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                                HEARING

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                    SUBCOMMITTEE ON EARLY CHILDHOOD, 
                   ELEMENTARY, AND SECONDARY EDUCATION

                                OF THE

                  COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE
                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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           HEARING HELD IN WASHINGTON, DC, SEPTEMBER 3, 2025

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                           Serial No. 119-25

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                  COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE

                    TIM WALBERG, Michigan, Chairman

JOE WILSON, South Carolina           ROBERT C. ``BOBBY'' SCOTT, 
VIRGINIA FOXX, North Carolina            Virginia,
GLENN THOMPSON, Pennsylvania           Ranking Member
GLENN GROTHMAN, Wisconsin            JOE COURTNEY, Connecticut
ELISE M. STEFANIK, New York          FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida
RICK W. ALLEN, Georgia               SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon
JAMES COMER, Kentucky                MARK TAKANO, California
BURGESS OWENS, Utah                  ALMA S. ADAMS, North Carolina
LISA C. McCLAIN, Michigan            MARK DeSAULNIER, California
MARY E. MILLER, Illinois             DONALD NORCROSS, New Jersey
JULIA LETLOW, Louisiana              LUCY McBATH, Georgia
KEVIN KILEY, California              JAHANA HAYES, Connecticut
MICHAEL A. RULLI, Ohio               ILHAN OMAR, Minnesota
JAMES C. MOYLAN, Guam                HALEY M. STEVENS, Michigan
ROBERT F. ONDER, Jr., Missouri       GREG CASAR, Texas
RYAN MACKENZIE, Pennsylvania         SUMMER L. LEE, Pennsylvania
MICHAEL BAUMGARTNER, Washington      JOHN W. MANNION, New York
MARK HARRIS, North Carolina          YASSAMIN ANSARI, Arizona
MARK B. MESSMER, Indiana
RANDY FINE, Florida

                     R.J. Laukitis, Staff Director
              Veronique Pluviose, Minority Staff Director
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  SUBCOMMITTEE ON EARLY CHILDHOOD, ELEMENTARY, AND SECONDARY EDUCATION

                   KEVIN KILEY, California, Chairman

MARY E. MILLER, Illinois             SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon,
GLENN THOMPSON, Pennsylvania           Ranking Member
BURGESS OWENS, Utah                  JAHANA HAYES, Connecticut
MICHAEL A. RULLI, Ohio               SUMMER L. LEE, Pennsylvania
JAMES C. MOYLAN, Guam                JOHN W. MANNION, New York
RYAN MACKENZIE, Pennsylvania         FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida
MARK HARRIS, North Carolina          ALMA S. ADAMS, North Carolina
MARK B. MESSMER, Indiana             YASSAMIN ANSARI, Arizona
                        
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Hearing held on September 3, 2025................................     1

                           OPENING STATEMENTS

    Kiley, Hon. Kevin, Chairman, Subcommittee on Early Childhood, 
      Elementary, and Secondary Education........................     1
        Prepared statement of....................................     4
    Bonamici, Hon. Suzanne, Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Early 
      Childhood, Elementary, and Secondary Education.............     6
        Prepared statement of....................................     9

                               WITNESSES

    Brumley, Dr. Cade, State Superintendent of Education, State 
      of Louisiana...............................................    12
        Prepared statement of....................................    14
    Roughton, Chandra, Founder and CEO, Luminous Minds...........    16
        Prepared statement of....................................    18
    Wingfield, Dr. Jhanae, Assistant Professor of Early Childhood 
      and Literacy Education, Department of Urban Education at 
      Rutgers University-Newark..................................    22
        Prepared statement of....................................    24
    Harrison, Dr. Brent, Superintendent, Saraland City Schools...    35
        Prepared statement of....................................    37

                         ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS

    Ranking Member Bonamici:
        Article dated February 14, 2025, from The Times-Picayune/
          The New Orleans Advocate Online, titled ``Despite lofty 
          promises, Louisiana's private-school vouchers fall 
          short''................................................    62
        Report dated September 11, 2025, from the Education 
          Policy Analysis Archives (EPAA), titled ``Taxpayer-
          Funded Private School Vouchers and Market Failure: A 
          Policy Scan and Review From 1869 to 2024''.............    68
        Article dated July 3, 2025, from kpel965.com, titled 
          ``Acadiana Schools Brace for Deep Cuts as Congress 
          Slashes Education Funding''............................    98
    Lee, Hon. Summer L., a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Pennsylvania:
        Report dated 2022, from South Carolina Law Review, titled 
          ``School District Secession in Mobile County, Alabama: 
          A Case Study of Adaptive Discrimination and Threats to 
          Multiracial Democracy''................................   113

 
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                      Wednesday, September 3, 2025

                  House of Representatives,
  Subcommittee on Early Childhood, Elementary, and 
                                Secondary Education
                      Committee on Education and Workforce,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:15 a.m., in 
Room 2175, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Kevin Kiley 
(Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
    Present: Representatives Kiley, Miller, Owens, Moylan, 
Harris, Messmer, Walberg, Bonamici, Hayes, Lee, Mannion, Adams, 
and Scott.
    Also present: Representative Stefanik.
    Staff present: Vlad Cerga, Director of Information 
Technology; Maren Emmerson, Staff Assistant; Cabell Fleet, 
Intern; Amy Raaf Jones, Director of Education and Human 
Services Policy; Libby Kearns, Press Assistant; Isaiah Knox, 
Legislative Assistant; Kyle Kuhlers, AEI Fellow; Campbell Ladd, 
Clerk; R.J. Laukitis, Staff Director; Danny Marca, Director of 
Information Technology; R.J. Martin, Professional Staff Member; 
Audra McGeorge, Communications Director; Eli Mitchell, 
Legislative Assistant; Ethan Pann, Deputy Press Secretary and 
Digital Director; Ian Prince, Professional Staff Member; Sara 
Robertson, Press Secretary; Dominico Sassano, Intern; Brad 
Thomas, Deputy Director of Education and Human Services Policy; 
Ann Vogel, Director of Operations; James Whittaker, General 
Counsel; Damian Arambula, Minority Intern; Ellie Berenson, 
Minority Press Assistant; Ilana Brunner, Minority General 
Counsel; Nikhita Chinmay, Minority Intern; David Dailey, 
Minority Chief of Staff; Zenaida De La Cruz, Minority CHCI 
Fellow; Rashage Green, Minority Director of Education Policy & 
Counsel; Christian Haines, Minority General Counsel; Sarah 
Holehouse, Minority Intern; Maxine Jones, Minority Intern; 
Alexandra Pernie, Minority Intern; Samantha Wilkerson, Minority 
Professional Staff; Stephanie Lalle, Minority Communications 
Director; Raiyana Malone, Minority Press Secretary; Kwesi 
Matthews, Minority Einstein Fellow; Eleazar Padilla, Minority 
Staff Assistant; Veronique Pluviose, Minority Staff Director.
    Chairman Kiley. Good morning. The Subcommittee on Early 
Childhood Elementary and Secondary Education will come to 
order. I note that a quorum is present. Without objection, the 
Chair is authorized to call a recess at any time. The reading 
wars are over. For years, for decades, countless young people 
in this country received literacy instruction that was not 
science based and did not promote the mastery needed for 
success in school and in life.
    Now, in almost every State in America, science backed 
literacy instruction has prevailed. Still, progress has been 
uneven. There is unfortunately still much work to do to see 
that best practices are followed in states and districts across 
the country. More recently, we are seeing the same types of 
mistakes repeated when it comes to math.
    The latest nation's report card reflects this limited 
progress, showing that both fourth grade and eighth grade 
reading scores dropped 5 percent compared to 2019. Math scores 
dropped 3 points for fourth graders and 8 points for eighth 
graders. These low scores are part of a longer-term trend of 
poor performance in the U.S., essentially all scores on the 
NAEP long term trend assessment have nearly flatlined since 
1971.
    International comparisons paint the same troubling picture. 
A recent international assessment showed that American 15 year 
old students are below average in math among nations across the 
world. Now, there are many reasons for this decline, but one 
major reason, which is our focus today, is how many schools 
moved away from grounding their instruction in the science of 
learning.
    For generations, students in elementary school were taught 
to read by identifying letters and the sounds they represent. 
Then, starting in the 1970's, a new idea called whole language 
arose, leaving behind the explicate direction of phonics as old 
fashioned. This new method, which came to be known as three 
cueing, or balanced literacy, encourages students to read by 
guessing an unknown word based on its context and structure 
within a sentence or even adjacent pictures in the book.
    This approach was at odds with the science of reading, 
which aims to ensure students develop strong foundational 
skills. The science of reading emphasizes five core skills that 
every child must master: chronological awareness, phonics, 
fluency, vocabulary, and comprehension.
    More than 40 states have now passed legislation for 
evidence-based reading programs in their schools. These 
programs emphasize the importance of phonics, and building a 
deep vocabulary, rather than guessing words based on context. 
There is a similar science behind learning math skills, where 
foundational skills like the four basic functions of 
arithmetic, addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, 
are taught so that students can perform those functions 
automatically, and students are given step-by-step direct 
instruction in problem solving.
    In too many places, this approach has been overtaken by 
teaching philosophies that reject direct instruction for 
teachers, devalue content knowledge, and insist on student led 
exploration. Here is the good news, which provides great hope 
for the future of education, states that truly emphasize the 
science of learning in reading and math have gotten outstanding 
results.
    In Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama, for example, a 
renewed focus on phonics and arithmetic mastery and holding 
schools accountable has resulted in rapidly rising test scores, 
even through the Pandemic. Similarly, Luminous Minds, a 
California based education platform, has proven that literacy 
gains can be achieved in even the most challenging districts, 
through rigorous science based-literacy instruction.
    Today we will hear from witnesses who have proven that 
principled leadership and science math instruction transform 
student outcomes. It is time we reclaim America's academic 
foundations. This means getting back to basics when it comes to 
reading and math. Our nation's freedom, prosperity, and 
national strength depend on it.
    I am looking forward to today's hearing, and with that I 
will turn to the Ranking Member for an opening statement.
    [The statement of Chairman Kiley follows:]
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    Ms. Bonamici. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and thank 
you to the witnesses for being here today. Welcome back, I 
expect that we have all spent the previous month visiting, 
learning, and connecting with our constituents, and although we 
may disagree on some things, we surely can and should agree 
that our Nation's children deserve an education that allows 
them to reach their full potential and that is safe.
    The inspiring educators and school administrators and 
bright young people I meet with in schools in Northwest Oregon 
always remind me of this. That being said, unfortunately, as we 
are having this hearing today people in Minneapolis are still 
reeling from another school shooting. This time at Annunciation 
Catholic School.
    The start of the school year should begin with joyous 
activities, not burying classmates or recovering from bullet 
wounds. As Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said, in the aftermath, 
``We can't just say this is about thoughts and prayers right 
now, these kids were literally praying when the shooter 
attacked. Congress needs to act to prevent gun violence, and 
after every senseless shooting, I'm increasingly more 
frustrated that we don't.''
    This is relevant because we want kids to be able to be 
focusing on learning, not worried about their safety. Now, to 
the issue at hand, improving math and reading instruction for 
students. I am looking forward to this hearing, and I have some 
optimism that we can find some bipartisan agreement as we did 
with our hearings on screen time and childcare, but I need to 
start with a few reminders.
    First, the Trump administration is trying to eliminate the 
Department of Education. They are proposing a 67 percent cut to 
IES, the Institute of Education Sciences, where important 
educational research is done. Delayed funding, along with 
massive cuts of Department of Education staff who administer 
important programs like Title I and IDEA, have already caused 
some chaos in public school districts across the country.
    Finally, as we frequently discuss, curriculum decisions are 
made locally, not by Congress. That being said, I trust we can 
all agree that literacy and reading, and math are important for 
success in school and the future. We could also agree that the 
latest NAEP scores, as the Chairman said, show room for 
improvement. No doubt about it.
    As we have this discussion, I do urge us to keep in mind 
that this year's NAEP results now have more specific 
information about the socioeconomic status of students. Those 
results show, for example, that 77 percent of fourth graders 
from the highest socioeconomic status scored above the national 
average, while only 34 percent of students from the lower 
socioeconomic status performed above average.
    I just hope we can keep these disparities in mind as we 
continue our hearing today and beyond. You know, this Committee 
works on things like school nutrition, if kids are hungry, they 
cannot learn. Also, looking back on the screen time hearing, a 
growing number of schools and districts and even states are 
banning cell phones during the day. It will be interesting to 
see how those students do in math and reading once those bans 
have been in place for a while.
    Here is the bottom line. Without the long-term and 
sustained Federal investment, students in schools will still 
lack the tools, the resources, and importantly the research 
they need to best teach all students to learn, including math 
and reading. The overwhelming majority of students in the 
United States, about 90 percent, attend public schools.
    Public education is the foundation on which we build our 
future. Public schools serve the needs of every child, 
regardless of background or income. That is why we must invest 
in public education, and I submit, oppose voucher scams that 
are funneling taxpayer dollars to private institutions.
    That said, I and most democrats support a wide range of 
options within the public school system, including magnet 
schools where I have seen students thrive when they have these 
options. For example, we have some of the top magnet programs 
in the State, in the district I represent, including Portland, 
Oregon's Benson Polytechnic High School, a CTE magnet school 
that offers programs in automotive, building instruction, 
electrical engineering, health occupations, media production 
and more.
    Those are engaged students, who are learning. The Beaverton 
District has many choices: an international magnet, an arts and 
communication magnet, and an Academy of Science and 
Engineering. Again, programs that engage students, keep them in 
school, increase attendance, and make them more likely to 
succeed.
    These valuable opportunities are offered to all students 
and most importantly, they are offered at free public schools 
that are required to comply with the Individual's with 
Disabilities Education Act.
    Unfortunately, my colleagues have passed in the present and 
signed into law the Big, Ugly Bill, which will create the first 
nationwide school voucher program, effectively diverting 
taxpayer funding and resources from public schools that enables 
donors of school voucher programs to receive a 100 percent tax 
credit for contributions, elevating those donations to voucher 
programs above all other donations, including donations made to 
food pantries or hospitals, or places of worship, and every 
other kind of charity.
    Additionally, the new law will allow individuals earning up 
to and including 300 percent of the area median gross income to 
qualify to use vouchers to send their children to private 
schools, including religious schools. An analysis by the 
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy found that this new 
private school voucher program could cost 56 billion dollars 
per year, more than all current Federal K-12 spending combined.
    As I have said before, there is room for improvement and 
families want to have options, but the newly established 
National School Voucher Program is counterproductive and will 
make things worse for the majority at 90 percent of students 
who attend public schools, which is especially concerning in 
rural areas like in parts of the State that I represent. There 
are no other options.
    They are already short on funding. There is no other school 
that a student could use a voucher for. Instead of spending 
time and resources on voucher schemes that do not work, and I 
will be introducing a very recent study proving that, Congress 
should focus on holding the Education Department accountable 
for carrying out its mission to promote a high-quality 
education, free from discrimination for all students.
    I look forward to the conversation, and I yield back the 
balance of my time.
    [The statement of Ranking Member Bonamici follows:]
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    Chairman Kiley. Pursuant to Committee Rule 8(c), all 
members who wish to insert written statements into the record 
may do so by submitting them to the Committee Clerk in 
Microsoft Word format by 5 p.m., 14 days after this hearing. 
Without objection, the hearing record will remain open for 14 
days to all such statements, and other extraneous material 
noted during the hearing, to be submitted-for the official 
hearing record.
    I will now introduce our witnesses. Our first witness is 
Dr. Cade Brumley, the State Superintendent of Education for the 
State of Louisiana, from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Our second 
witness is Chandra Roughton, the Founder of Luminous Minds from 
Luminous, California.
    Our third witness is Dr. Jhanae Wingfield, an Assistant 
Professor of Early Childhood and Literacy Education for the 
Department of Urban Education at Rutger's University, Newark, 
in Newark, New Jersey. Our fourth witness is Dr. Brent 
Harrison, the Superintendent of Saraland City Schools in 
Saraland, Alabama.
    We thank the witnesses for being here today, and we look 
forward to your testimony. Pursuant to Committee Rules, I would 
ask that you each limit your oral presentation to a 3-minute 
summary of your written statement, as Committee members have 
many questions for you. The clock will count down from 3 
minutes. However, pursuant to Committee Rule 8(d), and 
Committee practice, we will not cutoff your testimony until you 
reach the 5-minute mark.
    I would also like to remind the witnesses to be aware of 
your responsibility to provide accurate information to the 
Subcommittee. With that, I will first recognize Dr. Brumley for 
your testimony.

