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                    UNMASKING UNION ANTISEMITISM 
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                                HEARING

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                         SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH, 
                    EMPLOYMENT, LABOR, AND PENSIONS

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                               WORKFORCE                   
                                                         
                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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           HEARING HELD IN WASHINGTON, DC, SEPTEMBER 9, 2025

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                  COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE

                    TIM WALBERG, Michigan, Chairman

JOE WILSON, South Carolina           ROBERT C. ``BOBBY'' SCOTT, 
VIRGINIA FOXX, North Carolina            Virginia,
GLENN THOMPSON, Pennsylvania           Ranking Member
GLENN GROTHMAN, Wisconsin            JOE COURTNEY, Connecticut
ELISE M. STEFANIK, New York          FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida
RICK W. ALLEN, Georgia               SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon
JAMES COMER, Kentucky                MARK TAKANO, California
BURGESS OWENS, Utah                  ALMA S. ADAMS, North Carolina
LISA C. McCLAIN, Michigan            MARK DeSAULNIER, California
MARY E. MILLER, Illinois             DONALD NORCROSS, New Jersey
JULIA LETLOW, Louisiana              LUCY McBATH, Georgia
KEVIN KILEY, California              JAHANA HAYES, Connecticut
MICHAEL A. RULLI, Ohio               ILHAN OMAR, Minnesota
JAMES C. MOYLAN, Guam                HALEY M. STEVENS, Michigan
ROBERT F. ONDER, Jr., Missouri       GREG CASAR, Texas
RYAN MACKENZIE, Pennsylvania         SUMMER L. LEE, Pennsylvania
MICHAEL BAUMGARTNER, Washington      JOHN W. MANNION, New York
MARK HARRIS, North Carolina          YASSAMIN ANSARI, Arizona
MARK B. MESSMER, Indiana
RANDY FINE, Florida

                     R.J. Laukitis, Staff Director
              Veronique Pluviose, Minority Staff Director
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        SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH, EMPLOYMENT, LABOR, AND PENSIONS

                     RICK ALLEN, Georgia, Chairman

ROBERT F. ONDER, Jr., Missouri       MARK DeSAULNIER, California,
JOE WILSON, South Carolina             Ranking Member
VIRGINIA FOXX, North Carolina        JOE COURTNEY, Connecticut
JAMES COMER, Kentucky                DONALD NORCROSS, New Jersey
BURGESS OWENS, Utah                  LUCY McBATH, Georgia
LISA C. McCLAIN, Michigan            JAHANA HAYES, Connecticut
MICHAEL A. RULLI, Ohio               GREG CASAR, Texas
RYAN MACKENZIE, Pennsylvania         SUMMER L. LEE, Pennsylvania
MICHAEL BAUMGARTNER, Washington      JOHN W. MANNION, New York
RANDY FINE, Florida                  MARK TAKANO, California
                         
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Hearing held on September 9, 2025................................     1

                           OPENING STATEMENTS

    Allen, Hon. Rick, Chairman, Subcommittee on Health, 
      Employment, Labor, and Pensions............................     1
        Prepared statement of....................................     4
    DeSaulnier, Hon. Mark, Ranking Member, Subcommittee on 
      Health, Employment, Labor, and Pensions....................     6
        Prepared statement of....................................     8

                               WITNESSES

    Mann, Kyle Koeppel, Senior Staff Attorney, New York Legal 
      Assistance Group (NYLAG)...................................    10
        Prepared statement of....................................    12
    Rubinstein, David, Ph.D. Candidate, Department of History, 
      Cornell University.........................................    69
        Prepared statement of....................................    72
    McCartin, Dr. Joseph, Professor and Executive Director, 
      Kalmanovitz Initiative for Labor and the Working Poor, 
      Georgetown University......................................   152
        Prepared statement of....................................   154
    Taubman, Glenn, Staff Attorney, National Right to Work Legal 
      Defense Foundation.........................................   162
        Prepared statement of....................................   164

                         ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS

    Chairman Allen:
        Letter dated September 2, 2025, from Keri D'Angelo.......   360
        Written testimony dated September 9, 2025, from Shelley 
          Goldfarb...............................................   362
        Written testimony dated September 9, 2025, from Karin 
          Yaniv..................................................   365
    Foxx, Hon. Virginia, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of North Carolina:
        Article dated August 29, 2025, from www.wsj.com, titled 
          ``Stanford's Graduate Student Union Tries to Stifle 
          Dissent''..............................................   346

 
                      UNMASKING UNION ANTISEMITISM

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                       Tuesday, September 9, 2025

