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                       TED CRUZ, Texas, Chairman
JOHN THUNE, South Dakota             MARIA CANTWELL, Washington, 
ROGER WICKER, Mississippi                Ranking
DEB FISCHER, Nebraska                AMY KLOBUCHAR, Minnesota
JERRY MORAN, Kansas                  BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii
DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska                 EDWARD MARKEY, Massachusetts
MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee          GARY PETERS, Michigan
TODD YOUNG, Indiana                  TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin
TED BUDD, North Carolina             TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois
ERIC SCHMITT, Missouri               JACKY ROSEN, Nevada
JOHN CURTIS, Utah                    BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico
BERNIE MORENO, Ohio                  JOHN HICKENLOOPER, Colorado
TIM SHEEHY, Montana                  JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania
SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West Virginia  ANDY KIM, New Jersey
CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming              LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER, Delaware
                 Brad Grantz, Republican Staff Director
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                   Lila Harper Helms, Staff Director
                 Melissa Porter, Deputy Staff Director
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Hearing held on February 19, 2025................................     1
Statement of Senator Cruz........................................     1
Statement of Senator Cantwell....................................     3
Statement of Senator Wicker......................................    29
Statement of Senator Fischer.....................................    31
Statement of Senator Klobuchar...................................    32
Statement of Senator Blackburn...................................    34
Statement of Senator Rosen.......................................    36
Statement of Senator Budd........................................    37
Statement of Senator Schmitt.....................................    40
Statement of Senator Hickenlooper................................    41
Statement of Senator Curtis......................................    43
Statement of Senator Kim.........................................    45
Statement of Senator Moreno......................................    47

                               Witnesses

Prof. Thomas Hazlett, Hugh H. Macaulay Endowed Professor of 
  Economics, Clemson University..................................     5
    Prepared statement...........................................     6
Charles P. Baylis, Ph.D., Professor of Electrical and Computer 
  Engineering, Baylor University, and Director, SMART Hub........     8
    Prepared statement...........................................    10
Matthew Pearl, Director, Strategic Technologies Program, Center 
  for Strategic and International Studies........................    11
    Prepared statement...........................................    13
Bryan Clark, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute.....................    17
    Prepared statement...........................................    19

                                Appendix

Response to written questions submitted to Dr. Thomas Hazlett by:
    Hon. John Thune..............................................    51
    Hon. Todd Young..............................................    52
    Hon. Brian Schatz............................................    52
    Hon. Tammy Baldwin...........................................    53
    Hon. Ben Ray Lujan...........................................    53
Response to written questions submitted to Dr. Charles Baylis by:
    Hon. John Thune..............................................    54
    Hon. Todd Young..............................................    55
    Hon. Ted Budd................................................    56
    Hon. Maria Cantwell..........................................    57
    Hon. Ben Ray Lujan...........................................    58
Response to written questions submitted to Matthew Pearl by:
    Hon. John Thune..............................................    59
    Hon. Todd Young..............................................    60
    Hon. Ted Budd................................................    60
    Hon. Maria Cantwell..........................................    61
    Hon. Edward Markey...........................................    63
    Hon. Ben Ray Lujan...........................................    63
    Hon. Lisa Blunt Rochester....................................    64
Response to written questions submitted to Bryan Clark by:
    Hon. Todd Young..............................................    64
    Hon. Ted Budd................................................    65
    Hon. Maria Cantwell..........................................    65
    Hon. Brian Schatz............................................    66
    Hon. Edward Markey...........................................    68
    Hon. Lisa Blunt Rochester....................................    68

 
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                      WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2025

                                       U.S. Senate,
        Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:11 a.m., in 
room SR-253, Russell Senate Office Building, Hon. Ted Cruz, 
Chairman of the Committee, presiding.
    Present: Senators Cruz [presiding], Wicker, Fischer, 
Blackburn, Young, Budd, Schmitt, Curtis, Moreno, Sheehy, 
Cantwell, Klobuchar, Peters, Baldwin, Rosen, Lujan, 
Hickenlooper, Kim, and Blunt Rochester.

              OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. TED CRUZ, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM TEXAS

    Chairman Cruz. All right. We will now move onto the 
hearing. Good morning.
    Auctioning spectrum has been one of the most successful 
drivers of American innovation, economic growth, and global 
technology leadership. Spectrum auctions have unlocked billions 
for the Treasury while enabling our Nation's wireless networks 
to deliver faster, better connectivity, fueling the rise of 
breakthroughs from the iPhone to generative AI. This has 
created millions of jobs, spurred new industries, positioned 
American companies at the forefront of global innovation, and, 
most importantly, improved the lives of American consumers.
    The next wireless leap, whether it is driverless cars, 
remote surgeries, or air taxis, may be just around the corner. 
But whether Americans will reap the benefits--and whether it 
will be made here or overseas--depends on our will to unlock 
more spectrum.
    We stand today at a critical juncture. It has been two 
years since the FCC lost auction authority and three years 
since the last meaningful auction of spectrum valuable to 
American consumers. The dithering and the inaction sadly 
characteristic of the prior administration yielded nothing. 
Meanwhile, our spectrum innovation lags the rest of the world 
as China, an adversarial surveillance state, threatens to 
control worldwide communication networks.
    Thanks to this new Congress and the historic election of 
President Trump, we have an opportunity to build better and 
faster networks, to create tens of thousands of high-paying 
jobs, and to secure America's global technological lead.
    The Spectrum Pipeline Act, which Leader Thune, Senator 
Blackburn, and I introduced last year, would restore FCC 
auction authority and end our spectrum drought. Through a clear 
pipeline of mid-band spectrum, American companies will have the 
certainty they need to invest billions in their networks and 
lead the world in revolutionary innovation.
    Certain special interests, aligned with adversaries like 
Huawei, have falsely portrayed a spectrum pipeline as a blunt 
instrument to deprive the Defense Department of the spectrum it 
needs to engage in 21st century warfare.
    To the contrary, our bill ensures both consumer interests 
and defense capabilities are protected. The bill has a generous 
time-frame for performing the necessary feasibility studies so 
Federal missions are not degraded. And it uses the existing 
deliberative process, which is carried out by technical experts 
across the Federal Government, including DoD, to begin 
auctioning a fraction of underutilized Federal spectrum.
    But studies are not enough to spur action: we need clear 
goals. For many years now, U.S. Government incumbents, 
particularly bureaucrats at the Pentagon under the direction of 
Mark Milley, have insisted they are using every single 
megahertz as efficiently as possible and must maintain absolute 
control of their vast spectrum holdings.
    Look, I am more than open to compromise on what the 
aggregate pipeline target number should be, but zero is 
objectively unreasonable. And no institution should be afforded 
blind deference, especially not one that cannot even pass an 
audit and that claimed that leaving billions in tanks, 
helicopters, and weapons in Afghanistan was more efficient than 
bringing them home.
    But do not just take it from me. Military analysts with 
firsthand expertise agree that we are falling behind, both in 
terms of its effective usage and in the development of 
intellectual property and wireless capabilities. Further, the 
Pentagon is not the only user of the airwaves globally. Many of 
the bands used by DoD currently are used commercially in 
countries like Taiwan, Japan, and Korea. If DoD is technically 
unable to operate alongside wireless carriers using these bands 
domestically, how on Earth can we expect it to prevail in a 
Pacific conflict? It simply is not credible.
    There are also significant opportunity costs for our 
national defense in delaying spectrum auctions. A pipeline 
would be lucrative, raising $100 billion or more that could go 
directly to rebuilding our military, to funding border 
security, and to financing Coast Guard polar icebreakers. That 
is an incredibly valuable offset for the reconciliation process 
we are undergoing right now.
    But the risk of doing nothing is broader than lost revenue. 
We are fighting a global technology race against communist 
China. If we do not catch up and lead, it will be Huawei that 
creates the backbone of tomorrow's global communication 
networks through which much of the world's economic traffic--
and indeed, much of our own government's traffic--will flow. 
Chinese infiltrations, like the recent Salt Typhoon attack and 
the release of DeepSeek, are but a small preview of a future 
where Chinese equipment sets the standards and dominates global 
networks. Negative ripple effects cascade indefinitely from 
there, handicapping our efforts in other adjacent technologies 
like AI, quantum, and semiconductors, and threatening to make 
America the loser in the 21st century technology race. We 
cannot allow that to happen. Now is the time.
    Let me make a final point. The Commerce Committee, as we 
take up reconciliation, will move forward on spectrum. It would 
be an abdication of our responsibility to do anything 
otherwise. We must move quickly and together to preserve the 
Promethean flame of American technology and to bolster our 
national security for years to come. We must prevail in the 
race against China.
    I recognize the Ranking Member.

               STATEMENT OF HON. MARIA CANTWELL, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM WASHINGTON

    Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thanks for 
convening this important hearing. I look forward to hearing all 
our witnesses and your expert testimony on this subject, and I 
look forward to working with the Chairman and all my colleagues 
in any way possible to resolve our previous conflicts on these 
issues.
    Last Congress, the Committee worked to expand commercial 
spectrum access while protecting critical Department of Defense 
and Federal system infrastructure, and I think we can all agree 
on two facts. First, the commercial industry needs access to 
more spectrum to innovate and bring new technologies to market. 
But second, the vital national security, aviation security and 
essential Federal capabilities that rely on Spectrum must be 
protected.
    One of our witnesses, I think, characterized it best. Mr. 
Clark, in his testimony, said, ``The U.S. military will need to 
operate in additional areas of electronic electromagnetic 
spectrum to address the increasing challenges of the threat 
environment to overcome its numerical and geographic 
disadvantages to China.''
    I could not agree more. During the last Congress, I worked 
to try to balance those access issues with national security 
efforts, and many of my colleagues on this committee have 
directed the Department of Commerce to have a larger role in 
trying to define the issues of agency overlap in this area of 
spectrum.
    That led to the Department of Commerce and the Joint Chiefs 
of Staff agreeing on the legislation that we put forward that 
would open up more spectrum for commercial uses, and study 
basically how we could work together on spectrum sharing. So I 
want to continue to focus on how we get this right. We need to 
ensure that our global leadership and advanced wireless 
technology against China is there. However, we need legislation 
and leadership that does not abandon our national security 
goals.
    I know it is easy to say this is what I want to do, but I 
am firmly convinced, when looking at the past history here, the 
only thing that is going to work is the collaborative, 
hardworking efforts and probably test bedding of technology 
that will allow us to get this right for the future.
    In 2019, the FCC auctioned 24 gigahertz band, endangering 
our ability to track and predict hurricanes. In 2020, the FCC 
approved Ligado's petition to use satellite spectrum for 5G and 
risk severely disrupting essential GPS service. The U.S. 
Government is now facing a $39 billion lawsuit because of that 
debacle.
    And in 2020, the FCC also rushed to auction the C-band, 
which was adjacent to spectrum used by airline altimeters. 
Concerns about interference with those flight safety systems 
nearly caused the FAA to ground all flights. It also put $81 
billion worth of private investment by wireless industry at 
risk, significantly delaying the deployment of 5G in the United 
States.
    In early 2000, Congress had to spend about a billion 
dollars replacing the radar system on the B-2 stealth bomber 
because of uncoordinated changes to spectrum allocations. This 
is exactly what I am talking about when we say we need to work 
together. We cannot continue to have this play out in a way 
where we are not thinking about our military capabilities.
    In Ukraine, we are seeing how essential spectrum is every 
day. The Russians are jamming Ukraine drones, communications, 
GPS, and satellites. This all shows that our military needs to 
be nimbler, more flexible, if we are going to succeed in our 
operations in that kind of contested and congested spectrum 
environment.
    And let's face it. Today our warfare does depend on 
spectrum-enabled communications. As one brigadier general who 
is in charge of cyberspace and war fighting said, ``Spectrum is 
no longer just an enabler of the warfare. It is the warfare.''
    So today's victories and battles really will depend on us 
getting this right, and if we lose the spectrum war, we lose 
the war.
    Today's hearing is about how we keep the U.S. globally 
competitive, while China and Russia and other foreign 
adversaries are making inroads that we need to assert our 
leadership in the rest of the world. So I would like to work 
with my colleagues on legislation that would help us get this 
right and continue to move forward.
    I will also note that President Trump, in Mr. Clark's 
testimony, has a line, quote, ``The most challenging driver of 
U.S. spectrum policy access requirements will be the Trump 
administration's initiative to establish a comprehensive 
missile defense architecture for the United States,'' end 
quote. Well, I do not know how we can do that if we give the 
spectrum away.
    So I look forward to today's hearing, and I thank my 
colleagues and the Chairman for this important hearing.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. I will now introduce the 
distinguished panel of experts we have testifying.
    Joining us today is Dr. Thomas Hazlett, Professor of 
Economics at Clemson University. Dr. Hazlett served as the 
Chief Economist of the FCC, and is a noted expert in 
telecommunications policy. His book, ``The Political 
Spectrum,'' chronicles the history of American spectrum 
regulation and how spectrum policy reforms, such as public 
auctions, generated explosive technological innovation and 
economic growth.
    Our second witness is Dr. Charles Baylis, a Professor of 
Electrical and Computer Engineering at Baylor University, the 
oldest continuing operating university in the great state of 
Texas. Dr. Baylis currently serves as Director of SMART Hub, a 
DoD Spectrum Innovation Center that organizes research efforts 
among 25 researchers across 15 universities, to revolutionize 
the increasingly crowded spectrum used by both DoD and non-
military users.
    Our third witness is Matt Pearl, Director of the Strategic 
Technologies Program at the Center for Strategic and 
International Studies. Mr. Pearl has more than 15 years of 
government service, including most recently as advisor to the 
National Security Council. Prior to that, Mr. Pearl served as 
Associate Bureau Chief of the Wireless Telecommunications 
Bureau at the FCC, where he helped transition the use of DoD 
spectrum to include commercial wireless use in multiple bands.
    And our final witness, Bryan Clark, is a Senior Fellow and 
Director of the Center for Defense Concepts and Technology at 
the Hudson Institute. From 1982 to 2013, he served in a variety 
of roles in the United States Navy. While in the Navy, Mr. 
Clark received the Department of Navy Superior Service Medal 
and the Legion of Merit.
    And we will start, Dr. Hazlett, with you. You are 
recognized.

           STATEMENT OF PROF. THOMAS HAZLETT, HUGH H.

            MACAULAY ENDOWED PROFESSOR OF ECONOMICS,

                       CLEMSON UNIVERSITY

    Dr. Hazlett. Thanks very much, and I thank everyone for 
their kind invitation to participate in today's discussion.
    Radio spectrum is a vital component of the modern economy, 
yet artificial scarcity has been imposed by public policies 
that prevent entrepreneurs from moving underutilized spectrum 
resources into their highest-valued uses. Such impediments have 
long been a problem. Dating to the 1927 Radio Act, facets of 
the law require ``Mother May I?'' The term of art describes the 
slow process wherein idle bandwidth is discovered, defined in 
scope, and then transitioned into productive employments.
    Needless permissions and red tape too often limit markets 
and impede America's economic growth. Bands have been reserved 
for maritime communications in Utah. The Forestry Service has 
enjoyed exclusive frequency rights in New York City. And today, 
some 35 channels from the TV Allocation Table of 1952 are still 
reserved for terrestrial over-the-air broadcasting. I Love Lucy 
may have benefited from this arrangement back in the day, but 
we now have more efficient means to deliver video using cable, 
satellites, and broadband internet.
    These long lags continue to plague entrepreneurial 
ventures, reduce competition, and frustrate wireless consumers 
desiring more bandwidth for enhanced communication. Yet the 
good news is that U.S. policy has not been static. American 
regulators have taken corrective actions to promote 
liberalization, in particular, market-oriented policies have 
relaxed mandates for how spectrum must be utilized. In granting 
users and licensees wider discretion via flexible use spectrum 
rights, enormously valuable new competitive forms have been 
unleashed. Today, over ten times as much bandwidth is available 
for mobile wireless than in the mid 1990s. Vast mobile 
ecosystems have, as a result, bloomed. In addition, competitive 
bidding--auctions--assigns such rights, replacing arbitrary 
distributions.
    Recent decades have brought experiments with new methods, 
and even the ones hidebound FCC has innovated. In the early 
1990s, the introduction of what became known as second-
generation cellar, or 2G wireless, was held up for some years 
by protests registered by holders of micro-wave allotments. 
These incumbents claimed catastrophe would result from any 
change in band access rights.
    As is often the case, such claims were overwrought. The 
situation was put into clearer focus and resolved by a clever 
FCC policy, an ``overlay.'' This approach granted emerging 2G 
networks the right to utilize vacant frequencies in the micro-
wave band under ``flexible use.'' Further, the overlays granted 
to the new licensee secondary rights over spectrum occupied by 
the micro-wave transmissions. This protected incumbents but 
gave life to entrants by defining the spectrum access rights 
needed for bargains to be struck. Investors in 2G networks were 
able to pay incumbents to move aside, using alternative 
technologies or other frequencies, so as to free up bandwidth 
for higher-valued services. The holdup ended, airways became 
available, and the U.S., then lagging EU countries in digital 
wireless, began to innovate and forge global leadership in 
emerging networks service.
    The overlay policy has since been used in numerous contexts 
by U.S. regulators.
    Overlays were modified in Auction 107 held in 2020-2021. 
The 500 MHz allocated there had appeared crowded, congested, 
and unavailable to entrants. In fact, with Incentive payments, 
the entrants relocated. Winning bidders paid $94 billion for 
the new licenses. Of that, some $13 billion was passed through 
to the incumbents.
    The reconfiguration of the band took less than 4 years, 
lightning fast in spectrum regulation time.
    Such mechanisms have improved incentives for cooperation in 
the process of radio spectrum reallocation. Many more targets 
of opportunity for efficient reforms in radio spectrum await. 
Thank you very much.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Hazlett follows:]

 Prepared Statement of Prof. Thomas Hazlett, Hugh H. Macaulay Endowed 
               Professor of Economics, Clemson University
    Thank you for your invitation to participate in today's discussion 
of radio spectrum allocation. I am an economist who has studied this 
and related issues, publishing numerous research articles and books on 
the topic,\1\ formerly serving as Chief Economist of the Federal 
Communications Commission, and currently serving as a co-principal 
investigator of SpectrumX, an NSF Spectrum Innovation Center.
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    \1\ See, e.g., Thomas Winslow Hazlett, The Political Spectrum: The 
Tumultuous Liberation of Wireless Technologies, From Herbert Hoover to 
the Smartphone (Yale University Press, 2017).
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    Radio spectrum is a vital component of the modern economy. The 
airwaves through which communications flow--enabling mobile networks, 
connections to Internet services, satellite links, and a host of other 
stunningly useful applications--is limited in supply. But regulatory 
restrictions have made it even more restricted than nature and economic 
demand alone. Artificial scarcity has been imposed by public policies 
that prevent entrepreneurs from moving under-utilized spectrum 
resources into their highest valued uses.
    Such impediments have long been a problem of traditional spectrum 
allocation. Dating to the 1927 Radio Act, a statute still dictating the 
basic structure of regulation, many facets of law require Mother May I? 
The term of art describes the slow process wherein idle bandwidth is 
discovered, defined in scope, and then transitioned into productive 
employments. Needless permissions and red tape too often limit markets 
and impede America's economic growth. Bands have been reserved for 
maritime communications in Utah. The Forestry Service has enjoyed 
exclusive frequency rights in New York City. And today, some 35 
channels from the TV Allocation Table of 1952 are still reserved for 
terrestrial, over-the-air broadcasting. I Love Lucy might have 
benefited from this arrangement back in the day, but we now have more 
efficient means to deliver video using cables, satellites, and 
broadband Internet.
    But too often such opportunities are greeted with a spectrum 
strategy of ``hurry up and wait.'' The famous scientist Edwin Howard 
Armstrong could, in the 1930s, invent FM radio, a hi-fidelity 
technology superior to the old AM, only for FCC machinations to prevent 
its eventual blossoming until the 1960s. The World War II invention of 
cellular radio ran into a licensing roadblock that delayed wireless 
telephone networks until the 1980s. Spectrum wars in bureaucratic 
trenches pit industries against each other, with the upshot that vast 
bands--and better networks--may go idle for a lifetime.
    These long lags continue to plague entrepreneurial ventures, reduce 
competition, and frustrate wireless consumers desiring more bandwidth 
for enhanced communications. Yet, the good news is that U.S. policy has 
not been static. American regulators have occasionally taken corrective 
actions to promote liberalization. In particular, market-oriented 
policies have relaxed mandates for how spectrum must be utilized. In 
granting users and licensees wider discretion via ``flexible-use 
spectrum rights,'' enormously valuable new competitive forms have been 
unleashed. Today, over ten times as much bandwidth is available for 
mobile wireless use than in the mid-1990s. In addition, competitive 
bidding--auctions--assigns such rights, replacing arbitrary 
distributions prior to 1994. The trick, however, is that in the 
underlying allocation process itself, administrative designations are 
still largely used to define the nature, location, and rules governing 
what technologies, services, and business models are to be made 
available for deployments.
    Recent decades have brought experiments with new methods, and even 
the once hidebound FCC has innovated.\2\ In 1994, the introduction of 
what became known as second generation cellular, or 2G wireless, was 
held up for some years by protests registered by holders of micro-wave 
allotments. The incumbents claimed catastrophe would result from any 
change is band access rights.
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    \2\ Former FCC Member (and Chair) Jessica Rosenworcel summarized 
the new spirit of change this way: ``When it comes to wireless policy, 
we have a history of embracing the ideas that are cool, kooky, and new 
before anyone else. After all, it was more than two decades ago that we 
took the academic ideas of Ronald Coase and ushered in a whole new era 
of spectrum auctions. We also pioneered the use of unlicensed 
spectrum--the airwaves we now know and use every day as Wi-Fi. More 
recently, we blazed a trail for two-sided incentive auctions.'' 
Statement of Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel, FCC 19-96 (Rel. Sept. 
27, 2019), p. 34.
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    As is (was) often the case, such claims were overwrought. The 
situation was put into clearer focus, and resolved, by a clever FCC 
policy, an ``overlay.'' This approach granted emerging 2G networks the 
rights to utilize vacant frequencies in the micro-wave band under 
``flexible use'' rules. Further, the overlays granted the new licensee 
secondary rights over spectrum occupied by the micro-wave 
transmissions. This protected incumbents but gave life to entrants by 
defining the spectrum access rights needed for bargains to be struck. 
Investors in 2G networks were able to pay incumbents to move aside--
using alternative technologies or other frequencies--so as to free up 
bandwidth for higher valued services. The hold-up ended, airwaves 
became available, and the U.S.--then lagging E.U. countries in digital 
wireless--began to innovate and forge global leadership in emerging 
network services.
    The overlay policy has since been used in numerous contexts by U.S. 
regulators.\3\ The 2016-2017 ``Incentive Auction'' moved 70 MHz 
allotted to TV broadcasts to flexible use spectrum rights won at 
auction by mobile carriers; broadcasters were paid to economize on 
airwave usage with funds bid by the new licensees. Incentive payments 
to incumbents were also paid from auction revenues in Auctions 101 
(2019) and 103 (2020). Overlays were then modified in Auction 107 held 
in 2020-2021, restructuring the Satellite C-Band. The 500 MHz allocated 
there had appeared crowded, congested, and unavailable to entrants. In 
fact, with payments to incumbents, some 280 MHz of prime mid-band 
spectrum became available for reallocation to entrants. Winning bidders 
paid $94 billion for the licenses. Of that total, some $13 billion was 
passed through to the incumbent users of the band, satellite operators. 
The transfer enabled the companies to upgrade their systems while 
reducing their spectrum footprint--``relocation costs and incentives'' 
in FCC parlance. This capacious tranche of new flexible-use spectrum 
was the largest ever released by the FCC for auction in one proceeding, 
and it energized U.S. 5G build-out. The rapid manner in which the 
policy was crafted and executed was also notable. From a Notice of 
Inquiry in July 2017 to the conclusion of bidding in Feb. 2021, a 
relatively short timetable departed from the long delays that the FCC 
has too often witnessed.\4\
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    \3\ Hazlett, The Political Spectrum, 276-287.
    \4\ Even a generous accounting led the FCC to estimate standard 
delays as 6-11 years. See: FCC, National Broadband Plan (March 2010), 
p. 79.
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    Such mechanisms have improved incentives for cooperation in the 
process of radio spectrum reallocation. They lubricate transitions that 
enable the adoption of advanced methods of spectrum sharing, a term 
that is too often narrowly seen as top-down administrative rules. Most 
significantly, they help identify where consumers most value airwaves, 
revealing opportunities for new models and increasingly useful 
technologies. With attention to economic incentives, demonstrated in 
both encouraging and disappointing results exhibited in spectrum policy 
experiments, pro-consumer strategies have been discovered. Many more 
targets of opportunity for efficient reforms in radio spectrum await.

    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Dr. Baylis.

