[Congressional Record Volume 141, Number 15 (Wednesday, January 25, 1995)]
[Senate]
[Pages S1532-S1535]
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UNFUNDED MANDATE REFORM ACT
The Senate continued with the consideration of the bill.
Mr. LAUTENBERG addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Jersey.
Mr. DOLE addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Will the Senator yield to the majority leader?
Mr. LAUTENBERG. Absolutely.
Mr. DOLE. Mr. President, there is not a ``no more vote'' sign out
there because I did say--and I am reminded by the Senator from
Kentucky--that we would be here until 11 o'clock tonight, tomorrow
night, whatever it took.
I assume now we will debate this amendment and two additional
amendments. We will probably be here until about 9:30. The question is
whether we want to have a vote at that time, or have the vote tomorrow
morning. I am prepared to do it either way. There are a number of our
colleagues at a press dinner. Some would not be displeased if they were
called back about 9 o'clock. Others who are on the program would be;
but whatever the wishes of the Senator from Kentucky.
Mr. FORD addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Kentucky.
Mr. FORD. Mr. President, I did not know it was all left up to me.
Mr. DOLE. No. I said we have not said that there would be no more
votes. I am prepared to do it either way.
Mr. FORD. Mr. President, I say to the majority leader that I
understand the problem that he got into, and he probably will not get
in this deep again for awhile. The Senator from New Jersey has an
amendment. I am willing to debate him tonight and stack the votes until
tomorrow. I would prefer that we have 40 minutes tomorrow in the
morning, that we debate it tomorrow, and then have the motion as
proposed by the distinguished Senator from Idaho.
That is my preference. In order to accommodate the leader, I am
perfectly willing to debate it tonight. However, we can vote on it
tomorrow, and the votes apparently are going to be stacked. Two or
three votes will be stacked, and I will be part of that. I am willing
to acquiesce to that.
Mr. DOLE. Or we give you 5 minutes each before the vote tomorrow.
Mr. FORD. That would suit me fine, but I am trying to be--like my
daddy told me, ``When you sell it and they ask you when do you want to
be paid for it, say right now is fine.'' I have tried to accommodate
the leader. Now you are trying to stick me over to tomorrow and divide
me up. Let us debate it tonight and put the vote off until tomorrow.
But do not have it too early. Those fellows over at the press dinner
probably are going to have such a good time they will want to sleep in
the morning.
Mr. DOLE. I am still sleepy from last night. In any event, that press
dinner does last a while. It is live on C-SPAN. If you are not able to
go, but you would like to watch it--which I prefer--it will be on about
from 9:45 until 10:30.
So if that is agreeable, I appreciate the consideration by my friend
from Kentucky. There will be the debate on the Lautenberg amendment,
which is 40 minutes, I understand, equally divided. Two Levin
amendments will be offered. I do not know of any time on that. If there
are any rollcall votes ordered on any of the amendments, they will be
postponed until tomorrow morning.
At 9 o'clock there will be an immigration amendment, we hope. I guess
the point is that none of the votes will occur until disposition of the
immigration amendment, and we will try to stack the votes, probably
after 10, maybe later than that.
Mr. FORD. Mr. President, may I ask the distinguished majority leader,
are we coming in at 9?
Mr. DOLE. We will come in at 9.
Mr. FORD. Then morning business?
Mr. DOLE. We are not going to have morning business. We will get
right on the bill.
Mr. FORD. But you will go to the immigration amendment?
Mr. DOLE. There is an hour agreement on that. So that will be at
least 10 o'clock. That vote will occur at 10, followed by a vote on
Lautenberg, or any other votes ordered.
Mr. FORD. At 10 o'clock, or a minute or two after that. After the
prayer and so forth, there will be an hour, which will take us to a few
minutes after 10, when the first vote will occur.
Mr. DOLE. There will be no votes before 10, if that is all right with
the Democratic leader. If that is agreeable to everybody, there will be
no more votes this evening.
Mr. GLENN. The majority leader mentioned immigration. We are trying
to work on differences on both sides on immigration. Did you not have
that as part of any agreement?
