[Senate Hearing 118-752]
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                                                        S. Hrg. 118-752

                     UNDERSTANDING THE PRESENCE OF
                         MICROPLASTICS IN WATER

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                             JOINT HEARING

                               BEFORE THE

                    SUBCOMMITTEE ON CHEMICAL SAFETY,
                WASTE MANAGEMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE,
                        AND REGULATORY OVERSIGHT

                                 AND THE

                   SUBCOMMITTEE ON FISHERIES, WATER,
                              AND WILDLIFE

                                 OF THE

                              COMMITTEE ON
                      ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS

                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

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                           FEBRUARY 27, 2024

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               COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

                  THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware, Chairman
          SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West Virginia, Ranking Member

BENJAMIN L. CARDIN, Maryland         KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont             CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming
SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, Rhode Island     MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma
JEFF MERKLEY, Oregon                 PETE RICKETTS, Nebraska
EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts      JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas
DEBBIE STABENOW, Michigan            ROGER WICKER, Mississippi
MARK KELLY, Arizona                  DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
ALEX PADILLA, California             LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania

               Courtney Taylor, Democratic Staff Director
               Adam Tomlinson, Republican Staff Director
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   Subcommittee on Chemical Safety, Waste Management, Environmental 
                   Justice, and Regulatory Oversight

                     JEFF MERKLEY, Oregon, Chairman
               MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma, Ranking Member

BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont             JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas
SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, Rhode Island     ROGER WICKER, Mississippi
EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts      DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania         SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West 
THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware (ex           Virginia (ex officio)
    officio)
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             Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water, and Wildlife

                   ALEX PADILLA, California, Chairman
               CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming, Ranking Member

BENJAMIN L. CARDIN, Maryland         KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, Rhode Island     PETE RICKETTS, Nebraska
EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts      JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas
DEBBIE STABENOW, Michigan            DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
MARK KELLY, Arizona                  SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West 
THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware (ex           Virginia (ex officio)
    officio)
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                           FEBRUARY 27, 2024
                           OPENING STATEMENTS

Merkley, Hon. Jeff, U.S. Senator from the State of Oregon........     1
Padilla, Hon. Alex, U. S. Senator from the State of California...     3
Lummis, Hon. Cynthia, U.S. Senator from the State of Wyoming.....     4

                               WITNESSES

Mullin, Hon. Markwayne, U.S. Senator from the State of Oklahoma
    Prepared statement...........................................     6
Brander, Susanne M., Ph.D., Associate Professor, Oregon State 
  University, College of Agricultural Sciences, Department of 
  Fisheries, Wildlife, and Conservation Sciences.................     8
    Prepared statement...........................................    10
Mason, Sherri A., Ph.D., Director of Sustainability, Penn State 
  Behrend........................................................    22
    Prepared statement...........................................    24
Alspach, Brent, P.E., Vice President and Director of Applied 
  Research, Arcadis..............................................    28
    Prepared statement...........................................    30

                          ADDITIONAL MATERIAL

Letter to Senator Merkley, Senator Padilla, Senator Mullin and 
  Senator Lummis from the International Bottled Water Association 
  (IBWA).........................................................    52

 
          UNDERSTANDING THE PRESENCE OF MICROPLASTICS IN WATER

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                       TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2024

                               U.S. Senate,
         Committee on Environment and Public Works,
         Subcommittee on Chemical Safety, Waste Management,
            Environmental Justice, and Regulatory Oversight
                             joint with the Subcommittee on
                            Fisheries, Water, and Wildlife,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittees met, pursuant to notice, at 2:30 p.m., in 
room 406, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Jeff Merkley 
(chairman of the subcommittee on Chemical Safety, Waste 
Management, Environmental Justice, and Regulatory Oversight) 
presiding.
    Present: Senators Merkley, Carper, Padilla, Mullin, Lummis, 
Whitehouse, Sullivan.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. JEFF MERKLEY, 
             U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF OREGON

    Senator Merkley. Good afternoon. Welcome, everyone. This 
joint hearing of the Environment and Public Works Subcommittees 
on Chemical Safety, Waste Management, Environmental Justice, 
and Regulatory Oversight and Fisheries, Water, and Wildlife on 
understanding the presence of microplastics in water will come 
to order.
    As one of our witnesses today, Dr. Sherri Mason, said, 
normal humans looking at a sample of water, if there is visible 
plastic in it, they will be turned off. They do not realize it 
is actually the invisible plastics present that are the biggest 
concern. Thank you for sharing that line and allowing me to 
steal it from you. Those invisible plastics are why we are here 
today.
    Like people shed skin cells, plastics shed particles of 
plastics. These can be big microplastics, which range from half 
a centimeter down to a micrometer, a micrometer being less than 
one-70th the size of a human hair, or they can be as small as 
nano plastics, which are even smaller than a micrometer.
    Not surprisingly, we are finding microplastics everywhere: 
on top of mountains, at the bottom of the sea, in the food we 
eat, in the air we breathe, in drops of rain, and even drops of 
our own blood. Microplastics have been found in our livers, our 
lungs, and the breast milk we feed our babies.
    Even when folks try to avoid using plastics, products like 
paper cups and aluminum cans now have plastic linings. This 
should set off public health alarm bells for everyone, because 
microplastics leech chemicals, chemicals like endocrine 
disruptors that affect the reproductive system and are a major 
suspect in the decline of male fertility worldwide, chemicals 
that lead to weight gain, chemicals that lead to insulin 
resistance, chemicals that cause cancer.
    Congress has taken important first steps to address 
plastics in our water, like the Microbead-Free Waters Act of 
2015, based on the research of one of our witnesses, Dr. Mason. 
This legislation banned cosmetics with intentionally added 
plastic microbeads that did nothing for consumers but did 
pollute our waterways.
    Since then, we have learned that the problem of plastic 
pollution is so much more extensive than microbeads, and so 
much smaller, too, in terms of micro and nano plastics.
    Microplastics shed into our water every time we use plastic 
water bottles, every time we wash clothing made from a whole 
series of products that we may not even think of as plastics, 
but are plastics, nylon, polyester, other synthetic materials. 
Every time, it seems that water interacts with plastic.
    Our water treatment systems filter out many harmful 
contaminants, but the filters have plastic components that 
could be inadvertently polluting the water with microplastics. 
We can not forget that biosolids from wastewater treatment and 
agricultural fertilizer also contain microplastics, and when 
those biosolids are put onto lands, they can run off into our 
streams and waterways, creating additional plastic challenges, 
which is why I have introduced the Research for Healthy Soils 
Act to make this a high priority research area for the 
Department of Agriculture.
    We need to think better; we need to think bigger. We need 
to think about how to stop micro and nano plastics from getting 
into the water in the first place and how to filter them out 
when they already exist. Thanks to current research on 
microplastics and microfibers, including work led by one of our 
witnesses today, Dr. Brander, from Oregon State University, 
States are starting to act. Legislation was recently introduced 
in my home State of Oregon that would require all new washing 
machines sold in Oregon to include a built-in microfiber 
filtration system.
    State-led efforts are important, but microplastics do not 
stop at the State border, so we also need national attention. 
Fortunately, we have been joined by a panel of experts today 
who can help us understand what those national solutions might 
look like.
    Dr. Susanne Brander is an ecotoxicologist and Associate 
Professor at Oregon State University whose research focuses on 
microplastics and how they affect behavior and growth in fish 
and other water organisms. She is also a co-leader of the 
Pacific Northwest Consortium on Plastics.
    Also joining us today is Dr. Sherri ``Sam'' Mason, 
Associate Research Professor and Director of Sustainability at 
Penn State Behrend in Erie, Pennsylvania. Her research on 
freshwater microplastics has led to plastics legislation here 
in the United States, as well as other places around the world.
    We are also joined by Brent Alspach, Vice President and 
Director of Applied Research at Arcadis, where he oversees 
their water division's research on drinking water, recycled 
water, wastewater, and stormwater.
    Thank you all for taking the time to share your expertise 
with us.
    We will reserve the opportunity for Senator Mullin as 
Ranking Member to give his opening remarks, so when he is able 
to get here. I hear that he is on his way. He will also be 
followed by opening remarks from our colleagues on the 
fisheries subcommittee, and let me turn this over to Chairman 
Padilla.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. ALEX PADILLA, 
           U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

