[Senate Hearing 119-483]
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                                                       S. Hrg. 119-483

                     POISONED PILLS: THE HUMAN COST
                       OF DANGEROUS FOREIGN DRUGS
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                                HEARING

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                       SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON AGING

                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS


                             SECOND SESSION

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                             WASHINGTON, DC

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                              JUNE 3, 2026

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                       SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON AGING

                     RICK SCOTT, Florida, Chairman

DAVE McCORMICK, Pennsylvania         KIRSTEN E. GILLIBRAND, New York
JIM JUSTICE, West Virginia           ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts
TOMMY TUBERVILLE, Alabama            MARK KELLY, Arizona
RON JOHNSON, Wisconsin               RAPHAEL WARNOCK, Georgia
ASHLEY MOODY, Florida                ANDY KIM, New Jersey
JON HUSTED, Ohio                     ANGELA ALSOBROOKS, Maryland
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                McKinley Lewis, Majority Staff Director
                Claire Descamps, Minority Staff Director
                         
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Opening Statement of Senator Rick Scott, Chairman................     1
Opening Statement of Senator Kirsten E. Gillibrand, Ranking 
  Member.........................................................     3

                           PANEL OF WITNESSES

Lisa Salberg, Founder and CEO, Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy 
  Association, Denville, New Jersey..............................     4
Adam Clark-Joseph, Ph.D, Chief Analytics Officer and Co-Founder, 
  Valisure, New Haven, Connecticut...............................     7
Suzanne de La Monte, MD, MPH, Professor and Vice Chair of 
  Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Alpert Medical School of 
  Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island.....................     9
Dinesh Thakur, Public Health Activist, St. Petersburg, Florida...    10

                                APPENDIX
                      Prepared Witness Statements

Lisa Salberg, Founder and CEO, Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy 
  Association, Denville, New Jersey..............................    28
Adam Clark-Joseph, Ph.D, Chief Analytics Officer and Co-Founder, 
  Valisure, New Haven, Connecticut...............................    40
Suzanne de La Monte, MD, MPH, Professor and Vice Chair of 
  Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Alpert Medical School of 
  Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island.....................    77
Dinesh Thakur, Public Health Activist, St. Petersburg, Florida...    82

                        Questions for the Record

Adam Clark-Joseph, Ph.D, Chief Analytics Officer and Co-Founder, 
  Valisure, New Haven, Connecticut...............................    95
Dinesh Thakur, Public Health Activist, St. Petersburg, Florida...    97

                       Statements for the Record

Association for Accessible Medicines Statement...................   100
Peter C. Butler, M.D., Statement.................................   107
Taxpayers Protection Alliance Statement..........................   109

 
                     POISONED PILLS: THE HUMAN COST
                       OF DANGEROUS FOREIGN DRUGS

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                        Wednesday, June 3, 2026

                                        U.S. Senate
                                 Special Committee on Aging
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 3:29 p.m., Room 
216, Hart Senate Office Building, Hon. Rick Scott, Chairman of 
the Committee, presiding.
    Present: Senator Scott, McCormick, Tuberville, Gillibrand, 
and Alsobrooks.

                 OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR 
                      RICK SCOTT, CHAIRMAN

    The Chairman. Thank you. The U.S. Senate Special Committee 
on Aging will now come to order. This country has a big drug 
problem, and it is not the one most people are thinking about 
when they say it. America's drug supply is not secured, and 
American patients are in danger as a result.
    Congress needs to do everything it can to change that. 
Ninety-one percent of prescriptions in the United States are 
for generic drugs, and many older Americans will rely on one or 
more medications to lead healthy and happy lives. This 
Congress, I have worked closely with Ranking Member Gillibrand 
to push the Federal Government to do everything it can to 
ensure older Americans have access to safe and high-quality 
drugs.
    We sent letters to the Secretaries of HHS, the Department 
of War, and the VA about our reliance on Communist China and 
India for generic drugs. We sent a letter to the FDA asking 
about foreign inspections and the quality of drugs coming into 
our country. We also wrote letters to group purchasing 
organizations, distributors, and pharmacies asking where they 
source their drugs and the information they have about low-
quality foreign generics.
    Last year, this Committee held three hearings on the 
quality of the medication's seniors rely on. First, we held a 
hearing on the quality problems with foreign generics and our 
reliance on Communist China and India for drugs.
    We followed that up with a hearing on solutions on how to 
bring drug manufacturing back to the United States. Then we 
heard from American drug manufacturers on the problems they 
face and what the Federal Government can do to help them. This 
January, we held a hearing where I was proud to announce the 
CLEAR LABELS Act with ranking member Gillibrand, a bipartisan 
bill that would require manufacturers to disclose where the 
drug and drug ingredients, or API, are manufactured.
    You know where your car is made, where the food you eat is 
from, but you don't know where the medications you or a loved 
one takes comes from. That doesn't make any sense. I encourage 
all members of this Committee to co-sponsor this bill so that 
all Americans can know where their medications are 
manufactured.
    At our last hearing on generic drugs in March, we brought 
in experts on Communist China to discuss how our over-reliance 
on foreign drugs was no accident, but a very deliberate policy 
by the CCP and also Washington politicians choosing profits 
over patients. Today, we want to focus on the real Americans 
that these low-quality foreign drugs are harming.
    A researcher from Indiana University testified before this 
Committee that generic drugs made in India have 54 percent more 
serious adverse events than equivalent drugs made the U.S., 
including hospitalization, disability, and death.
    That means American patients and their family members 
taking medications to manage health conditions or recover from 
illnesses or procedures are ending up in the hospital, 
potentially even dying. This should never happen in our 
country, but it has been going on for decades. In 2008, 
contaminated heparin from Communist China killed nearly 100 
Americans. This was a lifesaving blood thinner medication that 
these people needed, and it killed them.
    Leroy Hubley lost his wife of 48 years, Bonnie, and his 
son, Randy, because of contaminated heparin from Communist 
China. They relied on this medication for their dialysis 
treatment they were undergoing due to a genetic kidney disease, 
and it killed them. Those drugs never should have been made 
into our country, but these are sadly too many--there are sadly 
too many such stories.
    In 2023 contaminated eye drops from India killed four 
people and blinded 14 others. This cannot keep happening. As 
long as we are not regularly testing drugs coming from 
Communist of China and India, and lag behind in foreign 
inspections, poor quality drugs from these countries will keep 
coming into America. Under the current framework, we simply 
cannot rely on the drugs coming from Communist China and India 
to be the same quality as drugs made right here in America.
    It has been almost two decades since the heparin incident, 
and we are even more reliant on Communist China and India for 
our medications than we were then. The bottom line is foreign 
manufacturers are not being held to the same standards as 
domestic manufacturers. This lets bad actors cut corners. When 
it comes to patient safety, patients' lives are on the line.
    Here in the U.S., the FDA doesn't announce when it goes to 
inspect a manufacturing facility, but overseas, in Communist 
China and India, the majority of inspections are pre-announced 
so they can cleanup any problems they have got. While I support 
the FDA's efforts to increase unannounced foreign inspections, 
inspections alone can't solve this problem.
    The problem is the FDA relies on manufacturers to submit 
data on an honor system. Foreign manufacturers know this, and 
bad actors are taking advantage of gaps in the FDA's oversight. 
We saw this in 2013 when Ranbaxy settled with the Department of 
Justice for $500 million for falsifying data and systemic 
violations of FDA good manufacturing practices.
    The FDA cannot trust foreign manufacturers that have a 
financial incentive to cut corners on quality to be honest 
brokers. Congress needs to look at solutions to systemic gaps 
in the FDA's ability to conduct oversight of foreign 
manufacturers. The FDA considers all approved generics to be 
equivalent, but data shows us this is not the case. This is why 
testing drugs for quality is so, so important.
    In our hearing in March, ChinaRx author, Rosemary Gibson 
testified about the Department of War's testing of generic 
drugs. What they have found so far is shocking. Of 13 medicines 
tested, 15 percent were found to have serious manufacturing 
defects, including containing toxins and carcinogens, and not 
dissolving properly. These stories of bad quality drugs coming 
from Communist China and India aren't isolated incidents. The 
problem is systemic.
    The Federal Government needs to do everything we can to 
make the drugs that Americans and seniors rely on here in 
America and bring manufacturing back here. Put simply, a 
country that cannot provide itself--cannot provide for itself 
cannot, protect itself, and it cannot remain safe, strong, and 
prosperous in the long run. America is too great a country to 
be as vulnerable as we are on this matter.
    When American manufacturing is not an option, we must turn 
to our affiliate or to our allied nations with proven testing 
standards, not adversaries and bad actors who cut corners at 
the expense of American lives. I hope that in today's hearing 
we can draw attention to the people and their family members 
who have been affected by these poor quality foreign drugs.
    We have a great witness panel here today who are advocates 
for transparency and patient safety and can speak to these 
longstanding quality issues with foreign generics. Now, I would 
like to turn it over to Ranking Member Gillibrand for her 
opening statement.

