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                BACK TO SCHOOL: SHEDDING LIGHT ON RISKS
                  AND HARM IN THE PRIVATE STUDENT LENDING 
                  AND SERVICING MARKET

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                                HEARING

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                            SUBCOMMITTEE ON
                  FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND CONSUMER
                               PROTECTION

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                              COMMITTEE ON
                   BANKING,HOUSING,AND URBAN AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

                                   ON

          EXAMINING THE RISKS AND HARM IN THE PRIVATE STUDENT 
                     LENDING AND SERVICING MARKET

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                           SEPTEMBER 17, 2024

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            COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS

                       SHERROD BROWN, Ohio, Chair

JACK REED, Rhode Island              TIM SCOTT, South Carolina
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey          MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
JON TESTER, Montana                  MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
MARK R. WARNER, Virginia             THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts      JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland           BILL HAGERTY, Tennessee
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada       CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming
TINA SMITH, Minnesota                J.D. VANCE, Ohio
RAPHAEL G. WARNOCK, Georgia          KATIE BOYD BRITT, Alabama
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania         KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
LAPHONZA R. BUTLER, California       STEVE DAINES, Montana

                     Laura Swanson, Staff Director
               Lila Nieves-Lee, Republican Staff Director

                      Cameron Ricker, Chief Clerk
                      Shelvin Simmons, IT Director
                       Pat Lally, Assistant Clerk

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     Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Protection

                   RAPHAEL G. WARNOCK, Georgia, Chair
         THOM TILLIS, North Carolina, Ranking Republican Member

MARK R. WARNER, Virginia             MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts      CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland           J.D. VANCE, Ohio
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada       KATIE BOYD BRITT, Alabama
TINA SMITH, Minnesota                KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania

                Adam Finkel, Subcommittee Staff Director

           Ryan Adams, Republican Subcommittee Staff Director


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                      TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2024

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Opening statement of Chair Warnock...............................     1

Opening statements, comments, or prepared statements of:
    Senator Lummis...............................................     3

                               WITNESSES

Aissa Canchola Banez, Policy Director, Student Borrower 
  Protection Center..............................................     5
    Prepared statement...........................................    21
    Responses to written questions of:
        Chair Warnock............................................    62
Beth Akers, Senior Fellow, American Enterprise Institute.........     7
    Prepared statement...........................................    44
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Kennedy..........................................    69
Dalie Jimenez, Professor of Law and Director, Student Loan Law 
  Initiative, University of California, Irvine School of Law.....     9
    Prepared statement...........................................    46
    Responses to written questions of:
        Chair Warnock............................................    69

              Additional Material Supplied for the Record

Letter submitted by CBA..........................................    70



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                BACK TO SCHOOL: SHEDDING LIGHT ON RISKS
                  AND HARM IN THE PRIVATE STUDENT LENDING 
                  AND SERVICING MARKET

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                      TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2024

                               U.S. Senate,
  Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs,
       Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer 
                                                Protection,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met at 2:30 p.m., via Webex and in room 
538, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Raphael G. Warnock, 
Chair of the Subcommittee, presiding.

         OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIR RAPHAEL G. WARNOCK

    Chair Warnock. Good afternoon. This Subcommittee will come 
to order. Welcome to today's hearing of the Senate Banking 
Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Protection.
    Today's hearing is in a hybrid format, but our Members and 
our witnesses are all here in person. We are grateful for their 
presence and your willingness to participate.
    Today, this Subcommittee will examine the consumer 
protection risks and harms of private student loans, including 
the roles of lenders, both banks and nonbanks, that are 
operating in this space. We will also examine ongoing 
challenges that millions of Americans are still experiencing 
with their student loan servicer.
    Today's hearing will be the first time in a decade that the 
Senate Banking Committee has focused on private student loans, 
a growing and opaque financial option that students are using 
to help pay for the rising cost of college. Collective student 
debt continues to rise with the Federal Reserve finding 
Americans collectively owe more than $1.74 trillion in debt to 
the Federal Education Department or to private lenders. $1.74 
trillion. This number has risen every year, except for 2023. 
And of that total, $133 billion is owed to private lenders in 
the form of private student loans, including more than $5.6 
billion in the State of Georgia.
    The Biden-Harris administration has recognized the weight 
that an excessive student loan burden can have on Americans 
and, to date, the Biden-Harris administration has announced 
nearly $170 billion in relief for almost five million 
borrowers. However, these are only federally backed student 
loans, and borrowers continue to report issues with their 
private loans. While we are not expecting the CFPB's 
Educational Loan Ombudsman's annual report until next month, 
information we already have shows that the CFPB received more 
than 15,000 complaints from September 1, 2023, to August 30, 
2024, related to private student loans and Federal student loan 
servicing.
    My staff and I have analyzed some of these complaints from 
borrowers. And when looking through the complaints, you are 
struck by the sheer scope and magnitude of the problem. Private 
lenders and servicers routinely misled or deceived borrowers, 
and the stories are frustrating and heartbreaking. Confusing 
processes, poor customer service, and just a genuine failure of 
many lenders and servicers to work with struggling borrowers. 
With numbers that high, it's easy to forget that there is an 
entire life and a story behind each of these complaints. These 
are real people with families, and these are real consequences.
    I'll share just one example from a borrower in Atlanta, 
Georgia, who holds private student loans. This person had 
attended a for-profit college that has been found guilty of 
misleading students about the employment and the earning rates 
of their graduates. Because of this fraud, the individuals' 
loans should have been eligible to be discharged. However, 
their lender denied their discharge. Think about that. This 
person was a victim of lies on the front-end of the process. 
They had already selected a school based on untruths about that 
institution, and then they were deceived into enrolling and 
taking out a loan based upon a false premise.
    Not only did their lender refuse to cancel their fraudulent 
loans, which the law requires, they then refused to share 
information on how to file an appeal or respond in any way to 
this Georgian in need. Real people, real problems, real 
consequences.
    And so I also submit this packet of horror stories from 
borrowers with private loans collected by the Project for 
Predatory Student Lending for the record. And without 
objection, this is so ordered.
    There are more than $10 billion in private education loan 
originations last year, an increase from $6 billion in 2011. 
Private student loans are currently estimated to be more than 7 
percent of the total student loan market. And although private 
student loans represent a relatively small portion of the 
student debt landscape, borrowers seem to have more and more 
issues with them. Taking data from October 2022 through 
September 2023, the CFPB Student Loan Ombudsman report found 
one in four complaints filed to the CFPB about student loan 
issues was from borrowers with a private student loan. So think 
about that: only 7 percent of student loan volume are private 
student loans, but those private student loans make up 25 
percent of loan complaints. That indicates a serious consumer 
protection problem in private student lending.
    Today's hearing will also touch on some of the ongoing 
challenges with student loan servicers, generally private 
companies that collect payments from and provide customer 
service for both Federal and private student loan borrowers, 
and it could not come at a more timely moment.
    Just last week, the CFPB announced Navient, a giant student 
loan servicer, would be banned from servicing Federal student 
loans again and forced to repay $100 million to borrowers the 
company harmed. Navient also must pay a $20 million penalty. 
While this settlement still must be finalized by the court, it 
sends a strong message to other servicers that they cannot 
profit from harming student borrowers.
    In April, my colleague, Senator Elizabeth Warren, held a 
hearing highlighting harmful practices by the student loan 
servicer MOHELA. This hearing highlighted a decades-long 
pattern of mismanagement and misconduct that harmed millions of 
borrowers nationwide. Because of institutional failures of 
servicers, like Navient and MOHELA, borrowers faced real-world 
consequences, including paying more than they should have, not 
being directed toward loan forgiveness programs, or even having 
their accounts mismanaged to the point that their credit scores 
lowered, making it harder for them to buy a home and build 
wealth.
    I believe that when we center the people, we make better 
public policy. So as we approach today's hearing, I think it's 
important for us to center the experiences of student loan 
borrowers and bring ourselves back to when we were looking at 
different colleges, I remember that experience, and trying to 
make likely the biggest financial decision of our lives up to 
that point. This is a real issue for all students, but, as a 
first-generation college graduate myself, I know what it's like 
to face that and face those questions.
    The process is complex and, often, these days, deliberately 
opaque. Many nontraditional students have to navigate this 
financial maze without the help or support of a parent, and 
they may, in some cases, be busy parents themselves. These are 
massive financial decisions, the equivalent of a mortgage, and 
sometimes a risky bet on their futures with massive 
consequences that may follow them for decades. We owe it to 
students to ensure that those bets pay off and that the game 
isn't rigged against them by predatory, unfair, deceptive, or 
even abusive behavior from private student loan lenders and 
student loan servicers. We owe students who are just trying to 
get ahead, trying to be productive citizens, better.
    I hope today's hearing helps improve transparency around 
student lending and that it brings accountability for the 
private lenders and student loan servicers that have too often 
misled and harmed borrowers. Indirectly, they harm us all.
    Thank you. And I will now turn to my colleague, Senator 
Lummis, for her opening statement.

         OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS

    Senator Lummis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm sitting in for 
Senator Tillis, who was called away in a family emergency. And 
so thank you for tolerating my presence as your sidekick today, 
and thank you, witnesses, for being here.
    You know, when I came to Congress initially in the U.S. 
House in 2009, there was an entity in Wyoming called the 
Wyoming Student Loan Corporation. And it was extremely 
successful in servicing student loans and helping keep their 
delinquency rate around 5 percent and their failure to pay rate 
down around 2 percent. It was incredible, and it was because 
they'd catch students when they just were starting to miss 
payments or pay partially and they would work with them to help 
them budget and keep on track with their student loans.
    The Wyoming Student Loan Corporation was dissolved as part 
of Obamacare because, during Obamacare, that's when the current 
student loan situation was pretty much taken over by the 
Federal Government. So Wyoming's Student Loan Corporation was 
dissolved, its employees went away, and the Federal program has 
not been as successful as Wyoming Student Loan Corporation was. 
So we're back at a point where Wyoming has done a better job, 
the Federal Government is doing a dismal job, and now we're 
picking up the pieces.
    We're meeting today to examine the student loan market, 
particularly the markets and servicers for private loans. But I 
want to add some important context for this hearing. Based on 
the prepared testimony of two of the witnesses here today, 
Professor Jimenez and Ms. Canchola Banez, you may use this 
hearing to voice support for universal free higher education, 
and you're well within your rights to do so. I respect you for 
being forthcoming with your beliefs. But I want to stress that 
I really oppose this point of view. The student loan system and 
our education system more broadly is already plagued by many 
issues. Universal free higher education would accelerate these 
chronic problems.
    Take for insurance the Biden-Harris administration student 
loan executive actions. The Biden-Harris administration has 
used executive actions to invent legally dubious student loan 
forgiveness, modify income-driven repayment plans, extend and 
reextend a 41-month long repayment pause during COVID, and 
other debt relief measures.
    Combined, the Biden-Harris administration has cost the U.S. 
taxpayer $870 billion to $1.4 trillion in higher education 
expenses. In just 4 years, Biden has exceeded the $744 billion 
the Federal Government spent over the cumulative span on higher 
education from 1962 to 2019. In other words, from when I was 8 
years old until the present, all the money that was spent in 
that period of time was spent by the Biden administration in 
just 4 years. That's lighting money on fire.
    Turning to the focal point of this hearing more directly, 
the conversation around private student lending misdirects 
attention from the more significant structural issues within 
our student loan system, the Government system. These issues 
include rising tuition costs and the shortcomings of Federal 
student loan programs. From the outset, it's critical to note 
that the private student loan market accounts for only 8 
percent of outstanding loans, and a super majority of loans are 
Federal loans. Additionally, many of the laws and regulations 
in place to safeguard consumers against financial harm, 
including the Truth in Lending Act, provisions against unfair, 
deceptive, or abusive acts or practices, and many others not 
only apply to the Federal loan market or, rather, the private 
loan market but exceed the requirements on Federal student 
loans.
    Any assertion that the private loan market writ large is 
some sort of Wild West out there without rules and safeguards 
is simply untrue. While individual cases of malfeasance 
certainly exist in the private loan market, as they do in any 
market, private lenders fill a crucial gap in higher education 
financing and equip borrowers with the tools to meet the 
barriers to education in place today. Demonizing private 
lending ignores the reality that loan servicers offer tailored 
solutions for borrowers when Federal programs fall short. Put 
simply, private loan lenders provide more information about 
their products to borrowers, offer loans with greater 
constraints and risk-based metrics, and deter over-borrowing to 
a much greater degree than Federal public loans.
    The Biden administration's politically motivated and 
legally dubious student loan forgiveness schemes have 
complicated the student loan landscape, increasing confusion 
and failing to address the root causes of skyrocketing tuition. 
Loan servicers have had the rules of the programs and the terms 
of their contracts rewritten and rewritten again by the Biden 
administration month after month. No organization could 
effectively operate in such a climate.
    Instead of focusing on private lenders, Congress should 
look to improving student financial literacy, simplifying 
financial aid offers, and promoting transparency around student 
outcomes. That's why I worked with Senator Barrasso to 
introduce the Transparency in Student Lending Act, which would 
require institutions of higher education to disclose annual 
percentage rates, standard terms, and fees on Federal loans to 
borrowers before disbursements.
    The Federal student loan system is unsustainable and, 
without meaningful reform, these political piecemeal executive 
actions will continue to exacerbate the problem, not resolve 
it. Private lending is not the root cause of the student debt 
crisis but a market-demanded supplement.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you. I look forward to questioning the 
witnesses about this important topic, and I yield back to you.
    Chair Warnock. Thank you very much, Senator Lummis, for 
your opening statement. Now let us turn to our witnesses. 
Testifying today will be Aissa Canchola Banez, the policy 
director from the Student Borrower Protection Center. Next, I 
want to welcome Dr. Beth Akers, a senior fellow at the American 
Enterprise Institute. And, finally, our third witness is 
Professor Dalie Jimenez, professor of law at UC Irvine School 
of Law, director of the Student Loan Law Initiative and co-
principal investigator at the Debt Collection Lab and the 
Financial Distress Research Project. We appreciate your 
testimony, and I look forward to our discussion.
    Ms. Banez, I will turn first to you.

