gentleman, 
working with both sides of the aisle very, very well. I appreciate 
that.
  We disagree on a portion of the bill, because it has been cut 
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  I am going to support the bill. I am going to support the bill 
because of the way the gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Callahan] protected 
the children's programs relative to immunization and relative to ORT, 
oral rehydration therapy, and UNICEF and the kinds of programs that 
really affect children.
  I offered an amendment that was accepted. The gentleman from Alabama 
[Mr. Callahan], of course, did not like it. We debated it, but I 
believe that it really adds to the bill.
  I hope someday that maybe the gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Callahan] 
and I can maybe travel to some of these Third World nations together 
and see some of these programs, some of the immunization programs and 
some of the basic education programs and how they really help children 
and families develop.
  I appreciate what the gentleman has tried to do. He has had a very 
difficult task. I praise him certainly for the children's portion of 
this bill. I realize it is a difficult bill.
  I have said before that I have favored structured rules and I have 
supported them and handled them when we were in the majority. But the 
other side said that this was going to be an open rule, and I praised 
the process of an open rule, but now we are closing it down.
  There are a couple of amendments that wanted to be offered that 
cannot be offered. The gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] was 
going to offer, in my opinion, a wonderful amendment.
  I have been, with the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank], and 
even before, a proponent of taking money away from Indonesia because of 
the whole situation with the island of East Timor, which used to be a 
Portuguese colony and was taken over by Indonesia when the Portuguese 
left. Out of 700,000 people that live on the island, 200,000 people 
have been killed, in my opinion by the Indonesian Government and it is 
something that really ought to be debated.
  People ask me why do we mess around with East Timor. Nobody knows 
about it. There is no constituency in this country. It is because of 
the Nation of who we are. And if we are going to give taxpayers' moneys 
to a country that oppresses its people, then I think we ought to take a 
second look at it and have a tremendous debate and we were not able to 
really vote on this issue.
  I hope during this whole process, before the possibility of the 
previous question being defeated, maybe we could bring this up. 
Certainly I will attempt to do that, but maybe in the Senate.
  Mr. Speaker, before I close, I would urge a no vote on the previous 
question and if defeated, I would offer an amendment which would 
increase the debate time for consideration of amendments and would 
permit consideration of the Frank amendment, prohibiting funds to 
Indonesia.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. I yield to the gentleman from Massachusetts.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I have just been speaking to 
the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey], the ranking Democrat on the 
Committee on Appropriations. The gentleman tells me that someone 
wondered where he was and the gentleman would like it reported that 
where he is is in the Committee on Appropriations. Because under the 
way this House is now functioning, the Committee on Appropriations is 
meeting and the gentleman's presence is required there while the rule 
is being debated.
  The gentleman would like to be here to object to this unfair rule, 
but he has been tied down by the need to be at his committee; an 
example of how the House is not functioning very well these days.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I insert in the Record the amendment 
that I would offer to the rule, as follows:

                        Amendment to H. Res. 177

       On page 2, line 2 insert before the period ``and the 
     amendment described in Section 2 of this resolution''
       ``On page 2, line 5, strike ``twenty'' and insert 
     '`thirty''
       After the period on page 2, line 24, insert the following:
       ``Section 2. The amendment numbered 86 printed pursuant to 
     clause 6 of rule XXIII shall be considered as the printed 
     amendment numbered 5 in the report accompanying this 
     resolution to be offered by Representative Frank or his 
     designee.''

