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               EXAMINING THE PRC'S STRATEGIC PORT INVEST- 
                 MENTS  IN  THE  WESTERN  HEMISPHERE  AND 
                 THE IMPLICATIONS FOR  HOMELAND SECURITY,
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                     COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY

                 Mark E. Green, MD, Tennessee, Chairman
Michael T. McCaul, Texas, Vice       Bennie G. Thompson, Mississippi, 
  Chair                                Ranking Member
Clay Higgins, Louisiana              Eric Swalwell, California
Michael Guest, Mississippi           J. Luis Correa, California
Carlos A. Gimenez, Florida           Shri Thanedar, Michigan
August Pfluger, Texas                Seth Magaziner, Rhode Island
Andrew R. Garbarino, New York        Daniel S. Goldman, New York
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Georgia      Delia C. Ramirez, Illinois
Tony Gonzales, Texas                 Timothy M. Kennedy, New York
Morgan Luttrell, Texas               LaMonica McIver, New Jersey
Dale W. Strong, Alabama              Julie Johnson, Texas, Vice Ranking 
Josh Brecheen, Oklahoma                Member
Elijah Crane, Arizona                Pablo Jose Hernandez, Puerto Rico
Andrew Ogles, Tennessee              Nellie Pou, New Jersey
Sheri Biggs, South Carolina          Sylvester Turner, Texas
Gabe Evans, Colorado                 Vacant
Ryan Mackenzie, Pennsylvania         Vacant
Brad Knott, North Carolina
                    Eric Heighberger, Staff Director
                  Hope Goins, Minority Staff Director
                       Sean Corcoran, Chief Clerk
                       
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          SUBCOMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND MARITIME SECURITY

                  Carlos A. Gimenez, Florida, Chairman
Andrew R. Garbarino, New York        LaMonica McIver, New Jersey, 
Elijah Crane, Arizona                  Ranking Member
Sheri Biggs, South Carolina          Timothy M. Kennedy, New York
Mark E. Green, MD, Tennessee (ex     Sylvester Turner, Texas
  officio)                           Bennie G. Thompson, Mississippi 
                                       (ex officio)
             Roland Hernandez, Subcommittee Staff Director
           Alex Marston, Minority Subcommittee Staff Director 




























           
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                               Statements

The Honorable Carlos A. Gimenez, a Representative in Congress 
  From the State of Florida, and Chairman, Subcommittee on 
  Transportation and Maritime Security:
  Oral Statement.................................................     1
  Prepared Statement.............................................     3
The Honorable LaMonica McIver, a Representative in Congress From 
  the State of New Jersey, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee on 
  Transportation and Maritime Security:
  Oral Statement.................................................     5
  Prepared Statement.............................................     6
The Honorable Bennie G. Thompson, a Representative in Congress 
  From the State of Mississippi, and Ranking Member, Committee on 
  Homeland Security:
  Prepared Statement.............................................     8

                               Witnesses

Mr. Isaac B. Kardon, Ph.D., Senior Fellow for China Studies, Asia 
  Program, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Adjunct 
  Professor, Johns Hopkins SAIS:
  Oral Statement.................................................    10
  Prepared Statement.............................................    12
Mr. Matthew Kroenig, Vice President and Senior Director, 
  Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security, Atlantic Council 
  and Professor of Government and Foreign Service, Georgetown 
  University:
  Oral Statement.................................................    31
  Prepared Statement.............................................    33
Mr. Ryan C. Berg, Director, Americas Program, Center for 
  Strategic and International Studies:
  Oral Statement.................................................    35
  Prepared Statement.............................................    37
Mr. Cary Davis, President & CEO, American Association of Port 
  Authorities (AAPA):
  Oral Statement.................................................    44
  Prepared Statement.............................................    46

 
                 EXAMINING THE PRC'S STRATEGIC PORT IN-
                  VESTMENTS IN THE  WESTERN  HEMISPHERE
                  AND  THE  IMPLICATIONS  FOR  HOMELAND
                  SECURITY, PART I

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                       Tuesday, February 11, 2025

             U.S. House of Representatives,
                    Committee on Homeland Security,
                        Subcommittee on Transportation and 
                                         Maritime Security,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:06 a.m., in 
Room 310, Cannon House Office Building, Hon. Carlos Gimenez 
[Chairman of the subcommittee] presiding.
    Present: Representatives Gimenez, Garbarino, Crane, Biggs, 
McIver, Kennedy, and Turner.
    Also present: Representatives Nunn, and Hernandez.
    Chairman Gimenez. The Committee on Homeland Security 
Subcommittee on Transportation and Maritime Security will come 
to order. Without objection, the Chair may declare the 
subcommittee in recess at any point.
    Today's hearings will examine the People's Republic of 
China's strategic investments in ports across the Western 
Hemisphere, including the United States and near the Panama 
Canal, and their broader implications for homeland security.
    Without objection, the gentleman from Iowa, Mr. Zach Nunn 
and the gentleman from Puerto Rico, Mr. Pablo Jose Hernandez 
are permitted to sit with the subcommittee and ask questions of 
the witnesses.
    I now recognize myself for an opening statement. Good 
morning. I want to welcome everyone to the first hearing of the 
Subcommittee on Transportation and Maritime Security in the 
119th Congress. As we begin this new Congress, it is only 
fitting that we turn our attention to one of the most pressing 
national security threats facing the United States today: the 
People's Republic of China's growing presence in the Western 
Hemisphere.
    In recent years, the PRC has steadily increased its 
footprints in key maritime infrastructure across Latin America 
and the Caribbean, gaining leverage over trade routes, and 
extending its economic, political, and military influence in 
our region.
    Today's hearing marks the beginning of a serious effort by 
this subcommittee to assess the scope of Beijing's ambitions 
and determine what steps must be taken to safeguard the 
homeland.
    President Trump and senior officials in his administration 
have rightly warned about the security risks posed by Beijing's 
malign investments and particularly in ports near the Panama 
Canal, which has long served as an essential artery for global 
commerce and U.S. naval operations.
    Last week in his first foreign trip as Secretary of State, 
Marco Rubio reinforced that warning during a visit to Panama 
where he made clear that the PRC's presence near the canal 
poses an unacceptable risk. These concerns are well-founded.
    Through state-owned enterprises such as China Merchants 
Port Holdings, Hutchison Port Holdings, and China Ocean 
Shipping Company, COSCO Shipping, the Chinese Communist party, 
the CCP, has secured access to some of the most strategically 
significant ports in our region.
    Nowhere is this more concerning than at Panama. 
Approximately 14 percent of all U.S. seaborne trade moves 
through the Panama Canal, with an even more significant 40 
percent of U.S. container traffic transiting it annually.
    Hutchinson Ports, a subsidiary of Hutchison Port Holdings, 
Limited, a Hong Kong-headquartered company with close ties to 
the CCP, manages container terminals at 2 of the largest ports 
adjacent to the canal. These container terminals are located at 
the Port of Balboa on the Pacific side and the Port of 
Cristobal on the Atlantic side.
    This gives Beijing a strategic position over one of the 
world's most important waterways and provides the CCP with an 
opportunity to exert influence over commercial shipping, gather 
intelligence on American and allied vessel traffic, and 
potentially restrict the mobility of our Navy in a time of 
crisis.
    While Panama has recently announced an audit of Hutchinson 
Ports, that is simply not enough. We don't need an audit. We 
need action. The United States cannot and will not accept the 
scenario where a foreign adversary, one that openly seeks to 
undermine our global standing, controls infrastructure critical 
to U.S. homeland security, military readiness, and economic 
stability.
    For more than 2 centuries under the principles of the 
Monroe Doctrine, the United States has been the primary 
guarantor of stability and security in the Western Hemisphere, 
ensuring that trade routes vital to our economic security 
remain free from foreign adversarial dominance. Yet today, the 
CCP is aggressively working to change that reality.
    However, Panama is only part of the larger picture. Across 
the hemisphere, the PRC is securing port investment and 
critical infrastructure agreements in countries such as Cuba, 
Peru, Brazil, and Ecuador, among others.
    In communist Cuba, just 90 miles from my home district in 
South Florida, the PRC has expanded its economic and signals 
intelligence capabilities through facility development 
agreements and telecommunications investments. This raises 
serious concerns about Beijing's ability to conduct 
surveillance against the United States from inside our own 
backyard.
    In Peru, the PRC is transforming the Port of Chancay into a 
major trade hub for its exports to South America. This is more 
than an economic project. It strengthens the PRC's malign 
economic influence and grip over regional trade and could allow 
for dual-use capabilities to support future People Liberations 
Army's Navy operations in the Pacific.
    The implications of these investments for U.S. homeland 
security cannot be ignored.
    The PRC's expanding presence in Latin America has also 
exacerbated the illicit flow of goods, including precursor 
chemicals used to manufacture fentanyl. These chemicals fuel 
drug production and trafficking networks run by the cartels to 
send deadly narcotics into American communities.
    The CCP is complicit in this crisis, which has taken the 
lives of thousands, no, not just thousands, hundreds of 
thousands of Americans and overwhelmed law enforcement at our 
Southwest Border.
    Alarmingly, these same PRC state-owned enterprises also 
continue to operate in U.S. ports today, which poses grave 
intelligence and security risk. A prime example is COSCO 
Shipping which the Department of Defense recently placed on its 
Section 1260H list of Chinese military companies due to its 
ties to the PRC's military, intelligence, and security 
apparatus.
    Less than a month ago, Federal authorities arrested 9 
individuals for their role in a massive smuggling operation 
that allegedly funneled nearly $200 million of counterfeit and 
illicit goods from the PRC into the United States through the 
Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.
    This is the kind of illicit activity that takes place when 
we allow foreign adversaries, including those operating under 
the direction of the CCP, to gain access to our Nation's 
critical infrastructure.
    The message to our partners in the Western Hemisphere must 
be clear. If you want to benefit from security cooperation and 
economic partnership with the United States, you must distance 
yourself from PRC state-owned enterprises. The CCP has no 
rightful place in shaping the economic and security landscape 
of our region.
    I want to thank our witnesses for appearing before the 
subcommittee today. I look forward to a productive discussion 
on how we can enhance America's security in response to the 
PRC's increasing presence and influence in the Western 
Hemisphere.
    [The statement of Chairman Gimenez follows:]
    
                Statement of Chairman Carlos A. Gimenez
                
                           February 11, 2025
                           
    Good morning. I want to welcome everyone to the first hearing of 
the Subcommittee on Transportation and Maritime Security in the 119th 
Congress.
    As we begin this new Congress, it is only fitting that we turn our 
attention to one of the most pressing national security threats facing 
the United States today--the People's Republic of China's (PRC) growing 
presence in the Western Hemisphere.
    In recent years, the PRC has steadily increased its footprint in 
key maritime infrastructure across Latin America and the Caribbean, 
gaining leverage over trade routes and extending its economic, 
political, and military influence in our region.
    Today's hearing marks the beginning of a serious effort by this 
subcommittee to assess the scope of Beijing's ambitions and determine 
what steps must be taken to safeguard the homeland.
    President Trump and senior officials in his administration have 
rightly warned about the security risks posed by Beijing's malign 
investments, particularly in ports near the Panama Canal, which has 
long served as an essential artery for global commerce and U.S. naval 
operations.
    Last week, in his first foreign trip as Secretary of State, Marco 
Rubio reinforced that warning during a visit to Panama, where he made 
clear that the PRC's presence near the canal poses an unacceptable 
risk. These concerns are well-founded.
    Through state-owned enterprises such as China Merchants Port 
Holdings, Hutchison Port Holdings, and China Ocean Shipping Company 
(COSCO Shipping), the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has secured access 
to some of the most strategically significant ports in our region.
    Nowhere is this more concerning than in Panama. Approximately 14 
percent of all U.S. seaborne trade moves through the Panama Canal, with 
an even more significant 40 percent of U.S. container traffic 
transiting it annually.
    Hutchinson Ports, a subsidiary of Hutchison Port Holdings Limited, 
a Hong Kong-headquartered company with close ties to the CCP, manages 
container terminals at two of the largest ports adjacent to the canal. 
These container terminals are located at the Port of Balboa on the 
Pacific side and the Port of Cristobal on the Atlantic side.
    This gives Beijing a strategic position over one of the world's 
most important waterways and provides the CCP with the opportunity to 
exert influence over commercial shipping, gather intelligence on 
American and allied vessel traffic, and potentially restrict the 
mobility of our Navy in a time of crises.
    And while Panama has recently announced an audit of Hutchison 
Ports, that is simply not enough. We do not need an audit. We need 
action.
    The United States cannot and will not accept a scenario where a 
foreign adversary--one that openly seeks to undermine our global 
standing--controls infrastructure critical to U.S. homeland security, 
military readiness, and economic stability.
    For more than 2 centuries, under the principles of the Monroe 
Doctrine, the United States has been the primary guarantor of stability 
and security in the Western Hemisphere, ensuring that trade routes 
vital to our economic security remain free from foreign adversarial 
dominance.
    Yet today, the CCP is aggressively working to change that reality.
    However, Panama is only part of the larger picture. Across the 
hemisphere, the PRC is securing port investments and critical 
infrastructure agreements in countries such as Cuba, Peru, Brazil, and 
Ecuador, among others.
    In Communist Cuba, just 90 miles from my home district in South 
Florida, the PRC has expanded its economic and signals intelligence 
capabilities through facility development agreements and 
telecommunications investments. This raises serious concerns about 
Beijing's ability to conduct surveillance against the United States 
from inside our own backyard.
    In Peru, the PRC is transforming the Port of Chancay into a major 
trade hub for its exports to South America. This is more than an 
economic project. It strengthens the PRC's malign economic influence 
and grip over regional trade and could allow for dual-use capabilities 
that support future People's Liberation Army Navy operations in the 
Pacific.
    The implications of these investments for U.S. homeland security 
cannot be ignored.
    The PRC's expanding presence in Latin America has also exacerbated 
the illicit flow of goods, including precursor chemicals used to 
manufacture fentanyl.
    These chemicals fuel drug production and trafficking networks run 
by the cartels that send deadly narcotics into American communities. 
The CCP is complicit in this crisis, which has taken the lives of 
thousands of Americans and overwhelmed law enforcement at our Southwest 
Border.
    Alarmingly, these same PRC state-owned enterprises also continue to 
operate in U.S. ports today, which poses grave intelligence and 
security risks. A prime example is COSCO Shipping, which the Department 
of Defense recently placed on its Section 1260H list of ``Chinese 
military companies,'' due to its ties to the PRC's military, 
intelligence, and security apparatus.
    Less than a month ago, Federal authorities arrested 9 individuals 
for their role in a massive smuggling operation that allegedly funneled 
nearly $200 million of counterfeit and illicit goods from the PRC into 
the United States through the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.
    This is the kind of illicit activity that takes place when we allow 
foreign adversaries, including those operating under the direction of 
the CCP, to gain access to our Nation's critical infrastructure.
    The message to our partners in the Western Hemisphere must be 
clear. If you want to benefit from security cooperation and economic 
partnership with the United States, you must distance yourselves from 
PRC state-owned enterprises.
    The CCP has no rightful place in shaping the economic and security 
landscape of our region.
    I want to thank our witnesses for appearing before the subcommittee 
today.
    I look forward to a productive discussion on how we can enhance 
America's security in response to the PRC's increasing presence and 
influence in the Western Hemisphere.