  STATEMENT OF AISSA CANCHOLA BANEZ, POLICY DIRECTOR, STUDENT 
                   BORROWER PROTECTION CENTER

    Ms. Canchola Banez. Thank you very much. Chairman Warnock, 
Ranking Member Lummis, Members of the Committee, thank you for 
the opportunity to testify today. My name is Aissa Canchola 
Banez, and I am the policy director for the Student Borrower 
Protection Center. Our mission is to alleviate the burden of 
student debt for millions of borrowers across the Nation. It's 
an honor to take part in this hearing today, the first in more 
than a decade solely focused on the harms of the student loan 
market.
    Combating the student debt crisis is a critical racial and 
economic justice issue. Originally created as a tool for social 
and economic mobility, student loans were supposed to grant all 
families, regardless of race and economic status, the chance to 
unlock the promise of a higher education. But for too many 
student debt has become a life sentence, holding borrowers back 
from buying a home, starting a small business, and even 
starting or growing a family.
    Yet, the national headlines have overlooked the smaller, 
yet growing, levels of private student lending and the 
companies that profiteer off of keeping families and students 
in debt. It's estimated that Americans owe more than $134 
billion in outstanding private student loan debt. While this 
amounts to, roughly, 8 percent of the total student loan 
market, it's now larger than the payday loan market and the 
balance of all outstanding past-due medical debt.
    While other consumer finance markets, like mortgage and 
credit cards, have robust data transparency, the absence of 
comprehensive data in the private student loan space has too 
often left borrowers, policymakers, and advocates in the dark. 
This has allowed for significant gaps in protections for the 
millions of Americans forced to take on private student loan 
debt and has made it harder for policymakers and law 
enforcement officials to protect borrowers.
    Lobbyists push claims that private student loan repayment 
rates and borrower outcomes are largely positive, failing to 
capture the lived experiences of borrowers, especially those 
from historically disenfranchised communities. For example, 
research has found that nearly half of Black private student 
loan borrowers with bachelor's degrees reported falling behind 
on a student loan payment, a rate ten times higher than their 
White peers. Students attending for-profit schools are more 
likely to rely on private student loans, more likely to face 
poor labor market outcomes, and more likely to struggle in 
repayment. And CFPB complaints show that older consumers who 
now make up the fastest-growing segments of private student 
loan borrowers are showing signs of higher rates of distress 
compared to their younger borrowers.
    When private student loan borrowers fall behind, they are 
left at the mercy of their lenders and struggle to access 
relief and justice. During the COVID-19 pandemic, private 
student loan borrowers were excluded from Federal relief and 
left to fend for themselves, and this is due to the lack of 
comprehensive consumer protections for private student loan 
borrowers. These borrowers have limited options to modify their 
payments during periods of distress and co-signers struggle to 
access promised release even after years of repayment. They 
also face challenges accessing relief from their lenders after 
being defrauded by their school and even after successfully 
having their loans discharged in bankruptcy.
    CFPB complaints further affirm these ongoing challenges 
that borrowers face. Last year, a quarter of all student loan 
complaints related to private student loans.
    But, unfortunately, this is only the tip of the iceberg. In 
recent years, we've seen a growing and lightly regulated market 
of so-called shadow student debt. These products have 
proliferated, seeking to capitalize on students and families 
struggling to cover the skyrocketing cost of college. Shadow 
student debt consists of personal loans, lines of credit, buy 
now pay later debt, income share agreements, institutional 
debts owed directly to schools, and several other financial 
products tied to education and workforce training. Many of 
these products stem from the desire by policymakers and schools 
to embrace innovative ways to help students and families pay 
for college, but a series of investigations and lawsuits reveal 
that this debt and credit exposed borrowers to high fees, harsh 
contract terms, and abusive collection tactics that empower 
profiteers and push families further into debt.
    It is long past time to shed light on the risks and harms 
of this market and rein in the abusive practices that have been 
allowed to go on for far too long. For families crushed by 
student debt, the stakes could not be higher. Proposals, like 
the right-wing Project 2025, seek to keep borrowers drowning in 
debt. But don't take my word for it. Take theirs. Page 285 
calls for the elimination of the Department of Education. Page 
354 calls for making it even harder for defrauded borrowers to 
have their loans discharged. Page 361 calls for the elimination 
of the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program and income-
driven repayment cancellation after 20 years. And page 353 
calls for the complete privatization of student lending 
programs.
    These policies will wreak havoc on borrowers, throw more 
Americans into the private market, and lock our most vulnerable 
students out of higher education altogether. Thank you.
    Chair Warnock. Thank you, Ms. Canchola Banez. Next, we will 
hear from Dr. Akers, Dr. Beth Akers.

