[Congressional Record Volume 141, Number 30 (Wednesday, February 15, 1995)]
[House]
[Pages H1776-H1779]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 7, NATIONAL SECURITY REVITALIZATION
ACT
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I would ask how much time remains on
my side.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Hall] has 5
minutes remaining, and the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon] has
2\1/2\ minutes remaining, and he has the right to close.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield my remaining time to the
gentleman from California [Mr. Dellums], the ranking minority member of
the Committee on National Security.
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Mr. DELLUMS. Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning in sadness and
disappointment, but I also rise in resolute opposition to this rule.
Earlier in the course of this debate, one of my distinguished
colleagues on this side of the aisle said ``In making your case, either
argue the facts or argue the law or argue fairness.'' I choose to
accept that challenge, Mr. Speaker, and accept the arduous
responsibility of addressing all three of them.
First, to the issue of facts. This rule says there shall be 10 hours
of debate for the purposes of amendment. Mr. Speaker, there are 44
amendments printed in the Record. In looking at those 44 amendments, 26
of them are independent, nonduplicative amendments.
We have 17 minutes per vote. If there is a vote on all 26 of those
amendments, we arrive at a grand total of 7 hours and 22 minutes,
leaving us 2 hours and 38 minutes, not 10 hours, for the purposes of
debating 26 amendments, an average of 6 minutes per amendment for
debate.
Let us pull off the sham of what this is all about, Mr. Speaker.
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Mr. Speaker, to the issue of law. This proposed law has enormous
budget implications. If we are talking about star wars and a space-
based system we can be talking about between $30 billion and in excess
of $40 billion, no small amount.
This has ABM ballistic missile defense treaty implications. We should
always walk fragilely and cautiously whenever we speak to a treaty.
The bill has enormous constitutional implications. The Framers of the
Constitution gave this body the ability to develop and raise forces,
but it correctly gave the President of the United States the right to
array those forces.
There are command and control issues here. There is an effort here to
dissipate the whole notion of peacekeeping. I would assert to all of my
colleagues that the Somalias, the Haitis, the Bosnias, and the Rwandas
of the world are the wave of the future, peacekeeping is here. It must
be here on the line here.
Finally to the question of NATO, we have never, Mr. Speaker, debated
the issue of NATO, never in the 24 years that this gentleman has been
here. This has enormous foreign policy implications, implications for
our allies.
Finally, to the question of fairness, Mr. Speaker, I do not raise the
issue of fairness, but rather I challenge us to a higher level of
responsibility. I challenge us to carry out our fiduciary
responsibilities, our basic contract as it were, to the American
people.
What drives this train? What drives this train is a campaign promise.
But in the remaining moments I have, Mr. Speaker, I choose not to
denigrate campaign promises but rather to dignify them, and I would
attempt to do that by asserting this: When you move, Mr. Speaker, from
campaign promise to substantive legislation, a legislative initiative,
at that point as Members of Congress, it is incumbent upon us to make
sure, to guarantee that the process is deliberative, it is substantive,
it is thoughtful, leaving us with our ability to say to our American
people, our basic boilerplate contract to you is that we will engage in
a procession that is equal to the task that we put before you, that it
embraces the substantive nature of the issues that we are engaged in.
Anything less than that is a folly.
So if you are going to have a contract for America, fine, no problem.
But whatever your politics are, I probably have learned how to lose on
this floor more than everybody in here collectively.
That is not the issue, Mr. Speaker. But what is? All 435 of us,
Members of Congress and delegates, must come together and be united at
one point and that is the issue of openness, that we should be able to
return to our constituencies and look them in the eye and say the
fundamental contract that we have with you is this: We made decisions
that were based on the deliberative process.
Six minutes to debate foreign policy, national security, and
intelligence policy of this country belies the reality. It belittles
all of us.
Mr. Chairman, 10 hours is absurd.
One final point. A number of my colleagues on this side of the aisle
in the last 2 years stood up and complemented this gentleman to the
point of my personal embarrassment by saying I do not always agree with
the gentleman from California, and I understand that, but they said we
appreciate the gentleman's openness and fairness. And the first time
that my colleagues had an opportunity not simply to come to compliment
with words but to compliment with deeds and gestures, they say take
this 10 hours and cram it down your throat. I would never have ever
come to this floor advocating a 10-hour amount on a matter of such
substance.
