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                                 BEFORE A

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                       COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

                         HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                     ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                              FIRST SESSION 
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             SUBCOMMITTEE ON LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, 
                     EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES

                  ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama, Chairman
                  
  JULIA LETLOW, Louisiana,              ROSA L. DeLAURO, Connecticut,            
    Vice Chair                            Ranking Member        
  MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho             STENY H. HOYER, Maryland                      
  ANDY HARRIS, Maryland                 MARK POCAN, Wisconsin                 
  CHARLES J. ``CHUCK'' FLEISCHMANN,     LOIS FRANKEL, Florida                           
    Tennessee                           BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN, New Jersey       
  JOHN R. MOOLENAAR, Michigan           JOSH HARDER, California                    
  ANDREW S. CLYDE, Georgia              MADELEINE DEAN, Pennsylvania               
  JAKE ELLZEY, Texas                             
  STEPHANIE I. BICE, Oklahoma                             
  RILEY M. MOORE, West Virginia                                      

  NOTE: Under committee rules, Mr. Cole, as chairman of the full 
committee, and Ms. DeLauro, as ranking minority member of the full 
committee, are authorized to sit as members of all subcommittees.

               Kathryn Salmon, Emily Goff, James Redstone,
               Kirk Boyle, Jaime Varela, and Emma Lou Ford
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                RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2026 
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                                 HEARINGS

                                 BEFORE A

                           SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

                       COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

                         HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                     ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                              FIRST SESSION 
                               ___________ 

             SUBCOMMITTEE ON LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, 
                     EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES 

                  ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama, Chairman 

  JULIA LETLOW, Louisiana,              ROSA L. DeLAURO, Connecticut,            
    Vice Chair                            Ranking Member        
  MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho             STENY H. HOYER, Maryland                      
  ANDY HARRIS, Maryland                 MARK POCAN, Wisconsin                 
  CHARLES J. ``CHUCK'' FLEISCHMANN,     LOIS FRANKEL, Florida                           
    Tennessee                           BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN, New Jersey       
  JOHN R. MOOLENAAR, Michigan           JOSH HARDER, California                    
  ANDREW S. CLYDE, Georgia              MADELEINE DEAN, Pennsylvania               
  JAKE ELLZEY, Texas                             
  STEPHANIE I. BICE, Oklahoma                             
  RILEY M. MOORE, West Virginia 

  NOTE: Under committee rules, Mr. Cole, as chairman of the full 
committee, and Ms. DeLauro, as ranking minority member of the full 
committee, are authorized to sit as members of all subcommittees.

               Kathryn Salmon, Emily Goff, James Redstone,
               Kirk Boyle, Jaime Varela, and Emma Lou Ford
                            Subcommittee Staff
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                   HOUSE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS 
                              
                      TOM COLE, Oklahoma, Chairman

  HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky,                ROSA L. DeLAURO, Connecticut,            
    Chairman Emeritus                       Ranking Member         
  ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama             STENY H. HOYER, Maryland               
  MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho               MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio               
  JOHN R. CARTER, Texas                   JAMES E. CLYBURN, South Carolina           
  KEN CALVERT, California                 SANFORD D. BISHOP, Jr., Georgia              
  MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida              BETTY McCOLLUM, Minnesota             
  STEVE WOMACK, Arkansas                  DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, Florida              
  CHARLES J. ``CHUCK'' FLEISCHMANN,       HENRY CUELLAR, Texas                  
    Tennessee                             CHELLIE PINGREE, Maine               
  DAVID P. JOYCE, Ohio                    MIKE QUIGLEY, Illinois 
  ANDY HARRIS, Maryland                   GRACE MENG, New York
  MARK E. AMODEI, Nevada                  MARK POCAN, Wisconsin       
  DAVID G. VALADAO, California            PETE AGUILAR, California             
  DAN NEWHOUSE, Washington                LOIS FRANKEL, Florida
  JOHN R. MOOLENAAR, Michigan             BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN, New Jersey                                
  JOHN H. RUTHERFORD, Florida             NORMA J. TORRES, California            
  BEN CLINE, Virginia                     ED CASE, Hawaii        
  GUY RESCHENTHALER, Pennsylvania         ADRIANO ESPAILLAT, New York                       
  ASHLEY HINSON, Iowa                     JOSH HARDER, California
  TONY GONZALES, Texas                    LAUREN UNDERWOOD, Illinois   
  JULIA LETLOW, Louisiana                 SUSIE LEE, Nevada                  
  MICHAEL CLOUD, Texas                    JOSEPH D. MORELLE, New York             
  MICHAEL GUEST, Mississippi              MIKE LEVIN, California                     
  RYAN K. ZINKE, Montana                  MADELEINE DEAN, Pennsylvania               
  ANDREW S. CLYDE, Georgia                VERONICA ESCOBAR, Texas                           
  STEPHANIE I. BICE, Oklahoma             FRANK J. MRVAN, Indiana                   
  SCOTT FRANKLIN, Florida                 MARIE GLUESENKAMP PEREZ,                      
  JAKE ELLZEY, Texas                        Washington                 
  JUAN CISCOMANI, Arizona                 GLENN IVEY, Maryland     
  CHUCK EDWARDS, North Carolina                                  
  MARK ALFORD, Missouri                                           
  NICK LaLOTA, New York                                      
  DALE W. STRONG, Alabama                                      
  CELESTE MALOY, Utah                                   
  RILEY M. MOORE, West Virginia                                           
                             
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                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

