[Congressional Record Volume 141, Number 57 (Tuesday, March 28, 1995)]
[House]
[Pages H3841-H3845]
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     APPOINTMENT OF CONFEREES ON H.R. 889, EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL 
APPROPRIATIONS AND RESCISSIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FOR FISCAL 
                               YEAR 1995

  Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to take from the 
Speaker's table the bill (H.R. 889) making emergency supplemental 
appropriations and rescissions to preserve and enhance the military 
readiness of the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending 
September 30, 1995, and for other purposes, with Senate amendments 
thereto, disagree to the Senate amendments, and agree to the conference 
asked by the Senate.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from Louisiana?
  There was no objection.


                 motion to instruct offered by Mr. Obey

  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion.
  The Clerk read as follows:

       Mr. Obey moves that the managers on the part of the House 
     at the conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses 
     on the bill, H.R. 889, be instructed to form a conference 
     agreement that does not add to the national deficit in the 
     current fiscal year and cumulatively through fiscal year 
     1999.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey] will 
be recognized for 30 minutes, and the gentleman from Louisiana [Mr. 
Livingston] will be recognized for 30 minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey].
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 8 minutes.
  Mr. Speaker, under ordinary circumstances, I would not be here making 
this motion that I am making today, because I think that under ordinary 
circumstances the administration would have every right to request an 
emergency appropriation for these items and the Congress would have 
every right to consider them on an emergency basis. In plain language, 
considering them on an emergency basis means that we would not have to 
offset the expenditures in this bill, and they could be treated as an 
emergency and could, therefore, add to the deficit and still be within 
the rules of the House.
  The problem, however, is that while I personally feel that under 
normal circumstances it would be perfectly appropriate for these items 
not to be offset, I do not think we are operating under ordinary 
circumstances. In fact, we have seen this House pass a constitutional 
amendment to balance the budget, even though the other body has not 
concurred, and we have seen a great deal of effort expended over the 
past 60 days on efforts that were described as efforts to ``reduce the 
deficit.'' But in fact those efforts have not done that.
  So I am offering this proposal today in the spirit of truth in 
advertising. It simply directs the House conferees to produce a 
conference report that does not add to the deficit, period. Now, we 
have had two recent examples that illustrate the need for the motion 
which I am making today.
  First of all, when this bill first passed the House, we were told by 
the committee that even though the bill was not balanced on the outlay 
side, it was in fact balanced in budget authority and did not add to 
the deficit.
  The problem, however, is that after the bill passed, the committee's 
own documents which the committee produced showed that the bill added 
over $250 million in outlays and $186 million in budget authority to 
the deficit, and over 5 years, added to the deficit to the tune of $650 
million. So I think that was misstatement No. 1 on the way to a so-
called balanced budget.
  Last week on the rescission bill, in order to get the votes for the 
rescission bill that targeted kids and old folks for major reductions, 
the Republican leadership said, after first having all of the 
Republicans vote against the Murtha amendment in committee, the 
Republican leadership then did an about face and indicated that they 
would in fact use the dollars produced in that rescission bill last 
week, the dollars that were not going to be used for the California 
earthquake relief, that they would use the remainder of those dollars 
for deficit reduction. But after the rule had passed, the chairman of 
the Committee on the Budget then was reported to say that the action in 
indicating that those funds would be used to reduce the deficit was 
just a game, and that in fact they were going to be allocated to 
finance the tax cuts, which contain a number of items which many of us 
on this side of the aisle feel are simply rewards for the wealthy that 
we cannot afford at a time of multibillion-dollar deficits.
  Despite the fact that that money which was indicated would go for 
deficit reduction for one day, and then was later used for tax cuts, we 
were still given lectures about deficit reduction. It seems to me what 
we need to do is to cut through those lectures and get to a real intent 
to reduce the deficit, or at least certainly not to add to it.
  This bill itself was produced out of subcommittee
   1 day after the House passed the balanced budget constitutional 
amendment, and the bill as it left the committee, as I said, added 
significantly to the deficit, some $650 million over 5 years.

