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   REQUEST FOR APPOINTMENT OF CONFEREES ON S. 21, CALIFORNIA DESERT 
                         PROTECTION ACT OF 1994

  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to clause 1, rule XX, 
and by the direction of the Committee on Natural Resources, I move to 
take from the Speaker's table the Senate bill (S. 21) to designate 
certain lands in the California Desert as wilderness, to establish the 
Death Valley and Joshua Tree National Parks and the Mojave National 
Monument, and for other purposes with House amendments thereto, insist 
on the House amendments, and agree to the conference asked by the 
Senate.
  Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the time for 
debate be equally divided between the majority and the minority.


                             point of order

  Mr. POMBO. Mr. Speaker, I have a point or order.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hughes). The gentleman will state his 
point of order.
  Mr. POMBO. Mr. Speaker, I make a point or order that the Committee on 
Merchant Marine and Fisheries to which the bill S. 21 was referred, has 
not authorized the pending motion in violation of clause 1 of rule XX.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman makes a point of order that 
the motion is out of order.
  Does the gentleman from California desire to be heard on the point of 
order?
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, to make the point of order 
that the primary committee of jurisdiction was authorized to ask to go 
to conference.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The chair is prepared to rule.
  Mr. POMBO. Mr. Speaker, may I be heard on that before the Chair 
responds?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman is recognized to be heard 
further on the point of order.
  Mr. POMBO. Mr. Speaker, I serve on both the Committee on Natural 
Resources and the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries, to which 
S. 21 was also referred. Unfortunately, the referral to Merchant Marine 
and Fisheries was very short and that committee did not file a report 
on the bill. The net result is that my Merchant Marine and Fisheries 
colleagues did not have an opportunity to debate this bill in 
committee. Now it appears that the Committee on Merchant Marine and 
Fisheries will not have a role in making the recommendation to the 
House with regard to insisting or receding from the Senate amendments 
to S. 21.
  Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that, under rule XX and the 
precedents of the House, a privileged motion to go to conference must 
be authorized by both committees to which a bill has been jointly 
referred. I have been told that this precedent was decided prior to the 
time when sequential referrals were used in the House. I believe that 
the interests of the House would be best served if this interpretation 
were extended to sequential as well as joint referrals to ensure that 
all committees of jurisdiction on a bill will be treated as equal 
partners in the process.
  I do not believe that the Speaker has yet ruled on this precise issue 
and insist on my point of order to clarify the matter.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the gentleman from California [Mr. 
Miller] desire to be further heard on the point of order?
  Mr. MILLER of California. Yes, Mr. Speaker. The Committee on Natural 
Resources is the primary committee of jurisdiction here. There was a 
referral to the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries. They could 
have exercised whatever actions they decided to. They did not decide to 
do that. By reason of the fact that we remain the primary committee, we 
have been instructed by our committee to go to conference on this 
matter.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hughes). The Chair is prepared to rule.
  The gentleman from California makes the point of order that, to be 
privileged under clause 1 of rule XX, the motion must be authorized not 
only by the Committee on Natural Resources but also by the Committee on 
Merchant Marine and Fisheries.
  Under clause 1 of rule XX, a motion to send a bill to conference is 
always in order if the Speaker, in his discretion, recognizes for that 
purpose and if the motion is made at the direction of all reporting 
committees having original jurisdiction over the bill. The Chair is 
guided by the precedent of September 26, 1978, standing for the 
proposition that the motion must be authorized by each committee of 
joint referral that has reported the measure to the House.
  In the instant case, the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries 
was a committee of sequential referral of the House bill and did not 
report thereon to the House. The instant motion is, therefore, offered 
at the direction of the only committee of original referral of the 
House bill, and the only committee that reported thereon to the House--
the Committee on Natural Resources. Accordingly, the motion is 
privileged under clause 1 of rule XX.
  The point of order is overruled.
  Mr. DOOLITTLE. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to rule XVI, I ask that the 
question of consideration be put.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, I move to table the motion.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The motion to table is not in order at this 
point.
  The question is, Will the House consider the motion offered by the 
gentleman from California [Mr. Miller].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.
  Mr. DOOLITTLE. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a 
quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not 
present.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
  The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 268, 
nays 148, not voting 18, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 463]

                               YEAS--268

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Applegate
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Brooks
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carr
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooper
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Edwards (TX)
     Ehlers
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Fish
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Ford (TN)
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gilman
     Glickman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Hutto
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Klug
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     Lancaster
     Lantos
     LaRocco
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lloyd
     Long
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Morella
     Murphy
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Owens
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Penny
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pickle
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roukema
     Rowland
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schenk
     Schiff
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sharp
     Shays
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (NJ)
     Snowe
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Strickland
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Unsoeld
     Valentine
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Waters
     Watt
     Waxman
     Weldon
     Wheat
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NAYS--148

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bateman
     Bentley
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Fowler
     Gallegly
     Gekas
     Gillmor
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Lazio
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     McMillan
     Mica
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nussle
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Portman
     Pryce (OH)
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Regula
     Ridge
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Santorum
     Sarpalius
     Schaefer
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Traficant
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--18

     Andrews (TX)
     Ballenger
     Burton
     Dellums
     Gallo
     Gingrich
     Johnston
     McCloskey
     Pelosi
     Rostenkowski
     Slattery
     Stokes
     Studds
     Sundquist
     Torres
     Tucker
     Washington
     Whitten

                              {time}  1338

  So the House agreed to consider the motion offered by the gentleman 
from California [Mr. Miller].
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hughes). Without objection, a motion to 
reconsider is laid on the table.
  Mr. WALKER. Mr. Speaker, I object.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Objection is heard.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote 
on the question of consideration.
  Mr. RICHARDSON. Mr. Speaker, I move to lay the motion to reconsider 
on the table.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from New Mexico [Mr. Richardson] to lay on the table the 
motion to reconsider offered by the gentleman from California [Mr. 
Miller].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 271, 
noes 150, not voting 13, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 464]

                               AYES--271

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Applegate
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Brooks
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carr
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooper
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Edwards (TX)
     Ehlers
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Ford (TN)
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gilman
     Glickman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Hutto
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E.B.
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Klug
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     Lancaster
     Lantos
     LaRocco
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lloyd
     Long
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Morella
     Murphy
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Penny
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pickle
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Ridge
     Roemer
     Rose
     Rostenkowski
     Roukema
     Rowland
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schenk
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Shays
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (NJ)
     Snowe
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stokes
     Strickland
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Unsoeld
     Valentine
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Washington
     Waters
     Watt
     Waxman
     Weldon
     Wheat
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NOES--150