         TESTIMONY OF INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS

                                WITNESS

JESSICA PESCATORE, CLINICAL DIRECTOR, ALABAMA POISON INFORMATION 
    CENTER, AMERICA'S POISON CENTERS 
    
    Mr. Aderholt. Okay. The committee will come to order, and I 
wanted to say good morning to everyone. It is my pleasure to 
welcome everyone to the Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human 
Services, and Education, and for what is our hearing to hear 
from outside experts and the public.
    This is our Public Witness Day. It is an opportunity for 
members of the public to come before this panel and to draw our 
attention to issues of importance to them. I look forward to 
hearing from our witnesses this morning as we learn more 
regarding the challenges facing our constituents and also 
communities across the country and, at the end of the day, what 
this subcommittee can do to try to be of help.
    For our witnesses, a 5-minute clock will be the countdown 
on the microphone box that will be in front of you as you take 
the chair, and you will have 1 minute remaining when the light 
turns yellow. That, of course, will just be an indication, a 
signal for you to begin to wrap up your testimony. Remember, of 
course, all of your testimony, your written statement will be 
submitted to the committee and will appear in the hearing 
record. So if you don't get to all of your comments, they will 
be submitted for the record.
    But before we begin, I would like to turn to the ranking 
member of the full committee and the subcommittee here, Rosa 
DeLauro, for any remarks that she would like to make.
    Ms. DeLauro. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. It is a 
pleasure to join with you this morning, and thank you for 
holding this hearing with our wonderful public witnesses to 
discuss the 2026 budget.
    To our witnesses, we just offer a welcome to you to the 
Labor, Health, Human Services, and Education Subcommittee of 
Appropriations. I want to express my sincere gratitude to all 
of you and appreciation for the work that you do and on whose 
behalf you do it. You are such wonderful, wonderful advocates, 
and we thank you for the written testimonies for the record. 
Your advocacy and your testimony is invaluable to us and to the 
subcommittee's bill. I have said so many times in the past, 
today's hearing is really one of the most important parts of 
this subcommittee's process.
    The programs in Labor, HHS in this bill, they level the 
playing field for low-income children looking to get a good 
education. They equip our Nation to deal with public health 
emergencies, they fund lifesaving biomedical research, and they 
help Americans get the skills that they need to be able to find 
a job. And the list goes on and on and on because the programs 
directly impact the lives of every American across our country, 
especially children, workers, middle-class, families, and 
seniors.
    We are challenged these days with the future of some of 
these programs as there have been, as you know, illegal freeze 
payments, which take funds from programs that I believe 
American families and businesses rely on, and especially in the 
area that we are looking at that are under the jurisdiction of 
this subcommittee in both education, which we know there is a 
move to eliminate the Department of Education, and really, for 
me, that is about eliminating public education, which is so 
critical to our children. And the Department of Health and 
Human Services is undergoing this rapid transformation with the 
loss of potentially up to 20,000 people. So we know that 
thousands of Federal workers have been fired, billions of 
dollars canceled in funding for education. With regard to 
education, if you eliminate Title I of Education, we would lose 
72,000 teachers across the country, and then there will be more 
to come.
    I am very troubled by what is happening at HHS because of 
what is the threat to destroy the agencies that protect 
America's health. That includes the Center for Disease Control 
and Prevention, the National Institutes of Health, the Food and 
Drug Administration. Twenty thousand workers, as I have said, 
have been fired at HHS. That is one-fourth of their workforce, 
$12 billion in funds provided by the Congress for public health 
and substance abuse treatment. I believe what we will see next 
is the Department of Labor and already terminated funding for 
the Bureau of International Labor Affairs, or ILAB, an Agency 
whose mission is to ensure American workers are not put at a 
disadvantage by countries who violate their labor commitments 
under our trade agreements. We expect the axe to fall on the 
Department of Labor's worker protection agencies, the Wage and 
Hour Division and OSHA, that are responsible for protecting 
worker safety and hard-earned wages.
    The American people are calling our offices every day 
asking about this spending freeze and what has happened to 
already-appropriated funding. American people are concerned, 
and there is a lot of fear out there and we have to address 
that. I say these things to let you know, but I also say with 
great optimism that you have such a profound role to play, and 
your voices need to be heard very strongly and powerfully about 
the resources that this subcommittee provides for you to carry 
out your missions, to be able to address the health needs of 
our families or education needs of our families, or the ability 
for people to be gainfully employed and what their futures are 
going to be. That is what our job is in this subcommittee.
    So we welcome you because more than ever now, your voices 
need to be heard. Thank you for being here, and we look forward 
to your testimony. So thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I yield 
back.
    Mr. Aderholt. Thank you, Ranking Member DeLauro, and I 
would like to recognize our first witness. Our first witness 
will be Jessica Pescatore, and I may have butchered that a 
little bit, but Pescatore? Good. All right. We got it. All 
right. Well, welcome to the subcommittee, and we look forward 
to hearing your testimony.
    Ms. Pescatore. Thank you. Good morning, Chairman Aderholt, 
Ranking Member DeLauro, and distinguished members of the 
subcommittee. My name is Dr. Jessica Pescatore, and I am an 
emergency medicine pharmacist, clinical toxicologist, and the 
clinical director of the Alabama Poison Information Center. 
Thank you for the opportunity to share the critical work of our 
Nation's 53 poison centers, and thank you for your 
longstanding, bipartisan support of the Poison Control Center's 
program. We are especially grateful to have been reauthorized, 
and I am here today to respectfully request a $2 million 
increase over current funding levels for the program in fiscal 
year 2026. This morning I would like to highlight the value of 
a poison center, share my center's efforts in addressing public 
health risks, such as unregulated and illicitly manufactured 
substances, and discuss some nationwide challenges.
    Poison centers provide 24/7 lifesaving expertise to all 
Americans, from concerned parents to first responders and 
clinicians, to public health agencies. Our teams of expert 
nurse, pharmacist, and physician, poison specialists, and 
toxicologists deliver accurate real time guidance on poisoning 
emergencies. On average, poison centers receive a call every 15 
seconds. That means in our brief time together, 20 calls will 
have been managed by a poison center. In this last month alone, 
over 201,000 poisoning cases were handled by poison centers 
across the country, with cases ranging from a grandparent 
accidentally doubling their blood pressure medication dose, to 
a child ingesting a household cleaner, to a gardener bitten by 
a snake, to a teenager overdosing in a self-harm attempt. But 
beyond our day-to-day management of these poisoning 
emergencies, we also function as an all-hazards response 
program in the regions we serve.
    At the national level, we work together as a network to 
support our Nation's broader public health system, including 
through America's poison centers. Whether a foodborne illness 
outbreak, natural disaster, chemical attack, or emerging public 
health threat, you can count on a poison center being a part of 
the public health response. We also play a crucial role in 
lowering healthcare costs, in large part through our efficient 
triage methods, which prevent unnecessary and costly emergency 
department visits, enabling safe home monitoring with close 
follow-up and further preserving vital hospital resources. 
According to a Lewin Group report, for every dollar the Federal 
Government invests in poison centers, there is a saving of over 
$38. That equates to over $662 million saved per year.
    In Alabama, our Center has collaborated with key partners, 
including the Alabama Department of Public Health, to safeguard 
our constituents from unregulated agents, like tianeptine, a 
supplement with potent opioid-like effects that that was being 
sold at our local gas stations. Leveraging our Center's 
expertise and data, we informed and enabled statewide efforts 
to restrict access and reduce exposures by 75 percent. We are 
also committed to combating illicitly-manufactured substances 
of abuse, like fentanyl. Engaging in data-driven decision-
making as well as community outreach across all levels, poison 
centers help to stake steer resource allocation and target 
messaging.
    Our centers face challenges that threaten our ability to 
continue this vital work, however. Like many organizations, we 
face a growing challenge to attract and retain qualified staff. 
The critical work of poison centers highly relies on highly-
trained and credentialed professionals, such as toxicologists 
and poison specialists, and while our calls remain steady, our 
cases continue to grow in complexity and nuance. Additionally, 
public risks and, by extension, our mission are ever evolving. 
Thus, our professionals must commit to lifelong learning and be 
supported by advancing systems in order to do so.
    Finally, we are facing a critical risk to the National 
Poison Data System, or NPDS, an essential tool that provides 
real-time, integrated poison center data which aids in 
prevention and surveillance at every level. With regional data 
uploaded every 5 minutes, NPDS rapidly detects case clusters, 
anomalies, and enables swift, coordinated responses to crises 
of any form, driving a unified escalation of efforts across the 
Nation. Federal agencies, including the CDC, have long 
leveraged NPDS to provide them with real-time data and exposure 
monitoring. Recent Federal reorganization efforts could 
inadvertently jeopardize this vital partnership, and without 
continued Federal support, this essential data source could 
lapse, risking significant disruptions in our Nation's 
healthcare network. We request the subcommittee's continued 
support of our program and aid in preventing unintended 
consequences to NPDs, ensuring your constituents and healthcare 
professionals, as well as local, State, and Federal entities 
have access to critical, real-time data.
    On behalf of the Alabama Poison Information Center, our 
host institution, Children's of Alabama, and each of our 
Nation's 53 poison centers, I thank you all for the opportunity 
to testify before you today. Thank you.
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    Mr. Aderholt. Thanks so much. I appreciate your testimony, 
and, again, all of it will be included in the record. And we 
appreciate you giving that information to us, and we look 
forward to working with you. Ranking Member DeLauro, you are 
next.
    Ms. DeLauro. Thank you. I want to thank you for the great 
work and applaud the work in Alabama, and you talked about 
regulating tianeptine, which is a controlled substance. What 
you are doing is a good example of an unsafe food additive that 
is being marketed to the public deceptively, and it is being 
marketed as a dietary supplement, but it has real consequences, 
so I thank you for doing that. And I would just say that we 
want to preserve the programs that HRSA covers, as you do, in 
making sure that that efforts like yours don't fall by the 
wayside. Thank you.
    Mr. Aderholt. Thank you. Okay. Next, we will hear from 
Jennifer Carroll. Jennifer is the assistant director for 
children's services at the Community Action Partnership of 
North Alabama. So welcome, glad to have you here, and look 
forward to your testimony.

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                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

             COMMUNITY ACTION PARTNERSHIP OF NORTH ALABAMA

                                WITNESS

JENNIFER CARROLL, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, COMMUNITY ACTION PARTNERSHIP OF 
    NORTH ALABAMA 
    