    Senator Padilla. Thank you, Senator Merkley. Good 
afternoon, everybody, and thank you to my colleagues on both 
sides of the aisle for participating in this joint hearing 
between our respective subcommittees, mine being the Senate 
Environment and Public Works Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water, 
and Wildlife.
    Today, we have the privilege of co-chairing this hearing, 
along with our Republican colleagues. This is going to be a 
substantive and important discussion. We are teaming up to 
examine the issue of microplastics, including nano plastics in 
our drinking water and in wastewater.
    I want to just not brag too much, but call attention to my 
involvement in the issue since before I even joined the Senate. 
In fact, I was serving as California's Secretary of State in 
the year 2020 when I joined Senator Dan Sullivan from Alaska at 
a virtual event hosted by the Massachusetts Institute of 
Technology, focused on the dangers of plastic pollution, each 
of us sharing our work experience and legislative experience at 
that point.
    As Senator Sullivan so eloquently articulated then, we knew 
that the issue truly can be an opportunity for bipartisan 
cooperation, especially as we support this emerging area of 
research. While the study of microplastics is in fact still 
emerging, one thing we do know beyond a shadow of a doubt is 
where we can find microplastics, because the answer is 
everywhere. It is all around us.
    These tiny, sometimes microscopic shards and fragments of 
plastic less than 5 millimeters in length have been found in 
the clouds above our skies, in the depths of the oceans, and 
literally everywhere in between.
    Just last summer, here is another, I am not trying to brag 
too, too much, but I participated in the 27th Annual Lake Tahoe 
Summit where the Governors and senators from both California 
and Nevada convened at the lake to talk about cooperation 
between our States and the Federal Government to protect this 
tremendous jewel, this tremendous natural resource.
    I was reminded that even in a natural wonder like Lake 
Tahoe, given its high elevation, given its pristine, clear blue 
water, surrounded by nothing but scenic mountaintops and trees, 
with all the multi-State, multi-jurisdictional environmental 
protections, even there, microplastics is a problem. It is no 
surprise that if you can find them there, then you will find 
them in everyday products like plastic water bottles with 
``hundreds of thousands of bits of plastic per liter of 
water.''
    These findings should alarm us, folks. They should alarm us 
into action. Just how pervasive are microplastics in the water 
that we drink?
    Well, I am proud to say that in California, we are trying 
to lead the way in trying to answer the question as the first 
government in the world to set requirements for testing 
microplastics in drinking water. Our State is trying to lead 
the way. This serves as a model, by the way, that other States, 
as well as the Federal Government, can follow in the coming 
years.
    We also know that microplastics are already so common that 
increasingly, we have found them in stomachs of sea animals, in 
our own food and water, and yes, even in human lungs and 
bloodstreams. While we continue to learn more and more about 
the presence of microplastics on the planet, the question must 
also become, what are the potential impacts of microplastics on 
human health?
    To explore just that, I want to thank all of our witnesses 
for being here today. I am certainly looking forward to hearing 
more about the State of your research and how Congress can help 
protect the health of not just our environment, but our 
constituents and the future generations.
    With that, thank you again, Senator Merkley. If I can now 
hand it over to the Ranking Member of our subcommittee, my 
friend and colleague, Senator Lummis.

           OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. CYNTHIA LUMMIS, 
             U.S.SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF WYOMING

    Senator Lummis. Thank you, Chairman Merkley, and thank you, 
Chairman Padilla.
    As you were talking, I had a recollection and a mental 
image. I got to fly over Lake Tahoe in a very small plane back 
in 1977 when I was working for a rodeo contractor in Northern 
California. The plane was piloted by Joe Alexander, who was the 
world champion bareback bronco rider in the world, and we flew 
over and we buzzed Lake Tahoe.
    It was unforgettable, unforgettable. You have such a 
beautiful State, and it is such a privilege for me to serve 
with you as Ranking Member on the Fisheries, Water, and 
Wildlife Subcommittee. Thank you as well, Chairman Merkley. We 
all come from the west, beautiful States, and this is an 
important topic to all of us.
    Under the Safe Drinking Water Act, the EPA set regulations 
for over 90 different contaminants in public water. These 
supplies have such contaminants as arsenic, asbestos, lead, 
mercury, and many other substances that are proven to harm 
human health. The contaminants on this list did not appear 
overnight.
    Generally, the process of adding contaminants to the 
National Primary Drinking Water Regulations is thorough, 
rigorous, and multifaceted. It is a years-long process based on 
solid, scientific data. Today's hearing focuses on the 
potential presence of microplastics in drinking water and 
wastewater. I am glad we have convened a panel of academic 
witnesses to discuss this topic.
    The consensus on microplastics and their effect on human 
health is that there really is no consensus. We need to start 
diving into this and understanding it better, as members of the 
U.S. Senate. According to the American Water Works Association, 
while we are aware of the existence of microplastics in the 
environment, their occurrence in drinking water sources is not 
well defined.
    Additionally, the effectiveness of treatment processes and 
removing them is not well understood, certainly by me, and 
perhaps by others. Assessing the associated health effects has 
proven challenging.
    Despite the large number of unknowns, there continues to be 
considerable public interest in this topic. While water 
utilities have their hands full with numerous challenges, 
including PFAS, lead contamination, infrastructure repair, and 
many others, I applaud the industry for continuing to further 
its research on microplastics.
    Again, thanks to all our witnesses. I really appreciate 
your being here. I really appreciate the fact that I am going 
to get to learn a lot from you, and I look forward to this 
conversation.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Thank you.
    Senator Merkley. Thank you very much, Senator Lummis.
    Senator Mullin has offered to enter his statement for the 
record. Is there any objection? Hearing none, so ordered.
    [The prepared statement of Senator Mullin follows:]
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    Senator Merkley. We are now going to turn to our experts to 
actually get some insights here. We are going to start with Dr. 
Brander.

 STATEMENT OF SUSANNE M. BRANDER, PH.D., ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, 
  OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY, COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURAL SCIENCES, 
  DEPARTMENT OF FISHERIES, WILDLIFE, AND CONSERVATION SCIENCES

    Ms. Brander. Thank you, Chairmen Merkley and Padilla, and 
Ranking Members Lummis and Mullin for the opportunity to 
testify today on the potential for microplastics in drinking 
and wastewater to have repercussions for environmental and 
human health.
    I am an associate professor at Oregon State University and 
have been conducting research on microplastics and plastic 
pollution for nearly a decade, and on endocrine disrupting 
chemicals for over a decade. The issue of plastic pollution is 
a great environmental challenge, as has been mentioned.
    It is also an expensive problem, estimated at about $13 
billion annually. Fragmentation of plastic products and waste 
into microplastics is of substantial concern to the Nation's 
water treatment sector, where contamination is widely 
documented.
    Microplastics are now broadly defined by California as a 
solid polymeric material to which chemical additives or other 
substances may have been added. These are particles having at 
least three dimensions greater than one nanometer and less than 
five millimeters.
    Formulations of plastics are estimated to use upwards of 
13,000 chemicals, and microplastics are widely documented to 
harm aquatic and terrestrial wildlife. They can slow growth, 
alter behavior, and cause reproductive disruption. They also 
cause adverse effects in mammals, and particle presence is now 
confirmed in the human heart, placenta, and lung tissues, as 
well as in circulation in the bloodstream.
    Microplastics in wastewater and in drinking water are, of 
course, originating from multiple sources. Influent to 
treatment plants contains synthetic microfibers shed from our 
laundry, breakdown of plastics from dishwashers, and plastic 
detergent pods.
    Washing of one synthetic garment is estimated to generate 
over 100,000 microfibers, and an average load produces upwards 
of 9 million, and dryers emit them too, potentially on a larger 
scale. Dishwashers can also generate thousands of microplastics 
per cycle. A medium-sized town could emit over 300 million 
microplastics on a daily basis from a recent study.
    The burden of dealing with these has really shifted to 
wastewater treatment plants and drinking plants. Wastewater 
treatment plants tend to retain most of these particles in the 
sludge, which is sterilized into biosolids and, as Senator 
Merkley mentioned, these are used as fertilizers, and those 
particles can be washed back. All of these discharges are 
unregulated.
    While drinking water in the U.S. does contain fewer 
microplastics in comparison to wastewater, the U.S. does have 
among the highest prevalence of microfibers in its drinking 
water and the highest number of particles detected per liter, 
currently. Results on studies in rodents, which are used as 
human health models, suggests the potential for impacts of this 
long-term exposure to markers like reproductive and microbiome 
health.
    Far less is known about the occurrence and effects of 
tinier particles, which were also mentioned in the introductory 
remarks, these nano plastics. Tap water, like bottled water, 
was recently shown to contain high levels of nano plastics, but 
the methods for detecting these smaller sized fractions are 
expensive and limited, currently. The smaller particles have 
the capability to move around within the body following 
ingestion, and they can also potentially accumulate. Bottled 
water, which contains higher levels of microplastics, is 
disproportionately consumed by marginalized communities, as 
well.
    Experts agree that source reduction of plastics is needed, 
but of course, this is challenging, given that these are deeply 
embedded as far as use goes in our daily lives, and that the 
shedding of microplastics is challenging to control. This 
challenge must be addressed across multiple sectors for 
progress to be made. We have accumulating evidence that as 
these microplastics degrade into smaller sizes, they can elicit 
inflammation, cellular toxicity, and myocardial damage.
    A next step would be to take action to limit their presence 
in our waterways and in our bodies. Potential solutions include 
requiring microfiber filters on washing machines, as a bill has 
been introduced in Oregon and in California, as well. Also, 
catchments and rain gardens can significantly reduce plastic 
pollution from stormwater runoff.
    Our Nation's waterways are intended to be protected by the 
Clean Water Act (CWA), which in 1972 established a framework 
for regulating pollutant discharges. However, the CWA has not 
yet been used, of course, as you know, to limit the discharge 
of microplastics. Given that microplastics and their precursors 
could be defined as originating from point sources, such as 
pellets, discharge of microplastics from treatment plants, or 
the recent vinyl chloride spill, the CWA provides the most 
direct route for potential regulation.
    Long-term solutions are greatly needed, including better 
waste management strategies and a move toward globally touted 
approaches for circularity.
    With that, thank you so much for the opportunity to testify 
today. I am pleased to answer any questions that may come up.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Brander follows:]
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    Senator Merkley. Thank you very much, Dr. Brander.
    Dr. Mason?

