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                    THE ROLE OF SPECIAL OPERATIONS IN 
                        GREAT POWER COMPETITION

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                    SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE AND 
                             SPECIAL OPERATIONS

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                      COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES

                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                              HEARING HELD

                           FEBRUARY 26, 2025

                                     
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          SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS

                     RONNY JACKSON, Texas, Chairman

AUSTIN SCOTT, Georgia                JASON CROW, Colorado
TRENT KELLY, Mississippi             WILLIAM R. KEATING, Massachusetts
NANCY MACE, South Carolina           JARED F. GOLDEN, Maine
MORGAN LUTTRELL, Texas               SARA JACOBS, California
CORY MILLS, Florida                  PATRICK RYAN, New York
DERRICK VAN ORDEN, Wisconsin         GILBERT RAY CISNEROS JR., 
PAT HARRIGAN, North Carolina             California
ABRAHAM J. HAMADEH, Arizona          DEREK TRAN, California

                Craig Greene, Professional Staff Member
               Will T. Johnson, Professional Staff Member
                  Austin Richards, Research Assistant
                           
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              STATEMENTS PRESENTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS

Crow, Hon. Jason, a Representative from Colorado, Ranking Member, 
  Subcommittee on Intelligence and Special Operations............     3
Jackson, Hon. Ronny, a Representative from Texas, Chairman, 
  Subcommittee on Intelligence and Special Operations............     1

                               WITNESSES

Braga, LTG Jonathan P., USA, Commander, United States Army 
  Special Operations Command.....................................     4
Conley, Lt Gen Michael E. USAF, Commander, Air Force Special 
  Operations Command,............................................     5
Huntley, MajGen Peter D., USMC, Commander, Marine Forces Special 
  Operations Command.............................................     8
Sands III, Rear Admiral Milton J., USN, Commander, Naval Special 
  Warfare Command................................................     7

                                APPENDIX

Prepared Statements:

    Braga, LTG Jonathan P........................................    33
    Conley, Lt Gen Michael E.....................................    41
    Huntley, MajGen Peter D......................................    53
    Jackson, Hon. Ronny..........................................    29
    Sands III, Rear Admiral Milton J.............................    48

Documents Submitted for the Record:

    [There were no Documents submitted.]

Witness Responses to Questions Asked During the Hearing:

    Dr. Jackson..................................................    67

Questions Submitted by Members Post Hearing:

    Dr. Jackson..................................................    71
    Mr. Hamadeh..................................................    72
       
 
      THE ROLE OF SPECIAL OPERATIONS IN GREAT POWER COMPETITION

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                  House of Representatives,
                       Committee on Armed Services,
       Subcommittee on Intelligence and Special Operations,
                      Washington, DC, Wednesday, February 26, 2025.
    The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 1:30 p.m., in 
room 2118, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Ronny Jackson 
[chairman of the subcommittee] presiding.

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. RONNY JACKSON, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM 
   TEXAS, CHAIRMAN, SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE AND SPECIAL 
                           OPERATIONS

    Dr. Jackson. The subcommittee will come to order.
    I ask unanimous consent that the chair be authorized to 
declare a recess at any time. Without objection, so ordered.
    We have a few members that aren't here yet, but one of the 
things about this committee going forward is we're going to 
start on time. So, we're starting on time.
    Today, we'll hear from our witnesses on the role of Special 
Operations Forces in great power competition. The United States 
is facing a dramatically different geopolitical environment now 
than at any other time in recent decades. While this century 
has been dominated by our efforts in the Global War on 
Terrorism, the new era of great power competition presents 
strategic challenges from revisionist states in China and 
Russia and their rogue state allies in Iran and North Korea.
    Over the past several years, as our Nation has confronted 
the evolving landscape of great power competition, our special 
operators have adapted to meet the challenges posed by our 
adversaries, while continuing to combat the continuous and 
evolving threats posed by violent extremist organizations, 
military proxies, and non-state actors.
    U.S. Special Operations Forces are ideally suited and 
organized for great power competition. The core activities of 
our Special Operations Units, from working with our partners 
around the world to help bolster their defenses in 
unconventional warfare capabilities to counterproliferation and 
special reconnaissance, is more needed today than ever before 
or decades in the past and offers the ability to present 
significant strategic and operational challenges to our 
adversaries, while simultaneously enabling our allies and 
partners to resist outside aggression.
    The relationship our Special Operations Forces have built 
and sustained through decades of partnership with our allies is 
critical for our access and placement to counter our 
adversaries. The United States will continue to rely on the men 
and women throughout the Special Operations Forces community to 
prepare future battle spaces, rapidly respond to contingencies 
in multiple theaters, and extend American influence by 
operating across the spectrum of competition, including below 
the threshold of traditional military conflict and in the gray 
zone.
    To address this continuously changing environment, 
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low-
Intensity Conflict and Special Operations Command recently 
released the Joint Special Operations Forces Operating Concept 
for Force Development and Design Guide to the Special 
Operations Forces community and the Department to ensure we 
develop, and I quote, "a Joint Special Operations Force that 
rapidly fuses all-domain capabilities for tailored and 
simultaneous missions across the full spectrum from competition 
to conflict, enabled by persistent campaigning for global 
advantage." That sounds a little verbose and a little academic, 
but if you read it slowly, it makes sense.
    This concept will require the Special Operations Forces 
community to be culturally literate in dynamic regions across 
the globe and proficient across evolving domains in the cyber, 
space, and information realms -- all while maintaining the 
ability to provide unique tactical combat capabilities for the 
Joint Force.
    Today's hearing is focused on the role of Special 
Operations Forces as the United States embraces an era of great 
power competition. The subcommittee will seek to examine the 
unique capabilities of the Special Operations Forces service 
components and how Special Operations Forces' core activities 
may complement and enable the Joint Force to operate against 
strategic adversaries.
    We hope to further understand how the Special Operations 
Force components determine what the appropriate capabilities 
and force structure are to support and respond to the 
Geographic Combatant Command requirements for great power 
competition and counter adversaries and non-state actors.
    Our witnesses today are the commanders of the Special 
Operations service components and have decades of experience 
with the Special Operations community. I want to welcome 
Lieutenant General Jonathan Braga, Commander of the United 
States Army Special Operations Command; Lieutenant General 
Michael Conley, Commander of the Air Force Special Operations 
Command; Major General Peter Huntley, U.S. Marine Corps, 
Commander, Marine Forces Special Operations Command, and Rear 
Admiral Milton Sands, Commander, Naval Special Warfare Command.
    In the interest of time, I will ask the witnesses to keep 
your opening statements or your opening remarks to 5 minutes or 
less, so that we have sufficient time for questions and 
answers.
    With that, let me thank our witnesses for appearing before 
us today.
    I now recognize Ranking Member Crow for his opening 
remarks.
    [The opening statement of Dr. Jackson can be found on page 
29.]

 STATEMENT OF HON. JASON CROW, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM COLORADO, 
   RANKING MEMBER, SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE AND SPECIAL 
                           OPERATIONS

    Mr. Crow. Thank you, Dr. Jackson.
    And thank you to our Special Operations Forces Component 
Commanders for being here today to provide testimony on the 
role of U.S. Special Operations in great power competition.
    The global security environment is changing rapidly. Our 
adversaries regularly engage in malign gray zone activities 
intended to challenge the United States in the global order.
    As stated in the 2022 National Defense Strategy, countries 
like China and Russia use a broad range of diplomatic, 
informational, economic, and military tools to undermine our 
national interests.
    So, to address and to protect our national interests and to 
combat these malign activities, we have to find various ways to 
counter these efforts.
    Although the authority to leverage irregular warfare is not 
unique to Special Operations, it is essential. Irregular 
warfare highlights core Special Operations Forces activities 
like foreign internal defense, unconventional warfare, Military 
Information Support operations, Civil Affairs operations, and 
others which are essential if we are to successfully counter 
our competitors in the gray zone.
    Indeed, our Special Operations Forces are uniquely 
qualified to support the whole-of-government approach of 
integrated deterrence when it comes to great power competition.
    Our partners and allies remain key to addressing these 
challenges. The history of our Special Operations Forces is 
rooted in partnership. The generational relationships that 
Special Operations Forces develops with our partners gives 
these forces a unique understanding of the global operating 
environment, allowing them to work in some of the most 
difficult locations around the world.
    These relationships also help us to identify key 
vulnerabilities, mitigate security concerns, and alter 
competitor perceptions of risks, costs, and benefits of certain 
actions.
    So today, we will examine the core activities of Special 
Operations Forces and how they apply to great power competition 
after over two decades of Special Operations Forces focus on 
counterterrorism and countering threats from non-state actors 
and violent extremist organizations.
    We must not forget the hard-won lessons of the last 20 
years and we should endeavor to maintain Special Operations 
Forces ability to conduct counterterrorism operations, while 
ensuring they can support the Joint Force in great power 
competition.
    We will examine how the new Joint Special Operations Forces 
Operating Concept for Force Development and Design will assist 
the components in shaping force requirements to focus on great 
power competition.
    Lastly, I want to take a moment to recognize the key 
successes of our Special Operation Forces and what makes them 
the best at what they do; it's the people, and it's their 
families, and it's the support network. Because we would be 
nothing, and our Special Operations Forces would be nothing, if 
it weren't for the exceptional talent of Americans who step up 
day-in and day-out, at great risk to themselves and at great 
sacrifice, to perform the hardest missions that our country 
asks them to do.
    So, thank you, Dr. Jackson, and to our witnesses.
    And as always, Rangers, lead the way.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you.
    We will hear from our witnesses now, and, then we will move 
into a question-and-answer session. Immediately following one 
round of questions, we will reconvene for the classified 
session, which will take place in Rayburn 2337. We are going to 
try to set a stop time of 2:30. So, I think everybody should 
get their questions in, based on the number of folks here, but 
if we don't, any questions that we don't get to, we will ask in 
the classified session.
    So, with that, Lieutenant General Braga, we will begin with 
you.

