[Senate Hearing 119-275]
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                                                        S. Hrg. 119-275

                    S. 107, THE LUMBEE FAIRNESS ACT
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                      COMMITTEE ON INDIAN AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                            NOVEMBER 5, 2025

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                      COMMITTEE ON INDIAN AFFAIRS

                    LISA MURKOWSKI, Alaska, Chairman
                  BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii, Vice Chairman
JOHN HOEVEN, North Dakota            MARIA CANTWELL, Washington
STEVE DAINES, Montana                CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada
MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma           TINA SMITH, Minnesota
MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota            BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico
JERRY MORAN, Kansas

Amber Ebarb, Majority Staff          Jennifer Romero, Minority Staff 
    Director                             Director and Chief Counsel
Lucy Murfitt, Chief Counsel          Darren Modzelewski, Counsel
                                     Lenna Aoki, General Counsel
                            
                            C O N T E N T S

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Hearing held on November 5, 2025.................................     1
Statement of Senator Cortez Masto................................    42
Statement of Senator Mullin......................................     3
Statement of Senator Murkowski...................................     1
Statement of Senator Schatz......................................     2
Statement of Senator Tillis......................................     3

                               Witnesses

Barnes, Hon. Ben, Chief, Shawnee Tribe...........................    31
    Prepared statement...........................................    33
Hicks, Hon. Michell, Principal Chief, Eastern Band of Cherokee 
  Indians........................................................    22
    Prepared statement...........................................    23
Locklear, Arlinda, Esq., Special Counsel on Recognition, Lumbee 
  Tribe of North Carolina........................................    12
    Prepared statement...........................................    14
Lowery, Hon. John, Chairman, Lumbee Tribe........................     6
    Prepared statement...........................................     8

                                Appendix

Hoxie, Dr. Frederick E., prepared statement......................    49
Letters submitted for the record................................. 56-68
Owle, Hon. Jim, Chairman, Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Tribal 
  Council, prepared statement....................................    53
U.S. Department of the Interior, prepared statement..............    55

 
                    S. 107, THE LUMBEE FAIRNESS ACT

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                      WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2025


                                       U.S. Senate,
                               Committee on Indian Affairs,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:33 p.m. in room 
106, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Lisa Murkowski, 
Chairman of the Committee, presiding.

           OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. LISA MURKOWSKI, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM ALASKA

    The Chairman. Good afternoon. The Committee will come to 
order.
    On our agenda this afternoon is one bill, this is S. 107, 
the Lumbee Fairness Act. It is introduced by our friend and 
colleague, Senator Thom Tillis.
    This bill represents the latest effort in the Lumbee 
Tribe's more than 120-year quest for full Federal recognition. 
An identical companion measure passed the House of 
Representatives earlier this year. It has been incorporated as 
an amendment into the House version of the National Defense 
Authorization Act.
    President Trump has also expressed support for Federal 
recognition of the Lumbee Tribe. In a Presidential Memorandum 
he declared it ``the policy of the United States to support 
full Federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, 
including granting the tribe eligibility to receive all 
associated Federal benefits.''
    So, once again, it is the Senate's turn to take a closer 
look. This Committee has had a long history of examining and 
debating the Federal recognition process for tribes, including 
whether recognition should occur through the administrative 
process at the Department of Interior's Office of Federal 
Acknowledgement under Part 83 or through direct Congressional 
action.
    Our Committee has also heard arguments that favor and 
oppose Lumbee going through the administrative process at 
Interior under Part 83 versus the Congressional legislative 
recognition process. So today's hearing continues that work 
with respect to the Lumbee Tribe.
    I think it is important to remember that Congress has never 
given up its Constitutional authority to decide whether a group 
constitutes a tribe. As recently as 2019, Congress granted full 
Federal recognition to four tribes through passage of the NDAA, 
and since 1978, when the Interior established its 
administrative process, Congress has recognized at least 39 
tribes.
    So this is serious work. And it is work that I take 
seriously both as a Senator and as Chairman of this Committee.
    Full Federal recognition establishes a government-to-
government relationship between the United States and the 
Tribe, and it also creates a fiduciary trust responsibility on 
the part of the Federal Government to the Tribe and to its 
members. Recognition makes a tribe eligible for the special 
programs and services the United States provides to Native 
peoples because of their status as Indians.
    It also affirms important elements of tribal sovereignty, 
the ability to govern their own affairs, to tax, to establish a 
tribal court system, and to exercise limited immunity from 
certain State and local laws.
    Federal recognition can also open the door to specific 
economic opportunities, including the ability to conduct gaming 
under the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act.
    We have a full panel of witnesses with us today, and I am 
looking forward to hearing from them. However, it is notable 
that no representative from the administration is present. We 
did extend an invitation to the Department of Interior, but due 
to the ongoing government shutdown, the Department declined to 
testify in person. The Department has submitted written 
testimony, which will be made part of the hearing record and 
posted on the Committee's website, alongside the rest of our 
written submissions.
    So with that, I will turn to Vice Chairman Schatz for his 
introductory remarks.

                STATEMENT OF HON. BRIAN SCHATZ, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM HAWAII

    Senator Schatz. Thank you, Chair Murkowski, for calling 
today's hearing on the Lumbee Fairness Act. Congress' authority 
over Indian affairs is broad. It is enshrined in the 
Constitution and it is plenary.
    One of our most sacred duties in the exercise of this 
authority is Federal acknowledgement. We do this by either 
delegating our power to the executive or directly recognize 
tribes by statute. Either way, Federal recognition forms the 
basis for a tribal government-to-government relationship with 
the United States that is political in nature and incredibly 
powerful.
    To put this Congressional power into historical context, 
until 1871, the United States carried out its Indian policy 
through treaty negotiations. Treaty-making was replaced in 
favor of the legislative process that we use today.
    Over 150 years, Congress has federally recognized just 39 
tribes. So it is especially poignant that since 1888, Congress 
has considered dozens of bills related to the Lumbee Tribe and 
our Federal obligations to them. The majority have been on 
Lumbee recognition alone, including Senator Tillis' S. 107, 
bipartisan legislation that I am a co-sponsor of.
    The House of Representatives has passed several Lumbee 
recognition bills and the Senate has had multiple hearings over 
several decades. We are here today to continue to build on that 
record. Each time we have a hearing on Federal recognition for 
the Lumbee Tribe, we learn more. This is a deliberative 
process, as it should be. Federal recognition of a government-
to-government relationship between sovereigns is rare. That is 
because no aspect of Congressional power over Indian affairs is 
greater than our ability to recognize Tribal relations with the 
United States.
    Thank you to our witnesses for being here today. I look 
forward to your testimony and the opportunity to add to the 
record.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Vice Chairman Schatz.

              STATEMENT OF HON. MARKWAYNE MULLIN, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM OKLAHOMA

    Senator Mullin, I will give you the courtesy of any 
comments if you wish. But otherwise, we will turn to our 
colleague.
    Senator Mullin. Senator Tillis is very impatient. I don't 
want to get in his way. He kind of gets grumpy.
    Senator Tillis. Like Senator Mullin.
    [Laughter.]
    The Chairman. We will immediately turn it over to the 
sponsor of the bill, Senator Tillis. Thanks for coming over to 
the Committee. You may proceed with your remarks, and welcome.

                STATEMENT OF HON. THOM TILLIS, 
                U.S. SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA

    Senator Tillis. Thank you. Chair Murkowski, Vice Chair 
Schatz, Senator Mullin, and distinguished members of the 
Committee, on behalf of Senator Budd, myself, and members of 
the North Carolina Congressional delegation, I want to thank 
you for the opportunity to speak in support of the Lumbee 
Fairness Act.
    This issue has come before Congress many times over the 
decades, but never with this level of unity and support. These 
days, it is rare to see Republicans and Democrats come together 
on anything.
    But when it comes to Lumbee recognition, the support is 
overwhelming, and it is bipartisan. We are talking about 
support from President Donald J. Trump, President Biden, Vice 
President J.D. Vance, former Vice President Kamala Harris, 
Governor Josh Stein, the North Carolina General Assembly, and 
nearly every member of our State's Congressional delegation.
    Here in the Senate, nearly two dozen members from both 
parties have co-sponsored the Lumbee Fairness Act, including 
Senator Schatz and Senator Mullin, who sit together on this 
very Committee. And maybe most remarkable, more than 235 
federally-recognized tribes who have stood with the Lumbee 
people, including the Alaska Federation of Natives, 
representing 186 tribes and corporations.
    I also want to offer my special thanks to president 
Benjamin Mallott and former president Julie Kitka for their 
unwavering support, unsolicited, and unwavering support.
    This kind of unity is rare. It proves that fairness for the 
Lumbee Tribe isn't partisan; it is simply the right thing to 
do.
    The Lumbee's history is long and well-documented. They were 
recognized by the State of North Carolina in 1885, and began 
seeking Federal recognition just three years later. That was 
137 years ago. During the 20th century, the Lumbee were among 
the dozens of victims of the termination era, one of the 
darkest periods in Federal Indian policy.
    In 1956, Congress passed the Lumbee Act. It acknowledge the 
tribe but cruelly denied them the benefits and the recognition 
that every other tribe receives. The Federal Government has 
since worked to correct the grave injustices of the termination 
era for nearly every single tribe except for the Lumbee.
    Time and again, the Lumbee have proven their case. The 
records are filled with testimony, studies, and reports that 
all lead to one conclusion: the Lumbee are a tribe fully 
deserving of Federal recognition. The House has acknowledged 
that repeatedly, passing Lumbee recognition with broad 
bipartisan support in every Congress since the 116th. This 
year, it was unanimously included in the House-passed NDAA, 
without a single voice of opposition.
    In 2022, I promised to identify and expose the small but 
persistent opposition to this bill. I have done that homework. 
What I found is simple: a small handful of well-funded tribes, 
hiring high-priced D.C. lobbyists to spin half-truths and stir 
fear, motivated by profit, not principle.
    At the center of that opposition is the Eastern Band of the 
Cherokee Indians, who I assume you will hear from today, and 
their constituents of North Carolina, and their lead advisor, 
William Pipestone. Plain and simple, their opposition is rooted 
in financial self-interest.
    And that is their right. But let's not pretend it is 
anything more than that. The Eastern Band has opposed nearly 
every recognition effort in their geographic vicinity that 
might affect their financial interests. They even tried to 
block the Catawba Tribe's land into trust application and lost, 
something I also supported.
    Now, they are running the same playbook against the Lumbee. 
They are spending millions of dollars on lobbyists and pay-for-
play reports that have been discredited and condemned by the 
National Congress of American Indians. It is disappointing to 
see this kind of money wasted on tearing down other tribes 
instead of lifting up their own people.
    However, the lobbying has failed. The ship has already 
sailed and it is headed full speed toward Lumbee recognition. 
Today, you will hear the same tiring talking points, that this 
somehow sets a bad precedent, that Congress should sit back and 
just let the Interior Department handle it.
    That argument doesn't hold water. Recognition through 
Congress is the precedent. It is the norm. Since 1978, twice as 
many tribes have been recognized by Congress through the 
administrative process. Congress has recognized tribes by 
legislation many times, including the Little Shell Tribe of the 
Chippewa Indians in the Fiscal Year 2022 NDAA, and six Virginia 
tribes in 2017. I supported both because it was the right thing 
to do.
    Next month will mark 25 years since Congress passed 
legislation to grant the Shawnee Tribe full Federal 
recognition. So, when people say Congress shouldn't act, what 
they really mean is Congress shouldn't act when they don't like 
the outcome. I invite anyone with doubts to visit Robeson 
County, Hoke County, or Scotland County. Go to the University 
of North Carolina and Pembroke, founded by and for the Lumbee 
people.
    You will see the rich Lumbee culture, their deep roots in 
North Carolina, and their extraordinary contributions to our 
State and our Nation. You will find a community defined by 
pride and resilience and service, educators, first responders, 
health care professionals, small business owners and farmers. 
And situated just miles from Fort Bragg, the largest military 
installation in the world, you will meet countless Lumbees and 
veterans who have served our Country honorably for generations. 
They have done everything this Nation has ever asked of them, 
and all they ask in return is fairness.
    I do know one leader who has visited Robeson County and has 
stood with the Lumbee people. That is President Trump. Just 
three days into his second term, President Trump made it the 
official policy of the United States Government to support full 
Federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe. That includes access 
to every Federal benefit that they have earned. And now is the 
time for Congress to act.
    The Lumbee people have waited long enough. They don't ask 
for special treatment, only fair treatment. They have earned 
and deserve full Federal recognition. To my friends and 
colleagues on this Committee, I hope you understand just how 
important this is, not only to the Lumbee Tribe and the people 
of North Carolina, but to me personally.
    Madam Chair, I am about to wrap it up. I know I am over 
time. But I really need to emphasize what personal means to me. 
I became speaker in 2011. Shortly after I became speaker, I met 
none other than the now-chief, he was the principal chief at 
the time, Michell Hicks. He came in to tell me the story about 
the Cherokee and how they need to negotiate a new compact. And 
I told the chief at the time, I said, I need to study this, but 
quite honestly, I am embarrassed to say, I don't know much 
about your story in North Carolina.
    So I took time to figure out that story. And this bill, and 
that study, and the wrong that I wanted to fix there, was 
embodied in a bill that was passed by none other than me, and 
it is the only bill in the entire time I was Speaker of the 
House that I allowed to go to the Floor that did not have a 
Republican majority vote.
    Thankfully, Congressman Tim Moore, who was my Rules Chair 
at the time, was able to shepherd this through and create a 
transformational result for the Eastern Band of the Cherokee.
    Now, two years later, I discovered the Lumbee Tribe, and I 
realized that they were working hard to maintain their culture 
and to do everything that they could if they were to go through 
the administrative process to prove that they had done the 
homework, which is why I signed another bill making sure that 
their cultural heritage could be maintained and continue to go 
through the process that they were prepared to go through.
    But the defect in the statutes is going to prevent this 
from happening. The only way this happens is through Federal 
recognition and through an act of Congress.
    So, Madam Chair, I appreciate your leadership and I have 
appreciated your friendship in the ten and a half years, almost 
eleven years that I have been here. But when I tell you it is 
personal to me it is because it is because it is an injustice 
that needs to be righted.
    I look forward to your serious consideration and I look 
forward to listening to the testimony. Thank you.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Tillis, for your remarks 
today, as well as your continued relentless advocacy.
    Now we will invite the witnesses up to the table, please. 
We will have the Honorable John Lowery. Mr. Lowery is the 
Chairman of the Lumbee Tribe from Pembroke, North Carolina. We 
have Arlinda Locklear, who is a tribal attorney from here in 
Washington, D.C. We have the Honorable Michell Hicks, who is 
the Principal Chief of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, 
from Cherokee, North Carolina, as well as the Honorable Ben 
Barnes, who is the Chief of the Shawnee Tribe from Miami, 
Oklahoma.
    To all of you, we would remind you that we do have your 
full written testimony, which will be included as part of the 
official record. We would ask that you keep your comments to no 
more than five minutes, so that we have plenty of time for 
members to ask questions.
    I introduced you going in this direction, so we will just 
continue it, beginning with you, Mr. Lowery. Welcome to the 
Committee, and you may proceed.

     STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN LOWERY, CHAIRMAN, LUMBEE TRIBE

    Mr. Lowery. Chairwoman Murkowski, Vice Chairman Schatz, 
Senator Mullin, thank you for convening this hearing today and 
for the opportunity to speak in support of S. 107, the Lumbee 
Fairness Act. I am John Lowery, Chairman of the Lumbee Tribe.
    The Lumbee Tribe has a longstanding appreciation for the 
vital work of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs. Over the 
past 30 years, we have benefitted from at least nine hearings 
before this Committee.
    Throughout the time, we have received strong support from 
past committee chairs, such as Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell, 
Daniel Inouye, Daniel Akaka, John McCain, Byron Dorgan, and 
many others who were true friends of Indian Country. Senators, 
please know that your commitment to tribe and your attention to 
the Lumbee are deeply valued and appreciated.
    I am also proud to highlight the tireless efforts of North 
Carlina's senior Senator, Thom Tillis, on behalf of the Lumbee 
Fairness Act. Alongside Senator Ted Budd, they have championed 
and sponsored the cause of full Federal recognition for our 
tribe following the bipartisan footsteps of North Carolina 
Senators Terry Sanford, Elizabeth Dole, and Richard Burr.
    As you are aware, the House of Representatives has again 
taken action on our legislation, led by Congressman David 
Rouzer and with the support of nearly the entire North Carolina 
delegation, H.R. 474 was included as an amendment to the Fiscal 
Year 2026 National Defense Authorization Act. Just this 
morning, President Trump issued a statement supporting the 
advancement of full Federal recognition of the ``great Lumbee 
Tribe of North Carolina.''
    I would like to point out also that we have Catawba Nation 
Chief Brian Harris and Assistant Chief Patricia Leach with us 
today. They are our brothers and sisters directly to the west 
of us, with whom we share a close bond.
    We also have Chief Keith Anderson of the Nansemond Indian 
Nation of Virginia, who are our brothers and sisters to our 
north. They are all standing in solidarity with the Lumbee 
people.
    Behind me are members of the Lumbee Warriors Association, 
who are veterans of the United States Armed Forces, and we also 
have numerous Purple Heart recipients, including Mr. Rudy 
Locklear. Their service exemplifies the patriotism and the love 
of country that defines as a people.
    Senators, my roots run deep in Lumbee history. I am a 
direct descendant of Henry Berry Lowery, who during the Civil 
War led a campaign against a Confederate home guard as they 
encroached on Lumbee land and conscripted our Indian people. 
Henry witnessed the murder of his father and brother, execution 
style, by Confederate leaders, and he vowed revenge. My great-
grandfather's grandfather and members of the Lowery gang fought 
back against those who sought to oppress and steal from us.
    Additionally, I am a descendant of Solomon Locklear, Sr., 
one of 44 tribal leaders who in 1888, 1888, petitioned Congress 
to recognize the Lumbee Tribe, an essential step toward 
securing Federal funding for our children's education. Today, 
137 years later, I stand before you once again advocating for 
justice and equal treatment through full Federal recognition.
    In 1956, the United States Congress passed the Lumbee Act. 
Sadly, that law was enacted during the height of the Federal 
Indian termination era, a period when the Federal Government 
was actively ending tribes' legal relationships with the United 
States.
    While the 1956 Act says that we are Lumbee Indians, it also 
included language stating that our tribe, the Lumbee Indians, 
were not eligible for full services or benefits. The language 
specifically says, ``Nothing in this act shall make such 
Indians eligible for any services performed by the United 
States for Indians because of their status as Indians. And none 
of the statutes of the United States which affect Indians 
because of their status as Indians shall be applicable to the 
Lumbee Indians.''
    This problematic language of the termination era continues 
to hinder us today, placing the Lumbee in a legal limbo that 
only Congress can resolve. There is no bureaucratic process 
that can amend what Congress has legislated.
    Thankfully, since the end of termination, Congress has 
repeatedly taken steps to undo these unjust laws and move 
toward self-determination. I am confident that this year, 
Congress will finally amend this law, this flawed law, and 
extend the full services and benefits that the Lumbee deserve.
    A tribe's legal status should be clear, concise and 
unambiguous. The Lumbee Fairness Act ensures this for our 
tribe.
    In 1958, just two years after the Lumbee Act, the Ku Klux 
Klan attempted to intimidate our community by rallying in 
Lumbee territory and burning a cross. However, that night, more 
than 100 tribal members, many of whom were World War II 
veterans, stood ready, armed with rifles and shotguns, and 
successfully drove the Klan away. It is only by the grace of 
God that no lives were lost that night, and the headlines 
across the Country bore witness to the resilience of the Lumbee 
Indians.
    Today, I stand before you as a leader of a people who have 
never been afraid to fight, to stand our ground and to resist 
oppression. When we are pushed, we push back.
    As a descendant of Henry Berry, Solomon, and the brave 
Lumbee who faced down the KKK, I urge you all to act now to do 
everything within your power to pass the Lumbee Fairness Act 
and eliminate harmful termination era language. Henry, Solomon, 
my grandparents, my father, and many others who are no longer 
with us, Senators Sanford, Inouye, Akaka, McCain, have all 
passed on. Senator Dole is in her twilight years.
    Do not let us bury another Lumbee or lose another ally in 
this fight for justice. Congress must move to ensure the Lumbee 
Indians are no longer second class Natives in our own land. 
Thank you.
    And Chair, I would like to submit into the record a 
comprehensive list of resolutions and letters from federally-
recognized tribes and tribal entities that support Lumbee 
recognition. The list includes Catawba, Tunica-Biloxi, Oneida 
Nation of Wisconsin, Pascua Yaqui, Mashantucket Pequot, and 
many more.
    Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Lowery follows:]