       STATEMENT OF SHERRI A. MASON, PH.D., DIRECTOR OF 
               SUSTAINABILITY, PENN STATE BEHREND

    Ms. Mason. Thank you, subcommittee Chairmen Merkley and 
Padilla, and Ranking Members Mullin and Lummis, and other 
subcommittee members for the opportunity to speak at this 
hearing.
    My name is Dr. Sherri Mason. I am a chemist and currently 
the Director of Sustainability at the Erie Campus of Penn 
State.
    When many think of plastic pollution as an issue, they 
think of mass collections of debris in the oceans. While oceans 
are certainly important, science has made it clear over the 
past decade that this is not an oceans-only problem; it is a 
water problem.
    My research group was among the first to study plastic 
pollution in freshwater ecosystems. Our study formed the basis 
of the science upon which the Microbeads-Free Water Act of 2015 
was based. Years later, we would also be the first research lab 
to examine wastewater treatment plant effluent, as well as tap 
water and bottled water.
    While our results were surprising, just last month we 
learned that bottled water has even higher concentrations of 
even smaller particles called nano plastics. My work in this 
field of research started in the Great Lakes, the largest 
freshwater ecosystem on the planet, holding 90 percent of the 
United States' freshwater supply and 20 percent of the world's 
freshwater supply.
    Our economy and our Country are exceedingly fortunate to 
have this freshwater resource right in our backyard. Yet, over 
the 5-years that I sailed and sampled all five of the Great 
Lakes, we established a hard and sad truth. As the water flows 
from one lake to another, the amount of plastic within that 
water increases. Each Great Lake now harbors between one and 
five billion pieces of plastic each. Each lake has that much.
    Ninety-seven percent of those plastics are what are 
classified as microplastics, whose origins are larger 
macroplastic items. The dominant degradation pathway of 
plastics is mechanical, not chemical nor biological. This makes 
plastics unique among other materials and is a primary driver 
for its ecological and human health impact. Plastics are 
synthetic. They are man-made, and as a consequence, they do not 
readily biodegrade, and so they linger in the natural 
environment.
    As they linger, they are baked by the sun and pummeled by 
wind, water, cars, and the like, causing them to break into 
ever-smaller pieces. One macroplastic item can form millions of 
microplastics, which break into billions of nano plastics, 
particles so small they can easily move across the 
gastrointestinal tract, be carried by the blood, end up in our 
livers, kidneys, brains, even crossing the placental boundary 
into embryos.
    There are about 13,000 different chemicals used during the 
manufacture of various plastic products. Many of these are 
known to be carcinogens or endocrine disrupting chemicals, 
which mean that they mimic hormones, the chemical messengers of 
the body. By affecting the endocrine system, these chemicals 
within plastics are linked to fertility issues, including 
decreased sperm counts, as well as being associated with 
obesity rates, autism, and other developmental issues.
    Understanding the impacts of the plastic polymers 
themselves is the real knowledge gap currently that initial 
studies have shown connections to inflammation, oxidative 
stress, Alzheimer's, and other neurological diseases.
    While we do not know everything, what we do know is 
concerning. Water, the necessary elixir of life, is a primary 
means for the movement of micro and nano plastics into people. 
While wastewater treatment plants are fairly effective at 
removing plastics from wastewater, even those particles that 
are removed end up in the biosolids, which are frequently 
applied to farmland.
    This application allows plastic particles within the sludge 
to be re-released into nearby waterways as runoff or move 
through the soil into the groundwater. Studies have found 
microplastics within groundwater. Our study on tap water found 
an average of five and a half pieces of microplastic per liter.
    Should one think that bottled water is a solution to 
plastic within tap water, it is not. Our study on bottled water 
found an average of 325 particles per liter, 58 times the 
quantity within tap water. Just last month, a new study found 
an average of 240,000 nano plastic particles within bottled 
water, nearly three orders of magnitude higher than our 
microplastic study. This study supported what our study found, 
which is we can not filter ourselves out of this problem.
    What can we do? The problem of plastic pollution is 
multifaceted, and so are the solutions. I think the EPA plastic 
strategy, as well as the Break Free From Plastic Pollution Act, 
provide good starting points for discussions. Three solutions I 
want to highlight are source reduction and mitigation, extended 
corporate responsibility, and the creation of a national waste 
and recycling plan.
    Thank you greatly for your time and attention. I look 
forward to answering your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Mason follows:]
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    Senator Merkley. Thank you very much for your testimony.
    Now, we will turn to our third witness. Welcome.

 STATEMENT OF BRENT ALSPACH, P.E., VICE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR 
                  OF APPLIED RESEARCH, ARCADIS