                  House of Representatives,
    Subcommittee on Health, Employment, Labor, and 
                                          Pensions,
                      Committee on Education and Workforce,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:15 a.m., in 
Room 2175, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Rick Allen 
(Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
    Present: Representatives Allen, Onder, Wilson, Foxx, Owens, 
Fine, Walberg, DeSaulnier, Courtney, Norcross, Lee, Mannion, 
and Scott.
    Also present: Representative Stefanik.
    Staff present: Vlad Cerga, Director of Information 
Technology; Maren Emmerson, Staff Assistant; Cabell Fleet, 
Intern; Amy Raaf Jones, Director of Education and Human 
Services Policy; Libby Kearns, Press Assistant; Katerina 
Kerska, Legislative Assistant; Trey Kovacs, Director of 
Workforce Policy; Campbell Ladd, Clerk; R.J. Laukitis, Staff 
Director; Danny Marca, Director of Information Technology; Brad 
Mannion, Professional Staff Member; John Martin, Deputy 
Director of Workforce Policy/Counsel; Audra McGeorge, 
Communications Director; Kevin O'Keefe, Professional Staff 
Member; Alexis Morgan, Intern; Ethan Pann, Deputy Press 
Secretary and Digital Director; Leah Raymond, Intern; Kane 
Riddell, Legislative Assistant; Sara Robertson, Press 
Secretary; Dominico Sassano, Intern; Heidi Schneider, 
Professional Staff Member; Ann Vogel, Director of Operations; 
Joe Wheeler, Professional Staff Member; James Whittaker, 
General Counsel; Jeanne Wilson, Retirement Counsel; Damian 
Arambula, Minority Intern; Ellie Berenson, Press Assistant; 
Ilana Brunner, Minority General Counsel; Zenaida De La Cruz, 
Minority ChCI Fellow; Sarah Holehouse, Minority Intern; 
Alexandra Pernie, Minority Intern; Stephanie Lalle, Minority 
Communications Director; Dhrtvan Sherman, Minority Research 
Assistant; Raiyana Malone, Minority Press Secretary; Kwesi 
Matthews, Minority Einstein Fellow; Kevin McDermott, Minority 
Director of Labor Policy; Eleazer Padilla, Minority Staff 
Assistant; Veronique Pluviose, Minority Staff Director; Banyon 
Vassar, Minority Director of IT.
    Chairman Allen. The Subcommittee on Health, Employment, 
Labor and Pensions will come to order. I note that a quorum is 
present, and without objection, the Chair is authorized to call 
a recess at any time.
    Today's hearing will examine the ways in which unions are 
using Federal law to pursue their anti-Israel political agenda, 
and to harass and discriminate against Jewish workers. Today we 
will hear about how unions, like the United Electrical Workers, 
and United Auto Workers affiliate, A Better NYLAG, N-Y-L-AG, 
would rather defend union members who engage in disruptive, 
discrimination and antisemitic behavior than fulfill their duty 
to fairly represent all the workers they represent.
    We will hear today about how their unions are selling them 
down the river, even though Jewish workers have supported 
unions and been leaders in the labor movement for generations. 
This Subcommittee held a hearing 14 months ago because we were 
concerned about the increase in antisemitic incidents in our 
country and in our workplaces.
    Unfortunately, in the last year, we have seen even more 
tragic incidents of discrimination and violence against Jewish 
people, including right here in our Nation's capital. According 
to the FBI crime tracking data, anti-Jewish incidents are the 
most common religion related hate crime, for a group that 
represents less than 3 percent of Americans, Jewish people are 
victims of roughly 60 percent of all religious-based hate 
crimes.
    Last year, the ADL reported over 9,300 antisemitic 
incidents across the United States, a 5 percent increase from 
2023, and the highest number on record since the ADL began 
tracking antisemitic incidents in 1979. The unions we will hear 
about today have chosen to spend time and money advancing their 
divisive, harmful and anti-American political agenda.
    Furthermore, these unions are throwing sand in the gears of 
the employers, trying to create workplaces that are not hostile 
or discriminatory for the Jewish employees. Take for example, 
ABN. ABN represents public interest lawyers in New York City. 
When employees put up posters around the office celebrating the 
actions of Hamas and violence against Jewish people, the 
employer banned all posters about the conflict in Israel and 
Gaza.
    The union did not go along with this quietly. Instead, ABN 
filed unfair labor practice charges against the employer for 
this policy designed to protect Jewish workers. Take another 
example, the Cornell Graduate Student Union. This union spends 
its time trying to stop Cornell from disciplining students who 
violate school policies. They disrupt campus life and harass 
Jewish students.
    When Jewish graduate students respectfully ask not to have 
to fund this union's activities, the union tries to make them 
pay anyway and threatens to get them fired if they do not pay 
dues, flouting Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Union 
members have rights under the Labor Management Reporting and 
Disclosure Act and the Supreme Court's backed decision to speak 
out against these unions and not pay dues for political 
activities they disagree with.
    Title VII protects workers who want to live their lives 
with integrity and protects them from having to sacrifice their 
faith and their principles to get and keep a job. Unions have 
every incentive to keep workers in the dark about their rights.
    Today we will hand the microphone over to those who are not 
truly represented by their unions. We will discuss how the law 
protects their political and religious convictions and how 
lawmakers could provide additional protection. We might not all 
agree on the appropriate role of unions in society, but I 
believe we can all agree that they should use their resources 
to promote the workplace interests of the employees and treat 
each worker who relies on them with equal dignity and fairness.
    With that, I yield to the Ranking Member for an opening 
statement.
    [The prepared statement of Chairman Allen follows:]
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    Mr. DeSaulnier. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome back to 
all the witnesses, thanks for being here. Let us start by 
saying no one should be threatened, harassed, or attacked 
because of who they are, who they worship, or what they stand 
for. I agree we should do more to combat antisemitism in 
America.
    I also agree with Ranking Member Scott of the full 
committee who has correctly pointed out that while we have had 
many hearings on antisemitism, we have not had one addressing 
racism, xenophobia, sexism, Islamophobia, or similar harms 
confronting workers and student groups.
    As we discuss these issues today, I want to remind my 
colleagues that the labor movement is a large, diverse 
coalition of workers of Americans, including Jewish Americans, 
that has been a significant force in the battle against 
antisemitism. We are fortunate to have Joseph McCartin here as 
one of our witnesses.
    He is a labor historian, and a history professor at 
Georgetown University, who also serves as the Executive 
Director of the Kalmanovitz Initiative for Labor and the 
Working Poor. Dr. McCartin's written testimony details how the 
labor movement has been among the most important forces 
countering antisemitism, and how labor unions are fundamentally 
diverse.
    On a personal note, I will always also note that he 
graduated from the best Catholic Jesuit college in the United 
States, Holy Cross in Worcester, which I just happened to go to 
as well. As Dr. McCartin mentions in his testimony, one of the 
most notable labor leaders, and one of the most amazing 
Americans in our history, was a Jewish immigrant from London, 
Samual Gompers, a cigar maker by trade, and the son of Dutch 
Jewish working-class immigrants, by way of London.
    He was the first President of the American Federation of 
Labor. He is reported to have said, ``To be free, the workers, 
[American workers,] must have a choice. To have a choice they 
must retain in their own hands the right to determine under 
what conditions they will work.''
    Throughout history, unions have been pivotal in advancing 
the conditions of the right of workers. From establishing the 
5-day work week to championing minimum wage, banning child 
labor, protecting workers from being maimed and killed at work, 
the labor movement has been instrumental in building and 
sustaining America's middle class.
    The labor movement created the American middle class, which 
is now under relentless attack. Since returning to office, 
President Trump and his administration have attacked workers' 
right to organize, exposed them to exploitive workplaces. For 
example, President Trump has stripped nearly half a million--
half a million--of Federal workers of their hard-won 
protections in one of the worst, if not the worst, act of union 
busting in modern American history.
    He has also undermined the National Labor Relations Board, 
which is responsible for cracking down on illegal union busting 
for millions of private sector workers. At a time of obscene 
wealth inequality in the United States, union workers enjoy 
approximately 20 percent higher wages and are more likely to 
have access to benefits such as health insurance, paid leave, 
and pension plans.
    Union-represented workers also have the right to resign 
from union membership, the right to object to dues beyond 
representational activities known as the Beck right, which the 
Chairman referred to in his opening comments. Even the right to 
request religious accommodation for nonpayment of union dues.
    Unions are legally required to inform workers of their Beck 
rights. Conversely, employers have no obligation to directly 
inform their workers of their right to organize a union and 
stand up for better working conditions without retaliation. Our 
economic system has been rigged against the working class for 
decades.
    As lawmakers, we should work to strengthen workers' rights 
to balance the playing field, so that workers can afford to 
provide a better life for themselves and their families, to buy 
a home, and to retire in dignity, and give their children a 
better life than they had.
    I look forward to today's discussions. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman, and I yield back.
    [The prepared statement of Ranking Member DeSaulnier 
follows:]
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    Chairman Allen. Okay. I thank the Ranking Member, and now 
we will go to the introduction of witnesses. Sorry, excuse me. 
Sorry. A few legal matters to take care of. Pursuant to 
Committee Rule 8(c), all members who wish to insert written 
statements into the record may do so by submitting them to the 
Committee Clerk electronically in Microsoft Word format by 5 
p.m., 14 days after this hearing.
    Without objection, the hearing record will remain open for 
14 days to allow such statements and other extraneous material 
noted during the hearing to be submitted for the official 
hearing record. I note that some of our colleagues who are not 
permanent members of this Subcommittee may be waving on for the 
purpose of today's hearing. I was in a hurry to get to our 
witnesses, so I almost missed that.
    Now, we will turn to the introduction of our four 
distinguished witnesses. Our first witness is Ms. Kyle Koeppel 
Mann, Senior Staff Attorney for the New York Legal Assistance 
Group from New York City. Our second witness is Mr. David 
Rubinstein, a Ph.D. Candidate at Cornell University's 
Department of History in Ithaca, New York.
    Our third witness is Dr. Joseph A. McCartin, Professor of 
History and Executive Director at Georgetown's University's 
Kalmanovitz Initiative for Labor and the Work Poor in 
Washington, DC. Our last witness is Mr. Glenn Taubman, a Staff 
Attorney for the National Right to Work Legal Defense 
Foundation in Springfield, Virginia, and I trust I got most of 
those names correct.
    We thank the witnesses for being here today, and we look 
forward to your testimony. Pursuant to Committee Rules, I would 
ask that you each limit your oral presentation to a 3-minute 
summary of your written statement. As Committee members have 
many questions for you, the clock will count down from 3 
minutes.
    Pursuant to Committee Rule 8(d), and Committee practice, 
however, we will not cutoff your testimony until you reach the 
5-minute mark. I would also like to remind the witnesses to be 
aware of their responsibility to provide accurate information 
to the Subcommittee.
    I will first recognize Ms. Mann for your testimony.

STATEMENT OF MS. KYLE KOEPPEL MANN, SENIOR STAFF ATTORNEY, NEW 
      YORK LEGAL ASSISTANCE GROUP, NEW YORK CITY, NEW YORK

    Ms. Mann. Thank you. Good morning. I am Kyle Koeppel Mann, 
a Coordinating Senior Staff Attorney in the Immigrant 
Protection Unit at the New York Legal Assistance Group, a civil 
legal services nonprofit. I am also a former member of A Better 
NYLAG, or ABN, a chapter of UAW Local 2325, the exclusive 
bargaining representative that has a duty to fairly represent 
me.
    NYLAG has been a part of my life for decades. It was 
founded by my step grandmother in 1990 as a partner agency of 
United Jewish Appeal, Federation of Jewish Philanthropies of 
New York, which still funds its work. I love the work I do 
helping my clients, and I once loved the office where I did it. 
Like you, I am a public servant because I care deeply about 
improving lives.
    In June 2019 I voted to unionize. I believed collective 
bargaining would mean better pay, healthcare, caseloads and 
workplace conditions. In February 2023, I walked the picket 
line when ABN went on strike. However, in 2024, I withdrew from 
ABN as a religious objector after its crusade against Israel 
following the October 7th Hamas attacks.
    The union turned NYLAG from a place where I could proudly 
be Jewish and Zionist, identities inseparable for me and most 
Jews, into a hostile, antisemitic workplace. For months, Jewish 
staff faced posters glorifying violence against Jews and 
Israelis. ``Intifada Now, Long Live the Resistance, and Abolish 
the Settler State,'' covered NYLAG's walls.
    In one of my many complaints to NYLAG management, I wrote 
that the images called for, ``the destruction of the Jewish 
State of Israel, after the massacre, rape, and kidnapping of 
nearly 1,500 Jews by Hamas, an organization that has murdered 
countless Jews. The rhetoric in these images is not vague. They 
are rallying cries for murdering Jews.
    As a Jew, I feel threatened when I see these and depressed 
that they surround my workplace.'' To its credit, NYLAG 
responded by banning harassing materials that create a toxic 
work environment for many Jewish employees. Instead of 
supporting us, ABN filed an unfair labor practice charge 
against NYLAG for its opposition to antisemitic material.
    ABN has failed in its duty to fairly represent all 
employees. As such, with the Brandeis Center for Human Rights 
Under Law, I, and several other Jewish colleagues have filed 
complaints with the National Labor Relations Board and the 
Equal Opportunity Employment Commission.
    We cannot serve the public while enduring abuse at work. 
Jewish union members have the right to expect that their union 
will fight to remediate toxic antisemitic workplaces, not be 
the ones creating them. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Mann follows:]
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    Chairman Allen. Thank you, Ms. Mann. I now recognize Mr. 
Rubinstein for your testimony.

