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       PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 4801, SMALL BUSINESS 
               REAUTHORIZATION AND AMENDMENT ACT OF 1994

  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I 
call up House Resolution 494 and ask for its immediate consideration.
  The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:

                              H. Res. 494

       Resolved, That at any time after the adoption of this 
     resolution the Speaker may, pursuant to clause 1(b) of rule 
     XXIII, declare the House resolved into the Committee of the 
     Whole House on the state of the Union for consideration of 
     the bill (H.R. 4801) to amend the Small Business Act, and for 
     other purposes. The first reading of the bill shall be 
     dispensed with. All points of order against consideration of 
     the bill are waived. General debate shall be confined to the 
     bill and the amendments made in order by this resolution 
     and shall not exceed one hour equally divided and 
     controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of 
     the Committee on Small Business. After general debate the 
     bill shall be considered for amendment under the five-
     minute rule. In lieu of the amendments recommended by the 
     Committee on Small Business now printed in the bill, it 
     shall be in order to consider as an original bill for the 
     purpose of amendment under the five-minute rule an 
     amendment in the nature of a substitute consisting of the 
     text of the bill modified by the amendments recommended by 
     the Committee on Small Business now printed in the bill 
     and by the additional amendments printed in part 1 of the 
     report of the Committee on Rules accompanying this 
     resolution. That amendment in the nature of a substitute 
     shall be considered as read. No other amendment shall be 
     in order except those printed in part 2 of the report of 
     the Committee on Rules. Each amendment may be offered only 
     in the order printed in the report, may be offered only by 
     a Member designated in the report, shall be considered as 
     read, shall be debatable for the time specified in the 
     report equally divided and controlled by the proponent and 
     an opponent, shall not be subject to amendment except as 
     specified in the report, and shall not be subject to a 
     demand for division of the question in the House or in the 
     Committee of the Whole. All points of order against the 
     amendments printed in the report are waived. At the 
     conclusion of consideration of the bill for amendment the 
     Committee shall rise and report the bill to the House with 
     such amendments as may have been adopted. Any Member may 
     demand a separate vote in the House on any amendment 
     adopted in the Committee of the Whole to the bill or to 
     the amendment in the nature of a substitute made in order 
     as original text. The previous question shall be 
     considered as ordered on the bill and amendments thereto 
     to final passage without intervening motion except one 
     motion to recommit with or without instructions.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. 
Moakley] is recognized for 1 hour.
  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, for the purposes of debate only, I yield 30 
minutes to my dear friend, the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon], 
pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  During consideration of this resolution, Mr. Speaker, all time 
yielded is for the purposes of debate only.
  (Mr. MOAKLEY asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 494 is a rule that 
provides for the consideration of H.R. 4801, the Small Business 
Reauthorization and Amendment Act. The resolution provides for 1 hour 
of general debate equally divided and controlled by the chairman and 
ranking minority member of the Small Business Committee. The rule 
waives all points of order against consideration of the bill and makes 
in order an amendment in the nature of a substitute as an original bill 
for the purpose of amendment. The substitute consists of the bill as 
modified by the Small Business Committee amendments now printed in the 
bill and other amendments printed in part 1 of the report to accompany 
the rule. The substitute shall be considered as read.
  The rule makes in order no other amendments except those printed in 
part 2 of the report to accompany the rule, to be considered in the 
order and manner specified in the report, with debate time also 
specified in the report. The amendments are not subject to amendment, 
are considered as read, and are not subject to a demand for a division 
of the question. All points of order are waived against the amendments 
in the report. Finally, the rule provides one motion to recommit with 
or without instructions.
  Mr. Speaker, H.R. 4801 provides authorizations for fiscal years 1995 
to 1997 for programs administered by the Small Business Administration, 
the primary Federal agency with the mission to administer programs that 
provide assistance to small businesses. A major function of SBA is to 
make capital available for those small businesses which cannot normally 
secure financing in the private sector. The bill authorizes $175 
million in direct loans, $12.32 billion in loan and debenture 
guarantees and $1.8 billion surety bond guarantees for fiscal year 
1995.
  The bill makes improvements in the Microloan Program which provides 
loans averaging $10,000 per borrower. The bill would delete limitations 
on the number of intermediaries or lenders per State under the program, 
delete the dollar limitation on these intermediaries and direct 
equitable allocation of program funds between urban and rural areas.
  The bill improves loans for export purposes by allowing lines of 
credit without the current 3-year repayment requirement. The bill also 
provides up to a 90-percent guarantee on large export loans by allowing 
guarantees of standby letters of credit and by allowing larger portions 
of SBA loans to be used for working capital purposes.
  The bill establishes an Accredited Lenders Program for Certified 
Development Companies. These lenders would receive priority in the 
processing of their loan applications. The bill establishes the Premier 
Lenders Program for Certified Development Companies under which 
participants would be able to approve SBA guaranteed loans of behalf of 
the SBA directly.
  The bill provides assistance in the development of women-owned 
businesses by establishing an Office of Women's Business Ownership at 
SBA and by establishing an Interagency Committee on Women's Business 
Enterprise.
  The bill also establishes a 3-year pilot program to provide 
procurement opportunities for businesses with 10 employees or less and 
requires SBA to prepare a report to Congress on the impact of all 
Federal regulatory and tax requirements upon small businesses. Finally, 
the bill authorizes SBA to provide training on new manufacturing 
practices to small businesses to assist them in carrying out Federal 
contracts for the production of manufacturing components.
  Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 484 is a fair rule that will expedite 
consideration of this important legislation. I urge my colleagues to 
support the rule and the bill.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.

