[Congressional Record Volume 140, Number 27 (Friday, March 11, 1994)]
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APPOINTMENT OF CONFEREES ON H.R. 3345, FEDERAL WORKFORCE RESTRUCTURING 
                              ACT OF 1994

  Mr. CLAY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to take from the 
Speaker's table the bill (H.R. 3345), to provide temporary authority to 
Government agencies relating to voluntary separation incentive 
payments, and for other purposes, with Senate amendments to the House 
amendment to the Senate amendment thereto, to disagree to the Senate 
amendments to the House amendment, and to agree to the conference 
requested by the Senate thereon.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from Missouri?
  There was no objection.


                motion to instruct offered by mr. castle

  Mr. CASTLE. Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion to instruct.
  The Clerk to read as follows:

       Mr. Castle moves that the Managers on the part of the 
     House, at the Conference on the disagreeing votes of the two 
     Houses on the bill (H.R. 3345), be instructed to agree to the 
     amendment of the Senate numbered one, the Gramm amendment 
     creating the Violent Crime Reduction Trust Fund and providing 
     a conforming reduction in the discretionary spending limits.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Delaware [Mr. Castle] 
will be recognized for 30 minutes, and the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. 
Clay] will be recognized for 30 minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Delaware [Mr. Castle].
  Mr. CASTLE. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume, 
and I will be very brief.
  Mr. Speaker, I believe this is an important message that we need to 
understand. I would like to repeat the language of the motion to 
instruct conferees where, in part, we say, ``Be instructed to agree to 
the amendment of the Senate, numbered 1, the Gramm amendment, creating 
the Violent Crime Reduction Trust Fund and providing a conforming 
reduction in the discretionary spending limits.''
  This amendment just passed in the other body this morning by a 90-to-
1 margin. If we do not pass this motion to instruct conferees, the 
savings generated by the buyout provisions in the buyout program could 
be spent virtually on anything.
  Since the House has failed to pass the crime bill, this is necessary. 
If we are serious about addressing the crime problem and funding the 
crime bill, we simply must do this.
  Please note, as was stated in the motion itself, that discretionary 
spending caps will be reduced by the same amount. It is very simple. It 
will take this money and put it into the Violent Crime Reduction Trust 
Fund. I think we are all virtually in agreement that that should be 
funded and this is the best mechanism by which to do that.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. CLAY. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the motion to instruct 
conferees. When this body initially passed H.R. 3345, we also adopted 
an amendment offered by Mr. Penny, Mr. Burton, and Mr. Solomon that 
reduces overall Federal employment by 252,000 positions. This provision 
will reduce overall Federal expenditures by at least $22 billion. It is 
now being proposed that before we even enact those savings we commit to 
spending them. In effect, we are being asked to create a budgetary 
straightjacket in order to fund a trust fund to support a legislative 
initiative that has never been approved or even considered by this 
body. In effect, we are being asked to write a new definition of fiscal 
irresponsibility.

  As passed by the House, H.R. 3345 does not spend one dime of the 
savings created by the reduction of the Federal work force decisions 
will be made as to whether those savings should be committed to deficit 
reduction, to fighting crime, to improving education, and/or to 
protecting the national defense. Those decisions will be made when the 
Congress adopts this year's budget resolution and will be refined later 
in the appropriations bills and future budget resolutions.
  Mr. Speaker, this dispute over the allocation of the savings is 
jeopardizing our ability to ensure that the Government work force is 
reduced in the most humane and cost-effective manner possible, without 
unnecessarily firing Federal employees. Failure to enact this 
legislation will force involuntary separations at a greater cost to the 
taxpayers. The dispute over how to spend the savings will inevitably 
delay and perhaps prevent enactment of the legislation. I urge that the 
motion to instruct conferees be defeated.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. CASTLE. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from 
Florida [Mr. McCollum].
  Mr. McCOLLUM. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, I want to respond to the gentleman on the other side of 
the aisle with respect to the point that we have not addressed the 
crime issue over here, have not created a trust fund, and so forth. The 
point is the time to get this thing reserved is now in the budget 
process. We will not have the money reserved for when we do need it and 
do pass out our bill in a couple of weeks, if we do not have a 
protective device through this budget process. So I think the vote on 
the motion to instruct is very meaningful, very important, very 
straightforward.