    Ms. Carroll. Thank you for having me. Good morning, 
Chairman Aderholt, Ranking Member DeLauro, and members of the 
subcommittee. I am Jennifer Carroll, the assistant director of 
Community Action Partnership of North Alabama, located in 
Decatur, Alabama. As you know, Head Start provides children 
from disadvantaged backgrounds the opportunity to enter school 
ready to learn, while also setting their families on a path to 
achieving economic stability and self-sufficiency. Thank you 
for the opportunity to share my perspective on the critical 
value of Head Start and the need for investment in Head Start 
of $14.9 billion in fiscal year 2026 to support the country's 
most vulnerable children, their families, and the communities 
they live in.
    Head Start has effectively implemented a multigeneration, 
whole-child, whole-family model. The children attending Head 
Start, those in poverty, in foster care, or experiencing 
homelessness, the children of seasonal farm workers, American 
Indian and Alaska Native children, and others known to be at 
risk due to life circumstances benefit from comprehensive 
education, health, and nutrition services in a safe and 
nurturing environment, and it is not just the children. Parents 
and caregivers also benefit significantly from Head Start 
services, including employment, housing, and educational 
support. In other words, Head Start is a lifeline for families 
seeking to achieve the American Dream.
    The Head Start model has proved to be extremely successful. 
Research shows that Head Start alumni are more likely to 
graduate from high school, enroll in and graduate school from 
college, and are less likely to experience poor health, live in 
poverty, or need public assistance as adults. Additionally, 
parents and caregivers, having benefited from goal setting, 
parent training, and experiencing real engagement, are more 
likely to join the workforce or stay employed, setting them and 
their families on a path of economic self-reliance. CAPNA'S 
Head Start program is a fiscally responsible, pro-family, pro-
workforce solution that improves child and family outcomes, 
supports work, reduces dependency, and stimulates the local 
economy. It is funded through a smart, bipartisan investment 
that promotes work, strengthens families, and prepares for 
lifelong success.
    With your continued support, we can ensure every child--
every child--has a strong head start and every parent has a 
positive pathway forward. CAPNA has 426 Head Start employees 
and invested over $32 million in North Alabama last year, and 
our procurement activity directly supported over 130 local 
businesses. Unlike some Federal Government contracts, the 
grants awarded to CAPNA for our 39 Head Start centers are all 
spent in the communities where we operate. Imagine this 
economic impact replicated across the 17,672 Head Start centers 
located across this country.
    While Head Start grant recipients are deeply appreciative 
of the funds Congress has previously appropriated, I am here to 
discuss our request for funding in fiscal year 2026. Head Start 
workforce situation has improved, but early childhood education 
ranks in the bottom 10 percent of all professions for 
compensation, making it difficult to recruit and retain staff. 
Those staff are necessary to work with not only the more than 
750,000 children currently enrolled, but those eligible 
children not being served yet. Head Start preschool reaches 
only 20 percent of eligible children and Early Head Start only 
13 percent, and the nationwide wait list is estimated to exceed 
170,000. At CAPNA alone, the waitlist exceeds 1,300 children. 
With that in mind, we are recommending a cost-of-living 
adjustment of 3.2 percent for Head Start in fiscal year 2026. 
This would equal $390 million, and it is critical to our 
programs and to the children, families, and communities where 
Head Start operates.
    As I noted earlier and as detailed in my written remarks, 
in addition to this, COLA fiscal year 2026 funding of $14.9 
billion for Head Start would allow programs to address critical 
local needs and expand recruitment and development of staff for 
AI/AN programs. It would also fund the demonstrated need for 
expansion of Head Start and facility improvements through 
separate competitive grants, but again, a 3.2 percent COLA is 
the most critical need for Head Start in fiscal year 2026.
    Let me end with a story that a mother whose child attends 
our program recently shared. ``My child has been in head start 
since 2023, and the program has exceeded my expectations. The 
staff genuinely care about the children and families. My son's 
language and social skills have grown more than I could 
imagine. As a single parent and substitute, I have gained 
skills that help in both my career and parenting. I am so 
thankful for this exceptional team.'' This is just one family. 
This is just one child whose life has been transformed because 
Congress has chosen every year to invest in Head Start. I urge 
you to continue that investment in fiscal year 2026. Thank you 
sincerely for your consideration of this critical request. 
Thank you so much for your time.
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    Mr. Aderholt. Yes, thank you so much for you testimony. I 
know you are very passionate about this----
    Ms. Carroll. I am.
    Mr. Aderholt [continuing]. And that comes through, and we 
appreciate you sharing that with us. Sure, yeah.
    Ms. DeLauro. I just want to just say thank you. I noticed 
Community Action Partnership of North Alabama.
    Ms. Carroll. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. DeLauro. I started my career with the community action 
agency in the City of New Haven, one of the first in the 
Nation, and the work that gets done through community action 
programs is stellar. This is going way back, a long time ago, 
and the way that you have continued to play a role in the lives 
of people, and particularly Head Start.
    Ms. Carroll. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. DeLauro. Head Start works. It is an unbelievable 
program that we need to maintain.
    Ms. Carroll. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. DeLauro. There is a document that would call for the 
elimination of Head Start. I just say to you, we don't make 
promises in our business, but over my dead body----
    Ms. Carroll. Thank you, ma'am.
    Ms. DeLauro [continuing]. Will they do anything to 
eliminate the Head Start program. It is so valuable, and that 
includes Early Head Start as well. Thank you for what you do, 
and thank you for what you have done for that one child.
    Ms. Carroll. Yes, ma'am. Thank you so much.
    Ms. DeLauro. Thank you. Let's multiply that across this 
Nation.
    Ms. Carroll. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. DeLauro. God bless you. Thank you.
    Ms. Carroll. Thank you.
    Mr. Aderholt. Lois, please.
    Ms. Frankel. Thank you, and thank you, everybody, for being 
here today. You know, I think it was our first hearing of this 
committee where we had a panel talking about ``the failures of 
public school.'' I mean, trying to make a case that test scores 
had gone down. And I think what was missing from that hearing 
was a discussion of what it takes for a child to be ready for 
school and to be a successful student. This is one example, and 
we will probably hear about lots of other programs, too, 
especially safety net programs, that get children ready, and 
thank you very much for what you do. I think there is no 
question if you have the proper head start----
    Ms. Carroll. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. Frankel [continuing]. It boosts them towards success.
    Ms. Carroll. Thank you so much.
    Ms. Frankel. I yield back.
    Mr. Aderholt. Thank you.
    Ms. Carroll. Thank you.
    Mr. Aderholt. Thanks again. All right. Next, we will hear 
from Michelle Whitten. Michelle Whitten is the president and 
CEO and co-founder of the Global Down Syndrome Foundation. 
Welcome to the subcommittee, and we look forward to your 
testimony.
                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

                  THE GLOBAL DOWN SYNDROME FOUNDATION

                                WITNESS

MICHELLE SIE WHITTEN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE GLOBAL DOWN SYNDROME 
    FOUNDATION 
    
    Ms. Whitten. Thank you so much. Chairman Aderholt, Ranking 
Member DeLauro, thank you for the opportunity to testify today. 
My name is Michelle Sie Whitten, and I am the co-founder, 
president, and CEO of the Global Down Syndrome Foundation and 
the mother of two, including a 21-year-old who happens to have 
Down syndrome. Like other parents of children with Down 
syndrome, our family considers Sophia a gift who has 
transformed our lives and the lives of those around her for the 
better.
    The genesis of Global is the result of NIH leadership, 
acknowledging that its medical research priorities do not 
necessarily align with medical research needs. People with Down 
syndrome have a radically different disease spectrum whereby 
they are highly predisposed to certain diseases, such as 
Alzheimer's, autoimmune disorders, and leukemias, and highly 
protected from others, such as solid tumor cancers and certain 
types of heart attack and stroke. People with Down syndrome 
have complex yet treatable health needs that involve almost 
each of NIH's 27 institutes and centers.
    Global's goal is to elongate life and improve health 
outcomes for children and adults with Down syndrome by 
overhauling NIH's approach to funding Down syndrome research. 
When Global was established in 2009, Down syndrome was the 
least funded genetic condition by the NIH, receiving only $22 
million out of a $31 billion budget, despite Down syndrome 
being the leading cause of developmental delay in the U.S. and 
the world. This important goal has been supported by the 
brilliant Frank Stephens, David Egan, Damani Tichuana, Diandra 
Dixon, who sadly passed away in 2020, and by thousands of other 
self-advocates, families, researchers, and local Down syndrome 
organizations.
    We were fortunate that Chairman Cole and Ranking Member 
DeLauro, who led the House Labor, HHS Subcommittee in 2017, 
recognized the immense potential of Down syndrome research. 
After testifying before this subcommittee, there was bipartisan 
consensus that NIH was significantly underinvesting in Down 
syndrome research and that this research would also benefit 
millions of people without Down syndrome. This led to the 
creation of a transformative NIH Down syndrome funding program 
called the INCLUDE Project. The INCLUDE Project is a real-time 
example of how effective and efficient NIH can be when research 
priorities and plans are developed in collaborative, multi-
institute, centralized approaches.
    Before INCLUDE, NIH's approach to Down syndrome was 
actually better, faster detection, and you saw that bias in the 
way that research dollars were funded and spent. Down syndrome 
research occurred almost exclusively at the NICHD. Today, 
because of INCLUDE, 18 of NIH's 27 institutes are investing in 
Down syndrome research, including 11 institutes for the very 
first time. Some examples of INCLUDE research, researchers at 
the University of Alabama, Birmingham are studying optic nerve 
disorders in people with Down syndrome who have a higher 
prevalence. Researchers at the University of Michigan are 
identifying molecular regulators of comorbidities in Down 
syndrome towards treatment for many neurological disorders. 
Scientists at Vanderbilt are researching the increased risk of 
leukemia in children with and without Down syndrome. Texas A&M 
researchers are using INCLUDE funding to understand bone 
regeneration and treatment for people with Down syndrome and 
those with limb loss. University of Florida researchers are 
examining significant genomic variants underlying congenital 
heart disease in patients with and without Down syndrome.
    We can already point to advances in research and concrete 
outcomes resulting from INCLUDE. Prior to INCLUDE, people with 
Down syndrome were essentially excluded from clinical trials. 
Today, there are 13 clinical trials for people with Down 
syndrome related to autoimmune disease, Alzheimer's, cognition 
deficit, regression disorder and more. INCLUDE established the 
Data Coordinating Center under the leadership of Dr. Joaquina 
Espinosa that now has more than 9,000 participants, 4,000 whole 
genome sequences, and hundreds of datasets that attracts new 
investigators. INCLUDE has funded the Alzheimer's Trial Ready 
Cohort Down Syndrome under the leadership of Dr. Mike Rafii, 
who runs the Alzheimer's Therapeutic Research Institute at the 
Keck School of Medicine. There is also significant INCLUDE 
investment in the Down Syndrome Registry and the Down Syndrome 
Clinical Cohort Coordinating Center. All of these were new and 
really contribute to the goal of increasing lifespan, improving 
health outcomes.
    People with Down syndrome clearly benefit from INCLUDE's 
goals to structurally streamline NIH research to support a 
holistic life-stage approach rather than by specific diseases, 
conditions, or organs, and the restructuring reflects what 
science has learned about the interconnectedness of health. We 
are entering a new era when it comes to valuing people with 
Down syndrome, we are seeing a renaissance for Down syndrome 
research, and witnessing the great promise and tangible results 
from this program.
    GLOBAL is closely following reports of changes in 
organization and reductions in workforce at NIH. We look 
forward to understanding how the administration will move 
forward with continuing the important research being done at 
NIH, including Down syndrome research. We also look forward to 
working with the new NIH director, Dr. Bhattacharya, and our 
champions in Congress to ensure U.S. leadership in the life 
sciences. We hope that Global can continue to be a resource for 
this committee and the NIH in terms of supporting impactful 
translational science and the dedicated researchers making a 
difference for the awesome people with Down syndrome we serve. 
Thank you very much.
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    Mr. Aderholt. Thank you.
    Ms. Whitten. Thank you.
    Ms. DeLauro. Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Aderholt. Yes?
    Ms. DeLauro. I just want to just give you a shout-out and 
such a warm welcome, Michelle, the work that you are doing and 
your tenacity and commitment to this effort. You have been 
responsible for Congressman Cole and I coming together and 
saying that we need to focus time and effort on research on 
Down syndrome, that it is our real responsibility to do that. I 
won't forget in 2017, and I see Frank Wright here, who has one 
of the most powerful personal testimonies that this 
subcommittee has ever heard. And we are clearly concerned 
because it was wonderful to listen to the number of 
universities that are really engaged in this now. You know, you 
made it happen. This is what I am saying, you know, without 
your steadfastness on it.
    But there is, as we know, the proposed attempt to cut $5 
billion from universities, to cap the indirect costs at 15 
percent. Now, there is a temporary injunction to block that 
policy, but we cannot allow that to happen because of the vital 
research that you speak about, which, again, changes people's 
lives. In this subcommittee, we are not talking about tanks and 
helicopters and bridges and roads. We are talking about 
people's lives, and so all that you do and all that we must do 
to allow you to continue with that research is imperative.
    And I will just say, and I want to shout out again to my 
colleague, Congressman Cole, and, again, between the two of us, 
it is somewhat self-serving, but overall NIH research funding 
related to Down syndrome in fiscal year 2024 was $133 million. 
We need to only go up from there. Thank you very, very much for 
your testimony. Great to have you with us here, Frank, this 
morning.
    Ms. Whitten. Thank you so much. Thank you.
    Mr. Aderholt. Thank you again. Next we are going to be 
hearing from Christopher Frech. Yes, welcome. Good to have you 
here today, and he serves with Alliance for Biosecurity, and we 
look forward to hearing your testimony.

