[Congressional Record Volume 141, Number 110 (Monday, July 10, 1995)]
[House]
[Pages H6714-H6723]
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         ELECTION OF MEMBER TO THE COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS

  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Republican Conference, 
I offer a privileged resolution (H. Res. 183) and ask for its immediate 
consideration.
  The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:

                              H. Res. 183

       Resolved, that the following named Member be, and he is 
     hereby, elected to the following standing committee of the 
     House of Representatives:
       Committee on Ways and Means: Mr. Laughlin of Texas, to rank 
     following Mr. Portman of Ohio.

  Mr. DOGGETT. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to clause 3 of rule XVI, I raise 
the question of consideration.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is: Will the House now consider 
House Resolution 183.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 220, 
nays 176, not voting 38, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 470]

                               YEAS--220

     Allard
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Quillen
     Ramstad
     Regula

[[Page H 6715]]

     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watt (NC)
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--176

     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Doggett
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--38

     Abercrombie
     Archer
     Becerra
     Brown (CA)
     Clinger
     Dellums
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Ensign
     Fields (TX)
     Foglietta
     Frost
     Graham
     Hastings (WA)
     Hunter
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Lantos
     Lipinski
     McDade
     Mfume
     Mica
     Moakley
     Oberstar
     Payne (VA)
     Peterson (FL)
     Pryce
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Reynolds
     Rose
     Roukema
     Seastrand
     Spence
     Stenholm
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Tucker

                              {time}  1742

  So the House agreed to consider House Resolution 183.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Walker). Without objection, the motion 
to reconsider is laid on the table.
  Mr. WATT of North Carolina. Mr. Speaker, I object.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Objection is heard.
  Mr. DeLAY. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote whereby the 
question of consideration was decided.
                 motion to table offered by mr. boehner

  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I move to lay on the table the motion to 
reconsider the vote whereby the question of consideration was decided.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Boehner] to lay on the table the motion 
offered by the gentleman from Texas [Mr. DeLay] to reconsider the vote.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. WATT of North Carolina. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 222, 
noes 179, not voting 33, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 471]

                               AYES--222

     Allard
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Quillen
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NOES--179

     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Ensign
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Mica
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--33

     Abercrombie
     Archer
     Becerra
     Brown (CA)
     Clinger
     Dooley
     Fields (TX)
     Foglietta
     Frost
     Graham
     Hastings (WA)
     Hunter
     Jefferson
     Lantos
     Lipinski
     McDade
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Moakley
     Oberstar
     Payne (VA)
     Peterson (FL)
     Pryce
     Quinn

[[Page H 6716]]

     Reynolds
     Roukema
     Seastrand
     Spence
     Stenholm
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Tucker
     Williams

                              {time}  1759

  So the motion to lay the motion to reconsider the vote on the table 
was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
motion to lay the resolution on the table offered by mr. watt of north 
                                carolina

  Mr. WATT of North Carolina. Mr. Speaker, I offer a privileged motion.
  The Clerk read as follows:
  Mr. WATT of North Carolina moves to lay the resolution on the table.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Walker). The question is on the motion 
offered by the gentleman from North Carolina [Mr. Watt] to lay the 
resolution on the table.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appears to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. WATT of North Carolina. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 178, 
noes 229, not voting 27 as follows:
                             [Roll No. 472]

                               AYES--178

     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Ensign
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Ford
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                               NOES--229

     Allard
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brewster
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Quillen
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                             NOT VOTING--27

     Abercrombie
     Archer
     Becerra
     Brown (CA)
     Dooley
     Fields (TX)
     Foglietta
     Frost
     Graham
     Hunter
     Jefferson
     Lantos
     Lipinski
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Moakley
     Payne (NJ)
     Peterson (FL)
     Pryce
     Quinn
     Reynolds
     Roukema
     Spence
     Stenholm
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Tucker

                              {time}  1819

  Mr. VOLKMER changed his vote from ``present'' to ``aye.''
  So the motion to table was not agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without objection, a motion to reconsider is 
laid on the table.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I object.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Walker). Objection is heard.
  Mr DeLAY. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote.


                 motion to table offered by mr. boehner

  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker. I move to table the motion to reconsider.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Boehner] to lay on the table the motion to 
reconsider offered by the gentleman from Texas [Mr. DeLay].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 230, 
nays 180, not voting 24, as follows:
                             [Roll No. 473]

                               YEAS--230

     Allard
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brewster
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt

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     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Quillen
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tanner
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--180

     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Ensign
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E.B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--24