  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I have no further requests for time, 
and I yield back the balance of my time.
  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I will be the closing speaker and I just have 
a few cleanup remarks I would like to make. Much of the commentary we 
have heard has been the subject of other debate and there is no point 
in hashing it over at this point.
  Mr. Speaker, I think we are about 80 minutes away from ending a 
debate that has so far consumed 27 hours, which I point out has been 
some 5 hours more than the House spent debating Desert Storm back in 
1991. That was probably the most important vote that I have made since 
I have been a Member of Congress and I am sure many other Members would 
feel that way.
  Regarding some other points that have been made about open rules and 
so forth, I think it is fair to go back and we can put into the 
procedure, if necessary, the amendment process under the special rules 
by our Committee on Rules, and comparing the 103d and 104th Congress. 
And yes, we argue about definitions, I know. But according to, I think, 
a fair and reasonable judgment, we have, indeed, had many more open 
rules or modified open rules in the 104th Congress.
  Mr. Speaker, even I think our colleagues on the Committee on Rules on 
the other side have admitted that, although they feel maybe we are not 
doing quite as well as we hoped we would do. I think that is a subject 
of some debate, but I do not think it is debatable that we have not had 
more open rules. I think we definitely have.
  With regard to the opportunity for more amendments here, I think 
there are probably an endless array of amendments that could come up 
under the foreign operations appropriation. I certainly had a couple of 
more Haiti amendments I was ready to bring out, but I think probably 
everybody is relieved that that has not happened, since we have already 
spent 6 hours on Haiti and that is probably more than enough.
  With regard to East Timor, I had understood that the gentleman from 
Missouri [Mr. Volkmer], the gentlewoman from New York [Mrs. Lowey], and 
the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. Wolf], had all discussed this amongst 
themselves and had discussed this somewhat in the past and the fact 
that if there was a casualty on East Timor on this matter, that it is 
truly a casualty of the dilatory debate tactics. Because had it not 
been for the dilatory debate, I suspect that would have happened.
  But for the record I must state that the Committee on Rules met on 
the 29th and filed the rule on the 29th. The rule was filed. So a day 
late and a dollar short, it seems to be the situation with the 
gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank]. I am sorry that it happened.
  I suggest that the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank] should 
talk to the leadership in the Democratic Party and the minority party 
about the use of dilatory tactics.
  The other point, and my good friend, the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. 
Hall], with whom I serve very happily and proudly on the Committee on 
Rules, has said that we began with an open rule, and I am sorry we did 
not stay with an open rule. I feel exactly the same way. We did not 
begin with an understanding that we were going to have dilatory tactics 
on an entirely extraneous matter.
  I do not know what the problem really was. I do not know whether it 
was a question of Democratic unity or whether it was a question of a 
Medicaid speech or whether it was a question of really the committee 
statistics, the standings of the committees and the Ways and Means 
issue. I do not know what the issue was, but it clearly was not related 
to the foreign operations appropriation. It was extraneous, it was 
dilatory, and that is a matter of record.
  The fact that we have had a casualty here and had to close down I 
think is regrettable. I think that it is very clear where that came 
from and what the problem with it is.
  Having said all that, I think we have done our very best to make sure 
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all the amendments we did know about at the time that we filed were 
taken care of, that were timely filed and that we felt had been 
discussed one way or the other. I think we have done a very fair and 
reasonable job.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. GOSS. I yield to the gentleman from Massachusetts.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, first I want to say that to say that you are sorry that 
the East Timor situation is a victim of dilatory tactics seems to me an 
example of the kind of disproportion we can get into. We are talking 
about repression. Hurt feelings between ourselves should not get in the 
way of our being able to deal with repression.
  The amendment that I offered, I came to the floor during the first 
period of debate, found to my disappointment that people who I thought 
were going to offer that amendment had not offered it. I then offered 
it, I submitted it. It had been in fact at the desk. This is not 
something that just happened the morning after. As soon as I found out 
that that was not being submitted, I submitted it. The next day when I 
was told there was a rule, I submitted it again.
  As far as dilatory tactics, you are only doing 20 minutes of 
amendments, so we could hardly have been prolonging it. I submitted it, 
you come out with a rule that only does 20 minutes per amendment. I do 
not think another 20 minutes to allow us to deal with the horrible 
situation of repression in East Timor would have been a problem. To say 
to them, ``Sorry, you don't count because we're mad about dilatory 
tactics and we can't spare you 20 minutes,'' I think degrades the 
process.
  Mr. GOSS. Reclaiming my time, I would assure the gentleman I do not 
believe that was the situation. I believe the Committee on Rules dealt 
with what they felt they knew were amendments that had been timely 
filed with us. We did not know what other amendments might have been 
out there. If there had been other amendments that might have been on 
the same basis as yours at the time we met, what would we have done?
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. If the gentleman would yield further, I 
filed it the night before. As soon as I was told that there was a 
requirement for putting an amendment in, I scribbled it out and put it 
in. It was not written well, but it was submitted to the committee 
before the committee voted. It had been submitted the night before and 
it was submitted again before the committee voted. I cannot do any more 
than that.
  Mr. GOSS. Reclaiming my time, I think that the gentleman was in fact 
a victim of process which was derailed by dilatory tactics.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. It was the people of East Timor who were 
the victims.
  Mr. GOSS. The people of East Timor have been the victims for a long 
time. I agree it is a serious problem. I recognize the gentleman 
represents people from Portugal in his district. I understand his 
sensitivity. I also know that other Members of this body have dealt 
with the East Timor situation and reached the conclusion not to offer 
the amendment.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. GOSS. I yield to the gentleman from Missouri.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, the whole thing about not knowing of the 
amendment of the gentleman from Massachusetts, I am a little fuzzy on 
that. I just cannot figure this out.
  The gentleman from New York stands up here and shows us a big sign 
that has the amendment of the gentleman from Massachusetts as it was 
written, has now been enlarged into a sign. I assume that means that he 
had that at the time.
  Mr. GOSS. Reclaiming my time, the chairman did not have that big sign 
at the time. I think the only reason he had it is it has become sort of 
a cause celebre.
  Mr. VOLKMER. The other thing I would like to ask the gentleman about, 
the gentleman mentioned on the subject of Indonesia that the 
gentlewoman from New York, the gentleman from Missouri, and the 
gentleman from Virginia had discussed it. Was the gentleman when you 
are talking about Missouri, were you talking about this gentleman?
  Mr. GOSS. I was told that they had coordinated with you. If that is 
not true, then I am misinformed. In any even the gentlewoman from New 
York [Mrs. Lowey] and the gentleman from Virginia [Mr.
 Wolf] apparently did have such an amendment.

