[Congressional Record Volume 141, Number 30 (Wednesday, February 15, 1995)]
[House]
[Pages H1776-H1779]
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PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 7, NATIONAL SECURITY REVITALIZATION 
                                  ACT

  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I would ask how much time remains on 
my side.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Hall] has 5 
minutes remaining, and the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon] has 
2\1/2\ minutes remaining, and he has the right to close.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield my remaining time to the 
gentleman from California [Mr. Dellums], the ranking minority member of 
the Committee on National Security.

[[Page H1777]]

  Mr. DELLUMS. Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning in sadness and 
disappointment, but I also rise in resolute opposition to this rule.
  Earlier in the course of this debate, one of my distinguished 
colleagues on this side of the aisle said ``In making your case, either 
argue the facts or argue the law or argue fairness.'' I choose to 
accept that challenge, Mr. Speaker, and accept the arduous 
responsibility of addressing all three of them.
  First, to the issue of facts. This rule says there shall be 10 hours 
of debate for the purposes of amendment. Mr. Speaker, there are 44 
amendments printed in the Record. In looking at those 44 amendments, 26 
of them are independent, nonduplicative amendments.
  We have 17 minutes per vote. If there is a vote on all 26 of those 
amendments, we arrive at a grand total of 7 hours and 22 minutes, 
leaving us 2 hours and 38 minutes, not 10 hours, for the purposes of 
debating 26 amendments, an average of 6 minutes per amendment for 
debate.
  Let us pull off the sham of what this is all about, Mr. Speaker.

                              {time}  1330

  Mr. Speaker, to the issue of law. This proposed law has enormous 
budget implications. If we are talking about star wars and a space-
based system we can be talking about between $30 billion and in excess 
of $40 billion, no small amount.
  This has ABM ballistic missile defense treaty implications. We should 
always walk fragilely and cautiously whenever we speak to a treaty.
  The bill has enormous constitutional implications. The Framers of the 
Constitution gave this body the ability to develop and raise forces, 
but it correctly gave the President of the United States the right to 
array those forces.
  There are command and control issues here. There is an effort here to 
dissipate the whole notion of peacekeeping. I would assert to all of my 
colleagues that the Somalias, the Haitis, the Bosnias, and the Rwandas 
of the world are the wave of the future, peacekeeping is here. It must 
be here on the line here.
  Finally to the question of NATO, we have never, Mr. Speaker, debated 
the issue of NATO, never in the 24 years that this gentleman has been 
here. This has enormous foreign policy implications, implications for 
our allies.
  Finally, to the question of fairness, Mr. Speaker, I do not raise the 
issue of fairness, but rather I challenge us to a higher level of 
responsibility. I challenge us to carry out our fiduciary 
responsibilities, our basic contract as it were, to the American 
people.
  What drives this train? What drives this train is a campaign promise. 
But in the remaining moments I have, Mr. Speaker, I choose not to 
denigrate campaign promises but rather to dignify them, and I would 
attempt to do that by asserting this: When you move, Mr. Speaker, from 
campaign promise to substantive legislation, a legislative initiative, 
at that point as Members of Congress, it is incumbent upon us to make 
sure, to guarantee that the process is deliberative, it is substantive, 
it is thoughtful, leaving us with our ability to say to our American 
people, our basic boilerplate contract to you is that we will engage in 
a procession that is equal to the task that we put before you, that it 
embraces the substantive nature of the issues that we are engaged in. 
Anything less than that is a folly.
  So if you are going to have a contract for America, fine, no problem. 
But whatever your politics are, I probably have learned how to lose on 
this floor more than everybody in here collectively.
  That is not the issue, Mr. Speaker. But what is? All 435 of us, 