STATEMENT OF CHARLES P. BAYLIS, Ph.D., PROFESSOR OF ELECTRICAL 
               AND COMPUTER ENGINEERING, BAYLOR 
              UNIVERSITY, AND DIRECTOR, SMART HUB

    Dr. Baylis. Thank you and good morning. My name is Dr. 
Charlie Baylis, and I serve as Professor of Electrical and 
Computer Engineering at Baylor University, and Director of 
SMART Hub, a Department of Defense Spectrum Innovation Center.
    SMART stands for Spectrum Management with Adaptive and 
Reconfigurable Technology, and SMART Hub consists of 25 U.S. 
citizen researchers across 15 universities in 13 states. Our 
unified mission is to make spectrum usage adaptive and 
reconfigurable, from policy all the way through circuits. We 
have been established through congressional appropriation 
support and commissioned through the Army Research Laboratory. 
We are not a typical collection of academicians. We do not 
desire merely to publish papers on technology that will 
stagnate in a laboratory, but to quickly put superior 
technologies into the hands of our warfighters and into the 
hands of consumers. We want to put America First in spectrum, 
arguably the most important dimension of battle and a very 
valuable natural resource.
    As a center, we are creating adaptive and reconfigurable 
technologies that will provide a ``win-win'' for military 
dominance and economic growth. By adapting, we aim to provide 
flexible, opportunistic spectrum capabilities to military 
systems and 5G and 6G commercial wireless systems, maximizing 
performance in whatever band they operate. We can also 
simultaneously enable the construction of the Iron Dome for 
America.
    Two weeks ago, we demonstrated our initial technologies to 
the Pentagon, Congress, and the defense industry right here in 
Arlington. As an example of some of our innovations, we have 
developed sense-react-and-avoid, sense-predict-and-avoid, and 
metacognitive techniques to choose the best available spectrum 
for operation in real time, and are looking to AI to speed 
spectrum selection.
    We are building a Dynamic Spectrum Management System, or 
DSMS, that will include live interference reports to inform the 
real-time coordination of spectrum. We are working on 
reconfigurable plasma circuits and antennas, capable of 
handling high transmission power levels, that allow us to 
maximize radar range in under a millisecond after changing 
frequencies to avoid wireless communications. We are pioneering 
a novel measurement module that, when placed inside a 
transmitter chain, will allow us to assess what we are 
transmitting to avoid interference and improve our system 
performance ``on the fly.'' These techniques will allow both 
incumbent Government systems and commercial wireless systems to 
have the functionality to work around each other.
    Technology innovation will convert congestion into 
opportunity. Many attempts to organize spectrum have been 
limited to regulation and re-regulation, but adaptive and 
reconfigurable technology will revolutionize spectrum use. It 
will allow us to both provide for the common defense and 
promote the general welfare.
    As the developer of adaptive and reconfigurable technology, 
the United States will gain an enormous international advantage 
both economically and tactically. U.S. industries will develop 
these systems and sell their technology worldwide. China will 
have to buy the technology from us. Commercial wireless systems 
will realize heretofore uncomprehensible bandwidths. And our 
military systems will be the strongest, most agile in the 
world, dominating in the most important dimension of battle, 
the spectrum.
    How do we get to this situation from where we are today? 
This is a question that I, as the Director of a congressionally 
funded Spectrum Innovation Center, have spent a lot of time 
considering and mapping to direct our research, innovation, and 
workforce development. If spectrum coexistence is like driving 
a car down a highway with other vehicles, we must develop 
adaptive and cognitive techniques to maneuver devices through a 
congested spectrum. In less congested environments, device-to-
device interaction can be used to coexist, just as cars can 
pass each other autonomously in uncrowded highways. In more 
congested environments, like a traffic light, a Dynamic 
Spectrum Management System will be useful for coordinating. So 
how do we grow into this paradigm from where we are today? You 
cannot expect a kindergartener to drive a car, and we cannot 
expect rigid wireless technologies to coexist adaptively. In 
both cases, maturation and development is needed. We are 
mapping a technology development trajectory using Bloom's 
Taxonomy. Widely used by educators in cognitive development, 
Bloom's Taxonomy shows the progression from knowledge, which is 
the simple memorization of facts, to evaluation, the mature 
cognitive and adaptive approach to life.
    In elementary, middle, and high school, educators carefully 
plot the course of these students in subjects such as reading, 
writing, mathematics, science, and physical education to 
develop the cognitive and physical skills the children will 
need to eventually get behind the wheel of a car and drive the 
car down a road adaptively. In a similar manner, we are moving 
quickly toward evaluation ?-cognitive and adaptive use of the 
spectrum.
    In conclusion, in the race for spectrum superiority, 
America needs to win. The opportunity is now, and we must seize 
it or be left behind. There are 25 patriot scholars in SMART 
Hub, with their U.S. citizen students, that are determined and 
working hard to see this happen. With God's enablement and 
provision, we look forward to continuing to partner with 
Congress, our President, and our Nation to ensure American 
superiority.
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify, and I look 
forward to answering questions that you have.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Baylis follows:]

Prepared Statement of Charles P. Baylis, Ph.D., Professor of Electrical 
  and Computer Engineering, Baylor University, and Director, SMART Hub
    Good morning. My name is Dr. Charlie Baylis, and I serve as a 
Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Baylor University 
and Director of SMART Hub, a Department of Defense Spectrum Innovation 
Center. ``SMART'' stands for ``Spectrum Management with Adaptive and 
Reconfigurable Technology'', and SMART Hub consists of 25 U.S. citizen 
researchers across 15 universities and 13 states. Our unified mission 
is to make spectrum usage adaptive and reconfigurable, from policy 
through circuits. We have been established through Congressional 
appropriation support, and commissioned through the Army Research 
Laboratory. We are not a typical collection of academicians. We do not 
desire merely to publish papers on technology that will stagnate in a 
laboratory, but to quickly put superior technologies into the hands of 
our warfighters and into the hands of consumers. We want to put America 
First in spectrum: arguably the most important dimension of battle and 
a very valuable natural resource.
    As a center, we are creating adaptive and reconfigurable 
technologies that will provide a ``win-win'' for military dominance and 
economic growth. By adapting, we aim to provide flexible, opportunistic 
spectrum capabilities to military systems and 5G and 6G commercial 
wireless systems, maximizing performance in whatever band they operate. 
Two weeks ago, we demonstrated our initial technologies to the 
Pentagon, Congress, and the Defense Industry in Arlington, VA. As an 
example of some of our innovations, we have developed sense-react-and-
avoid, sense-predict-and-avoid, and metacognitive techniques to choose 
the best available spectrum for operation in real time, and are looking 
to AI to speed spectrum selection. We are building a Dynamic Spectrum 
Management System (DSMS) that will include live interference reports to 
inform the real-time coordination of spectrum. We are working on 
reconfigurable plasma circuits and antennas, capable of handling high 
transmission power levels, that allow us to maximize radar range in 
under a millisecond after changing frequencies to avoid wireless 
communications. We are pioneering a novel measurement module that, when 
placed inside a transmitter chain, will allow us to assess what we are 
transmitting to avoid interference and improve our system performance 
``on the fly.'' These techniques will allow both incumbent government 
systems and commercial wireless systems to have the functionality to 
work around each other.
    Technology innovation will convert congestion into opportunity. 
Many attempts to organize spectrum have been limited to regulation and 
re-regulation, rather than innovative technology to revolutionize 
spectrum use. Adaptive and reconfigurable technology provides a better 
alternative. It will allow us to both ``provide for the common 
defense'' and ``promote the general welfare.''
    As the developer of adaptive and reconfigurable technology, the 
United States will gain an enormous international advantage both 
economically and tactically. U.S. industries will develop these systems 
and sell their technology worldwide. Commercial wireless systems will 
realize heretofore uncomprehensible bandwidths. And our military 
systems will be the strongest, most agile in the world, dominating in 
the most important dimension of battle: the spectrum.
    How do we get to this situation from where we are today? This is a 
question that I, as Director of a Congressionally funded Spectrum 
Innovation Center, have spent a lot of time considering and mapping to 
direct our research, innovation, and workforce development. If spectrum 
coexistence is like driving a car down a highway with other vehicles, 
we must develop adaptive and cognitive techniques to maneuver devices 
through a congested spectrum. In less congested environments, device-
to-device interaction can be used to coexist, just as cars can pass 
each other autonomously in uncrowded highways. In more congested 
environments, like a traffic light, a DSMS will be useful for 
coordinating.
    How do we grow into this paradigm? You cannot expect a 
kindergartener to drive a car, and you cannot expect rigid wireless 
technologies to coexist adaptively. In both cases, maturation and 
development is needed. We are mapping a technology development 
trajectory using Bloom's Taxonomy. Widely used by educators in 
cognitive development, Bloom's Taxonomy shows the progression from 
``knowledge,'' which is the simple memorization of facts, to 
``evaluation,'' the mature cognitive and adaptive approach to life. In 
elementary, middle, and high-school, educators carefully plot the 
course of these students in subjects such as reading, writing, 
mathematics, science, and physical education to develop the cognitive 
and physical skills the children will need to eventually get behind the 
wheel of a car and adaptively drive down a road. In a similar manner, 
we are moving quickly toward ``evaluation''--cognitive and adaptive use 
of the spectrum.
    In the race for spectrum superiority, America needs to win. The 
opportunity is now, and we must seize it or be left behind. There are 
25 patriot scholars in SMART Hub, with their U.S. citizen students, 
that are determined and working hard to see this happen. With God's 
enablement and provision, we look forward to continuing to partner with 
Congress, our President, and our Nation to ensure American superiority. 
Thank you for the opportunity to testify, and I look forward to 
answering questions that you have.



    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Mr. Pearl.

 STATEMENT OF MATTHEW PEARL, DIRECTOR, STRATEGIC TECHNOLOGIES 
    PROGRAM, CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES

    Mr. Pearl. Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member Cantwell, 
distinguished members of the Committee, it is an honor to 
appear before you to discuss spectrum policy. The Center for 
Strategic and International Studies does not take policy 
positions, so the views expressed here are my own.
    In my testimony I will explain the importance of 
establishing U.S. leadership in spectrum policy, draw attention 
to recent developments that undermine such leadership, and urge 
Congress and the Administration to act to improve the U.S.'s 
position.
    U.S. leadership in spectrum is critical because the 
People's Republic of China is spending tens of billions of 
dollars to subsidize Huawei in an effort to control the future 
of this strategically vital technology. The U.S. is not, and 
should not, take the PRC's approach of massively subsidizing a 
single company. However, the U.S. should make available its 
other policy levers to counter the PRC, and spectrum is 
particularly critical.
    Until recently, our country was at the forefront of 
spectrum policy. Since Congress authorized the FCC to conduct 
auctions in 1993, it held 100 auctions that generated $233 
billion for the Treasury. In addition, Congress repeatedly 
provided clearing targets for making spectrum available for 
commercial use. These actions were critical to economic growth, 
economic security, and national security. During the period of 
4G, for instance, U.S. networks supported 20 million jobs and 
were responsible for 10 percent of GDP growth.
    Further, spectrum has played a critical role in fostering a 
stable, resilient U.S. economy. While we take it for granted 
that U.S. companies top the App Store on our phones, spectrum 
played a decisive role in enabling that to happen. In 2008, we 
were the first country to auction the 700 MHz band, giving us a 
head start in building high-power 4G networks. As a result, 
U.S. innovators were able to develop the first mobile apps.
    While I have focused on auction spectrum, I must also 
highlight the importance of unlicensed and satellite use. We 
were the first country to adopt unlicensed use, leading to the 
development of ubiquitous, low-power technologies such as Wi-
Fi. The U.S. has also been a leader in satellite spectrum, 
enabling U.S. companies to launch massive, low-earth orbit 
constellations.
    While the U.S. has traditionally played a leadership role 
in spectrum, we are now at risk of falling behind. In March 
2023, the FCC's authority to hold spectrum auctions lapsed. In 
addition, many countries have launched 5G in prime mid-band 
spectrum that the U.S. has not made available. It is critical 
for Congress to restore FCC auction authority and to establish 
ambitious clearing targets.
    Another threat to U.S. leadership involves lengthy delays 
in acting on a request for satellite licenses, which is another 
threat to our leadership.
    Finally, I will address the relationship between spectrum 
and national security. I have strong views on this question 
because during my service at the National Security Council one 
of the areas that I oversaw was electronic warfare. Some have 
taken the position that making spectrum available for 
commercial use is undesirable because DoD uses the remaining 
bands. I agree that it is critical for DoD to maintain the 
capabilities it needs to accomplish its mission. However, we 
have an opportunity to expand those capabilities while creating 
opportunities for commercial use.
    There is also a misunderstanding about whether Congress 
needs to provide new statutory protections so that spectrum 
reallocation does not threaten national security. As one 
example, under an existing statutory provision, DoD cannot 
surrender spectrum unless the Secretary of Defense and the 
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs certifies that they will maintain 
essential military capabilities.
    The biggest misconception we confront is that we only need 
to ensure that DoD has continued access to spectrum to prevail 
in the electromagnetic domain. The reality is that our 
military's budget is dwarfed by the commercial sector when it 
comes to technology, meaning that to prevail over our 
adversaries, DoD will need to leverage commercial innovation. 
For instance, wireless networks will be critical to the AI race 
because developing sophisticated AI services will require more 
data be sent to and from mobile devices. DoD will need to 
leverage the most advanced AI technologies, but this will not 
happen unless we make commercial spectrum available.
    I look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Pearl follows:]

 Prepared Statement of Matthew Pearl, Director, Strategic Technologies 
        Program, Center for Strategic and International Studies
    Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member Cantwell, distinguished Members of 
the Committee, thank you for allowing me to share my views with you on 
spectrum. I have worked on spectrum issues for nearly 15 years, and so 
it is a special honor to testify in front of the Senate committee that 
has repeatedly adopted legislation to ensure that the United States is 
at the forefront of spectrum policy and wireless technology. The Center 
for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) does not take policy 
positions, so the views represented in this testimony are my own and 
not those of my employer. In my testimony, I will 1) explain the 
importance of the United States taking a leadership role on spectrum 
policy for U.S. economic growth, economic security, and national 
security; 2) draw attention to recent developments that threaten the 
ability of the U.S. to out-compete and out-innovate its adversaries in 
wireless technology; and 3) urge Congress and the Administration to 
take several key actions so that the United States leads the world in 
wireless innovation.
Spectrum and U.S. Leadership
    It is critical for the United States to play a leadership role in 
spectrum policy. In recent years, for example, the People's Republic of 
China (PRC) has spent tens of billions subsidizing Huawei, as part of 
an effort to destroy the non-PRC wireless industry, dominate the global 
market for wireless services, and control the future of this 
strategically vital technology. The U.S. is not--and should not--take 
the PRC's approach of picking a winner and providing that company with 
massive subsidies. The threat posed by the PRC, however, makes it 
absolutely critical for the U.S. to use the other policy levers it has 
available to advance our position in wireless innovation and 
technology, and making spectrum available for commercial use is one of 
the key ways to ensure that we are able to do so.
    Over most of the past thirty years, our country has been successful 
in leading the world in spectrum policy. During that time, our Nation 
was able to make a massive amount of spectrum available for commercial 
use, thus providing great benefits to the American people, while at the 
same time preserving and expanding Federal spectrum-based 
capabilities,.
    In 1993, Congress authorized the Federal Communications Commission 
(FCC) to allow competitive bidding for spectrum licenses, and we became 
the first country to hold a major spectrum auction. Since 1994, the FCC 
has held 100 spectrum auctions that raised over $233 billion for the 
U.S. Treasury. Moreover, the total cost of the auctions program was 
less than 1 percent of what the auctions brought in. That represents an 
incredible return on investment for the American taxpayer.
    Auctions have been even more instrumental, however, in promoting 
technological innovation and economic growth. If we look at the period 
between 1985 and 2020, when the United States made a tremendous amount 
of high-power spectrum available, wireless operators invested over $600 
billion in their networks.\1\ The contribution that the wireless 
industry made toward the larger U.S. economy was even greater--
according to one estimate, U.S. networks supported 20 million jobs, 
contributed $700 billion to the economy in a single year, and were 
responsible for almost 10 percent of the GDP increase that the U.S. 
economy experienced during the period of 4G/LTE deployments.\2\ Looking 
forward, another study estimates that by 2030, 5G will add between $1.4 
trillion and 1.7 trillion dollars to U.S. economic growth.\3\
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    While holding auctions has been critical to economic growth, there 
were other factors that made the United States a success in wireless 
policy. In many cases, the United States was successful at achieving 
international harmonization for the spectrum bands we adopted here, 
which allowed us to create a global equipment ecosystem and benefit 
from economies of scale. Moreover, Congress has repeatedly provided 
guidance to the FCC, the National Telecommunications and Information 
Administration (NTIA), and the many agencies that use spectrum on 
making spectrum available, including spectrum that was made available 
for high-power use, and has given the FCC and NTIA authority and 
flexibility to orchestrate complex spectrum transitions and determine 
the rules of the road Each time Congress reauthorized the FCC to hold 
auctions--in 1997, 2006, and 2012--it provided a statutory target for 
making spectrum available for commercial use, enabling the FCC to make 
high-power spectrum available.
    Congress also expanded the ability of NTIA and FCC to manage 
complex spectrum transitions, such as giving them the ability to 
reimburse Federal agencies for relocation and sharing expenses in the 
2004 Commercial Spectrum Enhancement Act and expanding on the 
activities that were able to be reimbursed in the Bipartisan Budget Act 
of 2015. Finally, Congress expanded on the FCC's authority to hold 
auctions, authorizing it to hold incentive auctions in 2012. Congress 
has also recognized and preserved the Commission's ability to adopt the 
rules of the road, so that engineering rather than politics determines 
the technical details of spectrum management. These actions were all 
critical to ensuring that the United States adopted a forward-leading, 
innovative approach to spectrum policy.
    I have focused thus far on licensed terrestrial spectrum, but I 
would also like to recognize the key role of low-power, unlicensed 
spectrum, as well as spectrum for satellite use. First, the U.S. was 
the first country to adopt rules for low-power unlicensed spectrum, 
which has powered innovation and our economy. The FCC first adopted 
rules for ``junk'' bands that were undesirable and unused in the 
1930s--the concept was that anyone would be allowed to use the spectrum 
without obtaining permission from the government, provided that the 
equipment they used could not cause harmful interference to licensed 
users. During the 1980s, we began to see use of these frequencies for 
common household applications such as garage door openers and baby 
monitors. More significantly, beginning in the 1990s, we saw the 
development of Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. By leveraging the permissionless 
innovation that the FCC provided in its unlicensed rules, the 
developers of those technologies have greatly increased our 
connectivity and contributed nearly $100 billion per year to the U.S. 
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    Second, the U.S. has also been a leader in licensing spectrum for 
satellite technology. As a result, U.S. companies built and launched 
many of the pioneering communications satellites in the 1960s. Now, 
U.S. companies have launched, or are in the process of launching, 
massive low earth orbit (LEO) constellations that can provide broadband 
Internet on a global basis. These constellations are particularly 
useful in rural and remote areas. Thus far, LEO is a critical market in 
which we have outcompeted the PRC, though I would note that continued 
leadership in satellite spectrum is critical as the PRC attempts to 
launch clones of our successful LEO networks.
    While the U.S. has traditionally played a leadership role in 
wireless, I believe that--regretfully--we are falling behind the rest 
of the world in spectrum policy. As you know, in March 2023, the FCC's 
authority to hold spectrum auctions lapsed. Many countries have 
deployed new networks in prime mid-band spectrum such as the lower 3 
GHz band that we have not made available for commercial use, 
threatening to leave the United States behind. There is a lack of logic 
for failing to make that spectrum available in the U.S., given that key 
U.S. allies have already deployed in this spectrum using many of the 
military systems that we use to protect the homeland. It is critical to 
restore FCC auction authority and to create new opportunities for 
licensed and unlicensed spectrum use, particularly in mid-band 
spectrum. We need Congress and the Administration to set ambitious 
goals for making spectrum available for commercial use, so that we can 
make spectrum available for high-power and low-power use. At the same 
time, we must empower the FCC, NTIA, and the agencies to proceed in a 
systematic way based on sound science and engineering, and preserving 
key capabilities of the Department of Defense (DOD) and other 
departments and agencies.
    Another area that threatens U.S. leadership involves delays in 
licensing spectrum for satellite use. As noted, U.S. companies 
currently have a strong leadership position in providing broadband 
Internet globally, but they won't be able to maintain that lead if they 
are unable to obtain timely access to spectrum. In this context, it is 
important to note that satellite operators have faced significant 
delays when making requests to modify their licenses--in fact, it has 
taken an average of three years for the FCC to grant or deny many 
requests.
Spectrum and Economic Security
    As I mentioned, spectrum plays a critical role in ensuring that our 
economy grows, and that provides a strong rationale to adopt forward-
leaning spectrum policies. However, I would also note that spectrum is 
important to our economic security--that is, our ability to ensure that 
the United States has a stable and resilient economy. Economic security 
requires the United States to control key technologies so that home-
grown companies can protect and sustain our economy in the face of 
potential global risks, shocks, and dislocations.
    Spectrum is critical to economic security because it provides a 
foundation for U.S. companies to innovate. Take, for instance, the app 
economy. Many Americans take it for granted that U.S. companies such as 
Uber, Lyft, and Airbnb are at the top of the app store charts. Few 
understand, however, that it was spectrum policy that played a decisive 
role in enabling American innovators to make that happen. In 2008, we 
were the first country to auction the 700 MHz band--and this band was 
critical to wireless leadership at the time because it enabled mobile 
providers to broadly deploy new wireless services to the public across 
wide geographies. After we moved first on this spectrum, the United 
States quickly built 4G/LTE networks. Once these networks became 
available, U.S. innovators were the first to experiment and develop 
mobile apps, enabling U.S. companies to lead the world in the app 
economy, and unlocking hundreds of billions of dollars in economic 
benefits.
    Looking forward, wireless networks will serve as the proving ground 
for the next technology that is central to our economic security: 
artificial intelligence (AI). For AI to be fully integrated in our 
daily lives, AI-enhanced services and the data traffic they generate 
will need to be sent to--and from--the mobile devices that we carry 
around with us. Such devices will be able to rearrange our schedules 
better than any human assistant, edit our photographs with more skill 
than any professional photo editor, and get us home faster and more 
safely than the most experienced professional driver. But U.S. 
companies won't be able to develop and deploy all those AI applications 
unless we make additional spectrum available to handle all that 
increased data traffic, particularly so that there is uplink capacity 
from devices to mobile networks. Unless the United States is a leader 
in spectrum, we risk losing the ability to easily develop such 
applications, and with it control over this strategic technology.
Spectrum and National Security
    As discussed, the connections between spectrum, on the one hand, 
and economic growth and economic security, on the other hand, are 
underappreciated. When it comes to the role of spectrum policy in 
protecting our national security, however, we unfortunately face many 
misunderstandings and misconceptions. I have strong views on this 
question because I have seen the role that spectrum policy plays from 
the national security perspective. I spent ten years at the FCC 
managing spectrum transitions and auctions. I'm incredibly proud of the 
work we did to advance the U.S. wireless industry there; for instance, 
in Lower C-band, our efforts resulted in the largest spectrum auction--
and likely the largest auction of any type--in world history, with over 
$81 billion in gross bids. More recently, however, I moved over to the 
National Security Council, where I oversaw policy related to spectrum 
and satellite use, including electronic warfare and other national-
security related uses of spectrum. I have a deep appreciation for the 
critical role that spectrum plays in safeguarding the United States and 
its allies and partners.
    Some stakeholders have publicly taken the position that making 
spectrum available for commercial use is no longer desirable given that 
most of the commercially-attractive frequencies are used by DOD. I 
agree with them that DOD uses spectrum to protect our nation, and that 
it is critical that we ensure that DOD has all the capabilities it 
needs to do so. Please note, however, that the key term I used is 
``capabilities''--unfortunately, some stakeholders have confused things 
by implying that to preserve all of DOD's ``capabilities,'' we need to 
prevent commercial users from ever gaining new access to the spectrum 
that DOD uses. To the contrary, it is possible to preserve and even 
expand DOD's capabilities by modernizing the systems it uses, while 
creating more opportunities for commercial use.
    Take, for instance, the Airborne Warning and Control System 
(AWACS), which is a key, airborne radar system that operates globally 
and provides an early warning to the United States, as well as its key 
allies, regarding potentially hostile ships, aircraft, vehicles, and 
missiles, in addition to serving a critical command and control 
function during aerial combat. DOD deployed the first production-model 
AWACS in 1977, meaning that right now we're still relying on a radar 
system that was put into service when Happy Days and Three's Company 
were on television. As DOD plans to upgrade this system, we have a 
critical opportunity to ensure that we are operating the most advanced 
radar system in the world, and that such a system is spectrally 
efficient and future-proof. After all, to address challenges by 
competitors such as the PRC and adversaries such as Russia, we need to 
deploy these systems not only in our homeland, but also to key U.S. 
allies, many of which have already deployed 5G in mid-band frequencies 
that we have not auctioned.
    I would note that AWACS is only one system and that DOD has many 
other systems in the mid-range spectrum bands that are being targeted 
for commercial use. There are numerous issues for the FCC, NTIA, and 
the agencies to work through, and the spectrum transitions that will 
result will be complicated. Nonetheless, I've seen technical experts at 
the FCC, NTIA, and the agencies successfully work through these issues 
many times in the past, and I am confident that they can do so again 
now. It is important for Congress to set goals and timelines so that 
the FCC, NTIA, and the agencies know what to aim for, and so that 
industry has sufficient certainty regarding the future availability of 
spectrum. It is equally important for the Administration to make it 
clear to the agencies that spectrum is a priority and that political 
actors should not block engineers from working through technical 
challenges on behalf of the President.
    There is also a misunderstanding about whether Congress needs to 
provide additional statutory protections to prevent the spectrum 
repurposing process from threatening our national security. Under 
Section 1062 of the 2000 National Defense Authorization Act, which is a 
provision that remains in effect, spectrum that DOD uses cannot be 
surrendered for commercial use unless the Secretary of Defense and the 
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs jointly certify to key congressional 
committees that they will have access to other spectrum that maintains 
essential military capabilities. This is only one example of the 
numerous statutory protections that Congress has already adopted to 
ensure that our military can maintain its spectrum-based capabilities.
    Another misconception about spectrum and national security is that 
we only need to ensure that DOD has access to spectrum and can procure 
equipment, and this will be sufficient to protect our national security 
needs. This view is extremely short-sighted, as in the future the U.S. 
military will no longer have the budget to meet all its future needs 
but rather will need to leverage commercial technology to prevail over 
our competitors and adversaries. If we look at the example of 
semiconductors in the 1960s, the U.S. military dominated the market, 
purchasing all the integrated circuits that were produced. By the 
2020s, that number had fallen to 2 percent of the U.S. market. The 
trend was inevitable across the entire technological sector: as 
technology has exploded across economic markets, both in the United 
States and abroad, our military simply no longer has the purchasing 
power to consistently move markets and ensure innovation. Instead, DOD 
needs to take advantage of commercial innovation from our companies to 
ensure that it stays ahead of our competitors and adversaries.
    In the domain of wireless technology, we're already seeing this 
play out in the battlefield in Ukraine, where commercial wireless 
networks and smartphones have directly transformed command, control, 
communications, computing, intelligence, surveillance and 
reconnaissance. For instance, we have seen smartphones used to 
crowdsource information to predict UAS attacks, serve as nodes in a 
network that create accurate geospatial maps of developments on the 
battlefield, and triangulate enemy positions. In the future, as 
wireless networks carry actionable insights from AI and quantum 
computing, the side in a conflict that can leverage the most advanced 
commercial wireless technology will have a significant, and in some 
cases, decisive advantage. In wireless technology, DOD will not be able 
to leverage commercial innovation unless the wireless industry has 
access to spectrum, given that spectrum will serve as a critical 
determinant of whether the wireless industry is able to develop and 
deploy innovative technologies. Ensuring that we preserve critical 
military spectrum-based capabilities while creating opportunities for 
commercial access to spectrum is therefore essential to our ability to 
prevail in future conflicts.
                            Recommendations
I. For Congress
  1.  Restore the FCC's ability to conduct spectrum auctions.

  2.  In such legislation, provide targets, goals, and associated 
        timelines for making spectrum available, particularly for mid-
        band spectrum, including the ability to make spectrum available 
        for high-power and low-power use. This will serve as critical 
        guidance to the FCC, NTIA, and the agencies as they work 
        together on spectrum policy. It is important for these targets 
        to be informed by discussions with the FCC, NTIA, and industry.

  3.  Adopt requirements that would apply to Federal agencies to 
        cooperate with NTIA and the FCC as they attempt to make 
        spectrum available.

  4.  Preserve the discretion of NTIA and the FCC to determine the 
        specific bands made available, and the ability of the FCC to 
        determine the technical rules that would apply to spectrum.