Mr. Chairman, Members on this side of the aisle, stand up resolutely
and oppose this rule in the name of competence, fairness, and our
fiduciary responsibility to the American people.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentlemen from Missouri
[Mr. Volkmer] for the purpose of making a unanimous-consent request.
Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the rule be
amended to provide that time used for voting on amendments not count
toward the 10 hours of debate.
The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon] yield for
that purpose?
Mr. SOLOMON. No, Mr. Speaker, and the rule does not allow it. The
time was yielded for debate purposes only.
The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York does not yield for that
purpose, and the gentleman from Missouri is not recognized.
Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself our final 2\1/2\ minutes.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of this open and fair rule for
the consideration of the National Security Revitalization Act. And I
appreciate the statements of my friend from California, but I must
disagree. This is a fair rule and a responsible rule. And when the
gentleman was at the Committee on Rules, we were close to an agreement
as to the time for this debate. And I must commend the gentleman from
New York, the distinguished chairman of the Committee on Rules, Mr.
Solomon, for explaining just why this is an open and fair rule, and the
role of the minority leadership in limiting this time.
Many of our Members do not realize that their failure to negotiate
and their failure to agree to begin work early each morning helped
decide the time lines for this rule. More time had been offered but no
agreement could be made because no one would negotiate on the other
side of the aisle.
And so, my friends, under this rule we have up to 10 hours to debate
amendments, on top of the 2 hours set aside for general debate. We have
not had this much concentrated debate in recent history, 40 years I
might suggest under an open rule on these matters, and because this is
an open rule, any Member can offer a germane amendment to the bill and
those who have preprinted in the Record will be given priority.
Since the 104th Congress began a few weeks ago our attention has been
focused primarily on the domestic side of the American agenda. We
tackled such issues as how to cut such spending, and chief among those
was balanced budgets and fighting crime, but now by adopting this rule
today, Mr. Speaker we can begin debate on the very important question
of how the United States will respond to the emerging security
challenges of the next century.
As the United States adjusts to the post-cold-war era we must remain
focused, strong, and vigilant. Yet many serious questions have been
raised about the status of our present defense strategy, the state of
military readiness, and the adequacy of defense spending.
Congress must find the answers to these questions, and the bill
before us will take us one step closer to constructively addressing
these and many other fundamental issues affecting Americans' national
security policy.
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And despite partisan complaints which I have heard about this
legislation, enhancing national security should not be a Democrat or
Republican issue. It should be a bipartisan issue, and I am pleased to
note that the National Security Committee reported H.R. 7 out with
strong bipartisan support.
[[Page H1778]] Mr. Speaker, I hope the spirit of bipartisan
cooperation will enable us to adopt this fair rule and begin
consideration of a very forward-looking proposal to reshape our future
national security.
In closing, I would just like to congratulate my chairman, the
gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon], for his outspoken leadership,
unfailing commitment to maintaining a strong defense, his arduous
attempts to negotiate, and I urge the adoption of this fair rule.
Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question on the resolution.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Gillmor). The question is on ordering
the previous question.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair announces that, pursuant to clause
5 of rule XV, the Chair will reduce to a minimum of 5 minutes the
period of time within which a vote by electronic device, if ordered,
will be taken on the question of the adoption of the resolution.
