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                           THE CLINTON YEARS

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the 
gentleman from California [Mr. Dornan] is recognized for 60 minutes.
  Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, I said during the 1-minute today that I 
would be doing the first of many special orders at the close of 
legislative business but before the gavel comes down reaching out to 
the audience that C-SPAN says is 1,300,000-plus or more. A lot of 
people have called my office and other offices and said they would be 
watching tonight from both parties.
  I want to present something in a very fair way on not only Whitewater 
but what I called this morning all of the ``Clinton years,'' from his 
first defeat against a colleague that I served with here for a decade 
and a half, J.P. Hammerschmidt of Arkansas, the only Republican in 
Arkansas for all the years that I served with him, from that 1974 
defeat of then a very young 28-year-old Clinton to his election 2 years 
later to the attorney general's office, where after only 1 year of 
service in Arkansas, he was ready for the governorship. And he won that 
office at age 32, lost it at 34 and made his comeback in 1982, thanks 
partly to the recession nationwide.

                              {time}  2210

  Mr. Speaker, let me begin by saying that ``I am introducing a 
resolution calling for a formal congressional investigation of the 
charges that have been made by many, including many distinguished 
journalists. The evidence which has thus far trickled into the public 
domain is still fragmentary. Much of it is circumstantial, but it is 
compelling. If the allegations are not true, this country needs to know 
they are not true. If they are true, of course, the country needs to 
know that, as well.
  ``Mr. Speaker, there is a great deal more circumstantial evidence 
which has been brought forward by a number of these reports, and I 
believe the air needs to be cleared,'' Mr. President, I mean, Mr. 
Speaker, ``so I am today,'' or ``next week calling for a formal 
investigation of all these charges and allegations, without prejudging 
what the investigation, might find, but believing deeply that it needs 
to take place in order to establish the truth or falsehood of the 
allegations that have been made.''
  None of those preceding words, Mr. Speaker, back to the point where I 
said, ``I am introducing a resolution,'' are my words at all. They are 
the words of then-Senator Al Gore, now Vice President of the United 
States, all on June 24, 1991.
  My friend, who I saw this morning and wished him a happy St. 
Patrick's Day, Al Gore, after I met the senior Clinton for the first 
time, and told him I would be doing this special order tonight, and 
told him to please have Gergen tape it tonight, so he could watch it in 
his spare time, this might be a busy night for Bill Clinton, I told 
him, ``Give Gergen something to do before he is out the door.''
  He smiled, a rather frozen St. Patrick's Day smile, but I told him I 
would be doing this special order tonight, told Clinton I would be 
doing one tomorrow, and I told him I would be doing dozens throughout 
the year. He said, ``How are you?'' That is what he said when I 
started, so I assumed he was searching for a response, so I wished him 
happy St. Patrick's Day and moved on to Al.
  These are all the words of Al Gore. What was Al referring to, our 
Vice President, June 1991? He was referring to one of the most asinine 
charges ever brought against an American public official, this happened 
to be President Bush, that I have ever encountered in my life. I will 
tell the Members why they were the most ignorant charges ever brought.

  First of all, we spent $30 million of this House's budget, right out 
of the taxpayers' treasury, $30 million of the taxpayers' money trying 
to investigate the sick and, I am sorry for the byplay on his name, the 
sick charges of Gary Sick, a former State Department employee, that 
George Bush had broken away from the presidential race in 1980, where 
he was the bottom half of the Reagan-Bush ticket, and was spirited to a 
secret meeting with Iranian terrorists in Spain, asking them to keep 
our hostages until through the election of November 4, which was 
precisely the 1-year anniversary of the day they had been captured, 
against all international law in Tehran, Iran, and that George Bush had 
then, after a brief meeting with these terrorists and their negotiating 
lawyers, got an OK from them that the hostages would be kept imprisoned 
and maybe in danger of losing their lives until Ronald Reagan had won 
the Presidency, and then they could be released. Nobody ever suggested 
that they would be released at noon, right as President Reagan was 
being inaugurated with George Bush.
  Then President Bush was whisked back to the campaign trail, I believe 
in New Jersey, and all of this was done without Secret Service 
knowledge, since there are logs of the Secret Service that we went into 
to the tune of $30 million.
  How could George Bush have done this? This is my piece of the action, 
where I found this a personal affront to me as a taxpayer. George Bush 
was supposed to have gotten into an SR-71, a Blackbird, the world's 
fastest record holding airplane ever, and holds all the world's time-
to-climb and altitude records to boot.
  To my knowledge, George Bush, as a Congressman for 4 years, earned 
all of his well-served government positions, he was Vice President for 
8 years and President for 4, has never flown faster than the speed of 
sound, unless it was on the British, French Concorde. He has never 
taken any physiological training classes on how to use oxygen or what 
to do at Mach 3, at 82,000 feet, if you lose an engine in that 
Blackbird.
  Everybody on the Blackbird flys in a space suit. I have flown the SR-
71, as has a Democratic lady, Beverly Byron so it does not mean it is 
any great, you know, physical accomplishment, but Beverly Byron, former 
great conservative Democrat from Maryland, still out there doing great 
work on the Base Closing Commission, Mrs. Byron and I and the gentleman 
from Arizona, Bob Stump, current Member of Arizona, who also flew in 
the Blackbird to see if we were getting our money's worth out of it, 
our taxpayers' dollars worth out of it.
  We had gone up to Beale Air Force Base in California and gone through 
a 4-day program, 3\1/2\ days: physiological, training tests, 
unbelievable tests tracking the heart, and then flown the simulator, 
and I flew it for 8 hours; I think they wanted 4 to 6 hours flying it, 
even if you are not a pilot.
  Beverly was pretty good. She had flown the A-10 tank killer, the 
Thunderbolt II. She had flown the F-16, I believe, and a lot of 
preparation with into that.
  George Bush in his sixties, in 1980, his late fifties, was supposed 
to have been put into this plane cold turkey, somewhere in the United 
States. At a secret base, and at Mach 3 spirited to Spain; not so 
easily done, Mr. Speaker. It requires two or three midair refuelings 
from a special refueling wing, one of a kind in the world, also at 
Beale, the 100th Strategic Refueling Wing, using a special kind of 
fuel, JP-7.