STATEMENT OF MR. DAVID RUBINSTEIN, PH.D. CANDIDATE, DEPARTMENT 
        OF HISTORY, CORNELL UNIVERSITY, ITHACA, NEW YORK

    Mr. Rubinstein: Good morning. My name is David Rubinstein, 
and I am a Ph.D. Candidate at Cornell University. In fall 2023, 
a bare majority of grad students voted to install the Cornell 
Grad Student Union, CGSU as our official bargaining agent. CGSU 
is affiliated with the United Electrical Workers, UE, a union 
that seeks the destruction of Israel.
    When I objected to campus celebrations of Hamas terror 
after October 7th, a union organizer emailed my whole 
department calling me an apartheid apologist. When Jewish Ph.D. 
students were targeted in their offices, CGSU claimed Cornell 
needed its consent to discipline the culprits.
    When two grad students were suspended for leading a 
disruptive encampment calling for intifada revolution, CGSU 
demanded their reinstatement. When contract negotiations began, 
CGSU demanded that all Ph.D. students be forced to pay union 
dues. I and others lobbied the university to reject this 
violation of free speech and association.
    Cornell promised to protect our rights. President Mike 
Kotlikoff stated that forced association would be ``Deeply 
unfair to our students, and incompatible with our commitment to 
academic freedom.'' This commitment turned out to be 
meaningless. When the union threatened to strike, Cornell 
reneged on its promises and agreed to mandatory dues.
    The sole exception included what Federal law largely 
provided already, that religious objectors in a narrowly 
defined group with ethical and moral objections could pay a 
charity instead. Despite this, Cornell assured us that 
assertions of religious and ethical objections would not be 
challenged, yet when I and others submitted objection letters, 
CGSU subjected us to invasive and burdensome questioning.
    Cornell then caved again and agreed that students must 
allow the union to ``evaluate'' whether to exempt them from 
forced dues. Cornell's Jewish Ph.D. students must now beg the 
union for permission not to fund its pro-Hamas, and pro-BDS 
activism. When CGSU and UE refused to process my objection and 
demanded relative personal information, Cornell and the union 
left me no choice but to file discrimination charges at the 
Equal Opportunity Commission, with free legal aid from the 
National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation.
    CGSU then belatedly recognized my objection, but other 
students' objections are still being stonewalled, while the 
students receive zero support from Cornell. GCSU has since 
denied the existence of even narrow exemptions from forced 
dues. This summer, the union began targeting student objectors, 
claiming we would be fired if we refused to pay them.
    Cornell initially protested, but then settled with the 
union, despite zero change in its behavior. I know multiple 
students currently being threatened with termination for not 
paying CGSU, and Cornell refuses to act to end this harassment. 
Nearly 2 years after October 7th, the situation is only getting 
worse. At Cornell, the union uses its power to shield offenders 
from the consequences for their conduct.
    Recently, CGSU has rallied to support a self-declared Hamas 
backer with a long record of harassing behavior, including 
pushing past police to shut down a campus career fair. Though 
Cornell belatedly expelled him, the university reversed course 
after union intervention. When his visa was finally revoked 
after urging the destruction of America, CGSU backed his 
lawsuit.
    CGSU never misses a chance to protect bullies, while 
threatening to fire those who refuse to fund them. It seeks 
cover by calling this ``protected activity,'' under the 
National Labor Relations Act. I am a registered Democrat. 
Protecting students from antisemitism and forced association 
should not be a partisan issue. It is wrong to make support of 
any ideological organization a condition of earning a Ph.D.
    As the steward of taxpayer dollars, Congress should hold 
Cornell accountable to its obligations under the Civil Rights 
Act. When Cornell allows CGSU and UE to create a hostile 
environment, it must face consequences. Finally, Congress 
should clarify that Ph.D. students are students, not workers 
subject to forced dues.
    This was settled law until 2016 when the National Labor 
Relations Board erroneously classified us as employees. 
Congress should promptly fill vacancies on the NLRB so this can 
be rectified.
    By ensuring degree students are rightly defined as 
students, Congress can end the intimidation and harassment I 
and others have experienced from CGSU and UE. The payment of 
union dues should be strictly voluntary. Thank for your 
invitation to testify.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Rubinstein follows:]
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    Chairman Allen. Thank you, Mr. Rubinstein. Next, I 
recognize Dr. McCartin for your testimony.

   STATEMENT OF DR. JOSEPH MCCARTIN, PROFESSOR AND EXECUTIVE 
  DIRECTOR, KALMANOVITZ INITIATIVE FOR LABOR AND THE WORKING 
         POOR, GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY, WASHINGTON, D.C.

    Dr. McCartin. Thank you, Chair Allen, Ranking Member 
DeSaulnier, and members. I wish to share my perspective as a 
labor historian on the question you considered today. Let me be 
clear that I am not here to represent a union, but rather, as a 
scholar of the American labor movement, which is I would argue, 
the oldest democratic, multicultural, racially, religiously, 
and regionally diverse institution that the United States has 
produced in its 250 years.
    I would like to speak briefly of the character of the 
American labor movement, Jewish members' important role in its 
history, and about how the movement historically wrestled with 
and addressed such issues as antisemitism. My brief opening 
remarks I am just going to make two quick points.
    The first is that the labor movement is a uniquely diverse 
and pluralistic entity, and American Jews have historically 
played and continue to play an important role in its 
development and leadership. Labor has been one of the most 
important forces counteracting antisemitism in America, even as 
it often found its opponents framing their attacks on it in 
antisemitic terms.
    The pluralistic and inclusive labor movement that emerged 
in modern America, and within which Jews have played an 
important role and continue to, was a hard-won thing. It was 
built in a hostile environment where most workers could not 
count on the law to protect their efforts to organize and 
bargain collectively until 1935.
    It was also built by a uniquely diverse working class, the 
most diverse of any industrialized nation. In this context, 
marginalized workers often initially had to build their own 
separate unions.
    Blacks were initially excluded from unions on the railways, 
for example. They formed their own Brotherhoods. Most important 
being A. Philip Randolph's Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters 
whose centenary we have recently marked.
    Similarly, many Jewish workers had first opted to form 
unions of Yiddish speaking workers, founding the United Hebrew 
Trades in 1888. The UHT unions ultimately though affiliated 
with the American Federation of Labor, though the UHT persisted 
as its own organization, ultimately it should be said, giving 
birth to the Jewish Labor Committee in 1934, whose explicit 
purpose was to fight Nazi antisemitism.
    It exists, by the way, to this day as a presence in labor. 
Remarkably, out of this fraught crucible of the working class, 
a vast diversity, and despite employers' conscious efforts to 
pit one group against another, to undermine union organizing, 
and to break strikes, the union movement arose that became ever 
more inclusive over the course of the 19th and 20th Centuries.
    Jewish workers have played a vital role in that history, 
and they continue to. At its founding in 1886, the American 
Federation of Labor was, as Ranking Member DeSaulnier notes, 
headed by a Jewish immigrant, Samuel Gompers, who was elected 
to his post, even though Jews were then far outnumbered by 
Protestants and Catholics within the AFL.
    Nor was Gompers unique. Jewish leaders, such as Sidney 
Hillman, Bessie Abramowitz, Rose Schneiderman, David Dubinsky, 
Clara Lemlich, Jerry Wurf, Albert Shanker, Sandra Feldman, 
Randi Weingarten to this day, have helped to build inclusive, 
multi-racial pluralistic unions that have fought for American 
workers of every race, religion, and color over decades and 
into the present.
    It would not be an exaggeration to say that each of those 
leaders contended at times with antisemitism, but the 
antisemites they fought were typically opponents of the union 
movement who used their very prominence within it as evidence 
that it was somehow foreign, un-American, or even part of a 
worldwide Jewish conspiracy.
    In part because of the minority status of America's Jewish 
activists, they have always understood the importance of 
building bridges across lines of difference, creating unity 
among workers. Jewish influence remains strong in labor today. 
Antisemitism has not gone away, of course. No one can certify 
that there are no antisemites in the labor movement, but where 
it does rear its head it must be combated.
    The history record clearly shows that labor has been a 
bastion of opposition to antisemitism and remains so. Second, 
and very quickly, the labor movement is a democratic movement. 
It allows for free speech and difference of opinion. Much of 
what we will hear today speaks only to that aspect of it.
    These two elements, its democracy, its diversity, can allow 
it to be characterized, but its record I think is clear. Thank 
you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. McCartin follows:]
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    Chairman Allen. Thank You, Dr. McCartin. Now, I recognize 
Mr. Taubman for your testimony.

STATEMENT OF MR. GLENN TAUBMAN, STAFF ATTORNEY, NATIONAL RIGHT 
    TO WORK LEGAL DEFENSE FOUNDATION, SPRINGFIELD, VIRGINIA