     Abercrombie
     Archer
     Becerra
     Brown (CA)
     Dooley
     Fields (TX)
     Foglietta
     Frost
     Graham
     Hunter
     Jefferson
     Lantos
     Lipinski
     Mfume
     Moakley
     Payne (NJ)
     Peterson (FL)
     Pryce
     Quinn
     Reynolds
     Roukema
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Tucker

                              {time}  1837

  Mr. NEUMANN and Mr. SMITH of Texas changed their vote from ``nay'' to 
``yea.''
  Mr. ENSIGN changed his vote from ``present'' to ``nay.''
  So the motion to table was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Boehner] is 
recognized for 1 hour.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield 15 
minutes to the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. Gephardt], the minority 
leader.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, as chairman of the Republican Conference, I am pleased 
to welcome the gentleman from Texas, Mr. Greg Laughlin, to our party. 
Mr. Laughlin saw fit several weeks ago to change parties here in the 
House of Representatives, and we are glad to have him on our side of 
the aisle.
  As a result, about a week and a half ago, the Republican conference 
did in fact vote by unanimous vote to place the gentleman from Texas 
[Mr. Laughlin] on the Committee on Ways and Means. To my colleagues on 
the other side of the aisle who appear to have some chagrin over the 
fact we are placing Mr. Laughlin on the Committee on Ways and Means, I 
would point out that today Republicans hold about 58 percent of the 
seats on the Committee on Ways and Means. It has been since 1923 that 
the majority party has had less than 60 percent of the votes on the 
Committee on Ways and Means. Historically, that percentage has been a 
60 to 40 split between the majority and minority on the Committee on 
Ways and Means.
  Even after we add Mr. Laughlin to the committee, we will still be 
slightly less than the 60 percent that has been the historical average 
over the last 70 years. As a matter of fact, in 1955 when the Democrat 
Party took control of this House, and they happened to have 232 
Members, the same amount that Republicans have today, they had a 60-40 
majority on the Committee on Ways and Means.
  I would further point out that in December of this year, when the 
Republicans took control of the House, it was the decision of the 
Republican leadership that there should in fact be a 60 to 40 split on 
the Committee on Ways and Means again. After that decision was made, 
the minority leader, in consultation with the Speaker and the majority 
leader, and, frankly, after much whining about it, we decided that to 
ease their pain in terms of the number of Democrat members who were 
going to lose their position on the Committee on Ways and Means, that 
we would change from the 60 to 40 split that we had decided on, in 
order to add just a Democrat member to their side of the aisle on the 
Committee on Ways and Means, dropping that percentage down to well less 
than 60 percent. So I would remind
 all Members that it has been a longstanding tradition and precedent of 
the House that each party respects the rights of the other in 
appointing its own Members to standing committees of the House.

  What has gone on tonight in the politicization of this process by the 
minority party I think makes a sad day for this institution. While the 
minority party may think they are scoring political points or are 
somehow engaged in some highly principled moralistic action, I think 
the facts speak otherwise.
  Perhaps the saddest part of the charade tonight is that the minority 
party seems to have no concern that their dilatory tactics hurt not us 
in the majority, but instead grind to a halt the consideration of the 
people's business here in the people's House.
  To my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, let me be perfectly 
clear. We will not see this institution or this Nation's business grind 
to a halt because of the childish temper tantrum by some Members on the 
other side of the aisle. We will do what is necessary to assure an 
orderly consideration of the people's business here in the people's 
House.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.

                              {time}  1845

  Mr. GEPHARDT. I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I would like to respond to the case that the 
distinguished gentleman from Ohio has made on behalf of the Republican 
side. I would like to respond to both what is happening here 
procedurally and what is happening substantively.
  First, the procedure: The gentleman is correct in saying that in past 
Congresses there has been a desire on the part of the majority party on 
certain key committees to have a larger ratio than the ratio 
represented by the members of the House. Many times in the past, we 
have had 60 percent, as Democrats on the Committee on Ways and Means 
and on the Committee on Rules. But I would point out that in all of 
those times, the ratio that the Democrats represented in the House was 
higher than the 53 percent that the Republicans now represent as part 
of the House.
  Second, when this year started, I did go to the Speaker and I said, 
as a result of the change, we have got five members of the Committee on 
Ways and Means who are Democrats who will come off. We understood that. 
That was part of changing the guard. But I
 asked if the committee could be enlarged so that more of the then-
sitting members of Ways and Means could be kept on Ways and Means. And, 
yes, one was allowed to stay, and four were knocked off.