This is a vote on ordering the previous question. This is a 15-minute
vote.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 229,
nays 199, not voting 6, as follows:
[Roll No. 132]
YEAS--229
Allard
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baker (CA)
Baker (LA)
Ballenger
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bateman
Bereuter
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bliley
Blute
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Brownback
Bryant (TN)
Bunn
Bunning
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Canady
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Christensen
Chrysler
Clinger
Coble
Coburn
Collins (GA)
Combest
Cooley
Cox
Crane
Crapo
Cremeans
Cubin
Cunningham
Davis
DeLay
Diaz-Balart
Dickey
Doolittle
Dornan
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Ehrlich
Emerson
English
Ensign
Everett
Ewing
Fawell
Fields (TX)
Flanagan
Foley
Forbes
Fowler
Fox
Franks (CT)
Franks (NJ)
Frelinghuysen
Frisa
Funderburk
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goodlatte
Goodling
Goss
Graham
Greenwood
Gunderson
Gutknecht
Hancock
Hansen
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Hefley
Heineman
Herger
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hoke
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hunter
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inglis
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Kasich
Kelly
Kim
King
Kingston
Klug
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Largent
Latham
LaTourette
Lazio
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Lightfoot
Linder
Livingston
LoBiondo
Longley
Lucas
Manzullo
Martini
McCollum
McCrery
McDade
McHugh
McInnis
McIntosh
McKeon
Metcalf
Meyers
Mica
Miller (FL)
Molinari
Moorhead
Morella
Myers
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neumann
Ney
Norwood
Nussle
Oxley
Packard
Paxon
Petri
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce
Quillen
Quinn
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Riggs
Roberts
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roth
Roukema
Royce
Salmon
Sanford
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaefer
Schiff
Seastrand
Sensenbrenner
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Shuster
Skeen
Smith (MI)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Solomon
Souder
Spence
Stearns
Stockman
Stump
Talent
Tate
Taylor (NC)
Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Torkildsen
Traficant
Upton
Vucanovich
Waldholtz
Walker
Walsh
Wamp
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
White
Whitfield
Wicker
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Zeliff
Zimmer
NAYS--199
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Andrews
Baesler
Baldacci
Barcia
Barrett (WI)
Beilenson
Bentsen
Berman
Bevill
Bishop
Bonior
Borski
Boucher
Brewster
Browder
Brown (CA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Bryant (TX)
Cardin
Chapman
Clay
Clayton
Clement
Clyburn
Coleman
Collins (IL)
Collins (MI)
Condit
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cramer
Danner
de la Garza
Deal
DeFazio
DeLauro
Dellums
Deutsch
Dicks
Dingell
Dixon
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Durbin
Edwards
Engel
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Fazio
Fields (LA)
Filner
Foglietta
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frost
Furse
Gejdenson
Gephardt
Geren
Gibbons
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green
Gutierrez
Hall (OH)
Hall (TX)
Hamilton
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hayes
Hefner
Hilliard
Hinchey
Holden
Hoyer
Jackson-Lee
Jacobs
Jefferson
Johnson (SD)
Johnson, E.B.
Johnston
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (MA)
Kennedy (RI)
Kennelly
Kildee
Kleczka
Klink
LaFalce
Laughlin
Levin
Lincoln
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Luther
Maloney
Manton
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy
McDermott
McHale
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek
Menendez
Mfume
Miller (CA)
Mineta
Minge
Mink
Moakley
Mollohan
Montgomery
Moran
Murtha
Nadler
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Orton
Owens
Pallone
Parker
Pastor
Payne (NJ)
Payne (VA)
Pelosi
Peterson (FL)
Peterson (MN)
Pickett
Pomeroy
Poshard
Rahall
Rangel
Reed
Reynolds
Richardson
Rivers
Roemer
Rose
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanders
Sawyer
Schroeder
Scott
Serrano
Sisisky
Skaggs
Skelton
Slaughter
Spratt
Stark
Stenholm
Stokes
Studds
Stupak
Tanner
Tauzin
Taylor (MS)
Tejeda
Thompson
Thornton
Thurman
Torres
Torricelli
Towns
Tucker
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Volkmer
Ward
Waters
Watt (NC)
Waxman
Williams
Wilson
Wise
Woolsey
Wyden
Wynn
Yates
NOT VOTING--6
Becerra
Flake
Istook
Lantos
Lewis (GA)
Schumer
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So the previous question was ordered.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Gillmor). The question is on the
resolution.