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                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

                        ALLIANCE FOR BIOSECURITY

                                WITNESS

CHRISTOPHER FRECH, CO-CHAIR AND SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, ALLIANCE FOR 
    BIOSECURITY 
    
    Mr. Frech. Good morning, Chairman Aderholt, Ranking Member 
DeLauro, members of the subcommittee. I am Chris Frech. I am 
the SVP at Emergent and the co-chair of the Alliance for 
Biosecurity. As a former House staffer of 11 years, it is good 
to be back here in my roots, and I appreciate the opportunity.
    The Alliance for Biosecurity represents members that 
develop and manufacture vaccines, therapeutics, devices, and 
diagnostics in response to CBRN threats, threats such as 
anthrax, smallpox, mpox, botulism, chemical threats, and 
fentanyl poisoning, to name a few. Because of this, I may be 
the only one testifying today that truly hopes that you never 
have to use our products, but we know that we need them. Our 
members aren't simply vendors selling to the government. We are 
partners responding to the needs and requirements of the 
government to better protect the public and/or the war fighter.
    It is important for me to just take a moment and say thank 
you to this committee for a history of bipartisan support. For 
example, Chairman Cole recently penned an op-ed on the 
importance of BARDA. Congressman Harris and Ranking Member 
DeLauro have in the past supported amendments for increases and 
have each supported the other's amendments. And importantly, 
under the leadership of you, Chairman Aderholt, the last number 
of marks have included increases within austere budget 
conditions as we went forward. The Alliance for Biosecurity has 
submitted written testimony that recommends specific increases 
in funding across medical countermeasure enterprise, including 
BARDA, the Special Reserve Fund, Pan Flu, the Strategic 
National Stockpile, and the Office of Preparedness. This all 
represents the what, but in the remaining time, I would like to 
focus on the why and simply make three points.
    First, the importance of the public private partnership. 
Governments can't do this on their own. Industry needs a level 
of clarity and certainty to be able to better respond to meet 
the needs of the government to better protect the public. They 
need to have a seat at the table early on so that we can align 
aspirational goals with the realities of the time and leverage 
industry expertise and innovation.
    Second, need for sustainable funding. Over the years, for 
those of us that have been in this space for a long time, we 
have moved from crisis to complacency. Many of these products 
lack a commercial market, and it was BioShield that first 
envisioned the need to have a process in place so that the 
government could actually have medical countermeasures that it 
needs to protect the public should the unthinkable happen. 
Funding needs to be maintained to allow for not just the 
procurement of products, but to maintain the capability, the 
capacity, and the industrial base to manufacture these products 
in the future. Like DOD, this is fundamentally a Federal 
responsibility, and we need to think about it in the same lines 
as we think about our national security issues. DOD procures 
guns, weapons, tanks, and ships before they declare war, and we 
have to have that same mindset when it comes to 
countermeasures, knowing that we need to have these measures 
stockpiled safely and approved, before something happens so 
that we are ready to respond should it happen.
    Third, we need alignment and harmonization across the MCM 
enterprise. Regardless of where people sit in the org chart, 
coordination is required from requirements, development, 
procurement, stockpiling, and response, in order to actually be 
prepared for that next event. A former member of this committee 
once told me that I needed to explain this so that he could 
explain it to the average voter in his district, maybe 
Savannah, Georgia. Just saying. At the end of the day, the U.S. 
Government identifies threats through the material threat list 
through DHS. The MCM enterprise is then tasked with each either 
developing or procuring medical countermeasures, vaccines, 
therapeutics, devices, and stockpiling those against 
requirements that the government has set based on different 
scenarios. If we don't have funding, it simply means that we 
don't have the medical countermeasures and, in fact, we are not 
prepared for that threat, but it doesn't make the threat go 
away. By funding essential programs, maintaining a strong 
public-private partnership, and treating biodefense as a 
national security priority, we can protect the American lives 
and ensure long-term resilience against biological threats for 
the future.
    Thank you again for the opportunity. The Alliance for 
Biosecurity and our members continue to stand ready to be a 
partner both to this committee as well as to the U.S. 
Government. Thank you.
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    Mr. Aderholt. Thanks so much for testimony and thank you. 
Ms. DeLauro, do you have any comments?
    Ms. DeLauro. Yes. I want to just say thank you because I 
think that you talked about sustainable funding. You talked 
about, you know, a comparable infrastructure to deal with 
countermeasures, which I think is critical. But HHS has 
announced it is eliminating the Administration for Strategic 
Preparedness and Response. That is ASPR. They are going to 
discontinue it as an independent agency. They will transfer 
some of its functions and a thousand employees to what, in 
fact, would be a severely-diminished CDC. I say that. BARDA is 
going to be combined with the Advanced Research Projects Agency 
for Health, ARPA-H.
    At the moment, there are no details with regard to what, 
you know, what will happen here, and I am going to ask you. I 
think we need to have answers to the questions in order to 
safeguard the BARDA project--BioShield, Strategic National 
Stockpile, pandemic flu preparedness--all of what ASPR has done 
in the past to make sure that it has the resources it needs 
because pandemics will visit us again, and we need to be 
prepared and other disasters. And so we need the competence, 
and we need the research and the technology that you oversee. 
Thank you.
    Mr. Aderholt. Thank you, and good to have you back on the 
House side.
    Mr. Frech. Thank you.
    Mr. Aderholt. All right. Next, we will hear from 
Christopher Kramer, who is the current president of the 
American College of Cardiology, and, Dr. Kramer, good to have 
you here today and look forward to your testimony. 

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                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