                              {time}  1420

  Mr. Speaker, we are going to have the funds necessary to deal with 
the war on crime when we do get around to finishing our part in the 
next couple of weeks. We need to vote for the motion to instruct 
offered by the gentleman from Delaware [Mr. Castle].
  Mr. CASTLE. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  Mr. CLAY. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Moakley). The question is on the motion 
to instruct offered by the gentleman from Delaware [Mr. Castle].
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.


                             recorded vote

  Mr. CASTLE. Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 231, 
noes 150, not voting 52, as follows:

                             [Roll No. 57]

                               AYES--231

     Allard
     Andrews (NJ)
     Archer
     Armey
     Bachus (AL)
     Baker (CA)
     Baker (LA)
     Barca
     Barcia
     Barrett (NE)
     Bartlett
     Bateman
     Bentley
     Bereuter
     Berman
     Bevill
     Bilbray
     Bishop
     Bliley
     Blute
     Boehlert
     Bonilla
     Brewster
     Browder
     Bryant
     Bunning
     Burton
     Buyer
     Calvert
     Camp
     Canady
     Cantwell
     Castle
     Chapman
     Clement
     Clinger
     Coble
     Collins (GA)
     Combest
     Cooper
     Costello
     Cox
     Cramer
     Crapo
     Cunningham
     Danner
     Darden
     de la Garza
     Deal
     DeFazio
     DeLay
     Diaz-Balart
     Dickey
     Doolittle
     Dornan
     Dreier
     Duncan
     Dunn
     Edwards (TX)
     Emerson
     Engel
     English
     Everett
     Ewing
     Fingerhut
     Fish
     Fowler
     Franks (CT)
     Franks (NJ)
     Frost
     Furse
     Gallegly
     Gejdenson
     Gekas
     Geren
     Gilchrest
     Gillmor
     Gingrich
     Glickman
     Goodlatte
     Goodling
     Goss
     Grams
     Grandy
     Greenwood
     Gunderson
     Hall (TX)
     Hancock
     Hansen
     Harman
     Hastert
     Hefley
     Herger
     Hobson
     Hoekstra
     Hoke
     Horn
     Houghton
     Huffington
     Hughes
     Hunter
     Hutchinson
     Hutto
     Hyde
     Inglis
     Inhofe
     Istook
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson, Sam
     Kaptur
     Kasich
     Kennelly
     Kim
     King
     Klein
     Klug
     Knollenberg
     Kolbe
     Kyl
     Lambert
     Lancaster
     LaRocco
     Lazio
     Leach
     Lehman
     Levin
     Levy
     Lewis (FL)
     Linder
     Livingston
     Lowey
     Machtley
     Maloney
     Manzullo
     McCandless
     McCollum
     McCrery
     McCurdy
     McDade
     McHale
     McHugh
     McInnis
     McKeon
     Meyers
     Mica
     Michel
     Molinari
     Mollohan
     Montgomery
     Moorhead
     Neal (NC)
     Nussle
     Oxley
     Packard
     Pallone
     Parker
     Paxon
     Payne (VA)
     Peterson (FL)
     Peterson (MN)
     Petri
     Pickle
     Pombo
     Pomeroy
     Porter
     Portman
     Poshard
     Pryce (OH)
     Quinn
     Rahall
     Ramstad
     Ravenel
     Reed
     Regula
     Ridge
     Roberts
     Roemer
     Rogers
     Rohrabacher
     Ros-Lehtinen
     Roth
     Roukema
     Royce
     Sangmeister
     Santorum
     Sarpalius
     Saxton
     Schaefer
     Schenk
     Schiff
     Schumer
     Sensenbrenner
     Shepherd
     Shuster
     Skeen
     Skelton
     Smith (IA)
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (OR)
     Smith (TX)
     Snowe
     Spence
     Spratt
     Stearns
     Stenholm
     Stump
     Stupak
     Talent
     Tanner
     Tauzin
     Taylor (MS)
     Thomas (CA)
     Thomas (WY)
     Torkildsen
     Torricelli
     Traficant
     Valentine
     Vucanovich
     Walker
     Walsh
     Waxman
     Weldon
     Whitten
     Wilson
     Wise
     Wyden
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)
     Zeliff
     Zimmer