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bateman
     Bentley
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Fish
     Fowler
     Gallegly
     Gekas
     Gillmor
     Gingrich
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Lazio
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     McMillan
     Mica
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Portman
     Pryce (OH)
     Quillen
     Quinn
     Regula
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Santorum
     Sarpalius
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--13

     Dellums
     Gallo
     Johnston
     McCloskey
     Sharp
     Slattery
     Slaughter
     Studds
     Sundquist
     Torres
     Tucker
     Whitten
     Wolf

                              {time}  1356

  Ms. LAMBERT changed her vote from ``no'' to ``aye.''
  So the motion to table was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to rule XX, I have 
been directed by the Committee on Natural Resources to insist on the 
House amendment to S. 21, the California Desert Protection Act, and 
agree to a conference. The California Desert Protection Act upgrades 
Death Valley and Joshua Tree National Monument, and in addition the 
legislation designates approximately 3.9 million acres of wilderness.
  Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the time allotted be 
equally divided between the majority and the minority, which, I 
believe, entitles the minority to 30 minutes and the majority to 30 
minutes.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hughes). Is there objection to the 
request of the gentleman from California?
  There was no objection.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from California [Mr. Miller] 
will be recognized for 30 minutes, and the gentleman from Utah [Mr. 
Hansen] will be recognized for 30 minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentleman from California [Mr. Miller].

                              {time}  1400

  Mr. MILLER of California. What is under consideration is not the 
California Desert Act. Mr. Speaker, I want to say to my colleagues who 
have persevered through the last couple of votes, what is before us is 
a question of whether or not the House will go to conference with the 
Senate on this bill that the House has spent a great deal of time on.
  We spent 7 days and some 26 hours in discussion on the California 
desert. We sent the bill to the Senate a little over 2 months ago, and 
since that time it has been hung up on the inability of the Senate to 
go to conference because one Senator or another did not like this 
legislation or sought to use this legislation for leverage on some 
other piece of legislation, or sought to gain political advantage over 
the author of this legislation in the Senate, Senator Feinstein, have 
delayed our ability to go to conference in the Senate.
  Agreement has now been reached on both sides of the aisle in the 
Senate to allow us to go to conference. The motions have been made and 
carried out, and the Senate awaits the House in the conference 
committee.
  The question is whether or not we will be able to go forward in the 
legislative process under the regular order for the consideration of 
this legislation in the conference committee. I would hope when the 
time comes to vote on that motion to go to conference, that the House 
would support the efforts to go to conference. I would say to my 
colleagues I understand there will probably be a motion to instruct, 
which will be debated, and we will have the vote on the motion to 
instruct, and then we could get on with the consideration of a landmark 
piece of legislation that will have tremendous impact and benefit, 
certainly to the area of the California desert, but also to the 
citizens of our State, California, and to the citizens of this Nation, 
by protecting one of the outstanding and unique assets before us.
  Before we can get to there, we must dance the dance of legislation, 
and I would hope that all of my colleagues would understand and give us 
a little bit of what tolerance they have left in this session of the 
Congress, and then we could get on with this legislation.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from 
California [Mr. Cunningham].
  (Mr. CUNNINGHAM asked and was given permission to revise and extend 
his remarks.)
  Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from California [Mr. 
Miller], also on the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries, said 
the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries took no action.
  This is one of the back-door, closed-door politic procedures that no 
Member on the Republican side had any authority or ability to change, 
or was even notified that we would not take any action. That includes 
the gentleman from Texas [Mr. Fields], who is the ranking member.
  This is what the American people are dead set against, closed deals 
behind closed doors to ramrod a piece of legislation through that 
bypasses one of the committees of jurisdiction, which is Merchant 
Marine and Fisheries.
  We have seen in the past what conference reports do. For example, the 
gentlewoman from Washington [Ms. Dunn] and the gentleman from Georgia 
[Mr. Deal], on sexual predator language in the crime bill, had a 417-
to-13 vote to include the sexual predator language in the crime bill. 
The liberals took it out of the crime bill in conference, against the 
bill of the House. That is what they are going to do in this bill.
  The property rights actions that we fought for, where you can get 
fair market value for your property and you can build on it until the 
Government pays you, because they are $3 billion in arrears, all of 
those things will go away in this conference, because the conference is 
loaded, and the Republicans are being shut out. That is why in the 10-
point contract with American, that Cyborg Internet will let every 
American know exactly what is in every one of these bills, not 
smokescreens, not clods, not taking out minority Members, which I feel 
that the other side of the aisle will be next year. Remember that.
  Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 6 minutes to the gentleman from 
California [Mr. Lewis].
  (Mr. LEWIS of California asked and was given permission to revise and 
extend his remarks.)
  Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for 
yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, it is especially important that we take a few moments at 
this time for the House to recall precisely why we were so involved 
with the Desert Protection Act when we had it before us a couple of 
months ago.
  There are five Members of the California delegation who have 
significant portions of their district as a part of the California 
desert. Those five Members have very serious concerns about the 
direction of the House committee as it relates to the Desert Protection 
Act.
  Mr. Speaker, I remind the House that those Members came to the floor 
with no small level of outrage about the way they were treated by the 
committee relative to their concerns about their own districts.
  Mr. Speaker, it was not a matter of their not having an opportunity 
to discuss the question on the floor. It was a matter of having the 
committee arbitrarily roll over those Members and not even consult them 
regarding the direction of the committee as it relates to desert 
protection.
  Indeed, the Members came to the well of the House reflecting that 
concern. Much to my surprise, as those Members expressed their concern, 
the House was willing to listen.
  There is little doubt in my mind that the Members said to themselves, 
if the committee would be this arbitrary with those five Members 
relative to their districts, what would this same committee do to us? 
And they sensed our outrage might very well affect their districts 
sometime if they did not join us.
  As a result of that, there were a dozen very important amendments 
that were passed on the House floor.
  For example, Mr. Speaker, the LaRocco amendment, which is supported 
by the Sportsman Caucus and a myriad of leading conservation groups, 
creates a national preserve in the East Mojave Desert which allows for 
active management of wildlife areas. That debate took a great deal of 
time. We will not be taking that time here today. But I want the 
Members to know that those provisions would not have been in this bill 
if the membership had not reacted as they did.
  That amendment was followed by an amendment presented by my 
colleague, the gentleman from Louisiana [Mr. Tauzin]. The Tauzin 
amendment related to personal property rights, which the House passed 
by a vote of 281 to 148, a very strong expression of bipartisan concern 
regarding property rights.
  There was major support of that measure, Democrats and Republicans 
alike, coming together and saying we are concerned about property 
rights, even if the committee is not concerned about property rights. 
The gentleman's amendment says the private lands acquired as a result 
of this act must be appraised, without regard to the presence of 
threatened or endangered species.
  The gentlewoman from California, Senator Feinstein, the Senate 
sponsor of the desert bill, has already openly stated she opposes the 
Tauzin amendment. I think it is very, very important that the Members 
remember their concern about the way the committee treated those 
Members who represent the desert. Indeed, it is our concern that the 
committee will just roll right over us one more time.
  Mr. Speaker, it appears to me that the gentlewoman from California, 
Senator Feinstein, hopes to eliminate that proposal simply because she 
really does not care about the average property owner. It is clear that 
she has already cut a few deals with the big property owners and the 
big mining companies. But it is very clear the Senator from California 
could care less about the property rights of average people.
  Mr. Speaker and Members, the House also adopted two amendments 
dealing with access, very important amendments that I hope some of my 
other colleagues will address as well.
  One of those amendments allows law enforcement personnel the ability 
to access all of the wilderness areas in this bill, either by motorized 
vehicle or by aircraft. This amendment is important because many of 
these wilderness areas are used as safe havens for drug smugglers and 
illegal aliens.
  The second amendment in this subject area the House passed is similar 
with respect to the management and construction of wildlife guzzlers, 
otherwise known as man-made water sources.