                     AMERICAN COLLEGE OF CARDIOLOGY

                                WITNESS

CHRISTOPHER M. KRAMER, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN COLLEGE OF CARDIOLOGY 

    Dr. Kramer. My name is Dr. Christopher Kramer, and I am the 
president of the American College of Cardiology, or ACC. I am a 
practicing cardiologist and serve as chief of Cardiovascular 
Medicine at the University of Virginia. I am honored to speak 
on behalf of the ACC's more than 60,000 cardiovascular 
clinicians, including cardiologists, nurses, advanced practice 
providers, and researchers, who work every day to prevent and 
treat heart disease, improve patient outcomes, and transform 
cardiovascular care nationwide.
    The ACC has long been committed to advancing policies that 
support evidence-based care and promote public health, in 
addition to working alongside lawmakers to ensure the latest 
science is translated into lifesaving practice. Today, I am 
here to discuss one of the most promising and urgent 
opportunities to save young lives: fully funding the HEARTS 
Act. The Cardiomyopathy, Health, Education, Awareness, 
Research, and Training in Schools, or HEARTS Act for short, was 
passed by Congress last year with near unanimous bipartisan 
support in both chambers. Such consensus is rare, and it sends 
a powerful message. Cardiac arrest is not a partisan or 
regional issue. It is a public health concern, and we have the 
tools to make a difference.
    The HEARTS Act ensures that public, primary, and secondary 
schools across the country can develop cardiac emergency 
response plans, provide training for CPR and automated external 
defibrillators, better known as AEDs, and through a voluntary 
grant program, have AEDs available on site ready for use when 
they are needed most. While student athletes were the original 
focus of this bill, its benefits extend into the communities 
around them. Schools are a gathering point, a cornerstone in 
American public life. Having an AED nearby helps protect every 
person passing through a school setting, whether they be 
students, parents, educators, or seniors. The new law is so 
important because it builds upon the foundation of sustained 
investment in the NIH, the CDC, and HHS. The HEARTS Act is not 
solely about providing AEDs in schools. It is about leveraging 
the power of NIH-funded research to understand and prevent 
heart disease and utilizing valuable public health programs at 
the CDC and HHS to educate and protect our patients.
    Every year in this country, more than 2,000 young people 
under the age of 25 die from sudden cardiac arrest. Individuals 
experiencing an out-of-hospital sudden cardiac arrest event 
face a mortality rate between 70 and 90 percent. Many of these 
deaths can be prevented if the appropriate knowledge and 
systems are in place. Every second counts, and having access to 
training and easily-used technology, such as AEDs, can mean the 
difference between life and death. We are proud and grateful to 
our friends in Congress for this law designed to prevent tragic 
cardiac events, but passing the law was just the first step. 
Now we must fund it so that its promise becomes reality.
    The American College of Cardiology respectfully urges the 
subcommittee to provide full funding for the HEARTS Act in 
fiscal year 2026, including $25 million for grants to help 
schools purchase AEDs and develop cardiac emergency response 
plans; $5 million for the CDC to develop risk assessments and 
distribute educational materials to schools and families about 
conditions that lead to cardiac arrest in youth; and $20 
million for the NIH to conduct research into cardiomyopathy, 
the most prevalent cause of sudden cardiac death in young 
people.
    We cannot overstate the value of continued investment in 
the NIH. It is through NIH-funded research that we have learned 
how to prevent, treat, and manage heart conditions that once 
seemed untouchable. Since 1950, death rates from cardiovascular 
disease have declined 60 percent, and the number of people in 
the United States dying of a heart attack each year has dropped 
from 1 in 2 in the 1950s to now 1 in 8.5. America's leadership 
in medical science depends on strong investments in our 
Nation's research infrastructure, and the HEARTS Act is a 
worthy and impactful addition to that legacy.
    Distinguished members of the subcommittee, the HEARTS Act 
was passed by Congress with the unity and urgency this issue 
deserves. Now, with your support, we can ensure effective 
nationwide implementation, protecting and investing in the 
health and safety of our communities. On behalf of the American 
College of Cardiology and the thousands of patients, families, 
and clinicians we represent, thank you for your time, your 
leadership, and your commitment to building a heart healthy 
future for all Americans.
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    Mr. Aderholt. Thank you, Dr. Kramer. Thanks for your 
testimony this morning and appreciate you being here and 
sharing that with us.
    Dr. Kramer. Thanks so much, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Aderholt. Ranking Member DeLauro, would you like to 
make a comment?
    Ms. DeLauro. Yes. Thank you. Thank you very, very much for 
the testimony and the work of, you know, AEDs. I just want to 
reference our colleague, Representative Sheila Cherfilus-
McCormick, who is from Florida, is the lead sponsor of a bill. 
It is H.R. 2370, and it is Expand Access to Defibrillators in 
Elementary Schools and Secondary Schools, and it would 
authorize up to $25 million annually for HHS to award grants to 
local education agencies to purchase FDA-approved 
defibrillators for schools. And the Heart Association, just so 
that you know, estimates that 50 percent of sudden cardiac 
arrest victims could survive if bystanders gave CPR and used a 
defibrillator immediately. So this is again saving lives. I am 
sure you know about the piece of legislation, but we have to 
work, it seems, about getting $25 million doing that.
    So keep up the testimony and the and the fight and the 
advocacy. Thanks so much.
    Dr. Kramer. Thank you.
    Mr. Aderholt. Thank you, Dr. Kramer. Next, we will hear 
from Rey Saldana, and he is the president and CEO of 
Communities in Schools. Welcome to the subcommittee this 
morning. We look forward to your testimony, and you have the 
floor. 

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                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

                         COMMUNITIES IN SCHOOLS

                                WITNESS

REY SALDANA, PRESIDENT AND CEO, COMMUNITIES IN SCHOOLS 

    Mr. Saldana. Thank you. Chair Aderholt, Ranking Member 
DeLauro, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for the 
opportunity to provide testimony regarding the fiscal year 2026 
Labor, HHS, Education appropriations bill. I am Rey Saldana. I 
am president and CEO of Communities in Schools.
    Growing up in San Antonio, Texas, Communities in Schools 
coordinators helped me overcome barriers to become the first in 
my family to attend college, and today, I lead the organization 
that opened the doors of opportunity and access to the American 
Dream. That journey shapes my conviction in this work every 
day, and today, Communities in Schools works in 3,571 schools 
in 29 States. We connect 2 million students annually to 
resources that help them overcome barriers to success. Our 
evidence-based model of integrated student supports places a 
dedicated site coordinator inside each school to serve as the 
vital link between students and the resources that they need.
    Integrated Student Supports isn't another program. It is 
the operating system that makes all other programs and funding 
streams work efficiently. Think of integrated Student Supports 
as air traffic control for student success, coordinating 
Federal, State and local resources. While teachers focus on 
classroom instruction, our coordinators tackle chronic 
absenteeism, mental health concerns, and basic needs like 
transportation and nutrition. As our founder, Bill Milliken, 
described, students cannot be turned onto learning until they 
are turned on to living, and living can be sometimes the 
hardest part.
    At Communities in Schools, we have proven that being 
present matters. Ninety-nine percent of the case managed 
students we work with show up and make academic and behavioral 
strides year after year. Our seniors graduate 96 percent rate, 
representing significant lifetime tax contributions and cost 
savings. Federal dollars are crucial in our integrated student 
supports ecosystem. Core ESEA investments, like Title I and 
Title IV, not only underwrite direct services, but also unlock 
additional investment. For every Federal dollar that supports 
Integrated Student Supports, we leverage an additional $4 from 
State, local, and private resources.
    The strategic architecture of Federal education funding 
matters. When Title I schools implement Integrated Student 
Supports, they optimize their per-pupil allocation by 
addressing non-academic barriers. Title IV-A grants become more 
effective when delivered through an integrated supports 
framework, and Integrated Student Supports enables AmeriCorps 
and WIOA dollars to achieve cross-sector outcomes, advancing 
education, workforce development, and economic mobility gains. 
Parents remain central in our work. Our site coordinators work 
directly with 360,000 families annually, ensuring their voice 
drives the support that their children receive.
    Integrated Student Supports honors local control by 
strengthening what communities are already doing. We see 
success in communities across the country. In rural Jackson 
County, North Carolina, Community in Schools student support 
specialist, David Cawley, implemented the Tar Heel Charm 
Challenge to improve attendance and drive academic progress. In 
Montgomery, Alabama, Communities in Schools site coordinator, 
Kimberly Byrd, reduced absenteeism among 74 percent of her 
students through personalized plans and schoolwide initiatives, 
like attendance dance competitions. Our success builds on 
bipartisan cooperation.
    Congress recognized Integrated Student Supports in the 
bipartisan Every Student Succeeds Act of 2015. Schools 
implementing evidence-based integrated student supports are 
seeing dramatic improvements in attendance, behavior, 
coursework, and graduation rates. Integrated Student Support 
serves as both a standalone approach, but is also a 
foundational pillar of a comprehensive model of including 
community schools. Its flexibility allows rural, suburban, and 
urban communities to tailor implementation to fit their 
specific needs while maintaining the evidence-based core that 
drives results. The urgency of this work cannot be overstated. 
Today, as 15 million classroom seats sit empty across America, 
these strategic appropriations represent smart fiscal 
stewardship that taxpayers deserve and our children need.
    I urge Congress to protect and strengthen core Federal 
investments that support Integrated Student Supports and 
community schools, specifically Title I funding, Title IV-A 
student supports and academic enrichment grants, full-service 
community schools, 21st Century Learning center allocations, 
Project AWARE grants, AmeriCorps funding, and WIOA investments. 
Our children deserve nothing less than the fiscally-responsible 
approach to education. When we give the students the support 
they need, they show up for school today, and ultimately, they 
show up for America tomorrow. Thank you.
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    Mr. Aderholt. Thank you so much for your testimony, again, 
and for being here today. Ranking Member DeLauro.
    Ms. DeLauro. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 
Thank you so much for your testimony. I grew up in New Haven, 
Connecticut, and the Conte Community School was just almost 
across the street from our house. And I finished my graduate 
degree and I didn't have a job yet, so what I did was I went to 
volunteer at the community school, you know, every day, and 
what an eye-opener that was. That is what propelled me to 
introduce funding for community schools in the Labor, HHS 
funding bill. This was a facility that was open from 6:00 in 
the morning until 9:00 at night. There was an academic program, 
sports program, mothers, fathers, grandmothers, and so forth, 
where they are interacting with kids and so forth. It was just 
a beautiful overall educational experience and, I believe, 
helped to strengthen the lives of our kids.
    But you must know, and I am not going to pull punches here, 
the community schools funding for 2025, I believe, has been 
almost cut in half. It is $150 million now. The attempt is to 
cut it in half, and in the 2025 bill, my colleagues on the 
other side of the aisle have proposed, it eliminates--
eliminates--WIOA for youth and cuts WIOA of funding for adults. 
I am asking you and your colleagues around the country, who 
support community schools, who understand their value, 
understand the value of these programs, that your voices need 
to be heard loud and clear that we can't roll back the 
resources that provide these new opportunities for children and 
to help to transform their lives.
    So I am pleading with you to please organize and let people 
know how you value community schools, Title I, as I said 
earlier. There are cases being made to eliminate Title I. I am 
not making it up. You can go and look. It is right there in 
black and white to eliminate Title I, 300,000 teachers across 
the country. We need your help. Thank you for your testimony, 
thank you for the work that you are doing, and thank you for 
making a difference in the lives of our kids.
    Mr. Aderholt. All right. Next, we will hear from Theresa 
Sokol, who is a State epidemiologist, program director 
infectious Disease in epidemiology section of Louisiana 
Department of Health. Welcome to the subcommittee. Glad to have 
you here and look forward to your testimony. 