    Mr. Taubman. Thank you for the opportunity to appear today. 
I have been practicing labor and constitutional law for over 43 
years at the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation. 
My clients are individual employees who wish to stand apart 
from a workplace labor union that they did not choose and do 
not want.
    I was honored to testify before this Committee exactly 14 
months ago, detailing the workplace harassment that labor 
unions fomented against Jewish and Israel students at elite 
universities, teaching hospitals, K through 12 schools, and 
legal aid workplaces. I am back to report that things are worse 
than ever due to ever more virulent union antisemitism, which 
is actually fostered and protected by our Nation's misguided 
labor laws.
    More than ever since October 7th, my phone is continuing to 
ring off the hook with calls from unionized Jewish and Israeli 
graduate students at the Nation's elite universities and 
interns and residents at esteemed teaching hospitals asking me 
how they can disassociate from unions like the UE, the UAW, and 
SEIU. These unions, or their radical affiliates, foment chants 
of antisemitic slogans, ostracize the Jewish and Israel 
employees they purport to represent, and generally menace them 
in their workplaces.
    In recent months, I have read commentary to the effect that 
what Jewish and Israeli employees are facing in the workplace 
is not a real problem, and that the Trump administration is 
weaponizing over blown charges of antisemitism to tear down 
universities and education. Such assertions are false and 
stomach turning.
    I want to speak about the real weaponization that is at 
play in today's workplace. The weaponization of an archaic 
Federal labor law that Congress passed over 80 years ago, which 
empowers labor unions with unique privileges granted to no 
other private organization in America.
    Today's labor unions are not your father's labor unions. 
Many of today's progressive unions harbor strong, antisemitic 
and even anti-American world views, and they feel free to use 
and abuse the potent power Congress gave them to harass and 
intimidate Jewish and Israeli employees.
    Federal law empowers them to do so in four specific ways. 
First, Federal labor law empowers the unions to act as 
employees exclusive bargaining representatives, even when the 
employees don't want to be represented by such hostile and 
hateful organizations.
    Second, the Clinton, Obama, and Biden NLRBs transform 
graduate students from students to employees, thereby paving 
the way for radical unions to represent them and force them to 
pay dues, whether they want to or not. Third, under the Biden 
NLRB's extravagant view of union power and the Home Depot 
ruling, unions outrageous pro-Hamas activities and even 
workplace intimidation are considered to be ``protected, 
concerted activity,'' meaning union actions that are overtly 
hostile to Jews are coddled and protected by Federal law.
    Fourth, labor law authorizes unions to demand compulsory 
union dues, which allows antisemitic unions to force the 
victims of the harassment to pay for those activities or be 
fired. At the National Right to Work Legal Foundation, we are 
redoubling our efforts to help such employees, but despite our 
best efforts, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, the Beck 
decision, and the Duty of Fair Representation Doctrine are 
inadequate.
    What are the solutions? First, Congress should pass the 
National Right to Work Act to end the problem of coercive 
forced unionism. Second, Congress should enact legislation 
redefining graduate students as students, not employees, as 
they were for the first 60 years. Third, Congress should 
strengthen Title VII to better protect employees of faith from 
union's antisemitism and radical ideologies.
    These would be small steps to restore individual employees' 
right to not be part of a forced collective that takes hateful, 
pro-Hamas views on foreign events 5,000 miles away from the 
workplace. What could be more American than that?
    I want to conclude by saying that Samuel Gompers, who we 
have heard the Jewish AFLCIO Chairman, also said that the 
workers of America prefer organizations of a voluntary nature 
rather than organizations of compulsion. Thank you.
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    Chairman Allen. Thank you, Mr. Taubman, for your testimony. 
Under Rule 9, we will now question witnesses under the 5-minute 
rule. I will recognize myself for 5 minutes. Obviously, we sit 
here today thousands of years after Abraham's covenant with 
God, and the battle still reigns.
    Ms. Mann, you and many of your Jewish coworkers were 
supportive of the union before October 7, 2023. Have Jewish 
colleagues withdrawn from union activities or stopped attending 
meetings due to fear of harassment or hostility?
    Ms. Mann.
    Ms. Mann. Yes.
    Chairman Allen. How does the union's cultivation of this 
hostile office culture weakened Jewish members' ability to 
benefit from union representation and collective bargaining?
    Ms. Mann. Yes. I, along with several other Jewish members 
have obtained religious objector status because we do not 
believe the union can fairly represent us. Some Jewish members 
only attend on Zoom because they cannot face the hatred in 
person. In 2025, A Better NYLAG went on strike for a week. 
Their No. 1 sticking point was not salary, healthcare, or case 
load. It was free speech in and out of the office. The ability 
to support Hamas over its Jewish workers.
    The union has targeted Jews and sent emails members have 
sent emails to other staff members, excluding all Jews in the 
office. There has been no declaration that this was 
intentional, but it cannot be a coincidence that only Jewish 
members have been left off of these emails, thank you.
    Chairman Allen. Mr. Rubinstein, you have filed 
discrimination charges against the union with the EEOC, which 
you included as an attachment to your written testimony. How 
did the unions and Cornell's actions give you no choice but to 
file charges with the EEOC?
    Mr. Rubinstein. Cornell could have denied the union's 
demand for mandatory dues but instead made me proactively seek 
out a religious exemption. Upon contract ratification, Cornell 
claimed I had nothing to worry about because I could 
religiously object by ticking a box on a form. That never 
materialized.
    Instead, I had to beg union bosses for permission by 
sending a highly personal letter detailing the private details 
of my religious beliefs and practices. It felt deeply 
humiliating and degrading to need to beg for permission from 
those engaged in Jew hatred. Even that was not enough for these 
union bosses, and they demanded further irrelevant personal 
information, not only about myself, but also about my synagogue 
and my rabbi.
    At that point, because Cornell was forcing me to pay dues, 
and the union was demanding information they had no right to, I 
had no other choice but to press charges.
    Chairman Allen. Thank you. Mr. Taubman, you represent 
several employees seeking religious accommodations from the 
unions that represent them. Could you discuss whether Title VII 
of the Civil Rights Act provides sufficient protections for 
people of faith in unionized workplaces? Is there anything we 
can do to strengthen legal protections for religious workers in 
unionized workplaces?
    Mr. Taubman. Title VII provides some protections, but as 
Mr. Rubinstein just said, the problem with Title VII is these 
employees are essentially required to beg their tormentors. I 
will say that again. You have to ask the entity that is 
harassing you and tormenting you on your workplace for a 
religious accommodation. That is the worst part of this because 
Title VII requires you to prove to certain level your sincerely 
held beliefs. Who do you have to prove it to? To the union that 
is tormenting you.
    This should be something that Congress can fix, by making 
it easier for people to assert their religious rights.
    Chairman Allen. Could you define tormenting? I mean.
    Mr. Taubman. Tormenting meaning ostracism, shunning, pro-
Hamas activities, telling your graduate students pay dues or be 
fired, while we are out fomenting pro-Hamas activities. Hamas 
is a meatyevil killing terrorist group on the U.S.'s watch 
list, but suddenly its protected labor free speech to support 
an anti-American murderous media evil terrorist group. That is 
what the labor laws bring to the situation.
    Chairman Allen. Thank you. That concludes my questions, 
unless the panel has anything else you would like to offer. 
Okay. Well, I will yield my time to Mr.--Mrs. Lee of 
Pennsylvania.
    Ms. Lee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think it is important 
that we are clear about what is really going on here. 
Republicans are committed to eroding labor protections in this 
country, and they will do anything, and use anything to that 
end. The attacks on workers are relentless, and let us be 
clear, when they attack unions, they are attacking Jewish 
workers and Black workers, and white workers, and disabled 
workers--all workers.
    Just last month the Department of Veterans Affairs 
terminated collective bargaining agreements for workers at the 
Pittsburgh VA Medical Center in my district, abandoning 
groundskeepers, transportation workers, nurses, and doctors. 
Unions, just like our government, are democratic institutions.
    Workers choose to unionize based on majority support, just 
like Cornell graduate workers voted to unionize 1,873 votes to 
80. Unions are also a channel for their members to debate and 
voice beliefs and political issues, just like when UAW debated 
and voted to adopt a cease-fire resolution, 1,067 votes to 570.
    In democracies we are supposed to accept the outcome of a 
vote, even if we disagree with it. As democratic institutions 
unions bear responsibility for protecting their members from 
acts of hate, absolutely, while fostering environments for 
critical and constructive discourse because union members will 
never agree on every point, and they are not meant to.
    Being engaged in a union where you have a stake and a say 
means having uncomfortable conversations, but discomfort and 
danger are not the same thing, and at a time when those in 
power are looking for any excuse to undermine worker 
protections, it is more important than ever that we understand 
and make that distinction.
    Those of us who believe strongly in unions recognize that 
while organized labor may have had a complicated legacy, 
especially considering its history, dealing with, and even 
excluding marginalized groups that today they work to remedy 
that because they know, and we all know that for marginalized 
groups, it is the No. 1 pathway to economic security and a 
place in the middle class. We fight and we work every day with 
unions, just like we do with our own nation's governments, and 
make sure that they live up to their true ideals.
    Unions are institutions that reflect the demographics and 
the diversity of our workplaces, and we have more work to do, 
just as we have more work to do to make our country that more 
perfect union. There is no question that if we actually want 
workers to be protected, we need unions.
    If we want unions to be equitable, we cannot ask them to be 
apolitical. Dr. McCartin, can you speak briefly about the 
history of workers taking political stances through their 
unions at critical times in history?
    Dr. McCartin. Thank you. Thank you, Congresswoman, I'm 
happy to. Unions, from their formation in the United States 
have realized that they have to take political stands to 
effectively defend and advance the interests of their members. 
That was true in the 1820's when the first unions helped to 
launch their own political parties, working men's parties.
    That was true in the early 20th Century when Samuel Gompers 
drafted labor's bill of grievances because the courts were 
attacking workers' rights to strike effectively, to organize, 
and they knew they had to get political to fight back against 
that. That was true in the 1960's when the labor movement 
supported the Civil Rights and the Voting Rights Act because 
they understood that what could be won at the bargaining table 
could be undermined by politics if workers didn't have a 