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  Without the ability to access these rural and very, very distant 
areas, many of the animal species in the desert could indeed perish as 
a result of a lack of access. There are a number of items that it is 
very important the House focus on because we spent more than 20 hours 
expressing the House will on this issue. I want to make sure that the 
House remembers that debate, but also that the public remembers that 
debate. For there were very, very important questions of public policy 
that overrode the arbitrary action of this committee as they dealt with 
the Members who represent the desert.
  Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 7 minutes and 30 seconds to the 
gentleman from California [Mr. Hunter].
  (Mr. HUNTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. HUNTER. Mr. Speaker, I want to talk specifically about two 
amendments that we passed in the full House and maybe have a colloquy 
with the chairman of the committee on these amendments, because I know 
we are going to be moving into a motion to instruct conferees to stick 
with the House position. There were two things that I think were of 
particular importance to those of us in California who are concerned 
about fish and wildlife and also about law enforcement.
  We offered an amendment that passed overwhelmingly, in fact, I think 
it was close to unanimous, to allow our law enforcement personnel to 
have access to all the border areas which abut the nation of Mexico.
  Specifically, when we look at the proposed wilderness areas in the 
California desert bill, these areas come right down and hit the 
international border and a couple of them are in major smuggling 
corridors. If we go over the coastal hills from San Diego into the 
California desert that is to the east of San Diego and joins the 
Mexican-California border, we will see that in the last couple of 
years, the narcotics interdiction rate has gone up almost fourfold to 
almost $600 million in narcotics seized last year, cocaine and 
marijuana.
  As the squeeze is being put on in so-called Operation Gatekeeper in 
San Diego, more and more of that traffic is being circumvented and is 
trying to flank the law enforcement operation in San Diego County and 
come through in the El Centro sector, near Calexico and Mexicali.
  We passed an amendment, and I think the gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. 
Vento] spoke highly of this amendment and urged its passage, we passed 
an amendment that said that law enforcement, including the border 
patrol, including our drug enforcement agencies, could have access, 
motorized access to the desert areas that abut that international 
border.
  The idea being that obviously smugglers from Mexico, whether they are 
smuggling illegal aliens or smuggling narcotics, are not going to abide 
by a prohibition in the desert bill that says that nobody can take a 
motorized vehicle through these hills. We are going to have smugglers 
moving through the hills and, because of that, we need to give the 
right and the power to our law enforcement agents to pursue them with 
motorized vehicles. Otherwise we are not going to be able to apprehend 
them and we are going to create basically safe havens for smuggling 
that goes right up against the border.
  I just wanted to ask the chairman of the committee, the gentleman 
from California [Mr. Miller], if it is his intention to support that, 
the law enforcement amendments that we passed in the House with respect 
to that access.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. HUNTER. I yield to the gentleman from California.
  Mr. MILLER of California. That is our intent.
  Mr. HUNTER. I thank the gentleman.
  Let me talk about another area that I think is important to us, that 
will was expressed by the full House after a rather extraordinary 
debate which the gentleman from California [Mr. Cunningham], the 
gentleman from California [Mr. Lewis], the gentleman from California 
[Mr. McCandless], the gentleman from California [Mr. Thomas], and a 
number of Members from the other side of the aisle participated. That 
is with respect to the fish and wildlife in the desert.
  Particulary we have two species of big game animals, that is the 
desert bighorn sheep, which is an endangered species, and the desert 
mule deer, which is enjoying a comeback in population numbers in the 
California desert.
  The reason they are enjoying a comeback is because a lot of private 
citizens, along with the fish and wildlife department of the State of 
California, have developed a science for building watering holes that 
does not require wells, that do not require engines, that do not 
require windmills, but they have a technology that is based on runoff, 
and they have built tanks, watering holes, in the desert in this area 
where we only get about an inch of rainfall a year. They have built, 
and I am speaking of Desert Wildlife Unlimited, in cooperation with the 
State of California fish and wildlife, we have built over 59 watering 
holes in the desert that are frequented and utilized by desert bighorn 
sheep, desert mule deer, quail, coyotes, and dozens of other species of 
animals that inhabit the desert.
  By building these watering holes far away from the canal system, who 
have eliminated the magnet comprised by the All American canal and the 
Coachella canal, these big irrigation canals that are death traps for 
wildlife. If we look at these canals, they have a very steep slope, and 
they are paved with concrete.
  Desert bighorn sheep will come and slide down these giant canals to 
get to the water because they are thirsty and then they literally wear 
their hooves out trying to paw back up the canals to get out. In 
essence the canals are death traps, and we have lost large populations 
of bighorn sheep and deer in those irrigation canals.
  So by building watering holes in the desert, Desert Wildlife 
Unlimited and the Department of Fish and Game have eliminated the 
magnet effect of these deadly irrigation canals where our bighorn sheep 
and our desert mule deer drown.