Mr. DOLE. I did not make a request. But we can put it in writing if
it works out. We still will not have any votes before 10, I can assure
the Senator from Kentucky.
Mr. GLENN. Is that when we go back on the bill?
Mr. DOLE. That will be at 9.
Amendment No. 199
Mr. LAUTENBERG. Mr. President, I would like to turn to the
consideration of my amendment No. 199 at this time.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Amendment No. 199 is the pending business.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. Mr. President, I felt like a spectator as I was
watching this debate occur. The majority leader knew that he had my
good will as part of his dialog here. Since I was not asked, I just
kind of shook my head. I was glad to be here. Obviously, those of us
without a sense of humor are here because tonight is the funny night
down there. It may be funnier here.
Mr. President, I thank my colleagues, the managers of the bill, the
distinguished Senator from Ohio and the distinguished Senator from
Idaho, for their interest in moving this legislation. I marvel at their
patience and their good temperament, because it has not been easy,
especially when there are those of us who think that the legislation is
appropriate, but at the same time want to amend it to make it as good
as we can in our own views and our own perspectives.
So I rise to speak for the fourth time on the subject of unfunded
mandates. I understand I have 20 minutes, and I do not know whether I
will use it all--probably not. But I will use sufficient time to
discuss the subject now.
I offer this amendment which is as simple as it is compelling. I
offer it because I believe that some laws are so important to the well-
being of our citizens that regardless of whether the Federal Government
fully pays for them, State and local governments should be required to
implement them.
The authors of this bill recognized this fundamental truth, and that
is why they created exclusions to S. 1. Federal legislation designed to
enforce the constitutional rights of individuals are exempt from the
strictures of the unfunded mandate law. So is legislation designed to
protect statutory rights when they are threatened by discrimination. So
is legislation deemed to be necessary to protect our national security.
Mr. President, my amendment would expand the list of exemptions to S.
1 to include limits of or on exposure to known human carcinogens. The
Environmental Protection Agency has a list of substances which are
believed to be causally connected to cancer in human beings. Evidence
from human studies confirms a relationship between exposure to these
substances and cancer.
[[Page S1533]] These known carcinogens include: arsenic, asbestos,
benzene, nickel, radon, and environmental tobacco smoke.
I ask unanimous consent that EPA's complete list of Group A
carcinogens be printed in the Record at this time.
There being no objection, the list was ordered to be printed in the
Record, as follows:
EPA's Group A Carcinogens
Group A: known human carcinogens:
``This group is used only when there is sufficient evidence
from epidemiologic studies to support a causal association
between exposure to the agents and cancer''. (EPA's Risk
Assessment Guidelines of 1986)
Arsenic.
Asbestos.
Benzene.
Benzidine.
Bis(chloromethyl)ether.
Chromium VI.
Coke oven emissions.
Diethylstilbestrol.
direct black 38--benzidine-based dye.
direct blue 6----benzidine-based dye.
direct brown 95----benzidine-based dye.
Environmental tobacco smoke (ETS).*
2-naphthylamine.
Nickel.
Radon (and other radionuclides).
Vinyl chloride.
*ETS is the only carcinogen in Group A for which the cancer
risk in humans was detected at environmental exposure levels,
rather than occupational or pharmaceutical levels.
ETS is also the only Group A carcinogen which is not
subject to regulation by EPA.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. My view is that protecting our citizens from
avoidable risks is an essential responsibility of government. It is an
obligation which State and local government must accept and discharge--
even if the Federal Government does not pay all the costs of doing so.
On another level, though, I recognize that States and cities are
often unable to afford the cost of Federal mandates. They need the
flexibility to set their own priorities and implement Federal mandates
efficiently. There is a commonsense appeal to this statement.
But we must also recognize that problems which cross State borders
can only be effectively addressed at the Federal level.
Pollution, for example, knows no State borders. If each State
develops its own pollution policy, some States will adopt stricter laws
than others. As a result, a State with strong environmental laws, such
as New Jersey, might fall victim to pollution from a nearby State with
weaker standards. The cost of dealing with this foreign pollution would
be unfairly borne by New Jersey taxpayers.