    STATEMENT OF DR. CADE BRUMLEY, STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF 
     EDUCATION, STATE OF LOUISIANA, BATON ROUGE, LOUISIANA

    Mr. Brumley. Distinguished members of the Committee, thank 
you for having me here with you today. My name is Cade Brumley, 
and I am honored to be the State Superintendent of Education in 
the great State of Louisiana. It remains my honor to be able to 
share the story of Louisiana's historic progress across our 
State, and across the county, which is a testament to the fine 
teachers doing work across our State every single day.
    On 2019's nation's report card, the State of Louisiana 
ranked 50th in the country. 50th for fourth-grade reading and 
fourth-grade math. Since then, Louisiana has led the entire 
country on two consecutive cycles of NAEP, and now Louisiana's 
fourth graders rank 16th in the country on literacy. Yes, from 
50th to 16th.
    Similarly, Louisiana has improved 12 places in fourth-grade 
math and is ranked in the top five for math growth overall in 
2024. These gains at the fourth-grade level are remarkable, but 
they are only part of a much larger story unfolding in the 
State of Louisiana.
    As a State, Louisiana has improved our overall ranking. In 
2024, it has improved our overall ranking from 2019 when we 
were 50th in the country on the Nation's report card, to being 
32d today on the Nation's report card.
    Likewise, U.S. News and World Report has our Pre-K12 
ranking moving from 50th in 2019 to 37 today. These historic 
improvements did not occur by accident or by chance. They 
happened because of an intentional focus and strategy. Over the 
past 5 years, we have ushered in historic and comprehensive 
education reforms in our State that have focused on getting 
back to the basics, valuing teachers as professionals, 
expanding educational freedom, and enriching parental rights.
    In terms of back to the basics, for too long, Louisiana's 
schools have used their personnel, resources, time to 
prioritize in endeavors not aligned with their original intent.
    The intent to ensure academic excellence. Instead of 
chasing shiny themes, Louisiana schools now provide a laser 
focus on teaching fundamental academic content and skills on 
the pursuit of academic excellence.
    Specifically, we have implemented the science of reading 
statewide. Likewise, in math, we have returned to a tried-and-
true practice of building foundational numeracy skills. These 
reforms require teachers in the classrooms, so we must value 
them. After the parent, there is nothing more important for 
every child than having a high-quality teacher.
    Teachers deserve effective school leaders, meaningful 
professional learning, reduced distractions, elevated voice, 
and compensation that makes sense in the 21st Century. We must 
appreciate all of these things to the profession. In Louisiana, 
we actually listen to teachers.
    Through our Let Teachers Teach Initiative, we have done 
amazing work of removing barriers and distractions and removing 
bureaucracy that has pulled teachers away from instruction and 
has restored discipline to the classroom.
    We have also expanded opportunities for families. In 
Louisiana, educational freedom opportunities have become more 
abundant for our families. We have expanded choice options and 
removed barriers to accessing environments that make the most 
sense for each individual student.
    Educational freedom is inseparable from parental rights 
because parents are the child's first and foremost teachers. 
Children belong to their parents, not the government. Anything 
to solidify and accelerate the fundamental right of the parent 
must be a priority for each of us.
    Parents send their children to school expecting strong 
instruction in reading, in math, in science, and in history, 
not indoctrination on divisive issues. In closing I would like 
to thank President Trump and Secretary McMahon for their 
leadership and empowering the states to chart their own 
educational path, and I am proud of the work that we have 
accomplished in the State of Louisiana.
    Moving from 50th in the country in 2019 on the Nation's 
report card to 32d here today. I am hopeful about where we are 
going. We are pleased, but we are not satisfied. There is more 
work to do, and we must keep getting better. I look forward to 
discussing our progress with each of you, our challenges, and 
the lessons that we have learned along the way, which may be 
valuable to others.
    Thank you again for this opportunity to speak today.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Brumley follows:]
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    Chairman Kiley. Thank you very much. I will next recognize 
Ms. Roughton for your testimony.

  STATEMENT OF MS. CHANDRA ROUGHTON, FOUNDER, LUMINOUS MINDS, 
                       LOOMIS, CALIFORNIA

    Ms. Roughton. Good morning Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member, 
distinguished Members of Congress. I would just like to thank 
you for the opportunity to be here this morning and speak to 
you about truly one of the most critical and urgent issues 
facing our educational system.
    How we teach young children how to read. My name is Chandra 
Roughton, and I'm the CEO and Founder for Luminous Minds, an 
educational platform that provides science of reading aligned 
resources, stellar professional development for teachers, and 
works on family engagement initiatives, supporting districts, 
schools and intervention programs across our country.
    Before founding Luminous Minds, I had the privilege of 
serving in public education for over two decades, as a 
classroom teacher, an instruction coach, a principal, a 
curriculum expert, most of this time being in Title I schools 
working with our at risk students.
    My passion has always been literacy, and today I am here, 
not just as an educator, but as an advocate for children all 
over our Nation that are depending on us to get this right. Let 
me begin with the reality that is both heartbreaking, yet also 
motivating. As shared by our Chairman, according to the most 
recent NAEP data, only 33 percent of fourth graders in the 
United States are reading at or above proficiency.
    That means 67 percent, two out of every three children are 
not. Unfortunately, this is not a new reality. Since 1992, our 
national reading scores have hovered between 29 and 37 percent. 
Despite decades of reform, the needle has not moved. In plain 
terms, more children in this country can't read than can.
    Here is what's even more troubling. We know what works, and 
we have not consistently implemented it. The science of reading 
is not a trend, and it is not a theory. It is a body of decades 
long research from fields like neuroscience, cognitive 
psychology, linguistics, and it tells us how the brain learns 
to read and exactly what's required to teach it effectively in 
our schools.
    Reading is not a natural process. Unlike speaking, which 
children acquire effortlessly, just through basic exposure and 
interaction, learning how to read is a very complex, cognitive 
task. It literally requires rewiring of the brain where we have 
to connect visual, auditory, and linguistic pathways, so that 
we can make meaning from print.
    Only 5 to 10 percent of children learn how to read 
naturally without any instruction. For the rest, that's 90 to 
95 percent, success depends on direct explicit teaching through 
structured literacy as promoted in the science of reading. The 
encouraging news is that all children can learn to read when 
given evidence-based instruction, trained educators, and the 
right support.
    The science of reading outlines five essential pillars to 
make reading instruction effective. These are focusing on 
phonological awareness, phonics, building fluency, developing 
high level academic vocabulary, and comprehension. Too often, 
classrooms are still relying on outdated, ineffective practices 
like balanced literacy and the three cuing-method, which 
prompts students to guess at words, instead of learning the 
skills to properly decode them.
    Science is very clear. Guessing is not reading. In 
contrast, structured literacy promoted by the science of 
reading, equips children with systemic phonics decoding 
process, access to high quality materials like decidable texts, 
building confidence and joy. Encouragingly, more and more 
states are banning the three cuing method and requiring science 
aligned instruction.
    This is absolutely a step in the right direction, but it's 
not enough to change the standards. State and local governments 
must also support educators through high quality, proper 
training, through coaching, and access to research-based 
materials. Teachers deserve the knowledge and tools to do what 
works. Families and parents deserve to understand how they can 
help their children learn how to read at home.
    Most importantly, our children deserve instruction that 
gives them the best chance to succeed at life. We do not need 
to keep guessing. We know what works, we simply need the will, 
the coordination, and the commitment to act on it. Thank you 
again for the opportunity to speak with you today. I look 
forward to your questions and in working together on real 
solutions for our Nation's most precious asset, our children.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Roughton follows:]
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    Chairman Kiley. Thank you very much. I will next recognize 
Dr. Wingfield for your testimony.