  5.  Update the Commercial Spectrum Enhancement Act by offering 
        agencies the opportunity to receive reimbursement under the 
        Spectrum Relocation Fund (SRF) for upgrading their systems 
        beyond what they are currently capable of doing, allowing NTIA 
        the ability to receive funds to conduct studies and analyses of 
        spectrum use, and providing the Technical Panel that reviews 
        studies and transition plans further oversight over process 
        after they have approved such studies or plans.

  6.  Elevate the Administrator of NTIA to an Undersecretary to improve 
        the interagency process on spectrum.

  7.  Require streamlined procedures for granting satellite 
        applications and shot clocks for granting or denying licenses.

  8.  To further advance our wireless capabilities, develop a 
        comprehensive ``system of systems'' for position, location, and 
        timing, which can back up and compliment GPS, and therefore 
        mitigate vulnerabilities and enhance reliability for both 
        Federal and commercial users.
II. For the Administration
  1.  Adopt ambitious goals and timelines that are informed by 
        discussions with the FCC, NTIA, and industry.

  2.  Provide guidance and an escalation process to ensure that 
        disagreements or disputes between the FCC, NTIA, and/or the 
        Federal agencies that use spectrum are quickly and properly 
        resolved.

  3.  Ensure that planned spectrum transitions preserve critical 
        national security, public safety, and other Federal mission 
        capabilities.

  4.  Develop a process that will enable the United States to arrive at 
        positions on international spectrum allocations well in advance 
        of the 2027 World Radio Conference.

    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Mr. Clark.

           STATEMENT OF BRYAN CLARK, SENIOR FELLOW, 
                        HUDSON INSTITUTE

    Mr. Clark. Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member Cantwell, thank 
you very much for the opportunity to speak today, to you and 
the rest of the Committee, about spectrum policy.
    The national security competition between the U.S. and 
China in the electromagnetic spectrum is not just a commercial 
one. It is also a military one, and in a lot of ways it is 
predominantly a military one, as we look at the future 
conflicts we might face against China and others.
    If you look at the invasion of Ukraine and how the 
electromagnetic spectrum has played out as the centerpiece, 
essentially, of that war, early on Russia had a lot of problems 
in its initial push toward Kyiv. In part, that was because of a 
lack of spectrum management on its part, the inability to use 
the spectrum effectively. Later, we see today now that both 
sides are using sophisticated electromagnetic warfare against 
each other, but as Ranking Member Cantwell talked about, they 
are using jamming against GPS, they are using jamming against 
communications. The recent offensive that Ukrainian forces 
mounted into Kursk was enabled, in large part, by their ability 
to gain superiority in the electromagnetic spectrum, so 
operating in parts of the spectrum where the Russians were 
trying to operate, and operating outside their coms, putting 
their own coms in parts of the spectrum where the Russians were 
unable to jam them. So the spectrum is increasingly where wars 
are going to be one and lost.
    Against China, the U.S. faces a much more powerful 
competitor, in general, and also in the spectrum, than Russia 
poses. To overcome its geographic and numerical disadvantages, 
when you are fighting as the away team against China, U.S. 
forces are going to have to rely on a lot of what we would call 
counter-ISR, counter-surveillance and reconnaissance, counter-
communications capabilities, to degrade the ability of China's 
reconnaissance intelligence network to be able to target and 
attack U.S. forces.
    If we cannot operate inside frequencies where the Chinese 
operate, and outside of our normal frequencies so we can 
deceive them, hide our forces, and degrade their targeting 
ability, we are not going to be able to amass the number of 
forces successfully to defeat them in an invasion of Taiwan. So 
really, fundamentally, winning that invasion of Taiwan comes 
down to the ability to control the spectrum in that Western 
Pacific region.
    We need to be able to build the capabilities for that and 
train with them here in the United States before we go 
overseas, and in a lot of ways that deception campaign has to 
start here, meaning we are operating in parts of the spectrum 
that we would not normally operate in, as part of an effort to 
begin that deception against the Chinese forces.
    In addition, as we mentioned earlier, the Iron Dome for 
America is going to create new demands for electromagnetic 
spectrum to protect the United States from missile attack. 
Obviously, there are opportunities to use those technologies to 
be able to more efficiently use the spectrum, and more 
effectively manage that surveillance network, we need to 
protect the United States. But requirements for terminal 
missile defense and for airborne moving target indication from 
space are both going to create demands on S-and X-band 
frequencies that we currently want to make available to 
commercial users.
    So the needs for DoD in the spectrum are becoming larger 
and more complex. But that does not preclude that we would be 
able to share that spectrum between military and commercial 
users. It does mean we need to bring new technologies to bear. 
We need to bring new policies to bear. And there will be some 
deliberative process so that we can figure out which parts of 
the spectrum can be made available and which ones really 
cannot, because of physics and because of the number of systems 
we might need to be able to conduct the operation.
    Examples like CBRS, the Citizens Band Radio Service, and 
AMBIT are good examples of where, in the past, we have been 
able to deconflict users in the spectrum between Federal and 
commercial users, or share spectrum by taking advantage of new 
technologies for detection and relocation of spectrum users.
    But we need to be able to take the time and the analysis 
necessary to make those mechanisms feasible in the United 
States to support both the operations we need to do for things 
like Iron Dome, as well as the training and preparation 
necessary to get our forces ready to go overseas and fight in a 
war where they are going to need the spectrum to make up the 
difference between their lack of mass as the away team and the 
large mass that is available to the Chinese, or the home team.
    So we should not fall victim to getting into a symmetrical 
competition with China over who is giving more of a particular 
part of the spectrum to the commercial users, and we should not 
unilaterally disarm our military capabilities in the spectrum. 
We need to work out ways so that both military and commercial 
uses can be taking advantage of our spectrum resources, so we 
can compete on both battlefields.
    With that I will be looking forward to your questions. 
Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Clark follows:]

   Prepared Statement of Bryan Clark, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
    Chairman Cruz, Ranking Member Cantwell, and distinguished members 
of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify before the 
committee on the topic: America Offline? How Spectrum Auction Delays 
Give China the Edge and Cost Us Jobs.
Summary
    The U.S. military will require more, not less, access to the 
electromagnetic spectrum in the coming decade. Facing numerical and 
geographic disadvantages against an opponent like China, U.S. forces 
will need electronic warfare systems that can jam, decoy, and deceive 
enemy sensors by operating outside traditional U.S. frequencies and 
inside those used by adversaries. At home, the U.S. military will need 
to continuously operate high-power sensors and defenses from S through 
K band to defend U.S. territory from air and missile attack as part of 
the Trump Administration's Iron Dome for America initiative.
    China's leaders want the U.S. government to unilaterally disarm by 
further constraining the Department of Defense's spectrum access. 
Beijing disingenuously claims that it has given more spectrum to 
Chinese telecommunication companies when in fact the People's 
Liberation Army (PLA) retains the authority and mechanisms to routinely 
displace commercial spectrum users. Instead of engaging in a 
unproductive spectrum competition against China in S-band, the U.S. 
government should ensure military and commercial users can co-exist in 
U.S. spectrum through sustainable and executable sharing schemes. 
Telecommunication companies should be prepared for the cost and time 
needed to implement these approaches, especially as military demands 
for spectrum are likely to grow.
Winning the Fight for Sensing and Sensemaking
    Militaries have always depended on the electromagnetic spectrum to 
communicate and coordinate operations, navigate over vast distances, 
and attack or avoid enemies. Starting during World War II, electronic 
warfare made the spectrum itself a battlefield when jammers and decoys 
emerged as new tools to prevent an opponent from coordinating 
operations or sensing and understanding its environment.
    The war in Ukraine highlights how the electromagnetic spectrum is 
now the domain in which battles--and wars--are often won or lost. 
Russian and Ukrainian troops routinely use vehicle-and drone-borne 
electronic sensors to detect enemy forces by their radio transmissions 
and enable attacks with artillery or rockets. To protect themselves, 
troops on both sides have developed work-arounds that enable them to 
transmit on unexpected frequencies where the enemy is not looking, use 
directional antennas, or avoid radio communications altogether.\1\
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    \1\ Vikram Mittal, ``Ukraine Is Now Dominating The Drone And 
Electronic Warfare Domains,'' Forbes, August 21, 2024, https://
www.forbes.com/sites/vikrammittal/2024/08/21/ukraine-is-now-dominating-
the-drone-and-electronic-warfare-domains/.
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    Russian and Ukrainian forces are also extensively jamming each 
other in the spectrum. Traditional radio communications are often 
impossible near the front lines.\2\ Ukrainian forces stopped using US-
provided guided weapons like the Excalibur artillery round and Joint 
Direct Attack Munition until they are modified to be more jam-resistant 
or incorporate multiple modes of navigation.\3\ Both militaries have 
turned to using radars or cameras on drones for guidance, sometimes 
augmented by a human operator connected via a fiber-optic cable to 
avoid radio jamming.
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    \2\ Chris Panella, ``A 'hidden electronic warfare battle' is raging 
in Ukraine and demanding more from the soldiers fighting it, special 
drone unit says,'' Business Insider, February 8, 2025, https://
www.businessinsider.com/hidden-electronic-warfare-battle-demanding-
more-of-ukrainian-soldiers-2025-2.
    \3\ Thomas Withington, ``Jamming JDAM: The Threat to U.S. Munitions 
from Russian Electronic Warfare,'' RUSI, June 6, 2023, https://
www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/jamming-jdam-
threat-us-munitions-russian-electronic-warfare
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    China is a much more challenging electromagnetic adversary for the 
United States than Russia. The PLA fields a growing array of electronic 
warfare aircraft, drones, and satellites that can listen and jam across 
relevant areas of the spectrum at long range.\4\ China's navy, coast 
guard, and maritime militia ships are equipped with electronic sensors 
to surveil U.S. and allied communications and radar transmissions.\5\ 
And the Chinese government's space-based electronic surveillance 
architecture over U.S. territory and the Indo-Pacific region is growing 
faster than its U.S. counterpart.\6\
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    \4\ Kristin Burke, ``PLA Counterspace Command and Control'' 
(Montgomery, AL: U.S. Air Force China Aerospace Studies Institute, 
2023), https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/CASI/documents/
Research/PLASSF/2023-12-11%20Counterspace-%20web%20version.pdf.
    \5\ John Christianson, ``Fighting and Winning in the 
Electromagnetic Spectrum,'' War on the Rocks, December 5, 2022, https:/
/warontherocks.com/2022/12/fighting-and-winning-in-the-elec-
tromagnetic-spectrum/
#::text=The%20Chinese%20concept%20recognizing%20the,the%20Chinese
%20coastline%2C%20is%20a.
    \6\ J. Michael Dahm, ``China C4ISR and Counter-Intervention,'' 
Testimony before the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review 
Commission,'' March 21, 2024, https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/
2024-03/J.Michael_Dahm_Testimony.pdf.
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    China's electronic surveillance network in the air, on the water, 
and in space is part of an overall Reconnaissance-Intelligence System 
that leaders in Beijing rely on to assess their opponents' operations 
in peacetime and target enemy forces in wartime. As shown in Figure 1, 
this system is one of several systems the PLA plans to use in a 
potential conflict such as an invasion of Taiwan. China's leaders rely 
on a systems approach to warfare in part due to their well-publicized 
lack of confidence in PLA commanders' abilities to engage and defeat 
enemy forces without suffering unsustainable losses.\7\ Chinese leaders 
would prefer to centrally manage a war, using the Reconnaissance-
Intelligence System to find enemy forces, predict their future actions 
and operations, and target them for long-range precision attacks by the 
Firepower Strike System.\8\
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    \7\ Jackson, Kimberly, Andrew Scobell, Stephen Webber, and Logan 
Ma, Command and Control in U.S. Naval Competition with China. Santa 
Monica, CA: RAND Corporation, 2020, pp. 23-49. https://www.rand.org/
pubs/research_reports/RRA127-1.html; Larry Wortzel, ``The PLA and 
Mission Command: Is the Party Control System Too Rigid for Its 
Adaptation by China?,'' Association of the U.S. Army, March 2024, 
https://www.ausa.org/sites/default/files/publications/LWP-159-The-PLA-
and-Mission-Command-Is-the-Party-Conrol-System-Too-Rigid-for-Its-
Adaptation-by-China.pdf.
    \8\ Joel Wuthnow, ``System Destruction Warfare and the PLA,'' 
Institute for National Strategic Studies, June 2024, https://
keystone.ndu.edu/Portals/86/PLA%20Systems%20Attack%20-%20
JW%20update%20June%2024.pdf
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Figure 1: China's warfare systems\9\
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    \9\ Jeffrey Engstrom, Systems Confrontation and System Destruction 
Warfare (Santa Monica, CA: RAND, 2018), https://www.rand.org/pubs/
research_reports/RR1708.html.


    China's hierarchical approach to command and control creates 
vulnerabilities that U.S. and allied forces will try to exploit.\10\ 
Chinese leaders depend primarily on their signals intelligence and 
imaging satellites to build an operational picture because these space-
based systems offer continuous coverage of the Indo-Pacific region and 
do not depend on the competence of ship, aircraft, or ground-based 
sensor crews. However, U.S. and allied militaries could confuse these 
sensors by operating their radars and radios in unexpected areas of 
spectrum; deploying decoys that simulate signals or radar returns from 
U.S. ships, aircraft, or ground troops; and using jammers against PLA 
sensors and communication systems to obscure the location of real U.S. 
or allied forces and prevent Chinese sensor fusion.\11\
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    \10\ Jon Harper, ``Counter-C5ISRT is top priority for nominee to 
lead Indo-Pacific Command,'' DefenseScoop, February 1, 2024, https://
defensescoop.com/2024/02/01/counter-c5isrt-samuel-paparo-indo-pacific-
command-nomination/.
    \11\ This approach is detailed in Bryan Clark, ``Winning the Fight 
for Sensing and Sensemaking,'' (Washington, DC: Hudson Institute, 
2024), https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/winning-fight-
sensing-sensemaking-fielding-cyber-electronic-warfare-c5isr-bryan-
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    Faced with an unreliable operational picture, China's leaders would 
turn to ground-based sensors and ships and aircraft to verify real vs. 
false targets. U.S. and allied forces could use the same counter-sensor 
approaches against these systems, although with less effect. However, 
the impact will already be felt as China's leaders begin to question 
their centrally-controlled ``fire and forget'' military strategy.
    U.S. forces will need to sustain counter-sensing and counter-
sensemaking operations over months or years to translate Chinese 
leaders' temporary doubts into an enduring lack of confidence that 
could deter them from pursuing aggression against U.S. allies. As shown 
in Figure 2, the U.S. military will need a large number of diverse 
electronic warfare tools and techniques to support a jamming and 
deception campaign.
Figure 2: Importance of a deep magazine of electronic warfare effects 
        in a campaign
        
        
    Electronic warfare techniques are often short-lived in wartime, as 
demonstrated by the electromagnetic spectrum competition during World 
War II and more recently in Ukraine.\12\ After one side fields a new 
jammer or decoy, the other side quickly develops a countermeasure or 
work-around. To sustain the move-countermove competition shown in 
Figure 2, the DoD will need to develop and test systems, train and 
certify relevant units, and sometimes conduct operations in the United 
States to create a deep magazine of diverse electronic warfare effects. 
These efforts will require access to diverse areas of spectrum not 
currently or often used by U.S. forces.
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    \12\ John Stillion and Bryan Clark, ``What it Takes to Win: 
Succeeding in 21st Century Battle Network Competitions,'' (Washington, 
DC: Center for Strategic and budgetary Assessments, 2015), https://
csbaonline.org/research/publications/what-it-takes-to-win-succeeding-
in-21st-century-battle-network-competitions.
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China's long con for spectrum superiority
    U.S. and allied electronic warfare operations threaten the 
effectiveness of China's war plans. To prevent the U.S. from fielding 
these critical capabilities, China is attempting to convince the U.S. 
government to unilaterally disarm in the spectrum.
    Numerous studies and industry white papers have asserted during the 
last decade that the United States is ``losing the spectrum 
competition'' with China. These studies argue that the Chinese 
government has made more spectrum available for commercial 
telecommunications use compared to the United States--especially in the 
3-5 Ghz band.\13\
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    \13\ Accenture, ``The Case for Global Spectrum Harmonization,'' 
CTIA, January 2024, https://api.ctia.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/
Advancing-US-Wireless-Excellence-Global-Harmonization.pdf; James Lewis, 
``Spectrum Allocation for a Contest with China,'' (Washington, DC: 
CSIS, 2023), https://www.csis.org/analysis/spectrum-allocation-contest-
china.
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    Mid-band spectrum in the 2-8 Ghz range is coveted by commercial and 
military system developers because it offers an attractive combination 
of range, data rate, and resistance to interference. Higher frequency 
signals can carry more data or achieve higher resolution in radars but 
suffer higher attenuation due to atmospheric heating and are more 
susceptible to interference because they tend to bounce off obstacles 
rather than passing through them. Lower frequency transmissions can 
travel much farther distances, but carry less data and achieve lower 
resolution.
    By the mid-2030s, China's government reportedly plans to make up to 
1,500 Mhz more mid-band spectrum available for commercial 
telecommunications use compared to the U.S. government.\14\ But this 
potential disparity is an illusion. In China, all frequency 
allocations--like all commercial endeavors--are contingent. The 
government retains the authority to force commercial users off the 
spectrum when needed, and maintains organizations and processes for 
doing so.\15\
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    \14\ Clete Johnson, ``Next Steps to Close the Gap with China on 
Licensed Spectrum for Commercial 5G,'' Center for Strategic and 
International Studies, February 12, 2024, https://www.csis.org/blogs/
strategic-technologies-blog/next-steps-close-gap-china-licensed-
spectrum-commercial-5g.
    \15\ Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT), 
``Radio Regulation of the People's Republic of China (2016 Revision),'' 
http://106.15.139.130/Law/LawShowEn?id=222067.
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    Under the concept of military-civil fusion, China's regional radio 
management centers are charged with clearing spectrum to enable 
military and civil defense operations whenever needed for training, 
exercises, system development, or crisis response. To enable rapidly 
removing commercial users, each radio management center includes a PLA 
reserve frequency management unit. These units are led by a core of 
active-duty PLA officers and mainly comprised of reserve soldiers whose 
civilian jobs are in the telecommunications industry. Their civilian 
experience is intended to enable these reserve operators to quickly 
kick commercial users out of needed spectrum in support of PLA or other 
government needs.\16\
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    \16\ John Dotson, ``Military-Civil Fusion and Electromagnetic 
Spectrum Management in the PLA,'' Jamestown Institute, October 8, 2019, 
https://jamestown.org/program/military-civil-fusion-and-
electromagnetic-spectrum-management-in-the-pla/.
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    At the same time its government reserves the right to use any 
spectrum at will, China's political and industry leaders suggest that 
China is building a lead in 5G and future communication technologies 
because the country makes more spectrum available to national champions 
like Huawei and ZTE. The U.S. government should not unilaterally disarm 
by taking mid-band spectrum away from U.S. military uses in an effort 
to win this non-existent spectrum race against China.
    Another argument for making more U.S. mid-band spectrum available 
for commercial use is to align with the frequency allocations of other 
countries, including numerous U.S. European and Indo-Pacific allies. 
The World Radio Congress (WRC) has recommended that wide swaths of 
spectrum in relevant frequency ranges for 5G and potential future 6G 
communications, which many countries have adopted in their own radio 
regulations.
    However, this argument incorrectly assumes each country has similar 
needs for spectrum outside of commercial functions. As the world's most 
sophisticated force and the largest one outside of China, the U.S. 
military incorporates a more numerous and diverse portfolio of 
electromagnetic spectrum systems than any of its allies. For example, 
the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) maintains more than 100 high-power 
jamming aircraft, which is more than its European and Indo-Pacific 
allies combined. The U.S. Navy and Air Force include more than 100 
airborne radar surveillance aircraft and nearly 100 air defense 
destroyers and cruisers carrying high-power radars. To follow through 
on its alliance commitments, the U.S. military requires access to 
spectrum across large areas of the country for training, concept 
development, maintenance, and operations.
Enabling the Iron Dome for America
    The most challenging driver of U.S. military spectrum access 
requirements will be the Trump Administration's initiative to establish 
a comprehensive missile defense architecture for the United States. 
Announced by executive order last month, the ``Iron Dome for America'' 
is intended to field a system of systems that can defeat hypersonic, 
ballistic, and cruise missiles as well as emerging airborne threats 
such as drones. The proposed architecture would include weapons to 
engage enemy missiles soon after launch, in mid-flight, and in the 
terminal phase when they near a target in the United States.\17\
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    \17\ Donald J. Trump, ``The Iron Dome For America,'' January 27, 
2025, The White House, https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/
2025/01/the-iron-dome-for-america/.
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    The U.S. military already maintains a ballistic missile detection 
and tracking system as part of the national missile defense system, 
which mainly uses infrared satellites to detect launches overseas and 
radars in Alaska, Canada, and Greenland to track ballistic missiles 
coming over the North Pole. The Iron Dome architecture would build on 
this existing network by adding satellite-borne sensors that the DoD is 
already developing for tracking ballistic and hypersonic missiles.\18\ 
These space-based and forward-deployed sensors would probably not 
require new frequency allocations to the DoD.
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    \18\ Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, ``Fact sheet: 
U.S. Ballistic Missile Defense,'' Center for Arms Control and Non-
Proliferation, June 12, 2023, https://armscontrolcenter.org/fact-sheet-
u-s-ballistic-missile-defense/.
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    However, the Iron Dome for America will require a dramatic increase 
in radar surveillance and tracking in the S and X bands to support 
terminal defense against ballistic and hypersonic missiles. Terminal 
defense systems like SM-6 or PAC-3 interceptors engage ballistic and 
hypersonic missiles in the atmosphere at ranges of only 100 to 200 
miles, which requires that they be positioned near the targets they 
defend. Planned space-based sensors can detect and initially track 
incoming hypersonic and ballistic missiles, but they cannot provide 
interceptors the target missile's position and movement precisely or 
quickly enough for an engagement.\19\ Existing surveillance radars used 
to manage commercial air traffic lack the responsiveness and precision 
needed to track ballistic and hypersonic missiles. To guide terminal 
defense interceptors, the DoD will need to operate military radars such 
as the U.S. Navy's SPY-1, 6, and 7 or carried by airborne warning and 
control aircraft including the E-2D or E-3 in the interior of the 
United States.
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    \19\ Planned space-based radars or infrared sensors cannot 
precisely determine the elevation of missiles they are tracking, which 
is needed to direct an interceptor to the target, and they lack a 
mechanism for sending target information to the interceptor in flight 
in real-time.
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    Greater spectrum access will also be needed to defeat cruise 
missiles and ``other next-generation aerial attacks,'' which could 
include advanced drones like those Russia is using against Ukraine. The 
DoD may need to use airborne or ground-based S and X-band radars to 
track these threats.\20\ But the more significant challenge will be 
shooting them down. As recent operations in the Middle East, Ukraine, 
and around the United States suggest, an opponent could attack U.S. 
bases, government facilities, or public gatherings using hundreds of 
drones and cruise missiles.\21\ To defeat these large salvos the DoD 
would likely need to turn to high-power microwave (HPM) systems that 
generally transmit pulses across the X through K (8-27 Ghz) bands also 
used by some mid-band and millimeter-wave 5G networks.\22\
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    \20\ Cruise missiles and drones are generally too small to be 
tracked by space-based radars to track and too slow to generate an 
infrared signature that could be detected by satellite sensors. Space-
based electro-optical sensors could track cruise missiles and drones, 
but would need to be cued to the threat's exact location. Existing 
civilian air surveillance radars can often track cruise missiles and 
drones, but are not dedicated to that mission and do not provide data 
in the form needed for an interceptor to engage the target.
    \21\ Jim Garamone, ``Reports of Drone Incursions Taken Seriously, 
DOD Spokesman Says,'' DoD News, December 17, 2024, https://
www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/40088
36/reports-of-drone-incursions-taken-seriously-dod-spokesman-says/.
    \22\ Office of Naval Research Code 35, ``Directed Energy Weapons: 
High Power Microwaves,'' Office of Naval Research, https://
www.onr.navy.mil/organization/departments/code-35/division-353/
directed-energy-weapons-high-power-microwaves.
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    The commander of U.S. Northern Command testified earlier this month 
that one of his most significant challenges was air domain 
awareness.\23\ Closing that gap and establishing the Iron Dome for 
America will require operations by military systems in multiple 
commercially-relevant frequency ranges across large parts of the United 
States. In contrast to today's needs for episodic military training, 
testing, and certification, these missions would create a continuous 
need for spectrum access.
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    \23\ Gregory M. Guillot, ``Testimony on the Posture of United 
States Northern Command and United States Southern Command in Review of 
the Defense Authorization Request for Fiscal Year 2026 and the Future 
Years Defense Program,'' February 13, 2025, https://www.armed-
services.senate.gov/hearings/to-receive-testimony-on-the-posture-of-
united-states-northern-command-and-united-states-southern-command-in-
review-of-the-defense-authorization-request-for-fiscal-year-2026-and-
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Reconciling spectrum demands
    The U.S. military will need to operate in additional areas of the 
electromagnetic spectrum to address an increasingly challenging threat 
environment. To overcome its numerical and geographic disadvantages 
against China, U.S. forces will need to develop, test, and train on 
systems that emit outside traditional U.S. military frequencies and 
inside adversary bands as part of its effort to undermine Chinese 
sensing and sensemaking. The DoD will also need to operate radars and 
HPM systems in S through K bands across the United States as part of a 
comprehensive domestic air and missile defense architecture.
    However, the DoD's growing need for spectrum does not preclude 
commercial uses in the same or adjacent frequencies. For example, some 
regions of spectrum like 6 Ghz could be more efficiently segmented 
between government, commercial, and unlicensed users. In these 
frequencies, the government could apply the approach demonstrated by 
the 2020 White House-DoD America's Mid-Band Initiative Team (AMBIT) 
initiative.\24\ Using the results of AMBIT, the Federal Communications 
Commission established procedures that allow military and commercial 
users to both operate in the 3450-3550 Mhz range by separating their 
emissions in time and geographically.\25\ Advances in the spectral 
efficiency of military and commercial systems could allow static 
allocation models like AMBIT to be implemented in additional 
geographies or frequencies.
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    \24\ C. Todd Lopez, ``AMBIT Gambit Pays Off, Advances U.S. 5G 
Efforts,'' DoD News, August 10, 2020, https://www.defense.gov/News/
News-Stories/Article/Article/2306902/ambit-gambit-pays-off-advances-us-
5g-efforts/. 
    \25\ Federal Communications Commission, ``Second Report And Order, 
Order On Reconsideration, And Order Of Proposed Modification,'' Federal 
Register, March 21, 2021, https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-
21-32A1.pdf.
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    New technologies can also allow for dynamic spectrum sharing 
between commercial and military users. For example, the Citizen's 
Broadband Radio Service (CBRS) allows military, civilian, and 
commercial users to share spectrum from 3550-3700 Mhz in some regions 
using a combination of procedures and automated controls that move 
priority and general access commercial or private users to other 
frequencies when incumbent government users are detected in the band. 
This process allows periodic military operations in the spectrum while 
minimizing the impact on commercial applications.\26\
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    \26\ National Telecommunications and Information Administration, 
``An Analysis of Aggregate CBRS SAS Data from April 2021 to July 
2024,'' NTIA, November 18, 2024, https://www.ntia.gov/report/2024/
analysis-aggregate-cbrs-sas-data-april-2021-july-2024.
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    Models like CBRS could be employed in other tranches of spectrum, 
such as 6Ghz, or other geographic regions where military and commercial 
users could share spectrum. However, as identified by the 2023 DoD 
Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing (EMBRSS) study, the government 
will need to evolve the CBRS model to enable the industrial base to 
experiment with and test new electromagnetic systems, accommodate fast-
moving airborne radars, and ensure coordination in more complex 
electromagnetic environments compared to the current applications of 
CBRS.\27\
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    \27\ DoD Chief Information Officer, ``Emerging Mid-Band Radar 
Spectrum Sharing (EMBRSS) Feasibility Assessment Report,'' (Washington, 
DC: U.S. DoD, 2023), https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/
Library/DoD-EMBRSS-FeasabilityAssessmentRedacted.pdf.
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    The challenge for regulators and Congress will be creating spectrum 
sharing schemes that protect necessary DoD access while remaining 
financially attractive for the telecommunications industry. Time and 
geographic constraints such as under AMBIT or the need to periodically 
relocate to other frequencies under CBRS will require companies to 
maintain access to additional frequency bands, establish automated 
sensing and control systems, and manage a patchwork of different 
frequency coverage and control mechanisms across the Nation. The time 
and investment needed to implement these approaches will reduce the 
value of spectrum at auction. This cost and complexity will only grow 
as the DoD's need for spectrum increases as a result of new operational 
concepts and missions.
Conclusion
    The Congress should not fall victim to China's disinformation. 
China's telecom companies suggest they are winning the 5G race because 
they can use more frequencies than their competitors in the United 
States and Europe. However, the PLA retains access to the 
electromagnetic spectrum whenever and wherever needed, enforced by 
military personnel at China's radio management centers and in its 
telecommunications industry.
    The U.S. government should not unilaterally disarm in militarily 
important segments of the spectrum. Chinese leaders want to degrade the 
DoD's ability to conduct electronic warfare and radar operations that 
could undermine China's Reconnaissance-Intelligence System and protect 
the U.S. homeland from air and missile attack. Spectrum sharing schemes 
could allow the U.S. government to protect its military operations and 
support commercial uses, but companies and U.S. policymakers should 
ensure they account for the associated costs and complexity.

