[Senate Hearing 119-178]
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                                                       S. Hrg. 119-178

                  UNLEASHING INDIAN ENERGY_EXAMINING 
                     FEDERAL PROGRAMS AT THE U.S. 
                          DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY
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                      COMMITTEE ON INDIAN AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                           SEPTEMBER 10, 2025

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                     COMMITTEE ON INDIAN AFFAIRS

                    LISA MURKOWSKI, Alaska, Chairman
                  BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii, Vice Chairman
                  
JOHN HOEVEN, North Dakota            MARIA CANTWELL, Washington
STEVE DAINES, Montana                CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada
MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma           TINA SMITH, Minnesota
MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota            BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico
JERRY MORAN, Kansas

Amber Ebarb, Majority Staff          Jennifer Romero, Minority Staff 
    Director                             Director and Chief Counsel
Lucy Murfitt, Chief Counsel          Darren Modzelewski, Counsel
Samuel Hiratsuka, Professional       Alanna Purdy, Policy Advisor
    Staff                            Christie Kimura, Legislative Aide
Sarah McKinnis, Legislative 
    Assistant
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Hearing held on September 10, 2025...............................     1
Statement of Senator Cortez Masto................................    27
Statement of Senator Daines......................................    26
Statement of Senator Murkowski...................................     1
Statement of Senator Schatz......................................     2
Statement of Senator Smith.......................................    24

                               Witnesses

Conrad, David, Acting Director/Deputy Director, Office of Indian 
  Energy Policy and Programs, U.S. Department of Energy..........     4
    Prepared statement...........................................     5
Fenton, Jocelyn, Director of Programs, Denali Commission.........    14
    Prepared statement...........................................    16
Ortiz, Dr. Anna Maria, Director, Natural Resources and 
  Environment, U.S. Government Accountability Office.............     8
    Prepared statement...........................................     9

                                Appendix

Caldera, Hon. Amber, Chairwoman, Port Gamble S'Klallam Tribe, 
  letter, submitted for the record...............................    47
Mike, Hon. Darrell, Chairman, Twenty-Nine Palms Band of Mission 
  Indians, prepared statement....................................    39
Oceti Sakowin Power Authority (OSPA), position paper.............    40
Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Lisa Murkowski 
  to:............................................................
David Conrad.....................................................    57
Jocelyn Fenton...................................................    48
Dr. Anna Maria Ortiz.............................................    51
Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Brian Schatz to..
David Conrad.....................................................    60
Dr. Anna Maria Ortiz.............................................    52

 
   UNLEASHING INDIAN ENERGY--EXAMINING FEDERAL PROGRAMS AT THE U.S. 
                          DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY

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                     WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2025


                                       U.S. Senate,
                               Committee on Indian Affairs,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:51 p.m. in room 
628, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Lisa Murkowski, 
Chairman of the Committee, presiding.

           OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. LISA MURKOWSKI, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM ALASKA

    The Chairman. Good afternoon, everyone. I will invite the 
witnesses to come forward.
    I now call this oversight hearing to order. At today's 
hearing, we are going to learn more about the Department of 
Energy's tribal energy programs, both its Office of Indian 
Energy and the loan program office's Tribal Energy Financing 
Program, and how these programs are working and what can be 
improved upon to better serve tribes in their efforts to 
unleash their energy resources.
    We will also be able to hear from the Denali Commission 
about its work and partnership with DOE and promoting energy 
infrastructure in rural Alaska Native communities.
    Tribes were historically left out of national 
electrification efforts, and still today face lower rates of 
electricity access and higher energy cost burdens than other 
communities in America. The Office of Indian Energy Policy and 
Programs at the Department of Energy is helping fill these gaps 
by providing technical and financial assistance to tribes 
across the Country.
    In Igiugig, Alaska, for example, the Office of Indian 
Energy helped fund the installation of two hydro-kinetic 
devices on the Kvichak River, and energy storage technology. 
The devices were designed specifically to not disturb the 
sockeye salmon that run in the Kvichak, which Igiugig residents 
rely upon for subsistence.
    The devices augment the community's diesel fuel facility, 
saving the small community nearly $170,000 a year, which is a 
lot of money for a small community.
    And this is not a one-off example. There are tribally-led 
opportunities for development and community sustainability 
across Indian Country and Alaska. While tribal lands only 
account for 2 percent of all lands in the Country, they contain 
an estimated 50 percent of potential uranium reserves, 30 
percent of coal reserves west of the Mississippi, 20 percent of 
known oil and gas reserves, and 6.5 percent of all utility-
scale potential renewable energy resources.
    As more tribes jump into the energy development space and 
look to build resilience in their existing energy systems, 
lower costs, and generate revenue that can then be used to 
boost the tribal economy and social services, they often need 
greater amounts of capital. Unfortunately, we know that 
complexities due to permitting, land jurisdiction and 
ownership, and the unfamiliarity of banking with lending to 
tribes means that tribes are often at a disadvantage when 
developing their own resources and connecting their communities 
to the grid.
    Eight-six percent of tribal lands with energy potential are 
undeveloped and this, I think, is unacceptable.
    Here in Congress we have worked on a bipartisan basis to 
try and provide avenues for tribal capital access. Yet, as the 
GAO has found in their Tribal Energy Finance Report, one of 
those avenues, the Tribal Energy Financing Program at DOE, is 
not working. Meant to enable tribal access to loans and loan 
guarantees, DOE's loan program office has successfully closed 
only one loan guarantee since the solicitation was first issued 
in 2018. You will hear that repeated throughout today's 
oversight.
    Since 2018, only one loan guarantee has been closed; no 
loans.
    We talked about this before in the Committee, and both 
Congress and DOE have taken multiple steps to improve the 
program. But these haven't gone far enough. So I am going to 
look forward to hearing from GAO on their recommendations, 
particularly the potential for a public financing pathway.
    Such a change could improve program implementation by 
allowing DOE to treat tribes as the governments they are, 
rather than as large-scale utilities or private equity groups 
that receive the other kinds of loans from LPO. Maybe then we 
would see the existing $20 billion in loan authority that 
exists utilized to get the projects done.
    The insights and feedback that we garner here today will 
help us as we work together to ensure that tribes are poised to 
take advantage of their resources, build more resilient, cost-
effective energy systems, and benefit from and contribute to 
this administration's focus on unleashing American energy.
    I also want to note that our hearing record is open for two 
weeks, and we will welcome feedback from tribes and Tribal 
Energy Development Organizations on these topics as well.
    So I now turn to the Vice Chair for his opening statement.

                STATEMENT OF HON. BRIAN SCHATZ, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM HAWAII

    Senator Schatz. Thank you, Chair Murkowski.
    Last Congress, we made historic bipartisan investments in 
Indian Country's energy future and its ability to determine 
that future for itself, whether through non-renewable or 
renewable sources. We authorized nearly half a billion dollars 
directly to Native communities for their energy needs, and made 
them eligible for billions more.
    Our goal was to help set up Native communities on a new 
path to energy security regardless of the type of energy. Until 
recently, we saw dividends on those investments. For example, 
the Tribal Energy Loan Guarantee Program issued its first 
successful loan after the IRA increased its loan guarantee 
amount from $2 billion to $20 billion, and authorized $75 
million for tribes to help stand up their energy projects.
    We also acted so that tribes could receive DOE funds to 
address their energy needs in ways that work for them and 
empower their energy sovereignty. Congress listened to Native 
communities and invested in their energy development potential, 
putting them in the driver's seat. We made progress, but now 
there are real efforts to undo that progress.
    The One Big Beautiful Bill Act is a case in point. More 
than 100 tribes wrote about the importance of the Tribal Energy 
Loan Guarantee Program and the IRA's tax credits, urging 
Congress not to reverse course. But over the objection of 
Native communities and their industry partners, the One Big 
Beautiful Bill rescinded millions in funding for the DOE's 
Tribal Energy Loan Guarantee Program and raised energy costs by 
terminating tax credits that could account for up to 70 percent 
of project costs for tribes and their energy partners.
    On top of this, President Trump is directing agencies to 
cancel and delay renewable energy projects only. And his 
proposed cuts to DOE funding and staff will exacerbate the 
brain drain from thousands of employees who have already left 
to thousands more who may be subject to DOE's RIF plan.
    This historic loss of staff and resources creates risks for 
tribes whose energy goals can't be met without Federal dollars, 
and the expertise of agency staff who make tribal energy 
projects a reality.
    Last Congress, we started to move past the status quo. But 
now if feels like we are not even returning to that old mark, 
but going past it. So I want to better understand what is 
happening at DOE, so that we can continue working in a 
bipartisan way to hold the Federal Government accountable to 
Indian Country's energy needs.
    I look forward to the testimony from today's panel, and I 
thank you for coming to testify.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Vice Chair Schatz.
    We will now turn to witnesses. We have today Mr. David 
Conrad. He is the Acting Director and Deputy Director at the 
U.S. Department of Energy Office of Indian Energy Policy and 
Programs. He will be followed by Dr. Anna Maria Ortiz, who is 
the Director at the Government Accountability Office, GAO, in 
the Natural Resources and Environment Division. And we have the 
opportunity today to have back before the Committee Ms. Jocelyn 
Fenton. Jocelyn is the Director of Programs at the Denali 
Commission.
    Thank you for being here, all of you. Jocelyn, thank you 
for making the long trip from Alaska to be here today.
    I want to remind the witnesses that we do have your full 
written testimony. It will be part of the official hearing 
record, so we would ask that you keep your oral comments to no 
more than five minutes, so we have plenty of time for members 
to ask questions.
    Mr. Conrad, if you would please begin with your testimony.

  STATEMENT OF DAVID CONRAD, ACTING DIRECTOR/DEPUTY DIRECTOR, 
              OFFICE OF INDIAN ENERGY POLICY AND 
              PROGRAMS, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY

    Mr. Conrad. Good afternoon, Chair Murkowski and Vice Chair 
Schatz, and members of the Committee. Thank you for the 
invitation to speak about unleashing tribal energy.
    My name is David Conrad, as you mentioned. I am a citizen 
of the Osage Nation. I am proud to serve as the Deputy Director 
and Acting Director of the Department of Energy's Office of 
Indian Energy.
    My career began with the Council of Energy Resource Tibes 
in 1991 and has centered on tribal energy ever since. I have 
worked in intergovernmental relations and energy development, 
both within tribal government and the Federal Government.
    These experiences have given me an understanding of the 
tribal energy sector's complexities and the transformative 
potential for tribal nations.
    Twenty years ago, this Committee championed the Indian 
Tribal Energy Development and Self-Determination Act. It was a 
vital part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, establishing the 
Office of Indian Energy within the Department of Energy. Title 
V of that Act charged our office with lowering energy costs for 
tribes, developing Indian energy, addressing gaps in 
electricity access in Indian Country.
    This law also directed us to carry out our programs in 
accordance with the principles of self-determination. Simply 
put, Congress told us to trust tribes to know what is best for 
their citizens as they pursue energy projects.
    Over the last 20 years, the Office of Indian Energy has 
fulfilled our Congressional mandate. We have supported over 240 
tribal energy projects. We have delivered more affordable and 
reliable energy to over 11,000 homes and buildings across 
Indian Country. And we have fulfilled over 500 requests for 
technical assistance, giving tribes access to expertise at our 
national labs to carry out strategic energy planning, analyze 
the potential of their energy resource and chart a course to 
achieve their energy visions.
    I am privileged to lead the Office of Indian Energy during 
another pivotal moment as we work to unleash tribal energy. 
Under the leadership of President Trump and Secretary Wright, 
our vital work continues with a key addition. We are 
strengthening our commitment to ensure tribes share in the 
prosperity of American energy dominance. Securing access to 
affordable, reliable energy also remains central to our mission 
and Congressional charge.
    Tribes possess extensive energy resources. Our new 
additional focus will help ensure that they are poised to 
capture a greater share of the energy value chain. While 
resource ownership offers its own opportunities, tribes 
increasingly want to develop their own energy resources using 
their own expertise and workforces.
    The Office of Indian Energy is working to support tribes to 
implement their vision. In March, we partnered with the 
Department of Commerce to extend the commercial law development 
program to support tribes in advancing high value energy 
projects, such as data centers, critical minerals development, 
and new generation and transmission infrastructure.
    The program is already serving multiple tribal partners to 
enhance the legal environment for energy sector commerce to 
thrive in their communities. Additionally, in collaboration 
with the Department of Energy's Innovator Fellowship program, 
11 new energy innovator fellows have been placed in tribal host 
institutions this year. This is the largest number of fellows a 
tribe will host of any cohort to date. These fellows work with 
tribes to modernize power systems, enhance energy 
infrastructure, and contribute to a more reliable, affordable 
and resilient U.S. power system.
    Finally, we expanded our Tribal Energy Navigator Service 
with dedicated staff. This service responds to inquiries from 
tribes developing energy projects, and facilitates more 
efficient access to all of DOE's programs, as well as other 
Federal energy programs available to them.
    Building on the foundation laid by this Committee 20 years 
ago, we continue to foster the trust and predictability 
essential for Indian Country to unleash their own energy 
resources. As the tribal energy sector gains momentum, tribes 
are proving that American Indian and Alaska Native livelihoods 
flourish most when tribes direct their own energy development.
    The Office of Indian Energy, in partnership with tribal 
nations and other Federal agencies, remains committed to 
maximizing the impact of Federal investment in this sector. We 
look forward to continuing this essential work with this 
Committee.
    I am happy to answer any questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Conrad follows:]

 Prepared Statement of David Conrad, Acting Director/Deputy Director, 
 Office of Indian Energy Policy and Programs, U.S. Department of Energy
Introduction
    Good afternoon Chair Murkowski, Vice Chair Schatz, and members of 
the Committee. Thank you for the invitation to testify. My name is 
David Conrad. I am a citizen of the Osage Nation, and I am proud to 
serve as Deputy Director and Acting Director of the Office of Indian 
Energy. I believe I am the first Deputy Director to appear before this 
Committee. Since 2011, the leadership positions in the Office, 
including Deputy Director, were term-limited, forcing a reset with each 
new administration. I am excited that in 2023 the position of Deputy 
Director became a permanent excepted service position, strengthening 
the continuity we provide to Indian Country. Achieving this continuity 
has not been easy and is a testament to the sustained commitment and 
vision of Tribal leadership.
    Twenty years ago, this Committee was instrumental in passing the 
Indian Tribal Energy Development and Self-Determination Act, a key 
component of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, establishing the Office of 
Indian Energy Policy and Programs within the Department of Energy 
(DOE).
    As I believe all of you know, that achievement was the culmination 
of decades of work. From the first oil wells drilled on Indian land in 
Oklahoma during the early 1900's to the formation of the Council of 
Energy Resource Tribes in 1976, Tribal leadership has worked with 
government, industry, and others to create the partnerships necessary 
to bring us all here today.
    The vision for our Office was established in law: it charges us to 
promote Tribal energy development, efficiency, and use; reduce and 
stabilize energy costs; enhance and strengthen Tribal energy and 
economic infrastructure; and bring electrical power and service to 
Indian lands and homes (42 U.S.C.  7144e). I am happy to share that 
this vision continues to be carried out under President Trump's and 
Secretary Wright's leadership, with key initiatives to ensure that 
Tribes are poised to unleash their own energy resources, including 
identifying additional DOE resources for our partners in the Arctic 
Energy Office.
    Congress also directed the Office to carry out its work in 
accordance with the long-standing principle of Tribal Self-
Determination, first codified in the Indian Self-Determination and 
Education Assistance Act of 1975, during the Ford Administration. The 
Senate recently celebrated the 50th anniversary of that law. The 
principle, simply put, tells us that Tribes know best how to implement 
the programs and projects intended to benefit their citizens. We hold 
this principle in mind as we support an agenda of energy dominance.
    To pursue Tribal energy priorities, Tribes have used multiple 
pathways to deploy energy solutions. These include creating Tribal 
Utility Authorities; incorporating energy deployment in government 
operations and in housing developments; and incorporating energy 
deployment in their economic enterprises from grocery stores to gaming 
operations. Tribes have also used multiple approaches to securing 
resources for energy projects--including federal and state grants, 
loans, Tribal assets, and commercial finance options. Through the 
Office of Indian Energy's Navigator service, we help Tribes find the 
funding opportunities which best fit their needs.
The Impact of the Office of Indian Energy
    The Department of Energy has been faithfully implementing our 
statute for the last 20 years by supporting Tribes to develop and 
pursue their energy visions. Since 2010, we have supported over 240 
Tribal energy projects, encompassing energy planning and the deployment 
of microgrids, new power generation, and efficiency upgrades to 
buildings to reduce energy costs and improve reliability. For each of 
these 240+ projects, Tribes proposed the technologies they wanted to 
pursue, competed for the award, and contributed cost-share. Tribes 
continue to lead on the implementation, and they continue to maintain 
the projects ensuring they deliver for years to come. To date, the 
energy performance of 11,000 buildings has been improved--and these 
buildings are now lowering energy costs for Tribes every day. Across 
all Indian Energy deployment projects, Tribal governments and citizens 
are projected to save $530 million. These projects have been 
predominantly in rural and remote areas, creating ripple effects which 
often benefit neighboring communities through reduced burden on their 
grids, delivery of essential services during emergencies, and cheaper 
power through energy addition.
    These projects have increased Tribal capacity to operate in the 
energy sector, while injecting much needed innovation into rural and 
remote development and demonstrating the strong capabilities of Tribes 
in the energy sector. I'll briefly touch on three examples: First, the 
Fond du Lac Band of Lake Superior Chippewa just completed a biomass 
heating system to heat their Brookston community center near Cloquet, 
Minnesota by using local wood waste products and leveraging their own 
technical expertise on the unique set of required feeders and boilers. 
The system is projected to save $31,000 per year. Second, Kawerak Inc, 
an intertribal organization, is installing an organic rankine cycle 
turbine, a novel alternative to a steam turbine, to generate firm power 
from their geothermal resources in Pilgrim Hot Springs, Alaska. And 
finally, the Village of Igiugig, Alaska is installing a unique run-of-
river hydropower system which is projected to add 35 kW of power 
generation for 33 homes and buildings. These projects were selected for 
support based on the Tribe's resources, robust analysis, and Tribal 
self-determination. With this support, these small communities are 
charting new paths to ensure that reliable and affordable energy 
reaches every corner of America.
    Additionally, the Office of Indian Energy has fulfilled well over 
500 requests for technical assistance by giving Tribes access to our 
national labs and associated experts, facilitating the advancement of 
energy projects with strategic planning and resource analysis.
Recent Intiatives Under the Trump Administration
    We continue to gain momentum under President Trump's and Secretary 
Wright's leadership. In the past, the Office of Indian Energy has 
focused heavily on community scale energy. This critical work continues 
as we support Tribes in developing any energy source which, through 
robust analysis, is shown to support reliable and affordable power. 
Today, we also look beyond community scale projects to ensure that 
Tribal Nations are poised to share in the prosperity of unleashing 
American energy (E.O. 14154) through their self-determined paths. We 
are doing this by leveraging strategic partnerships:

   In March 2025, the Office of Indian Energy partnered with 
        the U.S. Department of Commerce to extend the Commercial Law 
        Development Program (CLDP) to work with Tribal Nations on 
        energy development. This additional technical assistance 
        supports Tribes in advancing high-value energy projects, such 
        as data centers, critical minerals development, and new 
        generation and transmission infrastructure. The assistance is 
        designed to help Tribes structure energy deals and establish 
        legal frameworks to enhance energy sector commerce. The program 
        is already serving multiple Tribal partners.

   Additionally, in collaboration with DOE offices, eleven new 
        Energy Innovator Fellows have been placed in Tribal host 
        institutions this year. This is the largest number of fellows 
        at Tribal hosts of any cohort to date. These fellows will 
        collaborate with Tribes to modernize power systems, enhance 
        energy infrastructure for industry, and contribute to a more 
        reliable, affordable, and resilient U.S. power system. These 
        fellows are expanding the capacity of the Tribal energy 
        ecosystem.

   Finally, the Office of Indian Energy has expanded our Tribal 
        Energy Navigator Service. This service responds to inquiries 
        from Tribes developing energy projects and facilitates more 
        efficient access to DOE and the other federal energy programs 
        available to them.

    These recent initiatives elevate existing federal resources, while 
collectively building a foundation of trust and predictability for 
Indian Country to unleash their own vast energy resources to 
participate in the broader regional and national energy economy.
    Achieving affordable, reliable, and secure energy is not without 
its challenges. Energy development can be demanding, especially for 
many Tribes with small staff, where each employee wears multiple hats. 
Tribes must create new regulations, run request for proposals, and 
negotiate interconnections, off-take agreements, and rights-of-way, all 
while constantly educating others about their sovereignty and history. 
It takes time to get projects right. But Tribes are up for this 
challenge, and the momentum for energy security has only continued to 
grow.
The Unique Circumstances of Alaska
    I want to focus on Alaska for a moment as Alaska presents its own 
unique opportunities and challenges. Due to its harsh climate, 
remoteness, and historic laws like the Alaska Native Claims Settlement 
Act (ANCSA), Alaska stands distinct from the reservation system in the 
lower forty-eight. Secretary Wright acknowledged the long running 
history and sovereignty of Alaska Natives, and the rights of Native 
Alaskans to develop their own energy resources, when he visited the 
Village of Utqiagvik this past June. To account for the unique 
circumstances of Alaska, the Office of Indian Energy works closely with 
key partners in Alaska to ensure remote communities have fair access to 
the full suite of Tribal and programmatic resources of DOE. The Offices 
of Indian Energy and Arctic Energy have co-located their workspaces in 
Anchorage to facilitate interoffice cooperation and collaborative 
community engagement. The Arctic Energy Office continues to focus on 
engagement with Alaska Native regional and village corporations across 
the entire state, and these ANCSA corporations remain eligible for 
Office of Indian Energy assistance.
    Evidence shows these efforts have been effective. Since 2010, 
approximately 28 percent of deployment funding and approximately 42 
percent of all technical assistance from the Office of Indian Energy 
has gone to Alaska, where 40 percent of all Federally recognized Tribes 
in the United States reside. This technical assistance is delivered in 
collaboration with the Denali Commission and the Alaska Native Tribal 
Health Consortium to ensure the unique circumstances of Alaska are 
being considered.
The Work Ahead
    For a generation, Congress has allowed the Office of Indian Energy 
to support Tribal Nations in a sustained effort to address high energy 
costs and bolster critical energy infrastructure in their communities. 
The achievements that Tribes have made along the way underscore this 
committee's foresight and the power of Tribal self-determination.
    That said, we recognize there is still work to be done. Our work in 
support of 240 Tribal energy projects is modest in comparison to 574 
federally recognized Tribes, many of which govern over multiple 
communities, and the issues of reliability and affordability that 
plague the Nation's grid are acutely felt in Indian Country. Tribal 
communities face electricity outages approximately six and a half times 
more frequently than the U.S. average. \1\ It is well known that many 
Tribes are at the end of the distribution lines, on poor performing 
circuits, or lack grid access altogether. Compounding this challenge, 
Tribal households allocate a disproportionately high portion of their 
income to energy costs, an amount that is four times greater than the 
national average. \2\ These critical findings were detailed in a 2023 
Report on Tribal Energy Access and Reliability, submitted to Congress 
by the Office of Indian Energy, and these remain persistent challenges 
today.
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    \1\ NREL LEAD Tool; Tribal Energy Access and Reliability Report to 
Congress--2023
    \2\ Tribal Energy Access and Reliability Report to Congress--2023; 
Self-reported Indian Energy grant applicant data; Indian Country Energy 
and Infrastructure Working Group. (2020, August 7). Tribal Energy 
COVID-19 Survey.
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    The Office of Indian Energy, in partnership with Tribal Nations and 
other federal agencies, is committed to maximizing the impact of 
federal investments to address these challenges, and we look forward to 
continuing this essential work in collaboration with this committee.

    The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Conrad.
    Next, we turn to Dr. Ortiz. Welcome.