Members of Congress and delegates, must come together and be united at 
one point and that is the issue of openness, that we should be able to 
return to our constituencies and look them in the eye and say the 
fundamental contract that we have with you is this: We made decisions 
that were based on the deliberative process.
  Six minutes to debate foreign policy, national security, and 
intelligence policy of this country belies the reality. It belittles 
all of us.
  Mr. Chairman, 10 hours is absurd.
  One final point. A number of my colleagues on this side of the aisle 
in the last 2 years stood up and complemented this gentleman to the 
point of my personal embarrassment by saying I do not always agree with 
the gentleman from California, and I understand that, but they said we 
appreciate the gentleman's openness and fairness. And the first time 
that my colleagues had an opportunity not simply to come to compliment 
with words but to compliment with deeds and gestures, they say take 
this 10 hours and cram it down your throat. I would never have ever 
come to this floor advocating a 10-hour amount on a matter of such 
substance.
  Mr. Chairman, Members on this side of the aisle, stand up resolutely 
and oppose this rule in the name of competence, fairness, and our 
fiduciary responsibility to the American people.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentlemen from Missouri 
[Mr. Volkmer] for the purpose of making a unanimous-consent request.
  Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the rule be 
amended to provide that time used for voting on amendments not count 
toward the 10 hours of debate.
  The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon] yield for 
that purpose?
  Mr. SOLOMON. No, Mr. Speaker, and the rule does not allow it. The 
time was yielded for debate purposes only.
  The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York does not yield for that 
purpose, and the gentleman from Missouri is not recognized.
  Ms. PRYCE. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself our final 2\1/2\ minutes.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of this open and fair rule for 
the consideration of the National Security Revitalization Act. And I 
appreciate the statements of my friend from California, but I must 
disagree. This is a fair rule and a responsible rule. And when the 
gentleman was at the Committee on Rules, we were close to an agreement 
as to the time for this debate. And I must commend the gentleman from 
New York, the distinguished chairman of the Committee on Rules, Mr. 
Solomon, for explaining just why this is an open and fair rule, and the 
role of the minority leadership in limiting this time.
  Many of our Members do not realize that their failure to negotiate 
and their failure to agree to begin work early each morning helped 
decide the time lines for this rule. More time had been offered but no 
agreement could be made because no one would negotiate on the other 
side of the aisle.
  And so, my friends, under this rule we have up to 10 hours to debate 
amendments, on top of the 2 hours set aside for general debate. We have 
not had this much concentrated debate in recent history, 40 years I 
might suggest under an open rule on these matters, and because this is 
an open rule, any Member can offer a germane amendment to the bill and 
those who have preprinted in the Record will be given priority.
  Since the 104th Congress began a few weeks ago our attention has been 
focused primarily on the domestic side of the American agenda. We 
tackled such issues as how to cut such spending, and chief among those 
was balanced budgets and fighting crime, but now by adopting this rule 
today, Mr. Speaker we can begin debate on the very important question 
of how the United States will respond to the emerging security 
challenges of the next century.
  As the United States adjusts to the post-cold-war era we must remain 
focused, strong, and vigilant. Yet many serious questions have been 
raised about the status of our present defense strategy, the state of 
military readiness, and the adequacy of defense spending.
  Congress must find the answers to these questions, and the bill 
before us will take us one step closer to constructively addressing 
these and many other fundamental issues affecting Americans' national 
security policy.