    STATEMENT OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL JONATHAN P. BRAGA, USA, 
    COMMANDER, UNITED STATES ARMY SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND

    General Braga. Chairman Jackson, Ranking Member Crow, 
distinguished members of the subcommittee, thanks so much for 
the opportunity to represent the 36,000 members of the United 
States Army Special Operations Command here today. I look 
forward to highlighting just who we are; how we are 
transforming for the future, and what we require to protect the 
homeland and enable the Joint Force.
    United States Army Special Operations Command generates 
combat-ready forces and innovates for today's fight and 
modernizes for tomorrow's challenges, while also caring for our 
soldiers and families in an uncertain fiscal environment. 
Although there is tension between these efforts, we continue to 
generate exceptionally high return on investment with 
Regionally Aligned Forces and unique capabilities.
    United States Army Special Operations Command comprises 
less than 10 percent of the Army and receives one-half of a 
percent of the Army's budget, and similarly, we constitute over 
half of Special Operations Command and are standing with 16 
percent of the budget.
    Our Green Berets, Rangers, Aviators, Civil Affairs, and 
Psychological Operations Soldiers are lethal warriors who 
provide a unique value proposition and options for the Nation. 
We are in the contact layer with approximately 3,000 soldiers 
deployed every day in 80 different countries, where the defense 
of the homeland begins.
    Our people maintain generational relationships and sustain 
the connective tissue with our interagency and international 
partners.
    Forces assigned to United States Army Special Operations 
Command also stand ready to execute crisis response activities 
anywhere in the world on short notice. Our formations have 
supported an exponential increase in crisis response 
requirements over the last several years.
    Army Special Operations' role today is clear and the value 
proposition for tomorrow is valid. The future of conflict will 
find our forces operating in the contested, in the deep, and 
the denied areas supporting the Joint Force.
    United States Army Special Operations Command is undergoing 
its largest transformation in decades. We're updating our 
doctrine; developing multi-domain-capable units of action; 
creating battle labs; consolidating lessons learned, and 
innovating forward with our partners.
    For the first time in decades, we have created a new 
occupational specialty and courses focused on technology and 
unmanned systems.
    United States Army Special Operations Command established 
an Irregular Warfare Task Force to buy down risk associated 
with transregional threats from our adversaries.
    We also cofounded the Soft-Space-Cyber Triad. This modern-
day deterrence concept ensures Army Special Operations' Space 
and Missile Defense, and Cyber Command can serve as the eyes, 
ears, and teeth of the Joint Force and the Army.
    Our people are innovation pathfinders. They are 
professional and patient problem-solvers, and their observation 
of today's battlefields make it clear to me that we still have 
much work to do.
    The innovation cycle is measured in days and weeks, not 
months or years. Yet, our funding, acquisition processes, and 
bureaucracies are not optimized to innovate at the speed of 
need.
    We must position our people in proximity to the problem 
with the right authorities and right resources to identify 
emerging capability gaps, pioneer solutions, and disseminate 
lessons learned to all theaters.
    United States Army Special Operations Command remains 
committed to our top priority, our people, who are the linchpin 
of our success. Army Special Operations soldiers serve with 
distinction around the world in harm's way. And since 2001, 
United States Army Special Operation Command soldiers have been 
awarded nine Medals of Honor, three of which of those 
servicemembers and warriors still serve within our formation. 
And over the last two decades, 382 of our soldiers paid the 
ultimate sacrifice on behalf of the Nation.
    As we work to balance readiness requirements and 
modernization imperatives, we remain invested in caring for our 
people and never forget the sacrifices that they and their 
families make. It is our solemn responsibility to take care of 
our people; set conditions for future battlefield success, and 
to generate the highest return on investment for the American 
people.
    Thank you for your invitation to testify today and your 
continued support.
    [The prepared statement of General Braga can be found in 
the Appendix on page 33.]
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, sir.
    Lieutenant General Conley, you are now recognized.

   STATEMENT OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL MICHAEL E. CONLEY, USAF, 
        COMMANDER, AIR FORCE SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND

    General Conley. Chairman Jackson, Ranking Member Crow, and 
distinguished members of the subcommittee, thank you for the 
opportunity to discuss the role of Air Force Special Operations 
in today's strategic environment.
    On behalf of Command Chief Green, myself, and the more than 
20,000 men and women of Air Force Special Operations Command, 
I'm grateful for the opportunity to present an overview of the 
capabilities your Air Commandos provide in safeguarding the 
interests of America.
    Simply put, Air Force Special Operations Command exists to 
support our Nation's priorities by supporting the Joint Force 
and our Special Operations Forces partners. We do this through 
four primary mission areas that have evolved throughout our 
history: specialized mobility, strike, intelligence, 
surveillance, reconnaissance, and air-to-ground integration.
    This year, Air Force Special Operations Command reaches a 
milestone, its 35th anniversary as a major command. We started 
as a collection of helicopters, cargo aircraft, and special 
tactics focused on long-range penetration, establishing 
airfields, and personnel recovery.
    After 9/11, we evolved into a force exquisitely tailored to 
counterterrorism. By fielding new intelligence platforms, 
extensive intel networks, and advancing our interdiction 
capability, we honed our ability to strike terrorists at their 
source.
    Today's Air Commandos are evolving again, using the 
ingenuity of our people and unique capabilities to meet our 
Nation's needs across four key priorities: homeland defense, 
crisis response, countering violent extremists, and support to 
theater Special Operations Forces commands.
    The common theme across each phase of our history is our 
ability to adopt. Air Commandos repeatedly demonstrate their 
ability to become what the Nation needs at that time at that 
place.
    Today, we face new challenges as we continue to adapt to 
the changing threat environment. We are seeing an increased 
demand for Air Force Special Operations Command capabilities. 
Since 2019, demand for your Air Commandos has surged -- in some 
cases even exceeding the peak levels seen during the Global War 
on Terror.
    As we sit here today, our airmen are forward-based in 
strategic locations and forward-deployed in harm's way, 
countering malign activities and actively preventing attacks on 
our homeland.
    And while Special Operations Forces aviation is an 
irreplaceable asset, it is expensive and our budget has 
remained largely flat in the face of rising costs. The more 
complex the threat environment, the more expensive it is to 
develop capability and maintain readiness to operate in these 
environments.
    I contend that Air Force Special Operations Command 
provides a high return on investment, accounting for less than 
one-half of 1 percent of the Air Force's budget and a 
proportional part of Special Operations Command's budget, which 
is, roughly, only 2 percent of the Department of Defense's 
overall budget. For a small cost, the Nation sees an outsized 
return from its investment in Air Force Special Operations 
Command.
    Air Commandos are present around the globe 24/7/365. Our 
Indo-Pacific-based wing is located within the first island 
chain -- actively building relationships with allies and 
partners; setting conditions for future Joint Force operations, 
and creating dilemmas for our adversaries.
    Our wing in Europe is actually training with and supporting 
NATO allies, to include mentoring partnerships with our new 
North Atlantic Treaty Organization Special Operations Forces 
partners, as we work together to identify both the challenges 
and opportunities of operating in the Arctic.
    On top of all this, Air Commandos maintain a persistent 
deployed presence, targeting non-state actors capable of 
threatening American interests and our homeland, all while 
remaining in a 24/7 alert posture back here in the states to 
respond to crisis at the direction of our President.
    And while we face challenges, I also see incredible 
opportunity and take pride in our ability to respond quickly 
wherever our Nation needs us. Air Force Special Operations 
Command is built to win. We're informed by, but not beholden 
to, past missions. We remain ready and adaptable.
    Thank you for your continued support of America's Air 
Commandos who remain a cornerstone of America's competitive 
edge, and I look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of General Conley can be found in 
the Appendix on page 41.]
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, General.
    Rear Admiral Sands, you are recognized for 5 minutes.

STATEMENT OF REAR ADMIRAL MILTON J. SANDS III, USN, COMMANDER, 
                 NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE COMMAND

    Admiral Sands. I'm proud to be here with my fellow Special 
Operations Component Commanders.
    Naval Special Warfare is a maritime component of Special 
Operations Command's Joint Force and an integral part of 
America's warfighting Navy.
    I'm here with Force Master Chief Walter Dittmar, and we are 
honored to represent the 10,000 men and women of Naval Special 
Warfare.
    Thank you for your continued support to our mission, our 
force, and our families.
    Naval Special Warfare's purpose is to provide maritime 
Special Operations Forces capability to enable Joint Force 
lethality and survivability inside denied and contested areas.
    We prioritize three capabilities: support to long-range 
fires, maritime kinetic effects, and maritime non-kinetic 
effects. The latter is our most decisive Naval Special Warfare 
capability.
    Our ability to operate in the maritime provides the Nation 
with unique access across the globe. Our maritime training 
allows us to go where others cannot. Our operators and support 
personnel use combatant craft and submersibles to conduct 
decisive operations in support of the Joint Force.
    Our people are the foundation of our capability, and these 
bespoke maritime assets allow us to close with the enemy.
    In Naval Special Warfare, we exploit our tactical and 
technological advantages. Manned/unmanned teaming is our 
future. We will integrate this capability into our tactical 
formations to maximize our scale and our lethality.
    We own the water; we embrace the robots, and we win every 
fight. Maritime Special Operations Forcesvactivities have an 
outsized impact on Joint Force operations. This can be a SEAL 
dive pair placing explosives in the dark of night to protect 
Navy ships and submarines. It can look like special boat 
operators in low-visibility craft stalking an enemy vessel to 
enable lethal effects. Naval Special Warfare gnaws down 
opponent advantages of scale.
    The Nation remains underinvested in our Maritime Special 
Operations Account. In Naval Special Warfare, we refine our 
capabilities with a clear-eyed discussion of risk to bridge the 
gap between operations and resourcing.
    Current fiscal constraints and increased deployment costs 
are challenging our ability to balance modernization and 
readiness. Our Nation maintains an advantage in the maritime 
domain, but our opponents are closing fast.
    Naval Special Warfare represents less than 1 percent of the 
Navy's budget and 14 percent of Special Operations Command 
funding. Like each of my Special Operations teammates here, we 
provide a high return on investment. With that investment comes 
solution for some of the Nation's toughest problems.
    Agility has been a hallmark of Naval Special Warfare since 
our inception. The return to the maritime is a return to our 
original identity. The first frogmen cleared lanes across 
Europe and the Pacific, so our forces could close with the 
enemy. Today, our commitment to the Nation is to be ready to do 
it again.
    To conclude, Naval Special Warfare's purpose is our North 
Star. It guides us as we decide what to do and what not to do. 
As the Nation's Maritime Special Operations Force, we shoulder 
the responsibility to own the water and execute the Nation's 
most challenging and decisive operations.
    Thank you and I look forward to our discussion.
    [The prepared statement of Admiral Sands can be found in 
the Appendix on page 48.]
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, Admiral.
    Major General Huntley, you are recognized for 5 minutes.