  Mr. VOLKMER. We had discussed it. I just wanted to make sure you were 
talking about this gentleman and not someone else from Missouri. But I 
also had an amendment on Indonesia that I had planned to offer. I did 
not, as a result of a discussion that I had with the chairman of the 
subcommittee, but that should not preclude any other Members if they 
wished to offer it.
  Mr. GOSS. I agree. I think what happened clearly was there was the 
thought, the expectation, that others were going to offer the 
amendment, and it did not happen and we got into this dilatory process.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. GOSS. I yield to the gentleman from Ohio.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. I thank my friend the gentleman from Florida for 
yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, I just want to close by saying that we did really have a 
discussion on the Frank amendment. As a matter of fact, it was offered 
in committee, we had a vote on it, the vote was 6 to 3, I think it was 
the last vote that we took, and all 6 Republicans voted against it and 
the 3 Democrats voted for it. So there was a discussion. It was not 
something that we did not have a chance to really talk about. We 
discussed it and we voted on it.
  Mr. GOSS. Reclaiming my time, the gentleman is absolutely right, of 
course. The concern we have is there were other Republicans who also 
said, ``Look, we have got things we want to put in there, too.'' I just 
said that I had another Haiti amendment.
  The line was drawn and said, what we have got is what is in; if we 
start opening up, then you are going to find all kinds of little notes 
all over this place. People have said, ``I had intended to do that, had 
I only known.'' You have to draw the line somewhere. I think we drew it 
fairly. I think we tried to give fair treatment to the four that we 
have provided for in here.
  Mr. Speaker, in closing I wanted to point out that there are some 
alarming things going on. I read the distinguished minority whip, the 
gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Bonior], in the New York Times as saying 
about these dilatory tactics that ``We're going to keep this up until 
we get justice.'' I would say that you want to be careful about 
justice. Sometimes when you pray for it, you get it.
  I think when you look at some of the ways that we are trying to 
accommodate the minority, that we are doing better than in fact was the 
case when we were in the minority. It is something we are all aware of. 
We are determined to try to do better and be fairer.
  If we are abused by dilatory tactics, obviously we are going to have 
to take appropriate countermeasures because we have the Nation's 
business to attend to. I read this morning in Congress Daily, I was 
unhappy to read it, a statement by the minority leader, the gentleman 
from Missouri [Mr. Gephardt], that says, ``We continue to be deeply 
concerned about the Republican leadership's attempt to stack the Ways 
and Means Committee.''
  We disposed of that yesterday. I suppose I should say I am 
astonished, shocked, dismayed, incredulous about the minority leader's 
statement, but I am not speechless about it. The fact is that the 
Committee on Ways and Means minority is getting better treatment under 
this majority than the other way around, on a percentage basis.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The gentleman is not 
speaking on the rule.
  Mr. GOSS. In fact I am speaking on the rule, Mr. Speaker, because 
what I am talking about is the rule that we have had to put in place is 
exactly because we have run into problems that we did not anticipate 
and I am sorry that we have. I am saying that the Committee on Rules 
will be forced to consider shutting down some of the openness of debate 
that we strive for and want to have to get the Nation's business done 
if we are subjected to meaningless, wasteful, dilatory tactics. That is 
just the fact.

