[Senate Hearing 119-139]
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                      FEES AND FOREIGN INFLUENCE:
                 EXAMINING THE PANAMA CANAL AND ITS 
           IMPACT ON U.S. TRADE AND NATIONAL SECURITY

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                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                            JANUARY 28, 2025

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       SENATE COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION

                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

                       TED CRUZ, Texas, Chairman
JOHN THUNE, South Dakota             MARIA CANTWELL, Washington, 
ROGER WICKER, Mississippi                Ranking
DEB FISCHER, Nebraska                AMY KLOBUCHAR, Minnesota
JERRY MORAN, Kansas                  BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii
DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska                 EDWARD MARKEY, Massachusetts
MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee          GARY PETERS, Michigan
TODD YOUNG, Indiana                  TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin
TED BUDD, North Carolina             TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois
ERIC SCHMITT, Missouri               JACKY ROSEN, Nevada
JOHN CURTIS, Utah                    BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico
BERNIE MORENO, Ohio                  JOHN HICKENLOOPER, Colorado
TIM SHEEHY, Montana                  JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania
SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West Virginia  ANDY KIM, New Jersey
CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming              LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER, Delaware
                 Brad Grantz, Republican Staff Director
           Nicole Christus, Republican Deputy Staff Director
                     Liam McKenna, General Counsel
                   Lila Harper Helms, Staff Director
                 Melissa Porte
                 
                            C O N T E N T S

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Hearing held on January 28, 2025.................................     1
Statement of Senator Cruz........................................     1
Statement of Senator Cantwell....................................     3
    Letter to Senator Maria Cantwell from John D. Feely, U.S. 
      Ambassador to Panama (ret) and MariCarmen Aponte, U.S. 
      Ambassador to Panama (ret).................................     5
Statement of Senator Fischer.....................................    33
Statement of Senator Blunt Rochester.............................    34
Statement of Senator Sullivan....................................    36
Statement of Senator Baldwin.....................................    38
Statement of Senator Blackburn...................................    41
Statement of Senator Klobuchar...................................    42
Statement of Senator Budd........................................    44
Statement of Senator Kim.........................................    46
Statement of Senator Schmitt.....................................    48
Statement of Senator Curtis......................................    50
Statement of Senator Moreno......................................    52
Statement of Senator Capito......................................    54
Statement of Senator Sheehy......................................    56
Statement of Senator Young.......................................    58

                               Witnesses

Hon. Louis E. Sola, Chairman, Federal Maritime Commission........     9
    Prepared statement...........................................    10
Daniel B. Maffei, Commissioner, Federal Maritime Commission......    12
    Prepared statement...........................................    14
Eugene Kontorovich, Professor, Antonin Scalia Law School, George 
  Mason University...............................................    15
    Prepared statement...........................................    17
Joseph Kramek, President and CEO, World Shipping Council.........    20
    Prepared statement...........................................    21

                                Appendix

Response to written questions submitted to Hon. Louis E. Sola by:
    Hon. John Thune..............................................    63
    Hon. Roger Wicker............................................    65
    Hon. Dan Sullivan............................................    65
    Hon. Eric Schmitt............................................    65
Response to written questions submitted to Daniel B. Maffei by:..
    Hon. Jacky Rosen.............................................    66
    Hon. Andy Kim................................................    67
Response to written questions submitted by Hon. Eric Schmitt to:.
    Eugene Kontorovich...........................................    68
Response to written questions submitted to Joseph Kramek by:
    Hon. John Thune..............................................    68
    Hon. Jacky Rosen.............................................    68

 
                 FEES AND FOREIGN INFLUENCE: EXAMINING
                   THE PANAMA CANAL AND ITS IMPACT ON
                    U.S. TRADE AND NATIONAL SECURITY

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                       TUESDAY, JANUARY 28, 2025

                                       U.S. Senate,
        Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:07 a.m., in 
room SR-253, Russell Senate Office Building, Hon. Ted Cruz, 
Chairman of the Committee, presiding.
    Present: Senators Cruz [presiding], Thune, Wicker, Fischer, 
Moran, Sullivan, Blackburn, Young, Budd, Schmitt, Curtis, 
Moreno, Sheehy, Capito, Lummis, Cantwell, Klobuchar, Schatz, 
Markey, Peters, Baldwin, Duckworth, Rosen, Lujan, Hickenlooper, 
Kim, and Blunt Rochester.

              OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. TED CRUZ, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM TEXAS

    The Chairman. Good morning, everyone. Welcome. The Senate 
Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation will come to 
order.
    We are here today to examine a monument to American 
ingenuity, the Panama Canal. Senator Moreno down there 
suggested we open the hearing by playing Van Halen and Panama. 
We may not do that. But between the American construction of 
the Panama Canal, the French effort to build an Isthmus Canal, 
and America's triumphant completion of that canal, the major 
infrastructure projects across Panama cost more than 35,000 
lives.
    For the final decade of work on the Panama Canal, the 
United States spent nearly $400 million, equivalent to more 
than $15 billion today. The Panama Canal proved a truly 
invaluable asset, sparing both cargo ships and warships the 
long journey around South America. When President Carter gave 
it away to Panama, Americans were puzzled, confused, and many 
outraged.
    With the passage of time, many have lost sight of the 
Canal's importance, both to national security and to the U.S. 
economy. Not President Trump. When he demanded fair treatment 
for American ships and goods, many in the media scoffed. But 
the Panama Canal was not just given away. President Carter 
struck a bargain. He made a treaty.
    And President Trump is making a serious and substantive 
argument that that treaty is being violated right now. This 
committee has jurisdiction under the Senate rules over the 
Panama Canal, and today we will examine evidence of potential 
violations.
    President Trump has highlighted two key issues: Number one, 
the danger of China exploiting or blocking passage through the 
Canal. And number two, the exorbitant costs for transit. 
Chinese companies are right now building a bridge across the 
Canal at a slow pace so as to take nearly a decade. And Chinese 
companies control container ports at either end.
    The partially completed bridge gives China the ability to 
block the Canal without warning. And the ports give China ready 
observation posts to time that action. This situation, I 
believe, poses acute risks to U.S. national security.
    Meanwhile, the high fees for canal transit 
disproportionately affect Americans, because U.S. cargo 
accounts for nearly three-quarters of canal transits. U.S. Navy 
vessels pay additional fees that apply only to warships. Canal 
profits regularly exceed $3 billion. This money comes from both 
American taxpayers and consumers in the form of higher costs 
for goods. American tourists aboard cruises, particularly those 
in the Caribbean Sea, are essentially captive to any fees 
Panama chooses to levy for canal transits.
    And they have paid unfair prices for fuel bunkering at 
terminals in Panama as a result of government-granted monopoly. 
Panama's Government relies on these exploitative fees, nearly 
one-tenth of its budget is paid for with canal profit. As those 
fees cascade through the American economy in the Federal FISC, 
the Chinese Communist Party advances its global economic 
contest against the United States and takes a militaristic 
interest in the Canal.
    While President Trump has rightly focused on these key 
issues, there are additional problems. In the last 2 years, the 
Canal Authority generated record revenue even while transits 
were depressed by drought conditions. And the only comfort to 
delayed and overcharged ships is that Panama may invest in more 
freshwater reserves in the future.
    Even as it takes advantage of the global maritime system, 
Panama has emerged as a bad actor. Panama has for years flagged 
dozens of vessels in the Iranian Ghost Fleet, which brought 
Iran tens of billions of dollars in oil profits to fund terror 
across the world.
    And Chinese companies have won contracts, often without 
fair competition, as the infamous Belt and Road Initiative has 
come to Panama. China often engages in debt-trap diplomacy to 
enable economic and political coercion. In Panama, it also 
seems to have exploited simple corruption.
    We have four panelists with us today. At Ranking Member 
Cantwell's request, we also invited the Deputy Administrator of 
the Panama Canal to appear today. She declined that invitation.
    I understand this witness claimed her absence was due to a 
scheduling matter, but I also recognize that defending the 
Panama Canal Authority is an unenviable task. This committee 
may be obliged to compel her testimony at a future hearing.
    It will not escape Senators' notice that Professor 
Kontorovich is appearing virtually today. That will be a very 
unusual practice before this committee. The Professor was ready 
to fly from Israel to D.C. to appear in person, but he was 
unable to because too few American carriers have resumed direct 
flights to Israel. While European airliners are willing to fly 
to Israel, service to America has been prohibitively long and 
expensive.
    Israel is America's closest ally in the Middle East, and 
U.S. carriers are refusing to fly there. Late last week, Delta 
Airlines announced it would finally restart direct flights to 
Tel Aviv in April. And I very much hope that United Airlines 
and American Airlines will very quickly follow suit and resume 
direct flights to Israel.
    Turning back to the topic at hand, I am grateful to 
President Trump for raising public awareness about the state of 
the Panama Canal and the threats to American interests. We 
cannot afford to let American shippers be extorted. We cannot 
turn a blind eye if Panama exploits an asset of vital 
commercial and military importance. And we cannot stay idle 
while China is on the march in our hemisphere.
    I expect and hope the testimony today to enlighten all of 
those issues.
    I will now turn to Ranking Member Cantwell for her opening 
statement.

               STATEMENT OF HON. MARIA CANTWELL, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM WASHINGTON

    Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you 
for having this important hearing, and the witnesses that are 
here today, and virtually.
    Access to the Panama Canal is essential, maintaining 
America's supply chains, lowering inflation costs on consumers 
and goods, and ensuring our national security. With about 72 
percent of the goods transiting the Canal coming to or from 
U.S. markets, a stable waterway is vital for states like mine, 
where one in four jobs are related directly or indirectly to 
trade.
    Seattle-based SSA Marine, operated in the Manzanillo 
International Terminal in Colon, Panama, for the last 30 years, 
is our largest U.S. logistics presence in Panama, with 19 
massive cranes, 3.5 million cargo containers, and employing 
over a thousand people.
    In fact, Washington's maritime economy supports 170,000 
jobs and $45 billion in revenue, and our U.S. maritime economy 
supports over 21 million jobs and almost $3 trillion in 
America's GDP.
    So anything that our committee can do to help grow our 
maritime economy, I am all for. That is why it is so important 
that the Committee not just focus on Panama, but the broader 
solutions to meet our U.S. maritime opportunities and 
challenges. This committee passed the Ocean Shipping Reform 
Act, led by our colleagues, Senator Klobuchar and Senator 
Thune, to address shipping costs and stop carriers from 
practices that delay U.S. cargo or increased costs.
    This law also gave the FMC, our two Commissioners that are 
here today, the ability to do better investigation. So I look 
forward to hearing about their investigation on the Panama 
Canal and these cost issues.
    And many members of this committee have worked on the 
Infrastructure Bill to do dock replacements in places like 
Alaska, rail improvements, pier infrastructure, safety 
improvements, container yard expansion. And I know that my 
colleagues who represent these maritime investments need a 
maritime workforce and continued investment.
    Many of our colleagues, Mr. Chairman, have great ideas. 
Senators Kelly and Young from the Senate, Representatives 
Garamendi and Kelly from the House, and they have been working 
with maritime stakeholders on these larger bills.
    But Mr. Chairman, if this committee does not embrace this 
larger agenda, it is going to get decided in the Finance 
Committee. So I hope that we can get some of these issues and 
show that this committee is the Committee for maritime 
jurisdiction.
    A bill that provides a comprehensive strategy to rebuild 
America's supply chain supremacy, sea lift capacity that we 
need to defend our interests in the South China Sea and the 
Indo-Pacific region, and to revitalize our Nation's ports and 
shipbuilding capacity. A revitalized U.S. maritime strategy 
would not only be good for our economy, but critical for 
national security.
    At the same time, we face cyber threats from our foreign 
adversaries, and Panama is a perfect example, which brings us 
to the hearing today. I am concerned about Chinese-owned ports 
in Panama and their proximity to the Canal.
    I am also deeply concerned about the installation of 
Chinese equipment from Huawei and Chinese companies near the 
Canal. This is why this committee successfully worked to get $3 
billion in Rip and Replace at the end of the last Congress. So 
if we are trying to get them out of U.S. ports and areas, we 
should not certainly allow them in vessels and back doors in 
places like Panama.
    Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask unanimous consent to 
enter into the record a letter from the two most recent U.S. 
Ambassadors to Panama, who make the case for continued U.S. 
investment in infrastructure and cybersecurity.
    The Chairman. Without objection.
    Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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    Senator Cantwell. These Ambassadors know better than anyone 
that America's adversaries have built back doors into 
communication technology, software--supply chains, both 
software and hardware. So whether it is a crane over the port, 
or a bridge, we cannot tolerate Huawei, TikTok, artificial 
intelligence, or other adversaries using a government back 
door.
    Mr. Chairman, I am a very big fan of the five biggest 
technology interests and basic democracies forming a technology 
NATO, we should be saying to the world, nobody should be buying 
technology or equipment that has a government back door.
    These are complex issues and we need solutions. I will be 
requesting that the Department of Defense provide a classified 
briefing to all members of our committee about foreign 
adversary threats to the Panama Canal, including these adjacent 
areas. I received an initial classified briefing from the U.S. 
Southern Command and have spoken to former U.S. Southern 
Command leader General Laura Richardson on these issues.
    I also plan to go as a delegation, or by myself, to Panama 
and visit the Panama Canal Authority. I invite other members to 
do so hopefully this spring.
    Any successful strategy also has to not just focus on 
cybersecurity and cooperation, and we will ask some of our 
witnesses here today, but the larger issue is we need to 
understand what are the shortfalls of the current agreement 
that does not get at this upgraded technology concern, I would 
hope that Panama would be very cooperative in discussing these 
cybersecurity investments and what needs to be made.
    As we all know, the Panama Canal is, as an authority, 
independent and the Chinese Government do not start the 
shipping rates, but the authority has been grappling with 
historic rainfalls, climate change, and the solution, I 
believe, is for us to work together, as the Army Corps did 
before on solutions, in making sure that instability in water 
is not the cause of increase in rates. We need to work on these 
solutions.
    But Mr. Chairman, I also believe that the larger issue 
here, as you mentioned in your statement about Belt and Road 
Initiative by the Chinese and their expansion, needs to be met 
with an aggressive response by the United States. I firmly 
believe in trade.
    But, again, easy for me to say, or maybe for Texas, when 
you are coming from a very trade-dependent state, but the issue 
is we did not have an ambassador there for 5 years in Panama. 
For all my colleagues who hold up Ambassadors, you should 
rethink your strategies when you do this, because holding up 
Ambassadors and not dealing with these issues put us behind the 
eight ball.
    Expanding exports to 95 percent of the world's consumers 
and roughly 3.5 billion people, I believe, is a good idea. I 
hope we can have a more aggressive strategy in Latin America.
    I think the proposals by Senator Cassidy and Bennet, the 
Americas Act, is also a like-minded thing of Latin American 
countries that we could join together in sort of a U.S.-Mexico-
Canada free trade agreement.
    And I also believe that a free trade agreement of the 
Americas that link modernization of all our FTAs in Latin 
America and the Caribbean would help, along with an aggressive 
strategy on saying no government back doors, and making the 
kind of investments that the Export-Import Bank can do to 
counter China.
    So Mr. Chairman, thank you for organizing this important 
hearing. Such investments ensure resilient supply chains, boost 
exports, lower consumer costs, and most importantly, protect 
our national security. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Cantwell. Our first 
witness today is Chairman Louis Sola of the Federal Maritime 
Commission. He was recently in Panama on a fact-finding mission 
and can speak to concerning developments that I noted in my 
opening statement.
    Chairman Sola, you are recognized for five minutes.

          STATEMENT OF HON. LOUIS E. SOLA, CHAIRMAN, 
                  FEDERAL MARITIME COMMISSION

    Mr. Sola. Thank you, Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member 
Cantwell, and distinguished members of the Committee. Thank you 
for the opportunity to speak today about the critical 
importance of the Panama Canal to U.S. trade and global 
commerce.
    I bring a unique perspective as someone who has not only 
served as a maritime regulator but also lived and worked 
extensively in Panama. I have transited the Panama Canal over 
100 times. This experience provides me with a profound 
understanding of the Canal's significance and challenges it 
faces.
    Prolonged drought conditions last year forced operational 
changes, reducing transit slots, restricting vessel types, and 
auctioning of slots, raising alarm about its resilience. The 
Panama Canal is managed by the Panama Canal Authority, ACP, an 
independent agency of the Panamanian Government. The ACP is a 
model of public infrastructure management and its independence 
has been key to ensure a safe and reliable transit of vessels 
critical to the U.S. and global commerce.
    During my recent visit to Panama, I had the opportunity to 
meet with leaders of the ACP to better understand their efforts 
to address the ongoing challenges facing the Canal. I saw 
firsthand their commitment to maintaining the Canal's 
efficiency and resilience.
    These conversations also highlighted the broader challenges 
posed by the Panamanian Government's maritime policies, which 
complicate the ACP's mission and raise concerns about 
corruption and foreign influence.
    In contrast, the broader maritime sector in Panama, 
including the Nation's ports, water rights, and the world's 
largest ship registry, falls under the direct purview of the 
Panamanian Government. Unfortunately, this sector has faced 
persistent challenges, including corruption scandals and 
foreign influence, particularly from Brazil and China. These 
issues create friction with the ACP, especially as it works to 
address long-term challenges, such as securing adequate water 
supplies for the Canal.
    Although the ACP operates independently under U.S. law, 
both the ACP and the government of Panama's maritime sector are 
considered one and the same. This means that any challenges in 
Panama's maritime sector, including corruption, lack of 
transparency, or foreign influence, can have a direct or 
indirect impact on the operations and long-term stability of 
the Canal.
    This legal perspective highlights the need for diligence in 
monitoring both the ACP's management and Panama Government's 
policies affecting maritime operations.
    Since 2015, Chinese companies have increased their presence 
and influence throughout Panama. Panama became a member of the 
Belt and Road Initiative and ended its diplomatic relations 
with Taiwan.
    Chinese companies have been able to pursue billions of 
dollars in development contracts in Panama, many of which were 
projects directly on or adjacent to the Panama Canal. Many were 
no-bid contracts, labor laws were waived, and the Panamanian 
people are still waiting to see how they have been benefited. 
It is all the more concerning that many of these companies are 
state-owned, and in some cases even designated as linked to the 
People's Liberation Army.
    We must address the significant growing presence and 
influence of China throughout the Americas, and in Panama 
specifically. American companies should play a leading role in 
enhancing the Canal's infrastructure. By supporting U.S. firms, 
we reduce reliance on Chinese contractors and promote fair 
competition.
    Additionally, confirming a U.S. Ambassador in Panama is 
critical to advancing our national and economic interests. The 
FMC will continue to monitor the Canal's pricing practices and 
consider broad reviews of Panama's maritime sector. Yes, FMC 
has the authority to impose significant remedies, including 
fines and restrictions on Panamanian-flagged vessels entering 
U.S. ports.
    In closing, the Panama Canal is vital to our economy, with 
over 75 percent of its traffic bound for our ports. 
Safeguarding the ACP's independence and addressing the 
challenges posed by the broader government are essential to 
maintaining U.S. competitiveness in a global economy.
    I look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Sola follows:]