 STATEMENT OF MAJOR GENERAL PETER D. HUNTLEY, USMC, COMMANDER, 
            MARINE FORCES SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND

    General Huntley. Chairman Jackson, Ranking Member Crow, and 
distinguished members of the Subcommittee, thank you for this 
opportunity to discuss the future of Marine Forces Special 
Operations Command.
    For two decades, Marine Forces Special Operations Command 
has maintained a persistent forward presence, strengthening our 
relationships with strategic partners and allies, and also, 
defeating threats across the globe.
    Our Raiders, our Special Operations Capability Specialists, 
and, of course, our Navy Corpsmen represent the very best of 
the United States Marine Corps and the broader U.S. Naval 
Service. And as always, we continue to embody a proud legacy, 
uphold the Marine Corps reputation for efficiency, 
effectiveness, and a high return on investment.
    As national security priorities shift, Marine Forces 
Special Operations Command stands at the forefront of a 
critical transformation. We have adapted to the landscape of 
future conflict and prioritized modernization efforts which 
will enhance our ability to counter adversaries across every 
domain.
    To do this, your continued support is foundational, and we 
ask for the investment necessary to cement Marine Forces 
Special Operation Command's role and to help our Nation win. 
This is not just about buying new equipment or kit. This is 
about maintaining and enhancing an elite, persistent inside 
force that has the generational relationship with strategic 
partners and the capability to sense, make sense, and act 
faster than our adversaries.
    Raiders continue to be persistently deployed in key 
locations and our capability of surviving and thriving in 
contested and, of course, denied spaces -- all this while 
facilitating the success of the broader Joint Force.
    In order to continue this, there are three things that we 
must do.
    First, we must continue to equip and further develop the 
capabilities of our Raiders with cutting-edge technologies, 
such as advanced robotics, artificial intelligence, and 
networking to not only link every sensor to every shooter, but 
to turn small, disaggregated teams into the cornerstone of an 
overwhelming Joint Force.
    These tools will radically increase our ability to detect 
and exploit adversaries' weaknesses, which will give the Joint 
Force the eyes and ears it will need to defeat the most 
advanced threats. Imagine, if you will, a small team of Raiders 
deployed to a small, remote island chain, capable of monitoring 
adversaries' movements, disrupting communications, and 
providing deadly, accurate, and real-time targeting information 
to joint assets that may be operating hundreds of miles away.
    Second, your continued support for expanding our precision 
strike capabilities is crucial. On the modern battlefield, 
characterized by distributed forces, dynamic employment, and 
degraded communications, Marine Forces Special Operations 
Command will not just be the Joint Force's eyes and ears; we 
must also provide our own lethal and accurate fires. This will 
require continued investment in multi-domain strike platforms 
and the associated munitions to position with our forces that 
are in theater now. This will allow us to maintain our 
competitive advantage against all adversaries.
    Finally, but certainly not last, we must continue investing 
in our people. Our rigorous training pipeline ensures we 
recruit and develop operators not only capable of mastering 
these new technologies, but also seamlessly supporting and 
integrating with the broader Joint Force to deliver decisive 
effects.
    Our Raiders represent a critical asset for our Nation at 
the tactical, operational, and strategic levels. Their skills 
are essential now in competition, as they will be in crisis and 
conflict.
    These investments not only benefit Marine Forces Special 
Operations Command, but they will pay dividends across the 
entire Joint Force by providing a more lethal, agile, and 
integrated force that stands ready in theater today. We present 
a deterring threat in competition and, of course, and always, a 
lethal asset in conflict.
    I look forward to working with this committee to ensure 
your investments in Marine Forces Special Operations Command 
continue to pay outsized dividends. Thank you very much.
    [The prepared statement of General Huntley can be found in 
the Appendix on page 53.]
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, General.
    We will begin with questions now, and I will start by 
recognizing myself for 5 minutes.
    This is to all our witnesses here today. Can each of you 
describe what you think is the one critical capability that 
your special operators and organizations contribute to great 
power competition and counter our No. 1 adversary China?
    We will start with you, General Braga.
    General Braga. Chairman, I think our transregional 
footprint and relationships, generational relationships, in the 
deep and contact layer out there at the near abroad to all 
those other places really across every Global Command and 
Control System, where we find the footprint of the People's 
Republic of China using all forms of their national power to 
erode international rules, norms, and behavior, and ultimately, 
address our national security advantage that we have out there.
    We find ourselves working with our interagency partners and 
our international partners to push back with the ready warfare 
options. So, in different cases, this could be an information 
environment; it could be in more clandestine efforts; it could 
be a better understanding to inform policymakers of what 
efforts our adversaries are taking to erode these national 
security advantages.
    So, we are like global sensors for the Joint Force. We 
provide pushback in the competition phase, but we also provide 
value, should it go to a high-end conflict phase.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you.
    General Conley?
    General Conley. Chairman, much like General Braga's 
comment, I would say our greatest attribute in the Pacific is 
our presence. As I mentioned in my opening statement, we have a 
wing located in Kadena that has been there in some way, shape, 
or form for decades. So, we understand the operational 
environment. We have longstanding, decades-long relationships 
with key partners over there, and we understand the 
battlespace.
    As I prep the rest of the Air Force Special Operations 
Command formation for potential conflict in new theaters, 
having that core capability and knowledge set allows me to flow 
airmen in and out of that theater, pairing with partnerships of 
our own formation that allow us to quickly get up-to-speed and 
deliberately train back here in the states. So, when we move 
forward, we are ready to go.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, General.
    Admiral?
    Admiral Sands. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Our biggest Navel Special Warfare contribution to great 
power competition, especially when you think of China, is our 
access to the maritime. As our Nation's only Maritime Special 
Operations Force, we provide the ability to access areas, both 
undersea and on the sea, that no one else can go. And this 
enables us to do a variety of things and support the Joint 
Force lethality and survivability. We view our role in the 
maritime to enable our Department of Defense forces, our larger 
Joint Force, to close with the enemy and survive as they do it.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, sir.
    General?
    General Huntley. Yes, Mr. Chairman.
    As I spoke about in my opening remarks, we have the ability 
and we do live, thrive, and survive in contested and denied 
spaces. And as I talked about before, the ability to link any 
sensor with any shooter. What does that mean? That in places 
like the Western Pacific, or really anywhere on the globe that 
is going to be contested and will be difficult for Joint Forces 
to project power into, we are already there living, developing 
relationships with partners and allies, but also bring along 
the capabilities to link not only our organic sensing 
capabilities, but also the capabilities of coalition, host 
nation, or even our own surrogates, in order to be able to 
illuminate the operating space at scale to facilitate Joint 
Force fires and maneuver.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, sir.
    And I'm going to ask this question. This is a two-part 
question. It can be pretty short. But how would each of you 
assess your parent Service's understanding of the capabilities 
that you each bring to the integrated deterrence in U.S. 
efforts to compete against our strategic adversaries? And can 
you provide us a sense of the number or the percentage of 
requests that you receive from the combatant commanders for 
support that you were not able to execute and, generally, why 
you were not able to fulfill this request?
    General Braga. Chairman, I can get you the exact number in 
a follow-up, but it is increasing, the number of operational 
requests that we cannot meet due to force size and/or 
resources, because it is more expensive to deploy and meet this 
demand. That is a challenge.
    [The information referred to can be found in the Appendix 
on page 67.]
    Dr. Jackson. Yes, sir.
    General Conley. Mr. Chairman, in reverse order, I would 
echo what General Braga said. We commit almost 100 percent of 
our forces in each deployment cycle. So, there's no excess 
left. In order to do other things, it means tradeoffs for what 
we are currently tasked to do. And I can discuss more of that 
in the next session.
    From a parent Service view, I certainly don't want to speak 
for my Chief, but I would say it is improving; it is good and 
improving. I think there was a post-Global War On Terrorism 
perspective that Special Operations might not be needed as much 
in a great power competition setting, but over the last few 
years I think the realization -- based on our presence, our 
access, and our relationships -- is that they need us more than 
ever. So, that relationship is strong and growing.
    Dr. Jackson. Thanks.
    And, General Braga, you agree that you think that your 
Service understands your unique capabilities?
    General Braga. Absolutely, Chairman. We feel fully 
integrated, interoperable, and we are innovating on behalf of 
the United States Army, and we are fully integrated with the 
transforming contact efforts of the United States Army.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, sir.
    Admiral?
    Admiral Sands. I would begin by saying the Navy has really 
a deep understanding of our capabilities. But, like my 
teammates, over the last two years, in particular, this has 
really improved. The Navy is looking to us and saying what are 
your five Ws? What are the things that you are specifically 
going to do for us in conflict, God forbid, with China?
    And so, I think we are integrated well with the Navy, 
especially with our submarine force, and that is only 
improving.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, sir.
    General?
    General Huntley. Yes, Mr. Chairman.
    We enjoy significant and great support from the Commandant 
of the Marine Corps and his team. We work very closely with our 
sister Marine Forces, specifically Marine Corps Forces, 
Pacific, Marine Corps Forces Cyberspace Command, and Marine 
Corps Forces Space Command, to include Marine Expeditionary 
Forces as well, both I Marine Expeditionary Forces on the West 
Coast, III Marine Expeditionary Forces in Okinawa, and II 
Marine Expeditionary Forces here on the East Coast. So, yes, we 
are providing great support.
    In terms of how we are marbled into the Marine Corps force 
design, we are making good progress there, but we definitely 
are part of that team, and we look forward to working with the 
broader Marine Corps going forward.
    In terms of demands from the Joint Force, right now, we are 
at max capacity. We are putting everything out the door that we 
can in order to still maintain and train the force properly. 
So, there's probably more things we should be doing, and 
there's definitely more things that the Combatant Commands 
would like us to do, but we are at max capacity at this time.
    Over.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you, sir.
    And with that, I'm going to yield back and recognize 