                 OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR 
             KIRSTEN E. GILLIBRAND, RANKING MEMBER

    Senator Gillibrand. Thank you, Chairman Scott. Thank you 
for calling today's hearing. Welcome to all our witnesses. I am 
very grateful to meet you and excited to hear your testimony. I 
am looking forward to continuing this conversation on how we 
can improve the quality and reliability of our generic drug 
supply chain. As we have heard from our previous hearings, 
these supply chains are vulnerable to disruption.
    With decreased domestic manufacturing, we are putting 
ourselves in an increasingly perilous position. Underlying 
market factors in the United States have led to a race to the 
bottom where incentives for manufacturers are solely based on 
cost, not quality.
    While almost all generic drugs that Americans take are 
safe, Congress must empower the FDA to conduct rigorous 
oversight to make sure foreign manufacturers comply with our 
safety standards.
    Congress must also work with industry to move away from 
costs being the only factors in purchasing. We must incentivize 
manufacturers and purchasers to consider quality when they are 
sourcing active pharmaceutical ingredients and final dose 
foreign medicines. We must expand testing of these drugs and 
ingredients too.
    There have been many recommendations made before this 
Committee on how to ensure the drugs that enter the U.S. market 
are high quality. This includes legislation, like our 
bipartisan CLEAR LABELS Act, or proposals to expand supply 
chain mapping.
    I am thrilled that there is so much bipartisan excitement 
around strengthening our generic pharmaceutical supply, and I 
look forward to working with Chairman Scott and other members 
of this Committee to solve these evergreen problems. Thank you.
    The Chairman. I want to thank Ranking Member Gillibrand for 
her bipartisan support of efforts to change our drug supply 
chain in this country. Our witness panel has firsthand 
experience in their personal and professional lives with the 
low quality genetics that are harming everyday Americans.
    I would like to thank them for being here today to discuss 
their experiences and how we can stop substandard foreign drugs 
from entering the U.S. market. Lisa Salberg is the founder of 
HCMA and has spent decades advocating for patients with her 
rare heart condition. She knows firsthand what is at stake when 
drug quality fails. Living with a transplanted heart, she 
depends on her medication to survive.
    When she was switched to a substandard generic that was 
ineffective, it nearly cost her her life. Thankfully she was 
able to figure it out--figure out it was the medication causing 
her decline in health before it was too late.
    Now she is an advocate, a strong advocate for drug quality 
and transparency. I want to thank you for being here today, and 
please tell your story.

          STATEMENT OF LISA SALBERG, FOUNDER AND CEO,

            HYPERTROPHIC CARDIOMYOPATHY ASSOCIATION,

                      DENVILLE, NEW JERSEY

    Ms. Salberg. Thank you, Chairman Scott, and Ranking Member 
Gillibrand, and distinguished members of the Committee for this 
opportunity to address you today. My name is Lisa Salberg, and 
I literally come to you with my heart in my hands. This is my 
literal physical heart that has been explanted.
    I bet that is a first. I am asking for your help to protect 
lives of patients like me who depend on generic medication 
every day. We think we are saving money, but we may be adding 
to the financial health burden of our Nation in ways yet 
unmeasured.
    I was born and raised in Rockaway Township, New Jersey, and 
I was diagnosed in middle school in 1980 with hypertrophic 
cardiomyopathy, a genetic heart muscle disease that runs in my 
family and through generations. It has claimed many lives far 
too soon, including my sister.
    My personal medical history includes two pacemakers, five 
implantable defibrillators, and a lifetime of cardiac 
medication. I had a stroke in 1990. I am partially blind in one 
eye. I have had progressive heart failure, and then in 2017, I 
got a transplant. It was on Groundhog's Day that I received a 
donor heart from a woman named Brandy, and we are a beautiful 
match.
    We are perfect together. She has helped me regain nearly 
perfect health--health I am fighting now to protect. In 1995, 
after I lost my sister, I founded the Hypotrophic 
Cardiomyopathy Association, a non-profit that has served over 
20,000 families worldwide, and HCMA has developed 62 centers of 
excellence across the Nation's most prestigious academic and 
health communities in the country.
    We have aided in drug discovery, advanced diagnostics, and 
we have connected over half a million patients with the right 
doctors. I have published over 20 peer-reviewed journal 
articles, I have written three books. I am not a physician. I 
am a patient advocate. I am here because the system is failing 
people like me.
    My first experience with generic drugs, we will talk about 
in just a second. What I thought was a personal anomaly has 
revealed itself to be a systematic failure with life-
threatening consequences for patients nationwide. My experience 
isn't unique. It is a pattern.
    First time was 1996. I was taking beta blockers to manage 
my heart rate. A generic beta blocker replaced my name brand, 
and after two doses, my heartrate wasn't coming down. I went 
back to the brand name and thought this was a me thing. Years 
later, my dear friend, Dr. Harry Lever from the Cleveland 
Clinic had heard a news report and said, Lisa, we need to talk.
    I think I know why we are having these problems with our 
patients having erratic responses to their blood pressures. 
Guess what? It wasn't a me thing. It is a "we" thing. In 2017, 
I get my transplant. I am going to be prescribed tacrolimus, 
brand name PROGRAF. It is to prevent rejection.
    My insurance was not covering a name brand, forcing me to 
generics and some tricky territory. Tacrolimus is managed by 
monitoring your levels. If you go too high, you burn out your 
kidneys and other things. If you got too low, you risk 
rejection. My target is 6.5 to 7.5.
    I remained on one manufacturer as best I could, but 
shortages, and eventually that one was taken off the market. 
Knowing the variables, I take my very fragile veins through a 
lot of draws for blood and a lot of expense in that as well, 
and sometimes I have to get more than one blood draw a month to 
make sure my levels are okay.
    Sometimes it was coming in too high, 9.9. You shake when it 
goes too high. When it came in at 3.9 and it is too low and I 
am open to rejection, there are no symptoms. You are just open 
to rejection. Now I pay $120 a month per dose of my name brand 
PROGRAF because I can't trust generics.
    My life literally depends upon it. Across the HCMA network 
and beyond, patients report to me daily emergency room visits, 
missed work, deteriorating health. We do the work, and we find 
that they have changed their manufacturer of a drug and let's 
go back to the other one and see how you are feeling. There is 
no accountability, no transparency, and no recourse for 
patients in these situations.
    We should mention that 85 percent of our generic drugs come 
into this country through three different providers or 
purchasers. What do we do to fix it? Well, I am going to urge 
all of you to pursue concrete codified reforms, not voluntary 
guidelines, to modernize our generic drug system, and to hold 
purchasers and manufacturers and decisionmakers accountable.
    The base of all this is Hatch-Waxman. We got to go back and 
fix it. We need to make sure that ANDAs not only require 
meeting bio equivalents, but dissolution rates. That has been 
the problem in all of my drugs, the dissolution rate is wrong. 
We need to inspect every batch of medication brought into the 
United States before it hits anybody's system.
    We cannot send red labeled drugs out to patients. We need 
to use independent laboratory testing--the red, yellow, green 
that you guys have heard a lot about over these past few 
meetings. The system works and we should be doing this more 
transparently. I would hope that the FDA would publicly manage 
a website where all those test results could be made public.
    Anything red goes back to the manufacturer or destroyed at 
their expense, and we do not allow anybody to take red 
medication. We need to get the FDA control to refuse low-
quality drugs from entering the United States and hold bad 
actors accountable the first time, not after decades.
    I support bipartisan legislation like the Transparency and 
Quality Pharmaceutical Act that may be coming from McCormick 
and DeLauro. I will let my friends explain that one. I applaud 
you on the clear label act. However, I think we need to pair it 
with payer level reform so patients can actually take action on 
the information on the label rather than just being stuck in 
the lowest formulary.
    Good actors should--if they get green scores, good actors 
shouldn't be burdened with extra reviews. Poor quality 
manufacturers must be held responsible for the financial 
burden, the product, the destruction, and the liability for 
downstream health expenses caused by their drugs.
    Last, I will state that I agree with Drs. Kellermann and 
Schulman in their recent New England Journal article when they 
said, "the FDA should stop claiming that all generic drugs sold 
in the United States are equally safe and effective. It cannot 
verify that without product testing." Thank you very much for 
the time, and I am happy to take any questions.
    The Chairman. Now, I will recognize Ranking Member 
Gillibrand for the next witness.
    Senator Gillibrand. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to 
introduce our next witness, Dr. Adam Clark-Joseph. Dr. Clark-
Joseph is a Chief Analytics Officer and Co-Founder of Valisure, 
a technology company working to address a critical gap in the 
pharmaceutical supply chain through independent quality 
assurance.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph was driven to founding Valisure by his 
personal experience with significant complications arising from 
batch variability in his anticonvulsant medication. Dr. Clark-
Joseph utilizes his expertise as a digital chemist to employ 
big data and machine learning for enhancing transparency in the 
pharmaceutical supply chain. You may begin.