STATEMENT OF DR. JHANAE WINGFIELD, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF EARLY 
CHILDHOOD AND LITERACY EDUCATION, DEPARTMENT OF URBAN EDUCATION 
       AT RUTGERS UNIVERSITY NEWARK, NEWARK, NEW JERSEY.

    Ms. Wingfield. Good morning and thank you, Chairman, 
Ranking Member and members of the Subcommittee. Thank you for 
the opportunity to testify on proven instruction for reading 
and math. This critical issue matter deeply to me and millions 
of families, students, educators and policymakers.
    My name is Jhanae Wingfield, and I serve as an Assistant 
Professor of Early Childhood and Literacy Education at Rutgers 
University, Newark. I come before you today in both a personal 
and professional capacity. My journey in education has been 
multifaceted. I have served as a classroom teacher, a literacy 
coach, an administrator, a professor preparing future 
educators, and a researcher working across many school types 
and student populations.
    Personally, I am also a proud product of public schools, 
having attended both State and public institutions throughout 
my academic career. These experiences, both lived and 
professional, have given me deep understanding of the 
challenges and possibilities in literacy and math instruction.
    It is from this vantage point that I make the case for 
proven instructional practices, the urgent need to invest in 
efforts that strengthen teaching and learning in public 
schools, and the importance of resisting policies, such as 
school vouchers, that weaken and undermine our public education 
system.
    The history of literacy in the United States is tied to 
inequity, from antiliteracy laws, to chronic underfunding of 
schools serving low-income students, access to reading and 
writing has never been evenly distributed. Today, the 
disparities persist. Children from marginalized communities are 
more likely to fall behind, and those who do not achieve 
reading proficiency by third grade are four times more likely 
to drop out of high school.
    According to NAEP's 2024 report, just a third of U.S. 
fourth graders are reading at or above proficiency. For black 
fourth graders, many of them scored 28 points behind their 
white peers. By eighth grade, black students average reading 
scores showed no significance change from 2019, while white 
student scored declined, which narrowed the gap, but the 
difference remained substantial at 24 points.
    Long-term trend data underscores how persistent these gaps 
are. For decades, NAEP has reported racial disparities in 
achievement, and they remain entrenched. In mathematics, the 
long-term trend assessment for 13-year-olds showed that white 
and black score difference widened from 35 points in 2020 to 42 
points in 2023.
    This gap does not reflect black students' capability, 
rather it calls into question whether our instructional 
practices in classroom environments are truly designed for all 
children and a reminder that math achievement is not separate 
from literacy. Understanding word problems, following multistep 
instructions, and explaining reasoning all depend on students 
access to and use of academic language and literacy skills.
    Students who struggle with reading often struggle with 
math, not because they lack ability, but because they cannot 
access the language in which math is taught. Investments in 
literacy are therefore investments in all learning, and in 
long-term success of our students.
    To ensure those investments have impact, literacy 
instruction must also acknowledge and honor linguistic 
diversity students bring into the classroom. The science of 
reading has provided valuable insights into how children learn 
to decode and recognize words, but we must remember that 
students come from diverse linguistic backgrounds. They speak 
different dialects, regional varieties, and languages at home.
    If instruction does not reflect these realities, students 
can be misunderstood, mislabeled, or left behind. Strong 
literacy instruction requires both evidence-based practices and 
culturally responsive teaching. Teachers need sustained 
training and resources to meet students where they are, and 
that requires public investment that does not fluctuate from 
year to year.
    We have seen what targeted investments can accomplish. In 
New Jersey, districts like Union City, once considered at risk 
for State takeover, leveraged Federal relief funds to mitigate 
learning loss during the pandemic, providing high impact 
tutoring, extended summer learning, and expanded digital 
access. As a result, Union City has become a model for how 
equitable investment can transform student achievement.
    When schools are well supported, children thrive. When 
funding is withheld or diverted to private vouchers, equity 
suffers. Students with disabilities are especially vulnerable. 
Federal laws guarantee access to education, but without 
adequate funding schools cannot provide the individualized 
support these students need.
    Evidence-based interventions, specialized instruction, and 
assistive technology all depend on predictable, sustained 
investments. Public schools are not just educational 
institutions. They are community anchors. No, teachers should 
not be expected to serve as social workers, or sacrifice their 
own well-being, but they must be equipped with training and 
anti-biased practices and social emotional development, so that 
they can support the whole child.
    The whole child can only engage in learning when they are 
safe, well-nourished, healthy and stably housed. Public schools 
provide stability, safety, and opportunity for children and 
families. When Federal support is frozen or inconsistent, 
programs collapse, staff shortages worsen, and students lose 
access to the very resources that allow them to succeed.
    Investment in public schools--oh sorry. Sorry. Oh, sorry. 
Investment in public schools and teacher preparation, and 
literacy research--it is not optional. It is essential. I will 
stop there. I am sorry.
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    Chairman Kiley. Thank you very much. I will last recognize 
Dr. Harrison for your testimony.