Ranking Member Crow for questioning.
    Mr. Crow. Thank you, Dr. Jackson.
    I wanted to continue the conversation that we have had 
before about the issue of lessons learned, because we can't 
afford not to learn lessons learned in real time out in the 
world as things are rapidly evolving. The failure to do that 
would just be too costly.
    And perhaps one of the best laboratories, although I 
hesitate to use that term because it is a brutal hellscape of a 
battle in Ukraine, but it is the Russia-Ukraine conflict and 
Russia's invasion of Ukraine, where we are seeing new tactics, 
new techniques, entirely new ways of fighting being developed 
on a weekly and monthly basis, and both forces evolving 
quickly.
    I'm concerned that we are not structured to do that. I 
mean, you all have the agility and can evolve quicker than 
most, given your size and the talent of your forces. But, even 
still, I think there are very real barriers to doing that.
    So, I would love each of you to comment on what are those 
barriers to learning quickly. And if you could change something 
today to allow us to adapt more quickly to what we are learning 
and seeing overseas, what would it be?
    And I will start on the other end with General Huntley.
    General Huntley. Thank you, Congressman.
    I would say that, first of all, we do have a very rigorous 
after-action program that allows us to identify lessons. The 
challenge that I will talk about here in a second is being able 
to implement those upgrades, if you will, to our capabilities.
    We do enjoy good, I would describe, acquisition 
authorities, but right now the pace of modernization in the 
tactical space across the globe, whether it is Ukraine, whether 
it is in Colombia, or whether it is anywhere else in the world, 
is moving very fast. Our ability to modernize on pace is 
something that concerns me; it concerns me greatly.
    And I think that would be one of the biggest challenges, 
particularly for Special Operations Forces going forward, is 
being able to keep up with the rapidly evolving. For instance, 
you know, artificial intelligence is moving fast.
    The difference in today's operating environment than what 
we saw in the past 20 years is that we have always enjoyed a 
great advantage of being able to sense the enemy before they 
sense us. But with the proliferation of technologies, that is a 
two-way street.
    Whether you are fighting against a peer competitor or 
whether you are fighting against a narco organization somewhere 
else in the world, it is out there. You see al-Shabaab, ISIS, 
even Clan del Golfo in Colombia, they have these capabilities 
at the tactical edge. They are moving fast in terms of 
upgrading. We need to be able to move just as fast. That is our 
main challenge going forward.
    Admiral Sands. Congressman, I think our lessons learned 
capability is good. We see rapid turnover of things happening 
at the front edge from our allies and partners. So, I think 
that is a good system that we have got, at least within Special 
Operations Command.
    The challenge, and really our priority, is getting 
equipment that is required for the modern battlefield rapidly 
into the hands of our operators. And the reason is because they 
need it to survive. And so, we would like to see -- I think 
that is the challenge, not just the lessons learned, but taking 
what we are learning and turning it quickly into real 
capability within our force.
    General Conley. Congressman, I would answer that in two 
parts.
    The first, from my air-to-ground integration force, which 
is my special tactics community, I would say they are 
phenomenal at taking lessons learned and turning them into 
actionable things, whether that is off-the-shelf technology. 
They do run into some of the same challenges that my colleagues 
have mentioned. When we try to scale some of that stuff, we run 
into harder procurement challenges. But they are exceptional at 
learning real-time, adapting especially with small unmanned 
aerial systems, both offensive and defensive.
    On the other hand, I would say, for my aircraft fleet, our 
modifications take too long. They are pricey and just the 
nature of our depot system, our procurement system, they take a 
long time. And my concern is that, by the time we get a fleet 
of 50 aircraft of any flavor updated to where they need to be, 
the technology is already irrelevant. So, it is this constant 
loop of trying to catch up with the enemy threat.
    We largely overcome that by training our way out of it to 
the extent we can through developing of new tactics and 
procedures, but that is only a small piece of what we really 
need as far as advanced modifications.
    General Braga. Yes, Congressman.
    Approximating the problem is critical. Regardless of where 
modern warfare is happening around the globe, we garner these 
lessons learned and pass them back to the Joint Force very 
well.
    Our people are great at innovating, have fantastic ideas, 
but we struggle with rapid innovation, I would say funding, and 
even processes, where we treat similar modifications of drones, 
commercial off-the-shelf drones, and do a modification, but it 
is treated as a major end item in the acquisition kind of lens, 
which sometimes can take months or years. And we are not 
existentially motivated like some of our partners are in 
different theaters out there. So, we have a lot of work to do 
on the innovation funding and the oversight processes to make 
them more streamlined.
    Mr. Crow. Thank you.
    And very briefly, one additional question. I would ask you 
all to keep it to 30 seconds, so we can make sure the other 
members have some time.
    But, you know, I said in my opening that the quality of the 
people is our biggest asset. Can you just speak briefly, each 
of you in your Services, about the challenge of recruiting and 
maintaining the force right now? Because I know everyone is 
challenged across the board.
    We will start on this side, General Braga.
    General Braga. Thank you, Congressman.
    First of all, retention is very high in Special Operations 
Forces, from data pulling that we do, because of a sense of 
purpose and, honestly, family support. Everyone who is getting 
out of Special Operations at the end of their time highlights 
those two pluses of serving inside Special Operations. If you 
want to be surrounded by people who want to perform above the 
mid-standard and have missions of consequence and purpose, you 
come to Special Operations Forces and this high satisfaction 
level.
    We do need help recruiting. We do need help in everyone's 
constituencies of getting our word out. We need to do a better 
job of telling our story, both nationally and at the local 
level. And we are working with the Army for that to tell our 
story better. We haven't always been good at that. So, we do 
have some work to do to improve our recruiting numbers, but 
retention is as high as it has ever been.
    General Conley. I would say for both recruiting and 
retention, we are stable. There's room for improvement on both 
sides.
    I will go back to special tactics. That is an area where we 
deliberately recruit, put them through assessment and 
selection, as they come through. So, that is a small subset of 
a small subset of American population that has a propensity to 
serve and the physical condition to serve.
    So, we have always had a little bit of a struggle 
recruiting enough to meet the attrition rates, but we are okay 
there. Retention is stable, but we have high-quality 
individuals in our formation, and the same people, the same 
reasons we want them in our formation are the same reasons the 
private sector wants to hire them. They want airline pilots. 
So, we try to incentivize them through just the quality of life 
and quality of mission they have.
    Like General Braga said, there is an attraction to this 
mission. So, people want to serve. They want to be part of 
something bigger than themselves. So, I'm not overly concerned 
on the retention piece.
    For our families, I think it is universal; they care about 
schools; they care about affordable housing, and they care 
about medical care in the area. So, that is stuff we try to 
focus on with our local civic leaders.
    Admiral Sands. Congressman, our numbers really reflect the 
intake through the Navy. So, we are really grateful to the 
Navy, and especially Navy Recruiting Command, because they 
bring the talent in through the front door. Once it comes to 
us, we have our Naval Special Warfare Center, which I consider 
to be our most important command. That is where we actually 
make SEALs and Special Warfare Combatant Crewmen. Our numbers 
are good. Our retention is good. But, again, it is just all 
about getting the right people coming through the front door 
into the Navy, and then, into our selection and assessment 
programs.
    General Huntley. Congressman, we are a little bit 
different. We don't recruit straight from the civilian 
population. We only recruit from within the Marine Corps. As 
you are well aware, the Marine Corps has made mission each 
year. More than that, for our purposes, they have kept the 
quality very high. So, our recruiting environment has been very 
good. We haven't had any problems. So, we are in good shape 
regarding that.
    In terms of retention, like my sister components here, we 
have had a high level of retention. Once Marines are able to 
get into Marine Forces Special Operations Command, they have a 
tendency to stay. So, we are in good shape.
    Thank you.
    Mr. Crow. Thank you. I yield back.
    Dr. Jackson. Mr. Scott, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Scott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    General Braga, you mentioned this, but I want to reiterate 
this number. You provide just over 50 percent of Special 
Operations Forces, and you are one-half of 1 percent of the 
U.S. Army budget. Is that correct? Is that what I heard you 
say?
    General Braga. Yes, sir, we receive the majority of our 
budget from Special Operations Command through P11 funding.
    Mr. Scott. Okay. One of the things that we don't talk about 
enough, I don't believe, because it is a very big place, is 
partner forces. Can you speak to the role that you play in 
building capacity abroad and how you measure success in those 
fields?
    General Braga. Yes, Congressman.
    Ultimately, we have a fantastic relationship, global and 
generational relationship around the world, built on the 
bedrock of the last 20 years of counterterrorism missions that 
are now being applied against nation-state adversaries where we 
have a confluence of priorities and aligned strategic 
competitors. So, these same relationships that we work on in 
actually sharing blood and sweat on the battlefield are now 
being applied against new problem sets. So, it is reaping 
dividends there.
    I would say a measure of effectiveness, when we have 
partner forces who are doing equivalent missions as good as us, 
and sometimes better than us, on the battlefield that are 
aligned with U.S. national security interests.
    Mr. Scott. So, Admiral, one of the things that you spoke 
about -- and this is surprising to hear coming from somebody 
with a trident -- you are not necessarily known for your non-
kinetic actions. And you said that non-kinetic was today one of 
the most important decisive capabilities.
    Could you speak -- what I'm interested in is, as we have 
watched the Russians, they have been experts at this for years, 
misinformation, and that is part of what we are talking about. 
But, then, we have space; we have cyber; we have spectrum. 
Could you speak to that issue and why you, as a Navy SEAL, feel 
like that your non-kinetic actions are your most important 
actions in today's warfare? As we have learned from Putin, as 
Patton said, "Russians have no regard for human life."
    Admiral Sands. Thank you, Congressman, for the question.
    The reason I say that non-kinetic effects are the most 
powerful thing that Navel Special Warfare can do for modern 
warfare is because that is where the modern war takes place. 
The most important regions are space, and then, cyber.
    And so, our ability to get into places where other folks 
can't do to enable those activities on behalf of others is 
maybe our biggest value proposition. And so, it is not as much 
about us taking on a target or a single-point structure; it is 
more about us enabling a larger effect for the Nation.
    Mr. Scott. I'm worried about -- and I will give you a 