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                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

            COUNCIL OF STATE AND TERRITORIAL EPIDEMIOLOGISTS

                                WITNESS

THERESA SOKOL, LA STATE EPIDEMIOLOGIST AND BOARD MEMBER, COUNCIL OF 
    STATE AND TERRITORIAL EPIDEMIOLOGISTS 
    
    Ms. Sokol. Chair Aderholt, Ranking Member DeLauro, and 
Representative Letlow, thank you for the opportunity to allow 
me to testify before you here today. I am Theresa Sokol, a 
member of the executive board of the Council of State and 
Territorial Epidemiologists, and I am the Louisiana State 
epidemiologist. I am here today representing CSTE and its 3,600 
members nationwide to talk about the important work 
epidemiologists do to save lives every day. I want to talk 
about the collaboration and support we get from the CDC and, 
specifically, two essential CDC programs: the Epidemiology and 
Laboratory Capacity program and Public Health Data 
Modernization.
    Epidemiologists are disease detectives. We work around the 
country to keep our communities safe, stopping outbreaks, and 
preventing every type of disease threat. Nationally, Federal 
dollars make up more than 80 percent of State epidemiology 
budgets. In some States, like Louisiana, it is even more. 
Ninety percent of my team's budget comes from CDC. Without CDC 
funding, we could not do our jobs. Key to this is CDC's 
Epidemiology and Laboratory Capacity Program, or ELC. ELC is 
the only source of core infectious disease funding for 
epidemiologists in State and local health departments. It is 
what allows us to respond to new outbreaks and threats.
    In January, you may remember, Louisiana reported the first 
human death related to H5N1, or bird flu. This patient became 
sick after exposure to a backyard bird flock. Our team of ELC-
funded epidemiologists carried out an extensive investigation, 
including identifying and monitoring nearly 30 individuals who 
had been exposed to bird flu, and coordinating with the 
hospital to prevent transmission to healthcare workers and 
other hospital patients. Unfortunately, last month, pandemic-
era resources that were allocated to States from CDC and were 
still being used to support our epidemiology and data 
modernization work efforts were canceled unexpectedly, putting 
our work in danger. This immediate loss of existing funding and 
the fact that the ELC funding line has not grown since 2011 
means State and local epidemiology efforts across the country 
are tremendously underfunded.
    CSTE estimates that an additional 2,537 epidemiologists are 
needed in State health departments to meet basic public health 
needs. We also need to modernize our public health data 
systems. Epidemiologists depend on data. In Louisiana and 
public health departments across the country, we are working to 
get better, faster, actionable data that can help us make 
decisions that will keep our communities safe. I am so proud to 
be joined here in D.C. today by my 16-year-old daughter, Elise. 
She and her 14-year-old brother, Gabriel, remind me why I do 
this: to make a difference for our kids across this country. 
Data modernization will help me protect their future.
    In 2021, Hurricane Ida knocked out the power in the New 
Orleans area. Our entire infectious disease data system was out 
of commission for about a week. We received no electronic 
notifications of diseases from healthcare providers, severely 
hobbling our public health response. Thanks to Federal 
investments, we have started the process of moving our public 
health data to a modern cloud-based system that will be safe 
during a natural disaster. Unfortunately, these upgrades are 
now at risk. Many health departments have had to lay off staff 
or discontinue system maintenance contracts. If we stop 
investing now or pull back existing resources, we will be 
forced to move backwards. Systems have only been partially 
upgraded, they remain in dire need of security enhancements, 
and they lack sustained trained personnel to keep them 
operational. Cuts will leave us behind industry standards and, 
yes, going back to the fax machine.
    I am here before you today to plead for sustained resources 
for both ELC and data modernization. Specifically, CSTE 
requests that you fully fund the CDC and appropriate $340 
million for data modernization and $120 million for the ELC 
base funding. These dollars make our public health system more 
efficient, not less. They are essential to our ability to 
detect and respond to public health threats of all kinds: 
foodborne illnesses, respiratory viruses, measles, lead 
poisoning, opioid overdoses, occupational diseases, and more. 
We cannot keep Americans safe without your support for our 
work. Thank you.
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    Ms. Letlow [presiding]. Thank you, Ms. Sokol, and I would 
like to recognize our vice chair, Ms. DeLauro.
    Ms. DeLauro. Thank you. Thank you very, very much. 2019, 
Janet Hamilton, Council of State and Territorial 
Epidemiologist, CSTE, testified at Public Witness Day to 
request funding to establish a new effort, public health data 
modernization. Compelling. I said earlier on in my opening 
remarks, what people say here and the pleas that you make on 
your behalf often get translated into resources in order to 
carry out the functions that you care so deeply about. Well, 
that was the case. I introduced the data modernization program, 
and I created that, and I am happy to say in that year's bill, 
2020, the Labor, HHS, Education appropriations bill, we 
included $50 million for this effort. Over the next 4 years, we 
increased annual funding for public health data modernization 
to $175 million. Significant progress. Significant progress.
    But you said it very eloquently. We cannot go back to fax 
machines. It is the lifeblood, data and understanding it, so 
that we can fight disease illness in this Nation, and there has 
to be a comprehensive approach, but I am going to be frank with 
you. Elon Musk and President Trump have fired 2,400 CDC 
employees, 20 percent of the CDC workforce of 13,000 people. 
HHS is terminating $11 billion in supplemental funding provided 
to State and local health departments for public health 
activities, including infectious disease surveillance and 
laboratory testing. And understand, for everybody here, it is 
the State laboratories, that is the infrastructure that allows 
CDC to do what it does. And if there is no ability to be able 
to collect and analyze data at the local level so that you can 
it is preventative as well as being responsive. That is what we 
are here dealing with today.
    Grant funding, additional $2.9 billion, as DOGE is 
reportedly demanding that CDC slash that funding, it would 
illegally cut CDC's annual discretionary budget of $9.2 billion 
by more than 30 percent. We can't undo years of improvements. 
We cannot return our public health system to a time when the 
sharing was so slow, it was burdensome, and we could not react, 
the benefit of saving lives, saving the lives of the people in 
this country. So again, your advocacy is so welcomed and needed 
at this time. I thank you very, very much for being there and 
helping to build that infrastructure that is so critically 
necessary. Thanks so much.
    Ms. Sokol. Thank you, Representative DeLauro.
    Ms. Letlow. Thank you, Ranking Member, and thank you so 
much, Mrs. Sokol, for your time and for all you do for 
Louisianans. I appreciate you. Thank you.
    Ms. Sokol. Thank you very much.
    Ms. Letlow. All right. We would now like to invite Ms. 
Sarah Schapiro--she is the executive director for the Alliance 
of Learning Innovation--to give her testimony. Ms. Schapiro, 
you have 5 minutes.
                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