STATEMENT OF DR. BRENT HARRISON, SUPERINTENDENT, SARALAND CITY 
                   SCHOOLS, SARALAND, ALABAMA

    Mr. Harrison. Good morning, and thank you for allowing me 
to be here today. My name is Brent Harrison, and I am honored 
to serve as a Superintendent of the Saraland City Schools in 
Saraland, Alabama. Saraland City schools opened in 2008 with 
just over 1,500 students.
    Today we serve approximately 3,400 students, a 126 percent 
increase in enrollment over that time. Our student body is 73 
percent white, 17 percent African American, and over half 
qualify for free or reduced lunch. Despite these socioeconomic 
challenges, Saraland consistently ranks among the highest 
performing districts in the State of Alabama.
    On the Alabama Comprehensive Assessment Program, which is 
our State accountability testing component, our students excel 
in English language arts, math, and science. Over the past 
several years, we have remained in the top ten statewide in all 
three subjects, as far as proficiency.
    In 2025, we ranked fifth in ELA, sixth in science, and 
seventh in math. These results are especially meaningful when 
you consider that our students are being compared to peers and 
communities around the State of Alabama, with median home 
prices nearly 1 million dollars and household incomes of 
$300,000 a year.
    In Saraland, the median home income price is around 
$230,000. The average household income is $60,000. We attribute 
our success to a strong school culture, strategic curriculum 
choices made by the State of Alabama, and a relentless focus on 
data.
    During the Covid-19 pandemic, Saraland was one of the first 
districts to reopen in August 2020, and we did not miss a 
single day of in person instruction. Our blue-collar community 
showed up, and our students thrived. In our minds, our return 
to school and the classrooms led to a minimum learning losses 
across the board.
    In literacy, we follow the Alabama Literacy Act, which 
mandates proficiency on the ACAP reading subtest for third 
grade promotion. We use Phonics First, an Orton-Gillingham 
based program aligned with the science of reading. It supports 
Tier 1 instruction and-provides targeted interventions for 
struggling students.
    Last year, only 5 of our 262 third graders did not meet 
proficiency. All of whom had IEPs or Individualized Education 
Plans and were already receiving support. In math, we emphasize 
fluency and automaticity through tools like reflex math and a 
spiraling approach that revisits concepts throughout the school 
year.
    This builds deep understanding and problem-solving skills 
for our students for the year to come and in years to come, 
throughout their education. Our greatest gains come from how we 
approach Tier 2 and Tier 3 instruction. Instead of reteaching 
current material, we use data to identify and close 
foundational skill gaps. This targeted approach continues until 
students are ready to succeed in Tier 1 instruction.
    At Saraland City Schools we eat, sleep, and breathe data. 
It drives every decision we make. Combined with our strong 
curriculum and proven instructional practices, our data driven 
culture is what sets us apart. Not for the accolades, but 
because it is what is best for children.
    Thank you again for allowing me to share our story. It is 
an honor to represent a district that proves excellence is 
possible regardless of zip code. Thank you.
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    Chairman Kiley. Thank you very much. Under Committee Rule 
9, we will now question witnesses under the 5-minute rule, and 
I will first recognize the Chairman of the Full Committee the 
representative from Michigan, Mr. Walberg.
    Mr. Walberg. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks to the 
witnesses for being here, and demonstrating that education can 
take place and could take place well at the local and state 
level with control there. That goes right to classroom as was 
pointed out by Dr. Brumley, the teacher and the parent working 
together for the students' best interest, thank you.
    Dr. Brumley, one of the focuses of the Committee this year 
has been dismantling the Department of Education, and I do not 
back away from that. A trillion dollars spent since 1980 and 
our test scores going down. Failure taking place until 
individual attempts like your schools in your districts, your 
states deciding this is not acceptable.
    As I am sure you would agree, education is fundamentally a 
state and local issue, and we have seen democratic 
administrations use the department to abuse their power and 
pressure states into adopting woke policies that do not work. 
As a state leader, how would it make your job easier to have 
less Federal micromanagement, Dr. Brumley?
    Mr. Brumley. Yes, sir. Thank you for the question. First 
and foremost, I too support dismantling the U.S. Department of 
Education. I tend to think that educational decisions are best 
made by moms and dads working with local teachers and local 
systems on what makes the most sense for their children and 
their community.
    Mr. Walberg. I love those kids.
    Mr. Brumley. As I have previously shared with the 
administration, if one believes that education is a state's 
rights issue, such that I believe, then the administration has 
to also respect that states may approach education in different 
ways, from Washington State to Louisiana, from Texas to 
Vermont. I think that is okay and that is good.
    I appreciate President Trump and Secretary McMahon working 
to dismantle that particular agency. I understand it takes an 
act of Congress, so to speak, to get that done, but anything 
that they can do to further empower states to remove some of 
the excessive bureaucracies, some of the unnecessary strings 
attached to funding, which are taxpayer dollars that come into 
the states, and to elevate the parent.
    We appreciate that. We think that is good, and so, our 
agency at the Louisiana Department of Education, we stand 
ready. We have a Governor in the State of Louisiana that is 
education focused, in Governor Landry.
    We have the State Legislator that is working alongside us. 
We have the State board of Education that is working alongside 
of us, and so we have a streamlined approach.
    We think policymakers in the State of Louisiana, along with 
moms and dads, can make good decisions without bureaucrats in 
D.C. getting in our way.
    Mr. Walberg. Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Roughton, in your 
testimony you mentioned the NAEP scores, which are concerning 
to say the least. For me, as I look at Michigan, terrible NAEP 
scores. Can you talk about the implications that having so many 
children unable to read, and how this impacts their futures as 
well as their present?
    Ms. Roughton. Yes. Thank you for the question. Literacy is 
a gateway skill, as shared in some of the testimony this 
afternoon. If we cannot read, we cannot unlock and access 
learning from all other subjects.
    If we think about math, we are not able to solve math word 
problems. If I am not reading, and I do not have reading 
comprehension, and I am in high school, I cannot read a drama 
script and fully embody and play my role correctly.
    If I am a tradesman, I need to be able to read safety codes 
and warranties and manuals. Without focusing on primary skills, 
foundational literacy in the early years, K2, where children 
need it the most, we are just limiting access to education, and 
I am sorry, the second part to your question, Mr. Walberg?
    Mr. Walberg. That was the key part, yes.
    Ms. Roughton. Thank you.
    Mr. Walberg. Thank you, and you addressed it, limiting--
limiting the opportunity for students who cannot read. Thank 
you. Dr. Harrison, Alabama in 2019 passed a law requiring 
schools to use the science of reading. How important is it to a 
person like yourself to have the State Legislature enact laws 
that encourage that type of action?
    Mr. Harrison. For Alabama, for us as a school district in 
Alabama, it is very important because across the State we are a 
very transient district, meaning we do have a lot of students 
that do transfer in from around our local surrounding areas.
    Having a State curriculum, knowing that students within the 
State of Alabama are all following the science of reading 
curriculum throughout the State, helps us pinpoint where that 
student should be coming into us, where we should be able to 
meet them, and we try to meet every student where they are, and 
help them create and grow and go from there.
    It is vital for us in our State that we all are on the same 
page of sheet music, so to speak, and are all following the 
science of reading. Again, it is pivotal for us because we know 
each step, each classroom you go in, you are able to see each 
teacher following the different steps of science of reading day 
in and day out from one classroom to the next.
    Mr. Walberg. Thank you. I yield back.
    Chairman Kiley. Ranking Member Bonamici, the Representative 
from Oregon is recognized.
    Ms. Bonamici. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks to the 
witnesses. Just a reminder in response to the Chairman's 
question that curriculum decisions are made by State and local 
governments. They are not made by Congress, but where Congress 
does make a difference, you know, we have heard a lot about the 
teacher preparation, having educators who are skilled in this 
literacy issue, that is Title II, low-income students, the 
additional resources that help them, that is Title I. That is 
where the Federal dollars come in, it is not in setting 
curriculum.
    You know, we can all acknowledge as have the NAEP scores 
are not where we would like them to be, especially for the most 
disadvantaged students, and we might even agree on some of the 
reasons, Covid, screen time, where we disagree is on the 
solutions, and cutting Federal funding and research for K-12 
education is not the answer.
    Now, earlier this year the Trump administration cut nearly 
900 million dollars in educational research, contracts at the 
Institute of Education Sciences, including contracts for long-
term studies that would have produced data on how to best help 
students learn.
    Dr. Wingfield, a significant part of this canceled research 
related to students in elementary and secondary schools, but 
why is the IES data important, and what will these cuts means?
    Ms. Wingfield. Yes, so thank you for that question. I would 
like to start by stating that we all referenced NAEP scores, 
which are all funded, which are funded by the research from 
IES. IES is a research arm of the Department of Education, so 
we are all referencing these points, this data that is funded 
by what we are talking about cutting funds from, but we all use 
that data to inform our practice.
    Ms. Bonamici. Right.
    Ms. Wingfield. IES funds practice and policy, and without 
that in place, we are going to be making uninformed decisions. 
In addition to that, we also talked about multitiered, some of 
the practices that we talked about IES also funds that. These 
multi-tier practices that have been extremely helpful to move 
the scores forward in Alabama continuously are funded by IES to 
continuously improve those practices as well.
    It will be harmful, not just to those disadvantaged 
students, but to all students, we are taking away these 
datapoints that we used to inform us.
    Ms. Bonamici. We do not really know what would happen to 
IES if the Department of Education is abolished. What happens 
to Title I? What happens to IDEA? What happens to the 
educational research?
    Dr. Wingfield, this year's NAEP scores, as I discussed, 
have more socioeconomic information than previous years, 
showing that 77 percent of wealthier students scored above 
average, but only 34 percent of low-income students. What 
should we learn from that?
    Ms. Wingfield. Yes. I think that is an indication of what I 
talked about earlier. Literacy practices and access to quality 
education has not always been easily accessible to both 
students of diverse backgrounds, and students of lower 
socioeconomics. What we really need to make a greater 
investment on is one, cultural practices and teacher education.
    Teacher education is largely white women, and our student 
population is largely students of diverse backgrounds. What 
investment can we make in making sure that we are not just 
educating our educators on evidence-based practices, but 
learning how to bridge those connections between home and 
school.
    Ms. Bonamici. How important are programs like McKinney 
Vento, that helps homeless students, or school nutrition 
programs that make sure that students have full bellies when 
they are trying to learn.
    Ms. Wingfield. Incredibly because you cannot learn without 
stable housing or food.
    Ms. Bonamici. Well, in my final couple minute or so, you 
know, a few months ago the republicans passed this 
reconciliation, Big Ugly Bill that includes the first 
nationwide K-12 school voucher program that will divert 
resources away from public schools that serve more than 90 
percent of students.
    How will diverting the funds away from public schools 
affect reading and math instruction in the public schools for 
90 percent of students?
    Ms. Wingfield. It will kill the resources that are in place 
to help our highest need students, so we are losing programs. 
It will affect capacity as well, so losing teachers and staff 
that will support these programs that help move these students 
along.
    Ms. Bonamici. Yes, I would just submit in the remaining 
time that these are not easy issues to deal with, and we have 
to have a more comprehensive conversation about what these test 
scores mean, and I think that is one of the purposes of this 
hearing today. As I mentioned in the opening statement, there 
is a lot happening with students, with mental health concerns, 
with gun violence, with ICE raids, there is a lot on students' 
minds right now.
    Until we address those underlying issues we are not going 
to comprehensively solve this issue, and again, I appreciate 
this hearing, but Congress does not set curriculum, and what we 
really need is the research, and that is what is being cut. I 
yield back. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Kiley. I will now recognize myself for 5 minutes. 
Ms. Roughton, I found your testimony very compelling when it 
came to how brain science ought to inform proper literacy 
instruction.
    It seems to me the fallacy of some of these discredited 
approaches, like whole language or three cueism, or whatever we 
want to call it, is that it assumes that students can learn 
literacy or written language sort of in the same way they learn 
spoken language, kind of by osmosis.
    That, as you explained, that is not true because the brain 
is hard wired to acquire oral language skills, and to 
generalize from limited inputs in a way that is not true when 
it comes to written language. Could you just yes, tell us a 
little bit more about the problems with these alternative 
approaches that have been in vogue for too long?
    Ms. Roughton. Yes, absolutely. Thank you Mr. Chairman. As 
you have shared, approaches like balanced literacy and the 
three cuing just came out of this incorrect belief that 
children learn how to read naturally. If we could just fill our 
classrooms with books and have a word rich environment, that 
children would just pick up reading effortlessly.
    We now know and have known since the National Reading Panel 
published the Science of Reading in 2000, that this is not 
accurate. That the brain is not wired to learn how to read and 
it has to be explicitly taught in our schools. The danger of 
districts and schools that are still utilizing these outdated 
practices, like three cuing and balanced literacy, is that we 
are promoting guessing.
    If I could give you an example in a kindergarten class. A 
kindergarten class that is still using balanced literacy might 
be doing a read aloud, and the sentence is that the baby is and 
there is an unfamiliar word. The teacher might instruct the 
students to guess what this word could be looking at contextual 
clues or looking at the picture.
    If the picture was a baby sleeping, a child might guess 
sleeping. What if the word was actually napping, dreaming, 
resting, so if I focused on phonics and foundational skills, I 
could have my students decode and sound out that word, 
understanding that N begins with na, napp, napping, and we 
could sound it out.
    What we see, the aftermath of this is children that have 
been guessing in the primary grades where they should have been 
focused on foundational learning, is we have these widened gaps 
in comprehension, whereas text gets harder in third grade and 
above. Guessing strategies just completely fall apart.
    This is particularly true for our students that are at risk 
for students that have learning differences.
    Chairman Kiley. Fortunately, we have seen a return to the 
foundational skills, as the primary method, at least in the 
laws of many states. Could you tell us a little bit more about 
what that entails? I think everyone is familiar with phonics, 
but it is more than just that, right?
    Ms. Roughton. Yes. Phonics is certainly essential and 
critical, but the science of reading actually outlines five 
pillars, phonics being one. I would like to share that we want 
to think about these pillars as pieces of a rope, and they all 
need to be intertwined and working together for true reading 
success.
    Phonics is a critical component, but we must also be 
developing phonological awareness, rhyming, doing syllables, 
changing the smallest unit of sound. We call it a phoning. 
Changing beginning, middle, ending sounds of words, while we 
are doing this and teaching letters sound correspondence or 
phonics, we also need to be building academic vocabulary.
    In a kindergarten class, I might be learning how to decode 
simple words like sun and mat, but I also need to be introduced 
to high level vocabulary, like ecosystems, perseverance, what 
do these words mean? Then through that I need to be putting 
sounds together to read words, words together to read 
sentences, to build fluency, to develop automaticity.
    Then when those four pillars come in hand, I need less 
brain power as a child to decode, and now I can make that shift 
to focusing on the fifth pillar, which is comprehension. They 
all need to be working together for our children to have true 
literacy success.
    Chairman Kiley. Finally, I know that your organization has 
been very successful when it comes to teacher training, so 
could you just expound a little on how critical it is that 
teachers have the tools for proper literacy instruction?
    Ms. Roughton. Yes, absolutely. I think supporting our 
teachers is so essential, and it is not just giving them a one 
stop shop training. It is ongoing and continuous support, where 
teachers are looking at their classroom data and assessments 
and making those informed decisions.
    We know that we cannot just give teachers great resources, 
you know, those resources just can sit on a shelf and get 
dusty. If we want them to use, especially new resources that 
they might be unfamiliar with, we have to give them that 
training and support to go with it.
    Chairman Kiley. Thank you very much, and as you have said 
in your introduction, we know what works, and so now the task 
is just to make sure that every child in this country has 
access to the instruction that we now does work.
    I will now recognize the Representative from Pennsylvania, 
Ms. Lee.
    Ms. Lee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It should go without 
being said that children need to have quality reading and math 
instruction. We need to invest in these skills. That said, we 
also cannot keep asking schools, educators, children and 
families to do more with less.
    This Committee is asking schools to improve math and 
reading schools, while the Department of Education is being 
dismantled, while schools are dealing with ongoing disruptions 
from this administration, unexpectantly cutting and freezing 
funding for educational programs, while teachers face the 
impossible choice between a profession that they love, and 
earning a dignified wage that would allow them to actually pay 
back their insurmountable student loan debt.
    While children have to sit in increasingly hot classrooms 
with worsening air quality, and no HVAC systems, or while 
parents have to drop their kids off fearing that ICE might be 
there waiting to separate them, or while students and staff 
have to walk into school every morning wondering if their 
school will be the next target of a mass shooting.
    If you want to support children's math and reading, we need 
to make sure that they have safe, well-resourced learning 
environments. Just last night, republican appropriators in the 
House voted to slash 12 billion dollars from the Department of 
Education's budget, including cutting about 5 billion dollars 
from Title I funding, almost a 30 percent decrease.
    Title I funds provided instructional support, enrichment 
activities, math and reading interventions, and so much more to 
school districts that do not have the luxury of millions of 
dollars in a property tax base revenue. Dr. Brumley, we 
appreciate you being here to share Louisiana's story with NAEP 
scores and other successes.
    Are you able to share how much Title I-A funding Louisiana 
received for Fiscal Year 24 and 25?
    Mr. Brumley. Yes, ma'am. We received roughly 400 million 
dollars.
    Ms. Lee. Just yes or no, do you think Title I and other 
Federal funding for things like reading specialists, math 
interventionist, contributed to Louisiana's improvement in NAEP 
scores?
    Mr. Brumley. I think we have used all of our funding 
sources very well in a strategy to get better results for kids.
    Ms. Lee. Certainly, and those ones specifically that they 
contribute?
    Mr. Brumley. I think we have used all of our sources very 
well.
    Ms. Lee. Yes. Given that the administration is proposing a 
15 percent cut to Federal education funding, bringing 
investment levels back to those of 2010, what steps is 
Louisiana prepared to take to protect students' learning if 
that funding is reduced, particularly in districts that rely 
heavily on Federal support?
    Mr. Brumley. Yes, so we are already engaged in academic 
return on investment procedures, and we have asked local 
systems to do the same. We want to make sure that we are 
focused on initiatives that matter most in that pursuit of 
academic excellence, and teaching kids to read and do math.
    Ms. Lee. Does that imply that there might be cuts?
    Mr. Brumley. You know, we just received this information 
this morning, so obviously we would work with the 
administration, we would work with the Secretary to learn more 
about the impacts of said cuts.
    Ms. Lee. Thank you. We know that State budgets are not 
equipped to make up the educational funding shortfall that this 
administration is proposing. It is past time to abandon the 
playbook where the Federal Government removes the resources 
children need to succeed, and then pushes them, or punishes 
them for failing systems.
    Dr. Wingfield, in your testimony you highlighted that 
differences in race, income, and geography continue to shape 
who has access to high-quality instruction, and who bears the 
burden when systems fail. Briefly, why is literacy instruction 
an equity and a civil rights issue?
    Ms. Wingfield. Having access to the strong literacy of 
being literate within our society allows for economic and 
economic mobility and stability in communities that are more 
literate, are more civically engaged, and they also make better 
choices when it comes to the health and well-being.
    Ms. Lee. Thank you. Your testimony also highlights the long 
history of racialized assumptions about intelligence that I can 
only assume are implicit in the types of instructions some 
folks want to reclaim.
    Given this history, can you explain why inclusive and 
culturally relevant curriculums are beneficial, and why it is 
important, for example, for black students to see themselves 
centered in stories when they are learning to read?
    Ms. Wingfield. Absolutely. We need to create environments 
that are affirming and safe for students, all students, 
especially black students, Latino students, students with 
disabilities, to feel affirmed and safe within their spaces, so 
that they can take the educational risks that are appropriate 
for learning in classroom settings.
    We also need to create environments for those students that 
do not create erasure. They should be able to see themselves 
reflected back in that curriculum, through language and just 
possibilities for themselves outside of the school system. We 
also have to ensure that the different varieties of culture and 
language that students are not coming to school with are being 
perceived as in the biased way from the schoolteachers, leading 
to the way in which they instruct their students.
    I just want to add one key point. I think it is commendable 
the growth that Louisiana has made in their reading scores, but 
if we were to disaggregate that data, and look specifically at 
black students, you will still see an overwhelming gap in the 
reading proficiency.
    We can talk about the science of reading, which is 
incredibly helpful, and it does truly inform, and data truly 
informs instruction in classrooms, but we cannot ignore race 
when we are talking about literacy because not all students are 
experiencing it, or accessing it in the same way.
    Ms. Lee. Thank you. I agree, and I appreciate your 
testimony. Thank you all so much for joining us today and I 
yield back.
    Chairman Kiley. Representative Owens of Utah is recognized.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you so much for this. Let us just start 
off with one fact. Our system has failed our kids for decades. 
Decades. It is interesting that as we are trying to get it 
fixed up, we have people who just do not want to change. Let me 
just kind of go back to 2017 when 75 percent of the black boys 
in the State of California were found to be illiterate. Here in 
D.C., zero proficiency in math.
    We just had--the study just came out that 70--64 percent of 
our kids across the country in eighth grade cannot read and 
write. No, it is time to change, and it is time to change with 
innovation with bills that are at the table here looking at 
ways to get that done.
    I did a little AI stuff here, and I wanted to tie in 
ignorant and free could never be was one of the foundations of 
our country to make sure we were always presenting the smartest 
case in the country in the world.
    This is AI, is ignorance the lack of critical thinking 
skills? Ignorance is primarily the lack of knowledge. It can be 
also stemmed from a lack of critical thinking skills, 
especially when critical thinking processes are inefficient. Is 
there a link between math and critical thinking? Yes.
    By the way, we are failing our kids in math. Yes, critical 
thinking is strongly linked to mathematics, as math inherently 
requires analytical skills, logical reasoning, and problem 
solving. Is critical thinking tied into reading? Yes.
    There are strong, established links between reading and 
critical thinking skills with reading acting as a powerful tool 
for developing of abilities by improving comprehension and 
analysis and evaluation of information. That being said, we 
need to bring this process back to where we are getting our 
kids to think again.
    Dr. Brumley, first of all good seeing you again. You 
mentioned in your Let Teachers Teach Initiative, you said that 
teachers deserve efficient, effective school leaders who reduce 
distractions, and have a conversation. I agree with the 
compensation particularly is based on merit.
    How is your State addressing these issues, and what is the 
effect on the academic results?
    Mr. Brumley. The fact that we have moved from 49th in the 
country on the Nation's report card to 32d today, and number 16 
on fourth grade literacy, is a testament to the teachers. 
Roughly three or 4 years ago, we had about 2,500 teaching 
vacancies in our State, now we have got about 1,000.
    That has to do with smart policies enacted at the State and 
locals doing really good work. We have used differentiated 
compensation to pay teachers more in high need areas, to pay 
teachers more for outstanding results with kids learning. We 
have kicked off our Let Teachers Teach Initiative, which 
removes distractions from the classroom, removes excessive 
trainings for teachers.
    It removes bureaucracy that is burdening them every single 
day. We believe that there is nothing more important. We 
fundamentally believe that there is nothing more important than 
the parent for the child's success, but after that, No. 1 is 
the teacher. If we can make sure that every classroom in the 
State of Louisiana is equipped with a high-quality teacher, we 
will get great results.
    Unfortunately, teachers are telling kids, do not go in the 
teaching profession, and that is a shame. I think that we can 
correct that, and we are correcting that in the State of 
Louisiana with our Let Teachers Teach Initiative, which is 
further empowering and elevating that profession.