STATEMENT OF DR. ANNA MARIA ORTIZ, DIRECTOR, NATURAL RESOURCES 
               AND ENVIRONMENT, U.S. GOVERNMENT 
                     ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE

    Dr. Ortiz. Thank you.
    Chair Murkowski, Vice Chair Schatz, members of the 
Committee, thank you for having me today. My name is Anna Maria 
Ortiz, and I have the honor of overseeing GAO's portfolio on 
tribal and Native American issues. I am happy to discuss our 
recent report on the Tribal and Energy Finance program.
    Unleashing potential energy resources throughout Indian 
Country could greatly increase access to reliable and 
affordable electricity, contribute to tribal economic 
development and help address the Nation's energy production 
needs. The Department of Energy's Tribal Energy Financing 
program, run by its loan programs office, or LPO, exists to 
help tribes and tribal applicants with limited access to 
private capital to invest in their own lands and resources.
    The program is technology neutral and has the authority to 
offer up to $20 billion in direct loans and loan guarantees. 
Additionally, the program focuses on tribal ownership of 
projects, allowing even small tribes a chance to participate.
    These features offer tribes with different lands and 
resources the flexibility to determine their own approaches to 
effective energy development, consistent with the principle of 
tribal sovereignty.
    Despite these benefits, GAO founded that LPO administered 
the Tribal Energy Financing program in ways that make it nearly 
impossible for applicants to successfully navigate the loan 
process. Program design features have deterred many potential 
applicants and have delayed and lengthened the process for 
others.
    For example, LPO places the burden of due diligence, the 
underwriting process for the loan or the loan guarantee, on the 
backs of tribal applicants, obligating them to commit unknown 
amounts of money to pay for contracted legal and technical 
experts, some of whom lack sufficient expertise in tribal 
energy development. This puts the tribe on the hook for these 
consultants' learning curves and potentially millions of 
dollars overall.
    If applicants are not deterred by the program's design 
features, they confront lengthy application review processes, 
inconsistent and conflicting program guidance, and limited and 
changing LPO staff, many of whom lack appropriate training and 
experience. For example, one applicant spent nearly two years 
in the review process responding to varied and redundant 
requests for information from different LPO staff before a key 
development partner pulled out, effectively jettisoning the 
project.
    Since the Tribal Energy Financing Program first solicited 
applications in 2018, LPO has only completed one partial loan 
guarantee. As of July 2025, 12 other applications have been 
rejected, withdrawn or paused. Of the seven remaining active 
applications, four have been under review for more than two 
years.
    The Tribal Energy Financing Program is a poignant example 
of what happens when tribal programs are designed and 
administered without regard to tribal needs. By modeling its 
application review process on a different program designed 
primarily for large projects and untested technologies, the 
Department of Energy inadvertently curtailed its ability to 
effectively serve tribal applicants.
    GAO recommended, and the Department of Energy agreed, that 
LPO review and revise program elements, develop and document 
consistent and coherent guidance for staff and applicants, and 
designate dedicated staff with tribal expertise to support the 
program. GAO's recommendations aim to remove unnecessarily 
complex and lengthy processes imposed by LPO to unleash the 
program to its full potential.
    Thank you. This concludes my oral statement. I welcome any 
questions.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Ortiz follows:]

Prepared Statement of Dr. Anna Maria Ortiz, Director, Natural Resources 
         and Environment, U.S. Government Accountability Office
    Chairman Murkowski, Vice Chairman Schatz, and Members of the 
Committee:
    Thank you for the opportunity to discuss our recent work on the 
Department of Energy's (DOE) tribal energy programs. My testimony 
summarizes our August 2025 report, Tribal Energy Finance: Changes to 
DOE Loan Program Would Reduce Barriers for Tribes. \1\ This statement 
discusses (1) the status of applications to DOE's Tribal Energy 
Financing Program (TEFP), (2) strengths and limitations of the program, 
and (3) ways to improve its design and implementation.
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    \1\ GAO, Tribal Energy Finance: Changes to DOE Loan Program Would 
Reduce Barriers for Tribes, GAO-25-107441 (Washington, D.C.: Aug. 11, 
2025).
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    While considerable conventional and renewable energy resources 
exist throughout Indian country, tribal communities often face 
challenges to developing these resources. \2\ These include a lack of 
access to capital and systemic barriers to accessing federal programs. 
\3\ According to DOE, 86 percent of tribal lands with energy potential 
are undeveloped. Developing these resources through tribal energy 
projects could help address the nation's energy needs and create 
economic development opportunities for some Tribes and their members. 
\4\ For example, such projects can help Tribes lower their energy costs 
and create access to reliable energy, improve living conditions, fund 
government programs and services, increase employment, and reduce 
poverty within the Tribe and surrounding areas.
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    \2\ As of August 2025, there were 574 federally recognized Tribes 
in the contiguous United States and Alaska. Federally recognized Tribes 
have a government-to-government relationship with the United States and 
are eligible to receive certain protections, services, and benefits by 
virtue of their status as Indian Tribes. For the purposes of this 
statement, we use the term ``Tribes'' to refer to any Indian tribe, 
band, nation, or other organized group or community, including any 
Alaska Native village or regional or village corporation as defined in 
or established pursuant to the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act, 
which is recognized as eligible for the special programs and services 
provided by the United States to Indians because of their status as 
Indians.
    \3\ See GAO, Tribal Energy: Federal Assistance to Support Microgrid 
Development, GAO-24-106278 (Washington, D.C.: July 22, 2024); and 
Tribal Issues: Barriers to Access to Federal Assistance, GAO-25-107674 
(Washington, D.C.: Dec. 3, 2024).
    \4\ U.S. Department of Energy, National Renewable Energy Lab, 
Techno-Economic Renewable Energy Potential on Tribal Lands, NREL/TP-
6A20-70807 (Golden, Colo.: 2018); ``Department of Energy Makes Up to 
$11.5 Million Available for Energy Infrastructure Deployment on Tribal 
Lands,'' news release, February 16, 2018, https://www.energy.gov/
articles/department-energy-makes-115-million-available-energy-
infrastructure-deployment-tribal-lands; and National Renewable Energy 
Laboratory, ``NREL Supports Native American Tribes in Clean Energy 
Transformational Leadership,'' news release, March 30, 2016, https://
www.nrel.gov/news/features/2016/24665.html.
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    TEFP, administered by DOE's Loan Programs Office (LPO), provides 
loans and loan guarantees for tribal energy development. \5\ The 
program supports federally recognized Indian Tribes or tribal energy 
development organizations that develop energy resources, products, or 
services using commercial technology. TEFP is intended to support a 
broad range of energy development projects and activities. It is 
technology neutral, which means it offers financing for projects that 
use various types of energy technology such as electricity generation, 
transmission, or distribution facilities that use conventional or 
renewable energy sources; energy resource extraction, refining, or 
processing facilities; or energy storage facilities. These projects can 
be on or off tribal land, and applicants can include Tribes, tribal 
energy development organizations, and lenders that apply on behalf of 
Tribes.
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    \5\ The Energy Policy Act of 2005 created the Tribal Energy Loan 
Guarantee Program, which initially only provided loan guarantees. Pub. 
L. No. 109-58, tit. V,  503(a), 119 Stat. 594, 764-78 (codified in 
relevant part as amended at 25 U.S.C.   3501, 3502(c)). The program 
was first funded in 2017; see Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2017, 
Pub. L. No. 115-31, 131 Stat. 135, 313 (2017). In 2022, it was expanded 
to allow direct loans. DOE refers to the expanded program as the Tribal 
Energy Financing Program.
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    To conduct this work, we reviewed relevant laws, regulations, 
agency policies, and guidance documents related to program 
applications, design, and implementation. We analyzed TEFP application 
documents and LPO data as of February 2025 to describe the status of 
applications since 2018. \6\ We interviewed DOE officials, 12 potential 
participants (e.g., Tribes and lenders) that applied or considered 
applying to the program, and five tribal energy stakeholders (e.g., 
lenders, consultants, and nongovernment organizations). Our work was 
performed in accordance with generally accepted government auditing 
standards. More detailed information on the scope and methodology of 
our work is provided in our August 2025 report.
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    \6\ In July 2025, DOE officials provided an update on the status of 
new applications to the program. We incorporated this information into 
the report where appropriate.
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DOE Has Closed One Loan Guarantee, and More than Half of Applications 
        are Inactive
    From its first program solicitation in 2018 through July 2025, DOE 
received 20 TEFP applications for approximately $15 billion in loans 
and loan guarantees for various project types and amounts. \7\ Loan and 
loan guarantee requests ranged from $23.7 million for a solar project 
to $8.7 billion for an ammonia production facility for low-carbon fuel. 
Proposed projects were located throughout the contiguous United States 
and Alaska. \8\
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    \7\ In 2022, the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) increased TEFP's 
loan authority from $2 billion to $20 billion. An Act to provide for 
reconciliation pursuant to Title II of S. Con. Res. 14, Pub. L. No. 
117-169,  50145(b)(2), 136 Stat. 1818, 2046 (2022) (amending 25 U.S.C. 
 3502(c)(4)).
    \8\ Our report provides additional information on energy technology 
type, requested loan amount, application status, and time spent in each 
phase of the application process for each TEFP application LPO has 
received since 2018.
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    Of these 20 applications, DOE closed a $100 million loan guarantee 
in August 2024 for a solar and long-duration storage microgrid project 
on tribal lands of the Viejas Band of Kumeyaay Indians in California. 
\9\ As of February 2025, 12 applications were inactive (i.e., put on 
hold, withdrawn, or abandoned). Progress on the remaining seven active 
applications was limited by a pause that began in January 2025 as the 
current administration reviewed the program. \10\ In July 2025, 
Congress rescinded all unobligated program appropriations provided by 
the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), reducing available funding. \11\
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    \9\ A loan or guarantee is closed when LPO and the applicant sign 
an agreement that finalizes it, and LPO begins to disburse funds to the 
applicant for the project. LPO considers closed loans active because 
LPO plans to monitor the loan or loan guarantee over its lifetime. The 
loan guarantee amount for the Viejas project was the actual obligated 
amount, based on data we received from LPO as of February 2025.
    \10\ E.O. 14154 of January 20, 2025, Unleashing American Energy, 
directed agencies to immediately pause disbursement of funds 
appropriated under the IRA or the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs 
Act, pending a review of such disbursements. 90 Fed. Reg. 8353, 8357 
(Jan. 29, 2025).
    \11\ Congress in the IRA appropriated $75 million for credit 
subsidy and to administer the program. Pub. L. No. 117-169,  50145(a), 
136 Stat.at 2045-46. In July 2025, Congress rescinded the unobligated 
balance of TEFP's IRA appropriations in Public Law 119-21-commonly 
known as the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. An Act To provide for 
reconciliation pursuant to title II of H. Con. Res. 14, Pub. L. No. 
119-21, tit. V, subtit. D,  50402(b), 139 Stat. 72, 152. As a result, 
the program has only pre-IRA appropriations, if any remain unobligated, 
of $8.5 million. Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2017, Pub. L. No. 
115-31, 131 Stat. 135, 313 (2017).
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    Many applications spent considerable time in the intake phases of 
the application process, and most active and inactive applications (16 
of 20) remained in these phases as of February 2025 (see fig. 1). Time 
spent in intake ranged from 41 days to 821 days, as of February 2025. 
LPO officials told us that various factors, such as project readiness 
and the applicant's familiarity with the application process, can 
influence how quickly an application progresses.

    Figure 1: Status of Applications to the Department of Energy's 
(DOE) Tribal Energy Financing Program, as of February 2025


         Note: Active applications are project applications undergoing 
        review by DOE and include closed loans that DOE continues to 
        monitor through the end of the loan term. Inactive applications 
        are those that were withdrawn, abandoned, or otherwise put on 
        hold. According to DOE officials, as of July 18, 2025, DOE had 
        not received any new applications for the program.

TEFP Has Restrictions That Can Discourage Tribal Participation
    Several aspects of the program's design create significant 
financial barriers for Tribes that can discourage them from 
participating in the program, including the following:

   Limited project development assistance. LPO expects 
        applicants to its programs to have projects that are well 
        defined and significantly beyond the concept stage, according 
        to LPO documents and officials. However, many Tribes do not 
        have the upfront cash resources for early project development 
        activities, which can be expensive, especially for larger-scale 
        projects. One applicant told us a Tribe could spend a total of 
        $10 million to $30 million to make a project ``shovel ready.''

   Potentially high and unpredictable due diligence fees. DOE 
        requires tribal applicants to pay fees and expenses for 
        external legal and expert services (e.g., technical, financial, 
        and environmental), as needed, that help DOE evaluate projects 
        and requested financing. However, the level and 
        unpredictability of these due diligence costs discourages 
        Tribes from applying to

    TEFP, according to potential participants and stakeholders. For 
example, one Tribe that decided not to apply to the program said these 
costs could translate into millions of dollars. Another tribal 
applicant said the contractors DOE uses for TEFP legal work did not 
know enough about tribal law and energy projects, resulting in more 
hours billed to the Tribe.
    Our report provides more detail about these and other challenges.
    While LPO has taken some steps to help Tribes with these costs, we 
recommended doing more to further reduce the challenges Tribes still 
face. Actions LPO has taken include, for example, increased outreach, 
allowing project development costs to be included in TEFP loans on a 
project-by-project basis, and plans to develop a public finance 
``application pathway'' that could reduce due diligence for lower-risk 
projects and shorten application timeframes. However, Tribes often need 
immediate assistance and funding for project development activities and 
help identifying and accessing them. LPO offers this help on a case-by-
case basis and has compiled an internal list of development grants used 
to support larger-scale energy projects. But it is unclear how 
comprehensively these options will address Tribes' needs. DOE also has 
not finalized steps it is taking to reduce due diligence costs, such as 
details and guidance for the application pathway.
    We recommended that DOE (1) identify and disseminate information on 
federal funding that could help Tribes develop large-scale energy 
projects ready for application and provide Congress information on 
gaps, and (2) further develop and implement options to revise the due 
diligence process to further reduce or eliminate fees on a project-by-
project basis. In its comments on our report, DOE concurred with these 
two recommendations and described steps it plans to take to implement 
them.
Complex and Unclear Agency Processes Create Barriers That Can Derail 
        Tribes' Applications
    DOE has taken steps to improve its outreach to Tribes about TEFP, 
but we identified barriers that can hinder Tribes' ability to complete 
the application process and close on loan guarantees or direct loans. 
These barriers have created uncertainties for potential participants, 
lengthened application timeframes, and may have reduced interest in the 
program.

   Long application timeframes. Lengthy application timeframes 
        have resulted in delayed project timelines, higher project 
        costs, and loss of project partners, according to potential 
        participants. For example, one tribal applicant said it lost 
        its power purchaser and access to a multimillion-dollar bridge 
        loan, making its project unviable. Our analysis of application 
        data found that the median time in intake was 334 days (see 
        fig. 2). The Viejas project, the only application to complete 
        the full process, spent almost 2 years (645 days) from entering 
        intake to closing. LPO officials noted that these timelines may 
        include extended periods of guidance and preparation to assist 
        applicants with their applications, as well as the applicant's 
        turnaround time to submit additional application support 
        documents.

    Figure 2: Loan Request Amount, Status, and Time Spent in the 
Application Process for Each Application to Department of Energy's 
(DOE) Tribal Energy Financing Program, as of February 2025


         Note: The Tribal Energy Financing Program had received 20 
        applications as of February 2025 and did not receive any new 
        applications between then and July 18, 2025, according to DOE 
        officials.

   Complex application process. The TEFP application process 
        involves multiple stages of review and feedback, according to 
        our review of program documents. LPO officials said they 
        understood that tribal applicants might see the program as 
        complex, but that to be successful, applicants must complete 
        significant work upfront with the aid of legal counsel, 
        engineering firms, and consultants. However, one potential 
        participant said that because of this complexity, many Tribes 
        cannot move through the application process without costly 
        third-party assistance.

   Unclear program guidance. Tribal applicants we interviewed 
        said they received different information from different LPO 
        officials about certain program rules, such as equity 
        requirements or whether TEFP could cover development costs. For 
        example, one tribal applicant said they were told the loan 
        could be used for development costs, such as environmental 
        reviews, site control leases, and legal costs. However, LPO 
        later told the applicant that such costs were not covered. When 
        the applicant said it could no longer move forward with the 
        loan without help with development costs, LPO agreed to include 
        the costs. We reviewed LPO's program documents and found that 
        its guidance was not clear on some TEFP requirements. For 
        example, requirements varied for loan sizes, equity, technology 
        types, and outreach and intake.

   Limited tribal experience at DOE. Most LPO staff reviewing 
        TEFP applications have limited experience in tribal energy 
        finance, according to our analysis of LPO staffing practices. 
        While LPO designated 12 of its 274 federal staff to focus 
        primarily on TEFP or to work for the program on a recurring 
        basis as of May 2025, most of these positions have not been 
        filled consistently. Significant changes to LPO's overall 
        staffing levels and an ongoing government-wide hiring freeze 
        are also likely to affect the availability of dedicated staff 
        with expertise to work on tribal applications. \12\ As of July 
        18, 2025, 43 of LPO's 271 authorized positions were vacant, and 
        110 employees who had elected to resign on a deferred basis 
        were on administrative leave until their resignation or 
        retirement date, according to DOE officials. LPO officials and 
        staff told us that without adequate experienced staff, LPO 
        could continue to face challenges effectively processing 
        Tribes' applications--increasing application review times and 
        requiring greater use of outside consultants to fill knowledge 
        gaps. One tribal applicant also told us LPO staff resources 
        were taken away from its application because LPO said it had 
        inadequate staff for tribal projects.
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    \12\ For example, a February 2025 executive order directed agency 
heads to promptly undertake preparations to initiate large-scale 
reductions in force, among other steps. E.O. 14210 of February 11, 
2025, Implementing the President's ``Department of Government 
Efficiency'' Workforce Optimization Initiative, 90 Fed. Reg. 9669 (Feb. 
14, 2025). In addition, a presidential memorandum extended a previously 
issued hiring freeze for executive branch agencies through October 15, 
2025. Presidential Memorandum, Ensuring Accountability and Prioritizing 
Public Safety in Federal Hiring (July 7, 2025).

    LPO has taken some actions to address these barriers, according to 
LPO officials, but Tribes continue to face challenges. For example, LPO 
is revising its application processes, such as adjusting the rigor of 
its review and testing a new public finance application pathway; has 
identified timeliness goals; is verbally clarifying misconceptions; and 
began providing some staff with specific training on working with 
Tribes that addresses topics such as awareness of tribal law and 
government procedures. However, LPO officials said they were not yet 
certain whether their effort to revise the application process would be 
effective, had not developed the necessary documents to guide the 
effort, and did not have the staff with the needed expertise in public 
finance. LPO also had not documented information to correct 
misconceptions or updated internal and external guidance on the 
application process.
    The barriers that still exist have created uncertainties for 
potential participants and lengthened application timeframes, which may 
make it challenging for DOE to meet its timeliness goals and limit 
Tribes' ability use TEFP to develop their own energy resources. Given 
ongoing changes to the program, including the loss of staff and 
rescission of funding, streamlining program processes and ensuring 
there are designated program staff with appropriate knowledge of tribal 
energy finance to review applications is particularly important. We 
recommended that DOE take steps to (1) reduce the length and complexity 
of the application process, (2) clarify program guidance, and (3) 
maintain designated staff.
    In its comments on our report, DOE also concurred with these three 
recommendations and described steps it plans to take to implement them.
    In conclusion, fully implementing all of our recommendations would 
help DOE address the barriers we identified and ensure more Tribes can 
access and leverage TEFP to generate important economic and energy 
development opportunities for their communities, as well as nationwide 
energy benefits.
    Chairman Murkowski, Vice Chairman Schatz, and Members of the 
Committee, this concludes my prepared statement. I would be pleased to 
answer any questions you have at this point.

    The Chairman. Thank you, Dr. Ortiz.
    Ms. Fenton, welcome back to the Committee.

   STATEMENT OF JOCELYN FENTON, DIRECTOR OF PROGRAMS, DENALI 
                           COMMISSION

    Ms. Fenton. Hello, Madam Chair, Vice Chairman Schatz, and 
members of the Committee. Thank you for your leadership and 
dedication to advancing energy security for rural and tribal 
communities in Alaska and throughout Indian Country.
    My name is Jocelyn Fenton, Director of Programs at the 
Denali Commission. I am privileged to present the insights and 
experiences of our agency, our partners, and the Alaskans we 
serve.
    The Denali Commission was created by Congress in 1998 to 
address critical infrastructure and economic development needs 
in rural Alaska. For more than 25 years, the commission has 
served as a Federal partner for more than 200 isolated 
villages, each home to a federally recognized tribe. These 
villages average fewer than 500 residents, are accessible only 
by plane or boat and face some of the most extreme 
environmental conditions in the United States.
    Life in these villages depends on a fragile but vital 
infrastructure system: small diesel powerhouses, bulk fuel tank 
farms and water treatment systems. These tank farms store the 
diesel and gasoline required not only for electric generation 
but also for heating homes, fueling boats and snow machines, 
and running schools, clinics and water plants. Without safe, 
reliable fuel storage, the entire community is at risk.
    Unfortunately, most of this infrastructure is aging and 
deteriorating. The Alaska Energy Authority, the State's energy 
arm, estimates over a billion dollars is needed just to bring 
rural tank farms into safe, code compliant condition with 
another $400 million needed for upgrading powerhouses.
    Less than half have been upgraded, and even those are now 
aging out of their service life. Some communities still use 
tanks that are older than 70 years. The consequences of failure 
are severe. In rural Alaska, when the power goes out, it is not 
just the lights. Freezers holding food collected over the 
summer and fall thaw, water systems freeze and burst, and 
health emergencies follow. Energy security is community 
survival.
    The costs are staggering, as well. Rural households spend 
about 27 percent of their income on energy, nearly four times 
what urban households spend. Electricity in some villages costs 
more than a dollar per kilowatt hour, compared to the national 
average of about 16 cents. Every other part of life, like 
groceries, transportation, housing, is more expensive as a 
result.
    Investments in bulk fuel storage are among some of the most 
effective strategies to reduce these costs. A 2017 study found 
that upgrading tank farms saved communities more than $2 per 
gallon in fuel costs. Yet despite these proven benefits, 
appropriations have not kept pace with the growing backlog of 
needs.
    This is where partnerships, especially with the Department 
of Energy, make a real difference. DOE programs can provide 
both technical expertise and financial assistance to help 
tribes design and implement solutions suited for their 
communities.
    The DOE Office of Indian Energy plays a vital role in 
Alaska. Through technical assistance, financial planning and 
competitive grants, the office has supported dozens of Alaska 
tribes in developing diesel hybrid systems with the integration 
and investigation of additional resources, such as hydropower 
and geothermal. These projects are often small in scale, but 
for communities of a few hundred residents, they mean the 
difference between barely keeping the lights on and moving 
toward resilience.
    The Arctic Energy Office provides another layer of support 
through the Arctic Energy Ambassadors program. These 
ambassadors are local practitioners who bring technical 
knowledge directly into villages and from villages, sharing 
lessons learned and best practices, while helping residents 
plan and implement energy projects. This model builds capacity 
on the ground and ensures projects are regionally appropriate, 
climate tested and durable for existing conditions.
    The Denali Commission complements these DOE efforts by 
serving as the local convenor, by braiding funding streams. For 
example, we paired EPA resources and commission funds to 
deliver complete bulk fuel upgrades in high need villages. 
Recent interagency coordination enabled more than $100 million 
in these resources to flow directly to at-risk tank farms, 
while DOE-supported planning ensured those projects were ready 
to move.
    Importantly, Alaska's partnerships look beyond our borders. 
National and regional collaboration connects Alaska's tribes 
with tribal communities in Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana, 
Washington, continuing to provide opportunities for knowledge 
sharing on microgrids, distributed generation and cold climate 
technologies.
    The challenges of small, isolated communities are not 
unique to Alaska. And any solution developed in our villages 
should be replicated across Indian Country.
    Even with these strong partnerships, unmet needs are 
growing. Federal appropriations alone are not enough. 
Communities need financing tools that are designed for their 
scale and circumstances.
    Most rural utilities and tribes in Alaska operate on razor-
thin margins. They cannot meet credit or scale requirements of 
existing Federal loan programs, and as a result, many Federal 
financing tools remain out of reach. Without flexible, 
accessible loan options, communities are unable to leverage 
grants and pursue larger projects.
    This is an area where Congress could make a tremendous 
impact, expanding and simplifying financing mechanisms, whether 
through revolving loan funds, loan guarantees or intermediators 
with local expertise could unlock projects across rural Alaska 
and throughout Indian Country.
    Technical assistance is equally important. Planning, 
engineering, financial structuring can be as difficult as 
construction itself. DOE's Office of Indian Energy has proven 
how effective technical support can be in moving projects 
forward. But resources are limited. Expanding funding for 
circuit rider programs and regional energy planners would 
provide consistent, trusted assistance to more communities.
    I also want to emphasize that this is not just an Alaskan 
issue. Energy security in Alaska's villages has direct 
implications for U.S. national security. The Arctic is a region 
of growing geopolitical importance, and resilient energy 
systems in Alaska support both civilian communities and 
national defense operations.
    Alaska can also serve as a proving ground for advanced 
technologies. If hybrid microgrids, renewable integration, or 
small modular reactors can work in Alaska's extreme conditions, 
they can work anywhere. These innovations, supported by DOE 
partnerships, have the potential to benefit tribal and rural 
communities across the Country.
    In closing, I would underscore these points. Bulk fuel tank 
farms and microgrids are lifeline infrastructure in rural 
Alaska. Their condition directly determines whether communities 
can thrive, not just survive. Partnerships with DOE through the 
Office of Indian Energy, Arctic Energy Office and other DOE 
groups with regional collaboration are critical for moving 
projects forward from concept to completion, and building 
tribal capacity.
    And to meet the scale of need, we must expand beyond 
grants. Flexible financing and sustained technical assistance 
tailored to small tribal utilities are essential for long-term 
resilience.
    Energy is the foundation for survival, but it is also the 
foundation for prosperity. For Alaska's villages and for the 
Nation, investing in these systems strengthens our communities, 
our economy and our presence in the Arctic.
    Thank you for your leadership, and I look forward to your 
questions.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Fenton follows:]