  But when we had that discussion, it was represented to me that the 
chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means, the gentleman from Texas, 
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the number 21 and 15 represents or 36 and that he in no way would allow 
the committee to get any larger than that. But yet here we come, a few 
weeks later, when there is the possibility of someone switching and 
this action is taken.
  My colleagues, I think it is wrong. I think it is wrong from a 
procedural standpoint. It is wrong in terms of the precedents of this 
House. And I think it is wrong for people to be moving with this out 
there.
  I am not impugning anyone's motives. Anyone can switch parties at any 
time. That is a legitimate thing to have happen. But it should be for 
the right reasons, not for the wrong reasons. And as long as I am 
leader on the Democratic side, I am going to fight for the rights of 
the minority on procedure and on ratios on committees, and we will 
continue that fight.
  Let me talk about the substance. What I think is really going on here 
is an attempt, as was pointed out in the Washington Times on Friday, 
June 30, 1995, to add a Republican member of senior status to shield 
freshman Republicans from having to vote for deep, deep cuts in 
Medicare.
  I quote, ``Mr. Laughlin likely will provide support for potentially 
unpopular reductions in Medicare benefits, should GOP leaders give 
three committee freshmen, all of whom won with less than 51 percent of 
the vote, permission to vote `no.' ''
  My colleagues, what is about to happen in Medicare are the largest 
changes to Medicare in the history of the program. If the hints we are 
reading in the weekend press are right, we are talking about huge 
increases in the premiums for Medicare recipients. If that is what is 
going on here, a stacking of the committee in order to make sure those 
cuts go through, then this is substantively wrong. If Members on your 
side of the aisle believe in these kinds of changes in Medicare, 
everybody should vote for it. Why should we be shielding Members from 
voting for these kinds of cuts?
  Finally, let me tell you what I really think is
   going on here. In reading the comments of leaders on the Republican 
side for some time now, not just lately, I think there is an effort 
here to make Medicare a voluntary program. I think there is an effort 
to get rid of Medicare. I think that is what is really at stake.

  What I am really concerned about is that these deep, important 
changes in Medicare are going to try to be slipped through in 3 or 4 
days in September. If we are going to have changes in this program of 
this kind, bring the changes out now in July. Give the American people 
the right to know what is happening to this program. Make them part of 
this debate. Let them be part of the vote of what happens to Medicare.
  We should not change this program and make it voluntary without 
involving the American people. And I can tell you, this party will 
fight those changes every step of the way.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
                         parliamentary inquiry

  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary inquiry.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Walker). The gentleman will state it.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, is it my understanding that the debate on 
this issue should be confined to the resolution that is on the floor of 
the House?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The rules and precedents of the House would 
indicate that debate on the matter should relate to the matter before 
the House.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
Iowa [Mr. Nussle].
  (Mr. NUSSLE asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. NUSSLE. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to 
me.
  I, as a member of the Committee on Ways and Means, am delighted today 
to welcome our newest Republican, the gentleman from Texas, Mr. Greg 
Laughlin, to the committee and welcome him to the Republican majority 
in the House. I fully expect that this resolution will pass and, as a 
member of the committee, we are all looking forward to working with him 
on the important issues that we know we need to face this year.
  He has been superb and hard working and we know he is going to be a 
very articulate member of the committee. As we participate in this 
debate today, I think it is important to address some of these trumped-
up and now glossed-over charges, trying to deflect the debate from the 
resolution today to scare tactics to senior citizens instead of what we 
ought to be talking about, and that is the ratio on the Committee on 
Ways and Means, not some trumped-up political charge that the minority 
leader or anybody else decides that they are going to do today.
  Mr. Speaker, our chairman, the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Archer], has 
been and will continue to be very fair to the Democrats, more fair than 
they were to us when we were in the minority. Despite the hysteria 
coming from some on the minority side, we do not intend to let those 
distortions and exaggerations stop us from managing the committee in a 
fair-minded and a fair-handed way that earns the respect of the 
American people.
  First let us talk about the record, about the history of this 
committee, which was so glossed over in the last statement. Let me 
state for the record that the addition of Congressman Laughlin to the 
committee will hold Republicans to 59 percent of the seats on the 
Committee on Ways and Means. Not since 1923--the Republicans were in 
the majority, by the way, 1923--has the majority party enjoyed less 
than 60 percent of the seats on the Committee on Ways and Means, 
regardless of the majority ratio in the House of Representatives.
  Even when the Democrat majority held just 51 percent in the House, 
they received 60 percent of the committee seats. With Congressman 
Laughlin on the committee, we will only be at 59. Again, we are being 
fairer to them than they ever were to us.
  But they say we have 53 percent on the floor and 59 percent in the 
committee. That is unfair they say. Well, let me point out that in 
1981, following the Reagan landslide, they had 56 percent on the floor 
and 66 in committee, a spread of 10 points. We again are fairer to them 
than they were to us.
  Eighteen times, eighteen times in this century the spread between the 
floor and the committee has exceeded or been equal to six points; the 
most recent being 1986. Today's spread is exactly six points. Again, we 
are fairer to them than they were to us.
  I think it also should be noted that in 1955, the last time the 
Democrats had 232 seats, which is what we have, the Democrats held 60 
percent of the committee. Once more, we are fairer to them than they 
were to us.
  Mr. Speaker, I think that this is going to be very simple. They have 
been stung by defects, and they need to move on to the business of this 
country.
  Mr. GEPHARDT. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the 
distinguished gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Bonior], the Democratic 
whip.
  Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to 
me.
  Mr. Speaker, let us not kid ourselves this evening. This debate is 
about one simple thing. And while we may talk about representation on 
the committee, which, in fact, I believe has been skewed, this debate 
is about Medicare. It is about whether or not we should cut Medicare to 
provide tax cuts for the wealthiest people in our society. It is about 
whether or not we should double Medicare premiums to give a tax break 
to the wealthiest corporations in America.
  The Republicans have proposed massive tax breaks for the wealthy, and 
they came out of the Committee on Ways and Means. To pay for them, they 
have proposed the biggest cuts in Medicare, the biggest cuts in 
Medicare in the history of this Republic.