    Mr. Owens. Does this impact black kids and white kids 
together, in terms of the strategies. Is there any difference 
in how this is being accepted in the success of it?
    Mr. Brumley. What we see when we look at our NAEP results 
is that Louisiana is outperforming relative states across the 
country in those reading and math scores, and 73 percent of the 
students in our traditional public schools in the State of 
Louisiana we consider economically disadvantaged.
    When we are talking about growth from 50th in reading in 
2019 to 16th today, those are all students. Those are 
economically disadvantaged students. Those are students with 
disabilities, those are black and brown students. We are just 
trying to focus on the merit of this work and really having a 
laser focus on the pursuit of academic excellence every single 
day in our classrooms.
    Mr. Owens. Okay. Ms. Roughton, I am impressed with the 
evidence of the science of reading. What advice would you give 
to teachers who want to teach reading effectively but are not 
getting much support yet from their school leadership?
    Ms. Roughton. Thank you for the question. I think the best 
advice I could give teachers is lean on the evidence. I mean 
the teacher is so powerful in his or her own classroom, and 
there is a lot that we can do, even if an administrator or 
district has not adopted the science of reading, to bring 
structured literacy into our own practice.
    Things like just focusing on phonics and letter sounds, and 
if the teacher--teachers should feel confident to be advocates, 
you know. We cannot argue the data, and I would encourage 
teachers to invite principals into their own classroom, observe 
a science and reading lesson, and just kind of use that as the 
force to push this forward at their own site.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you. Thank you for your innovation, 
appreciate that. I yield back.
    Chairman Kiley. Representative Adams of North Carolina is 
recognized.
    Ms. Adams. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the 
witnesses for being here today. Reading and math are the 
foundations, and they open every other door. If a child cannot 
read by third grade, their chances of graduating on time 
plummet. If they cannot master basic pathway, a pathway into 
today's workforce narrows.
    I know this, not just from the research, but from more than 
40 years in the classroom. I have seen students thrive when 
they get the right support early. I have seen what happens when 
they do not. The nation's report card shows sharp declines in 
both reading and math, especially after the pandemic.
    The students suffering most are the ones who were already 
struggling, low-income students, English learners, and students 
with disabilities. What makes this worse is that we know what 
works. Teacher training, early intervention, high-quality 
curriculum and strong public schools. Instead of investing in 
what works, the Trump administration has cut it away, canceling 
600 million dollars in teacher training grants.
    Their new budget proposes eliminating training altogether. 
You know, you cannot reclaim reading and math while cutting 
teachers off at the knees. Teachers are not the problem. 
Teachers are the solution, but they need tools, they need 
training and the support to do their jobs.
    Dr. Wingfield, welcome, and thank you for your testimony. I 
grew up in Newark. I am very familiar with Rutgers, the State 
university. I graduated from high school there at West Side. 
First, as a former college professor myself, I know that 
teachers are the heart of students' success, but I also know 
that they cannot do it alone.
    Can you tell us why teacher training is so integral to 
helping students learn to read and to do math, and what impact 
will eliminating Federal teaching training funds have on 
classrooms and students?
    Ms. Wingfield. Absolutely, thank you. The same way learning 
to read does not come by osmosis, neither does learning to 
teach children how to read. It is a process. It is very 
structured. Again, I think we all agree that the science of 
reading is a very valid practice, but it requires that you 
learn it, again talking about language variations.
    Us as the leaders or educators in those spaces also have 
language variations, and so our goal is to teach young people 
how to match sounds with letters, so that they could 
potentially decode words on pieces of paper, but we need 
explicit training to be able to do that.
    Talking about literacy as a priority, and then turning 
around and cutting the funding that supports it, undermines 
that effort altogether because teachers need that explicit 
training in the same ways as students need that explicit 
instruction in order for it to be successful.