  After he landed at some base in Spain where the SR-71 Blackbird, the 
world's most exotic looking aircraft, nobody had even seen it there 
before, they would have seen it taxiing in at the base, he was then 
spirited to the meeting, out of the space suit, back to some secret 
hangar, into the space suit, into the back of the SR-71 dual-control 
model that actually could take somebody other than sitting in the 
reconnaissance officer's seat, and then all the way back to McGuire Air 
Force Base, New Jersey, and actually Gary Sick speculated in his sick, 
sick ramblings that it was probably McGuire, and then into the hangar, 
out of the space suit, back into his campaign trail three- or two-piece 
gray suit, out on the trail, and the Secret Service supposedly said, 
``Where were you, Secretary Bush,'' or ``Ambassador Bush,'' whatever 
the title they wanted to use, probably Ambassador.
  ``Where were you?'' ``Never mind, I had a little stomach problem, 
been gone for a day,'' What an absurdity, what absurdity. Just the 
refueling logistics problems alone, a nightmare. Yet this House spent 
$30 million of taxpayer money proving that there was not a shred of 
truth.
  Mr. Speaker, I have a letter that I will introduce into the Record 
tomorrow night, and I see with all the material there is one I forgot 
to bring, of how Tom Foley, our distinguished Speaker, Mr. Speaker pro 
tem, wrote to a gentleman in Florida who faxed me this letter 
yesterday, saying that he, Tom Foley, Speaker of the House 2 years ago, 
did not believe a word of this, did not think any of it was true, but 
like Al Gore in these three sentences or paragraphs that I read, he 
felt that we had to ``find out the truth, even if it is circumstantial, 
even if the allegations are not true.''
  He said, ``I,'' Tom Foley, ``don't believe they are true, but we must 
find out.'' Then $30 million were spent. The chairman of that select 
committee to spend that $30 million was a very distinguished 
Congressman from Indiana, a man I truly admire and respect, I told him 
so again today, Lee Hamilton.
  Here is yesterday's headline. ``Lee Hamilton Opts For Hearings On 
Whitewater,'' Our beloved Danny Rostenkowski of Chicago, he is on the 
headline of today's Roll Call, ``Rosty Wins Big,'' it says. He is also 
on the front page of the newspapers today.
  Here is the green St. Patrick's Day battered Washington Times: 
``Rostenkowski Joins The Call For Whitewater Hearings.'' After winning 
in the primary, he calls the action inevitable. He might not have 
wanted to turn off the loyal, hard core Democratic faithful in a 
Democrat primary on Monday, but he has a general to win, so he reached 
out to what his taxpayers want, and he calls for a hearing.
  My good friend and pro-lifer, the gentleman from Michigan, David 
Bonior, the distinguished majority whip, I do not think that David, if 
he is in the cloakroom listening, meant to impugn the integrity of the 
gentleman from Indiana, Lee Hamiltion, and the gentleman from Illinois, 
Danny Rostenkowski. They are all tight friends.

                              {time}  2220

  But why would he say it is only the Republicans, only the 
Republicans? You see, my wife told me, reminded me, that on the 
Gennifer Flowers tapes, which KFI radio in Los Angeles sent to our 
family during the election, and we cranked it onto our stereo and 
listened to the mellifluous tones of Gennifer Flowers wafting through 
our house and the high raspy Arkansas twang of Bill Clinton rasping 
through the house, as Clinton was on the Gennifer Flowers tapes, and 
also said, ``Well, we'll more or less, we'll blame it on the 
Republicans.'' If you want the exact quote, I put the 8 minutes that 
Flowers released of written transcript into the Congressional Record on 
September 23, 1992, in the election year, so you can write your 
Congressman or anybody listening knows that, Mr. Speaker, and he will 
send you September 23, 1992, and you can read it right in there how 
there has been a lifelong pattern for Clinton saying, ``Blame it on the 
Republicans.''
  Now, I know Dave Bonior did not mean that it is all political, 
because I did not sign that letter, but I do not think so. Maybe I did, 
but about Mrs. Clinton driving down pharmacy stocks.
  But here is the way I would like to preface my remarks other than 
saying I am only doing what Al Gore and Speaker Tom Foley did about 
clearing up rumors that can divide our country severely.
  Bill Clinton's background has already divided our country severely. I 
have been to enough military bases and flown with enough people from T-
birds and Angels to big C-5's across several oceans to know the 
disrespect with which the line people, NCO's, and officer corps hold 
their Commander-in-Chief to know that this is not going to help, and 
that to even keep the situation from deteriorating worse with people 
who wear uniforms and put their lives on the line like sheriffs and 
cops, anybody who wears blue, khaki, or a military uniform, they are 
not too inspired by this Commander-in-Chief, so this will only make it 
worse if we do not clear things up.
  But let us look at what I am going to begin to try and do to put this 
Whitewater scandal in perspective for my fellow Americans, I am going 
to not only try to tell the facts surrounding the case, but weave it 
together with other facets, draft-dodging, rampant, almost serial, 
womanizing, and tell why it is important that Congress hold the 
hearings. I will offer my opening remarks also with this pearl 
of wisdom to those at the White House who still do not understand why 
they are so miserable, why they have those butterflies in their 
stomach, why they are feeling the way this simple lay conservative 
Republican broadcaster, Bob Dornan, felt about Watergate in the early 
stages.