  STATEMENT OF BETH AKERS, SENIOR FELLOW, AMERICAN ENTERPRISE 
                           INSTITUTE

    Ms. Akers. Good afternoon, Chairman Warnock, Senator 
Lummis, and distinguished Subcommittee Members. Thank you for 
the opportunity to testify today on the issues and concerns 
facing private student loans and servicers, as well as the 
state of Federal student lending.
    At present, there are more than $1.74 trillion in student 
loans outstanding in the U.S. economy. This is a massive amount 
of money that represents serious liabilities for millions of 
borrowers across the United States who are grappling with the 
process of repayment. This massive amount of outstanding debt 
also represents a tremendous liability to taxpayers. This is 
the result of President Biden's efforts to cancel student 
loans, which, if allowed to be implemented, will transfer that 
enormous liability away from borrowers who took on the debt and 
on to taxpayers, many of whom never enrolled in college.
    In contrast, private student loans make up just a small 
share of that outstanding debt. At present, $133 billion of 
that total amount were borrowed from private lenders. The 
Federal student loan program and the associated portfolio of 
outstanding loans are in complete disrepair due to efforts from 
the Biden administration to cancel student loans, despite no 
legal pathway to do so. But the private student loan industry 
is a well-functioning consumer credit market. Borrowers with 
private student loans are largely successful in repaying their 
debts. Recent reports from industry suggests that the vast 
majority of borrowers are in good standing on their loans, and, 
as we all know, repayment rates on Federal student loans are 
poor.
    A loan program that fails to collect the debt it issues 
should hardly be considered a loan program. Instead, the 
Federal loan program is functioning as a convoluted and opaque 
system of subsidies that encourage inflationary pricing from 
institutions and discourages thrift among borrowers.
    Private student loan origination and servicing both for 
Federal and private loans hasn't been perfect. Lending 
institutions and those that service loans are fallible, but 
private entities supporting student lending in any capacity 
don't deserve the ire of lawmakers looking for a quick fix or 
even a scapegoat for what is happening more broadly in student 
lending. In fact, there are many ways in which the private loan 
market could offer a model for how the Federal loan program 
could be reformed to operate more effectively and efficiently.
    The private student loan market is highly regulated, as it 
should be. Young people who use student loans at high rates can 
be naive to the tradeoffs involved in different financial 
instruments, so it's imperative that lenders comply with high 
standards when it comes to consumer education and disclosure 
requirements. Private lenders are currently held to standards 
that exceed the disclosure requirements that are mandated in 
the Federal lending program. This likely contributes to the 
success in repayment seen among private student loans.
    That said, there is room for improvement. For example, we 
should reconsider the treatment of private student loans in 
bankruptcy. Student loans are somewhat remote from eligibility 
for discharge during bankruptcy. Discharge of student loans 
does happen during some bankruptcy proceedings, but the 
standards for eligibility are opaque and too strict.
    I anticipate that the tone of the hearing today will 
reflect a general skepticism about private-sector participation 
in student lending. There seems to be a persistent sense among 
left-leaning observers that profit-seeking has no place in 
education at any level. In contrast, I believe that growing the 
role of the private sector could offer a solution to many of 
the challenges we are currently facing and have written as 
much, particularly in the arena of graduate student lending in 
a recent report.
    Servicers of Federal student loans are often villainized by 
those concerned with the plight of borrowers holding Federal 
student debt, but the actions taken in recent years by the 
Biden administration have taken a difficult job and made it 
practically impossible. Like all of us, servicers and Federal 
student lenders make mistakes, some more than others. But if 
our goal is to put in place a lending program that is likely to 
succeed administratively, then the steps taken to complicate 
and manipulate the lending program, often on short notice, are 
definitely steps in the wrong direction.
    I'm deeply concerned on behalf of taxpayers about the 
exorbitant expense of these recent interventions and concerned 
on behalf of Americans about the lawless nature in which the 
Administration is attempting to enact them. But I am mostly 
deeply concerned about the trajectory for higher education in 
the U.S. The way that the Biden administration has intervened 
in the marketplace for higher education has effectively 
deteriorated any incentives that college and universities 
previously had to charge prices that are in line with the value 
that they provide. Likewise, students who were previously 
incented only to borrow what they needed and expected to repay 
would be wise to exploit the taxpayer-funded subsidies that 
are, unfortunately, now free for the taking.
    I'm grateful that the Subcommittee has taken the time to 
delve into these issues facing higher education and look 
forward to future action taken by Members of this Committee to 
pass legislation that would rectify the challenges we face. I 
thank you again for the opportunity to be here today and share 
my testimony, and I look forward to your questions.
    Chair Warnock. Thank you. Next, we will hear from Professor 
Jimenez.

  STATEMENT OF DALIE JIMENEZ, PROFESSOR OF LAW AND DIRECTOR, 
 STUDENT LOAN LAW INITIATIVE, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, IRVINE 
                         SCHOOL OF LAW