democratic voice there.
    That has been the labor movement's history. That is its 
stand even today.
    Ms. Lee. Yes, and if I could ask you another question very 
quickly. Historically, how has social inequality coincided with 
the strength or lack thereof of labor unions?
    Dr. McCartin. Social inequality has been in inverse 
proportion to union strength. When union strength is strong, 
social inequality is weak. When union strength weakens, social 
inequality grows. That was true in the 1920's when the labor 
movement hit one of its low points, inequality surged.
    After World War II, when the labor movement was strong, 
inequality dropped. Economists talk about the period of the 
Great Compression because the poorest 20 percent of Americans 
saw their income rise most then. When unions weakened in the 
20th and early 21st Century, however, we have seen inequality 
surge. Perhaps members here know of the recent study by the 
Rand Corporation, which documented that if we had merely 
retained the distribution of income we had in 1973 to the 
present day, the lowest 90 percent of Americans would have 
earned 79 trillion dollars more than they ended up earning. 
That is because of union weakness.
    Ms. Lee. May I, if I can conclude. I just want to say that 
this is obviously not about protecting workers, it is about 
silencing dissent, criminalizing free speech, and chipping away 
at the foundation of our democracy in order to accelerate a 
shift toward authoritarianism.
    Unions are the first line of protection against that, and 
we have to speak out against these attempts to suppress these 
unions. Thank you, and I yield back.
    Chairman Allen. Thank you. The gentlelady yields. Now, I 
call on our great Chairman for his questions.
    Mr. Walberg. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Now, let me make it 
very clear. We are not attacking unions. We are attacking 
abusive union leadership that are not doing what they are 
supposed to do for their union membership. I thank unions for 
the working conditions I had at U.S. Steel South Works because 
of what my dad as a union organizer and others did.
    We are talking about the backing away of protecting union 
workers. We are not attacking unions here, and I think that is 
why the Republican party is now being seen as the party of the 
working man and woman. The rank and file. Randi Weingarden has 
not said anything, anything about antisemitism. To raise her 
name, raises my ire.
    Ms. Mann, your testimony is very clear. Let me go back. 
Have there been instances where the union has chosen to advance 
the interests of those engaging, and I am talking about the 
union leadership, protecting the interests of those engaging in 
harassing conduct over the interest of union's Jewish members?
    Ms. Mann. Yes. Very sadly, the union has doubled down on 
protecting its members' ability to promote antisemitism and 
images that make Jews feel threatened in the workplace. As soon 
as our poster policy was enacted, requiring that the office 
simply be neutral, that nobody posts anything related to the 
Gaza Israeli conflict.
    Mr. Walberg. What is wrong with that?
    Ms. Mann. Exactly, that is all we are asking for. We just 
do not--at 5 p.m. when you leave the office, you should be free 
to say whatever you want about whatever issue it is. You have 
complete free speech.
    Mr. Walberg. American liberty.
    Ms. Mann. When you are in the office you do not have a 
right to free speech, and that is all that NYLAG management 
asked to be done. As soon as that happened, ABN posted 
watermelons all over our office, a symbol of Palestinian 
solidarity, and over the watermelons it says, ``NYLAG violates 
free speech. NYLAG silences workers.'' They continued these 
tactics, holding lunchtime pickets where they walk around the 
office in Keffiyehs holding Palestinian flags.
    They pose for pictures in our reception area. These images 
are visibly seen by clients, not just Jewish members, but we 
serve the most vulnerable populations in New York City, and 
they too are traumatized by walking into our office.
    We have to shield them from the images that surround our 
cubicles and try as quickly as possible to get them to a 
conference room without seeing so many of the intimidating, 
harassing materials that surround the office.
    Mr. Walberg. Cowardly union leadership that is encouraging 
this type of thing to go on, as well as entities that do not 
stand up against it, so I appreciate that. Mr. Rubinstein, 
United, as you have indicated, United Electrical Workers Union 
leadership and the Cornell Graduate Student Union leadership 
chose to help fellow graduate students avoid university 
discipline, and expulsion, and deportation by the U.S. 
Government.
    This student engaged in disruptive anti-Israel advocacy on 
campuses, as well as cheering for the, and I quote, ``End of 
the U.S. empire,'' celebrating Hamas' actions on October 7th, 
and tweeting that Zionists are a ``moral less, soul-less, 
cowardly, inhumane bunch.''
    What do you think of the union leadership using its 
resources to defend this graduate student?
    Mr. Rubinstein. Well, that is certainly the union's 
prerogative to defend such an individual. I want to be clear, I 
am not antiunion, and I believe in free speech, so if they want 
to support someone like that, absolutely fair game, but Jewish 
students should not be forced to financially support that. We 
should certainly not be forced to beg for permission to not do 
so, as Cornell is currently forcing us to do.
    Mr. Walberg. Thank you for nailing that home, the issue 
that we are talking about there. That goes back to free speech 
and freedom in American, thank you. Mr. Taubman, the duty of 
fair representation doctrine was intended to protect workers in 
a bargaining unit who may be in the minority in the union and 
to force unions to represent those people fairly as well, even 
if the union leadership did not like those workers or agree 
with their views.
    Have you seen unions violate the duty of fair 
representation with respect to Jewish employees?
    Mr. Taubman. The duty of fair representation, if properly 
interpreted, would prevent exactly what Ms. Mann and Mr. 
Rubinstein are seeing on their campuse, or their workplaces. 
The problem is that over the years the duty of fair 
representation has been watered down, and it is very difficult 
for employees to use that to protect themselves from this sort 
of antisemitic atrocities in the workplace.
    Mr. Walberg. Thank you. My time has expired. I yield back.
    Chairman Allen. I was a little lenient on our chairman 
there on time, but anyway.
    Mr. Walberg. Less lenient than one of our other members, 
take it from Mr. Wilson.
    Chairman Allen. All right. Mr. Wilson is next. All right. I 
will now recognize Mr. Wilson, from the great State of South 
Carolina, for his line of questioning.
    Mr. Wilson. Thank you very much, Chairman. I am very 
grateful to share a district with you, North Augusta, Augusta, 
South Carolina and Georgia working together. Indeed, Mr. 
Taubman, I appreciate your service as the staff attorney for 
the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation.
    For decades, the National Right to Work Committee has been 
a successful champion across the country for workers who have 
the freedom to join or not join a union. The Right to Work 
Committee is just such an example of freedom and so thank you 
for what you do.
    With that in mind, your written testimony says that some 
unions are weaponizing our labor law to harm Jewish employees 
in the workplace. How are they doing that, and can you give 
examples?
    Mr. Taubman. Sure. As I said in my opening, Federal law 
allows forced representation. Nobody tells you, Congressman, 
that when you want to sell your house you must use a certain 
representative who may hate you and may trash your people and 
your religion. In the union context, Federal labor law allows 
for forced representation. These people are required to be 
represented by a hateful organization. That is the first 
Federal laws protections of unions.
    Then the second one, of course, is forced dues. They are 
told that they have to pay for the privilege of being harassed 
by these unions. This is all a matter of Federal labor law.
    Mr. Wilson. I want to thank you too for bringing up the 
issue of Hamas. We are not talking about people who are 
disagreeing with issues. Hamas, the covenant of August 1988 was 
very clear. Article 7, it states that every Jew is to be chased 
behind a rock or tree until you find the last Jew behind a rock 
and kill him. That is their covenant.
    That is their plan. From the river to the sea, means the 
elimination and death of the Jewish people. We are not talking 
about just a disagreement of a policy. Ms. Mann, some unions 
have chosen to mount defenses of antisemitic activity in their 
units, and in some cases advocate on behalf of union members 
who have engaged in antisemitic conduct outside the workplace, 
particularly something that sounds so innocent, such as pushing 
the anti-Israel boycott divestment and sanctions, BDS policies.
    What do you feel can be done? Does this undermine the 
National Labor Relations Act?
    Ms. Mann. I believe that unions should stick to negotiating 
wages, healthcare, employment conditions. The union should not 
have a political view that is unrelated to its members well-
being in the workplace. Just because unions were once 
politically active, historically, does not mean that they need 
to be now. Times change. We should not have to vote about 
political resolutions on anything about foreign policy that has 
nothing to do with representing individuals in New York City.
    The resolution that was mentioned by Ms. Lee was a 
resolution that was sent by ABN less than a month, or sorry, 
just over a month after 10/13, asking union members to vote on 
whether they support calling the Israeli--sorry, calling 
Israel's attack on Palestine a genocide.
    We should not be forced to answer such questions. It does 
not matter to our workplace. It does not matter to what we do 
for our clients. Political foreign relations should not be a 
part of the union's purview.
    Mr. Wilson. How sad, indeed, genocide of the population of 
Gaza has increased substantially. There is not a genocide, and 
how sick for people to misconstrue what's going on. Mr. 
Rubinstein, you say in your written testimony that you did not 
believe graduate students should be considered employees under 
the National Labor Relations Act.
    Why do you think the graduate students like yourself, as 
young as you are, should not be covered by NLRA?
    Mr. Rubinstein. As Ph.D. students, we are provided with 
teaching assistantships to support ourselves while we work 
toward our degree. Our work as teaching assistants serves as a 
derivative of our primary status as students. Since 
unionization, our primary role as students has become a 
derivative of our part-time job as teaching assistants, meaning 
that we now have a non-academic, third party that holds power 
over the primary purpose for which we came to study in the 
first place.
    Mr. Wilson. Well, thank you for bringing that to the 
attention of the American people. I yield back.
    Chairman Allen. Okay. The gentleman from South Carolina 
yields. Now, we go to Chairwoman Emeritus Foxx from North 
Carolina, for questions.
    Mrs. Foxx. Well, thank you very much Mr. Chairman. I 
appreciate that. I appreciate our witnesses being here today. I 
know this is a very tough issue for you all to be dealing with, 
especially Ms. Mann and Mr. Rubinstein because they are so much 
involved with this, so I really appreciate your being here.
    Ms. Mann, your written testimony discusses how Jewish 
employees are afraid to speak up about the toxic workplace the 
unions created. Why do you believe they are afraid to speak up?
    Ms. Mann. I believe they are afraid to speak up because 
they have already experienced the feeling of being ostracized. 
We never considered ourselves as a separate group in the 
office, but we have essentially been pushed into our own little 
Jewish ghetto, where we can only discuss matters of the office 
with each other.
    We do not feel that the union has our back, and in fact, 
before this last strike many of my Jewish colleagues who had 
not yet obtained religious objector status, felt that the union 