  I never did become a Watergate buff, studying every detail, and I do 
not expect a lot of my Democrat friends and colleagues are going to 
want to become as expert on this whole mess as I am going to try to be, 
because it is utterly, thoroughly, and totally demoralizing to see the 
leader of the world, and we do not have to say free world anymore, in 
spite of China, North Korea, Cuba, and Communist Vietnam, it is pretty 
much the leader of the world, that Presidential spot.
  I know how demoralizing it is, and I thought I would never have a 
political career in the Grand Old Party, because I called for Richard 
Nixon's resignation before Barry Goldwater, but after Jim Buckley then 
the junior Senator, Federal Senator from New York, and it was painful. 
I did it on a television show when I just could not defend him anymore 
before the smoking-gun tape, before a lot of the revelations; I called 
for Nixon to resign basically for one simple reason, burned my job up, 
and I went home unemployed. I probably would have had a 5-month job as 
the Republican or conservative side of a Nixon Watch, they called it.
  My opponent was a very capable head of the ACLU in Los Angeles, 
smart, attractive woman, Ramona Ripston. She is so smart she is still 
there after all of these years, and I am talking about 20 years ago, 
1974. She is still the head honcho of the ACLU. But I walked. It was 
painful to see the Presidency collapsing, and I believe to this day the 
ignorant handling of this cheap shot, third-rate burglary to steal the 
playbook, to use one of the Mr. Bonior's analogies, to steal the 
playbook of the worst team in the league, and Clinton was on that team, 
by the way, the McGovern team, when they were losing 20 to 30 points 
behind. They just fired their Vice President who had undergone electric 
shock therapy at some point in his life, as though that was something 
wrong, to seek medical help, and put a Kennedyite, one of the brothers-
in-law, on the ticket to try and let the Kennedy mystique salvage the 
ticket. The McGovern campaign was in disarray. There were rumors about 
Castro was going to endorse them, and they were going to try to hold it 
off.
  And they steal the playbook over in the Watergate offices from this 
team. I could not believe it. To this day I believe that that 
mishandling cost Vietnam its freedom and cost about 10 million dead 
human beings in the killing fields of Cambodia and Laos because we lost 
our Commander-in-Chief, not because he had schemed in the burglary, but 
because of the mishandling. Pathetic.
  Let me read a letter from one of the most distinguished and 
intelligent men I have ever come in contact with in public life, and 
this goes for his great wife with whom I work in an excellent group 
called the Catholic Campaign for America, Jean Bork.
  Here is what a great jurist, Robert Bork, who should be sitting on 
that Supreme Court now, here is what he says in the Wall Street 
Journal, March 11, Friday: ``Well, it's the early days, Mr. 
President,'' That is the title. And Mr. Bork says, ``Clinton insists 
the two situations have nothing in common,'' meaning Watergate and 
Whitewatergate. I will just call it Whitewater, but I admire Bill 
Safire, who will not give up on Iraqgate. I am not going to argue with 
him on that mess, either.
  He says, ``Watergate, Iraqgate, Whitewatergate,'' much to the chagrin 
of some liberal honchos at the New York Times. ``The flames of 
Watergate ultimately engulfed the Nixon Presidency,'' Mr. Bork says. 
``So far there are no flames here. There are only wisps of smoke and a 
crackling sound from the tinder under the Clinton Presidency. Well, 
it's the early days, Mr. President. At a comparable stage of the 
Watergate investigation, nobody had accused President Nixon of an abuse 
of power, either. There never was evidence connecting Mr. Nixon 
directly with the Watergate break-in,'' not to this day, Nixon-haters 
to the contrary. ``The end came when the Oval Office tapes showed the 
President planning to use the CIA to deflect the FBI investigation. If 
it is true, as Mr. Clinton and his defenders insist,'' defenders like 
my good friend on the Intelligence Committee, I serve with him, good 
friend, Bill Richardson, ``If it is true as his defenders insist that 
they have attempted no concealment of evidence, it is also the case 
they have certainly given a virtuoso imitation of a coverup. One could 
easily mistake it for the genuine article. We may never know whether 
there is serious wrongdoing that the White House is trying to hide.'' 
That is a tough line that we may never know. ``But the sounds 
of document-shredding raise legitimate questions, and they amount to an 
obstruction of justice. If Mr. Nixon had burned the tapes,'' and by the 
way, as William F. Buckley, my pal, advised him to do in the early days 
when they were his property. That is questionable since they were run 
through a White House taxpayer employer system. ``If Mr. Nixon had 
burned the tapes, he might conceivably have avoided removal from 
office.'' I believe he would have. It does not make anything right or 
wrong, but I believe he would have avoided that, and it sure would have 
been good for 2 million Cambodians and about 186,000 Vietnamese who 
worked for us or liked us who were executed in the concentration camps 
throughout conquered newly Communist Vietnam in 1975, 1976, and 1977.

  But his Presidency, the Nixon Presidency, would have been paralyzed, 
and I believe the Clinton Presidency is close to paralysis in about a 
month.
  If persons close to the Clintons should be indicated for the removal 
or shredding of files, a similar paralysis may afflict their 
administration, Bob Bork continues. There was not in Watergate anything 
similar to Vincent Foster's death. Bill Safire said that on Meet the 
Press this Sunday, and it is a freezing type of a statement. Safire 
puts it very dramatically, as is his wont. There was no body in 
Watergate, There is a dead body here, as there was a dead beautiful 
young women in Chappaquiddick.

                              {time}  2230

  Scandals seem to be propelled, when someone has lost their life, into 
a whole different category.
  I continue, ``Nor is the inexcusable way it was handled by the White 
House giving the park police the responsibility for the 
investigation,'' stop. I am going to call Bob Bork on that. I have a 
letter here from the Police Association of the District of Columbia, 
and I will defend the park police, much to the chagrin of a lot of 
developing Whitewatergate busts. Park police is the oldest uniformed 
police service in the United States of America, 1791, to defend that 
man whose picture is on our floor, George Washington, in his third 
year; first and oldest uniformed police United States. I will defend 
their honor here as I have already called my pal Rush Limbaugh and told 
him he owes an apology to them. Most of his fans--there are a lot of 
rumors that park police are ``Smokey the Bears.'' They are not. They 
did a competent investigation and did nothing where the FBI was not at 
their side, or the Justice Department.
  The Justice Department makes me a little queasy if it was people way 
at the top, but Justice career employees, I feel comfortable with that 
too.
  Bob Bork continues, ``Giving the park police responsibility,'' 
nothing wrong with that. ``Secret removal of files from Mr. Foster's 
office; the lame statement that the so-called suicide note in Foster's 
briefcase had been overlooked earlier.'' I do not believe that.