                              {time}  1250

  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  (Mr. SOLOMON asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
remarks.)
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker and my colleagues, I rise in strong opposition to this 
restrictive rule. The rule makes in order several amendments which may 
improve the bill. However, the bill does not address the palpable fear 
in most of the small business community that the Clinton administration 
and its allies in the Congress are about to ram an outrageous employer 
mandate down our throats.
  The rule before us denies Mr. Rohrabacher of California the 
opportunity to offer his amendment providing that no amounts in this 
bill may be used to provide financial or other assistance to illegal 
aliens.
  Mr. Speaker, the Small Business Administration was established to 
look after the interests of small business in Washington. It was not 
created to be a regulatory agency but rather an ombudsman for the 
backbone of American business, and that is small business in America.
  Similarly, in the legislative branch the Small Business Committee 
role is one of an advocate, not a regulator. Why then, Mr. Speaker, is 
the SBA, the Small Business Administration, promoting positions 
detrimental to the small businesses which they are charged to 
represent?
  As we speak, Democrat leaders and a handful of committee chairmen are 
meeting behind closed doors to draft a health care reform bill that 
they hope to bring to the floor before the August district work period, 
before any American has a chance to look at it outside of the beltway 
here.
  The plan advocated by the President and under consideration by the 
Democrats would reportedly require employers to pay up to 80 percent of 
the cost of health insurance for their employees, and everybody knows 
this is an outright job killer. Two million jobs, probably.
  As its contribution to this debate, the Small Business Administration 
has produced documents favoring the Clinton-style Government-controlled 
health care plan. This is the SBA, the advocate of small business.
  I believe this is contrary to the mission of that agency.
  The gentleman from California [Mr. Kim] over here has offered an 
excellent amendment to deal with the untenable position that small 
businesses have been put in by the Clinton-controlled Small Business 
Administration. His amendment--and I wish Members back in their offices 
would listen to this--his amendment would simply state the sense of 
Congress that health care employer mandates may adversely affect the 
ability of many small businesses to remain in business in order to meet 
their obligations under the programs authorized by this act.
  Small businesses in America create 75 percent of all the new jobs 
every single year, annually, in this country. If that goes through, 
instead of creating 75 percent new jobs, one small business creating 2 
new jobs, that small business is going to lay off 1 or 2. That is how 
you get the 2 million, which raises the deficit by $40 billion every 
time the unemployment rate goes up 1 percent. You trigger in social 
programs that the city, county, town, village, State, and Federal level 
of $40 billion for each 1 percent. The amendment that he would offer 
would further state that none of the funds authorized to be 
appropriated by this act shall be used by the SBA to promote the 
inclusion of employer mandates in any national health care reform 
legislation.
  Mr. Speaker, this germane amendment designed to address the terror 
that exists in small businesses today about the Democrats' health care 
reform was denied upstairs in the Committee on Rules; perfectly germane 
amendment, but it is not going to be allowed to be debated and voted on 
on this floor.
  The ranking Republican on the Small Business Committee, the 
gentlewoman from Kansas [Mrs.  Meyers], sitting to my right, pointed 
out in the Committee on Rules yesterday that Small Business Committee 
bills usually come to the floor under suspension of the rules or under 
an open rule. In my 16 years here I have never seem a Small Business 
bill come to this floor under any kind of rule other than an open rule, 
which means Mr. Kim would have been able to offer his amendment and so 
would the rest of us.
  This restrictive rule is an unprecedented procedure for a committee 
that usually has bipartisan support, and that is a shame.
  The action of the Rules Committee in denying the Kim amendment makes 
it clear that small businesses do not have a seat at the drafting table 
for Democrats drafting a proposal here today.
  Consider the lengths to which the Rules Committee went to make sure 
this amendment never hit the floor. Amendments were first required to 
be submitted to the committee in advance. That is unprecedented, never 
happened before in a small business bill.
  Ten were submitted, five Democrats and four Republicans. That 
certainly was not a flood of amendments, as this is a relatively 
bipartisan bill. The bill itself is not a bad bill, it is a pretty good 
bill.
  The Rules Committee could have made in order all of those amendments 
and under the House's light floor schedule this week--you know, we 
wrapped up business yesterday at 1:30, last night about 6--all 
amendments could have been debated and voted on in a reasonable amount 
of time.
  But instead the Rules Committee resorted to power politics as usual.
  The Democrat leadership blocked Mr. Kim's amendment on employer 
mandates precisely because they knew the bill would pass overwhelmingly 
on both sides of the aisle, a majority of Democrats voting for it, 
certainly all of the Republicans voting for it. Yet the Democrat 
leadership blocked it from being voted on on this floor.
  Mr. Speaker, many of my constituents have asked how were such poor 
health care reform proposals developed? In the legislative and 
executive branches, the common thread has been secrecy and strong-arm 
tactics.
  The First Lady's health care task force, now disbanded, is in deep 
legal trouble. As you recall, it was myself and a few others that got 
the hidden task force members out of the White House and gave it to the 
Wall Street Journal.
  Earlier this week a Federal judge ordered the President's senior 
health adviser, including the First Lady, to stand trial on civil 
charges for producing a health care plan in absolute secrecy and 
possibly in violation of Federal sunshine laws.
  It should be no surprise then that a poor executive process would 
lead to a poor legislative program.
  Members are greatly concerned that when a health care bill eventually 
reaches this floor, they will not be given a separate vote on issues of 
employer mandates. The mandate will be included in an enormous omnibus 
package, and there may be 2 or 3 substitutes but there will not be 1 
vote up or down on employer mandates. I would bet the kitchen sink that 
that is what happens.
  If Members think that the Committee on Rules, the strong arm of the 
Democratic leadership, will allow that separate vote, boy, they sure 
have got another think coming.
  Mr. Speaker, for those of you who have heard complaints in your town 
meetings back in your districts about brutal Government-imposed 
mandates, here is your chance to express the will of the Congress right 
here today. Make no mistake about it, a vote for the previous question 
on this rule we are debating right here is a vote for employer mandates 
on small business owners across this country. So do not try to weasel 
out; if you come over here when I ask for a vote on the previous 
question and you vote ``yes'' on that previous question, you are voting 
to jam down the throats of small business an 80 percent payroll tax on 
top of small businesses in this country and you are going to be held 
accountable for it.
  So when the vote comes up, ladies and gentlemen, you vote ``no'' on 
that previous question and stand up for small business, just like the 
gentleman from New York just stood up.
  Mr. Speaker, I would submit the following material to be printed in 
the Record:

       The following are the recorded votes taken in the House 
     Rules Committee on July 28, 1994 on H.R. 4801, the Small 
     Business Reauthorization and Amendment Act of 1994. These 
     votes are relevant to the debate on the rule providing for 
     consideration of the bill, H. Res. 494 (House Report 103-
     627).

  Rollcall Votes in the Rules Committee on Amendments to the Proposed 
Rule on H.R. 4801, Small Business Reauthorization and Amendment Act of 
                     1994, Thursday, July 28, 1994

       Open Rule--This amendment to the proposed rule provides for 
     one-hour of general debate and an open amendment process. 
     (Vote: Defeated 4-7). Yeas--Solomon, Quillen, Dreier, Goss. 
     Nays--Moakley, Derrick, Beilenson, Bonior, Hall, Gordon, 
     Slaughter. Not Voting: Frost, Wheat.
       Kim (CA)--Sense of Congress that employer mandates would be 
     destructive to small businesses and that the SBA should not 
     use any funds authorized in the bill to promote the inclusion 
     of employer mandates in health care reform legislation. 
     (Vote: Defeated 4-6). Yeas--Solomon, Quillen, Dreier, Goss. 
     Nays--Moakley, Derrick, Beilenson, Bonior, Hall, Slaughter. 
     Not Voting: Frost, Wheat, Gordon.
       Rohrabacher (CA)--Provides that no amounts provided in this 
     Act may be used to provide financial or other assistance to 
     illegal aliens. (Vote: Defeated 5-6). Yeas--Solomon, Quillen, 
     Dreier, Goss, Beilenson. Nays--Moakley, Derrick, Hall, 
     Gordon, Slaughter. Not Voting: Frost, Bonior, Wheat.
       Adoption of Rule--(Adopted 7-4). Yeas--Moakley, Derrick, 
     Beilenson, Bonior, Hall, Gordon, Slaughter. Nays--Solomon, 
     Quillen, Dreier, Goss. Not Voting: Frost, Wheat.