  So they now stay out in the desert in a scattered condition where 
they are less susceptible to predators. As a result of that, we have 
brought back the bighorn sheep population in fairly good numbers.
  Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. HUNTER. I yield to the gentleman from California.
  Mr. LEWIS of California. I believe the point that the gentleman is 
making is that over a number of decades, many of the major species out 
in that region were literally beginning to disappear because of lack of 
availability of water, a lot of other activities that involve caring 
for animals that are currently being handled on a coordinated basis 
between private efforts as well as the department of fish and game in 
California. They were disappearing, and they now have come back.
  Mr. HUNTER. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman is absolutely right. One thing 
that is important to do in this country, which is right on target with 
the desert bill, is listen to folks who have a particular expertise in 
a particular area. It is important that we listen to experts from our 
own areas because whether someone comes from the east, comes from the 
district of the gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. Vento] comes from the 
district of the gentleman from California [Mr. Miller comes from my 
district in the desert of California, there are certain aspects of 
their district that people in our districts, whether they are fish and 
game managers or law enforcement personnel, there are certain aspects 
that they understand better than people in other parts of the country.
  To my friend, the gentleman from California [Mr. Lewis] who helped us 
on this amendment, we have brought back the fish and wildlife by having 
Desert Wildlife Unlimited and the department of fish and game build 
these watering holes throughout the desert.
  Here is the crux. According to fish and wildlife and Desert Wildlife 
Unlimited, the volunteer group, we have to be able to drive a vehicle 
in to service these watering holes. In the one area where we cut off 
vehicularized access, we lost our watering holes an we had a die off of 
our wildlife species like desert bighorn sheep and deer.
  I just wanted to ask the gentleman if it will be his intention to 
uphold our desert wildlife amendment? I ask our esteemed chairman of 
the committee, the gentleman from California [Mr. Miller] if it is his 
intent to uphold the amendment that the full House passed to allow 
vehicularized access to maintain watering hole or fish and game.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, if the gentleman will continue 
to yield, that would be our intent.
  Mr. HUNTER. I thank the gentleman.

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  Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 6 minutes to the gentleman from 
California [Mr. McCandless].
  Mr. McCANDLESS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Utah for 
yielding time to me.
  Mr. Speaker, my concern here will not be to cover what has already 
been talked about in terms of the amendments which we were successful 
in getting during the debate on the floor of the House. My concern is 
an area in which the public is going to lose, and not to the detriment 
of anything in the way of conservation.
  As I have told the Members on many occasions, sand and grit are in 
both of my shoes from the Colorado Desert, south into Imperial County. 
Those have been my roots. My grandfather homesteaded in a place called 
Borrego Springs back in 1900, so this is not a new thing to me, the 
desert, and the fauna and flora that make up this beautiful part of 
California.
  The concern that I have is that we have many hundreds of responsible 
people in four-wheel drive clubs that use this as a recreational outlet 
for their family, because they do not have the resources to do other 
things. The El Jamel four-wheel drive club of Indio, the Hemet four-
wheel drivers, and I could go on and on; these people are responsible 
people. They have in many cases purchased property in various locations 
of the desert over a period of years, where they then camp after four-
wheeling around for a certain period of time.
  In two instances these clubs will no longer have access to the 
properties that they have owned, in one case for three generations. I 
think that is wrong. That is where I am taking exception to this bill 
and the draft that is going to conference.
  On other occasions, these same people will go out and undo what those 
who are not particularly responsible do when they are in the desert, by 
picking up trash, cleaning up, and bringing the desert back to its 
original state.
  Mr. Speaker, what do we have here when we talk about the word 
recreation? We talk about re-create. I do not intend to demean an 
occupation, but let us say that you are some type of a punch press 
operator, or you are involved in some type of manufacturing that is not 
necessarily something that challenges you each day. You work your work 
week, you do your job well, and you look forward to the weekend and 
recreating so you can go back and do what you have chosen to do in life 
the next week, the next week and the next week.
  We have over 10 million people on the coastal plain of Los Angeles 
who utilize all aspects of the inland desert for recreational 
activities, and 99 out of 100 are responsible people, and people who 
have done this for years and years. Now we are going to shut these 
people out of many of these areas, for no other reason than we have 
declared them wilderness; but there are roads that go through it, there 
are huts, there are camps, there are small constructed dwellings, but 
it has still been designated a wilderness area.
  When I spoke the last time I pointed out a wilderness area on the map 
where I and the Bureau of Land Management regional manager flew over in 
a helicopter. He said ``Al, here is a wilderness area.'' I said, ``How 
can it be a wilderness area, when a road leads into it, there are two 
cars, a camp, and a cabin?'' He said that is what has been designated a 
wilderness area. Those people will no longer be able to, under this 
bill, the way it is drafted, get into those kinds of areas.
  I am not here as a guy who is saying, ``I did not get what I wanted, 
therefore I am going to use all the means possible to prevent it from 
happening.'' I am saying this bill is unfair to a lot of the people who 
have utilized the desert over the years, and have done so responsibly. 
As I have explained, they recreate in the desert. This is my main 
concern.
  Mr. LEWIS of California. Will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. McCANDLESS. I am happy to yield to the gentleman from California.
  Mr. LEWIS of California. I thank my colleague for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, I think my colleagues know our friend, the gentleman 
from California [Mr. McCandless] is retiring this year. Indeed, there 
is not a Member in this House or either body who begins to have the 
understanding that the gentleman from California, Al McCandless, has 
for the wondrous area that involves our desert.
  My concern is, and I would like to have the gentleman's comments 
about this, is that S. 21, which would be considered in this 
conference, creates a park in the east Mojave of some 1.5 million 
acres. There are desert lands in that region that you can put four 
Eastern States in pretty easily. It is a huge territory. Without 
appropriate management in a park setting, average citizens, senior 
citizens, and otherwise, who want to go to see the center of that park 
will have no way of getting there, is that correct, outside of 
horseback, perhaps?
  Mr. McCANDLESS. Mr. Speaker, let me conclude by saying there are two 
famous trails across an area going from east to west: the Bradshaw 
Trail through most of Riverside County, from the Colorado River into 
the Coachella Valley, and up through the Coachella Valley, spanning 
Beaumont and on into the Inland Empire and on out to the coast.
  The Bradshaw Trail has been used since the 1840's for people to come 
to California, not in limousines but in horses and buggies and wagons 
and however else they can get there. Now a portion of that Bradshaw 
Trail is now wilderness. Can the Members imagine, an area of the desert 
that has been used since before the Civil War is now wilderness?
  These are the kinds of things I am concerned about. These are the 
things that got the burr under my saddle. Mr. Speaker, that is why I 
have the concerns that I do. I would hope, I would hope that when we go 
to conference that we will maximize what it is that we have been able 
to get in the way of alterations in this bill in the form of amendments 
on the floor of the House. I thank the gentleman for yielding to me.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the 
gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. Vento], the subcommittee chairman.
  (Mr. VENTO asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. VENTO. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the motion of the 
chairman of the committee, with the intention to go to conference, and 
sincerely hope that we can bring to conclusion this major conservation 
initiative, the California desert bill. This would be a real 
achievement for the Congress.
  Frankly, this is a matter that has been before us for 6 years. This 
bill has been the subject of activities and hearings before both Senate 
and House committees over that period of time. For some, they find it 
inadequate, that 6 years, an inadequate time for them to express their 
views or to have the type of deliberation that they think is required.
  Frankly, Mr. Speaker, I think what has occurred this year has been 
efforts to deter, to delay the consideration of this, first in the 
House, and most recently in the Senate. I want to commend the major 
advocates of this particular proposal, the chairman of the committee, 
the gentleman from California [Mr. Miller], the gentleman from 
California [Mr. Lehman], and others, the Senators that have been 
involved in this achievement. It is a major undertaking, a major 
conservation measure.
  Unfortunately, when we begin to deal with the land classification 
systems, 25 million acres in this particular instance, it invariably 
does come up in controversy, because I think there are some differences 
in perception. There are some differences in the policy paths which are 
sought in terms of the use of these lands, these very special lands in 
California.