specific example. I believe it was Mali where the French 
Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance picked up where 
Russians had killed several people, mass graves, and before the 
information could be gotten to the government, the Russians had 
spread through social media that it was the French that had 
killed the people.
    General Braga, you are shaking your head. Do you know the 
situation that I'm talking about?
    And the end result of that, if I'm not mistaken, is that 
the French were kicked out of the country. Is that correct?
    General Braga. That's correct, Congressman.
    Mr. Scott. I mean, this speaks to the importance of speed 
with regard to this new type of warfare that we are talking 
about. And my question is, have our authorities changed, so 
that we can operate fast enough when we see these things, these 
messages, happening in real time to get the countermessage out 
from what the Russians are doing? It seems to me that, by the 
time we get our message out or our countermessage out, which 
would be the truth out, that the effect of the Russian 
disinformation has already occurred and forced the good guys 
out of the country. How do we fix that?
    General Braga. Congressman, we cede the information 
environment at our own peril. It is more important to be first 
in the information environment, to set the narrative, 
especially when you are dealing with nation-states with nation-
state-sized resources against it who leverage artificial 
intelligence, bot farms, and the rest of it. It is critical 
terrain to dominate in the information environment. 
Traditionally, it has been held at a very high level throughout 
the world of perhaps an older lens of risk acceptance. A lower 
level of risk would be very beneficial.
    Mr. Scott. I'm almost out of time. I do think this is just 
the area we have got to improve on with the authorities and how 
we train our partner forces to address the issues in those 
countries.
    Thank you all for your time.
    Dr. Jackson. Mr. Keating, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Keating. Great. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    I thank all of you for your service.
    And certainly demand, I think, for Special Operations 
Forces presence all around the globe is higher than ever, given 
those demands. I mean, even in Special Operations Forces Week 
2024, General Fenton really reiterated during that period the 
greater demand for the character, as the character of the 
warfare evolves, as well as the convergence of our adversaries.
    You mentioned, General Braga, too, the bond that we have 
had with our allies and partners, how important that is. How is 
the interoperability, given what you have all said about the 
need to get specific assets in a timely fashion? What is the 
interoperability with our allies and partners and how can that 
be improved?
    General Conley. Congressman, I can take that one first.
    I would say just continued sets and reps. The more access, 
the more time we spend forward -- you know, I would say to my 
formation that virtual presence is actual absence, and there is 
no replacement for being forward. So, our ability to continue 
to be funded and supported, to be in a forward presence gives 
us those touchpoints.
    And right now, we are reaping benefits of lieutenants and 
senior airmen that had interactions as lieutenants and senior 
airmen that are now lieutenant colonels and chief master 
sergeants that have had those relationships now for 20 years.
    Mr. Keating. And I just want to shift to, General Braga 
mentioned the role as global sensors. I think that is a very 
important phrase that is there. That just doesn't mean working 
with our partners and our allies; it also means working with 
other American entities, among them, the State Department, and 
among them, USAID. And given the cutbacks we have had with 
USAID, can you speak to, particularly General Braga, the 
importance, as part of those global sensors and your ability to 
work in very difficult places in the world, having the presence 
of USAID and other American entities?
    General Braga. Yes, Congressman. I have had the benefit to 
work with multiple embassy teams around the globe, and I think 
we are strongest when we have a unified, synchronized effort of 
all elements of national power for the United States national 
security interests.
    Mr. Keating. Yes, the communication together, and making 
sure there is no seam, there's a seamlessness with that, can 
you comment on that, General Huntley, too?
    General Huntley. Yes, Congressman. Although I can't speak 
directly to USAID, I will say that, outside of areas of 
declared hostility, the interface and being tied into the local 
country team, and specifically, their country plan, then helps 
Special Operations Forces with their capabilities. Whether it 
is civil affairs, whether it is information, or whether it is 
building partnership capacity, if you are integrated with that 
country team's country plan, that is the right way to do it, 
and that is also in a lot of places on the globe where we 
provide a significant amount of value.
    Mr. Keating. Yes, I think it is not only being able to get 
information, sense things in terms of being a global sensor, 
but it is also a situation where you are building trust, and 
that trust is important when you are dealing with our other 
allies around the world.
    Quickly, you know, a lot of this is going to be focused on 
the shift to great power and what we have to do there. Can you 
speak to what is occurring, too, with non-state actors and some 
of those challenges that still remain? The shift that we made 
is important, given what is happening and the character of 
warfare, but also we still have these non-state actors that are 
so difficult. Can anyone give us a little insight in terms of 
those challenges now?
    General Braga. The nexus of non-state and state is, I would 
suggest, growing and I think our nation-state actors will take 
every advantage they can. Whether it is relationships with drug 
cartels or terrorist organizations, violent extremist 
organizations, every facet of power that is available will be 
leveraged by our nation-state adversaries, but the standalone 
non-governmental ones are still threats to the homeland. We 
look at Special Operations Forces as part of that solution to 
address those challenges.
    Mr. Keating. I don't know if anyone else wants to comment 
on that.
    General Huntley. Congressman, I talked about this a little 
bit before in my opening comments. But what we are seeing is, 
particularly non-state actors, their capabilities are 
increasing and evolving relatively fast.
    You know, just a quick, casual look at al-Shabaab or ISIS 
in Eastern African, or even some of the narco organizations in 
South America, what they bring to the tactical fight is, 
frankly, pretty impressive. And they seem to be upgrading and 
improving quickly. That is just kind of where the tactical 
world is right now and that is where it is going. Our ability 
to keep up with that, we can identify that; we know what we 
have to do, but to be able to get those capabilities into the 
hands of our operators or a small tactical units, I would 
describe as critical.
    Mr. Keating. I think that is important, given the nature of 
their ability to deal with AI and other assets.
    I yield back.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you.
    Mr. Kelly, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Kelly. Thank you, Chairman, Dr. Jackson.
    I, first, want to thank each of you. We conduct several 
operations in Mississippi. We do Southern Strike, which is Air-
Force-centric and Special Operations Forces-specific. It is 
very valuable with international partners. I think that is so 
good.
    I talked about earlier, General Huntley, our Marine 
Raiders' training and using those resources. We have Stennis. 
We have several locations. I really appreciate that and I think 
that partnership is really good. I think it helps in a state 
like Mississippi where we have the 20th Group or portions of 
the 20th Group.
    Talking about that, I know, General Braga, that you plug 
into the 19th and 20th Special Forces Groups to help you 
support global things. Is there anything we can do to improve 
those relationships? Against all Reserve and National Guard, 
Special Operations Forces forces that plug into you, what can 
we do to improve that?
    General Braga. Congressman, thank you for the question.
    Like the active duty component entities underneath my 
command, we do struggle with making choices on O&M, operational 
and maintenance, funding for readiness, as well as innovation. 
So, whether it is training for pre-deployment or developing a 
new drone or a new munition, it is the same tension on the 
funding there. So, we do find ourselves making difficult 
decisions of getting our National Guard Forces ready for combat 
and ready for deployment.
    Mr. Kelly. And if any of you have comments? If not, I will 
move to the next question.
    Admiral Sands?
    Admiral Sands. Thanks, Congressman. Just a brief comment 
maybe on our Reserve Forces.
    I would also offer that the condition of our Reserve 
Forces, whether it is in the Army or in the Navy, especially 
our Special Operations Reserve Forces, has really improved and 
it is a huge advantage to us now.
    I was a U.S. Special Operations Command Africa commander 
before this. So, I had the 20th Group deploying out. 
Unbelievable capability and they are really able to back up our 
active duty forces.
    Mr. Kelly. Thank you.
    And just really quick, you know, we have the 127e; we have 
several different authorities that each of you use. Are there 
any new authorities that you think that we can help you get 
that help you operate? Or are there improvements or 
modifications that we could make to the current authorities 
that would help you be better at great power competition?
    General Braga. Congressman, I would say the authorities are 
fantastic. The ability to blend those authorities on one 
singular deployment would be advantageous for us. Whether you 
are deployed and leveraging 127d or 127e, 333, or to build 
partner capacity, the ability to switch between those would be 
very advantageous for us, more flexibility. And I would argue 
again for innovation-type funding that wouldn't challenge what 
we need to build ready combat forces.
    Mr. Kelly. And talking about that, International Military 
Education and Training, our State Department I think has 
prevented us from training almost a decade worth of people, 
military training for foreigners to come here and train, which 
later those guys wind up being the president or a minister of 
defense or the general of their armies or navy or admirals of 
their navies. How important is International Military Education 
and Training in building relationships with states, which we 
need to have great relationships to win great power competition 
in the Pacific and Africa and South America?
    General Huntley. Yes, Congressman, like my colleague to my 
right, I'm a former TSOC commander, Theater Special Operations 
Command. I'll tell you, in South America, International 
Military Education and Training alumni are critical. The 
relationship, just the connection that builds, the affinity, 
frankly, for the United States, its culture, our way of 
government, I think pays in incredible dividends. So, I am a 
huge fan of International Military Education and Training.
    Mr. Kelly. If we don't do that, do our competitors go give 
them training, which is lesser quality, but also changes their 
culture and values by what they learn through the military 
training that they get in our country or another country?
    General Huntley. They will actively exploit that space.
    Mr. Kelly. And then, the final thing is, one of the things 
I really push for is fungible funds that you guys -- and I 
think it needs to be at the two- or three-star level, whatever 
theater we are talking about -- that you can do projects, 
military-type projects, that go through the State Department. 
The ambassador would need to sign off. But we do lots of money, 
we send money to places and we send these things, but there's 
no tangible results that communities can see.
    And I think of what I was in Djibouti and all they needed 
was a foot bridge for some kids. And it cost like $80,000 to 
do, but it was going to take us three years to do it. So, the 
Chinese just built it.