                                  OPEN VERSUS RESTRICTIVE RULES 95TH-103D CONG.                                 
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                                                                              Open rules       Restrictive rules
                      Congress (years)                       Total rules ---------------------------------------
                                                              granted\1\  Number  Percent\2\  Number  Percent\3\
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95th (1977-78).............................................          211     179         85       32         15 
96th (1979-80).............................................          214     161         75       53         25 
97th (1981-82).............................................          120      90         75       30         25 
98th (1983-84).............................................          155     105         68       50         32 
99th (1985-86).............................................          115      65         57       50         43 
100th (1987-88)............................................          123      66         54       57         46 
101st (1989-90)............................................          104      47         45       57         55 
102d (1991-92).............................................          109      37         34       72         66 
103d (1993-94).............................................           81      21         26       60         74 
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\1\Total rules counted are all order of business resolutions reported from the Rules Committee which provide for
  the initial consideration of legislation, except rules on appropriations bills which only waive points of     
  order. Original jurisdiction measures reported as privileged are also not counted.                            
\2\Open rules are those which permit any Member to offer any germane amendment to a measure so long as it is    
  otherwise in compliance with the rules of the House. The parenthetical percentages are open rules as a percent
  of total rules granted.                                                                                       
\3\Restrictive rules are those which limit the number of amendments which can be offered, and include so-called 
  modified open and modified closed rules, as well as completely closed rule, and rules providing for           
  consideration in the House as opposed to the Committee of the Whole. The parenthetical percentages are        
  restrictive rules as a percent of total rules granted.                                                        
                                                                                                                
Sources: ``Rules Committee Calendars & Surveys of Activities,'' 95th-102d Cong.; ``Notices of Action Taken,''   
  Committee on Rules, 103d Cong., through July 29, 1994.                                                        