  This area, this 25 million acres, is used for innumerable types of 
functions; for instance, for military training activities. It has, of 
course, long been the subject and recognized to have conservation and 
environmental qualities which are unique to the world, not just to our 
Nation. That is why the two monuments which were established here, both 
Death Valley and Joshua Tree, are presently designated in this area.
  Mr. Speaker, the legislation before us, I need not remind my 
colleagues, expands those, and also designates a new Mojave Desert 
national preserve or park in this legislation, a considerable move 
forward, to add to the inventory of parks one of the major desert types 
which is not now represented, the Mojave Desert type, in the National 
Park System, and expanding and designating wilderness in these parks.
  Beyond that, of course, there is a considerable designation and 
recognition of the natural qualities, the cultural resources in this 
California desert area, Mr. Speaker. In California there are almost 8 
million acres which are in fact recognized as wilderness in this 
measure before the House.
  I might say that there are conflicts, obviously. It does mean 
disciplining ourselves in terms of where we can take our four-wheelers. 
Roads will remain open. There are some 8,000 miles of road that remain 
open, I might say, in these rural and ranching areas of southern, 
California, a considerable amount of road.
  The fact is, though, it means disciplining ourselves so some of the 
legacy of this Nation, some of the legacy of California in terms of its 
natural lands, of its cultural, and tremendous resources, some of that 
legacy, the inheritance of future generations, will remain intact and 
preserved.
  It is a fact that we cannot continue to assume on a de facto basis, 
with a population of 32 million in California and 25 million Americans 
who are very close to this California desert area, that if everyone 
continues to perform or continues to act out in the way they have in 
the use of this land, it would be completely despoiled. It would not 
have some of the natural qualities maintained that we revere today when 
we look at southern California.

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  This motion is to go to conference. With the understanding that there 
is going to be consideration and retention of many of the provisions 
that were added in the House, additional compromises with the Senate 
obviously are going to be necessary.
  In the end I hope, Mr. Speaker, that we can carry this to conclusion 
after 6 years and achieve what I believe something that the American 
people are very interested in protecting. Not just the people of 
California but the American people. And that is the designation and 
protection of this important and sensitive California desert area 
legislation. Forget about the politics. Let us go on with some good 
policy, the good policy that is in honest in this measure.
  I have served, Mr. Speaker, in this body for some years. This session 
has been very contentious with regard to public policy with regards to 
lands and parks. We have not done as much as many of us had hoped. In 
fact, it has been very difficult. I hope that we can end on a positive 
note, conclude this and pass this important California desert bill 
which has been, as I said, waiting for some time.
  It is landmark legislation. It is in the interest of future 
generations a legacy from today for tommorow.
  Mr. McCANDLESS. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. VENTO. I yield to the gentleman from California.
  Mr. McCANDLESS. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, one of the successes of any program, irrespective of the 
author or the content, is the ability to enforce what it is that 
Congress has deemed its will.
  The SPEAKER, pro tempore (Mr. Hughes). The time of the gentleman from 
Minnesota [Mr. Vento] has expired.
  Mr. VENTO. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman's observation. I 
think we have the capability and the resources to manage this land now 
and in the future under these new policy guidelines.
  Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from 
California [Mr. Pombo].
  (Mr. POMBO asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. POMBO. Mr. Speaker, I would like to agree with the previous 
speaker on one point and that is that we ought to put aside the 
politics and talk about the policy. I think that this is terrible 
policy for the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Government to pass.
  Mr. Speaker, we are proceeding to set aside 8 million acres of 
California land and take it away from the people and take away the 
access from the people. Even the 4 million acres that currently owned 
by the Federal Government that is included in the Desert Protection Act 
and is currently being used by people for recreation is going to be 
taken away and it is severely limited as to how people can use this 
particular area.
  On the other side, we have 4 million acres of private property which 
is now going to become Federal property, or public property. I think 
that is a terrible mistake and a terrible policy decision to make. The 
Federal Government currently owns one-third of this country. They 
currently own 48 percent of California. If we add in what the State and 
local governments own, 56 percent of California is owned by the 
government. This continuing path of more and more public ownership of 
land and the destruction of private property in this country will lead 
to the downfall of this country. I believe that very strongly. If is a 
terrible policy decision to make. That is why I oppose this bill and 
oppose the further extension of this effort with this particular bill.
  I think it is a big mistake to continue to take away the private 
property rights and the very existence of private property in this 
country. This bill is just a continuation of that.
  Mr. Speaker, when we look at the access to the desert, one of the 
things that this bill is trying to be sold to the American public and 
in particular the California public on is that somehow it will increase 
recreation. I challenge anyone, and especially the people of 
California, to look at the bill and try to somehow pull from the 
language in this bill that there is going to be increased recreation by 
limiting access to the desert and all the rock hounds, campers and off-
road vehicle enthusiasts throughout California in limiting their 
ability for recreation in the desert is somehow going to increase 
recreation. All this is going to do is take it away from the people of 
California.
  Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
California [Mr. McKeon].
  Mr. McKEON. Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend, the gentleman from Utah, 
for yielding me the time.
  Mr. Speaker, I am new to this body, I am a freshman. The other night 
I was watching a television show and the panelists were discussing how 
the people of this country become cynical. I think this bill is an 
example of how we achieve that. I think that we have had a lot of 
debate about the desert bill. I have no arguments with that at this 
time. There has been a lot of debate. We have had a chance to say our 
say, and then there was a vote. But now we are being asked to go to 
conference on this bill, and I want to point out to my colleagues 
something that has happened on the other side in the other House. They 
have added a new section to the bill that was added by one of the 
Senators, one of the Members of the other body, that has nothing to do 
with protecting the California desert. Title IX contains initiatives 
concerning the lower Mississippi delta region which have not been 
considered through the normal legislative process. Even though I was 
elected to Congress only 2 years ago, I know that provisions often get 
added to bills which are not germane to the legislation in question. In 
this case, however, I am referring to 9 separate sections in the bill 
which do little more than create pork projects in one region of the 
country. For example, section 904 of the Senate bill creates a new 
office on elementary, secondary, and postsecondary education within the 
Department of Interior. As a member of the Committee on Education and 
Labor, I object to this provision since it duplicates an office which 
already exists in the Department of Education.

