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                        EXAMINING VA EFFORTS TO
                      DECREASE DELAYS IN VETERANS'
                      DISABILITY COMPENSATION CLAIMS

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                        ASSISTANCE AND MEMORIAL AFFAIRS

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                     COMMITTEE ON VETERANS' AFFAIRS

                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                        WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9, 2025

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                     COMMITTEE ON VETERANS' AFFAIRS

                     MIKE BOST, Illinois, Chairman

AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN,       MARK TAKANO, California, Ranking 
    American Samoa, Vice-Chairwoman      Member
JACK BERGMAN, Michigan               JULIA BROWNLEY, California
NANCY MACE, South Carolina           CHRIS PAPPAS, New Hampshire
MARIANNETTE MILLER-MEEKS, Iowa       SHEILA CHERFILUS-MCCORMICK, 
GREGORY F. MURPHY, North Carolina        Florida
DERRICK VAN ORDEN, Wisconsin         MORGAN MCGARVEY, Kentucky
MORGAN LUTTRELL, Texas               DELIA RAMIREZ, Illinois
JUAN CISCOMANI, Arizona              NIKKI BUDZINSKI, Illinois
KEITH SELF, Texas                    TIMOTHY M. KENNEDY, New York
JEN KIGGANS, Virginia                MAXINE DEXTER, Oregon
ABE HAMADEH, Arizona                 HERB CONAWAY, New Jersey
KIMBERLYN KING-HINDS, Northern       KELLY MORRISON, Minnesota
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TOM BARRETT, Michigan

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                  Matt Reel, Democratic Staff Director

       SUBCOMMITTEE ON DISABILITY ASSISTANCE AND MEMORIAL AFFAIRS

                    MORGAN LUTTRELL, Texas, Chairman

AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN,       MORGAN MCGARVEY, Kentucky, Ranking 
    American Samoa                       Member
JACK BERGMAN, Michigan               CHRIS PAPPAS, New Hampshire
NANCY MACE, South Carolina           MAXINE DEXTER, Oregon
KEITH SELF, Texas                    KELLY MORRISON, Minnesota

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                           OPENING STATEMENTS

The Honorable Morgan Luttrell, Chairman..........................     1
The Honorable Morgan McGarvey, Ranking Member....................     3

                               WITNESSES
                                Panel I

Mr. Kenneth Smith, Assistant Deputy Undersecretary, Field 
  Operations, Acting Executive Director, Education Services, 
  Veterans Benefits Administration, U.S. Department of Veterans 
  Affairs........................................................     4

        Accompanied by:

    Mr. James W. Smith, Deputy Executive Director, Policy and 
        Procedures, Compensation Service, Veterans Benefits 
        Administration, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs

    Mr. Robert J. Orifici, Executive Director, Benefits and 
        Memorial Services, Office of Information and Technology, 
        U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs

Mr. James "Jim" R. Swartz, President, AFGE Local 2823, American 
  Federation of Government Employees.............................     6

                                APPENDIX
                    Prepared Statements Of Witnesses

Mr. Kenneth Smith Prepared Statement.............................    17
Mr. James "Jim" R. Swartz Prepared Statement.....................    22

                       Statements For The Record

Disabled American Veterans Prepared Statement....................    41
The American Legion Prepared Statement...........................    44
Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States Prepared Statement.    55

 
                        EXAMINING VA EFFORTS TO
                      DECREASE DELAYS IN VETERANS'
                     DISABILITY COMPENSATION CLAIMS

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                        WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9, 2025

   Subcommittee on Disability Assistance & 
                          Memorial Affairs,
                    Committee on Veterans' Affairs,
                             U.S. House of Representatives,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 1:44 p.m., in 
room 360, Cannon House Office Building, Hon. Morgan Luttrell 
(chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.
    Present: Representatives Luttrell, Bergman, McGarvey, 
Pappas, and Morrison.

         OPENING STATEMENT OF MORGAN LUTTRELL, CHAIRMAN

    Mr. Luttrell. The subcommittee will come to order. Thank 
you all. Thank you to all of our witnesses for being here 
today. We are taking a close look at the U.S. Department of 
Veterans' Affairs (VA) efforts to decrease delays in veterans 
disability compensation claims resulting from VA 
overdevelopment. When a veteran files a claim for disability 
compensation, VA has a duty to assist them with proving their 
claim. This means helping veterans obtain service records and 
medical records or scheduling veterans for VA disability 
compensation exams. VA cannot make a decision on a veterans 
claim until all development is completed. Although I hear from 
veterans about how frustrating the wait is for a decision to be 
made, many times VA efforts to obtain records and/or exams 
leads to an award for disability compensation.
    On the other hand, overdevelopment is when VA takes 
unnecessary steps to obtain records or exams. Example, if 
existing documents in the veterans claims file are sufficient 
to support the claim, VA should not schedule a government-
funded disability exam. Overdevelopment forces veterans to wait 
longer than necessary for a decision on their claims and can 
lead to incorrect decisions. Unnecessary exams also waste 
veterans time and money.
    Further, if a veteran misses a VA scheduled exam without 
good cause and they do not reschedule, VA automatically denies 
the veteran's claim even when it was unnecessary for VA to 
schedule the exam in the first place. H.R. 2137, the Review 
Every Veterans Claims Act will absolutely fix this injustice.
    Overdevelopment also drives government waste because VA 
pays contracted exam vendors for every exam, even those that 
were not necessary. In Fiscal Year 2023, about 2.4 million 
exams were completed, a number that rose to approximately 3.2 
million in Fiscal Year 2024. Contracted exam vendors were paid 
for nearly 95 percent of those exams. In December 2024 report, 
in the 2024 report, the VA Office of Inspector General (OIG) of 
the Inspector General (IG) found that VA spent about $1.4 
million on unnecessary exams from April through September 2023. 
The total amount of wasted taxpayer dollars each Fiscal Year is 
likely much higher. The OIG review did not cover the full 
Fiscal Year or examine all types of claims of decisions, both 
approvals and denials.
    We have heard from OIG and the VA employees that 
overdevelopment mistakes are due to an inadequate training. 
Claims processors as well as confusing and inconsistent 
guidance. To address overdevelopment, VA created an 
Overdevelopment Reduction Task Force. This task force 
recommended dozens of actions, including targeted quality 
reviews, updating policy guidance, and increased training.
    I look forward to hearing from VA today on the progress 
made in implementing the Task Force's recommendations, 
particularly I am interested in whether the VA has implemented 
a plan to evaluate the effectiveness of its efforts using clear 
result-driven metrics for success and I would like to hear 
about any efforts VA is undertaking to further enhance its 
strategies to decrease overdevelopment.
    Finally, I look forward to discussing whether VA will 
implement technology to ensure that every claims processor who 
overdevelops a claim learns from that mistake. The National 
Work Queue, also known as NWQ, electronically distributed the 
major--the majority of VA claims workloads across all regional 
offices (RO). The National Work Queue has largely decreased 
decision wait times, thankfully. A key feature of the National 
Work Queue is that when a claims processor defers a claim for 
development, it is returned to the National Work Queue. The 
National Work Queue often then routes the claim to a different 
claims processor at another regional office for additional 
action.
    We have heard about cases where one claims processor after 
another claims processor makes the same overdevelopment error 
in the same veteran's claim. These repeated mistakes are so-
called avoidable deferrals, have resulted in months or years 
long delays for veterans even before a claims processor 
realizes that the development efforts were unnecessary. The 
current system only notifies the most recent claims processor, 
to my understanding, that they committed an overdevelopment 
error. All the other previous claims processors who committed 
the same mistake in the same claim are actually never notified, 
that is what we need clarification on, and therefore do not 
learn from that specific mistake.
    November 2024 letter then Undersecretary for Benefits, Dr. 
Josh Jacobs informed me that there are no technological 
barriers preventing VA from notifying all claims processors who 
have made the same overdevelopment mistake in a single claim. 
Mr. Jacobs told me the VA would conduct a pilot study to 
determine the value of additional functionality. I look forward 
to hearing about the study, progress, and any findings under 
the current Administration. Every veteran survivor deserves a 
timely decision on their claim decisions. Wait times will 
decrease if we can reduce or eliminate overdevelopment. I look 
forward to hearing from our witnesses today about VA's efforts 
to do so.
    I now yield to the ranking member.