     Prepared Statement of Hon. John Lowery, Chairman, Lumbee Tribe
    Chairwoman Murkowski, Vice-Chairman Schatz, and members of the 
Committee, thank you for holding this hearing, and for the opportunity 
to appear before you today in support of S. 107, the Lumbee Fairness 
Act. My name is John Lowery. I am the duly elected Chairman of the 
Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina.
    The Lumbee Tribe has long appreciated the vital work of the Senate 
Committee on Indian Affairs. Over the last three decades, we have 
benefitted from at least nine hearings before this Committee, and we 
remain grateful for the Committee's work to favorably report our bill 
out of this Committee at least five times. Senators, please know we 
appreciate your commitment to Indian Country, and the kind attention 
you give to the Lumbee people again today.
    It is with great pride that I also highlight the work of the senior 
Senator from North Carolina, Senator Thom Tillis, who has been tireless 
in his efforts on behalf of the Lumbee Fairness Act. Together with 
Senator Ted Budd, they have again done the honorable and important work 
of sponsoring and championing full Federal recognition for the Lumbee 
Tribe. They follow in the bipartisan footsteps of North Carolina 
Senators Terry Sanford, Elizabeth Dole and Richard Burr, who during 
their terms introduced legislation for our Tribe a total of thirteen 
times before passing the baton in succession to each other, and now to 
Senators Tillis and Budd.
    We will never forget what these proud North Carolinians have done 
for the Lumbee people; they have our people's everlasting gratitude. 
Based in no small part on their work, today, S.107 enjoys wide 
bipartisan support from the nineteen Republican and Democratic co-
sponsors of this important legislation, and we are so grateful to each 
of them.
    As you know, the House of Representatives has once again acted on 
the House version of our legislation. Championed by our Congressman 
David Rouzer, and enjoying bipartisan sponsorship from nearly all of 
the North Carolina delegation, H.R. 474 was added as an amendment to 
the House's Fiscal Year 2026 National Defense Authorization Act.
    Today I am here as a direct descendant of Solomon Locklear, Sr., 
who was one of the 44 tribal leaders who signed a petition to Congress 
in 1888 asking the United States to recognize our Tribe, a crucial 
predicate to obtaining Federal funding to educate our Lumbee children. 
One hundred and thirty-seven years later, I am here again on the same 
business as my ancestors--to seek from Congress justice and the equal 
treatment of the Lumbee people through full Federal recognition. Seated 
immediately behind me are representatives of the Lumbee Honor Guard, 
all veterans of the United States armed forces. The Lumbee Honor Guard 
reflects my people's patriotism and love of country so fundamental to 
who we are as a people. We ask our country, in return, to do right by 
the Lumbee Tribe.
Lumbee Tribal Community and History
    Home for us is the area in and around what is now Robeson County, 
North Carolina. This has been our home since the time of European 
contact when we were forced to take refuge in the swamps of Robeson 
County to find protection from ever-increasing encroachment from non-
Indian settlement. We have been there ever since. Many of you have 
visited our home, and for those that have not, we urge you to meet our 
tribal members and experience this vital part of Indian Country.
    Our roughly 60,000 enrolled members all directly descend from 
historical lists of tribal members that date back to the early 1900s. 
Our kinship ties to one another define our people. All of our people 
maintain close ties and live in communities--what you might call 
neighborhoods--that are composed of nearly all Lumbee residents. Most 
of our people attend schools and churches that are mostly Lumbee and 
marry other Lumbees. We have historic Lumbee institutions in our 
community that reinforce these community ties. For example, we have 
church conferences that consist of all Lumbee churches, such as the 
Burnt Swamp Baptist Association, which was formed around the turn of 
the twentieth century. There is also a separate Methodist conference 
for our Indian churches.
    Our tribal government is organized according to our tribal 
constitution. We have a Chairperson elected by the Lumbee citizenry, 
and a Tribal Council composed of 21 tribal representatives elected from 
districts within our territory. We live and exercise tribal authority, 
independence and self-governance. We are a fiercely independent people, 
with a very long history as a cohesive, self-governing community. We 
have protected our community in part by organizing and exercising our 
influence in local offices that affect our people on a day-to-day 
basis. Lumbees serve in all levels of local government--as county 
commissioners, on the board of education, as superior court and 
district court judges, and district attorneys. The Town of Pembroke, 
which is the heart of Lumbee territory, has a Lumbee mayor and all-
Lumbee town council. \1\ The Chancellor at the University of North 
Carolina is also Lumbee. \2\
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    \1\ The Town of Pembroke was incorporated in 1895. But at that 
time, it was singled out as the only incorporated town where the 
Governor appointed the mayor and other leaders. All those appointees 
were non-Indians. Our Lumbee warriors returning from World War II 
refused to accept this situation. In 1945, State law was changed under 
pressure of Lumbee people to allow for election of these positions. 
Ever since, the Town of Pembroke leadership has been all Lumbee.
    \2\ The University began as ``the Indian Normal School,'' and was 
designated by the State of North Carolina as an historically American 
Indian university in 2005. General Assembly of North Carolina, Session 
2005, Sess. Law 2005-153, Bill 371.
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    There is one other important thing to know about our people. Our 
community is dedicated to ensuring the best possible education for our 
children. Shortly after the Lumbee Tribe was formally recognized by the 
State of North Carolina in 1885, the State authorized the Tribe to run 
its own school district for our children. Tribal leaders controlled it 
completely and enrollment was limited to Lumbee children only. Two 
years later, the State authorized an ``Indian normal school'' to train 
teachers for our Indian schools, but provided no money for construction 
of facilities. This why in 1888 our tribal leaders approached Congress 
to request that the Federal government recognize the Tribe and by doing 
so provide Federal funding for education.
    In the absence of Federal funding, tribal members pooled their 
resources and built their own Indian normal school to train Lumbee 
teachers for our Lumbee run school system. The Indian normal school 
evolved over time and eventually became the University of North 
Carolina at Pembroke--a remarkable achievement by any standard. So even 
though our efforts to obtain Federal Indian education assistance 
failed, our dedication to the education of our children persisted. In 
fact, the Tribe operated its own Indian schools and the Indian normal 
school until the mid-1970s, when a Federal judge ordered the 
desegregation of our schools because the Tribe was not Federally 
recognized.
    Lumbee Tribal community and history also have been the subject of 
extensive professional research and is well-documented by a host of 
doctorate-level and legal experts. I am attaching to my testimony today 
the Prepared Statement of Dr. Fred Hoxie, who along with various other 
experts, like Dr. Jack Campisi, have testified before Congress on 
multiple occasions confirming the Lumbee Tribe's status as a tribe 
deserving of federal recognition. I am also honored to be joined in 
this hearing today by the United States' foremost legal expert on 
federal recognition, Ms. Arlinda Locklear, who I am proud to say is 
also a member of the Lumbee Tribe. Ms. Locklear will testify in much 
greater detail about the immense amount of documented scholarship 
verifying the vitality and continued existence of our community.
    Respectfully, I say all of this to demonstrate that the Lumbee are 
a vibrant, productive, proud people, and we have dealt with the same 
problems as other Indian communities. We have not only survived, we 
stand strong. We are well known in Indian Country. We are the largest 
tribe east of the Mississippi River and the largest non-Federally 
recognized tribe in the country and our people have served this country 
and Indian Country in the military, as educators, doctors, lawyers, and 
business people.
Passage of the Lumbee Fairness Act is Very Long Overdue
    As both this Committee and the House of Representatives committee 
of jurisdiction have well documented, congressional efforts to extend 
formal recognition to the Lumbee Tribe stretch back to 1899. \3\ These 
proposed Federal bills generally followed the terms of the most recent 
State legislation recognizing the Tribe but none was enacted until 
Congress passed the Lumbee Act of 1956. \4\
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    \3\ Senate Report No. 111-116, 111th Cong., 2d Sess; House Report 
No. 111-103, 111th Cong., 1st Sess.
    \4\ The State recognized the Tribe as Croatan in 1885, as Indians 
of Robeson County in 1911, as Cherokees of Robeson County in 1913, and 
as Lumbee in 1953. The final name change was the only one requested by 
the Lumbee Tribe, following a referendum conducted by the State. Up 
until that point, the Tribe has simply followed whatever name the State 
imposed so that it could continue to maintain control of its State 
authorized school district.
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    Unfortunately, this enactment occurred at the height of the Federal 
Indian termination era, when the Federal government was actively 
terminating tribes' special legal relationship with the United States. 
As introduced in 1955, the bill was once again intended to recognize 
the Tribe on the same terms by which the State had most recently 
confirmed its recognition of the Tribe. But the bill was amended in the 
Senate before enactment to include termination language. Thus, while 
the 1956 Act designated the Tribe as Lumbee Indians, it went on to 
provide ``nothing in this Act shall make such Indians eligible for any 
services performed by the United States for Indians because of their 
status as Indians, and none of the statutes of the United States which 
affect Indians because of their status as Indian shall be applicable to 
the Lumbee Indians.'' 70 Stat. 254.
    Sadly, at the time the Lumbee Indians thought that we had been 
recognized and so we celebrated--oral tradition tells us that the 
streets of Pembroke were closed for a tribal-wide celebration. \5\ But 
instead of clarifying the status of the Tribe, the 1956 Lumbee Act 
caused confusion and effectively has relegated the Tribe to ``second 
class'' status. For example, at various times, lawyers at the 
Department of the Interior have interpreted the 1956 Lumbee Act as 
prohibiting administrative action to clarify the Tribe's status, and at 
other times, they argued the opposite. However lawyers might interpret 
the 1956 Lumbee Act, the reality is that the Tribe never received 
Federal Indian services or enjoyed the protective reach of Federal 
Indian statutes.
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    \5\ Because of the history of State recognition under various 
names, tribal members viewed the ``giving of a name'' as recognition. 
Even today, older tribal members who inquire about the pending bill 
will sometimes ask when Congress will give the Tribe its name.
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    The bottom line is this: only Congress can for all time and for all 
purposes resolve this uncertainty with the Lumbee Fairness Act. The 
1956 Lumbee Act is now 70 years old. It is long past time to rectify 
the injustice it has inflicted on our Tribe and our people.
Broad Support for Lumbee Recognition in Indian Country
    The Lumbee Tribe is honored to have broad support throughout Indian 
Country for full Federal recognition of the Tribe. Altogether, more 
than two hundred tribes have expressed support. This includes large 
tribal organizations, such as the Alaska Federation of Natives, with a 
membership of 186 tribes, and the Midwest Alliance of Sovereign Tribes, 
with a membership of 35 tribes. It also includes approximately 20 
individual tribes that have adopted resolutions of support. These 
supportive tribes represent all regions of Indian Country. For example, 
the Blackfeet Tribe from Montana, Jamestown S'Klallum Tribe from 
Washington State, the Jamul Indian Village of California, Hopi Tribe 
from Arizona, Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, and Oneida Nation from 
Wisconsin all support Lumbee recognition. The long list of support also 
includes tribes which are members of United Southern and Eastern Tribes 
(USET), such as the Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Nation (Connecticut), 
the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe (Massachusetts), the Pamunkey Indian Tribe 
(Virginia), the Catawba Indian Nation (South Carolina), and the Tunica-
Biloxi Tribe of Louisiana.
    The Eastern Band of Cherokee, which for generations has jealously 
guarded its position as the only federally recognized tribe in North 
Carolina, has long waged a vicious campaign against Lumbee recognition 
based on mistruths. While the Eastern Band has urged some other tribes 
to join in their opposition, the reality is that theopposition has been 
wildly overstated. For example, Eastern Band has argued that all 35 
tribal members of USET oppose Lumbee recognition--but this is 
demonstrably untrue, as Lumbee has received from eight individual USET 
Tribes letters and resolutions explicitly supporting the Lumbee 
legislation. Not only that, Eastern Band's claim of USET opposition was 
based on a USET resolution that supported the administrative 
acknowledgment process, but which did not oppose Lumbee recognition or 
even explicitly reference the Lumbee Tribe. This is, at best, a 
misrepresentation about those tribes' positions.
    When letters and resolutions are fairly and closely read, it 
becomes clear that the majority of tribes that have expressly taken a 
position on recognition of the Lumbee Tribe support recognition. In the 
end, though, a fair and just Indian policy does not depend upon a head 
count in Indian Country. It depends upon equal treatment for all Indian 
tribes and the Lumbee Fairness Act is built upon this principle.
There is No Sound Reason to Oppose the Lumbee Fairness Act
    Some people have urged that the Lumbee Tribe should be made to go 
through the administrative recognition process. But Congress has never 
imposed this on tribes in a position like the Lumbee Tribe--instead, 
Congress has enacted recognition or restoration legislation. The best 
example is the Tiwas of Texas. Just as the Lumbees were recognized by 
the State of North Carolina, the Tiwas had been long recognized by the 
State of Texas. But in 1968, Congress enacted legislation to transfer 
any Federal responsibility to the State and included termination 
language--in fact, the legislative history of the 1968 shows that it 
was modeled on the 1956 Lumbee Act. 82 Stat. 93. In 1987, Congress 
enacted remedial legislation to restore Federal responsibility for the 
Tiwas and recognize them as the Ysleta del Sur Pueblo. 101 Stat. 667. 
It is long overdue for Congress to do the same for the Lumbee Tribe by 
enacting the Lumbee Fairness Act.
    Some people alleged that the origins of the Lumbee Tribe are 
unknown and therefore Congress should not recognize the Tribe. This is 
just not true. In response to one of the many bills to recognize the 
Indians of Robeson County as ``Siouan Indians of Lumber River,'' 
Senator Wheeler, Chairman of the Committee on Indian Affairs in 1934, 
asked the opinion of Dr. John Swanton on the origins of the Lumbee 
Tribe. Senate Report No. 204, 73d Cong., 2d Sess. Dr. Swanton was the 
most well-known and respected anthropologist in the field of American 
Indian studies. Dr. Swanton researched the question and concluded that 
the Robeson County Indians descend from the aboriginal Cheraw Indians, 
along with remnants of other Siouan speaking tribes.
    Other historical data support Dr. Swanton's conclusion. A 1725 map 
showed that at the time of sustained European contact, there was a 
Cheraw Indian community located on Drowning Creek. A 1771 document 
lists names of the ``Charraw Settlement'' and the list included classic 
Lumbee names, such as Sweat, Groom, Locklear, Chavis and Dees. The 1790 
census identifies families with these same names residing around 
Drowning Creek, and modern-day Lumbees can trace genealogical descent 
from those families. In 1809, the State of North Carolina enacted 
legislation to change the name of Drowning Creek to the Lumber River. 
NC Public Laws of 1809, Chap. XXXII. This is the very same river where 
Lumbees reside today. It is from the Lumber River that we derived our 
name, and the same river after which our name was acknowledged by the 
State of North Carolina in 1953 and by the Congress in 1956. Congress 
has known of our origins since at least 1934, and likely even earlier. 
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    \6\ In a 1915 report to Congress, Special Indian Agent O.M. 
McPherson conducted a thorough review of the historical record, noted 
other historical possibilities, but also identified Cheraw as the 
probable origin of the State recognized Croatan Indians. Senate 
Document No. 677, 63d Cong., 3d Sess., at 23.
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    Some have argued that making Lumbees eligible for Federal Indian 
services will cost too much, or that the budget for those services may 
reduce the services for other recognized tribes in the Eastern Region, 
Bureau of Indian Affairs. Not only inaccurate, this is the most unjust 
reason of all to oppose the Lumbee Fairness Act. It is simply beneath 
the dignity of other tribes even to suggest that Federal recognition of 
a deserving Tribe should depend upon cost to the federal government. 
And it is factually inaccurate to suggest that the cost of Lumbee 
services will impact the level of services for other tribes in the 
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    \7\ As a state recognized tribe, the Lumbees already receive 
Federal funding from several Federal agencies, including Housing & 
Urban Development, Department of Energy, Department of Education, which 
means that enactment of S. 107 would impact only the Bureau of Indian 
Affairs at the Department of interior and Indian Health Services at 
Health and Human Services. And these agencies have processes for 
bringing on so-called new tribes into their programs, processes that 
protect the services of other recognized tribes. The Bureau of Indian 
Affairs has a three-year process for this purpose, at the end of which 
the newly recognized tribe receives services when Congress provides 
appropriations for that purpose. Similarly, the Indian Health Service 
brings new tribes into its budget process in a way that guarantees 
those tribes will receive services when Congress explicitly 
appropriates funding for those services. Finally, there are regulatory 
guardrails in place that protect the existing budgets for Federally 
recognized tribes. See 25 C.F.R.  900.19 (Secretary must provide full 
amount of funds set out in self-determination contracts with tribes); 
25 C.F.R.   1000.501, 1000.671 A self-governing compact is an 
enforceable contract under which Secretary must provide all funds for 
which the compact contracts.
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    In sum, I am sad to say that in my opinion, all of these 
allegations are beneath the dignity of the tribal leaders who have made 
them.
Conclusion
    We Lumbees are now in the seventh generation of efforts to achieve 
full Federal recognition. In many tribal traditions, Native people plan 
for their future for the next seven generations. In our case, we extend 
gratitude and honor to our last seven generations for having kept the 
faith, for focusing on the future, for teaching us the values that have 
enabled us to endure, and for getting us to this moment in history when 
we are so close to full Federal recognition from the United States.
    I urge you to support our effort and to join us in this righteous 
cause. Thank you Chairwoman Murkowski, Vice Chairman Schatz, and 
members of this vitally important Committee for your consideration of 
our situation and support of the Lumbee Fairness Act. I am happy to 
answer any questions you or the committee members might have.

    The Chairman. We will include that as part of the record. 
Thank you, Chairman Lowery.
    Ms. Locklear, welcome.

    STATEMENT OF ARLINDA LOCKLEAR, ESQ., SPECIAL COUNSEL ON 
          RECOGNITION, LUMBEE TRIBE OF NORTH CAROLINA

    Ms. Locklear. Thank you very much. We appreciate the 
opportunity to speak again today. My name is Arlinda Locklear. 
I have been an attorney working with the tribe on this effort 
since 1988. So I have been at it for a few of those time that 
the Chairman has referred to, as well as other witnesses today.
    We have had multiple hearings and multiple opportunities to 
act and to give justice to the Lumbee people since 1899, when 
the first Federal legislation was introduced. All of those 
bills have failed. And let me tell you, that has been a 
heartbreaking process for the Lumbee people.
    But we owe a vote of thanks to this Committee in 
particular, because as a result of that process, you have 
developed the richest record that exists for any non-federally 
recognized tribe in this Country. We have a record that allows 
you to proceed with the enactment of S. 107 with full 
confidence that by doing so, you would extend full Federal 
recognition to a tribe that truly exists as such.
    The most important document that is in that long, rich 
record is a report that was asked for, sought by this 
Committee, and submitted in 1915 by Special Indian Agent O.M. 
McPherson. We have particularly his record, which I have with 
me today, as well as the testimony of multiple expert witness 
over the last 100 years that give you the body of evidence to 
prove tribal existence.
    I think it is worth noting the quality of the experts and 
the preeminence of their appearance here and the testimony that 
they provided in support of Federal recognition. We are honored 
to include among that group Dr. Jack Campisi, who has probably 
authored more petitions in the administrative process than any 
other expert. We include also Dr. Sturtevant, who was the 
general editor for the authoritative Smithsonian Handbook of 
North American Indians.
    We include among that group Dr. Ray Fogelson, who is no 
longer with us, but Dr. Fogelson was the editor for the 
Southeast Volume in particular of the Smithsonian Handbook of 
North American Indians. And we count among those experts Vine 
Deloria, who spoke eloquently in 1988 to this Committee in 
particular about political authority.
    What I would like to do this afternoon is summarize very 
briefly what the characteristics of tribal existence are, and 
give you confidence in the record that you have already that 
establishes those criteria. In a Supreme Court decision in 1901 
called Montoya v. The United States, the Supreme Court gave us 
guidance as to what an Indian tribe is. The Supreme Court 
indicated that an Indian tribe consists of a body of Indians of 
the same race, factor number one, who are united in a community 
in a particular territory, factor number two, and who are 
united under one leadership or government, factor number three.
    A few years later, in 1913, the Supreme Court spoke in 
United States v. Sandoval. And in that opinion, the Court went 
to great lengths to confirm this body's penultimate authority 
to make the decision on establishing a formal government-to-
government relationship with an Indian tribe. It noted that 
that authority is limited only to those groups that are 
``distinctly Indian communities.''
    So we have some indication of what those criteria are. I 
would like to speak very briefly to those with regard to 
Lumbee.
    First, a body of Indians. Your record, beginning with the 
1915 McPherson report and continuing to today, establishes that 
there is a single related body of Indians residing in Robeson 
and adjoining counties who call themselves Lumbee, and I will 
note for the record have done so informally, even before the 
adoption of formal State recognition, since the early 1920s. 
That has been the name we have chosen for ourselves.
    Second, these folks are united in a community occupying a 
particular territory. They are so united in a community that 
even today more than 60 percent of modern day enrolled members 
are married to other Lumbees. They attend all-Lumbee schools, 
they attend all-Lumbee churches, and their primary interaction 
is among other Lumbees.
    They also occupy a territory that they have been in since 
the time of first sustained white contact in the early 1700s. 
And that is Robeson and adjoining counties. That is home. And 
the record establishes, your record, that more than 50 percent 
of the enrolled members of the tribe reside today in that 
traditional territory.
    Finally, leadership. Many of the events that the chairman 
spoke about demonstrate the effectiveness and the repeated 
assertion of independence that the long record of political 
authority shows among the Lumbee people.
    In this regard, let me highlight the testimony that you 
received in 1988 from Vine Deloria, who spoke eloquently about 
the form of leadership at Lumbee. He noted that more than any 
other federally-recognized tribe the form of leadership at 
Lumbee is more like the traditional form of leadership that 
existed before the adoption of the IRA and before the formation 
of formal tribal governments. That is what leadership among 
indigenous communities looks like, and it still exists at 
Lumbee today.
    Finally, let me say a word about, very quickly, the 
administrative process. These facts and criteria and evidence 
that I have summarized for you indicate that under those 
criteria, we have established what they refer to as high 
evidence of tribal existence. The concentration of membership 
within a defined territory, Robeson and adjoining counties, and 
the high in-marriage rate themselves, those two factors are 
considered to be conclusive evidence of tribal existence in 
those regulations.
    So you have the evidence before you. We urge you to act, 
and we think you can do so, again, with full confidence that 
you are recognizing a true Indian community.
    Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Locklear follows:]

   Prepared Statement of Arlinda Locklear, Esq., Special Counsel on 
              Recognition, Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina
    Chairwoman Murkowski, Vice-Chairman Schatz, and members of the 
Committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear in support of S.107, 
the Lumbee Fairness Act. My name is Arlinda Locklear. I have been 
involved as an attorney for the Tribe in its effort to obtain federal 
recognition since March 1988. I am also an enrolled member of the 
Lumbee Tribe. \1\
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    \1\ In addition to work on behalf of my own Tribe, it has been my 
honor to represent other non-federally recognized tribes for decades in 
the worthy work for federal recognition (before the Congress as well as 
the Department of the Interior), including the Miami Nation of Indiana, 
the Brothertown Nation of Wisconsin, the Gay Head Tribe of 
Massachusetts, and the Tunica-Biloxi Tribe and United Houma Indian 
Nation of Louisiana. The recognition work has been a major part of my 
work throughout my career.
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    Let me start with explaining how I came to be the Tribe's attorney 
in this effort. This story illustrates the strength of the Lumbee 
community and the Lumbee people's insistence upon their independence as 
a self-governing tribe. Robeson County is the heart of the Lumbee 
community. Even though our community constitutes nearly 40 percent of 
the population of the county, including a number of practicing 
attorneys, our community had never had a Lumbee Superior Court Judge 
before 1988. So when the State created a new superior court judge 
position for the county, the Lumbee people were determined that one of 
our own should be elected to that position. At that time, a prominent 
member of the Tribe (and a good friend) named Julian Pierce was 
Director of the Indian legal services office in the community. In that 
capacity, Mr. Pierce had overseen the research relating to and 
submission of a Lumbee petition for federal recognition under the 
administrative acknowledgment process in 1987. Mr. Pierce then resigned 
and ran for the newly created Superior Court judge position. To our 
great sadness, Mr. Pierce was murdered after the nomination process had 
closed but before the election. When the State of North Carolina 
refused to reopen the nomination process for that judgeship, the Lumbee 
people mobilized, resulting in Mr. Pierce's election to the judgeship 
even though he could not serve. The Lumbee people kept the pressure on 
an embarrassed State and, soon after the election, another new 
judgeship was created and a Lumbee Indian was appointed to the 
position. We have routinely elected Lumbees as judges in the county 
ever since.
    With the loss of Mr. Pierce, I was honored to step into Mr. 
Pierce's shoes to continue the work on federal recognition. I speak to 
you today based on forty years of experience with the issue since. 
Lumbee history is a long and remarkable one, but I will focus on a few 
features of our history and experience that demonstrate the Tribe's 
unique claim to federal recognition and other circumstances that 
reflect the simple justice of the Tribe's pursuit of equal treatment as 
a self-governing native community.
Early Lumbee Efforts to Achieve Federal Recognition
    The Lumbee Tribe began its effort to obtain federal recognition 
soon after formal recognition of the Tribe by the State of North 
Carolina in 1885. The 1885 state legislation recognized the Tribe under 
the name Croatan Indians of Robeson County, \2\ authorized the Tribe to 
establish separate schools for its children, provided a pro rata share 
of county school funds for the Tribe's schools, and authorized the 
Tribe to control hiring for the schools and eligibility of students to 
attend the schools. \3\ North Carolina General Assembly 1885, chap. 51. 
Two years later, tribal leaders sought and obtained State legislation 
authorizing the creation of an Indian ``normal school'', i.e., a school 
dedicated to training Indian teachers for the Lumbee schools. North 
Carolina General Assembly 1887, chap, 254. But because the Indian 
normal school was badly underfunded, the Lumbee Tribe petitioned 
Congress in 1888 for Federal Indian education assistance. For the 
Committee members' information, the Tribe has on display a picture 
showing the Indian Normal School students around 1920.
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    \2\ The Croatan name was offered up by Mr. McMillan, a member of 
the State legislature who considered himself an amateur historian. It 
was not a name sought by the Tribe.
    \3\ The Tribe jealously defended its authority to control 
enrollment into its schools. In 1913, the State Attorney General opined 
that the Robeson County Board of Education could overrule enrollment 
decisions made by the Tribe. The Tribe refused to accept this 
limitation; it sought and obtained a special act from the North 
Carolina Legislature overturning the Attorney General's opinion and 
restoring tribal authority. North Carolina General Assembly 1919, chap. 
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    The 1888 Lumbee petition to Congress was signed by fifty-four (54) 
tribal leaders, including one of Chairman Lowery's ancestors. The 
petition sought Federal assistance for the then-named Croatan Indians 
in general and funding for the Tribe's schools in particular. A copy of 
this petition is on display for the Committee members' information. 
Congress referred the petition to the Department of the Interior, which 
investigated the Tribe's history and relations with the State. Citing 
the federal policy of encouraging states to assume responsibility for 
educating Indian children and the shortage of funding, the Commissioner 
of Indian Affairs denied the request for funding in 1890. Shortly 
thereafter, the Tribe began its quest to receive federal recognition 
more directly through federal legislation.
    In 1899, the first bill was introduced in Congress to appropriate 
funds to educate the Croatan Indian children. H.R.4009, 56th Cong., 1st 
Sess. Similar bills were introduced in 1910 (H.R 4.19036, 61st Cong., 
2d Sess.) and 1911 (S. 3258, 62nd Cong., 1st Sess.) In 1913, the House 
of Representatives Committee on Indian Affairs held a hearing on 
S.3258, where the Senate sponsor of the bill reviewed the history of 
the Tribe and concluded that the Lumbees, still called Croatans, had 
``maintained their race integrity and their tribal characteristics.'' 
Hearing before the Committee on Indian Affairs, House of 
Representatives, on S. 3258, Feb. 14, 1913. In response to the same 
bill, the Department of the Interior dispatched C.F. Pierce, Supervisor 
of Indian Schools, to conduct an investigation of the Tribe. Pierce 
reviewed the Tribe's history, acknowledged their Indian ancestry and 
the strength of their community, but recommended against federal 
assistance:

         It is the avowed policy of the Government to require the 
        states having an Indian population to assume the burden & 
        responsibility for their education as soon as possible. North 
        Carolina, like the State of New York, has a well organized plan 
        for the education of Indians within her borders, and I can see 
        no justification for any interference or aid, on the part of 
        the Government in either case. Should an appropriation be made 
        for the Croatans, it would establish a precedent for the 
        Catawbas of S.C., the Alabamas of Texas, the Tuscaroras of 
        N.Y., as well as for other scattering tribes that are now cared 
        for by the various states.

        All the other tribes mentioned by Pierce have since been 
        recognized by the United States.

    In 1914, the Senate directed the Secretary of the Interior to 
investigate the condition and tribal rights of the Lumbee Indians and 
report thereon to Congress. S.Res. 410, 63d Cong., 2d Sess. The 
Secretary assigned Special Indian Agent O.M. McPherson to conduct the 
investigation. According to the Secretary's letter transmitting the 
McPherson Report to the President of the Senate, McPherson conducted 
``a careful investigation on the ground as well as extensive historical 
research.'' The report covered all aspects of the Tribe's history and 
condition, running 252 pages in length. Indians of North Carolina, 63rd 
Cong., 3d Sess., Doc.No. 677. McPherson's report again confirmed the 
tribal characteristics of the Lumbee Indians but Congress took no 
action on the McPherson report.
    In 1924, yet another bill was introduced in Congress to recognize 
the Lumbee Indians now under the name of Cherokee Indians of Robeson 
County, mimicking a name that had recently been applied to the Tribe 
thought State legislation. H.R.8083, 68th Cong., 1st Sess. This bill 
failed and in 1932 a very nearly identical bill was introduced in the 
Senate. S. 4595, 72d Cong., 1st Sess. This bill failed as well.
    In 1933, a federal bill was introduced that was nearly identical to 
the prior two bills, except that it directed that the previously 
designated Croatan Indians ``shall hereafter be designated Cheraw 
Indians and shall be recognized and enrolled as such...'' H.R. 5365, 
73d Cong., 1st Sess. In his statement at the hearing on the bill, the 
Secretary of the Interior attached an opinion of the eminent Dr. John 
Swanton, a specialist on southeastern Indians with the Smithsonian 
Institution Bureau of Ethnology, which concluded that the previously 
named Croatan Indians actually descended from Cheraw and other related 
Siouan speaking tribes. The Secretary recommended that the broader 
linguistic name of Siouan be used as the tribal designation for the 
Tribe, but also recommended that Congress include termination language 
because of the expense of providing Federal Indian services to the 
Tribe. Rep.No. 1752, House of Representatives, 73d Cong., 2d Sess. The 
committee adopted the change proposed by the Secretary and reported the 
bill out favorably, but the bill was not enacted. The following year, 
the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs took the same action on an 
identical bill in the Senate, S. 1632, but there was no further action 
on the bill. S. Rep.204, 73d Cong., 2d Sess.
    These numerous federal bills between 1899 and 1934 to recognize the 
Tribe under various name have a common and clear legislative purpose, 
i.e., to recognize the Tribe on the same terms as the most recent State 
legislation recognizing the Tribe. The 1899 federal bill would have 
recognized the Tribe as Croatan, just as the State had done in 1885. 
The 1911 federal bill would have recognized the Tribe as the Indians of 
Robeson County, just as the State had done in a 1911 amendment to its 
law. North Carolina General Assembly1911, chap. 215. The 1913 federal 
bill would have recognized the Tribe as Cherokee, just as the State had 
done in a 1913 amendment to its law. North Carolina General Assembly 
1913, chap. 123. Indeed, a committee report on the 1913 federal bill 
explicitly acknowledged that the federal bill was intended to extend 
federal recognition on the same terms as the amended state law. Rep.No. 
826, House of Representatives, 68th Cong., 1st Sess. Thus, the North 
Carolina Congressional delegation consistently followed the lead of 
North Carolina in its deliberations on the Tribe's status and clearly 
intended to recognize the Tribe in the various bills.
    In 1934, Congress inaugurated a new policy for Indian Country with 
the enactment of the Indian Reorganization Act (IRA). Among other 
things, the IRA authorized half-blood Indians not then recognized to 
organize and adopt a tribal constitution, thereby becoming federally 
recognized. The Lumbee leadership wrote to the Commissioner of Indian 
Affairs, inquiring whether the IRA applied to the Lumbees. The inquiry 
was referred to the then Associate Solicitor Felix Cohen, who advised 
that the Lumbees could organize under the IRA if some members of the 
Tribe were certified as one-half or more Indian blood. The Tribe 
immediately asked the Department to make that inquiry and the 
Department dispatched Dr. Carl Seltzer, a physical anthropologist, to 
Robeson County for that purpose. 209 Lumbees agreed to submit to 
Seltzer's examination. Out of those examined, Dr. Seltzer certified 22 
members as one-half or more Indian blood and eligible to organize under 
the IRA. The science behind physical anthropology has since been 
thoroughly discredited and the Lumbee experience bears out the wholly 
unreliable nature of the alleged science. In several instances, for 
example, full siblings were examined by Dr. Seltzer but with differing 
outcomes--one sibling was designated as one half or more while the 
other sibling was not. This effort by the Lumbee Tribe also failed 
ultimately. \4\
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    \4\ In the early 1970's, the survivors of the 22 certified half-
bloods asked for the services to which they were entitled under the 
IRA. The Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) declined, interpreting the 1956 
Lumbee Act as cutting off any rights that might arise under the IRA. 
Ultimately, the D.C. Court of Appeals rejected this interpretation of 
the 1956 Lumbee Act. Maynor v. Morton, 510 F.2d 1254 (D.C. Cir. 1975). 
The surviving half-bloods then received BIA housing assistance but the 
BIA declined to take land into trust for them, a necessary precondition 
to organizing under the IRA.
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    While these legislative and administrative efforts failed to 
achieve the Tribe's goal of federal recognition, they nonetheless 
produced a remarkable and unique federal record documenting the Tribe 
and its community. As of a consequence of the half dozen bills 
introduced between 1899 and 1934 to recognize the Lumbee Tribe, four 
substantial reports were conducted by federal Indian agents into the 
Lumbee Tribe, its history, and community. All confirmed the tribal 
ancestry and distinct community with strong leadership of the Lumbee 
Tribe. But they also opposed the extension of federal Indian statutes 
and services to the Tribe because of federal policy to insist that 
states assume the responsibility for educating Indian children or 
limited federal appropriations.
The 1956 Lumbee Act
    Because of the mounting historical evidence compiled in Congress' 
deliberations on its recognition bills, including the McPherson report 
and the Swanton opinion, the Indians of Robeson County grew disgruntled 
with their designation under State law as Cherokees of Robeson County. 
Under pressure from the Tribe, the State of North Carolina conducted a 
referendum among the tribal members in 1952 on the tribal name. The 
choice was between adopting the name Lumbee \5\ or maintaining the 
State designation as Cherokees of Robeson County. The results were 
clear: 2,109 members chose to be known by their own name Lumbee and 
only 35 members chose maintain the State designation as Cherokee. To 
its credit, the State of North Carolina once again amended its law in 
1953 to recognize the Tribe as Lumbee Indians of Robeson and adjoining 
counties. North Carolina General Assembly 1953, chap. 874.
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    \5\ The name Lumbee had been informally used by the Tribe for 
decades by this time. The earliest recorded use of the name is in a 
1926 article referring to the Tribe as such in the Raleigh News and 
Observer, a newspaper founded in 1865 with the widest distribution in 
the State.
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    As it had always done, once again the Tribe prevailed upon its 
congressional delegation to introduce the identical bill into Congress 
to recognize the Tribe on the same terms as the State. The Federal bill 
passed without amendment in the House of Representatives and was sent 
to the Senate. There, the Department of the Interior objected again 
based on its effort to avoid fedderal financial obligations:

         We are therefore unable to recommend that the Congress take 
        any action which might ultimate result in the imposition of 
        additional obligations on the Federal Government or in placing 
        additional persons of Indian blood under the jurisdiction of 
        this Department. The persons who constitute this group of 
        Indians have been recognized and designated as Indians by the 
        State legislature. If they are not completely satisfied with 
        such recognition, they, as citizens of the State, may petition 
        the legislature to amend or otherwise to change that 
        recognition. . .if your committee should recommend the 
        enactment of the bill, it should be amended to indicate clearly 
        that it does not make these persons eligible for services 
        provided through the Bureau of Indian Affairs to other Indians.