                    ALLIANCE FOR LEARNING INNOVATION

                                WITNESS

SARA SCHAPIRO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ALLIANCE FOR LEARNING INNOVATION 

    Ms. Schapiro. Thank you, Chairman Aderholt, Ranking Member 
DeLauro, Vice Chair Letlow, and members of the subcommittee for 
having me today. I am Sarah Schapiro, executive director of the 
Alliance for Learning Innovation, or ALI. We are a bipartisan 
coalition that brings together 90-plus education nonprofits and 
industry leaders to advocate for building a better research and 
development infrastructure in education. I am grateful for the 
opportunity to speak about how in fiscal year 2026, a $900 
million investment in the Institute of Education Sciences, or 
IES, and $284 million for the Education Innovation and Research 
Program can continue education R&D's outsized impact on 
improving student learning.
    America is in the middle of a critical education crisis. 
The Nation's Report Card, or NAEP, reveals that one-third of 
8th graders score below basic in reading; one-quarter of 4th 
graders score below basic in math. These alarming data points 
collected by IES reflect a significant decline in student 
achievement from 2019. This directly threatens our national 
security and economic competitiveness. At the same time, 
Federal investments in education R&D have produced significant 
results over the last 20 years. For example, in 2024, Alabama 
adopted a literacy curriculum based on the science of reading, 
which is a body of evidence developed through Federal 
investment. This investment in research helps States craft 
literacy initiatives with hugely impressive outcomes. 
Mississippi's ranking in 4th grade reading improved from 49th 
to 21st between 2013 and 2022, Louisiana's from 50th to 16th--
it is amazing--between 2019 and 2024. State Superintendent 
Kerry Wright, who led Mississippi's impressive literacy gains, 
is now implementing similar efforts based on the science of 
reading in Maryland.
    Examples like these make clear that Federal support for 
education R&D can provide the data States need to make 
decisions about which programs are best for their students. 
This approach respects local autonomy and ensures evidence-
based practices are what drive policy. Moreover, Federal R&D 
investments help our Nation seize opportunities, like 
incorporating AI in the classroom and strengthening career 
pathways. As the executive director of ALI, I see an 
opportunity to work with both sides of the aisle to update our 
Federal investments in education R&D. I am working with 
partners to draft a blueprint envisioning a revitalized and 
rebuilt Federal education R&D system, and we are thinking about 
it with three pillars.
    The first is that the Federal Government should invest in 
world-class data systems to promote transparency and evidence-
based decision-making in schools. This means leveraging the 
valuable work of the National Center for Education Statistics 
to improve transparency about K-12 education. This includes 
bipartisan efforts, like the NAEP test. The Federal Government 
can also incentivize State data systems to link information 
across agencies revealing how interventions impact students 
from birth through career. Second, the Federal Government 
should support State and local education leaders to know it 
works and do what works. We must leverage decades of best 
practices identified through Federal investments, make this 
information broadly available, and help scale these practices 
into classrooms. And third, the Federal Government should 
facilitate breakthroughs in education innovation to help the 
U.S. retain its competitive edge. Drawing inspiration from 
advanced research project agencies like the Defense's DARPA, 
the Federal Government should fund cutting-edge R&D to solve 
education's biggest challenges.
    To realize this blueprint, in fiscal year 2026, the 
Alliance for Learning Innovation respectfully requests at least 
900 million for the Institute of Education Sciences, supporting 
critical initiatives like NAEP, Accelerate, Transform and 
Scale, and Statewide Longitudinal Data Systems grant program, 
and $284 million for the Education, Innovation, and Research 
program to advance career-connected learning and emerging 
technologies. Lastly, we encourage Congress to ensure Federal 
agencies, like IES, have the appropriate staffing levels to 
ensure that congressionally-mandated programs reach kids.
    Thank you for this opportunity to present this testimony on 
behalf of the Alliance for Learning Innovation Coalition.
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    Ms. Letlow. Thank you, Ms. Schapiro. Ranking Member 
DeLauro.
    Ms. DeLauro. Thank you so much, and thank you for, you 
know, really laying out, you know, the work that you do. You 
know that there is an executive order to eliminate the 
Department of Education, and you know that Elon Musk has fired 
thousands of staff from the Department of Education, as much as 
one-half of the Department's workforce. Musk has canceled $881 
million in multiyear research contracts awarded under the 
Institute of Education Sciences--IES--of which you are speaking 
so eloquently, that has halted and has terminated all the 
scientific research that was ongoing, and it impacts various 
education methods on student learning and how kids learn. I 
think it is probably the one area that has been the most 
severely cut, and so every single contract in this Agency, 
which I find troubling in this regard.
    It is that this is such a bipartisan effort, it really is, 
and so many of the programs that we talk about, they wouldn't 
have been wound up in the bill or signed into law if we didn't 
have bipartisan support for this because in Appropriations, 
unless you have bipartisan and bicameral, House and Senate, 
Democrats and Republicans have to agree before a bill goes to 
the President for signature. And so I am trying to grapple with 
why we would take this valuable effort, which we all support in 
some way, which does the scientific research that looks at how 
our kids are learning, what are the best methods, what are the 
innovations, and push it aside. What that means to me is that 
we have to fight to get it back and to keep it because it is 
such a powerful tool that you have in the education profession.
    So I look to you again as I have looked to others. Your 
voices really need to be heard. Your testimony is powerful. 
Testimony needs to get to everyone so that people can 
understand what you do, how you do it, and what resources you 
need to accomplish your goals. Thank you.
    Ms. Schapiro. Thank you.
    Ms. DeLauro. Thank you very, very much for your work. 
Appreciate you.
    Ms. Letlow. Thank you, Ranking Member, and thank you, Ms. 
Schapiro, for coming out today and for your testimony.
    Ms. Schapiro. Thank you for having me.
    Ms. Letlow. I would now like to call on Dr. Scott Harris.
    [Pause.]
    Ms. Letlow. Thank you, Dr. Harris.
    Dr. Harris. Good morning.
    Ms. Letlow. The floor is yours.
    Dr. Harris. Thank you very much.
                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

   ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND ASSOCIATION OF STATE AND 
                      TERRITORIAL HEALTH OFFICIALS

                                WITNESS

DR. SCOTT HARRIS, STATE HEALTH OFFICER OF THE ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF 
    PUBLIC HEALTH, AND PRESIDENT, ASSOCIATION OF STATE AND TERRITORIAL 
    HEALTH OFFICIALS
    
    Dr. Harris. Good morning, Ranking Member DeLauro, 
Congresswoman Letlow. Thank you so much for having me. I am 
Scott Harris. I serve as Alabama State health officer and also 
currently as president of ASTHO, which is the association of 
State and Territorial Health Officials. We represent the public 
health agencies of the states, of D.C., and U.S. territories. 
We are a nonpartisan organization. Although we have members 
representing red and blue and purple jurisdictions, we are 
actually all united in believing that we need sustained and 
flexible public health funding in order to keep our country 
safe and healthy. I have practiced medicine in Alabama for 
almost 35 years. I have seen firsthand how important public 
health is to Alabamians, to America. We don't just treat 
illness after people become ill, but actually work to prevent 
it.
    Our country, the United States, doesn't have a national 
system of public health. We only have a nationwide system of 
public health. We are a patchwork quilt of Federal agencies, 
and State health departments, and local and territorial and 
tribal public health authorities. But public health problems 
don't just stop at the State border, and so our Nation can only 
be as safe and healthy as the weakest link of that patchwork 
quilt.
    Most State health departments rely very heavily on Federal 
dollars. In some States, up to 80 percent of funding for health 
departments comes from Federal sources, mostly from CDC. In my 
State, that number is about 70 percent, so in my State, without 
these Federal dollars, over half a million children would not 
have access to routine vaccinations, and this is at a time when 
we are seeing outbreaks and deaths from diseases, like measles 
and whooping cough. Thousands of women in Alabama would not 
have the ability to have pap smears or mammograms without the 
Federal income that we have. There are over 4,000 Alabamians 
living with HIV who would not be able to afford their 
medications. And these are just a few, among literally 
hundreds, of public health programs nationwide that exist only 
because of congressional support.
    Health departments tend to work behind the scenes until 
there is a crisis. For example, recently in North Carolina, 
officials learned that children were being poisoned by 
applesauce products contaminated with lead. Once that became 
known, public health sprang into action around the country. Our 
environmentalists in Alabama found many locations that were 
continuing to sell these products. They were still on the 
shelves in spite of an FDA recall, and they were able to 
prevent them from being sold. They prevented children in our 
State from potentially permanent neurologic damage. If that is 
a story you didn't know already, it is because public health is 
just out there doing its job. We often say to people, public 
health may well have saved your life today, but you probably 
just didn't know it.
    The public health officials in each one of your States are 
working every day on many important things, like measles, rural 
hospital closures, opioids, mental health crises, but amid this 
work, we were all very shocked recently to learn overnight, we 
had lost $11 billion in Federal funding without any warning at 
all. These are funds that had already been appropriated by 
Congress. They had been approved by Federal agencies for us to 
spend. They weren't just COVID dollars. They were approved to 
be used for many other things, such as measles testing, 
bioterrorism, threat preparedness, protecting communities, 
supporting our local hospitals. The abrupt loss of those funds 
will stop essential work. It will lead to thousands of layoffs 
of State public health employees around the country. We are 
also deeply concerned about the lack of transparency with the 
recent restructuring at HHS. We all share the common goal of 
increasing government efficiency and using our resources 
responsibly, but eliminating large numbers of public health 
professionals overnight with no advance notice or even an 
explanation as to why risks the health and safety of our 
country.
    So we respectfully ask Congress for three things. First, we 
ask you to help sustain investments to State and territorial 
health departments. The return on investment generated by 
public health spending is clear. Preventing disease saves 
lives, but also saves dollars. Secondly, we just ask you to 
please support us in our wish to be included in the decisions 
that affect us in our work. We are on the front lines 
implementing Federal policy. We are the boots on the ground 
that do that work, and it is really vital that we be consulted 
on the impact of funding cuts or administrative changes. 
Finally, we ask you for flexibility in how Federal funds are 
felt. We are so grateful to this subcommittee, we are so 
grateful to Congress for the support of public health 
infrastructure and capacity at $350 million for fiscal year 
2025. We respectfully request $1 billion to CDC in fiscal year 
2026. We understand the budget challenges this year, but this 
allows your own State health officials to make the most 
efficient use of Federal dollars to address the public health 
needs in your own states.
    So, I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to be here 
today. Please know that ASTHO and its individual members stand 
ready to partner with Congress, to partner with the 
administration to keep this country safe and healthy. Thank you 
for your service to this country, and thank you for having me 
today.
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    Ms. Letlow. Thank you, Dr. Harris. Ranking Member DeLauro.
    Ms. DeLauro. Thank you. Thank you so much, Dr. Harris. You 
have just laid it out when you talk about $11 billion in 
supplemented funding to State and local health departments, 
including infectious disease surveillance, laboratory testing, 
but no warning. No warning. If you watched the TV last week, 
you saw a lineup before the Department of Health and Human 
Services where people were going to work, and when they got 
there, their ID was checked, and some of them were said, you 
are no longer here. You are gone. You are gone. But it is the 
individual, yes, but the work that the individual does, the 
repercussions, what you are talking about in terms of health of 
this Nation and the people of this Nation.
    I have a hard time understanding it, I have to imagine you 
have a hard time understanding it, watching the fruits of your 
labor and of what you are doing and how much progress that you 
have made, but they are going further. They are going to look 
at a 30-percent cut at the CDC. As I said earlier, State and 
local public health departments, they are the lifeblood. You 
know, I hear day in and day out around here, let's give the 
money to the States. Well, hell, we are giving the money to the 
States. You just cut it off and said no. Once again, what this 
subcommittee does in so many respects is the work that you do 
and all of the people here to save lives. We don't have and 
shouldn't have a higher priority. So I ask you and all of the 
ASTHO officials, you have to stand up, be counted, and don't 
take no for an answer. Thank you.
    Ms. Letlow. Thank you, Ranking Member, and thank you so 
much, Dr. Harris, for giving your testimony today.
    I would like to call up Dr. Colleen Kelley, faculty member 
in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Emory University 
School of Medicine, with a secondary appointment in the 
Department of Epidemiology at Rollins School of Public Health. 
Thank you for being here today. 