was pressuring them to go on strike because their primary goal 
was not increasing our wages or getting us better healthcare.
    It was fighting the NYLAG management policy that posters 
not be posted in the office about anything related to this 
conflict. They argued again that they have the right to free 
speech in the office, and the union has misled them because 
there is no right to free speech in a private workplace.
    The union has told them that the poster policy is an 
``egregious infringement on our members' speech and a violation 
of labor law.''
    Mrs. Foxx. What you are talking about sounds so much like 
what happened in Germany a long time ago, and we have all said 
never again this kind of thing can never happen again. Mr. 
Rubinstein, your written testimony includes exhibits of many 
emails documenting how the union and Cornell have tried to 
enforce the forced dues clause in the collective bargaining 
agreement.
    Could you discuss whether the union has communicated to 
graduate students clearly and honestly what their rights and 
obligations are with respect to the union?
    Mr. Rubinstein. It has not. We have the right to object to 
union dues on religious, ethical, or moral grounds, and yet the 
union has consistently represented that all graduate students 
are forced to pay dues or agency fees to the union, negating 
that third option.
    Mrs. Foxx. What do you think could be done to make sure 
that people in unionized workplaces like yours know their 
rights?
    Mr. Rubinstein. Well, the first answer to that is that one 
should not be forced to go through a burdensome and time-
consuming exemption procedure in order not to fund a union that 
one does not wish to support. Union dues should be voluntary. 
While Cornell is locked into a contract with forced dues, the 
university should make clear that all exemptions will be 
recognized.
    That the individuals do not need to beg for the unions' 
permission, with the union being given free rein to obstruct, 
ignore or deny visa exemptions. The university can recognize 
them.
    Mrs. Foxx. Mr. Taubman, Mr. Rubinstein's written testimony 
and what he has said verbally, discuss receiving an intrusive 
questionnaire from the union, which he is alluding to again 
when he tried to obtain a religious accommodation. What 
responses have your clients at other workplaces received when 
they invoke their rights under Title VII of the Civil Rights 
Act?
    Mr. Taubman. The first response that the UE union gave my 
clients at MIT, who were Jewish, was to write them a letter 
saying, ``Jews can't object to our union because our founder 
was Jewish.'' They told these people that they know more about 
their Judaism and their religious beliefs than they do.
    Since that time, the union has been sending these invasive 
questionnaires, and this has happened at Stanford. This has 
happened at Cornell. This has happened at other schools. They 
try to conduct a little mini inquisition to harass and delay 
and prevent these people from exercising their religious 
liberties under Title VII.
    Mrs. Foxx. Thank you, and I think the term you used earlier 
about torture is certainly very appropriate. Mr. Chairman, I 
ask unanimous consent to insert in the record an article from 
the Wall Street Journal, August 29th, Stanford's Graduate 
Student Union Tries to Stifle Dissent.
    Chairman Allen. Without objection.
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    Mrs. Foxx. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Chairman Allen. The gentlelady yields back. Next is Ranking 
Member Scott for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Scott. Go ahead. Could you call on Mr. Courtney?
    Chairman Allen. Mr. Courtney is recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Courtney. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank 
you to Ranking Member Scott. I apologize, a lot going on today, 
but I did read, again, the witnesses' statements, and again, 
you know, I want to thank all of you for being here, and the 
effort that you put into your testimony.
    Ms. Mann, in particular, I found your testimony to be 
actually quite powerful in terms of just telling your story. As 
a former public defender, I sort of identify a little bit, at 
least with the mission of the legal aid, and you're obviously 
very passionate about your clients in terms of trying to, you 
know, advocate for fairness and justice, you know, in the 
system.
    You know, that is not for the faint of heart. I can 
personally attest to that. Obviously, you also, you know, 
described your sort of, you know, your sort of foundational 
feelings about unions a little bit. I guess the one question I 
just really wanted to ask you was that you know, after reading 
your testimony, and you know, there are some really important 
issues that everybody has raised in their testimony.
    There is obviously also another sort of agenda here, which 
is to pass a National Right to Work Law, and I just was curious 
just to hear what your thoughts were about whether or not that 
somehow, you know, would be a solution to you know the problem 
that has been identified here because that would be a fairly 
blunt instrument, you know, in terms of the rights of workers 
who again belong to unions that are actually doing good things 
for themselves.
    Ms. Mann. Yes, there is--the union members that I work 
with, while they have been told that they are aware of their 
rights, most of them did not know that they had the right to 
file for religious objector status.
    Mr. Courtney. I understand that. I am really talking about, 
like we are here as Members of Congress to deal with 
legislation, and there is a bill to pass a National Right to 
Work Law, and that is really my question. I mean do you feel 
that that is something Congress should take up, and that would 
be a solution in terms of, you know, really radically rewriting 
the labor laws of this country?
    Ms. Mann. I think as Mr. Rubinstein said, the labor laws 
need to be addressed under the current framework, and then NLRB 
should take up the claims that we filed with them about an 
unfair representation and the duty to represent.
    Mr. Courtney. Thank you. Right to work, I mean it is really 
just, as I said, it is a far blunter sort of instrument in 
terms of addressing this issue, and I certainly agree with you 
about, you know, having the NLRB act swiftly. It did not help 
matters that the President almost the day after he was 
inaugurated, basically fired a member, and they do not have a 
functioning quorum, so that, you know, the goal of actually 
having timeliness in terms of taking up issues has been 
paralyzed by this administration.
    Dr. McCartin, as some of my colleagues know, I kind of 
always track the Gallup poll in terms of American public 
opinion regarding labor unions. They have been asking this 
question since the 1930's. Actually a few days ago they did 
their 2025 update, and again it was a 68 percent approval 
rating.
    It is eight straight years now that it has exceeded 60 
percent, and I have been around long enough in this Committee 
to remember when it was much lower than that. I just wondered 
if you would just sort of comment in terms of particularly at a 
time when we are watching health care get cut through H.R. 1, 
the exchange premiums are about to be devastated, and rates are 
going to skyrocket literally within days. We are going to get 
those numbers.
    In terms of just what is driving that popularity because of 
the economic insecurity that working people feel in this 
country.
    Dr. McCartin. The weakening of unions in general is one of 
the things that is contributing to growing inequality to the 
impact, the adverse impact, of the kind of cuts that you are 
talking about, and what they will have. Fighting for a National 
Right to Work Act, as Mr. Taubman is calling for, is not going 
to solve the problem of antisemitism or improve the bargaining 
power of workers.
    It is really a non sequitur when it comes to the question 
that we are considering here today as well. That is, the unions 
promote antisemitism. Union members have rights. There has been 
lots of talk that--unions are not properly defending their 
members, representing them today.
    I would assert that they represent their members as well as 
anybody on this panel represents their constituents. That does 
not mean that your constituents agree with everything you do, 
they do not. That does not make your positions any less 
legitimate. That is what unions are about: representing people. 
They might not do it to the satisfaction of every member.
    We have heard from both Ms. Mann and Mr. Rubinstein that 
they do not want to support an organization, okay, that they 
object to, and they are not. They have the right not to and 
they are not.
    Mr. Onder. [presiding]. The time has expired. The Chair now 
recognizes himself for 5 minutes. Thank you to all the 
witnesses here today. I will begin with the principle that I 
think everyone should agree with, no employee should be 
required as a condition of their employment to financially 
support a political agenda or candidate that he or she opposes.
    This is an application of the First Amendment, and a 
cornerstone of American liberty. The Supreme Court agrees in 
Janus v. AFSCME. The Supreme Court recognized that Federal 
employees' First Amendment rights are violated when employees 
who are not members of the union are forced to pay agency fees.
    The Court said that such agreements violate, ``the free 
speech right of non-members by compelling them to subsidize 
private speech on matters of substantial public concern.'' 
Given that government unions, everything they do have to do 
with matters of public concern, free speech would be violated.
    It is great that government employees' First Amendment 
rights are protected, but what about private sector workers? 
The Supreme Court case, Communication Workers of America v. 
Beck, partially protects employees from being forced to 
contribute to political causes they disagree with.
    It is clear from the witness testimony today that Beck is 
not strong enough. At Cornell University, Mr. Rubinstein and 
his Jewish friends were continually harassed by their graduate 
student union for refusing to fund their affiliate union's pro-
Hamas agenda.
    At the New York Legal Assistance Group, Ms. Mann and her 
Jewish colleagues fear expressing support for Israel in their 
office because of the antisemitic climate created by the union, 
even though she was exercising her back out, opt-out rights. 
Mr. Taubman, you helped litigate CWA v. Beck, why is Beck 
insufficient today for Jewish employees and those who for other 
reasons do not want to support their union's politics?
    Mr. Taubman. Beck is inadequate first of all because many 
employees have no idea that it exists, and unions have no 
incentives to tell them because if they find out then the union 
gets less money. Second of all, look at what happened with UE 
at MIT. People filed Beck objections in 2004 and 2005, and the 
UE gave them financial disclosure from 2018 and 2019--five and 
6 year old financial disclosure, so how are people supposed to 
know what the union is doing with their money when the union 
will not open up their books to tell them?
    I just want to address this point about right to work that 
Congressman Courtney paints this as some kind of radical thing. 
Right to work. It is called free choice in America. No one 
tells you what church to join. No one tells you to join the 
Elks Club or not join the Elks Club. No one tells you to join 
the AAA for your car, but Federal law tells you join this 
union, this Hamas supporting terror organization, or we will 
get you fired.
    I could show you hundreds of threats to get employees 
fired. That is American. Okay. Free choice in America to join a 
private organization. Unions are not government. Unions are a 
private organization, and I think it is a disgrace that any 
American has to fund a private organization that they do not 
want to.
    Mr. Onder. It is sometimes said that these unions have been 
chosen in a certification election, but many times that 
happened decades, or even generations ago. Do you care to 
comment?
    Mr. Taubman. I think the last statistics I saw was that 90-
some percent of employees have never voted for the union that 