    (Emphasis added.) The Senate committee adopted the Secretary's 
recommendation so that when the bill was enacted into law, it contained 
classic termination language: ``Nothing in this Act shall make such 
Indians eligible for any services performed by the United States for 
Indians because of their status as Indians, and none of the statutes of 
the United States which affect Indians because of their status as 
Indian shall be applicable to the Lumbee Indians.'' Pub. L. 570, Act of 
June 7, 1956, 70 Stat. 254.
The Impact of the 1956 Act--Confusion and Limbo
    Since 1956, federal agencies and courts have construed the Lumbee 
Act in different ways. In 1970, the Joint Economic Committee of 
Congress described the Lumbee as having been officially recognized by 
the act, although not granted federal services. American Indians: Facts 
and Future, Toward Economic Development for Native American 
Communities, p. 34 (GPO 1970). Also in 1970, the Legislative Reference 
Service of the Library of Congress described the 1956 Lumbee Act as 
legislative recognition of an Indian people. Memorandum, April 10, 
1970, LRS, Library of Congress. And in 1979, the Comptroller General 
ruled that the 1956 Act left the Lumbees' status unchanged, i.e., it 
neither recognized the Tribe nor terminated the Tribe's eligibility for 
services it might otherwise receive. The only court to construe the Act 
concluded that it designated the group as Lumbee Indians but did not 
take away individual rights that had been bestowed by previous 
legislation such as the IRA. Maynor v. Morton, above.
    The Congressional Research Service (CRS) thoroughly reviewed the 
history and various interpretations of the 1956 Lumbee Act in 1988. It 
did so in response to a request from the Senate Select Committee on 
Indian Affairs, which had H.R.1426 under consideration at the time, a 
bill to provide federal recognition to the Tribe. The CRS concluded as 
follows:

         The 1956 Lumbee legislation clearly did not establish 
        entitlement of the Lumbee Indians for federal services. It also 
        clearly named the group and denominated them as Indians. 
        Without a court decision squarely confronting the issue of 
        whether the 1956 statute confers federal recognition on the 
        Lumbee, there is insufficient documentation to determine if the 
        statute effects federal recognition of the Lumbees. It is, 
        however, a step toward recognition and would be a factor that 
        either the Department of the Interior or a court would have to 
        weigh along with others to determine whether the Lumbees are 
        entitled to federal recognition.

    Memorandum dated September 28, 1988, reprinted in S.Rep.No.100-579, 
100th Cong., 2d Sess. Finally, the Solicitor's Office at the Department 
of the Interior has also taken varying views on the Act, concluding in 
1989 that the Act precluded the Tribe from participating in the 
administrative acknowledgment process, but finding otherwise in 2016. 
M-37040, Reconsideration of the Lumbee Act of 1956, Dec. 22, 2016. 
Whatever its ambiguity and however it might be construed, the 1956 
Lumbee Act is clearly ``a step toward recognition,'' one that Congress 
took following repeated consideration of the Tribe, its history, and 
its community. Yet, Congress has not completed the process of 
recognition.
    Congress imposed legislation like the 1956 Lumbee Act on only one 
other occasion. In 1968, Congress enacted legislation for the state 
recognized Tiwas of Texas, legislation that designated the Tiwas as 
Indian, transferred any federal responsibility for the tribe to the 
state, and included termination language. 82 Stat. 93. The Senate 
Committee specifically noted in its report on the 1968 Tiwa Act that 
the bill was ``modeled after the act of June 7, 1956 (70 Stat. 254), 
which relates to the Lumbee Indians of North Carolina.'' S.Rep.No.1070, 
99th Cong., 2d Sess. Because of this unique circumstance, Congress 
enacted legislation in 1987 extending full federal recognition to the 
Tiwas of Texas, recognized by Congress as the Ysleta del Sur Pueblo of 
Texas. Pub.L. 100-89, 101 Stat. 667. Like Congress corrected the 
historical injustice for the Tiwas in 1987, Congress should now correct 
the same injustice for the Lumbee Tribe.
Modern Lumbee Efforts to Obtain Federal Recognition Legislation
    It became clear to the Lumbee over time that the 1956 Lumbee Act 
did not accomplish the Tribe's long-standing goal of federal 
recognition. \6\ As a result, the Tribe resumed it efforts to achieve 
federal recognition. As noted above, the Tribe prepared and submitted a 
documented petition for federal acknowledgment under the administrative 
process in 1987. When the Solicitor's Office opined in 1989 that the 
1956 Lumbee Act precluded administrative action to clarify the Tribe's 
status, the Tribe turned once again to federal legislation. \7\
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    \6\ The final evidence of this failure came in the 1970's when the 
State of North Carolina was ordered by a federal court to dismantle its 
racially segregated schools. Lumbee parents thought their children were 
exempt from that federal court order but they were told otherwise by 
the federal judge. According to the judge, the Tribe was not federally 
recognized and its separate schools violated the Fourteenth Amendment 
to the US Constitution. As a result, the Tribe lost control over 
schools it had operated under state law since 1885.
    \7\ The Tribe requested that the Department return the petition to 
the Tribe, in light of it ineligibility for the process. The Department 
declined to do so. Nonetheless, the Department has not proceeded to 
process the Lumbee petition.
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    Since 1988, the Lumbee Tribe's Congressional delegation has 
introduced more than a dozen bills to recognize the Tribe. \8\ During 
this period, the bill passed the House of Representative six times but 
failed in the Senate. Also during this period, multiple hearings were 
held on the issue in both the House and the Senate, resulting in more 
than a half dozen committee reports. Thus, Congress' modern day 
deliberations on the issue have expanded the already voluminous 
congressional record on the Lumbee Tribe's history and community. We 
know of no comparable Congressional record on any other tribe-specific 
federal legislation.
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    \8\ See H.R. 5042, 100th Cong.; H.R. 2335 101st Cong.; H.R. 1426 
(S. 1036, Senate companion), 102d Cong.; H.R. 334, 103d Cong.; H.R. 898 
(S.420, Senate companion), 108th Cong.; H.R. 21 (S. 660, Senate 
companion), 109th Cong.; S.H.R. 27 (S.333, Senate companion), 110th 
Cong.; H.R.31 (S. 1735, Senate companion), 111th Cong.; H.R. 27 (S. 
1218, Senate companion), 112th Cong.; H.R. 1803 (S. 1132, Senate 
companion), 113th Cong.; H.R. 184 (S. 2285, Senate companion), 114th 
Cong.; H.R. 2352 & 3650 (S. 1047, Senate companion), 115th Cong.; H.R. 
1964 (S. 1368, Senate companion), 116th Cong.; H.R. 2758, 117th Cong.; 
H.R. 1101 (S. 521, Senate companion), 118th Cong.
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The Congressional Record on the Lumbee Tribe Shows High Evidence of 
        Tribal Existence
    The Supreme Court has defined an Indian tribe as follows: ``By a 
`tribe', we understand a body of Indians of the same or similar race, 
united in a community under one leadership or government, and 
inhabiting a particular though sometimes ill-defined territory. . .'' 
Montoya v. United States, 180 U.S. 261, 266 (1901). The Court has also 
repeatedly acknowledged that Congress has authority to decide whether a 
group of Indians constitutes an Indian tribe, so long as the group is a 
``distinctly Indian community.'' See United States v. Sandoval, 231 
U.S. 28, 46 (1913). Thus, there are three necessary components of 
tribal existence: first, people of Indian ancestry, second, who reside 
in sufficient proximity to constitute a community, and third, who are 
united under some form of leadership or government. \9\ The 
congressional record on the Lumbee Tribe shows that the Tribe exhibits 
all three components of an Indian tribe.
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    \9\ These are also the essential components of a tribe in the 
administrative acknowledgment regulations. The three substantive 
mandatory criteria are descent from an historic tribe, the maintenance 
of a community, and the presence of political leadership of some type. 
25 CFR Part 83,   83.11(b), (c) & (e).
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    First, Congress has known since 1933 that the Lumbees descend from 
the Cheraw and related Siouan-speaking tribes. Dr. Swanton expressed 
this view in an opinion provided to Congress at a hearing on a Lumbee 
recognition bill at that time. Since then, other renowned 
anthropologists and historians with PhDs in the field have reached the 
same conclusion and so testified to Congress. These include: Dr. Jack 
Campisi (author of the Lumbee petition submitted in 1987), who 
testified in 1988 (as well as in multiple later hearings) in support of 
the Lumbee recognition bill; Dr. Ray Fogelson (deceased), editor of the 
Southeast Volume of the Smithsonian Handbook of North American Indians, 
who testified in 1988 in support of Lumbee recognition; Dr. William 
Sturtevant (deceased), general editor of the Smithsonian Handbook of 
North American Indians, who testified in 1988 in support of Lumbee 
recognition; and Dr. Fred Hoxie, Swanlund Professor of History at the 
University of Illinois emeritus and member of the founding Board of 
Directors, Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian, who 
testified in 2019 and has submitted a statement again today in support 
of Lumbee recognition. \10\
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    \10\ The Eastern Band of Cherokee commissioned a report on Lumbee 
ancestry by Ms. Jean Kelley, who has a masters degree from the 
University of Arizona. Ms. Kelley concluded that the Lumbee Tribe 
cannot prove a connection with a historic tribe. But she fails to 
address the contrary view of eminent professionals, doctorate-level 
professionals. She also ignores the historical record that corroborates 
these experts' views.
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    In a committee report on a Lumbee recognition bill in 2007, the 
House Sub-Committee on Indian and Insular Affairs summarized the 
historical record on Lumbee ancestry, which corroborates these experts' 
views:

         11The evidence establishes that the [Lumbee] Tribe descends 
        from the historic Cheraw and related Siouan-speaking tribes. 
        Historically, the Cheraw were located on Drowning Creek in 
        North Carolina. Drowning Creek was renamed the Lumber River by 
        the State of North Carolina in 1809. The ancestors of the 
        modern day Lumbee Tribe have been located around Drowning 
        Creek/Lumber River ever since the first contract with Europeans 
        in the early 1700's.

         Congress' deliberations on the Tribe's history produced 
        authoritative reports by the Department of the Interior. In 
        1914, Special Indian Agent O.M. McPherson, sent to investigate 
        the history and condition of the tribe, concluded that the 
        tribe was descended from the Cheraw Tribe. In 1934, the 
        Department expressed to Congress, based upon a report by the 
        eminent John R. Swanton of the Bureau of Ethnology, that the 
        Lumbees descend from the Cheraw and related Siouan speaking 
        tribes of coastal North Carolina.

    H.R. 110-164, 110th Cong., 1st Sess., at 3-4.

    Second, Dr. Campisi has testified to this Committee on the nature 
and strength of the Lumbee community. Dr. Campisi examined federal 
census records dating back to 1850 to establish that the Lumbee and 
their ancestors resided in close knit communities that were almost 
exclusively Lumbee. S. Hrg. 100-881 on S. 2672, 100th Cong., 2d Sess., 
Aug. 12, 1988, at 63-64. Dr. Campisi updated his research for his 
testimony in 2019. After examining a statistical sample of enrolled 
members, Dr. Campisi concluded that as of that year approximately 60 
percent of Lumbee members were married to other Lumbees. Hearing before 
the House Sub-Committee for Indigenous Peoples of the United States, on 
H.R.1964, Dec. 4, 2019. The Department of the Interior considers an in-
marriage rate this high to be conclusive proof of community; in other 
words, no other proof is necessary according to the administrative 
process. 25 CFR  83.11(b)(1)(I). \11\
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    \11\ The Lumbees are also geographically concentrated in their 
traditional territory of Robeson and adjoining counties, North 
Carolina. Dr. Campisi testified at the same hearing that more than 50 
percent of the enrolled tribal members live in exclusively or nearly 
exclusive Lumbee areas in their traditional territory. The Department 
considers this high level of geographic concentration to be conclusive 
proof of both community and political authority. 25 CFR  
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    Third, the Lumbee Tribe has a long history of highly effective 
political leadership. As the discussion above regarding relations with 
the State of North Carolina demonstrates, the Tribe has always been 
able to mobilize in support of the community goals and independence and 
achieve those goals. Vine Deloria, Jr., testified before this Committee 
in 1988 and spoke directly about political authority in the Lumbee 
community:

        If we wish to speak of the traditional Indian method of 
        government, what distinguished Indians from others who 
        constituted political entities, then we are basically speaking 
        of loose alliances of extended family groups, capable of acting 
        in concert with each other as the occasion demanded.

        I stress this aspect of traditional life because, while I 
        believe the Lumbees to have satisfactorily proven that they 
        have maintain a continuous political existence, the committee 
        should note, now and in the future, that formal tribal 
        government is a creation of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and 
        not an Indian characteristic. A traditional Indian community 
        more closely resembles what we find in Robison (sic) County 
        among the Lumbees, large extended families who exert social and 
        political control over family members, and who see their family 
        as part of an extended people.

    S. Hrg. 100-881, on S.2672, to provide federal recognition of the 
Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, at 93. \12\
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    \12\ As he noted in his testimony, Vine Deloria testified on the 
Lumbee bill ``based on extensive and prolonged contact with numerous 
people of the [Lumbee] tribe during most of my adult life.'' In 
addition, Deloria's aunt Ella Deloria, a noted linguist, had worked in 
the Lumbee community in the 1940's on a dictionary of Siouan languages 
spoken in that part of North Carolina. S.Hrg.Rep. at 89.
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    Make no mistake, the last 140 years of failed attempts by the 
Lumbee Tribe have been frustrating, and, frankly heart-breaking, for 
the Tribe. The only saving grace is that the protracted deliberations 
have resulted in an extraordinary record that speaks eloquently to 
Lumbee existence, identity, and persistence. This Committee can act 
favorably upon the Lumbee Fairness Act with full confidence that, in 
doing so, it recognizes a distinct and remarkable Indian community 
within the meaning of Supreme Court authority.
The Lumbee Enrollment Criteria
    The Lumbee Tribe has long been known as the largest non-federally 
recognized tribe in the country. In 1977, the American Indian Policy 
Review Commission, Final Report, Chap. XI, Nonrecognized Tribes, put 
the enrollment then at 40,000. Because the Tribe was not historically 
recognized by the United States, there were no federal rolls of 
membership to which present members can be genealogically traced. But 
there are important records that identify historic members of the 
Tribe. These documents comprise what tribal law calls the source 
documents and from which applicants for enrollment must trace descent.
    The most important of these is school records. Enrollment in Lumbee 
schools was historically the only service available exclusively to 
Lumbees and, as discussed above, the Tribe controlled enrollment in 
those schools. Initially, the state limited enrollment in the Indian 
schools to Indians, then called Croatan, ``now living in Robeson County 
and their descendants.'' North Carolina Assembly 1885, chap. 51. In 
1889, the State amended its law to require proof of Indian ancestry to 
qualify for enrollment ``to the fourth generation.'' North Carolina 
General Assembly 1889, chap. 60. Each school had a committee to 
determine that an enrolling child met this criteria. These so-called 
``blood committees'' kept detailed records on their deliberations and 
those records are the most important of the Tribe's source documents.
    Other source documents include federal census records for the 
tribal territory (Robeson and adjoining counties in North Carolina) 
that identify Indians, church records, \13\ and historic lists of 
tribal members such as the petitioners signed by tribal leaders and 
submitted to the State and Federal governments. It is every applicant's 
responsibility to prove a genealogical connection to an individual on 
these source documents by birth or death certificates and similar vital 
records. The roll, including these supporting documents, are now 
digitized. \14\
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    \13\ The importance of the all-Indian churches in the Lumbee 
community cannot be overstated. In 2019, Dr. Campisi estimated there 
were more than 150 Indian churches in Lumbee territory, with an all 
Indian congregation and in nearly every case an Indian minister. Dec. 
4, 2019, Statement on H.R. 1964. In fact, there are so many Lumbee 
churches that they have been organized in their own separate 
conferences for more than 100 years. Like the schools, these tribal 
institutions kept detailed records on their membership.
    \14\ Because the roll and supporting documents have been digitized, 
the Tribe is confident that the Secretary can verify the accuracy of 
the roll within two years as required by section 5 of the Lumbee 
Fairness Act, S. 107.
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    Descent from a source document is only the first step to qualify 
for enrollment in the Lumbee Tribe. The applicant must also demonstrate 
that she or he has maintained tribal contact, either historic (such as 
attendance at an Indian school or membership in an Indian church) or 
present contact (such as visitation or knowledge of the community). For 
most new applicants, tribal contact is determined in an interview 
conducted by the Tribal Enrollment Office. In addition, enrolled 
members under the age of 55 must update their enrollment every seven 
years to maintain eligibility to vote in tribal elections and other 
tribal rights. Because of this requirement of tribal contact, the Tribe 
believes its enrollment process not only has integrity but also 
reflects the historic reality of a strong community with close 
connections among its members. There are now 62,000 enrolled members in 
the Tribe.
    Historically, the large number of enrolled Lumbee members has been 
used against the Tribe by the Department of the Interior. Since 1890, 
the Department has repeatedly complained about the size of the Tribe 
and the associated cost of providing services to tribal members. But 
this cannot be accepted as a principled basis for failure to recognize 
the Tribe. Indeed, it means that the injustice done to an Indian 
community is all the greater because of the large number of Indian 
people harmed by Federal neglect.
    Neither is fear of impacting other tribes' service budgets a 
principled, or even factually accurate, basis for reluctance to 
recognize a clearly legitimate Lumbee Tribe. The budget impact is not 
as large as the usual per capita calculation of adding new members to 
the Federal Indian service population might suggest. Because the Lumbee 
Tribe is state recognized, it already receives Indian services from 
many federal agencies, such as Housing and Urban Development, 
Department of Education, and Department of Energy. These services 
should be excluded from any calculation of budget impact. \15\ The new 
fiscal impact would be limited to the BIA, Department of the Interior, 
and Indian Health Service (IHS), Department of Health and Human 
Services. The 2022 CBO estimate placed those costs, once fully 
implemented, at $43 million per annum and $80 million per annum, 
respectively. Those two agencies have a process that extends full 
services to members of newly recognized or restored tribes only when 
Congress appropriates money for that purpose. \16\ In addition, out of 
the 574 federally recognized tribes, 567 of them receive their BIA and 
IHS funding through either a self-determination contract or a 
selfgovernance compact, and the Secretary is precluded from reducing 
the amount of funding in both cases. \17\ 25 CFR  900.19 (self-
determination contracts), and 25 CFR   1000.501, 1000.671 (self-
governing compacts), mandating that the Secretary provide the full 
funding contracted for with those tribes. As a result, federally 
recognized tribes are protected from any diminution of their services 
from bringing Lumbee tribal members on board for federal services.
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    \15\ The most recent CBO cost estimate of Lumbee recognition 15 was 
prepared in 2022. It acknowledged that the budget impact would be less 
than one might expect because the Tribe currently receives Federal 
Indian services from these agencies.
    \16\ In the case of the BIA, it already has a 16 line item in each 
year's budge for newly recognized tribes. Those tribes are allocated a 
pro rata share of the new tribes appropriation; if the need exceeds the 
appropriation, then the need goes unmet. Newly recognized tribes can 
receive new tribes fund for three fiscal years, during which time the 
tribe negotiates its own budget that is included in the 
Administration's next budget request. Once that budget is appropriated, 
that tribe's members receives the funded services. In the case of the 
IHS, that agency's manual explicitly provides that newly recognized or 
restored tribes receive services only when Congress appropriates 
funding for that budget.
    \17\ Staff Report, 2024 Oversight Hearing, House Committee on 
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    Simply stated, the large number of Indians who are enrolled with 
the Lumbee Tribe and excluded from Federal Indian services makes it all 
more urgent that Congress get on with the business of correcting this 
long-standing injustice by extending full federal recognition to the 
Lumbee Tribe.
Conclusion
    In 1935, BIA Commissioner Collier sent Superintendent Fred Baker of 
the Sisseton Agency to visit the Lumbee community as part of 
deliberations on application of the IRA to the Tribe. Superintendent 
Baker reported that he met with approximately 4,000 members of the 
community and that they strongly supported the plan to acquire land for 
and organize the Tribe. Superintendent Baker observed, ``It is clear to 
my mind that sooner or later government action will have to be taken in 
the name of justice and humanity to aid them.'' It did not happen 
sooner. It is now much later and time for government action.

    The Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Locklear.
    Next, we turn to Chief Hicks. Welcome.

STATEMENT OF HON. MICHELL HICKS, PRINCIPAL CHIEF, EASTERN BAND 
                      OF CHEROKEE INDIANS

    Mr. Hicks. [Greeting in Native tongue.] Chair Murkowski, 
Vice Chairman Schatz, and members of the Committee, thank you 
on behalf of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Indians.
    I want to express my deep appreciation for convening this 
substantive hearing, and for your willingness to examine the 
facts. A careful, evidence-based review of this matter is long 
overdue. Your commitment to that standard honors every 
federally-recognized tribe and the integrity of this 
Committee's work.
    I speak today not to question anyone's personal identity, 
or heritage. This is not about policing identity. It is about 
evidence. It is about documentation and the integrity of the 
Federal recognition process.
    I stand here as Principal Chief and as the voice of 
generations of Cherokees who safeguarded our identity, 
safeguarded our language and our sovereignty, through centuries 
of forced removal, division, boarding schools, and 
unprecedented political pressures. This bill asks Congress to 
recognize a group that has never demonstrated descent from any 
historical tribe.
    Let me be clear: for more than a century, this group has 
cycled through claimed identities, the Croatan, Tuscarora, 
Siouan, and Cheraw, and even the Cherokees, choosing whatever 
labels seemed most advantageous at the time. Yet in all this 
time, not one verifiable genealogy, historical roll, treaty or 
historical document has demonstrated continuous tribal 
existence or descent from a historical tribe. Their claims rest 
on theories, speculation, and invented narratives.
    Federal records show this clearly. In the late 1800s, only 
223 individuals in their counties identified as Indian. Ten 
years later, the number jumps to 4,000, a 1,700 percent spike. 
What changed was not ancestry or history, it was access to a 
separate school system for those willing to claim Indian 
identity on paper.
    But the deeper historical record is even more revealing. 
For generations, before that moment, the families this group 
now claims as ancestors appears in official records as free 
British subjects, and later, American citizens. Not as Indians, 
not as a tribe, not as a political community distinct from 
others. They exercised their full civil rights. They did not 
claim an Indian identity.
    Only after the Civil War, when North Carolina rewrote its 
constitution and imposed new racial restrictions on non-white 
citizens did these families suddenly adopt an Indian identity, 
calling themselves Croatan, to access the separate Indian 
school and government resources.
    And history, that was not the end of identity shifts. For 
over 40 years, from 1913 to 1953, this group identified as 
Cherokees and legally recognized by North Carolina as the 
Cherokee Indians of Robeson County. Over the objections of the 
Cherokee Nation and the Eastern Band of the Cherokee, their 
members self-identified as Cherokee on Federal school 
applications. And they petitioned Congress for recognition as 
Cherokee.
    Some individuals still assert Cherokee identity today. When 
those claims were rejected because they could not be 
substantiated, the group adopted yet another identity. This is 
not a pattern of continuous tribal existence. It is a pattern 
of shifting assertions, driven by circumstance, not historical 
evidence.
    If Congress passes this bill, this group would be the first 
Americans in history to receive Federal recognition without 
demonstrating any descent from a historical tribe. This is not 
fairness, it is abandonment of every safeguard that protects 
tribal sovereignty and identity.
    The Office of Federal Acknowledgement exists to ensure 
recognition decisions rely on proof, not assertion, 
documentation, not desire, historical truth, not political 
pressure. Recognition confirms a documented tribal reality. It 
does not create one.
    Congress has also been misled on the cost. Independent 
analysis shows the real price is in the billions, diverting 
treaty-based resources away from tribes with proven history and 
legal rights.
    I want to state this plainly and respectfully. There is no 
tribal language, there is no treaty relationships, no 
continuous tribal government, no documented lineage to a 
historical tribe. We do not fear another tribe. I want to make 
that clear. We fear falsehood becoming Federal law.
    If there is evidence, let it be presented. If there is a 
tribal origin, let the OFA confirm it. And if they meet the 
same standard every other tribe meets, we will welcome them to 
the group of federally-recognized tribes. But Congress must 
legislate identity by replacing evidence with assertion.
    In conclusion, thank you in advance for insisting that 
proof matters, and that Federal recognition must remain 
grounded in the truth.
    On behalf of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Indians, I 
urge you to hold the line, even though it is difficult, protect 
the integrity of tribal sovereignty, protect the integrity of 
Federal recognition, protect the principle that history and 
evidence still matter in the United States Congress.
    [Phrase in Native tongue.]
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Hicks follows:]

Prepared Statement of Hon. Michell Hicks, Principal Chief, Eastern Band 
                          of Cherokee Indians
    Chairman Murkowski, Vice Chairman Schatz, and Members of the 
Committee on Indian Affairs, I am honored to testify today to express 
the views of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians on S. 107, the 
``Lumbee Fairness Act.'' I am particularly grateful to the Committee 
for holding a hearing that focused on the merits of Lumbee recognition, 
which is important to my Tribe but and tribal nations across Indian 
country.
    Since before the arrival of Europeans on this continent, the 
Cherokee have lived in the southeastern part of what is now the United 
States, in the states of North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, 
Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia. Since 
European contact, the Cherokee have faced unending threats to our very 
existence-including the tragic Trail of Tears, where more than 15,000 
Cherokee Indians were forcibly removed by the U.S. Army from our 
ancestral homelands to the Indian Territory as part of the federal 
government's American Indian Removal Policy. Thousands died. Our 
Eastern Band people call this event ``Gay go whoa oh duh nuh ee,'' or 
the ``Removal.'' We, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, are the 
descendants of those Cherokees that resisted the Removal in the Great 
Smoky Mountains and escaped the Trail of Tears, or who were able to 
return to their homeland in the Smoky Mountains after enduring the 
Trail of Tears. The Great Smoky Mountains wrapped its arms around us, 
protected us, and helped us preserve our our lives and our culture. The 
mountains continue to provide us refuge and resources today.
    Through all of this, the Cherokee people have fiercely protected 
our separate identity as Cherokees. There are three, and only three, 
Cherokee Tribal Nations: the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians 
(``Eastern Band''), the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians, and 
the Cherokee Nation. Many of our Tribal members are fluent speakers of 
the Cherokee language. We have a separate culture that makes us 
different from any group of people in the world. The leadership of the 
Cherokee, and the Cherokee people ourselves, have fought with tenacity 
and determination for nearly 500 documented years to ensure that our 
way of life, our beliefs, and our sovereignty will survive. For over a 
century, Eastern Band Tribal leaders have been forced to actively 
protect the separate political and cultural identity of the Cherokee 
People from a multitude of groups that falsely claim to be Cherokee 
tribes. The Lumbees are one of these groups.
Irrefutable Facts About the Lumbee Group
    I want to begin by highlighting the following irrefutable facts 
about the Lumbees:

   For over 125 years, the group of people that now calls 
        themselves the ``Lumbee Tribe'' have sought federal recognition 
        as a tribe from Congress. For over 125 years, Congress has 
        rejected legislation that would federally acknowledge this 
        group as a tribe.

   The group now indentifying as Lumbee has never had treaty 
        relations with the United States.

   The group now identifying as Lumbee has sought federal 
        recognition under different names: Croatan, Cherokee, Siouan, 
        and Cheraw. One of these ``tribes,'' however, is not even a 
        historical tribe but an Indigenous language group (Siouan).

   The group now calling itself Lumbee does not have a tribal 
        language or tribal culture, according to Lumbee expert 
        testimony before Congress. \1\
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    \1\ Congressional Record-House (Oct. 28, 1993), at 26545, available 
at https://www.congress.gov/103/crecb/1993/10/28/GPO-CRECB-1993-pt18-7-
1.pdf.

   Independent experts Dr. Virginia DeMarce, the former Chair 
        of the National Genealogical Society, and Paul Heinegg, an 
        award-winning genealogist and author, have published detailed, 
        pre-1900 research that undermines Lumbee claims to having 
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        Native ancestry. \9\

    Heinegg summarizes his conclusions concerning Lumbee identity, 
referring to the Lumbee as ``an invented North Carolina Indian tribe.'' 
\10\

   The ``Lumbee Fairness Act'' specifically prohibits the 
        Secretary of the Interior from reviewing the DeMarce and 
        Heinegg research when verifying Lumbee rolls.

   For forty years, the State of North Carolina recognized the 
        Lumbee group as, and the Lumbees held themselves out to be, 
        ``Cherokee'' Indians.

   The name ``Lumbee'' does not come from a historic tribe--it 
        comes from the geographical name of the river that runs through 
        Robeson County, North Carolina, and was chosen by vote by this 
        group from a list of options as their most recent identity. \2\
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    \2\ Hearing on H.R. 898, To Provide For Recognition of the Lumbee 
Tribe of North Carolina, Committee on Resources, House of 
Representatives, Apr. 1, 2004, p. 66 (Statement of Dr. Jack Campisi).

   The historical record surrounding the identity of the group 
        calling itself Lumbee is replete with falsehoods and 
        inconsistencies. For example, census records for Robeson County 
        from the year 1900 identified families as ``Croatan,'' but 
        never Lumbee. Confusingly, census records for Robeson County 
        from the year 1910 identified those same families as 
        ``Cherokee,'' but with the word ``Croatan'' stamped over the 
        written word ``Cherokee.'' \3\ Exhibit 1.
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    \3\ Notably, Dr. Jack Campisi, the Lumbee group's expert who 
authored the group's petition for federal recognition to the OFA, has 
testified to this Committee that ``[t]he federal census records are by 
far the best source of evidence concerning the Lumbee community.'' 
Testimony of Dr. Jack Campisi to the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs 
on S. 420 (Sept. 17, 2003) p. 3.