    Chairman Gimenez. I now recognize the Ranking Member, the 
gentlewoman from New Jersey, Ms. McIver for her opening 
statements.
    Mrs. McIver. Good morning. Thank you to our witnesses for 
joining us today.
    Thank you to our Chairman Gimenez for holding today's 
hearings.
    I am glad to serve as Ranking Member of this subcommittee 
this Congress, and I look forward to working with all of my 
colleagues to advance the security of our transportation and 
maritime systems.
    Before I begin, I want to offer my condolences to the 
friends and families of those recently took those to, excuse 
me, to the friends and families of those lost in recent 
aviation accidents here in Washington, DC, as well as 
Philadelphia and Alaska. We must ensure travelers everywhere 
can board planes and get to their destination safely and 
securely.
    Now to the topic at hand, the People's Republic of China 
has aggressively pursued investments in ports throughout the 
Americas and across the globe. PRC aggression requires a 
robust, coordinated response by the United States and our 
allies.
    Investments by Chinese state-owned companies and terminal 
leases at U.S. ports must continue to be reviewed carefully by 
the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States as 
they have been to date. PRC investments in ports abroad must be 
countered by U.S. foreign aid.
    However, scrutinizing PRC investments in our ports only 
goes so far if we are at the same time opening the front gates 
of our Government to Chinese influence. The PRC poses a threat 
to U.S. national security through investments, not just in 
ports but in all manner of foreign assets, including their top 
puppet Elon Musk.
    Since being installed as the de facto president of the 
United States, Musk has acted at every turn in the interest of 
China and himself at the expense of American people. Musk has 
deep ties to China. We do not know the full extent of those 
ties because he refuses to follow public financial disclosure, 
but we do know that Musk has received hundreds of millions of 
dollars in loans from PRC-controlled banks to build factories 
in Shanghai, which are central to his business and wealth.
    We know that Musk has repeatedly met with senior Chinese 
officials and failed to disclose those meetings despite being 
required to do so as a U.S. defense contractor. Musk's own DOGE 
co-chair Vivek Ramaswamy has said of Musk, ``I have no reason 
to think Elon won't jump like a circus monkey when Xi Jinping 
calls in the hour of need.''
    Since inauguration day, Musk and his affiliates have 
inserted themselves at multiple Government agencies and gained 
access to Government systems containing America's most 
sensitive personal data. Musk has also exported American's 
personal data onto unsecured personal servers for unknown 
reasons.
    One Government contractor responsible for contributing to 
intelligence briefings for this Treasury Department called 
DOGE's access to the Department's payment system, ``an 
unprecedented insider threat risk.''
    If my colleagues were as concerned as they profess to be 
about the PRC's access to sensitive U.S. critical 
infrastructure and data, they would not be OK with handing 
their constituents' information over to an unelected 
billionaire whose true intentions are unknown.
    In addition, the Musk-Trump administration has attempted to 
freeze grant spending, including disbursements for the Port 
Security Grant Program which U.S. ports rely on to fund 
critical security projects.
    To make matters worse, Musk and his underlings are killing 
or trying to kill USAID, the agency responsible for providing 
foreign aid. USAID's foreign investments are vital to advancing 
U.S. interests abroad. In fact, USAID's investments are the 
best tool the United States has to counter the PRC's influence 
on the global stage in general and the PRC's foreign port 
investments in particular.
    USAID provides these investments for less than 1 percent of 
the Federal budget. Elon Musk's net worth has increased by far 
more than the entire USAID's budget just since Election Day, 
which just goes to show that he cares about his own personal 
enrichment and not making the Government more efficient.
    Dismantling USAID is illegal. I am going to say that again. 
Dismantling USAID is illegal as Congress has authorized, 
funded, and mandated its foreign aid programs. But beyond that, 
dismantling USAID is just plain dumb. At least it is dumb if 
your goal is to advance U.S. interests, which may not be Musk's 
goal.
    Removing U.S. foreign aid will create a soft power vacuum 
that the PRC will happily fill. As one former USAID official 
put it, and I quote, ``Halting foreign aid, even just 
temporarily, will have obvious predictable results. Children 
will die, our national security will erode, America's alliances 
will suffer, U.S. partners will be at risk, and America's 
enemies will rejoice. The Trump administration has just put 
America last while handing a gift to our biggest adversaries, 
notably China.''
    I agree with my colleagues across the aisle that our ports 
need to be secure and that we need to counter the PRC's 
influence in the United States and across the globe. I hope my 
colleagues would open their eyes and see that this 
administration's actions fly directly in the face of those 
goals.
    I thank the witnesses again for joining us, and I yield 
back.
    [The statement of Ranking Member McIver follows:]
    
              Statement of Ranking Member LaMonica McIver
              
                           February 11, 2025
                           
    I am glad to serve as Ranking Member of this subcommittee this 
Congress, and I look forward to working with all my colleagues to 
advance the security of our transportation and maritime systems.
    Before I begin, I want to offer my condolences to the friends and 
families of those lost in recent aviation accidents here in Washington, 
DC, as well as in Philadelphia and Alaska. We must ensure travelers 
everywhere can board planes and get to their destinations safely and 
securely.
    Now to the topic at hand. The People's Republic of China has 
aggressively pursued investments in ports throughout the Americas and 
across the globe.
    PRC aggression requires a robust, coordinated response by the 
United States and our allies.
    Investments by Chinese state-owned companies in terminal leases at 
U.S. ports must continue to be reviewed carefully by the Committee on 
Foreign Investment in the United States, as they have been to date, and 
PRC investments in ports abroad must be countered by U.S. foreign aid.
    However, scrutinizing PRC investments in our ports only goes so far 
if we are, at the same time, opening the front gates of our Government 
to Chinese influence.
    The PRC poses a threat to U.S. national security through their 
investments not just in ports, but in all manner of foreign assets--
including their top puppet, Elon Musk.
    Since being installed as the de facto President of the United 
States, Musk has acted at every turn in the interests of China and 
himself, at the expense of the American people.
    Musk has deep ties to China. We do not know the full extent of 
those ties because he refuses to file a public financial disclosure--
but we do know that Musk has received hundreds of millions of dollars 
in loans from PRC-controlled banks to build factories in Shanghai, 
which are central to his businesses and wealth.
    And we know that Musk has repeatedly met with senior Chinese 
officials and failed to disclose those meetings, despite being required 
to do so as a U.S. defense contractor.
    Musk's own former DOGE co-chair Vivek Ramaswamy has said of Musk, 
``I have no reason to think Elon won't jump like a circus monkey when 
Xi Jinping calls in the hour of need.''
    Since Inauguration Day, Musk and his unqualified cronies have 
inserted themselves at multiple Government agencies and gained access 
to Government systems containing Americans' most sensitive personal 
data.
    Musk has also exported Americans' personal data onto unsecure 
personal servers for unknown reasons.
    One Government contractor responsible for contributing to 
intelligence briefings for the Treasury Department called DOGE's access 
to the Department's payment system, ``an unprecedented insider threat 
risk.''
    If my colleagues were as concerned as they profess to be about the 
PRC's access to sensitive U.S. critical infrastructure and data, they 
would not be OK with handing their constituents' information over to an 
unelected billionaire whose true intentions are unknown.
    In addition, the Musk-Trump administration has attempted to freeze 
grant spending, including disbursements for the Port Security Grant 
Program, which U.S. ports rely on to fund critical security projects.
    To make matters worse, Musk and his underlings are trying to kill 
USAID, the agency responsible for providing foreign aid. USAID's 
foreign investments are vital to advancing U.S. interests abroad.
    In fact, USAID's investments are the best tool the United States 
has to counter the PRC's influence on the global stage in general--and 
the PRC's foreign port investments in particular.
    USAID provides these investments for less than 1 percent of the 
Federal budget. Elon Musk's net worth has increased by far more than 
the entire USAID budget just since Election Day--which just goes to 
show that he cares about his own personal enrichment, not making the 
Government more efficient.
    Dismantling USAID is illegal, as Congress has authorized, funded, 
and mandated its foreign aid programs.
    But beyond that, dismantling USAID is just plain dumb. At least, it 
is dumb if your goal is to advance U.S. interests--which may not be 
Musk's goal. Removing U.S. foreign aid will create a ``soft power'' 
vacuum that the PRC will happily fill.
    As one former USAID official put it, ``Halting [foreign aid], even 
just temporarily will have obvious, predictable results: Children will 
die. Our national security will erode. America's alliances will suffer. 
U.S. partners will be at risk. And America's enemies will rejoice . . . 
The Trump administration has just put America last, while handing a 
gift to our biggest adversaries, notably China.''
    I agree with my colleagues across the aisle that our ports need to 
be secure, and that we need to counter the PRC's influence in the 
United States and across the globe.
    I hope my colleagues will open their eyes and see that this 
administration's actions fly directly in the face of those goals.

    Chairman Gimenez. Thank you to the Ranking Member.
    Other Members of the committee are reminded that opening 
statements may be submitted for the record.
    [The statement of Ranking Member Thompson follows:]
    
             Statement of Ranking Member Bennie G. Thompson 
             
                           February 11, 2025
                           
    This hearing is only our committee's third this Congress, but I am 
already beginning to sense a theme: the Republican Majority wants to 
hold hearings on real problems, but is turning a blind eye to how the 
Trump administration is making those problems much, much worse.
    Last week, Republicans convened a hearing on cybersecurity 
workforce challenges, while trying to ignore the Trump administration's 
brazen attacks on Federal workers.
    This week, Republicans are holding a hearing on the People's 
Republic of China's growing international presence in the maritime 
sector, while trying to ignore the Trump administration's brazen 
attacks on U.S. foreign aid, which is essential to combatting the PRC's 
influence around the world.
    This is like trying to mow the lawn while your house is on fire.
    The threats posed by the PRC to U.S. and international ports are 
worthy of serious attention.
    The PRC has grown increasingly aggressive within the maritime 
domain and currently owns or operates more than 40 ports in Mexico, 
Central, and South America.
    Some of these are deepwater ports with wide-berth docks sufficient 
for China's Navy to make port calls for logistics and refueling needs.
    The United States and its partners face tremendous challenges in 
responding to the PRC's activities--which is even more challenging when 
the current administration is undermining those efforts.
    On Inauguration Day, President Trump signed an Executive Order 
pausing U.S. foreign aid.
    Since then, we have seen Elon Musk and his Department of Government 
Efficiency minions attempt to shutter the U.S. Agency for International 
Development.
    Stepping back from the world stage is not the way to counter 
China's growing influence.
    In fact it will do exactly the opposite, opening the door for China 
to fill the void the United States has left.
    As we seek to understand why the administration would take these 
seemingly incomprehensible actions, we cannot ignore Elon Musk's ties 
to China.
    Musk's various businesses are deeply entangled with the PRC.
    In 2019, Tesla opened the Shanghai Super Factory, built using loans 
from PRC state-owned banks.
    The PRC has given Tesla special tax breaks and other benefits.
    Ever since Musk established business ties with the PRC, he has 
acted in China's best interests.
    During the December 2024 Government funding negotiations, Musk 
inserted himself at the last minute to urge Republicans to reject the 
bill they had negotiated.
    The bill would have prohibited or required notification of overseas 
transactions involving certain Chinese services, as well as an expanded 
review of Chinese real estate purchases in the United States.
    Republicans followed Musk's orders, and the final version of the 
bill dropped those provisions.
    In addition, the Department of Defense has been investigating Musk 
and SpaceX for failing to disclose meetings with Chinese and Russian 
foreign leaders, as required by law.
    Now, we see Musk deconstructing the Federal Government from the 
inside, in ways the PRC will easily exploit.
    The fox is guarding the henhouse, and we do not know his true 
intentions.
    I hope the Republican Majority will stop willfully ignoring how the 
administration is exacerbating the problems for which they claim to 
have such grave concerns.

    Chairman Gimenez. I am pleased to have a distinguished 
panel of witnesses before us today on this critical topic. I 
ask that our witnesses to please rise and raise their right 
hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you will give 
before the Committee on Homeland Security of the U.S. House of 
Representatives will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing 
but the truth, so help you God?
    Let the record reflect that the witnesses have answered in 
the affirmative. Thank you and please have a seat.
    [Witnesses sworn.]
    Chairman Gimenez. I would now like to formally introduce 
our witnesses. Dr. Isaac Kardon is a senior fellow for China 
Studies at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and an 
adjunct professor at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced 
International Studies. Previously, he was an assistant 
professor at the U.S. Naval War Colleges China Maritime Studies 
Institute.
    Dr. Kardon specializes in China's maritime power, including 
its global port development, overseas military basing, and the 
international law of the sea. He holds a Ph.D. in government 
from Cornell University and an MPhil in modern Chinese studies 
from Oxford and a BA in history from Dartmouth.
    Dr. Matthew Kroenig is vice president and senior director 
of the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security at the 
Atlantic Council. He specializes in U.S. national security 
strategy, strategic competition with China and Russia, and 
nuclear deterrence.
    Dr. Koenig currently serves as tenured professor at 
Georgetown University, and he is also a commissioner on the 
Congressional Commission on the Strategic Posture of the United 
States. Previously, he served in the Department of Defense and 
the intelligence community under the Bush, Obama, and Trump 
administrations. He holds a Ph.D. and an MA in political 
science from the University of California Berkeley and is a 
life member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
    Dr. Ryan Berg is director of the Americas Program and head 
of the Future of Venezuela's Initiative at the Center for 
Strategic and International Studies. Dr. Berg specializes in 
U.S.-Latin American relations, strategic competition, defense 
policy, and transnational organized crime.
    Previously, he was a research fellow at the American 
Enterprise Institute and a visiting fellow at Oxford's Changing 
Character of War Program. He holds a Ph.D., an MPhil in 
political science and an MSC in global governance from Oxford, 
as well as a BA in government and theology from Georgetown.
    Dr. Cary Davis is the president and chief executive officer 
of the American Association of Port Authorities where he also 
serves as general counsel.
    Prior to the AAPA, Mr. Davis served in the Federal 
Government as a Presidential and Congressional appointee for 
international trade and security. He holds a J.D. and a 
Master's degree from the University of Pennsylvania and a B.S. 
from the University of Pittsburgh.
    I thank each of our distinguished witnesses for being here 
today.
    I now recognize Dr. Kardon for 5 minutes to summarize his 
opening statement.