The question was taken, and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 227,
nays 197, not voting 10, as follows:
[Roll No. 133]
YEAS--227
Allard
Archer
Armey
Bachus
Baker (CA)
Baker (LA)
Ballenger
Barr
Barrett (NE)
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bateman
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bliley
Blute
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bono
Brewster
Brownback
Bryant (TN)
Bunn
Bunning
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Canady
Castle
Chabot
Chambliss
Chenoweth
Christensen
Chrysler
Clinger
Coble
Coburn
Collins (GA)
Combest
Cooley
Cox
Crane
Crapo
Cremeans
Cubin
Cunningham
Davis
DeLay
Diaz-Balart
Dickey
Doolittle
Dornan
Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Ehrlich
English
Ensign
Everett
Ewing
Fawell
Fields (TX)
Flanagan
Foley
Forbes
Fowler
Fox
Franks (CT)
Franks (NJ)
Frelinghuysen
Frisa
Funderburk
Gallegly
Ganske
Gekas
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gilman
Goodlatte
Goodling
Goss
Graham
Greenwood
Gunderson
Gutknecht
Hancock
Hansen
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Hefley
Heineman
Herger
Hilleary
Hobson
Hoekstra
Hoke
Horn
Hostettler
Houghton
Hunter
Hutchinson
Hyde
Inglis
Istook
Johnson (CT)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Kasich
Kelly
Kim
King
Kingston
Klug
Knollenberg
Kolbe
LaHood
Largent
Latham
LaTourette
Lazio
Leach
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Lightfoot
Linder
Livingston
LoBiondo
Longley
Lucas
Manzullo
Martini
McCollum
McCrery
McDade
McHugh
McInnis
McKeon
Metcalf
Meyers
Mica
Miller (FL)
Molinari
Moorhead
Morella
Myers
Myrick
Nethercutt
Neumann
Ney
Norwood
Nussle
Oxley
Packard
Paxon
Petri
Pickett
Pombo
Porter
Portman
Pryce
Quillen
Quinn
Radanovich
Rahall
Ramstad
Regula
Riggs
Roberts
Rogers
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Roth
Roukema
Salmon
Sanford
Saxton
Scarborough
Schaefer
Schiff
Seastrand
Sensenbrenner
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Shuster
Skeen
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Solomon
Souder
Spence
Stearns
Stockman
Stump
Tate
Taylor (NC)
[[Page H1779]] Thomas
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Torkildsen
Traficant
Upton
Vucanovich
Waldholtz
Walker
Walsh
Wamp
Watts (OK)
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
White
Whitfield
Wicker
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Zeliff
Zimmer
NAYS--197
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Andrews
Baesler
Baldacci
Barcia
Barrett (WI)
Beilenson
Bentsen
Bereuter
Berman
Bevill
Bishop
Bonior
Borski
Boucher
Browder
Brown (CA)
Brown (FL)
Brown (OH)
Bryant (TX)
Cardin
Chapman
Clay
Clayton
Clement
Clyburn
Coleman
Collins (IL)
Collins (MI)
Condit
Conyers
Costello
Coyne
Cramer
Danner
de la Garza
Deal
DeFazio
DeLauro
Dellums
Deutsch
Dicks
Dingell
Dixon
Doggett
Dooley
Doyle
Durbin
Edwards
Engel
Eshoo
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Fazio
Fields (LA)
Filner
Flake
Foglietta
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frost
Furse
Gejdenson
Gephardt
Geren
Gibbons
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green
Gutierrez
Hall (OH)
Hall (TX)
Hamilton
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hayes
Hefner
Hilliard
Hinchey
Holden
Hoyer
Jackson-Lee
Jacobs
Jefferson
Johnson (SD)
Johnson, E.B.
Johnston
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (MA)
Kennedy (RI)
Kennelly
Kildee
Kleczka
Klink
LaFalce
Laughlin
Levin
Lincoln
Lipinski
Lofgren
Lowey
Luther
Maloney
Manton
Markey
Martinez
Mascara
Matsui
McCarthy
McDermott
McHale
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek
Menendez
Mfume
Miller (CA)
Mineta
Minge
Mink
Moakley
Mollohan
Montgomery
Moran
Murtha
Nadler
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Orton
Owens
Pallone
Parker
Pastor
Payne (NJ)
Payne (VA)
Pelosi
Peterson (FL)
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Poshard
Rangel
Reed
Reynolds
Richardson
Rivers
Roemer
Rose
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanders
Sawyer
Schroeder
Schumer
Scott
Serrano
Sisisky
Skaggs
Skelton
Slaughter
Spratt
Stark
Stenholm
Stokes
Studds
Stupak
Tanner
Tauzin
Taylor (MS)
Tejeda
Thompson
Thornton
Thurman
Torres
Torricelli
Tucker
Velazquez
Vento
Visclosky
Volkmer
Ward
Waters
Watt (NC)
Waxman
Williams
Wise
Woolsey
Wyden
Wynn
Yates
NOT VOTING--10
Becerra
Emerson
Lantos
Lewis (GA)
McIntosh
Royce
Smith (MI)
Talent
Towns
Wilson
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So the resolution was agreed to.
The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
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