    Chairman Cruz. Thank you to all the witnesses for your 
helpful testimony. We will now move to questions.
    Dr. Hazlett, I want to start with you. What are the 
specific economic benefits that putting more spectrum into the 
commercial marketplace would produce, and how would my spectrum 
pipeline legislation, which requires some full-power spectrum 
to be made available to the commercial sector, benefit everyday 
Americans and American businesses?
    Dr. Hazlett. Additional spectrum, particularly of the 
flexible use variety, has been found extremely important to 
increasing American productivity. It allows more things to be 
done with wireless, wireless applications, and wireless 
networks. And, in fact, the reverse I also true. When we have 
had these delays that have come into the system, we have 
actually taken the vital inputs out of the sector, and the 
progress has been stymied.
    So, in fact, getting more spectrum into the marketplace, 
allowing entrepreneurs and competitors to get access to expand, 
that explains not only the wireless revolution that we have 
seen, with so much changing in terms of new innovations, but it 
explains why, going forward, we have to keep our eye on the 
ball and make sure that there is a pipeline, there is spectrum 
pouring into the market, to be used in efficient ways, not in 
the old locked-in, rigid definitions of old.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Mr. Pearl, would you agree that 
making more spectrum available to the private sector would 
result in billions in new investments and thousands of new 
jobs?
    Mr. Pearl. Yes, absolutely.
    Chairman Cruz. And history demonstrates that.
    Mr. Pearl. Yes, no, consistently. You make the spectrum 
available, and particularly as I mentioned with the example of 
the app economy, being first really matters in that because 
then you have innovators that take advantage of the 
capabilities that they can use in that spectrum.
    Chairman Cruz. And does my pipeline bill preclude the 
Department of Defense from accessing the spectrum it needs to 
accomplish critical missions, or are there ways full-power 
commercial license use can accommodate the needs of DoD?
    Mr. Pearl. So your bill allows for both the possibility of 
exclusive use as well as shared use. And so in terms of DoD 
being able to continue to use some or most of the bands in 
order to maintain their capabilities, it absolutely creates 
that opening.
    Chairman Cruz. Now, Mr. Pearl, we have also heard concerns 
that reinstating auction authority could hinder President 
Trump's initiative to create an American Iron Dome. I am a 
strong and passionate supporter of missile defense, and have 
been advocating for an American Iron Dome for some time.
    Based on your experience at both the National Security 
Council and in the FCC auction room, do you believe those 
concerns are well founded that having an auction would prevent 
missile defense here at home?
    Mr. Pearl. No, absolutely not. As long as we have the 
proper interagency process and we make sure that the engineers 
work together, we can absolutely ensure we have Iron Dome as 
well as increased commercial use.
    Chairman Cruz. And could an Iron Dome system coexist with 
commercial 5G use, subject to geographical or location 
carveouts, like in the AMBIT process?
    Mr. Pearl. Potentially it could. We do have some cases of 
countries that are using Iron Dome, like the Czech Republic, 
that are using 5G quite close to those systems of Iron Dome, 
and so that is one possibility. And there are some other ways 
that you can design Iron Dome so that you could have potential 
coexistence.
    Chairman Cruz. So we are told by some in the Defense 
Department that if any of the vast spectrum that they currently 
have use of goes to the private sector that it will cripple the 
military's ability to defend our Nation. The facts make that 
claim highly dubious. Right now, today, about 50 nations across 
the globe operate commercial licensed 5G networks in the 3.3 to 
3.45 GHz bands.
    Take an example close to home. Mexico's 5G networks operate 
on frequencies between 3.35 and 3.45 GHz, at full power, less 
than 30 miles away from Fort Bliss in Texas, where the U.S. 
operates ground-based radar systems in the lower third band. 
Likewise, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines also 
have 5G networks that operate between the 3.3 and the 3.45 GHz 
band.
    Now, given the fact that in much of the rest of the world 
there are commercial players operating in those bands, is it 
credible that our military cannot operate in the Pacific, and 
we cannot operate if the commercial sector is operating in 
those bands?
    Mr. Pearl. As long as the process is done responsibly, 
absolutely not, it will not cripple the military.
    Chairman Cruz. Let me ask you, finally, what would the 
consequences to national security be if China wins the race for 
5G and 6G, and if the global telecommunication network is 
Huawei and Chinese-based, is that good or bad for national 
security, and if bad, how bad?
    Mr. Pearl. It is catastrophic for national security as well 
as both DoD and the intelligence community, because we will not 
have access to advanced, trusted, secure technology. It is true 
that the U.S. will still ban Huawei, but the rest of the world 
will use Huawei. It will become more advanced. And it is not 
only telecommunications networks, which are obviously very 
important. But the plan the PRC has with Huawei is to leverage 
its control over telecom up the technology sack, so to be able 
to control other technologies.
    So I would say it is an absolutely catastrophic risk.
    Chairman Cruz. And soldiers use cellphones.
    Mr. Pearl. Yes, absolutely, and that is something that we 
have discovered in Ukraine is that a lot of these mobile 
technologies can be incredibly valuable. They have been used to 
triangulate drone attacks. They have been used to create 
accurate geographic maps of the combat zones. So we are already 
seeing how these cellphones and mobile technology is critical.
    Chairman Cruz. Ranking Member Cantwell.
    Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman., and again, 
thanks for this hearing. I actually so appreciate the panel of 
witnesses. Dr. Hazlett, I think lots of members of this 
committee could give a critique of the FCC and it would 
probably mirror yours, in the issues of challenges of that 
agency in addressing our most urgent needs, and probably the 
fact of good broadband mapping lacking. And even when Microsoft 
produced one by ZIP code they still did not use it. So there is 
a long line of concern here about the current FCC structure.
    Dr. Baylis, I love that you are training the next 
generation of young people to understand this dynamic, because 
we will need it. And there is a reason that the Information Age 
is just sucking up everybody out of college, now that you can 
produce, so keep producing them.
    Mr. Pearl, thank you for this crystallization of, I think, 
your exact words are, quote, ``ensuring that we preserve 
critical military spectrum base capabilities while creating 
opportunities for commercial access to spectrum.''
    So that is it. That is what we are trying to do. That is 
what we tried to do in the bill that DoD and NTIA and the 
Department of Commerce agreed to.
    So the challenge becomes--and thank you, Mr. Clark, for 
your football analogy, of the away game, because I do think 
that really does give you a picture of what warfighters face.
    But the one thing I struggle with is that, if you could, I 
feel like people misunderstand where we are. I am not saying we 
are playing a Peewee League, but let's say we are playing at 
the K-12 league right now. But the shift in the dynamics and 
capabilities of the warfare that is going to take place, based 
on spectrum, you are not going to be in K-12 football. You are 
going to be in a Super Bowl. And how do we get people here to 
understand, as you said, you cannot unilaterally disarm if the 
ascending technical capabilities and challenges.
    And I wonder if you could address white space. A lot of 
people talk about, oh, well, we could just have dynamic 
spectrum sharing, and you could easily. But there are lots of 
ways that right now that is really detrimental to our effort.
    Mr. Clark. Right, yes, Senator Cantwell. So a couple of 
things on that. One is that the military is going to have to be 
much more dynamic in its use of the spectrum. So we are going 
to have to maneuver a lot more in the spectrum to avoid where 
our adversaries are looking for us, or to get to where our 
adversaries are so we can jam them. Using some of the 
technologies that Dr. Baylis is developing, we will eventually 
be able to both do those operations as well as maintain some 
ability to have commercial users operate on that same spectrum. 
But we are not there yet. Those technologies are not fielded 
yet.
    The reason being that our opponents, like we see in 
Ukraine, it is a constant cat-and-mouse game in the 
electromagnetic spectrum. So you operate in one part of the 
spectrum, you quickly get detected and jammed, and you have to 
maneuver to another part in order to be able to continue to 
communicate with your allies, be able to continue sending 
targets, and attacking your enemy.
    So this cat-and-mouse game in the spectrum requires you to 
be maneuvering back and forth, and you cannot be isolated to a 
very narrow band of spectrum during operations, and we have to 
train to be able to conduct those same types of operations.
    Senator Cantwell. But we are going to grow in complexity 
here, right?
    Mr. Clark. Right.
    Senator Cantwell. We are just at a very elementary level--
--
    Mr. Clark. Right.
    Senator Cantwell.--and now it is going to grow in 
complexity. So I do not think, Mr. Pearl, you are not 
suggesting that we mandate auctions before we do all those 
technical feasibility studies, are you?
    Mr. Pearl. No. I mean, I think we need to mandate clearing 
targets and then do the analysis. But certainly before you hold 
the auction you need to do the work of making sure that we are 
not going to interfere with essential military capabilities.
    Senator Cantwell. Which is what I think DoD was requesting 
of us and why they supported the legislation.
    But Mr. Clark, back to this work, hard work, like AMBIT and 
CBRS, how do we go forward here with those ideas? Because in 
the one case it is Navy spectrum, right, and we hear a lot of 
great things about this. But there are paths forward, but do we 
have to test bed? What is it that we have to do to get this 
right, and how do we do, as Mr. Pearl is suggesting, this more 
collaborative effort on the innovation that the private sector 
can drive?
    Mr. Clark. Well, there is a lot of new modeling simulation 
tools, and obviously test bedding these capabilities is going 
to be really important. So there is a path forward to be able 
to identify the opportunities for spectrum sharing. But physics 
comes into it also, because certain parts of the spectrum just 
are not going to lend themselves to things like missile defense 
or to electronic warfare--I have to jam an opponent where his 
system operates. So we will be limited by physics and being 
able to just maneuver anywhere in the spectrum to avoid the 
commercial users.
    But within those spaces where we can use the spectrum 
effectively in the military, we need to figure out if there is 
a way we can coexist or share.
    Senator Cantwell. Yes, and the Chinese just falsely kick 
them out, right. They just control everything. I mean, I guess 
you could have that hierarchy. We do not want that hierarchy.
    Mr. Clark. China's approach to spectrum management is they 
have PLA personnel embedded inside the radio management 
centers, and in industry who then maneuver the commercial users 
out of the spectrum whenever the military wants to conduct 
routine training operations, development, testing, et cetera.
    Senator Cantwell. Yes. Well, that is our competitor, and 
that is why we have to beat them. So we have to figure out how 
to take care of this defense issue.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Wicker.

                STATEMENT OF HON. ROGER WICKER, 
                 U.S. SENATOR FROM MISSISSIPPI

    Senator Wicker. Thank you. Mr. Pearl, before we auction we 
have still got to do the work. Could you briefly explain what 
that means, and how long will that take?
    Mr. Pearl. Yes. I think it is important to have clearing 
targets in the legislation of how much we are intending to make 
available. I think that really focuses the process. But doing 
the work occurs at several different levels. The most important 
level is the engineers from the different agencies. The laws of 
physics are not political or partisan. The laws of physics are 
what they are, and you need engineers who are going to share 
information and work together. And I have seen just the most 
brilliant solutions come out of that, in some of these bands 
that we have talked about.
    Senator Wicker. Including engineers from DoD?
    Mr. Pearl. Yes, absolutely, including engineers from DoD. 
But you need the White House leadership to work with the heads 
of the departments and agencies so that the engineers know to 
share information, to be cooperative, to work together. Because 
what you do not want is a situation where--and there have been 
examples--where there is not that collaboration, and as a 
result oftentimes decisions get made by the FCC or others that 
are less than optimal.
    Senator Wicker. OK. You do not speak for CSIS. You are 
giving us your own views. Are there persons, learned persons, 
within CSIS who take the same position as the admirals and 
generals from the Defense Department, that just absolutely no 
way this can be shared? Do you have colleagues that believe 
that?
    Mr. Pearl. So I think Clayton Swope, who does a lot of our 
work on the defense side would certainly advocate for some of 
the defense equities, although I would not necessarily say that 
he takes their side on everything.
    Senator Wicker. So you are saying--and we could perhaps get 
him here, or I could call him--but perhaps he would even say 
there is some scenario in which some of the spectrum could be 
shared and not
    Mr. Pearl. Yes. I think that there is a willingness on the 
part, through CSIS, to find those practical solutions so that 
we can accomplish that.
    Senator Wicker. Mr. Baylis, do you speak for SMART Hub or 
for yourself today?
    Dr. Baylis. That is a good question. I believe I have 
really tried to consult my team.
    Senator Wicker. Is there a minority view there that does 
not agree with you?
    Dr. Baylis. I do not believe so. I believe we are unified 
in the sense that we are trying to develop adaptive and 
reconfigurable technology to solve the very spectrum crisis we 
are convening.
    Senator Wicker. Would it be helpful if you had somebody 
inside the team who was the devil's advocate and could bounce 
these absolute objections against your people?
    Dr. Baylis. Devil's advocate as to what?
    Senator Wicker. I will tell you. When we get the military 
in the SCIF, I am not giving away any secrets, they say it is 
just absolutely impossible, we cannot give an inch, and 
anything that the Chairman might advocate would be detrimental 
to national security. Am I pretty much correct that that is 
their testimony?
    Dr. Baylis. I believe we have objective people on our team 
that would give me, and do give me, you know, contrasting views 
when they need to be given. I think we have got a team that is 
working to try to get the best technological solution to the 
problem, and I think that is our sole goal.
    Senator Wicker. Mr. Clark, tell us about the idea of 
finding a solution by compression, and compare and contrast 
that to relocating.
    Mr. Clark. Yes. Great point, Senator. Compression of 
spectral efficiency is looking at ways to use digital 
technology to narrow the beam width or bandwidth that a sensor 
needs for, for example, a radar, to be able to put enough 
energy downrange to be able to detect a target and track it. So 
using new digital technologies we are able to reduce the amount 
of spectrum that a sensor might need to be effective.
    Senator Wicker. And there is a history to this.
    Mr. Clark. Yes. Over time the DoD has done this with 
different sensor technologies. As we replace and recapitalize 
the new generation of radars that is coming into DoD right now, 
they are more spectrally efficient.
    Senator Wicker. Supplement your answer on that. Can you 
briefly talk about Mr. Baylis' reference to live interference 
notices?
    Mr. Clark. Yes. So the idea would be can you, in real time, 
be able to get a notification. Normally what happens when you 
try to deconflict spectrum is you just detect the other user 
out there, and then you have to respond to that. You would want 
to augment that with a notification that comes from that other 
user to automatically tell you, I am going to use the spectrum 
now, and here is the level and power and the frequency I am 
going to be at. And then the systems can coordinate between 
themselves. So instead of simply responding to what they see in 
the environment, they are communicating with each other to 
coordinate their use of the spectrum in real time.
    Senator Wicker. Do you subscribe to his point of view in 
that regard?
    Mr. Clark. I think, definitely, that technology is 
certainly viable. The challenge will be getting to implement it 
into the defense systems that are multiple generations, and in 
some cases, old.
    Senator Wicker. Just quickly, if Dr. Hazlett and Mr. Pearl 
could respond and perhaps supplement on the record as to that 
question.
    Dr. Hazlett. Sure. This is an ongoing problem of a general 
order, and it is having an unpriced asset, and at a zero price, 
if opportunity costs are not considered, of course there is 
going to be over-consumption and no give. But the fact is there 
are social costs. There are economic costs. There are also 
technology costs in terms of taking the tradeoffs for 
compression, better radios, better training, better software.
    There are other alternatives here that everybody in the 
room should have the incentives to pursue, and that is where 
there has been some progress and there have been real good 
allocations made that really do bring efficiency. But to say 
that we are not going to look at efficiency, yet we need more 
and more and more, you are undermining the quest for 
efficiency. That is undermining both civilian and military 
applications.
    Senator Wicker. Mr. Chairman, I realize I am way over time.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Fischer.

                STATEMENT OF HON. DEB FISCHER, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM NEBRASKA

    Senator Fischer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank the 
panel for being here today.
    We know the context of this hearing about whether and how 
to use spectrum in a reconciliation bill. One key focus I am 
hearing is on revenues from the new spectrum pipeline that is 
only for exclusive commercial use. I want to stress for my 
colleagues that we must also weigh the cost and the timelines 
to relocate existing users for this type of pipeline.
    The Department of Defense is one of the users, with missile 
defense radars and satellite constellations providing critical 
capabilities. DoD losing access to its spectrum bands entirely, 
which is what vacating or clearing spectrum means, comes with 
huge risks and will end up costing us more. Replacing national 
security systems, if that is even possible, would cost hundreds 
of billions of dollars, and we all know it would take decades 
to be able to finish.
    So a pipeline estimated to raise, by CBO, based on current 
proposals, between $10 and $15 billion in a 10-year budget 
window may actually take 20 years to transition. I agree there 
are technologies that could make sharing spectrum possible. But 
DoD must have a seat at the table when its spectrum bands are 
studied and tested. Otherwise, we lose them, we risk losing 
access to this finite resource forever.
    Mr. Clark, what specific military capabilities could we use 
if lawmakers on this committee do not fully consider these 
realities before pressing ahead?
    Mr. Clark. Well, Senator, I think the key capability would 
be sensing technologies needing for air and missile defense. So 
in the lower S-band, lower X-band----
    Senator Fischer. Could you explain what S and X-band are?
    Mr. Clark. Right. So the lower part of the 3 GHz range in 
the S-band is really important for air and missile defense, 
because it gives you that combination of resolution and range 
that allows a radar to be pretty effective at tracking incoming 
targets. And then we need radars that operate up in the X-band, 
which is the 8 to 12 GHz range, but the lower part of that 
generally, to be able to differentiate small targets and be 
able to target them and be able to direct an interceptor like a 
Patriot missile to go hit them and shoot them down.
    Senator Fischer. So we have to see them and identify them.
    Mr. Clark. Right. So you need to both see them and then 
target them and track them, and that requires essentially two 
different sensor technologies to be either combined in the same 
radar or be in different radars. That is how the Patriot system 
works. That is how the AEGIS system works that the Navy has.
    So if we were to relocate out of those parts of the 
spectrum, you lose the physics that allows those sensors to 
work effectively, and we would have to either have more sensors 
or come up with a different approach.
    Senator Fischer. Right.
    Mr. Clark. So that is why sharing might be an effective 
alternative. But relocating them entirely may not be feasible 
because of the physics.
    Senator Fischer. You know, Mr. Clark, I have concerns about 
the role that China has played in influencing our spectrum 
policy in this country. We are being told that we have to keep 
up with China, that they have far more mid-band spectrum 
available, that their carriers can use the lower 3 for mobile 
networks, and that there have been no negative impacts to 
China's national security.
    Well, you know, in reality, China only has 10 more MHz of 
mid-band spectrum available for mobile networks. China also 
recently imposed restrictions in its lower 3 band, limiting 
commercial access to that low power which is indoor use. And 
yet we still hear that China comparison from carrier and their 
effort to gain exclusive use of these bands, which are needed 
for our radar systems.
    If the U.S. blinds its radars purely for economic reasons 
that only helps foreign adversaries like China. Do you share my 
concerns?
    Mr. Clark. I do. I think China could be playing a very 
sophisticated game here, where they are looking to get us to 
vacate parts of the spectrum that we need for our military 
sensors while they retain that access. So we unilaterally 
disarm while they are able to retain their capabilities, 
because as I said before, they have the ability to move 
commercial users out of the spectrum basically whenever they 
need to for their routine government purposes.
    Senator Fischer. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I would like to 
submit some questions for the record to Mr. Clark about 
spectrum management and how that also impacts what we are 
talking about today. Thank you.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Klobuchar.

               STATEMENT OF HON. AMY KLOBUCHAR, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM MINNESOTA

    Senator Klobuchar. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman, thank 
you to Ranking Member Cantwell, for this important hearing. I 
know this has been a good discussion about spectrum. I had a 
Judiciary hearing at the same time. But this is specifically 
important to our 911 system. I co-chair the Next Gen 911 Caucus 
with Senator Budd, and we are dedicated to expanding and 
improving emergency communications infrastructure.
    Yet the FTC spectrum authority expired in March 2023, as we 
all know, for the first time in nearly 30 years, and I am 
concerned about this lapse in spectrum authority with the 
increasing needs for emergency authority.
    An estimated 240 million calls are made to 911 centers 
annually. However, this critical public service relies on 
outdated technologies. I have led legislation with Senator 
Cortez Masto to modernize America's 911 system, to help enable 
911 call centers to better handle text messages, pictures, 
videos, and modern communications.
    Dr. Baylis, can you give an example of an innovation at 
your lab that could help make our 911 system stronger and more 
resilient?
    Dr. Baylis. So I think this depends on what types of 
interference the 911 systems are receiving. But an innovation 
that we are finding our lab that could really be helpful--well, 
there are two of them. One is we have got reconfigurable 
circuitry that can reconfigure within under a millisecond, and 
that would allow us to actually frequencies and then optimize 
our performance at a new frequency.
    What happens is your circuit is designed to operate at the 
old frequency, so if you change frequencies you may drain your 
batter because you do not have any efficiency, you may not get 
the transit power you need. So that is an example of one thing 
we are doing, is reconfigurable circuitry.
    And then I think that the Dynamic Spectrum Management 
System innovations we are working on, as well as our in-situ 
measurement capability, which would allow us to actually see 
when we are causing interference and change our transmissions, 
and be able to plug AI in through that. Those would help 911 
systems as well as any system that is trying to reconfigure. 
Thank you.
    Senator Klobuchar. You know, just recently, in the 
aftermath of Hurricane Helene, many affected areas experienced 
local communications blackouts because the flooding was severe 
enough to override the Internet providers' disaster contingency 
plans. How could we leverage innovation in spectrum management 
to ensure that our wireless broadband networks are more 
resilient when things happen like natural disasters?
    Dr. Baylis. I am not aware of this particular. I did not 
research this. I would have to go in and see exactly what the 
problem was in terms of the technical lapse and then try to be 
able to bring a team to solve it. If it was an interference 
issue or frequencies not being available, then I think our team 
has the solutions we could deal with it.
    Senator Klobuchar. Mm-hmm, and getting the spectrum thing 
set would be helpful, if we had more----
    Dr. Baylis. I think in the sense that technology is behind 
regulation right now, technology needs to be developed, and I 
think that is where our lapse is, really. I really believe that 
investment needs to be made in technology rather than just re-
regulating and re-regulating, because we are slicing the bread 
thinner and thinner and thinner until it crumbles.
    Senator Klobuchar. Thank you. Mr. Pearl and Mr. Clark, 
during President Trump's first administration there were 
interagency disputes regarding spectrum. We have seen these 
interagency disputes through Democratic administrations, as 
well. Recognizing the importance of providing more order, the 
National Spectrum Strategy was released in November 2023, and 
its implementation plan in March 2024.
    Mr. Pearl, can you discuss why it is important to continue 
to improve planning and coordination, and then, Mr. Clark, how 
can this administration cultivate more agency buy-in to avoid 
the sorts of disputes that have arisen, especially when it 
comes to the Department of Defense. Mr. Pearl?
    Mr. Pearl. You cannot work out these issues on an 
engineering level unless you have the proper interagency 
coordination, and that has to come from the White House really 
demanding that the agencies work together and participate in a 
robust way, and have the right engineers who are there to work 
out the problems, and really mandate that they share 
information. That is something that we have run into in the 
past, where an agency that wants to continue to use the 
spectrum is not willing to play ball and share information so 
they can work together collaboratively.
    And then you need a really healthy interagency process 
where it starts at the lower levels and eventually escalates if 
you cannot solve problems. That is incredibly helpful because 
if you just have the White House weigh in without having all 
the information and having that refined set of issues that 
comes from the interagency process, then in some cases the 
right decisions do not get made.
    Senator Klobuchar. Mm-hmm. Yes, we are experiencing a 
little bit of that right now, but I am not going to go there. 
OK, Mr. Clark.
    Mr. Clark. It requires leadership, both in the White House 
but also in the department. My discussion with the leadership 
of the current team in the Defense Department showed that they 
are very willing to engage in this interagency deliberation to 
figure out the best way to use the spectrum. And there are a 
lot of modeling and simulation tools that Dr. Baylis and others 
have that could help us to figure out what are the 
opportunities for sharing, and even coexistence, in adjacent 
spectra.
    Senator Klobuchar. OK. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Blackburn.