    Mr. Alspach. Good afternoon, Chairman Padilla, Chairman 
Merkley, Ranking Member Lummis, Ranking Member Mullin, and 
members of the subcommittees. Thank you for the opportunity to 
testify before you today on this important topic.
    My name is Brent Alspach, and I am a Vice President and 
Director of Applied Research at Arcadis, a global engineering 
and consulting firm where I oversee a program that has 
conducted approximately $30 million in drinking water, potable 
reuse, wastewater, and stormwater research.
    I also serve on the American Water Works Association's 
(AWWA) Technical and Education Council, which works to advance 
practices and technologies that produce the best quality 
drinking water for the public.
    It is in this capacity that I offer my testimony as a 
representative of the AWWA community and a subject matter 
expert on microplastics and drinking water. Accordingly, I am 
currently the principal investigator on two related projects 
funded by the Water Research Foundation, Developing Strategic 
Consumer Messaging for Microplastics in Drinking Water 
Supplies, Project 5155, and Fate of Microplastics in Drinking 
Water Treatment Plants, Project 5185.
    Microplastics is a category of emerging contaminant that 
includes a wide variety of particulates with different physical 
characteristics, which may originate from the primary or 
secondary sources.
    Primary microplastics are produced as small particles, 
microbeads, or nurdles, which serve as the raw material for 
manufacturing a wide variety of plastic products, whereas 
secondary microplastics are a product of the fragmentation of 
larger plastics, like plastic bags or bottles.
    While generally characterized as measuring less than five 
millimeters in size, there is no formal scientific consensus on 
the definition of microplastics. Studies have shown that 
microplastics are nearly ubiquitous in the environment, having 
been detected everywhere from the upper atmosphere to the 
deepest ocean trenches, including potable water sources and 
treated drinking water supplies.
    However, the science of characterizing occurrence in these 
supplies and understanding their impact while advancing quickly 
is still in its relative infancy, with many important questions 
remaining to be answered.
    The most important step toward advancing this understanding 
is the development and refinement of standardized analytical 
methods. Along these lines, the California Water Resources 
Control Board has approved two analytical methods, which select 
water systems throughout the State will soon apply to evaluate 
real world samples.
    Although these methods represent an important step in 
understanding occurrence, further research is needed to develop 
analytical techniques that are increasingly reliable, 
efficient, economical, and able to detect plastic particulates 
at the nanometer scale. Such advancements will facilitate the 
implementation of broader, more reliable occurrence, toxicity, 
and treatability studies.
    The limitations of contemporary methods of microplastics 
analysis notwithstanding, it is still essential to understand 
occurrence and treatability to the extent possible with the 
best science currently available. Using these practices, a wide 
range of studies have demonstrated the ability of many drinking 
water treatment processes in common use across the Country to 
achieve significant reduction of microplastics, commensurate 
with other types of regulated particulates.
    However, if toxicity studies ultimately demonstrate that 
some subset of microplastics poses a health risk via a drinking 
water vector, it will be important for water systems to adapt 
and optimize treatment as appropriate.
    The extent to which microplastics may contribute to adverse 
health outcomes is likewise the subject of ongoing research and 
likely various microplastic attributes. Consideration may 
include the size, shape, and material composition of the 
ingested particulates, as well as the ingested quantity and the 
residence time in the human body.
    Relevant human health effect studies are difficult to 
conduct, and such research has not yet established a clear 
indication that microplastics are toxic, a necessary precursor 
to any regulatory action under the Safe Drinking Water Act, 
which requires clear occurrence and health effects data. These 
statutory requirements help ensure that water systems can 
maintain high quality, affordable service in the context of 
their mandate to safeguard public health.
    Accordingly, congressional support for research in these 
areas would be welcomed by the drinking water sector. In 
parallel with this research, exploring and enhancing 
opportunities to divert the sources of microplastics from 
entering the Nation's water supplies could be valuable 
preventative measures.
    Thank you again for the opportunity to provide testimony on 
this important topic. I welcome any questions that you may 
have. Additionally, AWWA will be conducting an informational 
webinar on April 10th entitled Microplastics 2024: Practical 
State-of-the-Science in Drinking Water. Thank you.
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    Senator Merkley. Thank you very much for your insights and 
testimony.
    I am now going to turn to questions. I am going to start 
with the Chair of the Environment and Public Works, Senator 
Carper.
    Senator Carper. Thanks so much, Mr. Chairman. Welcome, one 
and all. I am going to ask the first question, I just want you 
to give me really short answers, OK? We will start with you, 
Dr. Brander.
    You mentioned, I think, in your written testimony that the 
U.S. has the highest prevalence of microfibers in our drinking 
water compared to any other nation. That is pretty amazing. Why 
is that? Just very briefly, why is that?
    Ms. Brander. That is a really good question. It may, in 
part, be because we buy an incredible amount of clothing, and a 
lot of this clothing is generated by companies that promote 
fast fashion. There have been studies showing that our 
consumption of clothing has increased rapidly over the past 
five to 10 years, and that could be contributing, but I do not 
think the exact cause is----
    Senator Carper. If we just buy, maybe, less clothing, we 
could maybe make a difference here. What do you think?
    Ms. Brander. Like others have----
    Senator Carper. I say that with tongue in cheek.
    Next question. In addition to our retrofitting technologies 
in our washing machines to capture microplastics from our 
clothing, are there other innovations that can reduce the 
amount of microfibers in our water systems?
    I really like to find out what works and do more of that. 
If there are other countries and other places where they have 
figured out how to do this better and we could learn from them, 
what can we learn from them, and are there any actions that 
Congress should consider to reduce microfiber shedding? Thank 
you.
    Ms. Brander. Sure. Is that an additional question?
    Senator Carper. It is a two-part question.
    Ms. Brander. Sure.
    Senator Carper. You only get paid for one.
    [Laughter.]
    Ms. Brander. Yes, fair enough. A nonprofit that I 
collaborate with in California is actually looking into 
solutions such as textiles that shed less, as well as textiles 
that are produced from materials like kelp, producing textiles 
from sustainable materials that can also capture carbon. Those 
are solutions that are both being looked into currently that 
could potentially reduce microfiber shedding over the long 
term.
    Senator Carper. Anybody else want in on that second 
question? What can we learn from others with respect to this 
challenge, this problem? Again, I would like to say, find out 
what works, do more of that. Anybody out there, in another 
country, maybe, that is doing a better job than we are?
    Ms. Mason. I do not know if there are other countries that 
are doing better. I think that there are people looking into 
it. Patagonia is another company that is looking into it 
heavily as well.
    I think that there is some important science out there that 
is trying to understand kind of why the clothing sheds as much 
as it does, and are there things that we can do to mitigate 
that. Bio, natural-based polymers are another solution, 
although they still have the same chemicals that are used in 
them, and so that is still a concern, because as they degrade, 
they biodegrade, but they are still toxic.
    Senator Carper. All right, thank you. Mr. Alspach, question 
for you, and maybe for our others. Are there any areas of 
research noted in the draft strategy that the Federal 
Government should prioritize, and are there any further topics 
for future studies on micro and nano plastics not included in 
the draft strategy that the Federal Government maybe should 
consider?
    Mr. Alspach. Yes, I think probably the most important area 
that could require funding is the development of analytical 
methods, as I mentioned in my testimony. As several of the 
other speakers have mentioned as well, we really do not have a 
very good understanding about the occurrence of nano plastics 
in the environment and our water supplies, and until we 
understand that occurrence, we really can not conduct 
meaningful treatability or toxicity studies to really 
understand, in turn, how we should take action about 
microplastics.
    Senator Carper. OK. Dr. Mason, we are not going to let you 
get out of here without a question.
    I think in your testimony, you described an extended 
producer responsibility policy as one of the most powerful 
tools that policymakers have to decrease plastic pollution, 
including the resulting microplastic pollution we see in our 
marine environment. Will you please expand on how extended 
producer responsibility policies can be an effective tool for 
reducing plastic pollution, and subsequently reduce 
microplastic pollution?
    Ms. Mason. From my understanding of how they work, the 
companies are charged for the plastic that they utilize, that 
they produce. They are charged less if they choose a polymer 
that is more easily recycled, like polyethylene or 
polypropylene, versus something like polystyrene or 
polyvinylchloride that can not be recycled.
    Obviously, if they switch away from using plastics at all, 
they are not paying for it. That money then also adds into 
infrastructure for the recycling system, which right now, is 
being borne by the taxpayers, and hence, is consistently 
underfunded.
    This is one of the reasons why the recycling of plastics is 
so bad, because we need better funding mechanisms to support 
the infrastructure around recycling. This is a mechanism to 
provide that support for the recycling industry, while at the 
same time shifting the market to fewer polymers.
    Right now, I mean, another issue we have with recycling of 
plastics is that there are thousands of different polymers that 
are on the marketplace. To recycle them, you have to separate 
them each from each other, and you can not do that through 
mechanical means. You would need FTIR, Fourier Transform 
Infrared Spectroscopy, you need scanners, you need a different 
type of mechanism, and our current recycling infrastructure 
does not have that in place.
    One of the reasons why we have such a hard time recycling 
plastics is the separation of the different plastics from each 
other. If we can reduce the number of polymers that are on the 
marketplace, it enables better recycling, and on top of that, 
you have a funding mechanism to support that recycling 
initiative. Then, you are using, you know, your roles to get 
the outcome that you want from the system that is in place, and 
that is ultimately what we can do.
    As Congress, what you guys can do as Congress, is you have 
systems in place, but you can use your leverage, use your 
different levers in order to produce the outcome that you want. 
Right now, the recycling infrastructure is awful, so extended 
corporate responsibility is a good way to leverage to get the 
outcome that you are looking for.
    Senator Carper. Thanks to each of you.
    Mr. Chairman, my wife studied at the University of 
Tennessee, undergraduate fibers and textiles, and later worked 
for DuPont for 30 some years in the same business, and then 
taught as a professor at the University of Delaware, actually, 
courses that relate to this as well. I do not know how many 
people tune in and look at the reruns of our hearings, but she 
is going to be tuning in tonight, and sends her best.