    Ms. Adams. Thank you. It is kind of hypocritical too I 
think but thank you. Let me turn to another point. The 
administration says that it wants to prioritize evidence-based 
literacy through discretionary funds, but at the same time it 
has a cut or proposed eliminating comprehensive literacy 
development grants and innovative approaches to literacy.
    Programs that already help students and families every day. 
Do you have concerns about cutting these existing literacy 
programs, even as the administration claims, claims to support 
evidence-based approaches?
    Ms. Wingfield. Absolutely, it is very concerning. Again, we 
have many vulnerable populations that will continue to suffer, 
and not be able to advance and make any progress in their 
literacy proficiency. That harms communities overall, it 
impacts the well-being of communities as a whole when we do not 
have the resources in place to be able to support students in 
learning how to read.
    That is--our demographics are also changing, so groups of 
people who are acquiring English, you know, people who are 
learning to read over time won't be able to make the economic 
mobility that's needed to sustain healthy communities.
    Ms. Adams. Okay, thank you. We also know that the gaps are 
widest for students who are already behind, so Dr. Windfield, 
how can the Federal Government best support schools in closing 
these literacy and math gaps so that the children in poverty, 
English learners and students with disabilities don't continue 
to fall further behind?
    Ms. Wingfield. Well, I would say stop cutting the funding 
and freezing the funding that creates chaos within these 
vulnerable communities who rely on every dollar to create 
programming that addresses these issues with our young people 
within our schools. It is also really important for IES to be 
able to maintain its capacity, again, because a lot of the 
research that comes out of IES, it forms the practices that are 
happening within the schools.
    We also use that data to have targeted programing for 
students at need.
    Ms. Adams. Thank you. Well said. I yield back, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Chairman Kiley. Representative Miller of Illinois is 
recognized.
    Mrs. Miller. Thank you, Chairman Kiley, for hosting this 
hearing, and for the witnesses for attending. I am a mom of 7, 
grandma of 23, I started my career in public school. I am 
deeply passionate that our children can learn basic skills and 
learn to read. A child that cannot read has been damaged for 
life.
    I think that my friends on the other side are trying to 
turn this into a discussion about race again. Reading and math 
are foundational to childhood development; however, the United 
States is facing an unprecedented crisis as large portions of 
our population are functionally illiterate and cannot perform 
basic arithmetic.
    This is happening all over the country, all over Illinois, 
but it is epidemic in Chicago where our brown and black 
children live, and the schools are failing them, and we are 
spending so much money. In fact, there is a school in Chicago 
that spends $94,000 a year to educate the children, and not one 
student is proficient in reading.
    In 2024, only 30 percent of Illinois' fourth graders met or 
exceeded reading proficiency. Also, in 2024, only 38 percent of 
Illinois fourth graders met or exceeded math proficiency. 
Illiteracy and inability to do arithmetic contribute to larger 
problems, as children become teenagers and eventually adults.
    In Illinois, high school dropouts are three and a half 
times more likely to be arrested than high school graduates. 
Millions of Americans cannot even perform basic tasks like 
making a budget. Lack of reading and math proficiency puts 
tremendous strain on the economy, as billions of dollars are 
lost each year through decreased productivity and workforce 
inefficiencies.
    More than that, God created these individuals to be 
productive with their life. Now, we have allowed them to be 
damaged. They cannot read. I cannot imagine trying to get 
through life not being able to read.
    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the U.S. will 
need 1 million additional STEM professionally for the next 
decade, but despite all this grim news, it is encouraging to 
see states like Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi, leading the 
way in transforming their schools and climbing to the top tiers 
in reading and math proficiency within a matter of years.
    Dr. Brumley, in your written testimony you State that 
children belong to parents, not the government, with which I 
wholeheartedly agree. Could you talk more about the vital role 
that parents play in their children's education, and what you 
are specifically doing in Louisiana to make sure parents are 
included?
    Mr. Brumley. Yes, thank you so much. First and foremost, I 
would say that we have an incredible opportunity before us 
today to simply narrow the focus and teach kids to read and to 
do math. You know, schools have been asked to do too much for 
way too long. They have been asked to take the place of the 
family, take the place of the church, take the place of the 
hospital., take the place of the supermarket.
    They were never ordained to do those things. Schools should 
be focused on the pursuit of academy excellence with the kids 
under their care every single day. One of our foundational 
beliefs is to accelerate parental rights.
    Anything that we can do to put parents in the driver seat, 
whether that is choosing the school that makes the most sense, 
whether that is making sure that they are making healthcare 
decisions for their child, not the school
    Whether that is making sure there is transparency in 
curriculum. All of those things are very important, and they 
have been welcomed by the parents in the State of Louisiana. We 
have an opportunity before us today to make sure that states 
across the country are being more welcoming to parents and 
their schools.
    Mrs. Miller. Absolutely. Ms. Roughton, it is refreshing to 
see the science of reading standards returning to schools in 
states like Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi, and the 
results they are yielding. Are other states implementing these 
standards, and are they seeing similar results?
    Ms. Roughton. Thank you for your question. Yes. I am 
confident, and the data tells us that more and more states are 
adopting the science of reading, and the data is speaking those 
stories and telling the truth of how effective it is. I can 
speak about my home State, California, where we just recently 
passed an assembly bill that had unanimous bipartisan support.
    That was all focused on getting mandatory screeners for K2, 
so we could assess students and provide early interventions. It 
was about providing quality professional development to support 
our teachers and getting evidence-based reading instructional 
materials in our classrooms.
    Mrs. Miller. I appreciate y'all's testimoneys. I think we 
recognize that we have a problem that you are giving us 
workable solutions. Thank you so much.
    Chairman Kiley. Representative Hayes of Connecticut is 
recognized.
    Mrs. Hayes. Thank you. I first want to start by saying that 
it is not the focus of democrats on this Committee to dismantle 
the Department of Education. It is not the role of the Federal 
Government to write curriculum or develop instructional 
materials for the classroom. I do not think anyone would want 
that.
    Our role is to support State and local efforts in adapting 
policies and laws that promote effective literacy practices. 
Ultimately, states and local school districts are the ones that 
determine how literacy programs are created and implemented, 
not Congress, not this Committee, yet we are here.
    I just want to mention that Mr. Brumley, you did reference 
the NAEP's data, and Louisiana's progress, but I would 
encourage everyone to disaggregate that data a little more, and 
you will see that white students are the ones who experience 
the largest gains, which demonstrates that access to these 
opportunities still exist.
    The Elementary and Secondary Education Act requires that 
states that receive Title IA funds to teach and assess reading 
skills, language arts, mathematics and sciences for specific 
grade levels. There are also other programs, such as Title II 
teacher preparation that provide funding to help improve 
student academic achievements in reading and writing.
    This testimony from the witnesses is probably the best case 
for funding Title I and II programs at the Department of 
Education. ESSA does not dictate how subject matter should be 
taught, but I can tell you as a classroom teacher, I know that 
direct instruction is effective for foundational skills but not 
for developing deeper conceptual knowledge.
    Longterm and sustained Federal investments in our schools, 
particularly in our teachers, is crucial to addressing the 
learning gaps in this country. Teacher preparation, licensure 
standards, professional development, and in service are all 
critical to addressing the learning gaps in this country.
    The actions of this administration do not focus on 
literacy. The ongoing dismantling of the Department of 
Education and efforts to defund K-12 education programs will 
have a negative impact on the ability of schools to teach and 
students to learn.
    For example, the cancellation of 900 million dollars in 
contracts at the Institution of Education Sciences, including 
research on literacy, and the elimination of ESSA Title II 
funding for teacher preparation will actively harm the 
development and implementation of literacy programs.
    Ms. Roughton, I am happy that my republican colleagues have 
invited you here because every word of your testimony 
illuminates the need for early childhood education, so that 
students can learn letter recognition and letter sounds. All of 
those things that are foundational for when they actually begin 
kindergarten, so thank you for all of your words today.
    Ms. Wingfield, Dr. Wingfield, I am sorry, my question is to 
you. Can you speak to some of the best practices that State and 
local school districts can use to achieve better literacy 
outcomes, and how these evidence-based models are actually 
working?
    Ms. Wingfield. I would like to say again, I think that is 
one point that many of us agree on. We, in fact, agree on the 
science of reading. We agree that multitiered systems of 
support actually work to support students. We believe that 
within those tiers, that Tier 3, pulling students for greater 
intervention when they demonstrate that they need more help is 
always good practice.
    Using data to inform your practice is always good practice. 
What we have to be more careful about is looking at that data 
in a more nuanced way. Not all students are experiencing 
literacy and education in the same way, and how can we use that 
data to better support or navigate instruction for those 
students who are not experiencing it in a way that is allowing 
them to be successful or proficient.
    Mrs. Hayes. I want to thank you for your testimony today 
because you have actually drawn into the fact that we rely on 
these NAEP scores, which are federally funded. We can 
disaggregate these scores to give us the information that we 
need to pinpoint where the issues are and actually address them 
for students. This is not a one size fits all approach.
    We agree with that, and local districts should be able to 
make those informed decisions and precisely hone in on the 
students who need it most. That does not happen by defunding 
the Federal agency that actually is there to support districts. 
Dr. Brumley, you thanked the Trump administration for all of 
your progress; however, you noted that this effort began 5 
years ago.
    Federal funding has helped with that, so 5 years ago the 
Trump administration was not the administration who was in 
charge. It was actually the Biden administration, and massive 
investments into districts like yours, have definitely 
benefited. Yes, we are not afraid of change. We are not afraid 
of looking at the data and using it to inform our decision, but 
we cannot ignore what the data tells us. Thank you, I yield 
back.
    Chairman Kiley. Representative Moylan of Guam is 
recognized.
    Mr. Moylan. Chairman Kiley, and Ranking Member Bonamici, 
thank you for hosting today's important hearing on literacy and 
numeracy. The nation's report card shows a decline in both 
fourth and eighth grade reading and math scores. There is no 
reason why in 2025 two thirds of our children should be failing 
behind perhaps even worse, the long-term trend assessment shows 
scores have been nearly flat since 1971.
    The math just does not add up, and we need innovative--to 
be innovative in our approach to education and support 
students, educators, and families to achieve to the highest 
possible level. Dr. Brumley, since implementing the Let 
Teachers Teach Initiative, what worked best for improving 
educational outcomes, and what could use improvement?
    Mr. Brumley. Yes. Thank you so much. First of all, reliance 
on D.C. is not going to flip the trajectory for educational 
outcomes across this country. We need reform within the states. 
That is what we have done. In terms of literacy, you know, we 
banned three cuing, we trained all K through teachers across 
the State on the science of reading.
    We went into the colleges and worked there. We tutor all of 
our kids needing support. We give screeners multiple times a 
year. We do parent notifications, so then they know the status 
of their kid's ability to read. We do third grade promotion 
policies. We have taken a policy centric approach to making 
things better in our State, and that is where the reforms have 
to come from within the states.
    What I would suggest to you is that our Let Teachers Teach 
Initiative has been really important. From that information, we 
have banned cell phones in all of our classrooms across the 
State of Louisiana, which has been so impactful. We have taken 
a stronger approach on making sure that schools are peaceful 
and they are orderly so that teachers can teach free from 
distraction and students can learn from distraction.
    These changes have been overwhelmingly well received by 
teachers in our State, and that is why we have cut teaching 
vacancies by over 50 percent over the last few years. The 
teacher is so fundamentally important, and I am not aware of 
any teacher in the State of Louisiana that is relying on D.C. 
for their training, for their curriculum, any of those things, 
as has been mentioned earlier.
    What we need to do is we need to as much as possible, block 
grant, formula grant, directly to the states where State 
leaders, moms and dads can make decisions alongside their 
teachers on the best way to get better outcomes for kids 
without additional bureaucracy here in D.C.
    We know that employees at the Department of Education in 
D.C., many of them have been removed, are no longer there. We 
have not felt one single impact from that in the State of 
Louisiana. We just need the funds to flow directly to us, so we 
can make decisions in the best interests of our kids.
    Mr. Moylan. Well said, sir. Thank you. Mr. Harrison, 
congratulations on Saraland, that is excellent what is coming 
around. What does Saraland do differently in its school 
educator relationships that causes such a high performance 
outcomes?
    Mr. Harrison. I think when you look at the culture of what 
we established at Saraland City Schools is primarily what's 
turned, I guess for us. We take a teacher led process, in the 
fact that any programs, any type of programs that we put in the 
classroom we get our teacher leaders on board first, train 
them, get them professional development, and then we go back 
and do a whole professional development with our entire staff. 
We have buy in from all of our teachers that way.