During the last few weeks, I have discussed the problem of State
shopping that might result from this bill. With a patchwork of
differing standards across the States, why wouldn't companies build
factories in States with the least stringent environmental standards?
In order to remain competitive, why wouldn't States with higher
standards, lower them? This dangerous race to the bottom would lower
the quality of life for all Americans. And I believe the Federal
Government has a moral responsibility to discourage it.
The cancer-causing group A substances identified in my amendment are
so deadly, and the Federal role in efforts to reduce our exposure to
them are so important that I believe efforts to restrict human exposure
to them should be exempt from the points of order in S. 1.
I commend the Senator from Idaho for his tenacity which ensured
unfunded mandates would be a priority. I also want to commend the
Senator from Ohio for his hard work in committee and on the floor to
improve this bill. Together, they have forged a bill that would create
better intergovernmental relations.
But central to this bill is the recognition that certain laws are so
important to our Nation's welfare that they must be enacted and
enforced--regardless of whether State and local governments will have
to pay to implement them.
Mr. President, I think legislation to control known human carcinogens
is so important that it warrants special consideration. Certainly,
protection from deadly exposure to cancer-causing substances is as
critical as any of the exclusions currently found in S. 1. Those who
have lost loved ones to this disease can tell you that.
I believe this bill, as currently drafted, could hamper congressional
efforts to protect the public from cancer-causing agents. Let me
explain why.
Some of my colleagues might say that once the EPA determines
something to be a group A carcinogen, there would be a broad consensus
to protect children from it. But that is not the case at all.
Consider the case of radon. Radon, an invisible, toxic gas, is very
threatening. Radon is one of the most serious environmental health
risks facing the country. In my State, radon is the most prevalent
environmental cause of cancer. Nationwide studies show elevated radon
levels in 25 percent of our homes and in 20 percent of our schools.
Radon testing and mitigation are relatively inexpensive. Still, because
this problem is so widespread, a mandate to test for and reduce radon
levels in schools would certainly pass the $50 million threshold
contained in S. 1.
Last year, I offered, and the Environment and Public Works Committee
reported, a bill to do radon testing in schools. It was never
considered on the floor of the U.S. Senate. And one of the reasons is
was not, was because some objected to the cost that would have to be
assumed if tests revealed unacceptable levels of radon.
S. 1 would institutionalize those concerns and roadblocks. It would
tie our hands and prevent us from passing legislation that requires
radon testing and mitigation in schools. Someone would argue that radon
is just a medium-risk hazard. And, as a result, progress in the fight
against radon-related disease would be threatened. After smoking, radon
is the second leading cause of lung cancer. Is not protecting our
children from this risk important enough to support Federal
legislation?
Again, I ask my colleagues: Are we prepared to surrender to all the
different States the basic obligation of protecting the health--and in
this case, the lives--of American citizens? Are we prepared to allow
thousands of American children to be exposed to proven carcinogens? Is
it a defense--or even an excuse--to say we are leaving this up to the
States? I hope not.
I will conclude my remarks, Mr. President, to allow others to speak
about my amendment. But I would ask my colleagues to think about the
children whose health might be affected if we are unable to effectively
regulate group A carcinogens. My youngest daughter is about to give
birth to my second grandchild and I cannot help wondering how this
bill, as written, might affect his or her health.
I feel that it is my obligation to protect that child with all of the
might and the power that I can muster. I am sure that everyone else
feels similarly about their children and grandchildren and the
generations that follow.
As a consequence of that, I hope that we will have the support to
amend S. 1 to include this very important exemption.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that Senator Bradley from New
Jersey and Senator Boxer from California be listed as cosponsors of
this legislation.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Who yields time?
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum, and
I ask unanimous consent that the time that we are in a quorum call be
equally charged to both sides.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
Mr. LAUTENBERG. Mr. President, I will not object, but I must note
that the time that I used was because I was here and prepared to speak
on the amendment.
I hope that my colleague from Kentucky is ready to speak.
Mr. FORD addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Kentucky.