  Section 904 also creates a minority college and university 
scholarship initiative which also presently exists in the Department of 
Education. Finally this section of the bill requires the Secretary of 
Interior to establish 3 centers for aquaculture in specific cities in 
Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi.
  Mr. Speaker, you do not have to be a scientist to figure out that 
establishing aquaculture programs in the south central United States 
has little relation to the California desert.
  The bill also directs the Federal Government to study the 
establishment of cultural centers, heritage centers, structural 
surveys, and a music heritage program in the Mississippi Delta region.
  Mr. Speaker, residents of the desert do not want the desert bill and 
residents of the United States should not have to accept an 11th-hour 
pork provision that would in all likelihood not withstand the scrutiny 
of being considered in a separate bill.
  This is how we make the people of our Nation cynical. We have been 
told that in the last days of the last session things such as this 
would be added. That is why this bill is being rushed through at this 
time with a pork project for the Mississippi Delta region that 
camouflages as a California desert bill.
  Mr. HANSEN. Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of our time to the 
gentleman from California [Mr. Lewis].
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from California is recognized 
for 3\1/2\ minutes.
  (Mr. LEWIS of California asked and was given permission to revise and 
extend his remarks.)
  Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Speaker, there are a couple of points 
that have been made by previous speakers that I think are very, very 
important for us to focus upon.
  We are very close to final consideration of this measure at a time in 
our country when, to say the least, we find ourselves pressed against 
the wall in terms of scarce dollars throughout our existing park 
systems. There is a clear understanding on the part of most families 
who tried to vacation in the existing parks during this past summer. 
Many of those park facilities are in disrepair. They are understaffed. 
We have serious difficulty providing the services that need to take 
place there. We find a circumstance where our park employees in some 
instances are living essentially in trailers. In one instance, trailers 
exist in the Death Valley National Monument where the temperature gets 
up to 120 degrees for weeks at a time.
  We cannot build adequate housing for those people. Yet in this 
measure, S. 21, that is proposed to go to conference, there would be 
the creation of not one, not two, but under the Senate measure, three 
national parks, one of them including 1.5 million acres, the vast 
percentage of which has absolutely no parklike qualities. Nobody can 
tell us where the money is going to come from for that new park unit. 
They just say, ``Well, somewhere out of the wind it will arrive. It may 
have to come out of the other parks in the country.''

                              {time}  1440

  It is very important that the public know that this is a matter of 
excess. There is little doubt that there are people who want to have 
public ownership of land for the sake of ownership of land. In this 
instance we are way beyond what is reasonable in terms of the taxpayer 
dollars.
  Mr. PACKARD. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. LEWIS of California. I am happy to yield to the gentleman from 
California.
  Mr. PACKARD. Mr. Speaker, it is interesting, along the point the 
gentleman just made, where they will take the money out of other park 
budgets. I am on the appropriations subcommittee of Interior that deals 
with funding of parks, and in our subcommittee it was Bruce Babbitt 
himself, the Secretary of the Interior who said if we have to close 
down the Washington Monument for a day a week to pay for it, it would 
be worth it. That is what they are thinking in terms of actually 
extracting those budget amounts out of other parks which are already 
strapped for budget money in order to pay for the operation of an 
additional park. It is ludicrous that we would add to the system rather 
dubious parklands and then take the money out of existing park budgets 
to fund them.
  Mr. LEWIS of California. I appreciate very much my colleague's 
comment.
  During our recent recess I had the opportunity to spend a good deal 
of time in one of our beautiful national parks, Yosemite, on a 
horseback trip up into the high country. During that 4-hour ride we 
went further into the park than probably 99 percent of the people ever 
get to.
  One of the most fundamental concerns expressed time and time again 
during that ride by Park Service people is that the parks are in horrid 
condition. Because of drought and otherwise in the West, Yosemite, for 
example, is essentially awaiting a tinder fire, and the number of 
personnel that we need to protect the parks from those kinds of 
conditions is just not available.
  There is little doubt that there is a need for evaluating the way we 
are protecting the desert. I have been on the cutting edge of 
legislation to protect our desert for most of my life in public 
affairs. I represent most of that desert, and I would suggest that 
those who live in it and understand it know better the public policy 
direction we ought to be taking.
  Mr. Speaker, we appreciate the patience of the Members with this very 
important measure.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hughes). All time of the gentleman from 
Utah [Mr. Hansen] has expired.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my 
time and I move the previous question.


           motion to table offered by mr. lewis of california

  Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Speaker, I move to table the previous 
question.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the gentleman from California move to 
lay on the table the original motion to go to conference.
  Mr. LEWIS of California. The previous question, Mr. Speaker.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair will advise the gentleman from 
California he cannot lay on the table the motion for the previous 
question.
  Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Speaker, I move that the pending motion 
be laid on the table.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from California [Mr. Lewis] to table the motion offered by 
the gentleman from California [Mr. Miller] to go to conference.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the 
ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a 
quorum is not present.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evidently a quorum is not present.
  The Sergeant at Arms will notify absent Members.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 144, 
nays 259, not voting 31, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 465]