  In contrast to the House bill, the Senate bill, which we will meet 
when we go to conference, is fully offset. It does not add one dime to 
the deficit, and in my view, if the other body can produce a bill for 
conference which does not add one dime to the deficit, the House ought 
to be able to do the same thing.
  Now, this motion makes one concession. It does not even require that 
all of the amounts be totally offset within the defense function of the 
budget. It simply says that all of the funds should be offset, period. 
While I certainly do not approve of using domestic reductions in order 
to offset Defense Department add-ons, as an indication of conciliatory 
spirit I am willing to offer a motion that simply says the funds should 
be fully offset so they do not add one dime to the deficit.
  Mr. Speaker, it just seems to me that after the House has, in my 
view, been misled twice about whether or not funds in legislation 
before this House would add to the deficit or would reduce the deficit, 
it seems to me, after the House has been misled twice on it, the House 
finally needs to make a statement with great clarity that we do not 
want this process used to in any way add to the deficit.
  As I said originally, under ordinary circumstances, absent the great 
pressure on the deficit and absent the House action in passing the 
constitutional amendment on the balanced budget, I would not be here 
insisting that this bill be fully offset, because I think in the real 
world there are emergencies which require emergency treatment. But the 
House has indicated that it is going to be in pursuit of deficit 
reduction, and it seems to me if that is the case, we ought to get on 
to it, and we certainly should not produce a conference report which 
will add to the deficit either on the budget authority side or the 
outlay side. That is the reason I make this motion this afternoon.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.


                             general leave

  Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members 
may have 5 legislative days to revise and extend their remarks, and 
that I might include tabular and extraneous material.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from Louisiana?
  There was no objection.
  Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 4 minutes.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise to oppose the motion to instruct conferees. The 
gentleman's motion would instruct the conferees to bring back a 
conference agreement that was offset not only in budget authority, but 
in outlays as 
[[Page H3842]] well. This instruction would indeed inhibit the full and 
free nature of the conference.
  My friend, the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Young], who sits here, has 
pointed out that the gentleman who just spoke before me, the 
distinguished ranking minority member of the committee, often talks 
about posing for holy pictures. I have to say that I think that this 
motion to instruct is kind of an exercise in connoisseurship of holy 
pictures.
  In just the last 2 months this Republican majority has done more than 
almost all the previous Congresses to provide offsets. Never before has 
the Democrat majority in previous Congresses ever offset a supplemental 
request of any magnitude.
  The fact is that the Senate amendments to H.R. 889 contain many 
spending reductions that are going to be unacceptable to the House. If 
the conferees are instructed to achieve outlay neutrality, then there 
must be a source of acceptable spending reductions. I think it will be 
very difficult to find such a source in the Senate aamendments. The 
only other way to find acceptable spending cuts would be to go beyond 
the scope of the bill and the Senate amendments. We should not accept 
an instruction that encourages that approach.