  The litany goes on. There was far more coverup here than there ever 
was in Watergate until the tapes were played. ``I came into the Nixon 
administration June 26, 1973.'' Let us see, the resignation was August 
9, so he was there 1 year, 1 month and 2 weeks. The way people talk 
about Bob Bork and the way he was attacked viciously in the worst 
character assassination that I have seen of anyone in a Senate 
confirmation, you would think he would have been there from day 1 with 
Nixon. Just 1 year, 1\1/2\ months.
  Bork continues.
  The Watergate break-in was long past, and there was no House 
impeachment committee when he came in June of '73. But the acrid smell 
of the wisps of smoke was unmistakable as the matters grew worse. By 
the way, Watergate break-in--I said I was not a buff, but I do remember 
some of the dates--was June 17. I think of it every June 17 because 
there were 2 million people dead in Cambodia. June 17 of '92. So Bob 
Bork came exactly 1 year and 9 days after the original break-in when he 
said, ``There was a wisp of smoke and a crackling.
  ``As matters grew worse, trips to the White House were more frequent 
and steadily more depressing.'' I know what they are going to start to 
go through, the Democrat colleagues over here and in the Senate and 
downtown.
  ``The building exuded a thick atmosphere of desperation. Then as now, 
senior staff rushed from one damage control meeting to the next. Then 
H.R. Haldemann went down, then Erlichmann went down, they were 
jettisoned. Now it is Bernard Nussbaum, with surely more to follow.''
  I called and found out this story went to bed before Webster Hubbell 
went down. So now we have 2 for 2 and many more to follow in the next 
weeks, and I will address that in a minute.
  ``Then as now, under pressure the Attorney General appointed special 
counsel. The firestorm that followed the firing of Archibald Cox which 
fell to me means that Robert Fiske's tenure is secure. He will not 
suffer the fate of Archibald Cox unless the Clintons are determined to 
repeat every stage of Watergate. Their common element in Watergate and 
in Whitewater is the hatred that both Mr. Nixon and Mr. Clinton arouse, 
though from different ends of the political spectrum. That contributed 
to the bunker mentality in `73, as it now appears to be doing in `94. 
And that bunker mentality always produces mistakes. I think I know a 
little of how the Clinton group feels. It is a unique experience to be 
inside an administration that may or may not be collapsing. The 
frustration of not knowing the facts, the anguish of hoping that 
ultimately investigation will bring vindication, the pain of seeing the 
desperation of those are the center of power, in Watergate only a very 
few people, perhaps no more than two or three knew, that is probably 
true today.''
  I would say ``wrong, Bob Bork.'' It was two or three under Nixon, 
because I do not think that even Pat Nixon was in the circle, I would 
say now it is a minimum of six, seven, eight. ``That is probably true 
today. The rest must be hoping against hope, as we were in the Nixon 
White House.'' Robert H. Bork, Nixon's solicitor general, and then a 
top acting Attorney General and now American Enterprise Institute 
Fellow and one of the greatest legal minds of my lifetime.
  Mr. Speaker, let me first, since on the radio for the least 2 months 
I have been calling regularly, had been calling regularly for the 
resignation of Bob Nussbaum, I found out all the White House people, 
even though they liked him, called him ``Buzz Bomb.'' I have been 
calling for the resignation of Webb, Clinton's golfing budding, Webster 
Hubbell.
  Now let me add to that list since it seems someone listened to me in 
those cases. I believe the next resignations should be four, well, 
three and one firing. I believe Patsy Thomasson, who managed Dan 
Lasater's assets, which we will get to later during the FSLIC case, 
while he was in jail on drug charges. She is now White House aide. She 
is among those who searched legally Bill foster's office. She is going 
to have to go. You will probably see that within a month because she 
does not have her security clearance yet. I do not want to do too much 
speculating, but how can someone in her position be in that White House 
now 2 months into her second year, as Dee Dee Myers is 2 months into 
her second year, and they do not have their top-secret security 
clearances. It leaves one to wonder if they can get them, if they ever 
turn in their paperwork.

  So I think since she has told the press, people inquiring over and 
over, ``I am filling out the forms. I am getting them Monday, on 
Tuesday.'' On Tuesday she will tell you I never told you I would be 
ready on Monday. I completely forgot about it. This has been going on 
just for the last 2 weeks.
  She goes.
  Over at Treasury, and this is sad, a close friend of the Clintons, a 
man who everybody thought would replace former Senator Bentsen, a 
distinguished combat B-24 Liberator pilot from World War II, who wants 
the hell out of all this mess with his great reputation intact, who we 
now hear in the rumor mill in both cloakrooms that the Clinton 
administration is on its knees begging Lloyd Bentsen not to quit 
because then they would have to go through the confirmation process of 
the head of the Treasury Department and all of the pressure and one of 
the top people walking out of the Cabinet at the Cabinet level. They 
have lost their senior White House counsel, they have lost their No. 2 
man to suicide, and they have lost the No. 3 man at Treasury--or 
Justice, who people said really was the No. 2 man, particularly when 
Phil Heymann left after a while. Since he could pick up the phone and 
jingle his golf buddy in the Oval Office, Webster Hubbell was 
demoralizing all the people at the Justice Department because they said 
it was being run by friendship and cronyism.
  Now he is gone, and meanwhile back at Treasury it appears that Lloyd 
Bentsen did not know all these underlings were having these secret 
meetings over at the White House. He is livid with anger. He wants out. 
But being a good soldier, a guy who knows what real combat is like, 
Lloyd Bentsen would probably stay for a while.
  But I do not think the smoke is going to clear. I do not think the 
flak is going to back off William Lloyd. You are going to have to, 
probably to keep your honor, walk. This man, Roger Altman, tall, 
handsome man, looks like Vince Foster, he was going to be the man who 
was going to walk into the job. He is only acting as head of RTC. But 
the deputy treasury secretary, and this RTC Chairman Altman admits he 
called White House officials and then recused himself from any further 
consideration. So we have to get a head for the RTC.
  But more than that, at his side was Gene Hanson. Gene Hanson is 
another top-level employee who knew there were other critical meetings 
and never tapped Mr. Altman on the shoulder like the typical television 
scene in movies or in real life where the lawyer has a little whisper 
off camera with his hand over the mike.