    Thank you.
    Ms. Mason. Thank you.
    Senator Merkley. Thank you, Senator Carper.
    Senator Mullin?
    Senator Mullin. You make me nervous that my wife is going 
to watch my hearings. She would scold me and correct me all the 
time. I love her, though, deeply, so if you are watching, they 
have been the best 26 years of my life, babe. Just wanted to 
put that one out there before I get myself in trouble.
    Anyways, thank you guys for being here. I am sorry I came 
in a little late. I had an opening statement to thank you guys 
for taking the time out of your busy schedule to inform 
Congress.
    I think we can all say that the desirable outcome is not to 
have microplastics in our water, right? That is what we would 
love to have, but at the same time, when we are starting to 
look at these studies, what we always say up here is follow the 
science, and science always changes.
    As a licensed operator to operate waste and drinking water 
facilities, I understand the challenges that our municipalities 
have to meet today's regulations, which is very challenging.
    Years ago, we had a company called Mullin Environmental, 
where we did a lot of the water treatments. It is constantly 
changing, and the different makeups of the water makes 
different challenges. You can literally go two miles down the 
road and have a complete different makeup of water, that you 
have completely different challenges to make them compliant 
with today.
    As we are moving forward, looking at microplastics, we have 
to be careful that we are not getting ahead of, as we would 
say, the science and burden these municipalities that are 
trying to meet today's regulations to chase something that we 
do not even know the conclusion of, if it is actually causing 
what harm, or if it is causing harm at all.
    I just caution all of us to understand that we have a lot 
of research to do, and I think that is what you guys are doing, 
right? That is what everybody here, we are researching, and we 
are here, and we are searching for what we need to do, but we 
have to be cautious moving forward, too. By focusing so much on 
microplastics, which we should, I am not saying we should not, 
we can distract what these municipalities are trying to do 
right now is make sure it is clean and safe and not causing 
cancers or what chemicals we are introducing are not causing 
harmful reactions to the material that is already in the 
ground, like what we saw in Flint, Michigan.
    I say all that because I want to make sure, as a committee, 
that we are moving with caution and we are going to actually 
pay attention to the science that is leading us down this path, 
which, once again, I repeat myself, thank you guys for the 
research that every one of you guys are doing.
    I am going to call you Brent. I will not mess up on that 
one. Does that work?
    Mr. Alspach. That is fine. Thank you, Senator.
    Senator Mullin. Thank you, and you can call me Markwayne, 
so that way, we do not have to use formal titles, there. Given 
the significant infrastructure investment needed to improve and 
maintain the compliance with current regulatory requirements, 
if water supplies and regulators were to shift their attention 
to microplastics, what other safety priorities might be 
impacted?
    Mr. Alspach. I think, as you suggested, there are a number 
of priorities that utilities are currently contending with. A 
couple that come to mind that are most pressing presently, PFAS 
and lead. Both of those require significant amounts of 
attention and cost to utilities, which then is often passed on 
to their ratepayers, unless there are subsidies available to 
them.
    Diverting attention to something, an additional 
contaminant, whether it is microplastics or anything else, 
would, by necessity, take some amount of energy, time, cost 
away from utilities meeting the regulatory requirements for 
things like that that we know are toxic and we know need to be 
addressed in a very expedient manner.
    Senator Mullin. Just to hit on the lead exposure, too, I 
understand every time we introduce, most of the lead that we 
have in drinking water, they were already coated, and we used 
to use a really natural water filtration system.
    When we started having to get into a more regulatory 
environment where we were cleaning up a different type of 
water, we had to introduce more chemicals, and those chemicals 
then had a reaction to a lot of the piping that we have in the 
ground today. That is kind of my concern that we have today, 
because it erodes the protection coating that was over some of 
the lead piping that was there, and then exposes us. We have 
now more issues.
    We tried to solve one issue, and we caused another problem. 
As I said before, we have to be really careful about the path 
that we are moving toward, because it can have a domino effect, 
especially small, rural areas where they just do not have the 
resources, which is what Senator Lummis and I, we represent 
rural areas.
    We face this all the time in our rural communities. If they 
do not have the resources to just simply build a new water 
treatment plant, it just does not exist. Once again, thank you 
guys for being here, and with that, I yield back.
    Senator Merkley. Thank you very much, Senator Mullin.
    I am going to jump into a couple questions that I hope to 
get quick answers to, but I realize that is hard to do, because 
things are complicated, but a lot of people listening to this 
hearing right now are going, huh.
    Senator Mullin. All five?
    Senator Merkley. All five of them.
    Senator Mullin. Six, it is six now.
    [Laughter.]
    Senator Merkley. Our wonderful audience here, and 
hopefully, our online folks as well.
    Should I be getting a water in a plastic bottle? I see 
heads shaking no. Here is the thing: my understanding is, our 
paper cups, like the one Senator Lummis is drinking from at 
this moment, are also lined with plastic. My understanding is 
our aluminum cans are lined with plastic.
    Over here, we have a blue, can you hold up your blue water 
bottle? I am not sure about that. If it is in fact the case 
that aluminum cans and paper cups are lined with plastic, and 
do they put off fewer particles, or should we be thinking just 
in terms of individual health? Is there some container other 
than glass that does not have a plastic lining?
    Ms. Mason. Are you aiming this at whoever jumps in first? 
Is this a free-for-all?
    Senator Merkley. Dr. Mason, please?
    Ms. Mason. The coffee cups, because typically you are 
putting a hot beverage into that, is going to release more 
microplastics than if you were pouring a cold beverage into 
your container, which probably, if it is stainless steel, does 
not have a lining. Most reusable metal water bottles these 
days, most of them, do not have a lining.
    Your soup at home usually has a lining; if you have orange 
juice, like I grew up on canned orange juice, yes, I remember, 
it tasted like metal because it wasn't lined with plastic. You 
have different extremes for sure, and I think there is more 
science that could be known on that, but preferring certain 
metals, certain containers over others, I think would be 
better.
    Senator Merkley. I do not want to extend the time too much; 
I only have 5 minutes, so I will just take your answer. That is 
helpful.
    I heard, basically, stainless steel may be the way to go. I 
will, for the record, I will followup with some other 
questions, because I would like to know if the amount of 
particles that comes from a paper cup lined with plastic or an 
aluminum can is different than those coming from a water bottle 
and so forth, but that is for the record.
    I want to turn to the human health side of this. In your 
testimony, Dr. Mason, you referred to, did I hear you say 
myocardial damage? Ah, Dr. Brander. That is heart damage, I 
assume. Then also in the testimony, about the impact on sperm, 
on autism, on obesity, and Alzheimer's.
    Are these simply things that we suspect, or are we able to 
have a scientific process now that has really kind of started 
to really give us insight on how much these particles are 
contributing to challenges of human health?
    Ms. Brander. Just like we have done with other contaminants 
over many decades, we have begun using rodents as a model for 
human health for the study of micro and nano plastics. Recent 
studies are pointing to issues like cardiac toxicity, the 
potential for fibrosis, for example, in blood vessels created 
by the presence of these particles.
    In addition to those issues, there is also the potential 
for impact on the microbiome that has been highlighted by a few 
studies. In a study that we did at Oregon State that was 
published in 2023, we dosed drinking water with a low level of 
nano plastics, and mice were exposed to this drinking water for 
24 hours.
    Just after that 24-hour period, we saw a significant 
different in the diversity of bacteria in the gut of the 
exposed mice. You can imagine what that might mean over a 
lifetime of exposure. Those are findings that have been 
published by my group and others.
    Senator Merkley. For those of us who do not follow all the 
health issues, microbiome, we are talking about the bacterial 
growth in your intestines, I assume, and you are saying just in 
24 hours, a low dose, you said, not some high dose.
    Tell me how, you mentioned the impact on human 
reproduction, on sperm counts. We know sperm counts have 
dropped enormously for men, obviously for men, but around the 
world. Are we confident of this link between plastics, and is 
it the plastics themselves, or is it other chemicals that have 
been put into the plastic for hardness, brittleness, 
flexibility, color, and so forth?
    Ms. Brander. Really good question, because in some ways, 
those are two separate issues. Being exposed to a plastic 
particle is a multiple stressor because you are being exposed 
to the chemicals, potentially, that are associated with the 
plastic, but also the particle itself.
    A lot of the chemicals that are used in plastic, the 13,000 
to 16,000 at this point, estimated, are endocrine disruptors 
and directly interact with hormone receptors, and that is shown 
to contribute to decreased sperm production and decreased 
fertility.
    The plastic particles themselves, as Dr. Mason was saying 
earlier, they can cause oxidative damage. They can cause the 
production of reactive oxygen species, and I realize that is a 
lot of terminology, but long story short, that can cause 
cellular damage, and then tissue level damage if it gets bad 
enough. Those processes can also contribute to effects on 
reproduction, microbiome, other important endpoints.
    Senator Merkley. Thank you very much. Senator Lummis?
    Senator Lummis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    My daughter is a little obsessive about the containers that 
she uses in her house for my grandchildren, and I thought she 
was being a little obsessive-compulsive, and now I know she is 
not. This is a real thing, a real concern.
    I want to try and bring it down, Mr. Alspach, to the water 
treatment level. Help me understand how we can do a cost--
benefit analysis that maybe a small water treatment plant in a 
community in Wyoming can get their head around and use to help 
them address this issue.
    Mr. Alspach. You ask a very important question, Senator. I 
firmly believe, as I have indicated in my testimony, that we 
just need more research to be able to even answer that 
question. I do not believe, at this point, that a utility in 
Wyoming could do a meaningful cost-benefit analysis without 
much more information that informs what that analysis would 
ultimately tell them.
    Senator Lummis. OK, so are groups like yours thinking about 
that, getting ready to help maybe a small water treatment plant 
analyze the cost and the benefits?
    Mr. Alspach. Certainly, the cost of treating for 
microplastics is something we could quantify. Whether it is to 
an extent that would be meaningful for health reduction, again, 
that is an open question, but they are particulates, and we do 
have a very good understanding about how particulates, for the 
most part, are removed. Although microplastics have some 
different properties than other particulates. We could quantify 
that for any utility and give some indication of cost.
    Again, that said, there may be other particulates on the 
nanoscale that we cannot yet detect and do not have any 