  Prepared Statement of Jocelyn Fenton, Director of Programs, Denali 
                               Commission
    Thank you for your leadership and dedication to advancing energy 
security for rural and Tribal communities in Alaska and throughout 
Indian Country. My name is Jocelyn Fenton, and as Director of Programs 
at the Denali Commission, I am privileged to present the insights and 
experiences of our agency, our partners, and the Alaskans we serve.
    The Denali Commission was established by Congress in 1998 to 
address the infrastructure, energy, and economic development needs of 
rural Alaska--one of the most remote and logistically complex regions 
in the United States. With over 200 isolated communities not connected 
to a road system--many dependent on diesel microgrids and lacking 
access to basic water, sewer, or port infrastructure--the Commission 
has served as a federal partner for over 25 years.
    Through flexible authorities, a collaborative governance structure 
co-chaired by the Governor of Alaska, partnerships with Alaska Native 
communities, local and municipal governments, tribal consortiums, and 
place-based approach, the Denali Commission has supported federal 
investments that impact rural American communities otherwise out of 
reach. Over the years, the Commission has provided more than $2 billion 
to support core infrastructure such as clinics, energy systems, and 
waterfront facilities--while also evolving to address emerging 
challenges including protecting existing infrastructure from Alaska's 
extreme conditions to supporting sanitation backhaul, victim services, 
and broadband readiness by enabling local entities to pursue larger-
scale investments.
    In addition to Federal appropriations, the Denali Commission 
receives annual transfers from the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund 
(OSLTF) on the interest from the investment of the Trans-Alaska 
Pipeline Liability Fund as well as transfers directly from other 
agencies and through congressionally directed spending.
    In alignment with Presidential Executive Orders Unleashing Alaska's 
Extraordinary Resource Potential, Unleashing American Energy, Declaring 
a National Energy Emergency, and Deploying Advanced Nuclear Reactor 
Technologies for National Security, our efforts are guided by national 
priorities and strengthened by the partnerships that make real change 
possible in Alaska's rural and Tribal communities.
The Urgency and Uniqueness of Rural Alaska
    Rural Alaska is composed of approximately 200 small, isolated 
villages spread across 395,000 square miles of remote, rugged 
wilderness that includes wandering rivers and eroding coastlines. These 
communities, predominantly Alaska Native, are characterized by their 
traditional subsistence lifestyles, small size, economic hardship, and 
their reliance on a fragile, islanded infrastructure system. Most 
villages--the average size of which is less than 500 people--are not 
connected by road or electric transmission lines and are accessible 
only by air or water. Winter in these areas brings months of prolonged 
darkness and extreme cold, further intensifying the challenges of daily 
life. Population density in rural Alaska is just 0.2 people per square 
mile, compared to the national average of 98.
    Each village depends on its own local infrastructure to generate 
electricity, store and distribute fuel, provide clean water, and manage 
waste. Central to this infrastructure are bulk fuel tank farms--storage 
facilities that hold the diesel and gasoline required for electricity 
generation, heating, and transportation. These tank farms are the 
linchpin of village survival, yet they are aging, vulnerable, and 
increasingly at risk.
    There are few jobs in the villages, cash is chronically limited at 
both the household and institutional levels, and costs for all goods 
and services are significantly higher than the national average due to 
the combination of costly transportation logistics to these remote 
locations, small population sizes, and few opportunities for economies 
of scale. The limited cash flow of bulk fuel storage owning and 
operating entities within Alaska villages means there's very little 
local funding for tank farm projects. Most, if not all, of the funding 
needed to fortify facilities and protect communities is expected to be 
federal or state, and that funding has been decreasing. Meanwhile, the 
condition of existing facilities is deteriorating faster than the rate 
that others are repaired or rebuilt.
    The village power system is generally made up of a diesel 
powerhouse, sometimes the integration of power from locally available 
renewable sources, above ground distribution lines, and a bulk fuel 
tank farm which stores seasonally delivered fuel not just for 
generating power but also for heating buildings and for transportation. 
It is imperative that federal agencies begin to consider tank farms a 
component of the community power system in rural Alaska. Electricity in 
rural Alaska is generated locally through isolated microgrids, usually 
powered by diesel generators. These same fuels heat homes and 
businesses and power the vehicles essential for subsistence activities, 
including boats, snowmachines, and all-terrain vehicles. Given the high 
transportation costs and limited delivery windows due to seasonal 
conditions, fuel must be delivered in bulk and stored safely onsite. 
Without secure and code-compliant fuel storage, communities face 
existential threats to health, safety, and economic viability.
    A 2016 study by the Institute of Social and Economic Research found 
that public investments in tank farms saved more than $2.00 per gallon 
on fuel in some communities. Despite these benefits, the cost burden 
remains staggering. According to the Alaska Village Electric 
Cooperative, rural households spend about 27 percent of their annual 
income on energy--nearly four times more than urban households.
    There are roughly 400 bulk fuel tank farms across rural Alaska, 
operated by electric utilities, fuel distributors, and institutions 
like schools. The Alaska Energy Authority (AEA) estimates that more 
than $1 billion is needed to address deficiencies across the system, 
ranging from minor maintenance and improvements (M&I) to full-scale 
rebuilds (Bulk Fuel Upgrades or BFUs). This growing backlog stems from 
aging infrastructure, insufficient operational and administrative 
practices, and environmental challenges like erosion, flooding, and 
permafrost degradation. Decades of limited public investment and 
chronically constrained cash flow among facility owners have compounded 
the problem--creating a snowball effect where the funding needed to 
build, repair, and maintain safe, code-compliant fuel storage far 
exceeds the funding available.
    Compounding the issue, many tank farms were never built to modern 
standards. In the 1960s, tanks were delivered as part of Bureau of 
Indian Affairs school construction projects. In the 1990s, the U.S. 
Coast Guard and the Environmental Protection Agency identified 
widespread environmental and safety hazards due to aged, non-code-
compliant infrastructure. The result was an urgent call for action, and 
for several years around 2000 there was a significant increase in 
federal funding for bulk fuel upgrade projects, managed primarily by 
Alaska Energy Authority and Alaska Village Electric Cooperative. The 
high levels of funding did not persist, however. Despite well over $300 
million invested by federal and state partners over the last three 
decades, less than half of rural Alaska's tank farms have been 
improved--and many of those are now aging out of their service life. 
The average age of a rural tank farm is 40 years, well beyond the 
expected 20-30-year lifespan. Some villages still use 75-year-old 
tanks. The growing discrepancy between rising project costs and 
available funding points to the need for new solutions, including more 
accessible financing tools that effectively meet the challenging 
circumstances of bulk fuel facility operations and management.
    Similar to tank farm facilities, rural Alaska power systems are 
also facing a growing discrepancy between need and available funding. 
The Alaska Energy Authority estimates a statewide backlog of more than 
$400M to improve the power systems keeping the lights on and water 
pumping in the state's villages. When electricity goes out in a 
village, it doesn't just turn off the lights--it causes freezers full 
of subsistence foods to thaw and it causes the above ground pipes 
pumping fresh water in and waste out of homes to freeze, creating a 
cascade of public health and food security threats on top of expensive 
and time-consuming infrastructure fixes the community cannot afford.
    Diesel generation remains the backbone of energy reliability in 
rural Alaska, particularly during extreme conditions when other systems 
may be unavailable or unpredictable.
    However, the region's abundant land and significant water 
resources--including powerful river systems and geothermal sites--offer 
clear opportunities to evolve toward hybrid energy systems, such as 
pairing diesel with hydroelectric and geothermal generation. This 
multifaceted approach not only increases durability and efficiency but 
also opens new possibilities for economic development. For example, the 
innovative Greensparc data center in Cordova is powered by local 
hydro--highlighting the potential to leverage local energy assets for 
high-value activities like digital infrastructure. Harnessing the 
intersection of Alaska's natural resources and advanced energy 
technologies can position communities for greater resilience and create 
attractive conditions for investment in industries ranging from data 
services to food production--all while reducing long-term energy costs 
and fostering self-sufficiency.
    The average cost of electricity across rural Alaska villages is 47 
cents per kilowatt hour and encompasses a range of $1.50 down to 37 
cents. The average residential electricity cost in Alaska's much more 
populous Railbelt corridor is nearly 18 cents, and the national average 
is 16.2. \1\ As a result, rural households in Alaska spend roughly 27 
percent of their annual income on energy for power and heat, almost 
four times the state's urban average.
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    Upgrading and maintaining code-compliant, adequately sized bulk 
fuel tank farms is one of the most effective strategies to keep costs 
as low as possible and improve energy reliability. These facilities 
enable communities to purchase and store heating oil and diesel in bulk 
by barge during short seasonal windows, rather than relying on costly, 
year-round air shipments. Critically, bulk fuel storage remains the 
backbone of energy reliability--even for communities with renewable 
energy--ensuring backup and stability during harsh weather or supply 
interruptions. Innovative adaptations can make these systems more 
efficient, like modifying marine engines for local powerhouses because 
they produce both electricity and usable heat. That recovered ``waste'' 
heat warms schools, water treatment plants, and community washaterias.
    Energy ties directly to all other aspects of village life: building 
heat, water and sewer (which can account for as much as 30-40 percent 
of community energy demand), transportation (including for subsistence 
hunting, fishing, and gathering activities), and communication. Without 
reliable power, none of these other systems can function. And without 
continued public investment in bulk fuel infrastructure, these costs 
would be even higher--a 2016 study found that such investments can save 
communities more than $2.00 per gallon in fuel costs. \2\
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    Recent Executive Orders underscore the urgent need for robust 
investment in critical energy infrastructure, including highlighting 
the role of advanced reactors in meeting the country's national, 
energy, and economic security. This has direct relevance for Department 
of Defense or Department of Energy application in Alaska, where the 
state is uniquely positioned as proving grounds for small modular and 
micro nuclear technologies given its many areas of energy isolation and 
extreme conditions.
    Grant funding alone is not enough; improved public financing tools 
and flexible eligibility criteria are vital to meeting the unique 
economic and logistical challenges of rural Alaska. Recognizing bulk 
fuel tank farms and power generation facilities as core components of 
community energy systems across federal programs will help address 
deferred maintenance and support resilient growth.
    Strategic energy infrastructure investment not only protects 
communities during emergencies but also enables further resource 
development, economic opportunity, and innovation. Alaska Native 
communities, long accustomed to remote conditions and scarce resources, 
have always embodied ingenuity and adaptability--often finding ways to 
``make it work'' when faced with necessity. By modernizing and 
coordinating grant, loan, and technical assistance programs, Alaska's 
remote communities can remain models of resilience and self-reliance, 
advancing both local and national energy security.
Innovation in Investments
    Efforts to enhance power generation, fuel supply chain resilience, 
and infrastructure access are instrumental in improving energy security 
and reliability for Alaska's communities. Numerous studies--including 
work by the U.S. Department of Energy Office of Indian Energy, the 
National Renewable Energy Laboratory, and independent assessments such 
as GAO-25-107441--demonstrate how targeted energy investments in remote 
and tribal regions can improve reliability, lower costs, and stimulate 
local economic development. Similarly, expanded environmental review, 
planning, and efforts to increase access in various regions in Alaska 
can open up tribal community's subsistence and other natural resources 
while reducing transportation costs.
    Over the past two decades, more than $250 million has been invested 
in rural bulk fuel tank farm upgrades across Alaska. Despite this 
progress, aging infrastructure and deferred maintenance continue to 
pose significant challenges, with many villages facing persistent needs 
for repairs or full-scale rebuilds. Environmental factors--including 
erosion, flooding, and permafrost degradation--further increase the 
complexity and urgency of these upgrades.
    Recently, a master contract approach was launched to address rural 
bulk fuel needs, enabling more efficient coordination of resources and 
project delivery. Integrating improvements across multiple sectors- 
such as transportation and energy--offers further efficiencies and 
helps address interconnected challenges like barge landing conditions 
and fill line reliability.
    Current partnerships with government, industry, and local 
communities are facilitating advances in distributed energy resources 
and resilient infrastructure. Technology transfer initiatives, 
including public-private accelerators and deployment of battery storage 
and miniaturization innovations, are helping to bring solutions 
tailored for off-grid and cold climate environments. Regional 
collaboration--connecting Alaska tribes with other northern states 
(Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, and Washington)--continues to 
provide opportunities for knowledge sharing and development of best 
practices in dual-use and expeditionary energy systems.
Learning from Partnerships
    Recent progress in Alaska's energy landscape demonstrates the value 
of robust federal partnerships, especially through Department of Energy 
(DOE) initiatives tailored to rural and remote communities. Locally 
based technical assistance funded by the DOE Office of Indian Energy 
ensures that solutions are designed to meet Alaska's unique climate and 
logistical challenges. These efforts help projects move swiftly from 
concept to construction--supporting financial planning and unlocking 
additional streams of funding for energy infrastructure.
    DOE's Arctic Energy Office has expanded regional leadership in 
energy resilience by funding the Arctic Energy Ambassadors program. 
This initiative empowers experienced local practitioners to advance 
energy security and foster clean energy transitions, improving outcomes 
for communities statewide.
    Complementing DOE programs, recent interagency coordination has 
allowed for the rapid deployment of $100 million in EPA funds to 
Alaska's highest-need rural bulk fuel facilities, paired with Trans 
Alaska Pipeline Liability (TAPL) interest revenue for critical 
upgrades. The highlight here was that diesel infrastructure was 
woefully omitted from most programs over the last five years but serves 
as a backbone to energy infrastructure in Alaska. Similarly, the Bureau 
of Indian Affairs (BIA) Division of Energy and Mineral Development has 
paved the way for facility improvements in highly vulnerable locations, 
such as the Scammon Bay tank farm, following major weather events like 
the Merbok storm.
    Together, these coordinated federal investments and innovative 
technical support models offer scalable solutions for improving energy 
reliability, infrastructure resilience, and emergency preparedness in 
Alaska's most challenging environments.
Gaps and Needs
    Despite ongoing progress, several critical gaps remain in Alaska's 
energy and infrastructure landscape that warrant committee 
consideration. These include limited access to financing tools for 
small tribal utilities, insufficient technical assistance resources, 
and inadequate capital available for urgent infrastructure upgrades--
including bulk fuel tank farms and diesel power systems. The absence of 
simple, flexible loan mechanisms, robust technical assistance, and 
integrated regional energy planning support--including new 
opportunities related to data centers and LNG--continues to impact 
project delivery and sustainability.
    A key barrier is the inconsistent treatment of bulk fuel tank farm 
facilities in federal funding programs. For financing and eligibility 
purposes, bulk fuel tank farms should be recognized as a central 
component of rural Alaska community energy systems across all 
agencies--ensuring they are eligible for support alongside other 
critical energy infrastructure.
    Other eligibility barriers persist, such as NEPA requirements for 
bulk fuel and power system upgrades and limited recognition of bulk 
fuel facilities as core rural energy infrastructure within federal 
funding programs. Additionally, current loan programs may not be 
structured or scaled for small, remote tribal and rural communities. 
Some federal loan programs remain underutilized despite potential 
opportunities for efficient deployment through entities with 
established local expertise and streamlined processes.
    Technical assistance programs--including support for energy project 
development, circuit rider models, and regional ambassador programs--
remain essential but often lack sufficient funding to support financial 
planning and governance. Long-term projects such as Alaska LNG have 
potential for affordable energy but face ongoing challenges in credit 
allocation and sustained support.
Closing
    Energy security in rural Alaska is vital; it is a basic need for 
survival, but Alaska's villages need more than survival. Energy 
security is the foundation of economic prosperity, something critically 
lacking in most of these communities, and desperately in need of 
additional investments--both grants and loans--not just for the sake of 
these communities on the edge of America, but for the nation to ensure 
a strong Arctic presence. Thank you for your leadership and for 
recognizing the vital importance of meeting these needs now.

    The Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Fenton.
    Thank you all for your testimony. As I was listening to 
your remarks, Ms. Fenton, you are talking about bulk fuel, and 
it seems kind of like yesterday's solution, right, storing fuel 
in a tank, waiting for it to meet the need so that you can 
power your diesel generator for your community. That is old 
stuff. Our reality is that we still are relying on old stuff in 
many of our communities.
    I mentioned all that Igiugig is doing in pioneering with 
the RivGen system, and that little hydropower is amazing, what 
Kawarak is looking to do with geothermal. So there is a great 
deal that goes on with innovation and pioneering. But for so 
many, it is still, the fuel that you consume is still your 
principal way to power your generator and to keep warm.
    When I visited many of the coastal communities following 
Typhoon Merbok, it was really impactful to be with families 
when they were crying, not over the loss of their home, but 
over the loss of the contents of their freezers that they had 
spent all year fishing and harvesting, whether it was moose or 
whether it was caribou or it was the berries in the freezer. 
That was where the real tragedy was.
    So when we think about the reliability and what it means, 
every little increment that you can reduce your costs, because 
you can purchase in greater bulk is appreciated. The value that 
you pointed out there to DOE with the technical and financial 
assistance that has allowed for these levels of security to be 
built are important on so many different levels.
    I want to ask hopefully a very quick question of you, Mr. 
Conrad, to start here. Dr. Ortiz has outlined the 
recommendations from the report that was just recently 
released. If this hearing was greater down the line, I might 
say what of these recommendations have you put in place, but I 
recognize that it is all relatively fresh.
    But the statement was made that DOE agrees to the 
recommendations and I am assuming that that is a correct 
statement and that within the Department of Energy you are 
looking to implement those recommendations.
    Mr. Conrad. Yes, Chair Murkowski, that is correct. The 
Department and the Loan Program Office have said that they 
agree with all the recommendations and they are beginning 
implementation immediately.
    The Chairman. Good. I want to ask you about the Indian 
Country Energy and Infrastructure Working Group, ICEIWG. This 
was previously facilitated by the National Conference of State 
Legislatures. We understand that contract was cancelled in 
March of this year.
    Can you share specifically what DOE-IE is doing to keep 
ICEIWG operating? I am told that it has been of good benefit to 
tribal citizens. So I want to know kind of your commitment to 
keeping these lines of communication open, regarding ICEIWG, 
the annual grantee convenings, which again allow for a lot of 
sharing that goes on.
    Mr. Conrad. Thank you for the question, Senator. We do 
support Indian Country Energy Infrastructure Working Group, and 
we have taken on operations of it internally, with Federal 
staff for the moment.
    The Chairman. Do you have the resources, the staff and the 
funding?
    Mr. Conrad. We currently do have the staff and the funding. 
We would like to return to more the contractor support, because 
of the logistics of handling the meetings when they are in 
person. It is quite burdensome, the scheduling and the travel 
logistics.
    The Chairman. So you see that coming up as a----
    Mr. Conrad. A request for approval, yes.
    The Chairman. All right.
    Dr. Ortiz, I want to talk a little bit more about this 
public finance pathway. You mentioned LPO is working on it. It 
makes good sense; it allows tribes to utilize other revenues 
that they may have to repay their debts. It seems like a 
natural way to increase demand for the program without 
increasing risk to the Federal Government for default there.
    Can you share more about what other Federal loan programs 
may already utilize this pathway, what benefits you see it can 
provide to prospective borrowers? And at the same time you are 
talking about that, highlight any increased risks for the 
Federal Government that you might see in utilizing this 
proposal.
    Dr. Ortiz. Yes. The public financing pathway that LPO has 
proposed definitely has a lot of potential. It is similar to 
some programs run by Rural Development and Rural Utility 
Service at USDA. And it allows bringing part of the work of due 
diligence or the underwriting process in the house.
    So it has the potential to reduce the review time for 
energy projects by kind of scaling the level of review to the 
risk and size of the project. And also to reduce cost by 
reducing reliance on costly consultants.
    That said, in order to implement it, energy is going to 
have to invest in dedicated and trained staff who really know 
how to leverage public finance alternatives.
    The Chairman. Are you saying they don't exist currently 
within the office?
    Dr. Ortiz. They do not currently exist.
    In terms of the risk to the Federal Government, it is not 
something we looked at specifically in our report. But it is 
worth thinking a little bit about the risk potentially to some 
tribal governments in terms of the Department of Energy expects 
the public finance pathway to work by having projects be backed 
by tribal governments. This is essential; it recognizes tribal 
sovereignty; it is very important.
    Though at the same time, many tribal governments do not 
have the kinds of revenue sources that allow them a lot of 
discretion in where to take funds from. So because they don't 
have the ability to levy municipal bonds or to increase tax 
revenue as easily as other States and localities might, it 
could pose some sort of potential risk to some tribes and their 
government operating revenue.
    The Chairman. Thank you for that.
    Senator Schatz?
    Senator Schatz. Thank you, Chair. Thank you to all of you 
for testifying.
    Mr. Conrad, the President's budget in 2026 recommends that 
the Office of Indian Energy not fund wind, solar, and battery 
projects. As we all know, that hasn't been enacted yet. So I 
guess my first question is, are you applying some sort of 
prohibition retroactively to the money that you still have in 
2025 funds?
    Mr. Conrad. No, sir.
    Senator Schatz. Okay. So have you approved any wind, solar, 
or battery projects?
    Mr. Conrad. With 2025 funds?
    Senator Schatz. Yes. With any appropriated funds.
    Mr. Conrad. Yes, we have.
    Senator Schatz. Could you tell me what they are?
    Mr. Conrad. This calendar year?
    Senator Schatz. Sure.
    Mr. Conrad. We haven't had the selections and awards this 
year. They have been on pause. But in prior years, yes.
    Senator Schatz. I know that.
    Mr. Conrad. So we have been under the continuing resolution 
and had our spend plan approved over the summer. So we have had 
increments of funds unable to offer a full notice of funding 
opportunity with the 2025 funds. So we are looking forward to 
using the 2025 funds in the future, once we have approval to 
develop that notice of funding opportunity.
    Senator Schatz. Do you think the existing statute, which is 
to say the continuing resolution, gives you the authority to 
have a preference for projects--let me say it another way.
    Do you think the continuing resolution enables you to 
discriminate against wind, solar, or batteries?
    Mr. Conrad. It remains as it always has been. And we 
continue to work with tribes on any project that they propose 
or request technical assistance on.
    Senator Schatz. How many grant applications to your office 
have been for wind, solar, and batteries in this calendar year 
or this fiscal year, however you want to answer that question?
    Mr. Conrad. I would have to get back to you with the exact 
number on that. But overall, historically it is a very high 
number.
    Senator Schatz. Yes. So what I am hearing is, and I would 
like to confirm this, but what I am hearing is that DOE is 
holding up $30 million of OIE's Fiscal Year 2025 funding, about 
half of its budget. And just for context here, I remember one 
of the first interactions I had with Senator Mullin, we had an 
energy roundtable, and he was a little surprised at the extent 
to which I was open-minded to energy sovereignty, even though I 
clearly have a preference for wind, solar, and battery. But I 
do believe in self-determination, and I don't think every 
fossil fuel project is inappropriate. And that was sort of the 
beginning of a beautiful if somewhat uneven friendship.
    So I would like to be reassured that although the Trump 
administration and Republicans generally have a preference for 
non-renewable energy, that you are not excluding those. Because 
the truth is, right, the truth is coal doesn't pencil. Gas 
sometimes pencils, but oftentimes you are in a line to get a 
combined cycle turbine, right?
    And so you are talking about a five, and geothermal is 
eight, ten, twelve years, nuclear even longer. So the cheapest 
and most immediate energy that you can generate, most of the 
time, not in Alaska, I understand, but most of the time in the 
continental United States is wind and solar. And I would just 
like to be reassured that if we are into energy abundance and 
energy dominance, what we mean by that is not just certain 
categories of energy.
    Because I have stretched politically to say, there are 
instances in which, look, even on the island of Oahu, we are 
still lighting low-sulfur fuel oil on fire for electrons. I 
don't love that, but we don't have an alternative in the short 
run as we ramp up our clean energy.
    So, could you please reassure me that you are going to look 
at this from the standpoint of what is going to get the maximum 
number of electrons on the grid, what is going to get the 
maximum dollar amount into tribal governments' hands as opposed 
to what is going to effectuate one political party or the 
other's preferences?
    Mr. Conrad. Absolutely. We are focused on using the 
taxpayer resources to promote reliable, affordable and secure 
energy resources. And we analyze projects based on a robust 
analysis. We are not approving projects that raise energy costs 
for tribes.
    Senator Schatz. Final question, with your indulgence, 
Chair.
    Ms. Ortiz, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act rescinded $75 
million in credit subsidy funds. Does LPO have any remaining 
credits?
    Dr. Ortiz. Yes. Our understanding is that LPO has $10.5 
million in credit subsidy funds, which is nowhere enough to 
cover the $19.9 billion in estimated loan authority it has.
    Senator Schatz. Okay. Mr. Conrad, can we follow up on, I 
know it is not a lot of money, but it is still money. Can we 
follow up on that $10.5 million to make sure it gets put to 
good use pursuant to the statute?
    Mr. Conrad. Yes.
    Senator Schatz. Thank you.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Schatz.
    Just for the record here, when we have these energy loan 
programs, we all talk about technology-neutral, right, that it 
is going to be whatever your source is, whether it is wind or 
solar or fossil-based, whether it is coal, whether it is 
natural gas.
    And so that is the expectation here. That is, from this 
Senator, is that it is technology-neutral. And in my State, 
yes, you are right, we do have a lot of the all-of-the-above. 
But the projects that we can get online quickest and quite 
honestly, cheapest right now, are wind and solar. And we do 
have several of these that are in that pause category, along 
with some battery storage.
    So even those of us that come from fossil-rich plafces are 
waiting for some of these important technologies. Everything 
that we can do to reduce those costs that these communities are 
paying, and to offset then, bulk fuel. Because that is what we 
have right now.
    I don't have a list on who is next. Senator Smith, thank 
you.