     STATEMENT OF ISAAC B. KARDON, PH.D., SENIOR FELLOW
      FOR CHINA STUDIES, ASIA PROGRAM,  CARNEGIE ENDOW- 
      MENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE,  ADJUNCT PROFESSOR,
      JOHNS HOPKINS SAIS

    Mr. Kardon. Chairman Gimenez, Ranking Member McIver, and 
Members of the subcommittee, thank you for this opportunity to 
testify on Chinese firms' strategic port investments in the 
Western Hemisphere and their implications for homeland 
security.
    Chinese companies have invested in port terminals in 7 
countries in our hemisphere and include 5 terminals in U.S. 
ports. Two Chinese state-owned enterprises, COSCO and China 
Merchants, along with the private conglomerate Hong Kong-based 
CK Hutchison Holdings, are the lead Chinese partner in each of 
these investments.
    Compared to other regions, Chinese firms maintain a 
relatively modest presence in the Americas with investments in 
15 ports of 95 total, which represents 16 percent of their 
overall global port investments.
    In the United States, Chinese firms hold minority stakes in 
terminals at the Ports of Los Angeles, Seattle, Houston, and 
Miami. At Long Beach, COSCO holds a 51 percent stake at Pier J. 
These positions are generally structured as joint ventures with 
American firms, which are generally the lead operators. Beyond 
our borders, Chinese companies made particularly strategic 
investments in Panama, Peru, and Brazil.
    Turning to homeland security implications, I assessed 2 
primary areas of valid concern. First, the potential for 
Chinese military use of these facilities to project power in 
the hemisphere, and second, the exposure of critical maritime 
infrastructure to certain physical and digital vulnerabilities.
    On the military front, Chinese naval presence in our 
hemisphere is relatively modest. The People's Liberation Army 
Navy has conducted only 39 port calls in the Americas over the 
past 27 years. That's out of a total of 413, so about 9 
percent, with no reported calls since the year 2018.
    While Chinese-operated ports can and do support limited 
military operations, observed especially in their regular 
missions in the Indian Ocean region, the correlation of forces 
in this hemisphere overwhelmingly favors the United States.
    For the PLA to mount a direct challenge to America's 
exclusive role in hemispheric security would be a risky and 
counterproductive deviation from Beijing's clear strategic 
imperatives. These will remain anchored in the western Pacific 
and focused on controlling Taiwan for the foreseeable future.
    The more pressing concerns involve vulnerabilities 
introduced by Chinese-made equipment and software embedded in 
port systems. Even facilities not owned or operated by Chinese 
firms often rely on PRC-made technologies--for example, ship-
to-shore cranes.
    Under Beijing's highly-acquisitive data governance regime 
and comparatively high levels of control over PRC firms, these 
systems enable intelligence collection and surveillance and may 
cause delay or disruption to the critical operations of U.S. 
maritime transport systems.
    Four recommendations follow from these findings. First, 
while the presence of Chinese investments and equipment in U.S. 
ports present some material risks, indiscriminate force 
divestiture would do more harm than good. The focus should be 
on implementing stringent and mandatory cybersecurity and other 
security screening and developing viable domestic alternatives 
to technologies and services currently dominated by PRC firms. 
U.S. terminal concessions are less problematic from a national 
security standpoint but should also be scrutinized rigorously.
    Second, the United States must work closely with the 
government of Panama to protect our vital national security 
interests that are concentrated at the Panama Canal. This 
should include helping attract private capital to take over any 
rescinded concessions and to expand and upgrade existing 
facilities.
    Third, rather than trying to symmetrically match China's 
port investments, we should leverage our extensive network of 
capable maritime partners in Asia and Europe in particular to 
compete collectively.
    Finally, Congress should prioritize legislation like the 
SHIPS for America bill proposed in the last Congress to 
coordinate our national maritime strategy, including creating a 
maritime security advisor position to improve strategic 
planning and decision making that integrates economic and 
national security concerns.
    Challenges posed by China's port investments in the 
hemisphere are real but manageable with proper attention and 
coordinated response.
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify and I'll look 
forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Kardon follows:]
    
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    Chairman Gimenez. Thank you, Dr. Kardon.
    I now recognize Dr. Kroenig for 5 minutes to summarize his 
opening statement.

       STATEMENT OF MATTHEW KROENIG, VICE PRESIDENT AND
        SENIOR DIRECTOR,  SCOWCROFT CENTER FOR STRATEGY 
        AND SECURITY, ATLANTIC COUNCIL AND PROFESSOR OF
        GOVERNMENT AND FOREIGN SERVICE, GEORGETOWN UNI- 
        VERSITY

    Mr. Kroenig. Chairman Gimenez, Ranking Member McIver, 
distinguished Members of the committee, thank you for the 
opportunity to testify on the important topic of Chinese 
strategic port investments in the Western Hemisphere and the 
implications for U.S. homeland security.
    I want to assist your work by sharing insights gleaned from 
my more than 2 decades of experience working on U.S. national 
security at the Central Intelligence Agency, Department of 
Defense, the Congressional Commission on the Strategic Posture 
of the United States, and now as a scholar at Georgetown 
University and a vice president at the Atlantic Council.
    My message today is simple. China's port investments in the 
Western Hemisphere pose a serious national security threat to 
the United States and its allies. Washington and regional 
states should work together to decouple from Chinese 
investments in ports and other areas critical to national 
security.
    China poses the greatest contemporary threat to U.S. 
national security. It's a comprehensive challenge with 
economic, technological, diplomatic, ideological, and military 
dimensions. Ultimately, the rivalry concerns the future of 
global order.
    China employees overseas infrastructure investments, 
including in the Western Hemisphere, as part of its grand 
strategy. Countries in the Western Hemisphere are often 
attracted to China's infrastructure investments but they come 
at a cost. Through its investments, China cements access to 
resources, captures elites, gains leverage over governments, 
shifts national policies in its favor, and undermines 
democratic norms in transparency and environmental standards.
    China's investments in ports, including in Peru and Panama, 
pose a number of threats to U.S. homeland security. Chinese-
operated ports are used to facilitate the shipment of fentanyl 
precursors to the United States. China exploits the presence of 
technology and access to data for an intelligence advantage.
    China could restrict or block access to ports threatening 
American trade and economic well-being. In the event of a 
crisis or war, China could hinder the passage of American naval 
vessels undermining American war plans.
    China could also use deep water ports to host naval 
vessels, enabling the projection of military power into the 
Western Hemisphere. As Secretary of State Marco Rubio recently 
and correctly stated, ``The status quo is unacceptable.''
    There are a number of steps the United States should take 
to counter Chinese port investments in the Western Hemisphere 
to protect U.S. and allied security. The United States should 
encourage countries in the Western Hemisphere to adopt a 
derisking approach to China.
    Regional governments do not need to choose between the 
United States and China. They can continue trade with China in 
non-sensitive areas such as agriculture, but U.S. allies and 
partners should pursue a hard decoupling with China in areas of 
sensitive national security concern such as telecommunications, 
advanced technology, ground satellite stations, surveillance 
systems, critical minerals, and critical infrastructure, 
including ports.
    Donald Trump, President Trump has said of the Panama Canal, 
``We gave it to Panama and we're taking it back.'' I applaud 
the Panamanian government's subsequent decision to forego 
renewal of their participation in China's Belt and Road 
Initiative, and Panama should use its current audit of 
operators in the Panama Canal area as an opportunity to sever 
the contracts with Chinese companies and to rebid the contract 
to U.S. or allied companies that will better ensure American 
and Panamanian interest.
    Encouraging regional countries to derisk from China will 
often be doing these countries a favor. Many Latin American 
countries entered into agreements with China years ago under 
previous governments and different geopolitical conditions.
    Today these same countries understand that undue Chinese 
influence in sensitive sectors is not in their interest, but 
they do not have the ability to stand up to China on their own, 
pointing to the United States as the bad cop, and help these 
countries take necessary steps that would be difficult to take 
on their own.
    Washington cannot, however, expect regional countries to 
trade something for nothing. The United States must provide 
credible and affordable alternatives to Chinese infrastructure 
investments. To do this, the United States has a number of 
advantages. We have a number of ways to incentivize our vibrant 
private sector to invest in the region.
    The United States has a robust network of allies and 
partners we can coordinate, European, Japanese, Australian, and 
South Korean efforts to provide aid and alternatives in the 
region.
    Third, the United States and its allies can compete on 
quality when it comes to environmental standards, labor 
standards, technical know-how, and so forth.
    Finally, as the Trump administration looks to increase 
defense spending and debates regional priorities, it should 
boost the budget of U.S. Southern Command and increase SOUTHCOM 
training and exercises with regional partners.
    Appended to this statement is a copy of a strategy to 
counter malign Chinese and Russian influence in Latin America 
and the Caribbean, an Atlantic Council report I co-authored 
last year that explores these issues in greater detail and 
provides actionable recommendations.
    I'm honored that the Committee on Homeland Security has 
invited me to share my views on these challenges, and I look 
forward to taking your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Kroenig follows:]
    
                 Prepared Statement of Matthew Kroenig
                 
                           February 11, 2025
                           
    Chairman Gimenez, Ranking Member McIver, distinguished Members of 
the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify on the 
important topic of Chinese strategic port investments in the Western 
Hemisphere and the implications for U.S. homeland security.
    I want to assist your work by sharing insights gleaned from my more 
than 2 decades of experience working on U.S. national security policy 
at the Central Intelligence Agency, Department of Defense, the 
Congressional Commission on the Strategic Posture of the United States, 
and now as a scholar at Georgetown University, and a vice president at 
the Atlantic Council.
    My message today is simple: China's port investments in the Western 
Hemisphere pose a serious national security threat to the United States 
and its allies and partners in the region. Washington and regional 
states should work together to decouple from Chinese investments in 
ports and other areas critical to national security.
    China poses the greatest contemporary threat to U.S. national 
security. It is a comprehensive challenge with economic, technological, 
diplomatic, ideological, and military dimensions. Ultimately, the 
rivalry concerns the leadership of global order.
    China employs overseas infrastructure investments, including in the 
Western Hemisphere, as part of its grand strategy. Countries in the 
Western Hemisphere are often attracted to China's infrastructure 
investments, but they come at a cost. Through its investments, China 
cements access to resources, captures elites, gains leverage over 
governments, shifts national policies in its favor, and undermines 
democratic norms, and transparency and environmental standards.
    China's investments in ports, including in Peru and Panama, pose a 
number of threats to U.S. homeland security. Chinese-operated ports are 
used to facilitate the shipment of fentanyl precursors to the United 
States. China exploits the presence of technology and access to data 
for an intelligence advantage. China could restrict or block access to 
ports, threatening American trade and economic well-being. In the event 
of a crisis or war, China could hinder the passage of American naval 
vessels, undermining American war plans. China could also use deep 
water ports to host People's Liberation Army Navy vessels, enabling the 
projection of military power into the Western Hemisphere.
    As Secretary of State Marco Rubio correctly stated, this status quo 
is unacceptable. There are a number of steps the United States should 
take to counter Chinese port investments in the Western Hemisphere and 
protect U.S. and allied security, freedom, and prosperity.
    The United States should encourage countries in the Western 
Hemisphere to adopt a de-risking approach to China. Regional 
governments do not need to choose between the United States and China. 
They can continue lucrative trade with China in non-sensitive domains, 
such as agriculture. But U.S. allies and partners should pursue a hard 
decoupling with China in areas of sensitive national security concern, 
such as: telecommunications, advanced technology, ground satellite 
stations, surveillance systems, military and intelligence cooperation, 
critical minerals, and critical infrastructure, including ports.
    President Donald J. Trump said, ``China is operating the Panama 
Canal and we didn't give it to China, we gave it to Panama, and we're 
taking it back.''
    I applaud the Panamanian government's subsequent decision to forgo 
renewal of their participation in China's Belt and Road Initiative 
(BRI). Panama should use its current audit of operators in the Panama 
Canal area as an opportunity to sever the contracts with Chinese 
companies and to re-bid the contract to U.S. or allied companies that 
will better ensure American and Panamanian interests.
    Pressuring regional countries to de-risk from China will often be 
doing these countries a favor. Many Latin American countries entered 
into agreements with China years ago under previous governments, in a 
different geopolitical environment. Today, these same countries now 
understand that undue Chinese influence in sensitive sectors is not in 
their interest, but they do not have the ability to stand up to China 
on their own. Pointing to American pressure, as the ``bad cop,'' can 
help these countries take necessary steps that would be difficult to 
take on their own.
    Washington cannot, however, expect regional countries to trade 
something for nothing.
    The United States must provide credible and affordable alternatives 
to Chinese infrastructure investments. The U.S. Government cannot 
compete with Chinese-subsidized infrastructure investments on price or 
scale, but it has a number of other advantages.
    First, it should incentivize its vibrant private sector to invest 
in the region. Institutions like the International Development Finance 
Corporation and the Export-Import Bank should continue their 
transformation into instruments to advance American interests in this 
new era of great power confrontation.
    Second, the United States should leverage its global network of 
allies and partners for great power competition in the Global South. 
The European Union and U.S. allies in the Indo-Pacific, such as 
Australia, Japan, and South Korea, have world-class technology 
companies, extensive trade relationships in the Western Hemisphere, and 
significant foreign aid programs. To be most effective, however, the 
various activities should be brought together in a coordinated fashion, 
guided by Washington.
    Third, the United States and its allies can compete on quality. 
While Chinese investments are often economically attractive, they come 
with strings attached. The United States and its free world allies can 
outcompete China on free and fair-trade practices, transparency, anti-
corruption, rule of law, technical know-how, and high labor and 
environmental standards.
    Finally, as the Trump administration looks to increase defense 
spending and debates regional priorities, it should boost the budget of 
U.S. Southern Command and increase SOUTHCOM training and exercises with 
regional partners. In the worst-case scenarios, SOUTHCOM must be 
prepared to step in and secure access to ports and open sea lines of 
communication.
    Appended to this statement is a copy of ``A Strategy to Counter 
Malign Chinese and Russian Influence in Latin America and the 
Caribbean,'' an Atlantic Council report I co-authored last year that 
explores these issues in greater detail and provides actionable 
recommendations.*
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content-series/atlantic-council-strategy-paper-series/a-strategy-to-
counter-malign-chinese-and-russian-influence-in-latin-america-and-the-
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    I am honored that the Committee on Homeland Security has invited me 
to share my views on these challenges, and I look forward to taking 
your questions.

    Chairman Gimenez. Thank you, Dr. Kroenig.
    I now recognize Dr. Berg for 5 minutes to summarize his 
opening statements.