                                                        OPEN VERSUS RESTRICTIVE RULES: 103D CONG.                                                       
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                                  Rule                                      Amendments                                                                  
   Rule number date reported      type       Bill number and subject         submitted         Amendments allowed         Disposition of rule and date  
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H. Res. 58, Feb. 2, 1993......  MC        H.R. 1: Family and medical     30 (D-5; R-25)..  3 (D-0; R-3)..............  PQ: 246-176. A: 259-164. (Feb. 3,
                                           leave.                                                                       1993).                          
H. Res. 59, Feb. 3, 1993......  MC        H.R. 2: National Voter         19 (D-1; R-18)..  1 (D-0; R-1)..............  PQ: 248-171. A: 249-170. (Feb. 4,
                                           Registration Act.                                                            1993).                          
H. Res. 103, Feb. 23, 1993....  C         H.R. 920: Unemployment         7 (D-2; R-5)....  0 (D-0; R-0)..............  PQ: 243-172. A: 237-178. (Feb.   
                                           compensation.                                                                24, 1993).                      
H. Res. 106, Mar. 2, 1993.....  MC        H.R. 20: Hatch Act amendments  9 (D-1; R-8)....  3 (D-0; R-3)..............  PQ: 248-166. A: 249-163. (Mar. 3,
                                                                                                                        1993).                          
H. Res. 119, Mar. 9, 1993.....  MC        H.R. 4: NIH Revitalization     13 (d-4; R-9)...  8 (D-3; R-5)..............  PQ: 247-170. A: 248-170. (Mar.   
                                           Act of 1993.                                                                 10, 1993).                      
H. Res. 132, Mar. 17, 1993....  MC        H.R. 1335: Emergency           37 (D-8; R-29)..  1(not submitted) (D-1; R-   A: 240-185. (Mar. 18, 1993).     
                                           supplemental Appropriations.                     0).                                                         
H. Res. 133, Mar. 17, 1993....  MC        H. Con. Res. 64: Budget        14 (D-2; R-12)..  4 (1-D not submitted) (D-   PQ: 250-172. A: 251-172. (Mar.   
                                           resolution.                                      2; R-2).                    18, 1993).                      
H. Res. 138, Mar. 23, 1993....  MC        H.R. 670: Family planning      20 (D-8; R-12)..  9 (D-4; R-5)..............  PQ: 252-164. A: 247-169. (Mar.   
                                           amendments.                                                                  24, 1993).                      
H. Res. 147, Mar. 31, 1993....  C         H.R. 1430: Increase Public     6 (D-1; R-5)....  0 (D-0; R-0)..............  PQ: 244-168. A: 242-170. (Apr. 1,
                                           debt limit.                                                                  1993).                          
H. Res. 149 Apr. 1, 1993......  MC        H.R. 1578: Expedited           8 (D-1; R-7)....  3 (D-1; R-2)..............  A: 212-208. (Apr. 28, 1993).     
                                           Rescission Act of 1993.                                                                                      
H. Res. 164, May 4, 1993......  O         H.R. 820: Nate                 NA..............  NA........................  A: Voice Vote. (May 5, 1993).    
                                           Competitiveness Act.                                                                                         
H. Res. 171, May 18, 1993.....  O         H.R. 873: Gallatin Range Act   NA..............  NA........................  A: Voice Vote. (May 20, 1993).   
                                           of 1993.                                                                                                     
H. Res. 172, May 18, 1993.....  O         H.R. 1159: Passenger Vessel    NA..............  NA........................  A: 308-0 (May 24, 1993).         
                                           Safety Act.                                                                                                  
H. Res. 173 May 18, 1993......  MC        S.J. Res. 45: United States    6 (D-1; R-5)....  6 (D-1; R-5)..............  A: Voice Vote (May 20, 1993)     
                                           forces in Somalia.                                                                                           
H. Res. 183, May 25, 1993.....  O         H.R. 2244: 2d supplemental     NA..............  NA........................  A: 251-174. (May 26, 1993).      
                                           appropriations.                                                                                              
H. Res. 186, May 27, 1993.....  MC        H.R. 2264: Omnibus budget      51 (D-19; R-32).  8 (D-7; R-1)..............  PQ: 252-178. A: 236-194 (May 27, 
                                           reconciliation.                                                              1993).                          
H. Res. 192, June 9, 1993.....  MC        H.R. 2348: Legislative branch  50 (D-6; R-44)..  6 (D-3; R-3)..............  PQ: 240-177. A: 226-185. (June   
                                           appropriations.                                                              10, 1993).                      
H. Res. 193, June 10, 1993....  O         H.R. 2200: NASA authorization  NA..............  NA........................  A: Voice Vote. (June 14, 1993).  
H. Res. 195, June 14, 1993....  MC        H.R. 5: Striker replacement..  7 (D-4; R-3)....  2 (D-1; R-1)..............  A: 244-176.. (June 15, 1993).    
H. Res. 197, June 15, 1993....  MO        H.R. 2333: State Department.   53 (D-20; R-33).  27 (D-12; R-15)...........  A: 294-129. (June 16, 1993).     
                                           H.R. 2404: Foreign aid.                                                                                      
H. Res. 199, June 16, 1993....  C         H.R. 1876: Ext. of ``Fast      NA..............  NA........................  A: Voice Vote. (June 22, 1993).  
                                           Track''.                                                                                                     
H. Res. 200, June 16, 1993....  MC        H.R. 2295: Foreign operations  33 (D-11; R-22).  5 (D-1; R-4)..............  A: 263-160. (June 17, 1993).     
                                           appropriations.                                                                                              
H. Res. 201, June 17, 1993....  O         H.R. 2403: Treasury-postal     NA..............  NA........................  A: Voice Vote. (June 17, 1993).  
                                           appropriations.                                                                                              
H. Res. 203, June 22, 1993....  MO        H.R. 2445: Energy and Water    NA..............  NA........................  A: Voice Vote. (June 23, 1993).  
                                           appropriations.                                                                                              
H. Res. 206, June 23, 1993....  O         H.R. 2150: Coast Guard         NA..............  NA........................  A: 401-0. (July 30, 1993).       
                                           authorization.                                                                                               
H. Res. 217, July 14, 1993....  MO        H.R. 2010: National Service    NA..............  NA........................  A: 261-164. (July 21, 1993).     
                                           Trust Act.                                                                                                   
H. Res. 220, July 21, 1993....  MC        H.R. 2667: Disaster            14 (D-8; R-6)...  2 (D-2; R-0)..............  PQ: 245-178. F: 205-216. (July   
                                           assistance supplemental.                                                     22, 1993).                      
H. Res. 226, July 23, 1993....  MC        H.R. 2667: Disaster            15 (D-8; R-7)...  2 (D-2; R-0)..............  A: 224-205. (July 27, 1993).     
                                           assistance supplemental.                                                                                     
H. Res. 229, July 28, 1993....  MO        H.R. 2330: Intelligence        NA..............  NA........................  A: Voice Vote. (Aug. 3, 1993).   
                                           Authority Act, fiscal year                                                                                   
                                           1994.                                                                                                        
H. Res. 230, July 28, 1993....  O         H.R. 1964: Maritime            NA..............  NA........................  A: Voice Vote. (July 29, 1993).  
                                           Administration authority.                                                                                    
H. Res. 246, Aug. 6, 1993.....  MO        H.R. 2401: National Defense    149 (D-109; R-    ..........................  A: 246-172. (Sept. 8, 1993).     
                                           authority.                     40).                                                                          
H. Res. 248, Sept. 9, 1993....  MO        H.R. 2401: National defense    ................  ..........................  PQ: 237-169. A: 234-169. (Sept.  
                                           authorization.                                                               13, 1993).                      
H. Res. 250, Sept. 13, 1993...  MC        H.R. 1340: RTC Completion Act  12 (D-3; R-9)...  1 (D-1; R-0)..............  A: 213-191-1. (Sept. 14, 1993).  
H. Res. 254, Sept. 22, 1993...  MO        H.R. 2401: National Defense    ................  91 (D-67; R-24)...........  A: 241-182. (Sept. 28, 1993).    
                                           authorization.                                                                                               
H. Res. 262, Sept. 28, 1993...  O         H.R. 1845: National            NA..............  NA........................  A: 238-188 (10/06/93).           
                                           Biological Survey Act.                                                                                       
H. Res. 264, Sept. 28, 1993...  MC        H.R. 2351: Arts, humanities,   7 (D-0; R-7)....  3 (D-0; R-3)..............  PQ: 240-185. A: 225-195. (Oct.   
                                           museums.                                                                     14, 1993).                      
H. Res. 265, Sept. 29, 1993...  MC        H.R. 3167: Unemployment        3 (D-1; R-2)....  2 (D-1; R-1)..............  A: 239-150. (Oct. 15, 1993).     
                                           compensation amendments.                                                                                     
H. Res. 269, Oct. 6, 1993.....  MO        H.R. 2739: Aviation            N/A.............  N/A.......................  A: Voice Vote. (Oct. 7, 1993).   
                                           infrastructure investment.                                                                                   
H. Res. 273, Oct. 12, 1993....  MC        H.R. 3167: Unemployment        3 (D-1; R-2)....  2 (D-1; R-1)..............  PQ: 235-187. F: 149-254. (Oct.   
                                           compensation amendments.                                                     14, 1993).                      
H. Res. 274, Oct. 12, 1993....  MC        H.R. 1804: Goals 2000 Educate  15 (D-7; R-7; I-  10 (D-7; R-3).............  A: Voice Vote. (Oct. 13, 1993).  
                                           America Act.                   1).                                                                           
H. Res. 282, Oct. 20, 1993....  C         H.J. Res. 281: Continuing      N/A.............  N/A.......................  A: Voice Vote. (Oct. 21, 1993).  
                                           appropriations through Oct.                                                                                  
                                           28, 1993.                                                                                                    
H. Res. 286, Oct. 27, 1993....  O         H.R. 334: Lumbee Recognition   N/A.............  N/A.......................  A: Voice Vote. (Oct. 28, 1993).  
                                           Act.                                                                                                         
H. Res. 287, Oct. 27, 1993....  C         H.J. Res. 283: Continuing      1 (D-0; R-0)....  0.........................  A: 252-170. (Oct. 28, 1993).     
                                           appropriations resolution.                                                                                   
H. Res. 289, Oct. 28, 1993....  O         H.R. 2151: Maritime Security   N/A.............  N/A.......................  A: Voice Vote. (Nov. 3, 1993).   
                                           Act of 1993.                                                                                                 
H. Res. 293, Nov. 4, 1993.....  MC        H. Con. Res. 170: Troop        N/A.............  N/A.......................  A: 390-8. (Nov. 8, 1993).        
                                           withdrawal Somalia.                                                                                          
H. Res. 299, Nov. 8, 1993.....  MO        H.R. 1036: Employee            2 (D-1; R-1)....  N/A.......................  A: Voice Vote. (Nov. 9, 1993).   
                                           Retirement Act-1993.                                                                                         
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H. Res. 303, Nov. 9, 1993.....  O         H.R. 322: Mineral exploration  N/A.............  N/A.......................  A: Voice Vote. (Nov. 16, 1993).  
H. Res. 304, Nov. 9, 1993.....  C         H.J. Res. 288: Further CR, FY  N/A.............  N/A.......................  .................................
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H. Res. 312, Nov. 17, 1993....  MC        H.R. 3425: EPA Cabinet Status  27 (D-8; R-19)..  9 (D-1; R-8)..............  F: 191-227. (Feb. 2, 1994).      
H. Res. 313, Nov. 17, 1993....  MC        H.R. 796: Freedom Access to    15 (D-9; R-6)...  4 (D-1; R-3)..............  A: 233-192. (Nov. 18, 1993).     
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H. Res. 314, Nov. 17, 1993....  MC        H.R. 3351: Alt Methods Young   21 (D-7; R-14)..  6 (D-3; R-3)..............  A: 238-179. (Nov. 19, 1993).     
                                           Offenders.                                                                                                   
H. Res. 316, Nov. 19, 1993....  C         H.R. 51: D.C. statehood bill.  1 (D-1; R-0)....  N/A.......................  A: 252-172. (Nov. 20, 1993).     
H. Res. 319, Nov. 20, 1993....  MC        H.R. 3: Campaign Finance       35 (D-6; R-29)..  1 (D-0; R-1)..............  A: 220-207. (Nov. 21, 1993).     
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H. Res. 320, Nov. 20, 1993....  MC        H.R. 3400: Reinventing         34 (D-15; R-19).  3 (D-3; R-0)..............  A: 247-183. (Nov. 22, 1993).     
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H. Res. 336, Feb. 2, 1994.....  MC        H.R. 3759: Emergency           14 (D-8; R-5; I-  5 (D-3; R-2)..............  PQ: 244-168. A: 342-65. (Feb. 3, 
                                           Supplemental Appropriations.   1).                                           1994).                          
H. Res. 352, Feb. 8, 1994.....  MC        H.R. 811: Independent Counsel  27 (D-8; R-19)..  10 (D-4; R-6).............  PQ: 249-174. A: 242-174. (Feb. 9,
                                           Act.                                                                         1994).                          
H. Res. 357, Feb. 9, 1994.....  MC        H.R. 3345: Federal Workforce   3 (D-2; R-1)....  2 (D-2; R-0)..............  A: VV (Feb. 10, 1994).           
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H. Res. 384, Mar. 9, 1994.....  MC        H. Con. Res. 218: Budget       14 (D-5; R-9)...  5 (D-3; R-2)..............  A: 245-171 (Mar. 10, 1994).      
                                           Resolution FY 1995-99.                                                                                       
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H. Res. 414, Apr. 28, 1994....  O         H.R. 3254: NSF Auth. Act.....  N/A.............  N/A.......................  A: Voice Vote (May 3, 1994).     
H. Res. 416, May 4, 1994......  C         H.R. 4296: Assault Weapons     7 (D-5; R-2)....  0 (D-0; R-0)..............  A: 220-209 (May 5, 1994).        
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                                           FY 1995.                                                                     1994).                          
H. Res. 444, May 25, 1994.....  MC        H.R. 4454: Leg Branch Approp,  43 (D-10; R-33).  12 (D-8; R-4).............  A: 249-177 (May 26, 1994).       
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H. Res. 447, June 8, 1994.....  O         H.R. 4539: Treasury/Postal     N/A.............  N/A.......................  A: 236-177 (June 9, 1994).       
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H. Res. 475, July 12, 1994....  O         H.R. 1188: Anti. Redlining in  N/A.............  N/A.......................  A: Voice Vote (July 20, 1994).   
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H. Res. 484, July 20, 1994....  MC        H.R. 4604: Budget Control Act  3 (D-2; R-1)....  3 (D-2; R-1)..............  PQ: 245-180 A: Voice Vote (July  
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H. Res. 494, July 28, 1994....  MC        H.R. 4801: SBA Reauth &        10 (D-5; R-5)...  6 (D-4; R-2)..............  .................................
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  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the 
gentleman from New York [Mr. LaFalce], chairman of the committee.
  Mr. LaFALCE. I thank the chairman of the Committee on Rules for 
yielding this time to me.
  Mr. Speaker, I just want to say that I admire tremendously the 
histrionic ability of the gentleman from New York [Mr. Solomon]. He has 
done a great job of emoting it.
  Mr. LaFALCE. The only difficulty is that this is the Small Business 
Administration Reauthorization Act, it is not the health care bill. The 
problem is that some Members have wanted to take what has been a 
totally nonpartisan effort over the years, the reauthorization of the 
SBA Programs, and make it into a political contest over what should or 
should not be in the health care bill.
  I think you can have some debate on the rule, but I think that debate 
on the rule should be when the health care bill comes up. At least all 
the remarks of the gentleman up to now, virtually all of them, have 
been in connection with health care issues.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. LaFALCE. I surely do.
  Mr. SOLOMON. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, you know, nobody would like to make it more bipartisan 
than me. If we had been given an open rule, as the gentleman from New 
York [Mr. LaFalce] has brought to this floor many times during his 
career--and he has been here a couple of years longer than I have--he 
has never brought a rule to this floor that has been restrictive.