    Would just small-amount projects where you could build a 
foot bridge, so kids don't get run over going to school, or 
those things, would that be helpful to you to build 
relationships?
    General Braga. Congressman, it absolutely would.
    And to answer your other question, International Military 
Education and Training is critical. I stay in contact with two 
of my foreign classmates from the Special Forces Qualification 
course three decades ago. It is absolutely critical to expand 
access and influence with true relationships, not partnerships, 
but these are real relationships.
    Mr. Kelly. Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you.
    Mr. Ryan, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Ryan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Thank you all for being here.
    Building on my esteemed colleague from the South with my 
Yankee accent here, can you talk -- we have talked a lot about 
our capabilities and our capacities, rightly so. Can you 
assess, in maybe 30 seconds each, how do you assess our 
adversaries on where their Special Operations Forcecs 
capabilities are at; where they are going, whether that is in 
some of the influence operations on other continents or, 
specifically, within United States Indo-Pacific Command? I know 
that is a lot in 30 seconds. But just how do we match up and 
what should we learn from our adversaries that you all are 
implementing?
    General Braga. Congressman, thanks for the question.
    I don't focus solely on Special Operations Forces versus 
Special Operations Forces. I do focus on their regular warfare 
approaches and their ability to use all facets of national 
power -- economic, informational, diplomacy, lawfare, 
psychological warfare. And that concerns me, their ease of 
blending all that together for a more holistic effect.
    Mr. Ryan. And are they way ahead of us on that? Or 
significantly ahead of us?
    General Braga. I think there are success stories around the 
globe where they have succeeded.
    General Conley. Congressman, I would say, from a threat 
lens, they continue to improve every day. And it goes back to 
my opening statement, where we can't keep up with the threat 
because it takes us a long time to modify.
    But from a Special Operations lens, I think we remain the 
partner of choice, but that is fragile. You know, our lack of 
investment, or if we take our eye off a particular country or 
partnership, it is at risk of someone else exploiting that.
    Admiral Sands. Mr. Congressman, as General Braga said, it 
is not really a Special 0perations Forces-on-Special Operations 
Forces fight most of the time, right? So, we are going at 
really assessing our adversary capabilities as the larger 
nation.
    And what we see, certainly in United States Indo-Pacific 
Command, is we see increasing capabilities across the board. I 
think everybody is, obviously, tracking on that.
    And then, what you are seeing, also, in places like Russia 
is they are getting greater experience through combat, through 
actual operations. And that is going to improve any country's 
capabilities. So, we are keeping a close eye on that.
    But I would say, at least in the maritime environment, we 
still are out in front.
    General Huntley. I will echo what my fellow commanders have 
talked about, sir. That is really their ability to diffuse 
everything, but also the freedom that they have, or freedom of 
actions they have, to, basically, turn on issues relatively 
quickly. In other words, whatever the authorities they have, 
they seem to be quicker than ours.
    Mr. Ryan. And just kind of building on that, as you were 
saying, General Braga, before, this well-intentioned, but self-
imposed rigidity around our different authorities and what you 
can do, when, and where, I think it is fair to say our 
adversaries are not thinking the same way, to put it lightly.
    And any recommendations that you have to us, building on 
other questions from my colleagues, of how we can give more 
flexibility to you all to match that is something I think we 
are all very supportive of and wanting to hear and push on.
    Switching gears with the small remaining time I have, 
General Braga, I appreciate the time we spent the other week.
    Many of my colleagues may know this, and if so, I 
apologize, but could you just share the 18 X-Ray lessons 
learned around, not just recruitment for you all, but, 
actually, how that has affected the larger Army recruitment 
piece?
    General Braga. Thank you, Congressman.
    Yes, the 18 X-Ray program is critical to Special Forces. 
That is the off-the-street recruiting for Special Forces Green 
Berets, which makes up over 50 percent of our force now. We had 
a different model 20-25 years ago where it was only from the 
Army, but it is a critical lifeblood to our Special Forces 
Green Berets.
    Since we are a high-standards organization, four out of 
five both Special Forces Green Berets and Rangers do not 
successfully make it through our rigorous assessment and 
selection. Yet, they end up being successful non-commissioned 
officers of the United States Army, which is a benefit for the 
Army and recruiting efforts.
    Mr. Ryan. Thank you.
    And again, a lot of you are probably not aware, but I just 
thought it was important to think about, as we are all dealing 
-- other than the Marines, of course, where I was on -- dealing 
with the recruitment challenge. And I thought it was really 
creative and impressive.
    So, I will yield back the balance of my time. Thanks, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you.
    Mr. Van Orden, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Van Orden. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Thank you, gentlemen, for coming -- and, ma'am, in the 
back. It is great to see you.
    This is hard for me to articulate properly. We just, as Mr. 
Crow said, got done with a couple of decades' worth of, 
essentially, Counter Terrorism operations, and right now, it 
seems like Special Operations Forces is kind of looking for, 
you know, trying to find a new home.
    And I would just caution you guys, you know, we talk a lot 
about Unmanned Arial Vehicles and Artificial Intelligence, and 
all these neato-torpedo -- information warfare, and all those 
things. But, really, at the end of the day, a frogman and a 
Raider and a Green Beret and a Ranger has got to be the guy 
that is going to go into a room and bludgeon someone to death 
with their hands. And we can't get away from that. Like we are 
a different breed of people and we have to focus on our core 
competency and that is killing the enemy, up close and 
personal, for real. And so, I just want to make sure that we 
don't lose focus on that, or we will lose, and that will not be 
tolerated.
    So, we have a conflict between the First and Fifth Special 
Operations Forces Truths. You know, "Humans are more important 
than hardware," but also most Special Operations Force missions 
have to be enabled by non-special operations force operators, 
right? And so, I just want to caution you, gentlemen, to 
remember. There is a reason that those are written down. They 
are written in blood.
    So, of course, we need to have enablers. We have to have 
mission specialists. We need to have people that are operating 
these technologies. But we have to have the rifleman, General. 
So, that is just a word of warning. Never forget who we are. A 
tip of the spear, the spear is held in a hand and it is thrust 
into the enemy's chest. And that is how a war is won.
    So, when we are talking about this great power competition 
stuff, we are trying to avoid a global conflagration, right? 
Like we want to stop World War III from happening.
    And my concern is this: if you are not posturing yourselves 
to be able to act in these denied areas without direct 
communications -- we have become so dependent on communications 
and asking for the appropriate permissions, right? So, when we 
are talking about operating in a denied area where command, 
control, communications, computers, and intelligence is, 
essentially, gone electronically, what are you guys doing, as 
component commanders, to push down execution authorities to the 
lowest possible level?
    General?
    General Huntley. Congressman, thank you for the question.
    And if I could address first the part about lethality, at 
our very core, now and forever, we are a lethal force. We have 
talked about the character of war changing, but what hasn't 
changed is the nature of war. So, even though technology is 
rapidly advancing and we are doing our best to keep up, the 
nature of war demands that we still be able to fight close and 
personal.
    Mr. Van Orden. Right on.
    General Huntley. So, we have not changed in that regard.
    I would have to defer questions in terms of what level the 
authorities are to the combatant commanders, to my brothers in 
the Theater of Special Operations Command, but the more 
flexibility that we have, the more that we can provide to those 
combatant commanders.
    Thank you.
    Mr. Van Orden. Very well. Thank you.
    Admiral?
    Admiral Sands. Thank you, Congressman.
    To add onto the General's comments, and especially as a 
fellow SEAL, our basic core competencies are never going to go 
away. Like we can't ever forget that. We don't. When you talk 
about Navel Special Warfare's identity, that is fundamental.
    And then, we also have to do these other things where we 
have to get to the target and it is really difficult to get 
there. And we need to do things that are decisive.
    So, it is not an either/or for us. It's an all of the 
above. And I know you recognize that.
    As far as pushing down the authorities, what we see, 
especially in United States Indo-Pacific Command, is a 
requirement -- it is going to be a different kind of fight. We 
are going to be fighting more disperse. We are going to have 
smaller elements and we have to fight through commander's 
intent, right?
    Mr. Van Orden. Right.
    Admiral Sands. Purpose, method, end state, we have to push 
that down, or we will have commanders who are just wondering 
what to do. So, in the absence of leadership --
    Mr. Van Orden. That has been my experience.
    Admiral Sands. Yes, in the absence of leadership, we lead. 
Or in the absence of orders and direction, right, we lead. So, 
that is the way that we are moving, I think, and I think I can 
say that for all of Special Operations Command.
    Mr. Van Orden. General?
    General Conley. Thank you, Congressman.
    To the first point, well, outside of our special tactics 
community, which is, you know, usually partnered with --
    Mr. Van Orden. I'm totally done.
    A group of your guys saved one squad from SEAL Team 4 in 
Afghanistan in 20 by removing his shirt and waving his arms 
because an Apache got wings level and was going to smoke him 
with the Hellfire. So, thank you very much for saving our 
brother's life, sir.
    General Conley. Yes, Congressman. I mean, I have the honor 
and blessing of working among heroes every day. But we also 
have --
    Mr. Van Orden. I used to.
    General Conley. We haven't talked much about -- I mentioned 
it as a core mission to strike, but we also have a very lethal 
force that is above our Special Operations Forces partners. 
Whether that is AC-130s, MQ-9s, or other things, we remain good 
at that job.
    Mr. Van Orden. General, I apologize, but my time has 
expired, and I would like to give my colleagues the 
opportunity. Thank you very much for coming here today.
    I yield back.
    Dr. Jackson. Thank you.
    Well, we have reached our time here. So, what we are going 
to do right now is we are going to adjourn the open session and 
we are going to immediately reconvene in 2337 for the 
classified session.
    We will pick up in the order where we left off. So, 
everyone can ask their questions in the classified session.
    Before we leave, I just want to make one comment. I want to 
thank you all for your time today. I want to thank you for your 
service to our country.
    I want to thank everybody in this room that is in uniform 
right now for your service to our country, for the sacrifice 
that you and your families endure on a daily basis to keep us 
safe. So, thank you all.
    And with that, we are adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 2:37 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
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             RESPONSE TO QUESTION SUBMITTED BY DR. JACKSON