      OPENING STATEMENT OF MORGAN MCGARVEY, RANKING MEMBER

    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon, 
everybody. Thank you all so much for being here today. You all 
have heard me say this a million times. I am going to say it a 
million more times. Everything we do on this subcommittee is on 
behalf of our veterans. Everything. It is to serve our 
veterans. Today, that means making sure that the VA systems 
used to process disability claims for our veterans work the 
best they can. It also means equipping and empowering the 
employees who serve the veterans. We need them to be able to do 
their best work without unnecessary limits or undermining their 
importance to the system.
    Unfortunately, this Administration continues to spread the 
false message that VA employees are not dedicated to their 
mission, that they do not have the veterans best interest at 
heart. There is an email from U.S. Office of Personnel 
Management (OPM) that castigated all Federal workers as low 
productivity. It is simply not true. It is also hurtful. It 
hurts morale at the VA, which ultimately affects the job 
performance, which hurts our veterans, which is what we are 
focused on in this committee, helping our veterans.
    The Veterans Board of Appeals employees, the Veterans 
Benefits Administration (VBA) employees, like those in my 
regional office in Louisville, Kentucky, are highly dedicated 
to their mission. Many are veterans themselves. They go to work 
every day in a stressful, high-pressure environment and work as 
hard as they can on behalf of the veterans they both serve and 
sometimes served with. They are in systems where they are 
forced to work in, and the systems fail. They are not given 
adequate training. They are subject to arbitrary performance 
metrics and sometimes arbitrary discipline and now even 
unnecessary insults. All of that makes it more difficult for 
them to do their job, which, of course, ultimately makes it 
more difficult to serve our veterans.
    I am interested today in exploring ways that we can improve 
outcomes for veterans by making the job of these dedicated VBA 
employees easier. The Administration's recent decision to end 
collective bargaining agreements with the unions representing 
these employees, it is a serious mistake. I think it is going 
to harm both the employees at the VBA and the veterans they 
serve. That is really important.
    I think it is going to have an adverse impact on our 
veterans because the unions are crucial to creating a workplace 
that helps employees perform their best, delivering better 
results for our veterans. They help employees feel more 
invested in their work, and they offer better chances for 
mentorship and personal growth. The public sector unions play 
an important role in creating a higher quality training for 
their members and providing important feedback to management 
and policymakers about what is actually happening on the ground 
in the organization. This means better retention rates. It 
means lower wait time for benefits, and ultimately better 
service for our veterans.
    Contrary to belief, public sector unions do not stand in 
the way of dismissing bad employees. In fact, they often 
facilitate it. It is in their best interest to make sure that 
all employees are doing their job well. Public sector unions 
do, however, make sure an employee's dismissal is justified, 
orderly, and most importantly, legal.
    I am hopeful today that the Secretary will listen to this 
committee and request an exemption from Trump's executive order 
(EO), because these employees deserve all the rights afforded 
to them under law and the Constitution to best fulfill their 
mission and, of course, deliver the best possible service and 
results for our veterans.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Mr. Luttrell. Thank you, Mr. McGarvey. Our lead witness 
from VA is Mr. Kenneth Smith, Assistant Deputy Undersecretary 
for Field Operations, as well as the Acting Executive Director 
for Education Services for the Veterans Benefits 
Administration. Mr. Smith is joined by Mr. James Smith, Deputy 
Executive Director for Policy and Procedures. You guys related?
    Mr. Smith. No.
    Mr. Smith. No.
    Mr. Luttrell. Just checking. Procedures and Compensation 
Services. Sorry, man, I lost myself. I am sorry. For the 
Veterans Benefits Administration. Mr. Smith is also joined by 
Mr. Robert Orifici. Got it. We have been together long enough. 
Executive Director for Benefits and Memorial Services for the 
Office of Information and Technology. Today's witness panel 
also includes Mr. James Swartz, sir, who is the president of 
Local 2823 in the American Federation of Government Employees 
(AFGE).
    I asked that the witnesses on our panel please stand and 
raise your right hand.
    [Witnesses sworn.]
    Mr. Luttrell. Let the record reflect that the witnesses 
have answered in the affirmative. Mr. Smith, you are now 
recognized for 5 minutes to deliver--Mr. James Smith, you are 
now recognized. What is that? I am sorry. Mr. Kenneth Smith, 
you are going to start us off with the Smiths. You are now 
recognized for 5 minutes to deliver your opening statement on 
behalf of the Department.

                   STATEMENT OF KENNETH SMITH

    Mr. Smith. Good afternoon, Chairman Luttrell, Ranking 
Member McGarvey, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for 
the opportunity to discuss VA's efforts to increase efficiency 
and process processing veterans disability compensation claims 
through the National Work Queue and improvements brought by the 
Overdevelopment Reduction Task Force. Joining me today are 
James Smith, Deputy Executive Director for Compensation 
Service, and Robert Orifici, Portfolio Director for Benefits, 
Appeals, and Memorial Services, Office of Information and 
Technology.
    The Veterans Benefits Administration has undertaken 
substantial efforts to enhance training and quality review 
programs by focusing on high standards of performance and 
continuous learning opportunities for VA staff. Today, I will 
highlight three specific ways VA is better supporting our 
employees and veterans.
    The first improvement is enhancing the Exam Scheduling 
Assistant, which helps employees correctly determine if an exam 
or medical opinion is necessary. Originally launched in 2023, 
this tool was refreshed last year through the most recent work 
of the Overdevelopment Reduction Task Force. Exam errors 
specific to overdevelopment have been one of the top categories 
of error and delay, resulting in avoidable deferrals and 
rework. Recent enhancements increase the tools used by 48 
percent and contributes to a reduction in monthly errors cited 
for exam overdevelopment. In Fiscal Year 2025, to date, these 
errors have decreased by 7 percent over Fiscal Year 2024. VBA 
will integrate this tool into the Veterans Benefits Management 
System (VBMS), which we expect to launch in Fiscal Year 2026.
    The second improvement involves training strategy. In June 
2024, VBA launched interactive hands-on learning modules and 
updated training content, including comprehensive lessons on 
requesting exams. These efforts reinforce concepts through 
interactive activities, ongoing assessments to gauge mastery of 
the content, remedial training, and follow-up assessments for 
those who need additional repetition. As recommended by a 
recent OIG audit, VA added The Sergeant First Class Heath 
Robinson Honoring our Promise to Address Comprehensive Toxics 
(PACT) Act specific related medical opinion requirements to all 
training products, ensuring employees are well trained to 
address common disabilities. During VBA's Quality Standdown on 
March 20th of this year, claims processors were provided 
additional training and live instructor engagement activities 
focused on ordering exams and medical opinions.
    Third, VBA and the Office of Information Technology are 
developing a solution to complete claims actions correctly the 
first time through improvements to the Veterans Benefits 
Management System. This upgraded functionality is being 
designed as an error check for the employee, providing real 
time feedback on potential errors before the claim is recalled 
to the National Work Queue. This effort is aimed at reducing 
instances of misdevelopment, while improving first touch 
efficiency and reducing avoidable deferrals. This functional 
enhancement is currently in development and is planned for 
initial testing beginning in Fiscal Year 2026. On the topic of 
avoidable deferrals, VA has recently completed preliminary data 
analysis for a pilot study. The study aims to develop a 
reporting solution for employees to receive feedback on any 
claim they touched that resulted in an avoidable deferral. I 
look forward to providing results to the committee on this 
study and its impact on training and mentoring.
    VA is also working on additional improvements to the 
National Work Queue to support improved timeliness through 
better workload management. These include advanced data 
analytics and predictive modeling to prioritize claims in near 
real time and distribute claims based on complexity, urgency, 
and employees skill and experience to speed up the claims 
process. These improvements will also allow employees to 
request additional work in real time directly from the work 
queue and promote supervisory focus on coaching and quality. 
Together, these upgrades ensure claims are handled by the most 
suitable staff, leading to a faster decision and continued 
reduction of the claims backlog, and higher quality decisions 
for veterans. This project is estimated for completion in 
Fiscal Year 2026.
    VBA remains committed to delivering the highest standard of 
service to our Nation's veterans, their families and survivors. 
While significant progress has been made, we recognize the need 
for continuous improvement and adaptive--adapting to evolved 
needs of those we serve.
    Thank you for continued support and collaboration as we 
honor our veterans' sacrifices. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my 
statement. My colleagues and I are ready to answer any 
questions you or other members of the subcommittee may have.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Kenneth Smith Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Mr. Luttrell. The written statement of Mr. Smith will be 
entered into the hearing record. Mr. Swartz, you are now 
recognized for 5 minutes, sir.