        STATEMENT OF RYAN C. BERG, DIRECTOR, AMERICAS PRO- 
         GRAM,  CENTER  FOR  STRATEGIC  AND  INTERNATIONAL
         STUDIES

    Mr. Berg. Chairman Gimenez, Ranking Member McIver, 
distinguished Members of the subcommittee, I'm honored to share 
my views with you this morning on this critical topic.
    Concern about the People's Republic of China advancing in 
the construction, operation, and even the ownership of ports is 
nothing new. What has changed is the geopolitical and economic 
contexts.
    The United States has shaken its post-Cold War stupor. The 
United States is no longer asleep at the switch as strategic 
rivals set down roots in our shared neighborhood. And the 
United States is once again exercising its competitive muscles 
in geographies unaccustomed to this level of U.S. attention.
    According to a recent analysis by the Council on Foreign 
Relations, as well as a China activities dashboard maintained 
by the Florida International University, almost 130 ports 
globally have some degree of PRC ownership or operation.
    One distinctive feature stands out. More than half of 
China's ports sit on major shipping lanes and strategic choke 
points. In the Western Hemisphere this has meant port terminals 
in at least 3 locations in Mexico, the Hutchinson Ports at the 
strategic approaches of the Panama Canal, the recently-opened 
mega port in Chancay Peru, plans for a deep water port in St. 
John's Harbor in Antigua, a 90 percent stake in the Port of 
Paranagua for China Merchants Port Holding Company in Brazil, a 
100 percent stake in the Kingston Freeport Terminal for the 
same company, and designs on a port near Punta Arenas in Chile 
and near the Drake Passage in Argentina.
    The PRC's military-civil fusion strategy creates risks for 
both soft commercial espionage and hard security risks in a 
potential conflict situation. Beijing's national security law 
amounts to a state-mandated espionage while SOUTHCOM has 
highlighted several hard security risks and posture statements 
to this very Congress, radar and GPS jamming, physical 
blockades, and even containerized weapon systems.
    Given the importance of ports in general, the activities 
and global reach of transnational criminal organizations, there 
is also emerging evidence that Chinese-operated and -owned 
ports could also be catalyzers of TCO group activities in 
illicit markets given the PRC's reliance on opacity as a key 
operating principle.
    However, not all Chinese ports are the same. China has 
hundreds of thousands of state-owned enterprises and the ones 
that collaborate with the PLA are mostly well-known and many 
are, in fact, blacklisted by our Government. Those SOEs should 
be the subject of extra focus and scrutiny,
    Mr. Chairman, in my remaining time I'd like to move to some 
policy recommendations. First, I think we need to create a 
methodology for a spectrum of concern regarding Chinese-owned 
and -operated ports. Four criteria would be basic starting 
points for me.
    First, the location of the port both in terms of the 
proximity to the U.S. homeland and its position vis-a-vis key 
maritime trade routes; second, the mode of cooperation between 
China and Latin American host country; third, the relationship 
between the host government and Beijing; and fourth, the 
criticality of a particular port to global trade.
    The second recommendation, I think we need to consider 
leveraging the DFC and other multilateral financial 
institutions to launch a port buyback program in cases where 
the PRC is the owner. In the cases where the PRC is the port 
operator, these institutions may consider supporting a program 
to help countries terminate agreements early and entice more 
transparent operators to bid on concessions that become 
available.
    The United States should also stand up a program to reduce 
Chinese equipment, both software and hardware, at Western 
Hemisphere ports. As I understand it, current U.S. law does not 
permit the systems to foreign ports to extricate Huawei 
equipment, for example, or ZPMC cranes.
    Third, the United States must find a way to make a better 
offer in these select and critical areas. Simply put, we need 
to up our game in commercial diplomacy. We should grow our 
commercial service by 2 to 3 times by recruiting people with a 
decade or more of private-sector experience, including with 
cross-cultural skills in the regions where they'd be working. 
We should bring these individuals in to embassies via direct 
non-foreign service officer test and hiring pipeline. We can 
use IEFA, I believe, to create the recruiting and on-boarding 
process.
    We should also establish a global Belt and Road task force 
as part of the State Department's China House to identify where 
the PRC is bidding on infrastructure projects, critical 
minerals projects, ICT networks, and so on. We must make 
commercial diplomacy a metric for success in every global south 
Ambassador's routine evaluations.
    Fourth, I think we need to maintain overhead imagery 
collection programs on select PRC ports. The United States 
should maintain strong overhead imagery collection on Chinese-
owned and -operated ports in LAC to ensure they do not expand 
or quietly but fundamentally alter their nature. This happened 
in the United Arab Emirates when we caught the Chinese 
expanding to accommodate military vessels, and the PRC was 
forced to cease construction.
    I think with enthusiasm for China's BRI waning in recent 
years and following Panama's courageous decision to end its 
participation in the BRI, the United States has opportunities 
to advance port infrastructure security.
    With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield and look forward to the 
committee's questions.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Berg follows:]
    
                   Prepared Statement of Ryan C. Berg
                   
                       Tuesday, February 11, 2025
                       
    Chairman Gimenez, Ranking Member McIver, and distinguished Members 
of the subcommittee, I am honored to share my views with you on this 
important topic. CSIS does not take policy positions, so the views 
represented in this testimony are my own and not those of my employer. 
In my testimony, I would like to reflect on the soft and hard security 
risks of Chinese port activity in the Western Hemisphere, the way PRC 
ports are rewiring the region's trade routes, the nexus between Chinese 
ports and transnational organized crime, and how we might develop a 
methodology for a spectrum of concern regarding Chinese port activity 
in Latin America.

``[T]he truth of the matter is that the People's Republic of China is 
rapidly filling the vacuum created by the departure of American 
military forces from the isthmus [of Panama] . . . Their presence adds 
to the danger of using the Colon Free Zone to purchase restricted 
technology with dual civilian-military use.''--Dr. Tomas Cabal, 
December 7, 1999 at a hearing of the U.S. House Subcommittee on 
Domestic and International Monetary Policy.\1\
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    \1\ https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-12/08/008r-
120899-idx.html.

    Concern about the Peoples Republic of China (PRC) advancing in the 
construction, operation, and even ownership of ports is nothing new. 
What has changed is the geopolitical and economic contexts. The United 
States has shaken its post-Cold War stupor. Policy makers are no longer 
asleep at the switch as strategic rivals set down roots in our shared 
neighborhood. And the United States is once again exercising its 
competitive impulses in geographies unaccustomed to this level of U.S. 
attention.
    The rise of Xi Jinping changed everything for competition with the 
PRC in the Western Hemisphere. Not only does Xi tend to securitize all 
aspects of the U.S.-China competition, but he also hardened the 
consensus against the United States as he played to nationalism 
domestically. Two thousand fifteen was a watershed year for 
competition, as it saw the PRC pass its infamous National Security Law. 
In 2020, the PRC absorbed Hong Kong and passed an analogous 2020 Hong 
Kong Security Law. This ``changed the equation for Chinese companies 
abroad,'' according to a former senior official on the Trump 
administration's national security council for the Western 
Hemisphere.\2\ In the best of times, distinctions between private and 
state-owned firms are matters of degree in a communist regime; however, 
these laws require that Chinese and Hong Kong companies gather 
information on foreign entities and provide that data upon request to 
the Chinese Communist Party--tantamount to state-mandated espionage.
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    \2\ https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/01/panama-trump-
confrontation-war-00201759.
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    Within this context, growing PRC involvement in maritime ports in 
Latin America and the Caribbean (LAC) presents a serious challenge to 
U.S. maritime supremacy, freedom of navigation, data security, and 
supply chain security.

                           regional panorama

    According to a recent analysis by the Council on Foreign Relations, 
almost 130 ports globally have some degree of PRC ownership.\3\ Between 
2010 and 2019, Chinese companies ploughed $11 billion into overseas 
ports.\4\ In roughly the same time period, the Chinese state subsidized 
its shipping companies to the tune of over $130 billion.\5\ Almost half 
of the leading container ports outside of China have some Chinese 
ownership or operations.\6\ One distinctive feature: more than half of 
China's ports tend to sit on major shipping lanes and strategic 
chokepoints.\7\
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    \3\ https://www.cfr.org/tracker/china-overseas-ports.
    \4\ https://chinapower.csis.org/china-ports-connectivity/
#:?:text=Learn%20more%20about%20- 
the%20BRI,ports%20between%202010%20and%202019.
    \5\ https://www.csis.org/analysis/hidden-harbors-chinas-state-
backed-shipping-industry.
    \6\ https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/chinas-port-power.
    \7\ https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/6/article/855437/pdf.
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    In the Western Hemisphere, this has meant port terminals in at 
least 3 locations in Mexico; the Hutchison Ports in the Panama Canal; a 
recently-opened megaport in Chancay, Peru; plans for a deepwater port 
in St. John's Harbor, Antigua, and Barbuda; and, designs on a port near 
Punta Arenas in Chile and near the Drake Passage in Argentina.
    Chinese state-owned enterprises and black-listed companies often 
lead the way in construction, operation, and ownership of maritime 
ports in LAC. For instance, COSCO Shipping is a state-owned shipping 
and services provider that has a 60% ownership stake in the Chancay 
megaport in Peru. COSCO will also be the exclusive operator of the 
port, thanks to changes it forced into Peruvian law during port 
construction. When fully operational, Chancay's 4 berths and massive 
capacity will make it the largest port by 20-foot equivalent units 
(TEUs) in Latin America.\8\
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at-the-centre-of-sino-peruvian-relations/.
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    Further south and on the Atlantic Coast, PRC state-owned entity 
China Merchants Port Holding Company owns 90% of the Port of Paranagua, 
the second-largest port in terms of handling, and also operates it.\9\ 
In the Panama Canal, Panama Ports Company, a subsidiary of Hong Kong-
based company Hutchison Holdings, has operated 2 ports at the strategic 
approaches of the canal--Balboa on the Pacific side and Cristobal on 
the Atlantic side--since 1997. Within the Caribbean, China Merchants 
Port has also acquired a 100% stake in the Kingston Freeport Terminal 
while the PRC has made steady advances on the island of Antigua. 
Finally, last November, the opening of the new megaport of Chancay in 
Peru drew attention to the PRC's advance in the commercial and 
potential military domains in South America.
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buys-control-of-brazils-most-profitable-port-idUSKCN1BF03B/.
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                     military-civil fusion strategy
                     
    Beyond the 2015 and 2020 National Security Laws, the strategic and 
security concerns of Chinese activity in LAC ports has been exacerbated 
by China's military-civil fushion strategy. At its base, military-civil 
fushion seeks to build the PRC into an economic, technological, and 
military superpower through blending and integrating military and 
civil, defense, and commercial, enterprises. In other words, the PRC 
has tied its economic development and increasing engagement with the 
outside world to its military modernization efforts.\10\ Military-civil 
fushion has witnessed the PRC leverage talent in research and 
development with military goals.
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conception-civil-military-collaboration.
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    First referenced as a guiding principle in former Chinese leader Hu 
Jintao's report to the 17th Party Congress in 2007, military-civil 
fushion has evolved from an integration approach to an official PRC 
military strategy in 2015.\11\ As a major state strategy, military-
civil fushion sits alongside other key drivers, such as the Made in 
China 2025 and Next Generation Artificial Intelligence plans. The 
United States Department of State says that military-civil fushion is 
applied most vigorously to dual-use and advanced technologies, such as 
quantum computing, big data, semiconductors, 5G, advanced nuclear and 
aerospace technologies, and artificial intelligence.\12\
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    Beijing has been known to deploy a range of methods to advance 
military-civil fushion, including talent recruitment programs, forced 
technology transfer, intelligence gathering, and theft. In 2021, the 
United States Department of Defense created a list of ``Chinese 
military companies'' operating directly or indirectly in the United 
States, which was last updated in early January with 134 companies.\13\
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    Furthermore, China's military-civil fushion strategy provides 
Beijing with an extensive logistical network to project its naval power 
globally.\14\ PRC-operated ports exemplify China's goal of leveraging 
economic investment as an anchor to support military engagement. The 
PRC's dual-use facilities can support both commercial and military 
operations, from enabling military logistics and intelligence gathering 
in peacetime, to potentially facilitating naval operations in 
wartime.\15\
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    \14\ https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/cosco-shipping-hidden-
force-behind-chinas-navy/.
    \15\ https://www.voanews.com/a/us-analysts-beijing-mixing-military-
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                           what's in a port?
                           
    Ports involve much more than meets the eye. There are several 
strategic challenges presented by PRC activity in LAC ports: 
intelligence gathering and the potential for sabotage and adversarial 
military use.\16\
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Commercial espionage with military implications
    Under President Xi Jinping, the PRC has displayed an increasing 
interest in ensuring the activities of the private sector and state-
owned companies serve the interests of the state. There are perhaps few 
examples that are better than ports, where the PRC is honing an ability 
to weaponize some of the world's most sensitive commercial information. 
The full extent of the PRC's information-gathering campaign is not 
known. The more rocks investigators turn over, however, the more they 
seem to find.
    Beyond the requirement for Chinese companies operating overseas to 
gather and report information on foreign entities, PRC companies 
dominate the logistics software often used at ports. LOGINK is a 
Chinese logistics software that stores information such as maritime 
information, customs information, geolocation, regulatory filings, 
trade information, and booking data--in short, a treasure trove of 
data.\17\ Given the 2015 National Security law, as one columnist puts 
it, ``for Chinese firms, theft of your data is now a legal 
requirement.''\18\
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    \17\ https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/2022-09/LOGINK-
Risks_from_Chinas_Pro- 
motion_of_a_Global_Logistics_Management_Platform.pdf.
    \18\ https://thehill.com/opinion/cybersecurity/532583-for-chinese-
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    Even non-PRC ports can present threats if they feature Chinese 
equipment to move and scan commercial freight, for instance. In other 
words, the PRC can engage in commercial espionage even at those ports 
where only its equipment is present. Something as benign as the ZPMC 
ship-to-shore cranes moving containers are likely a tool for Chinese 
commercial espionage.\19\ In a world where acute supply chain 
vulnerabilities are both commercial and defense concerns, Beijing's 
capabilities, even short of operating or owning a port, is a huge cause 
for concern. As two defense analysts have concluded: ``With virtually 
all the world's seaborne goods passing through or near Chinese 
infrastructure, Beijing could easily leverage the information it 
accesses in order to selectively seize critical goods, such as 
medicines; divert or delay military components; or let essential 
supplies just sit in storage--no naval deployments needed.''\20\
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    \19\ https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/pentagon-sees-
giant-cargo-cranes-as-possible-chinese-spying-tools-887c4ade.
    \20\ https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/20/china-shipping-maritime-
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    While the PRC is frantically collecting data on foreign ships and 
nations, it has blocked its own ships from sharing that data with other 
countries.\21\ This mirrors the country's behavior in other commercial 
domains: increase others' dependence on it while reducing its own 
dependence on others.
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    Beyond commercial espionage concerns, PRC operated and owned ports 
are busy rewiring much of LAC's trade routes that will frustrate U.S. 
efforts to build safer and more secure supply chains in the future. 
Individual PRC ports intend to bolster China's competition in specific 
areas, such as ports that have been constructed principally or 
primarily to ship raw materials and critical minerals directly to 
mainland China.
Hard security risks and potential conflict with PRC
    Within the various domains of warfare--land, sea, air, space, cyber 
space--port operation and ownership is critical to advancing the PRC's 
goals in the sea domain. Ports have long been key to controlling the 
world's waters, and control of the world's maritime routes has always 
been the key to global power. Sir Walter Raleigh famously said: ``For 
whosoever commands the sea commands the trade; whosoever commands the 
trade of the world commands the riches of the world, and consequently 
the world itself.'' The Chinese are following a well-worn path: the 
United Kingdom's rise to global power coincided with the rise of its 
naval and maritime power; even more prominently, so did the United 
States'.
    Chinese-operated and -owned ports host People's Liberation Army 
Navy vessels routinely. They also serve to reliably resupply and repair 
navy vessels during port calls. According to a global report by the 
group Maritime Executive, ``a third of ports in which China made 
economic investments have hosted and also resupplied military vessels 
of the People's Liberation Army Navy.''\22\ As a rising revisionist 
power challenging the current global order, the PRC's maritime strategy 
revolves around a seemingly innocuous web of port operations that can 
reliably serve multiple uses in multiple contexts. It is imperative to 
understand that the PRC does not conceive of ``inter-operability'' in 
the same way as the United States; rather, the PRC understands ``inter-
operability'' in terms of reliability in times of crisis. Port 
infrastructure is yet another form of under-the-radar, yet novel state 
power projection capability.\23\
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your-port.
    \23\ https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article-abstract/46/4/9/111175/
Pier-Competitor-China-s-Power-Position-in-
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    Southern Command has repeatedly highlighted several other areas of 
concern in its yearly posture statements to the U.S. Congress. SOUTHCOM 
has noted how PRC port facilities can engage in electronic or cyber 
attacks, Global Positioning System jamming, or even physical attacks 
from containerized anti-ship weapons systems.\24\ In a contingency 
situation, such disruptions could translate to significant 
vulnerabilities. For instance, last year, the U.S. House Select 
Committee on Strategic Competition between the United States and the 
Chinese Communist Party validated the idea that Hutchison's operations 
in the Panama Canal could delay military assistance to Taiwan.\25\
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    \25\ https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3262984/management-
panama-canal-ports-hong-kong-firm-poses-risks-us-house-panel-hears.
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    The PRC's maritime network is crucial to its strategy for global 
power projection. The United States should not expect the PRC to 
develop a similar network of naval bases around the world for power 
projection. Instead, Beijing intends to become a ``pier competitor'' by 
setting up a string of dual-use ports that can serve as an extensive 
international network of infrastructure for People's Liberation Army 
vessels.\26\
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                   chinese ports and organized crime
                   