   Unlike the Cherokee, the Choctaw, the Creek, the Seminole, 
        the Shawnee, and many other established Tribal Nations with 
        aboriginal lands in the South and East, the United States never 
        identified the Lumbee as as a tribe or even Indian and never 
        sought to remove them from their claimed homelands when Indian 
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        removal was U.S. policy.

   The Lumbees submitted a petition for federal recognition to 
        what is now the Office of Federal Acknowledgment (OFA) in 1987. 
        No determination has been made regarding the Lumbees' OFA 
        petition.

   In accordance with the most recent Department of the 
        Interior Solicitor's M-Opinion on the matter, the Lumbees are 
        eligible to seek federal recognition through the OFA process. 
        Exhibit 2.

    The foregoing facts are incontrovertible. Moreover, these facts (1) 
cast doubt on the validity of the Lumbees' claim that they descend from 
a historic tribe, and (2) illustrate why Congress should defer to the 
OFA to determine the merits of the Lumbees' claims.
Defects in Lumbee Tribal Identity Claims
    If Congress recognizes groups whose tribal and individual identity 
as Indians is seriously in doubt, it will dilute the government-to-
government relationships that existing federally recognized tribes have 
with the United States. Although the Lumbees have sought federal 
recognition under the assumed identities of four different ``tribes,'' 
\4\ they have yet to produce evidence demonstrating descent from a 
historic tribe. In 1955, a Lumbee leader testified to the House of 
Representatives that the Lumbees are an ```admixture of seven different 
tribes of Indians, including the Cherokee, Tuscarora, Hatteras, Pamli 
and Croatan.''' \5\ To try to trace the Lumbees' claimed identities is 
dizzying. We strongly believe that this bill would undermine the 
integrity of existing federally recognized Indian tribes due to the 
real problems the Lumbee group has in demonstrating that it is a tribe, 
including its inability to trace the genealogy of its roughly 60,000 
members to a historic tribe.
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    \4\ One such assumed identity is Siouan, which is an Indigenous 
language group--not a historic tribe.
    \5\ S. Rep. No. 110-409 (2008), p. 4 (quoting Statement of Rev. 
D.F. Lowery of Pembroke, North Carolina before the Subcommittee on 
Indian Affairs, Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs, U.S. House 
of Representatives, Hrg. on H.R. 4656 Relating to the Lumbee Indians of 
North Carolina, Jul. 22, 1955).
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    Furthermore, even the Lumbees acknowledge that they cannot identify 
their origins. In 1953, a Lumbee leader recognized that:

         The first white settlers found a large tribe of Indians living 
        on the Lumbee River in what is now Robeson County-a mixture of 
        colonial blood with Indian blood, not only [Raleigh's] colony; 
        but, with other colonies following and with many tribes of 
        Indians; hence, we haven't any right to be called any one of 
        the various tribal names . . . . \6\
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    \6\ Congressional Record--House (Oct. 28, 1993), at 26544, 
available at https://www.congress.gov/103/crecFb/1993/10/28/GPO-CRECB-
1993-pt18-7-1.pdf.

    Although they have since changed their position, the historical 
fact remains-Lumbee leaders seventy years ago acknowledged the group's 
lack of descent from a historical tribe.
Lumbee's Self-Identification as ``Croatan'' Indians
    In 2003, the Lumbees' own hired expert (Dr. Jack Campisi) stated in 
his testimony before this Committee that the Lumbee sought federal 
services from the Congress as ``Croatan Indians'' in the 1880s and 
early 1900s. However, in 1993, the House Resources Committee's Report 
regarding the then-pending Lumbee recognition bill contained the 
following relating to the history of the Lumbee group and its 
``Croatan'' origins:

         The story of how the progenitors of the Lumbee came to live in 
        this area of North Carolina is a multifarious one. In fact, 
        there are almost as many theories as there are theorists. Up 
        until the 1920's, the most persistent tradition among the 
        Indians in Robeson County was that they were descended 
        primarily from an Iroquoian group called the Croatans. This 
        theory, though highly conjectural, is as follows. In 1585, Sir 
        Walter Raleigh established an English colony under Gov. John 
        White on Roanoke Island in what later became North Carolina. In 
        August of that year, White departed for England for supplies, 
        but was prevented from returning to Roanoke for 2 years by a 
        variety of circumstances. When he finally arrived at the 
        colony, however, he found the settlement deserted; no physical 
        trace of the colonists was found.

         The only clue to their whereabouts were the letters ``C.R.O.'' 
        and the word ``Croatoan'' carved in a tree. From this it was 
        surmised that the colonists fled Roanoke for some reason, and 
        removed to the nearby island of Croatoan which was inhabited by 
        a friendly Indian tribe. There, according to the theory, they 
        intermarried with the Indians, and the tribe eventually 
        migrated to the southwest to the area of present-day Robeson 
        County. The theory is lent some credence by reports of early 
        18th century settlers in the area of the Lumber River who noted 
        finding a large group of Indians-some with marked Caucasian 
        features such as grey-blue eyes ``speaking English, tilling the 
        soil,'' ``and practicing the arts of civilized life.'' In 
        addition, many of the surnames of Indians resident in the 
        county match those of Roanoke colonists. \7\
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Lumbee's Self-Identification as ``Cherokee'' Indians
    In 2015, the Secretary of the Interior informed this Committee that 
``[l]ong before historians began to study the origin of these people 
they claimed to be of Cherokee descent. In fact, they have always 
claimed that they were originally a part of the Cherokee Tribe and that 
they gave up their tribal relation after they had participated with the 
white man in the war against the Tuscaroras.'' \8\
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    \8\ Letter from the Secretary of the Interior Transmitting, in 
Response to a Senate Resolution of June 30, 1914, a Report on the 
Condition and Tribal Rights of the Indians of Robeson and Adjoining 
Counties of North Carolina, S. Doc. No. 677, at 121 (1915).
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    The Lumbee group sought recognition from the North Carolina 
Legislature in 1913 as the ``Cherokee Indians of Robeson County.'' This 
legislation was passed, despite the Eastern Band's opposition, and the 
group was recognized in North Carolina as ``Cherokee'' Indians. That 
continued for 40 years until 1953 when the North Carolina Legislature, 
at the Lumbee group's request, passed legislation recognizing them as 
the ``Lumbee'' Indians instead of as the ``Cherokee'' Indians. Although 
the Lumbee group now claims the Cherokee identity was pushed upon them, 
there is significant evidence throughout history of the Lumbee group 
and its ``members'' affirmatively asserting Cherokee identity.
    As the Lumbee group's expert Dr. Campisi stated, after World War I, 
this Lumbee group sought legislation in Congress for recognition as 
``the Cherokee Indians of Robeson and adjoining counties.'' 
Specifically, in 1924, Dr. Campisi noted that the now-called Lumbee 
group had legislation introduced in the U.S. Senate that would have 
recognized them as ``Cherokee'' Indians. However, Commissioner of 
Indian Affairs Charles H. Burke opposed the legislation and it failed 
to pass. Dr. Campisi went on to state that the Lumbee group renewed 
their efforts in 1932 and had a bill introduced in the Senate that 
would have recognized them as ``the Cherokee Indians,'' but this effort 
failed as well. \9\ The Eastern Band has, since the early 1900s when 
the Lumbee group sought formal recognition as Cherokee, consistently 
and strongly opposed these efforts of the Lumbees to be recognized as a 
tribe.
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    \9\ Id. Ms. Arlinda Locklear, in her testimony before the Senate 
Indian Affairs Committee in 2003, noted that the Lumbee group claimed 
that they were Cherokee and sought federal legislation to be recognized 
as Cherokees. ``Testimony of Arlinda Locklear, Patton Boggs LLP, Of 
Counsel for the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina in Support of S. 420 
United States Senate Committee on Indian Affairs'' (Sept. 17, 2003) p. 
4.
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    Additionally, from 1914 to 1916, several Lumbee individuals 
petitioned the United States Commissioner on Indian Affairs for 
admittance to the Carlisle Indian School in Pennsylvania. W.H. Oxendine 
claimed to be ``an Indian of the Cherokee Tribe of Eastern N.C. in 
Robeson County.'' \10\ In James Oxendine's application to Carlisle, his 
mother, Charity, listed herself as being 3/4 Cherokee. \11\ In his 1916 
response to Lumbee applications to Carlisle, School Superintendent O.H. 
Lipps wrote to the Commissioner on Indian Affairs:
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    \10\ Request for Enrollment from Robeson County Cherokee (Nov. 11, 
1914), available at https://carlisleindian.dickinson.edu/sites/default/
files/docs-documents/NARA_RG75_CCF_b028_f06_119133.pdf.
    \11\ James Oxendine Student File (1911), available at https://
carlisleindian.dickinson.edu/sites/default/files/docsephemera/
NARA_1327_b003_f0117.pdf.
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    These applications have been consistently turned down for the 
reason that we have been advised by the office that the status of the 
indians of Robeson County is undetermined and that it is a question to 
be decided by Congress and, also, for the further reason that we 
understand Supervisor Charles F. Pierce some years ago made a very 
thorough investigation into the claims of these Indians for recognition 
by the Government and it was his opinion that it would be a great 
mistake for the Government to step in and assume guardianship over them 
even to the extent of giving them school privileges in Government 
schools. \12\
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    \12\ View of Oscar H. Lipps on Pupils Attending Non-Government 
School (Feb. 12, 1916), p. 1, available at https://
carlisleindian.dickinson.edu/sites/default/files/docs-documents/
NARA_RG75_CCF_b029_f013_16293.pdf.
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    Questions surrounding the Lumbee group's claims are not a recent 
phenomenon. Even in 1916, it was openly discussed and understood that 
the Lumbee group's claims of Indian ancestry were highly suspicious.
Lumbee's Self-Identification as ``Siouan'' Indians
    According to the Lumbees, the Lumbee group sought federal 
recognition as ``Siouan'' Indians in 1924. Further, in the 1930s, for 
purposes of the Indian Reorganization Act, the Lumbees self-designated 
themselves as the ``Siouan Indian Community of Lumber River.'' \13\ As 
stated above, the term ``Siouan'' is a reference to a generic 
linguistic classification that is spoken by many tribes in North 
America and is not a term that describes a distinct historical tribe.
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    \13\ Id. at 9.
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    It was not until 1952 that the Lumbees decided to refer to 
themselves as ``Lumbee'' based upon their geographic location next to 
the Lumber River. In 1956, Congress, at the request of the Lumbees, 
passed legislation commemorating their name change. \14\ Absent from 
this 1956 Act was any affirmation by Congress that recognized the 
Lumbees as descendants of specific historic tribes, entitled to a 
government-to-government relationship; rather, the Act refers to the 
Lumbees as a group that relies ``on tribal legend'' to trace their 
origin. \15\
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    \14\ Id. at 9-10.
    \15\ 70 Stat. 254.
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The Lumbees' Tenuous Efforts to Link Themselves to the Cheraw Tribe
    The federal recognition criteria require that the membership of a 
petitioning group consist of ``individuals who descend from a 
historical Indian tribe (or from historical Indian tribes that combined 
and functioned as a single autonomous political entity).'' \16\ The 
regulations define ``historical'' in this context as ``before 1900.'' 
\17\ The origin and ties of the Lumbee group to a historical tribe have 
been the subject of uncertainty not only among experts in the area but 
also among the Lumbee themselves.
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    \16\ 25 C.F.R.  83.11(e).
    \17\ Id. at 83.1.
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    Experts at the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) have testified that 
the Lumbee ties to the Cheraw Tribe are tenuous. On August 1, 1991, 
Director of the Office of Tribal Services Ronal Eden testified on 
behalf of the Administration regarding federal legislation that would 
Congressionally recognize the Lumbee group. Regarding the Lumbee 
group's petition for federal recognition, the Director testified to a 
``major deficiency'' that ``the Lumbee have not documented their 
descent from a historic tribe.'' \18\
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    \18\ Statement of Ronal Eden, Director, Office of Tribal Services, 
Bureau of Indian Affairs, Department of the Interior, Before the Joint 
Hearing of the Select Committee on Indian Affairs, United States 
Senate, and the Interior and Insular Affairs Committee, United States 
House of Representatives, On S. 1036 and H.R. 1426 (Aug. 1, 1991) p. 3-
5.
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    The Director also testified that the 18th century documents used by 
the Lumbee group to support its claim that it primarily descends from a 
community of Cheraws living on Drowning Creek in North Carolina in the 
1730s needed extensive analysis corroborated by other documentation. 
\19\
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    \19\ Id.
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    In his September 17, 2003 testimony before this Committee, Lumbee 
expert Dr. Jack Campisi relied on a report by Dr. John R. Swanton of 
the Bureau of Ethnology to conclude ``in the early 1930s that the 
Lumbees are descended [from] predominantly Cheraw Indians.'' The House 
Report specifically refutes this claim, stating that Swanton chose 
``Cheraw'' rather than another tribal name he identified--
``Keyauwee''--because the Keyauwee name was not well known. ``In other 
words, the choice of the Cheraw was apparently made for reasons of 
academic ease rather than historical reality.'' \20\
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    \20\ Congressional Record-House (Oct. 28, 1993), at 26544, 
available at https://www.congress.gov/103/crecb/1993/10/28/GPO-CRECB-
1993-pt18-7-1.pdf.
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    Furthermore, an Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary, Indian Affairs, 
has questioned the adequacy of the underlying proof of Cheraw descent. 
He testified in 1989 that:

         The Lumbee petition . . . claims to link the group to the 
        Cheraw Indians. The documents presented in the petition do not 
        support [this] theory . . . . These documents have been 
        misinterpreted in the Lumbee petition. Their real meanings have 
        more to do with the colonial history of North and South 
        Carolina than with the existence of any specific tribal group 
        in the area in which the modern Lumbee live. \21\
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    \21\ To Provide Federal Recognition for the Lumbee Tribe of North 
Carolina: Hearing Before the House Committee on Interior and Insular 
Affairs on H.R. 2335, 101st Cong. 25-27 (1989).

    In her 2003 testimony before this Committee, legal counsel to the 
Lumbee, Arlinda Locklear, admitted that these concerns continue today. 
``Department staff that administers the administrative acknowledgment 
process have expressed some concern about the absence of a genealogical 
connection between the modern-day Lumbee Tribe and the historic Cheraw 
Tribe.'' \22\
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    \22\ ``Testimony of Arlinda Locklear, Patton Boggs LLP, Of Counsel 
for the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina in Support of S. 420 United 
States Senate Committee on Indian Affairs'' (Sept. 17, 2003) p. 4 n.1.
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Claimed Lumbee Membership Not Tied to Cheraw Individuals
    The various documents on which the Lumbee membership list is based 
similarly cast doubt as to the ability of the Lumbee group to meet the 
recognition criteria. The Lumbee group claims more than 60,000 enrolled 
members who are descended from anyone identifying as ``Indian'' in five 
North Carolina counties and two South Carolina counties in either the 
1900 or 1910 federal census. The Lumbee Constitution refers to these 
census lists as the ``Source Documents.'' Yet, the individuals on these 
lists cannot be specifically identified and verified as Cheraw Indians. 
In fact, these individuals cannot be identified as belonging to any 
tribe whatsoever. These are lists of people who self-identified or were 
identified by census workers as ``Indian.''
    House Resources Committee members have recognized the weaknesses 
and complexities in the Lumbee group's claim to tribal recognition in 
the past:

         The Lumbee . . . have never had treaty relations with the 
        United States, a reservation, or a claim before the Indian 
        Claims Commission; they do not speak an Indian language; they 
        have had no formal political organization until recently; and 
        they possess no ``Indian'' customs or cultural appurtenance 
        such as dances, songs, or tribal religion. One of the groups 
        consultant anthropologists, Dr. Jack Campisi, noted this lack 
        of Indian cultural appurtenances in a hearing colloquy with 
        then--Congressman Ben Nighthorse Campbell:

        Mr. Campbell: Do [the Lumbee] have a spoken language . . . ?

        Dr. Campisi: No.

         Mr. Campbell: Do they have distinct cultural characteristics 
        such as songs, dances and religious beliefs and so on? . . . Do 
        the Lumbees have that?

        Dr. Campisi: No. Those things were gone before the end of the 
        18th Century.

    This absence of cultural appurtenances in part identify the Lumbee 
as part of what sociologist Brewton Berry has termed the ``marginal 
Indian groups.'' As Berry notes:

         These are communities that hold no reservation land, speak no 
        Indian language, and observe no distinctive Indian customs. 
        Although it is difficult to establish a firm historical Indian 
        ancestry for them, their members often display physical 
        features that are decidedly Indian. Because they bear no other 
        historic tribal names, they often emphasize a Cherokee 
        ancestry.
    These characteristics . . . point out that this is a case replete 
with out-of-the-ordinary complexities which require more than just a 
simple one-page staff memo to understand fully. Needless to say, if 
those [Members of Congress] charged with the day-to-day oversight of 
Indian affairs do not have the necessary expertise--or even knowledge--
in this area, how will the balance of our Members appropriately 
exercise those judgments as they will be called upon to do when this 
legislation reaches the floor? \23\
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    \23\ Congressional Record-House (Oct. 28, 1993), at 26545, 
available at https://www.congress.gov/103/crecb/1993/10/28/GPO-CRECB-
1993-pt18-7-1.pdf.
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    It must also be noted that, due to the absence of their own 
culture, the Lumbee group has and continues to engage in heavy 
appropriation of cultures from legitimate Tribal Nations.
OFA's Unique and Exclusive Capability to Determine the Merits of 
        Lumbee's Claims
    The government-to-government relationship between a Tribal Nation 
and the United States begins at the point where each recognizes the 
sovereignty of the other. For this reason, it is crucial that the 
federal government have in place a credible, non-politicized process 
for determining which Tribal Nations it recognizes. The National 
Congress of American Indians (NCAI) expressed its support for such a 
process by resolution in 1977. Exhibit 3. In Spring of 1978, NCAI 
issued a Declaration of Principles on Tribal Recognition by the U.S. 
Government. Exhibit 4. NCAI declared: ``There must be a valid and 
consistent set of criteria applied to every group which petitions for 
recognition. The criteria must be based on ethnoligical, historical, 
legal and political evidence.'' Id. NCAI further declared that only 
those tribes or groups who satisfy such criteria may be recognized. Id. 
In large part due to pressure from NCAI, the Department of the Interior 
established the OFA and the federal recognition process (known as the 
``Part 83 process'') in Fall of 1978 to ensure that federal recognition 
determinations are made with rigorous scrutiny and based on factual and 
historical evidence, ``free from the eddies and currents of partisan 
politics and influence.'' \24\
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    \24\ H.R. Rep. No. 103-621, at 17 (1994).
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    The Part 83 process requires the OFA to apply and consider seven 
mandatory criteria to evaluate a group's petition for federal 
recognition. The purpose of these seven criteria is to prevent the 
recognition--and the rights, benefits, and duties that come with it--of 
groups that are not truly Tribal Nations entitled to government-to-
government relationships with the Untied States.
    As former Congressman and Chair of the House Natural Resources 
Committee George Miller has explained about the role of Congress and 
tribal recognition,

         Properly done, the process of recognition requires an 
        evaluation of complex and often ambiguous data and issues of 
        ethnohistory, cultural anthropology, and genealogy. Not only do 
        we lack that expertise, but there are precious few members of 
        this Committee with any more than the most superficial 
        knowledge on the subject at all. Such a decision is replete 
        with out-of-the-ordinary complexities which require more than 
        just a simple one-page staff memo to understand fully. Needless 
        to say, if those of us charged with the day-to-day oversight of 
        Indian affairs do not have the necessary expertise--or even 
        knowledge--in this area, how will the balance of our Members 
        appropriately exercise those judgments as they will be called 
        upon to do when this legislation reaches the floor? \25\
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    \25\ Id. at 16-17.
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    Congress does not have the expertise to determine whether a modern 
group descends from a historical tribe (or tribes), and whether the 
group is comprised of persons of Indian ancestry from that historical 
tribe (or tribes), and would base its recognition decision on politics 
and emotions rather than merit. In fact, as was pointed out by a Member 
of the House with respect to a previous Lumbee recognition bill, ``[a] 
single, powerful member in the majority party is perfectly capable of 
moving a recognition bill through this body with little reference to 
its actual merits.'' \26\ The rights, benefits, and duties that 
accompany federal recognition must not be conveyed lightly, as doing so 
would have devastating consequences within and beyond Indian country. 
This is why it is imperative that the claims of groups like the Lumbee 
be vetted by the highly skilled, qualified, and experienced historians, 
anthropologists, and genealogists at the OFA who have the dedicated 
time and resources to properly evaluate them. There are simply too many 
unknowns and inconsistencies resulting in too many looming questions 
about the Lumbees' claims to leave determination of those claims to the 
political whims of Congress.
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    \26\ Id. at 17
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Concerns of Eastern Band and Other Legitimate, Federally Recognized 
        Indian Tribes
    The integrity of the federal recognition process would be 
jeopardized by allowing political motivations to substitute for 
research and critical analysis of neutral, third-party experts if 
Congress recognizes the Lumbee group by legislation. Furthermore, the 
government-togovernment relationship legitimate tribes hold with the 
United States would be diluted if groups that cannot demonstrate 
descent from a historical tribe(s) are federally recognized and vested 
with the sovereign rights of Tribal Nations. The OFA process protects 
established Tribal Nations that have treaty and trust relations with 
the United States and living languages and cultures from fraudulent or 
unmerited claims of tribal identity.
    As historican and genealogist Jean Kelly explains:

         Allowing Federal recognition for a group without clear 
        antecedents of previous historical tribe(s) would dramatically 
        redefine the standards for receiving Federal recognition, 
        almost to the point of being meaningless. Such low standards 
        would pave the way for groups with little to no evidence of 
        Native ancestry to claim the cultures and identifies of 
        legitimate tribes and assume legal rights over their sacred 
        places and ancestral remains under the Native American Graves 
        Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA). Imbuing such groups 
        with the legal authorities to act as sovereigns would have 
        significant consequences for communities across America.'' \27\
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    \27\ Jean Kelley, M.A., ``Analysis of Lumbee Historical and 
Genealogical Claims,'' 2024, at 17-18, attached as Exhibit 5.

    Passage of the bill would set a dangerous precedent, encouraging 
countless groups with entirely baseless claims to seek federal 
recognition from Congress. As former Congressman Walter B. Jones stated 
in a hearing on the 2004 iteration of the Lumbee recognition bill, ``if 
we start passing private bills to recognize [the Lumbee group], then I 
think we are creating a problem that is going to be uncontrollable, 
because how can you say yes to one and no to 237 [other groups seeking 
recognition]?'' \28\
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    \28\ H.R. Hrg. 108-90 (2004), p. 5-6.
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    The Eastern Band's opposition to this bill is driven by the threat 
Congressional recognition of the Lumbee group would pose to tribal 
sovereignty, the government-togovernment relationship between Tribal 
Nations and the United States, Indigenous and tribal identity, and 
access to vital federal resources intended for legitimate Tribal 
Nations across Indian country--not the threat on the Eastern Band's 
gaming operations. Robeson County, the Lumbees' claimed homelands, is 
located approximately 225 miles away from the Eastern Band's casino in 
Cherokee, North Carolina, and approximately 260 miles away from its 
casino in Murphy, North Carolina, as the crow flies. It takes over five 
and six hours, respectively, to drive from Pembroke, Robeson County, to 
the Eastern Band's casinos. If the Lumbees were federally recognized 
and permitted to engage in Indian gaming, impacts of such activity on 
the Eastern Band's gaming enterprises would be nominal. The Lumbees 
pose no threat to the Eastern Band from a gaming perspective, and 
gaming revenues are irrelevant to the Eastern Band's opposition to this 
bill.
Drastically Underestimated Cost of Lumbee Recognition- Harm to Existing 
        Tribes and Waste of Taxpayer Money
    Congress has been egregiously misled regarding the cost of Lumbee 
recognition. The most recent cost estimate prepared by the 
Congressional Budget Office (CBO) for Lumbee recognition (Exhibit 6), 
which was prepared in 2022 for H.R. 2758 (Lumbee Recognition Act), 
glaringly underestimated the price tag for taxpayers on recognition of 
the Lumbee. Specifically, the CBO cost estimate for H.R. 2758 contains 
the following deficiencies:

   Estimated BIA costs for H.R. 2758 ($116M) are 28 percent 
        lower than estimated BIA costs in the previously prepared CBO 
        cost estimate for Lumbee recognition ($160M), which was for the 
        period from 2012 to 2016. See Exhibit 7. That BIA costs would 
        have decreased by 28 percent over the roughly ten-year gap 
        between the two cost estimates, and following an increase in 
        the Lumbee population, defies all logic.

   In 2018, the Government Accountability Office issued a 
        report demonstrating that Indian Health Service (IHS) spending 
        for 2017 amounted to $4,078 per user. \29\ This figure, $4,078, 
        was again used by IHS in a fact sheet based on 2022 data. \30\ 
        However, the cost estimate for H.R. 2758 applies a per user 
        figure of just $1,700--which is even smaller than the per user 
        figure applied in the previously prepared CBO cost estimate for 
        Lumbee recognition for the 2012-2016 period. Again, for costs 
        to decrease over the course of a decade, while inflation and 
        the Lumbee population continued to grow, defies logic. 
        Moreover, there is no justification for the CBO using a smaller 
        per-user cost figure than IHS uses.
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    \29\ ``Indian Health Service: Spending Levels and Characteristics 
of IHS and Three Other Federal Health Care Programs,'' GAO-19-74R, 
available at https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-19-74r.
    \30\ IHS Fact Sheet, available at https://www.ihs.gov/sites/
newsroom/themes/responsive2017/display_objects/documents/factsheets/
IHSProfile.pdf.

   Although the cost estimate for H.R. 2758 indicates that it 
        is for the period 2023-2027 (a five-year period), it actually 
        only attributes costs to the bill for the years 2024-2027 (a 
        four-year period). Outlays for 2023 are estimated at $0. 
        Moreover, without explanation, outlays for 2024 are estimated 
        at roughly half of the amounts estimated for years 2025, 2026, 
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        and 2027. Exhibit 8.

   Estimated IHS costs do not include the cost of developing 
        necessary healthcare infrastructure, such as hospitals and 
        clinics, to service the sizeable population of Lumbee service 
        recipients.

   The CBO cost estimate accounts only for IHS and BIA costs. 
        However, if recognized, the Lumbees would become eligible for 
        significant funds from multitude of federal funding sources 
        outside of these two agencies. These other funds are not 
        accounted for in the H.R. 2758 CBO cost estimate. Estimated 
        costs for other agencies that would provide services or 
        benefits to the Lumbees as Indians, if recognized, must be 
        included for the CBO cost estimate to be accurate and 
        comprehensive. Exhibit 8.

    The impact of Lumbee recognition on appropriations to other Indian 
tribes would be unprecedented in the history of federal acknowledgment. 
Accounting for the above--identified flaws with the previous CBO cost 
estimate, the Eastern Band estimates the cost of Lumbee recognition to 
be in the billions of dollars. Accordingly, this bill would have a 
huge, negative impact on the budgets of BIA and IHS and would decrease 
even further the sorely needed funds Indian people receive as a result 
of treaties and trust obligations of the United States to Indians and 
tribes. This Committee and the Congress should not support this 
legislation for emotional or political reasons, particularly without 
being absolutely certain that this group constitutes a recognizable 
Indian tribe in accordance with the objective criteria at the OFA, 
which it cannot.
Conclusion
    If this Committee and the Congress choose to pass this legislation, 
the consequences will be dramatic for existing federally recognized 
tribes. First and foremost, politics will have won a decided victory 
over sound policy. The notion of ``taking the politics out of federal 
recognition'' will have suffered its most severe setback in history.
    With federal recognition comes the ability of a group to engage in 
serious activities associated with sovereign status, such as the 
ability to tax and enjoy certain tax advantages, the ability to 
exercise civil jurisdiction over non-Indians as well as Indians, and 
the right to engage in gaming. Enacting legislation like this only arms 
those who seek to erode sovereign rights with evidence that some groups 
possessing such rights were haphazardly afforded them. That is, the 
sovereign status of federally recognized tribes is currently under 
attack, with opponents arguing that tribes should be treated as little 
more than racial groups, devoid of treaty rights and a government-to-
government relationship with the United States. Accordingly, federal 
recognition of tribes should be able to withstand the scrutiny of the 
federal courts that are responsible for interpreting the laws that 
uphold the United States' trust obligations.

        *The attachment exhibits to this prepared statement have been 
        retained in the Committee files.

    The Chairman. Chief Hicks, thank you very much.
    Chief Barnes, welcome.