                   STATEMENT OF JAMES SWARTZ

    Mr. Swartz. Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member McGarvey, and 
members of the committee, on behalf of AFGE and National 
Veterans Affairs Council (NVAC), I appreciate the opportunity 
to testify today. My name is James Swartz, and I am President 
of AFGE Local 2823 representing the Cleveland, Ohio Regional 
Office. I am a U.S. Army Service-Connected Veteran and I have 
the privilege of continuing to serve my fellow veterans, first 
as an Registered Nurse (RN) at the Cleveland VA and then in VBA 
for the last 23 years. On behalf of over 320,000 VA employees 
AFGE represents, including thousands of claims processors. It 
is a privilege to offer AFGE's views on the National Work Queue 
training and how VBA can enable employees to more efficiently 
and effectively process veterans' and the beneficiaries' 
claims.
    VA should modify the National Work Queue so that a claim 
remains within the same regional office for the duration of its 
processing. Variations between regional offices can cause 
claims processors from different ROs to misunderstand each 
other's work, resulting in a correct claim being unnecessarily 
deferred or delayed. Furthermore, by keeping a claim in a 
single regional office, managers have more control to send 
claims back to the original Veterans Service Representative 
(VSR) who wants worked on it. This would allow the VSR to learn 
from this error and not repeat it. This would also let the VSR 
and our Rating Veterans Service Representative (RVSR) who are 
already familiar with the claim to efficiently address follow-
up work, saving other employees from wasting time to 
familiarize themselves with a new claim.
    If VBA, despite record production and quality from 
employees while working from home during COVID-19 pandemic, is 
going to require claims processors to report to the regional 
office, why continue to shuffle work throughout the country and 
not instead leverage employee ability to collaborate with the 
colleagues sitting next to them?
    As Congressman Self asked about the last time I testified, 
despite the claims backlog, one of the most consistent 
complaints from the claims processors is they do not have 
enough work to meet the performance metrics and must waste time 
asking for more work. The reason for this problem is the 
internal controls VBA has put on the National Work Queue.
    To address this, AFGE recommends, first, the National Work 
Queue should automatically provide claims to individual claims 
processors work queue when they are out of cases to develop or 
rate. Second, claims processors should have a limited ability 
to temporarily hold onto the claim before it is retracted by 
the National Work Queue. Having the claim stay within one 
regional office for its duration would avoid delays and give 
ROs more control over their workload. It would also allow 
secondary claims to be associated with the primary claim and 
worked on simultaneously. Third, the National Work Queue must 
better filter automatic ready-to-rate claims, ensuring 
employees do not waste time on cases that are not ready to 
rate. Fourth, VBA should program the National Work Queue so 
employees who have previously worked on the claim have the 
claims returned to them. This would allow claims processors to 
learn from any mistakes that were previously made and improve 
efficiency and quality.
    New employees do not understand the claims process or VA 
lingo that is critical for employees to do their job. This is 
an easy problem to fix. All training should require hands on 
experience using the tools employees will actually use. 
Training must also focus on mastering the basics, including 
learning the claims process, VBA terminology, and what a claim 
looks like. AFGE urges VBA to reorder its curriculum to allow 
instructors to reference the material that was just taught, 
reinforce the concept, and use this to teach higher level 
concepts. VBA must also improve PACT Act training as Talent 
Management System (TMS) self-reviewed courses are ineffective, 
especially considering constant updates to the Standard 
Operating Procedure (SOP) and manuals that are not reflected in 
the training.
    Finally, on behalf of AFGE and NVAC partners who have long 
worked with this committee to help improve the VA and its 
delivery of benefits in health care to our Nation's heroes, I 
respectfully urge you to ask Secretary Collins to use the 
authority granted to him by President Trump's executive order 
to certify VA employees, including the employees under the 
jurisdiction of the subcommittee at the Veterans Benefit 
Administration, National Cemetery Administration, and the Board 
of Veteran Appeals, are not involved in national security and 
are, in turn, exempt from the executive order.
    The rights guaranteed in our collective bargaining 
agreement are critical to our ability to support the VA's 
mission and better serve veterans and their families. VBA is 
two generations of employees, both the mentors with 
institutional memory who are close to retirement and the next 
generation who are just beginning their journey of caring for 
veterans. Within 5 to 10 years, this knowledge will be lost 
forever if there are no exemptions made, combined with the 
proposed rifts. AFGE and NVAC stand ready to work with the 
House VA Committee and VBA to address these issues.
    Thank you and I look forward to your questions.

    [The Prepared Statement of James Swartz appears in the 
Appendix]