                             point of order

  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I rise to make a point of order.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his point of order.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I make a point of order that the gentleman 
is not speaking to the relevant issue at head. I make a point of order 
that the gentleman in the well, the minority whip, is not talking to 
the relevant issue at hand that is in the debate today. The issue is 
the seating of the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Laughlin] on the Committee 
on Ways and Means. The gentleman proceeded, as others before him have, 
to talk about the issue of Medicare, which is not the subject of 
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House, the gentleman should be required to speak to the issue that is 
on the floor.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman makes a point of order that 
engaging in debate should be on the topic before the House. The 
gentleman in the well is reminded that the debate topic before the 
House is the resolution with regard to membership on the committee and 
debate should be confined to that subject matter.
  Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Speaker, I would say to the Members that the members 
who serve on that committee will determine that fate of literally 40 
million Americans on Medicare. There is no way you can divide or 
divorce the issue of who sits on that committee and the issue of what 
tax breaks are given, what tax breaks are taken away, what Medicare 
benefits are given, what Medicare benefits are taken away, what 
Medicaid benefits are given, what Medicaid benefits are taken away. 
They are bound together.
  As last Saturday's Washington Times pointed out, they want to raise 
the Medicaid premiums, those who serve on that committee, by 110 
million a month, my Republican colleagues, that is. And to pass their 
plan, they are trying, Mr. Speaker, to stack the committee that will 
vote on it.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman is requested by the Chair to 
proceed in order.
  Mr. BONIOR. As this Washington Times article points out, ``Mr. 
Laughlin will provide support for potentially unpopular reductions in 
Medicare benefits, should the GOP leaders give three committee 
freshman, all of whom won with less than 51 percent of vote, permission 
to vote no.'' Which raises the question, which raises the question, 
what will Mr. Laughlin do on this committee? Will he cover for these 
three freshmen? It is an interesting question. Mr. Laughlin ought to 
tell the American people. He ought to tell the people of the district 
what are his intentions with respect to Medicare, if he is going to 
serve as a member of this committee.


                             point of order

  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I rise to a point of order.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his point of order.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I make a point of order that the gentleman 
in the well is questioning the motives of the gentleman that is in 
question on the resolution appointing him to the committee.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman at this point has not named 
any member of the Committee on Ways and Means. The gentleman is 
reminded, however, that he has an obligation to the rules of the House 
to proceed in order.
  Mr. BONIOR. The gentleman from Michigan is indeed proceeding in 
order. He is proceeding in order of the needs and the will of 40 
million Americans who are concerned about Medicare. He is proceeding in 
order to take care of the needs of the people in this country who 
depend upon Medicaid.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman is reminded that proceeding in 
order is proceeding under the rules of the House, and the Chair would 
request the gentleman to abide by the rules of debate in the House of 
Representatives.
  Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Speaker, I would like to pose a question to the 
Speaker then. The question is this, how does the Speaker intend to 
separate those who serve on the committee from the jurisdiction which 
they have on that committee? What is the dividing line? Would the Chair 
give a ruling to this Member on where the dividing line is?