           STATEMENT OF ADAM CLARK-JOSEPH, PHD, CHIEF

          ANALYTICS OFFICER AND CO-FOUNDER, VALISURE,

                     NEW HAVEN, CONNECTICUT

    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Ranking Member Gillibrand, Chairman 
Scott, members of the Committee, thank you for the honor of 
speaking before you today.
    I have taken medicine for depression for most of my adult 
life. I first encountered a bad batch of medicine when I was 
25. After a refill, I suddenly fell ill, and after my doctor 
identified the problem, he told me that sometimes you just get 
a bad batch.
    At twenty-seven, it happened again, and I became ill for 
months. Then at twenty-nine, after yet another incident, I used 
my chemistry background and some equipment in my home to test 
my pills myself, and I discovered that they were massively 
underdosed, so that was the last straw for me.
    I reached out to my longtime friend and scientist, David 
Light, and together we founded Valisure, America's first 
laboratory dedicated to independently testing and certifying 
on-market drug products.
    We started Valisure to address drug quality problems, but 
we didn't initially realize the full scope and severity of 
these problems. Within a few years, our findings led to recalls 
of more than 25 million pharmacy products worth over nine 
billion. We began testing the blockbuster drug Zantac because 
my infant daughter had just been prescribed the liquid form. 
Our discovery of the drug's instability sparked its global 
withdrawal.
    Our later work drove rolling recalls of sunscreens and hand 
sanitizers, as well as dozens of national recalls of multiple 
drugs due to the presence of various carcinogenic contaminants. 
Why is this shocking problem of low-quality drugs in America so 
under-recognized? Bluntly, it is because for 40 years, the 
former FDA drug leadership has claimed to everyone that all 
approved drugs are equivalent in quality.
    This demonstrably false narrative created a market that 
competes only on price, which incentivizes cost-cutting, 
overseas manufacturing, and products being made just good 
enough to minimize regulatory scrutiny, all in the near 
complete absence of independent testing.
    When you buy a car, do you just want the cheapest one in 
its class that claims to be legal to drive on the road? Of 
course not, yet this is essentially how we are forced to buy 
drugs in America. Recently, the New England Journal of Medicine 
published an article, which Ms. Salberg referenced, titled, 
"Substandard Generic Drugs, Threats to Patient Safety and 
National Security."
    Its very first recommendation was that the FDA should stop 
claiming that all generic drugs sold in the United States are 
equally safe and effective. Once we acknowledge that not all 
generics were created equal, we can end the race to the bottom 
and begin fostering a race to the top.
    The FDA currently has a "closer to zero" program for 
contaminants like lead in baby food. Clearly, the same should 
apply to medications. If one manufacturer's product contains 
far lower contaminant levels than another's, then all else 
being equal, shouldn't we prefer the objectively cleaner 
product, even if neither are so bad that they break the law? In 
pursuit of exactly this end, the military, via the Uniformed 
Services University, began a project with Valisure a few years 
ago to independently test essential medicines and assign 
quality risk scores to classify suppliers as red, yellow, or 
green.
    By translating complex chemistry into these simple red, 
yellow, green quality risk designations, procurement decisions 
can easily favor objectively higher quality manufacturers and 
avoid lower quality ones. Incidentally, tacrolimus, which you 
just heard about from Ms. Salberg, is on the military's 
essential medicines list, and we found generics that rated red 
because the pills dissolved too quickly.
    Notably, the FDA received so many complaints that after 11 
years, it completed a clinical study and concluded a lack of 
bioequivalence to the brand. Our independent chemical testing 
effectively reached the same conclusion in weeks rather than 
years and identified the root cause mechanism.
    More broadly, testing across 25 drugs and 359 suppliers has 
already shown that 72 percent of suppliers scored green, while 
15 percent scored red. There was no correlation between price 
and quality. Also, on average, higher contaminant levels were 
found in certain drugs manufactured in India and China than in 
the same drugs made in the U.S. Simply buying green and 
avoiding red could be transformational for incentivizing 
quality and American made medicine.
    It could also save billions of dollars and thousands of 
lives. This is not just a theoretical concept. Kaiser 
Permanente, which like both the military and the VA, represents 
several percent of the U.S. pharmaceutical market, already 
requires independent testing of certain generic drugs that it 
procures, and has been doing so for years. We know this works, 
and it works at scale.
    Representatives Rich McCormick and Rosa DeLauro will be 
introducing the Bipartisan Transparency and Quality in 
Pharmaceuticals Act to incorporate the USU's chemical quality 
metrics and also independently derived manufacturing location 
metrics into military drug procurement. They are also working 
to include this bill in the NDAA and provide funding in the 
Fiscal Year 2027 Defense Appropriations Bill.
    We respectfully ask that this Committee support this 
legislation. It is our one singular recommendation, because 
after over a decade of researching the problem, we strongly 
believe that this is the most impactful solution available. 
Thank you again for your engagement on this critical issue and 
for allowing me to share my story.
    The Chairman. Thank you. Now I would like to introduce Dr. 
Suzanne de la Monte, Vice Chair of Pathology and Laboratory 
Medicine at Brown University's Albert Medical School. She has 
conducted extensive research on exposure to contaminants in 
food and medicine, and potential health implications for 
patients.
    Her work helps us understand the real biological 
consequences of what happens when Americans unknowingly consume 
drugs with manufacturing defects, toxins, and carcinogens. 
Thank you for being here. Please begin your testimony.

           STATEMENT OF SUZANNE DE LA MONTE, MD, MPH,

             PROFESSOR AND VICE CHAIR OF PATHOLOGY

            AND LABORATORY MEDICINE, ALPERT MEDICAL

                  SCHOOL OF BROWN UNIVERSITY,

                    PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND

    Dr. de La Monte. Chairman Scott, Ranking Member Gillibrand, 
and committee members, thank you for this opportunity to 
participate in these hearings on drugs safety, supply chains, 
and risk to aging Americans. I am a physician scientist who 
studies mechanisms of aging related chronic diseases, 
particularly those that damage the brain and cause insulin 
resistance like diabetes, obesity, and dementia.
    My educational and academic backgrounds have equipped me to 
conduct such research, understand their societal impact, and 
experimentally demonstrate how the toxins' exposures cause 
chronic disease states that are currently epidemic and 
particularly afflict seniors. In contrast to messaging designed 
to pin these problems on genes, in fact, the decade over decade 
increases in chronic disease rates mirror the effects of 
exposures rather than aging genetics per se.
    What could possibly be the culprit? Convergent factors 
including several of the testimoneys highlighting significant 
quality concerns about generic medications manufactured in 
foreign countries drew my attention to this Committee. Prior to 
that, I had already begun to investigate the potential cause of 
several insulin resistant diseases in a person I will refer to 
as Sam.
    Sam was previously healthy, gainfully employed, and 
productive. His only medical problem was hypertension. However, 
after taking two years of a prescribed generic antihypertensive 
medication, Sam developed type 2 diabetes, obesity, muscle 
weakness, and metabolic problems.
    His symptoms worsened, his cell status progressively 
deteriorated, rendering him chronically ill and virtually 
incapable of caring for himself or his disabled child. Deep 
dives into Sam's new unexpected complex illnesses led to 
evidence that he had been chronically exposed to toxic levels 
of nitrosamines present in his prescribed antihypertensive 
medication.
    My expertise includes research in non-cancer causes of 
toxic effects of nitrosamines. We know that chronic low dose 
exposures can cause insulin resistant diseases, diabetes, 
obesity, dementia. Sam's blood work, and eventually records 
released from the pharmacy, confirmed that his nitrosamine 
exposures had occurred via contaminated lots of his medication.
    Sam's now debilitating chronic disease state mirrors what 
we have observed in experimental models and in humans exposed 
to nitrosamines from various sources, including dietary and 
medicinal. How many people were exposed and developed these 
serious side effects, we don't know.
    Unfortunately, despite an FDA recall early in 2025, 
contaminated lots of the index medicine continue to be sold in 
the United States. Sam, unaware of the recall, took the 
medication as prescribed.
    Nitrosamine contamination of drugs is an old story in 
pharmaceutical industry, but the problem is managed or 
eliminated by standardized clean manufacturing protocols, 
extensive monitoring, end product testing, and quality control. 
Nitrosamine contamination is just one example of how lax 
regulatory oversight in generic drug manufacturing can have 
devastating effects on health. Problems concerning unsafe drug 
manufacturing disproportionately impact seniors in part because 
they are victims of polypharmacy.
    More than 40 percent of Americans who are over 65 take five 
prescribed medications a day, and between 10 percent and 20 
percent take 10 or more per day. Healthcare providers often 
prescribe additional drugs to combat the side effects of the 
targeted therapeutics.
    However, side effects from those drugs add even more 
prescriptions. Matters are worsened by many non-prescription 
generic medications used by seniors. More drugs mean increased 
risk for adverse events like toxin contamination exposure. 
Growing concerns about generic drugs originating in foreign 
countries, particularly China and India, and that were widely 
sold at attractive, possibly unrealistically low prices in the 
United States stem from unacceptable manufacturing conditions 
and lax oversight on quality, safety, and efficacy.
    These problems threaten the health and welfare of 
consumers, particularly seniors. Circling back to our extreme 
reliance on cheaper, but concerning quality generics, the year 
over year soaring prevalence rates of chronic diseases, 
including diabetes and dementia, parallel the rate shifts in 
overseas, poorly regulated generic drug manufacturing, coupled 
with polypharmacy.
    Sadly, this cascade is driven by financial gains yet makes 
no sense to spend lavish amounts of money on so many medicines 
that make so many seniors sicker and sicker with chronic 
diseases. Thank you.
    The Chairman. Thank you for your testimony. Next, we have 
Dinesh Thakur, he is a public health advocate who put 
everything on the line as a whistleblower against Indian 
manufacturer Ranbaxy, exposing systemic violations of FDA 
manufacturing standards that resulted in a $500 million 
settlement with the DOJ.
    Now he advocates for drug quality, stronger FDA oversight, 
and holding foreign manufacturers accountable who cut corners 
at the expense of American patients. He is a proud Floridian. 
Thank you for being here. Please begin your testimony.