    Mr. Luttrell. The written statement of Mr. Swartz will be 
entering into the hearing record. We will now move to 
questioning. Mr. Smith, Kenneth Smith, Mr. Swartz seems like he 
nailed it right on the head. Now, this is kind of the 
conversation you and I have been having the past couple of 
years.
    Can we have a, not totally granular, but dive into the 
National Work Queue 2.0? You mentioned first touch efficiency. 
I think that is brilliant. Then what Mr. Swartz said, how a 
specific claim will return to a particular Veterans Service 
Organization (VSO) before it is--so it can be completed or 
repopulated into the work queue and then out to another 
regional office.
    Mr. Smith. Thank you for the question. We are working on 
new capability to focus on direct feedback to employees at the 
development action. This is a solution that we have been 
thinking carefully about since our conversations over the last 
year, year and a half. The idea here is to provide an error 
check right after they have completed their actions and before 
it returns to the National Work Queue to prevent delay on that 
claim. This is part of an interactive discussion between my--
VBA and the Office of Information and Technology, who is 
working on that solution right now.
    Mr. Luttrell. As we are doing our best to inform anyone 
that they have made a mistake from the top down, what are we 
doing from the bottom up as far as training and readiness is 
going, so the mistake window is closed?
    Mr. Smith. Yes. I mean, we have completely revamped our 
training. Mr. Smith and his team have been working diligently 
on that to build in more training about exams, to make sure 
that we order the right exams the first time and not 
overdevelop. It has been added into all of our existing 
training products as well as our most recent Quality Standdown, 
where we took our entire workforce offline for a day to focus 
on specific training needs.
    Mr. Luttrell. Mr. Swartz mentioned that some of the VA 
employees are saying there is not enough work for them, which I 
find that--I have heard that myself from VA employees. I would 
like to hear your response and I--okay, so you are going to get 
into the National Work Queue thing. I got it. All right. 
However, if we do have certain employees at regional offices 
say there is nothing here for me. We have a miss somewhere.
    Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. There are 918,000 veterans waiting for 
decisions in the National Work Queue right now.
    Mr. Luttrell. Is that number----
    Mr. Smith. I----
    Mr. Luttrell. That number is down?
    Mr. Smith. It is. Since over the last year we have dropped 
it almost 6 percent.
    Mr. Luttrell. Six percent?
    Mr. Smith. Mm-hmm.
    Mr. Luttrell. Okay.
    Mr. Smith. The very fact that we do not have any work, 
there are two potential reasons for that that I can understand. 
You know, one is it has not been assigned to the employee or 
they have depleted all the work in their queue. That is why we 
want to be able to allow them to pull claims in when they are 
ready and then have us, have the National Work Queue push 
claims to them that is matched to their experience and 
training. Newer employees that are trained on a smaller subset 
of disabilities or types of claims get disability claims that 
they can work until they are fully trained and able to do all 
of them. More experienced staff can handle the more complex 
claims.
    Mr. Luttrell. I understand this correctly, now a claim will 
move from the National Work Queue into a regional area. A VA 
employee will be able to pull that claim without having a 
supervisor load up their desktop more or less, and the 
supervisor providing, I guess, oversight and training. An 
employee can, can move as much as possible. I am sure there is 
a baseline somewhere. It is like, hey look, you are--your 
minimum is this weekly, monthly.
    Mr. Smith. My expectation, and this is still, we are still 
working on the exact development and solution with Mr. 
Orifici's staff. The concept that we are operating under is 
that we will be able to distribute enough claims every day, 
prospectively, to keep people busy. Then if they actually run 
out because things are not ready for them, that they will be 
able to request additional work.
    Mr. Luttrell. I know we do not have a stat yet on--I am 
going to walk that one back. I want to think about that one for 
a second. Sir, Ranking Member, I will yield to you for your 
questioning.
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Swartz, I want 
to dig in a little bit about the recent executive order and the 
collective bargaining agreement that AFGE negotiated with VA. 
Aside from just being a gross breach of good faith, it also has 
some very real practical and detrimental consequences on the 
day-to-day work of those who are involved in processing claims. 
Again, that means our veterans. Anything that harms our 
frontline employees' ability to do their job by definition 
harms their ability to serve the veterans who are at the heart 
of VA's mission, who are at the heart of the mission of this 
committee.
    Mr. Swartz, ask you some questions. To your knowledge, has 
the Secretary submitted a request for an exemption to the 
collective bargaining EO for VBA employees?
    Mr. Swartz. No, sir.
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you. Mr. Swartz, can the union members 
at VA collectively bargain for wages or promotions?
    Mr. Swartz. No, sir. That is banned by law, I believe.
    Mr. McGarvey. Okay. Can the union collectively bargain 
performance standards surrounding either quality or timeliness 
of claims processing?
    Mr. Swartz. No, sir.
    Mr. McGarvey. When was the last time the union workers at 
VA went on strike?
    Mr. Swartz. Never. It is against law.
    Mr. McGarvey. Perfect. Can the union collectively bargain 
for more or better training?
    Mr. Swartz. No, sir. I do believe that is where the union 
would be very beneficial for both the employees, the VBA or VA, 
and also for the veterans. Most of us are workers ourselves. We 
are aware of what is going on. We do the work, we talk to the 
first line employees, and more often they will come to us and 
let us know what their training needs are. Many of them are 
afraid to actually go to managers or supervisors. We have even 
worked with a lot of supervisors when employees are running 
into trouble so that we can work with the employees to get them 
where they need to be.
    Mr. McGarvey. What would you say is the biggest impediment 
to frontline employees operating more efficiently with higher 
quality? How do you think AFGE can help remedy that?
    Mr. Swartz. The number one issue would have to be training, 
and that is where the VA would be, or, I am sorry, the unit 
would be able to work with the VA in order to establish what 
training is needed and to help the employees be able to get to 
their--get these training needs met when it becomes an issue, 
before it becomes a problem.
    Mr. McGarvey. Just looking at this, how does the lack of a 
union with collective bargaining rights impact the ability of 
frontline employees to do their job well and better serve 
veterans?
    Mr. Swartz. I would say one of the biggest things has 
probably have to do with moral, the moral impact that it would 
have. The employees will no longer have a voice. They will no 
longer feel comfortable or competent to be able to go to the 
agency and discuss what their training needs are or discuss 
even what some of the roadblocks are in the way of them 
performing the mission.
    Mr. McGarvey. Is VBA planning to consult frontline 
employees in development of new technology modules?
    Mr. Swartz. Not that I am aware of.
    Mr. McGarvey. Okay. What about the training content?
    Mr. Swartz. Again, not that I am aware of. I have been 
fortunate enough at, I hate to say it, at my regional office, 
but I have been able to work with management to get employees 
some of the additional training necessary.
    Mr. McGarvey. For Mr. Kenneth Smith, I will just ask you 
those exact same questions. Is VBA planning to consult 
frontline employees in development of new technology or 
training modules?
    Mr. Smith. Usually management develops the solutions and 
then we brief the union when it is time to implement.
    Mr. McGarvey. I would just suggest from being in the 
private sector and other things, getting the input from the 
people who are actually doing the work on the ground before you 
develop the training is a best practice. What about the 
training content, is it the same thing?
    Mr. Smith. I believe that there--and I will ask Mr. Smith 
to weigh in on this. I believe there are union members on the 
training team.
    Mr. Smith. That is correct. Not only are they on the 
training team, they develop the content and then also Subject 
Matter Experts (SMEs) from the field, more often than not are 
labor BUEs. They are actually the ones providing the training.
    Mr. McGarvey. Again, we want the best training. We want the 
best employees. This is what helps our veterans. Thank you guys 
so much.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Luttrell. Thank you, sir. Mr. Smith, did the 
Overdevelopment Reduction Tax Task Force, was that disbanded 
last year?
    Mr. Smith. I would not say disbanded, sir. It completed 
work at the end of July. We are working right now on some 
additional initiatives. Such as, we are collaborating with the 
Board of Veterans' Appeals and Office of General Counsel to 
take a look at end-to-end automation and process and procedural 
efficiencies.
    Mr. Luttrell. Did it perform its functionality as it should 
have? It seemed like that was a pretty short window.
    Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. They made more than 50 manual updates 
to streamline and clarify guidance as well as promoted and 
executed some enhancements to the exam scheduling assistant to 
make it more--a little better for employees.
    Mr. Luttrell. That is onboard and running.
    Mr. Smith. It is up and running, but it is a standalone 
tool. What we are doing right now is building that into VBMS so 
that the claims processors do not have to lead the VBMS 
environment to use it.
    Mr. Luttrell. Besides updating the VBA manual on March 10, 
what else is the VA doing to ensure claims processors 
understand the long-standing rules for when to schedule an 
exam?
    Mr. Smith. That is core to our training. All of our 
training content reinforces the requirements for training for 
ordering exams and medical opinions. We have done that through 
our Overdevelopment Reduction Task Force. Those recommendations 
reinforce that leading to a 7 percent decrease in 
overdevelopment errors.
    Mr. Luttrell. You mentioned 7 percent reduction off of the 
gross number. What is projection for this year and what was 
our--did we break a record last year? Or last year--in February 
for disability claims?
    Mr. Smith. Yes. We completed more than a million claims 
earlier this year than ever before.
    Mr. Luttrell. Job well done.
    Mr. Smith. Thank you.
    Mr. Luttrell. I will share that with everybody I know. How 
are we looking for what month is it? April, May, June? How - 
what is the projection downstream?
    Mr. Smith. We are looking--right now we are running eight 
and a half percent ahead of where we were this time last year. 
We are looking to complete more than 2.5 million claims this 
year.
    Mr. Luttrell. What is our total that are outstanding? I 
mean, eventually I would assume we are going to run out of 
veterans.
    Mr. Smith. Well----
    Mr. Luttrell. If we are working at this rate, seems like. I 
probably should not say it like that. I got 40,000 veterans who 
will kick my butt for saying that. I did not mean that in a bad 
way. What I meant was, for the record, what I meant was 
eventually all our veterans will be whole.
    Mr. Smith. Yep. We continue to receive about 10,000 new 
claims a day. Our inventory right now is 918,000. We have been 
fortunate with some high productivity. We have been completing 
north somewhere between right around 11,000 claims a day to 
help us decrease the inventory and get ahead of the backlog as 
well.
    Mr. Luttrell. Okay, well. Outstanding. Before I move on, 
Mr. Smith, do you have anything you would like to add? I would 
hate for you to come all the way--we are having markup in 
multiple committees currently today. Obviously, that is why--
the ranking member and I are the only ones here. Mr. Smith, I 
am not going to let you come all the way to DC. and not say 
anything.
    Mr. Smith. No, I appreciate the opportunity. I would like 
to circle back to the Overdevelopment Task Force. In addition 
to what Mr. Smith shared some of the feedback not only from, 
you know, our partners across the different business lines, but 
our SMEs from the field to include bargaining unit employees 
(BUEs), was that the class size was too large. We shrunk the 
class size. We focused on four phases of a training process. 
Planning, design development, implementation, evaluation, or 
the Kilpatrick Model. We are focused on making data-driven 
decisions and updates to the training based on feedback, the 
assessments that the employees complete themselves as well as 
data that has gleaned from quality reviews. We are committed to 
continuous process improvement with the goal of putting 
veterans first in every decision made.
    Mr. Luttrell. Mr. Orifici.
    Mr. Orifici. Thank you for the opportunity. We are 
extremely excited about the work that we are doing in support 
of VBA and claims process. We are utilizing a lot of the 
current technologies including Artificial Intelligence (AI) to 
help us get ahead of the claims process.
    Mr. Luttrell. Are you where you need to be or is the VA 
where they need to be in the AI space, since it is forever 
changing? I would recommend you keep us very well read on if we 
are slowing so we can get ahead of it.
    Mr. Orifici. No, we are definitely leaning into it. We are 
utilizing it to its most. We are very excited about the 
interactive assist that we have for claims with helping them to 
avoid deferrals and help them make the right decisions. This 
will also tie back into ordering the right exams when they are 
needed and not ordering exams when they are not.
    Mr. Luttrell. Mm-hmm.
    Mr. Orifici. We have a lot of very interesting pilots 
coming up that we are working with VBA on. That should yield a 
lot of benefits when it comes to making the right decision the 
first time versus having to defer back to correct later on.
    Mr. Luttrell. Okay, thank you. There will always be 
something that populates. There will always be a problem set 
that exists. The VA is such a wonderful working machine. Right? 
I mean, I say that wholeheartedly. It has its problems. It 
does. We should forever be changing in order to keep up with 
the wants and needs of our veterans' space. As we move into, as 
our older generations, we are moving into the younger 
generations, our generation of war fighters are coming into the 
VA, and there are a lot of us. Then, you know, it pains me to 
say this, but we are always on the threshold of activation 
again.
    If we do have to go to another theater of war, it will 
populate more and more and more of us. The VA, as hard as we 
work, will always have to work harder every single day. Every 
day, I am sure you do the same thing. Every day I wake up and I 
walk into the--I look in the mirror, I was like, it is not 
about me. It is about everybody I represent. Guess what, 
gentlemen? You represent the most cherished asset we have, and 
that is our veterans that allowed us to do the things that we 
do today. Okay?
    Ranking Member, you got any closing remarks?
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I echo those 
remarks. I thank you for your service and thank you all for the 
service you perform, particularly on behalf of our veterans, 
the men and women who are putting on a uniform, willing to 
sacrifice everything to keep us safe and keep us free. What I 
am going to ask you all to do is on this committee, we actually 
do our best to work together because we understand the mission 
of this committee is to serve our veterans. Make sure you got 
the best management, make sure you got the best labor, and that 
everybody is getting the training they need, and that everybody 
has access to the tools they need and the morale they need, the 
retention that we need to keep people there to keep these 
claims going forward, because that is what is going to help our 
veterans out. Hope you all can continue to do that good work, 
because it is going to take care of the men and women who took 
care of us.
    Mr. Chairman, I please ask unanimous consent to enter into 
the record the following letter to Secretary Collins, from Rep. 
Takano, yourself, Senator Blumenthal, and 126 other members of 
the House and Senate condemning the Trump Administration's 
decision to obviate the collective bargaining agreements, 
bargaining rights of Federal employees, and urging the 
Secretary request waiver from those requirements.
    Thank you.
    Mr. Luttrell. Without objection. Thank you again, 
gentlemen, for coming today. I ask unanimous consent that all 
members have 5 legislative days to revise and extend their 
remarks and include extraneous material. Without objections, so 
ordered. This hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 2:18 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
      