represents them, and even if they have, I can tell you from 
experience trying to decertify a union is difficult, if not 
impossible.
    Mr. Onder. I think Mr. Rubinstein alluded to this, and you 
may know the law on this. I have not heard of this phenomenon 
before of having to go to your union and apply for a religious 
exemption. What is that all about?
    Mr. Taubman. What that is all about is under Title VII, you 
have to show that you have a sincerely held religious belief. 
Who do you go to to apply and prove that you have a sincerely 
held religious belief? The party that is forcing you to pay the 
dues. In this case, it is either Cornell and/or the union.
    Mr. Onder. The party that is taking your money. Well, thank 
you. I yield back. Ranking Member Scott is recognized for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Scott. Thank you, and I thank all our witnesses for 
coming. Mr. McCartin, we have heard a lot about the Right to 
Work Law and some of the things that people do not like about 
it. If you are in a right to work State and not joining the 
union, did not pay any dues, do you get the benefits of all of 
the benefits that have been achieved by the unions, like higher 
pay, safer workplace, better benefits? Do you get individual?
    Dr. McCartin. Yes, you do.
    Mr. Scott. Do you get individualized representation to the 
same degree as dues paying members?
    Dr. McCartin. That is correct.
    Mr. Scott. I do not hear any complaints about that?
    Dr. McCartin. No. In fact, right now if Mr. Rubinstein had 
a grievance with Cornell University, the union that he is 
attacking would be compelled to defend him in that grievance.
    Mr. Scott. Thank you. If you find that you said if you have 
found religious or racial discrimination in a union, you can go 
to the EEOC. Is that right?
    Dr. McCartin. That is correct.
    Mr. Scott. The funding in the Republican budgets have cut 
the EEOC?
    Dr. McCartin. Yes, they have.
    Mr. Scott. Okay. Now, antisemitism is a problem in society. 
Is it more or less of a problem in unions?
    Dr. McCartin. I would say that it is less of a problem in 
unions because unions have long understood that antisemitism is 
a threat to the whole idea of a union.
    Mr. Scott. Are there problems with racism, Islamophobia, 
homophobia, gender-based discrimination in society?
    Dr. McCartin. That is true, and unions have understood that 
they needed to fight those.
    Mr. Scott. Is that problem more or less than in society?
    Dr. McCartin. I would say less. The union movement has been 
a force against all of those things.
    Mr. Scott. Were gender and racial pay differences, on the 
pay differences, more or less in unions or in the general 
public?
    Dr. McCartin. They are less in unions.
    Mr. Scott. That is because everybody gets equal pay for 
equal work in a union contract?
    Dr. McCartin. Unions fight for their members on a basis of 
equality.
    Mr. Scott. We have heard about the religious exemption. Is 
there a similar exemption if a Black person were to decide that 
the union was run by racists. Do they have a way to get out?
    Dr. McCartin. They can go to the EEOC, but to my knowledge 
not a similar way.
    Mr. Scott. Thank you. I yield back.
    Mr. Onder. The gentleman yields back. The Chair next 
recognizes Mr. Fine for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Fine. Well, thank you Mr. Chairman. Look, I want to 
start by apologizing to those of you, particularly the two of 
you on my left. You have had to deal with this. I understand 
what it is like to deal with antisemitism. I dealt with it my 
whole life. Ironically, you know, the institution I went to 35 
years ago where the problem is widespread today, it does not 
really exist today.
    I am also angry. I mean what is clear is that Muslim terror 
has come to the United States, and it exists in our 
universities. I noted in your testimony, just to give a couple 
of interesting points about it before I get to my question. Ms. 
Mann, you talked about the first example of pro-Muslim terror 
stuff in your institution on October the 13th. Mr. Rubinstein, 
in your testimony you talked about it on October 25th at 
Cornell. I read your statements before I got here.
    Israel did not send ground forces into Gaza until October 
the 27th, so to be clear, the Muslim terrorists were focused 
through your institutions on spewing their propaganda and hate 
before Israel had even responded, and that just shows you how 
the kind of evil that we are dealing with.
    The good news is thanks to the Chairman and others up here 
we are willing to fight that fight. I have few questions for 
you, for the two of you. Ms. Mann, you testified about how the 
union contributed to the culture in your workplace. Could you 
tell us--the best is not the right word, the worst examples in 
the communication of antisemitic tropes or conspiracy theories 
in the multitude of things that you have gone through?
    Ms. Mann. I would say that the posters that said, ``From 
the river to the sea,'' were definitely the worst of what I 
saw, or.
    Mr. Fine. How do you interpret from the river to the sea? 
What does that mean to you?
    Ms. Mann. To me, that means it is a call for the 
destruction of Israel, for the elimination of Israel, for the 
elimination of Jews. I interpreted that as them calling for my 
removal from existence.
    Mr. Fine. By the way, you would not be wrong in having that 
view. That is exactly what it means because if you look at 
places where those folks have taken over, the best example for 
example is Bethlehem when it was under Israeli control was 85 
percent Christian, and now it is 10 percent today. That is a 
part of from the river to the sea that they have taken control 
of, and they have endeavored to effectively launch a genocide 
of those who are not like them.
    You have accurately described what is going on. Mr. 
Rubinstein, in your written testimony, you include an 
attachment, a petition that Cornell graduate students signed to 
express opposition to Cornell entering into a union shop 
agreement with the graduate student union.
    Half the students who signed the petition signed it 
anonymously. They did not--they put their academic department, 
but they did not put their name. Why do you think so many 
students signed that petition anonymously?
    Mr. Rubinstein. Yes. I actually signed that petition 
anonymously myself in early 2024. The reason being after 
students became signing that petition the union dispatched its' 
agents to meet with friends, with colleagues of signatories in 
order to turn those closest to them against them.
    The union is engaging in this targeted personal harassment 
of anyone who publicly stands against them, and many people 
simply did not feel comfortable exposing themselves.
    Mr. Fine. Then in an institution that wants to parade 
around talking about academic freedom, and let us all, you 
know, peace, love and talk, you are saying that graduate 
students, not like 18-year-old freshmen, but graduate students 
did not feel like they could put their own name on a petition 
without facing harassment from those behind Muslin terror?
    Mr. Rubinstein. Cornell cannot claim to support academic 
freedom when it lets its students be harassed for expressing 
their views, and when it additionally forces students to 
support an ideological organization.
    Mr. Fine. We know why the unions do this. We have talked a 
lot about it today. Why do you think in your case, Mr. 
Rubinstein, why do you think Cornell puts up with it? I mean 
why do they allow it?
    Mr. Rubinstein. Cornell knows that this is wrong. President 
Michael Kotlikoff actually put out a very strong statement 
against mandatory dues, which----
    Mr. Fine. He is weak?
    Mr. Rubinstein [continuing]. As a violation of academic 
freedom, but ultimately Cornell is responsive to public 
pressure. After the union threatened to strike, President 
Kotlikoff reneged on his promises to protect us, and I think 
that public pressure-is the only thing that will force Cornell 
to change course now.
    Mr. Fine. Well, public pressure or the law. I think this 
Committee under Chair Walberg has made clear that we are coming 
for the universities that will not protect their Jewish 
students, and maybe Cornell will find themselves in your seat 
here in the not too distant future. I do not know. I again, I 
am angry for you. I have two Jewish children too, and I know 
what it is like to go through what you all have gone through 
myself, having dealt with it my whole life.
    I am sorry we have failed you to solve the problem, but 
rest assured there are me and my colleagues who are determined 
to get to the bottom of it and put an end to their scourge. 
Thank you for being here, and Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Onder. The gentleman yields back. The Chair recognizes 
Ranking Member DeSaulnier for 5 minutes.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Thanks. I defer to Mr. Owens and wait my 
turn.
    Mr. Onder. The Chair recognizes Representative Owens for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair, I appreciate 
you convening this hearing today on union antisemitism, and I 
want to thank the witnesses for coming here to testify. I just 
want to start off by saying that Utah is a right to work State. 
It is also one of the most attractive states in the union 
because unions there know they have to compete for their people 
to pay them.
    If they are antisemites, or if they are antiblack, then we 
just do not--they do not pay in, they do not survive, so that 
is the very good thing to bring in, the competition piece of 
this. It is really disgusting that some unions are spending 
their time advancing antisemitic and anti-Israel priorities 
instead of addressing the immediate needs of their members.
    Imagine the same unions would have advocate the issues that 
actually impact the well-being of their members, all their 
members, instead of paying for the support of hateful leftist 
politicians or politics. I hope that these union leaders are 
watching and will get the message. Do your job. Stop the 
antisemitic activity among your ranks.
    You are paid a very good salary to protect your members 
against hate. Your failure to do so now, and your cowardly 
silence is deafening. Let me just start of Mr. Taubman, I just 
want to ask you real quickly, I know you have been addressing 
this a little bit already.
    The way it is set up right now, if there was a union that 
was run by KKK supporters, the way it is set up right now, 
would I be forced if I worked for that company to pay these KKK 
folks to continue moving on? Is that the way it is set up at 
this point? Do I have a way of getting out of that?
    Mr. Taubman. Well, that is the way that you would have to 
pay if you worked in a right to work State. If you are in the 
25 or so states that have forced unionism, and you have a KKK 
union, you will pay them or you will be fired. Yes, you could 
try to exercise Beck rights. Yes, you might be able to try to 
exercise Title VII rights, but the bottom line is the default 
position is pay that union or you will be fired.
    Mr. Owens. It is amazing that those who are pro-Hamas, who 
are nothing but KKK, feel they have a right to demand people 
paying them when they hate them. It is amazing to see that we 
are having this in 2025, we are having this conversation. Mr. 
Rubinstein, you mentioned requesting religious accommodation. 
Can you kind of go through that process?
    You mentioned that it was very frustrating, but tell us 
what that looked like for you to try to get something in this 
process done
    Mr. Rubinstein. Upon contract ratification, Cornell 
University promised that I could religiously object by doing no 
more than ticking a box on a form, and yet that form never 
materialized, and instead I needed to beg union officials for 
permission to object by writing a highly personal letter, 
detailing private information that's none of their business.
    Even after I did that, they demanded further intrusive 
information that they have absolutely no right to, at which 
point I decided that if I did not want to pay the union, I had 
no choice but to file legal charges against them. That is not 
the ticking a box on a form that Cornell promised.