           STATEMENT OF DINESH THAKUR, PUBLIC HEALTH
               ACTIVIST, ST. PETERSBURG, FLORIDA

    Mr. Thakur. Thank you. Chairman Scott, Ranking Member 
Gillibrand, and distinguished members of this Committee, I 
thank you for convening this hearing on this topic that impacts 
all of us.
    My background and training is documented in my statement. I 
was a whistleblower in the prosecution of a generic drug 
company by the U.S. DOJ in May 2013, where that Indian company 
pled guilty to seven counts of criminal felony and agreed to 
pay half a billion dollars in fines to the U.S. Government.
    While I have presented my analysis and made substantive 
recommendations in my written statement, which I have submitted 
to this Committee, I beg your indulgence now. Let me provide 
you a few concrete examples of the issues that I referenced in 
my statement. We intentionally picked these examples that are 
not technical. I have a whole stack of these investigation 
reports here which I am more than happy to hand it over to the 
Committee today.
    Let me give an example of a company called IPCA 
Laboratories, an Indian generic manufacturer that makes and 
sells metoprolol tartrate and furosemide beta blocker, and a 
diuretic in our market here in the United States. Let me walk 
through the chronology of how we have held this company to 
account for its fraudulent behavior over the last 16 years.
    In 2014, based on an inspection report on Form 483, USFDA 
Inspectors Peter Baker and Joanne King, this is what they said, 
the company was manipulating test results so that they could 
pass the inspections by playing with instruments in their 
controls. Backdating results. The report says integration 
parameters are manipulated in order to achieve passing results. 
Raw data files have been manipulated, deleted from the system. 
In October 2014, USFDA Inspectors Peter Baker and Dipesh Shah 
had similar observations in their inspection reports.
    They spoke about attempts to hide results from review, 
overwriting raw data files, original reports--results not being 
reported, and partially shredding documents. The USFDA went 
back to do followup inspections five years later, in August 
2019. Inspectors Arsen Karapetyan and Patrick Upadhyay said in 
their report, which I have a copy here, it says that a cascade 
of failures in your quality control responsibilities, missing 
raw data. Repeat analysis by preparing fresh samples when the 
original testing failed.
    The USFDA conducted another inspection in 2023, led by 
Investigators Rajiv Srivastava and Kellia Hicks and they said 
in their report, which I have a copy here, the company 
invalidated outer specification results without a scientific 
valid cause. The investigation kept open for 10 months without 
justification.
    The USFDA conducted another inspection last year, led by 
Investigator Salim Akhter. It said in his report here, for the 
U.S. market, the facilities are not cleaned properly to 
minimize contamination and fail to provide scientific data. In 
fact, in January 2016, the USFDA Director of Manufacturing 
Quality, Thomas Cosgrove had this to say about this company. 
Your firm routinely retested samples without justification. We 
observed systematic manipulation of data, backdating test data, 
manipulating parameters to obtain passing results, and here is 
the punchline.
    In 2017, in August, the USFDA Office of Criminal 
investigation closed the investigation of this firm. In late 
2022, the USFDA inspectors for--you know, so this is one 
example. Another example is a drug called cisplatin. This is a 
drugs that is used to treat cancer. We had a shortage of this 
drug in this country back in 2022, and this company, the 
company that made this drug, was a single source for us based 
in India.
    The warning letter issued to this particular company by the 
Director of Manufacturing Quality at the USFDA, Francis 
Goodwin, said in his warning letter, I have investigated and 
observed plastic bags filled with torn and discarded original 
GMP documents. An analyst destroyed GMP records by pouring 
acetic acid in the trash bin containing analytical balance 
slips. He wrote, 20 batch records allowed changes to be made in 
manual entries.
    The point I am trying to make here, Chairman Scott and 
Ranking Member Gillibrand, imagine if this behavior was 
observed and documented in a financial services firm. The 
records demonstrating illegal behavior were destroyed by 
pouring acidic acid into waste bins. Would we accept that? The 
fact that, you know--would we let and draw and go by paying a 
fine and not holding Mr. Lay and Mr. Skilling accountable?
    This is what we are doing right now. Then we hear from my 
panelists here that we continue to have bad quality drugs in 
the country. This is the time for you to call up the USFDA 
Office of Criminal Investigation and ask them very pointedly 
why these investigations have been closed. I thank you for your 
time.
    The Chairman. I want to than each of you. We will start 
with questions. We will start with Senator Tuberville.
    Senator Tuberville. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding 
this hearing. Today we are not discussing a new issue. As we 
all know, America has lost power in the generic drug and 
pharmaceutical ingredient market. We are relying on China for 
several drugs, and it goes deeper than a trade issue. It is a 
national security issue. This is not a partisan issue with 
talking points.
    There is real life patient harm and oversight that has 
fallen short. We just heard an excellent testimony from Ms. 
Salberg here about her past and her problems, and we thank her 
for being here today. I want to start with Dr. de La Monte. Can 
you tell me how often unannounced inspections happen in foreign 
pharmaceutical facilities?
    Dr. de La Monte. I can't tell you how often, but I know 
they are infrequent, and they are often tipped. There is no way 
to actually hold them truly accountable for what is going on.
    Senator Tuberville. Thank you. Mr. Thakur, can you paint a 
really good picture for us of a lab in India, and especially 
you, you know, worked in them, about what you see when you go 
in there, what they are trying to hide and not trying to hide? 
Can you paint good picture of everybody here for that?
    Mr. Thakur. Sure. I can speak to you from my own experience 
working in India. I had a misfortune of working in a company in 
India for 18 months. Typically what happened in those days was 
that the USFDA gave essentially a 2-month intimation saying 
that we are coming to inspect your facilities.
    Now, that changed after Ranbaxy. The USFDA established an 
office in India and China, but they closed them down, and I 
don't know why. You have to ask them for that, but in that 
particular case, when the inspector comes in, the way that our 
regulations work, the GMP regulations work is we have an honor 
system.
    What we do is we say, this is how you told us that you make 
the drug. When we come and inspect you, we want to make sure 
that we see that you follow what you have told us when you 
asked us for approving this drug.
    This is what market authorization in this country really 
means. When we go there, we look over documentation. We look at 
the processes and it is very easy to game that if people are 
given ahead notice.
    In my case, the greatest example that I knew about was that 
in 2005, when an inspector came in and asked for certain 
documents which were not available, the inspector was told, 
well, we will give it to you tomorrow morning, and overnight 
the company fabricated those documents, put them in a steam 
room to make them look like old documents. Now, is that 
acceptable to us?
    Senator Tuberville. No. Ms. Salberg, how can we have high-
quality generic drugs? How do you think we can do that?
    Ms. Salberg. Simply inspect every batch that comes into the 
United States at the manufacturer or the purchaser's expense 
and send anything that is not the quality that is in the 
original ANDA right on back where it came from.
    Senator Tuberville. Dr. Joseph, I am intrigued with your 
ability to test your own drugs. Can you explain that?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Yes. Although my degree wasn't in 
chemistry, I studied quite a bit of chemistry in college, and I 
worked in my professor's laboratory one summer. Everybody has 
got to have a hobby. I am a little bit on the nerdy side.
    Senator Tuberville. You think?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Yes.
    Senator Gillibrand. He is a football coach. Do not listen 
to him. He doesn't know what he doesn't know.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Yes, so I had a number of reagents, 
glassware, microbalances and so on, and I had been playing 
around with similar sorts of--you know, I took lots of 
supplements. I tried breaking those down into their component 
pieces and so on, so I had done similar tasks before and, yes, 
the stars aligned in this case.
    Senator Tuberville. Yes. You brought up one point there 
when we are talking about generic drugs. We have tens of 
billions of dollars spent in this country every year on 
supplements that are on the counter that don't have--that are 
not prescription drugs and there is no telling what is in these 
things, and you know, they look pretty in the bottles and most 
of us in here take a supplement or whatever. You got any 
thoughts on that Mr. Thakur?
    Mr. Thakur. Regulation for medicine actually is fairly 
extensive. Regulation of supplements is significantly below 
standards for us in terms of regulation of what really happens.
    The example that Senator Scott spoke about, the deaths from 
eye drops, these were over the counter eye drops and should 
trusted, that when we go to CVS and Walgreens and actually buy 
these, that, you know, they are supposed to work the way that 
they are intended. We see issues of contamination of bacteria 
that, you know, people lost sight.
    We had deaths, you know, in those cases. That is an 
egregious example, but the regulation of supplements is 
significantly smaller, lower, compared to the regulation for 
medicine.
    Senator Tuberville. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Ranking Member Gillibrand.
    Senator Gillibrand. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Clark-