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  Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Louisiana is strongly for deficit 
reduction. I think the record of the Committee on Appropriations, as I 
have pointed out, for the 104th Congress speaks for itself in this 
area. The House has already passed over $20 billion of spending 
reductions. When viewed in total we have more than offset over $8.7 
billion in supplemental appropriations. So during the conference on 
this bill, I will try to achieve outlay neutrality. It will be 
difficult. I hope we can do it. But this instruction should not be 
accepted. We should not straitjacket ourselves.
  It is getting later in the fiscal year. Achieving significant outlay 
savings gets harder and harder. We hear that agencies are spending 
money rapidly so we are not sure how much is available as a source of 
offsets.
  The instruction would put forward constraints that may not be 
achievable or which would severely restrict our ability to provide the 
necessary support for our national security needs.
  Mr. Speaker, the Department of Defense needs this emergency 
supplemental appropriation now. They need it right away. They needed it 
yesterday. We should not suggest needless or impossible procedural 
hurdles that would delay or make more difficult our ability to achieve 
a good conference agreement on this bill, which si something that the 
Democratic administration wants.
  We should stop fooling around and get on with this very, very 
important conference.
  I urge the body to reject this motion to instruct.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 3 minutes.
  Mr. Speaker, I do not regard the motion that I am making today as 
``fooling around.''
  What I do regard as fooling around is the action of the House 
leadership in twice over the last month talking about deficit reduction 
but, in fact, producing bills which either add to the deficit or, after 
they have promised that the funds would be used to reduce the deficit, 
instead announcing a day later that they really did not mean it. They 
simply said that to get votes and that what they are really going to do 
is to use it for their tax cut package for very wealthy people.
  I would also point out that I do not think that this motion to 
instruct is in any significant way delaying our ability to go to 
conference and produce a bill in a timely fashion. As far as I am 
concerned, if this motion to go to conference is passed by the House 
today, we could go into conference at 5 or at 6 tonight. We certainly 
can deal in conference with the issue tomorrow. And we can produce a 
bill in plenty of time, if Members are serious, both about providing 
the Pentagon the funds they need and, if they are serious about it, 
deficit reduction.
  I thank it is, frankly, nonsense to suggest that this motion in any 
way prevents our being able to produce that bill in a timely fashion.
  I would point out that suggesting that this motion in any way delays 
our ability to produce a bill is about like saying that after a 
basketball coach takes a 20-second time-out, with 1 minute left to go 
in the game, that somehow that is the reason that you had a 4-hour 
basketball game.
  The fact is this bill has already taken an unusually long period of 
time to move through each stage of the process, compared to past 
supplemental appropriation bills. A good example is the emergency 
supplemental bill our committee moved through the process just 1 year 
ago.
  The chairman will recall that conferees met during snowstorms that 
paralyzed this city and produced a conference report in short order 
because of the urgency of the matter at hand. Last year's emergency 
supplemental took a total of 19 calendar days to move through the 
entire process. The bill we have before us today, by contrast, has been 
lingering for some 60 calendar days, three times as long.
  I would suggest that the most rapid way for us to reach agreement in 
conference, since the Senate has already, in my judgment, met its 
responsibility by providing full offsets for the new spending that they 
contemplate in their bill, I would suggest the fastest way for us to 
get an agreeable result in the conference is for the House to do the 
same. And that is why I am offering my motion.
  My LIVINGSTON. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may 
consume.
  I simply point out that actually we could have gone to conference 
yesterday, but the gentleman objected on Friday. So I do not think that 
the question is whether or not we are taking an inordinately lengthy 
period of time. The question is whether we are going to put ourselves 
in a straitjacket that prevents us from expeditiously getting this 
matter resolved as quickly as possible. If we do not get it resolved, 
if it does get hog-tied in the rigors of internal legislative warfare, 
I would like to request the gentleman from Florida to rise and I would 
like him to tell us some of the problems that the Defense Department 
will face.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman 
from Florida [Mr. Young].
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding 
time to me.
  First I would like to make the comment that we have run out of time 
on this issue. The Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force and 
the Coast Guard have spent the money for these contingency operations 
that we are trying to replace now. I do not recall anybody coming here 
from the administration to check with Congress to see if it was okay to 
go to Rwanda or to Somalia or to Bosnia or any of those contingencies. 
But yet they did it. And we are being asked to pay the bill. We are 
prepared to do that. We understand the importance.
  The House, despite what the gentleman from Wisconsin has just 
implied, the House subcommittee on national security passed out this 
bill on January 27. That was even before we got the official request 
from the administration. And within 2 weeks we had gone through the 
full committee and were on the way to the House floor. And the House 
has expedited this entire issue, as it needs to be expedited.