understanding, really, about how efficacious treatment 
processes are for removing those particulates.
    Senator Lummis. Based on what you know now about this 
subject, how would you tackle it from a policy point of view? 
What would you do first that would have the biggest bang for 
the buck, and then scale it down from there?
    Mr. Alspach. Yes, that is also an excellent question. I 
guess I would give some credit to the State of California, 
which I believe is doing a very good job of approaching this 
topic. I believe when the State passed its bill to give the 
regulators a mandate to look at this process, they didn't go in 
with the foregone conclusion that something should be done 
about microplastics, but with an open mind that it is an 
important question that needed to be addressed.
    With that in mind, they went and developed a definition of 
microplastics, followed by methods, again, which have their own 
shortcomings, but nevertheless, are standardized to the best of 
our ability at this point in time, and with those methods in 
place, they are going to look at source waters to try to 
understand the occurrence.
    With that, hopefully more health effect studies will be 
done in parallel, and then ultimately, when their monitoring 
program has run its course, we hope there will be enough 
information between the occurrence data, the treatability data, 
and the toxicity data to understand whether or not 
microplastics need to be looked at in a drinking water 
treatment context.
    Senator Lummis. OK, I see the gentlewomen on the panel, 
your co-panelists, nodding. Could you address the same issue?
    Ms. Mason. I think he makes a valid point. I think real 
solutions to this problem are much more upstream than the 
wastewater treatment or the water or wastewater treatments.
    That is not where you tackle it. You do not tackle this 
problem when you are dealing with something that is nanosized. 
You deal with it when you are talking about something that is 
big.
    That is why I point to source reduction and extended 
corporate responsibility and a waste and recycling plan. There, 
you are talking about macro items that are easy to gather and 
quantify and obtain, and you are reducing what is ending up in 
the water, the occurrence, and you are not looking at the water 
treatment facilities, telling them they need to clean it up, 
but I can keep doing whatever it is. I want to go into a coffee 
shop every morning and getting my latte in my plastic cup and 
then throwing it on the side of the road, the problem is that, 
right?
    The problem is that when it is at the macro level, and that 
is when you really solve this. You always, when you are looking 
at a problem, you look as far upstream for a solution as you 
can. That is where the real solutions are.
    Senator Lummis. Dr. Brander, would you like to weigh in?
    Ms. Brander. Sure. I would say I completely agree with the 
comments of both of the other panelists. Source reduction is 
absolutely what we need to aim for. That is why the problem of 
plastic pollution is being discussed at a global level right 
now at the United Nations, and that is where the focus is, 
focusing on reducing the number of polymers that are being 
produced, simplifying, chemical simplification, and reducing 
what we are putting out there.
    Once we have these nano-sized particles in the environment, 
you can not go out there with a vacuum cleaner and remove them 
from the environment. We really need to start at the larger 
scale, at the macro scale, to get at this problem.
    Senator Lummis. This glass is made out of a natural trona. 
There are only two places in the United States that have 
natural trona mines. They are Wyoming and California. For my 
Chair and his Ranking Member, let us all use more glass from 
Wyoming and California.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Senator Merkley. Thank you very much, Senator Lummis, and 
from Wyoming to California, we will make that transition.
    Senator Padilla?
    Senator Padilla. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wanted to just 
acknowledge some of the questions and some of the work that 
Senator Lummis and I are doing together, not just on 
addressing, we have talked about clean water, the need for safe 
water, but also water affordability and how a lot of rural 
communities or smaller agencies are able to finance these 
upgrade of infrastructure to address some of these issues.
    Since you invoked the name of my State that I am proud to 
represent, let me brag a little bit more on what we are doing 
in California. I am proud to represent the State that tries to 
lead the Nation when it comes to environmental policy, as Mr. 
Alspach can well attest.
    Plastics are certainly no exception. In California 
communities, plastics are pervasive, with single-use items like 
shopping bags acting like tumbleweeds when you find them in 
beaches and in parks, and frankly, just regular neighborhoods. 
That is why in 2014, the State of California took a step when 
it passed my first attempt at a statewide plastic bag ban. 
Since then, California has continued to lead on landmark 
plastic legislation like the current SB 54, which shifts 
plastic pollution responsibility from consumers to producers 
and bans Styrofoam in cities like San Diego and Los Angeles.
    Now, California continues to pave the way in plastic 
monitoring. In 2022, we have been discussing this, the Ocean 
Protection Council (OPC) released the first statewide 
monitoring program to manage microplastics. The roadmap 
includes setting standards for plastic levels in drinking water 
and testing for these compounds in certified labs across the 
State.
    I know our witnesses are very well aware of the work, but I 
share that with my colleagues and for the record to tee up the 
following questions. No. 1, Dr. Brander, given your previous 
work with the OPC, what lessons can other States and the 
Federal Government learn from this pioneering monitoring 
program?
    Ms. Brander. Absolutely, thank you for the question, 
Senator. I will mention that Oregon has also enacted an 
extended producer responsibility bill and has banned Styrofoam. 
I think that begins next year, so it is really----
    Senator Merkley. Is it better than California's?
    [Laughter.]
    Ms. Brander. We will get back to California. From the OPC 
experience, what I think was critical there was that both 
scientists and stakeholders were involved from the beginning. 
That is really where we need to begin, I think, in every State, 
every discussion of this huge challenge.
    In terms of involving scientists and stakeholders early on, 
I think that helps with the issue of people feeling like 
scientists are giving directives when we do not necessarily 
have the responsibility or the challenges of regulating a new 
contaminant on the ground. I think that was really important.
    Then, the integration of all of the agencies across the 
State was incredibly impressive. Working with the Water Board, 
which is, of course, California's EPA, their Southern 
California Coastal Water Research Project, so many important 
agencies that were able to sort of cut down on the barriers and 
any silos that existed and able to work across any barriers 
that previously existed. I think that was incredibly important 
as well. I think it is a wonderful example to other States.
    The challenge to other States, I think, is the availability 
of resources and being able to compile enough resources to 
tackle such a giant challenge.
    Senator Padilla. We certainly commend the State of Oregon 
for that being up.
    Ms. Brander. Thank you.
    Senator Padilla. I encourage others to do, as well.
    Dr. Mason, can you expand on the challenges that labs face 
in monitoring plastics in water, especially at scale?
    Ms. Mason. Brent did a great job of kind of mentioning this 
earlier, but with plastics, the techniques that exist currently 
are very time and people intensive. As we go to smaller 
particles, which are a bigger concern when it comes to human 
health impact, that adds onto it an additional layer with 
regard to the analytical technique.
    The study that came out of Columbia and Rutgers University 
on bottled water was developing a new Raman spectroscopy 
technique that allowed them to analyze nano plastics, and not 
just to see that there was a particle there, but to say that 
yes, it is plastic, and this is the type of plastic that it is. 
That was critical. We haven't had that technique until January 
2024, but that is one technique, and it is really expensive.
    We have the analytical abilities to analyze for particular 
plastics and identify them, and that is a huge expense on top 
of the fact that right now, we do not have an automated way to 
go about pulling microplastics out of water, so it is really 
human intensive, time intensive, and expensive.
    Senator Padilla. Thank you. I know my time is up, Mr. 
Chair. I just have one followup question for the Californian on 
the panel. Just briefly, Mr. Alspach, can you tell the 
committee a little bit more about the two methods that the 
California State Water Board has approved?
    Mr. Alspach. Sure. The two methods are infrared 
spectroscopy and a Raman spectroscopy method. The major 
difference between those two in terms of practical application 
is the resolution, which is 50 microns for infrared and 20 
microns for the Raman.
    That is important because the smaller you can go with your 
resolution, the better able to detect those nano plastics, 
which are critical for our understanding about this issue in a 
more comprehensive way.
    Senator Padilla. Thank you all very much.
    Senator Merkley. Thank you, and thank you for California's 
work on this issue.
    Let's turn to another ocean State, Rhode Island, the 
Senator from Rhode Island, Senator Whitehouse.
    Senator Whitehouse. Thank you very much, Senator Merkley. 
Thank you to all of the witnesses. This has been a very helpful 
and productive hearing. I always appreciate it when a 
bipartisan panel can produce so much consensus and agreement on 
a particular issue. I thank you for all the work that has led 
to that being the case today, particularly you, Chairman 
Merkley.
    The University of Rhode Island has done a study recently 
looking at the top five centimeters of the sediment in 
Narragansett Bay, which is our main resource and geographic 
feature. We are loaded with more than 16 trillion pieces of 
microplastic, which if we could sort it all out from the 
sediments around it, would be 1,000 tons. We also try to grow 
quahogs in that sediment, and catch fish that feed off of that 
sediment, and so forth. There is a pretty distinct likelihood 
of transit, particularly of nanoparticles, up through the food 
chain. This has a real Rhode Island resonance to it.
    One of the things that I have been working on is trying to 
keep tabs with the U.S. effort in the U.N. negotiations that 
were discussed earlier, and I am interested in hearing your 
recommendations to the U.S. negotiators. Assuming that the 
Senate schedule allows, I will be going up to Ottawa for the 
next meeting. Then, there is the Our Oceans Conference coming 
up in Greece, which will, I am sure, have a fairly significant 
piece on this.
    I remember when President Trump was all excited about 
getting plastics out of the ocean and mad at China for dumping 
it all and all of that, but every time you actually read a 
story, the story was all the other nations of the world 
complaining that the U.S. was the laggard, that we were the 
anchor that they had to drag, that of all the countries in the 
world, we were least productive, helpful and contrastive in 
those international negotiations, so that wasn't so great.
    What would you give, what message would you like me to 
convey to the negotiators when I go and harass them more about 
what the key points are that you would judge as being success 
points or failure points in those negotiations?
    Dr. Brander, let me start with you.
    Ms. Brander. Sure. Thank you, Senator Whitehouse, for the 
question.
    Senator Whitehouse. I will just interrupt to say, I take it 
as a given what Dr. Mason said that bigger is better. You want 
to get it out of the system before it has become nanosized, but 
go on around that.
    Ms. Brander. Absolutely correct. I am a member of the 
Scientists' Coalition, which is a group of international 
scientists that is advising the delegates to the U.N. 
negotiations.