Joseph and Mr. Thakur, independent testing for international 
manufacturing, the global nature of generic drug supply chain 
means that 40 percent of finished dose products sold in the 
U.S. are produced abroad.
    When inspecting international facilities, the FDA routinely 
gives foreign manufacturers up to 12 weeks advance notice, 
which is a lot. This allows bad actors 3 months to falsify 
data, sanitize facilities, cover up noncompliance. The FDA also 
does not routinely perform independent random testing of 
generic drugs already on the market. Compounding this issue 
when a foreign facility fails an audit, the FDA may waive 
enforcement to prevent shortages despite the quality of the 
generic drug.
    This creates a race to the bottom market incentive where 
purchasers have no financial incentive to care about drug 
quality or reliability. Dr. Clark-Joseph, could independent 
third party testing of generic drugs change the financial 
incentives to prioritize quality among companies operating in 
the U.S.? Is it possible to scale enough testing to make an 
impact?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Yes, absolutely, to both questions. The 
first point as to, could it change financial incentives, I 
believe that procurement reform of precisely the type included 
in Representative McCormick and DeLauro's Transparency and 
Quality in Pharmaceuticals Act would. Introducing quality 
metrics and independently derived drug manufacturing metrics 
into the military drug procurement would, in addition to the 
direct effects, have ripple effects throughout the private 
sector.
    Senator Gillibrand. Are you saying start with just the 
military's acquisition, seven percent, and then you think doing 
that, testing that, making that the highest quality would then 
create more incentives for the rest of the thirty-three 
percent?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Absolutely, because once there is a kind 
of gold standard for examining quality, one set by the 
Government, ideally codified into law, that will both create a 
precedent that these other large group purchasers can follow 
without fear of being a pioneer.
    Though kudos to Kaiser for their pioneering work in that 
manner. Perhaps more importantly, this will create at least the 
specter of potential liability either in a legal sense or 
liability to their patients who might become aware of things 
and force decisionmakers at the purchasing level to take 
quality into account.
    Senator Gillibrand. Create a certification standard so it 
can be certified, inspected type thing.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. That would be wonderful.
    Senator Gillibrand. Dr. Thakur--or Dinesh Thakur.
    Mr. Thakur. I think that clearly there is a cost involved 
in testing everything that comes into the country. What we need 
to understand is what is the consequence of not doing that 
because we really don't have good data as to what is a 
consequence of poor quality medicine in terms of 
hospitalization, in terms of adverse events. We just don't 
track that kind of information.
    In order to justify what is needed to create a testing 
program, you always look back and say, well, we have gotten 
over this far by doing this. Mostly when patients go to their 
pharmacist and say, my medicine isn't working, they are usually 
told that it is a psychosomatic thing. It is all in your head 
because the drug looks different. Here is the challenge.
    The challenge is that there is no liability for purchases 
today. They can determine what goes in the formulary. Like, for 
example, most formularies essentially have manufacturers, two 
or three manufacturers, and usually they are located overseas.
    As a patient, if I go to my CVS and say, look, if my 
formulation is yellow or red, I really don't have the ability 
to influence that because the purchasing decision is made by 
the formulary at that point in time.
    Creating a liability at the procurement level that I was 
talking about, that I think at least will change the equation a 
little bit and incentivize buyers to be able to look at quality 
as well. Right now, every negotiation is about price. It is not 
about quality at all.
    Senator Gillibrand. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Ranking Member. Ms. Salberg, how 
did you figure out your drug wasn't working?
    Ms. Salberg. My drug didn't work in a number of different 
ways, at different points. The beta blocker, my heart rate 
didn't come down. The tacrolimus, I found in the morning when I 
had my coffee, and my hand was shaking. That is a telltale sign 
of being high dosed on tacrolimus.
    This one over here is the one that sent it below normal, 
3.9 and opened me for rejection. This has no symptoms. You just 
are open to rejection. You have to do a lot of blood testing 
and I have been through a lot of IVs and a lot of blood draws 
in my life. I don't have good veins. At certain points, they 
are going to have to literally start pumping my fingers for 
blood to test my levels.
    They have had to do that in the past when you couldn't get 
access to a vein. I have challenged veins that I have to pay 
somebody to poke to go test the drugs again. Sometimes it is 
twice a month to make sure my levels are proper. Now that I am 
on name brand, I am down to my monthly to every other month 
blood tests.
    The Chairman. You have insurance, I guess.
    Ms. Salberg. I do have insurance.
    The Chairman. If your generic doesn't work, do you have to 
pay the higher co-pay because of the brand, even though it 
doesn't work?
    Ms. Salberg. Yep.
    The Chairman. Even though you proved it doesn't work?
    Ms. Salberg. Yep.
    The Chairman. That surprised you, didn't it?
    Ms. Salberg. It's--I am sorry?
    The Chairman. Doesn't that surprise you?
    Ms. Salberg. Oh, it shocks me, but I am a patient advocate, 
and I have watched how the health insurance companies put us in 
a really bad position, especially those with chronic illness.
    The Chairman. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Dr. Clark-
Joseph, so the argument that some buyers have is they say, oh, 
it is going to cost more money. Have you ever done an analysis 
that, because when you end up back in the hospital or your 
condition is not treated, it actually costs more money? Have 
you ever done an analysis that says that is not actually--even 
if it costs a little bit more for the, you know, American drug, 
it's still worth it?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Yes, absolutely. I am actually, both I 
and my co-founder, David Light, are co-authors on a recent 
working paper on precisely this issue. We estimated the cost 
from adverse events associated with low quality drugs.
    I am very happy to followup with detailed calculations and 
so on. We found a number that we feel is very conservative of 
about $18 billion per year and the actual cost of testing every 
batch would be a tiny fraction of that.
    Generic drugs in the United States, although we do pay 
significantly more than the rest of the world for our branded 
drugs, we pay something like 33 percent less on average for our 
generic drugs. We found in our experience with Kaiser and 
others that testing and certifying every batch would add about 
one to three percent to the cost.
    We could still pay more than 30 percent less than the rest 
of the world and have a fully certified generic drug supply 
that would be of high quality.
    The Chairman. Dr. de La Monte, you talked about a drug that 
was recalled?
    Dr. de La Monte. Yes, the drug was recalled by the FDA, and 
yet it remained on the market, and, you know, one of the 
pharmacies----
    The Chairman. If I have a--if my car is recalled, right, I 
get a letter sent, right, and they tell me I have to go in and 
get something done, so that is not the way the FDA works?
    Dr. de La Monte. Not that I am aware. First of all, the 
physicians who prescribe the drug are usually unaware that 
something has been recalled. The company, you know, one of 
the--I don't want to name pharmacies, but specific pharmacies, 
they should know that a drug has been recalled and not sell it 
to the clients. It seems irresponsible to just get away with it 
and not--and to enable disease to go forward.
    Again, it is clearly a pricing issue, or they had it 
shelved and they want to sell it. It is a big problem because I 
think lack of awareness on the client, the physician, and the 
people who are purchasing it just don't seem to be aware. 
Hospitals may also be involved in this. They just buy stuff up 
in large amounts, again, price driven.
    The Chairman. What kind of contaminants are found in 
medicines, and what kind of risk do they pose to patients?
    Dr. de La Monte. Well certainly nitrosamines are one of the 
big ones, and the reason I really pay a lot of attention to 
that is because they are linked to chronic diseases which are 
currently pandemic in the world. You know, we have--just taking 
low dose nitrosamine causes diabetes, obesity, fatty liver 
disease, and dementia.
    You can just name the gang of four that is causing trouble 
in the United States and all the money we spend on trying to 
treat these people. Unfortunately, once you have these kinds of 
diseases that are drug induced, they are harder to treat. Now, 
I will give you a good example.
    The 1960's and 70's, the rates of diabetes in people who 
were between 60 and 70 were far lower than they are today. The 
cost of treating them today is much higher. If you look at 60 
to 70 year olds back then to those now, the rate is so much 
higher, and yet our medicine is supposedly better. What 
happened?
    The Chairman. Mr. Thakur, so when you were a whistleblower, 
did the FDA say thank you? Thank God that you are here. You 
know, why won't you come in and show us how we are going to 
improve this, and then can you brag about all the changes they 
have made?
    Mr. Thakur. I wish it was true. I am sorry it wasn't.
    The Chairman. Oh, it is not true?
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Thakur. I did offer to meet with the FDA. 
Unfortunately, that never came to pass.
    The Chairman. They didn't--they don't care.
    Mr. Thakur. I am sure they must have a good reason for 