    Ms. Jimenez. Chairman Warnock, Senator Lummis, and Members 
of the Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to speak to 
you today. My name is Dalie Jimenez. I'm a professor at the 
University of California Irvine School of Law, where I co-lead 
the UC Student Loan Law Initiative.
    Over the last decade, the private student loan industry has 
transformed. After declining during the financial crisis, the 
industry is back and reinventing itself in ways that demands 
our close attention. New financial products have emerged, 
offering alternatives to traditional loans, but they come with 
added risks that we're only beginning to understand. Many are 
offered by schools that provide dubious value in return for 
costly credit.
    One concerning practice is the explosion of tuition payment 
plans often marketed on school websites as, quote, not a loan 
and promising, quote, no debt. This is misleading. These plans 
include enrollment fees, late fees, and other charges. Some 
avoid Truth in Lending disclosures by structuring themselves as 
short-term credit while others simply disregard the law.
    Students wishing to avoid debt may choose these plans over 
Federal loans, not realizing they are sacrificing important 
protections and still incurring a debt. In some cases, they may 
be automatically enrolled if their financial aid is delayed. In 
2022, we found students at California public institutions were 
saddled with almost $400 million in institutional debts in just 
the first 2 years of the pandemic.
    When students can't repay these debts, the consequences 
escalate quickly. Institutions impose interest, prevent 
reenrollment, or withhold transcripts, hindering students from 
continuing their education or securing employment. These 
punitive actions are not just wrong, they're sometimes illegal. 
For example, despite laws banning transcript withholding due to 
debt, many schools continue to this practice, even stating on 
their websites that they withhold transcripts today.
    I also want to highlight the rise of shadow student debt 
typically associated with vocational programs and boot camps. 
We're seeing an explosion of schools promising to, quote, 
change your life in a few months. Students are urged to finance 
these programs by pledging a share of their future earnings, as 
high as 14 percent of their pre-tax income, for several years. 
Despite CFPB action against some of these income-share 
providers, new ones continue to emerge. These programs 
disproportionately target women, minorities, and those who 
started but did not complete college, groups that already face 
significant barriers to economic advancement.
    In my last few minutes, I want to highlight how abuses in 
our legal system exacerbate the challenges faced by student 
borrowers. Since 2005, private lenders have enjoyed special 
protection, making their loans difficult to discharge in 
bankruptcy, causing confusion because not all student debt is 
entitled to this treatment. Lenders may exploit this confusion 
by settling already discharged claims and forcing borrowers to 
waive future rights, as I have found in my research. Congress 
should treat student loans like other consumer debts, making 
them dischargeable when a bankruptcy judge has ordered it.
    Struggling borrowers often face State court lawsuits. Even 
when debt collectors fail to comply with legal requirements, 
judges grant them judgments, often adding high fees and 
interest. These abuses of the legal system compound borrowers' 
financial hardships and trap them in cycles of debt.
    It's crucial that we proactively address potential risks to 
consumers with private student loans. I urge the CFPB to take a 
more hands-on approach in this market. Specifically, they 
should create a registry of financial services firms involved 
in private student lending. We don't know enough. This would 
include the traditional lenders you're familiar with, as well 
as new entrants, like I've been talking about. And they should 
issue market-monitoring orders to the largest providers of both 
traditional and shadow student debt to gather information. By 
these actions and others I outline in my written testimony, we 
can better understand the risks and protect students and their 
families from unfair, deceptive, or abusive practices.
    Private student loans can be a stop gap, but they're not a 
sustainable solution if what we care about is equitable access 
to education. If what we want is everyone who wants an 
education, who wants to improve their lives, has an opportunity 
to do so, regardless of their background, regardless of how 
they were born, regardless of their wealth, their credit score, 
or the wealth of their family or the color of their skin, if 
that's what we want, if we want an educated populace, we have 
to invest in education directly, not through loans, not by 
putting the risk on students to pick a program to improve their 
lot in life when the labor market may be stacked against them.
    We must directly invest in education. We have to address 
the entrenched disparities affecting marginalized communities. 
Thank you for your time and attention, and I welcome your 
questions.
    Senator Warren. Thank you, Professor Jimenez. Now we're 
going to go to questions, and Senator Lummis is going to start.
    Senator Lummis. Thank you, Madam Chairman. And I understand 
that Ms. Jimenez was one of your students when you were 
teaching, and it's always lovely to have those relationships 
reestablished here in Washington. So congratulations to both of 
you.
    Dr. Akers, private student loans account for only about 8 
percent of the outstanding student loan payments, so how can 
they be the primary cause of the student debt crisis?
    Ms. Akers. In fact, I don't think they're the primary cause 
of the student loan crisis.
    Senator Lummis. So should we be focusing instead on flaws 
in the Federal loan programs and tuition costs?
    Ms. Akers. I think there's plenty that we could be talking 
about that are issues in the Federal student loan program that 
would go a lot farther in helping more Americans who are, in 
fact, truly struggling today. So I do believe that the focus 
today is misguided in talking about the private student loan 
market.
    Senator Lummis. OK. So name the top two, as you see it, in 
terms of issues you think are more dispositive.
    Ms. Akers. My core concern at this point is the trajectory 
of higher education pricing and borrowing based on the recent 
interventions. That is, we have made it so people can borrow 
without responsibility of repaying, which means that, as 
institutions, there's no responsibility to charge prices that 
are in line with value and there's no responsibility for 
borrowers to borrow loans that they anticipate repaying. This 
puts us on a real downward spiral, and we have major 
interventions that will be necessary to undo the damage that's 
been done.
    Senator Lummis. What do you think would be the benefits of 
looking at improving financial aid transparency?
    Ms. Akers. I think it's a fantastic step. I mean, it's a 
piece of a broader puzzle. We know that when people are 
enrolling in college they have relatively little information 
about the decisions that they're making; and, yet, they're 
signing on the dotted line anyway. Some of that is because 
we're made a culture of celebrating college as this golden 
ticket to financial prosperity that I think has done a 
disservice, so we need to encourage people to be more skeptical 
about the degrees that they're paying for and also put in front 
of them the information that would help them understand whether 
or not they're making a strong investment in their future.
    Senator Lummis. Do you think we should scale back Federal 
lending programs?
    Ms. Akers. I have major concerns about the, essentially, 
limitless nature of borrowing in the graduate student loan 
program. So if I were to be given the ability to make changes 
myself, that's where I would start and scaling back the amount 
of debt that's available to graduate students.
    Senator Lummis. And you alluded to this in response to my 
last question, ideas for promoting accountability among 
colleges to prevent these runaway tuition costs.
    Ms. Akers. So, right now, we have colleges who have 
continued access to Federal student aid, that's Pell grants, 
that's access to loan dollars, who are continually putting 
students out into the world after their enrollment without the 
ability or really the preparation to earn an income that would 
make their loans affordable to repay. We need to hold colleges 
to a higher standard. My feeling is that the Federal Government 
needs to look at the earnings outcomes, the employment 
outcomes, at institutions, at programs of study, and demand 
that institutions who are not producing results for their 
students no longer have access to those Federal student aid 
programs, so, essentially, cutting off Federal dollars to 
institutions that are not serving students.
    Senator Lummis. OK. Turning back to the student and perhaps 
their families, parents or other responsible people, working 
together, how can Congress work to help ensure that students 
and families are making informed responsible decisions about 
how much debt they can carry and whether the career path 
they're considering is going to help them pay back that loan 
eventually?
    Ms. Akers. There was a big step forward during the Obama 
administration on transparency around data and student 
outcomes. I think we need to eliminate the restrictions on the 
unit record data system that would allow us to have even better 
data to tell how previous students at different institutions 
and programs of study have fared. And so I can certainly 
imagine a bipartisan path forward that would be lifting that 
restriction and making transparency better for students and 
their families.
    Senator Lummis. One of the really difficult things in the 
ranching business that I grew up in is students that go to 
veterinary schools, the tuition is really high. And if you go 
into small animal, your dogs and cats and other small animals, 
in an urban area, you're probably going to get good return and 
be able to pay back your loan. If you're doing large animals in 
rural America, you're not. You're not going to make very much 
money.
    And so I do think it's important that there be mechanisms 
when Federal dollars are involved to help advise people that 
there are certain career paths that are just not going to pay 
in a way that allows one to have a decent lifestyle and still 
repay their student loans.
    The other thing that's going to be interesting as we go 
forward is the effects of artificial intelligence because we 
know now that AI is going to have a greater effect on white 
collar jobs than on blue collar jobs and in a good way. The 
assistance that's going to come from artificial intelligence to 
help people read diagnostics in health care is going to 
transform the ability of physicians and health care providers 
to make critical diagnoses, whereas the blue collar worker who 
is actually repairing that diagnostic machine is always going 
to be needed. And so those are the kind of things we probably 
also need to be looking at going forward.
    I do want to thank the witnesses so much for being here. 
And once again, congratulations, Student Jimenez. Your 
professor is very proud of you. I yield back, Madam Chairman.
    Senator Warren. Thank you very much. Thank you, Senator. So 
for nearly a decade, I've led investigation after investigation 
into student loan servicer Navient for its appalling 
mistreatment of borrowers. In 2015, I called on the Department 
of Education to crack down on Navient for cheating military 
families. In 2017, I raised the alarm about Navient's $155 
million expansion into the private student loan market. In 
2019, I urged the department to fire Navient. And those are 
just the highlights. Oh, and in 2021, in the first banking 
Subcommittee hearing that I chaired, I questioned Navient's CEO 
about the servicer's failed record.
    Later that year, Navient finally left the Federal student 
loan system, and I was proud to help deliver that long overdue 
win for borrowers. But that was not the end of the road.
    Ms. Canchola Banez, you're an expert on the student loan 
system. After Navient exited the Federal student loan system, 
were borrowers free from misconduct?
    Ms. Canchola Banez. Unfortunately, no, Senator. And you're 
right. The ending of Navient's Federal contract was a huge win 