    Do LAC's criminal organizations prefer PRC-operated and -owned 
ports? While the answer to this question is not yet settled, initial 
indications demonstrate that LAC's criminal organizations may prefer 
Chinese-operated and -owned ports for their opacity and the volume of 
transpacific trade they handle. China is often the market for many of 
LAC's illicit goods, such as illegal wildlife, gold mining, and timber 
trafficking.\27\ The PRC often insists on opacity and lack of 
accountability in many of its infrastructure investments in LAC.\28\ As 
one scholar summarizes: ``Bribes and corruption, in addition to 
coercion, are at the heart of any criminal organization seeking to 
exploit transportation or logistics facilities, including ports. This 
can involve paying a Customs official to overlook violations or a crane 
operator to load a specific container onto a truck driven by someone 
associated with a criminal organization, accepting or falsifying bills 
of lading, or ensuring that no one questions discrepancies in the 
information on manifests.''\29\
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democracys-secret-weapon-to-counter-china/.
    \28\ https://www.foreignaffairs.com/china/how-china-exports-
secrecy.
    \29\ https://www.csis.org/analysis/are-chinese-ports-latin-america-
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    The potential for organized crime to exploit PRC-operated and -
owned ports is made easier when ports are vertically operated and one 
company has control over all the functions of the port. In the case of 
COSCO Shipping in Chancay, Peru, the state-owned company has control 
over activities on the quayside, stacking containers, inspecting 
containers, port security, and other functions. Meanwhile, several 
investigative NGO's have documented the involvement of Chinese ports in 
illegal wildlife trafficking.\30\ Furthermore, illegal, unreported, and 
unregulated (IUU) fishing, committed often by the PRC, which has the 
largest fishing fleet in the world--a consequence of heavy state 
subsidies--often relies on Chinese-operated and -owned ports to ensure 
that illegal catch can make it ashore, become layered into legal fish 
stocks, and avoid the Agreement on Port state Measures intended to 
reduce IUU fishing. Even though China is not a signatory to the 
agreement, the document aims to bolster the capacity of developing 
countries to inspect cargo and flag catches that are the product of IUU 
fishing.\31\ Leveraging Chinese-operated and -owned ports can obviate 
the risks involved with IUU fishing. Last, in a detailed, 4-part 
investigation for Reuters, journalists uncovered how Chinese-made 
fentanyl precursors transit Chinese port terminals in Mexico's Lazaro 
Cardenas, Manzanillo, and Ensenada ports. In the investigation, 
criminal groups bragged about the ease with which they bribed port 
officials and ensured shipments of fentanyl precursors reliably entered 
Mexico through Chinese port terminals.\32\
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04/ELI-Operation-STELLA-MARIS-Investigative-Report-22-April-2024-1.pdf.
    \31\ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/10/30/chinas-hunger-for-
seafood-is-now-latin-americas-problem/.
    \32\ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/drugs-
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                      toward a spectrum of concern
                      
    Not all ports are alike. Chinese activity in LAC ports varies 
widely, leading to divergent risks throughout the region. It is 
imperative that policy makers ruminate on a set of characteristics that 
can rank the threat of individual ports to national security and 
American interests. The following 4 criteria offer 1 initial rubric to 
evaluate the risks of a given port project and thereby better calibrate 
a U.S. response.
    The first criterion is location, both in terms of the proximity of 
a port to the U.S. mainland and its position vis-a-vis key maritime 
trade routes. The closer a port is to the United States, the greater 
potential it holds as a hub for intelligence gathering and potentially 
as a staging ground for covert action against U.S. interests. For this 
reason, PRC-owned and operated ports in Mexico, Central America, and 
the Caribbean basin present some of the most important and immediate 
challenges. However, proximity to the continental United States is not 
the only way in which strategically-located ports can offer China a 
possible asymmetric advantage in competition with the United States. By 
controlling key maritime choke points, the PRC can exercise influence 
on the flow of international trade.\33\ For this reason, the PRC's 
presence, through Hutchison Port Holdings' operation of the ports of 
Balboa and Cristobal in Panama, has been the subject of much 
consternation in recent years. Further south, China has also sought to 
make inroads along Cape Horn, which controls the Drake Passage from 
Atlantic to Pacific as well as access to Antarctica.\34\
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interoceanic-passages/main-maritime-shipping-routes/.
    \34\ https://americasquarterly.org/article/why-the-u-s-and-china-
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    The second criterion is the mode of cooperation between China and 
the host country. Projects like the Port of Chancay in Peru, where a 
Chinese state-owned enterprise not only builds, but maintains an 
ownership stake and operational control over the port, should rank 
highest in this assessment, followed by ports where a PRC company has 
control over day-to-day activity. According to research by the Center 
for Strategic and International Studies, there are at least 14 ports in 
LAC where Chinese companies have either acquired a port in whole or in 
part, or possess a lease granting them operational control. By 
contrast, PRC companies have assisted with construction efforts in 18 
ports throughout LAC. Contract construction is a less serious form of 
influence but nevertheless grants the PRC familiarity with a port and 
its infrastructure, as well as the ability to install preferred 
equipment and capabilities. This can translate to durable influence, 
particularly in the port technology space. For instance, while the 
planned expansion of the Colon Container Terminal in Panama by the 
Landbridge Group was canceled in 2023, Chinese security cameras 
installed as part of the project remain in place to this day.\35\
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    A third criterion is the relationship between the host government 
and Beijing. In general, the PRC cannot leverage LAC ports for military 
purposes without the approval of the host government, limiting the 
wartime utility of civilian ports. If, however, a port is located in a 
country which already has an adversarial relationship with the United 
States, this political hurdle becomes far easier to clear. Thus, 
special attention should be paid to port projects in the Western 
Hemisphere's 3 consolidated, anti-U.S. dictatorships--Cuba, Nicaragua, 
and Venezuela. Chinese companies have already assisted with 3 port 
construction projects in Cuba, including the modernization of the port 
of Santiago de Cuba, as well as 2 in Venezuela.\36\ The United States 
should remain vigilant for any proposed initiatives in these countries 
that could offer a permissive environment for the PLAN to operate.
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    Finally, the fourth criterion is the criticality of a particular 
port to global trade. The more that commerce passes through a given PRC 
port facility, the greater potential for information gathering and 
influence. In 2023, the ports of Manzanillo and Lazaro Cardenas in 
Mexico, operated by Hutchison, ranked third and eighth respectively in 
LAC by throughput, while Hutchison's 2 ports along the Panama Canal, 
when combined, would fall between fifth and sixth.\37\ The new port of 
Chancay currently ranks lower in this standing, but if plans 
materialize to expand its capacity to move up to 3.5 million 20-foot 
equivalent units (TEUs), these numbers could catapult it to the third- 
or fourth-place spot. The more China is able to exercise influence over 
major nodes of commerce, the more it helps to rewire global commerce 
toward Beijing--and concomitantly, away from the United States. In 
times of conflict or crisis, this could also increase China's ability 
to maintain access to the raw commodities, particularly minerals and 
foodstuffs, it imports from LAC, helping further insulate the PRC from 
economic pressure.\38\
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ports-and-container-terminals-the-seesaw-game/.
    \38\ https://cimsec.org/to-prepare-for-pacific-war-by-2027-the-
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                            recommendations
                            
    With enthusiasm for China's BRI waning in recent years, and 
following Panama's courageous decision to end its participation in BRI, 
the United States has several opportunities to advance maritime 
security and port infrastructure security. The United States must find 
a way to make a better offer to LAC.\39\
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    Yet, the United States cannot do this alone; it must rely on its 
partners and the multilateral financial banks to help ease the burden 
of responding to China's growing presence in LAC's port systems.\40\ 
Countries such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Netherlands, and 
Australia are key partners in this endeavor.
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    Conduct a study to review LAC port security.--Similar to the Biden 
administration's supply chain review meant to identify vulnerabilities 
in key supply chains, a study could identify data the PRC has access to 
and the intelligence and surveillance each of its LAC ports permits it. 
A mandated study would also force policy makers to develop their own 
methodology for a spectrum of concern. Relatedly, a study that 
identifies the ports of greatest concern could then recommend law 
enforcement cooperation with local authorities to target the potential 
criminal use of PRC ports and improve transparency at PRC port 
facilities.
    Insist on greater transparency in tenders, contracts, and 
operations.--The PRC excels at operating in opaque areas. LAC 
governments, too, have an incentive to reveal little about PRC port 
operations in their countries, and with greater PRC interest, tenders 
and contracts often fail to meet high standards. In LAC, the United 
States could select 1 or 2 ports to reform and ensure best practices. 
If reform is significant enough, Western companies will be more 
interested in operating LAC ports. This will require the United States 
to be more nimble and aware of opportunities when they present 
themselves. For instance, the United States was asleep at the switch 
when the Hutchison subsidiary Panama Ports Company received a 25-year 
no-bid renewal of its 2 port concessions.\41\ Washington ``literally 
zoned out.''\42\ Likewise, the United States failed to help Peru push 
back against the PRC regarding the operation and ownership of the 
Chancay megaport by Cosco Shipping. The PRC insisted upon these terms 
even though the Peruvians found an ``administration error'' that 
contravened the country's domestic law.\43\ Rather than help Peru 
wiggle out of the contract with legal assistance, the United States 
stood by while Peru actively changed its domestic law to permit an 
arrangement that was previously illegal.
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panama-canal.
    \42\ https://www.csis.org/analysis/panama-zoned-out-strategic-
opportunity.
    \43\ https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/05/13/peru-learns-to-read-the-
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    Maintain overhead imagery collection programs on select PRC 
ports.--The United States should maintain strong overhead imagery 
collection on Chinese-owned and -operated ports in LAC to ensure they 
do not expand or quietly but fundamentally alter their nature. When a 
commercial port in the United Arab Emirates was caught expanding to 
accommodate military vessels, the PRC was forced to cease constrution. 
When this happens, the United States should leverage occasional public 
releases of classified intelligence to pressure local governments and 
the PRC alike to abide by contract terms.\44\ Imagery collection is 
also imperative for fighting organized crime and the nexus of 
transnational organized crime to Chinese ports. The appendix at the end 
of this document provides one example of how commercial satellite 
imagery might be used in such a way.
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    Leverage DFC and multilateral financial institutions to launch a 
port buyback program.--The United States should leverage the U.S. 
International Development Finance Corporation (DFC) and multilateral 
financial institutions to engage in port buyback programs where the PRC 
is the owner. In the cases where the PRC is the port operator, these 
institutions may consider supporting a program to help countries 
terminate agreements early and entice more transparent operators to bid 
on concessions. This would constitute an offensive equivalent to 
leveraging partners to ensure competitive bids against the PRC when LAC 
countries announce a bidding process for port construction. Similarly, 
short of buying out PRC owners, the United States should stand up a 
program to reduce Chinese equipment--both software and hardware--at LAC 
ports. Current U.S. law does not permit assistance to foreign ports to 
extricate Huawei equipment or ZPMC cranes, for instance. Another 
approach could leverage economic incentives to move away from Chinese 
equipment at LAC ports that exacerbate U.S. vulnerabilities.\45\
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             Appendix: Selected Imagery of PRC-Owned Ports
             
    The below appendix contains images of relevant PRC port projects in 
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    Chairman Gimenez. Thank you, Dr. Berg.
    I recognize Mr. Davis for 5 minutes to summarize his 
opening statements.

      STATEMENT OF CARY DAVIS, PRESIDENT & CEO, AMERICAN 
            ASSOCIATION OF PORT AUTHORITIES (AAPA)

    Mr. Davis. Good morning, Chairman Gimenez, Ranking Member 
McIver, and distinguished Members of the subcommittee, thank 
you for the opportunity he testified today on critical issues 
for United States' ports and our national security. Let me just 
thank you for your bipartisan efforts to counter fentanyl. My 
best friend Sam died from an accidental overdose about 5 years 
ago, and I think of him every single day.
    As the president and CEO of the American Association of 
Port Authorities, the unified voice of the U.S. port industry 
for the last 113 years, I'm honored to testify here. According 
to a recently-released economic contribution report from former 
CBO economists, our ports are responsible for $2.9 trillion in 
economic activity and 22 million American jobs, or more than 1 
out of every 8 jobs in our Nation's work force.
    China is investing in global port infrastructure exactly 
because it recognizes the profound economic and geopolitical 
advantages that critical trade gateways provide. There's been 
concern about Chinese companies at 5 terminals.
    As this committee's Majority report highlights, we are 
talking about minority stakes in a handful of lease terminals 
and all tenants at U.S. ports must comply with laws, 
regulations, and oversight from all levels of government. 
Everyone knows we want the highest standard of security at our 
critical infrastructure.
    The funding enacted through the bipartisan infrastructure 
law was historic, designating $450 million annually from fiscal 
years 2022 to 2026 for the Port Infrastructure Development 
Program, or PIDP. This critical funding is oversubscribed by 4 
times.
    Unfortunately, even at the height of Federal port funding 
here in the United States, we lag in comparison to China which 
spends well over double the U.S. in port investment. We also 
need to increase direct investments such as the Port Security 
Grant Program, which is authorized by this committee, however, 
it has unfortunately not been fully appropriated to its 
authorized level of $400 million in over a decade.
    Another way to secure American ports is to manufacture 
cargo handling equipment, which China heavily subsidizes. While 
it would take years to stand up production lines, near-term 
Congress can permit friend-shoring with trusted allies to 
ensure U.S. ports have access to secure, reliable, and modern 
equipment while reducing reliance on China.
    AAPA recently brought American ports, terminal operators, 
equipment manufacturers, Government officials, and other 
stakeholders literally to the same table to discuss how to make 
American-made cargo handling equipment a reality. AAPA is going 
to continue leading this discussion when we host another 
meeting here in March in Washington, DC, and we invite Members 
of this committee to join us.
    To incentivize procurement from our allies we can 
streamline the waiver process for Build America Buy America 
provisions. Last year Members of this subcommittee recommended 
these waivers, as well as incentives for domestic 
manufacturing. Bravo Zulu, as we say in the maritime industry.
    A major hindrance to growth, resilience, and modernization 
of ports is tariffs. Tariffs are attacks on American businesses 
and households. AAPA believes that expanding our Nation's 
presence in ports of allied countries is also critical to 
revitalize America's strategic maritime posture. AAPA has 
collaborated with the U.S. State Department to set up sister 
port partnerships in the Middle East, North Africa, and Latin 
America, and we facilitate other work between the U.S. 
Government and LATAM and Caribbean ports.
    The bottom line today is that the United States continually 
regulates Chinese investment in ports. CFIUS is the primary 
mechanism for reviewing and mitigating any risks from foreign 
ownership or investment on top of our industry's work with many 
other Federal agencies.
    Our port industry believes the best counter to Chinese 
influence, especially at ports in our hemisphere, is strong 
leadership by the United States through strategic port 
investment. We must strive to keep our port infrastructure 
modern and globally competitive.
    Chairman Gimenez, Ranking Member McIver, and Members of the 
subcommittee, thank you for your time, attention, and 
leadership when it comes to U.S. ports. I'm looking forward to 
your questions. Thank you very much.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Davis follows:] 
    