          Prepared Statement of Hon. Louis E. Sola, Chairman, 
                      Federal Maritime Commission
    Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member Cantwell, and distinguished members 
of the Committee: Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you 
today to address the vital role the Panama Canal plays in U.S. trade 
and the global economy. I understand many of the issues of interest to 
you from not only my perspective as a regulator, but as someone who is 
a ``Zonian.''
    Panama is a place I know well. I grew-up in Goodland, Indiana, but 
Panama has been a part of my life from when I first moved there in my 
very early twenties as a young Army Non-Commissioned-Officer. I 
launched my post-military career there, my children were born there, I 
have transited the Canal 110 times as a Captain, earning the 
distinction as ``Honorary Lead Pilot.'' I know the country, I speak the 
language at home, I have a genuine affinity for the people of Panama 
and for the country itself. Nonetheless, I am not blinded to issues 
which should command each of our attention.
    Your interest in the Panama Canal is commendable. Despite the Canal 
being more than 100 years old, it remains a critical conduit for trade 
moving by vessel. The United States, more than any other nation, 
benefits from ships being able to transit the Panama Canal. In excess 
of 40 percent of U.S. container traffic, valued at roughly $270 billion 
annually, transits this waterway. Nor is Canal traffic limited to 
container ships. Vessels of all sorts--container ships, passenger 
vessels, bulk and breakbulk vessels, and product tankers--use the 
waterway to carry cargoes to and from the United States.
    For much of the more than 100-year history of the Canal, the United 
States was responsible for operating the facility, but that 
responsibility shifted in 1999 when control of the Canal was 
transferred to the Republic of Panama. For the past 25 years, the Canal 
has been very ably administered by the (Panama Canal Authority) a 
government entity that is separate from the government of Panama.
    Drought conditions had consequential effects on Canal operations in 
2024, forcing the Authority to cut the total number of transit slots 
available, bar some classes of vessels from transiting at all, and 
mandate vessels be more lightly loaded to allow for higher drafts. In 
some instances, available transit slots were auctioned off to the 
highest bidder. In response to the concerns expressed by many different 
sources about how the Canal was being operated, then-Chairman Maffei 
and I traveled to Panama last August to meet government, the Authority, 
and business executives to learn more about how the drought was 
impacting Canal operations and what measures the Authority was taking 
to make the Canal more drought resistant.
    Panama Canal Authority executives appeared to be fully transparent 
in discussing the management of the Canal and options for making the 
waterway more resilient against drought conditions. These improvements 
are absolutely critical. Without a solution, projections suggest that 
by 2050, the Canal's capacity could decline by as much as 50 percent, 
which would have devastating consequences for global trade and U.S. 
commerce. The Authority is working to create the additional volumes of 
water necessary to operate the Canal, but must do so within the 
constraints of laws and regulations administered by the Government of 
the Republic of Panama. That relationship has been frictional at times. 
The Republic of Panama is responsible for administering that nation's 
ports, water rights, and ship registry. The reality is one entity--the 
Panama Canal Authority--administers the Canal and is responsible for 
its continued viability, but many of the initiatives necessary to 
realize that goal are under the control of Panama's government.
    Further complicating this split of authorities is the reputation 
the Government of Panama has for corruption and susceptibility to 
foreign influence. Transparency International places Panama at 108 out 
of 180 rated countries, and the U.S. Department of Commerce 
International Trade Administration notes that ``Corruption is Panama's 
biggest challenge.'' Prevalent examples exist of the systemic 
corruption found in how the Panamanian government does business. 
Officials have been sanctioned. The Panamanian Registry included 
Iranian-owned vessels that were involved in sanctions busting. 
Presidential administrations that preceded that of now-President Mulino 
were particularly receptive to Chinese overtures and beginning in 2015, 
the People's Republic of China only had to push lightly on a cracked 
door in Panama. In subsequent years, Panama became a member of the Belt 
and Road Initiative and ended its diplomatic relations with the 
Republic of China (Taiwan). Chinese companies have been able to pursue 
billions of dollars in development contracts in Panama, many of which 
were physical infrastructure projects, some on or adjacent to the 
Panama Canal. No bid contracts were awarded, labor laws were waived, 
and the Panamanian people are still waiting to see how they benefitted.
    The United States is not without options in addressing the growing 
presence of China and Chinese companies in Panama and throughout the 
Americas. Nor are we without options as they relate to the continued 
viability of the Canal.
    First, we need to increase support for American companies seeking 
to do business in Panama and throughout the Americas. Chinese companies 
must not be the sole bidders on contracts. Improving the resiliency of 
the Panama Canal will require significant engineering and construction 
work. U.S. firms can and should be at the top of the list of bids 
considered. Further, the United States must address any conduct by 
foreign competitors that American companies are legally prohibited from 
engaging in. Commercial opportunities abound throughout the Americas 
and our foreign and commercial services must embrace their roles as 
champions of U.S. businesses in spite of a strong presence of anti-US 
and Chinese aligned local media outlets. The U.S. Embassy in Panama is 
a crucial part of these efforts. Having an ambassador confirmed, in 
place in Panama, and protecting our national interests must be a 
priority.
    Second, we must protect the independence of the Panama Canal 
Authority. Any effort by other interests in Panama to diminish the 
independence or professionalism of the Authority must be stopped. 
Building or expanding relationships with the Panama Canal Authority can 
increase its capabilities and competencies even further. The United 
States should work with the Authority to identify opportunities for 
technical collaboration or expertise sharing. One example is the U.S. 
Army Corps of Engineers, which has unparalleled experience in managing 
large public works projects. The relationship between it and the 
Authority could be formalized. Another opportunity for growing 
relationships is to foster closer, more frequent consultations between 
users, or their representatives, of the Canal and the Authority 
leadership. Such exchanges would be productive, particularly if they 
identified and alleviated concerning issues before they become 
problematic issues.
    Third, the Federal Maritime Commission will continue its monitoring 
and review of the practices of the Panama Canal Authority with a 
particular eye toward the appropriateness of pricing structure for 
transits. The Commission will also consider expanding its ongoing 
examination of the Authority to include other maritime/supply chain 
businesses operating in Panama. The authorities the Commission 
possesses under section 19 of the Merchant Marine Act of 1920 to 
address conditions affecting shipping in foreign trade (46 U.S. Code 
Chapter 421) authorize the Commission to address foreign government 
laws or practices that are harmful to U.S. shipping. More explicitly, 
should the Commission formally investigate the practices of the Panama 
Canal Authority and find them to be unfavorable, the Commission could 
act against the Republic of Panama broadly as opposed to the Authority 
specifically. The Commission can levy significant remedies under the 
law, including substantial daily fines and barring Panamanian-flagged 
vessels from calling at U.S. ports.
    More than one-third of the U.S. economy is tied to goods, 
commodities, and inputs that move by sea, and the Panama Canal is an 
indispensable part of the ocean-linked supply chains on which we are 
reliant. Safeguarding the viability of the Panama Canal for the coming 
century and beyond must be a priority we meet if we want to remain 
economically competitive.
    Thank you for your attention and interest. I am pleased to address 
any questions you might have.

    The Chairman. Thank you, Chairman.
    Our next witness is Commissioner Daniel Maffei of the 
Federal Maritime Commission. He was also in Panama with 
Chairman Sola.
    Mr. Maffei, I look forward to your opening statement.

   STATEMENT OF HON. DANIEL B. MAFFEI, COMMISSIONER, FEDERAL 
                      MARITIME COMMISSION

    Mr. Maffei. Thank you very much, Chairman Cruz, and Ranking 
Member Cantwell, and members of the Committee.
    I do want to say that in addition to Chairman Sola and 
myself, Commissioner Max Vekich is also here from the Federal 
Maritime Commission, which I just think underscores the 
importance of this issue to us.
    More than 110 years after its opening, the Panama Canal 
does remain absolutely vital to maintaining resilient supply 
chains for both American importers and exporters. Because the 
Canal is essentially a waterway bridge over mountainous terrain 
above sea level, it does depend on large supplies of fresh 
water to maintain the full operations.
    Panama has among the world's largest annual rainfalls, 
nonetheless, insufficient fresh water levels have occurred 
before in the Canal's history, such as in the 1930s when the 
Madden Dam and Lake Alejuela were built to address water 
shortages. Since that time, the Canal has undertaken several 
projects to accommodate larger, more modern ships.
    In the last couple of years, a trend of worsening droughts 
in the region once again has forced limits to the operations of 
the Canal. Starting in June 2023, the Panama Canal Authority 
employed draft restrictions and reduced the number of ships 
allowed to transit the Canal per day. Now, the Panama Canal 
limitations, in combination with the de facto closure of the 
Suez Canal to container traffic, has had serious consequences 
for ocean commerce, increasing rates, fees, and transit times.
    In the first half of 2024, U.S. importers and exporters 
expressed Panama Canal-related concerns to the FMC, including 
doubts about the future reliability of the Canal, and questions 
about how the Panama Canal Authority was determining which 
ships could transit the Canal, and how long they would have to 
wait.
    The FMC has statutory authority under the laws concerning 
foreign shipping practices to investigate and potentially take 
appropriate counteraction if it finds that a foreign country, 
through its laws or regulations, has contributed to, quote, 
``Conditions unfavorable to shipping in the foreign trade'', 
unquote.
    Given this statutory mandate and consistent with FMC's 
mission, I and then Commissioner Louis Sola started to look 
deeper into the causes of the issues facing the Canal. The 
first step was to meet with Panamanian officials and other 
stakeholders, as the Chairman has pointed out, about the 
conditions adversely affecting the Canal's operations, about 
what was being done to address these concerns, and about 
whether any aspect of the Canal's operations might result in 
conditions unfavorable to U.S. shipping that should be 
addressed under the Commission's authority.
    So we traveled to Panama, which was in July 2024, and we 
met with then-recently elected President Jose Mulino and 
officials in his administration. We also met with the Panama 
Canal Authority, as well as private sector stakeholders.
    We had very candid discussions on key issues, such as 
Panama's command to--I am sorry--Panama's plans to ameliorate 
the water-level challenges, the bidding processes used to 
allocate transits during times of restrictions, and our concern 
the Canal Authority was bringing in far more revenue during the 
crisis than it had before limits were forced by water 
shortages.
    Both the Government of Panama and the Canal Authority did 
answer our questions very substantively. The Canal Authority 
informed us they were already making changes to that allocation 
system. Now, fortunately, Panama's 2024 rainy season has, for 
now, alleviated the most acute water supply issues at the 
Canal, and normal transit volumes have been restored.
    That said, while the Panamanian Government and Canal 
Authority have, with the advice of the U.S. Army Corps of 
Engineers, developed credible plans to mitigate future water 
shortages, they also warned that it is likely that at least one 
more period of reduced transits will occur before these plans 
can be fully implemented.
    Now, since our meetings, the FMC has continued to monitor 
Panama's progress on this front and examined other policy 
changes announced by the Canal Authority. I do have continuing 
concerns, particularly about the auction-like slot allocation 
procedures, not so much as they are applied right now because 
transits are not being rationed, but when another low rainfall 
rain period occurs--or rainfall period occurs.
    As we learn more about Panama and the Canal Authority and 
how they would handle another drought and receive more input 
from American importers and exporters, the Commission does 
remain positioned to take appropriate action if warranted. How 
the Panama Canal's operations affect American commerce was a 
high priority for the FMC under my chairmanship, it remains a 
high priority at the Federal Maritime Commission under 
Commissioner Sola's chairmanship, and I am extremely pleased 
that it is a priority for this committee as well.
    Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Maffei follows:]

       Prepared Statement of Hon. Daniel B. Maffe, Commissioner, 
                      Federal Maritime Commission
    Thank you, Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member Cantwell, and members of 
the Committee for inviting me to participate.
    The Panama Canal is crucial to ensuring an efficient and reliable 
ocean transportation system, particularly for the United States. When 
the Canal opened in 1914, global trade by sea was drastically altered 
as international commerce benefited from the expedited maritime passage 
through Central America. Today--more than 110-years later--the Panama 
Canal remains vital to maintaining resilient supply-chains for both 
American importers and exporters.
    The Panama Canal has always had limits to its capacity. Because the 
Canal is essentially a waterway bridge over mountainous terrain above 
sea level, it depends on large supplies of fresh water to maintain full 
operations.
    Panama has among the world's largest annual rainfalls. Nonetheless, 
insufficient freshwater levels have occurred before in the Canal's 
history, such as in the 1930s, when Madden Dam and Lake Alejuela were 
built to address water shortages. Since that time, the Canal has 
undertaken several projects to accommodate larger, more modern ships. 
Less than a decade ago, the Panama Canal Authority opened new sets of 
locks on both the Atlantic and Pacific ends.
    In the last couple years, a trend of worsening droughts in the 
region forced limits to the operations of the Canal. Starting in June 
of 2023, the Canal Authority employed draft restrictions (preventing 
some larger and/or heavily loaded ships from passing through the 
Canal's lock systems) and reduced the number of ships allowed to 
transit the Canal per day.
    The diminished capacity at the Panama Canal, in combination with 
the de facto closure of the Suez Canal--due to Houthi attacks in the 
Red Sea--had serious consequences for ocean commerce which sometimes 
included increased rates, fees, and/or transit times. U.S. importers 
and exporters expressed Panama Canal-related concerns to Commissioners 
and staff at the FMC, including doubts about the future reliability of 
the Canal and questions about how the Panama Canal Authority was 
determining which ships could transit the Canal and when.
    The FMC has statutory authority under the laws concerning foreign 
shipping practices to investigate and potentially take appropriate 
counter action if it finds that a foreign country, through its laws or 
regulations, has contributed to ``conditions unfavorable to shipping in 
foreign trade.''
    Given this statutory mandate, and consistent with FMC's mission, I 
and then-Commissioner Sola started to look deeper into the causes of 
the issues facing the Canal. We thought the first step was to meet with 
Panamanian officials and other stakeholders and speak to them directly 
about the conditions adversely affecting the Canal's operations and 
some of the input we had heard from American shippers. We specifically 
sought to better understand the current state of the Canal's 
operations, what was being done to improve them, and whether any aspect 
of the Canal's operation might result in conditions unfavorable to U.S. 
shipping that should be formally investigated under the Commission's 
authority.
    While in Panama, we met with the then recently elected President, 
Jose Mulino, as well as several senior officials in his administration 
to discuss maritime policy. We also met with the Canal's Administrator 
and other officials of the Panama Canal Authority. We had additional 
meetings with private-sector stakeholders.
    We had candid discussions on key issues such as Panama's plans to 
ameliorate the water level challenges, the bidding process used to 
allocate transits during times of restrictions, and our concern that 
the Canal Authority was collecting much more money per transit during 
the crisis than it had before the 2023-24 water shortage. Both the 
government of Panama and the Canal Authority answered our questions 
substantively. The Canal Authority informed us they were already making 
changes to the allocation system.
    Fortunately, Panama's 2024 rainy season has now alleviated the most 
acute water supply issues at the Canal for the time-being and restored 
normal transit volumes. That said, while the Panamanian government and 
Canal Authority have, with the advice of the U.S. Army Corps of 
Engineers, developed credible plans to mitigate future water shortages, 
they also warned that it is likely at least one more period of reduced 
transits will occur before these plans can be fully implemented.
    Since our meetings in late July, the Commission has continued to 
monitor Panama's progress on this front and examined other policy 
changes announced by the Canal Authority. I do have continuing concerns 
about the auction-like slot allocation procedures--not so much as they 
are applied right now when transits are not being rationed--but when 
another lower rainfall period occurs. As we learn more about how Panama 
and the Canal Authority would handle another drought crisis and receive 
more input from American importers and exporters, the Commission 
remains prepared to take any appropriate action, if warranted.
    How the Panama Canal's operations affect American commerce remains 
a priority at the Federal Maritime Commission, and I am very pleased 
that it is a priority for this Committee as well.
    Thank you.

    The Chairman. Thank you, Commissioner. Our next witness is 
Law Professor Eugene Kontorovich, who can explain Panama's 
treaty obligations and the remedies the U.S. might seek for 
potential violations.
    Professor Kontorovich is appearing virtually. And 
Professor, you are recognized for your opening statement.

STATEMENT OF EUGENE KONTOROVICH, PROFESSOR, ANTONIN SCALIA LAW 
                SCHOOL, GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY

    Mr. Kontorovich. Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member Cantwell, 
Honorable Members of the Committee, I appreciate and regret the 
opportunity to testify before you remotely.
    I have been asked to discuss possible violations of the 
treaty concerning the permanent neutrality and operation of the 
Panama Canal entered into between the two countries in 1977.
    I should say at the outset that determining whether a 
certain situation violates the treaty is a mixed question of 
law and fact, depending on both the meaning of the treaty and 
the actual situation on the ground. I have not had any 
classified intelligence briefings on this subject, so I am 
going to speak about the meaning of the treaty primarily. We 
shall see that under international law, each party to the 
treaty is entitled to determine for itself whether a violation 
has occurred.
    Now, in exchange for the United States seizing control of 
the Canal, which it built and maintained, Panama agreed to a 
special regime of neutrality. The essential features of this 
regime of neutrality is that the Canal must be open to all 
nations for transit, that is Article II, equitable tolls and 
fees, Article III, and exclusive Panamanian operation, Article 
V (sic), the prohibition of any foreign military presence, 
Article V.
    Article V provides that only Panama shall operate the 
Canal. Testifying about the meaning of the treaty at the Senate 
ratification hearings, the Carter administration emphasized 
that this prohibits foreign operation of the Canal as well as 
the garrisoning of foreign troops.
    Now, Article V appears to be primarily concerned about 
control by foreign sovereigns. If Panama signed a treaty with 
the People's Republic of China, whereby the latter would 
operate the Canal on Panama's behalf, this would be a clear 
violation. But what if Panama contracted for port operations 
with a Chinese state firm, or even a private firm influenced, 
or controlled in part by the Chinese Government?
    The Suez Canal Company was itself, before being 
nationalized, a private firm in which the United Kingdom was 
only a controlling shareholder, yet this was understood to 
represent British control over the Canal. In other words, a 
company need not be owned by the government to be, in part, 
controlled by the government.
    So the real question is the degree of de jure or de facto 
control over a foreign sovereign company. And scenarios range 
from government companies in an authoritarian regime, 
completely controlled, to purely private firms in an open 
society like the United States, but those many possible 
situations in the middle.
    The treaty is silent on the question of how much control is 
too much. And as we will see, this is one of the many questions 
committed to the judgment and discretion of each party.
    Now, turning to foreign security forces, the presence of 
third-country troops would manifestly violate Article V. But 
this does not mean that anything short of a People's Liberation 
Army base flying a red flag is permissible. The presence of 
foreign security forces could violate the regime of neutrality, 
even if they are not represented in organized and open military 
formations.
    Modern warfare has seen belligerent powers seek to evade 
international legal limitations by disguising their actions in 
civilian garb. From Russia's notorious little green men, to 
Hamas terrorists hiding in hospitals or disguised as 
journalists, bad actors seek to exploit the fact that 
international treaties focus on sovereign actors.
    Many of China's man-made islands in the South China Sea 
began as civilian projects before being suddenly militarized. 
Indeed, this issue was discussed in the Senate ratification 
hearings over the treaty.
    Dean Rusk said, ``Informal forces would be prohibited under 
the treaty.'' Thus, the ostensible civilian character of the 
Chinese presence around the Canal does not in itself mean that 
it could not represent a violation of the treaty if, for 
example, these companies and their employees involved Chinese 
covert agents or other agents of the Chinese security forces.
    So this leads us to the final question: Who determines 
whether neutrality is being threatened or compromised? Unlike 
many other treaties that provide for third-party dispute 
resolution, the Neutrality Treaty has no such provision. 
Instead, the treaty makes clear that each party determines for 
itself the existence of a violation.
    Article IV provides that each party is separately 
authorized to maintain the regime of neutrality, making it a 
separate obligation of each party. The Senate's understanding 
made accompanying the ratification also made clear that Article 
V allows each party to take, quote, ``unilateral action''.
    Senator Jacob Javits, at the markup hearing, said that 
while the word ``unilateral'' is abrasive, we can, quote, 
``Decide that the regime of neutrality is being threatened and 
then act with whatever means are necessary to keep the Canal 
neutral, unilaterally.''
    I look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Kontorovich follows:]

Prepared Statement of Professor Eugene Kontorovich, Antonin Scalia Law 
 School, George Mason University Senior and Research Fellow, Heritage 
                               Foundation
    Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member Cantwell, and Honorable Members of 
the Committee:

    I am Eugene Kontorovich, a professor at George Mason University's 
Antonin Scalia Law School, as well as senior research fellow at the 
Heritage Foundation's Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom.\1\ My 
research focuses on constitutional and international law.
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    \1\ The title and affiliation are for identification purposes. 
Members of The Heritage Foundation staff testify as individuals 
discussing their own independent research. The views expressed here are 
my own and do not reflect an institutional position for The Heritage 
Foundation, its Board of Trustees, George Mason University, or the 
Commonwealth of Virginia.
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    I have been asked to discuss possible violations of the Treaty 
Concerning the Permanent Neutrality and Operation of the Panama Canal, 
entered into on September 7, 1977, between the United States and 
Republic of Panama. I should say at the outset that determining whether 
a certain situation represents a violation of a given treaty is a mixed 
question of law and fact. It depends both on the treaty and its 
interpretation, as well as on the actual situation on the ground, the 
latter of which I have no special information about.
    We shall see that under international law that each party to a 
treaty is entitled to determine for itself whether a violation has 
occurred. In our constitutional system, that determination is left 
primarily to the President, in part because of his superior and ongoing 
access to facts, much of which might not be public.
What ``Neutrality'' Means
    The Neutrality Treaty was part of a deal made with Panama and 
embodied in two instruments. In one, the Panama Canal Treaty, the 
United States agreed to cede the Panama Canal Zone and, as of 1999, the 
operation of the Canal, to Panama. In exchange for the United States 
ceding the control of the Canal which it built and then maintained and 
defended, Panama agreed to a special ``regime of neutrality'' of the 
Canal, which is set forth in a separate treaty.
    Under international law, neutrality is a robust and detailed 
doctrine focused on third parties treating belligerents equally, or not 
affording them certain facilities, in time of war. The rules of 
neutrality are complex and detailed. Such rules were of great interest 
to the Framers, as they navigated the geopolitics of the Napoleonic 
Wars. The technicalities of neutrality are of somewhat less practical 
relevance today,\2\ when states of declared war are uncommon, and 
belligerence falls in several shades of grey.
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    \2\ See Stephen P. Mulligan, Cong. Rsch. Serv., LSB10735, 
International Neutrality and U.S. Military Assistance to Ukraine 
(2022).
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    In any case, the neutrality spoken of by the Treaty is not the 
general doctrines of customary international law, but the specific 
``regime of neutrality'' \3\ that is ``spelled out in the treaty 
itself,'' as Dean Rusk explained in Senate hearings at the time.\4\ 
Indeed, the neutrality spoken of in this treaty is different from 
classic neutrality in several ways, as it applies in times of peace, 
and gives preferential treatment to U.S. warships and Colombian 
vessels. This is not general neutrality, but rather a relative 
neutrality that places the safeguarding of U.S. interests in a special 
position.
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    \3\ Treaty Concerning the Permanent Neutrality and Operation of the 
Panama Canal, U.S.-Panama, Sept. 7, 1977, T.I.A.S. No. 10030, reprinted 
in 16 I.L.M. 1022 (1977), Art. I.
    \4\ See Panama Canal Treaties: Hearings Before S. Comm. on Foreign 
Relations, 95th Cong., 559-60 (1978) (statement of Dean Rusk, former 
U.S. Sec. of State).
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What Violates Neutrality
    The essential features of the neutrality that must be preserved in 
the Canal are the non-discrimination among nations in the right of 
transit (Art. II); just and equitable tolls and fees (Art. III); 
exclusive Panamanian operation of the Canal (Art. V); and the 
prohibition of any foreign military or defense presence in the country 
(Art. V). A significant purpose of these provisions was to ensure 
foreign powers would not control the Canal.
Foreign Operation of the Canal
    Article V provides that only Panama shall ``operate'' the Canal. 
Testifying about the meaning of the treaty in the Senate ratification 
hearings, the Carter Administration via Assistant Secretary of State 
for Legislative Affairs Douglas J. Bennet, Jr., emphasized that the 
treaty ``prohibits foreign operation of the Canal, the garrisoning of 
foreign troops.'' \5\
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    \5\ Id. at 673, 675 (1978) (statement of Douglas J. Bennet, Jr., 
Ass't Sec. of State for Legislative Affairs).
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    This raises the question of whether the operation of the Canal or 
its appurtenant facilities by a private firm, neither American nor 
Panamanian, is consistent with the treaty. Article V appears primarily 
to be concerned about control by foreign sovereigns. If Panama signed a 
treaty with the People's Republic of China, whereby the latter would 
operate the Canal on Panama's behalf, it would be a clear violation of 
the treaty. But what if Panama contracted for port operations with a 
Chinese state firm? Or even a private firm? The Suez Canal company was 
itself a private firm in which the United Kingdom was only a 
controlling shareholder, and yet it was understood to represent Anglo-
French control over the Canal.
    One analytic factor would be the degree of de jure or de facto 
control the foreign sovereign has over the company. Here, scenarios 
range from government companies in an authoritarian regime to purely 
private firms in an open society such as the United States. In between 
exists a spectrum of levels of governmental control and influence. The 
treaty is silent on the question of how much is too much. As we shall 
see, that is one of the many questions committed to the judgment and 
discretion of each party.
    In a communist regime, distinctions between private and government-
owned firms are not as absolute or clear-cut as in a Western liberal 
society. This is particularly the case for the People's Republic of 
China (PRC), which has an official doctrine known as ``Military-
Civilian Fusion,'' a top-level strategy of the CCP Central Committee 
since 2019.\6\ Moreover, Panama has formally joined China's ``Belt and 
Road Initiative'' (BRI), a sprawling Chinese governmental policy to 
strengthen its strategic influence overseas. China has used the BRI to 
expand its overseas security footprint in Belt and Road countries.\7\
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    \6\ See U.S. Dep't of Defense, Military and Security Developments 
Involving the People's Republic of China, 28-30 (2023).
    \7\ Id. at 27.
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    Another formal distinction of uncertain substantive value is that 
between Hong Kong and the PRC. When a Hong Kong company first won 
contracts to manage the ports on each side of the Canal--over vigorous 
U.S. objections\8\--the island was still a British Crown Dependency. 
Just a few months later, it was handed over to China; two years later, 
the Canal Zone was handed over by the United States to Panama. In the 
ensuing decades, China has cemented its control over Hong Kong far 
beyond what was contemplated in its agreement with the United Kingdom, 
culminating in imposition of Chinese security laws in 2020.
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    \8\ The Security of the Panama Canal: Hearings before the S. Armed 
Serv. Comm., 106th Cong. (1999) (statement of Amb. Lino Gutierrez).
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    These developments may have a combined cumulative effect. It 
emerges that the operation of facilities proximate to the Canal is 
under the control of companies subordinate to a rival or even hostile 
power, known for its integration of civilian and military sectors and 
use of infrastructure development to project global power.
Foreign Security Forces
    The presence of third-country troops or military infrastructure 
would manifestly violate Article V. But this does not mean that 
anything short of a People's Liberation Army base flying a red flag is 
permissible. The presence of foreign security forces could violate the 
neutrality regime even if they are not represented by organized 
military formations. Modern warfare has seen belligerent powers seek to 
evade international legal limitations by disguising their actions in 
civilian garb. From Russia's notorious ``little green men'' to Hamas 
terrorists in hospitals, bad actors seek to exploit the fact that 
international treaties focus on sovereign actors. Many of China's 
manmade islands in the South China Sea began as ostensibly civilian 
projects before being militarized.
    Indeed, this issue was discussed in the Senate ratification 
hearings, with Dean Rusk testifying that ``informal forces'' would also 
be prohibited under the Treaty.\9\ (The question of Chinese influence 
over the canal was already discussed with concern by Senator Joe Biden 
during the mark-up hearings on the treaty.) Thus, the ostensible 
civilian character of the Chinese presence around the Canal does not 
mean China cannot be involved in violations of the treaty if, for 
example, the civilian presence includes agents of Chinese intelligence 
or security forces. It would hardly be surprising if these companies 
included agents of Chinese security services, but this is of course a 
factual matter.
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    \9\ Supra note 3 at 539-40 (statement of Dean Rusk, U.S. Sec. of 
State).
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Who Determines Neutrality Violations
    The operations of Chinese companies have apparently not compromised 
traffic through the Canal in any way at this point. But the treaty is 
not merely violated when transit through the Canal is obstructed in 
wartime--indeed, such a treaty would leave the United States with no 
recourse until it is too late.
    This leads to the question of who determines whether neutrality is 
being threatened or compromised. Under international law, states 
determine for themselves the meaning of their treaty obligations unless 
a dispute resolution mechanism is provided for. Unlike many other 
treaties, the Neutrality Treaty provides no clause referring disputes 
to some form of third-party resolution.
    Instead, the treaty makes clear that each party determines for 
itself the existence of a violation. First, Article IV provides that 
each party is separately authorized to ``maintain'' the regime of 
neutrality. The Carter-Herrera Declaration, which is part of the full 
treaty, makes clear that both countries have ``the responsibility'' to 
``defend the canal against any threat to the regime of neutrality.'' 
\10\ This is far from the language of the U.N. Charter, which requires 
an ``armed attack'' to trigger a right of self-defense--and even that 
language the United States interprets as allowing for preemptive self-
defense. By contrast, the Neutrality Treaty makes explicit that the 
United States can act when it deems the neutral operation of the Canal 
threatened--that is, when the danger is still inchoate.
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    \10\ Joint Statement of Understanding Issued Following a Meeting 
Between the President and Brigadier General Omar Torrijos Herrera of 
Panama (Oct. 14, 1977).
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    The Senate ratification amendments also indicate that ``each of the 
two countries'' shall separately be entitled to defend the neutrality 
regime. Indeed, this is the only plausible interpretation, as a 
requirement of joint-decision making would allow Panama to veto any 
U.S. action and violate the neutrality regime with impunity. Similarly, 
the Senate's understandings accompanying ratification make clear that 
Article V allows each party to take ``unilateral action.'' Senator 
Jacob Javits said at the mark-up hearings that, while the word 
``unilateral'' is abrasive, ``we can decide that the regime of 
neutrality is being threatened and then act with whatever means are 
necessary to keep the canal neutral.'' \11\
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    \11\ Hearings on Neutrality Treaty Before the S. Foreign Relations 
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How Neutrality Is Enforced
    There is no doubt that the treaty authorizes the use of force 
against threats to the neutrality of the Canal. This was a matter of 
general consensus in the ratification debates and is made explicit in 
the conditions attached by the Senate to the ratification. The 
Statement of Understanding issued by the United States and Panama also 
makes this clear, adding the limitation that any use of force many not 
be directed against the ``territorial integrity or political 
independence of Panama.'' This phrasing means that while the treaty 
authorizes (but does not require) military force to remove threats to 
the neutrality of the Canal, such force can be used only as for as 
required to remove the threat. The treaty does not provide a basis for 
the reconquest of the Canal on a permanent basis.
    The fact that the treaty allows the use of military force--in 
contexts when it would otherwise have been forbidden by international 
law--does not mean this should be the first recourse. Needless to say, 
any resort to arms should be not taken lightly and should only follow 
the failure of diplomacy. And as the Statement of Understanding notes, 
the treaty's allowance for military action does not substitute for the 
satisfaction of the ``constitutional processes'' of each party, which 
for us may, depending on the circumstances, require congressional 
authorization.
    Senators, thank you for your attention.
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    The Chairman. Thank you, Professor.
    Our final witness, World Shipping Council CEO, Joseph 
Kramek, can discuss the challenges faced by container lines 
moving goods to or from America through the Panama Canal.
    Mr. Kramek, you are recognized for your opening statement.

 STATEMENT OF JOSEPH KRAMEK, PRESIDENT AND CEO, WORLD SHIPPING 
                            COUNCIL

    Mr. Kramek. Thank you, Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member 
Cantwell, and members of the Committee.
    My name is Joe Kramek. I am President and CEO of the World 
Shipping Council.
    The World Shipping Council is the global voice of the liner 
shipping. Our membership consists of 90 percent of the world's 
liner shipping tonnage, which are container vessels and vehicle 
carriers. They operate on fixed schedules to provide our 
customers with regular service to ship their goods in ports 
throughout the world. Our focus is on sustainable, safe, and 
secure international ocean transportation.
    Nothing could be more important to the U.S. economy and WSC 
member lines who carry the trade that supports the U.S. 
economy, than a sustainable, safe, and secure Panama Canal. As 
you have heard, using the Panama Canal to transit between the 
Atlantic and Pacific saves significant time and money. A 
typical voyage from Asia to the U.S. or East Coast can be made 
in under 30 days using the Canal, while the same journey can 
take up to 40 days if carriers must take alternate routes.
    From a commercial trade perspective, the big picture is 
this: One of the world's busiest trade lanes is the Trans-
Pacific. The Trans-Pacific is cargo coming from and going to 
Asia via the United States. Focusing in a bit, cargo coming 
from Asia and bound for U.S. Gulf and East Coast ports always 
transits the Panama Canal, similarly, cargo being exported from 
U.S. and East Coast ports, a large share of which are U.S. 
agricultural exports like soybeans, corn, cotton, livestock, 
and dairy also almost always transits the Panama Canal.
    The result is that 75 percent of canal traffic originates 
in or is bound for the United States. Some examples include the 
Port of Houston ships--exports $14 billion in containerized 
trade to Asia. The Port of New Orleans exported $27 billion in 
seaborne trade to Asia, not all of which was on container 
vessels. The Port of New York and New Jersey exported $16.5 
billion to Asia. And the Port of Savannah exported $13 billion 
to Asia.
    Our member lines are the largest users of the Panama Canal, 
and we carry the bulk of this trade. Global ocean trade is 
always facing challenges, as you have heard, and the Panama 
Canal is no exception. We have talked about the drought in 2023 
and the historic low water levels that it caused in Lake Gatun, 
which feeds the Canal locks, a unique system that is a 
freshwater feed as a result as contrasted to an ocean-to-ocean 
system, which the French tried and failed, but which is 
actually active in the Suez Canal.
    These low water levels reduce transits from 36 transits a 
day to as low as 22 per day. Additionally, the low water levels 
required a reduction in maximum allowable draft levels or the 
depth of the ship below the water line which, for our members, 
reduced the amount of containers they could carry through the 
Canal.
    This resulted in a 10 percent reduction in import volumes 
for U.S. Gulf and East Coast ports, with the Port of Houston 
experiencing a 26.7 percent reduction.
    Looking forward, the volume of containerized trade coming 
into the United States remains at near record levels and 
continues to expand. 2024 numbers are just out, and the inbound 
trade to the U.S. expanded 15 percent, which is second only to 
the 17.5 percent inbound traffic we experienced during the 
pandemic-driven demand.
    Just yesterday, the Port of Houston reported record-
breaking trade volumes with an 8 percent increase. More 
broadly, WSC member lines have transported 1. (sic) trillion in 
goods to and from U.S. ports, which represents 64 percent of 
all seaborne trade, contributed 2 trillion in economic output 
to the United States, supported 6.4 million U.S. jobs, and over 
$442 billion in wages and salaries.
    These goods are the clothes on your back, the shoes on your 
feet, and the phones likely in your hands or on your dais. WSC 
members look forward to working with the Committee on 
maintaining the sustainability, safety, and security of the 
Panama Canal.
    It is a vital ocean artery critical to U.S. trade. The 
record volume of cargo that our members continue to carry 
demonstrates our commitment.
    We appreciate the Committee's continuing support, 
commitment to the liner shipping industry, the U.S. maritime 
industry. And I look forward to answering your questions.
    Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Kramek follows:]

         Prepared Statement of Joe Kramek, President and CEO, 
                         World Shipping Council
Introduction
    Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member Cantwell, and members of the 
Committee, thank you for the invitation to testify today. My name is 
Joe Kramek. I am President and CEO of the World Shipping Council 
(``WSC''). WSC is a non-profit global trade association whose goal is 
to provide a coordinated voice for the liner shipping industry in its 
work with policymakers, the public, and other industry groups with an 
interest in sustainable, safe and secure international transportation.
    WSC members are the international container ocean carriers and 
roll-on roll-off vehicle carriers that make global trade possible by 
offering cost efficient and effective transport for everything from raw 
materials, food, and machinery, to consumer goods like clothes, 
furniture, and electronics.
Liner Shipping--An Economic Engine of the United States
    Shipping delivers 80 percent of global trade by volume, and liner 
ships carry 64 percent of all U.S. seaborne trade. In 2023 alone, 
global liner shipping contributed just over $2 trillion to the economic 
output of the nation--transporting nearly $1.5 trillion in goods to and 
from U.S. ports.
    The liner shipping industry provides American importers and 
exporters with door-to-door delivery service for almost any commodity 
to and from roughly 190 countries.
    Approximately 1,100 ocean-going liner vessels, mostly 
containerships, make more than 18,000 calls at ports in the United 
States during a given year. The liner shipping industry supports, both 
directly and indirectly, 6.4 million U.S. jobs; with wages and salaries 
paid to U.S. workers amounting to just over $442 billion.
    WSC members' vessels calling on U.S. ports carry on average over 
7,000 twenty-foot equivalents (TEU)--amounting to about 36 million TEUs 
of international trade transported into or out of U.S. ports.\1\ Our 
members' largest vessels can carry 24,000 TEU at one time.
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    What makes liner shipping unique is that our vessels operate on 
regularly scheduled services with fixed routes--known as strings or 
loops--much like a bus or train service does. These regularly scheduled 
services provide our members' customers--U.S. importers and exporters 
including agricultural exporters and farmers--with a vessel in a 
particular port several times a week to receive and offload imports or 
load their exports.
    In 2024, U.S. container import volumes remained at near record 
levels, continuing a trend of higher year-on-year volumes, with 
December marking only the third time in history when imports exceeded 
2.3 million TEUs.\2\
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    These record volumes demonstrate WSC member lines' sustained 
commitment to serving the international trade of the United States.
Importance of the Panama Canal to the U.S. Trade and Economy
    The Panama Canal connects the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans running 
some 51 miles across the Isthmus of Panama. The original locks were 
completed in 1914 and can handle ships with a draft of 40 feet, a width 
of 106 feet, and a length of 965 feet--ships of this size have a 
maximum capacity of approximately 4,500 TEU.\3\ The new expanded locks 
were completed in 2016 and can handle ships with a draft of 50 feet, a 
width of 160 feet, and a length of 1200 feet--ships of this size are 
known as Neopanamax vessels and can carry in excess of 14,000 TEU.\4\ 
Uniquely, unlike other canals such as the Suez, the Panama Canal is fed 
by freshwater from Lake Gatun, and recent droughts have impacted canal 
water levels, resulting in reduced transits or vessel draft 
restrictions.
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Athanasios Pallis and Jean-Paul Routledge, available at Main Components 
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    The Panama Canal is strategically important to ocean liners 
servicing U.S. markets. The Canal handles about 5 percent of global 
maritime trade, and 75 percent of Panama Canal traffic either 
originates or is bound to the United States. Recently, more than 14,000 
transits through the Panama Canal were made in a single year.
    Use of the Panama Canal reduces transit time and the associated 
fuel costs that would otherwise be incurred to transit between the 
Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. The reduction in transit time and distance 
facilitates trade between East Asia and the East Coast of the United 
States, as well as between Europe and the West Coast of South America.
    An ocean carrier transiting from New York to Shanghai via the 
Panama Canal could complete this trip in 29 days using the Panama 
Canal, whereas not using the Panama Canal would require transit via 
Suez Canal or transiting around the Cape of Good Hope which would take 
34 or 39 days, respectively.
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    Similarly, a vessel transiting from Peru to New York would take 9 
days on average via the Panama Canal, and 26 days via Cape Horn.
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    Container liners are the largest users of the Panama Canal, 
accounting for 20 percent-25 percent of all transits, with 2,787 
transits in 2023, and 2,773 transits in 2024.
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    75 percent of all cargo transiting the canal originates in or is 
destined for the United States. In 2024 alone, nearly 100 million long 
tons of cargo originating in the United States (of which 93 percent 
originated in the Gulf or East Coast), and over 57 million long tons of 
cargo destined for the United States (of which 87 percent was destined 
for the Gulf or East Coast) passed through the Panama Canal.\5\
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    U.S. East and Gulf Coast imports and exports, by a large margin, 
are the most common goods transported through the Panama Canal.


    Exports to Asia from the U.S. Gulf and East Coast, also represent a 
significant market, for which the Panama Canal provides the fastest 
route.
    In 2023, the Port of Houston exported $13.9 billion in 
containerized trade to Asia--the largest commodity being plastics (or 
resins); and while not entirely containerized, the Port of New Orleans 
exported $26.9 billion in seaborne trade to Asia. In that same year 
along the East Coast, the Port of New York and New Jersey exported 
$16.4 billion in containerized commodities headed for Asia. This was 
closely followed by the Port of Savannah with their containerized 
exports to Asia valued at $13.1 billion--the top containerized exports 
being cotton and vehicles.
    The U.S. exported $71 billion in agriculture exports to Asia in 
2023, with the major containerized ports on the Gulf and East Coast 
being Norfolk, New York and New Jersey, Houston, and Savannah.
Panama Canal Administration, Tariff Schedule and Transit Options
    The Panama Canal is managed by the Panama Canal Authority (PCA). 
The PCA is an autonomous legal entity with the exclusive responsibility 
for the administration, operation, conservation, regulation, 
maintenance and modernization of the Canal. The PCA sets the tariffs 
schedule to transit the Canal and makes the fees available to the 
public on its website.\6\
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    Canal transit charges are based on, among other things, the size of 
the vessel, the lock to be used, and the cargo aboard the vessel. Prior 
to revising its tariff schedule, the PCA is required to provide 
interested parties an opportunity to participate in a public 
consultation process.
    There are several ways to arrange passage through the Panama 
Canal--advanced booking, regular transit and auctions. WSC members, 
because of the nature of liner shipping being on scheduled routes, 
largely book their passage in advance--which can be done up to a year 
in advance.
    Other types of shipping, such as product tankers or bulk vessels, 
tend to use ``regular transit'' because they receive their orders on a 
per trip basis (known as tramp shipping) and therefore can only book 
their canal transit slot once their destination is known. Vessels 
making regular transit books have their transit order determined by the 
PCA, and may have to wait several days until their transit slot is 
available.
    Transit slots may also be arranged via auction. While typically 
more costly, the auction process does provide a unique service where 
vessels with high priority cargos, who do not have advanced booking 
slots, and do not wish to wait for slot availability, can bid for 
immediate availability. The PCA typically keeps two extra slots open 
per day for auction customers. In August 2024, the PCA implemented a 
new system for the larger Neopanamax locks--called long term slot 
allocation system (LoTSA)--which is a blind tender bid process starting 
at $200,000, that allows parties to bid for remaining Neopanamax slots.
Panama Canal--Low Water Level Impacts 2023-2024
    The Panama Canal locks are fed by fresh water from Lake Gatun. The 
rainy season in Panama runs from May to November. However, in 2023, 
Panama experienced a severe drought, which led to historic low water 
levels in Lake Gatun, resulting in the PCA reducing transits through 
the canal from 36 to as low as 22 per day--ultimately reducing
    yearly transits by 20 percent.\7\ In addition, the PCA reduced the 
maximum allowable draft (i.e., the vertical distance between the 
waterline and the lowest point of the vessel) from 50 feet to 44 feet 
for Neopanamax vessels, to conserve water.\8\
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Canal? Prepare for a long wait, available at https://
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    The low water levels had significant impacts on global shipping. 
The impacts on liner shipping resulted in an almost 10 percent 
reduction in import volumes for U.S. Gulf and East Coast Ports, with 
the Port of Houston experiencing a 26.7 percent reduction.\9\
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    Overall, however, liner shipping experienced the least impact of 
all vessel sectors, because as discussed above, container liners booked 
advanced slot reservations which were honored by the PCA. The average 
wait time for container vessels transiting from North to South 
(Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean) did not exceed 1.5 days. For 
container vessels transiting from South to the North (Pacific to 
Atlantic) the average wait time did not exceed 1.8 days. Some liner 
companies also elected to move a portion of their loaded containers via 
rail across Panama and retrieve them on the opposite side, as a means 
of dealing with draft restrictions.


Facilitating Transshipment--Major Container Ports in Panama
    Prior to the mid-1990s, Panamanian ports handled small container 
volumes--under 200,000 TEU--and most of those were for domestic use. 
However, between 1995 and 2002, a time corresponding to the initial 
privatization of ports, new container facilities were built in Panama--
thereby starting the process of making Panama a major regional 
transshipment hub.
    Transshipment is the process of transferring containers from one 
vessel to another at an intermediate port. This method is critical to 
container shipping as it optimizes shipping routes and reduces costs--
allowing goods to be routed efficiently to their final destination. The 
main container terminal facilities on the Atlantic side of Panama are 
the Manzanillo International Terminals, and the Colon Container 
Terminal--privatized in 1995 and 1997, respectively. On the Pacific 
side of Panama, the major ports are the Port of Balboa (privatized in 
1997) and the PSA Panama International Terminal (opening and privatized 
in 2011).
    From 2002 through 2011 the Port of Balboa made significant gains in 
the number of TEUs handled--signaling the emergent transshipment 
function that Panama plays in the transpacific and west coast of Latin 
America trade. Thereafter from 2012 through today, ports in Panama have 
increased their transshipment capability with the PSA Panama 
International Terminal starting with an initial container capacity of 
250,000 TEU in 2012 and expanding that capacity to 2 million TEU in 
2017.\10\ All told, collectively, container traffic handled at the main 
container ports in Panama exceeded 8 million TEU in 2021 and 2022. The 
drop in 2023 is attributed to the aforementioned drought.\11\
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Conclusion
    Thank you for the opportunity to discuss WSC member lines' 
contributions to the U.S. economy and our industry's use of the Panama 
Canal. WSC members appreciate the Committee's continuing support and 
commitment to the liner shipping and maritime industry, and I look 
forward to any questions you and the members of the Committee may have.