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                  Prepared Statement of Kenneth Smith

    Good morning, Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member McGarvey, and 
Members of the Subcommittee. I appreciate the opportunity to appear 
before you today to discuss VA's efforts to improve efficiency in 
Veterans' disability compensation claims processing through the 
National Work Queue (NWQ), and the efficacy of VBA's quality assurance 
and training programs resulting from the Overdevelopment Reduction Task 
Force (ODRTF). Joining me today are James Smith, Deputy Executive 
Director of Compensation Service, and Robert Orifici, Executive 
Portfolio Director for Benefits Appeals and Memorial Services, Office 
of Information and Technology.
    VA is committed to providing outstanding customer service to our 
Nation's Veterans, their families, and survivors, and we are steadfast 
in our commitment to timely and accurate decisions on Veterans' 
disability compensation claims. VBA has a robust training and quality 
review program holding employees, regional offices (RO), and program 
offices to a higher standard for producing quality claims decisions 
while also promoting continuous learning and performance improvement. 
We appreciate the Subcommittee's interest in this topic, and I know we 
share the same goal of collaboration and continuous improvement.

Over-Development Reduction Task Force

    On January 31, 2024, ODRTF's second phase (ODRTF 2.0) kicked off 
with a focus on improving the claims examination process. The task 
force put an emphasis on contract examinations, utilization of private 
Disability Benefits Questionnaires (DBQ) submitted by Veterans, 
utilization of the Examination Scheduling Request tool, and 
effectiveness of automated examination ordering. It also explored 
opportunities in policy, processes, and technology to eliminate over-
development.
    When ODRTF 2.0 concluded in July 2024, VA implemented numerous 
recommendations in several areas including improvement of the private 
DBQ submission process; guidance to field employees on appropriately 
requesting examinations; and employee training to assist claims 
processors in scheduling more informed, intentional, and accurate 
requests for disability examinations and medical opinions.
    One of the recommendations that VBA implemented were improvements 
to the Exam Scheduling Assistant (ESA). This tool provides claims 
processors with a series of questions for each claimed disability and 
helps determine whether an examination or medical opinion is warranted. 
VBA is in the process of integrating the web-based ESA tool into the 
Veterans Benefits Management System (VBMS) so that claim data can be 
auto-populated, reducing duplication of work and increasing the 
accuracy of examination decisions. The integrated tool will continue to 
present the claims processor with a series of questions to aid in claim 
development. The anticipated date of release of the integrated tool is 
Fiscal Year (FY) 2026.
    Additionally, since June 2024, VBA has made procedural changes to 
clarify and emphasize that examinations are not required when there is 
sufficient evidence of record to decide the claim. VA regulations 
direct decision-makers to render a decision without the need of further 
examination or development, if the medical evidence of record is 
sufficient. This includes accepting private DBQs when sufficient, which 
avoids scheduling unnecessary exams. VA is continuing to guide claims 
processors on this concept as another update to VA's procedures manual 
relating to medical evidence sufficiency was just published on March 
10, 2025.