    Senator Whitehouse. All of them? You are advising the 
entire delegate pool, not just the U.S. delegation?
    Ms. Brander. That is correct.
    Senator Whitehouse. Correct, yes. Go ahead.
    Ms. Brander. Yes. A lot of scientists from Europe and Asia 
and other parts of the world.
    Senator Whitehouse. Thank you for that.
    Ms. Brander. Sure.
    In terms of the main critical issues, really, chemical 
simplification, so reducing the enormous amount of chemicals 
that are used in the manufacture of plastics. I think I have 
already quoted the 13,000 to 16,000 number. That is really one 
of the biggest problems that we need to tackle. Simplifying the 
number of chemicals that are used will make circularity, which 
is one of the biggest goals of these negotiations, more 
feasible. Right now, given the number of chemicals that are 
contained in each of those plastics----
    Senator Whitehouse. It is highly improbable.
    Ms. Brander. That is right, and then the new cocktails that 
are created from recycling them is a huge challenge.
    There was a recent paper published that estimated 
healthcare costs from exposure to those plastics-associated 
chemicals in the U.S. is about $249 billion annually, so not a 
small number. That I would say is one of the biggest 
challenges, as well as potentially banning polymers that are 
particularly problematic, like PVC and polystyrene.
    Chemical simplification, polymer simplification, a better 
transparency in terms of corporations making data available on 
the composition of their products.
    Senator Whitehouse. With, for instance, a registry that 
anybody could go and look to?
    Ms. Brander. Yes, a registry. An international registry has 
been proposed.
    Additionally, there is a huge environmental justice issue 
here. Although these practices have been reduced, plastics are 
still being shipped to countries that do not have the waste 
management capabilities to deal with them. That is another, the 
environmental justice, human rights issue is a huge overriding 
issue.
    I think what the feeling is on the perspective from the 
U.S. is that there is a lot of support for fossil fuel 
companies that are aiming to shift their business from 
producing fuels to producing plastics, right?
    Senator Whitehouse. Right.
    Ms. Brander. We know natural gas. That, I think, is one of 
the biggest challenges in the U.S., is that the perception, 
that we are supporting this shift in business strategy of 
fossil fuel companies to producing more single-use plastics.
    Senator Whitehouse. Well, the Chairman is familiar with my 
observation about the fossil fuel industry, that they have 
essentially two business strategies. One is to produce fossil 
fuel, and the other is to control Congress and manipulate 
politics so that they can do so, violating the laws of 
economics that would otherwise require them to put the price of 
their pollution into their product. Milton Friedman is scowling 
down at them.
    Chairman, it is up to you. I have gone over my time 
already, if you wanted to allow the other two to answer, or if 
you want to wait for a second round, I am at your disposal.
    Senator Merkley. If you have additional to answer on this 
question, and then I do have more questions, and I suspect you 
might as well?
    Ms. Mason. I just support what she said.
    Senator Whitehouse. She covered it?
    Ms. Mason. She covered it, yes.
    Senator Whitehouse. Mr. Alspach?
    Mr. Alspach. Likewise, I am not nearly as familiar with 
this as Dr. Brander is, so I appreciate her comments.
    Senator Whitehouse. OK. I will flag one last thing, which 
is that there is, Unilever, it is quite a big company that we 
have worked with for a long time, and they have come up with a 
proposal that I think kicks in this coming year, where it will 
be their pledge, their plan, to remove from the ecosystem a 
pound of plastic for every pound of plastic that goes out into 
the world, which among other things, creates a market for that 
plastic.
    To go to the places, to your point, Dr. Brander, about 
economic justice, to the places where this stuff is piling up 
so that they are knee-high wrack lines of plastic along shores 
and you have to push your boat out through floating seas of 
plastic to get out to clear water, suddenly, it makes a lot 
more sense to clear that up. Even if it is not being properly 
and fully recycled, at least it is out of those people's 
immediate experience.
    To put money behind that, to be able to buy that waste 
plastic in order to make good on your pledge, seems like sort 
of the corporate front line on this, too. I hope American 
companies take the lead, follow, and match that.
    Thank you, Chairman.
    Senator Merkley. I was thinking about a couple years ago, 
when the Potomac River flowed over the walking path south of 
the U.S. Marines Monument, I noticed people out along the trail 
with these little pliers picking up. I got down and looked, and 
in any square foot, you could see like, 100 or 200 pieces of 
little plastic, indicating to me how much plastic there was in 
the Potomac River as it flushed out to sea, just a massive 
amount. These were the visible version of the world.
    Then, I was also thinking as you were talking back when I 
was developing affordable housing and the spec plans called for 
copper pipe, and the contractor suddenly brought in plastic 
pipe. I said, wait, wait, wait, it is not specced that way. It 
is specced for copper.
    I didn't have any indication, I had not thought about 
plastic as a pollutant to drinking water. Instead, I was 
concerned about whether a plastic pipe would hold up. They 
brought in a demonstration where they took a torch to the 
plastic pipe and showed it didn't melt, and so on and so forth, 
that it had all been cleared. It was hugely beneficial for 
human health, and now I am going, hmm, maybe not.
    You just mentioned PVC. There is a slightly different 
version that is used for water supply pipes, but are water 
supply pipes made of plastic a good idea? If either of you have 
an insight on that.
    Ms. Mason. You are going to put me in the hot seat, thanks. 
No.
    Senator Merkley. OK, no.
    Ms. Mason. Short answer, no, not a good idea. Beyond 
Plastics, actually, has a really nice article out, a 
whitepaper, excuse me, out on this topic.
    To be honest, I am not sure that it is the first thing that 
I would tackle with regard to this issue. It is a concern, and 
it is a legitimate concern. As pipes are being replaced because 
of the issues around lead, it would be preferable to replace 
them with copper over PVC or something similar.
    Senator Merkley. As we are talking about this, it seems to 
me there is just a huge amount of research that needs to be 
done here. In different scenarios, different types are plastic 
are shedding different amounts. Different types of containers 
are shedding different amounts.
    The type of plastic that is being shed is different. The 
ingredients that have been added to the plastic formulation for 
other qualities are different. For us to try to get a handle on 
the underlying question raised by our colleague from Wyoming of 
where do you get, that produce the most results per buck, if 
you will.
    Is NIH, National Institute of Health, fully in gear in 
terms of investing in our health, understanding our health 
research? You mentioned, Dr. Brander, mouse models in a 
controlled setting where you can really measure the impact much 
more. You mentioned gut health being measured. Are some of the 
other impacts like obesity, Alzheimer's, heart disease, autism, 
sperm counts, are we starting to have studies of mice that 
start to give us a kind of really clear understanding of the 
health impacts?
    Ms. Brander. Sure. I will say that the National Institute 
of Health did issue a statement, I believe it was about a year 
ago, saying that more resources were going to be devoted to 
better understanding the impacts of micro and nano plastics. 
That being said, most of the research that has been done on 
mammalian models, rodents, mice and rats, so far has been done 
in Asia or Europe, because there is more funding in those parts 
of the world for studies on human health.
    It is still, I would say, in the U.S., studies using rodent 
models are still in their infancy. We have really just begun in 
the U.S. on answering some of those questions. We do have data 
from other parts of the world that suggest reproductive, 
microbiome, digestive effects, and cardiovascular effects.
    Senator Merkley. I think that is extremely important, 
because otherwise, any given observation on human health, there 
are so many influences, so we need that laboratory setting to 
gain understanding. Of course, that is why we have the National 
Institutes of Health, is to help invest in significant human 
health issues, and this is an area that really is in the 
beginning phase of understanding that there is a big connection 
here to be explored.
    We are closing in on the end of a vote, but I really 
appreciate all three of you raising the issues.
    Is he on his way here to the committee? Do we have staff 
for Senator Sullivan? How far out? How much time do I have on 
the vote? We will see if I can stall a little longer, but I can 
not miss the vote. It is not really stalling, because there is 
so much to be explored here.
    Mr. Alspach, you mentioned developed systems for measuring 
the amount of micro and nano plastics. That seems critical to 
our understanding here of how particles are shed and how much 
gets into us. Dr. Brander and Dr. Mason, is it just in the last 
couple years that we have really had the tools to start to 
understand this shedding process and the amount that is getting 
into our human bodies?
    Ms. Brander. I really think that it is just over the past 
couple of years that we have started to better understand human 
exposure and human occurrence. In part, that is because the 
technologies to measure nano plastics are slowly coming online, 
things like pyrolysis, GCMS, which is a fancy way of saying you 
are pyrolyzing a sample and measuring the mass of particles 
that might be in there.
    Yes, it is a new area of study, and I think we are also 
just starting to understand how easily those particles can 
translocate and move within our bodies, as well.
    Senator Merkley. Should we quit putting plastic pacifiers 
in our babies' mouths?
    Ms. Brander. Probably, yes.
    Senator Merkley. OK.
    On that, Senator Sullivan has worked really hard on 
environmental ocean issues. As another ocean State Senator, you 
see a dominance of ocean State Senators raising issues and 
concerns here. Welcome, and we will turn it over to you. I may 
have to have you close up if I have to run to vote, if you 
wouldn't mind.
    Senator Sullivan.
    [Presiding.] No problem. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for 
holding this open for me, a really important hearing.
    I know that Senator Padilla was in here. He and I have been 
working on this issue before he even was a Senator, in a 
bipartisan way. I want to thank the panelists.
    For those watching, we had a big announcement in Alaska 
last week. Hopefully, you heard about it. I want to make sure 
the Chairman hears about it before he leaves. In our Save Our 
Seas 2.0 legislation, that was legislation that a number of us 
got behind, Senator Whitehouse and I were the leads on that, 
the most comprehensive ocean cleanup legislation ever from the 
Congress.
    One of the things is a Marine Debris Foundation. The Marine 
Debris Foundation is a congressionally chartered foundation 
that focuses on ocean cleanup, plastics, and other marine 
debris. Last week, I had the great pleasure of announcing that 
the Marine Debris Foundation would be headquartered in Juneau, 
Alaska in collaboration with our universities there that do 
already great ocean research. This will be a public-private 
partnership that can accept private dollars.
    There is a lot of interest in this in the private sector. 
We want to make sure you guys all get a chance to come out as 
this foundation gets bigger, more prominent on the issues that 
we are all talking about, ocean debris, ocean plastics, and 
what we can do to keep our oceans clean.
    This is a global challenge, I like to say, but also a 
solvable one, because we know that the estimates are anywhere 
from 60 to 70 percent of all the ocean debris in the oceans in 
the world come from a number of rivers, the estimates are ten 
or more, in Asia and Africa. It is very solvable.