    The Chairman. Thank you very much. We will now move to 
questioning.
    I want to start, Chairman Sola, Commissioner Maffei: Are 
you aware of allegations from some vessel operators of 
disparate treatment, such as sweetheart deals or favorable 
rebates, by Panama for canal transits?
    Mr. Sola. Thank you for the question, Mr. Chairman. We have 
become aware through some complaints by cruise lines that said 
that they were not getting a refund of their canal tolls. When 
we looked into this, we found a Panamanian Executive Order 
Decree 73, that specifically says that if a cruise line would 
stop at a certain port, that they could be refunded 100 percent 
of the fees. As far as I know, that is the only instance where 
that exists.
    Mr. Maffei. We continue to look into it. But the cruise 
ships is the one area where we have found something that would 
fit that bill, I think, in general.
    The Chairman. Some press coverage says the Panama Canal is 
nominally independent, even though it provides a large share of 
the Panamanian Government's revenue. Chairman Sola, briefly, 
can you describe how the FMC views the Canal authority and the 
Panamanian Government? Are they distinct entities or a single 
foreign government apparatus that controls the Panama Canal?
    Mr. Sola. Mr. Chairman, our law is clear. It comes from the 
Merchant Marine Act of 1920 that there is only one entity. And 
in addition to that, that our predecessor at the Federal 
Maritime Commission was the U.S. Shipping Board, it was formed 
in 1916 in direct result of the Panama Canal. The very first 
chairman of that was George Washington Goethals, which was the 
very first administrator of the Canal. We look at it as one 
entity.
    Mr. Maffei. Yes. If I might just add, Mr. Chairman?
    The Chairman. Sure.
    Mr. Maffei. It is sort of like the Georgia Ports Authority 
and the State of Georgia. The Georgia Ports Authority is 
clearly independent. It can do its own bonds, it has got 
independent governance. But ultimately, Georgia is responsible 
for it, the State of Georgia.
    The Chairman. Right. So Panama was the very first Latin 
American country to join China's Belt and Road Initiative. And 
right now, China is building a fourth bridge across the Panama 
Canal for car traffic and light rail.
    Chairman Sola, why should Chinese construction of a bridge 
near Panama City concern the United States?
    Mr. Sola. Mr. Chairman, we all saw the tragedy that 
happened here in the Francis Scott Key Bridge incident and the 
devastation that had happened to Baltimore. We also saw 
recently what happened in the Suez Canal, where we had a ship 
get stuck in there. It is not only the construction of the 
bridge, but it is a removal of a bridge, as I understand it, 
called the Bridge of the Americas, it was built in 1961, and 
that would paralyze cargo traffic in and out of the Canal.
    The Chairman. Panama also recently renewed the concessions 
for two container ports to a Chinese company, Hutchison Ports 
PPC. Of course, Chinese companies are controlled by the 
Communist Party. How does China use control of those ports for 
economic gain?
    Mr. Sola. Mr. Chairman, I am a regulator, a competition 
regulator, and the Chinese ports that you are referring to, let 
me put them into scope. The one on the Pacific, the Port of 
Balboa, is roughly the same size as the Port of Houston. They 
do about 4 million containers a year. They have about 28 gantry 
cranes. The one on the Atlantic is the same as my hometown of 
Miami. They do about 1 million containers. So where Roger 
Guenther in the Port of Houston generates about $1 billion a 
year, and Hydi Webb in Miami does about $200 million, the 
Panama Ports company paid zero, zero for 20 years on that 
concession.
    It is really hard to compete against zero. So I think that 
is our concern, our economic concern that we would have.
    The Chairman. Commissioner Maffei, anything to add on that?
    Mr. Maffei. Yes. I do, too, also think it is important. And 
I would point out that you do not have to stop at either port. 
It is not like these two ports control the entrance to the 
Canal. That is the Canal Authority that does control that. 
However, I think it is of concern. I would also point out that 
the Panamanian Government thinks it is of concern, too, because 
they are conducting their audit of those particular deals. But 
we remain very interested as well.
    The Chairman. So Professor Kontorovich, I want to turn to 
the treaty. So President Trump has made important arguments, 
both the Chinese control over canal infrastructure and 
exorbitant fees charged for canal transits are violations of 
the Neutrality Treaty.
    I want to highlight three specific provisions that you 
mentioned in your opening statement. Article IV of the 
neutrality treatment requires both the United States and Panama 
to establish and maintain ``A regime of neutrality''.
    Article V limits any foreign control by providing, ``Only 
the Republic of Panama shall operate the Canal and maintain 
military forces, defense sites, and military installations 
within its national territory''.
    And finally, Article 3(1)(c) requires that, ``Tolls and 
other charges be just, reasonable, equitable, and consistent 
with the principles of international law.'' In your opinion, as 
an expert in international law, could the facts discussed here 
be considered violations of the Neutrality Treaty in force 
right now between the United States and Panama?
    Mr. Kontorovich. So I think, Senator, I think potentially 
they could, but it is impossible to say definitively without 
knowing more, in particular about the degree of Chinese control 
and involvement in these companies. I think it is important to 
note that these port operation companies that operate the ports 
on both sides, when they received their first contract, it was 
just a few months before Hong Kong was handed over to China.
    In other words, they received them as British companies, 
sort of very oddly, just a few months before the handover. Now, 
of course, since then, Hong Kong has incorporated--been 
incorporated into China, has been placed under a Special 
National Security regime, and the independence of those 
companies has been greatly abridged. To say nothing of state-
owned companies involved elsewhere in the Canal area, which 
raise significantly greater questions.
    Additionally, I should point out that the understandings 
between President Carter and Panamanian Leader Herrera, which 
were attached to the treaty and formed part of the treaty, 
provide that the United States can, ``Defend the Canal against 
any threat to the regime of neutrality''. And I understand that 
as providing some degree of preemptive authority to intervene, 
one need not wait until the Canal is actually closed by some 
act of sabotage or aggression, which, as we heard from the 
testimony, would be devastating to the United States. But there 
is some incipient ability to address potential violations.
    The Chairman. And your final point there leads to my last 
question, which is, if the United States determines that Panama 
is in violation of the treaty, what remedies, what is the range 
of remedies the United States would have for that treaty 
violation?
    Mr. Kontorovich. So I think it may be shocking to people to 
hear today, but when one goes over the ratification history and 
the debates and discussions in this body over this treaty, it 
was clear that the treaty was understood as giving both sides, 
separately, the right to resort to use armed force to enforce 
the provisions of the treaty.
    And it is not so surprising when one understands that the 
United States made an extraordinary concession to Panama by 
transferring this canal, which the United States built at great 
expense, and maintained, and operated, to Panama, gratis. And 
in exchange, it received a kind of limitation, a permanent 
limitation on Panamanian sovereignty, that Panama agreed that 
the United States could enforce this regime of neutrality by 
force.
    Now, of course, armed force should never be the first 
recourse for any kind of international dispute, and should not 
be arrived at sort of rashly, or before negotiations and other 
kinds of good offices are exhausted. But it is quite clear that 
the treaty contemplates that as a remedy for violations.
    The Chairman. Thank you very much.
    Ranking Member Cantwell.
    Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Kramek, I think costs are critical. When you think 
about it, we are here discussing costs. Why? Because consumers 
pay more when shipping costs are higher, whether their--or our 
farmers who are trying to export their products, as we saw 
during COVID, are literally our products getting left on the 
docks. And importers are paying more if shipping costs are too 
high.
    So when we look at these incidents that we now see in our 
supply chain, and we had our own incident in Seattle where a 
container ship lost power and was careening toward our big 
Ferris wheel in the downtown, right next to our ferry terminal; 
luckily, some ferry, a passenger ferry vessels were able to 
push the tug from, you know, out of the direct path of severe 
devastation.
    So now we mentioned Suez Canal, we mentioned Baltimore. We 
have our own Seattle experience. What do we need to do to make 
sure, on the cost side, that we are not--that we are making the 
right investments from a security level to make sure that these 
kinds of incidents that can do great harm do not happen?
    And Commissioner Sola, since you were at U.S. Southern 
Command, what do you think we need to do to renegotiate or to 
have a conversation with the Panamanians about the security 
level that we think needs to exist in Panama with this close 
proximity?
    And Mr. Maffei, this audit, will the audit lead to a 
discussion with Panama about those contracts? As I have said in 
my opening statement, I believe we should be very aggressive 
about U.S. involvement here and in Latin America. I think 
Panama represents one of our--the biggest U.S. supporters in 
that region. But we should engage to get this right, both on 
the cost side and on the security side.
    So if I could just hear your comments on each of those.
    Mr. Kramek. Thank you, Senator Cantwell. Well, certainly 
even one incident is unacceptable from a safety perspective 
that you are citing. Our members work tremendously hard with 
the International Maritime Organization, the U.S. Coast Guard, 
and other entities to try to have the safest operations 
possible. But accidents do occur. They are rare if you really, 
if you count the number of some 7,000 port visits a year. But 
again, one is unacceptable.
    So continued investment, obviously, in U.S. infrastructure 
and a review, I mean, we have a lot of old infrastructure as 
the tragic incident in Baltimore illustrated, unfortunately, 
when we have these bridges that need a hard look to whether or 
not they need additional fendering systems, and the like. And 
investments in our ports and infrastructure can be helpful 
along those lines as well.
    And for our members, I can assure you that they continue to 
invest in the latest technology. We have over 600 new ships on 
order with some of the latest technology in the world. So we 
are playing our role with this----
    Senator Cantwell. And I want the U.S. to get a big portion 
of that. That is why we need to reinvigorate.
    Mr. Kramek. Yes, ma'am.
    Senator Cantwell. Commissioner Sola, what about just a new 
U.S. Southern Command, U.S. Government conversation with the 
Canal Authorities and the Government about the security level 
that we seek?
    Mr. Sola. Thank you very much, Senator. First of all, the 
airborne wing that I am wearing today is decorative. I have not 
worn a uniform in 35 years. So this is my personal experience 
here.
    I believe that the security of the Canal has always been 
understood to be provided by the United States. Panama does not 
have a military, and I always believe that there has been a 
close relationship with Southern Command that we would provide 
that. And it would be nice to see if we had a formalization of 
that in one way or another, because I do not believe that it is 
in the treaty at all.
    Senator Cantwell. OK, so formalization of maybe a 
cybersecurity agreement? You see, I am thinking this is--you 
have accidents, and then you have larger cybersecurity issues 
that you just have to be on top of. And what I do not like 
about anybody that has a back door is, I am for the United 
States advocating, do not buy from people who have a government 
back door. Do not do it. Because what are you going to do? At 
some point in time, you are going to regret that.
    Commissioner Maffei, what about this audit, and could we 
push Panama on these issues of looking at closer U.S.----
    Mr. Maffei. You mean, yes----
    Senator Cantwell.--infrastructure instead, particularly 
since, you know, the sea change here is like what everybody 
said? Like everybody thought this was Hong Kong, then it turned 
into China. We did not have an ambassador after that. Next 
thing you know, they have made more aggressive postures.
    They are making aggressive postures everywhere. That is why 
the United States saying no government back doors in technology 
and getting five other technology nations and democracies to 
say the same thing and evangelize that every day is going to 
help us.
    Mr. Maffei. Yes.
    Senator Cantwell. And so is the investment. But what about 
getting the stevedoring business or some of that back into 
proximity under the audit?
    Mr. Maffei. Well, it is the Panama Comptroller's Office and 
they are investigating, you know, contracts at Panamanian 
ports. And we do not have any jurisdiction over Panamanian 
ports, per se.
    But your broader point, I think, is very, very important. 
While we were down there, both of us heard, I think, several 
times, that the Panamanians would--the ones we talked to 
anyway, would welcome U.S. companies coming in and doing a lot 
of this work. Frankly, their bids are not competitive with the 
Chinese bids. Frankly, they are not that existent because the 
U.S. companies can make more money doing things other places.
    But even if they were existent, it is difficult to put 
competitive bids when the Chinese bids are so heavily 
subsidized by China. So you are absolutely right. This is a 
problem and it is a problem in many, many other areas of the 
world that we can get into if you want in subsequent questions. 
But that is the concern.
    Senator Cantwell. I think my time has expired, but I think 
my major point is, let us be a big maritime powerhouse. Let us 
revitalize our supply chains, drive down costs for consumers, 
and secure what we need to secure.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Cantwell.
    And very quickly, Commissioner Maffei, you talked about the 
Chinese bids were heavily subsidized by the Chinese Government. 
What would China's incentive be to heavily subsidize those bids 
to undercut American companies and other companies?
    Mr. Maffei. Yes, and so it is not a real short answer, but 
Senator, China has made no secret of its ambitious policies to 
gain influence at ports throughout the globe. It has invested 
in 129 ports in dozens of countries. It runs a majority of 17 
ports. That does not include this Hong Kong company, right, so 
that is just directly, direct Chinese-owned ports.
    So it has been a part of their Belt and Road Strategy, 
whatever you want to call it, the Maritime Silk Road for 
decades. So they believe that this influence, this investment 
in owning maritime ports is important to their economy.
    The Chairman. Senator Fischer.

                STATEMENT OF HON. DEB FISCHER, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM NEBRASKA

    Senator Fischer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to 
follow up on the ports and where we are on that. In 2021, 
Hutchinson was awarded those two ports, Port Balboa and Port 
Cristobal, in a no-bid award process. Can you tell me, does the 
United States have any authority or recourse with the Panama 
Canal Authority under our current agreement with Panama to re-
bid those terminal concession contracts? And perhaps, Mr. 
Kontorovich, that is more in your purview?
    Mr. Sola. Senator----
    Mr. Kontorovich. Senator Fischer----
    Mr. Sola. Both of those ports were redone for 25 years, 
until 2047, if I believe. And they have to pay $7 million, is 
what the ongoing rate is for the Port of Houston and the Port 
of Miami size concessions. As far----
    Senator Fischer. And it cannot be rebid until after that 
date?
    Mr. Sola. Well, I believe that that is what the 
Comptroller's Office is auditing, both of those ports and that 
contract. And that was done under the previous Panamanian 
administration. A new administration came in and they called 
for an audit of that contract immediately.
    Senator Fischer. Mr. Maffei, you were talking about how to 
incentivize, perhaps incentivize companies from the United 
States to be able to participate in a bid process that does not 
seem to be reasonable. And do you think that the Panamanians 
would welcome viable alternatives? Are we in that position yet?
    Mr. Maffei. Senator, let me first say that this is outside 
the scope of what the Federal Maritime Commission does. But 
having gone there, having looked at this issue very carefully, 
I think it would--it is very important. It was mentioned 
actually, Senator Cantwell just mentioned EXIM Bank programs.
    So it is not like this does not happen. But it certainly 
has not been a huge priority of the United States to try to, if 
you will, match these bids, to create programs widely available 
to U.S. firms in order to put together more competitive bids in 
these countries, where some of their domestic laws, I am not 
sure about Panama, but some of their domestic laws actually 
require that you go to the lowest bidder sometimes, just as 
ours do.
    So yes, I think if you are looking for places to do--U.S. 
policy to counter this, I think you definitely want to look at 
whether the United States should be, for strategic and economic 
reasons, investing in infrastructure, in important maritime 
locations all over the world.
    China certainly has done that. And they have been doing it 
for 20 years, and it is a cow that has long left the barn.
    Senator Fischer. You mentioned investing in infrastructure. 
I was at the Panama Canal in 2023, and I learned at that time 
about the loss of fresh water with each ship movement through 
the Canal.
    You talked about the drought, sir, in your opening 
comments. Fresh water is vital to the workings with the Canal. 
How effective do you think investments in increasing that fresh 
water storage are? Are they happening? Are they viable? You 
touched on it briefly in your opening comments, but how do we 
see those investments happening so that we can have operational 
stability?
    Mr. Maffei. Yes. That is a good question, a bit out of my 
purview, but I will say that there are several investments. 
There is water reclamation, pumping water up, et cetera, but 
the main thing, the main plan that the U.S. Army Corps of 
Engineers has helped the Panamanian Authority develop involves 
another basic expansion of bringing in even more water at an 
elevation that you could then use to continue the Canal. Now, 
there is a lot of issues with implementing that, not the least 
of which being indigenous people in those areas.
    Not a huge number, but certainly towns, and thanks, and 
negotiating that and all sorts of other issues, just as if it 
was in the United States, there would be issues, but it is a 
very--it is viable. In that part of the world, you can make 
more fresh water available to make the Canal not have to be 
limited. However, it takes time, and there will at least be one 
more incidence of severe limitations before that occurs unless 
we get really, really lucky, and there could be more than that.
    Senator Fischer. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    The Chairman. Thank you. Senator Blunt Rochester.

            STATEMENT OF HON. LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM DELAWARE

    Senator Blunt Rochester. Thank you Chairman Cruz, and 
Ranking Member Cantwell.
    At the heart of this hearing is a fundamental question 
about how the U.S. will compete on the world stage and maintain 
our national security. These are the questions that will define 
the future of this country.
    For American families to see lower prices and better 
economic opportunities, we have to meet this moment honestly 
and seriously, and I am proud to have joined Senators Cantwell 
and Blackburn to reintroduce the bipartisan Promoting Resilient 
Supply Chains Act, a legislation that I led and authored in the 
House.
    This bill ensures that we have a national strategy to 
address our broken supply chains, whether it is a bridge 
collapse, a major global conflict, or unions striking for their 
rights. Interruptions and disruptions to our supply chains 
severely impact our economy. Our bipartisan legislation tackles 
this issue by elevating supply chains, like the disruptions at 
the Panama Canal, to be proactive and strategic.
    It helps us understand how we strengthen our ties with our 
friends and allies instead of pushing them into the arms of our 
competitors. I agree with Ranking Member Cantwell that we 
should have a hearing on how we compete with countries like 
China, and I have grave concerns about China's global 
infrastructure investments and any cyber threats to the U.S., 
addressing these are our national security interests.
    With that, I would like to shift to my first line of 
questioning, and it is for you, Captain Kramek. It is no secret 
that the Canal has had issues due to droughts, nor is the 
increasingly frequent drought a new phenomenon. Do you believe 
the Panama Canal Authority did enough to anticipate the issues 
impacting the Canal's operation?
    Mr. Kramek. Senator Blunt-Rochester, thanks for your 
question. They did the best, I guess, with the information that 
they had. I do not know that they anticipated a drought of that 
magnitude.
    I would say, going forward, with what Commissioner Maffei 
just discussed about the development of a second reservoir to 
feed into Lake Gatun and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers doing 
a feasibility review of that project, as well as some other 
projects that were mentioned, that that seems to be a good path 
forward in terms of resiliency of the Panama Canal and making 
it a viable waterway for 2050 and beyond.
    Senator Blunt Rochester. I think part of the challenge is 
that it was recently started and time is of the essence. Did 
you think that the Canal Authority considered the obvious 
impacts from drought in its planning?
    Mr. Kramek. Senator Blunt Rochester, I do not have that 
information on what they considered.
    Senator Blunt Rochester. It is clear that the Canal 
Authority knew that this would have an impact on shipping and 
that enough had not been done to address it. Now that we are 
faced with this impact, what do you think the Canal Authority 
needs to do expeditiously to bring the Canal back into full 
authority and full operation?
    Mr. Kramek. So they are back to full operation, is my 
understanding. Traffic is flowing well. But looking forward, I 
think it is taking a hard look at some of these infrastructure 
projects to make the Canal more viable, like I mentioned.
    Senator Blunt Rochester. The Port of Wilmington is in my 
state. We are very proud of it. It is one of the leading 
importers of fruits. The delays through the Canal have an 
outsized impact on perishable goods like those that my port 
handles. Do you believe the Canal Authority can and should 
prioritize perishable goods? Or provide some other solution to 
support perishable goods? And anyone on the panel can answer 
that.
    Mr. Maffei. Yes, ma'am. Let me address your question, 
because I am not sure it is my place to exactly answer it. But 
you are quite right. So one of the complaints that we have 
heard is from container shippers, mostly exporters that export 
goods, as you say, and many other commodities, too, are 
sensitive, either because of market conditions such as cotton, 
or because of actual perishability of the product, such as what 
you mentioned.
    However, they are on container ships, and most of the cargo 
on the container ship is less time-sensitive. In the bidding 
process that the Panamanian Canal Authority developed in order, 
when they did have to ration these slots, it was a bidding 
process, and the highest bidder got the first slot, got the 
less of a delay.
    The challenge there is every kind of commodity, and every 
kind of ship was bidding, so liquid natural gas, which is 
extraordinarily, all the cargo on that ship is both 
extraordinarily valuable, not that your agricultural 
commodities are not valuable, but compared pound for pound to 
the LNG, and very, very--I mean, it is out, you know, there is 
a--you are losing volume every delay. So they would far outbid 
the container shippers.
    Now, whether or not there is something that can be done 
specifically to help these container, I am not sure we have 
been looking into that, but it does remain a large concern is, 
how do we figure out a way for these agricultural shippers who 
are, you know, not the main players on these ships, but part of 
it, an important part of it, particularly for the United 
States.
    So you bring up a great question. I wish I had a better 
answer, but.
    Senator Blunt Rochester. Thank you for your answer. I will 
be submitting some questions for the record because I know my 
time has run out, and I really want to understand also what we 
can do, as the United States, in terms of us being able to bid 
and be competitive in these bids. What can we do better?
    So I will be submitting questions for the record. Thank 
you, Mr. Chairman, and I yield back.
    The Chairman. Thank you.
    Senator Sullivan.