    It is not something that is directed from the 
administration. It is something that is led by our teachers, 
and that is something I would say within the science of reading 
and what we are doing in our math curriculum, our teachers are 
the ones that wear the boots on the ground, so to speak, 
getting the training, getting everybody behind the programs. 
That is why I think a big reason why we have a lot of success 
in English and math.
    Mr. Moylan. One other thing, the education is fundamentally 
a nonFederal issue when it comes to curriculum building. How 
can the Federal Government empower districts to further enhance 
literacy and numeracy rates?
    Mr. Harrison. I think from a standpoint of trusting our 
State leaders. You know, obviously, Governor Ivey, and our 
Governor and our State Superintendent Eric Mackey, have done a 
phenomenal job with directing the State of Alabama. Our NAEP 
scores have jumped tremendously in the last several years. 
Trusting in our elected folks and our appointed folks, I think 
is pivotal, and again, I think we have got a great leadership 
within the State of Alabama.
    Mr. Moylan. Thank you to our witnesses. Mr. Chairman, I 
yield back.
    Chairman Kiley. Representative Mannion of New York is 
recognized.
    Mr. Mannion. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, thank you to the 
witnesses for participating here today, and joining this 
important discussion. Reading and math skills are fundamental 
in setting our students up for lifelong success, both in and 
out of the classroom, to open doors for future generations, 
improving proficiency and student achievement in these core 
subjects should be a national priority.
    As a former public school teacher of almost 30 years, and 
someone who represented almost 400 teachers in a teacher's 
association, and is the spouse of an elementary school teacher, 
an early literacy expert, and instructional coach who develops 
culturally responsive curriculum, I have seen firsthand how the 
teaching profession has changed, and benefited from new, 
evidence-based approaches, including the science of learning.
    As I was the teacher association President in a school 
district that implemented the science of reading, there was 
great skepticism from many of the teachers that had taught 
reading for a long period of time. It was implemented not 
starting at the kindergarten level, but broad based all the way 
across the board, and I can tell you that the teachers 
experienced excessive--intensive, excuse me, training in 
preparation for this implementation, and the success was 
resounding, and the buy-in was massive.
    Instructional--classroom instruction is just a part of the 
equation, and for our country to truly raise the bar in reading 
and math, our students need strong support systems. We need 
intensive teacher training, and professional development. We 
need high impact tutoring, mentoring, after school programs and 
health and wellness support.
    I have recently introduced into legislation a Teachers Are 
Leaders Act, which will make sure that we do support our new 
teachers, and we use our veteran teachers to help with their 
professional development.
    It is troubling to see what is happening in this 
administration at a critical time in our country, that we are 
creating a Federal voucher system that is going to divert 
taxpayer money to private schools, terminating critical 
education science research, withholding billions in funding for 
our K to 12 schools, canceling Americorps grants that directly 
support youth literacy, and one to one tutoring.
    My question is for you, Dr. Wingfield. I appreciate your 
written testimony discussing these Federal disruptions. Can you 
expand on how these actions are expected to impact reading and 
math skills for students with the greatest needs, including 
students that live in impoverished communities, students with 
disabilities or English language learners?
    Ms. Wingfield. Yes. Thank you. I want to lead by saying 
that our public schools are really anchors within our 
community, and so that is beneficial to both the schools and 
the community because it helps build those bridges, and the 
educators within those school buildings have a better 
understanding for the community in which they are working with.
    With that being said, the fundings being cut--the funds 
that are being cut directly impact the programming that assists 
families with acquiring English, that assist the high-impact 
tutoring that was offered during after school time, or Saturday 
time, or summertime that really helped bring up those test 
scores for a lot of our vulnerable communities after Covid.
    You talked about teacher training, and teacher mentors. A 
lot of preservice teachers, and novice teachers returning to 
the field need that level of mentorship from advanced teachers 
in order to make the appropriate choices and begin to learn how 
to read that data that informs their practice as well.
    After school programs, subsidies for families, or just 
lunch aid for students, all impact the quality of learning for 
students, and if those are cut then we will see a decline in 
instruction because students do not have the stability of those 
programming, or the additional resources that help them 
progress through school.
    Mr. Mannion. Thank you for that answer. As you pointed out 
in your testimony previously, there are disparities in the NAEP 
performance based on socioeconomic status. From your 
perspective, how will the administration's actions, especially 
impact students in high poverty, or under-resourced schools?
    Ms. Wingfield. It will harm them further. Those vulnerable 
communities, again, it has a lot to do with access and supports 
in order to help create that stability, and additional 
resources for learning, we will see greater harm done. It 
creates unsafe environments.
    Mr. Mannion. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Moylan
    [presiding]. I now recognize Mr. Messmer from Indiana for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Messmer. Thank you Chairman, and thank you to the 
witnesses for being here today to share your expertise on how 
we can get education back on track. Dr. Harrison, your home 
schools' districts have seen an astounding comeback in State 
and national rankings in recent years.
    How do you use formative and summative assessment data to 
recognize the improvements and learning metrics and tweak your 
strategies based on what you see?
    Mr. Harrison. For us, our formative and summative data is 
pivotal in how we assess our students. We try to meet every 
child where they are from an educational standpoint, so we take 
that data and literally formulate educational plans for all of 
our students depending on where they are with proficiency.
    At our elementary level, our instructional partners, our 
instructional coaches, as well as our literacy teachers will 
pull students when they are deficient in reading, and provide 
Tier 2 and Tier 3 intervention for them on a daily basis, and 
that also includes math as well once we get data back on our 
students.
    That is pivotal for us, and we believe in looking at data 
day in and day out. That is probably the secret to what we do 
is looking at our data from our students across the board 
starting at kindergarten. We provide them with formative tests 
to see where they are and all the way through high school.
    It is something that we believe in. It is something that we 
found a lot of success in for us because it is a road map. If 
we do not know where they are we cannot tell--we cannot help 
them get to where they are going.
    Mr. Messmer. Excellent, thank you. Ms. Roughton, in your 
testimony you shared steps the State and local government must 
take to increase effectiveness of learning in schools. How can 
we equip families with the resources they need to supplement 
their child's learning?
    Ms. Roughton. Thank you for your question. I could speak 
for my home State, California, and the work that I do with 
Luminous Minds that we focus on family engagement initiatives, 
and a big part of that is just giving parents knowledge and 
resources, and how they can better work with their children at 
home.
    I would like to recognize that the parent is a child's 
first, best, and most important teacher, and one simple thing 
that parents can do is just read to their children as much as 
possible. There are many districts in California that are 
partnering with local agencies that are bringing in family 
literacy nights, parent workshops to teach parents about the 
science of reading, and strategies that they can utilize at 
home to help develop their child's literacy.
    Mr. Messmer. Is California one of those states that is 
transitioned to the science-based reading models?
    Ms. Roughton. Yes. We are a little late in the game, but we 
just recently had an assembly bill passed with bipartisan 
support that is going to require evidence-based reading 
instructional materials within the classroom. There is a big 
emphasis on coaches and professional development training for 
teachers and making sure that we properly assess our students.
    Mr. Messmer. Thank you. Dr. Brumley, your State has also 
greatly improved in the educational outcomes in the past couple 
of years. In your opinion, how does removing Federal 
bureaucracy and sending educational choice back to the states 
help states like Louisiana in their mission to improve literacy 
and numeracy?
    Mr. Brumley. I am honored to tell Louisiana's historic 
education progress. We have been long challenged educationally. 
I am thankful to our Governor, Governor Landry, our 
legislature, our State board, and then the educators across the 
State that are doing amazing work.
    My conversations with the Trump administration with 
Secretary McMahon had been around increased flexibilities for 
states to make decisions in the best interests of children 
within their State. I appreciate education as a state's right 
issue, and I think that individual states ought to be able to 
make those decisions.
    I have not suggested reduced funding. I have not suggested 
removal of any law, such as IDEA, or discrimination laws. We 
are just saying less bureaucracy, less strings attached, 
further empowering states to work with teachers and moms and 
dads, and we can continue to see results improve in the State 
of Louisiana, and that is what I am here to ask for today.
    Mr. Messmer. Thank you, Dr. Brumley. I honestly appreciate 
that you have focused so much on getting science of reading 
into classrooms. How do you convince skeptical veteran teachers 
that the science of reading is rooted in evidence and not just 
a passing gimmick?
    Mr. Brumley. Well, the results speak for themselves. For us 
to go from 50th in the country for fourth grade reading in 2019 
to number 16 today, it did not happen by chance. It happened 
becausea set of policies were put into play, and the teachers 
across our State, and the leaders across our State absorbed it, 
and they said we can do this. We want to address this reading 
crisis together, and that is what we have done. We are taking 
on math.
    We believe that every kid is a math kid in the State of 
Louisiana, and we are going to make sure those outcomes for 
math mirror those for literacy.
    Mr. Messmer. Okay, thank you. Thank you for your answers, 
and I yield back the remainder of my time.
    Mr. Moylan. I now recognize Mr. Harris from North Carolina 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Harris. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks to all of 
you on the panel for your incredible expertise, and testimoneys 
today. You have given us some guidance, and leadership. I 
wanted to just ask you a couple of questions really. Parental 
engagement is an important factor that I think we've heard 
discussed here today, and Dr. Brumley, I noticed in your 
testimony that I enjoyed reading, said that parents, and this 
is a quote, ``Parents send their children to school expecting 
strong instruction in reading, math, science, and history, not 
indoctrination in divisive issues.''
    I think you are spot on. I agree 100 percent. Across the 
country we have seen parents that have become outraged in a lot 
of places at the ridiculous indoctrination that is happening in 
many of the schools. I guess my question to you is how do you 
keep political indoctrination out of your State, and how do you 
keep classrooms focused on learning the essential math and 
reading skills?
    Mr. Brumley. We do everything within our power to keep the 
main thing the main thing. Whether we are having conversations 
with teachers or school boards, or the legislature, or 
advocates, it is about how can we together pursue academic 
excellence in these key content areas.
    When I talk to moms and dads, they want to make sure when 
their kid goes to school, they are safe every day. They are 
taken care of. They want to make sure they are learning how to 
read, do math, understand the history of their country, and the 
civics that underpin that. They are not interested in chasing 
all these extraneous issues.
    They just want to make sure their kids get a good, high-
quality education. The school does not have to be fancy. The 
curriculum does not have to be fancy. Parents just want 
teachers and schools that care for their kids, understand that 
the kid belongs to the parent, not the school.
    They want them taken care of it, and they want to make sure 
they get a high quality education every day.
    Mr. Harris. Fair enough. Well, along those same lines, 
parents are essential partners in a child's education and can 
be a great asset to improving their child's literacy and 
numeracy. What steps has your State taken to empower the 
parents to help their children improve in reading and math 
outside of the classroom?
    Mr. Brumley. Well, one of the things that we have done is 
we have made sure that parents are well informed of their 
child's progress. We provide screeners and those results are 
shared with parents around reading, around math. We have 
provided voucher programs for parents, so that they can provide 
their kids with private tutors after school and on the 
weekends.
    We have increased access to curriculum, so parents can 
understand what is happening in the school. One of the most 
important things that has been so well received by our parents 
in the State of Louisiana, is making sure that parents 
understand that they are in charge of health-related issues 
with their child.
    The child is not going to the hospital when they go to the 
school. They are going to an academic institution, and parents 
are making those decisions.
    Mr. Harris. All right. Very good. Thank you. Ms. Roughton, 
let me just talk to you for a moment about the comments that 
you made, which have been excellent. My daughter is a first-
grade teacher, and the science of reading is very important to 
her, as well as my wife is an eighth-grade American history 
teacher.
    Education is a big part in our household. Too often we hear 
about lowering standards in the name of equity, and I want to 
ask you do you agree that raising expectations and pursuing 
excellence in math and reading is the real path to opportunity 
for every child, regardless of background?
    Ms. Roughton. Yes. Thank you for your question. I 
absolutely believe in high expectations for all students. We 
should be teaching our children using age appropriate, high-
quality resources in the classroom, and in my work in the 
primary space, that is extremely important. We never want to be 
dumbing down our instructional practices.