                              {time}  1300

  This is a germane amendment. It is an amendment that would be allowed 
under normal rulings of the house. Let me read it to my colleagues:
  None of the funds authorized to be appropriated by this act shall be 
used by the Small Business Administration to promote the inclusion of 
employer mandates.
  I mean what is wrong with that? I mean it is germane according to the 
Parliamentarian sitting over there. I ask, ``Why can't we have a debate 
on that and vote on it?''
  Mr. LaFALCE. First of all, that was not the original amendment that 
was offered. The original amendment that was offered was a sense of 
Congress resolution with respect to certain health care issues.
  Mr. SOLOMON. That is part of it, too. I did not read the first part 
of it. I just read the----
  Mr. LaFALCE. All right; so that is part of it also----
  Mr. SOLOMON. And it is germane.
  Mr. LaFALCE. No, it is not germane. That belongs to the health care 
bill, and that is what we should be debating on.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. LaFALCE. I yield to the gentleman from California.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, let me just say I had the privilege of 
serving my first years in the Congress as a member of the Committee on 
Small Business, and we have regularly seen this bill come up under an 
open amendment process.
  Now the distinguished committee chairman has just said that the Kim 
amendment is nongermane, when, in fact, it has been ruled germane by 
the Parliamentarian. It is determined that, as we focus on small 
business issues and the impact that the Small Business Administration 
has on that segment of our economy which creates jobs, that possibly we 
ought to look at this issue rather than letting the Democrat leadership 
simply say, because we are afraid of having a vote on the House floor 
on employer mandates, we are not going to be allowed to deal with that 
until we face the health care bill.
  I think it is wrong, I think it is wrong, I think we should have that 
opportunity to do it, and this previous-question battle is the one 
chance we will have to vote on employer mandates, and I thank the 
gentleman from New York [Mr. LaFalce], my friend, for having yielded to 
me.
  Mr. LaFALCE. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, the point is this is 
the SBA reauthorization bill. The issues they are concerned about, 
employer mandate, are appropriately considered in the debate on health 
care. We hope to take the health care bill up sometime between, say, 
August 9 and August 12. I hope we will be able to do that. At that time 
their arguments on the rule with respect to employer mandates on small 
business would be most applicable. We will join issue on that time. Now 
we are talking about the 7A Loan Guarantee Program. Now we are talking 
about the SBIC Program, et cetera.
  In fact, of all the amendments that are being offered by the 
minority, I am going to be accepting them on the one chief issue in 
controversy in committee which precluded a unanimous vote of the 
committee, the SBIC Program. I have come into a compromise. I have 
entered into a compromise with the ranking minority member. It is that 
some spirit that has enabled me to come to the floor year after year 
after year with an open rule. That spirit though has been violated 
because of the intensity of the debate on health care and an attempt to 
inject the health care debate into this reauthorization.
  So, Mr. Speaker, for that reason I am going to conclude my remarks 
and hope we can go to a vote.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from 
Pennsylvania [Mr. Walker].
  Mr. WALKER. Mr. Speaker, I just want to point out that I just went up 
and took this amendment up to the Chair to see whether or not we had 
some misunderstanding here about the germaneness of this amendment.
  This amendment is an entirely germane amendment. There is absolutely 
nothing in this amendment that is not germane. It is an amendment that 
is entirely in order because it goes only to the subject matter of the 
Small Business Administration. It talks only about Small Business 
Administration funds.
  So, Mr. Speaker, to suggest that there was something out of order 
about this amendment is to suggest something which just is not the 
case.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. WALKER. I yield to the gentleman from New York.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, let me just say, as the gentleman knows, we 
have been told that there are not going to be open amendments to any 
health care bill that comes on the floor. At best there might be a 
Democrat based text proposal, maybe a Republican substitute. But there 
is not going to be allowed individual amendments on employer mandates 
like this. That is why we need a vote today.
  Mr. Speaker, it is germane; we ought to be voting on it.
  Mr. WALKER. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from New York [Mr. 
Solomon] for that, and I mean he is absolutely correct, and what 
disturbs me here is the fact that we are getting an argument that 
somehow this was a procedural problem when in fact it was absolutely 
something where the Committee on Rules has made a specific 
determination they do not want this issue on the floor. This is 
something they do not want discussed on the floor, and so, therefore, 
we ought not allow it.
  This is not a case of process, procedure or anything else. This is 
just a case of keeping off the floor a debate that they do not want to 
have to go through, and that is Congress acting at its worst because 
they simply, they simply, are keeping the membership from having a 
discussion on something which, under any other circumstances, would be 
entirely germane.
  Mr. Speaker, that is using the power of the Committee on Rules in 
exactly the wrong way.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. WALKER. I yield to the gentleman from California.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I simply would like to underscore once 
again:
  Is it true we would anticipate a restrictive rule on health care, and 
so this may be the only vote that the full membership will have on the 
issue of employer mandates? Am I correct in assuming that?
  Mr. WALKER. I think the gentleman from California [Mr. Dreier] is 
absolutely correct----
  Mr. LaFALCE. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. WALKER. The gentleman would not yield to me, but I would be happy 
to yield to the gentleman from New York.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Fields of Louisiana). The time of the 
gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. Walker] has expired.
  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the 
gentleman from New York [Mr. LaFalce].
  Mr. LaFALCE. Mr. Speaker, the amendment that is presently in my hand 
that was given to me, that is being discussed today, is not the 
amendment that was filed, to be offered. The amendment that was filed 
to be offered was strictly a sense of Congress----
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, would the gentleman yield on that?
  Mr. LaFALCE. I yield to the gentleman from New York.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Let us be very reasonable. As the gentleman knows, when 
Members prefile amendments, as is required under this situation, if 
there is an amendment that is not germane because of some technicality, 
the Members are allowed, on the gentleman's side and ours, quite often 
to modify it to make it germane.
  We spent hours down here working with the Parliamentarian to get the 
germane amendment. The Committee on Rules refused to let him offer it.
  Mr. LaFALCE. This did not enter into my hands, nor did I ever see it, 
until approximately 60 seconds ago. Before that time we were talking 
about a filed amendment that was absolutely nongermane, and again the 
point is the gentleman wants to have a debate on health care issues in 
connection with the SBA reauthorization bill, which should sail through 
this House probably, by unanimous vote. It is unfortunate that we are 
politicizing something that in my entire tenure as chairman of this 
committee has not been politicized up until now.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the gentleman 
from California [Mr. Dreier] be allowed to sit in for me for a few 
minutes and control the time on our side.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from New York?
  There was no objection.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished 
gentlewoman from Overland Park, KS [Mrs. Meyers], the ranking member of 
the Committee on Small Business.
  Mrs. MEYERS of Kansas. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this 
rule. H.R. 4801, the Small Business Administration Reauthorization and 
Amendment Act of 1994 is basically a noncontroversial and important 
piece of legislation. There were only a handful of amendments filed 
with the Committee on Rules, most of which were acceptable to the 
majority and the minority. Historically the legislative proposals that 
are crafted in the Committee on Small Business have strong bipartisan 
support, and these same proposals generally come to the House floor 
under an open rule or suspension of the rules. There is simply no 
reason for H.R. 4801 to be brought to the floor with anything less than 
open rule.
  Two Republican Members, the gentleman from California [Mr. Kim] who 
serves on our committee and the gentleman from California [Mr. 
Rohrabacher], filed amendments with the Committee on Rules that were 
not made in order. These were the only amendments not made in order. 
Presumably they were not made in order because the chairman of our 
committee found the amendment unnecessary, or opposes the amendment, or 
because the Committee on Rules did not want the issue to be discussed 
on the floor. However I would say that the issue of mandates for small 
business is the most important small business issue that is concerning 
small business today or that will be before the Congress this year 
involving small business.