                STATEMENT OF HON. DAN SULLIVAN, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM ALASKA

    Senator Sullivan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for this 
important hearing. And I appreciate the witnesses.
    I have questions, for now primarily focused on Chairman 
Sola and Professor Kontorovich. So let us just--the setting in 
which you testified, two Chinese companies operate the two huge 
ports on both ends of the Panama Canal, and the concession for 
these ports were extended in 2021 for a 25-year period without 
any bidding, is that correct?
    Mr. Sola. That is correct, Senator.
    Senator Sullivan. OK, so it was clearly a sweetheart deal, 
correct?
    Mr. Sola. According to the press releases, the company paid 
back taxes of $150 million.
    Senator Sullivan. And the Panama Deputy Attorney General 
has now objected to that. That is my understanding. Is that 
correct?
    Mr. Sola. The Comptroller of the country has asked for an 
audit of----
    Senator Sullivan. But someone objected to it when it was 
going on, a lot in Panama?
    Mr. Sola. A lot of people objected to it.
    Senator Sullivan. So Chinese Communist Party officials are 
known to bribe other officials in countries all around the 
world. We know that, they do it all the time. No offense to 
Panama, but they do not have the greatest reputation of having 
officials who are not on the take.
    So is there any evidence that the Chinese bribed people for 
this great concession? And if so, Professor, would that be a 
violation of the treaty? Let us assume we find evidence that 
Chinese Communist Party officials bribed Panama officials for 
this sweetheart deal, would that be a--and I think it is 
probably likely because the Chinese do this everywhere--would 
that be a violation of this treaty?
    Mr. Kontorovich. So in itself, that would not be a 
violation. What would be a violation is actual threats to the 
operation of the Canal.
    Senator Sullivan. OK.
    Mr. Kontorovich. However, to the extent that the Chinese 
Government was involved in procuring these contracts, it 
strongly, it provides sort of additional support for the notion 
that these companies are serving some kind of governmental 
interest. And that would not be a violation itself.
    Senator Sullivan. All right. Let us say--I do not want to--
sorry to interrupt.
    Mr. Kontorovich. There would be circumstantial evidence to 
support it.
    Senator Sullivan. Let me get to the issue of threats. Let 
us assume the PRC, the PLA invaded Taiwan, or invaded the 
Philippines, or went to war somewhere in the South China Sea, 
and we were surging our Navy to the Indo-Pacific through the 
Panama Canal. Are the companies now controlling both sides of 
the Panama Canal, the Chinese companies, subject to the PRC's 
National Security Laws that mandate cooperation with the 
military, with state intelligence agencies? Does anyone know 
that?
    Professor, do you know that?
    Mr. Kontorovich. They are subject all the time.
    Senator Sullivan. Do you know that----
    Mr. Kontorovich. They are subject to those--they are 
subject to those laws all the time by virtue of being Hong Kong 
companies. And you know, they face, of course, consequences for 
not complying with the wishes of the Chinese Government, and 
one of the companies----
    Senator Sullivan. And would not that be a--would not that 
be a violation of the treaty? And isn't that a huge risk to us 
right now that the Chinese, the PLA invaded----
    Mr. Kontorovich. So that is a threat to be in the 
neutrality.
    Senator Sullivan. They invaded Taiwan, invaded the 
Philippines. They could go to these two companies saying, hey, 
shut it down, make it hard, sink a ship in the Canal. And 
wouldn't they be obligated to do that under Chinese law if they 
were ordered to by the PLA or the CCP?
    Mr. Kontorovich. I do not know if they would be obligated, 
but certainly the People's Republic of China would have many 
tools of leverage and pressure on these companies. That is why 
the treaty specifically says that we can act not just to end 
actual obstructions to the Canal. We do not have to wait until 
the Canal is closed by hostile military action. That would be a 
suicide pact. That would be catastrophic for us.
    But rather that we can respond at the inchoate, incipient 
level to threats. And then this is up to the President to 
determine whether this is significantly robust to constitute 
any threat.
    Senator Sullivan. So Professor, aren't we kind of walking 
up to the idea of a suicide pact, because we have got two big 
Chinese companies on both ends of the Panama Canal who, if 
there is a war, INDOPACOM, Taiwan that involves us and China, 
these companies would be obligated to do the bidding of the 
Chinese Communist Party and PLA? I mean, isn't that--aren't we 
kind of walking up to a very significant national security 
threat already?
    Mr. Kontorovich. Certainly there is a threat. And I think 
what makes the action of the Chinese Government so difficult to 
respond to, but important to respond to, is that they conceal 
this in sort of levels of gray, right, without direct control.
    Senator Sullivan. Yes. Well, let me ask you on that topic, 
this is my last question, Professor. Let us assume that we find 
out, and again, it would not be surprising. I think you can 
almost assume it, that these two companies have Chinese spies 
or military officials within the ranks of the employees of the 
companies. Let us assume we found that out, that somehow that 
becomes public. But I do not think it is a big assumption. It 
is probably true right now.
    So you have spies and military personnel within the ranks 
of these two companies that are controlling both ends of the 
Panama Canal. For you, Professor and Chairman Sola: would not 
that be a blatant violation of Article V of the Neutrality 
Treaty if that were true; which probably is true?
    Mr. Kontorovich. Yes, I do think----
    Senator Sullivan. What is your answer, Professor?
    Mr. Kontorovich.--it would be a--yes, I do think it would 
be a clear violation. As Dean Rusk, Former Secretary of State 
Dean Rusk said at the ratification hearings, informal forces 
can violate Article V as well as formal forces. It is a clear--
--
    [Crosstalk.]
    Senator Sullivan. And Chairman Sola, do you agree with 
that? Is there any evidence of Chinese spies or other nefarious 
Chinese actors embedded in these companies?
    Mr. Sola. Senator, we have no information of that.
    Senator Sullivan. OK.
    Mr. Sola. And that is not under the purview of the 
Federal----
    Senator Sullivan. But you agree that would be a violation 
of Article V of the Neutrality Treaty?
    Mr. Sola. I do.
    Senator Sullivan. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Thank you. Senator Baldwin.

               STATEMENT OF HON. TAMMY BALDWIN, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM WISCONSIN

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Commissioner Maffei, good to 
see you, thank you for being here today.
    Mr. Maffei. Thank you.
    Senator Baldwin. I am very concerned about China's large 
and growing influence in the world's infrastructure network. A 
company from Hong Kong operates two ports in the Panama Canal, 
one on each end. And while the company is not Chinese state-
owned, it is subject to China's national intelligence law as we 
have been discussing. Moreover, a Chinese state-owned entity is 
currently building a bridge over the Panama Canal.
    But the Panama Canal is just one example of how far China's 
influence stretches. Their dominance in maritime, logistics, 
and shipbuilding sectors lessens competitions--competition 
creates supply chain risks, and creates opportunities for 
surveillance and information gathering. In order to facilitate 
the movement of goods throughout the world, it is essential to 
have a secure and level playing field, which we currently do 
not. Chinese current practices do not allow for that.
    The United States trade representative recently 
investigated China's practicing--practices in the commercial 
shipbuilding sector under Section 301, and recently concluded 
that their dominance is a burden to United States commerce.
    One, a few decades back, we were the dominant country in 
commercial shipbuilding. Last, or in 2023, we built five 
commercial ships, and China built over 1,700 according to 
that--according to that investigation.
    So what policies would you recommend to prioritize growth 
of the United States influence in the maritime and logistics 
sector to compete with China and level the playing field?
    Mr. Maffei. I will answer in less than a minute.
    Senator Baldwin. Yes.
    Mr. Maffei. Senator Baldwin, it is very good to see you 
again. And we were colleagues for one term in the House, and I 
appreciate that.
    I think the best I can answer in the short term is to amen 
to everything you said. And as an illustration, Senator 
Sullivan was talking about Hutchison Ports. That is actually 
the same company that runs terminals on both ends of the Canal. 
I am concerned about that.
    However, if we want be concerned about that, all of us 
should lose a lot more sleep than we are losing, because if 
there are spies there, then there might be spies at other 
Hutchison Ports. And there are other Hutchison Ports in almost 
every part of the world. They own the largest container port in 
the United Kingdom, Felixstowe, which is responsible for nearly 
half of Britain's container trade.
    They control major maritime terminals in Argentina, 
Australia, the Bahamas, Germany, Indonesia, Mexico, Myanmar, 
the Netherlands, South Korea, and Tanzania. If owning and 
managing adjacent ports means that China somehow like has 
operational control or strategic control over the Panama Canal, 
they also have it over the Suez, the Singapore Straits, the 
Mediterranean Sea, and the English Channel. That is just one 
aspect of what you were talking about.
    That does not include the shipbuilding, heavily subsidized, 
such that now, I believe over half of new ships that are in the 
companies that belong to the World Shipping Council are coming 
from China, not because these are bad companies, but because 
they are undercutting other things. And it is a problem that 
has been going on for 20 years, which makes it very difficult 
to answer your question. It is a long answer.
    This is not a problem that occurred last week. This is not 
something that President Trump identified. This was going on 
all of President Biden's term, but all of President Trump's 
first term. It has been going on for decades and decades 
through both U.S. Republicans and Democrats as President.
    The only thing I can say is I echo what Ranking Member 
Cantwell said, and I think others of both parties have echoed 
it, that we need some sort of overall maritime strategy. We 
have to acknowledge that this is part of our national security. 
That economic resilience is extraordinarily important. And I 
believe this is the greatest country in the world. I think if 
we start countering some of these efforts, we can do it, but it 
has to become a national priority.
    And part of the challenge is, we are talking about outside 
the borders of our U.S., investing outside the borders of our 
U.S. does not make a very good campaign ad, but it may be 
necessary to secure, particularly with such an aggressive, and 
frankly on this, open strategy that China has had.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you for that answer. I know my time 
is now short.
    I will allow Professor Kontorovich to answer this for the 
record. But Professor, I would like to ask for your help in 
finding productive actions we can take to overcome some of the 
challenges that are being discussed today. I am confident that 
we can find bipartisan solutions to pursue.
    It is my view that we should strengthen our relationship 
with Panama through mutually beneficial actions. For one, we 
should have a fully staffed embassy. The United States went 
without an ambassador to Panama from 2018 to 2022, largely due 
to partisan gridlock in the Senate confirmation process.
    So what additional strategies would you suggest the U.S. 
pursue to encourage Panama to enhance its security relationship 
with us, the United States of America, rather than China? And 
how can we leverage the strength of the American private sector 
to encourage more investment in the important infrastructure 
projects where China currently has a strong presence, in fact, 
dominance?
    Mr. Kontorovich. So thank you. So my understanding of the 
Chinese advantage is that to the extent that they are using--
willing to use their government wealth to consistently underbid 
contracts, they have an advantage that cannot be beat. And thus 
leaving these kinds of issues to contracting is going to put 
American companies perpetually at a disadvantage.
    You know, I think one potential action would be to make 
clear to Panama that based on these changes that have occurred 
over the years, increasing Chinese control over Hong Kong, the 
passage of the national security law, the Belt and Road 
Initiative, the military-civilian integration doctrine of 
China, that contracts with Chinese-based companies are 
considered suspect and incompatible with the neutrality regime 
of the treaty. That would at least give American companies and 
other truly private companies a fighting chance.
    The Chairman. Thank you. Senator Blackburn.

              STATEMENT OF HON. MARSHA BLACKBURN, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM TENNESSEE

    Senator Blackburn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes or no, 
quickly, for the three of you, just for the record. Is the 
China investment into the Panama Canal a direct threat to U.S. 
national security? Yes or no?
    Mr. Sola, I will start with you down the panel. Thank you.
    Mr. Sola. To the economic security, yes Senator.
    Mr. Maffei. Yes.
    Mr. Kramek. I do not have that information as an Industry 
Trade Association, Senator.
    Senator Blackburn. OK. All right. And we have talked some 
about the Neutrality Treaty, which I think is of concern to all 
of us. And as I have looked at this, and I appreciated Senator 
Sullivan's questioning on this, we look at how President Trump 
is going to push forward with getting this issue addressed. And 
we have heard a good bit about this from our shippers that are 
looking at what happens coming out of the port of Memphis.
    And I think that the Government of Columbia learned a 
lesson last week that we are not going to go soft on some of 
these issues. And when you look at the fact that the U.S. is a 
primary user, it is the primary user of the Panama Canal. And 
we are also Panama's largest provider of direct foreign 
investment. I think those two things should be significant. Our 
foreign investment into Panama is $3.8 billion annually. This 
is why people are looking at this issue.
    So Professor, let me come to you on this, and we thank you 
for joining us remotely. Should not our investment in Panama be 
contingent on their adherence to that Neutrality Committee, 
ensuring that Panama and Panama alone would control that canal?
    Mr. Kontorovich. So certainly that is an action we can take 
to enforce the treaty and to enforce our understanding of the 
treaty. That is an action we can take even without the treaty. 
So to the extent that the United States considers the Chinese 
operation of facilities around the Canal to be against its 
interests, it can certainly condition aid and economic 
relationships on the exclusion of China.
    Now, the United States has typically not worked that way. 
And that may be one of the reasons why, as we heard in the 
testimony, China has basically made inroads everywhere. But for 
that, we do not even need the treaty. Certainly, if we consider 
the treaty to be violated, measures like that, far short of the 
Armed Force authorized by the treaty, would be reasonable to 
start a----
    Senator Blackburn. And Professor, let me interrupt you 
there, because I do want to move on. I think that as you look 
at how China has used the Belt and Road Initiative, and we have 
talked some about that this morning, we know that they have 
pushed the digital yuan.
    And I am concerned that given their control over much of 
that infrastructure around the Canal, that they would attempt 
to force U.S. shippers, or our allies to bypass the dollar and 
use the digital yuan as they are in other countries, where they 
are practicing debt diplomacy, and where they are expanding the 
Belt and Road Initiative.
    So Chairman Sola, could you speak for a moment about the 
potential for fee manipulation with the CCP? Because as I 
mentioned, we are hearing a good bit about that, we are hearing 
that the toll structure disadvantages U.S. companies, that the 
Canal Authority has begun charging millions of dollars to skip 
the queue.
    And these fees put many bulk shippers in an adverse 
position. And these bulk shippers have a huge impact on ports 
along the lower Mississippi River. And these exorbitant fees 
are there unless you are going to face delays at the Canal. And 
then the impact of hearing these Chinese companies would 
preference the yuan as opposed to the dollar.
    Mr. Sola. Thank you, Senator. The fees that I think we are 
looking at, or we have been looked at, and the reason that we 
went there was because of the auctioning of the slots. And so 
what Panama did is they had a smaller percentage, maybe 20 
percent allocation, and then they moved it up to 30 percent and 
40 percent because it became a moneymaker for them. So as they 
were doing this----
    Senator Blackburn. OK, and let us--let me interject here. 
The auctioning of the slots gives these the right to skip the 
queue?
    Mr. Sola. Yes, ma'am.
    Senator Blackburn. OK. So just for the record there, 
continue.
    Mr. Sola. So the auctioning of the slot--under maritime 
law, it is first come, first serve. But Panama has always put a 
certain percentage aside. And they started to put more and 
more. So we got a lot of complaints. We got a lot of complaints 
from LNG carriers that paid $4 million to go through. And we 
got a lot of complaints from agriculture that did not have the 
money to pay to go through because their goods were going to--
their goods were going to go down.
    So if you look at the financial statements, I am a nerd, I 
look at financial statements of everybody, but the Canal 
increased the amount of revenue that they had from about $500 
million to $1.8 billion in the last three years just because of 
those fees, so this is what is very concerning to us and for 
the American shipping.
    Senator Blackburn. And have you seen a tendency to 
preference the digital yuan over the dollar?
    Mr. Sola. I have heard of the digital yuan, and I have also 
heard of it used in international shipping as a currency.
    Senator Blackburn. OK.
    Mr. Sola. It is something that I would say that we have an 
eye on because we have a digital shipping exchange rule coming 
up.
    Senator Blackburn. Yes.
    Mr. Sola. But we will keep monitoring it.
    Senator Blackburn. OK, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Thank you. Senator Klobuchar.

               STATEMENT OF HON. AMY KLOBUCHAR, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM MINNESOTA

    Senator Klobuchar. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And I 
cannot help but think as we debate this issue of the Panama 
Canal, while it is important, if you want to look at what is 
happening right now as in the middle of the night last night 
when an executive order was issued by--well, not an executive 
order, just a memo by the Acting Budget Director which put a 
pause on all Federal funding for not only NIH research of 
cancer trials, and not only HeadStart, and people are in a 
panic in calling our offices, it is also a severe problem for 
trade and America's innovation.
    Freezing all Federal funding already granted to improve 
port and freight infrastructure through the Port Infrastructure 
Program seems to me a major problem we should be addressing if 
we are talking about America's shipping interests.
    But I will go to the topic at hand. The Panama Canal is a 
critical trade corridor that allows for American farmers, other 
businesses to reach international customers. I care a lot about 
the shipping issue. As many of you know, Senator Thune and I 
joined forces two years ago to pass a very important bill that 
took on the international shippers in terms of giving more 
power to the Maritime Commission in taking on the rates they 
were charging businesses, and farmers, and manufacturers in 
America, and it actually immediately had an impact because they 
knew what was coming their way, and continues to. I will get to 
that in a minute.
    But I do want to raise with you, Commissioner Maffei, do 
you know of any instances where the United States has been 
singled out, or treated unfairly under the Neutrality Treaty in 
the operation of the Canal?
    Mr. Maffei. I do not. I would add that one of the reasons 
why saying the U.S. is disproportionately affected by raises in 
canal fees, and other kinds of fees at the Canal, is because 
the United States disproportionately utilizes the Canal.
    Senator Klobuchar. Right. and that is something that would 
affect the total number of fees, and we know it is a critical, 
critical trade corridor and want to continue to use that 
corridor and be treated in a fair way. But I do think one of 
the things that has not been brought out as we look at the 
periods of congestion or reduced capacity at the Canal which we 
know have occurred, like we saw with last year's drought can 
delay shipments, increase transportation costs, potentially 
leading to higher consumer prices.
    Commissioner, what steps can be taken to minimize 
disruptions and prevent cascading costs for consumers during 
periods of operational strain?
    Mr. Maffei. At the Panama Canal?
    Senator Klobuchar. Yes.
    Mr. Maffei. I mean, the main thing is that companies, 
importers, and exporters need to make sure that they have very 
resilient supply chains. Depending on any one sea lane is 
awfully risky in this very, very difficult to predict world. It 
is one of the reasons why the Panama Canal is so important. In 
fact, it may be a bigger reason than a particular transit or 
line transit is the fact that it is there in case something 
goes wrong on the other end of the world, say for instance, the 
Suez Canal, right.
    And it is that lack of redundancy right now that has been a 
big problem, and frankly, one of the reasons why shipping costs 
have gone up, because if you have to go all the way around 
Africa, or go all the way around the Americas, you are taking 
fewer ships, so yes.
    Senator Klobuchar. Thank you. Mr. Kramek, in your testimony 
you described how drought reduced imports at U.S. ports. Do 
these reductions affect prices for American consumers, or could 
they?
    Mr. Kramek. Yes.
    Senator Klobuchar. OK, thank you. I love that short answer. 
Ocean Reform Act, I mentioned, back to you, Commissioner, has 
that law improved the ability of shippers to have unreasonable 
charges waived or refunded by ocean carriers? As we know, this 
has been a major problem for our carriers, which can translate 
into prices, and talk about how it has empowered shippers to 
file complaints against unreasonable practices by the carriers.
    Mr. Maffei. Yes.
    Senator Klobuchar. But the shippers, of course, you know 
what I mean. I do not mean the carriers themselves, I mean the 
people that are trying to do business and sell their stuff so--
--
    Mr. Maffei. American exporters, American importers.
    Senator Klobuchar. American exporters?
    Mr. Maffei. Absolutely. Look, I do not have a lot of time, 
but yes, it has a tremendous effect. We have seen instances of 
waiving or forgiving detention demurrage fees or even refunding 
go way up. We have seen settlements go up with the major 
carriers. We have seen a lot more cases filed. So many, in 
fact, that we have had to take--we have had one--we used to 
have one administrative law judge, now we have three and they 
still have too many cases, so a huge impact.
    Senator Klobuchar. Mm-hmm. And are you concerned--I will 
just end where I started--are you concerned about freezing 
funding that has already been granted for port and 
infrastructure improvement right now, given what we are trying 
to do with American ports so we can make stuff here and ship it 
instead of having it all come to us?
    Mr. Maffei. That is a complicated question. I will just say 
at the Federal Maritime Commission, we try to do an awful lot 
with less. As the New York Times reporter has pointed out, we 
are funded at approximately our entire annual budget, about 1 
hour of the container ship industry's profits during the COVID 
pandemic. Because of that legislation and subsequent 
appropriations, that is more like 68 minutes now, it is still a 
fraction of it. I do not know where, and I do not believe the 
chairman knows where we----
    Senator Klobuchar. Well, of course, we only found this out 
12 hours ago at midnight from an unknown bureaucrat. So our 
hope is that we will be able to give you those numbers to show 
what will happen to infrastructure if we simply freeze funding 
for all of these things across America. Thank you.
    The Chairman. Thank you. Senator Budd.

                  STATEMENT OF HON. TED BUDD, 
                U.S. SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA

    Senator Budd. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, thank the 
panel for being here. It is good to see you all.
    Mr. Sola, the November 2024 report from the U.S.-China 
Economic and Security Review Commission, it details China's 
efforts to deepen ties with countries across Latin America and 
the Caribbean.
    So Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask unanimous consent to 
enter that report into the record. Mr. Chairman, if that is OK.
    The Chairman. Without objection.
    [The report referred to can be found on the www.uscc.gov 
website.]
    Senator Budd. OK, all right. Thank you. All right. I think 
it is important to view the Chinese Communist Party's, CCP, 
activities in the Panama Canal Zone in the context of the CCP's 
broader efforts to further access Latin America's markets, and 
obstruct American interests in our own backyard.
    Mr. Sola, would you agree with that, that you see the CCP 
activity, and hopefully, to interrupt America's interests in 
the region?
    Mr. Sola. Definitely an economic interest, Senator.
    Senator Budd. I was able to travel there a few years ago to 
see this firsthand, and see the CCP's encroachment. So in your 
experience, are there noticeable differences in port operations 
when they are controlled by Chinese companies and financed or 
backed by Chinese loans, and if so would you explain that?
    Mr. Sola. We have a wonderful example because we have a 
U.S. port there, SSA, out of Washington State, and I actually 
worked on the development of many years ago, and helped 
develop. That used to be a former United States Navy Submarine 
Base, and we converted that.
    As far as the two ports that we have, they are completely 
different. One is a major infrastructure footprint and also a 
container port that is moving four million containers a year. 
That is almost--I mean, that is really a phenomenal amount--
that is more than Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and you probably have 
to add Tampa, and a little bit of Jacksonville in there to get 
that type of volume.
    And on the other side, we have a very small port, but it is 
a very strategic port on the Atlantic. So how are the 
operations done? Yes I--I do not know how they do not make 
money. I mean, if you want to come to--right down to it, is 
that they have been operating port for 20 years, and they say 
that they have not made any money, so they have not been able 
to pay the Government, that is what concerns me. Because I 
believe that we are on a level playing field with the American 
ports.
    Senator Budd. I appreciate that, Mr. Kramek. What would be 
the consequences for U.S. trade and for the U.S. economy if 
access to the Canal was suddenly revoked or significantly 
decreased for U.S. shippers?
    Mr. Kramek. It would be pretty catastrophic, Senator. And 
we have a good example. I mean, we have experienced that with 
the denial of the Red Sea right now being able to use that, and 
as Chairman Maffei said, having to go around, down the 
Continent of Africa 40 percent longer voyages, at significantly 
more costs in crew, maintenance, fuel, and even emissions.
    Senator Budd. Do you have a ballpark on the difference if 
they are able to transit the Canal versus going around South 
America?
    Mr. Kramek. I do not have a figure, but I can tell you in 
days, and it depends.
    Senator Budd. 30 days?
    Mr. Kramek. So it is about 30 days if you can go through 
the Canal, about 40 days right now because we cannot use the 
Suez Canal, if you want to go from, say, Asia, Asia cargo going 
to the U.S. East Coast.
    Senator Budd. Thank you. Mr. Sola, another question. China 
is pouring billions of dollars into infrastructure projects all 
over Central and South America. And one example is in Ecuador, 
China made a deal with them to fund a $3.4 billion 
hydroelectric dam. There are 17,000 cracks already, and there 
is a lot of corruption. Ecuadorian officials have been 
imprisoned on some bribery charges.
    Using that as an example for the region, the strategy of 
China is clear, because to take--and this is in the words of an 
Ecuadorian minister--the strategy of China is clear that they 
want to take economic control of countries. In Panama, for 
instance, it is about 7.7 percent of their GDP, as I understand 
it.
    So using Ecuador as an example, should Congress be 
concerned that China could extract significant leverage over 
Panama, given the outsized role and revenue from the Canal in 
their finances? If you could turn your microphone on.
    Mr. Sola. Yes, Senator, it very well could. And I believe 
that we are in a very fortunate position now with Secretary 
Rubio, who knows the area very well, and also knows China.
    Senator Budd. Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Maffei. Senator, can I just say. You should also look 
at the Port of Chancay in Peru. It will fit that pattern----
    Senator Budd. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Maffei.--of Chinese investment.
    Senator Budd. Thank you.
    The Chairman. Thank you. Senator Kim.