for borrowers and would not have been possible without your 
fierce advocacy and fight on behalf of borrowers. But, 
unfortunately, Navient has remained a player in the private 
student loan space and continues to do so to this day. In fact, 
today, it manages private student loans for more than 2\1/2\ 
million borrowers.
    Senator Warren. So in the early 2000s, Navient, which was 
then known as Sallie Mae, conspired with fraudulent for-profit 
schools to push predatory private loans onto students who 
Navient knew were likely to default. Thirty-nine State 
attorneys general later sued and Navient agreed to cancel $1.7 
billion of predatory loans, but there was a catch. The 
settlement only applied to borrowers who had already defaulted. 
So Navient got away with spending only $50 million in relief, 
having promised $1.7 billion, and they left tens of thousands 
of borrowers eating dirt.
    This year, I launched an investigation into Navient's 
failure to cancel the rest of these predatory private loans. 
And in response, Navient told me that it was, quote, committed 
to addressing valid school misconduct claims. Ms. Canchola 
Banez, you work with student loan borrowers every day, so I 
just want to ask, I'm going to ask you to put this one 
together. On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate Navient's 
cancellation process for these predatory loans so far?
    Ms. Canchola Banez. I would rate it a zero, Senator.
    Senator Warren. Wait. The scale was 1 to 10, so you're 
going for zero even so.
    Ms. Canchola Banez. I'm going zero. Absolutely.
    Senator Warren. OK. Explain why.
    Ms. Canchola Banez. You know, we've seen the Department of 
Education try to streamline these types of cases for misconduct 
and providing relief for borrowers with Federal student loans. 
Navient had the opportunity to create an automatic accessible 
process to provide this relief for private student loan 
borrowers. Instead, it created a process that's incredibly 
complex and that everyday borrowers struggle to access.
    Senator Warren. So there's the deal, right? They could have 
just canceled the way they promised. It would have been easy. 
But they make a lot more money if they make it really hard for 
people to cancel.
    Now, just last week, in response to my investigation, 
Navient provided data about its cancellation process for the 
first time. Navient told me that it sent applications to about 
4,000 borrowers even though at least 65,000 of its borrowers 
attended for-profit colleges. Even more shocking, of the 1,000 
applications that it has processed so far, Navient has rejected 
800.
    In defending the predatory student loans it made, Navient 
CEO said, and I quote, private student loans are made in good 
faith. Now, Professor Jimenez, you are an expert in consumer 
protection law. Is that a fair characterization of Navient's 
record on private student lending?
    Ms. Jimenez. Not at all. Not at all, Senator. Navient knew 
that it was making loans to people who couldn't repay. Their 
CEO, in 2007, is alleged to have said in court documents that 
he said, quote, if the borrower can create condensation on a 
mirror, they need to get a loan this year. They knew what they 
were doing. Navient now has the responsibility to discharge 
these loans and to do it as quickly as possible for the 
millions of students who are suffering.
    Senator Warren. Republican extremists want to return to the 
days where borrowers were just at the mercy of predatory 
servicers, like Navient. The Biden-Harris administration has a 
different vision. Last week, after years of dogged work, the 
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau entered into a historic 
settlement with Navient, delivering $100 million of relief to 
cheated borrowers and permanently banning Navient from the 
Federal student loan system. It is long past time for Navient 
to do the right thing by their countless defrauded borrowers 
and cancel out these loans for the private student loan 
borrowers, as well.
    I want to thank you for being here, and I want to thank the 
Chairman for holding this hearing. It's very important, and I'm 
going to give you back your seat.
    Chair Warnock. Thank you. Thank you very much, Senator 
Warren. Recognizing now Senator Scott.
    Senator Scott. Thank you, sir.
    Chair Warnock. The newly wedded Senator Scott.
    Senator Scott. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Extending my time beyond 
the 5 minutes in order to respond to the statement about me 
being newly married, I will say that this ring here weighs more 
than it appears to weigh. A weight of responsibility. That's a 
great sign actually because, in fact, you take up the marriage 
process and ceremony, the wedding itself, and you come to the 
conclusion it's a weighed responsibility and I thank God 
Almighty that I've had the opportunity to engage in it at 58 
years young. It will take me a little while to get to my 50th 
anniversary, but that's OK by me. I'll be 108. Thank you so 
much, Chair Warnock.
    It's a simple concept. You take out a loan, you pay it 
back. I'm not sure where the confusion is on that. Frankly, I 
think the cost of higher education may be debatable whether 
it's good or bad, but one thing is without question: the ROI on 
your college education is pretty darn strong in America. And, 
frankly, the desire to see colleges move toward free, 
interesting concept, you look at States like Tennessee where 
you can get your first 2 years of college free at their local 
college community schools, and those assets or those credits 
transfer to the 4-year schools. In South Carolina, if you go to 
some of our local community colleges, those credits transfer to 
Clemson and Carolina or to other public schools in the State. 
That's an easy way for States to do what I believe is a State 
and local responsibility: manage the resources within their 
States and not put that onus on the backs of the Federal 
Government.
    Ms. Akers, thoughts?
    Ms. Akers. I tend to agree with you. The average net cost 
of enrollment at community college is negative based on the 
existing subsidies to higher education at this point. I think, 
in fact, the ROI is, on average, very large and positive. So, 
in fact, people who get in and go through college and finish 
their degree are getting a fantastic deal, not to say we 
shouldn't have safeguards for people who borrower and don't get 
that return. But, on average, the system should work well if we 
were supporting it with policies that, in fact--we're buying 
into the idea that we would have a lending program in place.
    Senator Scott. The low-delinquency rate for private loans, 
less than 4 percent, compared to over 12 percent for Federal 
loans, demonstrates their effective role in managing financial 
risk. Do you agree with that statement and would you----
    Ms. Akers. Yes. So part of the problem of the Federal 
student loan program is that, by design, there is no 
underwriting that takes place. What that means is that we have 
decided that we're going to make everyone eligible for the same 
amount of credit, regardless of their prospects of being able 
to pay in the future. The advantages that private student loans 
have is that, in fact, they don't make the decision, so it's 
the underwriting that ensure that these loans are, in fact, 
affordable. We haven't done that and, if there is a predatory 
lender in this space, I think there's an argument to be made 
that it's the Federal Government.
    Senator Scott. Thank you. Another question for you, Ms. 
Akers. Wouldn't it make more sense for us to focus on 
comprehensive reforms, like improving financial aid 
transparency, scaling back Federal lending programs, and 
promoting accountability among colleges to prevent runaway 
tuition costs?
    Ms. Akers. Absolutely. I feel like we are at a point today 
where we have dissolved the functioning of the program because 
of all of the incremental reform. We're overdue for a 
reauthorization of the Higher Education Act that should 
basically refine and simplify the program, put in place a 
single lending program, tough accountability standards on 
colleges, maybe even an expansion of the Pell grant program, 
but basically reinvest in this idea that people are borrowing 
to be able to make investments themselves that they can pay 
back to taxpayers in the future.
    Senator Scott. I think it was 2010 when Congress passed 
legislation that capped a borrower on the public student loans 
at 10 percent of their income. Based on that 10-percent cap, 
plus I think it was a 15-year or 20-year ultimate repayment 
window, the fact of the matter is that already in existence is 
a system where the average borrower will likely not pay back 
what they've borrowed. That unpaid balance doesn't just 
disappear like magic. It actually goes on the backs and 
shoulders of other folks.
    Ms. Akers. In fact, I think it's a misnomer to talk about 
student loan forgiveness or student loan cancellation. In fact, 
we should be using the terminology that this is a transfer of 
debt to taxpayers who are now on the hook to pay for these 
unpaid balances.
    Senator Scott. The way I look at it, and I've said this 
several times, I'm the first college graduate in my family, and 
I thank God that I've had the opportunity to go to college and 
to graduate. I think about the whole student loan debacle 
brought to us by the Biden administration of recent, trying to 
cancel a trillion dollars' worth of student loan debt, the one 
thing I keep asking myself, why is it OK for my mother who 
never made more than 20 bucks an hour to be responsible to 
carry a part of the burden for people who make six figures 
annual salaries. I don't understand the fundamental unfairness 
of transferring to someone something they never signed for or 
transferring away from someone that they actually signed up 
for.
    Ms. Akers. I think that's absolutely the case. And probably 
my fellow witnesses here at the table would be quick to point 
out that not everybody who has gone to college is, in fact, in 
that position of financial privilege. But it's worth revisiting 
what you just put on the table, that, in fact, there were 
existing programs that ensure that anybody who had a student 
loan 10 years ago that was unaffordable to them did not have to 
repay it. So, in fact, there was fairness in the previous 
system. I would argue and agree with you today that we are 
moving away from fairness.
    Senator Scott. Thank you.
    Chair Warnock. Thank you, Senator Scott. I think I'd like 
to push further on this question about repayment, bankruptcy, 
and related issues. Congress wrote the U.S. bankruptcy law, in 
part, to help people get a fresh start from loans and other 
financial obligations when borrowers cannot pay. Declaring 
bankruptcy is not an option undertaken lightly, and it does 
come with lasting consequences, like the ability to access 
credit in the future.
    Professor Jimenez, you've written extensively about the 
2005 Federal bankruptcy law that generally blocks people with 
student loans from discharging these debts in the normal 
bankruptcy process. Can you help us understand what Congress 
was thinking when it chose to strip bankruptcy rights away from 
people with student loans almost 20 years ago?
    Ms. Jimenez. Yes. Thank you. The alleged concern, as much 
as you can find on the record, was that students would get 
loans, graduate, and then file bankruptcy as quickly as 
possible. This was a boogeyman that was not based on facts at 
all. There has never been any evidence of widespread abuse by 
student debtors in bankruptcy ever. Any individual cases that 
have been pointed out to were actually found because the 
bankruptcy judges threw out the bankruptcy. That's the system 
working as it should. Student loans do not need special 
protection in bankruptcy.
    And at the time the provision was added, banks promised 
they would bring down the cost of student loans for everyone. I 
wrote two papers, as you mentioned, about this with economists 
at the CFPB, and we found that this just wasn't true. Students 
didn't save any money at all on the cost of private student 
loans, and banks just took the windfall and moved on.
    Chair Warnock. Thank you so much. I think that adds color 
and insight to this conversation, and it's particularly 
concerning when you think that it didn't save anything for 
borrowers in general. But it's particularly concerning with 
private student loans because it's not like taxpayers are on 