  And when the gentleman suggests that there has been delay and the 
bill has been held out there, he should point the finger at where it 
belongs. The House has moved expeditiously to meet this responsibility 
and here is why, in response to my distinguished chairman, the 
gentleman from Louisiana [Mr. Livingston].
  Based on a January public hearing with Secretary Perry and the 
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Shalikashvili, here is what we 
were told, and the commanders in chief, and field commanders have 
confirmed this throughout the hearing process since we voted this 
emergency supplemental out of subcommittee.
  Unless we get this money appropriated and quick, all U.S.-based units 
under the Forces Command will have to stop most major training by May 
31. 
[[Page H3843]] The National Training Center rotations and JCS exercises 
will be canceled. Flight hours and spare parts stocks will be cut, and 
all active Army divisions will be degraded in readiness.
  I do not want that to happen. I do not think my colleagues in the 
House want that to happen.
  In the Navy, four carrier airwings will be forced to stand down. The 
first stand down will happen in April. More than 500 aircraft would 
have to be grounded, and 30,000 flight hours cut.
  Required maintenance on two carriers and seven other ships will be 
deferred or reduced and ship and aviation spare parts reserves will be 
drawn down by 30 days worth of requirement.
  The Marine Corps, since unfunded contingency requirements equate to 
approximately 80 percent of the Marine Corps's operation forces budget, 
the corps will see severe readiness impact starting in July. Training 
for Marine expeditionary forces, in both the Atlantic and Pacific, with 
the exception of those forces already deployed, will be halted.
  All categories of training as well as maintenance and spare parts 
will face deep reductions, and marine air squadrons will be forced to 
stand down and suffer reduced readiness.
  For the Air Force, flight hours for fighter, bomber, tanker, and 
airlift squadrons will have to be reduced by 50 percent over a 12-week 
period. Ten JCS and tactical training exercises will be canceled. Over 
24,000 permanent change of station moves will be frozen and aircraft 
and engine repair as well as scheduled runway and real property 
maintenance will be deferred.
  Mr. Speaker, those are just the highlights of what we are talking 
about if we do not replace this money. When I say ``replace,'' that is 
exactly what I mean, because the money to pay for the contingencies in 
Bosnia, Rwanda and Somalia and Cuba and Haiti and Korea, et cetera, has 
already been borrowed from those training and those operation and 
maintenance accounts.
  What we are trying to do is pay it back before the services have to 
stand down their training. And would it not be a shame to stand down 
the training and then have to turn around and stand it back up again 
with a tremendous additional cost. And what happens if a young soldier 
out there, his training is not maintained and he is not quite up to par 
because of the lack of training? What if he gets hurt or what if he 
hurts someone else because his training is not at the level that it 
should be?
  I do not think any of us what to carry that burden on our shoulders. 
We want readiness today. We want readiness in the mid-term. And we want 
readiness for our forces in the long-term.
  This is one of the first major steps that we have to take to provide 
that readiness.
  It is time to get on with this business. The gentleman from Wisconsin 
[Mr. Obey] is exactly right. This has dragged on too long. Not because 
of any fault of the House of Representatives, but it has dragged on too 
long.
  We should have this bill completed by Thursday of this week, on the 
President's desk by Friday morning, if that is possible, and I think 
that it is.
  But Mr. Obey's motion to instruct will certainly carry on this delay 
considerably further than we would like it to. I say let us vote 
against the Obey motion and get on with the conference.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 2 minutes and 30 seconds.
  Mr. Speaker, one of the worst things that can happen to you in this 
town is you begin to believe your own baloney. I have just heard an 
awful lot of baloney, with all the due respect to my good friend.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. OBEY. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. The baloney, if you are talking about the 
information that I read here, came from the Chairman of the Joint 
Chiefs of Staff.
  Mr. OBEY. No, with all due respect, the baloney that I am hearing is 
coming from a different source. It is not the Chairman of the Joint 
Chiefs of Staff.
  Let me suggest, no one is suggesting, not one person in this House is 
suggesting that this money not be replaced. We are simply suggesting 
that it be replaced in a way which does not add to the deficit. That is 
all we are saying. There are not going to be any aircraft that are 
required to stand down. There will not be any maintenance that will not 
be provided because we are asking the House to do what the Senate did, 
which is to simply pay for the bill before us.
  The gentleman from Louisiana suggests that somehow if we pass this 
motion to instruct that we will be putting the Congress in a 
straitjacket.
  My God, I thought we did that when this House passed the balanced 
budget amendment to the Constitution. That document requires us to 
balance the budget. I assume an awful lot of Members of this House are 
going to proceed to try to deal with fiscal matters as though the 
budget should be balanced. If that is the case, why start in the 
hereafter? Why not start in the here and now? Why not start with this 
bill?
  That is all we are saying. We are saying do not add to the deficit.
  I would point out that the Senate bill does exactly what we are 
asking. For 1995, the Senate bill cuts the deficit by $72 million; 
whereas, the House adds to the deficit to the tune of $250 million. 
Over 5 years the Senate bill cuts the deficit by $341 million; whereas, 
the House bill adds $650 million to the deficit.