                 STATEMENT OF HON. TINA SMITH, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM MINNESOTA

    Senator Smith. Thank you so much, Chair Murkowski and Vice 
Chair Schatz, and thanks to all of you for being here today.
    Mr. Conrad, I would like to follow up I think a bit on what 
Senator Murkowski and Senator Schatz were just talking about. 
This question has to do with how the Trump administration is 
approaching its government-to-government relationships with 
tribal nations.
    A few weeks ago my staff met with your team to understand 
the office's work with Minnesota tribes. During this meeting, 
we were probing into how the department has conducted any 
tribal consultation on the administration's decision not to 
provide any financial or technical assistance for work on solar 
or wind or battery projects. And what we heard then was that 
that tribal consultation hadn't occurred.
    So I wanted to just follow up with you on this. Can you 
address this? Can you talk about what your plan is to hold 
tribal consultation on this policy to basically pause projects 
that are wind or solar and so forth?
    Mr. Conrad. Sure. Right now, that restriction is in the 
budget request. So it is a negotiation between the 
administration and Congress right now.
    If that becomes law, we are obligated to implement the law 
and follow the direction of the administration, of course. And 
looking at what our strategic plan or how we are going to 
implement that, those options, what would be right for 
consultation, rather than consult on something that we don't 
have an ability or we are not making the decision on as our 
office.
    Senator Smith. So just to be clear, this pause is in 
effect, is that right? You are not making grants; you are not 
proceeding with projects based on the direction of the Trump 
administration?
    Mr. Conrad. But not based on the, I mean, for the Office of 
Indian Energy, we have base appropriations that are not subject 
to the larger reviews that are going on under the IHAA or OIRA 
programs. So our funds and our programs, we are paused under 
review, and as we move forward and bring things up for 
approval, we are getting things approved and getting things 
back to normal as best we can.
    Senator Smith. So, what my concern is is that projects are 
paused right now and that is having a big impact on Indian 
Country projects that were in process and are now paused. And 
what I would expect, based on what the law is, that if you are 
going to take a policy action like that that has direct impact 
on tribal nations, that the legal requirement to do 
consultation would click into place, that that legal 
requirement is sort of underlying to the work that IE does.
    I mean, I think that there is, as I understand it, the 
statutory authorization for IE ``requires'' that it works in 
accordance with Federal policies promoting Indian self-
determination, which we all understand means specifically 
tribal and formal consultation.
    So I would just ask you to maybe give this additional 
thought and then let me know the kind of consultation that is 
required when decisions the Federal Government makes that have 
specific impacts on tribal nations, that that consultation is 
occurring.
    Mr. Conrad. Definitely, and thank you for the question. We 
also have the Office of Indian Energy continue to engage with 
tribes and we have held at least one of our tribal leader 
working group meetings. I know that the other two tribal leader 
working groups, one with fossil energy and one with nuclear 
energy, they have continued to have meetings as well.
    So there is engagement that is going on, just not that 
formal national consultation.
    Senator Smith. I know that you and I both understand the 
difference between engagement and communication and 
collaboration and the formal consultation that is the 
understanding of what that direct government-to-government 
relationship means.
    Mr. Conrad. Yes. I hear you.
    Senator Smith. I am sure you do, and I appreciate that.
    I have one more question, but what I am going to do is 
submit that question for the record in the interest of time. 
This question has to do with the excellent report that Ms. 
Ortiz and the GAO has produced at the request of Senator 
Murkowski and Senator Schatz, looking at the many, many 
barriers that are there for the Tribal Energy Financing 
Program. I specifically have some follow-up questions for you, 
Mr. Conrad, around the issues of capacity-building and what 
more needs to be done there.
    Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
    The Chairman. Senator Daines?

                STATEMENT OF HON. STEVE DAINES, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM MONTANA

    Senator Daines. Chair Murkowski, thank you.
    To look at the purpose of today's hearing is to discuss 
unleashing Indian energy, it is a great topic. We have been 
talking about this for a lot of years in Montana. It is very 
much in line with President Trump's goal of securing American 
energy dominance.
    We need more reliable, affordable energy. I remember the 
days kind of before AI when you would meet with the great tech 
leaders in this Country. The first thing they would talk about 
was that one of their constraints was not enough skilled 
software developers or programmers to meet the needs of these 
growing businesses.
    Today, the number one issue they bring up is energy, and 
not enough energy. No matter whose numbers you look at, it is 
somewhere between 50 and 80 percent more power we are going to 
need in the next 20 years than we currently use today.
    But reliable, affordable energy is critical, not only just 
to meet the needs of the economy going forward, but for 
economic development, particularly in some of the rural 
communities in Montana, on our seven Indian reservations. As we 
say in Montana, it is a beautiful State, grateful I got to grow 
up there and still call it home.
    But oftentimes, you speak with Montanans who will say, we 
have poverty with a view. We have to do better here in economic 
development. And by enhancing an all-of-the-above energy 
portfolio, centered on baseload power sources, that can mean 
the difference between life and death during some of our bitter 
winter months.
    Montana has seen a number of success stories coming from 
important collaborations between tribes and the Department of 
Energy. The Office of Indian Energy was helpful in providing 
the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes with funding and 
technical assistance to acquire operatorship of the SKQ Dam. 
This helped the Tribe create a number of very good high-paying 
jobs, generating affordable hydroelectric renewable power to 
sell on the open market.
    The Crow Tribe in southeastern Montana are also trying to 
expand their energy capacity. Montana sits on the largest 
recoverable coal reserves in the Nation. We are famous for a 
lot of things, great skiing, wonderful streams to fly fish on, 
but some folks don't recognize that Montana has more 
recoverable coal than any State in the United States.
    There is also large tracts on the Crow Reservation. My good 
friend, Chairman Frank White Clay of the Crow Tribe, will tell 
you that coal mining is a crucial economic driver for his 
tribe. The Crow Revenue Act would authorize a land swap to 
allow the Tribe to control subsurface holdings within their 
reservation. This would put the Tribe in the driver's seat to 
make decisions about their own land, very important word called 
sovereignty, and provide a key revenue stream to promote 
economic development.
    The Crow are also eager to develop hydropower capabilities 
on the Yellow Tail Afterbay Dam. The Crow Tribe Water 
Settlement Amendments Act extends the hydropower authorization 
with the Bureau of Reclamation to ensure the Tribe has enough 
time to complete the project. This is key, because time is 
running out.
    First question is for Deputy Director Conrad. Would you 
agree that increasing energy revenues, no matter the source, is 
important for tribes to both bolster their economies and 
enhance tribal sovereignty?
    Mr. Conrad. Thank you, Senator, for the question, and yes, 
of course. We have always talked about energy resources as 
solely energy generation from tribal lands. But there is also 
revenue streams from participating in the broader energy 
economy as well.
    So, technologies that can be proven on a reservation with 
technology that they can export and work and create a revenue 
stream is another great, viable option as well. So I am excited 
to work with them and find out more how we can help.
    Senator Daines. I will follow up on that. Thank you.
    Would you agree and support our efforts that Congress 
should pass legislation that would allow tribes to develop 
their own resources, whether it is coal or hydropower?
    Mr. Conrad. Absolutely. That tenet of tribal sovereignty 
and energy development, tribal energy sovereignty, that they 
have the right to develop what they have for the benefit of 
their people, revenue that they need to provide support for 
those programs.
    Senator Daines. Thank you. Chair Murkowski, and Vice 
Chairman Schatz, it is time we moved forward on that Crow 
Revenue and Crow Water Act. Thank you.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Daines.
    Senator Cortez Masto?

           STATEMENT OF HON. CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM NEVADA

    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you, Chairwoman, and thank you 
all for being here.
    You are going to find pretty much consistent agreement 
here, that for our tribal reservations and Indian Country, we 
need to do all we can. And the technology does need to be 
neutral, and it also is based on geography, what is available.
    I will say this, the Department of Energy, and this has 
been my frustration since I have been on this Committee, and I 
have been on this Committee since I have been in the Senate in 
2017. And we get these incredible, Dr. Ortiz, thank you for 
your report, facts about Indian Country. Indian Country is 
always left behind, under-resourced, understaffed, lack of 
tribal consultation.
    And then we work together to do everything we can to change 
that. We introduce legislation, we appropriate, we want to make 
sure there is that consultation, there is the technical 
assistance. And then it seems like politics always gets in the 
way and there is somebody in a political, who makes a political 
decision to take it away. It is frustrating. I think it is 
frustrating to all of us, no matter who the administration is. 
I think that is why you see many of us fighting to right this 
ship and do right by Indian Country.
    So this is my frustration. The Department of Energy, this 
is their Congressional report, has reported that vast majority 
of unelectrified homes in the United States are located on 
tribal land. That is true in my State. I invite you, Mr. 
Conrad, come to Nevada. I have been to Indian Country in my 
State. Some of them do not have water, let alone electricity.
    I will say, many, because of our geography, and our 
opportunities that are provided now because of the work that we 
have done, have the opportunity to have electricity, a 
different source of electricity. Most of it is going to be 
renewable. We have geothermal, we have solar, we have 
batteries. And there has been a strong investment for so many 
tribal communities, so that they can have that opportunity.
    And now here we are again, the politics getting in the way 
and taking away those opportunities for folks to have just 
simple electricity in their homes that we all take for granted, 
quite honestly in some of our areas.
    So that is my frustration. I understand your challenges and 
your constraints. But I hope you are true to your word, and I 
look forward to working with you, that this technology should 
be neutral. That no matter where you live in Indian Country, 
your source of electricity should be available to you and the 
Federal support for it should be available to you to utilize, 
based on what we received from this report.
    So, solar and wind, I don't like this idea of playing 
favorites. That is not what this is about. So I am looking 
forward to working with you and I have listened to you and I 
hope we have an opportunity to work together.
    Dr. Ortiz, I don't have much time but I do want to ask you 
a question because there has been a number of programs that 
have been zeroed out after we have appropriated some of the 
funds for them. One of them was the Solar for All program, 
which was designed to help low-income and disadvantaged 
communities gain access to new and efficient energy 
technologies and lower electricity bills.
    The program was set to distribute $7 billion, $500 million 
of which had been obligated for six different tribal 
applicants. And just a few weeks ago, the Trump 
administration's EPA announced that they would be terminating 
that program, leaving grant recipients without the assistance 
they were promised.
    So as you have outlined in your report, how does this leave 
Indian Country? What is the ultimate impact here for Indian 
Country when these types of programs are taken away?
    Dr. Ortiz. Thank you for that question.
    I think in addition to the failure to meet the Nation's 
trust and treaty obligations, and really follow through for the 
people of Indian Country, it perpetuates the myth that you 
can't get anything done in Indian Country. We have tribes and 
consortia and TEDOs, who are doing so much work to come 
together, really leverage the kinds of power sources they have 
on their lands, elsewhere, other resources, bring that 
together. They spend years planning the process.
    They spend years investing in finance, responding to 
questions from agencies, and then when something like this 
happens, the deal falls apart, and it leaves people without 
power and it just perpetuates this myth. That should not be the 
case. There really is amazing potential for energy development 
in Indian Country.
    And one of the greatest benefits of this Tribal Energy 
Financing Program in particular was this technology-neutral 
aspect of it. It really allowed tribes to be in the driver's 
seat to determine what was best for their situation and their 
resources.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you.
    I know my time is up. I do have a question for Ms. Fenton, 
if it is all right. Because I do think it is important; I 
appreciate the work that you have done and the collaboration 
and thinking outside the box. I think many of our, I know in 
Nevada, many of our tribal communities are in really rural 
frontier areas, and it requires them to figure out how to 
address some of these challenges.
    You talked about, in Alaska, being a model for some of 
these partnerships. Can you talk a little bit about some of 
those partnerships and what I can bring back to, at least 
Indian Country in Nevada, where they could look to see hey, 
this is a model, and it is something we should be looking at 
that we could possibly replicate or learn from?
    Ms. Fenton. Yes, and specifically, we are looking into what 
can be replicated. But just hearing about some of the 
hydropower and coal resources they have in Montana, we have 
really found that the technical assistance, getting out into 
communities, seeing their needs, understanding their unique 
circumstances for developing a project and also taking a 
challenge or an issue and supporting them to get that to a 
project.
    You can have an issue. It takes a lot of development to get 
into a fundable project, whether it is State, Federal funds, 
philanthropic funds, loan potential, adding to that capital 
stack. Having that hand-holding and technical assistance is 
crucial.
    So that is something that can be replicated, copy-pasted, 
to other States and tribal communities.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Can I ask, is your commission, is it 
State? Is it State-funded?
    Ms. Fenton. We are the regional commission for Alaska. We 
focus on just the State of Alaska.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Okay.
    Ms. Fenton. But we are looking at technology transfers and 
seeing where we can partner with other communities and what-
not. So I say that the technical assistance aspect, the 
partnering aspect, and there could be some potential on, Mr. 
Conrad and I discussed earlier today how the regionalization of 
this type of support can be very helpful. We have seen success 
in Alaska. Maybe we can have another coordinating body or some 
additional communication and coordination to focus on tribal 
infrastructure.
    We have areas in Alaska that have had more success because 
someone dedicated, or a group dedicated to a particular facet 
of infrastructure. So water and sewer, for example, and we have 
partners that are going into more of the energy and power 
realm. And then we have transportation groups.
    So coordinating, communicating some of the successes from 
that regional approach, giving that support to individual or 
smaller communities that need that backup. They may have staff 
turnover. They need subject matter expertise. When we have it 
in the regions or even in addition to having additional 
supplies or things, located in region, to take away, to add 
some slack in the line of the supply chain. Of course, 
especially in Alaska, whenever you are operating with short 
construction seasons and what-not.
    I think those are some things that can be helpful in other 
areas.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Thank you, all three, for 
being here.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator. I think that is a good 
question just in terms of what kind of sharing and partnering 
is going on. Because as different as the regions may be, there 
is a lot of commonality of the challenges. So how we can get 
smarter by sharing information, and we have technology 
transfer, knowing the technical assistance that you receive 
from DOE, you not only learn a lot, but they also learn from 
what you are able to do on the ground as well.
    So instead of just keeping all that information, making 
sure that there is sharing of this in terms of what we can do 
more to enhance program deliverability, what you can be doing 
more. We all know that there is limited expertise out there. We 
hear that over and over and over again, that we don't have the 
sophisticated grant writers, we don't have those who are really 
well versed in permit applications.
    So how we can be collaborating more there I think is 
important.
    One of the questions that I wanted to direct to both Mr. 
Conrad and to Ms. Fenton is on the prospect for potential 
partnering in an area that doesn't necessarily relate to 
unleashing energy here. But when we are talking about housing, 
your house doesn't mean much other than just the roof over your 
head if we can't meet the energy needs, providing for water and 
sewer hookups, providing for power there.
    And we have seen play out in Alaska a pretty great 
partnership between the Denali Commission and the Alaska Native 
Tribal Health Consortium, working with the IE, the Indian 
Energy Office in providing technical assistance. It has been 
great. We appreciate that.
    There are a number of funding sources at the Department of 
Energy outside of the Office of Indian Energy that aim to 
address home electrification, the weatherization issues, some 
other housing-related needs. And again, you have technical and 
financial resources that we have heard great things about. The 
tribally designated housing authorities can't directly access 
them.
    I am hoping that we can have a follow-on conversation 
working with our staffs, your department, to talk about how we 
may be able to improve the efficiency of the distribution of 
these types of funds for housing support in places like Alaska 
and really across Indian Country, where we know that need is.
    So I am hopeful that you will have an open door on this 
aspect of what more can be done on the technical assistance 
side. And then, Ms. Fenton, if you can address possibly the 
role that Denali Commission could play in streamlining access 
to the funds to improve whether it is home electrification, 
energy efficiency within housing. Because it is kind of part 
and parcel to what we are talking about here today.
    Mr. Conrad. Absolutely. That is a very exciting 
opportunity, and we do have the technical assistance and an 
additional navigator service that can help guide people who are 
requesting the technical assistance to other DOE resources, as 
well as other Federal resources within the scope of what they 
are interested in.
    So we have dedicated staff to do that. We are looking 
forward to how we can be more innovative in effective delivery.
    The Chairman. Great. I like to hear that.
    Ms. Fenton?
    Ms. Fenton. You are absolutely right to connect energy 
systems with housing. We see the Denali Commission as being a 
tool to help bridge some of the Department of Energy's programs 
with Alaska's tribal housing authorities, with our broad 
authority that spans across siloed programs. We are not just 
energy, we are not just housing, we are not just water and 
sewer, we are not just transportation. We are all of the above 
when it comes to critical infrastructure in communities.
    Paired with our Section 311 transfer authority, that allows 
us to braid funding streams and put together that capital stack 
from both Federal, State and even private organizations. We 
could assist coordinating across some of these fragmented 
funding through the various offices, which we understand, it 
makes it hard for small housing entities to access.
    And I think if we were to serve as a coordinating partner 
similar to a HUD, Housing and Urban Development Office of 
Native American programs, we could potentially streamline some 
of that process, coordinate resources, and ensure that dollars 
are distributed strategically and effectively.
    Then, we are even in the midst of standing up a quarterly 
housing working group. These types of things, this type of 
coordinating that we do in Alaska helps see what projects are 
in the pipeline, what funding is available, and we try to pair 
it with funding opportunities to try to build that capital 
stack and make projects move forward.
    The Chairman. That is good.
    Dr. Ortiz, you kind of outlined in your report some of the 
barriers that are out there in using the Tribal Energy 
Financing Program. You have high and unpredictable costs of due 
diligence. You have mentioned that in your testimony here 
today.
    We have heard from some applicants, again, that DOE hires 
contractors without tribal expertise. So it just adds to the 
time that they have to spend on the due diligence and the cost 
for the applicant. This is all ahead of knowing whether or not 
they would be able to secure the loan or the loan guarantee.
    So you can see a scenario where people are going to be 
like, no, I heard from so and so, it was a bad experience, they 
were two years into the process, it cost them a lot of money, 
and look where they are.
    And then to the point that you made earlier in response to 
Senator Cortez Masto here is, you may be in a situation where 
you have done it all and now the administration has everything 
put on pause. All the money that you have spent, all the years.
    So we are not doing a lot to kind of sell the benefits of 
the program, right? What do we do about that? Obviously, if we 
have these reforms that are made that the report suggests that 
is going to be important.
    But there are some real deterrents that have been 
legitimate deterrents out there. And now you have stacked on 
top of that just kind of the word on the street, if you will, 
that it is a tough process, it is expensive, and you don't get 
where we need to go.
    Do you have any good ideas on what can be done to kind of 
rebuild the credibility here of the program, so that you are 
going to have additional entrants?
    Dr. Ortiz. I think there are definitely two major aspects. 
There is the thought of, if we are going to really revamp and 
revise the existing program, DOE needs to implement GAO's 
recommendations. They need to think about due diligence costs, 
consider how to implement a public finance pathway in a way 
that really doesn't place additional risk on applicants, but 
streamlines the process.
    They need to rethink how they review applications to scale 
that review for the risk level and size of the loans. And then 
Congress would need to appropriate enough for the credit 
subsidy and the cost of administering the program. That is if 
the program stays as it is. That would promote its major 
benefits of having this technology-neutral tribally driven 
sense where tribes are really able to leverage what they have 
toward economic development through saved electricity costs, 
revenue generation and job creation.
    There is another set of questions around whether or not 
this program needs to be in its current form. And really, a 
couple of questions that came out in our report are who is 
administering the program. By placing the program within the 
Loan Programs Office, it was put along with other programs that 
serve billions of dollars for their projects, that are 
addressing or using cutting edge technologies. And that is not 
what most of these Tribal Energy Financing Program applications 
are for.
    There is also the question of what kind of need the program 
is trying to meet. One benefit of the program is that it is 
remarkably flexible. The applications that have been submitted 
have gone from $23 million to over $8 billion. That is 
wonderful. But does it make sense to have one program that is 
really including some of those really massive projects in with 
those smaller projects that might be clearly tested technology, 
easy to roll out, quick to implement?
    So those philosophical question of like, where is it going 
to be? We really need tribal expertise. We really need people 
who understand tribal energy development, understand how tribal 
governments work, have cultural competence and really 
understand tribal revenue generation and how tribes use 
enterprises to support their operating costs.
    That office needs to be competent in those skills, wherever 
this program lays. And currently, as our report pointed out, 
that is not a strength of the Loan Programs Office. That is a 
strength of the Office of Indian Energy.
    But again, thinking about the goals of the program, is it 
really about serving everyone, or is it better to focus the 
program on, for example, what we heard from one expert, is the 
missing middle of programs, those projects from around $25 
million to around $100 million? That would meet a lot of need 
that is in Indian Country.
    The Chairman. Well, I really appreciate what you have 
shared there toward the end. I think oftentimes what happens 
around here and Senator, you mentioned, you have been on the 
Committee now, your full tenure here in the Senate, and 
oftentimes it is like hit replay. We have different people in 
front of us giving the testimony, but it is basically the same 
story. And it is because we just try to do a tweak here to the 
program, or maybe expand your authorization, so instead of $20 
million it is $40 million.
    But we really haven't addressed the real operational 
efficiencies within the programs themselves. We don't do that 
level of oversight. That is what this is, is an oversight 
hearing. So I really appreciate that you have ventured out and 
gone beyond just saying, this is what you might want to 
recommend for existing programs.
    But maybe we need to revisit, to relook at this. In my 
head, I am thinking about what the Nuclear Regulatory 
Commission is dealing with on the nuclear side. And there is a 
big difference between permitting and siting Three Mile Island 
versus what we are talking about with small modular reactors. 
Yet it is kind of the same thing. We are going to put you in 
the same bucket and it is going to be just awful.
    We are doing that with hydro relicensing, where it doesn't 
make any difference if you are the Hoover Dam or if you are a 
small dam in Southeast Alaska. So I think you are challenging 
us to look perhaps a little bit differently at how we might 
structure this, so that we really do get that value.
    Let me ask you, Jocelyn, you mentioned a couple of times in 
your testimony that the funding that is available, the grant 
funding that we are providing, particularly when it comes to 
the bulk fuel needs, isn't enough to address the capital needs, 
much less the operation and the maintenance. So you have cited 
the need for improved public financing tools, greater 
flexibility.
    What opportunities do you see within DOE's Tribal Energy 
Financing Program? What do you think it is going to take to 
make it work better in Alaska? And how can we kind of address 
the underutilization that we see of the Tribal Energy Financing 
Program?
    Ms. Fenton. Right. To start with, we see that bundled 
projects and aggregating projects to get some of those 
efficiencies is key. So bundling a bulk fuel project, for 
example, instead of financing one $8 million tank farm in a 
single village, we could have a --
    The Chairman. Remind me; how many bulk fuel projects, how 
many communities are being looped into this one proposal that 
you are working right now? Phase one, yes.
    Ms. Fenton. What we call phase one is $100 million is going 
into 10 communities.
    The Chairman. Okay.
    Ms. Fenton. And each community doesn't break down to $10 
million each community, it depends. It is very site-specific, 
and we have to get out and make sure that we have our designs 
and what-not.
    So aggregating, having more funding at one time. There are 
efficiencies to be gained having projects that have proximal 
geographic locations for field visits and logistics for the 
equipment and supplies to do the projects. Having mixed energy 
infrastructure packets together or packaged together like a 
tank farm, a powerhouse upgrade, and renewables and a battery 
system package all at one time. We recognize that diesel and 
other bulk fuels are unavoidable in rural Alaska. They serve as 
the backbone to these series of microgrids.
    While integrating renewables, we need to upgrade those 
systems so often. So having a technology-neutral or energy-
agnostic project in a community to really push forward into --
    The Chairman. I am going to interrupt you there, because 
that is something that needs to be underscored. I think 
sometimes the thought is, well, if we put in that wind turbine 
or if we put in a few solar panels over here, then we don't 
need the bulk fuel storage, we don't need that. But you have to 
have the backup and you have intermittent sources that are not 
there. Solar is not good 365 days a year anywhere, much less in 
Alaska.
    So I think that is important, that we underscore that these 
do, you have a coupling that goes on.
    Ms. Fenton. Absolutely. The wind doesn't always blow, and 
the sun doesn't always shine. But the diesel generated power 
plant is that energy and power backbone of those communities.
    And while integrating renewables helps with fuel shortages 
or price of fuel fluctuations, and rural and remote communities 
really find renewables to be a very beneficial aspect of the 
power supply, every gallon of diesel offset is helpful, 
lowering long-term costs and what-not. So that is definitely a 
piece of the puzzle.
    So let's see, expanding your projects, aggregating 
projects, having mixed energy infrastructure projects, and then 
mitigating risk by either having technical oversight or 
derisking projects with grant funding, understanding the 
capital stack, lowering the risk to lenders and what-not, that 
can really help these projects moving forward and 
understanding, again, understanding that deferred energy and 
bulk fuel needs, grants are not, they are just not going to cut 
it moving forward.
    We are doing a bulk fuel aggregation study that we are very 
excited about hearing the recommendations. But they are not 
ready yet for this hearing, unfortunately. But stay tuned.
    The Chairman. Okay, yes. We will stay tuned on that.
    Dr. Ortiz. Chair Murkowski?
    The Chairman. Yes, go ahead, Dr. Ortiz.
    Dr. Ortiz. If I might jump in just on integrating different 
energy sources, one of the villages we visited in Alaska a 
couple of years ago for our work on microgrids that we put out 
last year looked at a system that had wind as well as diesel.
    When that village was able to add battery storage to its 
system, it was able to save over 60,000 gallons of diesel a 
year. That is $250,000 or more to that one village. And that is 
an amazing cost, when you can really integrate, recognizing 
where tribes are and what different circumstances and different 
geographical factors play into their energy needs.
    The Chairman. I appreciate your raising that. And I will 
ask you to just expand there, because you have given a specific 
example. But in terms of how the TEFP is structured, you have 
suggested before that there were reforms that the report 
addressed with regard to the office. Do you have any 
suggestions when it comes to the financing program, program 
specific, that we might want to look to either maintain or 
enhance or reform, add to other programs? What do you have to 
offer there?
    Dr. Ortiz. I think some of the main benefits are things we 
have already discussed. There is the flexibility to address any 
kind of energy technology, that is technology-neutral aspect.
    One other benefit is that projects for the Tribal Energy 
Financing Program could be done on or off of tribal lands. So 
when you get those partnerships working together, they can 
really leverage different strengths from different partners.
    The program also allows multiple applicant types. So a 
tribe could apply. But a TEDO could apply. And also a lender on 
behalf of the tribe, or a tribal consortium, which really 
allows smaller tribes the opportunity to have ownership of 
these projects.
    I think a lot of tribes are used to having developers 
approach them and want to develop something and then kind of 
maybe give the tribe some benefit but keep the bulk of the 
benefits for themselves. One of the great benefits of the 
Tribal Energy Financing Program is that ownership aspect. That 
gives the prospect for the tribes of increasing the reliability 
of their electricity, decreasing their energy costs, and really 
having revenue generation and job creation along with those 
projects.
    The Chairman. So, I am coming to the end of the series of 
questions that I wanted to raise. We haven't really talked that 
much; it has been mentioned that staffing in the report was a 
concern. Limited staffing to review applications, but also the 
expertise of the staffing and their understanding or lack 
thereof of tribes and just not dealing with tribes or Tribal 
Energy Development Organizations.
    It makes sense, when you think it through, that, okay, if 
you are dealing with somebody that doesn't really understand 
tribal applications or the implications that they are going to 
be learning as they go, or they might give you bad information.
    What other complications do you see when you are dealing 
with those who have, loan program offices that have the 
unfamiliarity with tribes, and the Tribal Energy Development 
Organizations?
    And I don't know whether there are specific examples, 
whether it just adds to time and cost, or whether it is even 
worse than that, that you can actually get like just bad 
information here.
    Dr. Ortiz. There are several examples of what happens when 
you have that turnover in staff and the lack of training. It 
can cause confusion, increased administrative burden for the 
tribe and really lengthen that time of review and the cost.
    We heard from one potential applicant that it took six 
months to get answers to questions. We heard from one applicant 
that months into the process, they were still getting questions 
about whether the project was even eligible for the programs. 
So they were feeling really strung along.
    At one point, LPO asked one applicant to increase the scope 
of its project by adding a whole different element that the 
tribe had not planned on including. And it seemed to have no 
appreciation for the massive burden that was, both 
administratively and in terms of finances and working with its 
development partners.
    When you have no in-house expertise or not enough in-house 
legal expertise, we heard from one tribe about how that lack of 
expertise led energy to really push every question out to 
consultants. But that was on the tribe's dime.
    The Chairman. Then they had to pay for it, yes.
    Dr. Ortiz. Right.
    The Chairman. So in terms of processing of loan 
applications or loan guarantee applications between a tribal 
program versus a non-tribal program, is it about the same 
length of time? Have you done an analysis on that?
    Dr. Ortiz. We did do a specific analysis for this report. 
But GAO has definitely reported on challenges with tribal 
energy development for many years, including delays in terms of 
what it takes to go through permitting when you are dealing 
with trust lands and resources or complicated ownership or 
access issues, in terms of understanding how revenue models 
work for tribal governments.
    So we know that that misunderstanding or that lack of 
knowledge can really extend the time.
    Tribes also, like other energy development projects, face 
lengthy environmental reviews at time. Sometimes that is a 
result of some of what might be going on on the lands in terms 
of cultural resources. That is not a problem necessarily. It is 
something that needs to be factored into the length of time it 
takes to review a project.
    Also generally, many tribes don't have the kind of 
administrative capacity, and we have reported on systematic 
barriers to accessing Federal funds for tribes because of this 
lack of administrative capacity, a lack of an agency 
understanding of these tribal government structures or tribal 
revenue models.
    And all of that gets wound into this. And when you place 
extra burdens like high equity costs, high development costs, 
and a really onerous due diligence process on top of all of 
this, our report showed how that really just puts a damper on 
the whole process.
    The Chairman. So, Mr. Conrad, within the Office, I am 
assuming that you have seen the reductions in force that other 
departments and other agencies have. I don't know what your 
numbers are. I don't know if you can share them with me.
    But within the loan office, the Tribal Energy Loan Program, 
have you lost that level of expertise? It is one thing to say, 
well, I have my numbers, I know how many people that I have in 
a given office. But there is a difference between the seat and 
the chair and the person that actually has this level of 
expertise that Dr. Ortiz is talking about.
    Mr. Conrad. Thank you for the question. Digging into this 
issue and the findings of the report, our office, while we 
offer technical assistance, capacity building and grants, we 
don't do the Loan Program Office. And I don't have specific, I 
mean, I know the people who are operating it. I don't know 
their specific, I haven't reviewed their resumes and that sort 
of thing.
    I know our office has lost nine employees, which is a 
decent amount, because we are a small office. The other offices 
have lost more, significantly more.
    But I can't address how the Loan Program Office is able to 
staff the program. I understand that they have a few leads on 
the outreach team, and then they use portions of people's time 
on more of the origination and back of the house expertise.
    The Chairman. I am just thinking about the time that you 
conducted this report, the time that you did the research for 
the report was before, was while the Biden administration was 
still in office. We have now seen change in administration, but 
we have also seen reductions in force across the Federal 
workforce. So I would be curious to kind of know where we are 
with those numbers. But again, I recognize that numbers are not 
just numbers when it comes to levels of expertise.
    Dr. Ortiz?
    Dr. Ortiz. We have a recent update from the Department of 
Energy. And they have about 272 FTEs assigned to the Loan 
Program Office. Forty-three of those positions were vacant and 
110 of those were on administrative leave in anticipation of 
retirement or resignation. So they are working with fewer than 
half of their regular staff.
    On top of that, during the course of our review, we 
discussed with them dedicated staff for the project. They had 
dedicated at least 12 individual seats for people to have this 
expertise and really be interacting with tribes and doing that, 
bring their expertise into the origination process and the 
review process.
    But they told us that they really struggled to fill those 
seats and that they couldn't keep people. So instead, they 
rotate folks in and that sometimes leads to a real disconnect 
in terms of what tribes hear from people.
    So there is a very strong outreach team with a lot of 
experience working with tribal nations. But they don't always 
have the same understanding of the program that the people 
originating the loan did. And that creates a conflict and 
problems down the road, as these projects move further along.
    The Chairman. It just causes you to recognize even more the 
inequities that we see throughout Indian Country, what we see 
in places like Alaska, when it comes to energy. We heard today 
communities that don't have running water, don't have 
electricity. We certainly have that in many of the villages.
    It is always those that have the least capacity, that are 
in the most challenging of situations. And it is just kind of 
this deep hole that they are in, and they just can't get out. 
This is where we need that level of expertise. We need the 
technical assistance and we need these barriers of, okay, you 
are going to be able to get help with this, but you have to pay 
these outside contractors and basically they are getting paid 
by the hour. So you look at it and you don't even know how to 
start.
    And then those who have greater capacity, greater 
capability, greater resources already are able to take the home 
that they already have that is already plumbed and already 
wired and make it more efficient. And that is great. But we 
still have so many that are just working to get the basic needs 
met.
    So how we help facilitate this, and I am going back to the 
suggestion that you raised, Ms. Ortiz, that maybe we need to be 
separating out what is contained within this Indian Loan 
program, this Tribal Loan program, and have it be based on the 
size or the capacity or the capability, or I don't know. But 
not just basically any tribal entity, everybody is all in one 
bucket, regardless of where you sit with regard to your 
capacity or your resources.
    So something for us to be thinking about. Because I hear 
too many who view this as, it is great that you have that back 
in Washington, D.C., but it doesn't do me a darned bit of good 
in Kipnuk. And that has really bothered me, because the number 
of people from my State who have come to me seeking help and 
seeking resources, and I say, well, don't forget, we have the 
Office of Indian Energy, we have these tribal loans. And they 
come back and say, well, out of my reach.
    And we have to do better by that. That is why I think 
utilizing the resources that we have like the Denali 
Commission, where we can take these funding streams, these 
resources, do the braiding that we talk about, really 
leveraging things within different programs, so that everybody 
can gain access to a level of support and resource.
    But it sounds like we might need to look to some 
restructuring here.
    With that, I really appreciate the testimony of all of you. 
As I mentioned, this hearing record will be left open so that 
others may submit comments. I know members will have additional 
questions for the record. But I really appreciate what you have 
done, and the opportunity for a good discussion about an 
important project.
    So with that, the Committee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 4:27 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]