                              {time}  1900

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Walker). The resolution before the House 
is on the election of the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Laughlin] to the 
committee. The subject matter before the House is not what he plans to 
do once he joins the committee. The gentleman will confine himself to 
the issue before the House.
  Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, will the Speaker yield to pursue that 
question?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Bonior] 
controls the time.


                         Parliamentary Inquiry

  Mr. HOYER. Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. 
Bonior] yield for a parliamentary inquiry?
  Mr. HOYER. He does not have to, I do not believe, Mr. Speaker.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Michigan controls the 
time. Does the gentleman from Michigan yield for a parliamentary 
inquiry?
  Mr. BONIOR. I yield to the gentleman from Maryland [Mr. Hoyer].
  Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I do not want to ask the gentleman to use his 
time for a parliamentary inquiry.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Michigan controls the 
time. According to the rules of the House, the gentleman from Michigan 
will have to yield.
  Mr. HOYER. Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker. Is it the Speaker's 
ruling that I cannot raise a parliamentary inquiry unless the gentleman 
yields to me? Is it the Speaker's ruling that somebody cannot make a 
parliamentary inquiry?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Maryland is correct. As 
long as the gentleman from Michigan controls the floor, he would have 
to yield to the gentleman from Maryland for a parliamentary inquiry. 
The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Boehner] raised a point of order, after 
his parliamentary inquiry. The gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Bonior] 
would have to yield for the purpose of a parliamentary inquiry.
  Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I think people are getting the message here. The message 
that the majority is raising is that we have been shut out from active 
participation on this committee as a result of the ratios in which the 
minority, which was represented, by the way, by the comments of the 
Speaker just a few seconds ago, which have shackled the Members of the 
minority from expressing their views on these key questions. We are 
here to say that the questions on that committee, the jurisdictional 
questions of Medicare and Medicaid, are too important, Mr. Speaker, for 
us to be shackled.
  Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Iowa [Mr. Nussle] came to the well a 
few minutes ago and gave some statistics. What he did not tell us is 
that in the last 10 years, the difference between the majority 
representation and the number of people on the Committee on Ways and 
Means is much, much, much different than what he alluded to. In the 
100th Congress, Democrats had 59 percent of this body, and in that same 
Congress, we had 62 percent on the Committee on Ways and Means, a 
difference of about 3
 percent.

  In the 101st Congress the difference was 5 percent. In the 100 and 
102d it was 2.35 percent, and in the 103d Congress it was 3.9 percent. 
In this Congress, with the addition of the gentleman from Texas [Mr. 
Laughlin] to the committee, it will be 6.4 percent. That is not fair. 
That is not right.
  I would say to the Speaker that he, as well as others in this party, 
have said on numerous occasions, numerous occasions to this body, that 
there should be an equal proportionate representation between the 
number of Members who are in this full body and those who serve on 
committees. Yet, here we go, with an egregious padding or stacking of 
the committee.
  Mr. Speaker, I want to say on behalf of my colleagues that we will 
not stand, we will not stand, to have $40 million Americans 
disenfranchised on key votes with respect to their health care. We will 
not stand for the same type of activities with respect to tax cut for 
the very wealthy in this country, and on Medicaid.
  Mr. Speaker, let me just conclude my suggesting  that  we  say  no  
to  this resolution, and that the leader and the Speaker and 
the majority leader get together and figure out a way to give fair 
representation, in the spirit in which the gentleman from Pennsylvania 
[Mr. Walker] advocated that representation lo the many years that he 
was in the minority.
  Mr. GEPHARDT. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from 
Arizona [Mr. Hayworth].
  Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Ohio for 
yielding time to me.
  Mr. Speaker, it is absolutely fascinating to listen to the guardians 
of the old order, the new minority, espouse a form of institutional 
amnesia. I may not have been here in previous Congresses, but thanks to 
C-

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SPAN and thanks to the history books, we can take a look and we can see 
what happened time and again in this Chamber. Debate was shut up. 
People were stifled. We had a decision that existed that was egregious.