                              {time}  2240

  She sat there and let him say what was wrong, that he knew of only 
one meeting. We have got to give some people the benefit of the doubt 
here, that he was not boldly lying to a Senate committee and, 
therefore, she hung him out.
  You read last week's Time and Newsweek, and you will see a line in 
one of them, I think it is in Newsweek--yes, where an unnamed, and 
there is going to be a lot of these leaks, just like with Watergate--an 
unnamed, highly placed, Democratic source at the White House said, 
``She's going to take it in the eye.'' That is the exact quote because 
of what she did.
  Ms. Jean, J-e-a-n, Hanson with an o-n, in a critical meeting at the 
Treasury, an acting, acting, RTC counsel, told Nussbaum the Clintons 
were mentioned as criminal referral. That is what was all over the news 
tonight with Senator Al D'Amato, and as, potential beneficiaries of 
Madison misconduct, she is one of the ones who tipped them off. Clinton 
says he cannot remember who tipped him off, but she is already saying, 
``I did.'' She will be gone soon. Resign with your health, and try and 
get a public defender because we are getting down to people now that do 
not make as much money as the lawyers they are hiring to defend them, 
but they do not want to go to jail.
  So, Patsy Thomasson will have to go, and that is Thomasson with two 
s's, Roger Altman, Deputy Treasury Secretary goes within the next few 
weeks, and Gene Hanson goes.
  Now here is the one who should be fired. I will do more on this 
tomorrow: Buddy Young, the former commander of troopers in Arkansas.
  Mr. Speaker, the day after Vince Foster committed suicide, and I am 
not just speculating anymore, I believe he committed suicide; I think 
he did from the start. The day after, and there is no connection there, 
but this helps you with the dates. Vince Foster committed suicide on 
July 20. The very next day Buddy Young in Arkansas was told by probably 
the President himself:
  ``Buddy, Captain, you're on your way to Denton, TX, to be head of 
FEMA, and you're getting double pay of what you are getting right now. 
You're going from the high forties to about $95,000 a year. Thanks for 
all the good years, and thanks for bottling up those troopers.''
  Off to Denton, TX, in July, Buddy Young.
  Here is why I think he should be fired: Buddy Young on camera to ABC 
said he was up in the Oval Office the week before Christmas, the very 
week all of the troopers' stories are breaking, and I am sitting in for 
Rush Limbaugh on 650 stations. He flies up from Denton, TX, to 
Washington, takes a car. A limousine picks him up, and he goes to the 
White House compound, and he goes into the Oval Office and sits down 
with the former man that he guarded for 12 years over a 14-year period, 
1978 to 1992, and they started calling troopers.
  Now imagine this scene. Very few press people want to write this 
scene, it is so depressing, but it is true. It is true because Clinton 
has admitted it is true, and Buddy Young talks about it on live camera.
  While the White House calls him on the phone--excuse me, I will get 
this call. Excuse me, it is the White House.
  No, no. Buddy Young was probably telling the truth.
  They sit there, and with all the things to do, men in Somalia. At 
that time there were not--yes--but at that time we had lost 30 men 
killed in action and four from accidents in a combat theater, and the 
President is sitting there Christmas week ringing up personally----

  ``Hi, Danny. It's the President.'' Danny Fergusson. ``Danny, what's 
this about all your troopers coming forward with stuff about all the 
womanizing? Geeze, I thought we liked one another, covered one 
another.''
  I wonder if it was on the spot that Danny Fergusson got promoted from 
sergeant to lieutenant. More about Danny later.
  Then he rings up Ronny Anderson. This is tough. Ronny has five kids; 
three of them are triplets, beautiful triplets. The man is worried 
about his family.
  ``Ronny, what are you doing to me? What are you telling all these 
stories for? Why are you telling these stories about Vince and missis? 
Come on.''
  The L.A. Times had these two officers, troopers who were still on 
active duty, on tape, and they leave their friends, as I said on 
Limbaugh, out there on the battlefield alone to be hammered on and 
chewed over by the liberal media, to have their backgrounds exposed, 
and to show that their two marriages were lost, Roger Perry and Larry 
Patterson, I met them both, they are still on the payroll in Arkansas 
as peace officers protecting people, protecting someone that I served 
here with, Jim Guy Tucker, the current governor.
  I know all these troopers were talking about it. They are not only 
drunks at some bar that were kicked off the payroll in Arkansas. They 
are on the taxpayers' payroll right now, just as they were when Clinton 
was abusing their trust, and they were stupidly going along with it 
until they have a stomach full of it. Some of them and others did not 
get the proper guilt, so he was long gone, and he realized that this 
man that they watched for over a 14-year period was the Commander in 
Chief and leader of the Free World.
  These two troopers tried to pull back everything they did. As I said, 
Danny went from sergeant to lieutenant on the spot. It does not work 
because the L.A. Times has them on tape. I already have the names 
because somebody else has leaked them to David Brock during the 
definitive trooper story in the American Spectator, so I use their 
names right there on national radio, and I am still using them here on 
the House floor to a million and a half people maybe, and I think it is 
about time that these two troopers join Roger Perry and Larry Peterson 
and either say that they are both lying and now we are taking back what 
we said, what we signed in the affidavits, what we said on tape 
recordings to the L.A. Times, and we are going with Bill and Hillary, 
and to heck with Larry and Roger Perry. They are wrong.
  No, no. There were five troopers initially. There is all ten around 
Little Rock will say all of it was true, and Buddy Young, who came up 
to the White House, into the Oval Office in an Nixon/John Dean type 
meeting claiming that they never discussed specific jobs but that 
Clinton said to Danny, ``Why is Roger doing this? Did Roger want a job? 
Where is his bio? I'll look for his bio around here.'' The President 
all but admitted that to the press.
  What? That the leader of the Free World has time to look for one 
trooper's biography, and it is not discussing jobs and silence?
  Geraldo Rivera can rant all he wants, he can rant about these two 
troopers, but they are on the payroll, the taxpayer payroll in 
Arkansas. More about the troopers probably by Wednesday of next week.
  Now there was a hot rumor just flashing around this place. It came up 
in the Speaker's office Thursday or Friday morning last week that Bob 
Dornan was going to take to the well and reenact the suicide of Vince 
Foster. Now how could I do that when I never read a report, I have 
never seen a photograph until that afternoon, and how did the rumor 
start that Bob Dornan was supposedly going to reenact the suicide of 
Vince Foster?