                            A P P E N D I X

 Prepared Statement of Hon. Darrell Mike, Chairman, Twenty-Nine Palms 
                        Band of Mission Indians
    Chairwoman and Vice Chairman,
    The Twenty-Nine Palms Band of Mission Indians (the ``Tribe'') 
submits this comment on the September 10, 2025 Oversight Hearing 
entitled ``Unleashing Indian Energy--Examining Federal Programs at the 
U.S. Department of Energy.'' We have first-hand experience with those 
programs, and our experience has not been a positive one. The Tribe has 
suffered from the bureaucratic red tape of the Department of Energy 
(DOE) Loan Program Office (LPO) and is still waiting on approval for a 
loan for our shovel-ready gas-fired generating station. The Tribe has 
pursued this loan since 2022, and our proposed project is well-aligned 
with the Federal government's energy policy priorities. We submit this 
comment to explain the problems the Tribe has faced with the Tribal 
Energy Finance Program (TEFP) with the hope of helping the Senate 
Committee on Indian Affairs (``the Committee'') understand how 
bureaucratic hurdles have stymied the progress of tribal energy 
sovereignty and reliable energy generation projects.
Process Length
    The Tribe agrees with the U.S. Government Accountability Office's 
(GAO) recommendation that ``[t]he director of the LPO should direct 
staff to implement proposed program changes to reduce the length and 
complexity of the application process for Tribes.'' The Tribe's plans 
to build our natural gas power plant have suffered from the length and 
complexity that the GAO highlights. We are in our third year of the 
loan process and have spent over $30 million towards our grid-enhancing 
generation project and yet we still cannot break ground because our 
loan has not been approved. Meanwhile, power needs have drastically 
changed since we began this process in 2022. As the United States, and 
California in particular, grasps with increasing electricity demands to 
power American leadership in Artificial Intelligence (AI), the Tribe's 
project is more needed than ever. There is no good reason why approval 
for a loan on a shovel-ready project that meets the needs of the time 
should take three years or more to progress to the due diligence stage.
Loan Application Review
    One of the reasons for the long delay is the overly-bureaucratic, 
unduly protracted and expensive initial review process that occurs 
before the due diligence review process begins. In order to accommodate 
the LPO's review and the consultant contracts required, the Tribe spent 
money well beyond what we had budgeted for loan approval. Meanwhile, 
the LPO employees assigned to the Tribe's loan application refused to 
make decisions and contradicted each other. By way of example, the 
Tribe was asked to amend our initial application to include renewable 
and green energy components. This caused the Tribe to spend additional 
millions on the project developing a solar and battery storage 
component only for the LPO to then do an about-face and take the 
position that renewable components were not required for approval. Yet, 
even after all the Tribe's attempts at cooperation during the review 
process, it took almost three years to be granted entry into the due 
diligence process--which has since been rescinded--and approval still 
eludes us. Our experience is emblematic of the need for revisions to 
the due diligence process as the GAO recommends.
Lack of Knowledge and Understanding of Native American Tribes, Tribal 
        Governance, Tribal Enterprises and Tribal Finance
    The Tribe has also suffered from a lack of competence among the 
staff of the LPO regarding Native American tribes. For example, about a 
year into the process, we were dumbfounded to learn that some of the 
staff responsible for processing our loan did not understand that the 
Tribe is a sovereign government and that tribal enterprises are 
organized and financed significantly differently from private 
businesses. This led to continuous delay and misunderstanding about how 
LPO's loan approval and due diligence criteria should be applied to 
tribal enterprises. In order for the DOE and LPO to advance tribal 
leadership in energy development, they must understand Native American 
tribal government. For those reasons, we support the GAO 
recommendations that the LPO maintain consistent staff with knowledge 
of tribal energy finance. Approving our project will also help build 
that competence as future staff can look to our project as a successful 
model.
Communication
    As alluded to above, the Tribe encountered, and continues to 
encounter, many failures in communication during the TEFP loan approval 
process. For instance, the LPO has not been transparent about the 
accessibility of federal funding. Frequently, we receive external 
guidance that seems to be at odds with the internal procedures of the 
loan approval process. The Tribe is very committed to building our 
generating station and associated delivery infrastructure and has 
worked diligently to give the LPO everything it asked for and needed to 
approve our loan. Unfortunately, those efforts have been met with 
opaque requirements and contradictory guidance.
    Twenty-Nine Palms is a proud member of the Coachella Valley 
community, a region that suffers from blackouts, brownouts and 
moratoria on consumption of additional electricity needed to meet 
expanding business demands. We want to help solve the problem in our 
region of inadequate and unreliable electricity by building a natural 
gas generating station and affiliated infrastructure that can provide 
affordable power to our businesses and our neighbors and support grid 
resiliency. If the LPO approves our loan, we can finally break ground 
and help advance the Federal government's goals of combatting a 
national energy emergency, unleashing American energy, and promoting 
energy security. We hope our story has informed the Committee about the 
struggles tribes face in securing TEFP loans. We are happy to meet with 
any member of the Committee who would like to learn more about our 
experience on our path toward tribal energy sovereignty.
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             OCETI SAKOWIN POWER AUTHORITY POSITION PAPER: 
          RECOMMENDATIONS FOR RESTRUCTURING THE TRIBAL ENERGY 
                           FINANCING PROGRAM
    The Oceti Sakowin (pr. O-CHET-ee Sha-KO-wee) Power Authority (OSPA) 
submits its Position Paper on Restructuring the Tribal Energy Financing 
Program (TEFP). OSPA is a Tribal energy development organization, 100 
percent owned and managed by seven Sioux Tribes that share territory 
with the State of South Dakota.
    This submission follows the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs 
September 10, 2025 hearing on the Government Accountability Office's 
(GAO) Report on TEFP. \1\ OSPA thanks the Committee for directing GAO 
to study this matter, and for this opportunity for interested parties 
to submit comments. The GAO Report is excellent--which is typical for 
that Office's efforts--and OSPA supports the analysis and conclusions 
of the GAO Report. In this paper, OSPA discusses the issues of most 
importance to the OSPA member Tribes, and offers its recommendations 
for restructuring TEFP that would most benefit the OSPA Tribes' energy 
policies and goals.
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    \1\ Government Accountability Office, Report to the Committee on 
Indian Affairs, U.S. Senate, TRIBAL ENERGY FINANCE: Changes to DOE Loan 
Program Would Reduce Barriers for Tribes, August 2025 (GAO Report).
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I. TEFP Must Be Restructured to Support a Wide Variety of Tribal Energy 
        Projects--Most Importantly, Large-Scale Energy Transmission and 

        Distribution
    The GAO Report states the Congressionally-mandated goals of the 
Tribal Energy Financing Program: ``TEFP supports large-scale tribal 
energy projects that can advance economic development opportunities for 
Tribes and that use various types of conventional and renewable 
technology.'' \2\ GAO's witness at hearing, Dr. Anna Maria Ortiz, notes 
that ``TEFP is intended to support a broad range of energy development 
projects and activities. . . . such as electricity generation, 
transmission, or distribution facilities . . . or energy storage 
facilities.'' \3\ The GAO Report and Dr. Ortiz illustrate the breath of 
Tribal demand for support of energy projects by identifying 
unsuccessful applicants for TEFP loans/guarantees: generation projects 
ranging from 15 MW to 500 MW, \4\ and financing requests ranging from 
$23.8 million to $8.7 billion. \5\ The GAO Report concludes that 
``[t]he ability to use TEFP to finance a range of energy projects gives 
Tribes more flexibility to pursue projects that leverage these Tribes' 
interests and resources, according to a potential participant.'' \6\
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    \2\ GAO Report at 20.
    \3\ Dr. Anna Maria Ortiz, GAO Director, Natural Resources and 
Environment, Tribal Energy Finance: DOE Actions Needed to Reduce 
Barriers for Tribes, written testimony to Senate Committee on Indian 
Affairs, September 10, 2025 (Dr. Ortiz Written Testimony), at 2.
    \4\ GAO Report at 17.
    \5\ Dr. Ortiz Written Testimony at 3.
    \6\ GAO Report at 21.
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    OSPA fully endorses GAO's analyses and conclusions--the number and 
variety of applications for TEFP support, including OSPA's own 
unsuccessful application, demonstrate the longstanding desire of Tribes 
across the country to develop large-scale energy projects, the vast 
unmet Tribal need for such support, and the variety of energy projects 
that can bring transformative economic development to some of the most 
remote and poorest Tribes in the country. OSPA must, however, emphasize 
that the need for transmission upgrades to Tribal lands is the most 
compelling need and difficult challenge for Tribes, and any 
restructuring of TEFP must prioritize support for transmission on and 
adjacent to Tribal lands. OSPA discusses the critical need for 
transmission support below.
II. TEFP Must Support Multi-Tribal and Regional Projects that Bring 
        Extra High Voltage Transmission to Tribal Lands
A. EHV Transmission Deserts Are an Absolute Barrier to Tribal Energy 
        and 
        Economic Development
    The OSPA member Tribes with the largest reservations are located in 
the area called ``West River South Dakota,'' west of the Missouri 
River. The entire area--the whole western half of South Dakota--is an 
extra high voltage (EHV) transmission desert. EHV is defined as 345 kV 
and above, and is the scale of transmission capacity that is required 
for the energy-intensive industries that will define the future of this 
country: AI, data centers, and advanced manufacturing. There is no EHV 
transmission in West River. \7\
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    \7\ In late 2024, the Southwest Power Pool added the first 345 kV 
line in western South Dakota to its portfolio of approved transmission 
projects. That line remains in the planning stages, but one aspect of 
the project is clear--it bypasses all the Tribes in South Dakota, and 
so will perpetuate the EHV transmission desert across the Tribal lands 
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    The OSPA member Tribes with the largest reservations are all 
located within the EHV transmission desert. Most of what is used as 
``transmission backbone'' across the area--and all the transmission 
across the reservations of the Cheyenne River, Oglala, and Rosebud 
Sioux Tribes--is 115 kV, which is barely sufficient to meet the 
existing residential and limited commercial power demand, much less 
support energy-intensive industries or utility-scale power generation. 
All the 345 kV transmission in South Dakota is east of the Missouri 
River--on the other side of the state from the largest of the OSPA 
Tribes' reservations. The impact of this lack of transmission capacity 
on Tribal economic development is obvious--the map below shows the 
sites of data centers and wind farms currently in service or under 
construction in and around South Dakota. These projects generally 
follow the existing 345 kV transmission lines--east, north and south of 
the Tribes. The absence of EHV transmission has proven to be an 
absolute barrier to energy and economic development on Tribal lands.


    As OSPA has detailed in comments filed with the Department of 
Energy (DOE) and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC), four 
utility-scale renewable energy generation projects, totaling 915 MW in 
nameplate capacity, all privately funded, and being developed by OSPA 
and other Indian-owned and Tribally owned developers, have been put on 
hold because of the enormous cost of building the new transmission 
capacity needed to put those projects on line. Moreover, three 
different OSPA member Tribes want to develop their utility-scale energy 
resources but cannot obtain an interconnection queue position because 
no transmission capacity is available. The lack of EHV capacity is an 
absolute barrier to Tribal economic and energy development in South 
Dakota, and deploying EHV is the necessary precondition to Tribal 
economic development. From OSPA's discussions with other Tribes, OSPA 
understands that lack of EHV transmission capacity is a major 
impediment to economic and energy development for Tribes across the 
country.
B. There Are Multiple Federal Grant, Loan and Loan Guarantee Programs, 
        Administered by Multiple Federal Agencies, Specifically 
        Designed to Support Tribal Community-Scale and Microgrid 
        Projects, but None Dedicated to 
        Supporting EHV Grid Upgrades on Tribal Lands
    The DOE Office of Indian Energy Policy and Programs administers 
several programs that are dedicated to supporting Indian energy 
projects. Acting Director and DOE IE witness at hearing David Conrad 
described the Office's support of over 240 Indian energy projects since 
2010, which among other things, improved over 11,000 buildings. \8\ As 
Acting Director Conrad explained, these are extremely valuable programs 
that significantly reduce the cost of retail energy for Tribal 
communities, improve service resilience, and expand Tribal capacity to 
act in the energy sector. These are community-scale projects. 
Additional support for Tribal community-scale and microgrid projects is 
supplied by programs administered by the Departments of the Interior, 
Agriculture, and Commerce.
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    \8\ Testimony of David Conrad, Acting Director and Deputy Director, 
Office of Indian Energy Policy and Programs, U.S. Department of Energy, 
Before the Committee on Indian Affairs, United States Senate, Regarding 
Tribal Energy Dominance Hearing, September 10, 2025, at 2-3.
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    There are no federal programs dedicated to upgrading the national 
power grid on and around Tribal lands.
    The GAO Report notes that: ``In August 2023, DOE generally reported 
that few federal funding sources were available to Tribes for 
developing energy infrastructure, potentially limiting the development 
of large-scale tribal energy projects.'' \9\ In OSPA's experience, the 
GAO concern over lack of resources is understated.
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    \9\ GAO Report at 27, footnote 59, citing Department of Energy, 
Tribal Electricity Access and Reliability: Report to Congress 
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    The GAO report identifies several federal resources that ``may be 
available, depending on whether a Tribes' project matches the program's 
criteria and timing.'' \10\ The Report goes on to cite several programs 
within DOE that ``may be able to support Tribes with project 
development for large-scale energy projects. These include an IE Tribal 
Energy Planning and Development grant program; the Grid Deployment 
Office's Grid Resilience State and Tribal Formula Grant Program and the 
Grid Resilience and Innovation Partnerships; and DOE's Communities 
Local Energy Action Program and Energy Transitions Initiative 
Partnership Project.'' \11\
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    At the hearing, DOE IE witness David Conrad noted that his Office 
sustained significant budget and personnel cuts, and that a number of 
programs are currently under review. He was not able to confirm whether 
or not specific programs were suspended. OSPA agrees that the Grid 
Resilience and Innovation Partnerships (GRIP) Grant program could 
provide significant funding for the grid upgrades required by the OSPA 
member Tribes. In 2024, OSPA, Basin Electric Power Cooperative, and 
several Tribes, supported by the Western Area Power Administration 
(WAPA), submitted an application. That application was rejected, but 
the same parties are prepared to re-apply when the third and final 
tranche is announced. DOE had stated that the last tranche was expected 
to be announced in spring 2025, but to date, a Funding Opportunity 
Announcement has not been issued.
    Other potentially useful programs appear to be no longer available. 
The Transmission Acceleration Grant (TAG) program, administered by the 
DOE Grid Deployment Office, funds states and Tribes planning for 
transmission projects. OSPA applied for this year's award, but just 
received word it was rejected. We have been unable to find any 
announcements of any TAG grant awards made under the program this year. 
Unobligated funds for the Transmission Facility Financing (TFF) program 
were rescinded by the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. OSPA is unable to 
determine if the Transmission Facilitation Program (TFP) is still 
available.
C. The $20B Size of the TEFP Makes It Uniquely Able to Support Big 
        Transmission Projects on Tribal Lands
    The size of the TEFP, at $20 billion, and its exclusive focus on 
Tribal energy, makes it the one indisputably remaining federal program 
that can meaningfully address the transmission shortage that has become 
a crisis for Tribal energy and economic development.
    The EHV transmission upgrade that has been designed by WAPA, Basin 
Electric, and OSPA would bring 345 kV across four of the largest 
reservations in the country. It's a big project--the cost is expected 
to approach $2 billion. The Grid Deployment Office (GDO) reviewed the 
planned transmission project in the 2024 GRIP application submitted by 
OSPA, Basin Electric, and three Tribes, and supported by WAPA. GDO 
found that the project was an ``[i]nnovative and novel collaboration'' 
that ``would improve the regional resilience of the grid in a 
monumental way. The transmission line technology is cutting edge . . . 
[t]he grid extension would open up a large amount of previously 
untapped wind energy spurring downstream investment . . . .'' \12\
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    A transmission project this big and expensive will be complex--it 
likely will combine financing/funding from private investors and 
Transmission Owners (TOs), cost recovery through the Integrated 
Transmission Planning process conducted by the Southwest Power Pool 
(SPP), and federal funding/financing. TEFP is a large enough fund to 
make a meaningful contribution to this capital stack, and will make it 
easier for the Tribes and the TOs to attract the necessary private 
capital.
III. TEFP Financing of Big Transmission Projects Will Ensure Tribes 
        Play a Major Role in Transmission Planning Conducted by RTOs, 
        PMAs and Utilities, and Secure Significant Ownership in the 
        Completed Projects
    Large transmission projects are like any other expensive project; 
they operate according to the Golden Rule: ``He/she who brings the gold 
makes the rules.'' The OSPA member Tribes rank among the poorest in the 
country--while we have been able to leverage regulatory interest, the 
federal trust responsibility and good will to achieve the active 
engagement of WAPA, Basin Electric, and SPP in designing and promoting 
our Tribal grid upgrade, our Tribes don't have any significant amounts 
of money to bring to the table.
    This is where TEFP financing can have an impact much greater than 
the actual investment. Because TEFP financing is only available for 
Tribal energy projects, the OSPA Tribes can be as large an investor in 
the project as the Power Marketing Administrations (PMAs) and other 
TOs, utilities and other investors. This will ensure that OSPA is 
centrally involved in engaging with the Regional Transmission 
Organization (RTO) and TOs in planning, permitting, and constructing 
the project. Equally important, partial financing by Tribes through 
TEFP will ensure a significant Tribal ownership interest in the 
completed transmission project.
    GAO recognized the unique role TEFP can play in promoting Tribal 
ownership of big infrastructure projects:

   Focus on tribal ownership. Tribal applicants cited the 
        importance of tribal ownership for economic development 
        prospects. One applicant estimated that owning a large-scale 
        energy project would significantly increase the Tribe's annual 
        revenue, which it plans to reinvest into the community. A 
        potential program participant said the program can accept 
        applications from a consortium of Tribes, which enables small 
        Tribes with limited resources to own a large-scale energy 
        project. \13\
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IV. Designating a Portion of TEFP Loans to Support Early-Stage 
        Development and Making Them ``Forgiveable'' or Structured as a 
        Program-Related Investment Fund Will Enable Tribes to Initiate 
        Large Projects and Reduce Risk for the Tribes and the 
        Government
    GAO speaks at length about the need for TEFP to finance early-stage 
development work. OSPA agrees that this is one of the most important 
functions TEFP can serve. Early development work for a big transmission 
project includes identifying routes on Tribal lands that meet the 
approval of Tribal Historic Preservation Offices (THPOs) and the Tribal 
communities. This means early and consistent engagement with the THPO, 
Tribal Councils and affected communities, and hiring an engineering 
design firm and Tribal Cultural Specialists for studies related to 
siting. It also requires engaging wildlife and environmental 
contractors to begin the work that will be required in the NEPA 
permitting process, and regular coordination with the relevant PMA, 
TOs, and RTO.
    GAO recognizes that lack of funding/financing for this work can be 
a barrier to Tribal energy projects: ``However, many Tribes do not have 
the upfront cash resources for early project development activities 
which can be expensive, especially for larger-scale projects.'' \14\
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    OSPA has a recommendation for supporting early-stage development 
work within the structure of TEFP: Establish a ``forgivable'' or 
Program-Related Investment (PRI) \15\ development fund within the 
larger TEFP. This would allow the Tribes to obtain relatively modest 
funding/financing for early-stage development work (for the OSPA EHV 
project, less than $10 million over two-to-three years will complete 
the early development work for a estimated $2 billion project). If the 
early project design and engagement work supports the continued 
development of the project, the loan would be rolled into the larger 
project financing. If the project cannot proceed, the loan would be 
forgiven or treated as a grant. This enables Tribes or Tribal 
developers to undertake critical early development work without 
incurring substantial debt. Risk to the TEFP can be minimized by the 
relatively modest size of the loan, and by the quality of the PMA, TOs, 
and/or RTO involved and their initial evaluation of the project, and by 
the use of other expert contractors.
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purpose beyond making a return. These can be high-risk investments to 
groups that otherwise lack access to capital. The investment is 
expected to be repaid, with at least a modest return, which allows the 
institution to recycle the investment into other projects. https://
www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/private-foundations/program-related-
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V. Miscellaneous Issues Raised in the GAO Report and Senate Hearing
A. What Agency/Office Should Administer the Restructured TEFP?
    OSPA does not have a strong opinion on the agency or office that 
administers the restructured TEFP, provided that the agency/office has 
experience in administering financing for large infrastructure 
projects. OSPA also believes that the TEFP administrator should have 
regular access to the national laboratories. The National Renewable 
Energy Laboratory, Lawrence Berkely, the Pacific Northwest National 
Laboratory and the National Energy Technology Laboratory routinely 
advise DOE and other agencies, and are sources of considerable 
expertise on technology and finance relating to infrastructure 
projects.
B. How to Provide for Tribal Sovereignty and Ownership While Limiting 
        the 
        Financial Risk to Which Tribes May Be Exposed? Allow TOs to 
        Participate in the TEFP Application Process
    Dr. Ortiz provided an excellent discussion of this issue at 
hearing. She correctly noted that Tribal sovereignty in decisionmaking 
and ownership is required by Treaties and the federal trust 
responsibility, but the way control and ownership are typically 
exercised is through investing. The restructured TEFP should provide 
ways to promote sovereignty and Tribal ownership without putting the 
Tribes into debt.
    OSPA believes that, with TEFP financing, the co-development 
arrangement that OSPA has established with WAPA, Basin Electric, and 
SPP accomplishes these goals. As discussed in  IV above, if early-
stage development funding/financing is made available through a 
forgivable or PRI TEFP loan, OSPA and its member Tribes would be able 
to conduct the pre-permitting siting work and engage consultants 
familiar with Tribal cultural issues and priorities. As discussed in  
III above, bringing TEFP financing to the OSPA transmission project 
will make OSPA a co-investor, and this will empower OSPA to exercise 
significant control over the planning and permitting processes.
    The government's risk in making these loans can be minimized by 
allowing the direct involvement of PMAs and other TOs in the 
application process. In the case of OSPA's transmission project, OSPA 
engaged with WAPA and Baskin Electric early in the planning process. 
WAPA and Basin developed the original project design with OSPA's input. 
In doing so, WAPA and Basin identified the general routes that would 
result in the maximum resilience gains and congestion relief. They also 
factored in the generation projects that the Tribes could pursue once 
adequate transmission capacity becomes available. This level of 
analysis, conducted with the expertise of WAPA and Basin Electric, 
substantially derisked the project.
    The restructured TEFP should expressly allow PMAs and TOs to join 
in the Tribe's application. This would encourage other Tribes, PMAs, 
and TOs to work together cooperatively to pursue TEFP financing, and 
would substantially reduce the risk for the TEFP administrator. As OSPA 
discusses in  VI below, WAPA's attorneys need assurances that WAPA has 
the authority to participate fully in the TEFP application process, and 
these assurances should be provided in the TEFP restructuring.
C. How to Limit Program Expenditures on Outside Engineering, Financial, 
        and Legal Consultants? Allow TOs to Participate in the TEFP 
        Application Process
    GAO has concluded that ``potentially high and unpredictable due 
diligence costs can pose a barrier for Tribes,'' \16\ and proposes ways 
to limit the use of outside engineering, law, and finance firms in 
evaluating proposed TEFP projects.
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    As discussed above, for big transmission projects, RTOs, PMAs, 
utilities and/or private transmission developers will be involved with 
the Tribes in designing, permitting, constructing, and operating the 
project. The involvement of these expert entities will substantially 
derisk the project. TEFP administrators, to the extent necessary, can 
hire outside experts to check the work of the project designers, but 
this will involve much less work than de novo review of a proposed 
project.
D. The Restructured TEFP Must Be Mandated to Be Technology Neutral
    At the September 10 hearing, every Senator who addressed the 
issue--regardless of party affiliation--stated emphatically that TEFP 
loans/guarantees may not be limited to any particular type of energy 
resource, but must support an ``all of the above'' approach to Tribal 
energy projects. As Chairman Murkowski explained at hearing, the energy 
resources available to Tribes--whether coal, oil, gas, wind, solar, 
geothermal or hydro--are determined by geography, and Tribes are 
restricted to developing what resources they have within their 
reservations and native areas. And as OSPA has demonstrated in this 
paper, in order to make these generation projects possible, EHV 
transmission and local distribution must also expressly be supported by 
the program.
VI. Congress Must Clarify that PMAs Are Fully Empowered to Consult with 
        Tribes in Transmission Planning, and to Partner with Tribes in 
        TEFP Loan/Loan Guarantee Applications
    In July of this year, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory 
(NREL) circulated a draft paper entitled ``Tribal Engagement in 
Transmission Planning,'' and sought comment from Tribes and Tribal 
organizations. The NREL paper conducted an excellent survey of 
transmission needs on Tribal lands and made specific recommendations on 
how the energy transmission planning process conducted by Regional 
Transmission Organizations could more effectively solicit input from 
Tribes and reflect Tribal goals and priorities in the planning process. 
One recommendation was for Tribes to partner with Power Marketing 
Administrations, who could represent Tribal interests in the RTO 
planning process:

        Partnerships with existing SPP members. Transmission owners 
        such as WAPA. . . . have a strong standing in transmission 
        planning because an RTO is fundamentally an agreement among 
        transmission owners to operate their common grid according to 
        common rules. \17\
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    \17\ National Renewable Energy Laboratory, Tribal Engagement in 
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at 22-23.

    A year prior, the ``i2X'' program, sponsored by DOE, made a similar 
recommendation. \18\
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Interconnection Roadmap, Transforming Bulk Transmission by 2035, at 37-
38, Solution 2.10 (April 2024). https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/
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    OSPA strongly supports these NREL and i2X recommendations, and in 
OSPA's experience, WAPA is the best positioned transmission owner to 
take input on Tribal transmission needs, advise Tribes on how best to 
meet them, and to promote Tribal positions within the RTO planning 
process. WAPA currently serves about 700 wholesale, or ``preference,'' 
customers--10 percent of which are Indian Tribes. \19\ Moreover, as a 
federal agency, WAPA shares the federal obligation to engage in 
meaningful consultation with Tribes. WAPA's Tribal customers include 
the OSPA member Tribes, and OSPA has been working with WAPA since 2023 
in designing EHV upgrades to the national power grid across four of the 
largest reservations in the country, and promoting the project's 
inclusion in the Southwest Power Pool Integrated Transmission Planning 
(ITP) portfolio.
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Informational Outreach (July 12, 2022). https://www.wapa.gov/wp-
content/uploads/2023/04/WAPA-Native-American-Tribe-Informational-
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    However, OSPA has experienced a significant challenge regarding 
WAPA's full participation in supporting Tribes in the planning and 
portfolio selection process: WAPA's attorneys are concerned that WAPA 
lacks authority to engage fully with Tribes. OSPA strongly disagrees--
WAPA's statutory authority to design, build and operate one of the 
largest electric transmission systems in the country, to manage the 
Transmission Infrastructure Program, and to serve the needs of its 
Tribal preference customers clearly is broad enough to encompass a 
transmission planning and advocacy role for Tribes. However, in OSPA's 
experience, WAPA's attorneys have been overly cautious in exercising 
it. Specifically, in 2024 OSPA formed a coalition including WAPA, Basin 
Electric, three OSPA member Tribes, and others to draft and submit an 
application for a Grid Resilience Innovation Partnerships grant to 
provide partial funding for EHV grid upgrades across multiple OSPA 
Tribes' reservations. Just prior to the filing deadline, WAPA's 
attorneys advised WAPA that it could not identify itself as a 
``partner'' or a sub-recipient in the application. DOE later cited this 
lack of specificity about the uses of the grant funds as a primary 
reason the application was denied. OSPA is concerned that this 
overabundance of caution may prevent WAPA from serving as an effective 
advocate for Tribal energy transmission needs and priorities.
    In her testimony, Dr. Ortiz discussed at length that TEFP 
administration has been plagued by inconsistent and rapidly changing 
standards for evaluating loan applications, and states the need for the 
Secretary of Energy and the Loan Programs Office to issue a thorough 
clarification of program guidance. \20\ This analysis comports with 
OSPA's experience, and the need for such a comprehensive clarification 
of lending rules and standards is evident. As part of this 
clarification, OSPA requests that the Senate Indian Affairs Committee 
and TEFP administrator clarify that WAPA and other PMAs are fully 
authorized to participate actively in Tribes' applications for TEFP 
loans/guarantees and other federal funding/financing programs, and to 
be identified in the applications as a sub-recipient of the loan/
guarantee proceeds.
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    \20\ Dr. Ortiz Written Testimony at 4-8.
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VII. Conclusion
    OSPA thanks the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs for this 
opportunity to submit our position on this matter of critical 
importance to our member Tribes. We are at your disposal if we can 
provide additional materials or information.

        Respectfully submitted,

         Lyle Jack, Chairman of the OSPA Board of Directors

                            Jon Canis, OSPA General Counsel
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                                Port Gamble S'Klallam Tribe
                                                 September 16. 2025

Dear Hon. Lisa Murkowski and Hon. Brian Schatz:

    As the Senate evaluates the implementation of Executive Order 
14154, ``Unleashing American Energy,'' the Port Gamble S'Klallam Tribe 
(PGST) urges the Committee to continue support for tribal energy 
sovereignty both through existing Department of Energy programs and 
through the creation of new programs that promote energy independence.
    We are aligned with the Executive Order's goals for affordable and 
reliable energy. However, we are concerned that energy exploitation and 
production on Federal lands and waters will come at the expense of 
ecosystem integrity, tribal sovereignty, and future generations. 
Tribes, including PGST, have stewarded the lands of the United States 
since time immemorial. We encourage the Senate to consider the non-use 
value that these lands provide, including ecosystem services for clean 
water, carbon sequestration, recreations--and of particular importance 
to tribes, cultural and provisioning services. The simplified and 
expedited permitting processes dictated by Section 5 must still 
necessitate tribal consultation and provide sufficient time for tribal 
staff to evaluate permitting documentation.
    PGST is grateful for the Department of Energy's Energy Technology 
Innovation and Partnership Project for technical assistance in the 
creation of a Strategic Energy Plan. However, the DOE's review process 
has recently been modified to require an Executive Secretary Review. 
This additional step has lengthened the timeline substantially--we have 
been waiting since late May and our expected turnaround time of one 
month has turned into nearly four months. Delaying adopting the 
Strategic Energy Plan has prevented our Energy Sovereignty Program from 
sharing our plans with external partners, hindering collaboration: 
draft documents provided by the DOE and Pacific Northwest National Labs 
are ``for internal review only--not to cite, quote, copy or 
distribute.'' We would like to receive a final version of our plan and 
the Executive Secretary Review has been an unanticipated barrier to our 
progress.
    PGST ha been frustrated with the lack of responsiveness from DOE 
regarding funding programs. We attempted to apply for the $10,480 
allocated to us by the Energy Efficiency Conservation Block Grant. 
First, we reached out on April 4 to [email protected]. We received an 
unhelpful response on Apri 8: ``Thank you for reaching out. We 
appreciate your inquiry and will respond to you as soon as possible.'' 
This message was the only one we received, despite following up on May 
8. On May 21, we registered for the EECBG voucher portal and received 
an automated confirmation from [email protected]. We followed 
up on May 27 after receiving no further communication, asking when we 
might gain access to the application given the May 31 deadline, but 
never received any further response.
    Therefore, PGST was unable to access this funding source. PGST had 
a similar experience with the Grid Deployment Office (GDO) when 
inquiring about the Grid Resilience State And Tribal Formula Grant--we 
were advised that our question about the availability of funding could 
not be answered while the GDO conducts a department-wide review of 
programming in accordance with Executive Order 14210.
    PGST was disappointed to hear Environmental Protection Agency to 
terminate the $7 billion Solar for All. This program would have enabled 
low-income and disadvantaged communities including PGST to benefit from 
distributed solar energy. We hope that the DOE can provide a similar 
program that will enable our tribal member to access low-cost, 
renewable energy.
    Thank you for your consideration.

        Sincerely,
                             Hon. Amber Caldera, Chairwoman
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Lisa Murkowski to 
                             Jocelyn Fenton
Executive Summary
    Rural Alaska's energy systems are at a breaking point of scale, 
cost, and risk. Nearly 200 remote, fly-in or boat-access communities 
rely on aging microgrids and bulk fuel facilities that are costly to 
maintain yet essential for survival in extreme conditions. Many now 
operate beyond their design life, leaving communities--and the nation--
vulnerable to cascading failures during supply disruptions or 
emergencies.
    Without renewed federal investment, failures in community 
infrastructure will continue to divert military and emergency 
resources, undermining national preparedness and driving up government 
costs. Recent Executive Orders--such as Unleashing Alaska's Resources 
and Unleashing American Energy--authorize the rollback of restrictions, 
the promotion of fossil fuel and mineral extraction, and revision of 
permitting to fast-track traditional energy projects. Alaska's tribes 
are positioned to utilize these provisions in their energy planning and 
portfolios, though realizing those benefits hinges on strong local 
governance and technical capacity.
    Across Alaska, the Department of Defense is prioritizing energy 
resilience through redundant generation, microgrids, and fuel system 
upgrades to ensure mission continuity under extreme conditions. Rural 
communities require similar reliability. Modernizing bulk fuel systems 
is essential to sustain local operations, reduce costly emergency 
responses, and maintain the logistical resilience that supports defense 
readiness, Arctic security, and supply chain security.
    Infrastructure longevity rests on three pillars: capital 
improvements, operational support, and capacity building. In addition 
to the $100 million still needed for Phase II of the Bulk Fuel 
Deployment Plan, ongoing investment in operations, maintenance, and 
technical collaboration is critical to ensure long-term reliability.
    Well-maintained community infrastructure underpins both economic 
and national security. Stable energy systems attract private investment 
in critical minerals, strengthen supply chains, and reduce reliance on 
military assets for disaster response. Investing now in Alaska's rural 
energy backbone will secure America's northern frontier, bolster 
national readiness, and sustain the infrastructure vital to U.S. 
strategic interests in the Arctic.

    Question 1. How could DOE and DOE programs support bulk fuel 
systems?

    Answer:

   Consider Bulk fuel facilities an essential part of a 
        community energy system, opening up eligibility for financial 
        and technical support.

   DOE could open up a specific technical assistance or funding 
        opportunity, beyond E-TIPP or C-MAP, to facilitate rural Alaska 
        regional energy planning that includes bulk fuel facilities and 
        economic assessments to help tribal, municipal, and regional 
        entities determine a path toward improved operational 
        sustainability of all energy systems.

   DOE could partner with the Denali Commission to fund Phase 
        II--the Implementation Plan--of the Bulk Fuel Aggregation 
        Study.

   DOE could allow O&M set-asides in capital improvement 
        funding.

    Robust and well-maintained bulk fuel systems are not only vital for 
sustaining rural communities, but also increasingly recognized as 
critical infrastructure for national security and economic development, 
as underscored by recent federal Executive Orders. DOE could strengthen 
support for rural Alaska's bulk fuel infrastructure by formally 
recognizing bulk fuel systems as an essential component of rural 
community energy systems. This aligns with recent Executive Orders, 
which encourage the removal of regulatory barriers and prioritize 
domestic energy production, giving DOE a clear mandate to act on behalf 
of rural Alaska's energy security and national resilience. This 
recognition could extend across DOE programs, including the Office of 
Indian Energy, so that all aspects of bulk fuel management, from 
operator training and technical assistance to condition assessments and 
capital projects, are eligible for funding.
    DOE could also consider providing targeted assistance for regional 
planning efforts that evaluate the comprehensive needs of bulk fuel 
facilities and the financial structures necessary for long-term 
sustainability beyond reliance on grant funding. Through this planning 
and technical support, tribal and local entities would be enabled to 
explore alternative energy resources and develop diversification 
strategies tailored to their communities--leveraging DOE and partner 
expertise to advance new energy solutions alongside bulk fuel system 
upgrades. Prioritizing direct investment in local governments, tribes, 
and consortiums strengthens community capacity, utilizes local 
expertise, and delivers resilient solutions tailored to Alaska's unique 
challenges. These collaborative planning efforts would identify 
scalable, region-based strategies that improve efficiency, reduce 
costs, and support sustainable local capacity.
    In addition, DOE could consider partnering with the Denali 
Commission to fund Phase 2 of the Alaska Bulk Fuel Aggregation Study 
(the Implementation Plan), which will define specific policy, 
regulatory, and capital improvement pathways to strengthen both the 
financial and physical sustainability of rural tank farms. The 
Implementation Plan, when completed, is anticipated to be a roadmap for 
guiding decisions at the local, regional, and state level to improve 
long-term facility operations and financial sustainability. (Please see 
the answer to question 2 for more information about the Study.) DOE 
could further enhance impact by creating or adapting funding programs 
to support bulk fuel system operations and maintenance (O&M), including 
dedicated set-asides for O&M costs within construction awards, and by 
investing in monitoring and preventative maintenance technologies 
designed for remote, harsh environments.
    Finally, DOE programs could address whole-system lifecycle planning 
at the point of capital investment, ensuring that construction or 
replacement projects are paired with long-term strategies for 
maintenance, modernization, and eventual replacement. This systems-
based approach would improve reliability, extend facility life cycles, 
and safeguard public investment in critical rural energy 
infrastructure.

    Question 2. What federal funding streams are available to support 
utilities' O&M costs presently?

    Answer:

   Few, if any, federal funding streams are available to 
        support utilities' O&M costs.

   DOE and partner agencies, including the Denali Commission, 
        could explore a performance-based O&M pilot for rural Alaska 
        energy systems.

   Federal funding is needed for a pilot project to implement 
        the Bulk Fuel Aggregation Study Phase II recommendations.

   Raise TAPL Funding (one-time or ongoing): Could provide a 
        substantial, dedicated funding stream through congressional 
        appropriations. Offers high-impact infusion for infrastructure, 
        but may require political negotiation and could be subject to 
        annual appropriations cycles.

    Federal funding to support operations and maintenance (O&M) for 
rural utilities in Alaska is very limited and generally indirect. Most 
federal programs administered by the Department of Energy (DOE), 
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and U.S. Department of 
Agriculture (USDA) focus on capital investment (i.e., constructing or 
upgrading infrastructure) rather than the ongoing costs of operating 
and maintaining those systems once built.
    A few programs offer partial or related support:

   Denali Commission's portfolio includes funding for operator 
        training, technical assistance, and targeted facility repairs 
        or efficiency upgrades that extend the useful life of existing 
        systems. With limited exceptions, the Commission does not 
        generally extend funding opportunities for routine O&M 
        expenses.

   USDA Rural Utilities Service (RUS) programs may incorporate 
        some operational support or technical assistance within loan or 
        grant mechanisms, though these opportunities are narrow and 
        competitive.

   DOE's Office of Indian Energy, along with programs such as 
        E-TIPP (Energy Transitions Initiative Partnership Project) and 
        C-MAP (Community Managed Microgrid Assistance Program), provide 
        critical technical assistance to help local operators build 
        management capacity, yet they do not directly fund O&M.

    Across rural Alaska, where more than 180 remote communities operate 
isolated microgrids and bulk fuel facilities to meet essential needs in 
harsh and expensive operating environments, the absence of dedicated, 
sustained O&M funding mechanisms represents a major vulnerability. 
These systems are typically operated by small villages or local 
utilities with very limited cash flow and user bases too small to 
spread high fixed costs, leaving little margin for preventive 
maintenance or emergency repairs. This structural gap contributes to 
deferred maintenance, shortened infrastructure lifespans, and recurring 
reliability and safety challenges.
    To begin addressing this gap, DOE and partner agencies could 
explore a performance-based O&M pilot for rural Alaska energy systems 
(including bulk fuel), implemented through a collaborative federal-
state-tribal-nonprofit partnership drawing on existing expertise in 
technical assistance, safety, regulatory compliance, and community 
capacity-building. Modeled on performance-driven infrastructure 
initiatives such as the Department of Defense's Energy Resilience and 
Conservation Investment Program (ERCIP) and Energy Savings Performance 
Contracts (ESPCs), the pilot could tie funding or technical assistance 
to measurable outcomes--such as implementation of preventative 
maintenance programs, fewer preventable leaks and spills, fewer 
unplanned outages, improved operator training, and compliance with 
safety and environmental standards.
    Importantly, a performance-based model would need to operate at 
regional scale or across a portfolio of facilities, where aggregated 
participation provides stronger financial footing, allows standardized 
benchmarks, and generates data sufficient to evaluate effectiveness. 
While there are no existing regional utilities, the benefit of working 
together and creating utility collaborations is clear, such as TCC, 
ANTHC, and those emerging in the YK Delta and Bristol Bay regions. This 
is a known need and wouldn't be starting from scratch. The Bulk Fuel 
Aggregation Study now underway is expected to identify the structural, 
financial, and regulatory pathways that could inform such a model. 
Phase 2 of that work (the Implementation Plan) will provide the data-
driven basis for designing and scoping any performance-based O&M 
initiative. Early estimates suggest that a modest, multi-community 
pilot, potentially on the order of several million dollars, could 
meaningfully test these concepts once guided by the Study's findings.
    Adapting performance-based approaches to rural Alaska's energy 
systems at scale could help extend facility life, reduce emergency 
repair costs, and promote more consistent system stewardship, even 
without establishing a permanent O&M subsidy.

    Question 3. How does a lack of O&M support impact communities 
reliant on bulk fuel? Please provide real-world examples.

    Answer:

   The lack of dedicated O&M support directly increases the 
        likelihood of environmental contamination, fuel supply 
        disruption, threats to life, health, and safety, economic 
        hardship, and deteriorating energy and national security.

    The absence of consistent operations and maintenance (O&M) support 
for bulk fuel systems in rural Alaska has serious consequences for 
community safety, environmental protection, and energy reliability. 
Bulk fuel facilities are critical infrastructure in these communities; 
they store and distribute the diesel and heating fuel that power local 
microgrids, heat homes, and support water, sewer, and transportation 
systems. When preventive maintenance and operator support are 
underfunded, systems become increasingly fragile and communities are 
forced into a reactive posture, responding to crises instead of 
managing assets strategically.
    Without adequate O&M resources, communities face:

   Greater risk of spills and leaks. In February 2024, roughly 
        6,400 gallons of diesel spilled in Kwigillingok when a transfer 
        pump overfilled a bulk tank and fuel breached secondary 
        containment, threatening nearby waterways. ADEC and the U.S. 
        Coast Guard coordinated an extensive cleanup (Anchorage Daily 
        News, Feb 21 2024). Similarly, an 18,000-gallon diesel spill in 
        Point Lay in 2022 was traced to a failed valve seal at the 
        community's tank farm (Reuters, Aug 12 2022). Both incidents 
        underscore how aging equipment and limited maintenance capacity 
        heighten spill risks and cleanup costs.

   Service interruptions and loss of power or heat. The City of 
        Akiak has endured repeated power outages due to generator 
        failures and lack of spare parts or trained staff. In 2024, 
        residents went weeks with inconsistent electricity, losing 
        frozen food stores and relying on personal generators to keep 
        freezers running (Alaska Public Media, July 1 2024). Because 
        the community has only a few hundred residents, there is no 
        financial cushion to absorb major repairs.

   Vulnerability to extreme weather and erosion. During Typhoon 
        Merbok (2022) and again with ex-Typhoon Halong (2025), storm 
        surge and flooding damaged fuel storage facilities in multiple 
        western Alaska villages, dislodging tanks, floating drums, and 
        spreading sheens of fuel across inundated areas (AP News, Oct 
        2025). Facilities lacking adequate foundation maintenance, 
        erosion protection, or anchoring are likely to have suffered 
        the greatest losses.

   Escalating and unpredictable costs. Emergency repairs, spill 
        responses, and replacement parts are several times more 
        expensive than scheduled maintenance, particularly in fly-in 
        communities where every repair requires specialized personnel 
        and chartered transport. Small utilities with minimal cash 
        reserves must often defer maintenance or seek emergency aid, 
        perpetuating a costly cycle of crisis response.