that. I can't comment why, I mean, they wouldn't want to meet 
with somebody like me. I had something to offer.
    The Chairman. Ms. Salberg, what do you hear from--do you 
have any stories of other patients that have gotten bad quality 
drugs or ineffective drugs?
    Ms. Salberg. Many. Dr. Lever and I meet up on a podcast 
every couple of weeks, and we were talking about generic drug 
quality. About five days later, a young man from--who was at 
that time living up in--by Buffalo, New York, and he called and 
said, I am taking myself to the hospital right now.
    I am like, what is going on, hon? He is like a 28-year-old 
guy. He said, my beta blocker is not working. My heart rate, I 
feel like I am going to die. I got to go to the hospitals. I 
am, like, go, go get it checked out. Then he got stabilized, 
looked at the meds, changed the generic.
    He went back to his old drug, and he was fine again. That 
was just like a regular old Tuesday afternoon in the office 
with somebody calling saying they have got a problem. I have a 
board member who is on thyroid medication, and she had a battle 
trying to keep her thyroid levels even on generics and gave 
that up decades ago for name brand only because thyroid 
medications are very specific. I have had many people 
hospitalized, and Dr. Lever at the Cleveland Clinic was 
constantly dealing with this.
    Not only with beta blockers, but the problems back in about 
2017, or 1916, 1917, 1918, with tacrolimus. We were losing 
transplant patients, and nobody could figure out why. Why are 
they dying? They have been stable for 10 years and then all of 
a sudden they are in rejection. It is because they got inert 
drugs.
    You know how much it costs to put a heart in a person? It 
is about a million bucks, and this is like five bucks. Why are 
we not supporting the amazing work that we are doing with this 
high expense, high output procedure with a five dollar drug?
    The Chairman. Dr. Clark-Joseph, why aren't we testing? I 
mean, the FDA--I think the Department of War is starting to 
test now, right?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. That is correct.
    The Chairman. Why isn't the FDA doing that? I mean, it 
seems pretty simple.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Well, the FDA is mostly set up from a 
process perspective in their inspection and examination 
capacities and that is certainly an important part of the 
equation. Making sure that the production facilities and 
production lines are as they are supposed to be is important.
    However, as we have seen, it doesn't catch everything. We, 
Valisure, are very much mission aligned with the FDA, but have 
a complementary set of expertise and capabilities. I don't have 
a full explanation beyond that of why the FDA has not gone this 
route. We look forward to any productive collaboration we can 
have with them going forward.
    The Chairman. Are there examples that you know of in the 
private sector where, in contrast to Federal Government, where 
with drugs they purchase based on quality first, then price?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. I know we have been running a program 
with Kaiser for a number of years now, wherein in order for 
manufacturers to enter their bidding process for their next 
year's procurement, the manufacturers need to first get their 
medications tested and then if they are selected, agree to 
ongoing certification. Kaiser is therefore a private-sector 
example--they are still asking manufacturers to compete on 
price but filtering down to the ones who are highest quality 
and then letting them compete on the price.
    The Chairman. Dr. de La Monte, the FDA relies heavily on 
self-attested manufacturing data to meet manufacturing 
standards. Do you feel comfortable that if somebody has an 
economic incentive to cut costs and the FDA just relies on 
their stuff, does that make any sense to you?
    Dr. de La Monte. The economic incentives are unacceptable. 
We have to go for quality and patient care and outcomes. We are 
in a healthcare profession to make people well, not worry--I 
mean, the small amount of money that is cited for additional 
testing and third-party qualification, seems like we should be 
willing to pay that amount. You can't get everything for 
nothing, so, right.
    The Chairman. Senator Gillibrand.
    Senator Gillibrand. Thank you. Dr. de La Monte and Ms. 
Salzberg--or Salberg--in both of your testimoneys, you discuss 
the long term impacts that low quality medication has on the 
health of patients. However, many consumers do not have the 
background or expertise to discern whether a medication is safe 
or not. This could potentially lead to mistrust with all 
generic drugs.
    Ms. Salberg, as a patient advocate, how should policymakers 
promote the need for oversight and increasing transparency, 
while avoiding panic that could lead patients to stop treatment 
or delay care if they are financially unable to pay for brand 
name drugs?
    Ms. Salberg. Thank you for that question. I think, number 
one, we have to be honest. We have to tell the American people 
the honest truth, and we can start today by having the FDA 
update their website, because it tells you generics are the 
same. That is a lie. We can't lie to the American people.
    We have to tell them the truth. The good news is 70-plus 
percent of generic drugs are great quality, and they work very 
well. We should lean into enforcing good actors to be 
prominent. We should also tell people if they are taking a 
medication that they have taken for a chronic illness for a 
long period of time, and they notice they are feeling 
different, to immediately communicate with their physician.
    Senator Gillibrand. Make that a red flag. Do you have a--
have you worked with the AARP to get them to notice that on 
their website, so like as a trusted source of information?
    Ms. Salberg. The HCMA is much smaller than the AARP, and 
they have not listened to my advice thus far, so maybe this 
might change that, and I hope that they would do that. I would 
just really love if you guys could get the FDA to actually tell 
the truth on their website. That would be helpful.
    Senator Gillibrand. We will work on that. Dr. de La Monte, 
can you expand on the potential public health consequences if 
patients lose confidence in FDA approved medicines and begin 
avoiding or discontinuing medically necessary therapies based 
on incomplete or misunderstood information? How should we 
increase doctor and patient education on this issue?
    Dr. de La Monte. First, I think there is a relatively low 
awareness in general among physicians about side effects that 
are specifically due to the drugs. That is a big problem in 
medical education where we just assume that the drug will work. 
We think because it was FDA approved, it is FDA approved to buy 
the generics, and I think that is a misunderstanding.
    Second, I like the idea of third party testing and then 
having a validation of color codes, so they know this has been 
third-party tested. I actually contacted a supplement company 
that I use, and I said, by the way, how do I know this is not 
poison? They actually showed me all their third party testing 
and validation.
    I said oh, so it is out there, and you could actually tell 
people. I like the idea of having a website, but there is so 
much on the web, so you need to have a way for--I mean, right 
now, people are using AI for medicine. I mean you may just dial 
it in, whatever it is. You would think that some of those 
complications of a specific generic from company X is 
problematic and shouldn't be prescribed.
    I mean eventually we have to drill down to physicians and 
health care workers telling people that we are going to keep to 
the safe ones. I think that is the way to go. There are safe 
ones, people are not dying every second, but they have these 
complications.
    I think because they are not dying every second, we just 
keep dismissing the ones that are bad. We need to come up with 
the good group and tell people that there in fact are bad 
groups.
    Senator Gillibrand. Yes, agreed. It would be great to have 
a clearinghouse of information on an FDA-approved website to 
actually track production and manufacturers that have bad track 
record.
    Dr. de La Monte. I agree.
    Senator Gillibrand. I would think. Dr. Clark-Joseph, 
Valisure is a leader in independent chemical testing for 
carcinogens and toxic impurities in generic drug manufacturing, 
filling a critical transparency gap in the global 
pharmaceutical supply chain. You have partnered with the 
Department of Defense on pharmaceutical quality assurance 
assessment studies to chemically test and score generic 
medications.
    How has this collaboration informed your ability to scale, 
standardize for a model for large purchasers, and how can we 
use it to reward safe manufacturers? Along with that, when 
various pharmacy chains offer their own generics, do they have 
better quality assurance because they themselves become brand 
names like CVS or Walgreens?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Let me go in reverse order. With respect 
to large pharmacies such as, as you mentioned, CVS or Walgreens 
having their own brand, my impression is that they are still 
sourcing them and procuring them in exactly the same way, and 
that they do not yet have any additional internal or 
independent quality verification or certification built in.
    As to our project with the Uniformed Services University 
for the military, it has led to fleshing out an operational 
version of this red, yellow, green scoring system, which has 
been guided by an expert review panel, and we have further put 
in the details to do this. We have gotten an excellent snapshot 
of the quality risk profile of the extant manufacturers, of the 
top essential medicines, which also overlap with high use 
medicines in general.
    That said, we also know through our work with Kaiser 
Permanente, that this absolutely can be done at scale. The kind 
of snapshots that we have been generating for the Uniformed 
Services University, ideally would both be updated on a regular 
basis because manufacturers can change their procedures if 
things turn over, and also perhaps pave the way for batch 
testing in kind of the Kaiser model nationwide.