                             point of order

  Mr. BONIOR. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The gentleman is not talking 
about the resolution and he is off the issue.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Arizona [Mr. Hayworth] 
must confine himself to the subject matter of the resolution before the 
House.
  Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Speaker, I listened with great interest, and I 
thank the ruling of the Chair, and I thank my friend who is the whip on 
the other side.
  I would also point out that what is past is prologue. That is written 
across the forum in the National Achieves, and it is true. The fact is, 
and this is absolutely germane, not since 1923 has the majority party 
enjoyed less than 60 percent of the seats on the Committee on Ways and 
Means. Mr. Speaker, with the addition of the gentleman from Texas [Mr. 
Laughlin] we are at 59 percent.
  To my friends on the other side of the aisle, Mr. Speaker, it is 
absolutely germane to realize this fact. There is a new majority 
exercising the will of the American people. Get over it. Help us 
govern.
  Mr. GEPHARDT. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from 
Montana [Mr. Williams].
  Mr. WILLIAMS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to 
me.
  Mr. Speaker, this may not be about Medicare, and I do not think it is 
about party affiliation or moving between parties. After all, Mr. 
Speaker, most Americans vote for a variety of candidates. Most 
Americans claim they are, in fact, independent. The election and the 
polls show, of course, that most people, when they make those choices, 
associates most closely with Democrats in their votes, and when you 
poll most independents, they say they believe they lean mostly to the 
Democratic Party. But this is not about affiliation. People move 
between parties all the time. I will bet all of Members' constituents, 
almost without exception, refuse to vote a straight party line.
  This is not about candidates in one part or the other, one region or 
the other of the country, moving from one party to the other, although 
I must say that both the overtones and the undercurrent of the use of 
race in the South by the right is troublesome, and it should be beneath 
the party of Eisenhower and Lincoln.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from 
Pennsylvania [Mr. English].
  Mr. ENGLISH of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I rise as a Member of the 
Committee on Ways and Means, and as a freshman, to welcome the 
gentleman from Texas [Mr. Laughlin] to our committee and to our party, 
an event so seismic that it has made the minority leader an advocate of 
minority rights on the House floor, and made the minority leader a 
reader of the Washington Times, which is extraordinary.
  Mr. Speaker, I realize that some of the speakers on the other side 
have tried to stay on message and frighten senior citizens, but what 
they have omitted and what I would like to say is that the gentleman 
from Texas [Mr. Laughlin] is qualified, he is a principled advocate of 
taxpayers, and that is why so many here are opposed to him. He is an 
effective leader who has a skill that he demonstrated, prior to 
switching, of working across party lines, and that is something that 
ought to be learned on the other side.
  Additionally, they have left out the fact that this ratio is fair, 
even if it is annoying to the advocates of higher taxes and the 
opponents of welfare reform. The American people will not be fooled.
  Mr. GEPHARDT. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from 
Michigan [Mr. Bonior].
  Mr. BONIOR. Mr. Speaker, I rise for the purpose of letting my friend, 
the gentleman from Pennsylvania and the Speaker at the present time in 
the House of Representatives, know of the words of his friend, the 
Speaker of the House, the gentleman from Georgia [Mr. Gingrich].
  The gentleman from Georgia said on September 27, 1990, in the 
Congressional Record, and I quote:

       I would think that the Chair would want to accept the fact 
     that in a free country, people often talk very widely about a 
     wide range of issues. We think that freedom of debate and 
     freedom of speech are not only important when burning the 
     flag, but they are even important on the House floor. I hope 
     that for the rest of the day the Chair, in the spirit of good 
     humor, will tolerate a certain level of freedom of speech to 
     reflect the nature of the House at its best.

  I would hope that the Speaker would take his good friend's words at 
heart.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New 
York [Mr. Paxon].
  Mr. PAXON. Mr. Speaker, when the Democrats give a big tax liberal a 
seat on the Committee on Ways and Means, they call it good government. 
However, when Republicans give a smaller tax, smaller government 
conservative a seat on the Committee on Ways and Means, the Democrats 
say something is wrong with that. The truth is today's debate has 
nothing to do at all with selling out or with Medicare or anything 
else. It has to do with sour grapes.
  For years the Democrats' liberal leadership has used conservatives. 
They have promised them seats on important committees, like the 
Committee on Ways and Means, but when it came time to deliver, it was 
not done.


                             Point of order

  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. My point of 
order is that unless the Speaker has taken the words of the gentleman 
from Michigan to heart, that violates the subject of the Speaker's 
previous instructions, Mr. Speaker. It is off the point of the issue of 
appointing the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Laughlin].
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from New York [Mr. Paxon] is 
reminded he must proceed in order.
  Mr. PAXON. Mr. Speaker, the truth about this whole committee's 
assignment brouhaha brought up by our friends across the aisle is that 
the liberal leadership wants conservative bodies in their caucus but 
does not want to deliver for them on this House floor. Now they are 
angry that the gentleman from Texas, Greg Laughlin, the gentleman from 
Georgia, Nathan Deal, Richard Shelby, Senator Campbell, and about 100 
State and local Democrats have switched parties. That is what this 
debate is about here.