                              {time}  1310

  Mr. Speaker, to say that it is not germane or that somehow it has 
absolutely no place to be considered in this authorization bill is, I 
think, just incorrect.
  Mr. Speaker, I may not support all of the amendments that were filed 
with the Rules Committee or that would be offered to H.R. 4801 under an 
open rule, but I support the right of any Member to offer an amendment. 
The Small Business Committee must regularly work together on a 
bipartisan basis for the protection and promotion of small business. 
Arbitrarily limiting the amendments that can be offered on small 
business legislation is in absolute opposition to that principle.
  Mr. Speaker, I am very disappointed that anything less than an open 
rule was requested for H.R. 4801, and that the Rules Committee saw fit 
to grant this closed rule. This sets a negative new precedent for Small 
Business Committee legislation, and I urge the House to reject this 
closed rule.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, may I inquire of the chairman of the Rules 
Committee whether there are any speakers on the other side.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Fields of Louisiana). The Chair 
recognizes the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Moakley].
  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, in answer to the gentleman's question, no, 
the speakers on this side will reserve their time on the employer 
mandate issue for the bill that should be on the floor at the time, the 
health care bill.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, as we continue to talk about the impact of 
employer mandates on the small business sector of the economy, I yield 
5 minutes to my friend, the gentleman from Diamond Bar, CA [Mr. Kim], 
the author of the very important amendment which we hope will be made 
in order when we defeat the previous question.
  Mr. KIM. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to me.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise today in strong opposition to this rule.
  I came here as a freshman, as a former businessman, thinking that I 
would have an opportunity, a genuine opportunity, to help the small 
businesses of this Nation. However, yesterday I found out that this is 
not necessarily the case. I was absolutely shocked.
  Yesterday I offered an amendment which was simple and 
straightforward. My amendment expresses the sense of Congress that 
employer mandates would be detrimental to small businesses and 
prohibits the SBA, a government agency which is supposed to act as an 
advocate for small business, from spending taxpayer dollars to promote 
employer mandates. I offered my amendment yesterday because the SBA has 
spent nearly $100,000 last year alone to make a slick brochure telling 
every small business owner that employer mandates is good for them.
  The reason behind my amendment is simple. Employer mandates would be 
bad for small business. Every credible study predicts that employer 
mandates will cost substantial job losses. Even the economic adviser of 
the President himself predicted that over 600,000 jobs would be 
eliminated as a result of employer mandates. Every study shows that 
there would be huge job losses if employer mandates are implemented.
  We do not have to rely on academic studies to understand why employer 
mandates would be a bad idea. All we have to do is listen to any small 
business owner and any small business employee in the Nation.
  Over the last 2 months the White House has sponsored seven different 
small business conferences attended by owners of small businesses and 
employees of small businesses in seven different States. In six out of 
seven of those State conferences small business owners voted 
unanimously to reject employer mandates.
  My point is simple. Employer mandates is a bad idea, one that small 
business owners overwhelmingly reject, and they are frightened that the 
SBA, which is supposed to be an advocate for small business, should be 
spending its own budget money going around the country telling small 
business owners that employer mandates would be good for them.
  That is why I offered my amendment to prohibit the SBA from spending 
taxpayer dollars to promote a policy which would be detrimental to the 
very small businesses it is supposed to represent.
  However, the Rules Committee decided yesterday to reject my amendment 
and prohibited me from even offering it on the floor. Even the 
Parliamentarian said this is a germane amendment.
  Why was this done? Why was it rejected? They said we should not be 
debating the health care reform issue on the small business bill. They 
argued that my amendment was not appropriate at this time. Well, I may 
be new in town, but this is an old game. The House is supposed to 
debate issues, and that is what the fight on this rule is all about. If 
we cannot debate the activities of the Small Business Administration 
now, when can we debate them?
  All I am saying is that the SBA should not spend the funds authorized 
to be appropriated by the Small Business Reauthorization Act to promote 
employer mandates which would really eventually hurt small businesses 
themselves. I do not understand why we should not be allowed to debate 
this issue today. How can we debate the issue later at the time 
Congress is considering the health care issue? Should I offer my 
amendment at that time, saying that the SBA should not spend money any 
more at the time of the health care debate?
  I will bet that if I offered my amendment on the health care bill, 
the Rules Committee would tell me that my amendment is out of order 
because it is not appropriate to debate SBA issues while considering a 
health care bill.
  This is exactly the kind of blatant hypocrisy I came here to fight.
  In case my colleagues are wondering, let me tell them the real reason 
why they do not want to have a vote on this amendment. They are 
terrified. They are terrified that this body might vote to reject this 
job-killing proposal. In fact, they are so terrified that they will not 
even let a perfectly germane amendment come to the floor for debate.
  Mr. Speaker, shame on us. This is why the American people are so 
angry and frustrated at the Congress. For this reason I urge my 
colleagues to defeat this rule so we can have a fair and honest debate 
on my amendment. I think we owe it to the owners and employees of the 
small businesses of this Nation.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from 
Massachusetts [Mr. Moakley].
  Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I have no requests for time at the present 
time.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
  Mr. Speaker, we have a very simple vote that is coming before us. It 
is on the previous question. If Members are in favor of employer 
mandates, they will vote yes on the previous question. It they are 
opposed to employer mandates, they will vote no on the previous 
question.
  I have just had a discussion with the distinguished ranking Member of 
the Committee on Small Business, my friend, the gentlewoman from Kansas 
[Mrs. Meyers], who has told me that the single most important small 
business issue this year is employer mandates in the health care area.
  It seems to me I have heard that many requests have been made 
throughout this year to have the Small Business Committee hold some 
hearings on the impact of employer mandates, the No. 1 issue for small 
businesses, on the small business community. I am told that hearings 
are scheduled now for August 4. It seems to me quite frankly that that 
is a little late in the game since the issue of health care has been 
debated throughout really the last year and a half.
  Mr. LaFALCE. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. DREIER. I am happy to yield to my friend, the gentleman from New 
York.
  Mr. LaFALCE. Mr. Speaker, the Small Business Committee has had a 
number of hearings on health care.
  We have had representatives from the small business community testify 
on health care, such as the NFIB, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, 
and such as the National Association of Manufacturers, and they were 
certainly allowed to discuss it, and the issue----
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. speaker, I would like to take back my time.
  Mr. LaFALCE. We have had witnesses testify on the issue----
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I take back my time.
  Mr. LaFALCE. Mr. Speaker, I say to the gentleman----
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from New York is out of order. 
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from California [Mr. Dreier].
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I take back my time, and I would like to 
inquire of my friend, the gentleman from New York, the distinguished 
committee chairman, have the hearings the Small Business Committee held 
been focused on the issue of employer mandates and their impact on 
small business?
  Mr. LaFALCE. That certainly has been one of the primary issues that 
the Small Business Committee has covered in testimony before the 
committee.
  Mr. DREIER. So there have been hearings on the employer mandate 
issue?
  Mr. LaFALCE. Yes, and they will testify----
  Mr. DREIER. If this is the case, I am sorry, I will say to my friend, 
the distinguished chairman of the committee. If hearings have been held 
by the Small Business Committee specifically targeted at the issue of 
employer mandates, then I regret what I said----
  Mr. LaFALCE. The issue was----
  Mr. DREIER. No, Mr. Speaker, I was asking whether employer mandates 
was the issue----
  Mr. LaFALCE. Mr. Speaker----
  Mr. WALKER. Regular order, Mr. Speaker.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I reclaim my time, and I yield to the 
ranking member of the Small Business Committee, my friend, the 
gentlewoman from Kansas [Mrs. Meyers].
  Mrs. MEYERS of Kansas. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for 
yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, we have had some hearings on the impact of mandates in 
Hawaii, and I think most people would agree that the experience there 
would not be exactly applicable to the entire United States.
  Mr. DREIER. No, everyone has concluded that.