    Mr. Owens. Well, I am going to give my time away, and I 
will give it back, but I just want to say this. We are in 2025, 
I am so thankful that we have a President, we have a body now 
that understands this, and we are going to have the right 
people sitting in front of us explaining why allowing unions to 
hate their folks, and continue to survive, how that happens in 
2025, so thank you guys for being here before us, and we are 
going to continue to followup on this conversation big time, 
and I yield back.
    Chairman Allen. I thank the gentleman for yielding, and now 
I will call on Ranking Member DeSaulnier for his questions.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I want to 
thank the witnesses and Ms. Mann and Mr. Rubinstein. As a very 
pro-labor person, and as someone who was a member of the 
Teamsters and the AFL-CIO, I am appalled at what happened to 
you, and I would love to discuss it individually if you would 
care to.
    Mr. McCartin, I could spend more than 5 minutes, we will 
talk later, but the history, as Santayana said, ``For those who 
forget history, they're condemned to repeat it.'' This is a 
pattern, so if we want to talk about unions as a countervailing 
institution, I am particularly interested. I have a chart I use 
regularly at town halls reflecting what you said about union 
membership and opportunity in this country for the middle 
class, they track evenly.
    Samuel Gompers, I have to talk about this just because as 
someone who loves Teddy Roosevelt. There, Gompers is showing 
Teddy Roosevelt the tenements not far from his house, as a son 
of privilege. That instance where Roosevelt switched from being 
a Harvard son of this caste system in America, to understanding 
of what it was like to live in those kind of environments, and 
how that changed the American union movement.
    Talk a little bit about, we could easily be having a 
hearing right now, with all due respect, about the business 
community and antisemitism in corporate board rooms, but let us 
talk about the context of why unions are important for 
equality. Can you give us a little framework on why it is so 
important, and how people like Samuel Gompers, not just him, 
and you alluded to this in your, you did not allude to it, you 
mentioned it in your opening comments, that they were part of 
the fabric of creating a strong middle class.
    Without them Jewish Americans, and the labor movement, we 
would not have had the American middle class that now is under 
attack again. We are at the second coming of the Gilded Age, 
which created that moment of history in southern Manhattan when 
Gompers took Teddy Roosevelt to the cigar manufacturers.
    Dr. McCartin. Thank you, Congressman. Yes, what unions did 
is they brought diverse workers together to give them 
bargaining power, and that is what built the middle class that 
you are talking about. To do that they had to bring diverse 
people together to do it.
    They often faced being caricatured in the way we have heard 
today, as they attempted to do that. For example, the idea of 
unions as an outside agitator. Samuel Gompers was often called 
that. The idea that unions are somehow disconnected, that they 
are union bosses.
    You know, it has been a lot of energy talking about the 
United Electrical Workers here today. Mr. Rubinstein, Mr. 
Taubman together had 255 pages of testimony about the UE. Not 
once in those 255 pages did the name Carl Rosen appear. Who is 
Carl Rosen? He is the son of a Jewish worker. He leads that 
union now, and he has being attacked here as a supporter of 
Hamas.
    I would urge anybody on this Committee to go to the website 
of the United Electrical Workers and see if they endorse and 
embrace Hamas. Since Samuel Gomper's time, and you will find 
that they do not. Since Samuel Gomper's time, this is the kind 
of attack labor has faced.
    Mr. Taubman has told you for 43 years he has fought unions. 
He says these unions are not your father's labor unions. He did 
not like our father's labor unions either. He was fighting them 
43 years ago. Then he might not have been talking about 
antisemitism, now he is.
    At the very moment that he is bringing these cases forward, 
he is also bringing another case forward at Cornell of a 
student who is not alleging antisemitism at all, but just does 
not believe that they should be in a graduate student union. 
Mr. Taubman at one point said that Samuel Gompers said unions 
ought to be voluntary.
    Samuel Gompers might have, if you pulled that out of 
context somewhere, said something like that, but he fought his 
whole life for the idea of a union shop being a very American 
thing. That was what he was dedicated to. To portray him in 
this way, to caricature him, and to caricature so many of the 
people we have heard caricatured here. It breaks face with that 
image that we are talking about Congressman, of Gompers 
enlightening Roosevelt.
    We need a little bit more of that kind of enlightenment I 
would say.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. I just conclude by the observation of 
somebody who is a proud Californian, in the fourth largest 
economy in the world, that is very strongly union, over 65 
percent of the U.S. GDP comes from states that are not right to 
work states. I yield back.
    Chairman Allen. The gentleman yields. Now, we will call on 
Ms. Stefanik from New York for your questions.
    Ms. Stefanik. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to direct my 
questions to Ms. Kyle Koeppel Mann, regarding the concerning 
rise of antisemitism in certain union organizations in New York 
State. Give me one moment here.
    Last week a group of Jewish educators rallied outside their 
union headquarters in New York City. The members of the UFT, an 
affiliate of NYCT, AFT, and the NEA were rightfully upset that 
the union called an emergency meeting to vote to endorse 
candidate Zohran Mamdani.
    They felt Mr. Mamdani's support of the term ``globalized 
intifada,'' is antisemitic and antizionist, correctly. While 
the educators were at the rally, AFT President Randi Weingarten 
was at a rally right down the street with Mr. Mamdani. 
Considering the union members' opposition and the recent rise 
of national antisemitism, are unions required to make political 
endorsements?
    Ms. Mann. No, unions are not required to make political 
endorsements, and it is inappropriate for them to do so.
    Ms. Stefanik. Mr. Glenn Taubman, I wanted to ask your 
response to that?
    Mr. Taubman. No, they are not required to, and in the 
current world that we live in, it is divisive and hateful to 
support Hamas and Communist, antisemites like Mr. Mamdani.
    Ms. Stefanik. Is there any mechanism today for Jewish 
teachers to opt out of paying dues to unions that support 
antisemitic causes? If not, how is that remotely 
constitutional, Mr. Taubman?
    Mr. Taubman. For public sector employees like the New York 
City teachers, they are covered by the Janus ruling, which says 
you have a right, as a matter of free speech and association, 
to not pay the union. For private sector employees, if they are 
not in a right to work State, they can be forced to pay or be 
fired.
    It would be nice to apply Janus to the private sector, 
where private people's constitutional rights could also be 
protected.
    Ms. Stefanik. Do you believe that unions like the NEA and 
AFT are functioning as ideological enforcement arms rather than 
neutral labor advocates, especially in their treatment of pro-
Israel educators?
    Mr. Taubman. I have been at this for 43 years. When I 
started, I used to say unions were representatives who did 
politics on the side. Now, they are political powerhouse 
parties that do a little collective bargaining on the side, and 
that is what the NEA and the AFT and unions like that are all 
about.
    It is all about power and money to them, and the collective 
bargaining is a secondary thing to their political power and 
their money.
    Ms. Stefanik. Thank you. I yield back.
    Chairman Allen. The gentlelady yields back. I believe that 
is the conclusion of our questioning, and I call on Mr. 
DeSaunier to give his closing comments.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Thank you Mr. Chairman, and again I want to 
just say that I am happy to work with you if we really want to 
approach antisemitism in any institution or field, in a 
serious, serious way, and that is not to diminish the comments 
from Ms. Mann and Mr. Rubinstein's right today.
    It is crucial to emphasize that combatting antisemitism 
transcends, or should, transcend political divisions. It is a 
moral imperative that demands unwavering commitment from all 
Americans. However, as Dr. McCartin noted in his testimony, 
``The historical record clearly shows that the labor movement 
has been a bastion of opposition to antisemitism through its 
modern history and remains so today.''
    America's union movement not only uplifts workers who have 
been left behind but also gives all workers the power to higher 
wages, better benefits, and safer workplaces. That benefits 
everybody in America, including employers.
    At the time of great economic inequality, where life is 
unaffordable for millions and millions of working families, we 
should be working to strengthen workers' union rights, and 
ensure all their rights are made reality, and make sure that 
cases that have been brought up today about antisemitism or 
hate in any institutions are dealt with directly and 
forcefully.
    Unfortunately, since returning to office, President Trump 
has attacked workers' rights to organize, and undermined the 
agencies intended to protect them. In closing, I just want to 
end with a quote from Samuel Gompers. You can tell I am a fan.
    He said, ``What does labor want? We want more schoolhouses 
and less jails, more books and less arsenals, more learning and 
less vice, more leisure and less greed, more justice and less 
revenge.'' Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Chairman Allen. I thank the Ranking Member. With that I 
will issue a closing statement as well. We are living in 
different times today. I appreciate the history of all the 
great history of our country, but unfortunately, our country is 
very divided today.
    From a standpoint of history, as I said earlier, this goes 
back thousands of years. The battle rages on, and you know, God 
will deal with this. I want to thank our witnesses for sharing 
their experiences and perspectives on unions fomenting 
antisemitism. Today's hearing makes it clear that our labor 
laws must respect the choices of Jewish workers, and workers 
who do not support their union's actions and political 
priorities.
    Unions are no longer a bastion of fighting discrimination. 
That is clear by this testimony today. No worker in America 
should have to pay dues to a union that celebrates violence 
against Jews or any other group and seeks the destruction of 
Israel to get or keep their job.
    You have to be kidding me. Really? As witnesses testified 
today, NLRB should implement policies that allow employers to 
protect their Jewish employees at work and that free graduate 
students from the tyranny of antisemitic unions. Unions should 
not be allowed to play additional burdens on employees seeking 
exemption from funding the union's political or hateful 
activities.
    My State of Georgia is a right to work State. That means 
that you do not have to pay union jobs to hold your dues--pay 
union dues to hold your job. Unions should be required to 
represent all their members fairly, even those who have 
different political or religious views.
    I look forward to working with the members of the 
Subcommittee and the administration to advance the freedom of 
dignity of workers in America, and shield Jewish workers from 
hate and harassment at work. I will say this, this 
administration is the pro-worker administration. Again, that 
has changed drastically, and we will continue to fight for 
workers and against antisemitic or any other hateful activity.
    Thank you and I yield to--thank you to our witnesses, and 
again, for your time and testimony in the Subcommittee today. 
Without objection, there being no further business, the 
Subcommittee stands adjourned. Thank you.
    [Whereupon, at 11:48 a.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]

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