                             point of order

  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. This clearly 
violates the spirit of the Speaker's previous instructions. I would 
like to be clear that unless we are going to have one test of rules for 
this party and another set of rules for the other, that clearly 
violates what the gentleman stated to the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. 
Bonior].
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair had reminded Members on both sides 
of the aisle when the question has been raised that they are to proceed 
in order. The Chair would continue to say to both sides of the aisle in 
fairness that they must proceed in order on the resolution. The subject 
matter under discussion is the election of the gentleman from Texas 
[Mr. Laughlin] on the Committee on Ways and Means. That should be the 
subject of the discussion on the floor.
  Mr. PAXON. Mr. Speaker, the election of the gentleman from Texas, 
Greg Laughlin, to a seat on this committee is about putting people on 
this committee who will stand up for the right things in this 
community, in this country, and on this floor. I support strongly the 
resolution before us today.
  Mr. GEPHARDT. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from 
Kentucky [Mr. Ward].
  Mr. WARD. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Missouri for 
yielding time to me.
  Mr. Speaker, I think what we need to do is remember and remind the 
folks at home who are watching, at least in Louisville, KY, it is just 
after dinnertime and they may have surfed and ended on C-SPAN, or they 
may be watching it on purpose. No matter which, what we need to remind 
them is the Committee on Ways and Means, who knows what these words 
mean, but we know it means the Medicare committee, because that is what 
is going to be dealt with in the next 30 days in that committee. That, 
according to the Washington Times, is one reason that 

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is suggested that the Republican majority has changed the rules in 
midstream.
  As I understand it, never before had the majority changed the world 
in midstream, changed the number, added somebody, just added somebody 
to the committee in the middle of the Congress. No. The ratios were set 
at the beginning and they were kept, so we have to ask ourselves, was 
it done, as the Washington Times suggested, in order to save a freshman 
a tough vote?
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
California [Mr. Thomas].
  (Mr. THOMAS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, my understanding is the resolution in front 
of us is whether or not the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Laughlin] shall 
be assigned to the Committee on Ways and Means.
  At the beginning the 104th Congress the gentleman from Texas [Mr. 
Laughlin] was a Democrat. He currently is a Republican. The ratio on 
the Committee on Ways and Means is 21 to 15. I know for a fact that the 
chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means, the gentleman from Texas 
[Mr. Archer], argued long and hard for a ration of 21 to 14. He was 
denied his wishes of that committee ratio by the wisdom of leadership, 
because the minority leader begged him to put another Democrat on. So 
when we started, it was 21 to 15. They got their Democrat at the 
beginning. It was not what we wanted.
  If we add the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Laughlin] as a Republican, 
the ratio will be 22 to 15. That is still not 60 percent; 21 to 15 is 
not 60 percent; 22 to 15 is not 60 percent. I have been on the 
Committee on Ways and Means since 1983. It has been between 63 and 66 
percent loaded in favor of the majority in that entire time, so it is 
not about ratio.
  One of the difficulties we have in examining this
   business of party switchers is because in the brief 17 years that I 
have been in Congress I have never seen anybody from this side of the 
aisle decide not be a Republican and go over there. In the time that I 
have been here, I have seen a number of Democrats come over here.

  One of the reasons we are pleased to welcome the gentleman from Texas 
[Mr. Laughlin] is that we like his position on the issues. I do not see 
anything wrong at all in taking someone that you like on the issues and 
giving them a position of prominence in areas in which we are going to 
have significant votes.
  The Committee on Ways and Means in this jurisdiction is, with all due 
respect as a member of the committee, an important committee. It deals 
with all the taxes. It deals with Social Security. It deals with 
welfare. Yes, it deals with Medicare.
  What we want to do is take the issues position of the gentleman from 
Texas [Mr. Laughlin], who was recently a Democrat, and now a 
Republican, and meld him with all of the other Republicans on the 
committee, who I might remind the Members represent a percentage of the 
total committee less than the Democrat-Republican ratio when they were 
a majority for the entire time I have been on the committee.