    These examples demonstrate how the lack of dedicated O&M support 
directly increases the likelihood of environmental contamination, fuel 
supply disruption, and economic hardship. Moreover, strategic 
investment in rural fuel systems is essential--not only for local 
safety and stability, but also to ensure military and federal emergency 
assets remain available for their designated missions, rather than 
repeated disaster response, as the Typhoon Halong situation 
illustrates. For communities already facing high energy costs and 
limited local capacity, even a single spill or extended outage can have 
cascading impacts on public health, subsistence resources, and 
community stability.
    Sustained O&M investment, whether through dedicated funding 
mechanisms, regional aggregation strategies, or future performance-
based pilot programs, is essential to shift rural Alaska's bulk fuel 
infrastructure from reactive repairs to proactive, long-term 
stewardship.
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Lisa Murkowski to 
                          Dr. Anna Maria Ortiz
    Question 1. In GAO's report from May 8, 2025, titled, DOE Loan 
Programs: Actions Needed to Address Authority and Improve Application 
Reviews, GAO found that LPO internal application review guidance is 
``at times contradictory or unclear.'' In one instance, GAO found that 
``TEFP guidance calls for the drafting of a technical viability memo by 
the evaluating engineer to document the results of LPO's technical 
viability evaluation.'' However, LPO staff interviewed by GAO revealed 
they did not create those memos. In other cases, GAO found that when 
asking LPO officials to clarify their application review procedures, 
``their statements contradicted written procedure, practice, or other 
statements from LPO officials.'' Can you share how contradictory and 
unclear internal program guidance may contribute to potential 
applicants' disinterest in applying for a loan or loan guarantee from 
LPO?
    Answer. As we have previously reported, Tribes can have limited 
staffing and administrative capacity, which makes it challenging for 
them to identify and apply for federal funding. Administrative burdens, 
such as application requirements, can strain Tribes' staffing capacity. 
\1\ Unclear guidance can contribute to these burdens.
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    \1\ GAO, Tribal Issues: Barriers to Access to Federal Assistance, 
GAO-25-107674 (Washington, D.C.: Dec. 3, 2024).
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    We have found that unclear guidance about the Department of 
Energy's (DOE) Tribal Energy Financing Program (TEFP) can cause 
confusion for Tribes, creating barriers for Tribes and limiting their 
ability to access federal funding for energy projects. \2\ For example, 
one tribal applicant reported being told by DOE Loan Programs Office 
(LPO) officials that the TEFP would cover 100 percent of its project's 
costs. \3\ Later, the applicant was told the loan would only cover 80 
percent, and it had to quickly get another loan to cover the equity 
difference. The applicant said the lack of clear requirements made 
applying to the program challenging. Another applicant reported that 
each time it met with LPO, the office introduced additional financing 
conditions--sometimes as many as 50 conditions simultaneously--
requiring the applicant to spend additional time and money on its 
application. A third applicant reported that conflicting guidance about 
its project's eligibility caused delays that derailed its application 
before it entered the program.

    \2\ GAO, Tribal Energy Finance: Changes to DOE Loan Program Would 
Reduce Barriers for Tribes, GAO-25-107441 (Washington, D.C.: Aug. 11, 
2025.) Related testimony: GAO, Tribal Energy Finance: DOE Actions 
Needed to Reduce Barriers for Tribes. GAO-25-108720 (Sept. 10, 2025).
    \3\ As part of a November 2025 reorganization, DOE renamed LPO to 
the Office of Energy Dominance Financing. For consistency with our 
hearing statement, we use LPO to refer to the office.
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    Question 2. In your testimony, you noted that many of the 
challenges LPO faces with lack of Tribal expertise are strong points at 
the Office of Indian Energy Policy and Programs. If the TEFP were to be 
housed at DOE-IE, what new challenges do you anticipate and what 
recommendations would you make to address capacity?
    Answer. We have not analyzed the capacity of DOE's Office of Indian 
Energy Policy and Programs (IE) to house TEFP, or the potential 
benefits or challenges of such a change. However, we offer the 
following insights beyond the scope of our review of the TEFP:
    IE and TEFP have similar goals of supporting development of tribal 
energy projects:

   IE is charged with promoting Indian energy development, 
        reducing energy costs and improving electrification on tribal 
        lands. It administers grant funding and provides technical 
        assistance to federally recognized Tribes, including Alaska 
        Native villages, and other eligible tribal entities to support 
        tribal energy development needs.

   TEFP supports federally recognized Indian Tribes or tribal 
        energy development organizations that develop energy resources, 
        products, or services using commercial technology.

    However, IE and LPO generally provide different types of funding 
for projects of different sizes with little overlap in project needs, 
according to IE officials. IE provides grant funding for smaller-scale 
projects that address Tribes' electrical needs, and awards range from 
$100,000 to $5 million, according to DOE documents. In contrast, LPO 
finances larger utility scale projects that provide Tribes with 
economic development opportunities, and the median loan request for the 
program is $108 million, according our TEFP review. Therefore, while IE 
has significant experience working with Tribes on their energy 
projects, it has no experience with loans or loan guarantees and has 
limited expertise to provide technical assistance on the larger 
projects that TEFP currently targets, according to IE officials.
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    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Brian Schatz to 
                          Dr. Anna Maria Ortiz
    Question 1. GAO reported that the Department of Energy's Loan 
Program Office (LPO) allocates time from shared staff from other DOE 
offices to administer the Tribal Energy Loan Guarantee Program (TELGP), 
and that these staff often do not have experience or expertise in 
Tribal energy finance. Please describe how this is increasing LPO's 
challenge of timely processing applications and any impact on the 
Program's effectiveness, particularly for Tribal applicants who seek to 
finance commercial-scale projects.
    Answer. Without adequate experienced staff, LPO could continue to 
face challenges effectively processing Tribes' applications, according 
to LPO officials and staff. This can increase application review times 
and require greater use of outside consultants to fill knowledge gaps, 
which can increase costs for Tribal applicants.
    For example, LPO staff who review Tribal Energy Financing Program 
(TEFP) applications are shared with other LPO loan programs and may 
prioritize review of these programs' applications, which can prolong 
TEFP review times. \1\ One tribal applicant reported that it 
experienced LPO resources being taken away from its application and 
that LPO officials told it that they were unlikely to prioritize the 
project for staffing because the project was small and LPO staff 
resources were limited. Tribal projects submitted for TEFP can be 
smaller than those submitted to other LPO programs. Specifically, we 
reported that the average loan requested for projects that completed 
financial close for LPO's Title XVII Clean Energy Financing Program 
(Section 1703) was $1.9 billion. \2\ In contrast, the average loan 
request for TEFP was $820 million, according to our TEFP review. \3\
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    \1\ The Energy Policy Act of 2005 created the Tribal Energy Loan 
Guarantee Program (TELGP), which initially only provided loan 
guarantees. Pub. L. No. 109-58, tit. V,  503(a), 119 Stat. 594, 764-78 
(codified in relevant part as amended at 25 U.S.C.   3501, 3502(c)). 
The program was first funded in 2017, and in 2022 it was expanded to 
allow direct loans. DOE refers to the expanded program as the Tribal 
Energy Financing Program (TEFP).
    \2\ GAO, DOE Loan Programs: Actions Needed to Address Authority and 
Improve Application Reviews, GAO-25-106631 (Washington, D.C.: May 8, 
2025).
    \3\ As we reported in our TEFP review, the median loan request for 
TEFP was $108 million. Loan and loan guarantee requests ranged from 
$23.7 million for a solar project to $8.7 billion for an ammonia 
production facility. For more information on TEFP project sizes, see 
GAO-25-107441.
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    LPO staff's lack of experience with tribal applications can also 
slow application review and require greater use of outside consultants 
to fill knowledge gaps, which can increase costs for Tribes. For 
example, LPO staff reported that the legal nuances of developing 
projects on tribal lands and interconnection can take significant time 
for LPO to evaluate. Without adequate legal support for the program, 
LPO staff said it can take weeks or months to answer Tribes' legal 
questions. They said that having staff with experience with Tribes and 
tribal energy finance-particularly staff with experience in key tribal 
issues such as tribal project funding approaches and tribal land 
ownership types-can help with underwriting tribal energy projects. 
Program leadership said such expertise is best gained by having 
dedicated TEFP staff who develop knowledge and skills by routinely 
focusing on tribal applications. According to LPO officials and staff, 
without adequate experienced staff, LPO could continue to face 
challenges effectively processing Tribes' applications.

    Question 1a. Could the Office of Indian Energy enter into an MOU 
(or other official arrangement) with LPO to dedicate shared staff for 
the Tribal Energy Finance Program to address the lack of Tribal 
expertise, as mentioned in your report and testimony?
    Answer. We have not analyzed IE's capacity to enter into a 
Memorandum of Understanding or other official arrangement with LPO to 
dedicate shared staff to TEFP, nor have we analyzed the potential 
benefits or challenges of such a change. However, we offer the 
following insights beyond the scope of our review of TEFP:
    As noted above, IE has similar goals to LPO; however, IE and LPO 
provide different types of funding to different types of projects with 
little overlap in project needs, according to IE officials. IE provides 
grant funding for smaller-scale projects that address Tribes' 
electrical needs, with awards ranging from $100,000 to $5 million, 
according to DOE documents. In contrast, LPO finances larger utility-
scale projects that provide Tribes with economic development 
opportunities, and the median loan request for the program is $108 
million, according our TEFP review. IE has no experience with loans or 
loan guarantees and has limited expertise to provide technical 
assistance on projects of the scale that TEFP targets, according to IE 
officials.

    Question 2. GAO reported that recent presidential actions have 
impacted LPO's overall staffing levels, which are ``likely to affect 
the availability of dedicated staff with expertise to work on Tribal 
applications.'' Will the LPO be able to effectively provide technical 
assistance and process applications with reduced staff, even from those 
without cultural competence or experience in Tribal energy finance?
    Answer. Because the staffing reductions at LPO came after we 
completed the audit work for our review of TEFP, we did not analyze the 
effect of staff reductions on the program. However, before these 
reductions, we found that LPO had few designated staff with tribal 
experience to review TEFP applications. We recommended that LPO 
consistently maintain designated staff in each division reviewing TEFP 
applications and provide additional training to build tribal competence 
and knowledge of tribal energy finance.
    Until LPO implements our recommendation, it cannot ensure TEFP 
applications are processed by staff with the needed cultural competence 
and expertise in tribal energy finance. Without such staff to work with 
them, Tribes may continue to have limited trust in LPO and experience 
increased challenges navigating the program. This can jeopardize 
Tribes' ability to secure funding for energy projects that could 
provide them important economic development opportunities.

    Question 2a. Will the reduced number of staff result in delays or 
fewer applications being processed?
    Answer. Because the staffing reductions at LPO came after we 
completed the audit work for our review of TEFP, we did not analyze the 
effects of reduced staff on the program. However, before the staff 
reductions, we found that the long application review timeline was a 
pain point for applicants. We also reported that cultural competence 
and expertise in tribal energy finance is critical for timely review of 
applications. Unless LPO consistently maintains designated staff with 
the appropriate knowledge and training to review TEFP applications, it 
cannot ensure TEFP applications are processed by staff with the needed 
expertise.

    Question 2b. How many FTEs does the LPO need to support origination 
and monitoring of new loans without the availability of the $75 million 
credit subsidy that was rescinded in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act?
    Answer. Because Public Law 119-21-commonly known as the One Big 
Beautiful Bill Act--was enacted after we completed the audit work for 
our review of TEFP, we did not analyze the act's effect on the program 
or its staffing needs. \4\
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    \4\ An Act To provide for reconciliation pursuant to title II of H. 
Con. Res. 14, Pub. L. No. 119-21, 139 Stat. 72 (2025).
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    In our August 2025 review of TEFP, we reported that, as of May 
2025, LPO had designated 12 of its 274 federal staff positions to focus 
primarily on TEFP or to work for the program on a recurring basis but 
had not consistently filled those positions. We also reported that as a 
result of recent presidential actions, LPO was undergoing significant 
changes to its overall staffing levels, which likely would affect the 
availability of dedicated staff with expertise to work on tribal 
applications. Specifically, as of July 18, 2025, 110 LPO employees had 
elected to resign on a deferred basis and were on administrative leave 
until their resignation or retirement date, and 43 additional positions 
were vacant, according to DOE officials. We followed up with DOE 
officials in September 2025, and they confirmed these numbers remained 
the same.
    Changes to program design (e.g., conducting due diligence in-house 
or streamlining the application process) and in the number and 
complexity of TEFP applications can affect the number of staff LPO 
needs to originate and monitor new loans.

    Question 3. GAO reported that the Department of Energy received 20 
total Tribal Energy Finance Program applications for direct loans and 
loan guarantees. How many applications were in each category?
    Answer. Of the 20 applications DOE received, 16 were for direct 
loans and four were for loan guarantees.

    Question 3a. What was the range and average of the direct loans 
requested?
    Answer. The 16 direct loan requests ranged from $24 million to $8.7 
billion. The average request was for about $914 million.

    Question 3b. What was the range and average of the loan guarantees 
requested?
    Answer. The four loan guarantee requests ranged from $61 million to 
$115 million. The average request was for about $88 million.

    Question 4. You testified that due diligence costs are a 
``significant'' financial barrier that keeps Tribes from participating 
in the TELGP/Tribal Energy Finance Program. How can the Department of 
Energy help reduce due diligence costs?
    Answer. In our review of TEFP, we found that DOE was taking some 
steps that could reduce due diligence costs. However, these actions 
were still under development at the time of our review and their 
current status is uncertain:

   DOE planned to apply $5 million in technical assistance 
        funding to help tribal applicants develop their application 
        materials before the due diligence phase. DOE officials told us 
        this could help reduce overall application preparation costs 
        for tribal applicants, which would help offset the amount of 
        due diligence work needed and associated costs charged to 
        tribal applicants.

   LPO was developing a public finance application pathway for 
        evaluating lower-risk projects, which it hoped would reduce the 
        length of LPO's review process and due diligence fees charged 
        to the applicant. LPO's typical application review pathway 
        assumes a riskier corporate finance project structure, which 
        requires more due diligence. In contrast, the public finance 
        pathway would support lower-risk projects--such as those that 
        are smaller scale or use established technologies--that are 
        backed by a Tribe's government. Implementing a second 
        application review pathway for Tribes could require less 
        overall due diligence (thus lowering fees and expenses) and 
        reduce application timeframes, according to LPO officials.

    Question 4a. Could the Department of Energy complete due diligence 
``in-house'' for program applicants? Does Congress need to act or can 
the Department of Energy act administratively? Is there an approximate 
cost for doing so?
    Answer. We have not analyzed the capacity and cost for DOE to 
complete due diligence in-house for TEFP. In our review of TEFP, we 
recommended that LPO continue to develop and implement options to 
revise its TEFP due diligence review process to reduce or eliminate 
related fees. These options could include providing in-house 
underwriting.
    At the time of our audit, LPO was exploring options to reduce or 
eliminate due diligence fees, but these actions were still being 
developed. Such an effort is expected to include determining LPO's 
capacity in terms of expertise and legal authority.

    Question 5. Did the One Big Beautiful Bill Act impact the 
Department of Energy's $20 billion TELGP/Tribal Energy Finance Program 
loan authority or its ability to guarantee up to 100 percent of those 
loans?
    Answer. In the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, Congress rescinded the 
unobligated balance of TEFP's Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) 
appropriations. \5\ As a result, the program has appropriations for 
credit subsidy costs, if any remain unobligated, of $10.5 million--$8.5 
million in pre-IRA appropriations and $2 million in post-IRA 
appropriations. \6\
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    \5\ An Act to provide for reconciliation pursuant to title II of H. 
Con. Res. 14, Pub. L. No. 119-21, tit. V, subtit. D,  50402(b), 139 
Stat. 72, 152 (2025). Congress in the IRA had appropriated $75 million 
for credit subsidy and to administer TEFP. An Act To provide for 
reconciliation pursuant to Title II of S. Con. Res. 14, Pub. L. No. 
117-169,  50145(a), 136 Stat.1818, 2045-46 (2022). In GAO-25-107441, 
we did not assess the effects on the program of this rescission of 
unobligated funds.
    \6\ Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2017, Pub. L. No. 115-31, 131 
Stat. 135, 313; Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023, Pub. L. No. 117-
328, 136 Stat. 4459, 4637 (2022). This total excludes appropriations 
for administrative expenses.
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    The One Big Beautiful Bill Act did not amend DOE's $20 billion in 
loan authority. DOE had $19.9 billion in remaining loan authority as of 
September 2025, according to DOE officials. \7\ According to LPO 
officials, information submitted in support of the President's fiscal 
year 2025 budget request estimated that from fiscal year 2029 through 
2030, $10.5 million of appropriated credit subsidy funding would 
support the use of loan authority totaling $4.4 billion. However, the 
specific amount of loan authority DOE uses will vary based on factors 
such as the total dollar amount and risk of loans DOE makes.
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    \7\ Loan authority is the statutory limit to the total outstanding 
amount of loans and loan guarantees LPO may issue for a program for a 
given period.
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    The One Big Beautiful Bill Act did not change DOE's authority to 
guarantee up to 100 percent of loans. \8\

    \8\ Prior to the IRA's enactment, DOE was authorized to guarantee 
no more than 90 percent of the unpaid principal and interest due on any 
loan under TEFP. See 25 U.S.C.  3502(c)(1) (2021). This restriction 
was eliminated by the IRA. Pub. L. No. 117-169,  50145(b)(1), 136 
Stat. at 2045-46. The One Big Beautiful Bill Act did not amend this 
provision or reinstate the restriction. See generally, Pub. L. No. 119-
21, 139 Stat. 72.
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    Question 6. What is the status of the 20 applications after the 
TELGP's $75 million in unobligated credit subsidies was rescinded by 
the One Big Beautiful Bill Act? Are they active? Inactive? Withdrawn? 
Paused? Some other status?
    Answer. We previously reported that as of February 2025, DOE had 
closed one loan guarantee, seven applications were active, and 12 were 
inactive. \9\ Five of the 12 inactive projects were withdrawn, 
according to DOE's February 2025 data. We followed up with DOE in 
September 2025 and officials confirmed that the status of the existing 
applications remained the same and that they had not received any new 
applications.
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    \9\ GAO-25-107441.

    Question 7. What are the immediate and potential long-term impacts 
of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act to the TELGP or the Tribal Energy 
Finance Program?
    Answer. Because we completed the audit work for our review of TEFP 
before the One Big Beautiful Bill Act was enacted, we have not fully 
analyzed the effects of the legislation on the program. As discussed 
above, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act did not change the program's loan 
authority of $20 billion.
    However, as stated above, the act rescinded the unobligated balance 
of IRA appropriations. As a result, the program has only the remaining 
balances from the $10.5 million in appropriations for subsidy costs 
from other acts. The act also changes the availability of tax credits--
including by restricting a credit for investment into certain renewable 
projects to those placed in service by December 31, 2027--which could 
affect Tribes' ability to develop renewable projects. \10\ However, we 
did not analyze the impacts of these provisions in our review of TEFP.
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    \10\ See, e.g., Pub. L. No. 119-21, tit. VII, subtit. A,  
70513(a), (g)(3), 139 Stat. at 270-73 (codified in relevant part at 26 
U.S.C.  48E(e)(4), 48 note).

    Question 8. Does the TELGP need new statutory authorizations, 
additional continuing appropriations, or other authorities to issue new 
loan guarantees following enactment of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act?
    Answer. We have not analyzed the need for additional statutory 
authorizations and appropriations for TEFP. However, DOE is still 
authorized to issue loan guarantees and direct loans, consistent with 
applicable law and available appropriations.
    As stated above, the act reduced the appropriations available for 
loan subsidies, leaving the remaining balances from $10.5 million in 
non-IRA cost subsidy appropriations, but did not change the program's 
loan authority of $20 billion. According to LPO, information submitted 
in support of the President's fiscal year 2025 budget request estimated 
that in fiscal years 2029 and 2030, $10.5 million of appropriated 
credit subsidy funding would support the use of loan authority totaling 
$4.4 billion. However, the specific amount of loan authority DOE can 
use will vary based on factors such as the total dollar amount and risk 
associated with the loans it makes.

    Question 9. What are some best practices that the U.S. Department 
of Agriculture implements in vetting its public financing loans and 
loan guarantees that are not currently used by the LPO, and how could 
adopting these practices improve access to financing for Tribal energy 
projects?
    Answer. According to officials from the U.S. Department of 
Agriculture (USDA), USDA federal loan and loan guarantee programs that 
issue loans to tribal applicants complete underwriting in-house and 
have limited or no additional due diligence fees.
    In contrast, as we discuss in our report on TEFP, DOE requires TEFP 
applicants to pay for external consultants whom DOE may engage for its 
due diligence. The resulting level and unpredictability of due 
diligence costs discourages Tribes from applying to TEFP, according to 
potential participants and stakeholders we interviewed for our August 
2025 review of the program. One Tribe that decided not to apply to the 
program noted that the costs could translate into millions of dollars, 
making it difficult for Tribes to plan. Another tribal applicant with 
previous experience seeking energy financing noted that the expected 
due diligence costs under TEFP were double what it would expect from 
other financing sources for its proposed energy project. This Tribe 
told us it likely would withdraw its TEFP application in part because 
of the high application costs.
    Another important practice USDA officials identified is to have 
trained staff in the field who have experience working with Tribes and 
understand how to conduct underwriting that is appropriate for tribal 
finances. During our review of TEFP, LPO officials told us that having 
staff with experience with Tribes and tribal energy finance--
particularly staff with experience in key tribal issues such as tribal 
funding approaches and types of tribal land--is beneficial for 
underwriting tribal energy projects. Program leadership said such 
expertise is best gained by having dedicated TEFP staff who develop 
knowledge and skills by routinely focusing on tribal applications.

    Question 10. To the extent possible, please provide answers to the 
following questions related to GAO-25-107441. How many DOE employees 
are designated to support the review and processing of Tribal Energy 
Finance Program applications?
    Answer. We reported that as of May 2025, LPO had designated 12 of 
its 274 federal staff positions to focus primarily on TEFP or to work 
for the program on a recurring basis but had not consistently filled 
those positions. We also reported that as of July 18, 2025, 110 
employees had elected to resign on a deferred basis and were on 
administrative leave until their resignation or retirement date, while 
43 additional positions were vacant. When we followed up with DOE 
officials in September 2025, they confirmed LPO's unfilled positions 
remained the same. However, it is unclear how many of TEFP's designated 
staff remain at the agency.

    Question 10a. How many of these employees are FTEs?
    Answer. Because a significant portion of the staff designated for 
TEFP are shared with other programs and LPO's practice is to assign 
staff to projects based on availability, GAO did not analyze the number 
of FTEs assigned to TEFP.

    Question 10b. How many of these positions are vacant?
    Answer. As of May 2025, seven of LPO's 12 designated TEFP staff 
positions were vacant. As noted above, LPO is undergoing significant 
changes to its overall staffing levels, and it is unclear how many of 
TEFP's designated staff remain at the agency.

    Question 10c. How many of these positions are solely dedicated to 
the Tribal Energy Finance Program?
    Answer. As of May 2025, LPO's two outreach positions were staffed 
to work solely with TEFP. As noted above, LPO is undergoing significant 
changes to its overall staffing levels, and it is unclear how many of 
TEFP's designated staff remain at the agency.

    Question 10d. How many are dedicating part of their time to other 
LPO matters?
    Answer. As of May 2025, LPO had 10 staff positions that dedicated 
part of their time to TEFP in addition to other programs. As noted 
above, LPO is undergoing significant changes to its overall staffing 
levels, and it is unclear how many of TEFP's designated staff remain at 
the agency.

    Question 10e. How many of these employees have expertise working in 
public finance and with Tribal governments?
    Answer. We reported that LPO's outreach staff for TEFP are hired 
for their tribal cultural competency and receive in-house training on 
energy projects and finance. LPO has provided its staff with general 
training about working with Tribes and recently began providing some 
staff with more specific training that addresses topics such as 
awareness of tribal law and government procedures. However, we did not 
gather data on how many of LPO's employees have expertise working in 
public finance and with tribal governments.

    Question 11. GAO reported that LPO has difficulty administering the 
TELGP/Tribal Energy Finance Program effectively, citing several factors 
including lack of culturally competent staff and expertise in Tribal 
energy finance. Would the Program be more effective if housed under 
OIEPP?
    Answer. We have not analyzed the capacity of DOE's Office of Indian 
Energy Policy and Programs (IE) to house TEFP, or the potential 
benefits or challenges of such a change. However, we offer the 
following insights beyond the scope of our review of TEFP:

    IE and LPO's TEFP have similar goals of supporting development of 
tribal energy projects:

   IE is charged with promoting Indian energy development, 
        reducing energy costs and improving electrification on tribal 
        lands. It administers grant funding and provides technical 
        assistance to federally recognized Tribes, including Alaska 
        Native villages, and other eligible tribal entities to support 
        tribal energy development needs.

   TEFP supports federally recognized Indian Tribes or tribal 
        energy development organizations that develop energy resources, 
        products, or services using commercial technology.

    However, IE and LPO generally provide different types of funding 
for projects of different sizes with little overlap in project needs, 
according to IE officials. IE provides grant funding for smaller scale 
projects that address Tribes' electrical needs, and awards range from 
$100,000 to $5 million, according to DOE documents. In contrast, LPO 
finances larger utility-scale projects that provide Tribes with 
economic development opportunities, and the median loan request for the 
program is $108 million, according to our TEFP review. Therefore, while 
IE has significant experience working with Tribes on their energy 
projects, it has no experience with loans or loan guarantees and has 
limited expertise to provide technical assistance on the larger 
projects that TEFP currently targets, according to IE officials.

    Question 12. What are the statutory maximums or minimums, if any, 
on Tribal Energy Finance Program application loan amount? Are there 
other statutory requirements that would limit the size or type of loan 
under the Program?
    Answer. In our report on TEFP, we did not identify any statutory 
maximums or minimums on individual TEFP loan amounts. However, by 
statute, Tribes are required to pay at least 20 percent of total 
project costs as equity for loan guarantees, and this requirement 
extends to direct loans. \11\ The equity requirement means that for a 
$100 million energy project, a tribal applicant would need to cover at 
least $20 million of total project costs.