  Well, it started because Thursday morning last week there was the 
biggest traffic jam I've encountered in 18 years here, 17 and a half 
years, so I took a different route in, and I started down George 
Washington Parkway which I had used for 12 or 13 years when I lived in 
Vienna, VA, with my then much younger family in my freshman and early 
years as a Congressman. Beautiful George Washington Parkway, along 
there, and there I see it, Fort Marcy Park, one of the great Civil War 
smaller forts, a structure of eight or nine of them to defend the city 
from the cavalry of Jeb Stuart.
  So, I said it is time to go in there. I called the House. They said 
there is no votes for an hour. I said, ``That's it.'' I wanted to see, 
one, if that park was closed to the general public who pay the bills to 
feed the trees and mow the grass, take care of the parking lot there, 
polish the big Napoleon cannons and take care of this little, 
historical guard fort that overlooks ancient Chain Bridge.
  And I pulled in, and sure enough, sure enough because Vince Foster, 
the No. 2 lawyer at the White House and the personal key lawyer for 
both Clintons who, as the Washington Post, the liberal Post, said was 
their key confident lawyer on all matters public, and political, and 
private. Unbelievable. He kills himself in an historic Civil War park 
so the park has been closed ever since. That is wrong. That was one 
thing I wanted to see.
  And two was a very simple thing. I wanted to see if there were big 
dirt berms built up around the cannons on either side which would make 
it very important whether Vince Foster was standing or sitting when he 
committed suicide, or lying down, whether his body had been dragged 
from somewhere else. Those rumors were hot and heavy on all the talk 
show circuit, and it was being speculated in the New York Post, a 
million person circulation magazine--I mean newspaper, tabloid shape, 
that is read on all the subways along with the New York Daily News by 
millions of people every week. It was being speculated how could the 
body be heels together as though it were lying in a coffin, hand by the 
side, one hand over here with the arm looking like it was carefully 
placed in it. I did want to see if there were big dirt berms by the 
cannon, and I went in there in the rain.
  First of all, a guard approached me and says, ``You can't come in 
here.''
  Handsome, young worker.
  I said, ``Woo, woo, woo, woo, wait a minute. I'm on the taxpayer 
payroll here. I'm a U.S. Representative. I am going to go in there. 
Please let's not have a hassle.''
  ``Oh, no, no, sir, you go right on in; it's OK.''

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  I go in and find the cannon. I said where is the cannon? He says in 
there. I find the cannon very easily. Then I walk up this very high 
inclined path, and all of a sudden there is another cannon. I never 
read anywhere there were two cannons. But maybe I had not been reading 
enough.
  I said which cannon was he at? I looked at them both. They both had 
big dirt berms. There was a field of fire, a V cut in front of the 
barrel. So if he was standing in front of the barrel touching with one 
hand when he shot himself, this way, or reversed thumb, then the bullet 
would have gone through the V. If he was faced the other way, the 
bullet would have sailed over the House of Prince Bandar--it is under a 
multi-million dollar reconstruction right now. A huge Saudi Arabian 
compound over the Potomac--and dropped into somebody's yard. Somebody 
would pick it up and say what is that funny little thing and throw the 
slug away. Or it goes into a tree somewhere.
  So it was important. I came back and I called the park police. The 
first person that answers the phone is a sergeant. He says, I am a Rush 
Limbaugh fan. Why is he beating up on us, Congressman? We ran a good 
report. We had competent investigators. We worked closely with the FBI 
and Justice.
  I said, I want to know which cannon he was by. I don't know. I did 
not conduct the investigation. Here is who did. He gives me the name. 
But maybe you better call our Major Hines.
  Then suddenly a lady captain calls me. I will not give her name. She 
says she has been with the Park Department 18 years when I asked her, 
and she said he was lying by the north wheel of the north cannon. It 
turns out that she should not have spoken, because that is not exactly 
true either. But I called Rush Limbaugh and said, Rush, to the whole 
Nation, Guam, Puerto Rico, all the ships at sea, marine expedition 
force ships off the Virginia coast, and now on Armed Services Radio, 
thanks to me, all the way down to the South Pole where I heard Rush 
down--or actually he was starting the Monday after I left the South 
Pole in January.
  So I get Rush. He is a gentleman, and he says I do apologize to the 
park police. I didn't mean to call them Smokey the Bears, but I am 
reading a lot of Chris Ruddy's columns in the New York Post, and it 
looks like there is a lot that can't be cleared up.
  I said Rush, the report should not be bottled up. The family has had 
enough time to adjust to at least the initial agony of having an 
autopsy report released. They can avert their eyes. I said something 
dumb on Rush's show. I said they ought to release all the photographs 
of the crime scene.
  Well, you can never release all the photographs of a crime scene 
until you are absolutely positive there is going to be no legal 
ramifications and you have decided totally it is a suicide.
  However, 3 hours after I spoke to Rush, and here is a mystery that I 
am going to leave for next week, somebody at Justice leaked selectively 
to one privileged selected network, ABC, one photograph of Vince 
Foster's thumb in the trigger guard. The accompanying story says the 
gun was pried off his hand. How could it be? It was just his thumb 
hanging in the trigger guard. I am convinced it was a real photograph.
  Then I read this story in the Daily News, what Limbaugh calls the 
American tabloid war, but he doesn't mean tabloids like flying saucers 
or bringing women dates in for high politicians or two headed wives 
have two headed babies, that kind of garbage. It doesn't even mean 
National Enquirer, which has broken a lot of stories. It means 
newspapers in New York, like the Chicago Sun, which are shaped to be 
read on the subways.