              STATEMENT OF HON. MARSHA BLACKBURN, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM TENNESSEE

    Senator Blackburn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you 
for this hearing. I think it is one of the things we need to be 
focused on is what is our leadership going to be as a nation in 
this area.
    So one of my concerns, and I have talked about this with 
the Chairman, is what I see as spectrum squatting, with our 
Federal agencies. They control most of the spectrum assets, and 
they are failing to optimize this. And I have, for years, 
advocated that we do a good inventory, so we know who is using 
what spectrum, where, and then be able to recoup it. Because it 
does not matter what project is being worked on, whether it is 
wireless, whether it is the MUOS system, whether it is LEO--
everybody in the DoD is working with the private sector, 
because they are leading the innovation. And for Federal 
agencies, Mr. Chairman, to squat on this spectrum, and to not 
use it, and to not want to yield it back, and not want anybody 
to know what they have got, it disadvantages us as a nation.
    And we know that recouping it, going through the auction 
process, would yield billions and billions of dollars, as much 
as $100 billion, and we need that because we are in a race with 
China when it comes to leading in this area. And we do not have 
time to waste, and we do not have time for squatters to bicker 
with what they are going to do with this spectrum.
    Mr. Pearl, let me come to you. This last World Radio 
Conference was a hot mess for the U.S. We were unprepared. We 
had not done our homework. And if we are going to continue to 
be a world leader, we are going to have to be prepared. You 
mentioned this is in your testimony, and I appreciated that you 
did, because I think it was embarrassing that we were 
unprepared for the leadership road.
    So I want to hear from you, and if you want to submit this 
in writing I would appreciate that, but the lessons we should 
have learned from this last one and the steps that we should be 
taking to prepare for the 2027 WRC.
    Mr. Pearl. Yes. So I think one of the lessons we learned 
is, so the next WRC is WRC 2027, and that is tomorrow in real 
terms, which is the preparatory process in incredibly quick in 
arriving at positions. It is going to give you a huge advantage 
vis-a-vis China.
    So I think that it is just important to have Congress, when 
it reauthorizes FCC auction authority, as well as the White 
House to make sure that these issues are resolved early and 
that you do not have the U.S. coming in late with positions.
    I also think that it is important as we are----
    Senator Blackburn. And I think that we know what those 
positions are, rather than squishing through the whole thing. 
That would be helpful.
    Mr. Pearl. Yep.
    Senator Blackburn. OK. Homework for each of you. You know, 
there are disputes, center agency disputes, about how to use 
spectrum. So each of you have touched on this, but in writing I 
want from you what your recommendation would be to resolve 
these disputes. We have to recoup the spectrum. We have got to 
look at how we slice these bands and put more--Mr. Clark, as 
you were saying--into that bandwidth. So help us with your best 
thoughts on that.
    Mr. Pearl, I want to come back to you on AI, because when 
we talk about AI and quantum and the utilizations that are 
there, we know more spectrum is needed. And in Tennessee, we 
have--I repeatedly hear from innovators, whether they are 
working logistics, they are working on something for DOE or 
DoD, or health care, they talk a good bit about this.
    But with AI, I think it is important to get on the record 
how spectrum constraints would actually hamper AI development 
and deployment.
    Mr. Pearl. Yes, I am absolutely happy to submit that on the 
record. I think one of the important points is it would hamper 
things not only on the commercial side but also on the DoD side 
of things, where there are really interesting AI applications 
for first responders in terrorist attacks and things like that, 
and leveraging it to make the right decisions. And that is 
something that is directly applicable to what DoD does in the 
battlefield.
    Another example is, you know, we have talked about 
spectrum, but to really advance what we need AI to do is to be 
able to take all the sources of information--spectrum, OPC, 
cyberspace, thermal imaging--just all of these things and 
generate real actionable insights. And we cannot do that unless 
we have those commercial technologies and we are winning the AI 
race with China.
    Senator Blackburn. And I will add to that the satellite 
systems.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Rosen.

                STATEMENT OF HON. JACKY ROSEN, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM NEVADA

    Senator Rosen. Thank you, Chair Cruz, Ranking Member 
Cantwell. Thank you to the witnesses for all of your work, your 
education, what you bring to the table here because our 
Nation's spectrum we know is one of our Nation's most important 
resources. So spectrum policy must be thoughtful, it has to be 
deliberative, and unlocking innovation while protecting our 
national security.
    I share some of my colleagues' concerns that this 
Administration and some of the majority want to sidestep having 
a deliberative, fact-based process, and instead advance 
spectrum proposals merely to raise as much revenue as possible 
to fund massive tax breaks for billionaires.
    So we must instead take our time to find the right policy 
that ensures that revenues from spectrum sales actually lower 
costs for the American people. Last Congress, this committee 
advanced legislation to use spectrum proceeds to lower my state 
of Nevada, Nevada's Internet bills, to help our first 
responders that is so important, and invest in the R&D that we 
need to share spectrum safely with the Department of Defense. 
That is a foundation we can and should build upon.
    And we know there are key challenges between the DoD, 
commercial operations. One thing that is particularly 
concerning, that I have been thinking a lot about, is dynamic 
spectrum sharing and where we are at with that. Mr. Clark, then 
Mr. Baylis, where are we really at, in reality, with our 
capabilities on dynamic spectrum sharing, and how can we 
deploy, when we get there, dynamic spectrum sharing, to ensure 
that efforts to expand access do not undermine military access? 
We still want to unlock possibilities, but is it still a 
concept? Are we testing it? Where are we at in the dynamic 
spectrum sharing role, please?
    Mr. Clark. Yes, Senator. Dynamic spectrum sharing is a 
relatively mature technology at this point. It is being used in 
applications like the Citizens Band Radio Service, where along 
the coast we have dynamic spectrum sharing between Navy radars 
that use the spectrum and then also 5G providers that operate 
in that same spectrum.
    There are obviously new technologies that are being 
employed, that Dr. Baylis has done a lot of work in, to make it 
even more sophisticated in terms of how that spectrum sharing 
happens----
    Senator Rosen. And more nimble.
    Mr. Clark.--and how seamless it can be, right, and how you 
can start to do that in much narrower parts of spectrum because 
it gives the ability for both users to jump around into 
different parts of the spectrum much more agilely than they 
could today.
    The challenge is always the implementation, because now we 
have got to take those new technologies and got to bake them 
in, in the case of the military, military systems that span 
multiple generations of technologies. So we have analog radars 
still in service, and analog communication systems that do not 
lend themselves. They are on the digital back end.
    Senator Rosen. So we would need a bridge to get there. We 
would need a bridge to get there.
    Mr. Clark. Right. We are going through this 
recapitalization of the U.S. military's spectrum-dependent 
systems that will, over time, make them better able to take 
advantage of these technologies. And the question is how 
quickly can we accelerate that in order to make dynamic 
spectrum sharing more of a reality.
    Senator Rosen. Thank you.
    Dr. Baylis. So thanks for the question. Incumbent DoD 
systems need technology development, and I think I want to 
focus on that for a minute because in the research question a 
lot of times we are very focused on helping the commercial 
wireless systems be more adaptive. SMART Hub has really taken 
what I think is a very unique focus, and looking at the 
incumbent systems, actually how do we improve the DoD systems? 
Given where the DoD systems are today, we want to see those 
move to an adaptive and reconfigurable model. So we are working 
on flexible circuitry. We are working on flexible communication 
strategies. We are trying to figure out how can we put AI into 
actually predicting the spectrum, so these incumbent systems we 
can hopefully, and with our industry partnerships, we have got 
a quick pathway to put technology into the hands of the DoD to 
facilitate the types of economic growth that our Nation needs 
from the spectral bands.
    So hopefully the technology development is a game-charger, 
where we can have our cake and eat it too.
    Senator Rosen. Well, to your point then, what are the risks 
associated with mandating the movement of certain bands, or the 
alterations of certain bands, prior to having first done these 
studies about what we can and cannot do, and how we need maybe 
a measured approach to get some of these legacy systems where 
they can be nimble and more adaptive?
    Dr. Baylis. Technology development is, I think, the big 
elephant in the room, and we need to address it, because if we 
do not we can do a lot of things to posture but we are not 
going to make improvements because we are just slicing the 
bread thinner and thinner. By having adaptive and 
reconfigurable technology, what Congress needs to do is to fund 
work going forward with entities like SMART Hub, because we are 
going to bring it to the DoD quickly, and that will be a game-
changer. We will not have to have these discussions anymore 
because the technology will supersede, way supersede what we 
have today that is available. And it can be done in a 
reasonably short period of time.
    Senator Rosen. So investing in smart, more things that you 
are doing in SMART Hub. Thank you very much.
    Dr. Baylis. Thank you.
    Senator Rosen. I appreciate it.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Budd.

                  STATEMENT OF HON. TED BUDD, 
                U.S. SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA

    Senator Budd. Thank you, Chairman, and again I thank the 
panel for being here. This is a fascinating testimony.
    I think we are all trying to find the ``both/and'' here. I 
mean, how do we find the revenues from the spectrum auction 
that is much needed, and how do we secure and protect national 
defense.
    Dr. Baylis, I want to follow up. Thanks for your work at 
SMART Hub. I did not hear, between Mr. Clark's answer then your 
answer, what is the timeline for dynamic spectrum sharing? If 
you saw great promise, how far out before an actual practical 
implementation of that, in your best estimation?
    Dr. Baylis. Yes. I would say as fast as possible. We are in 
a national----
    Senator Budd. Do you have years----
    Dr. Baylis. We are in a national crisis right now in terms 
of spectrum. We really are. And so when you have an emergency 
you try to fix the problem as quickly as possible, and that is 
what we are doing. We really are trying to work as quickly as 
possible.
    I will say that having a center like this, where we have 
convened the Nation's top 25 spectrum researchers, in my 
opinion, to solve a problem, you have got everybody reading off 
the same sheet of music, working together. You have got policy 
and economics experts alongside circuit experts. That is really 
going to speed it up. I say that is going to give you a three-
time speed-up rather than a program director funding one-off 
projects somewhere.
    So I will say we can really accelerate it. May be able to 
put a time scale, I would say as quickly as possible. I really 
do not want to give you an exact number, just because I do not 
know exactly what that number is. But I can tell you at our 6-
month demo we showed tremendous progress.
    Senator Budd. Mr. Clark, do you have a number?
    Mr. Clark. I can give you a number. To get these 
technologies incorporated into the military systems that need 
them it would take 10 to 20 years, because you are going to 
take these ships offline, these aircraft offline, these radars 
offline, to go upgrade them. And we cannot have them all do it 
at once, obviously. So it takes time to run them all through 
the process of being upgraded.
    Senator Budd. Thank you. Mr. Baylis, you mentioned that 
Congress needs to fund some more research on this. Do you have 
a dollar amount on that? Is there something that you are 
particularly asking for to do more research in dynamic spectrum 
sharing?
    Dr. Baylis. Well, thanks for asking. SMART Hub is annually 
funded by an appropriation right now. We have gotten one so 
far, and we are in this bill coming from the House side, with 
Mr. Sessions, and we are asking for $5 million for this year. 
We have been working off of a $5 million budget.
    Senator Budd. Should industry also bear some of the burden 
of this?
    Dr. Baylis. So our technology transfer model actually is 
going to line up investors very early on in the process. And 
also industry, we are building industry partnerships quickly, 
so that essentially investors will start pouring their funds in 
when they see the technology. And we are already building DoD 
contractor pipelines that will not only put the technology in 
the hands of warfighter, but through this pipeline we will fund 
more research.
    So we have got an ecosystem that just needs a runway to get 
the plane taking off.
    Senator Budd. Thank you.
    Dr. Baylis. And we are not going to be, hopefully, coming 
to you infinitely for money. That is not my goal. The reason 
for me not stating a year is not for me to say, hey, we have 
got to continue this infinitely, with support. I think I just 
want to be cautious about promising anything and not delivering 
on it.
    Senator Budd. You did not give us a year but you did give 
me a dollar, so thank you very much.
    Mr. Pearl, a question for you. I appreciate your statement 
that spectrum is critical to economic security, and I am 
quoting you, because it provides a foundation for U.S. 
companies to innovate. So what is your assessment of when 
innovation might be stifled, giving the increasing data 
traffic?
    Mr. Pearl. So I think that it has not happened yet because 
we had some recent auctions in the last administration. But I 
would say probably in the next 2 years we would see some real 
impacts. Although I would say Congress has to act much sooner 
than that, because it takes time, once auction authority is 
restored, to have the auctions. But in terms of when you will 
really have an impact on our networks to handle the loads, I 
think it could be in the next year or two.
    Senator Budd. So would upgrades to existing 5G, would that 
buy us some time?
    Mr. Pearl. It could but, you know, there are some fiscal 
constraints on that, which is that the companies spent $190 
billion so far upgrading their networks for 5G, and that has 
been great. That got us through COVID. We have all these 
wonderful, fixed networks. So just their ability to do that 
might be constrained, and it could be that spectrum is the only 
solution at this particular time.
    Senator Budd. Thank you. And Mr. Pearl, continuing, in your 
experience in Federal spectrum management, how important is 
White House leadership on this, and do we need more and more 
clear leadership from the White House than we had in the 
previous administration on this issue?
    Dr. Baylis. So White House leadership is absolutely 
critical, although I would say that in my view it does start 
with Congress in terms of establishing some clearing targets 
and some guidance. That really strengthens the hand of the 
White House, and working with the agencies. But yes, without 
having, from the President on down, and having the willingness 
from people like the National Security Advisor, Director of 
National Economic Council to actually spend time on these 
issues and prioritize them with everything else that is going 
on. Because that is ultimately how you get things done and 
ensure that everyone in the interagency has their marching 
orders of how to make progress.
    Senator Budd. Thank you, Chairman.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Dr. Baylis, you told Senator Budd 
a second ago, you said that we are facing a national crisis in 
spectrum. Could you articulate explicitly what you mean by 
that, what national crisis we are facing?
    Dr. Baylis. We have applications that need to have 
spectrum, spectrum real estate, so to speak, and we do not have 
enough bandwidth for all of them. So the way we are currently 
doing spectrum, by fixed allocations of spectrum, is just not 
going to work moving forward. So we need technology to support 
the movement of devices in real time between spectral bands, 
and it is a paradigm shift. We really need a paradigm shift 
badly, where we have got too much trying to use too little.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Schmitt.

                STATEMENT OF HON. ERIC SCHMITT, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM MISSOURI

    Senator Schmitt. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I really do 
believe that over the last 3 years the U.S. has ceded a lot of 
leadership in spectrum policy and 5G innovation, both 
domestically and internationally. That is not good news. Under 
the first Trump administration, we went from stagnation to 
global leadership. Congress passed--I was not here but Congress 
passed the Secure and Trusted Networks Act. But in the time 
since then, the last 4 years, the Biden administration's 
failure to act and focus on divisive things like DEI has really 
set us back.
    I am one of the members that serves both on Armed Services, 
with Senator Budd also, and the Commerce Committee, so there is 
a bit of a balancing act, I think, that goes with this. And 
while I think DoD should have a voice in this process, I 
strongly believe that Congress is has already established the 
NCIA as the primary authority for spectrum allocation, and it 
must lead rather than act as a rubber stamp for DoD. I think 
that is one of the issues. National security has been heard 
today. It is very multi-faceted, economic security is national 
security, and China is coming for our lunch, in more than one 
way.
    I wanted to ask just a few questions, and I will try not to 
ask questions that have already been asked, but it is possible 
I might. Dr. Baylis, when we talk about spectrum management and 
enhancing the ability of commercial and defense users to sort 
of coexist in those shared bands, what role and how far have we 
come, and how far do we have to go for that to be really 
effective with AI, as these advancements proceed?
    Dr. Baylis. So it is interesting. AI can be used in 
multiple levels in the new spectrum sharing--or I should say 
the new adaptive and reconfigurable paradigm. One level is to 
assess, predict the spectrum that is going to be available for 
our use, and having this technology in the DoD and commercial 
hands is very useful.
    The second is actually inside the devices themselves, to be 
able to optimize their performance, to make sure a radar 
transmitter can reconfigure its circuitry after it has to move 
in frequency to maximize its range so it can detect targets far 
out.
    We can use AI to help us reconfigure the circuits quickly 
and take measurements on board the device. So a lot of our 
technology development is actually equipped with this plug-in 
of AI. In fact, we have one of the world's AI experts, 
Professor Bob Marks, who has written great books on AI that 
Congress actually is on the recommended reading list. He is 
part of SMART Hub and working very actively with us to infuse 
AI into our decisionmaking for our spectrum adaptive and 
reconfigurable devices.
    Senator Schmitt. And, of course, that allows you to 
maximize, right? It allows you to actually maximize the bands 
of spectrum, right, as opposed to having maybe overutilization 
in one place and lack of utilization somewhere else. It is a 
predictive modeling.
    Dr. Baylis. It really could. And I think AI has tremendous 
power, and we need to marshal it for being able to use the 
spectrum efficiently and to adapt our technologies to where the 
spectrum is maximally being shared.
    Senator Schmitt. And I will throw this open for any one of 
the four. One of the things on a topic like this, to try to ask 
the question. Back home, I actually think this is one of those 
topics that it just does not come up in a town hall. It does 
not come up on the stump. But it is of critical importance for 
our country.
    So it is with those kinds of topics then, how do you, if 
you were in our position, how would you sort of crystallize why 
this issue is so important for the American people? And I would 
open it up to any one of you.
    Dr. Baylis. I will take this quickly. I have to go out and 
tell people what we are doing, and one of the things that I say 
is spectrum is the most important dimension of battle. If you 
can dominate the spectrum, you are going to win the war. So 
from the DoD side it is unquestionable.
    In fact, the Space Force, we are talking with Space Force 
people now. The Space Force, the only dimension of battle is 
spectrum. There are no tanks. There are no soldiers on the 
ground. It is just spectrum, and we are going to have to be 
dominant in spectrum. So from the DoD side that is really 
important.
    I think from the commercial side, we are more connected 
than we have ever been through spectrum. We learned that during 
the pandemic, because we had to use the wireless spectrum to 
connect with loved ones and other things. So I think our 
society certainly sees the need for wireless devices.
    Senator Schmitt. Anybody else?
    Mr. Clark. I think the challenge comes into play where we 
have to afford the military the ability to be agile in the 
spectrum and be able to maneuver and keep our adversaries off 
balance, which some of the technology that Dr. Baylis is 
developing could help us to do. So if we were to field those it 
would make our military more agile when it comes to sharing 
spectrum at home and also more agile when it comes to creating 
problems for our enemies overseas.
    So that is really important. It will take time to get to 
the point where those technologies can be incorporated into our 
military systems. Until then, we are going to have to have some 
hybrid approach.
    Senator Schmitt. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Hickenlooper.

             STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN HICKENLOOPER, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM COLORADO

    Senator Hickenlooper. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you 
all for being here. I appreciate how busy you all are.
    I think this is one of the key discussions we are going to 
have here all year. The Spectrum Relocation Fund, let me start 
with that, provides funding to Federal agencies to research the 
feasibility of modifying and, if necessary, upgrading the 
Federal systems that use spectrum. So SRF, at least as we see 
it, it seems limited by only reimbursing a Federal agency for 
necessary costs to update a system of, quote/unquote, 
``comparable'' capability. So not the next level but comparable 
capability. Many Federal agencies have stated that the SRF 
limits their ability to upgrade their systems that use 
spectrum, just to be able to continue fulfilling their 
missions.
    Mr. Pearl, why don't I start with you. Do you believe SRF 
could be reformed to better incentivize agencies to share or 
reallocate spectrum? Why or why not?
    Mr. Pearl. Yes, and I would put it stronger and say that 
SRF must be reformed, I think if we are going to resolve these 
issues.
    Senator Hickenlooper. I was trying to say that myself, but 
I was being generous
    Mr. Pearl. But yes, I think you identified one of the key 
issues, which is that the agencies need to be able to receive 
upgrades and have more advanced systems. Some of these 
capabilities we are talking about could be paid for with 
auction funds.
    I think it is also necessary to give NTIA the authority to 
get funding in order to do studies. Right now, only the 
agencies can get SRF money to do studies. But as several 
Senators have said, it is really important, and the NTIA 
engineers are really looking at this from an honest broker 
perspective and trying to get to the right answer. So allowing 
them to do that would be really helpful.
    And then I think the last thing is that there is a 
technical panel under the legislation--NTIA, FCC, OMB--and they 
have proved what the agency is going to do when they do the 
study. But they need more oversight of the process after that, 
because when things to off the rails and the study is not going 
to be useful, you need that ability for the other agencies and 
the other engineers to weigh in and get things back on track.
    Senator Hickenlooper. Absolutely. I could not agree more.
    Dr. Baylis, your testimony underscores how collaboration in 
the academic community and within government and the academic 
community helps enhance this Spectrum Innovation Center you 
lead. You see firsthand how our universities educate and create 
that workforce pipeline that we need to maintain our 
leadership, in all STEM fields--computer scientists to advanced 
cybersecurity of the wireless networks, radio frequency 
engineers--to develop new technologies for sharing spectrum and 
getting more efficient usage.
    As we debate, as Congress debates how to study and share 
and reallocate spectrum, and try to be as fair and look at the 
greatest good for the greatest number of people, how do you 
highlight the importance of ensuring that U.S. grows a trained 
spectrum and cyber work force?
    Dr. Baylis. Thank you. I appreciate the question. Workforce 
development is one of the important things we do, and I think 
it starts with the fact that our faculty, our staff 
researchers, our students that are on this project are all U.S. 
citizens. You will not find that in many academic centers. But 
we are a bunch of patriots, because we want to see this country 
succeed, and we want to see this country be the best in 
wireless technology, so it starts there.
    I think we have to develop an American pipeline of students 
that is going to be able to work on the future spectrum 
paradigm. We have been doing a lot of efforts, one of which the 
National Science Foundation is currently funding, where we 
actually have undergraduate students from around the country 
apply to and get the opportunity to come to a 4-day residential 
workshop on one of our campuses. And we will be holding four of 
them this summer. Actually one in your state, at Colorado State 
University, is one of our universities, and we will be holding 
one there. So you are welcome to come and check it out if you 
would like.
    Senator Hickenlooper. I will do that.
    Dr. Baylis. We are also involved with the Army Research 
Laboratory, who we are even commissioned through. We have a 
SMART Hub fellows program, where we actually place students at 
the lab, working with some of our brightest minds in the 
laboratory, and working with each other so that they can build 
cross-disciplinary expertise in spectrum. And we are expanding 
that to some other agencies now, also.
    So definitely that is a big part of bringing in the new 
adaptive and reconfigurable paradigm. Thank you.
    Senator Hickenlooper. I appreciate that. I am kind of out 
of time. Mr. Clark--and I will leave this and you can answer 
very concisely--this partnership between the Federal Government 
and the auctions around how spectrum gets divvied up, how do 
you look when you are evaluating spectrum used for a Federal 
mission, how important is it for the agencies to have a 
meaningful and collaborative role in that feasibility study?
    Mr. Clark. It is really important because the physics 
matter. I think that fundamentally, no matter how much spectrum 
sharing or division of the spectrum into more efficient bands 
comes, you still have to deal with the physics of certain bands 
are going to be useful for certain operations, and you cannot 
just move to another part of the spectrum. So physics matter, 
and I think that is fundamentally what it comes down to.
    Senator Hickenlooper. Thank you so much. I yield back to 
the chair.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Curtis.

                STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN CURTIS, 
                     U.S. SENATOR FROM UTAH

    Senator Curtis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our national 
security is a top priority. Without it we are a nation at risk 
of attack from those who would do us harm. I support the 
Department of Defense. But when it comes to spectrum debate, 
the DoD and the commercial interests have been at a stalemate 
for decades. After years of discussion it seems unclear to me 
why something cannot be worked out. It feels as if there is 
something I do not know.
    I know that DoD is not here today, but I suspect they are 
listening, and I would challenge them to better articulate just 
specifically what it is that they are not telling us. Perhaps 
it needs to be classified, and if so I am game for that 
briefing. But I think it is fair to say that I do not see it, 
and I think it is important that as a Member of Congress we 
better understand just exactly why we cannot come to this 
consensus.
    Mr. Hazlett, the United States won the 4G race, which led 
to considerable investment and innovation, that resulted the 
app economy being developed here in the United States. Looking 
ahead to the future of 5G and 6G technologies, I share a 
concern that many have that if the U.S. yields its technology 
dominance to China, future economies may develop abroad instead 
of at home.
    Can you speak to the importance of the United States being 
the global leader on 5G and 6G technologies?
    Dr. Hazlett. Well, we simply squander an opportunity to 
move ahead and to make the economy stronger, have innovation 
here that, by the way, has benefits way beyond the auction 
revenues. So in talking about scoring the auction revenues, my 
economist reaction is you are leaving out the biggest part of 
this, which is surging the economy, and, in fact, getting tax 
revenues over time. These are routinely led on the other side.
    I would just quickly say one thing. Yes, this debate 
between civilian and military, it has been going on since----
    Senator Curtis. Let's figure it out.
    Dr. Hazlett.--before 2020.
    Senator Curtis. So I had meant to say this question if I 
had enough time, but you brought it up so I am just going to 
hit it right now. The CBO has consistently mis-scored the 
revenue, and I understand you are talking about additional 
revenue that comes from that. How is it that we keep getting 
wrong by such dramatic numbers the value of these?
    Dr. Hazlett. Good question. I do not have an answer to 
that.
    Senator Curtis. Their score is 51 percent lower than the 
average sale. All right. We will let you off because I have a 
whole bunch of other questions.
    Mr. Baylis, could you explain the difference between full 
power, exclusive use spectrum licenses versus potential 
spectrum sharing models, and how those different policy 
approaches might impact the rollout of the next generation of 
wireless technologies?
    Dr. Baylis. So I think what you mean by exclusive, full 
power is that is the only device that gets to use the band. I 
think you mean by dynamic spectrum sharing that there is some 
level of interplay.
    I would say that from my perspective as a director of a 
center that is developing adaptive and reconfigurable 
technology, what we need to do, we are here at you service to 
build the best technology that we can to help our country 
succeed, and we are happy to inform you where the technologies 
are. In terms of choosing a side in that game, I prefer not to 
try to speak out on that, because that is not my lane. I am 
really trying to develop technologies that will make us the 
best.
    Senator Curtis. OK. Mr. Pearl, did you want to comment?
    Mr. Pearl. Yes. I would just mention that I would separate 
a bit in terms of full power versus low power, and they both 
have their benefits and advantages, as we have seen with 
cellular networks and Wi-Fi, although full power does not 
necessarily need to be exclusive use. And I am actually not 
aware of a Federal spectrum transition that is completely 
exclusive use in the sense that DoD completely cleared out.
    So I do think you can look at it both ways, where you are 
looking at full power but not necessarily exclusive use, and 
vice versa with low power. So I just would mention that.
    Senator Curtis. OK, good. That is helpful. While we are on 
you let me ask you a question that was mentioned. DoD is not 
here, so we will pick on you. The demand, as we all know, for 
mid-range spectrum is high, and it is not going away. DoD says 
they cannot afford to give up a single part of their spectrum 
without negative national security consequences.
    Is DoD truly using all of its spectrum with maximizing 
efficiency, and what other considerations are leading DoD to 
this conclusion?
    Mr. Pearl. No, I do not believe they are, and, you know, if 
you get into the details with them, in many cases, I think that 
they would concede that. And I think that it is necessary to 
work with all the right constituencies in DoD.
    One thing I would mention is that you are hearing one thing 
at the briefings, but there are people in DoD that have a more 
innovative mindset and see some of the advantages here. And I 
think figuring out how to empower some of those people and 
bring them to the table is really helpful, because that is how 
we can solve some of these problems.
    Senator Curtis. Good. I am out of time. I would like to 
just close with, I am a DoD supporter, right. I want them to 
have what they need. But I also think we can work this out.
    Thank you all for your time. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I yield.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Kim.