       STATEMENT OF HON. BEN BARNES, CHIEF, SHAWNEE TRIBE

    Mr. Barnes. [Greeting in Native tongue.] Ben Barnes, 
[phrase in Native tongue].
    Senator Committee on Indian Affairs, Madam Chair Murkowski, 
Vice Chairman Schatz, Senator Mullin, other Senators of the 
Committee, niyaawe for inviting me.
    My name is Ben Barnes, Chief of the Shawnee Tribe and Chair 
of the United Indian Nations of Oklahoma, serving the 38 
federally-recognized tribal nations in Oklahoma. I also serve 
as the Chair of the National Native American Boarding School 
Healing Coalition.
    Let me begin with a truth that our elders teach us. 
Sovereignty is the inheritance of tribal survival, not the 
reward for claiming it. Our nations exist because our ancestors 
endured forced removal, warfare, termination policies, and the 
boarding school system.
    Federal recognition does not make a tribe. It acknowledges 
a people who never ceased to exist.
    When the United States forced my people from Ohio, through 
Kentucky and Missouri, to Kansas, and finally to Oklahoma, we 
did not reinvent ourselves at each river we came to. We 
remained Shawnee. We carried our ceremonies in secret. We kept 
our language alive in whispers. Our government lived in the 
hearts of our people, even when the United States wished it 
would vanish.
    Nationhood is not a label to be chosen, but an identity 
carried through generations of removal, loss, and resistance. I 
have seen what happens when identity becomes something someone 
can simply declare.
    Across every homeland we were forced through, Ohio, 
Missouri, Kentucky, Kansas, there are now groups calling 
themselves Shawnee who do not speak our language, they hold no 
Shawnee ceremonies, they appear nowhere in our historical rolls 
or records, and they have no documented Shawnee ancestors or 
ties to our community.
    The first time one of those groups opened a bank account 
using the name ``Shawnee,'' I learned a hard lesson: if 
identity becomes self-proclamation instead of a documented 
history, sovereignty becomes a sand castle waiting for the 
tide.
    That is why we are here, to defend a sovereignty paid for 
in blood, land, and the children.
    Now, turning to the matter before this Committee. For 
years, this group has moved from identity to identity, the Lost 
Colony, Croatan, Cherokee, Cheraw, Siouan, Lumbee, changing 
claims but never producing documentation to support any of 
them. And so, the United Indian Nations of Oklahoma turned to a 
respected historian and genealogist to examine the record.
    That research did not attempt to define who the Lumbee are. 
It simply asked a single question: can the Lumbee's tribal 
claims be verified by historical and genealogical evidence? The 
resounding answer was no.
    The expert found no demonstrated descent from a historical 
tribal nation, no continuous tribal government before the mid-
20th century, no ancestral indigenous language community, and 
census records showing ancestors identified as free persons 
under British and American law, but never as a tribal polity.
    Those findings do not come from emotion or politics. They 
come from archives, from documents, and history.
    Now I must speak from a sacred place, the place where grief 
and memory live in our communities. As chair of the National 
Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition, I have 
carried the names of Native children who never came home. I 
have walked the ground where they lie without markers. I have 
sat with survivors who still flinch when they hear their Native 
languages because it only brought punishment.
    The Lumbee have invoked Indian boarding school history to 
claim indigeneity. But the record tells another story. Nine 
individuals now held up in Lumbee narratives attempted to 
enroll at the Carlisle Indian Industrial School. Carlisle 
rejected them because they did not meet the Federal definition 
of Indian. They were only admitted after claiming, falsely, to 
be Cherokee.
    An independent genealogical review shows not one of the 
nine had Native ancestry. Yet their descendants now identify as 
Lumbee, and Lumbee leadership presents that episode as proof of 
tribal status. That is not survivorship. That is borrowing our 
pan to manufacture political identity.
    Our children's trauma is not a credential. Our unmarked 
graves are not a strategy. Our ancestors' suffering is not a 
political accessory. To allow trauma to be impersonated is to 
betray the memory of the children and denigrate oneself.
    There is a path established to Federal recognition, the 
Office of Federal Acknowledgment. It exists to examine history, 
continuity, and nationhood. It is open to the Lumbee. They have 
been told they may use it. They refused.
    The truth is simple. People confident in their history do 
not avoid the place where history is examined.
    So, I close where I began, with sovereignty. Tribal nations 
pre-date the United States. Federal recognition does not create 
us, it acknowledges us.
    If Congress replaces documented history with political 
momentum, if identity becomes a matter of assertion rather than 
continuity, then this body will not be recognizing tribes, it 
will be manufacturing them. And once that begins, sovereignty 
will not be defined by history, but by votes.
    Niyaawe, [phrase in Native tongue]. I welcome your 
questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Barnes follows:]

      Prepared Statement of Hon. Ben Barnes, Chief, Shawnee Tribe
    Chairwoman Murkowski, Vice-Chairman Schatz, Members of the Senate 
Committee on Indian Affairs, niyaawe, thank you for inviting me to 
testify on this important subject. My name is Ben Barnes. I serve as 
Chief of the Shawnee Tribe and Chair of the United Indian Nations of 
Oklahoma, representing the Tribal Nations now based in the state of 
Oklahoma. I also serve as Chair of the Board of the National Native 
American Boarding School Healing Coalition.
    Let me begin with a truth our elders have taught us: Sovereignty is 
the inheritance of tribal survival. The Shawnee Tribe and other 
sovereign tribal nations from across Oklahoma and the United States 
continue to exist today despite federal policies and actions intended 
to end our existence as both humans and as separate sovereigns. 
Important for the subject of this hearing today, federal recognition of 
groups claiming to be tribes--sovereignty is not and cannot be created 
by Congress as a reward for simply claiming to be a tribe.
    The Shawnee Tribe and other tribal nations exist today because our 
ancestors endured forced removal, warfare, termination policies, and 
the boarding school system. We entered into treaties with the United 
States as a consequence of these policies and actions. Federal 
acknowledgment of a group cannot create a tribe. Federal recognition 
does not make a tribe. It acknowledges a tribal sovereign that pre-
existed the creation of the United States.
    To understand our perspective, it is essential to remember: In 
Indian Country, tribal identity and individual identity as a tribal 
citizen is not formed by modern circumstance--it is proven by history 
and continuity. When the United States forced my Shawnee people from 
Ohio, through Kentucky and Missouri, to Kansas, and finally to 
Oklahoma, we did not reinvent ourselves at each river we came to. We 
remained Shawnee. We carried our ceremonies in secret. We kept our 
language alive in whispers. Our culture and our government lived in the 
hearts of our people, even when the United States wished it would 
vanish.
    That is what nationhood looks like--not a label chosen to meet a 
moment, but an identity carried through generations of removal, loss, 
and resistance. I have seen what happens when identity becomes 
something someone can simply declare. Across every homeland we were 
forced through--Ohio, Kentucky, Missouri, and Kansas--there are now 
groups calling themselves Shawnee who:

   Do not speak our language,

   Practice no Shawnee ceremonies,

   Appear nowhere in our historical rolls or records, and

   Have no documented Shawnee ancestors or ties to our 
        community. None.

    The first time one of those groups opened a bank account using the 
name ``Shawnee,'' I learned a hard lesson: If identity becomes self-
proclamation instead of documented history, tribal sovereignty becomes 
a sandcastle waiting for the tide. That is why I am here--we are here--
to defend a sovereignty paid for in blood, land, and the lives of our 
ancestors, not a construct of modern paperwork.
    Now, turning to the matter before this Committee: For years, this 
group claiming to be a tribal sovereign has shifted from one identity 
to another--the Lost Colony of Roanoke, Croatan, Cherokee, Cheraw, 
``Siouan,'' Lumbee--changing claims but never producing documentation 
to support any of them. The so-titled ``Lumbee Fairness Act'' promotes 
this shifting tribal identity, prohibiting the Department of the 
Interior through the Office of Federal Acknowledgment from taking a 
close look at the Lumbee group's vague claims of tribal and individual 
identity.
    Out of concern for the integrity of tribal recognition and 
sovereignty, the United Indian Nations of Oklahoma turned to a 
respected historian and genealogist to examine the record. That 
research did not attempt to define who the Lumbee are. It simply asked 
a single question: Can the Lumbee's tribal claims be verified by 
historical and genealogical evidence?
    The answer was a resounding no. The expert found:

   No demonstrated descent from a historic tribal nation

   No continuous tribal government before the mid-20th century

   No ancestral Indigenous language

   Census records showing ancestors identified as free persons 
        under British and American law, never as a tribal polity

    Those findings do not come from emotion or politics. They come from 
the Lumbee's own petition for federal acknowledgment before the Office 
of Federal Acknowledgment, as well as archives, documents, and history. 
I attach our expert's reports to this written testimony for your 
review. *
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    * The Executive Summary: Analysis of Lumbee Historical and 
Genealogical Claims By Jean M. Kelley, M. A. has been retained in the 
Committee files.
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    Tribal nations based in Oklahoma care deeply about this issue, and 
understandably so. Oklahoma is the final homeland for many tribal 
nations that once occupied in lands across the country. It was the 
destination for negotiated and forcible removal. Tribal pretendianism--
groups falsely claiming to tribal nations and falsely claiming 
sovereignty and rights to bury our ancestors and practice religious 
ceremonies that do not belong to them and claim lands and falsely 
claiming to be Indian--is a modern phenomenon. Literally hundreds of 
groups falsely claiming to be tribes, many of them treaty-based tribes 
now based in Oklahoma, have sprung up across the country.
    Now I must speak from a sacred place--the place where grief and 
memory live in our communities. As Chair of the National Native 
American Boarding School Healing Coalition, I have carried in my heart 
the names of Shawnee and other Native children who never came home from 
federal boarding schools. I have walked and prayed on the ground where 
they lie without markers. I have been in rooms where Shawnee children 
lived and slept in the Shawnee Indian Mission Manual Labor Boarding 
School in Kansas and were prohibited from seeing their parents who came 
to visit them. I have sat with Indian boarding school survivors who 
still flinch when they hear their own language because it once brought 
punishment.
    The Lumbee have invoked Indian boarding school history to claim 
Indigeneity. But the record tells another story. Nine individuals now 
touted in Lumbee narratives attempted to enroll at the Carlisle Indian 
Industrial School. Carlisle rejected them because they did not meet the 
federal definition of Indian. They were only admitted after claiming--
falsely--to be Cherokee. And independent genealogical review shows not 
one of the nine had Native ancestry. Yet their descendants now identify 
as Lumbee, and Lumbee leadership presents that episode as proof of 
tribal status.

        That is not survivorship.
        That is stealing our pain to manufacture political support.
        Our children's trauma is not a credential.
        Our unmarked graves are not a strategy.
        Our ancestors' suffering is not a political accessory.

    To allow trauma to be impersonated is to betray the memory of our 
children and denigrate oneself.
    There is an established path to federal recognition--the Office of 
Federal Acknowledgment at the Department of the Interior. The OFA 
protects my Tribe and other established tribes from false claims of 
tribal and individual identity that, unfortunately, we have seen over 
and over with the Lumbee. The OFA exists to examine history, 
continuity, and nationhood. The Solicitor of the Interior has made 
clear in a reasoned opinion that the OFA process is open to the Lumbee. 
They have been told they may use it. They filed a petition for federal 
acknowledgment in the OFA but now refuse to complete the process, 
choosing politics and emotion over facts.
    The truth is simple: People confident in their history and ancestry 
do not avoid the place where history and genealogy are examined. So, I 
close where I began--with sovereignty. Tribal nations pre-date the 
United States. Federal recognition does not create us--it acknowledges 
us. If Congress replaces documented history with politics, asking which 
elected officials want it and abandoning the difficult merits questions 
at issue here, if identity becomes a matter of assertion rather than 
continuity, then this body will not be recognizing tribes--it will be 
manufacturing them. And once that begins, sovereignty will be defined 
not by history, but by votes.
    Niyaawe. I welcome your questions.

    The Chairman. Chief, thank you very much. Thank each of you 
for your testimony here today, and for the opportunity to now 
engage in a round of questions.
    I am going to defer my questions to Senator Markwayne 
Mullin from Oklahoma. You may begin.
    Senator Mullin. Thank you so much.
    Chief Barnes, how was the Shawnee Tribe recognized?
    Mr. Barnes. We had a separation from the Cherokee Nation in 
the year 2000. As I said, we were under the authority of 
Cherokee Nation as citizens.
    Senator Mullin. How were you recognized? Which path did you 
choose for recognition?
    Mr. Barnes. We had a path of recognition to separate us 
from the Cherokee Nation. And that was established by an act of 
Congress.
    Senator Mullin. Act of Congress. How many paths of 
recognition is there for a tribe to go through?
    Mr. Barnes. You have an act of Congress, you have an OFA 
process.
    Senator Mullin. And you chose to go through Congress 
because?
    Mr. Barnes. We had an OFA review. We came down to a 
document that was signed by Fred Huffman in the 1960s. And if 
our continuity of government, it hinged upon that government 
being continuous. So as part of our separation, our separation 
was not identifying us as a tribe. It was separating our tribe 
from the Cherokee Nation. We relate to the Oklahoma----
    Senator Mullin. But you asked for recognition through 
Congress, right?
    Mr. Barnes. That was how our process happened, yes, sir.
    Senator Mullin. Do you believe the Lumbees are Natives?
    Mr. Barnes. It is not what I believe, sir. I have no belief 
in the matter. My matter is in the OFA. I believe in the 
process. I believe that the OFA process exists whenever the----
    Senator Mullin. But isn't there two ways to be recognized, 
right? Congress has the authority to recognize, right?
    Mr. Barnes. I agree, yes.
    Senator Mullin. Okay.
    Chief Hicks, do you believe the Lumbees are Natives?
    Mr. Hicks. I think there is potentially Native descent. It 
doesn't make them a tribe.
    Senator Mullin. Why did North Carolina recognize them, 
then, in 1985?
    Mr. Hicks. North Carolina, to my understanding, has 
different standards for the recognition. I am not sure today 
that the Lumbee could pass the standards that have been put in 
place by the State of North Carolina.
    Senator Mullin. Did the Federal Government recognize them 
in 1956?
    Mr. Hicks. To my understanding, and my conclusion of the 
1956 Acts is, simply recognize the name of those who self-
proclaimed Indian in a five-county area in eastern North 
Carolina.
    Senator Mullin. Did the Federal Government recognize them 
as a tribe in 1956? That is my question.
    Mr. Hicks. I don't believe so, not in my conclusion.
    Senator Mullin. So do you believe there are two paths for 
recognition and Congress has a right to recognize them?
    Mr. Hicks. I do agree with that, yes.
    Senator Mullin. Now, you raise concerns that it was the 
cost, is that correct?
    Mr. Hicks. Yes, that was part of my testimony.
    Senator Mullin. So if it is the cost, should the Federal 
Government not recognize any more tribes coming in?
    Mr. Hicks. That wasn't the point of the cost. I think it 
needs to be----
    Senator Mullin. Well, it is, because when you are raising 
cost, you are raising the cost that it would be to recognize 
the Lumbee Tribe. Because I do believe they are Native. I have 
been accused of not being Native, and I always laugh, and I 
say, I can't control who my ancestors loved. But I still live 
on the same allotment of land where my family stopped walking. 
Because I am Cherokee, and I am proud to be Cherokee, and my 
family has been there since 1840. But yet I have been accused, 
because I may not look full Native.
    And I have a problem when someone starts saying that, I 
actually take it a little personally. And Chief, there is 
actually a split between Cherokee Nation and the Eastern Band, 
would you agree?
    Mr. Hicks. What is your question?
    Senator Mullin. There was a split between Cherokee Nation 
and the Eastern Band. Cherokee Nation, my ancestors, we walked, 
and the Eastern Band stayed back. Correct?
    Mr. Hicks. That is correct.
    Senator Mullin. But you were federally recognized. 
Shouldn't you be recognized underneath Cherokee Nation at that 
point?
    Mr. Hicks. I mean, if you look at----
    Senator Mullin. Because we are all descendants, Cherokee 
Nation.
    Mr. Hicks. Do I get to respond?
    Senator Mullin. Sure.
    Mr. Hicks. So, if you look at the history of recognition, 
obviously, the OFA was not established until 1978. The 
government stopped doing treaties in 1871. The Cherokees, 
without question, was an established government. If you look at 
the----
    Senator Mullin. I know the history of the recognition. I 
get that. My point is that you are saying that the Lumbees, 
that they are or aren't descendants of the Eastern Band or 
Cherokee Nation, really, because Cherokee, so it would be your 
descendants of Cherokee Nation, in my opinion. But you are 
saying that they should be recognized because they should be 
part of you, but you should be part of Cherokee Nation.
    It doesn't make any sense to me, because you are 
complaining about cost, you are complaining about their path to 
recognition. You are complaining that they may or may not be 
Native because they don't have the heritage behind it.
    And I am saying, well, they were recognized in 1885. The 
cost shouldn't matter, because if that is the cost, we 
shouldn't allow any more tribes to come in, we should stop 
enrollment, because we have a Federal obligation as Congress, a 
treaty obligation, a Constitutional obligation to have 
oversight of the tribes.
    We have the authority to be able to recognize tribes, 
without question. And it just seems like this argument 
continues to go through because of, my opinion, of the 
territory dispute. That is my opinion. Because you can't look 
over there and say they are not Native. I mean, turn around, 
look. And you are telling me they are not Native?
    Mr. Hicks. I have seen the crowd.
    Senator Mullin. Okay, and you are saying that that is not 
Native faces?
    Mr. Hicks. That is not for me to determine. That is for the 
OFA process.
    Senator Mullin. I know, but we are determining it.
    Mr. Hicks. That is an OFA process.
    Senator Mullin. And that is why I support recognizing them. 
Because my fight up here has been always for Native Americans. 
I was shocked, when I got up here, when I first got to 
Congress, it was just Tom Cole and I were the only Natives in 
Congress at the time. I am in the Senate, I am the only Native 
American in the Senate now.
    And I hate when we fight among ourselves. Because we should 
all be in the same boat rowing the same direction. If we are 
Native, then we were wronged a long time ago by the United 
States. And we have been fighting for recognition for a long 
time.
    And when we have in-house fighting, it causes Congress 
sometimes to have an impasse. I think you know that. This 
happens all the time. Lot of times it has to do with gaming. 
And all we are saying is, the Lumbees have a right to be 
recognized just like you have the right to be recognized.
    Mr. Hicks. We don't disagree with that, as long as it is 
through the OFA process.
    Senator Mullin. But if they have two options, why is it 
your opinion that they choose the one to go through Congress?
    Mr. Hicks. Because that is why this department is 
established, is for evidence and----
    Senator Mullin. But there is clearly two paths. And I 
appreciate the paths they took.
    Chair, thank you for the extra time. Thank you for allowing 
me to go first. And for the record, that has already been 
established by Interior, they do support this process and they 
support the Lumbees becoming recognized. And I to also support 
the Lumbees being recognized.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Mullin.
    Senator Schatz?
    Senator Schatz. Thank you, Chair, and thank you to the 
testifiers.
    Just a couple of thoughts before I ask Professor Locklear a 
couple of questions. I think it is really important to assume 
good faith here. What I have heard is a kind of concerning 
series of accusations about bad faith. And I am trying to go 
back to 1888 and imagine that the Lumbee people, whatever they 
were calling themselves, whatever language they were using at 
the time, say, you know what, why don't we pretend we are a 
Tribe and petition the Federal Government? If this is a 
conspiracy, it is a longstanding kind of odd, counterintuitive 
conspiracy.
    The more likely explanation is what the Department of 
Interior said about 90 years ago, 100 years ago, when they 
explicitly said, we are not going to recognize this Tribe 
because the census is too large. Because we can't afford to 
absorb the cost of delivering services.
    By the way, I think that is a valid concern for 
Congressional appropriators, right, if we are to recognize 
Lumbee, the rolls just increase, the total number of people in 
Indian Country went up, which means IHS, BIE, BIA and all those 
services are going to have to increase by the percentage that 
the rolls increase.
    That is a real issue. It is just not a reason not to grant 
recognition.
    The reason I am animated about this is that I don't know 
whether Native Hawaiians are ever going to come back to this 
Congress and seek recognition. But I remember, I was not here, 
but I remember when Danny Akaka, Chairman of this Committee, 
tried to get recognition. And the arguments were, do you know 
how many people that is? Do you know how much that is going to 
cost? And then, well, they are not Indians.
    And so I don't take it as personally as Senator Mullin, but 
I do take it personally.
    And I will just say one other thing. You can go through the 
administrative process or you can not. But the Constitution 
vests not just the Congress but this Committee with this 
authority.
    So it may be that you think we should have gone, or these 
folks should have gone through the administrative process. Fair 
enough. But that is not a meaningful obstacle to consideration 
of Lumbee recognition.
    Professor Locklear, I want to give you an opportunity to 
again, respectfully, rebut some of the claims made by opponents 
of this legislation. Three things: Lumbee has used different 
names for themselves; that they have no language; and that they 
do not descend from an historic tribe. Could you address those 
three assertions?
    Ms. Locklear. With pleasure, Senator, and thank you for the 
question.
    First of all, with regard to the name, and why it came 
about, the Lumbee children in 1884 were not able to go to 
school. Our children could not read or write. We were not 
allowed to attend either white or African American schools.
    In 1885, our leaders sought recognition from the State of 
North Carolina for the purpose of establishing schools for our 
children. We prevailed, with the assistance of a Mr. McMillan 
in the House, who deemed himself to be an amateur historian at 
the time. Mr. McMillan chose the name Croatan for our people, 
but in his legislation, he did important things. He established 
a government-to-government relationship, he allowed the 
creation of an independent school system run by the tribe, 
limited to tribal children, and taught by members of the tribe.
    To my knowledge, no other tribe in the United States can 
claim that history. So, beginning in 1885, we controlled our 
own school system until the 1970s, when a Federal district 
court ruled that the State of North Carolina must desegregate 
its school system.
    We thought we were exempt from that, because after all, we 
are an Indian tribe. But the judge told our parents, you must 
bus your children, because this is a racial classification, 
because you are not federally recognized.
    Senator Schatz. Okay, and to the language?
    Ms. Locklear. Yes. There is no requirement in either 
Supreme Court or other Federal court authority or the 
acknowledgement regulations that our opponents so warmly 
embrace that require the presence of a language.
    Senator Schatz. Yes, a lot of these things, it seems to me 
are, they are historical facts, and they are, they happened 
because of United States Federal Government policy. We lost 
language because of Federal policy. People lost a land base 
because of United States Federal Government policy.
    And it is not surprising that the Department of Interior 
repeatedly rejected the claims of the Lumbee people, because 
the Department of Interior, the idea that we should accept the 
precedent of the Department of Interior from generations back 
when I think there is unanimous bipartisan agreement that the 
whole purpose of this Committee is to reverse all of those 
policies, termination and assimilation.
    And to use that as a proof point against recognition I find 
to be not compelling.
    Now, there are criteria that we are to use to determine 
whether or not to recognize Lumbee. But the idea that, well, 
DOI didn't do it in 1930, or they don't have their own 
language, well, there are, frankly, we work a fair amount on 
language revitalization, and there are a lot of tribes that 
have very few Native speakers left or none.
    So none of this is disqualifying, because frankly, many, 
many Native people across the Country have experienced that.
    I did not expect to get so exercised, but I appreciate your 
testimony.
    Ms. Locklear. If I may?
    Senator Schatz. With the Chair's permission.
    The Chairman. Go ahead.
    Ms. Locklear. Thank you. One final fact on the language 
point that I think is important. Vine Deloria, when he 
testified in 1988, made note of the fact that he had not only 
personal knowledge of the Lumbee Tribe but also family 
knowledge of the Lumbee Tribe, because his aunt, Ella Cara 
Deloria, had gone down to the community, who was a noted 
linguist, for the purpose of studying the remnants that 
remained of tribal languages. And she made note in 1940 that 
those remnants existed and her purpose was to establish a 
dictionary.
    She did not complete that work because she was not able to 
get funding. They were not interested in our community, to do 
so.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Vice Chairman.
    Chief Hicks, I want to direct this to you, because you have 
made very clear that on behalf of the Eastern Band, that you 
think that the Lumbee should go through the Office of Federal 
Acknowledgement, through the administrative process rather than 
come for recognition through Congress. Maybe it is accurate 
that the administrative route is perhaps more costly, harder to 
do, subjective. Maybe we need to look at that in terms of 
whether greater oversight is needed there.
    But as Senator Mullin has indicated, there are two tracks, 
two routes that you can proceed through for recognition. I 
almost find it curious that Federal recognition is ultimately 
about a political relationship between a sovereign tribe and a 
Federal Government. It just seems somewhat curious that we 
actually set up a process where that decision can be delegated 
entirely to administrative state.
    But I am not going to ask you to resolve that question for 
me. What I want to turn to is in your written testimony, you 
claim that the Lumbee situation is uniquely beyond Congress' 
capacity to understand and evaluate. Can you explain why you 
feel it is unique in some ways, separate from other tribes that 
have gained recognition through Congress? Because again, we 
have this process, it has been repeatedly exercised in terms of 
its Constitutional authority to gain tribes.
    So if you can cite to what you feel are some of the unique 
aspects as to why Congress should not be the avenue here.
    Mr. Hicks. Thank you, Chairlady, for that question. I think 
if you look at the gaps that have been clearly identified by 
historians, by researchers, related to the history, these are 
aspects that I feel need expertise. They need genealogists. 
They need historians that do this on a daily basis.
    Unfortunately, Congressional staff don't always have the 
expertise to really dig into the subject matter documents or 
the church records or court records, things of that nature, to 
really relate back to what is necessary as we feel to prove 
what you are saying is substantiation.
    So again, I think as you look at that setup and that 
structure, OFA is better suited to make these determinations.
    The Chairman. How do you respond then to Ms. Locklear's 
statement that she made early on that given the number of 
Congressional hearings here in the Senate, in the House, that 
this issue of Federal recognition that Lumbee is seeking has 
not established quite a voluminous Congressional record with 
which to be able to turn to?
    Mr. Hicks. I truly believe that if the Lumbee group would 
go through the OFA process, they would get the answer that they 
are looking for, wherever that answer falls. As you think about 
it, this issue of well over a century old. And it continues to 
come back to the same conclusion: there are too many gaps in 
the genealogy, there are too many gaps in the history, there is 
no treaty relationships. Lumbee does not have a sister tribe in 
Oklahoma.
    There are so many things here that need to be evaluated. 
That is the importance of why it needs to go through the OFA 
process.
    The Chairman. Ms. Locklear, let me turn to you. You have 
testified that Congressional recognition is needed to correct 
what you have termed an injustice. Beyond that, you have some 
practical differences between recognition through Congress and 
recognition from the Federal acknowledgement process. You have 
the ability to take land into trust, particularly in the post-
Carcieri world here.
    Can you speak to some of these practical differences 
between the legislative and administrative recognition and 
whether you think those are drivers for this legislation?
    Ms. Locklear. Absolutely, they are. Let me summarize with 
just a few points.
    First of all, I think it is important to put this 
controversy in some general history. As the Special Indian 
Agent reported in 1915, in the O.M. McPherson report, there is 
a history of 300 years of hostility between the Cherokees to 
the west and the ancestors of the Lumbee people, including the 
Cheraw, the Hatteras, and related Siouan-speaking people. I 
think it is important to understand that context.
    As to the other issue, so, as a practical matter, because 
of that, only Congress could resolve it forever. We have been 
at this for more than 100 years now. I guarantee you that were 
the tribe to go through the acknowledgement process and 
succeed, as I am confident we would, there would be a lawsuit 
filed by the Eastern Band of Cherokee to try and set that 
administrative agency decision aside.
    That would not resolve it. There is only one way to finally 
resolve it, and that is through a conclusive act of Congress 
that extends full benefits and services.
    As you also implied, there is a problem with the Carcieri 
issue, which relates to eligibility of newly-recognized tribes 
to receive land into trust and thereby we treat it like all 
other federally-recognized tribes. Because of that 2009 Supreme 
Court decision that we call Carcieri, the only way to resolve 
the eligibility of the Lumbee for that process is through an 
act of Congress. Only Congress can clearly indicate that it 
considers the 1934 date to be insignificant, and whatever may 
arise out of the Carcieri decision, notwithstanding those 
terms, the tribe is nonetheless eligible for the land-into-
trust process.
    Finally, if there is going to be a special addressing of 
the cost factor, we don't think it is necessary, which I am 
happy to expand on, but only Congress can do that as well. 
Congress is the one who appropriate the money, and if there 
needs to be more money for the Lumbee services, Congress can do 
that.
    We think the existing processes for appropriations will 
protect the presently-recognized tribes. Both the BIA and IHS 
processes provide that only through the appropriation of 
additional funding that pays for those services will the Lumbee 
members receive those services at the end of the day. So 
federally-recognized tribes now are protected.
    That being the case, if they believe there should be an 
increase in Federal funding for the IHS and the BIA, again, 
that is a political decision to be made by the Congress. So we 
think for all of those factors, one final one, if I may.
    Only one other time in history has the Congress put an 
Indian tribe in the same position that it put the Lumbee Tribe 
in 1956. And that was with the Ysleta del Sur Pueblo of Texas. 
Congress passed a statute in 1968 for that tribe, which was at 
the time federally recognized, which basically said, we 
transfer any responsibility we have for this tribe to the State 
of Texas, and we are going to impose termination language upon 
the tribe.
    In the legislative history of that act, it specifically 
says that 1968 Act, which then referred to the Natives as Tiwas 
of Texas, was modeled upon the 1956 Lumbee Act, the only other 
time Congress has done that. And Congress fixed that problem in 
1987, by passing legislation to recognize fully the Ysleta del 
Sur Pueblo of Texas.
    Now, if Congress does the same for us, there are no other 
tribes in that position. And that is what makes it fair and 
just, as well as the only appropriate and fully dispositive way 
to finally and conclusively resolve these issues.
    The Chairman. Senator Cortez Masto?