    Not to sound like a broken record but this is again why we 
are really, really excited and urge your support for the 
Transparency and Quality in Pharmaceuticals Act.
    Senator Gillibrand. Yes. It makes sense because you could 
incentivize not only drug--pharmaceutical chains to do it. You 
could incentivize hospital networks to do like with Kaiser 
Permanente.
    The DOD to do it. You can find the large purchasers or even 
group purchasing organizations to do it, to mandate that they 
have to have the high quality and testing done. Then they say 
we have been tested.
    My assumption is if you create these large groups doing it, 
it will create a standard and then people will all be asking 
for that standard. It will also raise awareness that you can 
pay for a higher level quality of drug and that everyone should 
have that choice to pay for higher quality level of drug.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Absolutely. Yes, we really believe that 
beginning with military appropriation reform will start that 
ripple effect exactly as you described.
    Senator Gillibrand. Then the elite hospital networks will 
be next. Then from there, I think the most successful 
pharmaceutical chains will be next. I mean, CVS is going to 
want to certify that their drugs and their medicines that they 
are putting on their label are tested.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Absolutely. One point--although, yes, 
there is some minimal additional cost to testing, it is 
important to note that we didn't find a correlation between 
price and quality in these drugs.
    It is not like the greens are the most expensive ones. 
There is actually a paper by Kevin Schulman and someone else 
not too long ago that looked at the impact of the recalls of 
the angiotensin II receptor blockers (ARBs) that were recalled 
because they were contaminated with nitrosamines.
    He compared the price and volumes for those to the 
angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors, the ACE drugs that 
serve a similar purpose but weren't recalled.
    He found that despite the recalls of these objectively bad 
batches, the price of the ARBs did not increase relative to the 
control, and the volume, if anything, slightly increased.
    Senator Gillibrand. Even if they did slightly, people would 
be happy to pay it. If you just look at a generic of Zyrtec and 
then you look at Zyrtec, the generic is--let's say it is a $10 
dosage model. The generic might be $6. There is $4 in there you 
can play with. If it has to be $7 instead of $6. You are still 
offering a lower price, but you are guaranteeing the quality.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Absolutely.
    Senator Gillibrand. There is a huge difference in price. If 
you are price sensitive, you are buying the generics generally. 
There is still room between the brand and versus the generic to 
add a little more value.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. Absolutely, 100 percent.
    Senator Gillibrand. Mr. Chairman, I have asked all my 
questions, and I have to go pick up my son. Thank you all. I 
have a child arriving at an airport. Thank you all for your 
testimony today. I am very grateful.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Ranking Member Gillibrand. Dr. 
Clark-Joseph, have any insurance companies or anybody listened 
to you that you could save them money by--at all? Has anybody?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. We have pitched it a number of times. 
That was earlier on in our trajectory. At the time, we didn't 
have well-established data. It was just, hey, it seems entirely 
rational that this would save you money in the long term.
    We hope that with the accretion of more and more data that 
is, in some ways, becoming overwhelming, pointing to the actual 
economic health costs these things, that insurance companies 
and health systems will be much more interested.
    The Chairman. Can you show me that Medicare would save 
money?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. I would have to followup with you for 
detailed analysis, but I think it is overwhelmingly likely that 
Medicare would ultimately save a lot of money.
    The Chairman. Well, whenever you are ready, I can organize 
a meeting for you with CMS to do that.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. I would be delighted. Thank you.
    The Chairman. Right now, you guys know the risks. How do 
you pick your drugs? Because you have got some pill bottles 
there, right? Does it say where you got it?
    Ms. Salberg. I brought these three because this is the one 
that was under dosing me. This is the ones that was overdosing 
me and this one came in the middle, but it is a generic and 
then I went to name brand, and I am not risking it anymore
    The Chairman. You know where those all came from?
    Ms. Salberg. Where did they come from? No, I didn't know. 
This one is an interesting one. You will like this. It is 
Sandoz. I am from Jersey. They used to be down the street. I 
figured it was a local. It is made in India.
    The Chairman. How did you find that out?
    Ms. Salberg. Because I have smart friends who help me 
research, and I am a patient advocate who has more resources.
    The Chairman. It is not on the bottle, is it?
    Ms. Salberg. No, no, no. It is on the bottle----
    The Chairman. Show that--your clothing all has country of 
origin----
    Ms. Salberg. My clothing does, my shoes do--everything, 
yes.
    The Chairman. Yes, and that makes you feel good.
    Ms. Salberg. Yes. You don't know where it is coming from. 
You don't know who made it. There is another component here 
that I do want to bring up, and that is temperature. When these 
drugs are imported, we don't that they are temperature 
controlled, and we don't what the temp really is----
    The Chairman. We know they are not.
    Ms. Salberg. What is that?
    The Chairman. No, no, you know they are not temperature----
    Ms. Salberg. We know they are not temperature regulated, 
yes. They can get very hot. That is not safe.
    The Chairman. Yes. How about the rest of you? If you know--
I guess you know. Are you pretty good about everything you 
might, you or your family might take, or your friends?
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. I try----
    The Chairman. It is an important friend to have.
    Dr. Clark-Joseph. I like to think so. I try very hard, but 
even I--sometimes it is just something I worry about and have 
very little control over. In spite of my connections with 
Valisure and so on, I am still ultimately forced to use 
basically the same pharmacies that everyone else is.
    If the ones in town have made what strike me as poor 
purchasing decisions that month there's little I can do. I take 
duloxetine. It has been a lifesaver for me. There is a whole 
thing with drug specific nitrosamines in duloxetine. That has 
had me very worried.
    The Chairman. Somebody else? Dr. de La Monte, do you know 
where your drugs come from?
    Dr. de La Monte. I wonder----
    The Chairman. You should know this stuff, right? It is 
impossible, isn't it?
    Dr. de La Monte. It is really tough. The thing is, somebody 
has to have skin in the game to get this to work.
    You know, I have asked people I know who are in the higher 
levels of making drugs whether they could actually make their 
own generics, or whether they would supervise the generics, 
because they are the source of the compound. They all claim it 
is impossible. I think it is they just want to push it aside 
and not do it.
    The Chairman. They don't have to, so then why do it, right?
    Dr. de La Monte. Right. This is extra work. I think the 
push can come from consumers. If this concept were somehow 
popularized and made aware, you get a lot of pushback from 
people who are angry that this is what is happening.
    You know, there are some people out there who are on TV and 
the like who might be interested in sharing the information and 
making people aware, and, you know, they are so good at drama.
    You know, showing the outrageous component of what we are 
getting and realizing that, you know, things could be fixed. 
Sometimes you need a lot of pressure from people who are 
actually the victims, especially the senior citizens who have a 
lot of political clout.
    The Chairman. It is how our Government is supposed to work, 
right?
    Dr. de La Monte. Well, it is supposed to, but if people 
don't know, if it is a secret. You know, if you are getting 
food that comes from wherever, you could at least read the 
label. Now you can read the labels, but medicines, we don't----
    The Chairman. Senator Gillibrand and I have a bill, the 
CLEAR LABELS Act, so it will have country of origin for the 
ingredients of manufacturing, so that is a start. We are also 
working on mapping where all the ingredients come from.
    I think--and you know, the Federal Government has got 
unbelievable buying power. I used to run the largest hospital 
company. I can tell you what--you know, I was only two percent 
of the healthcare dollar, but I could buy on volume so I could 
direct the market, right.
    The Federal Government can do the same thing if they want 
to do it, but, you know, they will say, oh, gosh, it is going 
to cost us more money, or blah, blah, blah. It doesn't really 
matter. If you are dead, it doesn't help you much. We are going 
to get this done. Thank each of you for being here. I think 
this was a great hearing.
    Problems with drug quality are affecting the American 
people, especially older Americans whose health relies on these 
medications. No American should have to wonder if the drug they 
are taking is safe or contains the medicine they need to stay 
healthy. I am going to continue to work with all my colleagues 
to support policies that bring safe and high quality drugs to 
patients.
    I look forward to continuing to work with my members on 
this Committee. If any Senators have additional questions for 
the witnesses or statements to be added, the hearing record 
will be open until next Wednesday at 5:00 p.m. I want to thank 
each of you for being here.
    [Whereupon, at 4:39 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]  
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                 U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging

      "Poisoned Pills: The Human Cost of Dangerous Foreign Drugs"

                              June 3, 2026

                        Questions for the Record

                         Dr. Adam Clark-Joseph

                        Senator Raphael Warnock

    Question:

    Rural health providers in Georgia rely on generic drugs to 
treat patients, including older Americans. Due to financial 
vulnerability, rural providers have limited capacity to build a 
stockpile of drugs in preparation for supply shortages.
    How can Congress ensure rural hospitals and clinics provide 
affordable and safe generic drugs to seniors in times of a drug 
shortage crisis?

    Response:

    Two of the leading causes of drug shortages are quality 
problems and supply-chain fragility. At a high level, 
incentivizing generic-drug quality and domestic manufacturing 
are vital steps to address the drug-shortage problem.
    Representatives Rich McCormick and Rosa DeLauro are 
introducing the bipartisan Transparency and Quality in 
Pharmaceuticals Act ("TRaQ Pharma Act") to incorporate the 
Uniformed Services University's chemical quality metrics along 
with independently derived manufacturing location metrics into 
military drug procurement. (They are also working to include 
this bill in the NDAA and provide funding in the Fiscal Year 
2027 Defense Appropriations Bill.) The reforms supported by 
this legislation would shift military pharmaceutical 
procurement away from a model in which suppliers compete only 
on cost, in favor of a model in which quality and manufacturing 
location also factor into purchasing decisions.
    This reform to military drug procurement would have a 
meaningful direct effect to incentivize improved quality and 
American drug manufacturing, which would spill over and improve 
conditions for the non-military segment of the generic-drug 
market. In addition, these reforms, by establishing a "gold 
standard" of sorts for quality and demonstrating well-
functioning procurement that considers quality, would introduce 
a specter of potential liability for private-sector purchasers 
vis-a-vis quality, and thereby exert an important indirect 
influence to further incentivize high-quality drug selection by 
the private sector. In our view, the reform of military drug-
procurement is the best option available in the near term to 
address shortages throughout the nation, including in rural 
Georgia.

    Question:

    It is critical to ensure transparency into where and how 
medicines are manufactured for both patient safety and supply 
chain security.
    How would requiring country of origin or manufacturing 
facility information on labels improve the security of our drug 
supply chain, particularly for seniors in states like Georgia?

    Response:

    Requiring country-of-origin labels, as in the Clear Labels 
Act, is an excellent first step towards the greater 
transparency so desperately needed in the American generic drug 
market. While transparency to patients is admirable and 
desirable, patients have little choice or say in the 
manufacturer from which their pharmacy or health system decides 
to purchase drugs.
    The most important step is to make independent quality and 
place-of-manufacture information available to those large 
purchasers, and to incentivize them to use that information in 
making their purchasing decisions.
    Military drug procurement reform, of the sort proposed in 
McCormick and DeLauro's TRaQ Pharma Act and NDAA amendment is 
the most readily available measure to start this process. 
Adopting analogous reforms to CMS generic drug procurement, 
though moderately more involved (as it would require updating 
aspects of their reimbursement system), would be the most 
impactful longer-term measure for improving drug quality and 
security nationwide, especially for seniors.
    Question:

    How can Congress enforce existing reporting requirements 
and ensure greater transparency overall?

    Response:

    A critical problem with existing reporting requirements in 
the U.S. is that most rely on manufacturers to self-report. 
This is, in essence, like relying on an honor system. We 
strongly believe that a shift towards independent assessment, 
both in the form of independent chemical quality testing of 
finished drug products, and in the form of independently 
derived location metrics, is vital to the development of a 
transparent, safe, and secure generic drug supply in the U.S.

                 U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging

      "Poisoned Pills: The Human Cost of Dangerous Foreign Drugs"

                              June 3, 2026

                        Questions for the Record

                             Dinesh Thakur

                        Senator Raphael Warnock

    Question:

    According to a Government Accountability Office report, 
there have been inspection workforce shortages at the Food and 
Drug Administration (FDA) since 2018. From November 2021 to 
June 2024, the vacancy rate of investigators who oversee drug 
manufacturers increased from 9 percent to 16 percent, leading 
to fewer safety inspections of generic drugs. The Trump 
administration also dismissed more than 3,500 FDA employees in 
April 2025, further exacerbating the FDA's inspection workforce 
capacity.
    How can Congress help stabilize the FDA inspection 
workforce and improve oversight over foreign manufacturing of 
generic drugs?

    Response:

    In the report you reference in your question, the GAO 
identifies the root cause of this increase in the vacancy rate 
to be "frequency and conditions of travel, pay, insufficient 
training, heavy workload and issues of work-life balance".
    Among these issues, pay and training are something that the 
Congress can have a direct oversight of. The cadre of 
inspectors, their training, their pay is within the remit of 
the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. 
This committee can directly influence these factors.
    The issue in my opinion is different. I am reproducing the 
following from the GAO report:
    According to FDA officials, pilot implementation in China 
was slowed by COVID-19-related travel restrictions, a new visa 
application process, and new Chinese laws related to espionage 
and national security. In addition, FDA officials said that 
increased resource needs for pilot inspections have affected 
the pace of implementation. Specifically, FDA determined that 
unannounced inspections in the pilot are to be conducted by two 
investigators for safety reasons (historically, the majority of 
inspections were conducted by solo investigators).[36]
    As of May 2024, FDA had initiated 114 pilot inspections in 
India (94 of which were unannounced) and 28 in China (16 of 
which were unannounced), according to an FDA presentation on 
the pilot's status. FDA plans to continue pilot implementation 
through each phase until it has completed about 250 unannounced 
and about 250 preannounced inspections in total across both 
countries.
    This assumes that we continue to send inspectors located in 
Rockville, MD to conduct inspections of manufacturing 
facilities located in India and China, where a large volume of 
our drug supply originates from.
    An inspectorate model that depends on international travel 
is bound to fail in my opinion. I have conveyed this to the 
House Energy and Commerce Committee in my testimony two years 
ago. Expecting inspectors located in the US to travel 
reasonably frequently, and therefore be subjected to workload 
and work-life balance issues which are a direct consequence of 
being away from home for weeks or months is not sustainable. 
Further, it also hinders in hiring inspectorate staff whose 
responsibilities are to be away from home and family for 
months, despite being offered better pay.
    The US FDA conducted a pilot in the aftermath of the 
Ranbaxy case where they had local inspectorate staff in Delhi 
and Mumbai, located within our Embassies. This pilot ended 
after a year, but we don't know why the US FDA did not pursue 
this model. In my opinion, hiring and locating inspectorate 
staff, like our diplomatic cadre in our embassies in these two 
countries which have hundreds of manufacturing facilities 
registered with the US FDA and supply our drugs is a more 
viable model. The agency has not stated publicly why they don't 
consider this model viable after they concluded their pilot, 
therefore I am at a loss to offer an explanation.
    As far as the HHS Transformation by reducing the number of 
staff at the US FDA, the agency fact sheet said that the DOGE 
reductions "will not affect drug, medical device, or food 
reviewers, nor will it impact inspectors." I do not have access 
to the most recent data on how many of the inspectorate staff 
were affected by these reductions; it is reasonable to assume 
that any reductions would have further exacerbated an already 
untenable situation among the foreign inspectorate staff and 
thereby directly impacting our ability to ensure the quality of 
our medicines supply.
    At the next opportunity, I hope you would ask the 
Commissioner why the model of locating an inspectorate staff at 
our Embassies in India and China is not a workable one, given 
all the challenges identified in the GAO report. 
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