    \11\ By statute, DOE must make all loan guarantees in accordance 
with section 1702 of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, as amended, 
including that, unless otherwise provided by law, no loan guarantee 
shall exceed 80 percent of the project costs of the facility that is 
subject to the guarantee, as estimated at the time the guarantee is 
issued. 42 U.S.C.  16512(a), (c).
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    Question 13. Does LPO have statutory or regulatory authority to 
establish investment caps or limits on TELGP/Tribal Energy Finance 
Program applications?
    Answer. Our report on TEFP did not include a detailed analysis of 
whether LPO has statutory or regulatory authorities to establish 
investment caps or limits on applications to the program. However, as 
stated above, by statute, the program has a loan authority of $20 
billion and Tribes are required to pay at least 20 percent of total 
project costs as equity for loan guarantees, and this requirement 
extends to direct loans.
    Our analysis of applications to TEFP showed that tribal applicants 
submitted applications for a broad range of amounts and corresponding 
total project costs (i.e., the loan request plus equity paid by 
Tribes). Loan and loan guarantee requests ranged from $23.7 million for 
a solar project, with a total project cost of $29.6 million, to $8.7 
billion for an ammonia production facility, with a total project cost 
of $12.1 billion.
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Lisa Murkowski to 
                              David Conrad
    Question 1. You stated to the Committee that DOE-IE continues to 
manage and support the Indian Country Energy and Infrastructure Working 
Group (ICEIWG) with internal DOE-IE resources. When is the next 
scheduled ICEIWG meeting? Please provide DOE-IE's plan for the ICEIWG 
platform in this administration.
    Answer. DOE recognizes ICEIWG as a trusted forum that provides 
invaluable on-the-ground perspectives from Tribes regarding their 
priorities, identification of challenges, and collaboration with DOE on 
advancing energy development and infrastructure. DOE-IE is currently 
planning the second ICEIWG meeting of 2025. We anticipate holding the 
second meeting in the coming months. IE will continue to host ICEIWG 
meetings and work with members and DOE leadership to collaborate to 
advance reliable, affordable, and secure American energy.

    Question 2. Does DOE-IE plan to hold an in-person grantee convening 
next year?
    Answer. IE's program review is an important event for sharing 
knowledge and successes between IE's grantees, IE staff, as well as the 
broader Tribal energy community. IE has not begun planning the 2026 
program review but will work to ensure it is both impactful and cost-
effective.

    Question 3. Are Tribally Designated Housing Entities (TDHEs) 
eligible for technical assistance from the DOE-IE Office? If not, is 
this something that can be addressed administratively at DOE or is 
legislation necessary?
    Answer. Many, but not all TDHE's are eligible for IE technical 
assistance (TA).
    TDHEs, as defined in 25 U.S.C.  4103, include nonprofit entities 
authorized to receive federal funds for the development or improvement 
of low-income housing, and can be authorized or established by both 
federally recognized Tribes and State recognized Tribes. As provided 
under 25 U.S.C.  3502(b) (and the controlling definition of ``Indian 
tribe'' at  3501(4)), the Office of Indian Energy is only able to 
serve TDHEs authorized by federally recognized Tribes. Furthermore, the 
TDHE would need to be seeking to carry out energy-related activities 
within the TA services offered to take advantage of IE's TA.

    Question 4. GAO testified that Tribal expertise is not a strength 
of the Loan Programs Office (LPO), but it is a strength of the DOE-IE. 
GAO also described what it characterized as ``the mismatch between 
Tribal Energy Financing Program (TEFP) and the other financing programs 
housed at LPO. What resources, expertise, staff capacity and 
authorities would be needed for DOE-IE to take over the TEFP from LPO?
    Answer. DOE understands the importance of the TEFP to Tribal 
economies and to SCIA. DOE would like to develop a well-researched 
proposal on how best to structure joint efforts between LPO and IE in 
partnership toward the common goal to maximize the accessibility and 
impact of the TEFP, drawing upon the core capabilities and unique 
strengths of each office. The proposal will include respective roles 
for IE and LPO in program design, implementation, and evaluation.

    Question 5. In DOE's response to the GAO Report, Tribal Energy 
Finance: Changes to DOE Loan Program Would Reduce Barriers for Tribes, 
the agency stated that LPO would continue developing and testing the 
public finance application pathway for lower-risk Tribal energy 
projects. What steps does LPO plan to take to develop and test this 
pathway in this administration? Please provide a timeline for 
implementation of this pathway.
    Answer. The Department is continuing to conduct a department-wide 
review to ensure all activities follow the law, comply with applicable 
court orders and align with the Trump administration's priorities and 
ensure the responsible stewardship of American taxpayer dollars. The 
Department of Energy is hard at work to deliver on President Trump's 
promise to restore affordable, reliable, and secure energy for the 
entire Nation.

    Question 6. GAO testified that DOE has $10.5 million available to 
support credit subsidy costs for the Tribal Energy Financing Program. 
Can you confirm that this is accurate, and that project applications 
continue to be reviewed under TEFP?
    Answer. LPO confirms that $10.5 million is available to support 
credit subsidy costs.
    Project applications continue to be reviewed under TEFP.

    Question 7. How many outreach employees at LPO are solely dedicated 
to TEFP? How many underwriting employees are solely dedicated to TEFP? 
How many full time FTE positions dedicated to TEFP are filled, and how 
many are vacant? Are there any active plans to fill the vacant 
positions? In the meantime, how is LPO filling the gaps?
    Answer. LPO is not structured around individual loan programs. 
Instead, LPO is structured around technologies with vertically 
integrated teams focused on the Administration's priorities. These 
technology-based teams work with applicants to determine which loan 
program is the best fit for the proposed project (e.g., Title 17, 
Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing, Tribal Energy Financing 
Program). Each integrated team includes staff with expertise in 
outreach and business development, underwriting and structuring, 
technical and environmental, and Portfolio Management. Team members are 
assigned to applications and loans as they move through the application 
process.
    In addition to the technology-based teams, LPO recognizes the 
specific nature of tribal projects and outreach. Therefore, LPO has a 
dedicated tribal outreach team. The tribal outreach team currently 
includes one Federal staff and four contractors. The tribal outreach 
team works closely with the appropriate technology-based teams on 
individual tribal financing applications.
    LPO continuously evaluates its staffing needs across its divisions 
and technology teams. LPO will ensure designated staff for TEFP 
applications, within the current resources available to LPO under 
current Executive Orders, budget authority, and OPM and DOE guidance on 
staffing.
    LPO includes additional training to build Tribal competence and 
knowledge of Tribal energy finance as part of the annual assessment of 
its staff training needs.

    Question 8. How is the DOE's Navigator Service similar to or 
different from the technical assistance staff IE maintains?
    Answer. Many Tribes are capacity-constrained and have multiple 
priority issues competing for their attention including but not limited 
to energy issues. The Office of Indian Energy Tribal Energy Navigator 
service responds to inquiries from Tribes and Tribal entities to reduce 
administrative burden and facilitate more efficient access to DOE and 
other federal energy programs available to them. The Tribal Energy 
Navigator, an IE staff service, provides human interaction which is 
often a preferred method of communication with Tribes especially within 
a large bureaucracy. Relative to IE's Navigation service, IE's TA 
program is technical in nature. IE's TA program helps advance energy 
projects and energy commerce with expert support, through IE staff, 
national labs and partners at the Department of Commerce, the Denali 
Commission, and the Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium. Each TA 
project is no-cost to the Tribe and culminates in a specific 
deliverable to inform the next steps in energy development. Common 
types of TA include:

   Community-wide strategic energy planning: Inform vision and 
        goals. The process uses facilitators, who are experienced in 
        Indian Country, to help Tribal communities clarify their energy 
        vision. This is a recommended starting point for many Tribes 
        before they pursue analysis and funding of energy projects.

   Energy audits of buildings and facilities: Assess 
        performance, quantify usage and identify cost savings 
        opportunities.

   Resource assessments: Quantify energy resources in line with 
        Tribal priorities.

   Energy project planning: Modeling, economic analysis, third 
        party independent reviews of energy project documents.

   Energy governance development: Energy code development, 
        utility formation pre-feasibility assessments.

   Enabling a competitive business environment: Legal 
        frameworks to enhance energy sector commerce.

    Question 8. Are there any limitations to the resources the 
Navigator Service connects Tribes and Tribal Energy Development 
Organizations (TEDOs) to? For example, would the Navigator Service be 
able to connect an interested Tribe with staff at LPO?
    Answer. IE's Navigator identifies potential matches between a 
Tribe's energy objectives and federal resources and provides referrals 
to technical and financial assistance (TA and FA respectively) programs 
across DOE, including IE and LPO. Yes--they have been connecting Tribes 
to LPO. TEFP is a resource on BIA's Access to Capital Clearinghouse

    Question 9. In your written testimony you mention the growing 
relationship between the Office of Indian Energy and the Arctic Energy 
Office (AEO), noting the engagement role the AEO is playing in 
connecting Alaska Native Corporations with the resources available at 
the Department. Please share examples of the type of collaboration IE 
has had with the AEO in getting communities the resources they need to 
develop their energy resources and reduce the cost per kilowatt hour to 
Alaskan ratepayers. I would especially appreciate examples referencing 
ongoing projects.
    Answer. IE has had significant impacts on energy affordability, 
accessibility, and reliability in Alaska, having supported 74 projects 
across the state with a combined energy savings of $168 million over 
the life of the projects. These savings were the result of $54 million 
in federal investment. IE also has a strong record of ensuring Alaska 
Native entities have comparable accessibility to the Office's programs; 
since 2010, approximately 28 percent of IE deployment funding and 
approximately 42 percent of all IE technical assistance has gone to 
Alaska.
    Access to IE programs is heightened by key partnerships, including 
regular collaboration with the Arctic Energy Office (AE). Below are 
ongoing examples:

   IE and AE leadership meet monthly to coordinate amongst the 
        Offices.

   Staff from IE's technical assistance program participate in 
        monthly Arctic Energy Ambassador calls, hosted by AE, to share 
        updates on IE's technical assistance program and boost access 
        to the program across Alaska. In turn, Arctic Energy 
        Ambassadors share the latest needs and trends from Alaska.

   IE has supported several requests from Arctic Energy 
        Ambassadors, including a design review for a geothermal 
        project.

   IE and AE have co-located workspace in Anchorage to 
        facilitate local collaboration.

    Question 10. What are DOE's plans for the unobligated IRA Section 
50122 Tribal Home Electrification and Appliance Rebate funding?
    Answer. The Department is conducting a department-wide review to 
ensure all activities follow the law, comply with applicable court 
orders, align with the Trump administration's priorities, and ensure 
the responsible stewardship of American taxpayer dollars. The American 
people provided President Trump with a mandate to govern and to unleash 
`American Energy Dominance.' The Department of Energy is hard at work 
to deliver on President Trump's promise to restore affordable, 
reliable, and secure energy to the entire nation.

    Question 11. Through conversations with former administrative 
staff, we have heard many positive things about the collaborative 
approach IE takes to addressing community energy and natural resources 
needs. One particularly strong example included working with the 
Department of the Interior's (DOI) Division of Energy and Mineral 
Development (DEMD). How have Tribes/TEDOs utilized both DEMD and IE in 
order to achieve their energy goals?
    Answer. IE and the U.S. Department of the Interior (DOI), Division 
of Energy and Mineral Development (DEMD) each have complementary 
functions that benefit Tribal Nations and Alaska Native Villages 
throughout the energy development and deployment process.
    Two distinctions between the two programs are as follows:

   IE conducts TA through access to the DOE national labs and 
        more recently the Department of Commerce. This TA, provided at 
        no-cost to Tribes and Tribal entities, is useful for early 
        analysis to help inform the development of energy projects and 
        frameworks to enable energy sector commerce.

   DEMD's financial assistance has focused more resources on 
        project development (pre-construction activities) whereas IE's 
        financial assistance has focused more resources on deployment 
        (construction activities). IE has also funded pre-construction 
        activities although less frequently than DEMD.

    Tribes have often staggered IE and DEMD resources to advance 
projects along the development pipeline. The most common path begins 
with IE no-cost TA, followed by DEMD project development resources, 
followed by IE competitive financial assistance to deploy the project. 
However, there are also many examples where a Tribe or Alaska Native 
Village will approach DEMD first for services and then apply for a 
competitive grant under IE financial assistance.
    In addition to offering complementary resources, IE and DEMD staff 
coordinate and support each other as competitive grant application 
reviewers to maximize the use of their specialized expertise and ensure 
the projects are poised for success once selected for negotiation and 
awards.
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    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Brian Schatz to 
                              David Conrad
    Question 1. On average, how many grant applications does your 
office receive in a year?
    Answer. The number of applications received in any given years can 
be dependent on the nature of the announced funding opportunities. 
Between FY 2010-FY 2024, IE received less than 1000 applications.

    Question 2. On average, how many annual applications has your 
office been able to fund?
    Answer. Between FY 2010-FY 2024, IE announced about 260 awards.

    Question 3. Beginning in Fiscal Year 2022 and ending in Fiscal Year 
2025, please provide the number of applications for renewable energy 
development, including wind, solar, and battery storage your office 
received.

    Answer. The vast majority of applications IE received during this 
time period contained one or more of these technologies, in line with 
the FOA objectives at the time: wind, solar, battery storage, as well 
as microgrids which often include wind, solar, and battery 
technologies.

    Question 3a. To date, how many of these applications have been 
funded?
    Answer. 36 of these applications were awarded to date.

    Question 3b. To date, how many of these applications have been 
denied and on what basis?
    Answer. IE followed DOE's standard procedures for reviewing 
financial assistance applications. DOE did not make awards based on: 
applicant withdrawal, failure to meet eligibility requirements set 
forth in the FOA, failure to meet the compliance requirements set forth 
in the FOA, failure to meet the responsiveness criteria set forth in 
the FOA; insufficient technical merit based on application of technical 
review criteria set forth in the FOA; application of program policy 
factors set forth in the FOA; and available funding.

    Question 3c. To date, what is the status of pending applications?
    Answer. The American people provided President Trump with a mandate 
to govern and unleash `American Energy Dominance.' The Department is 
continuing to conduct a department-wide review and ensure all pending 
applications are in line with the administration's priorities to ensure 
a responsible stewardship of taxpayer dollars, while providing the most 
reliable and secure energy possible, that will lower costs.

    Question 3d. How many of these applications are still under review? 
Why?
    Answer. Applications received under DE-FOA-0003401 ``Tribal Energy 
Planning and Development'' valued at $25,000,000, are pending review. 
The FOA is under review by Department of Energy leadership to ensure 
compliance with Administration policies and priorities.

    Question 4. Does the OIEPP plan to support an all of the above 
energy strategy for Tribal projects in Fiscal Year 2026? Or will there 
be a preference for, or prohibition on, certain energy technologies?
    Answer. While the previous administration pursued a strategy of 
energy subtraction that raised costs and made our grids less reliable 
through funding intermittent energy sources, President Trump's 
administration is advancing a strategy of energy addition-utilizing 
taxpayer resources for energy that is affordable, reliable, and secure 
and will lower costs for the entire Nation.

    Question 4a. Assuming an all of the above approach, how many 
projects would your office be able to fund under the President's Budget 
Request for Fiscal Year 2026?
    Answer. The President's FY26 Budget request includes $30 million 
for IE financial assistance, out of $50 million total requested 
appropriations. If appropriated by Congress, this would allow IE to 
fund approximately 12 to 24 community scale energy projects.

    Question 5. For new grant applicants--are there certain types of 
projects that your office is prioritizing for funding?
    Answer. As Secretary Wright has mentioned, DOE will prioritize 
energy solutions based on people and math, with consideration for the 
local context and available resources and the fact that one of the 
problems we've made the least amount of progress on is affordable 
energy in remote communities. IE's decisions will continue to be guided 
by robust analysis aimed at enhancing energy reliability, security and 
affordability across Indian Country, where the impacts of unreliable 
and high-cost power are acutely felt. Energy resources or technologies 
which address these challenges given the unique circumstances of any 
particular Tribe are a priority for the Office.

    Question 5a. Are there certain types of projects that currently 
require additional rounds of agency scrutiny, review, or evaluation 
that were not implemented in previous years?
    Answer. Consistent with previous years, Department of Energy 
ensures compliance with Administration policies and priorities.

    Question 6. You testified that the Department is not delaying 
funding for wind, solar, or battery projects. For applications to use 
Fiscal Year 2025 funds for wind, solar, and battery projects, has this 
administration, DOGE, the Secretary, or any other person, persons, or 
office directed your office to re-review or evaluate applications for 
wind, solar, or battery projects that would be funded using Fiscal Year 
2025 or earlier appropriations?

    Question 6a. If yes, what are the criteria your office is using to 
re-review or evaluate those applications?
    Answer. The reliability and security of our power grid are 
critically threatened by inadequate and intermittent energy supplies, 
necessitating rapid and robust reforms. Without decisive intervention, 
the Nation's power grid will be unable to support Tribal energy needs 
nor expanded manufacturing, re-industrialization efforts, and the data 
centers needed to win the AI race.
    To clarify the testimony that was provided, any projects selected 
for award in prior years (including projects which use wind, solar, and 
battery technologies) are moving forward, including through 
negotiation, and grantees continue to receive funding under the terms 
of their awards.

    Question 7. You testified that your office's plan was approved this 
summer. Please provide a copy to the Committee.
    Answer. IE's FY 26 Budget Briefing to HEWD is attached to convey FY 
26 program priorities.

    Question 8. What is the current timeline for getting OIEPP's Fiscal 
Year 2025 funds out the door?
    Answer. As stated during testimony, IE is looking forward to 
applying FY 25 funds to a Notice of Funding Opportunity (NOFO) targeted 
for release in the coming months.
    Question 9. GAO's Dr. Ortiz testified that the Department has $10.5 
million available to use to support the Tribal Energy Loan Guarantee 
Program/Tribal Energy Finance Program. Please confer with the Loan 
Programs Office to provide the Committee with a reasonable 
approximation of the total loan value the available subsidy account 
could support. Assume, for the purposes of analysis, the average loan 
request is $100 million.
    Answer. The credit subsidy calculation is highly dependent on the 
characteristics and credit profile of the loan and underlying project. 
As illustration, LPO estimates that a reasonable credit subsidy rate 
range for TEFP could be approximately 5 to 20 percent, once again 
dependent on the attributes of a given project. Assuming this range, 
the current credit subsidy amount of $10.5 million could support 
between $52.5 million and $210 million in total loans or loan 
guarantees (or one to two projects assuming an average loan request of 
$100 million), out of the $19.9 billion available as loan commitment 
authority overall.

    Question 10. The last time the Department provided testimony to the 
Committee, I expressed concern that Tribes were being penalized for 
using multiple federal funding sources to stand up their energy 
projects based on a double benefit restriction in the Inflation 
Reduction Act (IRA). After enactment of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, 
does the Department agree with GAO that this ``double dipping'' 
restriction no longer applies?
    Answer. The Department agrees with GAO that the double benefit 
restriction no longer applies, as this restriction was tied to funds 
provided in the Inflation Reduction Act, which were rescinded by the 
One Big Beautiful Bill Act.

    Question 11. The One Big Beautiful Bill Act rescinded unobligated 
amounts of the $75 million Congress provided to subsize loan guarantees 
for the Tribal Energy Loan Guarantee Program. Please confer with the 
Loan Programs Office to answer the following questions:

    Question11a. How much unobligated IRA funding was rescinded to 
support the Tribal Energy Loan Guarantee Program/Tribal Energy Finance 
Program?
    Answer. The OBBBA rescinded all unobligated TEFP IRA balances. Of 
the $75 million provided for TEFP in the IRA, $70 million was rescinded 
by the OBBBA in 2025. Since OBBBA indefinitely rescinded TEFP IRA 
balances, in the event any obligated balances are recovered in future 
fiscal years, they will be subject to the rescission.

    Question 11b. How much non-IRA funding remains to support the 
Tribal Energy Loan Guarantee Program/Tribal Energy Finance Program?
    Answer. Available non-IRA funding resources are $19.9 billion in 
loan commitment authority and $10.5 million in credit subsidy 
appropriation. Non-IRA administrative funding available at the start of 
FY 2026 was $5.3 million.

    Question 11c. How many loans could these remaining funds guarantee, 
assuming an average loan amount of $100 million?
    Answer. As illustration, LPO estimates that a reasonable credit 
subsidy rate range for TEFP could be approximately 5 to 20 percent, 
once again dependent on the attributes of a given project. Assuming 
this range, the current credit subsidy amount of $10.5 million could 
support between $52.5 million and $210 million in total loans or loan 
guarantees (or one to two projects assuming an average loan request of 
$100 million).

    Question 12. What is the Department's reduction in force (RIF) plan 
with respect to OIEPP?
    Answer. DOE is not currently planning any RIFs.

    Question 13. Do the President's proposed reductions in Department 
staff that support OIEPP include staff that have already left the 
agency or do they include existing FTE positions that are currently 
filled?
    Answer. DOE is not currently planning any RIFs.

    Question 14. In a House Energy and Commerce hearing, Secretary 
Wright expressed his support for not rescinding unobligated balances of 
LPO's credit subsidy accounts. Please confer with the Loan Programs 
Office to answer the following questions:

    Question 14a. After the rescission of the Tribal loan guarantee 
subsidy account, what is the Department's plan to continue to support 
Tribal energy projects through the Tribal Energy Loan Guarantee 
Program/Tribal Energy Finance Program?
    Answer. The Tribal Energy Finance Program (TEFP) at the Loan 
Programs Office will continue to operate. TEFP is focused on supporting 
the White House's priorities while closely aligning with Tribes on 
expanding the use of Tribal energy resources.

    Question 14b. Will the Department allocate other funds to support 
current TELGP applicants?
    Answer. When the Administrative Budget is finalized, LPO will 
evaluate how much funding could be used for loan assistance for 
applicants. LPO will work with the Office of Indian Energy and other 
offices to determine if DOE grant funding could support TEFP applicants 
navigate the application and due diligence process.

    Question 14c. If yes, how much does the Department intend to 
allocate and from where?
    Answer. When the Administrative Budget is finalized, LPO will 
evaluate how much funding could be used for loan assistance for 
applicants. LPO will work with the Office of Indian Energy and other 
offices to determine if DOE grant funding could support TEFP applicants 
navigate the application and due diligence process.

    Attachment

 Office of Indian Energy Policy and Programs--Fiscal Year 2026 Budget 
       Request--House Energy and Water Development--13 June 2025
Executive Summary
FY 2026 Priorities
    Through financial and technical assistance IE will catalyze 
American Indian and Alaskan Native nations to lead the development of 
reliable, firm energy infrastructure in Indian Country to advance 
energy abundance, help restore American energy dominance, and address 
energy access challenges in Indian Country. Priorities:

   Expand reliable, firm energy development in Indian Country.

   Leverage IE's grant making authority to fund energy 
        infrastructure planning and deployment.

   Provide expert assistance to Tribes for productive 
        engagement with project developers to unleash new American 
        energy.

   Improve energy access for Tribes.

FY 2026 Request

   The FY 2026 Budget Request streamlines the Office of Indian 
        Energy's management footprint, but proposes to expandreliable, 
        firm energy infrastructure development in Indian Country. IE 
        offers financial and technical assistance to Indian Tribes, 
        including Alaska Native villages, and eligible Tribal entities 
        for advancing electrification and energy development and 
        deployment on Indian lands, reducing energy costs, and 
        assisting economic development in Tribal communities where 
        unemployment and poverty rates far exceed national averages.

FY 2026 Overview
Program Overview
    Mission of the Office of Indian Energy Policy and Programs (45 
U.S.C.  7144e):
    The Director, in accordance with Federal policies promoting Indian 
self-determination and the purposes of this chapter, shall provide, 
direct, foster, coordinate, and implement energy planning, education, 
management, conservation, and delivery programs of the Department 
that--

        (1) promote Indian tribal energy development, efficiency, and 
        use;

        (2) reduce or stabilize energy costs;

        (3) enhance and strengthen Indian tribal energy and economic 
        infrastructure relating to natural resource development and 
        electrification; and

        (4) bring electrical power and service to Indian land and the 
        homes of tribal members located on Indian lands or acquired, 
        constructed, or improved (in whole or in part) with Federal 
        funds.

FY 2026 Priorities
    Financial assistance to increase reliable, firm power: competitive 
funding opportunities for energy infrastructure deployment to American 
Indian and Alaska Native federally recognized Tribes across the Nation. 
Programs will not support work on solar, wind, or battery technologies.
    Technical assistance to overcome energy development barriers: 
technical assistance at no cost to Indian Tribes to develop a tangible 
product or specific deliverable to address a need or barrier and move 
energy projects forward, and to enable a competitive business 
environment for energy development in Indian Country. Programs will not 
support work on solar, wind, or battery technologies.
FY 2026 Overview

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                                                                 FY26
          $ in thousands               FY24         FY25       Request
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Office of Indian Energy                 70,000       70,000       50,000
Program Direction                       14,000       14,000       10,000
Assistance Programs                     56,000       56,000       40,000
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Explanation of Changes from FY25:
    The increase in technical assistance funding will enable the 
expansion of technical assistance to more Tribes and increased local 
providers. The decrease in federal assistance funding focuses support 
on reliable, firm energy infrastructure.
    Programs will not support work on solar, wind, or battery 
technologies.
FY 2025 Planned Activities
   Development of a strategy to advance electrification and 
        energy development and deployment on Indian lands to address 
        energy access challenges in Indian Country.

   Issuance of aNotice of Funding Opportunity (NOFO)for cost-
        shared competitive grants to eligible Tribal entities for 
        energy deploymenton Tribal lands.

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