  The Daily News goes back over a century, New York's hometown paper, 
says Vince Foster's suicide report ends rumors. Case closed. By Mike 
McKlary. I haven't spoken to Mike, but I think I will tomorrow or over 
the weekend.
  It says the unfostered D.C. suspicions, aide's suicide is confirmed 
by head's up cops. It is an excellent story.
  It says most of what happened in Fort Marcy Park on July 21 has 
remained secret. The Park Police report has only been reviewed once by 
the Daily News.
  Now, what I want to ask Mike McKlary is why was he hand picked to 
read the report to count. To counter Chris Ruddy? Terrific reporter 
over at the Washington Post. Who is playing these games? Why was ABC 
picked. Because Rick Kaplan stuck his nose into Clinton's life again? 
FOB, Friend of Bill, Renaissance Group companion down in South 
Carolina? Why was ABC singled out for one photograph, and then ran in 
all the papers as it moved on the wires after that?
  No, here is the photograph, credit ABC news. And why was Mike McKlary 
given all this special treatment?
  But if you are going to accept the first part of the story, that it 
was legitimately a suicide, then you have to accept the rest.
  Now, here is the name, I can release one police officer's name 
without hurting him, because it is in this article. It says Peter 
Marklin, that is the man, the sergeant that was told to me was the 
chief investigator, he said Marklin told the reporter that he was asked 
by a furious Nussbaum and a park police investigator captain was 
furious, he said why can't you handle this as a normal case, Nussbaum 
demanded at one point?
  Because this isn't a normal case, said the chief investigator, Peter 
Marklin.
  Why not, Nussbaum said?
  Because if this is normal case, I would have all of the dead guy's 
files an the back of my car, Marklin said.
  No one can say why Vince Foster killed himself. Oh, I think we all 
can. I will tell you that in a minute. Only that he did.
  The coverup? Well, if there was one, it started with Nussbaum. The 
President's lawyer acted like someone with a client who had something 
to hide. He calls it all moronic, the reporter.
  I thought the all should have been arrested for obstruction of 
justice, said one investigator familiar with the suicide.
  And there is one more mystery to decide. There is one small 
triangular shaped piece of the so-called suicide note missing. It is 
about an inch and a half wide on the bottom of the so-called suicide 
note, right-hand part of the paper.
  It is not a part of the main content and nobody is allowed to analyze 
the handwriting, although the say they did and its is Foster's. Why is 
the Wall Street Journal being stiffed and photocopy of the text which 
has been released in every paper in the Nation and all over Europe and 
Hong Kong ever since say August or September.
  It is not part of the main content. It could be a date, the 
investigators believe. They are surmising, I am not. The Park Police 
and FBI investigator still are not sure the note is real. Who tears a 
note into 28 pieces and then throws it in his briefcase for 
safekeeping, and these investigators say they looked in the briefcase, 
there was nothing there, and it turns up in the briefcase 3 days later?
  This is what Judge Bork means about these people are pulling off a 
virtuoso performance of a coverup.
  Now, this story goes on with more tough stuff right to the end. What 
I would like to see is investigators like Mike McKlary of the Daily 
News and Chris Ruddy of the New York Post working together and sharing 
the same reports and the same evidence.
  Here is a letter. Let me see if I was given permission to read this. 
Why not? Police Association of the District of Columbia.
  Dear Congressman Dornan.--This comes from Pennsylvania Avenue, 
Washington, D.C., and the building in the New York area is building 272 
at Floyd Bennett Field.
  I am the chief delegate for the Police Association of D.C,. 
representing the interests of the Members of the United States Park 
Police as well as other Federal law enforcement agencies. This 
correspondence is in reference to the Vince Foster death investigation 
by the United States Park Police.
  Mr. Congressman, I would like to begin by voicing our appreciation 
for the kind words that you spoke on the Rush Limbaugh show on behalf 
of the Park Police. Because of your close ties to Mr. Limbaugh and your 
interest in the case, I thought I should clear up some misinformation 
and express our membership's collective displeasure on the media 
coverage of our investigation.
  You must take into consideration that the investigation remains open 
and is being actively pursued by Mr. Robert Fiske and a Federal grand 
jury. Therefore my comments must remain limited and guarded. However, 
as a union official, I cannot stand by and let our membership and the 
U.S. Park Police become smeared with the graffiti passing as 
investigative journalism in both print and the electronic media.
  Essentially, we contend the following.
  Now, most of America is hearing this for the first time through this 
Member in this great distinguished Chamber on St. Patrick's Day.
  The U.S. Park Police were not assigned the case by White House 
officials, who could easily influence our determinations of cause and 
fact. This was a Park Police investigation simply because it occurred 
on National Park Service property.
  I knew that. I knew that when it happened.
  Simply because under the it came under the full jurisdiction of the 
U.S. Park Police. The chief of the department notified the FBI on the 
following day as soon as he became aware of the potential political 
implications. Vince Foster had left his coat in his car in the small 
Fort Marcy parking lot with his wallet, and when they saw his White 
House ID in there and the car had Arkansas plates, it didn't take a 
rocket scientist to say aha, we have a FOB, possibly a high ranking 
person in the White House. Call the FBI. And they did.
  From that time on at least one FBI and a Justice Department or a 
Justice Department or FBI was present with our investigators throughout 
the entire critical follow-up investigation starting on that second 
day.
  To my knowledge, there was not one instance that either supporting 
agency, FBI or Justice, did not fully agree with the direction of the 
investigation as conducted by the U.S. Park Police investigators.
  To infer that the Park Police could be politically influenced is 
ludicrous. I ask that you question any Member of Congress serving 
during the period of the Wilbur Mills Tidal Basin affair--in the early 
seventies before I got here or you got here, Mr. Speaker--if the Park 
Police can be influenced. I am certain you will recall that Wilbur 
Mills, powerful chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, that is the 
seat that Mr. Rostenkowski has now, he was placed under arrest by a 
U.S. Park Police officer and subsequently lost his entire career over 
the incident.