    We want to maintain the belief that every child can and 
will succeed, and rise to expectations with rigorous 
curriculum, given the proper instruction in the classroom.
    Mr. Harris. Well, as you have said in your testimony, and I 
quote, ``Literacy is the foundation of opportunity, equity and 
civic participation.'' States and teachers I think should 
support learning methods that will push all of our students to 
do their best, not lowering states because others cannot keep 
up, so I do appreciate the testimony, and all of you again for 
your time, and what you have been willing to share today.
    With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Kiley. The Representative of the reigning member of the 
Full Committee, Representative Scott of Virginia is recognized.
    Mr. Scott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank the 
witnesses for being with us today. I noticed we have a State 
Superintendent and a Local Superintendent, and I would ask them 
that the Every Student Succeeds Act requires an identification 
of achievement gaps, and a plan to eliminate those achievement 
gaps. Can you say what is going on in Louisiana and Saraland to 
comply with those requirements?
    Mr. Brumley. Thank you for the question. We are most 
interested in every student in our State getting an outstanding 
education. I think No. 1, it comes with making sure that every 
student has access to high quality teachers, so many of our 
initiatives around cutting vacancies have been really 
impactful.
    Next, making sure that local systems are delivering on 
high-quality instructional materials for students is really 
important. The other piece I think, or two pieces that I think 
work hand in hand, one is a school and system level 
accountability, making sure that systems and schools are doing 
the job that they are tasked to do, and providing the public 
with an honest look at school quality. I think that is 
important.
    Then finally, another piece that matters a lot is tutoring. 
What we have done in our State is made sure that every student 
who is not yet proficient in an academic content area, 
particularly in elementary, receive that additional support 
during the day, but also parents have the opportunity to 
utilize voucher programs in the evenings and in the weekends to 
get additional support beyond the school day.
    I think we have a pretty robust approach to this, and I 
think our results will continue to improve.
    Mr. Scott. Thank you.
    Dr. Harrison.
    Mr. Harrison. Yes. At a local level with what we do, 
obviously we give all of our students formative tests to see 
where they are. From that test and that data, we are able to 
design Tier 2 and Tier 3 instruction to bring them up to the 
level of what their peers are. From that point we coordinate 
with our teachers to ensure that they are receiving the 
scaffolds that they need, so they are not getting left behind 
with Tier 1 instruction.
    There is a very coordinated effort with our teachers at all 
of our schools. We also provide tutoring after school at all of 
our schools at different levels, at different times, depending 
on subject area. We try to provide our students with as many 
opportunities outsides of the school day as well as take care 
of them during the school day with the Tier 2 and Tier 3 
instruction.
    Mr. Scott. While I have got you, Dr. Harrison, the American 
Rescue Plan had money to address lost learning due to Covid. 
What did you do with the money, and did it make a difference?
    Mr. Harrison. For us, with a lot of the money we received 
from the Covid relief, we were able to shift some of the things 
we were paying for, whether it be personnel, and/or medical 
equipment, things of that nature. We were able to provide more 
professional development to our teachers through that funding.
    Mr. Scott. Did it make a difference?
    Mr. Harrison. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Scott. Thank you. Dr. Wingfield, you mentioned equity, 
does that require lowering standards?
    Ms. Wingfield. No. Equity does not require lowering 
standards, and we should always have high expectations for our 
students of all backgrounds. What is important to note is that 
equity requires us finding the appropriate entry point to best 
support that student to bring them to the level of proficiency.
    Mr. Scott. Thank you. Does research suggest that some 
children may or may not respond to one reading instruction 
technique better than others?
    Ms. Wingfield. Yes. Sometimes we have to use different 
techniques to support different kinds of learners.
    Mr. Scott. Ms. Roughton, did you find the same thing, same 
kind of research that some students respond to different 
techniques and strategies for teaching?
    Ms. Roughton. Yes. I mean definitely every child learns in 
unique and different ways, but when we are talking about 
literacy, the science of reading was very clear that this was 
the most successful practice for all children. That was our 
children that were at risk. That was our children with learning 
differences and special needs.
    That was the same story for our proficient or advanced 
children.
    Mr. Scott. Thank you. Dr. Wingfield, can you talk about the 
importance of disaggregated data to properly understand what is 
actually happening?
    Ms. Wingfield. Absolutely. I think throughout this entire 
testimony we talked a lot about growth in school districts, but 
when you look at the data you will see that gaps between white 
students and black students are large, specifically in 
Louisiana. I believe this past year's fourth grade data had a 
32-point difference. What we that indicates to us is that there 
is something happening where it is not accessible to those same 
students, and it does not require again to dumb down our 
curriculum.
    It requires that you find the appropriate entry point to 
bring all students to proficiency. I think too, just very 
quickly, it is very also important to follow that data for 
students with disabilities as well. While the science of 
reading works for all students, I genuinely believe that. It 
does not show up or look the same in every classroom setting, 
again, because of cultural racial linguistic differences, and 
so how can we address those?
    Mr. Scott. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I would ask the 
witnesses to provide us with any research we actually ought to 
be reviewing. We have talked about science and things like 
that. What rather than give opinions, if you could provide us 
with research we ought to be reviewing, I think it would help 
us to make decisions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Chairman Kiley. Thank you very much to all our witnesses. I 
will now recognize the Ranking Member for closing remarks.
    Ms. Bonamici. Well, thank you very much Mr. Chairman, and 
thank you for your testimony and your expertise, all of the 
witnesses. I agree with Representative Hayes, who was a 
National Teacher of the Year, that you played a great case for 
funding Title I, Title II, Institute of Education Sciences. You 
know, public education in this country has been chronically 
underfunded for decades, and too many students are suffering 
because of it.
    Even though local and State governments are primarily 
responsible for school funding, the Federal Government has a 
very important role to play in closing opportunity gaps. 
Instead of making these critical investments in public 
education, the Trump administration is threatening to dismantle 
the Department of Education, closing the doors of opportunity 
for scores of our Nation's students, and that is a tremendous 
loss of potential.
    I note that those who say ``well, we support Title I, IDEA, 
and these other programs, the Department of Education monitors 
and enforces those programs, and operates them.'' Without the 
Department of Education, we do not know what will happen to 
them.
    The administration and republicans are touting voucher 
schemes as a solution, but as Dr. Wingfield testified, vouchers 
take much needed funding from public schools and give it to 
wealthy families to subsidize sending their kids to private 
schools. Plenty of evidence shows that vouchers do not improve 
the academic outcomes.
    They allow a few students to slip out, but they leave poor 
and rural students to inferior resources and fewer 
opportunities. They lack transparency and accountability, and 
they are a misuse of taxpayer dollars. I will note that the 
majority points to declining NAEP scores as the reason for 
including, excuse me, increasing private voucher schemes and 
predatory school choice initiatives, but they have yet to 
produce any test scores that prove that students who attend 
private schools are outperforming public school students.
    In fact, in Louisiana, voucher students at private schools 
are performing worse on State tests than their peers in public 
schools. That is according to the Times Picayune and the New 
Orleans Advocate. They reported that in 2023 only 14 percent of 
voucher students in grades 3 through 8 met State achievement 
goals, compared with 23 percent of low-income students at 
public schools.
    I would like to enter that into the record, that article, 
Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Kiley. Without objection.
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    Ms. Bonamici. According to Education Choice in the 2025 
ranking, Florida and Arizona ranked number 1 and 2 when it 
comes to using public funds to bolster private school choice 
schemes, but this approach has consequences. The NAEP scores 
revealed that both Florida and Arizona fell below the national 
average in eighth grade math and reading.
    Additionally, I would also like to enter into the record a 
report released yesterday by the Education Policy Analysis 
Archives at Arizona State University that comprehensively 
reviewed State voucher laws since 1869.
    That report concluded comprehensively that school vouchers 
have failed students, families and our Nation, draining public 
school funding, and exacerbating inequities without improving 
our Nation's education system, and I would also like to 
introduce that into the record.
    Chairman Kiley. Without objection.
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    Ms. Bonamici. Thank you. Dr. Brumley claimed that yes, your 
State was not affected by cuts to Federal funding. A recent 
article in KPEL Lafayette News revealed that a superintendent 
was discussing finding the challenges of the Federal funding 
freeze, and said it really caught them off guard, and I would 
like to introduce that into the record as well.
    Chairman Kiley. Without objection.
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    Ms. Bonamici. Thank you. You know the American public 
school education system faces challenges no doubt, but with 90 
percent of our students enrolled, it will always be the 
foundation on which to build our Nation's future. We need these 
long-term investments, and the research to get students on 
track to success, but also ready for the future.
    We looked at the proliferation, for example, of artificial 
intelligence in schools, and the workforce. That means we need 
to instill creative critical thinking as Representative Burgess 
mentioned. It is important to educate critical thinkers. Years 
of research shows that students who have arts education do 
better in other academic subjects and are more likely to stay 
in school.
    For those of you who want to see academic achievement and 
improvement, I invite you to join on my bipartisan Arts 
Education for All Bill. When we think about NAEP scores, those 
are test scores. Keep in mind there is a mental health crisis 
in our Nation's schools.
    A North Carolina publication recently revealed that nearly 
1 in 5 adolescents in North Carolina suffered from depression, 
and 1 in 10 of the high school students there reported 
attempting suicide. Colleagues, this is a serious issue we 
should be grappling with as well.
    Also, Dr. Brumley, you said parents want their kids to be 
safe. Absolutely they do. After the school shooting at St. 
Helena High School in Greensburg, Louisiana, a high school 
student said my generation is being forced to normalize living 
and learning in constant fear of gunfire ringing out in our 
schools.
    Students who are worried about being gunned down in their 
classroom are in survival mode, they are not focused on getting 
good test scores. Students who live in fear of ICE raids, as 
Representative Lee mentioned, coming into their school and 
taking their classmates.
    They will have trouble focusing on learning, reading and 
math. Finally, Mr. Chairman, I hope we can work together to fix 
our crumbling school buildings, so that every child, regardless 
of their background or their income, can learn in a place that 
reinforces to them that they have a bright future.
    Thank you, I look forward to continuing the conversation on 
these important issues, and I yield back the balance of my 
time.
    Chairman Kiley. Thank you very much. I want to say thank 
you again to our truly outstanding witnesses. I think this was 
a very important hearing, and I want to also thank members on 
both sides for the thoughtful questions, while we might not 
agree on every issue, there seems to be quite a bit of 
agreement that the reading wars are over, that we need to 
return to teaching foundational literacy and foundational 
numeracy.
    I think we have three takeaways from today's hearing. No. 1 
is the stakes. We heard from Ms. Roughton that two thirds of 
kids are not reading at proficiency right now. We also heard 
from Dr. Wingfield, that if you do not read at a proficient 
level by third grade that you are four times more likely to 
drop out of high school.
    The second takeaway is the science. Ms. Roughton said, ``We 
know what works, but it just has not been fully implemented 
across the country.'' Dr. Brumley in Louisiana is calling this 
a back-to-basics approach that involves building foundational 
literacy and numeracy skills.
    Dr. Harrison, in his district in Alabama, has stressed the 
importance of making data base decisions. I think you said that 
you eat, sleep and breath data when it comes to how to best 
assist students.
    Then a third takeaway is the path forward because we have 
seen from the record of our witnesses today that we really can 
be phenomenal results when these things are taught in the right 
way, so Dr. Brumley's State of Louisiana has moved from 50th to 
16th in literacy in a relatively short amount of time.
    In Dr. Harrison's district in Alabama, 257 out of 262 third 
graders actually met proficiency levels, which is you know, 
miles ahead of the national average. It is my hope that the 
work that you have done, and the work that Ms. Roughton's group 
is doing at schools across California and across the country, 
as you have shared today, can serve as an inspiration to school 
leaders and policymakers throughout the country.
    That young people can learn the skills they need early on 
to go from learning to read to reading to learn an can learn 
the foundational math skills that are necessary for the 
workplace, and to navigate a complex world. If we can do that, 
then we can reverse our Nation's educational decline. We can 
help millions of kids have better lives, and our country will 
be a lot better off for it.
    Without objection, there being no further business, the 
Committee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 12:01 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]

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