                              {time}  1915

  What is your problem? That you want more Republicans to reflect the 
ratio that used to be there? We are not doing that. That you want 
Democrats to quit leaving your party and become Republicans? Then 
change your positions. If you do not, if you keep the same leadership, 
advocating the same position, there are going to be more Republicans 
over here before the election by virtue of people continuing to switch.
  Is that your problem, that you do not like switchers, or is it that 
you have no substantive point to make and so you are arguing items that 
are irrelevant?
  Let's make the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Laughlin] a member of the 
Committee on Ways and Means.
  Mr. GEPHARDT. Mr. Speaker, I yield our remaining 1 minute to the 
gentleman from New York [Mr. Nadler].
  Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, I want to talk for the moment about the 
scope of debate on the floor of the House and to defend it against the 
attitude of the acting Speaker. The resolution before the House is the 
election of the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Laughlin] to the Committee on 
Ways and Means.
  When someone is up for election, he is a candidate. The candidate's 
views are relevant, the candidate's intentions are relevant. The fact 
that the intentions of those who are putting him there may be to make 
it easier to enact great cuts in Medicare, they are relevant. The fact 
that the intentions of those who are putting him there may be to put 
someone there who is opposed to taxes, that is relevant. The fact that 
they may be doing that because they enticed him and because they are 
selling committee seats for switches in party, if someone wants to say 
that, that would be relevant. I am not saying those things, though I 
think they are true.
  The fact that this leadership is doing these things is all relevant.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself our remaining 1 minute.
  Mr. Speaker, the facts are this: The facts are that since January of 
this year, four Democrats, two in the House and two in the Senate, have 
switched parties, more than in any 2-year cycle in the history of our 
country. As long as they continue to switch parties, guess what? We as 
Republican Members, as the majority, have to find a committee to put 
them on. Tonight we are proud to bring to this floor a resolution 
putting the latest Democrat to switch parties on the Committee on Ways 
and Means.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the 
previous question on the resolution.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Walker). The question is on ordering the 
previous question.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a 
quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not 
present.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
  The Chair may reduce to 5 minutes the vote on passage of the 
resolution, if ordered.
  The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 233, 
nays 179, not voting 22, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 474]

                               YEAS--233

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brewster
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Fowler
     Fox
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays

[[Page H 6722]]

     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--179

     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Ford
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--22

     Abercrombie
     Becerra
     Brown (CA)
     Dooley
     Fields (TX)
     Foglietta
     Forbes
     Frost
     Hunter
     Jefferson
     Lantos
     Lipinski
     Mfume
     Moakley
     Moran
     Peterson (FL)
     Pryce
     Reynolds
     Smith (MI)
     Stark
     Towns
     Tucker

                              {time}  1937

  So the previous question was ordered.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Walker). The question is on the 
resolution.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the 
vote by which the previous question was ordered.


                 motion to table offered by mr. boehner

  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Speaker, I move to lay the motion to reconsider on 
the table.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Boehner] to lay on the table the motion to 
reconsider offered by the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Frank].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. This is a 15-minute vote followed by a 
possible 5-minute vote.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 233, 
noes 181, not voting 20, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 475]

                               AYES--233

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brewster
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NOES--181

     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Browder
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Traficant
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--20

     Abercrombie
     Becerra
     Brown (CA)
     Dooley
     Fields (TX)
     Foglietta
     Frost
     Hunter
     Jefferson
     Lantos
     Livingston
     Mfume
     Moakley
     Pryce
     Reynolds
     Skaggs
     Smith (MI)
     Stark
     Towns
     Tucker

                              {time}  1955

  Mr. GEJDENSON changed his vote from ``aye'' to ``no.''
  Mr. TALENT changed his vote from ``no'' to ``aye.''
  So the motion to table the motion to reconsider was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.

[[Page H 6723]]

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Walker). The question is on the 
resolution.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.
  Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas 
and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. This will be a 5-minute vote.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 248, 
nays 162, not voting 24, as follows:
                             [Roll No. 476]

                               YEAS--248

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baesler
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chapman
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooley
     Cox
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     Deal
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gilchrest
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Murtha
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Packard
     Parker
     Paxon
     Payne (VA)
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickett
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Rose
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skeen
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tanner
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wilson
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--162

     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Danner
     de la Garza
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Levin
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Mollohan
     Moran
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn

                             NOT VOTING--24

     Abercrombie
     Becerra
     Brown (CA)
     DeFazio
     Dooley
     Foglietta
     Frost
     Gillmor
     Hastert
     Hunter
     Jefferson
     Lantos
     Lewis (GA)
     Mfume
     Moakley
     Nadler
     Oxley
     Pryce
     Reynolds
     Smith (MI)
     Stark
     Towns
     Tucker
     Yates

                              {time}  2005
  Mr. PAYNE of Virginia and Mr. ROSE changed their vote from ``nay'' to 
``yea.''
  So the resolution was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
  

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