                  STATEMENT OF HON. ANDY KIM, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM NEW JERSEY

    Senator Kim. Yes, thank you, Chairman. Actually, I just 
want to pick up where we were there. Dr. Pearl, I mean, we are 
trying to get all this sense of the tradeoffs that are out 
there and what we are hearing from DoD and elsewhere. And I 
guess I would just ask you, do you think that this committee 
would benefit from having a classified briefing conversation 
with DoD and try to dig into some of those other people that 
you are talking about that could try to bring to light some of 
what this is? I am just kind of curious your thoughts on that.
    Mr. Pearl. I do, and I think that it would be helpful to 
work with the right people and bring in some engineers to that 
process. Because what it really comes down to is not just the 
high-level briefing. It is getting into here is a critical 
system, and here is the actual impact it would have on 
performance if it used less spectrum, and getting very precise 
about that. And then talking about some of the technologies 
that might be able to avoid that outcome and preserve the DoD 
capability. But really focusing on some of those, like, a small 
number of critical systems and getting into those details.
    Because just to be told, ``We can't share any. We are using 
all of it, at all times,'' I mean, to me, you know, there are 
important systems in these bands. There are systems that 
absolutely are essential to our national security. But to say 
that we cannot share any of it and we are using all of it is 
just not--that does not pass muster.
    Senator Kim. Yes, I think you are right. That precision is 
incredibly important when it comes to these decisions.
    Mr. Clark, I guess I would ask you the same question. What 
are your thoughts about us, in this committee, diving in deeper 
in a classified way?
    Mr. Clark. Oh yes, yes, sir. I think that is absolutely 
what needs to happen, is to get down to that level of precision 
of what do the systems do, what frequencies do they operate it, 
what is the purpose of the system and how does it work in the 
war fight. And then how could it operate differently if we were 
to try to make it more agile in the spectrum?
    So a lot of these systems, they need a band of spectrum 
that is available so that they can jump around and avoid enemy 
detection or avoid enemy jamming. So in some cases these 
systems are not efficient, because they have to have more 
spectrum made available to them so they can do this kind of 
anti-jam function. But that means they are not using the 
frequency continuously. So if you had spectrum sharing schemes 
and dynamic spectrum sharing you could still do anti-jam 
operations while being able to free that spectrum up for other 
users when you are not employing it.
    Senator Kim. OK.
    Mr. Pearl. If I could just add one point on having--because 
I think it is a worthwhile conversation. Also looping in what 
are the possible ways that you could accommodate DoD in other 
parts of the spectrum. So if we talk about, for instance, lower 
3 GHz, which is a really critical area of discussion, there is 
a Federal band that goes 400 MHz below where is DoD is using 
it. So also having a conversation about where could DoD 
potentially move I think could be really helpful.
    Senator Kim. Yes. Thank you for that. I agree. I mean, Mr. 
Chair, I guess I would just, for your consideration, you know, 
as one of the newer members here on the Committee, you know, I 
was on Armed Services on the House, but still a lot here to 
unpack. So if we could consider whether or not that might be 
doable for us to engage in a classified way, that might be able 
to make sure that we are all really trying to understand this, 
especially what Dr. Pearl said about the precision that is 
necessary here, because so much is at stake.
    Just in my final time here, Dr. Pearl, I guess I just 
wanted to ask you, in your testimony you talked about how 
critical it is for the U.S. to advance our position in wireless 
innovation and technology, especially when it comes to the 
strategic competition that we face with the PRC. I guess I 
would like you to just expand. Can you explain to us how the 
spectrum auction authority fits into that goal? How is that 
embedded within that broader ability for us to advance our 
position?
    Mr. Pearl. So I would characterize spectrum auctions as the 
first step in a chain reaction that reverberates through the 
global economy, meaning that the auction is something that, 
other than us insiders, no one is aware of, raises some money 
for the Treasury. But that is the opportunity for mobile 
operators to upgrade their networks. Otherwise, it is too 
expensive. There is no reason to do it. It is once they have 
obtained new spectrum that they launch new services, expand 
their use of it. And then from there it reverberates into the 
app economy, into tech companies, into like what you can use 
all that bandwidth for.
    And then ultimate that creates an ecosystem, and we want a 
technology ecosystem outside the PRC that is the most advanced 
and robust. So it is a key component in terms of building that 
overall tech ecosystem that is going to be able to outcompete 
and out-innovate the----
    Senator Kim. And that innovation, that is not just good for 
our own nation but that helps us be able to try to export that 
and be able to get market share around the world. Is that what 
you are saying?
    Mr. Pearl. Yes, absolutely. So other countries are going to 
make decisions about what spectrum bands they use, what 
wireless networks they procure from. So having that ecosystem 
that is attractive to them means that they will choose the U.S. 
over the PRC.
    Senator Kim. Great. Thank you. I yield back, Chair.
    Chairman Cruz. Thank you. Senator Moreno.

               STATEMENT OF HON. BERNIE MORENO, 
                     U.S. SENATOR FROM OHIO

    Senator Moreno. First, Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding 
this hearing. I am glad I sat through the whole thing. It was 
extremely enlightening. And I know in the Senate you are 
supposed to abide by the rules that even though a point has 
been made, it has not been made by everybody. I will break that 
tradition and thank the four of you for your testimony. I 
thought the exchange was fantastic. We learned a lot. And with 
that I yield my time.
    Chairman Cruz. Very good. You may win the prize for 
brevity. I must say, I am not sure you are going to make it as 
a Senator.
    [Laughter.]
    Chairman Cruz. I am not going to follow that line. There 
are several things I want to revisit.
    There was a claim mentioned earlier that it would take 20 
years developed advanced sharing technologies. Mr. Pearl, did 
it take 20 years to develop the AMBIT process?
    Mr. Pearl. No. I think that was a matter of--the study was 
done in about 6 months, and it was completed within 12 to 18 
months, if I am remembering it correctly.
    Chairman Cruz. Mr. Clark, are geographic carveouts another 
way to share?
    Mr. Clark. Yes, sir, they are, absolutely. And on the point 
about 20 years, I was just saying it would take 20 years, 
potentially, to upgrade all the systems with the new 
technology. The new technology would be available more quickly, 
obviously.
    Chairman Cruz. And was the AMBIT process successful in 
enabling DoD and commercial 5G coexistence?
    Mr. Clark. It did. Yes, sir.
    Chairman Cruz. Some of my colleagues have also discussed 
low-power spectrum sharing or CBRS. Mr. Pearl, do you think 
CBRS is a panacea, or do we also need full-power spectrum?
    Mr. Pearl. We need full-power spectrum, as well. CBRS was 
the first really serious effort to do dynamic spectrum sharing 
in a band where it was really difficult. But you need both 
those high-powered uses to really utilize the ability to 
penetrate buildings, walls, to really have the capital 
investment that the carriers need in order to offer a lot of 
those services. So you need those high-power services, you need 
low-power services, which we have in 6 GHz and elsewhere, and 
both are important, absolutely.
    Chairman Cruz. Dr. Hazlett, I have heard concerns that CBRS 
has been underutilized because providers lack the certainty 
they need to invest in their CBRS spectrum. Do you share these 
concerns?
    Dr. Hazlett. Well, there are some problems, as the FCC is 
acknowledging, and it is going back to try to see how it can 
fix it. You know, the claims were that that was the solution, 
that that was going to really have what is called sharing. I 
will just mention the fact that all spectrum is shared, OK. 
What is called exclusive use is not exclusive at all. You have 
networks in the United States with 100 million subscribers and 
they share these aggregations of bandwidth. And, in fact, there 
are all kinds of models that have developed, between firms, 
between providers, when you do get the incentives to come 
together and make deals.
    So in terms of, yes, people coming in from the private 
sector dealing with government assignments, the fact is that 
paying to share--in other words, paying to separate the 
allocations between the new users and the existing users--that 
is a very effective form of sharing.
    So it is really not just science. It is incentives to come 
together. That is why things like overlays are so important. It 
is why a better system of audits, which has been talked about, 
this has been suggested 25 years ago to the FCC to, in fact, 
have, by auction or assignment, have private firms come in and 
actually audit spectrum that is being used by government 
agencies to see if there are opportunities there for sharing. 
But maybe it is money coming to the agency in an improved 
version of the spectrum relocation process, to get that out 
there.
    Chairman Cruz. Mr. Clark, we heard from my colleague, 
Senator Fischer, that a pipeline bill would require exclusive 
licensed use of, and vacating or clearing DoD out of bands. 
Now, as you know, the Spectrum Pipeline Act, that I have 
authored, requires a pipeline of full power, not exclusive use, 
and does not identify any specific bands.
    Mr. Clark, is there anything in that bill that is 
inconsistent with your testimony or Senator Fischer's concerns?
    Mr. Clark. No. In theory, it is not. And I think the 
challenge will be implementation, because depending on how much 
your target is to try to clear, it may prove difficult to be 
able to work out an arrangement so that the commercial and 
military users can both employ that spectrum. And the auction 
may not be attractive from the commercial companies' 
perspective because the geographic patchwork they may end up 
with or the spectrum sharing requirements are going to be such 
that maybe it makes it too expensive for them to pursue.
    Chairman Cruz. So, Mr. Pearl, we had an exchange with 
Senator Fischer and Mr. Clark where they were discussing the 
theory that China's public push to lead in wireless technology 
is just a mind game, that they are somehow baiting the United 
States with ambitious plans, and they are secretly holding 
back, trying to trick us into giving up spectrum to the 
commercial sector.
    I find that a particularly odd conspiracy theory, given the 
actual facts of what we know. First of all, we know that Huawei 
and other Chinese manufacturers are actively and successfully 
pushing worldwide adoption of Chinese 6G equipment standards. 
That would not be possible without China having made its 
spectrum available for commercial use.
    Second, China has aggressively targeted our 
telecommunication industry, has tapped the phones of top 
officials, including President Trump and Vice President Vance, 
and prompted this committee to fully fund a multibillion-dollar 
rip-and-replace program to remove Chinese equipment from 
American networks.
    Mr. Pearl, would American national and economic security be 
harmed if Chinese firms, like Huawei and ZTE, set the global 
standard for 6G network equipment via this first-mover 
advantage? And how would that affect the global competitiveness 
of U.S. companies?
    Mr. Pearl. So it would have a great deal of harm, and I 
would echo my agreement that I do not think this is a 
disinformation campaign. I fought the battle against Huawei and 
ZTE for almost 2 years. And in order for their businesses to be 
able to sell equipment outside of China they need to be able to 
use these bands inside of China and get those economies of 
scale.
    But if they are successful in terms of setting the global 
standard, that means that the U.S. will have a siloed market 
with a few of its allies and partners, where it will have much 
worse technology, much worse networks. We will just have an 
inferior ecosystem. And ultimately that means that we are going 
to be put at a military disadvantage, because as others have 
commented, in a battle the electromagnetic domain can be 
absolutely decisive, and we just will not have the technology 
to prevail in that case.
    Chairman Cruz. Well, I want to thank all the witnesses for 
very helpful testimony. Senators will have until the close of 
business on Wednesday, February 26, to submit questions for the 
record, and then the witnesses will have until the close of 
business on Wednesday, March 12, to respond to those questions.
    And with that, that concludes today's hearing. The 
committee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 12:02 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]

                            A P P E N D I X

     Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. John Thune to 
                           Dr. Thomas Hazlett
    Question. I have long been an advocate for increasing access to 
both licensed and unlicensed spectrum. What are some of the notable 
innovations in the unlicensed spectrum space, and how have unlicensed 
technologies, such as Wi-Fi, benefitted our economy?
    Answer. The unlicensed bands benefited from two reforms in the 
1980s, wherein devices using the ISM (Industrial, Scientific, and 
Medical) frequencies -which had been regulated so as to exclude 
advanced technologies--were significantly deregulated in terms of 
formats adopted. The particular driver was permitting ``spread 
spectrum'' technologies. These now enable our local area communications 
(Wi-Fi) as well as wide area wireless networks (2G, 3G, 4G, 5G). The 
innovations specifically in the unlicensed bands revolve around 
wireless local area network (WLAN) applications--signals designed to 
work within a house or office, a Bluetooth transmissions linking a 
smart phone to a car speaker, ID tags, off-load for wide area networks 
(including the Internet, wireless and fixed), security cameras, 
doorbells, and on and on. These products are purchased by millions and 
generate significant benefits.
    The more difficult part comes in separating the distinct impact 
(``marginal value'') of a specific spectrum allocation. With 
unlicensed, the allocations are typically imposed by regulators who 
make an administrative judgement that the spectrum is better under one 
set of rules than under another. But the popular use of local area 
networks, and products such as mentioned above, have developed in 
parallel with other expanding wireless ecosystems. There are multiple 
ways for an additional dollop of bandwidth to fortify wireless 
services. Each allocation specifically crafted for unlicensed uses and 
business models of one sort (including local area networks rather than 
wide area networks) confronts an opportunity cost. Those costs are 
generally invisible to regulators and are poorly estimated (in many 
cases) by the FCC.
    For instance, in 2002, the FCC announced it would allocate the 
large, unoccupied bandwidth set aside for TV broadcasting in the 1952 
TV Station Allocation Table for ``white space'' device use. The 
regulatory model would by non-exclusive access rights permit unlicensed 
devices into the set aside spaces, free of charge. Devices would comply 
with power limits and technology restrictions (checking with a database 
for instructions as to which channels were available for use, 
dynamically in time, e.g.).
    While the approach promised to introduce valuable new services--
``Wi-Fi on steroids''--virtually no devices have been made or sold in 
the nearly quarter-century that the FCC has sponsored the ``TV White 
Spaces'' policy. Meanwhile, an adjacent 70 MHz block of former TV 
spectrum was transitioned to an alternative rights model--with 
exclusive, flexible-use rights--over 2010-2020. This allocation not 
only received market feedback in the $20 billion in winning bids 
generated by their sale, but demonstrably boosted mobile network 
capacity, intensified wireless broadband competition, and supplied 
billions of dollars in economic gains. This far outperforms the 210 MHz 
of over-the-air TV dedicated to the video distribution model of I Love 
Lucy, on the one hand, and TV White Spaces, on the other.
    Hence, the choices about how to allocate spectrum must carefully 
consider appropriate margins, recognize spectrum substitution 
possibilities, account for opportunity costs, and incorporate the 
transaction costs consumed in administrative delays.\1\--TWH
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    \1\ Thomas Hazlett & Michael Honig, Valuing Spectrum Allocations, 
23 Mich. Telecomm. & Tech. L. Rev. 45 (2016-2017); Hazlett, Benefit-
cost analysis in the 5.9 GHz band, Journal of Benefit-Cost Analysis 
(2025): 1-24.
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     Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Todd Young to 
                           Dr. Thomas Hazlett
    Question. Dr. Hazlett: In your testimony, you mention success of 
market-oriented policies like spectrum auctions and overlays. What 
reforms do you believe are necessary to further accelerate U.S. 
leadership in wireless innovation?
    Answer.

  1.  More overlays. Take the 35 channels still dedicated to over-the-
        air (OTA) television, as per the TV Station Allocation Table of 
        1952. It's been a quarter century since OTA was a thing, as 
        cable and satellite TV had nationwide footprints already 
        supplying 90 percent of U.S. households. Today, of course, much 
        video traffic has further migrated--to the Internet. Now the 
        ``TV Spectrum Allocation'' is positively harming video delivery 
        in the U.S. by constraining networks--both incumbent and new 
        entrants--from delivering more wireless product to U.S. 
        households (in both urban and rural areas). Overlays would 
        allow entrants to get access to a large tranche of effectively 
        unused bandwidth and prove beneficial to consumers, media 
        competition, and U.S. economic growth. And incumbent TV 
        stations would not be harmed. With an overlay, the licensees 
        only make bargains that benefit them.

  2.  More FCC deregulation. Allow the licenses being sold by the 
        Commission to be technology-neutral and business model-neutral. 
        This requires a few changes, like eliminating build-out 
        requirements that block entrepreneurs from bidding on spectrum, 
        winning, and then supplying more ``plug and play'' services 
        analogized to ``unlicensed'' use. The build-out requirements 
        have themselves been ineffective and the better way to get 
        networks built is to provide a competitive space--with more 
        access to spectrum--that allows for innovation in business 
        models.

  3.  3rd party Audits for Government Spectrum assignments. Private or 
        public organizations should bid for the rights to audit 
        spectrum holdings of the DOJ, DOD, Forestry Service--all 
        organizations that face zero opportunity cost in holding on to 
        valuable resources. The difficulty in negotiating with such 
        parties is not that the officials in the agencies are wrong or 
        ill-informed, as sometimes charged. It is that they rationally 
        defend ``free options'' that may perform some valuable function 
        (now or in the future) and cost their agencies nothing. It is 
        predictable that such actors over-protect these assets in 
        pursuing the mission of their agency--they would virtually be 
        violating a public trust not to, given the circumstances in 
        which they operate. (Certainly this is the viewpoint of 
        constituencies within the agency.) The way out is to allow 
        motivated outsiders, perhaps firms with interest and subject 
        matter expertise, to evaluate the costs and benefits facing 
        such firms in making wireless trades. These might include 
        ceding some proportion of bandwidth assignments to other 
        parties in exchange for a new radio system, or a specific 
        funding request, or a change in rules that allows greater 
        efficiency in operations. Companies like, say, Haliburton, 
        might pay to conduct this (presumably CLASSIFIED) audit of the 
        DOD (as it could yield commercially valuable information in 
        forming proposals for transactions post-audit), or the GAO 
        (with expertise in audits) or GSA (expertise in managing 
        government assets) might be selected to evaluate Department of 
        Transportation use of spectrum. These are the sort of ideas 
        that spectrum policy experts do propose.--TWH
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    Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Brian Schatz to 
                           Dr. Thomas Hazlett
    Question. You have contended that commercial providers are often 
better positioned to deploy spectrum quickly and at scale.
    In your opinion, if Congress wants to ensure broadband expansion in 
Tribal areas, how would policies that encourage partnerships between 
private industry and Tribal governments-such as infrastructure 
investment incentives, spectrum-sharing agreements, or Federal funding 
for public-private partnerships-be more effective than direct Tribal 
spectrum allocation?
    Answer. The best short answer I can give to this provocative and 
interesting question is: allow Native Corporations in the Tribal areas 
flexibility in devising contracts for cooperation with wireless service 
providers.\1\ This should, of course, be nested in a productive, pro-
consumer business environment in which the Corporations have 
appropriate incentives to well serve their customer base, develop 
advanced services, and earn sufficient returns as to make the company 
effective in delivering services for decades to come. Selection of the 
Corporations might be by competitive bidding, either in money (a 
procurement auction) or in franchise bidding.\2\
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    \1\ Failure to do so has led to disappointing results, both for the 
Tribal population and the investors/owners of the firms. Jonathan 
Karpoff & Edward Rice, Structure and Performance of Alaska Native 
Corporations, Contemporary Economic Policy (July 1992).
    \2\ Harold Demsetz, Why Regulate Utilities? 11 Journal of Law & 
Economics (1968): 55-65.
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    Using service contracting models to supply public safety radio, an 
analogy to the idea of extending wireless networks in Tribal areas with 
contracts or awards of FCC licenses, is an experiment undertaken in the 
2017 award of the FirstNet contract to AT&T. The set-up has AT&T, a 
major commercial wireless network, service its large base of 
subscribers and then fold-in additional obligations to provide 
emergency radio service to first responders. The structure aims to 
achieve economies of scale, and standard efficiencies evolving in the 
commercial sector, while applying such beneficial developments to 
supply solutions to fire, policy, emergency medical services and other 
efforts of keen ``public interest'' importance. The challenges, 
successes, and failures of the FirstNet effort offer insights, I 
believe, for how other such initiatives--tackling important social 
problems via efficient marketplace platforms--might best proceed.--TWH
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    Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Tammy Baldwin to 
                           Dr. Thomas Hazlett
    Question. As an advocate for bringing Internet access to all 
Wisconsinites, I am a strong supporter of measures to bridge the 
digital divide and expand broadband access in rural and underserved 
communities. In the interest of boosting access and affordability for 
unconnected Americans, how do you see increases in commercial access to 
spectrum through the proposed sharing measures impacting ongoing 
efforts to increase rural network capacities?
    Answer. There is no doubt that making more radio spectrum available 
for productive use is a key in spreading and improving broadband 
coverage in the U.S. This is true in urban and rural areas, and with 
respect to both terrestrial and space-based delivery networks.
    The problem with resolving to expand spectrum availability through 
particular sharing mechanisms is that the rules chosen by regulators 
may not facilitate the task designed or hoped for. First, all spectrum 
rights models incorporate ``spectrum sharing.'' That is as true for the 
exclusively assigned, flexible-use rights purchased at FCC auction and 
intensely utilized by mobile carriers as it is for Wi-Fi, supporting 
localized networks distributing broadband data through a house or 
around a campus.
    Second, all such systems have strengths and weaknesses, and 
categorical claims that technology solves all coordination plans--in, 
e.g., ``bandwidth sharing''--has been a costly error. In one important 
instance, TV band white spaces, channels that have been unoccupied 
since the 1952 TV Allocation Table, were thought by the FCC to be 
perfect to host new unlicensed devices yielding valuable new services--
``Wi-Fi on steroids.'' That decision, initially launched in 2002, has 
proven virtually a complete failure. There is today no substantial 
``white space device'' use, and vast ``white spaces'' in the over-the-
air TV Band lie fallow. Overlay rights transferring these open spaces 
to exclusively-assigned, flexible-use licenses would have--and still 
could--generate billions of dollars in annual consumer welfare--by 
effectively introducing band-sharing mechanisms well developed 
elsewhere in the wireless marketplace.
    Hence, choosing the right set of rights for the task at hand should 
be informed by economics, history, and the experiences gained in 
previous endeavors.\3\--TWH
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    \3\ My book goes into some detail on the regulatory choice of 
spectrum rights in supporting wireless services: Thomas Hazlett, The 
Political Spectrum: The Tumultuous Liberation of Wireless Technologies, 
from Herbert Hoover to the Smartphone (Yale, 2017).
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ben Ray Lujan to 
                           Dr. Thomas Hazlett
    Question 1. Dr. Hazlett, I appreciate your testimony highlighting 
the need to optimize our processes for freeing up and assigning more 
spectrum. Spectrum is a limited natural resource, and if we want to 
fully address our economic needs while safeguarding our national 
security, we have to invest in innovation. This includes not only 
exclusive use but also shared and unlicensed spectrum, which are vital 
to technological development and economic growth.
    Do you think it is possible for the FCC to structure auctions in a 
way that incentivizes innovation and technological development, and do 
you believe that can be done in a way that still maximizes economic 
benefit & auction revenue?
    Answer. Thank you for inviting me to testify.
    YES--auctions for FCC licenses (adopted in 1993 by congressional 
legislation) are a positive innovation in public policy, but they can 
be improved. Specifically, they can reveal--discover--the relative 
values of what are commonly called ``licensed'' and ``unlicensed'' 
spectrum. Three things need to be reformed.
    First, the licenses offered for sale in auctions need to be 
technology-neutral and regime-neutral, such that they can be used as 
competitive market conditions suggest. (We are not far from this and 
the tweak is easily achievable.)
    Second, the winner (high bidder) for a particular license cannot be 
subject to ``build-out requirements'' of the type imposed today. This 
regulatory approach assumes that one type of usage will result from the 
license distribution--a business model wherein the licensee builds and 
manages a network. In fact, many call this is ``licensed use model.'' 
But it isn't. There are other ways to use licensed spectrum, and some 
of them look like the way ``unlicensed spectrum'' is utilized. In other 
words, a license winner may sponsor a ``spectrum park'' (or, as some 
might say, a ``commons'') that hosts access for radio users conforming 
to certain device standards. The build-out requirements make this model 
essential a violation of FCC regulations. (The regulations, by the way, 
do very little to encourage actual service build-out.)
    Third, the bidders participating in FCC auctions should have 
authority to create their own business models, not to be constrained to 
those imposed by the Commission. That is, a licensee who forms a 
consortium to buy more ``unlicensed'' bandwidth and pay for it by 
assessing license fees on the equipment used (perhaps manufactured by 
companies in the consortium) should not be impeded by FCC rules about 
what an ``unlicensed spectrum band'' must be, which would block the 
business case for the consortium. This more open, competitive way to 
develop innovative forms of organization was suggested in an important 
1992 FCC policy paper.\4\ It is time to give it a run.--TWH
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    \4\ Evan Kwerel and John Williams, A Proposal for a Rapid 
Transition to Market Allocation of Spectrum, OSP Working Paper 38 (Nov 
2002).

    Question 2. Do you believe it makes sense for spectrum auction 
revenues to be reinvested in priorities like innovation?
    Answer. In general, I do not favor such dedications. Outlays should 
be considered on their merits, against all other outlays (by the 
Federal government). The one exception is where the dedicated 
expenditures are useful in creating the transactions generating the 
gains in question. Using auction revenues to compensate firms, as in 
FCC Auction 107 (2020-2021), where satellite carriers were paid to 
update their equipment, making more bandwidth available for other 
parties; and in the 2016-2017 ``incentive auction,'' paying TV station 
licensees to give up broadcasting rights) or government agencies (as in 
FCC Auction 66).
    Innovation is encouraged in two other ways. By conditions hosting 
robust entrepreneurial activity, and by support for basic research with 
organizations like NSF and NIH.--TWH
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     Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. John Thune to 
                           Dr. Charles Baylis
    Question 1. I have long been an advocate for increasing access to 
both licensed and unlicensed spectrum. What are some of the notable 
innovations in the unlicensed spectrum space, and how have unlicensed 
technologies, such as Wi-Fi, benefitted our economy?
    Answer. Wi-Fi and other unlicensed technologies, such as Bluetooth 
and Ultra Wideband, have been great innovations. Wi-Fi sharing was 
developed in part of the 5 GHz band, as well as eventually in the 6 GHz 
band. In the 6 GHz band, Wi-Fi was shared with incumbent point-to-point 
microwave links. Sharing was coordinated using an Automated Frequency 
Coordination (AFC) System.
    The AFC used many lessons learned from the Spectrum Access System 
(SAS) that coordinated spectrum use in the Citizens Broadband Radio 
Service (CBRS) band.
    Unlicensed spectrum usage has been a significant benefit to the 
economy. Unlicensed bands have allowed devices to use and share a band 
effectively on an as-needed basis. There are numerous unlicensed users 
that share small ranges of frequencies, and now are able to share even 
other frequencies (such as 6 GHz) with incumbent users. This seems to 
allow for expansion of Wi-Fi unlicensed applications.