Training and Quality Initiatives

    In June 2024, VBA began efforts to modernize training for all 
disability compensation claims processors. This program has 
specifically focused on reducing over-development in medical opinions 
and examinations - streamlining when, why, and how they are ordered. 
These lessons emphasize hands on learning and reinforcement of concepts 
through interactive and engaging activities, ongoing assessments to 
ensure learners are mastering the content, and remedial training and 
follow-up assessments for those who fail to grasp the concept the first 
time it is assessed. Some of the specific training courses provided in 
support of minimizing over-development include courses on preventing 
deferred rating decisions in the claims process, identifying the need 
and sufficiency of VA examinations, reviewing DBQs to determine if a 
medical opinion is necessary to decide a claim versus when it can be 
decided based on the evidence of record, and a renewed training on the 
duty to assist requirements for our Rating Service Representatives who 
render decisions on Veterans' claims for compensation benefits.
    When training newly hired claims processors, VA emphasizes the 
negative impact over-development has on claims timelines. How, when, 
and whether to order examinations consistent with regulatory guidance 
are addressed in several courses during initial claims processor 
training. The courses emphasize the impact of 38 C.F.R.Sec.  3.326 - 
specifically, that medical evidence accompanying a claim, whether 
submitted by the claimant or received from a Federal records custodian, 
might render a claim ready for decision without the need of further 
examination or development. This scenario is frequently seen with cases 
of active, presumptive cancer, or claims for increase for total joint 
replacement - an examination would provide no new information beyond 
what is already available in the medical records, so the claim should 
be decided immediately.
    Examination and medical opinion training courses have also been 
updated to include the most recent guidance on requesting evidence, 
sufficient examinations, and Sergeant First Class Heath Robinson 
Honoring our Promise to Address Comprehensive Toxics Act of 2022 or 
PACT Act-related claims and toxic exposure risk activity opinions. 
These concepts are reinforced throughout training with knowledge checks 
and instructor guidance.
    Additional training is provided to claims processors on a recurring 
basis for topics such as the different types of medical examinations 
and opinions and in which scenario each is required or not required to 
grant a claimed issue. An important part of this training is 
specifically focused on preventing the ordering of additional 
development for examinations and medical opinions when the evidence of 
record allows the claimed issue to be resolved in the Veteran's favor. 
This information is laid out and reemphasized throughout the training 
program for new claims processors.
    In June 2024, VBA hosted the first ever VBA-wide Quality Standdown, 
highlighting the Agency's commitment to the importance of high-quality 
actions and positive work experience. This provided claims processors 
with targeted instruction on medical exam requests and the rework 
process. In the post-event survey, with 77 percent of employees 
reporting positive sentiments with improvements noted in 3 month 
rolling quality. In Fiscal Year 2025, VBA plans to host regular events 
collaborating with the Board of Veterans' Appeals and Office of General 
Counsel to further improve measurable outcomes and engage employees in 
content directly related to accuracy trends.
    VA acknowledges that there is always room for improvement, however 
VBA's quality data shows that monthly errors cited for examination 
over-development in Fiscal Year 2025 to date has decreased by just over 
7 percent from Fiscal Year 2024. VBA achieved this while the average 
number of claims processors on production increased by nearly 11 
percent. Additionally, in disability compensation rating claims, 3-
month issue-based accuracy improved from 91.5 percent at the close of 
Fiscal Year 2024 to just under 93 percent at the close of January 2025. 
This portrays that the changes VBA implemented to improve quality 
assurance and training programs are having a positive effect. VBA will 
continue to find ways to improve.
    VA's commitment to continued process improvement of quality 
programs has been further strengthened by additional safeguards that 
have been built into the processing software used to develop and decide 
claims for benefits. For example, modifications were made to the 
examination process by updating a tracking indicator in the VBMS system 
to clarify the status of medical examinations and what additional 
evidence, if any, may be required. This allows claims processors 
involved with the claim to quickly surmise the status of the claim and 
to determine what other development actions are required to decide the 
claim.

Implementing VA Office of Inspector General (OIG) Recommendations

    In the OIG Report, ``Staff Incorrectly Processed Claims When 
Denying Veterans' Benefits for Presumptive Disabilities Under the PACT 
Act,'' \1\ OIG made a process recommendation and a systems 
recommendation. VA has made significant progress in addressing both. As 
previously noted in this testimony, VBA is scheduled to implement the 
web-based Exam Scheduling Assistant (ESA) tool within the VBMS in early 
Fiscal Year 2026. However, the ESA tool has been available as a stand-
alone, web-based tool for claims processors since November 2023, in 
addition to RO guides developed by the Medical Disability Examination 
Office such as the ``Exam Scheduling Request Reference Job Aid'' and 
``Medical Opinion Guide.''
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    Transformative changes are currently being implemented in the 
National Work Queue (NWQ) system, as well as how the NWQ team trains 
the field on workload management, which will impact the efficiency of 
claims processing within VBA. VBA has implemented training to address 
workload management issues, to include local auto-assignment rules. 
Supervisors have provided positive feedback that the training has 
significantly helped, and they also bring that knowledge back to their 
RO peers.
    While the December 2024 OIG report highlighted inconsistencies in 
claims processing, VA is actively addressing these issues by refining 
the Adjudication Procedures Manual and enhancing examination tools. 
Most recently, on March 10, 2025, VBA published a revision to the 
Manual to add a note on the threshold for evidence of a current 
disability-or persistent or recurrent symptoms of disability-for the 
purpose of determining whether to request an examination and/or medical 
opinion and to cross-reference similar principles discussed in other 
portions of the Manual. Based on this progress, VBA has requested 
closure of the related recommendation and continues to work toward 
closure of the remaining recommendation.
    VA is committed to continued process improvement for processing 
PACT Act claims and is implementing OIG's recommendations. VA is 
continuing to update the Manual on when personnel should request 
medical disability examinations and opinions. Additionally, VA is also 
working on enhancing systems and tools involving the examination 
process.

National Work Queue Initiatives and Improvements

National Training and Supervisory Workload Management Training (SWMT)

    In August 2023, NWQ conducted national training for all regional 
offices, with over 600 claims processing managers attending, focusing 
on local rules and deferral routing. This content has since been 
incorporated into the SWMT, launched in February 2024. SWMT is designed 
to equip new supervisors with the principles and best practices for 
workload management. To date, 300 supervisors have benefited from this 
training. Additionally, NWQ offers personalized consultations with RO 
managers to enhance their understanding and application of local 
workload routing rules.

NWQ 2.0 and Enhancements

    NWQ 2.0 will represent a significant leap forward in VBA's claims 
processing capabilities. One of the areas of concern raised by Congress 
during a previous oversight hearing and confirmed by an internal ``red 
team'' is the routing of work back to an employee who previously worked 
on a claim. The current system, which utilizes Prior Assignment Routing 
(PAR), has limitations, and does not always ensure that the claim 
reaches the actual claims processor who previously worked on it. To 
address this, VA has developed requirements for a new approach to 
replace PAR, allowing for claims to be routed back to the employee 
based on the last creditable transaction. VA is taking this one step 
further and is carefully evaluating other approaches to implement 
themes from the ODRTF while also reducing missed development. This 
targeted approach will is expected to improve the first touch 
efficiency and reduce avoidable deferrals, while still maintaining a 
routing process to get the claim back to the last person who took 
action on the claim.
    Another key improvement in NWQ 2.0 is the introduction of a 
``pull'' capability to allow a claims processor the ability to take the 
next claim to be worked out of a dynamically optimized list of claims 
pending assignment. Through this capability, claims processors will be 
``badged'' with attributes, including experience level and proficiency 
levels for specific categories of claims. When the employee is out of 
work, they may request an additional claim, and the system will 
automatically assign a claim that meets their competencies. Eventual 
functionality will allow employees and their supervisors specific, 
actionable feedback for additional training, while ensuring that claims 
requiring special handling are directed to claims processors who are 
both trained and qualified, thereby enhancing the efficiency and 
accuracy of our service to Veterans.
    VBA and the Office of Information and Technology (OIT) are 
currently working to define requirements to achieve outcomes for both 
reduction in erroneous development, the ability to leverage the prior 
claims processor's expertise as well as provide feedback on errors if 
subsequent development is necessary. This functionality will be 
released incrementally, with the first deployments starting in Quarter 
4 of this fiscal year. As functionality becomes available, VBA and OIT 
will collaboratively confirm that the functionality is working as 
intended and adapt requirements to ensure VBA has the capability needed 
to distribute claims effectively.