[[Page H 6753]]

  I urge the passage of this resolution.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the 
previous question on the resolution.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). The question is on ordering the 
previous question.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground 
that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum 
is not present.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
  Pursuant to clause 5(b)(1) of rule XV, the minimum time for 
electronic voting on adoption of the resolution, if ordered, will be 
reduced to 5 minutes.
  The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 236, 
nays 162, not voting 36, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 478]

                               YEAS--236

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Farr
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Volkmer
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--162

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clement
     Coleman
     Condit
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Foglietta
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hefner
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Ward
     Waters
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden

                             NOT VOTING--36

     Andrews
     Bishop
     Brown (FL)
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Fattah
     Flake
     Ford
     Frost
     Hastings (FL)
     Hilliard
     Jefferson
     Johnson, E. B.
     McKinney
     Mfume
     Moakley
     Nadler
     Owens
     Payne (NJ)
     Peterson (MN)
     Rangel
     Reynolds
     Rose
     Rush
     Scott
     Stokes
     Towns
     Tucker
     Watt (NC)
     Watts (OK)
     Wynn
     Yates
                              {time}  1135

  Mr. SALMON and Mr. YOUNG of Alaska changed their vote from ``nay'' to 
``yea.''
  So the previous question was ordered.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.


                          personal explanation
  Mr. WATTS of Oklahoma. Mr. Speaker, on rollcall No. 478, I was 
meeting with constituents and inadvertently missed the vote. Had I been 
present, I would have voted ``yes.''
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote by which the 
previous question was ordered.


                  motion to table offered by Mr. Goss

  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I move to lay the motion to reconsider the 
vote on the table.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). The question is on the motion 
offered by the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Goss] to lay on the table 
the motion to reconsider offered by the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. 
Volkmer].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. This is a 15-minute vote followed by a 5-
minute vote.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 235, 
noes 167, not voting 32, as follows:
                             [Roll No. 479]

                               AYES--235

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Dingell
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula

[[Page H 6754]]

     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NOES--167

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clement
     Coleman
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Ensign
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Foglietta
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hefner
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden

                             NOT VOTING--32

     Andrews
     Bishop
     Brown (FL)
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Fattah
     Flake
     Ford
     Frost
     Goodling
     Hastings (FL)
     Hilliard
     Jefferson
     Johnson, E. B.
     McIntosh
     McKinney
     Moakley
     Owens
     Payne (NJ)
     Rangel
     Reynolds
     Rush
     Scott
     Stokes
     Towns
     Tucker
     Watt (NC)
     Wynn
     Yates

                             {time}   1154

  So the motion to table was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). The question is on the 
resolution.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. This will be a 5-minute vote.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 246, 
noes 156, not voting 32, as follows:
                             [Roll No. 480]

                               AYES--246

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     Engel
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Lincoln
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Moran
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Roemer
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NOES--156

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clement
     Coleman
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Foglietta
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hefner
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Skaggs
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden

                             NOT VOTING--32

     Andrews
     Bishop
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Fattah
     Flake
     Frost
     Gephardt
     Hastings (FL)
     Hilliard
     Jefferson
     Johnson, E. B.
     McKinney
     Moakley
     Owens
     Payne (NJ)
     Rangel
     Reynolds
     Rush
     Scott
     Serrano
     Stokes
     Towns
     Tucker
     Watt (NC)
     Wynn
     Yates

                              {time}  1203

  So the resolution was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). Without objection, a motion to 
reconsider is laid on the table.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I object.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote.


                  motion to table offered by mr. goss

  Mr. GOSS. Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk will report the motion.
  The Clerk read as follows:

       Mr. Goss moves to lay the motion to reconsider on the 
     table.


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  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from Florida [Mr. Goss] to lay on the table the motion to 
reconsider.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 248, 
noes 153, not voting 33, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 481]

                               AYES--248

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooley
     Cox
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Dooley
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     Engel
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Lincoln
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickett
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NOES--153

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bonior
     Borski
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clement
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Costello
     Coyne
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Foglietta
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hefner
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Serrano
     Skaggs
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn

                             NOT VOTING--33

     Andrews
     Bishop
     Brown (FL)
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Danner
     Fattah
     Flake
     Frost
     Gephardt
     Hastings (FL)
     Hilliard
     Jefferson
     Johnson, E. B.
     McKinney
     Moakley
     Morella
     Myrick
     Owens
     Payne (NJ)
     Rangel
     Reynolds
     Roberts
     Rush
     Scott
     Stokes
     Towns
     Tucker
     Watt (NC)
     Yates

                              {time}  1222

  So the motion to table was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  

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