Mr. FORD. Mr. President, will the distinguished Senator from Idaho
yield me at least 5 minutes?
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. Mr. President, I am more than happy to yield 10
minutes to the Senator from Kentucky.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Kentucky.
Mr. FORD. That is probably twice what I will need. I usually like to
work and not talk.
Mr. President, the amendment offered by my colleague from New Jersey
is unwise. Since the proposed amendment would give the Environmental
[[Page S1534]] Protection Agency authority in deciding what causes are
worthy of exemption from this bill, I feel it deserves closer attention
than could be afforded a floor amendment on an unrelated bill. The
amendment before the Senate is a powerful amendment. It adds to a list
of special exemptions for items that are so important to the fabric of
our Nation that they should receive preferential treatment.
I question why we should give an agency whose credibility is in such
question. I am not the first to raise the issue of the EPA falling down
on the job. By some people's judgment, if it was not for rash and
politically motivated regulations and decisions by the EPA, we might
not even need the unfunded mandates bill.
I have a report here that outlines the problems at the EPA. It is
called ``Safeguarding the Future: Credible Science, Credible
Decisions.'' It was produced by an expert panel on the role of science
at EPA. The reason that the EPA needed such a report was simple: The
agency has been unable to base its actions on unpoliticized science.
Its findings are nothing short of startling.
Furthermore, the EPA is not even sure what is a class A carcinogen. I
submit a letter from the EPA that states that putting an ``exact number
of chemicals on this unofficial `A' list is tricky * * *.'' Some
chemicals are grouped with others, some don't appear on EPA's risk
hotline called IRIS, with this kind of information coming out of the
EPA, we have no idea what this amendment could lead to down the road.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that a letter from the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency dated June 21, 1994, to my office, be
included in the Record at this point.
There being no objection, the letter is ordered to be printed in the
Record, as follows:
U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency,
Washington, DC, June 21, 1994.
To: Matthew Rapp.
From: Jeanette A. Wiltse, Ph.D., Deputy Director, Office of
Health and Environmental Assessment (8601).
Re: EPA Classification of Suspected Carcinogens.
Attached is the information that you requested on
substances identified by EPA as Class A carcinogens. We have
provided both use and health effects information.
Please be aware that the exact number of chemicals on this
unofficial ``A'' list is tricky depending on how they are
grouped. Often you will see just nickel listed, while on IRIS
two nickel compounds are listed separately. Also, you may see
radionuclides and radon listed separately or just radon
mentioned as a catch-all for the whole group. As you know,
there are at least 300 different radionuclides.
If you need additional information please call me at 202-
260-7315.
Mr. FORD. Mr. President, a prime example of what could happen is
chlorine. Chlorine, according to a recent newspaper article:
* * * is found in such diverse products as Teflon, compact
discs, photographic film, sofa cushions, linoleum and lawn
chemicals. It is used in 85 percent of all pesticides,
purifies 98 percent of all U.S. drinking water, and directly
affects 1.3 million American jobs. Chlorine is so important,
in fact, that it is used in 60 percent of all chemical
transactions--which amounts to 40 percent of our total gross
national product.
Guess which product is likely to get on EPA's unofficial group A
list? Chlorine. The EPA stated last year that it should ``develop a
national strategy for subjecting, reducing, or prohibiting the use of
chlorine and chlorinated compounds.''
Mr. President, to me this proves we should not give the EPA this new
authority, and should not by our actions condone its behavior.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. Mr. President, how much time is remaining?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Eight minutes and 56 seconds.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. I ask the manager of the bill at this point whether
there are additional speakers?
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. Mr. President, in response to my friend from New
Jersey, no. I would have a quick comment at the conclusion of this. I
think that will be all the speakers tonight.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. Mr. President, I yield myself such time as I need,
and in the interest of trying to reduce this debate to its shortest
possible period I want to respond to the distinguished Senator from
Kentucky by just saying that I understand why he is raising those
questions. Certainly there is a lot there that can be questioned.