Deferrals

    The deferral process is a critical component of VBA's commitment to 
quality and employee development. Deferrals are a mechanism for 
employees working later stages of the claims process, to ensure the 
completeness and accuracy of claims processing. It allows for mentoring 
and constructive feedback, particularly for junior employees. When an 
employee completes all required actions, they are certifying that the 
work done is accurate and is ready for the next action by subsequent 
claims processors to complete the claim. The most important movement of 
a claim is the movement from evidence development to the decision 
phase. In this scenario, if the decision-maker cannot make a decision 
due to a misstep in evidence development, they will issue a deferred 
decision and direct additional action be taken to remedy the issue. 
This type of deferral may be categorized as either avoidable or 
unavoidable. An avoidable deferral is an error in workmanship, while an 
unavoidable deferral typically arises when new evidence has been 
introduced subsequent to the last action. This process is not unique to 
NWQ; it is an electronic adaptation of VBA's longstanding practice.
    Avoidable deferrals are routed back to the last employee who 
handled the claim for correction. This reflects a simple accountability 
framework: employees are accountable for certifying the claim is ready 
for a decision and should only certify claims for decision when they 
have personally reviewed and have ensured that all necessary actions 
have been taken. This fundamental management determination and process 
ensure accountability and are longstanding principles that are hard 
coded into VBMS. As of February 2025, 99 percent of all avoidable 
deferrals were being routed back to the RO and 92 percent were routed 
to the specific employee that last worked the claim in the prior claim 
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    Supervisors play a crucial role in monitoring deferral frequencies 
and developing plans for improvement. As part of recent national 
events, such as the Quality Standdown and SWMT, supervisors have 
received training on new tools to evaluate deferral trends and errors 
trends. These tools include the Deferral, Error, and Transaction 
Dashboard which compiles six reports into one easy to use tool, for 
reviewing deferral data and recommending appropriate remedial training. 
This report also houses all errors in one report, providing a breakdown 
of errors by body system and claimed condition. These tools will allow 
VBA to make data driven decisions to enhance training and drive quality 
improvements.
    VBA is taking a data driven approach to construct a pilot for wider 
communication of a claim's deferral. VA's duty to assist often requires 
more than one review in the development process. While VA is working to 
ensure these claims are routed back to the same claims processor and 
has made substantial improvements in this area, employee leave and 
capacity may require assignment to another claim's processor for 
subsequent action. While the deferral process assigns accountability 
for full and complete evidence development to the last employee to work 
the claim in the development cycle, VBA does recognize the potential 
for feedback to the claims processor(s) who worked on the claim 
upstream from the final certification of completeness. This feedback 
would be focused on training and awareness of the need for quality at 
each step of the process, with the intended effect of constructive 
supervisor-employee discussions and continuous improvement. Available 
data will be evaluated and shared with RO supervisors to determine the 
utility of the feedback, which is in addition to existing feedback from 
VBA's formal quality management process.
    OIT and VBA are also evaluating other efforts to prevent deferrals 
before they occur. One area of exploration will use Artificial 
Intelligence (AI) and machine learning to analyze a claim, reference 
policy manuals and user training materials, and provide guidance to 
claims processors on which actions should be taken. These efforts are 
using historic claims and deferrals to train AI models to better 
understand what steps will be needed to lead to the correct outcomes 
the first time. VA plans to begin a small pilot on this and other 
efforts by the end of this fiscal year.

Conclusion

    VA remains committed to identifying areas where we can improve our 
systems and processes to increase the efficiency and quality of 
benefits that we deliver to the Nation's Veterans. We will continue to 
leverage internal quality reviews, adapt our training programs, and 
continue advancements in NWQ 2.0 to ensure that all claim processors 
are equipped with the best tools to complete our sacred mission and to 
uphold President Lincoln's promise to care for those who have borne the 
battle and for their dependents. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my 
statement. We thank the Committee for your continued support of 
programs that serve the Nation's Veterans and look forward to working 
together to further enhance delivery of benefits and services. My 
colleagues and I are prepared to respond to any questions that you or 
other members of the Subcommittee may have.

                   Prepared Statement of James Swartz
                   
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                       Statements for the Record

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            Prepared Statement of Disabled American Veterans

    Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member McGarvey and Members of the 
Subcommittee:

    DAV (Disabled American Veterans) is grateful to provide a statement 
for the record for this oversight hearing titled, ``Examining VA 
Efforts to Decrease Delays in Veterans' Disability Compensation 
Claims''.
    DAV is a congressionally chartered and Department of Veterans 
Affairs (VA) accredited veterans service organization. We provide 
meaningful claims support free of charge to veterans, family members, 
caregivers and survivors.
    To fulfill our service mission, DAV directly employs a corps of 
benefits advisors, national service officers (NSOs) and transition 
service officers (TSOs), all of whom are themselves wartime service-
connected disabled veterans, at every VA regional office (VARO) as well 
as other VA facilities throughout the Nation, including the Board of 
Veterans' Appeals (Board). During 2024, DAV filed 561,358 claims for 
over 1.5 million specific injuries and illnesses on behalf of thousands 
of veterans, resulting in more than $30.4 billion in earned benefits 
for veterans and their families.
    We currently provide representation for nearly 250,000 pending 
claims and appeals before the Veterans Benefits Administration (VBA). 
Based on over a century of direct experience, we are pleased to provide 
our insights and concerns related to the significant issue of 
overdevelopment within the VA claims and appeals processes. This issue 
directly affects the efficiency of VBA and the well-being of millions 
of veterans who rely on timely access to their earned benefits.
    Our testimony outlines the significant problems with 
overdevelopment in several areas, which include feedback from our 
service officers; claims related to the PACT Act; military sexual 
trauma (MST); and disability benefits, as well as appeals under the 
Appeals Modernization Act (AMA) and DAV's recommendations.
    Overdevelopment, characterized by redundant and unnecessary 
requests for additional evidence delays decision-making, creates 
inefficiencies and imposes undue burdens on veterans. Additionally, the 
implementation of the Veterans Benefits Management System (VBMS) and 
the National Work Queue (NWQ) have contributed to challenges in 
overdevelopment despite their intended purposes of streamlining the 
claims process.
    Examples of overdevelopment noted by our service officers 
illustrate the broader systemic inefficiencies within the VA that 
continue to hinder the timely and accurate resolution of claims and 
appeals. For example:

      Improper indexing of evidence in VBMS results in 
unnecessary efforts to develop evidence already present in the 
claimant's record.

      VA claims processors that initiate examinations for 
conditions unrelated to Toxic Exposure Risk Activity (TERA) leads to 
wasted resources and unnecessary processing steps for TERA claims.

      VA requests for additional examinations despite claimants 
providing DBQs completed by private physicians results in delaying the 
veteran's access to benefits.