                               NOES--150

     Ackerman
     Andrews (ME)
     Applegate
     Bacchus (FL)
     Baesler
     Barlow
     Barrett (WI)
     Becerra
     Beilenson
     Blackwell
     Bonior
     Borski
     Boucher
     Brown (CA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Byrne
     Cardin
     Carr
     Clay
     Clayton
     Clyburn
     Coleman
     Collins (MI)
     Condit
     Conyers
     Coppersmith
     Coyne
     DeLauro
     Dellums
     Deutsch
     Dicks
     Dingell
     Dixon
     Durbin
     Edwards (CA)
     Ehlers
     Eshoo
     Evans
     Farr
     Fawell
     Fazio
     Fields (LA)
     Filner
     Flake
     Foglietta
     Ford (MI)
     Frank (MA)
     Gephardt
     Gilman
     Gonzalez
     Gordon
     Hall (OH)
     Hamburg
     Hamilton
     Hefner
     Hilliard
     Hinchey
     Hoagland
     Hochbrueckner
     Holden
     Hoyer
     Inslee
     Jacobs
     Jefferson
     Johnson (SD)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Johnston
     Kanjorski
     Kennedy
     Kildee
     Kleczka
     Klink
     Kreidler
     Lantos
     Laughlin
     Lewis (GA)
     Long
     Mann
     Manton
     Margolies-Mezvinsky
     Markey
     Martinez
     Matsui
     Mazzoli
     McCloskey
     McDermott
     McKinney
     Meek
     Menendez
     Mfume
     Mineta
     Minge
     Mink
     Moakley
     Moran
     Morella
     Murphy
     Myers
     Nadler
     Neal (MA)
     Oberstar
     Obey
     Olver
     Ortiz
     Pastor
     Payne (NJ)
     Penny
     Pickett
     Price (NC)
     Rangel
     Richardson
     Roybal-Allard
     Rush
     Sabo
     Sanders
     Sawyer
     Schroeder
     Scott
     Serrano
     Sharp
     Shays
     Slaughter
     Stark
     Stokes
     Strickland
     Studds
     Swett
     Swift
     Synar
     Tejeda
     Thompson
     Thornton
     Thurman
     Torres
     Tucker
     Unsoeld
     Upton
     Velazquez
     Vento
     Visclosky
     Volkmer
     Washington
     Waters
     Wheat
     Williams
     Wolf
     Woolsey
     Wynn
     Yates

                             NOT VOTING--52

     Abercrombie
     Andrews (TX)
     Ballenger
     Barton
     Bilirakis
     Boehner
     Brooks
     Callahan
     Collins (IL)
     Crane
     Derrick
     Dooley
     Fields (TX)
     Ford (TN)
     Gallo
     Gibbons
     Green
     Gutierrez
     Hastings
     Hayes
     Johnson (GA)
     Kingston
     Kopetski
     LaFalce
     Lewis (CA)
     Lightfoot
     Lipinski
     Lloyd
     McMillan
     McNulty
     Meehan
     Miller (CA)
     Miller (FL)
     Murtha
     Natcher
     Orton
     Owens
     Pelosi
     Quillen
     Reynolds
     Rose
     Rostenkowski
     Rowland
     Shaw
     Sisisky
     Skaggs
     Slattery
     Solomon
     Sundquist
     Taylor (NC)
     Towns
     Watt

                              {time}  1440

  The Clerk announced the following pair:

       Mr. Bilirakis for, with Mr. Meehan against.

  Messrs. FAWELL, MARKEY, and HOAGLAND changed their vote from ``aye'' 
to ``no.''
  Messrs. BEVILL, BROWDER, POMEROY, and BISHOP changed their vote from 
``no'' to ``aye.''
  So the motion to instruct was agreed to.
  The result of the vote was announed as above recorded.
  A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Johnson of South Dakota). Without 
objection the Chair appoints the following conferees:
  From the Committee on Post Office and Civil Service for consideration 
of the Senate amendments to the House amendment, and modifications 
committed to conference: Mr. Clay, Mr. McCloskey, Ms. Norton, Mr. Myers 
of Indiana, and Mrs. Morella.
  From the Committee on the Judiciary, for consideration of Senate 
amendment numbered 1 and modifications committed to conference: Messrs. 
Brooks,  Schumer, and Sensenbrenner.
  From the Committee on Government Operations, for consideration of 
Senate amendment numbered 1 and modifications committed to conference: 
Messrs. Conyers, Towns, and Clinger.
  From the Committee on Rules, for consideration of Senate amendment 
numbered 1 and modifications committed to conference: Messrs. Derrick, 
Beilenson, and Solomon.
  There was no objection.

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