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  I think he might have survived one election. I do not know. Strange 
voting patterns in Chicago.
  ``Absolutely every action and test that should have been performed 
forensically at the crime scene was professionally completed. Full 
crime scene photographs were taken.''
  I told that to Rush. I believed it, when I was told by a sergeant.
  ``All of the potential physical evidence was identified, collected 
and either processed or held for future processing. As I'm sure you are 
aware,'' and this was a stupid contretemps on the Limbaugh Show the day 
before yesterday. Some guy sounding like an expert called up and said, 
``And Dornan should have known that you can't pick up lead with a metal 
detector.''
  Why does he think people illegally come on the battlefields of 
Gettysburg, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, and Antietam in the dead 
of night with metal detectors trying to pick up lead mini balls. And I 
am sorry Rush did not take him up on this. But this expert says, ``Of 
course, lead is easily detected. One of the heaviest of all metals and 
by our state-of-the-art metal detectors. Interesting he used that term. 
That is what Captain Fernandez used to me, state-of-the-art, when I 
asked her about warehouses of confiscated metal detectors, get one and 
look for the bullet.
  ``And the area in question was fully swept. The autopsy was completed 
with our investigators in attendance. I feel that when the results are 
finally released,'' I hope it is not 2 years, Mr. Fiske, ``it will be 
clear that the conclusions reached by the investigators will be fully 
supported by the forensic evidence, the coroner's report and the 
follow-up investigation. Regrettably, this investigation remains 
confidential pending review by the grand jury and the special 
prosecutor.''
  Now, this gentleman, I better give his name at this point, this 
William G. Stray, S-t-r-a-y, Chief Delegate, New York Field Office of 
the Police Association of the District of Columbia. I wonder why they 
have a New York field office. Yes. They take care of Grant's Tomb and 
other things, I guess, up there.
  What he did not know when he wrote me this letter and faxed it to me, 
he wrote the letter on March 16, was that on March 14, he should have 
known this, the Daily News went with the story. They had been given 
this privileged information. And as they described the story, I have to 
buy it until someone proves otherwise. And that is that Vince Foster 
did sit down, that he was in shirt sleeves, hot July day. And it was on 
an incline not close to either cannon exactly, and that he put the 
bullet, the gun, this 1913 Colt made up of parts from two different 
1913 guns, held it with both hands, one thumb in the trigger grip. And 
you can imagine this father of a beautiful wife and three children 
entering their teen years, where they need him so badly, a man who 
probably never fired a gun, was shaking badly. Put the gun way so far 
inside his mouth there were powder burns on the palate, pulled the 
trigger with the gun at a down angle, and the bullet went through the 
top of his head, the release, killing him instantly. His legs went 
straight. And if he was sitting, they could end up side by side. His 
hands could drop. Odds are one in 20 that the gun would not have flown 
away, but that is all right. One in 20, that is not bad in roulette. 
And his hand dropped down. You see the photograph with the thumb barely 
in the thumb guard, but that takes care of all the mystery surrounding 
where the bullet went all the speculation about the body moved from a 
safe apartment or from a luxury apartment in Boston or this or that, 
all that could be solved by at this point, after a decent interval for 
the family to try, well, they will never overcome this ghastly tragedy, 
but to understand that America must know about its public officials 
that are in the White House but kill themselves over an about-to-
explode scandal, that we could relieve the country of all this agony, 
all this gum beating, if we could just see that official report the way 
the New York News saw it. Because not everybody is going to accept the 
New York News report.

  Now, the representative of the police continues.
  ``How can the U.S. Park Police respond to the accusations made on the 
investigation through the media? Constant misinformation surfaces, 
mostly through the published columns and on the radio,'' and I will 
leave out people's names here, ``and other publications and media 
outlets. These columns contain distortions, incorrect suppositions and 
outright falsehood. When published in the New York Post and repeated on 
the Rush Limbaugh Show, these comments take on a sense of factual 
determination which not only misleads the public but irreparably 
sullies the reputation of the U.S. Park Police on a national level.
  ``Mr. Dornan, how will the U.S. Park Police ever regain the 
outstanding reputation that they deserve?''
  Does that not sound like Ray Donovan in the Reagan Administration: 
``How do I get my reputation back?''
  ``When the reports are released, will Rush Limbaugh spend day after 
day extolling the abilities of the U.S. Park Police investigators''--
yes, Rush is an honest man; he will probably be the only one to do it 
right--``as he has been castigating them based on false information? 
What page will the New York Post publish the true findings and how big 
will the headlines be? When a New York Daily News columnist, Mike 
McAlary, reports that the investigation was thorough, complete and 
professional'' and that all the people should have been arrested for 
obstruction in the White House, he says, why isn't his column given the 
same direction?
  ``Well, Mr. Dornan, I submit that people have clearly demonstrated 
they are not dedicated to review the facts''--I am going to try and 
correct that--``to disseminate the truth to the public. Mr. McAlary did 
an amazing job of uncovering the facts, locating investigators, naming 
names and reporting on his investigation,'' and getting privileged 
treatment, I might add.
  ``In closing, we ask that you forward our concerns to Mr. Limbaugh,'' 
done, ``and ask him to be sensitive to the fact that he is greatly 
contributing to the unwarranted defamation,'' I say unknowingly, 
``unwarranted defamation of the ability of the oldest police department 
in the United States of America.'' 1791.
  ``If I can be of any further assistance,'' fine. I hope I have set 
the record there.
  Now, tomorrow, sometime, I guess, we are going into pro forma 
session, sometime after 11:30, I would guess. I am going to discuss the 
Time article on Hillary, ``Where is the cheering press,'' with Mr. 
Clinton. I saw him cheering out in front of here today. Why these 
multi-millionaires, Barbara Walters, Peter Jennings, Diane Sawyer, 
Koppel, Rather, Chung, Brokaw, why they have not shown true grit on 
this whole story. I am going to put in the MTV Show transcript from 
1992, the special Steve Croft 13 minute abbreviated Sixty Minute Show.
  I am going to put in Ted Koppel's show on Lincoln's birthday, 
February 12. We are going to cover a lot of stuff.
  Let me close on one line. I am going to answer what is as common, 
easy to figure out as anything I have ever seen in my life. I will 
close on this provocative answer.
  Why did Vincent Foster kill himself? Mr. Speaker, Vince Foster killed 
himself because he did not have the courage or the guts to face up to 
this fire storm that he saw coming, and that is a tragedy for his 
family and also a tragedy for America.

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