                              {time}  1320

  Mrs. MEYERS of Kansas. Also in that same hearing, we heard about the 
experience in Cleveland where a great many employers have banded 
together on health insurance. But that is not mandated, of course. That 
was just a hearing on how it affected those in Cleveland.
  I do not think that we have had a hearing on the impact of mandates 
on small business in this country.
  Mr. DREIER. I am happy to yield further to the distinguished chairman 
of the committee to respond to the ranking member.
  Mr. LaFALCE. If I can refresh the recollection of the distinguished 
minority ranking member, I recall a representative from the Small 
Business Legislative Council, a representative from the National 
Federation of Independent Business, a representative from the U.S. 
Chamber of Commerce, a representative from the National Association of 
Manufacturers, et cetera, et cetera, testifying on the issue of health 
care, and including as a principal part of their testimony, as a 
principal part of the question and answer that ensued, the impact of an 
employer mandate on small business.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, the issue we faced here, 
I guess there has been some talk in the Committee on Small Business and 
the General Economy about the issue of employer mandates. It sounds to 
me as if there was not a specific hearing held to discuss the issue of 
employer mandates. I guess since it is the number one issue that is 
concerning the small business community, it has been raised.
  Well, that is the reason we are having this previous question battle 
right here. The fact of the matter is the Committee on Rules denied 
this new Member of the House, who has come fresh from the business 
community as a small businessman to serve here, the right to even offer 
his amendment that would deal with the issue of employer mandates.
  I think it is an extraordinarily unfair treatment of a new Member, 
and I am going to urge defeat of the previous question.
  Mr. Speaker, I would like to yield to another Member whose amendment 
was denied. I offered it myself up in the Committee on Rules, and they 
said it was already covered in the bill. But frankly the amendment, my 
friends, would go further in dealing with a very important issue.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman 
from California [Mr. Rohrabacher].
  Mr. ROHRABACHER. Mr. Speaker, another reason to oppose this rule is 
the fact I was denied my attempt to offer an amendment that would 
strengthen the language in this bill and make it absolutely clear that 
no money in this bill would be used to provide benefits to illegal 
aliens. The language in the bill, there is current language in the 
bill, but it is not adequate to do the job. If there was agreement on 
the issue that no benefits should be extended to illegal aliens, I 
should have been at least provided an opportunity to present an 
amendment that would make that absolutely clear.
  Over and over and over again we hear on the floor that, oh, we are 
all in agreement; money should not be wasted on giving benefits to 
illegal aliens.
  We have limited resources. We do not even have the resources to 
provide these benefits for our own people. We all agree with you, Dana. 
We should not be providing benefits to illegal aliens. But then again, 
every time I try to propose an amendment like this, I am knocked out of 
the ballpark by the fact that I cannot even propose an amendment that 
makes it clear in the language of the bill that the benefits should not 
be going to illegal aliens.
  Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time to say what I was 
explained to by the majority up in the Committee on Rules, they said 
this issue is already dealt with in the bill. But, quite frankly, as we 
looked at it, it was not strong enough to deal with that very serious 
problem we have. And the Rohrabacher amendment is just one of the 
reasons we should vote against this rule.
  But the fact of the matter is our previous question battle is over a 
very important small business issue. The number one small business 
issue that we have out there today is are we going to support in this 
House the imposition of employer mandates on the small business sector 
of our economy. The gentleman from California [Mr. Kim] says that we 
should not.
  If you support the idea of ensuring that employer mandates are not 
imposed on the small business sector, we have one choice today, and 
that is to vote no on the previous question.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  Mr. DERRICK. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I 
move the previous question on the resolution.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Fields of Louisiana). The question is on 
ordering the previous question.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.
  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 5(b)(1) of rule XV, the 
Chair announces that he will reduce to a minimum of 5 minutes the 
period of time within which a vote by electronic device, if ordered, 
will be taken on the question of agreeing to the resolution.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--yeas 215, 
nays 169, not voting 50, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 364]