           STATEMENT OF HON. CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM NEVADA

    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. I appreciate the comments 
from everyone, and the uniqueness of the hearing today.
    Ms. Locklear, let me ask you this. There are two ways to 
process, ways to get this recognition, we have talked about 
that. One is through Congress, you have talked about that.
    Ms. Locklear. Yes.
    Senator Cortez Masto. And then the other is through the DOI 
and the Office of Federal Acknowledgement.
    Am I hearing today that we should eliminate the Office of 
Federal Acknowledgement and just rely on Congress to do this in 
the future?
    Ms. Locklear. Not at all.
    Senator Cortez Masto. So do you have any concerns with the 
Office of Federal Acknowledgement and how the process plays 
out?
    Ms. Locklear. Historically, we have. And we have expressed 
those, along with other non-federally-recognized tribes in 
various forums.
    Senator Cortez Masto. I am saying now, right now. Not 
historically, now. We are here now, and we need to address 
this. Are there any concerns that you have with the office 
right now?
    Ms. Locklear. It has greatly improved as a result of the 
changed regulations in 2015.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Okay, so can I just say, Chairman 
Lowery, what is to stop you? It sounds like you have the 
support of the administration, you have the support of DOI. 
What is to stop you from going through that process now and 
getting what you are seeking, to go through an evidence-based 
process to address some of the concerns that we have heard from 
the other tribe?
    Mr. Lowery. Yes, ma'am. Although there have been changes to 
the BIA process, we still do not know if it is going to take 
20, 30 years just like it already does. I don't want my people 
waiting another 30 years to go through the process. And then 
once there has been a rendering done by BIA, there will be 
opponents who can thing bring forth a lawsuit.
    And I have no doubt that Eastern Band of Cherokee 30 years 
from now would bring forth a lawsuit that would take us into 
another 10 to 20 years. And then 50 years from now, my grandson 
will be sitting here doing the same thing.
    Senator Cortez Masto. So the concern is that there would be 
a lawsuit to any decision that was made by OFA?
    Mr. Lowery. Absolutely. And the concern is how many decades 
is it going to take. So I think Congress really needs to take a 
look at the BIA process. I don't know any other government 
program that takes 20 to 30 years to come to a conclusion.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Ms. Locklear, let me ask you, does 
the process, is that part of the problem, do we need to look at 
the OFA and say, this process is taking 30 years, that is too 
long? Do we need to address this in Congress?
    Ms. Locklear. Frankly, that may be the case, Senator.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Is that true?
    Ms. Locklear. At this point, we don't have enough 
experience with how the new regulations will be administered to 
give a full answer to that question.
    Senator Cortez Masto. So there are new regulations now that 
the tribe has not gone through, so you don't know how long it 
would take, is that right?
    Ms. Locklear. That is correct.
    Senator Cortez Masto. So let me ask you both, Chief Hicks 
and Chief Barnes, you talked about this. Let me just say, I 
understand the two ways to do this. One is through Congress, 
you have to get the votes, through the members of Congress. No 
guarantee you are going to get that.
    But there is also an evidence-based approach. I am not in a 
position to look out into the audience and, like some of my 
colleagues, to say who is a member and who isn't. Just like I 
am not in a position, and I don't think I should be looking out 
in my community and saying, just because you have brown skin, 
you are undocumented.
    So there has to be an evidence-based approach. That is why 
it was created in Congress. But if it is not working, I would 
want to know. Because that is not fair. But we need to hear 
that conversation. So let me ask both Chief Barnes, as well as 
Chief Hicks, talk to me about this evidence-based approach, and 
why it is so important that the administration have a process 
like this.
    Mr. Barnes. If I may, Senator, and thank you for that 
question. I will give you an example of one that did take a 
considerably shorter time, Little Shell Tribe. Little Shell was 
denied at OFA, and then they went through Congressional 
process.
    Indian Country decried that and said, no, you got this one 
wrong. The Chippewas came together and said, no, you got this 
one wrong, this one is a tribal nation, and historically, 
because of a technicality on Little Shell, Little Shell is a 
tribal nation.
    So this is one of those instances where the OFA process, 
even though it is flawed, and I don't know of any Federal 
institution that is perfect at this time, even though the OFA 
is not perfect, it still yielded some results on behalf of 
Little Shell, which ultimately did tribal nations come together 
and say, on their behalf, look at the evidence. And this 
technicality should not keep Little Shell from being a tribe.
    All we ask is they follow the same path as Little Shell. Go 
through the OFA process.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Okay. Chief Hicks, anything else to 
add to the process?
    Mr. Hicks. Yes, I do feel, as I responded earlier, is that 
the OFA is without question, uniquely equipped to critically 
evaluate all the related criteria. And there are several 
criteria that come into play, based on the claims. Having 
skilled, highly-skilled and professionally experienced folks to 
do that I think is critical.
    But I do want to just respond to the other question around 
the OFA process. We have supported, openly supported, the 
expedited approach for this group to go through this process. 
And in more than one scenario.
    And we still feel that there is an opportunity to not 
extend this 20 or 30 years, that it is something well short of 
that, to do this evaluation properly and to get the answer that 
is being sought in a timely manner.
    And again, publicly, we support that. And we think that it 
is a good decision.
    Senator Cortez Masto. So you would support, if they were to 
go through that process, you would work with them to say, this 
needs to be expedited by the administration, we want something 
in a timely fashion?
    Mr. Hicks. Without question.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Let me stop there. I know my time is 
up. Madam Chairwoman, thank you.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator.
    I just have a couple more questions here this afternoon. I 
will probably direct this to you, Chairman Lowery.
    It is pretty clear that a tribe's authority to basically 
determine to define its membership is really central to its 
existence as an independent political community. The 
legislation that Senator Tillis has introduced directs the 
Secretary of Interior to verify the Lumbee Tribe's roll for 
service delivery purposes.
    The verification is limited to confirming documentary proof 
that members meet the criteria established in the Tribe's 
constitution that was adopted November of 2001.
    So a couple of questions for you this afternoon. Right now, 
as it stands, what is required for enrollment in the Lumbee 
Tribe?
    Mr. Lowery. Yes, ma'am, thank you for the question, 
Senator. We have a base roll, we have a couple of base rolls. 
One is the 1900 census and one is the 1910 census. The reason 
those are our base rolls is because this is the first time that 
the Federal Government, in the standard census process, 
actually identified American Indians.
    So you have to be able to trace your lineage directly back 
to the 1900 or the 1910 census. If you do not have an ancestor 
that was documented by a Federal census as an American Indian, 
you cannot be a member of our tribe.
    Also, you have to maintain contact. We are very big on, if 
you do not live at home, you have to come back home. You have 
to come back to the homelands.
    The Chairman. What does that mean, when you say maintain 
contact? Come back for like an annual meeting, or what 
specifically?
    Mr. Lowery. Well, we have it where you have to come back 
every seven to eight years. So you have to come back, you have 
to visit, you have to maintain a relationship with your people. 
You cannot become, you cannot go and get your citizenship and 
then leave out and never come back home. We require our 
citizens to come back and to maintain contact with their tribal 
community.
    The Chairman. And at this moment, how many do you currently 
have enrolled?
    Mr. Lowery. We have just over 60,000 enrolled citizens of 
Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina.
    The Chairman. And then the source documents for enrollment 
are the two that you have just described?
    Mr. Lowery. Yes, ma'am.
    The Chairman. You have to be able to trace back to just 
those two?
    Mr. Lowery. Yes, ma'am.
    The Chairman. Okay. And then this one is probably directed 
to you, Ms. Locklear. There has been a fair amount of 
discussion today about the various names over the course of a 
century. It wasn't until later that the Lumbee officially 
adopted their name.
    Because the point has been kind of disputed by witnesses 
today, and made a little bit of an issue, can you state for the 
Committee record today which historical tribe or tribes the 
Lumbee Tribe descends from?
    Ms. Locklear. I can, and I can do so based on the record 
that has been developed by this Committee. There are two 
principal sources for that, the O.M. McPherson report from 
1915, which identifies the ancestry of the tribe as the Coastal 
North Carolina Tribes, Siouan-speaking related tribes, 
including the Cheraw, the Hatteras and others.
    In addition, you had the testimony of John Swanton, the 
preeminent anthropologist in the field, in 1934, who testified 
that in his view, the tribe descended principally from the 
Cheraw and related Siouan-speaking tribes. That has been the 
consistent theory.
    As a result of that theory, the Lumbee people became 
dissatisfied with the name that the State of North Carolina had 
imposed upon them in the various State laws that recognized the 
tribe, first Croatan, then Indians of Robeson County, and then 
Cherokees of Robeson County.
    As a result of that pressure from the Lumbee Tribe, in 1952 
the State of North Carolina conducted a referendum among our 
member and said, which name do you choose to go by? And we 
overwhelmingly, almost unanimously chose the name Lumbee, which 
as I indicated earlier, we had used informally since at least 
the 1920s.
    That is important too, though, because it shows the link 
between the current Lumbee Tribe and the Cheraw community. The 
Lumbee Tribe resides around Lumber River. Lumber River was 
named that in 1809 by the State of North Carolina. Previously, 
it was known as Drowning Creek. And the first reported map of 
the area, in 1724, by John Herbert, identifies the Cheraw 
residing around Drowning Creek.
    We have been there ever since. It is the same community, 
regardless of the name.
    Let me say in one final point, that again, the 
administrative process that our opponents so embrace, 
specifically provides that if there is an entity, a collective 
entity that has existed for at least 50 years, which is plainly 
the case at Lumbee, since 1885 and the school records and the 
Federal census records that show it, that entity can be 
recognized, and I am quoting here, ``notwithstanding any 
absence of or changes in name.''
    It is not the name. It is the Indian people that you are 
recognizing.
    The Chairman. Final question I will direct to you, Chief 
Hicks. The issue of cost has also been raised here at this 
hearing today. You noted that estimates from CBO are a little 
bit all over the board, may not be entirely accurate here.
    Can you clarify for the Committee what factors you think 
might be contributing to these differing cost estimates? I 
agree with my colleague from Oklahoma that, while cost should 
not influence a level of recognition of tribal status, it is 
something that, I am dual-hatted, I am not only chairman of the 
authorizing committee, I am also chairman of the appropriating 
committee. So I can't help but want to try to understand some 
of the financial implications of this.
    Can you, if you are able, try to clarify a little bit about 
why we got such a broad range of estimates that are out there?
    Mr. Hicks. I think, as was brought up by both Senators 
around that question, we have had a third party take a look at 
the prior CBO score. One of the things that was flawed in that 
score was typically CBO does a five-year financial score. In 
that particular scenario, they only included four years for 
some reason.
    In addition to, we are fairly certain that all of the 
Federal agencies, whether it is IHS, whether it is BIA, BIE, 
amongst others, were not adequately included in that number. 
Because if you go back to the prior two CBO scores, one of 
those was close to double in years prior to this prior CBO 
score. I think it was around 21, 22, what I have in my notes.
    But again, we think there were flaws in that particular 
score. The estimates that we think over a five-year period is 
probably in the range of $2 billion to $2.3 billion, over a 
five-year period, if all agencies are included.
    The Chairman. Thank you.
    Senator Schatz?
    Senator Schatz. Thanks to everybody for testifying. I just 
want to make one final point.
    I know we have kind of gone around and around on this. But 
I think I speak for every member of the Senate on this 
particular question. You can think we should defer to the 
administration, but we don't have to. Article 1, Section 1 of 
the Constitution gives us this authority.
    Now, there is a statute that also delegates this authority 
to the administration. But it does not require that recognition 
go through an administrative process. You can think we are 
unwise for not kicking it to the administration. But you cannot 
say that we are not permitted to recognize a Tribe. That is a 
Constitutional obligation and authority of the Congress, but 
specifically the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs.
    So if you want to make the argument that we need to build a 
historical record and that you trust this agency within an 
agency more than you trust us, that is fine. That is fair. But 
this is still our authority. And we clearly intend to exercise 
it.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Madam Chair, can I respond to that, 
as a member of the Senate?
    The Chairman. Yes, go ahead.
    Senator Cortez Masto. I am sorry, but I did not hear 
anybody saying that we don't have that authority. I think it 
was very clear that people recognize there is a dual track 
here. And the question is, Lumbee has chosen one path, and they 
are asking us as members of Congress to support that path.
    And there is another side that is saying, no, there is an 
evidence-based path. That is what is before us. I did not hear 
from anybody, nor have I heard that somehow they are preventing 
us as members of Congress from doing our jobs.
    So I do, as a member, I don't want you speaking for me, I 
do recognize both sides of that.
    Senator Schatz. Senator Cortez Masto, I don't think anybody 
said that directly today. But I will say that some of the 
organizations that have been steadfastly opposed to Lumbee 
recognition have actually made advertisements about 
circumventing the administrative process and undermining the 
Tribal recognition process by going to Congress.
    So that is what I was speaking to. I know it was sort of 
obliquely referred to, and you were suggesting that we were 
going to, of that it would be better if we go through the 
administrative process. My own view is that this is a 
Congressional authority, that the DOI has screwed this up for 
generation after generation, and that is time for us to make a 
choice.
    The Chairman. I want to thank the members of the Committee. 
I want to thank those who have come to testify today. I 
appreciate your helping us continue to build out this record.
    Members may submit additional questions for the record, if 
they choose. The hearing record will be kept open for two more 
weeks.
    I also want to thank those who have attended. We are a 
pretty small committee on most days. And we don't have to go 
into a big committee room like this. But I think those who have 
joined today are evidence of the interest in this as an issue 
and I think your presence is important to us as well.
    Know that this Committee takes very seriously, as the Vice 
Chairman has said, our role and our responsibility when it 
comes to Federal recognition of our tribes, and ensuring that 
the sovereignty that they have is recognized Congress, by the 
administration and the responsibilities that we have.
    I want to thank everyone for the testimony that you have 
presented in a way that I think has been respectful, which is 
very important to the debate, the dialogue, the discussion. 
Because I know that it can be contentious. And I know that 
oftentimes, issues like these pit neighbor-to-neighbor, 
community against community. And that is hard, and particularly 
when you have been living with it for decades, if not over a 
century.
    So, I respect the way that you have come to be before the 
Senate Committee on Indian Affairs today, and your 
contributions.
    With that, the Committee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 3:58 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]