                    Prepared Statement of Cary Davis
                    
                       Tuesday, February 11, 2025
                       
    Chairman Gimenez, Ranking Member McIver, and distinguished Members 
of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to testify today on 
critical issues for United States ports and our national security.
    Before I start, I would like to thank the committee for their 
bipartisan efforts to counter the flood of fentanyl, a substance that 
took the life of a dear friend of mine, Sam Spitz.
    As the president & CEO of the American Association of Port 
Authorities (AAPA), the unified voice of the U.S. port industry for the 
last 113 years, I am honored to testify here. This is a special moment, 
since my former boss, former Congressman Dan Donovan, a man who I 
deeply admire, chaired another Homeland Security subcommittee.
    According to a recently-released economic contributions report from 
former CBO economists, our ports are responsible for $2.89 trillion in 
economic activity and 21.8 million American jobs, or more than 1 out of 
every 8 jobs in our Nation's workforce.
    Further, America's ports make trade possible, and they depend upon 
the support of the Federal Government and Congressional committees like 
this one. I would like to emphasize today that China is investing in 
global port infrastructure because it recognizes the profound economic 
and geopolitical advantages that critical trade gateways provide.
    The port industry believes that the best counter to growing Chinese 
influence, especially at ports in our hemisphere, is strong leadership 
by the United States through strategic port infrastructure investment. 
Investing in port infrastructure enhances economic growth and national 
security. The U.S. Committee on the Marine Transportation System (CMTS) 
found that maritime infrastructure investment holds the potential to 
produce returns of $2 to $3 for every $1 spent. If we want to counter 
Chinese influence at ports and secure a safe and prosperous economic 
future, we must provide a strong, attractive alternative through robust 
American investment.
    We must strive to keep our port infrastructure modern and globally 
competitive. The funding enacted through the Bipartisan Infrastructure 
Law was historic, designating $450 million annually from fiscal year 
2022-2026 for the Port Infrastructure Development Program (PIDP). This 
is significantly higher than previous annual funding levels for the 
grant program. However, total Federal spending on water transportation 
remains around $4.5 billion, while State and local governments 
contribute around $6 billion annually to support the sector.
    In recent years, AAPA ports also identified $32.03 billion for 
landside infrastructure needs, which has continued to rise. Another 
example of this disparity in funding is the list of applicants and 
grantees for PIDP, a discretionary grant program administered by U.S. 
Department of Transportation Maritime Administration that awards grants 
on a competitive basis to projects that improve safety, efficiency, and 
reliability of the movement of goods surrounding ports. This list shows 
that from 2019-2024, our ports requested over $12 billion in funding 
from the program, with only about $500 million allocated per year, 
meaning for every dollar awarded, ports requested $4.50. That's an 
oversubscription rate of more than 4 to 1. Unfortunately, even at the 
height of Federal port funding, the United States lags in comparison to 
China which (based on publicly available information) spends well over 
double the United States in port investment. AAPA is currently 
researching this disparity and expects to share more in the coming 
months.
    We also need to increase direct investments such as the Port 
Security Grant Program (PSGP). The PSGP is authorized by this 
committee; however, it has unfortunately not been fully appropriated to 
its authorized level of $400 million in well over a decade. This 
program is how we turn security concerns into actionable investments in 
resiliency. Yet, ports typically receive less than half of the Program, 
with the balance going to municipal police departments.
    Another potential avenue for investment in American ports is 
through policies to manufacture and procure cargo handling equipment 
(CHE). Currently, China has an outsized market share of the world's 
port CHE because their government heavily subsidizes the industry, 
allowing them to sell equipment at a much lower rate than competitors. 
If Congress wishes to reverse this trend, we recommend implementing 
policies such as a qualified tax credit for U.S.-made CHE, which AAPA 
supports in collaboration with manufacturers. We recently brought 
American ports, terminal operators, equipment manufacturers, Government 
officials, and other key stakeholders to the table to discuss how to 
make American-made CHE a reality. Our organization will continue 
leading this timely discussion when we host another meeting this spring 
and encourage Members of this committee to join.
    While it would take years to stand up a domestic manufacturing base 
for the largest port equipment, in the near term, Congress can 
incentivize friend-shoring with trusted allies to ensure that U.S. 
ports have access to secure, reliable, and modern equipment, while 
reducing reliance on single-source manufacturing. To incentivize 
procurement from our allies, we can easily streamline the waiver 
process for Build America, Buy American (BABA) provisions, ensuring 
that port infrastructure projects can proceed efficiently. Last year, 
Members of this subcommittee published a report in conjunction with the 
Joint China-Select committee which recommended these BABA waivers and 
incentives for domestic manufacturing.
    Another major hindrance to the growth, resilience, and 
modernization of ports are tariffs. Tariffs are a tax on American 
consumers that increase costs for businesses and individuals alike. 
They also reduce the efficiencies and wealth gained from trade and 
lower overall economic growth. America is a superpower because of free 
trade.
    For ports specifically, tariffs lower cargo volume and throughput, 
which directly impacts a port's ability to raise capital for 
modernization, expansion, and employment, while also hampering their 
competitiveness in the global marketplace. Additionally, a reduction in 
port activity threatens thousands of American jobs tied to maritime 
commerce, further straining local and regional economies. A forward-
thinking trade policy that minimizes unnecessary tariffs will ensure 
the continued vitality of U.S. ports and support economic prosperity 
across multiple industries.
    While AAPA only advocates on behalf of U.S. port authorities, we 
believe that expanding our Nation's investment in ports of allied 
countries is also critical to revitalize America's strategic maritime 
posture. Through programs such as the Sister Port Initiative at the 
Department of State, we can strengthen economic ties with Latin America 
and other regions, ensuring that American businesses benefit from 
efficient and cooperative trade. AAPA has collaborated with the State 
Department to set up 2 sister port partnerships in the past year to 
help foreign ports learn best practices from their American 
counterparts, and we look forward to continuing to participate in this 
program. We also continue to work closely with Latin American port 
authorities to promote shared economic growth and security, reinforcing 
U.S. influence in the hemisphere.
    Chinese investment in U.S. ports is already closely controlled 
through robust regulatory frameworks, ensuring that any foreign 
investment in critical infrastructure does not pose national security 
threats. The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States 
(CFIUS) is the primary mechanism for reviewing and mitigating any risks 
associated with foreign ownership or investment. CFIUS closely examines 
each individual investment to evaluate if it aligns with U.S. national 
security interests, which is a more precise approach than any blanket 
bans. Our current laws provide stringent oversight and protective 
measures to prevent exploitation or undue foreign influence.
    Finally, the Coast Guard--one of many agencies overseeing and 
regulating ports--recently released several relevant regulations 
enhancing cybersecurity at ports. These include physical access 
safeguards on CHE sourced from China (MARSEC 105.5), restrictions on 
the operating systems they can run (Logink, which no U.S. ports use), 
and updated cybersecurity requirements (Cybersecurity in the Marine 
Transportation System). Additionally, ports are subjected to 
duplicative cyber incident reporting requirements, reporting to both 
the Coast Guard and CISA (CIRCIA).
    While maintaining the highest standard of security, it is important 
to recognize that discussions about Chinese investment in U.S. port 
terminals are properly contextualized. We are talking about minority 
stakes in a handful of individually leased terminals, not entire ports. 
A single port often consists of multiple terminals, each with separate 
operations and oversight.
    Chairman Gimenez, Ranking Member McIver, and Members of the 
subcommittee, thank you for your time and attention on our Nation's 
ports and maritime industry. America's ports are vital to our national 
security, economic stability, and global trade. By making wise 
investments and leveraging our existing regulatory safeguards, we can, 
together, continue to ensure that our Nation's ports remain 
competitive, keep America safe and secure, and realize a more 
prosperous and growing future for our Nation and her people.
    I look forward to your questions and working with this committee to 
advance policies that support America's ports. Thank you.