                  STATEMENT OF HON. ANDY KIM, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM NEW JERSEY

    Senator Kim. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you to all of you 
for coming out here.
    I will be honest with you. When I talk to some of my 
constituents in New Jersey about this, they mostly understand 
this issue right now because of the words of President Trump. 
So if you do not mind, I just kind of wanted to start there and 
work backward.
    So Chairman Sola, you know, President Trump said, quote, 
``China is operating the Panama Canal. We did not give it to 
China, we gave it to Panama, and we are taking it back.'' I 
guess I just wanted your assessment there. Is China operating 
the Panama Canal?
    Mr. Sola. Chairman--I mean, Senator Kim, I never discredit 
anything that President Trump says.
    Senator Kim. Yes, he----
    Mr. Sola. He has a different briefing book than I do.
    Senator Kim. Mm-hmm.
    Mr. Sola. What I can say is that the Panama Canal is 
operated, as far as I know, by the ACP, the Panama Canal 
Authority, and they are very efficient at operating the Canal 
and the throughput that they are able to do.
    Senator Kim. So you are saying from your knowledge, you do 
not know of any reason to believe that China is operating the 
Panama Canal, from the knowledge that you have?
    Mr. Sola. From the knowledge that I have on whether the--
Senator, what we have here is the Panama Canal Authority is the 
authority where people will pay into the Panama Canal.
    Senator Kim. Mm-hmm.
    Mr. Sola. I think that what--if you will allow me to--if a 
company is able to operate both ports----
    Senator Kim. Oh. I see. So you are talking about Hutchison 
Ports, right?
    Mr. Sola. Yes.
    Senator Kim. So we are talking about like Balboa and 
Cristobal Ports, right.
    Mr. Sola. And they are subsidized. They are subsidized.
    Senator Kim. They are subsidized? I guess my question to 
you is, does Hutchison Port actually control the locks of the 
Canal?
    Mr. Sola. No.
    Senator Kim. Does it control, directly, the entrance to the 
Canal?
    Mr. Sola. Both ports are in operational control of the 
Canal. In order for those ports to operate, the Canal has to 
give them a special permit. And the reason is because when they 
are bringing a ship in or bringing a ship out, they block the 
traffic of the Canal every single time.
    Senator Kim. I see, so----
    Mr. Sola. They have to have pilots, two pilots that are 
going on?
    Senator Kim. Is Balboa or Cristobal Port under the 
jurisdiction of the Panama Canal Authority?
    Mr. Sola. They have been given by the Panama Government, 
the concessions. However, they are in the operational range of 
the Panama Canal, they are reframing.
    Senator Kim. Does that make them--does that make those two 
ports under the jurisdiction of the treaty?
    Mr. Sola. Let me say this, because I was in Panama when the 
treaty--when the Panama Canal was turned over.
    Senator Kim. Mm-hmm.
    Mr. Sola. We did not just give back the Panama Canal. We 
also gave back all the land and all the water on the entryway 
to it, and including what we had was a lot of military bases 
along there. So as soon as you come out of the Panama Canal, 
and I invite you to come there, I will be happy to take you.
    Senator Kim. Well, let us--we do need to have----
    Mr. Sola. But as soon as you come out of the lock you run 
into Corozal, which was a former military base. Corozal is run, 
not by Panama--by the Panama Canal Authorities, it is run by 
the Panama Government. After you pass that, you run into the 
Port of Balboa. So what I am trying to say is when we talk 
about the Panama Canal Authority, they operate only where the 
ships go up, and go down, and come out.
    After that, you have where the pilots--we have where the 
pilots will take you on the boat and take you off. So is it 
operational control of the Panama Canal? Yes, because the 
pilots are the ones that have to bring you in there and bring 
you out. And again, every time a ship goes into one of those 
ports, they block the traffic of the Panama Canal.
    Senator Kim. Yes. Well, look, I guess I wanted to just ask 
you directly then, what is your assessment of the Panama 
Canal's Authority, you know, in terms of their ability to 
administer the Canal?
    Mr. Sola. I think the Panama Canal Authority and their 
independence is, if you read my opening statement and my 
written statement, they have done a fantastic job. And Panama 
has been running the Canal for 25 years. They have promoted--
they have given $28 billion to the coffers of the Government in 
those 25 years.
    In the 25 years that the two ports that we call--the two 
ports, they have contributed zero. So I do not understand why 
Panama would allow those two ports to operate and take--and put 
into jeopardy what they have and--the operations that they do 
have in the Canal.
    Senator Kim. I want to just end here on this because I 
thought you had a really poignant point in your written 
testimony, where you said, ``We must protect the independence 
of the Panama Canal Authority. Any efforts by other interests 
in Panama to diminish the independence or professionalism of 
the authority must be stopped.''
    And I would just say, venture to say, as we talk about this 
as a committee, as a Government, that we should try to follow 
those same words as well. You know, we try to have nuance and 
precision with the words that we use, otherwise, it very much 
looks like some of what we talk about is going to be perceived 
as undermining the Panama Canal Authority. And you said that 
you warned that would be something that would actually boost up 
China's capacity in the region.
    So I just ask, as we deal with this going forward, that we 
be precise about it and try to make sure we are talking about 
exactly what we are addressing.
    Mr. Sola. And specifically, what I was talking about is the 
Board of Directors of the Panama Canal. I mean, are some of the 
Board of Directors on the Board of Directors of the ports that 
we have in question? So when you look at the annual report of 
those two ports, they have a hidden--or not a hidden, it 
basically says that they have local partners that are not 
identified. So I believe that if we had those identified, we 
would know more.
    Senator Kim. Yes, and more precision there. Thank you so 
much. I yield back, Mr. Chair.
    The Chairman. Thank you. Senator Schmitt.

                STATEMENT OF HON. ERIC SCHMITT, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM MISSOURI

    Senator Schmitt. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want the 
Committee to just imagine that Taiwan is under siege. The CCP, 
determined to crush Taiwan's resistance and prevent a U.S. 
response, activates a multi-prong strategy, leveraging its 
control over global ports and shipping infrastructure. At the 
Panama Canal, one of America's most vital trade arteries 
handling 40 percent of U.S. container traffic.
    Chinese-controlled ports at both ends suddenly close. Ships 
carrying food, oil, and military supplies are turned away 
because of technical difficulties, paralyzing the global 
economy. Gasoline prices soar, supermarket shelves empty, and 
supply chains collapse within days. China's state-owned ZPMC, 
which supplies 80 percent of U.S. port cranes, has equipped 
their cranes with cellular modems that create explosive 
vulnerabilities--exploitable vulnerabilities.
    These cranes at U.S. ports mysteriously malfunction, 
halting critical operations. Factories close, millions lose 
their jobs, and the economy grinds to a halt. While this 
scenario may seem hypothetical, it is entirely plausible.
    Therefore, the Canal must remain neutral, and the U.S. must 
ensure the CCP does not encroach on our vital economic and 
national security interests. In 2017, Senators Markey, Schatz, 
and Rubio urged President Trump to address China's aggressive 
maritime actions. Their warnings apply today, as China's 
growing control over critical infrastructure, ports, and 
strategic waterways, like the Panama Canal, pose an 
unacceptable threat.
    America is sleepwalking into a carefully laid Chinese trap. 
Fortunately, people like President Trump are not falling for 
it. I am glad he is raised this issue. This dangerous 
complacency must end. That is why, last week, I introduced a 
Senate resolution to safeguard the Panama Canal from Chinese 
influence. It calls on Panama to expel Chinese entities in 
foreign control and honor its neutrality under the 1977 
transfer agreement. The cost of inaction is too great.
    I want, and I will offer this up for anyone, but I think 
the biggest concern here is this Belt and Road Initiative, we 
have talked about it creating a debt trap, which is true, and 
building a bridge in Bangladesh is very different than this. I 
mean, there are reports of the CCP building airports, and then 
when people are critical of the CCP, all of a sudden flights 
are canceled.
    Controlling a grid--they can turn it off, and they can turn 
it off, and there is just no way on God's green earth, that 
China can control the Panama Canal. So however you want to 
define it, and I hope my Democrat colleagues this is an issue 
that affects America, and it should not be partisan. And I hope 
they are not blinded by the fact that President Trump has come 
out so boldly on this. But we should not tolerate this.
    The witnesses have stated they have operational control. We 
can get into the semantics of the Port Authority versus the 
control, but operational control of the Panama Canal is real by 
the CCP. The witnesses have also stated that a Chinese company 
got a sweetheart deal, a no-bid contract for control--
operational control ultimately of these ports.
    So I guess I want to ask, because I talked too long and do 
not have much time for questions, but Professor Kontorovich, I 
do want to ask you. As it relates to the treaty, I am glad 
Senator Cruz--or Chairman Cruz, has called this up, because 
there are real concerns about treaty violations here.
    What are the most blatant? What are the most obvious? Is it 
the unfair--is the fact that we are being charged more? Is it 
the fact that these are Chinese-owned companies that are 
controlled by the CCP? What are the top two or three reasons 
you would argue that they are, in fact, in violation of the 
treaty?
    Mr. Kontorovich. So again, I think the different--I think 
the charges and fees are less of an issue because they do not 
discriminate across countries. We pay more because we use more, 
but it is not nationally discriminatory. The presence of 
Chinese Government--of Chinese companies, especially Chinese 
State Governments but not limited to them, do raise serious 
issues and concerns for the neutrality of the treaty.
    And I should point out, in relation to some of the earlier 
questioning, the Canal, for purposes of the Neutrality Treaty, 
is not limited just to the actual locks of the Canal and the 
transit of ships through the Canal. According to Annex 1, 
Paragraph 1 of the Treaty, it includes also the entrances of 
the Canal, and the territorial sea of Panama adjacent to it.
    So all of the activities we are talking about are within 
the neutrality regime, the geographic scope of the neutrality 
regime in the treaty.
    Senator Schmitt. So the most--I am out of time--but the 
most dead on hit here is the treaty specifically prevents 
foreign operations, and that is exactly what we have.
    Mr. Kontorovich. Yes. So to the extent these companies are, 
in fact, de facto controlled by China, this is something that 
could threaten the neutrality regime of the treaty.
    Senator Schmitt. OK.
    Mr. Maffei. Senator, may I make a point of clarification?
    Senator Schmitt. Sure.
    Mr. Maffei. You said that we all stated that China had 
operational control. I do not believe that China currently has 
operational control over the Panama Canal. I am not sure if 
any----
    Senator Schmitt. No, I did not say all of you did. I said 
one of the witnesses.
    Mr. Maffei. OK. Well, let me say this: I did agree that 
there was a threat posed by this ownership. I do think, though, 
that if your assumptions are correct, you are way understating 
the problem. That is right, understating the problem, because 
they also control the Suez Canal, and the Mediterranean Sea. 
And I actually have to admit, I am a little confused as to why 
some of the senators asking this question, Senator Blackburn, 
are not more concerned about the biggest port in the United 
Kingdom being run by the Chinese.
    Piraeus in the port nearest Athens, one of the biggest 
ports in the Mediterranean is not just run by a Chinese-linked 
company; it is run directly by a Chinese-owned company. And I 
was there. So you are on to something. But if you are just 
focusing on Panama, that is only part of it.
    Senator Schmitt. No, I agree with you. I think the 
difference here is that we gave it away. Huge mistake. Both 
Missouri Senators voted for it back then, huge mistake. But the 
one thing we got out of it, the one thing we got out of it was 
a guarantee of neutrality. And that is the issue here. Thanks.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Curtis.

                STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN CURTIS, 
                     U.S. SENATOR FROM UTAH

    Senator Curtis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Great hearing. I 
appreciate this opportunity today. I would like to touch on 
something I have not heard discussed today, and that is, 
unfortunately China is not the only hostile country that 
exploits Panama to endanger our national security. Iranian 
vessels under the Panamanian flag registry have been a problem 
for many years.
    Chairman Sola, can you explain how Panama has enabled Iran 
to evade our sanctions?
    Mr. Sola. Yes. Thank you, Senator. About a year ago, when 
we were having this drought issue, there was also a lot of 
focus on Iran and how they were funding Hamas and the Houthis 
because they were attacking the Red Sea. What we found was, or 
what the United States has found is that Iranian vessels are 
sometimes flagged by Panama in order to avoid sanctions so they 
can sell the fuel that they have, and then can have--they can 
take that money and use it as they wish.
    Panama, at the time, had a very complicated process to 
deflag the vessels. There was an investigation. There was an 
appeals process. By the time we would--OFAC or Treasury would 
go ahead and identify one of those vessels, by the time that 
they were doing the appeals, and stuff like this, they had 
already changed flags to somewhere else.
    So when we went to Panama, we met with the Panamanian 
President. And I must say, we were very impressed because 
that--he was 30 minutes late, but he was breaking relations 
with Venezuela at the time because the election was the day 
before.
    We explained to him the situation. The very next day, we 
met with the Maritime Minister, with U.S. Embassy personnel, 
and Panama actually adjusted their appeals process to make it 
more expedient. So if the United States or OFAC would to come 
and say that this Iranian vessel is avoiding sanctions, now we 
have a process in place to go ahead and do that. And 53 vessels 
were deflagged because of that meeting.
    Senator Curtis. OK. If you would, keep working on that, 
because that is a big deal. Thank you for that answer.
    Let me also go to--I mean, we have hammered on this a 
little bit--and I have heard several times some of you 
acknowledge that the interest from China is an economic threat 
to us. But let me come back to this defense. I think we have 
asked a number of times in different ways, but let me go back 
to the analogy of, if China puts a blockade on Taiwan and we 
are trying to move ships into that area quickly, can any of you 
say this is not just an economic threat to the United States 
but a defensive threat as well?
    Mr. Maffei. At the FMC, it is not our area of expertise. We 
will leave that to the military experts. I will just say that 
to me, an economic threat is a military threat.
    Senator Curtis. Sure.
    Mr. Maffei. I mean, indirectly, but it is.
    Senator Curtis. I just, I know there are panels----
    Mr. Maffei. But in terms of--you know, if terms of what you 
are directly asking----
    Senator Curtis.--in reference to economics.
    Mr. Maffei. We at the Federal Maritime Commission do not 
have that area.
    Senator Curtis. Chairman.
    Mr. Sola. I would say that my biggest concern is that when 
a Chinese contractor gets a contract in Latin America, they 
usually put a clause in there that they bring their own workers 
in from China. And these workers are housed in camps outside, 
and these camps will have guards on them, and they will have--
sometimes they--in Panama, for example, they have barbed wire 
around the camps.
    So we really do not know who is in the camps, and I think 
that, to me, causes me more concern, on who is in the camp and 
what are they doing. These are actually sometimes thousands of 
workers that are brought in, for example, for a bridge or to do 
a port, or something like this, to undercut the local labor.
    Senator Curtis. Along those lines, let me just talk about 
dollars from China spent. We far outspend China in the region, 
yet if you look back on when Panama switched diplomatic 
recognition from Taiwan, and we had comments from the 
President, Taiwan is an inalienable part of Chinese territory, 
it coincided with economic investment from China in the region. 
Is that something, overall, in addition to the Canal, we need 
to watch?
    Mr. Sola. Yes, we definitely need to watch economics, and 
we need to--the United States has left a void there. We really 
have not been competitive in Panama, and hopefully, we can be.
    Senator Curtis. OK. And I have got just a few seconds. So 
this bridge, we have brought this up a couple of times, the 
possibility of this bridge being damaged and closing the Canal. 
But it reminds me of going through TSA, a suitcase going 
through the TSA, is there any reason that China cannot watch or 
do whatever they want from this bridge to get their intel from 
these containers, and does that concern anybody?
    Mr. Sola. Well, it definitely concerns Southern Command 
because they have brought it up on numerous occasions that 
there could be some sort of surveillance or something like that 
on the bridges.
    Senator Curtis. OK. I yield my time. Thanks, Chairman.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Moreno.

               STATEMENT OF HON. BERNIE MORENO, 
                     U.S. SENATOR FROM OHIO

    Senator Moreno. First of all, thank you, Chairman, for 
putting this hearing together. I think it is very timely.
    Mr. Sola, I heard you say, it kind of rang in my head, you 
have navigated the Canal a hundred times. I mean, that is a--
you have a pretty good experience. I want to turn the testimony 
in a little bit different direction. You obviously have been 
there that much. Tell me, for the testimony, what are the 
people of Panama, you have obviously probably been to my home 
country, where I was born, in Colombia, what is the sentiment 
among the people for how they feel about America?
    Mr. Sola. Senator, I have many friends, family, and 
professional relationships in Panama, and the bond between the 
United States and Panama is very deep. It is almost like the 
United States and Great Britain, for example. The Panamanians 
love baseball. They love basically a lot of the same things 
that we do. The people are absolutely wonderful.
    Senator Moreno. Now, they have suffered through 
catastrophically bad leaders, especially today. The President 
of Colombia, Petro, we do not have to go down that path. But 
here is what I would ask you. Obviously, we understand about 
shipping, we understand the issues of trade, and that has been 
well documented. I think the treaty is clearly in violation, 
there is no question about that.
    In fact, Mr. Chairman, I would like to see us speedily get 
to a point where we get a resolution allowing the President to 
renegotiate or cancel that treaty. But here is my question to 
you. The Darien Gap is a stone's throw away, here to Annapolis, 
maybe not even a little bit further than that. It used to be 
this insurmountable piece of geography that separated Colombia 
from Panama, but it is now used as a massive human and drug 
trafficking operation.
    The presence of multinational gangs, multinational criminal 
organizations in that area, primarily, I will suggest funded by 
the Chinese--you do not have to comment on that--but what is 
the impact of these transnational gangs, this increase in human 
and drug trafficking, doing to maritime activity along the 
Canal?
    Mr. Kramek. Senator, the Darien Gap is one of the most 
dangerous tracks that I think anybody can do. And thank God for 
the new policy that we have on migrants, and people coming into 
the country because countless people have been harmed, died, or 
even--you know, very bad things happen to them through there.
    On transnational gangs, I mean, anytime there is money in a 
black market, they are going to fill that void. So hopefully, 
as I understand it, the Darien Gap is not being utilized very 
much right now because people are coming to the United States 
and now cannot come in.
    Senator Moreno. Right, but the point is: What is the impact 
on maritime activity there? In other words, security, Mr. 
Kramek, has got to be an issue for your members. And having 
that increased presence of transnational gang activity, and 
drug trafficking, you are talking about billions and billions 
of dollars. Cocaine production in Colombia is at an all-time 
high. What impact does that have on your members?
    Mr. Kramek. Senator, it is something we work hard on every 
day. The World Shipping Council has partnered with the World 
Customs Organization and 58 customs agencies throughout the 
world. We ran actual operations to give data that we have on 
our supply chain and where there are anomalies to those customs 
officials and law enforcement authorities so they can act on 
it.
    A lot of the flow for commercial vessels, not into the 
United States, but to the European Union, is coming from the 
transshipment point in Panama, where our containers are being 
exploited and contaminated. And so we are working hard as we 
sit here right now on that problem.
    Senator Moreno. And of course, the point I am making is 
that China's influence there, whether we want to make it a 
technical question as to what control means, it does not 
matter. When you have Chinese companies operating on both sides 
of the Canal, having influence there through drug trafficking, 
they bring basic chemicals into Mexico, which makes its way 
here, as fentanyl, you have enormous Chinese influence in 
Central and South America.
    And Mr. Sola, I go back to you with my final question. Do 
you think, fundamentally, the problem here is that America has 
just failed to engage properly with Latin America?
    Mr. Sola. Yes, I do. I believe that we have not had a 
presence there for long enough. The State Department has 
designated countless past Panamanian presidents for corruption, 
but we have not had the DOJ go ahead and get any convictions on 
those. I think that if we did have a conviction one way or 
another, I think that that would change the narrative quite 
considerably.
    Senator Moreno. And just one quick follow up. So if the 
U.S. took control back of the Canal, if that territory was 
completely controlled and protected by the United States of 
America, what influence could we have in solving a variety of 
problems, the shipping ones that we have talked about, but also 
having a U.S. presence with military backup there in Panama, 
preventing transnational organizations, preventing human 
trafficking, preventing drug trafficking; wouldn't that be 
celebrated among the free world as something that would be 
absolutely a net huge positive to that area?
    Mr. Sola. Well, I can say this--that is probably one of the 
top contraband areas in the world, just because of its 
geographical location and the amount of containers they move. 
So I think anytime we can lower the amount of contraband being 
distributed around the world, we would be doing a good service.
    Senator Moreno. So Mr. Chairman, like I said earlier, we 
ratified that treaty here in the U.S. Senate. I would love to 
see us deratify it.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Capito.