the hook for these debts if they're not repaid. So with all due 
respect to my colleague, in the case of private student loans, 
it's not his mother who would be taking on his debt. This 2005 
provision was simply Congress doing the bidding of rich 
lenders, rather than centering students.
    In the decade since CFPB released its 2012 report on 
private student loans, has there been any effort to restore 
bankruptcy rights for these borrowers?
    Ms. Jimenez. There have been a couple of bills. I think I 
testified at a hearing for one 5 years ago, but that's as far 
as we've gone.
    Chair Warnock. Thank you. I believe it's time for Congress 
to repeal this harmful 2005 provision, and I'd welcome my 
Republican colleagues to join us in this effort. I know my 
colleagues, Senators Durbin and Warren, have been working on 
this issue for years, and I look forward to sponsoring and 
working with them to pass legislation to repeal this harmful 
provision. It's past time.
    Study after study has shown that students of color, 
especially Black students, disproportionately borrow more often 
to pay for college, have to borrower larger amounts, and have a 
harder time repaying their loans due to institutional 
disparities in wealth. A 2021 report from the Center for 
American Progress found White households with high school 
degrees, White households with high school diplomas, have 
$150,000 more in wealth, on average, than Black households with 
a college degree.
    Routinely, in this Committee, I highlight generational 
wealth through home ownership. However, there is more to 
building wealth than owning a home, especially if you're too 
deep in student debt to buy the home in the first place.
    Professor Jimenez, who is most likely to be harmed by 
abusive practices from student loan servicers or misleading or 
opaque marketing language from private student loan lenders?
    Ms. Jimenez. It's absolutely the people who needed to 
borrow to go to school, and they needed to borrow because we 
decided that borrowing is the way that we will invest in higher 
education in this country at the same time that we essentially 
require, the labor market requires people to go to college in 
order to get ahead. And those people are much more likely to be 
Black, Brown, and also female.
    Chair Warnock. So is it fair to say that these abusive 
practices actually widen the racial wealth gap?
    Ms. Jimenez. Absolutely. Absolutely. And what's been 
proposed here by my colleague, Dr. Akers, would only ensure 
that this continues. If the Federal Government moves away from 
funding higher education, which it could do by loans like it's 
doing now or it can do in a different way, as in actually 
directly investing grants, if we leave it up to the private 
market, then the loans will be given, if they are given at all, 
with bad terms to the people who come from disadvantaged 
backgrounds.
    Chair Warnock. Thank you so much. And, again, as a first-
generation college student and college graduate, I'm wondering 
how a private lender would have assessed my risk and ability to 
pay.
    With that, I turn to Senator Cortez Masto.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. And thank you to the 
Chairman and Ranking Member for having this hearing. I 
appreciate the comments so far from the panelists.
    I'm curious do you all agree with the fact that there is 
happening right now harmful and predatory practices in the 
private student loan market? Do you all agree with that? In the 
private market. Yes? Does anybody disagree with that? OK. I 
agree with that, as well. And as somebody who was a former 
attorney general, I saw it. And you just have to go into your 
State and talk to so many people that see the harmful 
practices.
    Now, with that said, is there room improvement in the 
Federal loan process? Absolutely. I agree with that, as well.
    One thing I want to talk about, though, and I do think 
there is a need for Federal student loans, as well, and one of 
them is the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program. There are 
benefits to the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program. One of 
them is what the Ranking Member talked about when she talked 
about the lack of some veterinarians in rural communities. How 
do we incentivize them to go to these rural--I know in my rural 
communities a lot of lack of professionals, health care 
professionals, as well. One way to incentivize is student loan 
forgiveness, and I think it does work.
    What I'm curious about, however, and I know for Public 
Service Loan Forgiveness Program, after 10 years of dedicated 
service, public service, it could be you're in a rural 
community giving a public service or you're an urban area 
firefighter, you're a health care worker, you're a military 
member, right, there is an opportunity to get that service, if 
you work 10 years, that loan forgiven. However, if you are 
doing a public service job and you have a student loan from the 
private market, that cannot be forgiven. Isn't that correct, 
Ms. Canchola Banez?
    Ms. Canchola Banez. That is correct, Senator.
    Senator Cortez Masto. And is there concern about the 
transparency in that? Do you think students understand that? Do 
you think individuals, when they're going and obtaining these 
loans, is there enough transparency that they understand the 
distinction between the two?
    Ms. Canchola Banez. There certainly is not enough 
transparency, and we saw this very prominently when the Biden-
Harris administration announced its PSLF waiver back in 2021. 
SBPC heard from numerous borrowers just completely shocked, 
floored, that their private student loans did not qualify for 
PSLF. And it was life-changing for them. Maybe they had taken 
on this loan under the assumption that it would qualify for 
PLSF or were given some of this information.
    In fact, there is a Federal lawsuit currently that alleges 
that call center representatives at the student loan servicing 
giant MOHELA were actively steering Federal student loan 
borrowers into refinancing with a private company by the name 
of Laurel Road. This company conveniently works with MOHELA to 
service those refinanced loans, as well, and the plaintiff in 
this lawsuit was a public service worker who ultimately lost 
eligibility for PSLF by refinancing. She was misled to believe 
that her eligibility would remain. She didn't figure it out 
until it was too late, and she lost her complete pathway to 
relief for her student loans.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Perfect example. Harmful predatory 
practices in the private sector, correct?
    Let me jump to another area that I think is just as 
important, and, Ms. Jimenez, let me talk to you about it. In 
order to understand the impact private education loan lenders 
are having on our students, we have to understand the scope of 
the marketplace, and I know you have a lot of data there. Can 
you elaborate on the transparency or lack thereof in the 
private student loan marketplace? And what data are we missing? 
What do we need to know to help to shed light on this and bring 
this transparency and education to individuals?
    Ms. Jimenez. We need a lot. We need a lot. In 2012, the 
CFPB did a report on private student loans, and that's the last 
time we had a comprehensive look at the industry. And it has 
changed a lot since then, so over 12 years. We have estimates, 
133, 134, 94, billion dollar estimates of the market. And it 
also depends on what you define as a private student loan. 
We've been talking about shadow student debt. Those shadow 
student loans are not accounted when we're talking about the 
delinquency rates, the low delinquency rates that have been 
quoted.
    So we need a lot more information than we have now just to 
understand what we're looking at.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Well, and it's true. In school year 
2022, over $10 billion in private student loans were out there 
for students. $10 billion. $10 billion industry. And we know 
whenever there is money involved, there's going to be some sort 
of harmful or predatory activity happening.
    I appreciate the conversation. One final thing, to our 
incredible Chairman, one thing I want to highlight is, 
unfortunately, it seems to be that our military are always the 
targets because of the benefits that they get, and they seem to 
be at the top of the list of those that want to prey on them. 
One of the things that Senator Moran and I have done is to 
introduce a piece of legislation called the Ensuring Military 
Access to Higher Education Benefits Act of 2024, which 
automatically would enroll former and current servicemembers in 
PSLF so they are not taken advantage of for the very reasons 
that Ms. Canchola Banez talked about. I would welcome all of my 
colleagues to join both Senator Moran and I on that piece of 
legislation.
    Thank you again.
    Chair Warnock. Well, thank you so very much, Senator Cortez 
Masto. And Georgia is a big military State, so I share your 
concern in that regard.
    Much of what we've covered today has focused on the need 
for greater transparency, and so let me just ask the question 
directly as we prepare to close. I'll start with Ms. Banez. 
What sort of data would be helpful for Congress, regulators, 
and the public to have in order to get the clearest picture of 
the state of the market and to properly hold lenders 
accountable? We could close with that question to you.
    Ms. Canchola Banez. Of course. We need comprehensive data 
that spans bank lenders, nonbank lenders, new entrants across a 
multitude of origination, long-term outcomes, as well as debt 
collection practices, to really be able to do this apples-to-
apples comparison that borrowers, that advocates, that 
policymakers really need in order to spot harmful trends in 
real time.
    I would also suggest that, you know, Congress consider 
legislating a national education debt registry, as my 
colleague, Dr. Jimenez, had mentioned before, so that we can 
capture everybody who is operating in this space and be able to 
really track and protect borrowers in the way that we need to 
be doing.
    Chair Warnock. Well, thank you so much. We could say so 
much, but we're out of time. So with that, all questioning has 
concluded. Thank you for all of our witnesses for being with us 
today. Thank you again to Senator Lummis for filling in, and 
Senator Tillis sends his regrets.
    Today's hearing brought light to the ongoing risks and the 
harms of private student loans and student loan servicing. What 
did we learn today? We learned that it's clear, it's clear we 
need more data to understand how to better protect borrowers in 
the private student lending market. We learned that Congress 
needs to pay more attention to what is going on. And I hope we 
don't have to wait another decade for the next Committee 
hearing on this critically important issue. And we have learned 
that the CFPB under the Biden-Harris administration has been 
and should continue to be a hero in this story. It has, under 
the leadership of Director Chopra, enforced the law and 
protected borrowers. I hope the CFPB can continue doing this 
great work in the next Administration after President Biden 
leaves office, but this Committee has a responsibility to 
ensure the Bureau has the tools and the personnel it needs to 
continue its work to protect borrowers no matter who is elected 
in November.
    The hearing also helped center a focus on the current harms 
that student loan servicers continue to inflict on borrowers. I 
hope the CFPB's latest announcement borrowing Navient from 
servicing Federal student loans and today's hearing send a 
clear message to other servicers: you cannot deceive, mislead, 
or otherwise abuse student loan borrowers without serious 
consequences.
    For Senators who wish to submit questions for the record, 
those questions are due 1 week from today. For our witnesses, 
you will have 45 days to respond to any questions.
    Again, thank you, everybody. And with that, this hearing is 
adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 3:37 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
    [Prepared statements, responses to written questions, and 
additional material supplied for the record follow:]
               PREPARED STATEMENT OF AISSA CANCHOLA BANEZ
          Policy Director, Student Borrower Protection Center
                           September 17, 2024
                           