                               YEAS--144

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bateman
     Bentley
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fields (TX)
     Fowler
     Gallegly
     Gekas
     Gillmor
     Gingrich
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     Mica
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nussle
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Portman
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Ridge
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Santorum
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                               NAYS--259

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Applegate
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Brooks
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carr
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooper
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Ehlers
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fawell
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Fish
     Foglietta
     Ford (TN)
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gilman
     Glickman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Hutto
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     Lancaster
     LaRocco
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Long
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Morella
     Murphy
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Penny
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pickle
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Quillen
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Regula
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Roemer
     Rose
     Rostenkowski
     Roukema
     Rowland
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Sarpalius
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schenk
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Serrano
     Sharp
     Shays
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (NJ)
     Snowe
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Strickland
     Studds
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Unsoeld
     Valentine
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Washington
     Waters
     Watt
     Waxman
     Weldon
     Wheat
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                             NOT VOTING--31

     Blackwell
     Brown (FL)
     Clay
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Edwards (TX)
     Flake
     Ford (MI)
     Gallo
     Hall (OH)
     Hastings
     Hilliard
     Jefferson
     Johnson, E. B.
     Lantos
     Lloyd
     McMillan
     Meek
     Mfume
     Mollohan
     Owens
     Payne (NJ)
     Rangel
     Rush
     Scott
     Slattery
     Solomon
     Stokes
     Sundquist
     Tucker
     Whitten

                              {time}  1505

  Mr. ANDREWS of Maine, Mrs. ROUKEMA, Mr. STUPAK, Ms. LONG, and Mr. 
SWIFT changed their vote from ``yea'' to ``nay.''
  Mr. LEWIS of Florida changed his vote from ``nay'' to ``yea.''
  So the motion to table the motion to reconsider was rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.


                         parliamentary inquiry

  Mr. DOOLITTLE. Mr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary inquiry.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his parliamentary 
inquiry.
  Mr. DOOLITTLE. Mr. Speaker, was the motion to reconsider laid on the 
table?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. No.
  Mr. DOOLITTLE. I ask unanimous consent to lay it on the table, in 
that event.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without objection, a motion to reconsider 
the motion to lay on the table the motion to go to conference is laid 
on the table.
  The question is on ordering the previous question on the motion to go 
to conference.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. McKEON. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 265, 
noes 144, not voting 25, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 466]

                               AYES--265

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Applegate
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Baker (CA)
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carr
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooper
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Dunn
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fawell
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Fish
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Ford (TN)
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gilman
     Glickman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Hutto
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Klug
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     Lancaster
     LaRocco
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Long
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Morella
     Murphy
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Penny
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pickle
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Quillen
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Roemer
     Rose
     Roukema
     Rowland
     Roybal-Allard
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Sarpalius
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schenk
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Shays
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (NJ)
     Snowe
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Strickland
     Studds
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Unsoeld
     Valentine
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Waters
     Watt
     Waxman
     Weldon
     Wheat
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NOES--144

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bateman
     Bentley
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Ehlers
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fields (TX)
     Fowler
     Gallegly
     Gekas
     Gillmor
     Gingrich
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Lazio
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     Mica
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Portman
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Regula
     Ridge
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Santorum
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--25

     Brooks
     Brown (FL)
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Edwards (TX)
     Gallo
     Johnson, E. B.
     Lantos
     Lloyd
     McMillan
     Meek
     Mfume
     Owens
     Payne (NJ)
     Rangel
     Rostenkowski
     Rush
     Sharp
     Slattery
     Stokes
     Sundquist
     Tucker
     Washington
     Whitten
     Williams

                              {time}  1526

  Mr. ZELIFF and Mr. HALL of Texas changed their vote from ``aye'' to 
``no.''
  So the previous question was ordered.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.


                          personal explanation

  Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas. Mr. Speaker, during rollcall vote 
Nos. 465 and 466 on S. 21, I was unavoidably detained. Had I been 
present I would have voted ``no'' on rollcall No. 465 and ``yes'' on 
rollcall No. 466.
  Mr. BAKER of California. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote 
by which the House agreed to ordering the previous question.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, I move to table the motion 
offered by the gentleman from California [Mr. Baker].
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hughes). The question is on the motion 
offered by the gentleman from California [Mr. Miller] to table the 
motion offered by the gentleman from California [Mr. Baker] to 
reconsider the vote on ordering the previous question.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. BAKER of California. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 273, 
noes 143, not voting 18, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 467]

                               AYES--273

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Applegate
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Brooks
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carr
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clinger
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooper
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Edwards (TX)
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fawell
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Fish
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Ford (TN)
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gilman
     Glickman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Hutto
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Klug
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     LaRocco
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lloyd
     Long
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Morella
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Penny
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pickle
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Quillen
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Regula
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Ridge
     Roemer
     Rostenkowski
     Roukema
     Rowland
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Santorum
     Sarpalius
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schenk
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sharp
     Shays
     Shepherd
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (NJ)
     Snowe
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Strickland
     Studds
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Unsoeld
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Washington
     Waters
     Watt
     Weldon
     Wheat
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NOES--143

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bentley
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fields (TX)
     Fowler
     Gallegly
     Gekas
     Gillmor
     Gingrich
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Lazio
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     McMillan
     Mica
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Portman
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Rose
     Roth
     Royce
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--18

     Bateman
     Gallo
     Green
     Johnston
     Lancaster
     Lantos
     Mfume
     Murphy
     Owens
     Sisisky
     Slattery
     Stokes
     Sundquist
     Tucker
     Valentine
     Waxman
     Whitten
     Williams

                              {time}  1544

  So the motion to table was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.


                            motion to commit

  Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to rule XVII, clause 1, I move 
to commit the motion to go to conference to the Committee on Merchant 
Marine and Fisheries.
  The SPEAKEr pro tempore (Mr. Hughes). The question is on the motion 
offered by the gentleman from California [Mr. Cunningham] to commit the 
motion to go to conference to the Committee on Merchant Marine and 
Fisheries.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 141, 
noes 277, not voting 16, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 468]

                               AYES--141

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bentley
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fields (TX)
     Fowler
     Gallegly
     Gekas
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     Mica
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nussle
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Pelosi
     Penny
     Petri
     Pombo
     Portman
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Santorum
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                               NOES--277

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Brooks
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carr
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooper
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Edwards (TX)
     Ehlers
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fawell
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Fish
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Ford (TN)
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Glickman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Hutto
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Klug
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     Lancaster
     LaRocco
     Laughlin
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lloyd
     Long
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKeon
     McKinney
     McMillan
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Morella
     Murphy
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Owens
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pickle
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Quillen
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Regula
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Ridge
     Roemer
     Rose
     Rostenkowski
     Roukema
     Rowland
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sangmeister
     Sarpalius
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schenk
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sharp
     Shays
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (NJ)
     Snowe
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Studds
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Unsoeld
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Washington
     Waters
     Watt
     Weldon
     Wheat
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                             NOT VOTING--16

     Applegate
     Bateman
     Fazio
     Gallo
     Gingrich
     Lantos
     Matsui
     Sanders
     Slattery
     Strickland
     Sundquist
     Tucker
     Valentine
     Waxman
     Whitten
     Williams

                              {time}  1603

  Mr. MFUME changed his vote from ``aye'' to ``nay.''
  So the motion to commit the motion to go to conference was rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.