                               YEAS--215

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Applegate
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Conyers
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Edwards (TX)
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Frank (MA)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Jefferson
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E.B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     Lantos
     LaRocco
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Long
     Lowey
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McCurdy
     McDermott
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Peterson (FL)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rose
     Rostenkowski
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Sarpalius
     Sawyer
     Schenk
     Schroeder
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sharp
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Strickland
     Studds
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Tanner
     Taylor (MS)
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Traficant
     Tucker
     Unsoeld
     Valentine
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Waters
     Watt
     Waxman
     Whitten
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                               NAYS--169

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barcia
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bateman
     Bentley
     Bereuter
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooper
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Fish
     Fowler
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Gingrich
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hamilton
     Hancock
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Jacobs
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Lancaster
     Lazio
     Leach
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Lucas
     Machtley
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHugh
     McInnis
     Meyers
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Penny
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Santorum
     Saxton
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Snowe
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Tauzin
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Weldon
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                             NOT VOTING--50

     Bacchus (FL)
     Becerra
     Boehner
     Brooks
     Carr
     Clay
     Clement
     Collins (MI)
     Dickey
     Flake
     Ford (TN)
     Gallegly
     Gallo
     Gephardt
     Geren
     Gibbons
     Glickman
     Grandy
     Hansen
     Houghton
     Hutto
     Inhofe
     Inslee
     Kyl
     Laughlin
     Livingston
     Lloyd
     McDade
     McKeon
     McMillan
     Mica
     Murphy
     Owens
     Pickle
     Quillen
     Ravenel
     Reynolds
     Ridge
     Roemer
     Rowland
     Shaw
     Slattery
     Smith (IA)
     Stark
     Sundquist
     Synar
     Thornton
     Towns
     Washington
     Wheat

                              {time}  1346

  The Clerk announced the following pairs:
  On this vote:

       Mr. Becerra for, with Mr. McKeon against.
       Mr. Synar for, with Mr. Quillen against.

  Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky and Mr. BARCIA of Michigan changed their vote 
from ``yea'' to ``nay.''
  Mrs. MINK of Hawaii and Ms. PELOSI changed their vote from ``nay'' to 
``yea.''
  So the previous question was ordered.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  (By unanimous consent, Mr. Solomon was allowed to speak out of 
order.)


                          legislative program

  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, my purpose in speaking is to ascertain the 
schedule for the rest of the day.
  Mr. Speaker, I understand that the pending vote on the rule which I 
will ask for will be the last vote of the day, depending on the 
gentleman from South Carolina [Mr. Derrick], and I would yield to him 
to confirm that.
  Mr. DERRICK. Mr. Speaker, if we have a recorded vote on the final 
passage of the rule, which we expect to have, that will be the last 
recorded vote of the week.
  Mr. SOLOMON. For today?
  Mr. DERRICK. The gentleman is right.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Fields of Louisiana). The question is on 
the resolution.
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the ayes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. This is a 5-minute vote.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 221, 
noes 161, not voting 52, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 365]

                               AYES--221

     Abercrombie
     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Andrews (NJ)
     Andrews (TX)
     Applegate
     Baesler
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Beilenson
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Blackwell
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brewster
     Brooks
     Browder
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Bryant
     Byrne
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Chapman
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (IL)
     Conyers
     Coppersmith
     Costello
     Coyne
     Cramer
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Derrick
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Dooley
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Edwards (TX)
     Engel
     English
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Fingerhut
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Frank (MA)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gejdenson
     Gephardt
     Gibbons
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Harman
     Hastings
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Hughes
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (GA)
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E.B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kaptur
     Kennedy
     Kennelly
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klein
     Klink
     Kopetski
     Kreidler
     LaFalce
     Lambert
     Lancaster
     Lantos
     LaRocco
     Lehman
     Levin
     Lewis (GA)
     Lipinski
     Long
     Lowey
     Maloney
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McCurdy
     McHale
     McKinney
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Miller (CA)
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moran
     Murtha
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Neal (NC)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Orton
     Pallone
     Parker
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Payne (VA)
     Pelosi
     Penny
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Pickett
     Pomeroy
     Poshard
     Price (NC)
     Rahall
     Rangel
     Reed
     Richardson
     Rose
     Rostenkowski
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sangmeister
     Sarpalius
     Sawyer
     Schenk
     Schumer
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sharp
     Shepherd
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Skelton
     Slaughter
     Spratt
     Stark
     Stenholm
     Stokes
     Strickland
     Studds
     Stupak
     Swett
     Swift
     Tanner
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thurman
     Torres
     Torricelli
     Traficant
     Tucker
     Unsoeld
     Valentine
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Waters
     Watt
     Waxman
     Whitten
     Williams
     Wilson
     Wise
     Woolsey
     Wyden
     Wynn
     Yates

                               NOES--161

     Allard
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Ballenger
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Barton
     Bentley
     Bereuter
     Bilirakis
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonilla
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Callahan
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Castle
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Condit
     Cooper
     Cox
     Crane
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Ehlers
     Emerson
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fawell
     Fields (TX)
     Fish
     Fowler
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Gekas
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gilman
     Gingrich
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hastert
     Hayes
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Huffington
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Kasich
     Kim
     King
     Kingston
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Lazio
     Leach
     Levy
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (FL)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lightfoot
     Linder
     Lucas
     Machtley
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McHugh
     McInnis
     Meyers
     Michel
     Miller (FL)
     Molinari
     Moorhead
     Morella
     Myers
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Paxon
     Petri
     Pombo
     Porter
     Portman
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Ramstad
     Regula
     Roberts
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roukema
     Royce
     Santorum
     Schaefer
     Schiff
     Sensenbrenner
     Shays
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Snowe
     Solomon
     Spence
     Stearns
     Stump
     Talent
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Taylor (NC)
     Thomas (CA)
     Torkildsen
     Upton
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Weldon
     Wolf
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                             NOT VOTING--52

     Bacchus (FL)
     Bateman
     Becerra
     Boehner
     Carr
     Clay
     Clement
     Collins (MI)
     Dickey
     Flake
     Ford (TN)
     Gallegly
     Gallo
     Geren
     Glickman
     Grandy
     Hansen
     Houghton
     Hutto
     Inhofe
     Inslee
     Kyl
     Laughlin
     Livingston
     Lloyd
     McDade
     McDermott
     McKeon
     McMillan
     Mica
     Murphy
     Owens
     Pickle
     Quillen
     Ravenel
     Reynolds
     Ridge
     Roemer
     Roth
     Rowland
     Saxton
     Schroeder
     Shaw
     Slattery
     Smith (IA)
     Sundquist
     Synar
     Thomas (WY)
     Thornton
     Towns
     Washington
     Wheat

                              {time}  1417

  The Clerk announced the following pairs:
  On this vote:

       Mr. Becerra for, with Mr. McKeon against.
       Mr. Synar for, with Mr. Quillen against.

  So the resolution was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.

                          ____________________