                              {time}  1340

  And despite partisan complaints which I have heard about this 
legislation, enhancing national security should not be a Democrat or 
Republican issue. It should be a bipartisan issue, and I am pleased to 
note that the National Security Committee reported H.R. 7 out with 
strong bipartisan support.
  [[Page H1778]] Mr. Speaker, I hope the spirit of bipartisan 
cooperation will enable us to adopt this fair rule and begin 
consideration of a very forward-looking proposal to reshape our future 
national security.
  In closing, I would just like to congratulate my chairman, the 
gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon], for his outspoken leadership, 
unfailing commitment to maintaining a strong defense, his arduous 
attempts to negotiate, and I urge the adoption of this fair rule.
  Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question on the resolution.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Gillmor). The question is on ordering 
the previous question.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair announces that, pursuant to clause 
5 of rule XV, the Chair will reduce to a minimum of 5 minutes the 
period of time within which a vote by electronic device, if ordered, 
will be taken on the question of the adoption of the resolution.
  This is a vote on ordering the previous question. This is a 15-minute 
vote.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 229, 
nays 199, not voting 6, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 132]

                               YEAS--229

     Allard
      Archer
      Armey
      Bachus
      Baker (CA)
      Baker (LA)
      Ballenger
      Barr
      Barrett (NE)
      Bartlett
      Barton
      Bass
      Bateman
      Bereuter
      Bilbray
      Bilirakis
      Bliley
      Blute
      Boehlert
      Boehner
      Bonilla
      Bono
      Brownback
      Bryant (TN)
      Bunn
      Bunning
      Burr
      Burton
      Buyer
      Callahan
      Calvert
      Camp
      Canady
      Castle
      Chabot
      Chambliss
      Chenoweth
      Christensen
      Chrysler
      Clinger
      Coble
      Coburn
      Collins (GA)
      Combest
      Cooley
      Cox
      Crane
      Crapo
      Cremeans
      Cubin
      Cunningham
      Davis
      DeLay
      Diaz-Balart
      Dickey
      Doolittle
      Dornan
      Dreier
      Duncan
      Dunn
      Ehlers
      Ehrlich
      Emerson
      English
      Ensign
      Everett
      Ewing
      Fawell
      Fields (TX)
      Flanagan
      Foley
      Forbes
      Fowler
      Fox
      Franks (CT)
      Franks (NJ)
      Frelinghuysen
      Frisa
      Funderburk
      Gallegly
      Ganske
      Gekas
      Gilchrest
      Gillmor
      Gilman
      Goodlatte
      Goodling
      Goss
      Graham
      Greenwood
      Gunderson
      Gutknecht
      Hancock
      Hansen
      Hastert
      Hastings (WA)
      Hayworth
      Hefley
      Heineman
      Herger
      Hilleary
      Hobson
      Hoekstra
      Hoke
      Horn
      Hostettler
      Houghton
      Hunter
      Hutchinson
      Hyde
      Inglis
      Johnson (CT)
      Johnson, Sam
      Jones
      Kasich
      Kelly
      Kim
      King
      Kingston
      Klug
      Knollenberg
      Kolbe
      LaHood
      Largent
      Latham
      LaTourette
      Lazio
      Leach
      Lewis (CA)
      Lewis (KY)
      Lightfoot
      Linder
      Livingston
      LoBiondo
      Longley
      Lucas
      Manzullo
      Martini
      McCollum
      McCrery
      McDade
      McHugh
      McInnis
      McIntosh
      McKeon
      Metcalf
      Meyers
      Mica
      Miller (FL)
      Molinari
      Moorhead
      Morella
      Myers
      Myrick
      Nethercutt
      Neumann
      Ney
      Norwood
      Nussle
      Oxley
      Packard
      Paxon
      Petri
      Pombo
      Porter
      Portman
      Pryce
      Quillen
      Quinn
      Radanovich
      Ramstad
      Regula
      Riggs
      Roberts
      Rogers
      Rohrabacher
      Ros-Lehtinen
      Roth
      Roukema
      Royce
      Salmon
      Sanford
      Saxton
      Scarborough
      Schaefer
      Schiff
      Seastrand
      Sensenbrenner
      Shadegg
      Shaw
      Shays
      Shuster
      Skeen
      Smith (MI)
      Smith (NJ)
      Smith (TX)
      Smith (WA)
      Solomon
      Souder
      Spence
      Stearns
      Stockman
      Stump
      Talent
      Tate
      Taylor (NC)
      Thomas
      Thornberry
      Tiahrt
      Torkildsen
      Traficant
      Upton
      Vucanovich
      Waldholtz
      Walker
      Walsh
      Wamp
      Watts (OK)
      Weldon (FL)
      Weldon (PA)
      Weller
      White
      Whitfield
      Wicker
      Wolf
      Young (AK)
      Young (FL)
      Zeliff
      Zimmer