                            A P P E N D I X

              Prepared Statement of Dr. Frederick E. Hoxie
    Good afternoon Chairwoman Murkowski, Vice Chairman Schatz and 
members of the Committee on Indian Affairs. This statement is made not 
as an expert in Lumbee history, but as a veteran historian who has 
taught and written about Federal Indian law and policy for more than 
four decades and who, through that activity, has had the opportunity to 
work with and consult for a number of tribal nations, government 
agencies and cultural institutions.
    Among these are the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, the U.S. Department 
of Justice, this very Committee, and the Smithsonian Institution. I 
retired in 2016 from the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, 
where I was Swanlund Professor of History, Law and American Indian 
Studies. That wordy academic title underscores the breadth of my 
background and experience. Over the past forty years I have taught 
hundreds of undergraduates, law students and graduate students in 
history, anthropology, and Native Studies, while publishing a dozen 
books on Native History, and serving as a consultant to several 
government agencies as well as tribes engaged in litigation over issues 
of jurisdiction and treaty interpretation.
    In 1990, the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution appointed me 
a founding trustee of the National Museum of the American Indian--an 
institution that existed only on paper when I first came aboard. In 
2013 I was elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. My 
statement is informed by the specific research done on the Lumbee 
Tribe's history and community by other notable experts in the field, in 
particular that of Dr. Jack Campisi (author of the Lumbee Tribe's 
petition for Federal acknowledgment), Dr. Karen Blue (author of the 
Smithsonian Handbook of North American Indians chapter on the Lumbee 
Tribe), Dr. Raymond Fogelson (deceased, editor of South East Volume, 
Smithsonian Handbook of North American Indians), and the eminent Dr. 
William Sturtevant (deceased, general editor of the Smithsonian 
Handbook of North American Indians).
    I ask you to consider three important aspects of the decision 
before you with regard to this legislation. First, I want to explain 
the importance and significance of extending Federal recognition to the 
Lumbee Tribe. When Congress approves the Lumbee Fairness Act it will 
finally place relations between this tribe and the United States on a 
firm and fair footing. That is admirable and important--and long 
overdue--but that is only part of the story. By approving S. 107 
Congress will also be fulfilling once again its unique responsibility 
as the architect of the modern legal edifice that reconciles Native 
tribes and American democracy.
    Second, I want to underscore the significance of the written case 
the Lumbees have developed in their campaign to secure Federal 
recognition, a case that conforms to the scholarly literature on the 
tribe and which is beyond dispute in the academic community.
    And third, I want to place the decision to recognize the Lumbee 
Tribe in the broader context of recent Federal Indian policy--a policy, 
I might add, that represents an island of bipartisanship in a 
contentious political world.
    It is important to understand why the passage of S. 107 is 
significant in the long history of Federal Indian policy. The basic 
foundation of this policy was framed in 1789 during the first session 
of the first U.S. Congress. In that year--the first year of George 
Washington's presidency--it was not clear what the official basis for 
relations between indigenous people and the United States would be. The 
recently-ratified Federal Constitution had provided that Congress would 
``regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, 
and with the Indian tribes,'' but it had not indicated the form that 
regulation would take. Similarly, the new charter had granted the 
President the right to ``make treaties'' but had not specified if the 
colonial tradition of Indian treaty-making would continue or, if that 
tradition would be a Federal responsibility or somehow shared with the 
states. The Constitution was also silent on the issue of whether or not 
future Indian treaties would have the same status as agreements with 
powers outside the nation's borders.
    President Washington and Congress immediately addressed these 
issues by proposing that a series of agreements recently reached with a 
group of hostile Ohio tribes be ratified as international treaties. For 
Washington, it was essential that the central government sanction and 
guarantee these agreements. Washington understood that the delicate 
situation in Ohio (British troops still occupied Detroit) required the 
formation of a stable alliance between western Indians and the 
Americans.
    At the same time, the President knew that local politicians and 
real estate developers were eager to destabilize the situation in Ohio 
by making private deals with compliant chiefs and then encouraging 
settlers to invade tribal lands. A weak Federal presence would 
encourage instability (and weakness) on our borders while allowing 
local disputes to proliferate and increase the chances of violence.
    Washington and his Secretary of War, Henry Knox, urged Congress to 
assert Federal supremacy over Indian treaty-making and to insist that 
action by the Congress alone would determine U.S. Indian policy. The 
President insisted that such an approach would ensure that ``our 
national proceedings. . . [would] become uniform and directed by fixed 
and stable principles.'' \1\ It seemed to Washington that our 
government would be well served by a ``fixed and stable'' policy 
overseen by Congress. Washington was a practical man, so ``fixed 
principles'' appealed to his sense of order. But Washington was also 
the hero of the Revolution, the leader of the world's first, most 
ambitious constitutional democracy. So he urged Congress to act 
according to ``fixed principles'' in order to make clear that our 
democratic republic would be a place where stable justice trumped 
opportunism and the rule of law took precedence over the arbitrary 
exercise of brute power. ``The time has arrived,'' Henry Knox wrote, 
``when it is highly expedient that a liberal system of justice should 
be adopted for the various Indian tribes within the limits of the 
United States.'' \2\ These arguments galvanized Congress. Within a 
year, it had enacted Washington and Knox's program, ratifying treaties 
with tribes, initiating new agreements, and passing the first Trade and 
Intercourse Acts which established Federal ground rules for Indian-
white relations throughout the nation.
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    \1\ Linda Grant Depauw, Editor, Senate Executive Journal and 
Related Documents (Baltimore: John Hopkins Press, 1974), I, p.41.
    \2\ American State Papers: Indian Affairs, 13-14.
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    Today it is commonplace that many treaties have been violated and 
many Federal actions have been misguided or fallen short of their 
goals. No one argues that U.S. policy has been perfect. But as we 
reflect on our failings, we should not forget the significance of the 
actions Congress took more than 230 years ago. Through its legislation, 
Congress made clear that despite the fact that Indian people were for 
the most part not citizens and had not been part of ``We the People,'' 
who established the United States Constitution, they would be included 
within the new nation's emerging legal structure. Our legal structures 
would not banish or consign them to the machinations of powerful land 
speculators or ambitious state politicians.
    Congress's decision to include Indian peoples in our national 
governmental structure through Federal legislation was made to ensure 
that indigenous people would be served, like all Americans, by a 
``liberal system of justice.'' This fundamental commitment underlies 
the entire history of our Indian policy. It is the principle that has 
caused Congress and the courts to hear complaints arising from treaty 
violations and, indeed, to authorize special tribunals to hear disputes 
over unfair land seizures or to investigate a vast array of contentious 
issues arising from relations between Native communities and their 
American neighbors. It is also the basis on which Congress has acted to 
repair the harm inflicted on Native groups by U.S. expansion and to 
support tribal communities. You will recall that even the extension of 
national citizenship to American Indians in 1924 provided that their 
new status would not deprive Native Americans of any rights they had to 
``tribal or other property.'' \3\ ``Fixed principles,'' and a ``liberal 
system of justice'' have therefore been watchwords of Federal policy 
from the days of our founding.
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    \3\ 43 U.S. Statutes, 253.
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    Formal treaty making with Indian tribes ended in 1871, but the 
Congress has not retreated from its central role in insuring that a 
``liberal system of justice'' informs relations between tribes and the 
United States. The issue of recognition offers an instance in which you 
as legislators must act--as Washington urged your predecessors to act--
to link the Lumbee Tribe permanently to the United States through a 
legal relationship based on mutual respect and Federal action. This 
recognition legislation is completely congruent with the hundreds of 
other decisions Congress has made over the past two centuries to 
connect the United States to indigenous peoples by incorporating them 
into a stable and just governmental structure.
    Historically, recognition has been an idiosyncratic process. Tribes 
such as those confronting American expansion in Ohio in 1789 were 
instantly recognized by treaty or statute. Others, particularly smaller 
groups living in isolated communities in the East, were frequently 
bypassed and ignored. Many of those tribes later sought recognition 
because that legal status would be a sign of their humanity and an act 
of respect. Recognition was also welcome because it signaled that 
federal power would be used to protect them from hostile outsiders and 
ensure that they, like their neighbors, could enjoy life in America 
under a ``liberal system of justice.''
    By approving S. 107, the Congress will not only respond to more 
than a century of formal petitions from the Lumbee Tribe, but it will 
demonstrate once again that the United States is fulfilling 
Washington's charge that the nation act according to ``fixed and stable 
principles'' in its dealings with indigenous people.
    I would also like to point out that the Lumbee's written petitions 
filed over many years demonstrate that the tribe deserves this 
congressional action that will formally connect it to the United States 
and incorporate the tribe within the legal structure of Federal Indian 
policy. This is firmly corroborated by the history written by Dr. Jack 
Campisi appearing in the Tribe's petition for Federal acknowledgment 
and the consistent and supportive view of other historians and 
anthropologists. Dr. Campisi makes clear that Indian people, identified 
early on as Cheraw, were present in what became Robeson County three 
centuries ago. Moreover, despite the fact that the Tribe's indigenous 
ancestors have been described by different names, there can be no doubt 
that an Indian community has occupied this part of eastern North 
Carolina continuously since John Herbert produced his map of the area 
in 1725. The group has been undeniably present.
    It has also been continuously present. Lumbee families can trace 
their histories back to the Indians who lived along Drowning Creek at 
the time of the American Revolution. The Lumbee Tribe has insisted on 
its Native identity in the face of hostility and indifference, 
petitioning when possible, rising up in armed resistance when 
necessary, and always speaking with a Native voice and as members of an 
ongoing Native entity.
    The Tribe's recognition petitions and Dr. Campisi's history also 
underscore that the Lumbees have been a self-governing community. 
Obviously, because of the nature of their history they were never 
called upon, like other tribes, to confront an advancing American 
military column or treaty delegation. They were not commanded to 
produce ``leaders'' as other groups were. Located in an isolated part 
of one of the original thirteen colonies, the Lumbees faced myriad 
local adversaries who encroached on their lands and resources but who 
could be kept at bay by diplomacy, adaptation and, when necessary, 
tactical retreat. Over the past two centuries, the community came to 
organize its own extensive religious institutions, operate its own 
school system (capped by the first Native American university in the 
United States), and routinely represent itself before state and federal 
legislatures.
    Dr. Campisi's research on behalf of Lumbee recognition in the 1980s 
and his history presented here have not been challenged. A large group 
of Indians are permanent residents of Robeson County. They have been a 
cohesive community for centuries and they have developed a series of 
unique tribal institutions that have served their membership 
brilliantly despite the constraints imposed by their unusual historical 
experience. That history, as well as the petitions they have brought 
the Congress today, present legislators with the task of reconciling 
this indigenous community with our modern, democratic nation state. The 
historical record is both clear and beyond reasonable dispute. Congress 
has no honorable alternative but to act in response. The Lumbees' 
petitions might be ignored--no one is forcing you to act--but even if 
you fail to act positively on this legislation, the Lumbee history will 
not be rewritten and the Lumbee Tribe will not surrender its identity.
    It is also useful to consider S. 107 in the context of the history 
of tribal recognition. In the past, the recognition of individual 
tribes was a product of happenstance--tribes with diplomatic or 
military dealings with the United States (usually in moments of 
conflict) got ``recognized,'' while others who did not become the 
objects of territorial expansion--such as those who were geographically 
isolated (as in Alaska) or who inhabited isolated enclaves in 
``settled'' areas--did not. Over time, these unrecognized groups, 
particularly large ones like the Lumbees, became increasingly vocal, 
demanding equal access to Federal assistance in the areas of education, 
economic development and health care, as well as Federal protection 
from hostile outsiders. The Lumbees gained state recognition in 1885 
and began petitioning the Federal government for assistance three years 
later. These petitions continued into the 1950s when first the state, 
and then the Federal government acknowledged the Tribe under the name 
``Lumbees,'' even though the Department of Interior opposed extending 
services to it.
    Nothing has changed in the historical record of the Tribe over the 
past fifty years. The current legislation is not prompted by the 
release of new documents or the discovery of new historical 
information.
    S. 107 is instead the product of Lumbee persistence--now a central 
feature of their history--and shifting attitudes among the public and 
Federal policymakers. As recently as the 1960s, tribes were viewed as 
artifacts of the past, relics of a traditional way of life that would 
soon disappear. For many in the Department of the Interior, tribes were 
anachronistic institutions whose principal function was to receive 
wasteful federal appropriations. In the 1950s, many politicians and 
prominent officials in the Bureau of Indian Affairs came to embrace 
this unfortunate idea and called for the adoption of a new policy goal: 
the termination of the Federal government's relationship with tribes. 
Led by Commissioner of Indian Affairs Dillon S. Meyer, and politicians 
such as Utah Senator Arthur Watkins, the terminationists succeeded in 
the 1950s and 1960s in winning passage of a congressional resolution 
endorsing their goal. They also managed to secure legislation that 
severed the Federal government's relationship with several tribes, most 
prominently the Menominees of Wisconsin and the Klamath Tribe in 
Oregon. This policy also found voice in the 1956 Lumbee Act with its 
termination language, added at the request of the Department of the 
Interior.
    Opposition to termination arose quickly. Tribal leaders called to 
arms by the leaders of the National Congress of American Indians (NCAI) 
were particularly outspoken. They argued that the new policy goal 
represented a betrayal of the United States' commitment to the 
``settled principles'' that had been the stated basis for federal 
policy since 1789. The most effective protests occurred at 
unprecedented inter-tribal gatherings in Washington, D.C. in 1954 and 
in Chicago in 1961. Never before had so many tribal leaders gathered to 
express themselves with one voice. As these protests proliferated, they 
inspired the leaders of major tribes and the representatives of 
unrecognized groups, to speak out. Among the latter were Lacey Maynor 
of the Lumbees, and his daughter, Helen Schierbeck, both of whom became 
leading opponents of termination.
    While tribal protests blunted the momentum of termination during 
the 1950s and 1960s, that policy goal was not entirely abandoned until 
1970 when President Richard Nixon issued a ``Special Message on Indian 
Affairs'' that called on Congress to ``break decisively with the past'' 
by adopting a policy of ``self-determination'' rooted in what the 
President described as the ``solemn obligations which have been entered 
into by the United States . . . [and] which carry immense moral and 
legal force.'' Nixon's statement reflected a bipartisan commitment to 
this new approach. His ``Special Message'' stated flatly that 
termination was wrong and could not succeed. By focusing on ``self-
determination,'' Nixon declared, the United States would now turn 
``from the question of whether the Federal government has a 
responsibility to Indians to the question of how that responsibility 
can best be fulfilled.'' \4\
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    \4\ Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: Richard 
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    Historians are often the first to point out that major ``turning 
points'' are often little more than midpoints between other ``turning 
points,'' but Nixon's 1970 declaration--which itself drew wide, 
bipartisan support--marked the start of a period in which there was a 
broad consensus that fulfilling the ``solemn obligations'' of the 
United States to Native peoples should be carried out through policies 
that were respectful of tribal traditions, supportive of tribal 
governments, and sensitive to the vast diversity among Native tribes. 
After 1970, tribes would no longer be viewed as inconvenient 
anachronisms, but would become active partners in the administration of 
Federal policy. Remarkably, despite political differences that have 
continued over funding levels, the extent to which federal officials 
should impose themselves in local conflicts, and how far the powers of 
tribal governments might reach, there has been little dissent from the 
idea that tribal governments should be central partners in the 
administration of Federal policy, or from the expectation that tribes 
will be permanent features of the governmental landscape. Tribes are 
essential institutions in Indian education, health care, economic 
development, social welfare and resource management. As Nixon 
predicted, Federal agencies no longer debate whether to work in 
partnership with tribes, but how to do so.
    Lumbee recognition should be understood in the context of this 
history of recent policy. The Lumbee Tribe seeks to link itself to the 
United States through the ``settled principles'' of law and mutual 
respect. The historical record provides a justification for this 
linkage that is both persuasive and widely-accepted within the 
scholarly community. And despite the deep political divisions of our 
time, effective tribal governments are universally recognized as key to 
the implementation of federal policy and the future of indigenous 
peoples within the United States. This context makes a compelling case 
for positive action on S. 107.
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Prepared Statement of Hon. Jim Owle, Chairman, Eastern Band of Cherokee 
                         Indians Tribal Council
    Chairman Murkowski, Vice Chair Schatz, and Members of the 
Committee:
    On behalf of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians (Eastern Band), I 
want to thank the Committee for holding a serious discussion on federal 
recognition and for allowing the presentation of historical and 
documentary evidence regarding the Lumbee group. I also want to 
acknowledge the excellent testimony provided by Principal Chief Michell 
Hicks, whose clear presentation of the issues reflects the gravity with 
which the Eastern Band approaches this matter. I add my voice today in 
full support of his testimony and to further underscore the principles 
that guide our position.
    For too long, this debate has been driven by political narratives, 
assumptions about appearance, and misunderstandings about Cherokee 
history--when what Indian Country deserves is clarity, accuracy, and 
respect for tribal sovereignty.
    The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is one of the three federally 
recognized Cherokee tribes, with a continuous documented history, a 
land base, a government, and a treaty relationship with the United 
States. I offer this testimony to reinforce the record and to ensure 
that the Committee's understanding of our history and our concerns is 
complete and firmly grounded in fact.
The Eastern Band's Responsibility in This Discussion
    During the hearing, there were suggestions--implicitly and 
explicitly--that the Eastern Band is somehow obstructing recognition or 
casting ourselves as the antagonist in this debate. That portrayal is 
simply false.
    Our position is rooted in a principle every tribe depends on: 
Federal recognition must be based on evidence.
    The Eastern Band welcomes any group that can demonstrate, through 
the same standards applied to every other tribe, that it meets the 
criteria for federal acknowledgment. We do not oppose communities. We 
oppose lowering the standards that protect all of Indian Country.
    The record concerning the Lumbee is not ambiguous. The historical, 
genealogical, and governmental documentation has been reviewed for 
decades, and where evidence is required, the Lumbee claims are 
inconsistent, unsupported, or directly contradicted.
    Federal recognition is not an act of generosity. It is not a 
political favor. It is one of the most significant legal determinations 
the United States can make. Every tribal nation's sovereignty depends 
on the integrity of that determination.
    That is why the Eastern Band speaks--not in rivalry or animosity, 
but in defense of a process that protects every tribal nation.
Cherokee History and the Status of the Eastern Band
    Several comments during the hearing mischaracterized Cherokee 
history and the relationship between our tribal nations. The Eastern 
Band and the Cherokee Nation share ancestors, but we are distinct, 
sovereign governments with separate and well-documented histories.
    The Eastern Band did not break away from the Cherokee Nation. Our 
ancestors remained in, returned to, or fought to stay in our homelands 
after the Treaty of New Echota and the Trail of Tears. These families 
reorganized under their own leadership, purchased land, and maintained 
continuous political existence in the western region of present-day 
North Carolina. Congress recognized the Eastern Band based on this 
continuous history--because it existed, plainly and demonstrably, in 
the record.
    The Eastern Band is not subordinate to any other Cherokee tribe, 
nor derivative of another tribe's recognition. We honor our shared 
Cherokee origin while maintaining our own sovereignty, as the United 
States has long acknowledged.
    The Eastern Band takes care to represent Cherokee history 
faithfully. We expect the same rigor when discussing the history of any 
group seeking federal recognition.
Why Appearance Cannot Replace Evidence
    One of the most alarming moments in the hearing occurred when a 
Member of the Senate instructed tribal leaders to look at people seated 
in the audience and judge whether they ``look Native.'' The Senator 
then stated that he supports recognition because he sees ``Native 
faces.''
    That moment demonstrates precisely why the acknowledgment 
regulations were created.
    Indian identity is not determined by appearance.
    It is not based on skin tone, facial features, or a lawmaker's 
intuition.
    The use of physical appearance to judge who is or is not Native is 
a relic of ignorance and racial profiling in a period of deep bias 
against non-white individuals. It has been proven to have no value in 
determining tribal identity. Reducing Native identity to skin tone or 
facial features would drag Indian Country back to an era when federal 
agents and anthropologists measured noses, cheekbones, and skin color 
in a misguided attempt to declare who was ``Indian enough.'' Those 
practices were never grounded in truth, were thoroughly discredited 
long ago, and have no place in modern federal decision-making.
    The United States established a merit-based process at the strong 
urging of the tribal nations through the National Congress of American 
Indians because tribal identity must rest on continuous community, 
continuous political authority, descent from a historical tribe, and 
documentary evidence connecting the present to the past.
    These are not technicalities. These are the safeguards that protect 
every sovereign tribal nation from flawed decisions based on politics, 
personal impressions, and stereotypes.
    Requiring evidence is not disrespect. It is respect--respect for 
all tribes, for the government-to-government relationship, for the law, 
and for the truth.
Congressional Authority and the Question Before This Committee
    Throughout the hearing, much emphasis was placed on Congress' 
authority to recognize tribes. The Eastern Band does not and has never 
disputed that authority. Congress has exercised it before and has the 
power to do so again.
    The question is not whether Congress can recognize a group. The 
question is whether Congress should recognize a group when the evidence 
does not support that conclusion.
    The Lumbee have no identifiable historical tribe they can 
demonstrate descent from, no continuous community, no continuous 
political leadership across time, and a documentary record 
overwhelmingly inconsistent with tribal existence.
    Statements made in the hearing that the Lumbee were ``recognized'' 
in 1885 are also incorrect. The North Carolina legislature in 1885 
acknowledged a name--''Croatan Indians''--based solely on self-
identification in a single county. State action of that kind cannot 
create federal recognition, cannot establish tribal continuity, and 
cannot substitute for historical documentation.
    The Office of Federal Acknowledgment (OFA) exists for precisely 
these circumstances: when claims, documents, and histories must be 
tested by experts with the training, methodology, and objective 
standards. If a group meets those standards, it deserves recognition.
    To legislate recognition in the absence of evidence would set a 
precedent that risks the sovereignty of every federally recognized 
tribe and undermines the credibility of the acknowledgment process that 
Indian Country and the government-to-government relationship depend on.
The Cost Debate: The Issue Is Not Dollars--It Is Responsibility
    During the hearing, some suggested that concerns raised by the 
Eastern Band relate to how much it would cost to recognize another 
tribe. That is not the issue.
    The issue is not the cost of fulfilling the United States' 
obligations to Tribal Nations. The issue is whether more than $2 
billion in federal resources will be diverted away from legitimate 
tribes still dealing with the generational consequences of federal 
efforts to eradicate them--and instead sent to a group that has not 
demonstrated Native ancestry, let alone descent from a historic tribe.
    Trust obligations are not discretionary. They are rooted in 
treaties, land cessions, removal, forced assimilation, and decades of 
federal policy designed to destroy Native nations. Every dollar 
appropriated for Indian Country exists because of those real, 
documented histories.
    And even today, those dollars are not enough. Tribes across the 
country continue to struggle with the compounded impacts of those 
historic harms--underfunded healthcare, chronic infrastructure 
deficits, housing shortages, and the ongoing work of cultural and 
language revitalization, among others. Redirecting billions in federal 
Indian programs to a group that cannot meet the basic evidentiary 
requirements of tribal existence is not a matter of compassion. It is a 
matter of justice, responsibility, and the integrity of federal 
obligations to tribes whose ancestors endured the full force of federal 
policies aimed at their dispossession, destruction, and eradication.
    If the Lumbee wish to access federal trust resources, they must 
first demonstrate--through a merit-based process and evidentiary 
criteria--that they are, in fact, a tribal nation.
Conclusion
    The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians stands for truth, fairness, 
and the protection of sovereignty across Indian Country. This debate is 
not about emotion, rivalry, or political convenience. It is about 
whether federal recognition remains grounded in evidence, history, and 
law.
    If any group believes it meets the federal criteria, the OFA 
process is open to them. If they are a tribe, the process will show it. 
If they meet the same criteria, we will welcome them wholeheartedly.
    But Congress must not replace proof with politics. Native identity 
is not a matter of appearance. It is not a matter of sympathy. It is 
not a matter of state legislation. It is a matter of history, evidence, 
and the sovereign-to-sovereign relationships that define tribal 
nations.
    Thank you for allowing me to submit this testimony. I am honored to 
join Principal Chief Hicks in presenting the Eastern Band's unified 
position, and we remain committed to working with all Members of this 
Committee to defend tribal sovereignty, uphold the integrity of the 
acknowledgment process, preserve the trust and treaty-based government-
to-government relationship between tribes and the United States, and 
ensure that future generations inherit a system rooted in truth.
    Sgi. Thank you.
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       Prepared Statement of the U.S. Department of the Interior
    Thank you for the opportunity to provide this statement for the 
record on S. 107, the Lumbee Fairness Act.
    The Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, recognized by the State of 
North Carolina since 1885, has sought federal recognition for more than 
a century. In 1956, Congress enacted the Lumbee Act, which identified 
the ``Lumbee Indians of North Carolina'' by name. The Act also 
contained language regarding the Lumbee Tribe's eligibility for full 
federal benefits and services that has been interpreted as creating a 
statutory barrier to full participation in federal programs and 
services benefitting a federally recognized Indian tribe, and as 
precluding the Lumbee Tribe from pursuing federal acknowledgment 
through the Department of the Interior's (Department) administrative 
process under 25 C.F.R. Part 83.
    On January 23, 2025, President Trump issued a Presidential 
Memorandum to the Secretary of the Interior declaring that it is the 
policy of the United States to support the full federal recognition of 
the Lumbee Tribe, including the authority to access full federal 
benefits and services. The Memorandum directed the Secretary of the 
Interior to review all applicable authorities, in consultation with the 
Lumbee Tribe, and submit to the President a plan to assist the Lumbee 
Tribe in obtaining full federal recognition through legislation or 
other available mechanisms. The Lumbee Tribe's leadership has continued 
to express to the Department their strong preference for federal 
recognition through an act of Congress over judicial action or the Part 
83 process.
    Federal recognition is a formal act by the United States government 
confirming a tribe's existence as a distinct political entity and 
establishing a government-to-government relationship between the tribe 
and the federal government. Through federal recognition, the United 
States recognizes tribal sovereignty with a tribe exercising its rights 
of self-determination and self-governance over its peoples and 
community.
    Since 1978, the Office of Federal Acknowledgment (OFA) has 
administered the Part 83 process, and it has been recognized for being 
thorough in its petition review. To date, the Department has granted 
eighteen petitions and denied thirty-four petitions for federal 
acknowledgment. Courts have unanimously upheld the Department's 
authority to acknowledge tribes through the Part 83 process. In the 
past, Congress has legislated federal recognition of Indian tribes in 
unique statutory circumstances without undermining OFA's regulatory 
role. For example, Congress has legislated to restore federal 
recognition to tribes previously subject to legislation terminating 
their relationship with the federal government. Legislative recognition 
of the Lumbee Tribe would not alter the availability or integrity of 
the Part 83 process for other groups. S. 107 is a case-specific 
resolution that addresses the unique statutory circumstances created by 
the 1956 Lumbee Act.
    S. 107 would amend the 1956 Lumbee Act to extend federal 
recognition to the Lumbee Tribe and make the members of Lumbee Tribe 
eligible for all services and benefits provided by the federal 
government to Indian tribes. Recognition of the Lumbee Tribe through S. 
107 does not diminish the rights or status of currently federally 
recognized Indian tribes. The bill also authorizes the Department to 
acquire trust land for the benefit of the Lumbee Tribe within Robeson 
County, North Carolina under 25 C.F.R. Part 151, designates a service 
area for delivery of federal services and benefits, and clarifies the 
extent of the State of North Carolina's criminal and civil jurisdiction 
over lands occupied by the Lumbee Tribe. These latter provisions would 
not be addressed in any Part 83 determination by the Department.
    The Department is committed to upholding its trust and treaty 
responsibilities to all Indian tribes and continues to strengthen 
tribal sovereignty across Indian Country. The Department supports S. 
107 as the most direct means to resolve ambiguities in the 1956 Lumbee 
Act and federally recognize the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina.
    The Department appreciates the opportunity to provide this 
statement for the record on S. 107, the Lumbee Fairness Act, and would 
welcome the opportunity to work with the Sponsor and Committee on 
ensuring effective implementation of the bill.
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                                              Shawnee Tribe
                                                  November 19, 2025
Hon. Lisa Murkowski, Chairman;
Hon. Brian Schatz,Vice Chairman,
Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,
Hart Senate Office Building,
Washington, D.C.

        Re: History of the Recognition of the Shawnee Tribe

Dear Chairman Murkowski and Vice Chairman Shatz,

    On behalf of the Shawnee Tribe, thank you once again for holding a 
substantive hearing to examine S. 107, the ``Lumbee Fairness Act.'' I 
write to supplement the record for the hearing conducted on November 5, 
2025 hearing and to provide a fuller response to Senator Mullin's 
question regarding the Shawnee Tribe's federal recognition and why 
legislation was the appropriate--and only--path in our case, but not in 
the case of the Lumbee group.
    The Shawnee Tribe's path to federal recognition differs 
fundamentally from the Lumbee situation for one simple reason: there 
was--and still is--no process at the Office of Federal Acknowledgment 
(OFA) for separating one federally recognized tribe from another. This 
gap in federal law arose from unique historical circumstances created 
by federal policy--not from any uncertainty about the Shawnee Tribe's 
identity or existence. Because the OFA lacked jurisdiction to address a 
situation in which a long-recognized Tribal Nation had been placed 
within another Nation's federal framework, legislation was the only 
lawful way to correct that structural problem.
    Even so, Congress did not act without scrutiny. The Senate 
Committee on Indian Affairs (SCIA) reviewed the Shawnee Tribe's history 
using the same seven mandatory criteria that the OFA applies, including 
the requirement for a 1960s-era document demonstrating continuity of 
political authority. This Committee examined Shawnee treaties, federal 
correspondence, agency reports, and internal governance records. The 
conclusion was unequivocal: the Shawnee Tribe had always existed as a 
distinct Tribal Nation with continuous leadership, community, and 
political life.
    The roots of this situation lie in the removal policies of the 19th 
century. The Shawnee people were forced from their eastern homelands 
through Ohio, Missouri, and Kansas. The ancestors of today's Shawnee 
Tribe--known historically as the ``Loyal Shawnee'' or ``Cherokee 
Shawnee''--entered the 1869 Shawnee-Cherokee Agreement, approved by 
President Grant under the 1866 Cherokee Treaty. That agreement 
relocated the Shawnee onto unoccupied lands within Cherokee Nation 
territory, but it did not dissolve the Shawnee Tribe. Our people 
maintained their own government, language, religious and ceremonial 
life, and membership rolls. At no point did the United States question 
who the Shawnee were or whether our treaties remained binding.
    Congress formally recognized these truths in the year 2000 when it 
passed the Shawnee Tribe Status Act (S. 3019), ``[t]o clarify the 
Federal relationship to the Shawnee Tribe as a distinct Indian tribe, 
to clarify the status of the members of the Shawnee Tribe, and for 
other purposes.'' This was not a ``federal acknowledgment,'' as that 
term is used in the law, but a clarification of a fact that had been 
true since long before the Shawnee moved onto Cherokee Nation lands in 
1869. There was never any question that the citizens of the Shawnee 
Tribe were Indians descended from the historic Shawnee Tribe, whose 
treaties with the United States remain in effect. Congress simply 
expressed in statute the continued existence of the historic Shawnee 
Tribe through its present citizens.
    This history stands in stark contrast to the Lumbee situation. The 
Shawnee case required legislation because OFA had no authority to 
address a unique federal anomaly involving two already-recognized 
Tribal Nations. The Lumbee case requires the opposite: a full 
evidentiary review by OFA, because their historical, genealogical, and 
political claims contain unresolved questions that only the federal 
acknowledgment process can answer.
    For the Shawnee, legislation corrected a federal structural 
problem. For the Lumbee, legislation would bypass the only process 
capable of establishing the truth.

        Niyaawe.
                                     Hon. Ben Barnes, Chief
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                                          November 10, 2025
Dear Senator(s)

    My name is Celestine Wilson, and I am from Brooklyn, New York. I am 
a descendant of the first-contact tribes of Cherokee, Catawba, 
Rappahannock and Arawak peoples. I also have family connections to 
relatives who have descended from the Lumbee people. Because of these 
ties, I have witnessed firsthand how the Lumbee story stretches far 
beyond North Carolina's borders and into communities in South Carolina, 
Tennessee, and across the country.
    The Lumbee are Urban American Indians with a continuous verifiable 
heritage: their land ties, their families, their language, and their 
lineal descendants remain intact. They deserve the opportunity to honor 
their ancestry and identity without being marginalized or 
disenfranchised.
    Despite President Trump's directive on January 23, 2025, calling 
for the advancement of Lumbee recognition, the Lumbee people continue 
to face unequal and disparaging treatment. I respectfully ask that this 
Committee fully support the Lumbee Fairness Act and ensure that the 
Lumbee receive the recognition and rights they have long been owed.

        Thank you,
                                           Celestine Wilson
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Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of myself, Claudia Anderson, I submit this testimony in 
strong support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the full federal 
recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President Donald J. 
Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 2020, affirmed the need to 
advance recognition for the Lumbee people, acknowledging their 
continuous historical presence, cultural identity, and governmental 
organization. This executive action reinforced what scholars, state 
officials, and generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained-
that the Lumbee are an Indigenous nation whose heritage, language, and 
governance merit the same federal rights and protections as other 
recognized tribes.
    My own Mattaponi grandmothers, Sarah Veney, and her daughter Rachel 
Veney, sued for their freedom and won. My Veney ancestors exemplify the 
deep historical continuity, kinship networks, and enduring survival of 
our people through centuries of systemic misclassification and 
exclusion. The Lumbee Fairness Act represents not only justice long 
delayed but a necessary step toward correcting decades of inequity in 
access to health, education, and sovereignty protections. I urge 
Congress to act without delay to pass this legislation, thereby 
honoring both the promise of federal trust responsibility and the self-
determination of the Lumbee people.

        Respectfully submitted,
                                           Claudia Anderson
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                           Coalition of Large Tribes (COLT)
                                                   November 4, 2025
Hon. Lisa Murkowski, Chairman;
Hon. Brian Schatz,Vice Chairman,
Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,
Hart Senate Office Building,
Washington, D.C.

Dear Chairman Murkowski and Vice Chairman Schatz:

    I am writing this letter as Chairman of the Coalition of Large 
Tribes (COLT). As you know, for a Tribe to be a member of COLT, the 
tribe must govern a land base of 100,000 acres or more. Of the 574 
Federally recognized tribes, only 52 Tribes meet these criteria and 
those 52 tribes govern 95 percent of the land and resources. Simply 
put, COLT is the leading voice for Large Land Base tribes nationwide.
    I write to respectfully urge you carefully consider funding 
additional Indian Country appropriations if the Committee advances the 
Lumbee Fairness Act (S.107), which would extend federal acknowledgment 
as a tribal nation to the Lumbee group in North Carolina and circumvent 
the Office of Federal Acknowledgment administrative process at the U.S. 
Department of the Interior. See Resolution: 08-16-2022, # 01-2022 (NN-
Twin Arrows), ``Resolution in Opposition to Federal or State 
Recognition of the `Lumbee Tribe,' `MOWA Band of Choctaw,' or Any Other 
Group Claiming to be a Tribal Nation that Seeks to Circumvent of the 
Department of the Interior's Office of Federal Acknowledgment (OFA) 
Process.''
    We would also like to remind the Committee that Senator Tillis 
grotesquely maligned tribal leaders in his November 21, 2024 floor 
remarks with respect to S. 2088/H.R. 3371--Wounded Knee Massacre 
Memorial and Sacred Site Act, which he blocked, creating significant 
tensions between COLT tribes and Lumbee leaders. \1\ Senator Tillis' 
statement on the floor expressing his disagreement with Lakota tribal 
leaders as grounds to block dignity for Wounded Knee families was 
wholly inappropriate. Likewise, Lumbees' subsequent support for his 
behavior is repellent. That is simply not how tribes behave--
countenancing a massacre and withholding justice for women and children 
as political convenience. Even knowing this, and while COLT's supports 
the longstanding policy and clear rules implemented by OFA, we also 
understand the specific history of the Lumbees, including that their 
state recognition since 1885, the 1956 Lumbee Act (enacted at the 
height of the Termination Era), and their longtime operation of tribal 
services, such as education from 1885, make them uniquely positioned 
for consideration for recognition by Congress.
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    \1\ Wounded Knee is a stain on the dignity of Congress and a point 
of extreme dishonor for the United States. On December 29, 1890, 
unarmed men, women and children were massacred at Wounded Knee. In the 
words of General Nelson Miles, on whose orders the Seventh Cavalry 
pursued ailing Chief Spotted Elk and his people across the frozen 
Plains and Badlands, his soldiers' actions constituted: ``the most 
abominable criminal military blunder and a horrible massacre of women 
and children.'' [DeMontravel, 1998, pp. 211-212]. Miles acknowledged, 
``Every day we hear of poor women, little girls and boys and children 
found dead and frozen to the ground, or crawling over the prairie, for 
a distance of one hundred miles north and south.'' [p. 206]. Testifying 
before the Commission on Indian Affairs in 1920, Miles said he 
``regarded the whole affair as most unjustifiable and worthy of the 
severest condemnation.'' [National Park Service].--Less than a year 
after the Massacre, General Miles wrote in a letter dated November 20, 
1891: ``Wholesale massacre occurred and I have never heard of a more 
brutal, cold-blooded massacre than that at Wounded Knee. About two 
hundred women and children were killed and wounded with little children 
on their backs, and small children powder-burned by the men who killed 
them being so near as to burn the flesh and clothing with the powder of 
their guns and nursing babes with five bullet holes through them .'' 
[Letter to Baird]--Nonetheless, 20 U.S. soldiers were awarded Medals of 
Honor for their murderous, terrorist actions at Wounded Knee. Medals of 
Honor are awarded in the name of Congress. For a decade, COLT and 
sister tribal organizations have been pursuing legislation to remove 
the stain the Wounded Knee Medals of Honor visit on America, as well as 
last Congress' S.2088/H.R. 3371--Wounded Knee Massacre Memorial and 
Sacred Site Act.
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    COLT requests that you closely analyze the cost of Lumbee 
recognition to taxpayers, and if you vote affirmatively on S. 107, that 
you also recommend appropriate funding additions to accompany what 
would become the fifth or sixth largest tribe in the country by 
population, rather than leaving such findings to the next 
Appropriations cycle.
    We have seen evidence that the cost of Lumbee recognition has been 
underestimated by approximately $2 billion by the Congressional Budget 
Office, including significant departures from CBO scores done 
contemporaneously for Little Shell and the Virginia tribes. This 
includes the CBO score going down while the Lumbee population has gone 
up. But we have also seen evidence that underestimate may not be 
accurate, inasmuch as the Lumbees already receive Indian Education, HUD 
and LIHEAP funds and would not need new appropriations for those 
programs. We also understand that the Lumbees' need for BIA services 
might be much more limited because they do not have a reservation or 
trust lands to administer. Further, we recognize that a newly-
recognized Tribe is not eligible for many programs until Congress 
appropriates funding.
    Yet, while some of the differences in CBO scoring may be explained 
by the Lumbees' unique circumstances and their successful efforts to 
inform the CBO, that is cold comfort to COLT member tribes' citizens to 
whom the United States already grossly underfunds its solemn Treaty 
obligations including healthcare, food and nutrition, and economic 
development and who see the potential for a new tribe of perhaps 60,000 
or more citizens to strain those scarce resources even more, with a 
current CBO score of $1,275,000,000 for just BIA and IHS over five 
years. These numbers are simply staggering to COLT tribes' citizens 
when our tribes govern land bases the size of some states with far 
fewer resources in very rural places. We look to the Committee to check 
all the math and ensure that our Treaty obligations are fulfilled 
irrespective of what other policy choices Congress might make with 
respect to recognition of a new and very large tribe.

        Very respectfully,
                               J. Garret Renville, Chairman
                                 ______
                                 
                          House Committee on Appropriations
                                                   November 5, 2025
Hon. Lisa Murkowski, Chairman;
Hon. Brian Schatz,Vice Chairman,
Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,
Hart Senate Office Building,
Washington, D.C.

Dear Chairman Murkowski and Vice Chairman Schatz,

    I wish to express my strong opposition to legislation that would 
allow the Lumbee group in North Carolina to bypass the established 
federal recognition process through the U.S. Department of the 
Interior.
    I am honored to represent North Carolina's 11th District, which 
includes the aboriginal and modern-day homeland of the Eastern Band of 
Cherokee Indians. This Tribal Nation is a cornerstone of our state's 
heritage, rich with culture, language, and sovereignty that is a 
treasure to the State of North Carolina and the United States. The 
Eastern Band Cherokees are the descendants of those who courageously 
fought to remain in their ancestral homeland when the federal 
government sought to forcibly relocate them along the Trail of Tears. 
The story of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is a profoundly 
American story, one of resilience, perseverance, and hope. It is out of 
respect for their legacy and for all federally recognized tribes, that 
I oppose efforts to circumvent the fair and rigorous process 
established for federal recognition.
    Today, a number of groups, such as the Lumbees, with no verifiable 
indigenous ancestry falsely claim Cherokee history, language, and 
culture as their own. The Lumbee group has sought federal 
acknowledgment for over a century, and Congress has repeatedly chosen 
not to act on Lumbee recognition due to concerns about the merits of 
their claims. The Lumbee Tribe does not identify with any specific 
historical tribe from which it claims descent and has not provided 
genealogical evidence to substantiate such lineage. Additionally, they 
do not have reservation land, a tribal language, or a single treaty 
with the United States.
    For nearly half a century, the Department of the Interior has 
carried out a merit-based process sanctioned by Congress to make these 
recognition determinations. The Office of Federal Acknowledgment (OFA) 
process exists to safeguard both Indian country and the public by 
ensuring that groups seeking this recognition can demonstrate verified 
descent and meet historical criteria.
    As a member of the House Appropriations Committee, we have funded 
the Indian Health Service and other essential priorities for our tribal 
communities in the recently approved FY26 bill. However, if the overall 
tribal population eligible for these services were to expand by more 
than 55,000 individuals, many of whom lack verified Native ancestry, it 
would place an unsustainable strain on already limited resources. I am 
deeply concerned that such an expansion would dilute the critical 
support intended for federally recognized tribes and make it 
increasingly difficult for appropriations to keep pace with genuine 
need.
    If the Lumbee group's case for federal recognition had merit, they 
would follow the established OF A process, as required by law. Instead, 
they have repeatedly sought special consideration from Congress and the 
Administration, despite credible opposition by dozens of federally 
recognized tribes.
    I urge this Committee to ensure that the Lumbee group's claims are 
evaluated by qualified experts through the proper administrative 
process. Granting federal recognition to any group without rigorous 
scrutiny undermines the integrity of the recognition process and the 
responsibility owed to federally recognized tribes. We must keep 
politics out of tribal recognition and ensure that such decisions are 
based on merit and evidence, not political pressure or unverified 
ancestry claims.