                          personal explanation

  Ms. PELOSI. Mr. Speaker, on rollcall vote No. 468, I am recorded as 
an ``aye.'' It was my intention to vote ``no.''


           motion to reconsider the vote on motion to commit

  Mr. McKEON. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote by which the 
House did not agree to the motion to commit.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from California [Mr. McKeon] who voted on the prevailing side 
to reconsider the vote by which the House did not agree to the motion 
to commit.


          motion to table offered by mr. miller of california

  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, I move to lay on the table the 
motion to reconsider the vote offered by the gentleman from California 
[Mr. McKeon].
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from California [Mr. Miller] to lay on the table the motion 
to reconsider the vote offered by the gentleman from California [Mr. 
McKeon].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. McKEON. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 280, 
noes 141, not voting 13, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 469]

                               AYES--280

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Brooks
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carr
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooper
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Edwards (TX)
     Ehlers
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fawell
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Ford (TN)
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Glickman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hall (TX)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Hutto
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E.B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Klug
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     LaRocco
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lloyd
     Long
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Morella
     Murphy
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Owens
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Penny
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pickle
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Quillen
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Rangel
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Regula
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Roemer
     Rose
     Rostenkowski
     Roukema
     Rowland
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Santorum
     Sarpalius
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schenk
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sharp
     Shays
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (NJ)
     Snowe
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Strickland
     Studds
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Unsoeld
     Valentine
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Washington
     Waters
     Watt
     Waxman
     Weldon
     Wheat
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NOES--141

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bentley
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fields (TX)
     Fowler
     Gallegly
     Gekas
     Gingrich
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Gunderson
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Lazio
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     McMillan
     Mica
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Portman
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Ridge
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--13

     Applegate
     Bateman
     Clay
     Fazio
     Fish
     Gallo
     Lancaster
     Lantos
     Slattery
     Sundquist
     Tucker
     Whitten
     Williams

                              {time}  1622

  So the motion to lay on the table the motion to reconsider the vote 
on the motion to commit the motion to agree to a conference was agreed 
to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Hughes). The question is on the motion 
offered by the gentleman from California [Mr. Miller] to insist on the 
House amendments and agree to a conference on S. 21.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 283, 
noes 140, not voting 11, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 470]

                               AYES--283

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Applegate
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonior
     Borski
     Brewster
     Brooks
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooper
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Doolittle
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Edwards (TX)
     Ehlers
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fawell
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Fish
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Ford (TN)
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Glickman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hobson
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Hutto
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Klug
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     Lancaster
     LaRocco
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lloyd
     Long
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Morella
     Murphy
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Owens
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Penny
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pickle
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Quillen
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Regula
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Roemer
     Rose
     Rostenkowski
     Roukema
     Rowland
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Sarpalius
     Sawyer
     Saxton
     Schenk
     Schiff
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sharp
     Shays
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (NJ)
     Snowe
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Strickland
     Studds
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Unsoeld
     Valentine
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Washington
     Waters
     Watt
     Waxman
     Weldon
     Wheat
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NOES--140

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bentley
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fields (TX)
     Fowler
     Gallegly
     Gekas
     Gingrich
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Lazio
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     McMillan
     Mica
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nussle
     Orton
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Ridge
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Santorum
     Schaefer
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--11

     Bateman
     Boucher
     Carr
     Fazio
     Gallo
     Lantos
     Rangel
     Slattery
     Sundquist
     Tucker
     Whitten

                              {time}  1642

  Mr. WHEAT changed his vote from ``no'' to ``aye.''
  So the motion to go conference on S. 21 was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  Mr. DOOLITTLE. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote by which 
the House has agreed to the motion to agree to go to conference on S. 
21.
  Mr. MILLER of California. Mr. Speaker, I move to lay on the table the 
motion to reconsider offered by the gentleman from California [Mr. 
Doolittle]
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. (Mr. Brown of California.) The question is 
on the motion to lay on the table the motion to reconsider.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. DOOLITTLE. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were ayes 282, 
noes 140, not voting 12, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 471]

                               AYES--282

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Applegate
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Bateman
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonior
     Borski
     Brewster
     Brooks
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carr
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clement
     Clinger
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Cooper
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Edwards (TX)
     Ehlers
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fawell
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Fish
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Ford (TN)
     Frank (MA)
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Glickman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Greenwood
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Horn
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Hutto
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Klug
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     Lancaster
     LaRocco
     Laughlin
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Lloyd
     Long
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Meyers
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Morella
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Penny
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pickle
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Quillen
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Regula
     Reynolds
     Richardson
     Roemer
     Rose
     Rostenkowski
     Roukema
     Rowland
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Santorum
     Sarpalius
     Sawyer
     Schenk
     Schiff
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Shays
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (NJ)
     Snowe
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Strickland
     Studds
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torkildsen
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Towns
     Traficant
     Unsoeld
     Valentine
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Washington
     Waters
     Watt
     Waxman
     Weldon
     Wheat
     Whitten
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates
     Zimmer

                               NOES--140

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bentley
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Boehner
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fields (TX)
     Fowler
     Gallegly
     Gekas
     Gingrich
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Lazio
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lucas
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McDade
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     McMillan
     Mica
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Myers
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Ridge
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Royce
     Saxton
     Schaefer
     Sensenbrenner
     Shaw
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff

                             NOT VOTING--12

     Barrett (WI)
     Bilbray
     Boucher
     Gallo
     Lantos
     Murphy
     Owens
     Rangel
     Sharp
     Slattery
     Sundquist
     Tucker

                              {time}  1700

  Mr. JACOBS changed his vote from ``no'' to ``aye.`'
  So the motion to lay on the table the motion to reconsider was 
rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.

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