    Chairman Gimenez. Thank you, Mr. Davis, and I am sorry for 
your loss. By the way, for those who don't know, if you died of 
overdose of fentanyl, 97 percent of the precursor chemicals 
that create fentanyl are manufactured in China. Even worse than 
that, those precursor chemicals are actually illegal to sell in 
China and yet the Chinese Communist Party actually incentivizes 
companies to produce them for export.
    They have no other use, by the way. It is just for 
fentanyl, so it was something done by the Chinese Communist 
Party on purpose to kill, basically, American lives.
    That is why you know when they asked why I am so, you know, 
so hawkish on China and, you know, think they are greatest 
threat, this is an example of why I think that they are our 
greatest threat. They did it on purpose and for no other reason 
for I guess to harm us and also to make money.
    I now recognize myself for 5 minutes for opening statements 
or for opening questions.
    Mr. Kroenig, you mentioned the presence of China and the 
Chinese-controlled ports on both sides of the Panama Canal. How 
does that pose a threat to the United States?
    Mr. Kroenig. Well, I think it poses a number of challenges. 
One to the topic we just discussed, China is shipping fentanyl 
precursors through the Panama Canal. Second, by operating the 
ports there, including with surveillance technology, Chinese 
surveillance technology, they're using that to collect 
information that's going back to Beijing.
    It may not be Classified information but it's sensitive 
that China could use to exploit for an intelligence advantage. 
China could seek to hinder trade through the canal, which would 
have negative economic consequences for America's well-being.
    Then----
    Chairman Gimenez. How could they do that? How could they 
hinder trade? How can they stop it? I mean, the port operators 
on both sides do they determine who goes first, who goes 
second, et cetera, or how does that work in the Panama Canal?
    Mr. Kroenig. Yes. Well, in terms of the specific operations 
some of my colleagues may be better able to speak to that, but 
halting, disrupting trade in a place like that would not be 
very difficult. I think we've seen in other cases where ships 
get stuck in, say, the Suez Canal, global trade really takes a 
hit.
    So I think there are a number of things they could do to 
hinder trade, such as putting a ship in the canal and not 
letting other ships go through. So there's the economic 
dimension.
    Then there's the military dimension in the event of a 
crisis or war hindering U.S. naval vessels that could make it 
more difficult for the United States to project military power 
where it needs to go.
    Chairman Gimenez. Fair enough.
    Dr. Berg, in terms of the presence of China, the ever-
increasing presence of China in infrastructure, especially in 
ports, my first question is where were we? Because when I 
visited Peru, and I know they have a huge port they just 
constructed in Peru, and they are actually putting out an RFP 
for a second port down in south Peru and they want us to 
participate. They really want us to participate.
    Where has the United States been for the last, I guess, 2 
to 3 decades down in South America?
    Mr. Berg. Chairman, I agree wholeheartedly with your 
concern. I think we were looking in other theaters of the world 
and we had forgotten, frankly, that security, prosperity, 
economic integration, the ability to deter illegal immigration, 
and so on, it starts right here at home and in our own 
hemisphere.
    So, I welcome this administration's focus on the Western 
Hemisphere, which seems to me a very intense focus on the 
Western Hemisphere. I think it's proper and it's about time 
that we spend more time looking into not just our security but 
also our commercial diplomacy in this hemisphere.
    The problem, Mr. Chairman, is that we're playing from 
behind now because we focused on other theaters in the world 
for 40 or so years, at least. Especially with ports, Mr. 
Chairman, it's far easier to play offense than it is to play 
defense to get the U.S. private sector interested, for example, 
in the port you've just discussed in Peru than it is to try to 
get the Peruvians to wiggle out of this new mega port, for 
example at Chancay.
    Chairman Gimenez. Yes. Look, one of the things that I found 
when I was down in South America is that we were more 
interested in ideological diplomacy than in commercial 
diplomacy, OK, focus on stuff that really did not advance 
American interests at all.
    So, Dr. Kardon, when we talk about military use of these 
facilities and you haven't seen much, maybe my premise is that 
they are going to build all the infrastructure and then they 
are going to appear because if they don't--if they start to 
appear now then then it, kind-of, you know, kind-of, shakes us 
and wakes us up.
    But they are building that infrastructure, right, the 
ability to somehow then project power into our own hemisphere. 
They have the largest Navy in the world right now. They are 
building more and more ships, completely outpacing the United 
States in terms of other ship production. Their large Blue Navy 
ship production completely outpaces us here in the United 
States and so is there a threat to that?
    They are building the facilities. Will one day all of a 
sudden we will see a bunch of, you know, People's Liberation 
Army Navy in our own hemisphere, in our own backyard?
    Mr. Kardon. Chairman Gimenez, you're absolutely correct 
that pretty much any commercial port is intrinsically dual-use, 
particularly the modern facilities that Chinese firms are 
constructing, owning, and operating in the hemisphere.
    But as you also note, there has been relatively minimal PLA 
operational activity in this hemisphere. While I agree that 
it's possible for them to do it on relatively short notice, 
sailing across the Pacific, I think from a strategic standpoint 
it's unlikely that Beijing chooses to make this hemisphere the 
area where they're trying to match up militarily against the 
United States, in at least the near term.
    The main reason for that is their overwhelming strategic 
focus remains in the western Pacific for its Taiwan 
contingencies, but also the South China Sea and East China Sea. 
So, while I think it's a reasonable concern and one that ought 
to be monitored, I think it's somewhat unlikely that they 
attempt to project large amounts of power into this hemisphere.
    Chairman Gimenez. I agree with you on short-term. My time 
is up and I will just make one final statement is that the 
Chinese have a very long-range point of view and that they look 
at things 100 years ahead, not like us. We look at things 2 
years ahead.
    So with that, I will yield, and I recognize the Ranking 
Member from, you are from?
    Mrs. McIver. New Jersey.
    Chairman Gimenez. From New Jersey, OK.
    Mrs. McIver. The Garden State. The Garden State.
    Chairman Gimenez. The gentlewoman from New Jersey, Mrs. 
McIver.
    Mrs. McIver. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On Sunday, Vice 
President Vance tweeted that judges aren't allowed to control 
the Executive's legitimate power. Then yesterday, a Federal 
judge said the White House had disobeyed the plain text of his 
direction to release billions of dollars in Federal grants 
which Congress appropriated but the administration has tried to 
freeze.
    Now, I am not sure what they teach at Yale Law School, but 
I am an educator myself, and in New Jersey's Tenth we teach 
students in elementary school that the Legislative branch 
writes the law, the Judiciary branch interprets the law, and 
the Executive branch enforces the law. This isn't hard.
    If this administration refuses to comply with the court 
orders, we will be in a scary situation in this country, not 
just because we will face a Constitutional crisis, but also 
because Federal grants are critical to our safety and security, 
including at our Nation's ports.
    DHS administers the Port Security Grant Program, which was 
funded at $90 million in 2024, for critical security projects. 
The Port of Newark has relied on that funding, as well as 
funding from the bipartisan infrastructure law.
    Mr. Davis, how important are Federal grants to U.S. port 
security and infrastructure? Would any freeze on these grants, 
like those attempted by this administration, have any impacts?
    Mr. Davis. Thanks for the question, Congresswoman. The 
Federal funding for port infrastructure is critical, and I give 
all legislators across the spectrum a huge bravo for the 
attention that they put on intermodal infrastructure funding 
and supply chain resilience through all the various programs at 
U.S. DOT, Department of Homeland Security, et cetera, et 
cetera. The funding increase has been amazing for 
recapitalizing a lot of aging infrastructure at our ports.
    Specific to your question, we're monitoring very closely 
what's happening with the administration with the caveat that 
the President has the prerogative to impose his policy 
preferences as he sees fit and within law.
    We're, of course, watching very closely to make sure that 
any monies that were appropriated, or even more importantly, 
obligated, monies that have been obligated already they have to 
flow. There's a contractual right in the recipients of these 
grants that they get their funding. So, this is something we're 
watching very closely.
    Mrs. McIver. Thank you. In your opening statement you 
talked about how, you know, this Port Security Grant Program 
was originally authorized for $400 million in funding but since 
has been underfunded. Can you talk a little bit more or 
elaborate on what kinds of projects and security upgrades will 
ports be able to make with more funding?
    Mr. Davis. Thanks for the question, Congresswoman. The 
types of projects run a gamut. You can imagine everything from 
physical fencing, bollards, camera systems that protect the 
gate as we usually call it around the port, to much more 
cutting-edge machine learning, AI, defensive measures to 
predict, preempt, and respond to cyber threats.
    It's well-known that many of our largest gateway ports 
receive tens of millions of attempted cyber intrusions per day, 
per month, I'm not sure exactly, but tens of millions per month 
at least.
    So, the types of projects that this critical grant program 
funds across the gamut all really important, all really good 
for responding to the changing nature of a lot of threats that 
the ports are seeing.
    Mrs. McIver. Thank you, Mr. Davis, and I too want to offer 
my condolences for the loss of your friend. Thank you for 
sharing that story with us and those who are watching and those 
here.
    With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Chairman Gimenez. Thank you to the Ranking Member.
    I recognize the gentleman from New York, Mr. Garbarino.
    Mr. Garbarino. Thank you, Chairman. You are from the Sixth 
Borough, right, in Florida, New York?
    Chairman Gimenez. Yes I actually am.
    Mr. Garbarino. OK. Thank you, Chairman.
    Mr. Davis, modern port operations rely heavily on digital 
logistics, AI-driven cargo tracking, and automated systems, 
making them highly dependent on cyber networks and 
interconnected technologies. If the People's Republic of China 
controlled ports in Latin America or even PRC-affiliated 
terminals within U.S. ports were compromised, that could 
provide the Chinese Communist Party with the capability to 
conduct espionage, manipulate global supply chains, or even 
sabotage critical logistics operations in a crisis scenario.
    In your assessment, how susceptible are Western Hemisphere 
ports to cyber intrusions or sabotage by PRC-affiliated 
entities?
    Mr. Davis. Thanks for the question, Congressman. It's a 
good one, especially it, kind-of, segues nicely to the changing 
nature of threats to ports, especially as internet of things, 
IOT, more connected equipment at the ports, right?
    I don't want to opine too much on what's happening at Latin 
American facilities because I think my fellow panelists 
probably have a little bit better view, but in the United 
States we, of course, take this super seriously.
    Whether it's daily interface with Federal agencies, CISA, 
U.S. Coast Guard, which is the lead agency for cybersecurity at 
seaports, CISA. U.S. Coast Guard.
    I personally sit on a DHS Maritime Sector Coordinating 
Council where we share threat information across the maritime 
supply chain, not even just the ports but talking barge, 
carriers, marine terminals. So, we have 4, including the ISAC, 
Information Security Analysis Center, where we share 
information about threats across all the players in the chain.
    Ultimately, I point to the LOGINK example. This was a 
Chinese-developed software. I'm not sure of its status in use 
at ports around the world, but this is a great success story of 
U.S. Government in partnership with industry identifying 
something that carried too much risk that we didn't want to 
upload or use in our IT and OT at ports.
    So we stiff-armed it said we're not going to use this at 
U.S. ports. So, I see that as a great success story in terms of 
the collaboration with industry and Government.
    Mr. Garbarino. So, you think Government is doing a good 
enough job right now to reduce this U.S. maritime sector 
reliance on PRC manufacturing port equipment? Or do you think 
there is more that we can do and does Congress need to act?
    Mr. Davis. I think our on-going partnership is strong and 
satisfactory, but if we do want to take a further steps to 
regain further control over our supply chains and where our 
equipment is manufactured, we do support a reshoring program 
for large-scale cargo handling equipment, such as cranes and 
other cargo handling equipment in ports.
    Mr. Garbarino. You talk about the ISAC and information 
sharing. Is it pretty free-flowing between private-sector 
partners as well as Government? Are you getting good 
information, timely information shared by U.S. Coast Guard and 
CISA or could that be better?
    Mr. Davis. It's pretty good. I'd love to work with you and 
your staff to improve it. I've seen how ISAC's work in other 
critical infrastructure sectors like banking, health care, et 
cetera, and we probably have a bit to go to get to that 
robustness.
    It's certainly not Government's issue either. We could 
share information better just simply among industry, and that's 
what the trade association is for as well so I'd love to work 
to strengthen it.
    Mr. Garbarino. All right. Thank you, Mr. Davis.
    Dr. Kroenig, despite the well-documented security risks 
associated with the PRC's manufacturing and surveillance 
systems, including cameras from Hikvision and network security 
systems from Huawei, they remain prevalent in Latin American 
ports and logistic hubs. These facilities are critical to U.S. 
trade and often handle shipments bound for American ports.
    The presence of PRC-controlled surveillance systems raises 
concerns over whether China's Communist Party could use this 
infrastructure to track U.S.-bound cargo, collect intelligence 
on U.S. business operations, or gain insight into regional 
military activities.
    Do you believe the continued expansion of PRC-affiliated 
surveillance technology in Latin American ports presents a 
security risk?
    Mr. Kroenig. Yes it does present a security risk for all 
the reasons that you mentioned, and I'd say even more broadly 
if China comes to control the digital infrastructure of the 
21st Century in Latin America in the global south, what does 
that mean for the future of democracy and human rights in those 
regions? What does it mean for their global alliances?
    So, I think this is a threat to the United States and that 
we should encourage regional allies to derisk from China and to 
end cooperation with China and with Huawei and then also to 
work to provide them alternatives.
    Mr. Garbarino. How do we encourage them to derisk? What can 
Congress do?
    Mr. Kroenig. Well, I think one is making the case and 
making clear that we're not asking them to choose between the 
United States and China. There are areas where they can 
continue to have productive relations with China, but there are 
areas like this where it's in their national security interest 
and in our national security interest that they end the 
program.
    Then the second thing that Congress can do is work to find 
alternatives and help the administration to develop a 
coordinated plan with allies. If the United States is doing it 
on its own that's one thing. If we can do it in partnership 
with the Europeans, the Japanese, and others, that's much more 
powerful. Provide incentives for the private sector through DFC 
and some of the other mechanisms that have been mentioned. So 
again, encourage them to derisk and then provide alternatives.
    Mr. Garbarino. Thank you. I yield back.
    Chairman Gimenez. I thank the gentleman from New York. Yes 
I do represent the Sixth Borough and your future home, Miami.
    I now recognize and welcome the gentleman from Texas, Mr. 
Turner.
    Mr. Turner. Thank you, Chairman Gimenez and Ranking Member 
McIver. I represent a large portion of Port of Houston and the 
ship channel generating millions of jobs, nearly a trillion 
dollars in economic activity.
    One of the issues that we have been facing are these ship-
to-shore cranes used in many U.S. ports. The Biden 
administration announced a $20 billion deal to develop domestic 
manufacturing of these cranes. I fully support that and it is 
important that that money continues to flow.
    But let me ask Mr. Davis, how long do you foresee before we 
have enough of these cranes made in the United States to meet 
the demands of our seaports in a reliable way?
    Mr. Davis. Thanks for the question, Congressman. It's a 
great one and really speaks to the thinking several steps 
ahead, right? I don't have a great sense. The manufacturers of 
these equipment would have a better sense of how long they 
could stand up production lines, but my best, most aggressive 
estimate is about 2 years hence. That's not from right now. 
That's from when, you know, the funding is in place, the 
purchase orders are put down, so give or take we're talking a 
2-year time line.
    That, of course, even if we were able to create a domestic 
manufacturing program would take years and years and years to 
replace all of these key equipment at the ports. So, they could 
start rolling off the line within a couple of years but to 
replace the hundreds of cranes that are across the country 
would take many years, which is why we stand by the fact that 
in the near term using the equipment that we're using now is 
the right way to go while also pursuing reshoring.
    Mr. Turner. Because most of these type of cranes that are 
needed at the Houston ship channel, as we widen and deepen the 
port, are made in China. Would you all agree that we need to 
make significant investments here to reduce our national 
security risk? Either one of you?
    Mr. Davis. Agree completely, Congressman. We support the 
ability of any of the ports to get the best equipment that's on 
the market right now, including Port Houston's on-going crane 
purchases and installation.
    Mr. Turner. Let me follow up on the Port Security Grant 
Program, which we receive, is there anyone who disagrees with 
the importance of that security grant program? Anyone who 
disagrees with that? OK.
    I want to shift to something else because all of you have 
indicated the need for the United States to make significant 
investments in this area. Under USAID, about $44 billion in 
investments are made. Of that amount, about $1.8 billion is 
made to the Western Hemisphere in terms of investment.
    I would think that by cutting off those investments at 
USAID, which helps to counter the PRC's Belt and Road 
Initiative in Latin America, that we are enhancing our national 
security risk and we are opening the door for the PRC to step 
in when we are stepping out, and especially when we are 
stepping out without any real notice being given to Latin 
America, Panama, you name it across the board, in fact, across 
the world.
    Do you all see the significance? Anyone? My question is, is 
it significant under the USAID program that $1.8 billion has 
been given to the Western Hemisphere? Anyone would question 
that?
    In fact, Mr.--excuse me, actually no one is challenging 
that.
    Dr. Berg, you indicated that we should ``up our game.'' Can 
you elaborate a little bit more on that? What do you mean, more 
investments being made in the United States, more investments 
being made in the Western Hemisphere?
    Mr. Berg. Thanks for the question, Congressman. I think 
it's a question occasionally of investments, but it's also a 
question, to the Chairman's point, of commercial diplomacy. I 
think we need to flip the mindset of some of our diplomats in 
the region.
    I mentioned a couple ideas where I think we could recruit 
more people who have private-sector backgrounds, bring them 
into embassies in a fast track way, and also to make it part of 
an ambassador's performance evaluation.
    With respect to USAID, sir, I think there are ways in which 
we can make USAID, and I certainly hope that in the next 
iteration of USAID it is more strategic. So for example, this 
hearing has focused quite a bit on Panama. We closed our USAID 
office under the Obama administration----
    Mr. Turner. Yes, but let me just, let me just--and I hate 
to cut you off. I hate to cut you off, Dr. Berg, but when we 
are making those investments to the Western Hemisphere if we 
cut them I think we're sending the wrong signal to the PRC. 
They then step in even more.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Gimenez. I thank the gentlemen from Texas.
    I now recognize the gentleman from Arizona, Mr. Crane.
    Mr. Crane. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding this 
hearing today. I want to take a minute to talk really quickly 
about something that Ms. McIver brought up. She was talking 
about the influence that China had on Elon Musk.
    You know, it is interesting. I didn't hear Ms. McIver or 
any of her Democrat colleagues raising these same concerns when 
we uncovered that the Biden family received $28 million, $27 
million from foreign countries and they tried the exact same 
thing with President Trump in the last Congress.
    The reason I think it is important to point this out is the 
interesting thing between, you know, Elon Musk and President 
Biden is Elon Musk actually owns multinational businesses, 
SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink, just to name a few. So, I think it is 
important that we make that distinction.
    I do think this hearing is important today. You know, when 