In this case, Mr. President, I, too, have a letter and I assume it is
not the same letter that the Senator from Kentucky submitted for the
Record because he ascribed a June date to that and this letter is
January issue. It is addressed to me from Miss Browner, who is the
Administrator of the EPA, and she says--and I will put the full letter
in the Record:
Group A carcinogens are, as explained at length in EPA's
Risk Assessment Guidelines, those which have, in fact, caused
cancer in humans. Group A classification does not derive from
laboratory studies and inferences, assumptions or other
uncertainties. These are instances which have resulted in
cancer.
That is a pretty specific statement. When actions are needed to
effectively limit exposure to these substances, EPA should be able to
move expeditiously to do so.
She goes on further to say, ``Your amendment would provide an
exemption from the procedural and other requirements of S. 1 that could
delay or prevent congressional or other actions to limit exposure to
known human carcinogens,'' signed Carol M. Browner, Administrator for
EPA.
I ask unanimous consent that this letter be printed in the Record.
There being no objection, the letter is ordered to be printed in the
Record, as follows:
Environmental Protection Agency,
Washington, DC, January 25, 1995.
Hon. Frank Lautenberg,
U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
Dear Senator Lautenberg: I applaud your effort to ensure
there is no hindrance to Environmental Protection Agency
regulatory actions to limit human exposure to Group A
carcinogens.
Group A carcinogens are, as explained at length in EPA's
Risk Assessment Guidelines, those which have in fact caused
cancer in humans. Group A classification does not derive from
laboratory studies and inferences, assumptions, or other
uncertainties; these are substances which have resulted in
cancer. When actions are needed to effectively limit exposure
to these substances, EPA should be able to move expeditiously
to do so.
Your amendment would provide an exemption from the
procedural and other requirements of S. 1 that could delay or
prevent Congressional or other actions to limit exposure to
known human carcinogens.
Sincerely,
Carol M. Browner.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. I just say this to the distinguished minority whip,
and that is that chlorine is now under question review. Despite its
omnipresence, we know the material is used effectively all over. But we
do not know the full health effects. It is, I think, appropriate to
review it.
I think back to the days when asbestos was used for installation in
every conceivable type of product: Wallboard, ceilings, pipes, et
cetera. Then one day a terrible discovery was made. That was that
asbestos is, in fact, cancer-causing material. There have been lawsuits
that confirm that. Lots of people whose health was injured and, as a
matter of fact, their lives terminated.
So the fact that something has been used extensively does not mean,
of course, that it is, therefore, acceptable from a science or health-
based review.
I conclude, Mr. President, and would yield the floor at this moment.
If there is no further discussion I would be happy to yield back the
balance of my time, but that depends on what happens with the
opponents' statement.
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. Mr. President, I appreciate the concern that my
friend from New Jersey has expressed. I enjoy serving on the
Environment and Public Works Committee with him. I know of his
sincerity in this issue. I appreciate his concerns about class A
carcinogens and I share that concern. I may vote with my friend from
New Jersey to waive a point of order on this when and if it comes to
the floor. However, I do not support the amendment.
For example, we have the issue of radon on safe drinking water. What
was the cost of that? Some estimate $10 billion. But should we know
that cost up front? Was there a less costly alternative? This is
exactly the purpose of Senate bill 1, to provide this process so that
the issues that have been raised concerning this amendment can be
brought to the floor to allow informed debate, accountability. And I
believe that a complete exemption not only prevents us from knowing
cost but prevents us from agreeing if, in fact, a waiver is deserved.
Again,
[[Page S1535]] there may be a time in the future that I would support
him in seeking a waiver of the point of order, but I cannot support the
idea of an exemption. So we could never get to that part of the
process.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
The clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum
call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. Mr. President, I ask the manager of the bill whether
he is going to ask for the yeas and nays for the purpose of tabling the
motion.
If that is the end of the discussion, I am happy to yield back the
remainder of my time.
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. Mr. President, an inquiry. Is it now in order for me
to move to table the amendment?
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Jersey has yielded back
his time. It would be in order for the Senator to do so.
Mr. LAUTENBERG. Mr. President, I yield back the remainder of my time.
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. I move to table the amendment and I ask for the yeas
and nays.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second?