    General Braga. The Army views their Special Operations 
Forces as integrated, interoperable, and innovating across the 
spectrum of conflict on behalf of the Joint Force. Special 
Operations Command and ASD SO/LIC are currently assisting OSD 
and the services with accurately modeling SOF through wargaming 
and simulation analysis.ARSOF are in high demand. USASOC was 
able to fill 95.46% of validated requirements from Theater 
Special Operations Commands and Geographic Combatant Commands 
for the current fiscal year. We fill what requirements we can 
while maintaining unit integrity, regional alignment, and 
appropriate deploy-to-dwell ratios. If we do not fill a 
requirement, it is either in order to maintain those tenants, 
or, due to a lack of personnel.  [See page 11.]
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              QUESTIONS SUBMITTED BY MEMBERS POST HEARING

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             RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS SUBMITTED BY DR. JACKSON

    Dr. Jackson. Can you provide us the number or percentage of 
requests you receive from the GCC's for support that were not able to 
execute and generally why you are not able to fulfill the request? 
Please include the total number of requests for forces/capability.
    General Braga. USASOC receives requirements from Geographic 
Combatant Commanders or Theater Special Operations Commanders once 
validated by Special Operations Command. USASOC was able to fill all 
but 37 of 816 (95.46%) validated requirements from Theater Special 
Operations Commands and Geographic Combatant Commands for the current 
fiscal year. We fill what requirements we can while maintaining unit 
integrity, regional alignment, and appropriate deploy-to-dwell ratios. 
If we do not fill a requirement, it is either in order to maintain 
those tenants, or, due to a lack of personnel.
    Dr. Jackson. What impact will the cuts to Army SOF have on your 
ability to meet GCC requirements and support the joint force?
    General Braga. Further cuts will have an impact on USASOC's ability 
to generate forces in support of Theater Special Operations Commands 
and the Geographic Combatant Commands. USASOC will continue to commit 
available personnel against prioritized requirements while balancing 
our mandate to generate trained and ready forces. Additionally, to 
mitigate the effects of any potential cuts, USASOC is providing conus-
based support by centralizing select capabilities to conduct analysis 
and planning support to deployed units from home station.
    Dr. Jackson. Can you provide us the number or percentage of 
requests you receive from the GCC's for support that were not able to 
execute and generally why you are not able to fulfill the request? 
Please include the total number of requests for forces/capability.
    General Conley. In Fiscal Year 2025, Air Force Special Operations 
Command received a total of 61 requests from 5 Geographic Combatant 
Commanders to deploy a total of 5,601 personnel - the Command was able 
to fill 47 (77%) of these requests (2,585 Air Commandos). The Command 
remains 100% committed for Force Elements, in addition to Department of 
the Air Force Air Expeditionary Forces (AEF) and Special Operations 
Forces ad-hoc requirements. In support of EUCOM, CENTCOM, INDOPACOM, 
SOUTHCOM, and AFRICOM, the Command has deployed 3.5 Special Operations 
Task Groups, 11 Special Operations Task Units, and 6.5 Special Tactics 
Teams, in addition to 66 ad-hoc and AEF taskings. My objective is to 
provide a lethal, capable, and responsive force to the Geographic 
Combatant Commanders to protect the Homeland and support the 
President's objectives.
    Dr. Jackson. Can you provide us the number or percentage of 
requests you receive from the GCC's for support that were not able to 
execute and generally why you are not able to fulfill the request? 
Please include the total number of requests for forces/capability.
    General Huntley. In Fiscal Year 2024, we received a total of 57 
requests from the Geographic Combatant Commands (GCCs) to deploy an 
additional 134 personnel across all seven GCCs beyond those already 
scheduled to deploy. After carefully evaluating each request, we were 
able to fulfill 3 staff support requests, accounting for 7 personnel, 
with 2 requests supporting INDOPACOM and 1 supporting EUCOM.To provide 
further context, we actively review and prioritize all requests based 
on operational requirements and resource availability. Unfortunately, 
we were unable to execute 54 of the 57 requests (94.73%) due to various 
constraints, including competing operational demands, limited personnel 
and unit of action availability, and existing deployment commitments. 
We are working closely with the GCCs to understand their priorities and 
requirements, and we are exploring ways to enhance our support to these 
critical commands. By doing so, we aim to increase our responsiveness 
to emerging requests and improve our overall support to the GCCs and 
the Joint Force.
    Dr. Jackson. Can you provide us the number or percentage of 
requests you receive from the GCC's for support that were not able to 
execute and generally why you are not able to fulfill the request? 
Please include the total number of requests for forces/capability.
    Admiral Sands. In Fiscal Year 2025 to date, GCCs have requested 
Naval Special Warfare (NSW) force elements and Individual Augmentation 
in support of 79 theater campaign activities validated by the Joint 
Staff.Of these 79 total requirements, 50 were baseline requirements 
(submitted via the annual requirements cycle) and 29 have been emergent 
(out-of-cycle) requirements.Of the 50 baseline requirements, NSW did 
not source 10 (20% unfulfilled). Of the 29 emergent requirements thus 
far, NSW did not source 7 (24% unfulfilled). (Note: Request for 
Individual Augmentation normally include multiple personnel under a 
single requirement.)In aggregate, NSW was unable to source 
approximately 22% of the requirements, generally due to a lack of 
inventory of the force element or service member specialty requested or 
lack of ability to provide the forces on an enduring (vice episodic) 
basis if required.
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             RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS SUBMITTED BY MR. HAMADEH
    Mr. Hamadeh. The Army recently announced a reduction of 3,000 
positions in Special Operations Forces, including cuts to the 8th 
Psychological Operations Group. This decision comes at a time when 
adversaries like China and Iran are heavily investing in information 
warfare and propaganda efforts.Why is the Army reducing its information 
warfare capabilities instead of expanding them to counter these 
threats?
    General Braga. USASOC, as a Title 10 Headquarters, provided inputs 
to HQDA's Total Army Analysis throughout the process. With respect to 
psychological operations forces, USASOC examined where to divest of 
legacy capabilities to invest for the future operating environment.Of 
note, we are also committed to and participate in the Army's Continuous 
Transformation initiatives. To that end, USASOC is integrating its 
psychological operations capabilities within our Special Forces Groups 
to enable more cohesive information operations.
    Mr. Hamadeh. Did the Army conduct an analysis of how these cuts to 
Special Operations Forces might impact our ability to compete in 
information warfare against adversaries like China?
    General Braga. The Army did conduct analysis-and included USASOC in 
the dialogue-on how cuts to SOF might impact the US Government's 
ability to compete against our adversaries. The Army also trusted all 
of its subordinate headquarters, such as USASOC, with deciding how to 
establish the right mitigation methods to meet the intent of TAA while 
preserving capabilities.With respect to psychological operations 
forces, USASOC examined where to divest of legacy capabilities to 
invest for the future operating environment. Of note, USASOC is 
integrating its psychological operations capabilities within our 
Special Forces Groups to enable more cohesive information operations.
    Mr. Hamadeh. Lieutenant General Jonathan Braga 8) Mr. Hamadeh. The 
Army's white paper on force structure transformation states that 
reductions prioritize positions that are "historically vacant or hard 
to fill." However, recent data shows record-high enlistment under 
President Trump's administration.If recruitment challenges are no 
longer a primary issue, why is the Army still pursuing these cuts to 
SOF?
    General Braga. Recruiting remains a top priority for the Army and 
USASOC. US Army Recruiting Command and HQDA are best postured to 
address the broader state of recruiting and separately, the future Army 
End Strength.TAA cycles do not wholly align with other variables, such 
as SOF recruiting and retention-which has its own unique timeline. 
Specifically, given ARSOF's unique training pipelines for our various 
military occupational specialties, broader successes may not manifest 
in our formations for 1 to 3 years. Despite these challenges, our 
standards remain high.
    Mr. Hamadeh. Will you commit to reversing these reductions and 
rebuilding psychological operations teams? If not, will you at least 
commit to halting further reductions without consulting Congress?
    General Braga. HQDA is best postured to address the broader state 
of future Army End Strength. As the USASOC Commander, I understand the 
value of psychological operations and continue to commit to advocating 
for our capabilities based on lessons learned throughout the operating 
environment wherever possible.Additionally, all commanders have a 
responsibility to contribute to information operations. As the 
commander of ARSOF and proponent for three specific military 
occupational specialties, I further commit to increasing the 
cohesiveness of information operations wherever able and making the 
most capable PSYOP forces with the resources provided.
    Mr. Hamadeh. As adversaries like China and Iran continue to expand 
their influence through unconventional means, how is SOCOM adapting its 
core activities-such as unconventional warfare and information 
operations-to maintain a competitive edge in contested environments?
    General Braga. US Special Operations Command addressed its 
adaptation of its core activities in the SOF Renaissance publication in 
late 2024. It is "returning to its roots of unconventional warfare" 
while balancing the needs of readiness, modernization, and operations. 
ARSOF were created for this era and are well postured moving forward.
    Mr. Hamadeh. Given rising demands on Special Operations Forces 
amidst finite resources, what specific investments or policy changes 
are needed to ensure SOF remains ready, lethal, and adaptable in this 
era of great power competition?
    General Braga. Investments and policy are the purview of others 
(such as Congress, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special 
Operations and Low Intensity Conflict, the Military Department 
Secretaries, and Commander, United States Special Operations Command). 
To address the challenges previously described in my testimony, I ask 
for your continued support for our efforts to:
    Establish an irregular warfare headquarters to address 
transregional threats posed by our adversaries.
    Remove barriers to establishing and training multidomain capable 
units of action and the required and associated individual expertise.
    Reexamine our doctrine to best integrate with the Army and Joint 
Force Warfighting concepts.
    Create linkages between USASOC, Space and Missile Defense, and 
Cyber Commands will best enable us to support the Joint Force and the 
Army.As I stated in my testimony, I see several challenges based on 
observations of the current operating environment:
    DoD's funding, acquisition processes, and bureaucracies are not 
optimized to innovate at the speed of need.
    Current fiscal authorities are not structured to meet the needs of 
the operating environment.
    Our people always benefit from the greatest proximity to problems 