    Question 2. National security and wireless innovation are not 
mutually exclusive. Please detail how the technology you are advancing 
at Baylor University's SMART Hub will ensure spectrum policy remains a 
``win-win'' for both the defense industry and the economy at large.
    Answer. The adaptive and reconfigurable technology we are 
developing at SMART Hub is heavily focused toward DoD incumbent systems 
in the 3 GHz band. As such, this will allow DoD systems to adapt to the 
surrounding environment given our prescribed approach, examined in part 
by research preceding SMART Hub, includes the ability to sense and even 
predict locations and frequencies of other users. If a system can 
locate bands in which it can operate, it can then reconfigure its 
circuits and systems to, for example, maximize radar range after 
changing frequency. This allows the DoD systems to function with 
maximum performance and be flexible in frequency and spatial 
operations.
    Many of the same concepts we are working on that are applicable to 
DoD systems are also applicable to commercial wireless systems. As 
such, when systems can work around one another adaptively, they use the 
spectrum more efficiently. It is through an adaptive and reconfigurable 
technology approach that we can do more with less, and accomplish a 
``win-win'' for both defense and commercial wireless users.
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     Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Todd Young to 
                           Dr. Charles Baylis
    Question 1. Dr. Baylis: In your testimony, you highlight the 
potential benefits and exciting new opportunities that technological 
innovation can unlock in the realm of spectrum management.
    From your perspective as a researcher and technical expert, how can 
AI help transform our management and use of spectrum?
    Answer. Artificial intelligence (AI) can be used in several ways 
within a spectrum-use ecosystem. First, it can predict spectrum and 
spatial use of a wireless system. The ability to predict how other 
spectrum users perform, and evaluate different predictive methods to 
choose the correct one, is an area that SMART Hub members Professor 
Robert Marks from Baylor University and Professor Mike Buehrer from 
Virginia Tech have worked on.
    Secondly, AI and Machine Learning (ML) can be used to reconfigure 
systems and circuits. In optimizing an array of reconfigurable 
circuits, AI may be useful in cutting through the multiple dimensions 
of optimization to select a ``best'' setting for range, efficiency, 
spectral performance, and/or spatial performance, for example. An 
adaptive and reconfigurable environment must be based on automation, 
and AI and ML can play a significant role in making these optimizations 
efficient.
    The present thrust toward AI technologies and the need to better 
optimize spectrum use and spectrum use systems are coming together at a 
very useful time. As a national center committed to solving the 
spectrum crisis, we are working to marshal AI in addressing these 
issues.

    Question 1a. What are some of the risks or challenges policymakers 
should consider?
    Answer. Policy should be developed in parallel with and 
complementary to supporting technology. One danger that should be 
avoided is where policy outruns technology. Technological limitations, 
such as propagation challenges and antenna size, must be considered in 
band allocations; allocations must be reasonable given these 
limitations. Given this, however, advancements in technology can be 
enablers for new, advanced policy approaches.
    Regulating a small amount of available spectrum will not provide a 
long-term solution to the problem we are facing currently in the 
midband spectrum. Innovative adaptive and reconfigurable technology 
will allow flexibility in wireless communications and radar systems 
that will support new policy.

    Question 2. Dr. Baylis: In your testimony, you also mention the 
importance of the United States winning the spectrum superiority race. 
Can you elaborate on this point? What is needed by Congress to ensure 
continued leadership on spectrum technology?
    Answer. Spectrum superiority requires having the best technology: 
technology that can flexibly use the spectrum. The ability to flexibly 
use the spectrum allows our radar and communication systems to gain a 
tactical advantage in wartime: we can avoid the enemy's jamming 
maneuvers by finding open spectrum and using it. Additionally, in 
peacetime, being agile allows us to use the spectrum more efficiently. 
We can reconfigure both radar and communication systems to use 
available spectrum opportunistically, rather than being confined to a 
single band.
    Adaptive and reconfigurable spectrum use is the new paradigm that 
is on the way. The nation that builds the technology for this paradigm 
will be able to sell it to the world. America needs to be the Nation 
that builds this technology first. If America is the first to build it, 
we will benefit both economically and (for wartime) tactically. If 
China wins this race, we will be buying systems from China to build the 
6G backbone that may be compromised from a security perspective. We 
also will no longer have an edge in wartime.
    Congress should prioritize funding for research and development in 
spectrum technologies to ensure America builds the backbone technology 
for the adaptive and reconfigurable spectrum use of the future. 
Congress should supervise the results of this funding, ensuring that 
this funding does not merely create innovations that die in a 
laboratory, but instead move from academia, through industry, and into 
the hands of warfighters and consumers. Innovation that has happened at 
the fundamental level must move to the applied level and then into 
industry production. The development of this type of pipeline for these 
technologies must involve universities and industry (both commercial 
wireless and defense contractors).
    An example of this type of model is SMART Hub, which was initially 
funded by Congress and consists of 15 universities with 25 U.S. 
citizen, multidisciplinary spectrum researchers across the country, 
spanning 13 states. SMART Hub is also building industry partnerships 
that can move technology into the hands of the warfighters and 
consumers, but it will need additional funds to continue to continue 
this important work. Congress should appropriate additional funding for 
these types of activities, as well as consider legislation to authorize 
additional funding for spectrum technology university-industry 
partnerships.
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      Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ted Budd to 
                           Dr. Charles Baylis
    Question 1. Can we get to a point where full-power spectrum use can 
be efficiently shared in a way that allows wireless buildout without 
excessive negative impacts to national security systems? If so, how far 
away are we?
    Answer. It is possible to get to a point where full-power spectrum 
use can be efficiently shared without excessive impacts to national 
security systems. New technology would enable this type of sharing. 
Adaptive and reconfigurable technology is a ``game changer''. It would 
render the current arguments about ``auction versus defense'' moot. 
Spectrum surveys show that very little of the spectrum is being 
simultaneously used in a given geographic region. Yet, problems exist 
because present incumbent military systems are significantly rigid, 
and, as such, demand to always have the same part of the spectrum 
available for their use.
    Some of the key developments that will be required to get to this 
point include: (1) spectrum sensing and/or prediction capabilities to 
be aware of other users' spectrum usages; (2) spectrum coordination 
mechanisms for congested bands; (3) reconfigurable circuits, antennas, 
and arrays (including reconfigurable circuits capable of handling high 
power levels for radar) that enable increased spectral and spatial 
flexibility and control of wireless transmissions; and (4) the ability 
to measure device performance in-situ (on board the device) to assess 
transmissions to inform reconfiguration algorithms. The good news is 
that many of these developments are already at the Technology Readiness 
Levels TRL-2 through TRL-4 and are ready to be carried forward to 
industry for the buildout of new radar and/or communications systems. 
Spectrum sensing and prediction has been effectively demonstrated 
through sense-react-and-avoid and sense-predict-and-avoid methods. We 
have been able to demonstrate how future Dynamic Spectrum Management 
Systems (DSMS) can build upon the existing CBRS approach while allowing 
for incumbents to provide real-time interference reports, enabling a 
more responsive, closed-loop coordination of the spectrum. In terms of 
reconfigurable circuits, a high-power reconfigurable circuit, capable 
of handling 20-68 W that can reconfigure from 2-4 GHz in less than a 
millisecond provides an entire 2 GHz of reconfiguration capability. 
This breakthrough means that radars could, using this circuit, optimize 
their transmission range, within matching limitations of the circuit, 
anywhere between 2-4 GHz within a millisecond after changing 
frequencies. If a radar has the ability to move this widely in 
frequency, then coexisting with communication systems becomes a much 
less complex problem. Finally, we have demonstrated an in-situ 
measurement approach to assess signals entering an antenna as part of 
the reconfigurable circuit chain.
    These technologies must now be taken from their current innovation 
level into actual system implementation. This will not only allow 
radars to more flexibly use their own bands, but provide them with 
opportunistic access to bands outside their current assignments. The 
range of frequencies that will be able to be flexibly used will 
increase drastically. If we are successful, China will have to buy this 
technology from us, and we will have the advantage on the battlefield 
and in the ability to coexist in our homeland. Yet, it will take 
foresight and investment from Congress. Continuing to regulate and re-
regulate current frequency usages with present legacy systems without 
this newly updated technology will only yield temporary gains, and our 
foreign competitors will build this technology before we do. We need to 
build it first to give ourselves the best defense systems and to expand 
commercial access to frequencies. We should strive to win this race, 
sell this technology worldwide, and build the backbone of 6G and the 
world's strongest military wireless technology.

    Question 2. What lessons can we learn from CBRS in opening up 
spectrum to commercial use in congested bands?
    Answer. The Citizens Broadband Radio Service (CBRS) sharing with 
Navy radars in the 3.55--3.7 GHz band has provided useful lessons. One 
significant lesson is that bands whose primary users are in limited 
geographical regions can often have a second use. Because Navy radars 
are not usually found inland, it is advantageous to allow communication 
device access to these frequencies when away from the coastlines. 
Additionally, the ability to design a third-party system, known as a 
Spectrum Access System (SAS) in the CBRS case, to coordinate spectrum 
usage has now been successfully demonstrated.
    This lesson should be applied with limitations. First, if 
geographic limitations of a band-user are known, it makes sense to 
allow the same band to be used outside of these geographic limitations 
by another user. Second, third-party coordination can be an effective 
use to ensure spectrum coexistence, provided its time-frame is fast 
enough to ensure spectrum to a primary user when needed.
    Ideally, the time-scale of spectrum brokering should strive for 
improvement over CBRS. It would be ideal for such spectrum assignments 
to approach real-time. However, spectrum assignments should be based on 
accurate understanding of positions, propagation models, and potential 
victims of interference.
    Caution should be used in applying the CBRS model to other 
scenarios. The CBRS model, with current wireless systems, works well 
when geographic separation of systems needing to use the band is 
present. Additionally, the Dynamic Spectrum Management System (DSMS) 
needs to be fast enough to parcel spectrum at the needed time-scales 
(and with appropriate security) for the primary user to gain access 
when needed.
    Another lesson learned from CBRS is that if spectrum sharing is 
adopted, the technical parameters that govern the sharing, such as the 
propagation model, should not be based solely on worst-case 
assumptions. This can result in inefficient spectrum use. In the case 
of CBRS, after four years of operations, the propagation models were 
successfully refined, allowing better use of the spectrum while not 
interfering with critical DoD systems in the band.
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   Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Maria Cantwell to 
                           Dr. Charles Baylis
    Question. How do we advance commercial spectrum while respecting 
mission-critical Federal users and national security?
    Answer. Spectrum bands are overcrowded, and reallocation of 
spectrum bands will eventually meet its limit. We need a paradigm shift 
in how spectrum is used. Currently, spectrum allocations may be drawn 
with very broad strokes to ensure spectrum is available in certain 
bands and regions in case it is needed. However, this leads to large 
portions of the spectrum being reserved but underutilized. The adaptive 
and reconfigurable use of the spectrum will allow more spectrum to be 
available to more users when they need it by allowing allocations to be 
specified more precisely in time, frequency, and location.
    The key to unlocking this spectrum availability is the innovation 
and development of adaptive and reconfigurable technology. For example, 
researchers now part of SMART Hub have developed reconfigurable 
circuits that can handle higher power levels (toward the power levels 
needed for radar operation) to optimize their detection range, within 
the limitations of the impedance matching coverage, after changing 
frequencies in a 2-4 GHz octave. If radar systems operating in the 3.1-
3.45 GHz band could move to another band and optimize their performance 
within a millisecond, this would make more and more frequencies 
available to wireless communication. The inflexibility of current radar 
system technology limits the growth of wireless communication 
infrastructure, and it also limits the tactical advantage of our 
military.
    However, with additional investments in innovating, developing, and 
producing this technology, the financial benefit will dwarf the current 
argued amounts.
    The approach of developing adaptive and reconfigurable technology 
transcends the present arguments about spectrum allocations. If systems 
are flexible, they can use whatever band is available, reducing the 
amount of spectrum that must be held in reserve on a ``just-in-case'' 
basis. The capability of both DoD systems and commercial wireless 
systems to use available bands would give the U.S. a technological 
advantage in battle, as well as the ability to form a new spectrum-
coexistence model that will enormously benefit the American economy. 
Immediate, sustained focus and investment in innovation and the 
development of adaptive and reconfigurable technology will reap 
enormous economic and national security benefits.
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ben Ray Lujan to 
                           Dr. Charles Baylis
    Question 1. Dr. Baylis, can you elaborate on SMART Hub's current 
sources of funding?
    Answer. SMART Hub was initially funded by a $5 million 
appropriation in the FY 2023 budget. Our 6-month research demonstration 
in February 2024 in Arlington, Virginia showed Pentagon, Congressional, 
and industry spectrum leaders how adaptive and reconfigurable 
technology is being developed to assist warfighters and to promote the 
economic benefits of adaptive and reconfigurable technologies for 
spectrum usage. We are in near-term need of additional funding to allow 
SMART Hub's innovation to continue.
    The SMART Hub leadership team considers Congressional funding as 
``anchor'' funding and has launched an ecosystem by which other funding 
sources will eventually grow to sustain SMART Hub. For example, the 
National Science Foundation funded a grant of over $340,000 for 
spectrum workforce development through an Undergraduate Spectrum 
Workshop known as the ``Spectrum Sizzle''. Four SMART Hub universities 
will host this immersive, residential, four-day, hands-on experience 
for undergraduates from across the country in Summer 2025, and we 
expect 160 undergraduate students to be trained in fundamental spectrum 
technology and policy principles this summer. With our team working 
together and demonstrating results from our work, we have submitted 
additional proposals since our first round of anchor funding arrived, 
and we are in the process of establishing industry partnerships that 
will further grow the ecosystem through technology transfer and 
industry sponsored research. We have begun the process of building 
partnerships with both DoD contractors and wireless network providers, 
with the goal of continued industry investment in our innovations that 
will result in technologies placed in the hands of American warfighters 
and consumers. This ecosystem is designed to thrive on its own after 
several years of Congressional investment.

    Question 2. Is it important to your work that Congress pass a full 
FY25 funding package?
    Answer. We currently have funding pending in the FY 2025 DoD 
appropriations bill to continue investments in SMART Hub. If Congress 
does not pass a full FY 2025 funding package that includes this pending 
funding in it, SMART Hub may have to make difficult decisions about its 
operations in the future. It is crucial to our development of adaptive 
and reconfigurable technology that Congress pass a full-year funding 
package with funding for our work included in it. We encourage Congress 
to act soon to continue to invest in adaptive and reconfigurable 
technologies, building American leadership in this area.
    Unfortunately, a Continuing Resolution is not helpful to SMART 
Hub's operations, given we are looking for new funding to carry on 
SMART Hub innovation. Should Congress decide to move forward with a 
year-long CR, we encourage appropriators to include an explicit 
provision for SMART Hub funding.

    Question 3. Should the government continue to play a role in 
developing innovative technologies to solve both commercial and defense 
spectrum challenges?
    Answer. The innovation of adaptive and reconfigurable technology is 
the key to U.S. global leadership in spectrum. Arguments about 
allocation and re-allocation do not provide a long-term economic or 
national security solution. It is imperative that the U.S. solve the 
spectrum crisis by developing innovative technology that transcends 
these arguments by using the spectrum differently: adaptively and 
flexibly. If the U.S. possesses this capability, then more bandwidth 
will be available to meet the needs of commercial wireless providers as 
well as national security systems, such as radar. The investment by 
Congress in American innovation will spur jobs, science, and 
technology, as well as create national leadership in spectrum. 
Importantly, U.S. industries will be able to sell this new technology 
worldwide, which will build the backbone of 6G, and its commercial 
wireless industry, defense industry, and technology suppliers will 
thrive.
    If Congress sees this potential and invests in it now, the 
dividends reaped down the road for American industry will far outweigh 
the cost of present investment.

    Question 4. Do you believe it makes sense for spectrum auction 
revenues to be reinvested in priorities like innovation?
    Answer. Yes. If spectrum is auctioned, revenues should be heavily 
invested in innovation. Innovation is what will allow America to be the 
best: in commercial wireless and in national security. The benefits of 
innovating new systems that can share the spectrum in an adaptive and 
reconfigurable way will far outweigh the costs of this investment.
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     Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. John Thune to 
                             Matthew Pearl
    Question 1. There have been concerns about expanding commercial 
access to spectrum and its implications for our national security and 
defense capabilities.
    Can you clarify the National Telecommunications and Information 
Administration's role in administering spectrum? Specifically, when a 
conflict arises between wireless and defense use of spectrum, how do 
agencies coordinate to resolve the issue and ensure that U.S. national 
security is not compromised?
    Answer. NTIA plays an indispensable and underappreciated role in 
resolving disputes over conflicts regarding interference between 
commercial and government users, including DOD users. NTIA is 
responsible for managing the radio spectrum that is used by the Federal 
government, and it also serves as the President's principal advisor on 
telecommunications issues. When there are new proposed commercial or 
Federal uses that could potentially cause interference between the 
Federal or commercial users (respectively), the FCC and NTIA coordinate 
before any new access is granted. In the case of an FCC proposed action 
that is coordinated with NTIA, the draft proposed action is shared by 
NTIA with the relevant Federal agencies for comment. NTIA then compiles 
those comments and, assuming any agency concerns have a technical 
basis, they work with the FCC to resolve the disagreements. As part of 
the process, NTIA and the FCC convene meetings, including with the 
agencies who have expressed concerns, to work through any technical 
issues.
    In most cases, NTIA and the FCC resolve such conflicts using the 
mechanisms described above. In some cases, however, disagreements 
remain over whether there will be interference to commercial or Federal 
systems from a proposed action. Historically, in those cases, the White 
House--led by the National Security Council, with the participation of 
other components such as the National Economic Council and the Office 
of Science and Technology--convenes a formal interagency process to 
resolve those disputes. FCC, NTIA, and agencies who have equities in 
the relevant spectrum band are all included in this interagency 
process. At every level (beginning at lower levels), there is an effort 
by the White House to resolve as many disagreements as possible, and 
then--if necessary--to escalate any remaining differences to a higher 
level. This process reduces, clarifies, and refines the issues that 
must be resolved at the higher political levels, ensuring that 
principals' (and, in some cases, the President's) efforts are spent on 
the key issues and that the best information is provided before a 
decision is made.

    Question 2. As the Federal Communications Commission looks to 
expand access to additional licensed spectrum, would you expect the 
same coordination to continue across agencies to ensure national 
security is not compromised in the future?
    Answer. Yes. The current MOU between the FCC and NTIA remains in 
effect, and the White House continues to have the ability to use the 
interagency process to resolve disagreements and disputes. If these 
processes are diligently followed by the White House, FCC, NTIA, and 
the agencies, they provide a highly effective mechanism for ensuring 
that actions that are taken on spectrum do not compromise national 
security. Ensuring that the right decisions are made requires high-
level White House leadership, so that all the agencies involved 
understand that they are required to share information, work through 
technical issues in good faith, and abide by decisions that are made by 
the White House.

    Question 3. I have long been an advocate for increasing access to 
both licensed and unlicensed spectrum. What are some of the notable 
innovations in the unlicensed spectrum space, and how have unlicensed 
technologies, such as Wi-Fi, benefitted our economy?
    Answer. The United States was the first country to adopt unlicensed 
rules, beginning in the 1930s, and these rules have been a tremendous 
benefit to the American economy because they allow anyone to experiment 
and use the spectrum without obtaining permission from the government, 
provided that the equipment they use cannot cause harmful interference 
to licensed users.
    We first saw the benefits of unlicensed rules to the American 
economy in the 1970s, when bands in which unlicensed use was authorized 
began to be used in everyday consumer applications such as baby 
monitors and garage door openers. While these devices wouldn't normally 
come to mind as examples of disruption innovation, a significant number 
of U.S. companies sprung up to produce the equipment used for these 
purposes, and the devices they old offered practical solutions that 
benefitted millions of Americans.
    Even more importantly, in the 1990s, innovators developed Wi-Fi and 
Bluetooth. By leveraging the permissionless innovation of unlicensed 
spectrum, the developers of those technologies have greatly increased 
our connectivity, and contribute nearly $100 billion per year to the 
U.S. economy.
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     Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Todd Young to 
                             Matthew Pearl
    Question 1. Mr. Pearl: During the previous administration, progress 
on strengthening our spectrum leadership slowed, with few actionable 
steps taken. While my colleagues have worked tirelessly to advance 
meaningful spectrum legislation, much remains to be done and we are 
eager to see it done under the current administration.
    If we were to implement an ambitious spectrum policy, how quickly 
would we see tangible benefits?
    Answer. If Congress reauthorizes the FCC to hold auctions and sets 
ambitious goals and timelines for making spectrum available, we could 
see auctions within one to two years, thus generating billions of 
dollars for the American taxpayer, and we could see tangible benefits 
to the American consumer within months of those auctions, as licensees 
would begin to deploy spectrum in some areas. There are a variety of 
bands where some of the spectrum could be made available. While it will 
take some time for FCC, NTIA, and relevant agencies to do technical 
analyses regarding which of these bands (and, in some cases, which 
parts of these bands) to make available, and the conditions under which 
they do so, it is possible to make progress quickly so that Americans 
do not need to wait to be able to use these frequencies.

    Question 1a. What would those benefits look like for the American 
people?
    Answer. The benefits to the American people would include greater 
ability to use their mobile devices regardless of the location they are 
in, and the ability to transmit more data than they can today. By 
enabling those more data-intensive uses, innovators will be able to 
develop new applications that benefit consumers in two ways: 1) they 
will benefit from the capabilities that those apps offer, and 2) they 
will also benefit from the economic gains that accrue to the American 
economy, including the jobs created and the increased value of the U.S. 
stock market, from those new apps. Further, this new spectrum will 
enable businesses, universities, and other organizations to build 
better private networks, enabling those businesses to benefit from the 
capabilities that such networks offer, including increased security and 
reliability. Additionally, those private networks will enable those 
organizations to be more efficient, thus increasing their economic 
efficiency and enabling them to pass on economic gains to their 
employees and shareholders.
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      Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Ted Budd to 
                             Matthew Pearl
    Question. Why are power levels important as we consider making new 
investments of spectrum in mobile wireless connectivity?
    Answer. Power levels are a critical aspect of spectrum policy. High 
power levels are necessary to enable wireless carriers to provide wide-
area coverage, and to enable them to penetrate walls, foliage, and 
other objects. Higher power levels thus enable networks to reach 
consumers in a variety of places--which is a significant benefit in our 
highly mobile society. The ability to penetrate walls is particularly 
critical because we spend roughly 90 percent of our time indoors, and 
when we are not at home or work (where we often use WiFi), we still 
need to be able use those devices indoors. Thus, to build networks that 
satisfy the needs of their customers, carriers need spectrum with high 
power levels. Unless the spectrum that carriers obtain is useful to 
their customers in all the places they move during the day, it does not 
make sense for carriers to spend billions of dollars investing in their 
networks.
    Providing access to spectrum at lower power levels for unlicensed 
use is also important, particularly for enabling indoor use of 
spectrum. When we are at home or in the office, we frequently rely on 
low-power uses of spectrum, such as WiFi. I should note, however, that 
low-power use complements high-power use, rather than serving as 
substitute for it, and vice versa.
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Maria Cantwell to 
                             Matthew Pearl
    Question 1. Relocation Risks are Real. Mr. Pearl, you worked at the 
National Security Council and with the Department of Defense and other 
Federal agencies. And from that perch, you've seen firsthand the 
complexities and interplay between commercial and Federal users of 
spectrum and know how important it is to get coordination done and done 
right.
    Do you believe that without a smart, evidence-based, well-
coordinated spectrum policy we could put critical national security 
capabilities at risk?
    Answer. The United States has essential national security 
capabilities in some of the bands that we are currently examining for 
commercial use. For example, DOD uses lower 3 GHz for high-power radars 
that play an essential role in protecting our homeland. Therefore, I 
agree it is absolutely critical that the Administration and the FCC 
have the right process in place, including ``smart, evidence-based, 
well-coordinated'' spectrum policy, so that as they make decisions that 
enable new commercial use, they do not jeopardize national security.
    At the same time, to enable the Federal Government to create new 
opportunities for commercial use (which are urgently needed to compete 
with the PRC in the economic domain), Congress should set clear, 
ambitious goals to offer an impetus for the Federal Government to make 
spectrum available for commercial use, while building in flexibility 
that enables the United States to fully accommodate national security 
uses. Providing such an impetus is important to ensuring agencies that 
use spectrum understand they must cooperate in good faith and find ways 
to make spectrum available without harming their operations, rather 
than preserving spectrum in cases where they have no current or 
anticipated use for it. By providing flexibility, such as allowing the 
FCC and the Executive Branch to satisfy the requirements of any 
clearing targets by making the spectrum available for either exclusive 
use or shared use, Congress can ensure that--before an FCC auction 
takes place--the Executive Branch has determined how to preserve 
critical national security uses in bands when relocation proves to be 
infeasible.

    Question 2. Do you think it's wise to auction Federal spectrum, 
before technical studies are finished, to determine the viability of 
relocating Federal systems? And have you seen this result in the public 
being put at risk?
    Answer. I do not believe it is prudent to auction spectrum before 
technical work has been done regarding the conditions under which it 
will be made available. I should note, however, that all the major 
bills that are currently under active consideration (of which I am 
aware) do not propose to hold auctions before the FCC, NTIA, and the 
agencies do such analyses. For instance, some proposed bills set 
clearing targets for making spectrum available across a broad range of 
spectrum--which includes bands that are used for exclusive Federal use, 
bands that are used for exclusive non-Federal use, and bands that are 
shared by Federal and non-federal users--and they allow for the 
possibility that Federal uses will still have access to bands (on a 
shared basis with new commercial use). Following the passage of a bill, 
the interagency process and associated technical work would take place 
to establish the conditions under which spectrum may be made available, 
including ensuring--before any auction takes place--that commercial use 
will not jeopardize national security.

    Question 3. Spectrum Warfare. We are seeing spectrum's importance 
on the battlefield, the Russians are jamming Ukrainian drones, 
communications, and satellite services. We also know that China is a 
real threat to U.S. innovation and national security.
    Could auctioning Federal spectrum put critical DoD capabilities at 
risk and potentially disadvantage the United States in a conflict with 
our adversaries?
    Answer. If the FCC were to auction spectrum without collaborating 
with NTIA and following the interagency process, it would potentially 
put DOD capabilities at risk and potentially disadvantage the United 
States in a conflict. If the FCC, NTIA, and the agencies 
conscientiously abide by the FCC-NTIA MOU and the interagency process, 
and there is White House leadership on spectrum issues, I am confident 
that we can make additional spectrum available for commercial use 
without compromising any DOD capabilities or ceding an EW advantage to 
our adversaries.