    The VA's statutorily required duty to assist is a foundational 
obligation that requires the agency to assist claimants in gathering 
relevant evidence to support their claims. Unfortunately, unclear and 
inconsistent communication regarding the duty to assist has contributed 
significantly to overdevelopment. Claimants often receive vague or 
redundant notifications requesting additional evidence without 
sufficient guidance on what is needed. This ambiguity results in 
repetitive submissions, unnecessary delays, and excessive evidence 
gathering, which burden both claimants and the VA system. Notifications 
intended to update claimants on claim statutes frequently lack detail, 
leaving claimants uncertain about next steps and prolonging the process 
further.
    The severity of the overdevelopment problem is fully displayed in 
the 2024 Office of Inspector General (OIG) report titled, ``Staff 
Incorrectly Processed Claims When Denying Veterans' Benefits for 
Presumptive Disabilities Under the PACT Act'' (Report Number 24-00118-
01), which identified critical systemic issues in PACT Act claims 
processing. Claims processors often requested unwarranted examinations 
and medical opinions, even for conditions presumptively linked to 
service. These unnecessary actions caused delays and incurred $1.4 
million in avoidable expenditures over 6 months. Underpayments totaling 
$56,700 were identified for improperly denied claims, along with 870 
potential errors affecting veterans' benefits. Examinations containing 
inadequate or conflicting information were not sent back for 
clarification but were prematurely used to deny claims, further 
exacerbating delays and appeals.
    Additionally, the OIG report indicated that the VA had an 
overdevelopment-reduction task force and the Deputy Under Secretary for 
Policy and Oversight stated that overdevelopment is expensive and time-
consuming and has been a known problem for years.
    Another area that has been plagued with systemic inefficiencies and 
overdevelopment are claims dealing with MST. According to the 2021 OIG 
report, ``Improvements Still Needed in Processing Military Sexual 
Trauma Claims,'' (Report Number 20-0041-163), nearly half of MST-
related claims denied during a 6-month review were processed 
incorrectly. Claims processors failed to apply liberal evidentiary 
standards, essential for MST cases due to the difficulty of documenting 
such incidents. The report attributed these failures to inadequate 
training and oversight, which perpetuates errors and prolongs the 
process. Claimants submitting MST-related claims often faced redundant 
evidence requests and unnecessarily lengthy appeals due to mistakes in 
the initial claims process.
    Appeals processing under the AMA has also been affected by 
overdevelopment. The 2023 OIG report--``VHA Faces Challenges 
Implementing the Appeals Modernization Act'' (Report Number 22-02064-
155) highlighted inefficiencies in providing guidance for higher-level 
reviews and supplemental claims. Claimants often encountered delays 
caused by inconsistent processes, inadequate tracking systems, and 
excessive evidence-gathering requirements. These issues undermine the 
AMA's intent to streamline the appeals process and result in 
unpredictable outcomes for veterans seeking resolution.
    The VBMS has also contributed to overdevelopment. According to the 
GAO report titled ``VA Disability Benefits: Training for Claims 
Processors Needs to Be Enhanced'' (GAO-24-107510), VBMS faces technical 
limitations, including system defects and slow response times. These 
issues necessitate manual interventions that perpetuate redundant 
evidence requests and inefficiencies. Furthermore, VBMS has not fully 
integrated appeals capabilities, complicating claims resolution and 
adding to claimants' frustrations.
    The NWQ, established to balance workloads across regional offices, 
has created additional challenges. Less experienced claims processors 
often request additional evidence, which leads to redundant requests 
and delays as processors seek clarification or additional records 
unnecessarily. The lack of standardized protocols across offices 
further exacerbates disparities in decision quality and timeliness.
    Fragmented record retrieval processes also remain a significant 
hurdle. The NWQ and VBMS exacerbate these delays by frequently 
transferring claims between offices, further complicating an already 
disjointed system. As we have pointed out, overdevelopment is a 
significant problem within the claims and appeals processes.
    DAV recommends the following targeted reforms:

      Streamline the claims process: Eliminate redundant 
evidence requests and enhance automated systems to track claims 
progress in the NWQ and VBMS.

      Simplify forms: Redesign VA Forms, such as 21-526EZ and 
20-0996, to eliminate unnecessary sections and provide clearer 
instructions, ensuring veterans can submit accurate claims and appeals 
efficiently.

      Enhance communication protocols: Establish clear and 
consistent standards for duty-to-assist notifications, providing 
veterans with specific and actionable guidance on required evidence and 
detailing claim status updates.

      Expand training programs: Equip claims processors with 
specialized training to handle complex cases, including PACT Act 
claims, MST-related claims, and AMA appeals. Emphasize proper 
application of evidentiary standards and effective communication with 
veterans.

      Standardize NWQ protocols: Ensure claims are assigned to 
processors with relevant expertise to improve decision quality and 
consistency across regional offices.

      Strengthen compensation and pension examination 
protocols: Minimize errors by enforcing comprehensive evaluations and 
implementing peer reviews of examination reports for accuracy and 
accountability.

      Streamline record retrieval: Collaborate with the 
Department of Defense to create a centralized, efficient system for 
accessing veterans' medical and personnel records. Efforts should also 
focus on simplifying processes for obtaining private medical records.

    Systemic reforms are essential to eliminate the barriers imposed by 
overdevelopment and ensure the VA fulfills its obligation to serve 
those who have served. DAV urges Congress to enact these critical 
reforms, empowering the VA to provide timely and equitable benefits for 
all veterans.
    As an accredited veterans service organization, DAV remains 
steadfast in its commitment to advocating for the fair and timely 
resolution of claims and appeals. Our cost-free advocacy empowers 
millions of veterans and their families to navigate the complexities of 
the VA system.
    Mr. Chairman, this concludes DAV's statement for the record.

               Prepared Statement of The American Legion
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  Prepared Statement of Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States

    Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member McGarvey, and members of the 
subcommittee, on behalf of the men and women of the Veterans of Foreign 
Wars of the United States (VFW) and its Auxiliary, thank you for the 
opportunity to provide testimony on this topic.
    Myriad reasons may cause delays in the Department of Veterans 
Affairs (VA) disability compensation claims process. However, despite 
the reason, they often result in underpayment of claimants and denial 
of benefits, at least for a period of time. We will limit our statement 
to four common causes of delay: failure to conduct a full review of the 
record prior to filing the claim, claim overdevelopment, review of the 
physician's medical opinion by a lesser credentialed medical 
professional, and anomalies in claims processing automated tools.

Failure to Conduct a Full Review of the Record

    A VA Veterans Service Representative must perform a full review of 
a record during the development of the claim. In some cases, claims 
processors will focus on the first contention in the record and then 
base examinations and other actions only on that specific claimed item, 
rather than consider the entire scope of the claim. Ordering medical 
examinations based on an incomplete understanding of the record could 
cause unnecessary or duplicative examinations and medical opinions as 
the details of the record emerge. Superfluous medical examinations 
contribute to a disjointed process and unnecessary delays.

Overdevelopment

    Overdeveloping the claim by ordering unnecessary medical 
examinations slows down the claims process and often frustrates the 
veteran. Claims for conditions related to toxic exposures seem 
especially prone to overdevelopment. Presumption of service connection 
satisfies the need for a medical opinion if the claimant's service 
record substantiates service in an exposure location and eliminates the 
requirement for further medical examination. Any additional 
investigation or medical examinations would be redundant and should be 
considered overdevelopment. As an example, for a veteran exposed to 
burn pits, VA would automatically grant service connection for a claim 
for chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which is a 
presumptive condition attributed to that exposure. VA should not order 
a medical examination and incur a delay to determine some other cause 
of the COPD, such as the veteran's smoking habits. The VFW recommends 
that VA cross reference any previous claims and/or existing medical 
records to prevent ordering an unnecessary medical examination that 
would contribute to a delay in adjudicating the claim. VA also 
acknowledges claims overdevelopment as a problem area and established 
its own overdevelopment task force in 2021 to educate claims processors 
on strategies to reduce or eliminate this practice.

Review by Lesser Credentialed Medical Professional

    Sending the physician's medical opinion to a lesser credentialed 
medical professional, such as a nurse practitioner, for confirmation/
certification causes unnecessary delay and should not routinely occur. 
Claimants could perceive this practice as developing evidence to deny 
the claim rather than offering the veteran reasonable doubt. Time lost 
in sending the medical opinion report to this medical provider and 
awaiting action contributes to the delay with no increase in accuracy, 
quality, or completeness of the claim, and often results in an improper 
denial of benefits.

Automated Tools Performance Degradation

    Automated tools ease claim preparation, submission, and tracking. 
However, VA must monitor their use to detect problems and develop 
solutions at the earliest possible opportunity to prevent delays. 
Beginning in May 2024, our VFW Service Officers noticed delays over 
several months in electronic claims submissions to the Veterans 
Benefits Management System. Delays of 40 days were routine persisting 
through December 2024. During those months, we met several times with 
VA to solve the problem and determine the cause. The situation is 
currently resolved with submissions occurring mostly within a day or 
two, but we still do not know conclusively what caused the delay or 
what to do if it occurs again. A 40-day delay to simply add evidence to 
a veteran's record is unacceptable and provides the opportunity for 
other situations that could have adverse effects, such as when VA 
decides a claim when there is additional evidence waiting for initial 
processing that would have resulted in a grant of benefits. When this 
happens, the veteran must file an appeal and wait months or years for a 
benefit delayed by an incomplete claims file.

Information Required by Rule XI2(g)(4) of the House of Representatives

Pursuant to Rule XI2(g)(4) of the House of Representatives, the VFW has 
not received any Federal grants in Fiscal Year 2025, nor has it 
received any Federal grants in the two previous Fiscal Years.

The VFW has not received payments or contracts from any foreign 
governments in the current year or preceding two calendar years.

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