but require the right operational and fiscal authorities to identify 
emerging capability gaps, pioneer solutions, share innovations, and 
disseminate lessons learned.
    Mr. Hamadeh. Arizona's Davis-Monthan Air Force Base has been 
selected as the site for AFSOC's third power projection wing under the 
"Re-Optimization for Great Power Competition" initiative. However, this 
transition is currently paused by the Pentagon.Question: Can you 
provide insight into how this pause will impact the timeline and 
strategic importance of transitioning AFSOC operations to Davis-
Monthan?
    General Conley. The establishment of an AFSOC Power Projection Wing 
at Davis Monthan is separate from, and not impacted by, the larger 
Reoptimization efforts currently on pause. The strategic basing 
decision is awaiting National Environmental Policy Act analysis 
completion to move to final decision.The Final EIS Notice of 
Availability was published in the Federal Register on 14 March 2025 
with a review period end-date of 14 April 2025. We anticipate an 
Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) Record of Decision and the 
Strategic Basing Decision to be made in the Summer of 2025 (FY25/Q3). 
(https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2025-04109/p-6)
    Mr. Hamadeh. What steps can Congress take to ensure AFSOC's third 
power projection wing transfer remains on track and supports Arizona's 
8th District?
    General Conley. Fund Air Force Military Construction requirements 
within the Future Years Defense Program to ensure the timely completion 
of the planned 492d Special Operations Wing beddown at Davis-Monthan 
AFB
    Mr. Hamadeh. As adversaries like China and Iran continue to expand 
their influence through unconventional means, how is SOCOM adapting its 
core activities-such as unconventional warfare and information 
operations-to maintain a competitive edge in contested environments?
    General Conley. Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC) is in 
a state of transformation - adapting into the force needed to operate 
in this new reality. Today, Air Commandos deploy through a force 
generation model, providing a repeatable, predictable, and sustainable 
solution to present AFSOC forces. AFSOC counters our adversaries' use 
of coercive statecraft in competition by, with, and through our Allies 
and partners. Leveraging long-standing relationships, AFSOC uses our 
access and placement to conduct asymmetric activities that challenge 
our competitors' capabilities. AFSOC also supports irregular warfare by 
employing Special Operations Air Advisors and other SOF experts to 
conduct specialized activities to enhance our ally and partners 
capabilities for competition and conflict. This enables them to share 
the burden of their own defense. These activities help develop the 
United States as a partner of choice creating interoperable and 
integrated partnerships. Encouraging our Allies and partners to focus 
on areas in which they have a competitive advantage allows AFSOC to 
focus on areas that support our own national defense.
    Mr. Hamadeh. Given rising demands on Special Operations Forces 
amidst finite resources, what specific investments or policy changes 
are needed to ensure SOF remains ready, lethal, and adaptable in this 
era of great power competition?
    General Conley. AFSOC enables the Joint Force by delivering SOF 
mobility, strike, intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) 
and air to ground integration across the spectrum of competition and 
conflict. To maintain readiness, lethality, and adaptability, AFSOC 
must be able to invest now in the things it will need later, providing 
our force with the right tools to prevail across the spectrum of 
conflict, supported by agile acquisitions processes, and reducing 
barriers to unit fielding and employment of emerging technologies. 
AFSOC will modernize via resilient and distributed command and control; 
resilient position, navigation, and timing; modernized data links; 
effective radio frequency countermeasures; crypto modernization; and 
proliferated low-earth orbit satellite connectivity. Future all-domain 
effects must be adaptable and modular, allowing them to be tailorable 
to a range of threats while being survivable. Adaptive airborne mission 
networks will allow a single operator to control multiple unmanned 
aerial systems, providing mass ISR and an expanded magazine of kinetic 
and non-kinetic effects. Our aircraft must be updated with capabilities 
enabling long-range penetration and survivability for strike and 
specialized mobility operations. Our Special Tactics Airmen need 
critical sensing and enhanced communication abilities, robust command 
and control, and resilient air-to-ground integration.AFSOC welcomes 
further discussion at higher classification levels.
    Mr. Hamadeh. As adversaries like China and Iran continue to expand 
their influence through unconventional means, how is SOCOM adapting its 
core activities-such as unconventional warfare and information 
operations-to maintain a competitive edge in contested environments?
    General Huntley. As adversaries like China and Iran expand their 
influence through unconventional means, U.S. Special Operations Command 
(SOCOM) is adapting its core activities to maintain a competitive edge 
in contested environments. At Marine Forces Special Operations Command 
(MARFORSOC), we are proactively integrating operations in the 
information environment (OIE) capabilities, including cyber, space, and 
influence, to deliver strategic effects in support of Geographic 
Combatant Commanders (GCCs). We developed this integrated employment 
concept in close coordination with the Marine Corps, Joint Force, and 
inter-agency partners, and we are now expanding it to additional GCCs 
to address their most pressing strategic requirements.Additionally, to 
mitigate risks in this contested environment, we are developing and 
implementing new policies that standardize personal and operational 
communication mechanisms, techniques, and procedures for both CONUS 
training and forward-deployed operations. By establishing these 
standardized protocols, we are reducing the risk of adversary 
collection and aggregation of unclassified data, which will 
significantly decrease the overall risk to our force and mission in 
support of GCCs. We are taking a proactive and coordinated approach to 
enhance our unconventional warfare and information operations 
capabilities, ensuring that MARFORSOC remains a key contributor to the 
success of our GCCs and the broader SOCOM enterprise.
    Mr. Hamadeh. Given rising demands on Special Operations Forces 
amidst finite resources, what specific investments or policy changes 
are needed to ensure SOF remains ready, lethal, and adaptable in this 
era of great power competition?
    General Huntley. Globally deployed Special Operations Forces 
working with allies and partners in competition and conflict are 
witnessing incredible advances in tactical sensing and lethality, 
especially with small robots. SOF formations are advising and assisting 
allies and partners in the development and employment of capabilities 
that are unavailable to SOF formations because of legacy acquisition 
models (to include requirements generation and test and evaluation) and 
lack of funding to create a small, attritable robot innovation culture.
    Mr. Hamadeh. As adversaries like China and Iran continue to expand 
their influence through unconventional means, how is SOCOM adapting its 
core activities-such as unconventional warfare and information 
operations-to maintain a competitive edge in contested environments?
    Admiral Sands. NSW is maintaining its competitive edge by 
incorporating more man-portable, boat-portable, and vehicle-portable 
combat systems into the tactics, techniques, and procedures for our 
core activities. These next-generation combat systems use advanced 
technologies to increase their power density, mobility, reliability, 
survivability, and lethality. With these systems - which can be manned, 
unmanned, or unattended - SOF teams can mitigate combat risks by 
standing off from longer ranges, advising partners remotely, scaling up 
actions with swarms and automation, and minimizing SOF footprints. 
These advancements enable SOF to maneuver deeper into denied 
environments, remain inconspicuous, target more precisely, and gauge 
our lethality better.which enables SOF actions to more effectively 
support our partners and allies as they are less disruptive and 
destructive than conventional wide-area strikes.In the cases of 
Unconventional Warfare and Foreign Internal Defense, SOF's improving 
survivability and lethality is enabling US forces to provide effective 
support to partners that helps preserve their legitimacy and 
resilience.Smaller, more survivable, and more lethal teams in contested 
environments rely even greater on effective, long range communications 
and information operations.Naval Special Warfare Command (NSWC) 
supports the Joint Force through information Operations/Operations in 
the Information Environment (IO/OIE) by incorporating non-kinetic 
effects to complement kinetic actions and asymmetrically counter the 
activities of our adversaries.We may use the following Information 
Related Capabilities to this end:
    Operations Security
    Military Deception
    Military Information Support Operations/Psychological Operations
    Electronic Warfare
    Cyber Operations
    Space Control
    Strategic Narratives
    Special Technical Operations
    Intelligence Support to IO/OIETo better meet operational 
requirements in contested areas, we intend to continue to increase the 
number of personnel trained in IO/OIE and to leverage emergent 
technologies.
    Mr. Hamadeh. Given rising demands on Special Operations Forces 
amidst finite resources, what specific investments or policy changes 
are needed to ensure SOF remains ready, lethal, and adaptable in this 
era of great power competition?
    Admiral Sands. We still require strategic investments in personnel, 
platforms, technology, and infrastructure to remain ready, lethal, and 
adaptable in this era of Great Power Competition (GPC). We must 
prioritize talent management, budget stability, and interagency 
collaboration to ensure our special operations forces continue to 
excel.First, humans are more important than hardware - and so is 
software! Platforms, technology, and infrastructure are key enablers of 
SOF lethality. In this next generation of warfare, we will pursue 
investments in maritime mobility, electronic warfare, unmanned systems, 
manned / unmanned teaming and advanced sensors. Our intent is to scale 
our maritime SOF capability with robots to enable Joint Force lethality 
and survivability inside denied and contested areas.Second, the 
acquisition communities supporting NSW require more flexibility and 
agility in our budgeting processes. Continuing Resolutions create major 
disruptions and reduce our ability to man, train, and equip "ready, 
lethal, and adaptable forces." A stable and predictable budget allows 
us to plan and execute with greater precision, as well as partner 
effectively with the Defense Industrial Base, ensuring that our 
personnel receive the training and equipment they need to stay ahead of 
the curve.Third, we must prioritize talent management and retention 
strategies within our active duty and civil service workforce. Our 
personnel are our greatest asset, and it's essential that we continue 
to invest in their development, whether through education, mentorship, 
or career advancement opportunities. NSW will continue to work with the 
Navy to recruit the best talent for assessment and selection. This will 
help us retain top talent and maintain our competitive edge.Finally, we 
need to focus on building stronger relationships with our interagency 
partners and allies. As we face more complex global challenges, it is 
essential that we collaborate more effectively across the spectrum of 
conflict - from crisis response to combat operations.

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