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                                          Wednesday, April 9, 2025.

                        HIV MEDICINE ASSOCIATION

                                WITNESS

DR. COLLEEN KELLEY, CHAIR, HIV MEDICINE ASSOCIATION 

    Dr. Kelley. Good morning. Thank you, Vice Chair Letlow and 
Ranking Member DeLauro. Thank you for this invitation to 
testify. My name is Dr. Colleen Kelley. I am a physician in 
research in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Emory 
University School of Medicine as well as the Grady Health 
System Ponce de Leon Center. I am here today to testify on 
behalf of the HIV Medicine Association, which I serve as chair. 
HIVMA represents nearly 6,000 HIV clinicians and researchers 
working in communities across the country and as part of the 
Infectious Disease Society of America. This opportunity is 
important to me because we stand at a crossroads that will 
determine the fate of millions and drive up healthcare costs.
    Decades of groundbreaking advancements in HIV treatment and 
prevention have saved lives, yet the programs and research that 
have propelled these advances are now in peril. To prevent what 
we fear could be a looming HIV public health crisis in our 
country, please consider the request I submitted in my written 
statement as you make important funding decisions for fiscal 
year 2026. These requests are for sustained funding for the 
Ending the HIV Epidemic Initiative, the Center for Disease 
Control and Prevention, the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program, and 
research at the National Institutes of Health.
    As a college student in 1996, I volunteered at Connors 
Nursery, which was a home for children with HIV/AIDS in West 
Palm Beach, Florida. Many of the children were orphans due to 
the disease and were facing serious medical illnesses and 
limited life expectancies themselves. I played with the 
seriously ill children while nurses fed some through feeding 
tubes and coaxed others to take medications that tasted 
horribly. I don't know what happened to them, and I am saddened 
to think that many succumbed to HIV/AIDS before effective 
treatment was available to them. Now, almost 30 years later, I 
am here before you as an HIV physician and researcher who 
witnesses in my Atlanta clinic daily the profound impact of our 
country's investment in HIV research, care, and prevention on 
people with HIV who are thriving, as well as those who are 
benefiting from availability of preexposure prophylaxis, or 
PrEP, an HIV prevention drug.
    Our clinic serves over 6,000 people with HIV, thanks to the 
support of the Ryan White Program, and more than 40 other 
clinics and community programs in Georgia alone also count on 
the Ryan White program to offer HIV services. Since my time 
volunteering at Connors Nursery, medical research has given us 
the tools to end the HIV epidemic, a successful initiative 
started by President Trump in 2019. We have medications that 
are highly effective at suppressing virus to undetectable 
levels and ensuring that people, including newborns who may be 
exposed to HIV, do not acquire it. Due to these advances, 
Connors Nursery closed in 2005 because their services were no 
longer needed.
    Today, new HIV infections in the U.S. are at the lowest 
levels in history. The rate of perinatal transmission during 
birth is now less than 1 percent in the U.S., down from 30 
percent in the absence of HIV testing and treatment. Thanks to 
decades of bipartisan support, Federal programs have fueled the 
remarkable transformation of HIV from a certain fatal disease 
to a chronic, easily-managed condition for those with access to 
treatment. HIV can also be prevented with a daily pill for less 
than a dollar a day, which is important since averting one case 
of HIV saves an average half-a-million-dollar of lifetime 
treatment costs.
    However, we are not done yet, and we are now confronted 
with an alarming reality that decades of progress in the fight 
against HIV/AIDS are being reversed. In recent weeks, we have 
witnessed the terminations of hundreds of HIV/AIDS research 
grants and the abrupt dismantling of critical public health 
infrastructure and programs, such as the Office of Infectious 
Diseases and HIV Policy, CDC's Division of HIV Prevention, and 
the Sexually Transmitted Infection Lab Branch at CDC, which is 
the only lab in the country that monitors for the very real 
threat of drug-resistant gonorrhea. While we acknowledge there 
are opportunities to make programs more efficient, decisions on 
how to reduce costs without causing harm should be led by 
programmatic leaders, informed by the constituents, providers, 
and communities they serve.
    Without widespread access to treatment, deaths from HIV/
AIDS will increase. Without HIV testing and prevention 
services, including PrEP, new HIV infections will surge. 
Without HIV research, treatment and prevention will not reach 
the people who need them, and we will not find a cure for HIV. 
We are now facing the very real possibility that places like 
Connor's Nursery will be needed once again to care for orphans 
with HIV/AIDS in the United States of America.
    Thank you for your time and for considering HIVMA's funding 
requests that are critical to sustaining progress in ending the 
HIV epidemic.
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    Ms. Letlow. Thank you, Dr. Kelley. Ranking Member DeLauro.
    Ms. DeLauro. Thanks so much. Dr. Kelley, thank you for your 
poignant remarks. I am reminded that I was at a hearing earlier 
this week with the State, Foreign Operations where there was a 
discussion of the PEPFAR program, which, as you know, was a 
George Bush, really, miracle and 23 million lives saved, and we 
are looking at potentially another, you know, 20 million people 
that we need to be able to assist. But PEPFAR is also under the 
gun, and so that the threat of HIV, with all of the progress 
that has been made, is really pretty staggering. I even asked 
the question then, if we are going to end this, what are we? 
Have we squandered all of that money that we spent saving lives 
in Africa and overseas, because somehow we are not going to 
continue to do what we are doing?
    But as I see it, the parallel is also on the domestic side. 
This is not just a one-off with regard to PEPFAR where they had 
a problem, but they corrected it, but this is, writ large, with 
regard to HIV. According to reports, Elon Musk fired about one-
fourth of CDC staff at the National Center for HIV, Viral 
Hepatitis, STD, and Tuberculosis Prevention. The biggest cuts 
came from the Division of HIV Prevention. The Global Health 
Center Division of Global HIV and TB was also reduced by 
roughly a fourth. I don't know how many people have been fired 
from the Division of HIV Prevention or any other division of 
CDC. We can't get the information. We cannot get the 
information. We write letters. It is like a tree falling in the 
forest. You just don't have any response back. NIH has been 
canceling research grants that support HIV/AIDS research. Dr. 
Jean Marrazzo, director of the National Institute of Allergy 
and Infectious Diseases--NIAID--was fired last week. So I am 
deeply concerned about the cuts to HIV programs across multiple 
agencies, and I think what we will see in that case is a deadly 
reversal of the progress that we made in recent decades.
    Just one other example. The HIV Epidemic Initiative, that 
was first proposed by the first Trump administration, and we 
have been funding that effort because the research has been so 
powerful and the results so powerful that we could move in 
using that word, ``ending the HIV epidemic,'' and that has been 
a bipartisan effort. It included HIV prevention at CDC, HIV 
treatment at HRSA, HIV research at the NIH, but now the Trump 
administration is canceling all of these funds. These are 
lifesaving activities. As I said, this is not a road, a bridge, 
a playground. This is lifesaving.
    So I think we have to understand the scope of what is 
happening here domestically and internationally, and we have to 
gather the forces that will fight back on this because God help 
us if we go backward. And on our watch, many more people, 
millions of people, will die in the United States and all over 
this globe. God help us. Thank you for being here today. Thank 
you for your testimony. Thank you for your lifesaving work.
    Dr. Kelley. Thank you.
    Ms. Letlow. Thank you, Ranking Member, and thank you so 
much, Dr. Kelley, for being with us today. I would now like to 
recognize Ranking Member DeLauro for closing remarks.
    Ms. DeLauro. I want to thank the chair, and I thank her for 
her good work, and I know that she has interests in research 
and what we do in terms of life saving for children, for 
adults, wherever it is. I can only go back to I think this is 
such an important day for all of us in this committee. I said 
that at the outset. It is one of the most important parts of 
the subcommittee's process because so much of what you say here 
can get translated into action and resources. It has been done 
in the past. We all struggle with budgets and trying to address 
the issues to the best that we can. But we are not in the 
business of wholesale firing and dismantling the very 
foundations of our public health system, of our education 
system, of our ability to provide people with the training and 
the education that they need and ought to be gainfully 
employed.
    That is the scope of this committee--Labor, Health/Human 
Services, and Education--and I think at the moment, that the 
agencies that are included in this portfolio are the agencies 
that have been the most severely impacted with whatever is 
going on. And the loss of 20,000 people, we lose the expertise, 
the commitment and dedication. We lose the science and the 
breakthroughs because researchers, if they can't carry out that 
research, are already looking to go to Canada, to go to Europe, 
to go to China. They have been three crown jewels, I believe, 
of our public health system. The NIH, the CDC and the FDA have 
given us, has given to the world the best, the finest research 
and innovation and ability to conquer illness and disease. When 
we mindlessly and flagrantly and unlawfully strip those 
agencies of their ability to do their job, we are not living up 
to a moral responsibility that we have. That is not a 
responsibility, it is a moral responsibility, and as I said to 
a prior witness, God help us if we allow this to happen on our 
watch.
    And I ask you to fight alongside of us because it is your 
work, your drive, your commitment, your expertise that is being 
challenged. Thank you all for being here today. Thank you for 
what you do, and thank you for not being afraid to speak up on 
behalf of the work that you do. Really, I say this very 
sincerely, God bless you because you do save lives. Thank you.
    Ms. Letlow. Thank you, Ranking Member DeLauro, and a 
special thank you to all of our witnesses. Thank you so much 
for your time and all of the hard work that you do. We truly 
appreciate you.
    And with that, this hearing is adjourned.
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