I look at what Sir Walter Raleigh famously said, he said, ``For 
whoever commands the sea commands the trade. Whoever commands 
the trade of the world commands the riches of the world and 
consequently the world itself.'' So, I am concerned about what 
I see China doing in the Western Hemisphere.
    I want to start with Mr. Davis real quick. You spoke of the 
need for domestic manufacturing or acquiring infrastructure 
used in our ports to avoid a reliance on the CCP's equipment 
which is used for espionage. Can you go into what countries you 
are speaking of, some of our allies that can, you know, provide 
some of this equipment for us, sir?
    Mr. Davis. Thanks for the question, Congressman. China is 
currently not the only place where these ship-to-shore cranes 
are sourced or manufactured, although they have a dominant 
position in the market. Some of the other companies are either, 
who make these equipment, are either headquartered or have 
manufacturing facilities in Germany, Austria, Ireland, and I 
believe some of the componentry might come from Mexico. So, 
that's the state of play in this market.
    Just for the record, Congressman, the industry does not see 
a current situation or risk where there's any compromise of the 
equipment. But if the United States does want to shift toward a 
situation where it is making or friend-shoring these equipment, 
certainly here at home there are lots of manufacturers here in 
the United States that are penciling out what this would look 
like, especially if they had financial support from the U.S. 
Government. It could also be from any of the other countries 
that I mentioned.
    Mr. Crane. Thank you. In regards to fiscal conservativism, 
I am sure many of you guys know that we are approaching $37 
trillion in debt. We are spending about $2 trillion annually 
that we don't have, adding to that every single year.
    I am looking, and the information that I was able to pull 
is that, let's just take the Port of Los Angeles, for example. 
In 2024, the Port of Los Angeles generated $684.7 million in 
operating revenues. The Port of Seattle, in 2024 the Port of 
Seattle generated $1.2 billion in operating revenues.
    Now, I realize that these are private. These are privately-
owned companies, correct? Why aren't these private companies 
investing a lot of their resources so that the Federal 
Government and the taxpayer doesn't come out and have to 
subsidize them?
    Dr. Kroenig, I am going to give that one to you.
    Mr. Kroenig. Oh, I'd say a few things. I completely agree 
that the debt and the deficit are major issues and so coming 
back to our colleague, Elon Musk, I think his efforts to look 
for waste, fraud, and abuse and to find savings makes sense.
    Even when it comes to USAID, USAID was set up for strategic 
competition during the Cold War to advance American interests. 
Then I think it loses its way over time and so I think trying 
to restructure U.S. foreign aid to prioritize concrete U.S. 
interest and strategic competition makes a lot of sense.
    In terms of the decisions made by the companies operating 
the ports on the Western Hemisphere, I'm probably not the best 
to speak to that. Maybe I'd defer to Mr. Davis or to others.
    Mr. Crane. I will let either of you guys take that if you 
want.
    Mr. Davis. If I may, Congressman?
    Mr. Crane. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Davis. That all of the port authorities in the United 
States are public entities. They're chartered by cities, 
counties, States, and many of those revenues go actually to 
public coffers. They go into the Treasury to pay for all their 
services for the local, urban area, or county or whatever it 
may be.
    So, I'd love to work with you and your staff on some of the 
specifics of those ports, but they're public entities that are 
often paying back profits into public Treasury.
    Mr. Crane. What percentage, Mr. Davis, are most of them 
paying back?
    Mr. Davis. Let me get you that number, Congressman.
    Mr. Crane. Thank you. I yield back.
    Chairman Gimenez. Thank you, gentleman from Arizona.
    I now recognize the gentlewoman from South Carolina, Mrs. 
Biggs.
    Mrs. Biggs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    I want to sincerely thank our witnesses for their valuable 
contributions to this important hearing today.
    So, the United States Coast Guard is essential to securing 
maritime trade and enforcing laws that protect our national 
security. They safeguard our borders, they ensure the security 
of global trade, and they combat illicit activities at sea.
    The People's Republic of China's growing control over 
strategic maritime choke points, its engagement in illegal 
fishing, and the suspected use of commercial shipping for 
surveillance and illicit trafficking, all directly threaten 
U.S. homeland security.
    Because the Coast Guard patrols these critical waterways, 
we must evaluate whether they have the resources and the 
authority needed to effectively address these threats.
    So for Dr. Kardon, how does the PRC's expanding influence 
over global shipping routes and strategic ports, including in 
Latin America and the Caribbean, impact U.S. homeland security 
and the Coast Guard's ability to police illicit trade and 
trafficking?
    Mr. Kardon. Thank you, Congresswoman Biggs. I believe that 
the extraordinary market share of Chinese firms and global 
shipping and actually across all the verticals, you know, that 
include shipbuilding prominently or investments, of course, 
shipping itself, containers, leasing, et cetera, gives China a 
strategic advantage in the modern economic system.
    We heard the Sir Walter Raleigh quote. I think that 
resonates with leaders in Beijing. I for one have studied a lot 
of Chinese strategists' writings about the famous American 
naval strategist Alfred Thayer Mahan. Also, a leading influence 
in understanding sea power is something much broader than just 
naval capability.
    The naval capability is actually subordinate to the access 
to markets and the freedom of maneuver around the world's 
oceans. The PRC has systematically invested in those 
capabilities. When we think about Chinese maritime power, I 
would urge us to think, of course, of their growing Blue Water 
Navy, but not exclusively.
    In fact, if we look at where they're really, really 
differentiated it's areas like shipbuilding and in overall 
trade volumes and in its position in global supply chains and 
value chains.
    So, I do think that this poses a broad strategic threat to 
the United States. As I note in my testimony, I think the acute 
military threats from it are somewhat overstated, but that's 
not to say that it's not a major strategic risk. I think what 
I'm urging from the standpoint of legislation and policy is to 
really focus on rejuvenating American maritime power.
    Over the past 25 years, China has systematically invested 
in its maritime power and one could make the argument that the 
United States has systematically divested or, sort-of, 
accidentally divested from it. So I think that's really the 
center of gravity in our strategic competition and warrants 
close attention.
    Mrs. Biggs. Thank you so much.
    My second question this is for Dr. Kroenig. So, given 
reports of PRC-affiliated vessels engaging in espionage, the 
illegal fishing, and smuggling, is the U.S. Coast Guard 
adequately resourced and authorized to confront these threats? 
Adding on to that, what additional capabilities or legislative 
measures might be necessary that we can help with?
    Mr. Kroenig. I think the U.S. Coast Guard and the U.S. 
military more broadly is not adequately resourced to deal with 
the China challenge.
    If we look during the Cold War, the United States spent an 
average of 7 percent of GDP on defense. Now, we're spending 
something like 3\1/2\ percent of GDP on defense, so historic 
lows.
    So I think Senator Wicker and some others who have called 
for 5 percent defense spending makes a lot of sense and so that 
should be investments in the Coast Guard and also investments 
in our naval power more broadly.
    The United States has really fallen behind here and it has 
been U.S. dominance on the high seas that has enabled really 
the U.S.-led order since 1945. So, I think this is a major 
problem and major investments are needed.
    Mrs. Biggs. Thank you so much for your comments, and I 
yield back.
    Chairman Gimenez. Thank you to the gentlewoman from South 
Carolina.
    I now recognize the gentleman from Puerto Rico, Mr. 
Hernandez.
    Mr. Hernandez. Thank you, Chairman.
    I support efforts to counter Chinese influence in Latin 
America and the Caribbean. To do that we need to strengthen our 
own ports in Latin America and the Caribbean, both for economic 
development and for public safety reasons.
    Ports like the one we have in San Juan are important for 
the island's economic development and emergency response 
preparedness. Federal investments in infrastructure are 
critical for strengthening U.S. port infrastructure that itself 
is essential for maintaining our global competitiveness, 
particularly with China.
    However, infrastructure projects take time and many funded 
by the bipartisan infrastructure law and other legislation are 
still on their way. These projects are now threatened by the 
Federal funding freeze putting our island's economic growth and 
emergency response preparedness at risk. In the long run this 
could benefit our global competitors like China.
    Mr. Davis, in your written testimony you note that U.S. 
ports are already subject to Federal oversight mechanisms 
designed to ensure that foreign investments in critical 
infrastructure do not threaten national security. How would a 
Federal directive that freezes funding and hinders these 
agencies from carrying out their responsibilities compromise 
our national security and reduce our competitiveness on the 
global stage?
    Mr. Davis. Well, thanks a lot for the question, 
Congressman. I think you hit the nail on the head by saying 
infrastructure projects take time. From the time that the 
potential grant is noticed by the Government to the time it's 
awarded, to the time it's permitted, to the time a shovel hits 
the ground, you can see how it adds up a lot, which is why the 
industry, and I know many industries are very hopeful for a 
bipartisan move forward on permitting reform for infrastructure 
projects at ports and other critical infrastructure and energy 
utilities and the like.
    So, that's something we're looking forward to this 
Congress. But to answer your question directly, the President 
has his prerogative for his policy priorities that he wants for 
his administration, no doubt about that, but we come back to if 
monies have been obligated it's very clear that the law says 
they must flow to the recipients of those grant awards.
    So, at the point that the grant is awarded to a recipient 
the money has to flow eventually, and that's something we're 
monitoring closely.
    Mr. Hernandez. Great. I want to switch gears quickly to 
emergency preparedness. So, on Saturday evening a 7.6 magnitude 
earthquake hit the Caribbean and there was a tsunami advisory 
for Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. I think this 
tsunami advisory underscores how vulnerable regions like Puerto 
Rico and the USVI and the Caribbean, how we depend on strong 
modern ports for emergency response and recovery should a 
disaster strike.
    What could be the specific economic and public safety 
impact of the Federal funding freeze on infrastructure 
projects, particularly in regions vulnerable to natural 
disasters?
    Mr. Davis. Congressman, I'd answer the question by saying, 
unfortunately, natural disasters are becoming larger, more 
frequent, and costly and ports are literally on the front lines 
of many of these coastal areas that are susceptible to them. We 
estimate that the closure of a port has on the order of $5 
million economic impact per day, so that really, you know, 
multiply that by 1 week and you start to see the overall toll 
of a disaster like that.
    Mr. Hernandez. So, would you say that in essence these 
Federal funding projects to strengthen our ports' 
infrastructure could be seen as a long-term investment rather 
than a loss that would represent, you know, having these weak 
ports that it would have to close in the case of a natural 
disaster?
    Mr. Davis. I agree completely, Congressman. The return on 
investment is a 3-, 4-, 5X, and I would point folks to the 
Association of the Society of Civil Engineers for some of their 
work on this on these figures.
    Mr. Hernandez. This is a return on investment that will not 
only benefit places like Puerto Rico but would also benefit the 
United States and its broader ambitions to combat Chinese 
influence in the region.
    Mr. Davis. No doubt about it. We'll be looking at a 
comparative study in coming months about how our trading 
competitors spend on their port infrastructure, and I think 
it'll open some eyes.
    Mr. Hernandez. So, would you agree that this should be 
approached in a bipartisan manner, not viewing this just 
through the lens of traditional liberal-conservative spending 
versus Government cuts angle. It should be seen as something 
that concerns our national security, our economic 
competitiveness, and it should transcend political 
partisanship.
    Mr. Davis. Congressman, forgive the corniness. The 
containers can be blue, the containers can be red, but shipping 
infrastructure is bipartisan.
    Mr. Hernandez. Thank you. I yield back the remainder of my 
time.
    Chairman Gimenez. The gentleman from Puerto Rico yields 
back his time.
    We are expecting 1 other individual, 1 other Member to 
come. It was supposed to be at 11:20 so I will keep the hearing 
open until 11:20. Hopefully, he will show up. If not, then we 
will close. So, we are in recess for a couple minutes.
    [Recess.]
    Chairman Gimenez. The subcommittee will come back to order.
    I now recognize gentleman from Iowa, Mr. Nunn.
    Mr. Nunn. I want to begin by thanking Chairman Gimenez by 
starting off us on such an important topic today and allowing 
me to join your subcommittee. As we all know, the CCP's global 
ambitions are not limited by hemisphere or geopolitical 
boundaries.
    They are masters of anti-access area denial across all 
domains, including that in space and are serving a threat 
across not just the Pacific but around our world.
    Look, as a 20-year intelligence officer, including on an 
airborne operations, I have flown reconnaissance missions along 
the PRC's periphery and I have witnessed first-hand how Beijing 
operates. The PRC's investments are more than just about 
economics. There are tools for power projection, influence, and 
strategic positioning.
    Right now in Argentina, the Chinese are developing a deep 
space station according to CISA. BYD's monopoly of critical 
batteries house goes--or the COSCO's deep water port in Peru 
and increased arms and weapon sales across China and throughout 
South and Central America. These are only a handful of the 
projects that they have undertaken, as has been highlighted 
today.
    In Latin America specifically, Beijing has employed debt 
diplomacy, state-controlled enterprises, and political pressure 
to expand its foothold. I believe that if the United States 
gives our command and control of SOUTHCOM over to the PRC, my 
farmers in Iowa, manufacturers across the country, and folks 
just here in the United States will not only lack for the 
ability to operate there but will be boxed out completely 
around the world.
    This region contains operations critical to international 
trade, shipping, agriculture, and strategic military positions.
    So with that, I want to begin by thanking our new Secretary 
of State Marco Rubio for his recent visit to the region along 
with his commitment to halt the CCP's investment in the region 
and offer our friends in the Latin American community an 
opportunity to work with the United States for long-term 
security throughout the globe.
    Today's hearing is a necessary step forward and thank you, 
Mr. Chair, for leading the charge on this.
    So, I'll first speak to Dr. Ryan Berg. Dr. Berg, you are a 
director at CSIS and you have been making a massive 
investigation into China's foothold in Latin America. Many of 
the host nations view these investments as beneficial to 
themselves, either due to economic desperation or a lack of 
viable alternatives from the West.
    How effectively are the Latin American governments 
assessing the long-term threat that China poses to their local 
economies?
    Mr. Berg. Thanks for the question, Congressman, and it's 
wonderful to hear that you're consuming our products. We always 
love hearing Members reading CSIS.
    Look, I think there's a fundamental problem with some of 
the democracies in the hemisphere. If you sign a deal to get 
shovels in the ground during your mandate, you might see 
shovels get in the ground during your mandate. You may even win 
reelection based on the feeling that the country is doing major 
infrastructure things with the PRC, but the price to be paid is 
later.
    So we need to get better with our messaging game, whether 
it's debt trap diplomacy or whether it's opportunity costs 
associated with some of these deals, to have leaders understand 
that there are costs to be paid and they often come 2 or 3 
mandates later.
    That's the fundamental problem here, Congressman, and too 
often the best offer has been the Chinese offer because it's 
been the only offer. So, before you entered the hearing I spoke 
to a couple of the Chairman's questions as well as my opening 
statement about how we need to increase and improve our 
commercial diplomacy. I'd be happy to talk to you off-line 
about that as well. Thanks.
    Mr. Nunn. As you know, we have seen this tragically 
throughout history. The Soviets doing it in Cuba and Latin 
America. The Chinese are much more insidious in their ability, 
both through wolf warrior diplomacy with the long-term tethers 
that they hold over these countries who, candidly, are looking 
for alternative partners to not be trapped in this situation. 
Thank you, Dr. Berg.
    Dr. Kroenig, you're the vice president and senior director 
at Scowcroft, also incredible work you guys have going on 
there. I want to talk about the PRC's growing control over port 
infrastructure.
    Obviously, the President has made this a top priority in 
Panama, but the deep water port investment in this area has an 
outsized influence. President Trump and Secretary Rubio both 
emphasized the seriousness.
    What specifically both diplomatically, economically, 
hopefully not militarily, but we did get the right to sail 
through, steps can the United States be taking to deter China's 
influence and reestablish America's presence in these regions?
    Mr. Kroenig. Yes. Well, thank you, Congressman and thank 
you also for the nice words about our work at the Scowcroft 
Center. So, I think there are a number of things the United 
States can do, and I think President Trump has been right to 
see this as a major priority and to put pressure on the 
Panamanian government.
    You know, many of the governments, including the government 
in Panama, I don't think want this Chinese influence. Now, 
these are agreements that were entered to under previous 
governments and so the U.S. pressure is in a way doing them a 
favor.
    So, as you know, right now they're reviewing some of these 
investments, an audit of these contracts. They probably will 
find Chinese corruption because that's what China does.
    I think that will provide a great opportunity for them to 
end that contract and then rebid and American or other Western 
companies can win those concessions and I think that would 
advance American security and Panamanian security.
    Mr. Nunn. I think it is fantastic that not only have the 
administration been able to redirect it so that U.S. naval war 
vessels who help protect the Western Hemisphere now can sail 
through that without paying a massive fee, oftentimes which 
goes to subsidize the Chinese, we should also recognize the 
Chinese are doing more than just the hard infrastructure 
projects. They are deeply embedded into every software, 
hardware technology, the actual SCADA and control systems for 
these.
    So, I want to talk to Mr. Davis here, you also, the 
president and CEO of the American Association of the Port 
Authorities. The Chinese Communist Party has embedded itself 
within our actual U.S. port systems here, the supply chain, the 
critical infrastructure, or the software.
    This includes through port equipment like ship-to-shore 
cranes, which the United States exploited--which could be 
exploited for cyber espionage, logistical disruptions, or just 
good old-fashioned spying. How do we get around this?
    We have seen things like Salt Typhoon in a series of MSS, 
the state security out of China, threatening the United States 
and very little happening to hold these bad actors accountable, 
whether in Latin America or right in Beijing.
    Mr. Davis. Thanks for the question, Congressman. I think 
there are 3 answers to it. First, it's the port industries 
partnership with Government and all the agencies that lead on 
cybersecurity or otherwise security measures at the ports, 
including U.S. Coast Guard, CISA, and the like.
    Similarly within industry, we share threat. Ports share 
ports terminals and other maritime players all share threats 
amongst each other so that they can identify malicious codes, 
spear phishing techniques, et cetera, so that everyone's, kind-
of, on guard and seeing the same thing.
    The third is a lot of the much more sophisticated and 
technical defensive measures that ports, operators, and 
manufacturers take, including replacing some of the electrical 
componentry and software of some of the equipment with those by 
known parties, some of, some of which are United States 
companies.
    There are other sorts of measures like that which I'd love 
to tell you and your staff about.
    Mr. Nunn. We look forward to that. I want to highlight that 
the scope----
    Chairman Gimenez. The gentleman's times has now expired.
    Mr. Nunn. That is right. I yield back to the Chair.
    Chairman Gimenez. Well, thank you.
    I want to thank the witnesses for their valuable testimony 
and the Members for their questions. The Members of the 
subcommittee may have some additional questions for the 
witnesses and we would ask the witnesses to respond to these in 
writing.
    Pursuant to committee rule VII(E), the hearing record will 
be open for 10 days. Without objection, this subcommittee 
stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 11:34 a.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]

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