    Let me ask each of you, you know there is this idea of what 
we have banned, plastics or other things. Here is the big idea. 
By the way, this Marine Debris Foundation has as one of the 
elements in the law that we will have a Genius Prize that 
focuses on public-private university innovations in terms of 
technologies that can dramatically impact keeping our oceans 
clean.
    One of the ideas I have always been pressing for is this 
idea of, you have a plastic bottle, somehow it gets in the 
ocean. You do not want it to be, but it is. It has water, it is 
how people drink clean water.
    That bottle right now, they do not fully biodegrade. That 
is why we have microplastics in the water, but I know there are 
chemists in America who are working on the potential of a 
plastic water bottle to fully biodegrade. That would be a huge 
innovation. It wouldn't be coming from the government, but that 
is something that this Marine Debris Foundation, now in Alaska, 
with its mandate of many things, but one of which is a Genius 
Prize, would be something to undertake.
    Let me ask all of you, what do you see, and since the 
Chairman left, I can ask questions as long as I want, so this 
is kind of nice, there is no one else waiting for me. What do 
you guys see as the technological advancements and innovations 
that can be leveraged to either detect microplastics or just 
get rid of them when they are in the ocean?
    I will just ask each of you on that really important 
question. What do you see, and you are all top professors, 
applied researchers, this is the key, right?
    A lot of times, we in the Senate, oh, the government is 
going to do this, the government is going to do that. My view 
is, this challenge, which is going to be solved, it is 
solvable, it is going to be through private sector innovations. 
This new Marine Debris Foundation, based in Alaska, is going to 
help encourage that.
    Why do not we start with you, Dr. Brander?
    Ms. Brander. Sure. That is really encouraging.
    Senator Sullivan. Have you guys heard of the new Marine 
Debris Foundation in Juneau, Alaska? I hope you have. You have 
to come out and visit it. We will wait for it to get a little 
bigger, but it is exciting.
    Ms. Brander. It is really exciting that that foundation has 
been created. I agree that private sector solutions are needed, 
but I think that needs to happen under an umbrella of some 
regulation that allows for things to happen at an equitable 
level and at a similar speed nationwide, rather than happening 
State by State or region by region.
    In terms of the development of a plastic bottle that could 
fully degrade----
    Senator Sullivan. Or any other technological innovation 
that, if you had a magic wand, you think could be really 
important. That is one idea I have been pushing, but we want 
other ideas, right? What are the other ideas? This foundation 
is going to help encourage all of this thinking.
    You are three of the top minds on this. What is your magic 
wand moment in terms of a technological innovation that could 
be really helpful?
    Ms. Brander. I think if there was a technological 
innovation that could better advance chemical simplification in 
some of these plastic products that were being made, that would 
greatly reduce the number of toxic compounds that are being 
released into the environment that we are being exposed to.
    Currently, we have been relying on so many different 
combinations of chemicals that even if something is fully 
biodegrading, that does not mean that it is not releasing those 
toxic compounds into the environment. Really the toxicity of 
the polymers and the products that are being used, or the 
chemicals that are being used to produce those products, needs 
to be tackled first before we aim at making things biodegrade 
faster or biodegrade completely.
    Senator Sullivan. OK, good. That is a great answer.
    What about you, Dr. Mason?
    Ms. Mason. I concur with what you said, which is probably 
no surprise. We have been on the same page this whole day.
    Senator Sullivan. Think big here. This is the moment, 
right? Any big innovation that, even if it is way out there, 
that you think, if somebody figured it out, would have a giant 
impact.
    Ms. Mason. I think the problem needs to be, you missed 
earlier, which is fine, I am not criticizing you, I am just 
stating that, like earlier, I mentioned that the solution to 
this is before you get to the oceans and other freshwater 
systems, by the way, because this is not just an oceans 
problem, it is before you are dealing with microplastics and 
nano plastics.
    Really solving it as almost the litter, before litter 
problem is the real innovation that needs to happen with a 
focus on the biggest piece of the market is packaging, and so 
thinking about alternatives to the packaging. I think there are 
some alternative, second-generation polymers that are being 
developed, and I think that that is encouraging to the point 
that Dr. Brander was making, the chemicals that are used in 
those are still an issue, and so those chemicals need to 
change.
    I think those are especially exciting for something like 
cars or refrigerators, things that where the use of plastics, 
you know, cars are much more fuel efficient because of the 
plastics that have been used in them. It is not a place that 
you can, you are not going to just eliminate the plastics, but 
coming up with a biodegradable, nontoxic plastic would be 
really helpful there. I think that that is the future.
    They are also looking at hydrogels as a way of removing 
nano and microplastics as a potential. I think cleanup comes 
secondary to really solving the problem upstream from that.
    Senator Sullivan. The Save Our Seas 2.0 Act focuses a lot, 
hopefully you have read it and seen it, focuses a lot on the 
upstream, so I do not disagree with you at all on that. Both of 
you are kind of saying biodegradability is important, but less 
toxicity is equally important. OK? Good, great.
    Mr. Alspach, what about you?
    Mr. Alspach. Thank you. I appreciate the information about 
Juneau, and I would take any available opportunity to visit 
Juneau anytime I can reasonably do so.
    Senator Sullivan. Good. It is a beautiful place. I just 
spent the last 3 days there, and it is wonderful, and they are 
very excited about this new foundation and the leveraging.
    We have a huge NOAA research facility in Juneau, we have 
the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, which has their College of 
Fisheries and Oceans, the University of Alaska Southeast. It is 
kind of becoming a big research hub on fisheries, on oceans, 
and this will add to that, which will now be on ocean debris.
    You guys are all invited. In fact, everybody here is 
invited. Come on up to Alaska. We would love to have you.
    Mr. Alspach. A couple points to your question. First, with 
respect to the biodegradation of something like a water bottle, 
I believe that the technology to do that probably already 
exists in a number of facets, but the problem is not the 
technology, in this case. It is the scalability of that 
technology for industrial processes that make it economical.
    I believe the private sector can do that, as long as there 
is an economics market to make an incentive to do so.
    Senator Sullivan. Don't you think, if you are the company, 
and I have said this a lot, if you are the company that 
actually, maybe it has already happened, but if you are the 
company that has cracked the code on less toxicity and full 
biodegradability, A, I think that would be very good for the 
environment, but B, that company is going to probably profit, 
which, as I have said, we are a capitalist society.
    I think that is how you drive innovation. That is fine with 
me, right? That is a win-win, right? You help the environment, 
maybe you help build a company. The workers benefit, 
shareholders benefit. It seems to me it could be a potentially 
very lucrative place to actually be successful, not just for 
the environment, but for the economy, as well.
    What do you think?
    Mr. Alspach. I agree, unless they need to make it scalable 
so that it is able to be accomplished, correct. In terms of my 
wish list for technology----
    Senator Sullivan. Yes, wish list.
    Mr. Alspach. I sincerely appreciate that question a lot. We 
have talked on this panel a lot about nano plastics and the 
lack of methods to detect nano plastics. There is detection, 
period, and then there is making the method economical and 
reliable and efficient, and things that make it usable for us 
to actually detect nano plastics in the environment and in 
water supplies.
    We will talk a little bit about, in my field, about the 
evolution of sensor technology and how if we were able to 
quickly, with some kind of, and I will use this word 
colloquially, Star Trek type technology, to scan a water sample 
or scan an air sample or a soil sample and detect the nano 
plastics that are present, that would give us a little----
    Senator Sullivan. Does that technology exist right now, or 
not?
    Mr. Alspach. To the extent that I have described it, no, 
but this is actually where I am going with this point. When I 
have conversations about these types of sensors with people in 
my field, they will says, well, we are so far away from that. 
That is not feasible.
    We tend to think, as a society, in very myopic terms about 
what is possible and what is not. If you had asked something 
in, say, 1875 if we could put a man on the moon, they probably 
would have said there is no way that is ever going to happen, 
but yet, we did it.
    I think we should not limit ourselves based on our 
knowledge of what is possible today what might be possible 
tomorrow. I feel like one way to accomplish that is to 
encourage cross-disciplinary collaboration among researchers 
and industry, because there could be limitations on a method to 
detect nano plastics that an industry that is not even thinking 
about nano plastics might have a solution for.
    All you need to do is connect those dots to get those 
people talking to each other, and they might find they have a 
mutual solution that can solve the problem. If more of that 
cross-disciplinary collaboration occurs, we may solve that 
problem maybe before I retire, as opposed to when my daughter 
retires.
    Senator Sullivan. Good. Well, look, what we are trying to 
do in Alaska, particularly in Juneau on this issue, is this 
kind of cross-disciplinary collaboration. We have the 
institutions right now, as I mentioned, between NOAA, our 
research universities, and this new foundation, the 
congressionally chartered Marine Debris Foundation, to do that.
    Then the idea in the legislation with our Genius Prize, is 
to also do exactly that, to encourage people to press the 
limits on what they think is feasible from a technological 
standpoint, and then bring that period much sooner. To your 
point, 1875, getting to the moon less than a 100 years from 
that date is pretty remarkable.
    Great. Any other thoughts on the technological side before 
I gavel out here, from our witnesses? It is a really important 
component. You guys have answered the questions really well.
    With that, I want to close by again thanking our witnesses 
for appearing today and sharing their knowledge on 
microplastics. I would also like to thank Senators Merkley and 
Padilla and Mullin and Lummis for being the chairs of this 
joint hearing, which is important, on this important topic.
    Before we adjourn, I ask unanimous consent to submit for 
the record a variety of materials that include letters from 
stakeholders and other materials that relate to today's 
hearing. Without objection, so ordered.
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    Senator Sullivan. Additionally, Senators will be allowed to 
submit written questions for the record for all of you through 
the close of business on Tuesday, March 12th. We will compile 
these questions for the record and send them to our witnesses, 
and we will respectfully ask all of you to try to reply to 
those no later than March 26th, Tuesday.
    With that, again I want to thank the witnesses. We have a 
really good crowd here. It shows you the importance of this 
very important topic. I think we made some good progress today.
    With that, the hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 4:31 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
  

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