There is a sufficient second.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
Mr. GLENN. Mr. President, just to make this certain so that everybody
knows and they know it in the offices also, it was understood that the
vote on this would occur in the morning, if a rollcall vote is
requested.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. That is correct, the agreement was that the
vote will be not prior to 10 in the morning. If the Senator would
propound a unanimous-consent in that regard.
Mr. GLENN. Mr. President, I ask to set the pending amendment aside.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. LEVIN. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. LEVIN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for
the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Grams). Without objection, it is so
ordered.
Amendment No. 177, As Modified
(Purpose: To clarify use of the term ``direct cost'')
Mr. LEVIN. Mr. President, I first ask unanimous consent that I be
allowed to modify amendment No. 177.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection? Without objection, it is
so ordered. The amendment is so modified.
Mr. LEVIN. I thank the Chair. I believe the majority has a copy of
that modification.
Mr. President, I believe the modification is at the desk now.
The amendment, with its modification, is as follows:
On page 14, line 19 strike ``expected''.
On page 22, line 12 strike ``estimated''.
On page 22, line 22 strike ``estimated''.
On page 23, line 2 strike ``estimated''.
On page 23, line 5 strike ``estimate'' and ``full''.
On page 24, line 8 strike ``estimated''.
On page 24, line 15 strike ``estimated''.
Mr. LEVIN. Mr. President, I think it is also required that I ask
unanimous consent that the Senate return to consideration of amendment
No. 177.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. LEVIN. Mr. President, this amendment may seem like a technical
amendment, but it has substantive ramifications to it. There are eight
places in the bill where the term ``direct costs'' is used, and that is
a very critical term in the bill. But in five of those eight instances,
there are some adjectives which are used which confuse the bill. For
instance, sometimes it is referred to as ``estimated direct costs,''
even though the word ``estimate'' is already in the definition of
direct costs in the definition section.
Once it is referred to as ``expected direct costs.'' Another time it
is referred to as ``full direct costs,'' which raises an implication
about, well, on those other occasions when you refer to direct costs,
are they something other than full direct costs.
So in order to clear up these ambiguities and potential problems with
those times direct costs is referred to in the bill, this amendment
strikes the adjectives which I have indicated which are in the
amendment and just simply leaves the words ``direct costs.'' That would
then be as defined in the definition section of the bill.
I understand that the floor managers will accept this amendment. It
is, frankly, a good reason why it is important that we take some time
to make sure this bill is as clear as can possibly be achieved, and
while there has been some suggestion by some that there has been an
effort to delay this bill, there is no effort that I know of to delay
this bill. The effort is being made to improve this bill in a number of
very important ways, to clarify the bill where there are ambiguities,
and this is one instance where there are ambiguities which need to be
cleared up.
I believe the managers of the bill concur in this and, if so, this
does not require a rollcall vote, as far as I am concerned. I yield the
floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there further debate?
Mr. KEMPTHORNE addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Idaho.
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. Mr. President, we view this as a technical amendment
which eliminates several redundancies in the language of the bill, as
the Senator from Michigan pointed out. Because the term ``direct
costs'' is defined to mean aggregate estimated amounts, there really is
no need for the word ``estimated'' to be used elsewhere in the bill
with the term ``direct costs.'' Therefore, this amendment strikes such
usage.
This side of the aisle is ready to accept this amendment. Again, we
appreciate the Senator from Michigan for his efforts.
Mr. GLENN addressed the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Ohio.
Mr. GLENN. Mr. President, once again, I think the Senator from
Michigan has shown his dedication to making this a good piece of
legislation by going into some of the details and defining before we
pass this, and correcting some of the things that might give trouble a
little later on or that could be misinterpreted.
I want to congratulate him on that, and I am glad it has been
accepted on the other side. We are happy to accept it on this side,
also.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there further debate? If not, the question
is on agreeing to amendment No. 177, as modified.
The amendment (No. 177), as modified, was agreed to.
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote by which
the amendment was agreed to.
Mr. GLENN. I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Will the Senator withhold for a moment?
Mr. KEMPTHORNE. Mr. President, I withhold.
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