            STATEMENT OF HON. SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, 
                U.S. SENATOR FROM WEST VIRGINIA

    Senator Capito. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for 
being here today, really interesting hearing.
    In the year 1913, the West Virginia--or the Governor of 
West Virginia said that the Panama Canal would be critical to 
the state's coal industry. What was then true is still true 
today, 11 percent of the cargo that goes through that canal is 
coal.
    Chairman Sola, thank you for your military service and for 
your great insight into this, into Panama. I know that the 
draft restrictions have been brought up already today, but the 
fact that bulk goods, like West Virginia coal, and other forms 
of energy cannot always be fully loaded to go through the Canal 
is a major problem.
    I know they are investing about $900 million to try to make 
the Canal more resilient, but what ways can we ensure that our 
state's energy exports are actually getting where they need to 
go, when they need to get there?
    Mr. Sola. That is a very good question, Senator, and the 
bulk and the coal are probably the most affected by the draft 
restrictions that we have. The container ships and the 
passenger vessels have a much lighter draft. We talked 
extensively with the Canal Authority and also with the 
Government of Panama on how they need to add water to the--
fresh water to the system.
    They are losing about one or two percent a year, so if they 
continue this way, the Panama Canal will be severely diminished 
by up to maybe 40 percent by 2050, so fresh water is definitely 
the key to this. I know that they are working with the Army 
Corps of Engineers. We have seen some of those studies, and 
they have put a variety of options out there for the Canal 
Authority to go ahead and take advantage of it.
    Senator Capito. Let me ask, this probably quite simple 
question: Why would they be in opposition to putting more fresh 
water in the Canal?
    Mr. Sola. I do not believe--well, the Canal Authority is 
not----
    Senator Capito. It sounds easy. So maybe it is not quite as 
easy.
    Mr. Sola. The Canal Authority isn't, the issue that they 
have is maybe 10 years ago, environmentalists kind of 
restricted what their watershed was of the Canal, and that law 
has just recently been overturned. So now the Canal actually 
has access to the watershed. What they have to do is a major 
infrastructure project to go ahead and pull that water in. At 
the same time that they are saving up or raising the fees for 
the major infrastructure project, they are giving more and more 
money to the national coffers, so it is up to about $2.4 
billion right now, and they are saving for the infrastructure 
project.
    Senator Capito. Is that the $900 million infrastructure 
package like I referenced? Is that the same project?
    Mr. Sola. I believe it is. Is it the Rio M deal?
    Senator Capito. Yes.
    Mr. Sola. Yes.
    Senator Capito. So along with that, the issue going through 
the Canal, not just the offloading or--I mean, it is hard to 
offload coal out of a bulk container. I mean, that is not an 
easy thing to do if you can even do it. Is this whole thing 
about congestion pricing kind of--nobody here from New York, 
are they; but you know, the congestion pricing at the Canal 
where you can outbid and skip the line, so then the line can be 
like 14 days later even if you were at the front of the line.
    This is probably what Senator Sheehy, is wondering like: 
How did I get in front of him, kind of question.
    So how is that working? And is that fair? And who makes the 
judgment? That, to me--you are talking about corruption, that 
to me sounds like you could really be padding somebody's 
pockets here to be able to jump the line and have a significant 
effect.
    Mr. Maffei. Yes, Senator, it is an auction system. It is 
being utilized more and more, and it is what I was most 
concerned about, and continue to be most concerned about--not 
necessarily right now because the unusual draft restrictions 
are not going on. But if there is another water shortage, the 
regular toll revenue has increased in terms of the Canal.
    But what has really increased is the special revenue that 
they get from various fees and from this auction thing. That 
revenue has gone up about close to 300 percent for other 
transit services, so that is a huge amount. It also, it is 
analogous to me in some ways. I know a lot of the ocean carrier 
companies got a lot of heat when they were making more money 
during the--you know, during the--like the congestion during 
COVID.
    Well, this is sort of similar. They are providing fewer 
transits, and at the same time, they are making more money 
because of a market mechanism. Though, you know, talking about 
the Chinese Communist Party, well, this is the other way, this 
is capitalist, but it is a different way of allocating space 
that they are more--they are utilizing more and more to make 
more and more money.
    Now, I have no idea, to the best of my knowledge the money 
is going back to the Panamanian Government. I do not know of 
any reason to doubt that, but it is--that is a big cost. And as 
I said before, it does disadvantage certain kinds of cargos 
if--because they might feel that they do not--you know, they 
are on a ship which does not prioritize its time passage as 
much as other kinds of cargos. I do not know how that affects 
coal.
    Senator Capito. All right, thank you very much.
    The Chairman. Thank you. Senator Sheehy.

                 STATEMENT OF HON. TIM SHEEHY, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM MONTANA

    Senator Sheehy. How long would it take China to block the 
Canal for our usage if they decided to do it? I know you are 
not military experts, but I think you have been in the Canal 
100 times, you are all experts on the industry. If they wanted 
to deny our usage of it, how long would it take them to do it?
    Mr. Sola. Senator, I can say that prior to the year 2000, 
the Canal had a quick reaction force that kind of took all 
possibilities into consideration, either a ship be installed in 
the Canal or to be able to move one out. I do not know what 
those capabilities, or what the planning for that would be.
    Senator Sheehy. So effectively, we do not have a ready 
response. But if China----
    Mr. Sola. I am sure Southern Command does.
    Senator Sheehy. I do not like the--I do not like the 
mindset that has kind of pervaded that, there is this far-off 
hypothesis that someone someday could----
    Mr. Maffei. Well, Senator, you are not--you are talking--
you are not talking military experts. We are here because it is 
commercial reasons, if this is not----
    Senator Sheehy. Yes. But this is not a military question. I 
mean, if he has driven the Canal 100 times, and you are 
maritime experts, you know, a couple of years ago, as you 
remember, I think it was the Ever Given jackknifed in the Suez 
Canal. That is not a military operation. That is a ship that 
turns sideways. So if China chose to, how fast could they close 
the Canal to our usage?
    Mr. Maffei. Well, they could probably do a similar thing, 
but it would more be an act of terrorism than it would be 
because they have facilities there. Most of this discussion has 
involved the economic threats that China is bringing up because 
of the Belt and Road Initiative and having these investments in 
other countries.
    But yes, I mean, it is not hard to close off a waterway. 
The Panama Canal is actually quite vulnerable in terms of 
infrastructure. It is not--you know, this is not a fort or 
militarily reinforced location.
    Now, that is--you are getting to the end of my knowledge of 
that. But no, it would not take long, but I do not know what it 
has to do with--it is not accelerated because they have people 
out of their port unless--I mean, unless you believe that they 
are, in theory, it is easier to infiltrate those ports with 
Chinese spies than it is other kinds of things. But that is 
totally out of my purview. That is more assignment for----
    Senator Sheehy. I do not think it is out of your purview. I 
think the reality is the Canal is an economic engine. It is 
also a national security engine, and I appreciate--I am not 
trying to be combative or setting you in traps. I am just 
trying to ask a commonsense question, which is, we can dance 
around, I am not an expert in this, I am an expert in that, but 
the Canal is vulnerable, as we have stated.
    Mr. Maffei. I guess, Senator, I am just saying why would 
they--why would bother with a military-like operation when they 
can get what they want with non-military means?
    Senator Sheehy. Exactly.
    Mr. Maffei. If they can have influence in other ways.
    Senator Sheehy. That is the point of the question. That is 
point of the question.
    Mr. Maffei. OK.
    Senator Sheehy. As we segregate ourselves artificially in a 
way that they do not. We segregate ourselves. Well, let us talk 
about military, let us talk about intelligence, let us talk 
about economics. They do not--China does not work that way. It 
is a whole-of-government approach. They do not draw delineation 
between an economics discussion and a military one. And their 
attack may not look like Pearl Harbor.
    It may look like an everyday ship that decides, you know, 
it pulls into the locks and blows itself up, and now the locks 
are nonfunctional for our usage and we cannot support an inter-
ocean fleet transfer. And our ability to defend it, as you 
referred to, Chairman, is now inhibited by the fact that we no 
longer have the military infrastructure around the Canal that 
we did just as recently as 1999.
    So from a commercial perspective, do the shipping companies 
have concerns over the security of the narrow waterways? We 
have got Strait of Malacca, we have got Suez Canal, we have got 
Gibraltar, we have got Panama, is that a concern that is thrown 
around the boardrooms of the largest shipping corporations in 
the world?
    Mr. Kramek. Senator, I think it is something to think about 
every day. I mean, really, it has drawn into sharp relief with 
the Red Sea. That it was, what I call, a pink flamingo. Like, 
there are black swans that just come up, and there is, well, 
there are pink flamingos that you can see, but you do not act. 
But no one really thought a whole lot that one of the most 
important waterways in the world could be denied. And moreover, 
that it could be denied for such a sustained period.
    The good news is that--and denied, I might add, by a 
disaffected non-state actor of Bedouins running around with 
rocket launchers who also managed to beat us in a 20-year war 
in Afghanistan.
    But my point in saying all this is we have--we are just 
debating operational control of the Canal, yet it seems very 
clear to all of us that a very simple act can debilitate the 
Canal and eliminate our ability to use it in a matter of 
minutes, with no warning. And we have no ability to intervene 
or stop that. To me, that means we do not have operational 
control of the Canal.
    Thank you, Chairman.
    The Chairman. Thank you. I am told Senator Young is on his 
way, so I am going to ask a couple of questions and give him a 
few minutes to get here.
    Chairman Sola, you have a deep understanding of Panama and 
the Canal from personal experience, in addition to your work on 
the Federal Maritime Commission. One example of China's 
influence with the Panamanian Government was the effort to 
seize land near the Pacific end of the Canal to build a new 
Chinese embassy, including your land. Can you describe your 
personal experience, including how Panama ignored property 
rights as it sought to appease China with the new embassy?
    Mr. Sola. Yes, Senator. About 10 years ago, the maritime 
business of my family expanded tremendously, and we were given 
a concession to build a marina on the Pacific area of Panama. 
We also incorporated a cruise component to that. We brought the 
cruise companies to Panama. This would have been the very first 
cruise port in the Pacific.
    We spent millions of dollars on consultants with Atkins 
Global, Moffatt and Nichol, all the best consultants in the 
world, and everything was fine. When Panama turned over to Belt 
and Roads, they told us that that concession was going to be 
nationalized.
    Then what they did is they rescinded our concession for the 
property, they--that we were going to build the cruise port for 
$30 million, U.S. private funds. They gave the concession to a 
Chinese competitor and paid the Chinese competitor to date $300 
million to build that cruise port. It is going to take the 
Panamanian people 375 years to get it back. I am from Miami. 
That is the most expensive cruise port in the world by far, by 
passenger.
    In addition to that, they took where our land was going to 
be for the marina, and they designated that to be the embassy 
for the People's Republic of China. So what happened next is 
absolutely appalling, because when I went to the U.S. Embassy 
and I went to the Commerce Department, they told me to fill out 
a complaint.
    When I filled out the complaint, I went to my senator at 
the time, was Bill Nelson, and I remember that I was denied 
being able to even file the complaint, because the land that 
the Chinese embassy, or the land that was going to be used for 
the Chinese embassy, my environmental permit for the marina was 
going to expire in 6 months. So the United States Commerce 
Department would not even allow me to file a complaint.
    So I brought that issue here, and thanks to the good work 
of, at the time, I think it was Chairman Nelson and Chairman 
Wicker, we were able to unwind that. After about 6 years, 
Panama did the right thing and returned the land to my family.
    The Chairman. Very instructive. Senator Young,

                 STATEMENT OF HON. TODD YOUNG, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM INDIANA

    Senator Young. Thank you, Chairman, for holding this 
important hearing. Thank you, gentlemen, for being here.
    The Panama Canal underpins our current economic strength 
and national security. When 40 percent of U.S.-bound container 
traffic depends on a single waterway, we cannot afford 
unilateral toll hikes that choke out competition and leave our 
smaller carriers or our Midwestern exporters on the hook.
    For instance, in my home state of Indiana, manufacturing 
firms and farmers rely on consistent, reasonably priced 
shipping routes to move heavy machinery, auto parts, and ag 
products like corn and soy. If the Canal Authority's auction 
system prices them out, the ripple effects in American jobs and 
supply chains could be devastating.
    Chairman Sola, given our enormous stake in the Canal's 
operation, do you believe Congress or the FMC should more 
aggressively use existing legal authorities, or even create new 
legislative tools to block or penalize toll practices that 
disproportionately harm U.S. shippers and exporters?
    Mr. Sola. Thank you, Senator, for the question. And I grew 
up in Goodland, Indiana, so that you know.
    Senator Young. Fantastic.
    Mr. Sola. I do believe that, you know, we should continue 
to monitor the situation, and if we do need more regulations or 
statutes, that we would come back to Congress because we get 
our marching instructions from you. Moving the agricultural 
products that we get out of the Midwest, and all over the world 
and through the country, not only do we focus on the Panama 
Canal, but we also focus on about $5 trillion worth of goods 
coming in and leaving the United States here at the Federal 
Maritime Commission. So it is definitely one of our main 
concerns.
    Senator Young. Well, thank you. I am not surprised. I 
always tell people Indiana is a maritime state. If you think 
about our dependence on the waterways, and our shipping lines, 
and all the rest, so you are certainly proving that.
    So we will stay in touch, and if you in the future would 
like to outline any mechanisms or measures that you think would 
be effective to help ensure fair treatment for our interests, 
please let me and others on this committee know.
    When the two Panama Canal treaties were signed, we lived in 
a different world, one where Chinese state-backed actors did 
not wield strong influence over global infrastructure, and 
issues like drought were rarely factored into international 
agreements. As we all know, times have certainly changed. But 
the United States is still the Canal's biggest customer, and 
quite frankly, we have every right to expect an operational 
framework that acknowledges our modern security and economic 
challenges. States like Indiana, with robust exports, feel 
these impacts even if we are far from the Canal itself.
    Chairman Sola--and then I will allow others to respond--in 
light of evolving conditions, especially increased foreign 
investment from China, do you believe the U.S. should explore a 
more comprehensive update or supplemental protocols to these 
decades-old treaties?
    Mr. Sola. I definitely believe that we should support U.S. 
investment, and not having an ambassador for so long that has 
been detrimental to us, especially as the case that I just 
mentioned earlier, where we did not have an ambassador and we 
had a U.S. company in need of service.
    So however, we can promote U.S. investment, especially in 
infrastructure. This is where China is definitely beating us 
with the Belt and Road, where they understand that. I believe 
that our EXIM Bank and our DFC is so limited in what they can 
do by the restrictions that they have, that we are not able to 
invest in infrastructure like we should.
    Senator Young. I hope the administration will prioritize 
this Ambassador spot as nominations are made. I hope we will 
prioritize it in the Senate, and my colleagues on the 
Democratic side of the aisle will be warm to that nomination 
and moving it quickly. Something both parties, frankly, have 
fallen short on in recent years is prioritizing these.
    But other comments, Mr. Maffei?
    Mr. Maffei. Yes. Well, Senator, I will not surprise you, 
since you and I served together in the House, that I actually 
am pretty bipartisan and agreed with the Chairman on what he 
said. I will say that certainly we need to look at other kinds 
of ways to get U.S. companies in positions where they can truly 
compete with the Chinese on some of these things. And blaming 
it all on Panama really misses the point.
    I have seen the same thing in Greece, where Greece did not 
want to give the concession of its largest port to a Chinese 
company, but because of its financial difficulties, it was 
getting pressure from international organizations such as the 
IMF, Europe, and even maybe some in the United States to do so. 
So I just ask you to look at that.
    And I do want to say one quick thing. You are right about 
the cost, and as I said before, you were able to get here. The 
Panamanians are making far more on their Canal than they ever 
had before. That is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as it 
is going to the right place. But where they are really making 
the money is on these auctions, and that is why it remains a 
concern of mine. I am sure the Chairman's.
    And that is where we are looking at, potentially, using our 
authority under Section 19 of the Merchant Marine Act, where we 
could, if we can show that it is, basically, a problem with the 
foreign trade of the U.S., it is interfering with foreign trade 
of the U.S. There are certain things that we can do. But I do 
think we need more information before we could make that kind 
of action. But we are certainly working on that, and we do have 
that authority at the FMC.
    Senator Young. Thank you, and good to see you again, sir.
    Mr. Kramek, did you have anything?
    Mr. Kramek. We had discussed, Senator Young, some of the 
infrastructure projects to make the Canal more sustainable and 
viable, and how the United States, on the U.S. Army Corps of 
Engineers has already done some feasibility reviews of those 
projects. So that would certainly be something to take a look 
at to make the Canal viable with additional supplies of fresh 
water.
    Senator Young. Thank you. Chairman?
    Mr. Kontorovich. Senator, if I may?
    Senator Young. Sure.
    Mr. Kontorovich. Sorry, I am on Zoom. You spoke about 
renegotiating the treaties.
    Senator Young. Yes.
    Mr. Kontorovich. And I think one of the things about 
treaties, as an instrument of governance, is they are not very 
flexible and they do not really have automatic processes, 
typically, for easy amendment, and I spent--before this 
hearing, a fair amount of time reviewing the ratification 
hearings in the Senate in 1978. Back then, the principal 
concerns the Senate was concerned with then is the Soviets and 
Cuba, actually, not China and Iran.
    So the world has changed a huge amount, China's role has 
changed a huge amount, and of course, back then, 1999 seemed 
very far off, 2025 seemed a world away. As a result, I think it 
is useful to revisit treaties and seek to renegotiate them to 
update them to sort of current events. Of course, the United 
States has a considerable leverage it can use to seek such 
additional protocols to modernize these treaties to current 
events and current geopolitical realities.
    Senator Young. Makes great sense, and I am glad you spoke 
up. Thank you, Mr. Kontorovich.
    Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Thank you. I want to ask a couple of follow-
ups, and then we are going to wrap up the hearing.
    Commissioner Maffei you mentioned a minute ago, if a 
determination was made that this was having negative impacts on 
U.S. trade, you said there are a number of remedies that are 
possible, and you did not specify what those were. So I just 
wanted to ask what you were referring to?
    Mr. Maffei. Yes. I mean, there are certain things we can do 
as countermeasures, such as sanctioning Panamanian ships. That 
could be Panamanian flagships. The Panamanian flag is one of 
their major sources of revenue. It is the number one, what we 
call flag of convenience in the world. There are several 
others, and I think I would like to get back to you in writing. 
I mean, I am not trying to avoid the question but----
    The Chairman. Yes. And I would love if----
    Mr. Maffei. That way I can put--you know, we can--and we 
will, if you do not mind, we will get together and do a joint 
answer. We will put where our authority comes from, what we 
think we can do, and maybe even what we are concerned about or 
what the limits to that would be.
    The Chairman. Well, and I will say that this hearing has 
been a nice bipartisan demonstration of a lot of expertise. 
There is a reason you guys have the role you have because you 
know what you are talking about.
    Mr. Maffei. I am hoping my chairmanship, which ended last 
week after a full term, will result in a full, very successful 
term for my good friend and colleague as Chairman, may be the 
friendliest transition in Washington.
    The Chairman. Professor Kontorovich, I want to get back 
also to the exchange you had with Senator Young, and then it 
hearkens back to the opening exchange you and I had. We have 
heard testimony that Panama may well be in violation of this 
treaty in at least two regards: one, with respect to its 
obligation to keeping the Panama Canal neutral; and the major 
concessions to China, the control that China has over ports on 
both ends, and the bridge across the Canal, which has the 
potential to shut down transit.
    We also heard testimony about the degree of revenue that 
Panama is taking, and that is potentially in violation of the 
obligation that tolls and other charges shall be just, 
reasonable, equitable, and consistent with principles of 
international law.
    I want to ask you, Professor, assume that the United States 
makes the determination that Panama is in violation of this 
treaty. I asked about what the remedies were, and you mentioned 
at the time military force. Military force is always one 
potential remedy. What other potential remedies are there?
    And in particular, could a consequence of being in breach 
of the treaty be a determination that the treaty is null and 
void. That the concession of control of the Panama Canal to 
Panama is no longer in force? And could that, under 
international law, result in the United States returning to 
operating the Panama Canal? What is your judgment?
    Mr. Kontorovich. Yes, I think treaties like this 
demonstrate that countries really need to think long and hard 
before they give away strategic assets, because the United 
States is free to cancel this treaty at any time, withdraw from 
the treaty, as it were. But given that the United States has 
transferred control and sovereignty of the Canal Zone to 
Panama, the cancellation of the treaty would not necessarily 
reverse that concession.
    Concessions that have to do with sovereign control are not 
particularly reversible. For example, Israel made a deal with 
Lebanon to give maritime territory to Lebanon in exchange for 
peace just two years ago. It did not get peace. It is not clear 
that it can simply cancel and get that territory back.
    Now, it is the case that America can take all sorts of 
measures to insist on neutrality, and if neutrality means 
putting American firms in operation or otherwise taking other 
steps, that is something that can be done. But a kind of 
territorial control is not a clear remedy unless it is 
something that just accompanies the steps needed to restore the 
regime of neutrality.
    The Chairman. All right, well, I want to thank all the 
witnesses for their important testimony here today.
    Senators will have until the close of business on Tuesday, 
February 4, to submit questions for the record. The witnesses 
will have until the end of the day on Tuesday, February 18, to 
respond to those questions.
    And this concludes today's hearing. The Committee stands 
adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 12:23 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]

                            A P P E N D I X

     Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. John Thune to 
                           Hon. Louis E. Sola
    Question 1. Under the Foreign Shipping Practices Act, the Federal 
Maritime Commission (FMC) has the ability to investigate unfair 
shipping practices. Based on what you saw on your trip to the Panama in 
the summer of 2024, do you believe that Panama is treating the United 
States unfairly?
    Answer. The Federal Maritime Commission's ongoing monitoring of the 
operational and business practices of the Canal enables the agency to 
examine whether the practices, including pricing and the new 
reservation system, of the Panama Canal Authority create unfavorable 
shipping conditions in the U.S. foreign trade. If the Commission finds 
that such conditions exist and are due to the Canal Authority's 
practices and decisions, it can impose countervailing penalties, 
including port visit fees on Panamanian-flagged vessels. Panama's ship 
registry is among the largest in the world.
    The actions of the Government of the Republic of Panama, separate 
from the Canal Authority, should also be considered. Under Presidential 
administrations that preceded President Mulino, Chinese companies made 
notable commercial and diplomatic inroads to Panama. This came at the 
expense of other nations and parties that were not Panamanian or 
Chinese. Prevalent corruption at the highest levels of Panamanian 
society creates conditions favorable to the sort of checkbook 
``diplomacy'' routinely conducted by the People's Republic of China. 
The welcome reception previous Panamanian Presidential administrations 
gave the Chinese provided benefits to a strategic and economic 
competitor to the United States. In my opinion, this situation merits 
further engagement by the United States, including the Federal Maritime 
Commission.