    Question 4. How might this affect our deterrence capabilities? And 
are there any examples you are aware of where this has happened, and if 
so, can you share them?
    Answer. I am unaware of any examples where auctioning spectrum put 
critical DoD capabilities at risk. It is possible that poor decisions 
about auctioning spectrum could affect our deterrence capabilities; for 
instance, if we undermined the effectiveness of EW capabilities by 
providing insufficient spectrum for testing and training at DOD bases, 
then we may be unable to deter efforts by our adversaries to jam, 
spoof, or employ other malicious methods to undermine the United States 
military's spectrum-based operations outside of the United States.

    Question 5. Interagency Cooperation. We can avoid the mismanagement 
of the past by creating a coordinated approach to domestic spectrum 
policy, where agencies with critical missions such as the FAA and DoD 
work together with NTIA and FCC--cooperatively--on spectrum.
    Have you witnessed instances where poor government coordination led 
to decisions that unknowingly compromised our national security?
    Answer. In the 15 years I spent working on spectrum policy, I did 
not witness any instances in which poor coordination of domestic 
spectrum policy compromised national security missions. In the case of 
C-band (3.7-3.98 GHz), a lack of coordination involving the FAA led to 
a public controversy over whether the FCC's actions to authorize 
commercial use would interfere with radio altimeters, which are used on 
both civilian and military aircraft. In that case, however, prior to 
deployment of any 5G operations in the spectrum, there was extensive 
coordination between FCC, NTIA, DOT/FAA, and the mobile industry, and 
issues of potential interference were addressed to the satisfaction of 
the agencies. Thus, while this case involved a potential compromise to 
national security, the interagency process was successful in preventing 
an actual instance of compromising national security.
    There were also claims made that the FCC's grant of authority to 
Ligado near GPS frequencies in 2020 could jeopardize national security, 
given that both the commercial sector and the military rely on GPS to 
obtain position, time, and navigation. I was not involved in working on 
those decisions during my government service. According to reports, 
however, Ligado never launched in that spectrum, so this decision did 
not jeopardize national security.

    Question 6. Did those decisions put Federal systems and the public 
at large at risk?
    Answer. I have not witnessed instances in which decisions actually 
compromised national security.

    Question 7. What specific interagency coordination mechanisms would 
you recommend to prevent similar risks in the future?
    Answer. First, it would be helpful to have a continuing, robust 
role for the Interdepartmental Radio Advisory Group (IRAC) and 
Interagency Spectrum Advisory Council (Council). The IRAC is essential 
in enabling agencies to advise NTIA as it develops policy, particularly 
on technical issues. The Council offers an interagency forum for high-
level officials from agencies to resolve any spectrum policy issues 
that cannot be resolved at the working level. Further, for 
disagreements and disputes that cannot be resolved by the IRAC or the 
Council, it is essential for the White House--led by the National 
Security Council--to use the interagency process to ensure the right 
decisions are made to prevent risks to government missions, including 
national security missions.
    At the same time, I would recommend that we remain open to 
incorporating new mechanisms, particularly if such mechanisms enhance 
White House leadership on spectrum, to ensure robust, effective 
coordination of spectrum policy decisions. While we should not replace 
any of the mechanisms above without thoughtful deliberation, there is 
always room for new approaches to ensure that effective spectrum 
coordination takes place.

    Question 8. How do we advance commercial spectrum while respecting 
mission-critical Federal users and national security?
    Answer. Based on most of the instances in which we have 
successfully made commercial spectrum available without jeopardizing 
Federal uses of spectrum, we need to take several actions:

   Congress should establish ambitious clearing targets, so 
        that the Executive Branch has guidance on making spectrum 
        available and agencies know that they must cooperate and share 
        information in order for the legislation to be implemented 
        within the timeline set by Congress.

   The heads of the FCC, NTIA, and the agencies should 
        regularly meet and establish good-faith, transparent, and 
        cooperative relationships so that they are able to avoid 
        disagreements and disputes when possible.

   The heads of these agencies should also empower their 
        engineers to work closely with engineers from other agencies so 
        that they can solve technical problems.

   NTIA should play the role of an ``honest broker'' when 
        agencies and the FCC have differing views, and should use its 
        technical expertise to solve engineering challenges.

   The White House should provide robust leadership, including 
        by instituting an interagency process to resolve disagreements 
        and disputes.
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    Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Edward Markey to 
                             Matthew Pearl
    Question. Should the Federal Communications Commission consider the 
national security implications of our existing GPS system in making 
spectrum allocation decisions?
    Answer. Yes. GPS is used both by our military and the civilian 
sectors, including for national security operations. In making spectrum 
allocation decisions, the FCC should consider whether such decisions 
could interfere with GPS. At the same time, because GPS is extremely 
susceptible to malicious signals such as jamming and spoofing, it is 
critical that we develop a comprehensive ``system of systems'' for 
information on position, navigation, and time. Such a system could be 
used to back up and supplement GPS, and therefore reduce risks of 
interference. It could enhance the accuracy and reliability of 
position, navigation, and timing for both Federal and commercial users. 
Finally, I would note that quantum sensing may provide an alternative 
to GPS that is far more accurate and not susceptible to interference, 
though unlike other technologies to make GPS more accurate and 
resilient, it is challenging to predict precisely when quantum sensing 
will be ready for commercialization.
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ben Ray Lujan to 
                             Matthew Pearl
    Question 1. Is it important that we complete thorough studies on 
spectrum bands before the FCC moves forward with auctions?
    Answer. I do not believe it is prudent to auction spectrum before 
solid technical work has been done regarding the conditions under which 
it will be made available. All the major bills that I am aware of under 
active consideration, however, do not require auctions before the FCC, 
NTIA, and the agencies to do such analyses. If a bill sets clearing 
targets for making spectrum available under a reasonable time-frame and 
allows flexibility for preserving Federal use in auctioned bands when 
necessary, such as by allowing shared use, then the FCC and the 
Executive Branch will be able to complete studies and ensure that 
Federal capabilities are preserved prior to any auction.

    Question 2. Is it important that the relevant Federal agencies are 
coordinating and sharing information with each other regarding spectrum 
management?
    Answer. Yes. It is critical that Federal agencies that use spectrum 
provide fulsome information regarding their use, plans, and analyses 
regarding co-existence issues with NTIA and the FCC. Some of our 
coordination challenges in the past, such as the conflict between the 
FCC and NOAA over 24 GHz, arose from an unwillingness to share the 
assumptions that went into agencies studies with the FCC and NTIA. This 
delays spectrum decisions and makes it difficult to get the Federal 
Government to adopt a ``whole-of-government'' view regarding how to 
proceed on specific spectrum decisions.

    Question 3. Should industry and government partners be investing in 
developing innovative technology to solve spectrum challenges of today 
and prepare for new challenges down the line?
    Answer. Yes. Both industry and the government have a vital role in 
developing innovative technology. First, government needs to make 
early-stage investments in R&D that would be too risky for industry, so 
that the United States is the first to develop new spectrum-based 
capabilities. Such investments should occur in close cooperation with 
the private sector. This will enable industry to invest in implementing 
those innovations in their networks and products when they are ready 
for commercialization. Further, it is important for the private sector 
to invest in R&D, given that they are sometimes able to identify 
opportunities to innovate in spectrum use, and close coordination with 
the Federal Government will ensure that there is complimentary rather 
than duplicative spending on R&D.

    Question 4. Should this administration continue the last 
administration's work in the National Spectrum Strategy to increase 
transparency around Federal spectrum usage?
    Answer. Yes, efforts to increase transparency around Federal 
spectrum usage will help to ensure the Federal Government adopts the 
right spectrum policy. It is critical that, for unclassified government 
uses of spectrum, that those efforts capture not only when the spectrum 
is used for, but also the precise times, places, and technical details 
of such use. To capture that information, it is important for NTIA and 
the agencies to leverage advanced sensing technologies, which can 
accurately capture all the details of spectrum use.

    Question 5. In spectrum reauthorization legislation, should 
Congress consider setting a dispute resolution process in statute 
similar to what was included in the National Spectrum Strategy under 
the prior administration?
    Answer. I agree that it would be helpful to the Executive Branch 
and the FCC to codify long-standing procedures around dispute 
resolution. I should note that many of those procedures did not begin 
with the National Spectrum Strategy, but rather were captured and 
formally adopted in the Strategy. Having Congress codify those 
procedures will help to ensure that the dispute-resolution process is 
consistently used when proposed spectrum actions are being considered 
by the FCC, NTIA, or the agencies that use spectrum. While I agree that 
codification of procedures is a helpful step for Congress to take, it 
is also necessary for the White House to have high-level commitment to 
following those procedures, so that they are effectively implemented.

    Question 6. Should this administration continue the last 
administration's work to bolster the spectrum workforce?
    Answer. Yes. For the United States to be competitive in next-
generation networks, it is necessary to attract, educate, and grow the 
spectrum workforce. This will require extensive collaboration between 
the Executive Branch, the FCC, universities and other research 
institutions, think tanks, and civil society organizations.
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Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Lisa Blunt Rochester to 
                             Matthew Pearl
    Question. Congress typically waits to have technical feasibility 
studies regarding spectrum allocation in hand prior to authorizing 
auction authority to avoid problems. A number of studies are under way 
now. If we were to go ahead now without waiting for the studies, then 
what are the risks we could expect regarding commercial spectrum use? 
What are the risks to DoD systems or other Federal spectrum needs?
    Answer. I agree that we should not auction spectrum before 
technical analysis has been done on the specific conditions under which 
such spectrum will be made available. There are numerous risks that 
could occur to national security and other Federal uses of spectrum if 
such an approach were adopted. For instance, we could interfere with 
the ability of DOD to test next-generation radars on its military 
bases, thus putting us at a disadvantage with the PRC as it attempts to 
leapfrog over our radar capabilities. As another example, we could 
effect the Department of Energy's Power Marketing Administration, which 
markets and delivers hydropower to dozens of U.S. states.
    I would note, however, that all the major bills that are currently 
under active consideration in Congress (of which I am aware) would 
enable the FCC, NTIA, and the agencies to conduct such analysis before 
auctions take place. For instance, bills that set clearing targets for 
making spectrum available can build in flexibilities, such as allowing 
the FCC to make the bands available for exclusive non-federal use or 
shared use. Following the passage of a bill, the interagency process 
and associated technical work should take place to establish the 
conditions under which spectrum may be made available, including 
ensuring--before any auction takes place--that commercial use will not 
jeopardize national security.
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     Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Todd Young to 
                              Bryan Clark
    Question. Mr. Clark: My understanding is that China's strategy for 
wireless technology has been to secure exclusive licensing rights 
globally while restricting access. What is your perspective on China's 
approach?
    Answer. China's approach to spectrum allocation has made similar 
portions of mid-band and high-band spectrum available to commercial 
mobile network operators (MNO) as in western countries.
    However, China's government intends to dramatically increase the 
amount of spectrum available for Chinese MNOs over the next decade, 
which some fear could create an advantage for Chinese telecomunciations 
companies by allowing them to mature technologies that exploit wide 
areas of spectrum for mobile broadband and obtain revenue that allows 
them to make more inroads into telecommunication networks of U.S. 
allies.
    An element of Chinese spectrum management that is often not 
discussed is the role of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) in 
controlling spectrum access. The PLA has reserve personnel embedded in 
China's radio management centers around the country and in Chinese 
MNOs.
    These personnel are in place to move commercial users out of 
military frequencies whenever needed. In addition to during 
emergencies, which is similar to the United States, these reserve PLA 
personnel also move commercial users out of military spectrum for 
routine testing, training, and other operations.
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      Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Ted Budd to 
                              Bryan Clark
    Question. In your written testimony you state ``Beijing 
disingenuously claims that it has given more spectrum to Chinese 
telecommunication companies when in fact the People's Liberation Army 
(PLA) retains the authority and mechanisms to routinely displace 
commercial spectrum users.'' Can you expand on this and explain the 
differences between the Chinese and U.S. mechanisms to displace 
commercial spectrum users for national security purposes?
    Answer. An element of Chinese spectrum management that is often not 
discussed is the role of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) in 
controlling spectrum access. The PLA has reserve personnel embedded in 
China's radio management centers around the country and in Chinese 
MNOs.
    These personnel are in place to move commercial users out of 
military frequencies whenever needed. In addition to during 
emergencies, which is similar to the United States, these reserve PLA 
personnel also move commercial users out of military spectrum for 
routine testing, training, and other operations. See John Dotson, 
``Military-Civil Fusion and Electromagnetic Spectrum Management in the 
PLA,'' Jamestown Institute, October 8, 2019, https://jamestown.org/
program/military-civil-fusion-and-electromagnetic-spectrum-management-
in-the-pla/.
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Maria Cantwell to 
                              Bryan Clark
    Question 1. The Spectrum Pipeline is Flawed. We have seen firsthand 
how a fractured domestic approach to spectrum management threatens 
domestic and national security. The former Administration's hands-off 
policies resulted in interagency disputes.
    Mr. Clark, what risks to national security and American defense 
strategy can arise from decisions to relocate spectrum currently relied 
upon by military systems?
    Answer. Military radars, radios, and electronic warfare systems are 
essential for military operations at home such as countering missile, 
drone, and air threats as part of the Trump Administration's Golden 
Dome initiative. These systems operate predominantly in the S-band 
(especially the lower 3 GHz band) and X band (8-12 Ghz), which are 
attractive to commercial telecommunications for the same reasons--
effective range, relatively high-bandwidth--that makes them valuable 
for military operations. Relocating them to new frequencies will take 
more than a decade and cost more than $100 billion. But forcing 
military systems to operate in the presence of full-power 5G 
telecommunications will create interference and prevent effective air 
defense.
    U.S. forces need to train with radars, radios, and electronic 
warfare systems in and around U.S. territory to enable them to fight 
effectively overseas. If they are unable to use the spectrum currently 
allotted for sensors and communications, they will not be able to train 
in the same way they would fight, reducing their proficiency when 
troops arrive at the battlefield.
    Military operations overseas also increasingly depend on U.S. 
forces being able to operate in unexpected parts of the spectrum to 
avoid enemy detection and classification--operations ships and aircraft 
need to train for in the United States. Moreover, countering adversary 
sensors will require jammers that operate in adversary frequencies, 
such as C-band to deceive synthetic aperture radar satellites. U.S. 
forces will need to begin these electronic warfare operations in U.S. 
territory to ensure their deception operation is effective. If U.S. 
forces cannot use these frequencies, they will be easier to track and 
target.

    Question 2. How do shared spectrum approaches help us avoid those 
risks while still helping us find new spectrum for commercial use?
    Answer. Shared spectrum can allow military operations to continue 
unimpeded while affording access for commercial users. Military systems 
do not need continuous access to S and X-band frequencies, for example, 
in all geographic regions. Spectrum can be shared statically, by 
establishing time and geographic limitations for different users, such 
as under the America's Mid-Band Initiative Team (AMBIT) effort. 
Spectrum can also be shared dynamically, as in the Citizen's Band Radio 
Service (CBRS), by adopting technological and procedural solutions that 
enable commercial communications to proceed most of the time, but 
automatically shift them to another band when a military system 
energizes in the area.
    Spectrum sharing approaches like these can enable commercial users 
to gain at least periodic or geographically limited access to new areas 
of spectrum. This requires industry to incorporate additional 
technology or combine multiple regions of spectrum, but is the 
compromise that allows both military and commercial activities to use 
the same valuable regions of spectrum.

    Question 3. How do we advance commercial spectrum while respecting 
mission-critical Federal users and national security?
    Answer. By adopting geographic and time constraints, as in the 
AMBIT program, or by using dynamic spectrum sharing, as in CBRS, the 
government can create commercial opportunities while protecting 
incumbent Federal users like the military and law enforcement that face 
an increasingly challenging threat environment at home as well as 
overseas.
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    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Brian Schatz to 
                              Bryan Clark
    Question 1. The Department of Defense (DoD) has significant 
equities in Hawaii and the Indo-Pacific, including systems that are 
being actively funded and built with specific spectrum parameters in 
mind.
    How would modifications to DoD spectrum allocations impact existing 
requirements for ongoing projects related to cruise and ballistic 
missile radar detection systems that the DoD has established project 
timelines and appropriations for to develop and procure?
    Answer. The DoD operates an Aegis Ashore radar and interceptor 
launcher at the Pacific Missile Range Facility (PMRF) in Hawaii to test 
the Aegis Weapons System's ability to defend against cruise and 
ballistic missile threats. The facility was primarily built to test 
Aegis Ashore systems that were established in Eastern Europe but is now 
used to test new capabilities for shipboard Aegis systems as well. The 
radar for this system operates in the lower part of the 3 Ghz band for 
search and in the X-band (8-12 Ghz) for targeting. Relocating the 
system to other frequency bands will increase the system's cost by 
hundreds of millions of dollars and introduce years of delay in 
testing.
    The DoD is considering using the Aegis Ashore installation at PMRF 
to also support homeland missile defense, where it could be 
incorporated into the Trump Administration's Golden Dome initiative. In 
addition to increasing the system's cost, changing its frequency bands 
will reduce its performance in defending the United States from 
ballistic and hypersonic missile threats.

    Question 2. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA) 
operates earth observation satellites that are crucial to weather 
forecasting, including tracking extreme weather events.
    What technological capabilities currently exist to allow in-band 
sharing of spectrum?
    Answer. Earth observation satellites depend on downlinks in the L 
(1-2 Ghz) and S (2-4 Ghz) bands to send data to earth. Government and 
commercial users could employ technologies for dynamic spectrum sharing 
like that used by the Citizen's Band Radio System (CBRS) to both 
operate in these bands.

    Question 3. What technological capabilities currently exist to 
block or attenuate out-of-band emissions?
    Answer. Radars and radios use a combination of digital beamforming 
and antenna design to reduce out-of-band emissions from being 
transmitted or received. For example, by using software and phased 
array antennas, radars and radios can control the emissions from each 
antenna element and use destructive interference to narrow the physical 
beam of energy being transmitted or received by the system. This can 
help reduce the likelihood emissions will exceed geographic bounds 
established under static spectrum sharing schemes like the AMBIT 
program.
    To reduce the likelihood of signals leaving outside their assigned 
frequency bands, radars and radios can used digital radio frequency 
systems on a chip (RFSOC) and software-defined radios (SDR) that 
program their waveforms to include more data in each channel or 
frequency. These systems can also increase their power level to allow a 
higher reliability of data transfer and thereby transmit more data on 
each channel (or frequency) and reduce the need to transmit data over 
multiple channels simultaneously.

    Question 4. In light of potential impacts to adjacent bands, 
shouldn't emissions that cross into adjacent bands trigger the need for 
a spectrum sharing agreement similar to in-band sharing? In other 
words, if one party's use of a band includes both in-band and out-of-
band components, shouldn't the Spectrum Relocation Fund be fully 
compensated for both?
    Answer. All radio transmitters experience some level of out-of-band 
emissions because of imperfections in antenna hardware. Spectrum 
allocation schemes like those used by the FCC have employed ``guard 
bands'' to prevent signals from one assigned set of frequencies from 
spilling over into adjacent bands. Digital RFSOC and SDR technologies 
allow the signals generated by radars and radios to be narrowed, which 
allowed the FCC to shrink or eliminate guard bands in some areas of the 
spectrum. This creates the potential for out-of-band signals 
interfering with adjacent frequencies. When this happens, compensation 
should be triggered if the power level of the out-of-band emission is 
such that it interferes with the adjacent band's uses.

    Question 5. Tribal lands, including reservations, Hawaiian Home 
Lands, and Alaska Native Corporation lands, account for roughly 11 
percent of all land in our country. Private sector investment and thus 
access to spectrum here is historically low.
    What national security and economic risks does the digital divide 
in rural and Tribal areas present, especially those that are near 
military installations?
    Answer. The governments assignment to the military of frequencies--
especially in L, S, C, and X-band--for radars and radios on training 
ranges and other large facilities can disincentivize telecommunications 
companies from investing in adjacent territory. To implement dynamic 
spectrum sharing schemes as in CBRS, mobile network operators (MNO) may 
need to build more infrastructure to allow transmitters to operate at 
low power because each tower's coverage will be lower than a high-power 
installation. If they implement a static sharing scheme like AMBIT, 
MNOs would need to establish a more complex architecture using 
different power levels and frequencies around the military installation 
to avoid conflicts with military systems.
    However, MNOs are also disincentivized from investing in these 
areas due to the low population density, which would offer few users to 
fund the infrastructure to provide mobile communication services. 
Bridging this digital divide will likely require government support to 
build out mobile communications infrastructure and help mitigate the 
costs of implanting spectrum sharing schemes in rural areas around 
large military installations.

    Question 6. Do you see a role for dynamic spectrum sharing in 
Tribal areas, especially those that border military spectrum 
allocations?
    Answer. Yes, static spectrum sharing schemes like AMBIT and dynamic 
spectrum sharing like CBRS could be employed in these regions. However, 
both will impose costs on network operators.
    Government support may be needed to ensure MNOs can recoup their 
investment in building out these networks.

    Question 7. Given the growing competition for mid-band spectrum 
between military and commercial users, how should policymakers view 
Tribal governments in this dynamic?
    Answer. Tribal governments should be viewed as a partner in 
allocating spectrum in their regions, although spectrum still needs to 
be allocated nationally since radio transmissions do not recognize 
tribal or state boundaries. Tribal governments should be brought into 
collaboration with regulators, users, and industry to develop 
approaches for providing telecommunication services on tribal lands, 
especially mobile communications that are needed for safety and 
security. Spectrum Relocation Funds may need to be employed to help 
compensate network operators for the cost of building out 
infrastructure on tribal land and incorporating spectrum sharing 
technologies.

    Question 8. Do Tribes represent a unique category of spectrum 
stakeholders, and what role does direct access to spectrum for them 
play in expanding competition in underserved areas?
    Answer. Tribes are a governmental entity and should therefore have 
a voice in deciding how spectrum is allocated in their region. This is 
especially true for regions near military installations where a 
combination of low population density and spectrum sharing requirements 
disincentive network operators from building infrastructure.

    Question 9. As the U.S. seeks to expand broadband to underserved 
areas--including Tribal lands--while also ensuring sufficient spectrum 
for national security and commercial purposes, what policies should 
Congress consider to balance these competing needs?
    Answer. Congress should consider ways to incentive industry to 
invest in a combination of spectrum sharing schemes and network 
infrastructure that can address these underserved areas while 
protecting the need of military users to periodically access priority 
regions of spectrum.
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    Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Edward Markey to 
                              Bryan Clark
    Question. Should the Federal Communications Commission consider the 
national security implications of our existing GPS system in making 
spectrum allocation decisions?
    Answer. Yes. The GPS system operates in the L band (1-2 Ghz), which 
is also a popular frequency band for satellite communications because 
it offers a combination of long-range and relatively high data rates. 
GPS signals are also very low power, which makes them very susceptible 
to jamming and interference, as seen in Ukraine and Eastern Europe due 
to Russian electronic warfare operations.
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Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Lisa Blunt Rochester to 

                              Bryan Clark
    Question 1. Congress typically waits to have technical feasibility 
studies regarding spectrum allocation in hand prior to authorizing 
auction authority to avoid problems. A number of studies are under way 
now. If we were to go ahead now without waiting for the studies, then 
what are the risks we could expect regarding commercial spectrum use? 
What are the risks to DoD systems or other Federal spectrum needs?
    Answer. The risks of auctioning spectrum that DoD is currently 
using are significant to extreme, depending on the mission. U.S. 
military forces depend on access to commercially-valuable spectrum--
such as S-band (2-4 Ghz), C-band (4-8 Ghz), and X-band (8-12 Ghz)--for 
radars and radios. U.S. forces need to train on these systems in and 
around the U.S. to prepare for combat overseas. If they cannot train in 
the United States, they will be less proficient and effective.
    More important, the military needs access to these regions of the 
spectrum in the United States to support homeland defense. Initiatives 
like the Trump Administration's Golden Dome air and missile defense 
system will depend on access to S and X-band around priority defended 
locations around the country and potentially over the whole country if 
satellite-based radars are used as part of the architecture. If this 
spectrum is unavailable over the U.S., Golden Dome will only be able to 
engage threats as they enter the U.S. and would be unable to shoot them 
down once they are over U.S. territory.
    For U.S. military systems to move out of these frequency ranges 
will take more than a decade and nearly $100 billion, and in the end 
they will be less capable because they will use less useful part of the 
spectrum.

    Question 2. Maintaining our economic competitiveness globally and 
creating conditions for innovation are important, and I am open to 
strategies to put our country in the best possible position. Still, a 
top priority must be ensuring that we are prepared in the event of 
aggressive actions by an adversary. Mr. Clark, in your testimony, you 
noted that ensuring the military has the spectrum they need is 
important for countering China. Can you expand on how China would 
benefit if DoD's spectrum access was overly constrained?
    Answer. If the U.S. military is limited to narrower ranges of 
frequency, the Chinese military could more easily detect and classify 
U.S. forces by their emissions. One of the techniques U.S. forces might 
use to confuse Chinese sensing and sensemaking is to move to other 
areas of the spectrum and use different waveforms than normal. Although 
U.S. commanders would not want to routinely operate using these ``war-
reserve modes'', their forces would need to periodically train on them 
in the United States and their capabilities would need to be evaluated 
on DoD ranges.
    Electronic warfare operations require that U.S. forces emit in 
frequency ranges that U.S. forces do not normally use. Chinese radars 
and radios use similar frequencies to U.S. systems because their 
physical properties are beneficial, but Chinese systems do not use the 
same frequencies. If U.S. forces are constrained to a narrow band of 
frequencies, then they cannot train or develop electronic warfare 
systems that are effective against Chinese sensors and radios.

    Question 3. Mr. Clark, in your testimony you cited spectrum-sharing 
as a strategy to move forward. Do you think it is feasible that both 
DoD needs and commercial needs could be met through carefully planned 
spectrum-sharing?
    Answer. Yes. DoD operations in the United States (except perhaps 
for Golden Dome) are not continuous and do not happen across the entire 
country. Static spectrum sharing schemes like AMBIT that use geographic 
and power constraints to prevent spectrum conflicts could be employed 
outside the areas around military installations. Dynamic spectrum 
sharing arrangements like CBRS could be employed in areas in or near 
military installations, where commercial and civilian users are forced 
to move to another frequency when a military user begins emitting. 
However, these schemes create complexity and cost for mobile network 
operators, and reduce the value of the associated spectrum. The auction 
approach and timing need to account for the time and investment needed 
to establish these schemes before commercial operations commence.

    Question 3a. Do we have the feasibility studies needed to move 
forward with spectrum-sharing? If not, what do we need to do?
    Answer. These studies are underway now, but these studies may be 
too open-ended to provide actionable recommendations. The study 
parameters may need to be adjusted to provide analysts clear goals for 
the amounts of spectrum they should seek to make available and in which 
regions, as well as accounting for the costs associated with 
implementing appropriate spectrum sharing arrangements.

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