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  That is a swing of nearly $1 billion. All we are suggesting, Mr. 
Speaker, is that the House on this bill show the same degree of fiscal 
discipline shown by the other body, even though I will readily grant 
that the other body added a number of items which do not appropriately 
belong in this conference, and they ought to be taken out.
  However, in spite of that mistake, the Senate has at least met its 
obligation not to add to the deficit. I do not think the House is any 
less capable of doing that. That is the purpose of my motion.
  Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may 
consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I would simply say that this administration's Defense 
Department has expressed to us vociferously and repeatedly that they 
like our bill, they do not like the Senate bill. Moreover, I might add, 
I think it is ironical to start straitjacketing the Republican majority 
when in fact the Democrats were in control of this House of 
Representatives for 40 years and never employed the principle devised 
by the gentleman's motion.
  Mr. Speaker, I have no further requests for time, I yield back the 
balance of my time, and I urge a ``no'' vote on the motion to instruct.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
  Mr. Speaker, I would simply say that, with all due respect, our good 
friends from the Department of Defense do not have to vote on budgets. 
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs does not have to go to constituents 
and explain why the budget is not balanced. We do.
  It seems to me, given that difference in responsibilities, we ought 
to meet our responsibilities to the Department of Defense to reimburse 
them for the funds that they have had to expend, but we ought to do it 
in a way which does not add to the deficit. That is all I ask.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Ewing). Without objection, the previous 
question is ordered on the motion to instruct.
  There was no objection.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion to instruct 
offered by the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Obey].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a 
quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not 
present.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
  The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
  This is a 17-minute vote.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 179, 
nays 240, not voting 15, as follows:

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                             [Roll No. 270]

                               YEAS--179

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Berman
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Brownback
     Cardin
     Chabot
     Chapman
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Danner
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doyle
     Duncan
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Ehlers
     Engel
     Ensign
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gibbons
     Gordon
     Green
     Hall (OH)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     LaFalce
     Lantos
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Morella
     Neal
     Neumann
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Owens
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Reed
     Reynolds
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Sensenbrenner
     Serrano
     Shays
     Skaggs
     Slaughter
     Smith (MI)
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Tucker
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--240

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barcia
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bereuter
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     de la Garza
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Dicks
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Dunn
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     English
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Gonzalez
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klink
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHale
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Moran
     Murtha
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Ortiz
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Pickett
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Regula
     Richardson
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Talent
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Tejeda
     Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--15

     Bryant (TX)
     Clay
     Clayton
     Ford
     Gephardt
     Gutierrez
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Jefferson
     Nadler
     Orton
     Rose
     Rush
     Velazquez
     Wilson
                              {time}  1751

  Messrs. MOLLOHAN, TAUZIN, BEVILL, and CRAMER changed their vote from 
``yea'' to ``nay.''
  Ms. BROWN of Florida and Mr. DUNCAN changed their vote from ``nay'' 
to ``yea.''
  So the motion to instruct was rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Ewing). Without objection, the Chair 
appoints the following conferees:
  For consideration of Senate amendments numbered 3, 5, 6, 7, and 10 
through 25, and the Senate amendment to the title of the bill:
  Messrs. Livingston, Myers of Indiana, Young of Florida, Regula, Lewis 
of California, Porter, Rogers, and Wolf, Mrs. Vucanovich, and Messrs. 
Callahan, Obey, Yates, Stokes, Wilson, Hefner, Coleman, and Mollohan.
  For consideration of Senate amendments numbered 1, 2, 4, 8, and 9:
  Messrs. Young of Florida, McDade, Livingston, Lewis of California, 
Skeen, Hobson, Bonilla, Nethercutt, Neumann, Murtha, Dicks, Wilson, 
Hefner, Sabo, and Obey.
  There was no objection.


   motion offered by Mr. Livingston to close portions of conference 
                                meetings

  Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion.
  The Clerk read as follows:

       Mr. Livingston moves pursuant to rule XXVIII, clause 6(a) 
     of the House rules that the conference meetings between the 
     House and the Senate on the bill (H.R. 889) making emergency 
     supplemental appropriations and rescissions to preserve and 
     enhance the military readiness of the Department of Defense 
     for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1995, and for other 
     purposes, relating to amendments numbered 1, 2, 4, 8, and 9, 
     be closed to the public at such times as classified national 
     security information is under consideration; provided, 
     however, that any sitting Member of Congress shall have the 
     right to attend any closed or open meeting.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 6, rule XXVIII the vote 
on this motion must be a rollcall vote.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 403, 
nays 14, not voting 17, as follows:
                             [Roll No. 271]

                               YEAS--403

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Allard
     Andrews
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baesler
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Baldacci
     Ballenger
     Barcia
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Barrett (WI)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilirakis
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bonior
     Bono
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Cardin
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chapman
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clement
     Clinger
     Clyburn
     Coble
     Coburn
     Coleman
     Collins (GA)
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Combest
     Conyers
     Cooley
     Costello
     Cox
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Danner
     Davis
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeLauro
     DeLay
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Doyle
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     Emerson
     Engel
     English
     Ensign
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Everett
     Ewing
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fawell
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Fields (TX)
     Flake
     Flanagan
     Foglietta
     Foley
     Forbes
     Ford
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Frost
     Funderburk
     Furse
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gejdenson
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Gonzalez
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Gordon
     Goss
     Green
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutierrez
     Gutknecht
     Hall (OH)
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Harman
     Hastert
     Hastings (FL)
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayes
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Hefner
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Holden
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hoyer
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnson, Sam
     [[Page H3845]] Johnston
     Jones
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Kleczka
     Klink
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaFalce
     LaHood
     Lantos
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Levin
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (GA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Lipinski
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lowey
     Lucas
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Manzullo
     Markey
     Martinez
     Martini
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McDermott
     McHale
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McIntosh
     McKeon
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mfume
     Mica
     Miller (CA)
     Miller (FL)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Moakley
     Molinari
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Moran
     Morella
     Murtha
     Myers
     Myrick
     Neal
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Owens
     Oxley
     Packard
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Paxon
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickett
     Pombo
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Reed
     Regula
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Riggs
     Rivers
     Roberts
     Roemer
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Sabo
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Schumer
     Scott
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Serrano
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stockman
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stump
     Stupak
     Talent
     Tanner
     Tate
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Tejeda
     Thomas
     Thompson
     Thornberry
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Tucker
     Upton
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Ward
     Watt (NC)
     Watts (OK)
     Waxman
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Williams
     Wise
     Wolf
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                                NAYS--14

     Brown (OH)
     DeFazio
     Filner
     Hinchey
     Kennedy (MA)
     Lincoln
     Lofgren
     Mink
     Roybal-Allard
     Sanders
     Schroeder
     Slaughter
     Waters
     Woolsey

                             NOT VOTING--17

     Bilbray
     Bryant (TX)
     Clay
     Clayton
     Condit
     Frank (MA)
     Gephardt
     Graham
     Hilliard
     Jefferson
     Nadler
     Orton
     Pryce
     Rose
     Rush
     Velazquez
     Wilson

                              {time}  1809

  So the motion was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  

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