                               NAYS--199

     Abercrombie
      Ackerman
      Andrews
      Baesler
      Baldacci
      Barcia
      Barrett (WI)
      Beilenson
      Bentsen
      Berman
      Bevill
      Bishop
      Bonior
      Borski
      Boucher
      Brewster
      Browder
      Brown (CA)
      Brown (FL)
      Brown (OH)
      Bryant (TX)
      Cardin
      Chapman
      Clay
      Clayton
      Clement
      Clyburn
      Coleman
      Collins (IL)
      Collins (MI)
      Condit
      Conyers
      Costello
      Coyne
      Cramer
      Danner
      de la Garza
      Deal
      DeFazio
      DeLauro
      Dellums
      Deutsch
      Dicks
      Dingell
      Dixon
      Doggett
      Dooley
      Doyle
      Durbin
      Edwards
      Engel
      Eshoo
      Evans
      Farr
      Fattah
      Fazio
      Fields (LA)
      Filner
      Foglietta
      Ford
      Frank (MA)
      Frost
      Furse
      Gejdenson
      Gephardt
      Geren
      Gibbons
      Gonzalez
      Gordon
      Green
      Gutierrez
      Hall (OH)
      Hall (TX)
      Hamilton
      Harman
      Hastings (FL)
      Hayes
      Hefner
      Hilliard
      Hinchey
      Holden
      Hoyer
      Jackson-Lee
      Jacobs
      Jefferson
      Johnson (SD)
      Johnson, E.B.
      Johnston
      Kanjorski
      Kaptur
      Kennedy (MA)
      Kennedy (RI)
      Kennelly
      Kildee
      Kleczka
      Klink
      LaFalce
      Laughlin
      Levin
      Lincoln
      Lipinski
      Lofgren
      Lowey
      Luther
      Maloney
      Manton
      Markey
      Martinez
      Mascara
      Matsui
      McCarthy
      McDermott
      McHale
      McKinney
      McNulty
      Meehan
      Meek
      Menendez
      Mfume
      Miller (CA)
      Mineta
      Minge
      Mink
      Moakley
      Mollohan
      Montgomery
      Moran
      Murtha
      Nadler
      Neal
      Oberstar
      Obey
      Olver
      Ortiz
      Orton
      Owens
      Pallone
      Parker
      Pastor
      Payne (NJ)
      Payne (VA)
      Pelosi
      Peterson (FL)
      Peterson (MN)
      Pickett
      Pomeroy
      Poshard
      Rahall
      Rangel
      Reed
      Reynolds
      Richardson
      Rivers
      Roemer
      Rose
      Roybal-Allard
      Rush
      Sabo
      Sanders
      Sawyer
      Schroeder
      Scott
      Serrano
      Sisisky
      Skaggs
      Skelton
      Slaughter
      Spratt
      Stark
      Stenholm
      Stokes
      Studds
      Stupak
      Tanner
      Tauzin
      Taylor (MS)
      Tejeda
      Thompson
      Thornton
      Thurman
      Torres
      Torricelli
      Towns
      Tucker
      Velazquez
      Vento
      Visclosky
      Volkmer
      Ward
      Waters
      Watt (NC)
      Waxman
      Williams
      Wilson
      Wise
      Woolsey
      Wyden
      Wynn
      Yates

                             NOT VOTING--6

     Becerra
      Flake
      Istook
      Lantos
      Lewis (GA)
      Schumer

                              {time}  1356

  So the previous question was ordered.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Gillmor). The question is on the 
resolution.
  The question was taken, and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.
  Mr. HALL of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 227, 
nays 197, not voting 10, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 133]

                               YEAS--227

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barr
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bass
     Bateman
     Bilbray
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bono
     Brewster
     Brownback
     Bryant (TN)
     Bunn
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Chabot
     Chambliss
     Chenoweth
     Christensen
     Chrysler
     Clinger
     Coble
     Coburn
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooley
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cremeans
     Cubin
     Cunningham
     Davis
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Ehrlich
     English
     Ensign
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Flanagan
     Foley
     Forbes
     Fowler
     Fox
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frelinghuysen
     Frisa
     Funderburk
     Gallegly
     Ganske
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Graham
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Gutknecht
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hastings (WA)
     Hayworth
     Hefley
     Heineman
     Herger
     Hilleary
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Hostettler
     Houghton
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Jones
     Kasich
     Kelly
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     LaHood
     Largent
     Latham
     LaTourette
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     LoBiondo
     Longley
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     Martini
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     Metcalf
     Meyers
     Mica
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Myrick
     Nethercutt
     Neumann
     Ney
     Norwood
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pickett
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Radanovich
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Riggs
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Salmon
     Sanford
     Saxton
     Scarborough
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Seastrand
     Sensenbrenner
     Shadegg
     Shaw
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Solomon
     Souder
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stockman
     Stump
     Tate
     Taylor (NC)
     [[Page H1779]] Thomas
     Thornberry
     Tiahrt
     Torkildsen
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Waldholtz
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wamp
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Weller
     White
     Whitfield
     Wicker
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--197

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews
     Baesler
     Baldacci
     Barcia
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Bentsen
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant (TX)
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Doggett
     Dooley
     Doyle
     Durbin
     Edwards
     Engel
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fattah
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford
     Frank (MA)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings (FL)
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Jackson-Lee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E.B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy (MA)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     LaFalce
     Laughlin
     Levin
     Lincoln
     Lipinski
     Lofgren
     Lowey
     Luther
     Maloney
     Manton
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mascara
     Matsui
     McCarthy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Rangel
     Reed
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Rivers
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Tucker
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Ward
     Waters
     Watt (NC)
     Waxman
     Williams
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--10

     Becerra
     Emerson
     Lantos
     Lewis (GA)
     McIntosh
     Royce
     Smith (MI)
     Talent
     Towns
     Wilson

                              {time}  1404

  So the resolution was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
  

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