        Sincerely,
                          Chuck Edwards, Member of Congress
                                 ______
                                 
                                      District Heights, MD.

Dear Members of The Senate on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in Support of The Lumbee Fairness Act and the full Federal 
Recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President Donald J. 
Trump signed an Executive Order on November 12, 2020, in support of the 
recognition for The Lumbee Indians, acknowledging their continuous 
historical presence, cultural Identity, fairness, deca, education, and 
have access to their OK Heritage and Governmental Organization. This 
Executive action reinforced what scholars, state officials, and 
generations of Lumbee descendants have a long maintained that The 
Lumbees are an Indigenous Nation whose Heritage, language and 
Governance merit the same Federal rights and protections as other 
Federally Recognized Tribes.
    I have Lumbee Ancestors Locklear, Cox, Cumbo, Revel to name a few 
Surnames that are kin to the Lumbees and Tuscarora Ancestors. 
Historical kinship of the Lumbee people Systematic Misclassification 
and exclusion from Federal Protection and Recognition. The Lumbee 
Fairness Act is justice for a decades long of inaccessibility to Indian 
health, education and have access to their artifacts. Many 
Misclassified American Indians like myself have inaccessibility to 
Healthcare. We are asking at Urban Indian Heritage Society, that The 
Senate Committee on Indian Affairs and Congress pass this legislation.

        Thank you for your Consideration,
                                           Davita M. Carter
                                 ______
                                 
Greetings to the U.S. Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    My name is Dr. Nolan L. Fontaine. This testimony is in regard to S. 
107--the Lumbee Fairness Act. I am requesting that this be sent to 
Congress for immediate action.
    The Lumbee only continue to flourish and grow in numbers and 
representation across state lines. They have the land and lineage and 
they deserve all the liberties and privileges that other tribes 
receive. In the past, and even currently, the Lumbee experience paper 
genocide and misclassification. This must end full stop.
    Specifically, the Lumbee should be able to partake in Indian Health 
Service, Indian Education and any other federally-protected activities 
whenever and wherever they are in these United States. We applaud 
Senator Tillis for his steadfastness with advancing this bill for 
Lumbees in North Carolina.
    However, we know that as the traditional Cheraw people, they were 
transient. They lived within the enclaves of both North and South 
Carolina. It is imperative, now that the Lumbee inhabit all fifty (50) 
states and DC, as Urban Indians, that they have accessibility to 
aforementioned federal programs with no bureaucratic red-tape to delay 
their progress. This needs to be resolved this 119th Congress.
    Thank you for your attention to this serious matter within Indian 
Country.

        Respectfully Submitted,
                                      Dr. Nolan L. Fontaine
                                 ______
                                 
Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,
    I submit this testimony in strong support of the Lumbee Fairness 
Act and the full federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North 
Carolina. President Donald J. Trump's Executive Order of November 12, 
2020, underscored the importance of advancing recognition for the 
Lumbee people, affirming their enduring historical presence, cultural 
identity, and organized governance. This action reaffirmed what 
scholars, state leaders, and generations of Lumbee descendants have 
consistently upheld--that the Lumbee are a sovereign Indigenous nation 
whose heritage, language, and government warrant the same federal 
acknowledgment, rights, and protections as those afforded to other 
federally recognized tribes.

        Thank you,
                                          Francine Anderson
                                 ______
                                 
            State of North Carolina--Office of the Governor
                                                   October 31, 2025
Hon. John Thune, Majority Leader;
Hon. Charles Schumer, Minority Leader,
U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.

Dear Majority Leader Thune and Minority Leader Schumer:

    I am writing to express my support for full federal recognition of 
the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. Full federal recognition would 
allow members access to the health care, education, housing, child 
care, and disaster relief benefits afforded other tribes. These 
benefits would in turn create economic opportunities for the tribe and 
the surrounding community.
    The history of the Lumbee Tribe in North Carolina long predates the 
history of the State of North Carolina itself. The State of North 
Carolina granted the Lumbee Tribe official recognition in 1885, and the 
tribe began seeking federal recognition shortly thereafter. However, 
the Lumbee Act of 1956 specifically denied the Lumbee the services and 
benefits that every other federally recognized tribe receives, 
hindering the tribe's efforts.
    Some form of legislation to provide federal recognition to the 
Lumbee has passed the House of Representatives nine times since 1974 
but has never succeeded in the Senate, including the most recent 
legislation, which the House passed on September 9, 2025. The history 
of the Lumbee Tribe and of the State of North Carolina are intertwined; 
so, too, are our futures. Therefore, I request that the Senate pass 
legislation to confer the benefits of full federal recognition to the 
Lumbee Tribe.

        Sincerely,
                                  Hon. Josh Stein, Governor
                                 ______
                                 
                  Urban Indian Heritage Society/First Tribe

Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society/First Tribe, I 
respectfully submit this testimony in strong support of the Lumbee 
Fairness Act and the full federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of 
North Carolina.
    President Donald J. Trump's Executive Order reaffirmed the need to 
advance recognition of the Lumbee people as a federally recognized 
tribe, meeting the established Congressional standards and criteria for 
approval.
    As a registered Urban Indian of Mvskoke, Cherokee, and Seminole 
lineage, I and we recognize that the Lumbee have endured centuries of 
historical misclassification and administrative neglect. In my capacity 
as an Elder of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, we have also 
submitted a petition bearing over 10,000 verified signatures, many of 
which are from individuals of Lumbee descent.
    The Lumbee Fairness Act represents a long-overdue step toward 
restoring justice and rightful recognition. We respectfully urge 
Congress to act decisively and grant the Lumbee Nation the federal 
acknowledgment they have long deserved.

        Respectfully submitted,
                                             Ishmael A. Bey
                                 ______
                                 
Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,
    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in strong support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the full 
federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President 
Donald J. Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 2020, affirmed the 
need to advance recognition for the Lumbee people, acknowledging their 
continuous historical presence, cultural identity, and governmental 
organization. This executive action reinforced what scholars, state 
officials, and generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained-
that the Lumbee are an Indigenous nation whose heritage, language, and 
governance merit the same federal rights and protections as other 
recognized tribes.

        Respectfully submitted,
                                Jasmine ``Gator'' Humphries
                                 ______
                                 
                              Urban Indian Heritage Society

Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in strong support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the full 
federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President 
Donald J. Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 2020, affirmed the 
need to advance recognition for the Lumbee people, acknowledging their 
continuous historical presence, cultural identity, and governmental 
organization. This executive action reinforced what scholars, state 
officials, and generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained--
that the Lumbee are an Indigenous nation whose heritage, language, and 
governance merit the same federal rights and protections as other 
recognized tribes.

        Respectfully submitted,
                                              Joshuah Grant
                                 ______
                                 
                              Urban Indian Heritage Society

Dear Members of the Senate Committee of Indian Affairs,

    On the behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the Full Federal 
Recognition of the Lumbee tribe of North Carolina. President Donald J 
Trump signed an executive order on November 12th, 2020 in support of 
the recognition for the Lumbee Indians, acknowledging their continuous 
historical presence, cultural identity, and government organizations. 
This executive action reinforced what scholars,State officials and 
generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained that the Lumbee 
are n Indigenous Nation whose Heritage, language and governance merit 
the same Federal rights and protections as other Federally recognized 
tribes.
    In addition to my testimony a I would like to add that many other 
Indigenous descendants where misclassified just like the Lumbee. My 
Powhatan family was affected by Walter Pleckers 1929 Racial Integrity 
Act which indicated that my family had to become Negro or colored 
instead of Identifying as American Indian. I kindly urge you to allow 
the Lumbees of their much overdue justice they deserve.
    The Lumbee Fairness Act is justice for a decades long 
inaccessability to lto Federal Recognition and Protections. The 
Lumbeees need access to health services, education, and protections as 
a Sovereign Nation. We are asking at Urban Indian Heritage Society, 
that the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs and Congress Pass this 
Legislation. Many misclassified American Indians like myself have 
inaccessability to healthcare. We hope and pray that you consider this, 
and pass this Act.

        Thank you for your consideration,
                                           Kenneth Brown II
                                 ______
                                 
                              Urban Indian Heritage Society

Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in strong support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the full 
federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President 
Donald J. Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 2020, affirmed the 
need to advance recognition for the Lumbee people, acknowledging their 
continuous historical presence, cultural identity, and governmental 
organization. This executive action reinforced what scholars, state 
officials, and generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained-
that the Lumbee are an Indigenous nation whose heritage, language, and 
governance merit the same federal rights and protections as other 
recognized tribes.
    My own Lumbee grandfather, ThomasTaylor, and our Tuscarora-Lumbee 
ancestors, exemplify the deep historical continuity, kinship networks, 
and enduring survival of our people through centuries of systemic 
misclassification and exclusion. The Lumbee Fairness Act represents not 
only justice long delayed but a necessary step toward correcting 
decades of inequity in access to health, education, and sovereignty 
protections. The Urban Indian Heritage Society urges Congress to act 
without delay to pass this legislation, thereby honoring both the 
promise of federal trust responsibility and the self-determination of 
the Lumbee people.

        Respectfully submitted,
              Kyrus ``LeftfootedBlackwolf'' Fuller Williams
                                 ______
                                 
                              Urban Indian Heritage Society

Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in strong support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the full 
federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President 
Donald J. Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 2020, affirmed the 
need to advance recognition for the Lumbee people, acknowledging their 
continuous historical presence, cultural identity, and governmental 
organization. This executive action reinforced what scholars, state 
officials, and generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained-
that the Lumbee are an Indigenous nation whose heritage, language, and 
governance merit the same federal rights and protections as other 
recognized tribes.
    The Lumbee Fairness Act represents not only justice long delayed 
but a necessary step toward correcting decades of inequity in access to 
health, education, and sovereignty protections. The Urban Indian 
Heritage Society urges Congress to act without delay to pass this 
legislation, thereby honoring both the promise of federal trust 
responsibility and the self-determination of the Lumbee people.

        Respectfully submitted,
                                              Lloyd A Carty
                                 ______
                                 
Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    I submit this testimony in strong support of the Lumbee Fairness 
Act and the full federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North 
Carolina. President Donald J. Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 
2020, affirmed the need to advance recognition for the Lumbee people, 
acknowledging their continuous historical presence, cultural identity, 
and governmental organization. This executive action reinforced what 
scholars, state officials, and generations of Lumbee descendants have 
long maintained-that the Lumbee are an Indigenous nation whose 
heritage, language, and governance merit the same federal rights and 
protections as other recognized tribes.
    My own Mattaponi grandmothers, Sarah Veney, and her daughter Rachel 
Veney, sued for their freedom and won. My Veney ancestors exemplify the 
deep historical continuity, kinship networks, and enduring survival of 
our people through centuries of systemic misclassification and 
exclusion. The Lumbee Fairness Act represents not only justice long 
delayed but a necessary step toward correcting decades of inequity in 
access to health, education, and sovereignty protections. I urge 
Congress to act without delay to pass this legislation, thereby 
honoring both the promise of federal trust responsibility and the self-
determination of the Lumbee people.

        Respectfully submitted,
                                            Martia Anderson
                                 ______
                                 
                              Urban Indian Heritage Society
Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the full federal 
recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President Donald 
Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 2020, affirmed the need to 
advance recognition for the Lumbee, acknowledging their continuous 
historical presence, cultural identity, and governmental organization. 
This executive action reinforced what scholars, state officials, and 
generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained- that the Lumbee 
are an Indigenous nation whose heritage, language, and governance merit 
the same federal rights and protections as other recognized tribes.
    The Lumbee Fairness Act represents not only justice long delayed 
but a necessary step toward correcting decades of inequity in access to 
health, education, and sovereignty protections. The Urban Indian 
Heritage Society urges Congress to act without delay to pass this 
legislation, thereby honoring both the promise of federal trust 
responsibility and the self-determination of the Lumbee people.

        Sincerely,
                    Nekeisha ``Indigo Sunflower'' Stanfield
                                 ______
                                 
Dear Honorable Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    My name is Pamela, and I am writing to express my full support for 
the Lumbee Fairness Act and the long-overdue federal recognition of the 
Lumbee people. This issue is deeply personal to my family. My uncle, 
Johnny Chavis, is Lumbee and Catawba Indian, and our bloodline reflects 
generations of Indigenous identity that has survived despite 
misclassification, political neglect, and systemic erasure. I am also a 
granddaughter of Powhatan ancestry, a reminder that our Indigenous 
roots run deep across the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic.
    For more than a century, the Lumbee people have been denied full 
rights, resources, and recognition that other tribes receive as a 
matter of fairness and law. Federal recognition would not only 
strengthen one of the largest American Indian communities in the United 
States but would also correct a longstanding injustice that has harmed 
Lumbee families for decades. My relatives, my ancestors, and countless 
Lumbee descendants deserve the same respect, protections, and 
opportunities afforded to all federally recognized tribes.
    I ask the Committee to support and advance the Lumbee Fairness Act 
without delay. Recognition is not a gift; it is a rightful 
acknowledgment of a people who have always existed, endured, and 
contributed to this nation.
    Thank you for your attention and your continued service.

        Respectfully,
                                                Pamela Hall
                                 ______
                                 
Good Afternoon,

    I'm writing to you today to share my testimony to appeal the Lumbee 
Fairness Act. I am Chief Robert Wayne Brooks, the son of Paul Brooks, 
one of the Original 22 descendants of Tuscarora Indians determined to 
be one-half degree or more blood quantum by the Bureau of Indian 
Affairs in 1936. Under the Reorganization Act from 1934, we are listed 
as the Siouan Indian Community of Lumber River. During this time the 
state of NC voted against the act due to political friction without all 
parties present. In 2006, a petition was filed with the Department of 
Interior for land to be placed in Trust for the Original 22.
    The Siouan Indians of Lumber River were incorporated in September 
2013 and organized with by-laws in place.
    At this time, we ask that you consider the below information prior 
to making a decision on the Lumbee Fairness Act:

   The Lumbees have attempted numerous times to self-identify 
        and claim ties to multiple tribes in the past.

   The Lumbees lack the genelocial ties to indigenous 
        individuals in North Carolina

   The Lumbees are attempting to acquire Tuscarora land that is 
        placed in a Trust back in mid 1930s

    Let me know if you have additional questions.

        Thank you,
                                  Chief Robert Wayne Brooks
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                              Urban Indian Heritage Society

Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in strong support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the full 
federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President 
Donald J. Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 2020, affirmed the 
need to advance recognition for the Lumbee people, acknowledging their 
continuous historical presence, cultural identity, and governmental 
organization. This executive action reinforced what scholars, state 
officials, and generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained--
that the Lumbee are an Indigenous nation whose heritage, language, and 
governance merit the same federal rights and protections as other 
recognized tribes.
    My own Lumbee grandfather, Aaron Locklear, and our Tuscarora-Lumbee 
ancestors, exemplify the deep historical continuity, kinship networks, 
and enduring survival of our people through centuries of systemic 
misclassification and exclusion. The Lumbee Fairness Act represents not 
only justice long delayed but a necessary step toward correcting 
decades of inequity in access to health, education, and sovereignty 
protections. The Urban Indian Heritage Society urges Congress to act 
without delay to pass this legislation, thereby honoring both the 
promise of federal trust responsibility and the self-determination of 
the Lumbee people.

        Respectfully submitted,
                              Tanisha ``Phoenix Moon'' West
                                 ______
                                 
                              Urban Indian Heritage Society

Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in strong support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the full 
federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President 
Donald J. Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 2020, affirmed the 
need to advance recognition for the Lumbee people, acknowledging their 
continuous historical presence, cultural identity, and governmental 
organization. This executive action reinforced what scholars, state 
officials, and generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained--
that the Lumbee are an Indigenous nation whose heritage, language, and 
governance merit the same federal rights and protections as other 
recognized tribes.
    My own Lumbee and our Tuscarora-Lumbee ancestors, the Harper's, 
Spruill's and Browns of Kinston, Snow Hill and little Washington, NC 
exemplify the deep historical continuity, kinship networks, and 
enduring survival of our people through centuries of systemic 
misclassification and exclusion. The Lumbee Fairness Act represents not 
only justice long delayed but a necessary step toward correcting 
decades of inequity in access to health, education, and sovereignty 
protections. The Urban Indian Heritage Society urges Congress to act 
without delay to pass this legislation, thereby honoring both the 
promise of federal trust responsibility and the self-determination of 
the Lumbee people.

        Respectfully submitted,
                              Taryn Venisha Spruiell-Adkins
                                 ______
                                 
                              Urban Indian Heritage Society

Greetings to Chair Murkowski and Vice-Chair Schatz,

    From the traditional Eastern Woodlands, we send ancestral 
greetings. On behalf of the Lumbee Tribe, we are writing this 
communique to express the direct action to move the Lumbee Fairness Act 
to legislation within THIS 119th Congress.
    We are Urban Indian Heritage Society. We are an organization that 
researches and documents the epistemologies of American Indians and 
their lineal descendants.
    We are avid observers of U.S. Senate Committee on Indian Affairs. 
Alas, even after President Trump's Executive Memorandum, the Lumbee 
continue to face disparate treatment and institutional inter-tribal 
retribution rooted in disenfranchisement. We demand that this changes 
immediately and that all benefits & fairness be extended to the Lumbee 
and their families.
    Sen. Cortez-Masto discussed during the hearing two (2) pathways 
forward--the administrative path through the Office of Federal 
Acknowledgment or the legislative path where this committee refers this 
senate bill to Congress. The Lumbee deserve a quick redress of their 
grievances. Let's spare the bureaucratic rigmarole & get this done!
    Be on the right side of history.

        Happy America 250!
                                 ______
                                 
                              Urban Indian Heritage Society

Dear Members of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,

    On behalf of the Urban Indian Heritage Society, I submit this 
testimony in strong support of the Lumbee Fairness Act and the full 
federal recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina. President 
Donald J. Trump's Executive Order on November 12, 2020, affirmed the 
need to advance recognition for the Lumbee people, acknowledging their 
continuous historical presence, cultural identity, and governmental 
organization. This executive action reinforced what scholars, state 
officials, and generations of Lumbee descendants have long maintained--
that the Lumbee are an Indigenous nation whose heritage, language, and 
governance merit the same federal rights and protections as other 
recognized tribes.
    My own cherokee grandfather Sam Hendrix passed down history about 
our ancestors some to have been Lumbee and to always stay connected, 
exemplify the deep historical continuity, kinship networks, and 
enduring survival of our people through centuries of systemic 
misclassification and exclusion. The Lumbee Fairness Act represents not 
only justice long delayed but a necessary step toward correcting 
decades of inequity in access to health, education, and sovereignty 
protections. The Urban Indian Heritage Society urges Congress to act 
without delay to pass this legislation, thereby honoring both the 
promise of federal trust responsibility and the self-determination of 
the Lumbee people.
        Submitted by,
                                           William Anderson
                                 ______
                                 
                                           UTE INDIAN TRIBE
                                                  November 26, 2025
Hon. Lisa Murkowski, Chairwoman,
Senate Committee on Indian Affairs,
Hart Senate Office Building,
Washington, D.C.

          Re: Opposition to S. 107, the Lumbee Fairness Act

Dear Chairwoman Murkowski:

    We are duly elected officials of federally recognized large land-
based treaty tribes of the United States. As such we are independent 
sovereign Nations with inherent sovereign authority: each of which can 
prove a unique government-to-government relationship with the United 
States.
    For decades now this status and this government-to-government 
relationship have been challenged. and we have withstood and defeated 
those challenges at great and often painful cost. We have done so under 
the closest scrutiny as a group of Indians can face in the federal 
courts. from each of the three branches of state government, from the 
various agencies of the United States, and from private entities. Some 
of us have faced challenges to our sovereign status and legal rights. 
from foreign governmental powers. Yet again, we have prevailed because 
we can unquestionably prove who we are, what our legal and factual 
status is, and what our relationship with the United States of America 
is based upon. Even this Committee has faced questions as to why we are 
much more than racial groups of Indians, and why we are entitled to a 
unique status and receive unique preferences under federal law.
    In short, we have all been able to prove, without doubt, that we 
are not only the direct descendants of treaty signers, but we are also 
individual tribal nations whose members have continued to interact both 
socially and politically as citizens of a single independent, sovereign 
tribal nation from treaty times until the present.
    I write to you and your colleagues on the Senate Committee on 
Indian Affairs on behalf of my Tribe to voice my concerns and 
opposition to S. 107, also known as the Lumbee Fairness Act (``Act''). 
Tribal recognition is the inherent right of tribes to self-govern, to 
establish their own laws that govern membership. laws, religion, and 
community. To be a federally recognized tribe inherently includes 
tribal sovereignty and creates a federal trust responsibility, which 
must be guarded at all costs.
    Given the significance of federal recognition, my Tribe must oppose 
the Lumbee Fairness Act. The recognition oflndian tribes, and thus 
tribal sovereignty, is one of the United States' most solemn and 
important obligations. Federal recognition of a tribe establishes a 
special and unique government-to-government relationship between the 
Federal government and an Indian tribe and creates significant legal 
rights, responsibilities, and commitments.
    To begin, the Tribe supports the federal recognition of Indian 
tribes. However, the Tribe does not believe that federal recognition 
should be subject to the legislative process and Congressional 
politics. Partisan politics can prevent a deserving tribe from being 
recognized or it can recognize an undeserving group with no indigenous 
ties as a federally recognized tribe. Congress can create problems when 
it tries to act on federal acknowledgement and tribal membership.
    In one example, in 1954, Congress passed the Ute Partition Act 
(UPA), which authorized 490 Tribal members known as ``mixed-bloods'' to 
vote to terminate their Tribal status and relationship with the federal 
government. In the UPA, Congress took action attempting to determine 
Tribal membership of the ``mixed-bloods,'' and the problems are still 
being dealt with by the Ute Indian Tribe as the unrecognized 
descendants of these members still attempt to interfere with Tribal 
governance. These problems were wholly preventable problems. The Lumbee 
Fairness Act has no standards or minimum requirements for federal 
recognition, and it requires the Secretary of Interior to acquire trust 
lands without any explanation. Congress does not have the staff, 
expertise, resources, or equipment to manage the recognition of Indian 
tribes equitably.
    Congress recognized this problem in 1975 when it created the 
American Indian Policy Review Commission (``Commission'') to bring 
fairness and legitimacy to the federal recognition process. Created 
from the recommendations of the Commission. Congress delegated the 
DOI--Office of Federal Acknowled gement (OFA) the management and 
regulation of federal recognition. OFA uses expert anthropologists, 
genealogists, historians, and attorneys to evaluate whether a 
petitioning group comprises descendants from a historical Indian tribe 
that has maintained existence to earn federal recognition. This 
structured process shields decisions from political influence or undue 
pressure and ensures equity, transparency, and consistency.
    Similar to the UPA experience, the Lumbee Fairness Act attempts to 
circumvent the OFA process and politicize tribal, federal recognition. 
The Act simply amends the Lumbee Act, Pub. L. 84-570, to grant the 
Tribe full Federal recognition without having gone through the 
extensive findings that the OFA process would entail. The Lumbee Act 
relied on ``tribal legend'' and that ``these people'' are ``proud of 
their heritage'' as the basis of its findings to acknowledge the Lumbee 
Tribe. These findings are not up to the same rigor and analysis that 
the OFA process would analyze the Lumbee Tribe under.
    It is our fear that the moment any group of Indians, claiming to be 
a ``Tribe,'' cannot meet these standards under that level of scrutiny, 
every other federally recognized tribe in the United States is 
endangered. For this reason, we are forced to oppose the Congressional 
and/or Executive Order recognition of the group calling itself the 
Lumbee Indian Tribe.
    The processes employed by the Office of Federal Acknowledgement are 
far superior to anything that Congress can offer at this time. The 
assertions made by the group calling itself the Lumbee Indian Tribe 
must be scrutinized by experts and not automatically be taken at face 
value by the Members of this Committee or by the Congress as a whole. 
To do otherwise endangers us and every other federally recognized tribe 
in the United States.

        On Behalf of the Ute Tribal Business Committee:
                Shaun Chapoose, Business Committee Chairman
                                 ______
                                 
    *The following list of resolutions and letters from Federally 
Recognized Tribes and Tribal entities that support Lumbee recognition 
have been retained in the Committee files.*
   Catawba Indian Nation
   Tunica-Biloxi Tribe of Louisiana
   Oneida Nation of Wisconsin
   Pascua Yaqui Tribe
   Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Nation
   Chief Kevin Brown of the Pamunkey Indian Tribe
   Rappahannok Tribe of Virginia
   Chickahominy Indian Tribe of Virginia
   Chippewa Cree Tribe of the Rocky Boy's Reservation
   The Blackfoot Confederacy Chiefs
   Hopi Tribe Chairman: Timothy L. Nuvangyaoma-
   The Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe
   The Wampanoag Tribe of Gay Head Aquinnah
   Chief of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma
   The Narragansett Indian Tribe
   A resolution from the Midwest Alliance of Sovereign Tribes
   The Native American Indian Association of Tennessee
   The Native American House Alliance
   Baltimore American Indian Center
   Prominent NCAA Men's Basketball Head Coaches--Kelvin Sampson 
        and John Calapari

    *The following list of additional resolutions and letters have been 
retained in the Committee files.*

    Kenaitze Indian Tribe--Resolution No. 2025-37--Opposing Federal 
legislation that would circumvent the Department of the Interior's 
Office of Federal Acknowledgement (OFA) process

    2022 Winter Convention--Tulalip, Washington--RESOLUTION #2022 46--
Opposition to Federal or State Recognition of the Groups Claiming to be 
a Tribal Nations that Seek to Circumvent the Department of the 
Interior's Office of Federal Acknowledgment (OFA) Process

    INTER-TRIBAL COUNCIL OF NORTH EASTERN OKLAHOMA#2022-5--Opposition 
to federal or state recognition of the ``Lumbee Tribe,'' ``MOWA Band of 
Choctaw,'' or any other group claiming to be a tribal nation that seeks 
to circumvent of the Department of the Interior's Office of Federal 
Acknowledgment (OFA) process

    Coalition of Large Tribes (COLT)--Resolution No. 08-16-2022 
RESOLUTION #01-2022 Resolution in support of the ``Opposition to 
federal or state recognition of the `Lumbee Tribe,' `MOWA Band of 
Choctaw,' or any other group claiming to be a tribal nation that seeks 
to circumvent of the Department of the Interior's Office of Federal 
Acknowledgment (OFAl process'' and COLT opposition letter to ``Lumbee 
Fairness Act,'' S. 521 and H.R. 1101 (Dec. 14, 2024

    The INTER-TRIBAL COUNCIL of the FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES--A Resolution 
Opposing Federal or State Recognition of Groups that Claim to be Tribal 
Nations by Circumventing the Office of Federal Acknowledgement 
Resolution No. 22-14

    TRI-COUNCIL OF THE UNITED KEETOOWAH BAND OF CHEROKEE INDIANS THE 
EASTERN BAND OF CHEROKEE INDIANS AND CHEROKEE NATION--Resolution # 3-
22--A RESOLUTION OPPOSING FEDERAL OR STATE RECOGNITION OF GROUPS THAT 
CLAIM TO BE TRIBAL NATIONS AND SEEK TO AVOID OR CIRCUMVENT THE 
DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR'S OFFICE OF FEDERAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT PROCESS

    BLACKFEET NATION--Resolution No. 133-2023--Resolution in support of 
the ``Opposition to federal or state recognition of the ``Lumbee 
Tribe,'' ``MOW A Band of Choctaw,'' or any other group claiming to be a 
tribal nation that seeks to circumvent the Department of the Interior's 
Office of Federal Recognition Process.

    GREAT PLAINS TRIBAL CHAIRMAN'S ASSOCIATION March 8, 2022 letter to 
Please Preserve the Integrity of the Federal Acknowledgement Process

    Opposition to the ``Lumbee Recognition Act'' (S. 1364) letter on 
behalf of the United Indian Nations of Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas 
(UINOKT) 12/16/2021

    GREAT PLAINS TRIBAL ASSOCIATION, INC.--letter asking acknowledgment 
as a Tribal Nation to the Lumbees in North Carolina and circumvent the 
Office of Federal Acknowledgment (OFA) administrative process at the 
U.S. Department of the Interior. December 4, 2020

    Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians/Shawnee Tribe letter requesting 
that you defer consideration of groups seeking federal acknowledgment 
to the Department of the Interior's Office of Federal Acknowledgment 
(OFA). March 10, 2022

    FORT SILL--CHIRICAHUA--WARM SPRING--APACHE TRIBE letter Opposing 
the ``Lumbee Recognition Act'' (S. 1364) January 5, 2022

    Fort Belknap Indian Community--letter Opposing the ``Lumbee 
Recognition Act'' (S. 1364) December 16, 2021

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