    Question 2. Can you describe the relationship between Panama and 
China as it relates to the canal and associated infrastructure?
    Answer. The relationship between the Republic of Panama and the 
People's Republic of China grew closer under the administrations of 
previous Panamanian Presidents. While President Mulino does not seem to 
share the same intention as some of his predecessors to build closer 
ties to Beijing, over the years, the Chinese presence in Panama has 
become more deeply rooted across a number of critical sectors.
    Chinese companies involved in the transportation, terminal, 
telecommunications, construction, and logistics sectors are active in 
Panama and in many cases pursuing development deals. Chinese companies 
involved in trade and commerce have a significant presence in the Colon 
Free Trade Zone.
    While the Chinese presence in and around the Panama Canal should 
concern U.S. policymakers, the broad extent to which the People's 
Republic of China has made inroads throughout the Western Hemisphere 
must command our attention. Panama is but one of many nations 
throughout the Americas where the Chinese are building a stronger 
influence and gaining a surer foothold in port, bridge, rail, and other 
infrastructure projects.

    Question 3. Do you have reason to believe that Panama's unfair 
treatment is motivated by the country's increasingly close ties with 
China?
    Answer. There are several issues of concern to the Federal Maritime 
Commission.
    The first is the business practices of the Panama Canal Authority. 
The United States ran the Panama Canal on a model akin to a public 
utility. In recent years, the Panama Canal Authority appears to be 
treating the Panama Canal as a for-profit entity and seeking to 
maximize revenue production. The Commission has questions regarding how 
the Panama Canal Authority prices its services, its use of ancillary 
fees, and the use of an auction system during the recent drought and 
what appears to be continuing to today in some form. The Commission is 
continuing its monitoring of the practices of the Canal Authority and 
could initiate more formal proceedings.
    The second matter of concern to the Commission is what steps the 
Panama Canal Authority will take to mitigate against future droughts. 
Major infrastructure projects are necessary to increase water reserves 
necessary to operate the Panama Canal in dry years. The United States 
must be vigilant in making certain that engineering, design, 
construction, and related contracts for this project are awarded 
properly and free from both corruption and influence from China.
    A third matter of concern relates to potential rebating of fees 
paid to transit the Panama Canal. The Commission has reports that 
agencies within the Government of Panama (and separate from the Panama 
Canal Authority) have offered to rebate or refund Canal fees in 
exchange for stopping at certain facilities in Panama. Some of these 
facilities have direct or indirect ties to the People's Republic of 
China. These allegations deserve further review and if proven could 
raise questions about whether the Government of the Republic of Panama 
is engaging in conditions unfavorable to shipping.
    The cause of the matters commanding our attention are more likely 
driven by money. Considering circumstances in Panama beyond the limits 
of Commission authorities, however, should give one concern about the 
strong foothold the People's Republic of China and its proxies have 
established in a part of the world critical to the economic, 
diplomatic, and security interests of the United States.

    Question 4. Based on the various experiences you have had over your 
career working in Panama, can you explain how Panama's treatment 
towards the United States has changed over time?
    Answer. Bilateral relationships are never static, but the Republic 
of Panama and the United States of America have enjoyed close, 
favorable, and mutually beneficial relations for most of the past 122 
years.
    The decade between 2015 and 2025 was aberrant in that Presidential 
administrations of that era took deliberate steps toward the People's 
Republic of China. Beijing made many promises to the government and 
people of Panama and delivered on very few of them. To the extent 
anyone benefitted from any of the development promised by China, it was 
Chinese companies and citizens and not local populations. That access 
to Chinese largesse was at least in part contingent upon the Republic 
of Panama severing relations with the Republic of Taiwan, which makes 
the improved relations between Panama and the PRC all the more 
distasteful.
    President Mulino seems to desire cordial relations with the United 
States. Additionally, he does not seem to share the same instincts as 
some of his predecessors when it comes to relations with China.
    On a much more personal note, despite how the relationships between 
nations might wax and wane, I have never noticed anything less than 
good will among the Panamanian people toward the United States. Our two 
nations have more that binds us in common than sets us apart; the 
average Panamanian knows this.

    Question 5. From your analysis, does the Panama Canal pose a 
significant security threat to the United States?
    Answer. The Panama Canal itself does not pose a significant 
security threat to the United States, but the risk of loss of access to 
the Canal, caused either by weather conditions or the increased 
presence and influence of the People's Republic of China in and around 
the Canal, and throughout Panama, certainly does.
    The Chinese have for decades engaged in a comprehensive and 
integrated level of investment and overtures to increase their 
influence and presence globally. Beijing dangles increased trade 
coupled with infrastructure development projects to lure other nations 
into the Sinosphere. Many of the development projects the Chinese are 
most interested in pursuing are related to ports, railroads, and other 
infrastructure associated with trade and logistics. Many of China's 
projects are ``dual use'' in nature, meaning that they can be easily 
repurposed to support Chinese military operations. In the case of some 
telecommunications, research, and space related developments, including 
in the Americas, it is not unreasonable to assume that those facilities 
could be involved in intelligence gathering operations, activities 
designed to improve capabilities of the Chinese missile forces, or 
towards the further militarization of space.
    What is happening in Panama is an alarm bell for U.S. policymakers 
to look north and south from the Isthmus and see the extent to which 
the People's Republic of China has embedded itself on the American 
continents.
    I believe it is worth noting that Panama Canal Authority essential 
personnel, such as marine traffic controllers and the pilots who 
transit the ships through the Canal, are forced to pass through Chinese 
security on the Atlantic side as the facility they use, the Panama 
Canal Port Captain's Office, is located within the Hutchison ports 
complex. This is clearly visible on Google Maps.
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    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Roger Wicker to 
                           Hon. Louis E. Sola
    Question 1. In 1996, a U.S. marine terminal operator bid and was 
awarded a terminal lease contract by Panamanian authorities. Panamanian 
authorities re-bid the contract in a process determined by the Federal 
Maritime Commission (FMC) to be commercially ``irregular.'' 
Subsequently, that contract was awarded to a PRC-controlled marine 
terminal operator. Another terminal lease contract was awarded to the 
PRC-controlled marine terminal operator on the other coast. Those lease 
agreements continue to this day.
    Given national security concerns, would it be in the United States' 
national security interest for Panamanian authorities to reevaluate the 
propriety of extending those PRC-controlled marine terminal operators 
additional lease options?
    Answer. Yes.
    The Comptroller General of Panama initiated an audit of the 
Panamanian-based operations of Hutchison Ports in January.

    Question 1a. Of even more urgent concern than terminals in Panama 
is terminals in the United States. Has the FMC assessed the PRC-
controlled investment and levels of operational control at US-based 
marine terminals? Would you provide the Committee with an assessment of 
PRC investment and control of U.S. marine terminals?
    Answer. The Federal Maritime Commission has not to date conducted 
an assessment of investment by the People's Republic of China, or 
companies based in China in marine terminals based in the United 
States. I will task the Commission's Bureau of Trade Analysis to 
conduct such a survey and commit to sharing the results of their review 
with you immediately upon conclusion.
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    Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Dan Sullivan to 
                           Hon. Louis E. Sola
    Question. Chairman Sola, congratulations on your appointment as 
chair of the Commission. The Commission has an important role to play 
in ocean commerce, and we look forward to working with you on those 
issues. Over the past several years, we've witnessed the Commission's 
efforts to expand its jurisdiction over chassis and rail terminals. 
I've expressed my concern over that expansive approach, preferring 
market-based solutions to regulatory overreach. So, as it relates to 
the Panama Canal, can you please explain to the committee the FMC's 
jurisdiction over Panama or operations of the canal? I'm asking so that 
the committee not only has a clearer understanding of your jurisdiction 
but also of the tools at our disposal to addressing matters involving 
the Panama Canal.
    Answer. I am grateful for your well wishes and honored to have this 
opportunity to serve.
    I share your concern about any government agency exceeding its 
statutory authorities and I am mindful of the limits of the laws we 
administer.
    The Commission authorities applicable to how the Panama Canal 
Authority operates the Panama Canal are 46 U.S.C. 421 and 46 U.S.C. 
423.
    The Commission began its examination of how the Panama Canal 
Authority was managing through drought conditions, as well as changes 
to its pricing structure, following repeated reports from shippers, 
cargo owners, shipping lines, forwarders, and even officials of other 
governments expressing frustrations of the conduct of the Canal 
Authority.
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    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Eric Schmitt to 
                           Hon. Louis E. Sola
    Question 1. In 2021, the Ever Given container ship was grounded in 
the Suez Canal, for 6 days. It resulted in $9.6 billion of trade 
delayed each day. If the Panama Canal were blocked and ships were 
forced to circumnavigate Cape Horn, what would be the economic 
repercussions?
    Answer. Although the Federal Maritime Commission has not conducted 
an economic modeling analysis on the increased costs if all vessels 
were forced to go around Cape Horn instead of using the Panama Canal, 
it is safe to say that this would be a significant shock to the freight 
delivery system. Such effects would not be limited to the value of 
goods in transit taking the longer route. Shipping companies, shippers, 
and consumers would be faced with higher costs related to increased 
crew requirements, higher insurance, more fuel necessary to make the 
longer voyage, disrupted supply chains, and loss of business 
opportunities for commodities with short shelf lives.
    Closures of the Suez Canal resulting from the grounding of the Ever 
Given or Houthi attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea provide 
useful examples to make informed presumptions about the consequences of 
a closed Panama Canal. The Commission held a hearing on February 7, 
2024, to examine the effects of Houthi attacks in the Red Sea, and 
heard evidence that the Houthi attacks on merchant shipping in the Red 
Sea and Gulf of Aden had serious consequences for ocean commerce.
    Moreover, recent experience has demonstrated that the Panama Canal 
does not have to shut down entirely for U.S. supply chains to feel the 
consequences. The Panama Canal's service level was significantly 
reduced in 2024 as the result of drought conditions, which in turn 
caused significant operational and commercial impacts. The Panama Canal 
Authority was forced to reduce the overall number of transits by almost 
40 percent. Some ships were not permitted to transit the Canal, the 
carrying capacity of other vessels had to be reduced, and some 
companies explored land bridging the Isthmus. The cost to transit the 
Canal rose as the Panama Canal Authority auctioned off transit 
reservations to the highest bidder, causing companies transporting high 
value time sensitive cargoes to pay record rates to jump the queue of 
ships. Other shipping companies paid higher operating costs in both 
having to loiter for a transit slot to open and disruptions to vessel 
schedules. In other words, a loss of less than half of the operational 
capacity of the Panama Canal led to fewer ships carrying less cargo for 
higher costs and at opportunities lost.
    Finally, there is one crucial impact to the American economy and 
consumers from a closure of the Panama Canal that we can be sure of--
the economic impact would disproportionately affect American companies 
and interests. In excess of 70 percent of the traffic transiting the 
Panama Canal is either U.S. origin or destined, whereas the majority of 
the traffic through the Suez Canal serves European markets. 
Irrespective of the value of the trade having to go around Cape Horn, 
or the added costs and time from such a journey, the United States 
would endure any disruption to the operations of the Panama Canal more 
than any other nation.

    Question 1a. Are there contingency plans in place to mitigate the 
economic fallout if the Panama Canal were blocked, similar to the 
disruption caused by the Ever Given incident in the Suez Canal?
    Answer. The Commission does not have jurisdiction over the 
contingency plans of the commercial shipping companies that use the 
Canal. It seems likely that their experiences during the drought that 
caused significant cutbacks in Canal passages would inform their future 
risk assessments.

    Question 2. How does the presence of Chinese-affiliated entities at 
critical Canal infrastructure, like Balboa and Cristobal, compromise 
the neutrality mandated by the 1977 Neutrality Treaty? In your 
assessment, should we consider Hong Kong-based companies subject to the 
PRC's national security laws as purely commercial? How does the PRC's 
civil-military fusion model pose a risk to the neutrality mandated in 
the 1977 Neutrality Treaty?
    Answer. I cannot speak to how actions of the Republic of Panama 
and/or the Panama Canal Authority might compromise the neutrality 
requirements of the 1977 Neutrality Treaty. I will note that 
circumstances have established sufficient doubt that some experts now 
argue that the Panamanians are in breach of their commitments. As 
Chairman of the Federal Maritime Commission, I am interested in how the 
Government of the Republic of Panama and the Panama Canal Authority 
treat maritime commerce and charge for use of the Canal. I note that 
the Commission also regulates common carriers that are owned or 
controlled by the PRC. The Commission scrutinizes these government-
controlled carriers under 46 U.S.C. Chapter 407 to ensure that they do 
not use their state-sponsored position to distort the commercial 
shipping market. One such company is COSCO, which was recently found by 
the U.S. Department of Defense to be a Chinese military company under 
Section 1260H of the William M. (``Mac'') Thornberry National Defense 
Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021.
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    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Jacky Rosen to 
                            Daniel B. Maffei
    Question 1. It is critical for us to maintain strong diplomatic 
relations with Panama, which has been a close and longstanding U.S. 
ally. Since his inauguration last year, President Mulino's government 
has been a partner on major U.S. foreign policy and national security 
objectives, including regional approaches to addressing migration, 
standing up to the Maduro regime in Venezuela, leading on the Alliance 
for Development in Democracy (ADD), and much more. Panama also 
works closely with other U.S. allies, having been one of Israel's 
staunchest supporters in Latin America for years. I also share my 
colleagues' concerns with increased presence from China in and around 
the canal, but we must ensure our actions do not have the unintended 
consequence of pushing our allies away from collaboration with the U.S. 
and closer to the PRC.
    Do you have concerns that aggressive, unilateral statements about 
``taking back the canal'' could inadvertently push Panama to deepen 
ties with China?
    Answer. The PRC's diplomatic, military, or economic advancement 
with any of the United States' allies is always concerning to me. In 
the case of Panama, I too share the concerns of you, Senator Rosen, and 
your colleagues that companies linked with the PRC are making inroads 
in or around the Panama Canal. When Chairman Sola and I visited Panama 
last year, however, President Mulino and Canal officials were very 
receptive to our presence and appeared, to me at least, to be eager to 
engage in continued cooperation with the Federal Maritime Commission 
and the U.S. overall with regards to the operation of the Canal. Since 
that time, I have not received any indication from Panamanian officials 
that their cooperation with our agency in particular or the U.S. 
government in general is in jeopardy. Certainly, the Canal remains of 
vital importance to the United States' economy and global maritime 
commerce and efficient and predictable access to the Canal for ships 
making port calls in the United States remains a high priority for the 
Federal Maritime Commission.

    Question 2. Despite facing robust sanctions from the U.S. and 
others, Iran has managed to build a vast network of tankers to 
facilitate its illicit oil exports, raising around $54 billion in oil 
revenues in 2023 alone. Iran uses these revenues to fund its terrorist 
proxies, its nuclear program, and other destabilizing behavior around 
the world. In recent years, the U.S. has deepened its cooperation with 
Panama to put a stop to Iran's tanker fleet, and continuing this 
cooperation is a national security imperative.
    How could President Trump's unilateral actions with respect to the 
canal undermine our partnership with the government of Panama to 
crackdown on the illicit transport of Iranian oil?
    Answer. This is not an area where I have any access to classified 
national security information. My answer is only informed by the 
discussions Chairman Sola and I had with Panamanian government 
officials concerning the issue of Iranian ships bearing Panamanian 
flags being granted passage through the Canal last summer. At that 
time, the Panamanian authorities were taking decisive action to address 
this issue through an aggressive program to de-flag Iranian vessels 
having connections to the funding of terrorist organizations and other 
illicit causes. The Panamanians reported to us that they would continue 
to de-flag any such vessels to thwart the Iranian's efforts in the 
future. I have no knowledge beyond that given to us by Panamanian 
authorities and have received no information that their position on the 
issue has changed.
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      Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Andy Kim to 
                            Daniel B. Maffei
    Question 1. Is China operating the Panama Canal?
    Answer. Based on the materials available to me, which does not 
include any classified national security information related to this 
topic, from my personal observations and knowledge gained while in 
Panama, and as reported in open sources, I have no information or 
knowledge that the Panama Canal is being operated by anyone other than 
the Panama Canal Authority, which is an independent agency of the 
Panamanian government.

    Question 2. Does CK Hutchison Holdings, the Hong Kong-based 
conglomerate that received the contract to manage the Balboa and 
Cristobal ports, control the locks or entrance to the canal?
    Answer. Based on the materials available to me, which does not 
include any classified national security information related to this 
topic, from my personal observations and knowledge while in Panama, and 
as reported in open sources, I have no information or knowledge that 
the Panama Canal, including its entrances and locks, is being operated 
by anyone other than the Panama Canal Authority, which is an 
independent agency of the Panamanian government. Certainly, however, 
the Ports of Balboa and Cristobal are operated by CK Hutchison 
Holdings. These ports are geographically proximate, but currently do 
not exert control over the waters that ships traverse to approach and 
exit the Canal.

    Question 3. Is Balboa or Cristobal Canal under the jurisdiction of 
the Panama Canal Authority? And what is your assessment of the Panama 
Canal Authority and their ability to administer the Canal?
    Answer. Based on the materials available to me, which does not 
include any classified national security information related to this 
topic, and as reported in open sources, it is my understanding that the 
Panama Maritime Authority (a separate agency from the Panama Canal 
Authority) has primary jurisdiction over the Ports of Balboa and 
Cristobal.
    Based on the materials available to me, which does not include any 
classified national security information related to this topic, from my 
personal observations and knowledge gained while in Panama, and as 
reported in open sources, the Panama Canal Authority has competently 
run the Canal. As discussed during the hearing, the low water levels at 
the Canal have presented capacity issues. That said, I believe the 
Canal Authority has, and continues, to take steps towards implementing 
short-and long-term solutions to these issues, including working with 
the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to plan new infrastructure projects 
geared at alleviating the Canal's water supply. In terms of a business, 
the Canal Authority generally makes a profit on the Canal, which they 
maintain goes to improvements, administrative costs at the Canal, and 
payments back to the government of Panama. In contrast, when the United 
States managed the Canal through the U.S. Canal Authority, the Canal 
was often operated at a deficit.
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    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Eric Schmitt to 
                           Eugene Kontorovich
    Question 1. How do Chinese national security laws ensure that even 
``private'' companies that are based in China remain beholden to the 
CCP?
    Answer. China's law requires that ``all organizations and citizens 
shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence 
efforts.''

    Question 2. Some critics of President Trump's rhetoric around the 
Panama Canal argue that the companies in question, like CK Hutchinson, 
are Hong Kong-based, and therefore outside of the scope of Beijing 
influence. However, Hong Kong's 2019 national security laws effectively 
ended the ``one country, two systems'' framework that the CCP had 
committed to. Now Hong Kong companies are just as beholden to the CCP 
as mainland companies. Do you see a meaningful distinction between Hong 
Kong and the mainland in terms of subjection to draconian CCP state 
control?
    Answer. Even if Hong Kong companies are somewhat less subject to 
CCP control, this does not mean the degree of control would not be 
enough to raise questions under the Neutrality Treaty. In any case, the 
Hong Kong national security law is only one way a communist regime with 
absolute power can extract compliance from nominally private entities. 
The power to arrest, confiscate, etc., without serious legal recourse 
create a relationship of subservience unlike private companies in free 
countries.
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     Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. John Thune to 
                             Joseph Kramek
    Question. Since the Panama Canal's dynamic pricing model was 
unveiled in 2016, how have production costs been impacted and how does 
this hurt producers and consumers?
    Answer. WSC does not have access to information on how U.S. 
production costs for exporters and importers have been impacted by the 
Panama Canal Authority (PCA) pricing model.
    WSC member lines, like other carriers, pay the PCA's published 
rates to transit the Canal. If the published rates change, there are 
often contingency provisions in the contracts between the carrier and 
the shipper customer (i.e., the exporter or importer) that can 
accommodate the change in rates or surcharges.
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    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Jacky Rosen to 
                             Joseph Kramek
    Question 1. The Panama Canal is essential for international supply 
chains, handling about forty percent of all U.S. seaborne container 
trade. However, the number of ships that are permitted to travel 
through the Panama Canal has significantly fallen in recent years due 
to drought, which has increased costs for shipping companies and raised 
concerns about the Canal's aging infrastructure and Panama's ability to 
manage the water supply. Without increased water supply, the canal 
could lose significant amounts of business, affecting shipping costs 
and the supply chain and eventually raising prices on consumers.
    How are American companies adjusting to the concern about reduced 
traffic at the Panama Canal? What has been the impact on the costs for 
shipping companies using the canal, and are you concerned that these 
costs will be passed along to consumers?
    Answer. Liner shipping experienced the least impact from the 
drought of all vessel sectors, because liners know their schedules 
often up to a year in advance--and therefore will typically book canal 
transit reservations in advance. The reservations made by our members 
were honored by the Panama Canal Authority (PCA) during the drought. 
Notably, there was an increased wait time for vessels transiting the 
Panama Canal during the drought; that said the average wait time for 
container vessels transiting from North to South (Atlantic Ocean to the 
Pacific Ocean) did not exceed 1.5 days, and for container vessels 
transiting from South to the North (Pacific to Atlantic) the average 
wait time did not exceed 1.8 days.
    Water levels in the Panama Canal have recovered since the drought, 
and the Panama Canal is currently operating without the restrictions 
implemented during the drought.
    WSC member lines pay the PCA's published tariff rate for canal 
transits. If the published rates change, many liners' contracts with 
their shipper customers (i.e., the importers and exporters) contain 
contingency provisions that can accommodate changes in rates.

    Question 2. What can the U.S. do to partner with Panama to address 
water shortages, and to ensure resilience to climate change?
    Answer. WSC understands that the Panama Canal Authority has a 
longstanding relationship with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (ACOE) 
and has previously signed contracts with the ACOE for consultation and 
technical advisory services for the Water Projects Program--which 
consists of a portfolio of projects to supply additional water sources 
to make the Canal's operations more sustainable during future periods 
of droughts. More broadly, the ACOE has a long history of working with 
Panama and the PCA.
    Continued agreements with the ACOE and other U.S. government 
agencies with expertise in this area, as well as U.S. private entities 
supporting this work, could have the dual benefit of enhancing the 
partnership between the U.S. and Panama, and protecting this vital 
trade artery.

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