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                    PREPARED STATEMENT OF BETH AKERS
              Senior Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
                           September 17, 2024
    Good afternoon, Chairman Warnock, Ranking Member Tillis, and 
distinguished Subcommittee Members. Thank you for the opportunity to 
testify today on the issues and concerns facing private student loans 
and servicers, as well as the State of Federal student lending.
    At present there are more than 1.74 trillion dollars in student 
loans outstanding in the U.S. economy. \1\ This is a massive amount of 
money that represents serious liabilities for millions of borrowers 
across the United States who are grappling with the process of 
repayment. This massive amount of outstanding debt also represents a 
tremendous liability to taxpayers. This is the result of President 
Biden's efforts to cancel student loans, which--if allowed to be 
implemented--will transfer that enormous liability away from the 
borrowers who took on the debt and onto taxpayers, many of whom never 
enrolled in college.
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     \1\ Federal Reserve Board. (2024). Consumer Credit--G.19 
Historical Data. https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g19/HIST/cc-
hist-memo-levels.html
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    In contrast, private student loans make up just a small share of 
that outstanding debt. At present, 133 billion dollars of that total 
amount were borrowed from private lenders.
    The Federal student loan program and the associated portfolio of 
outstanding loans are in complete disrepair due to MacGyver-esque 
efforts from the Biden administration to cancel student loans despite 
no legal pathway to do so. But the private student loan industry is a 
well-functioning consumer credit market.
    Borrowers with private student loans are largely successful in 
repaying their debts. Recent reports from the industry suggest that the 
vast majority (97 percent) of borrowers are in good standing on their 
loans. And about three-quarters (72.5 percent) of them are successfully 
making payments. (About one-fifth of borrowers are not making payments 
because they are still enrolled and working toward their degrees.) \2\
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     \2\ Enterval. (2024). ``Private Student Loan Semi Annual Report 
Ending Q1 2024''. Enterval Analytics, LLC. https://www.enterval.com/
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    Even before the COVID-19 pandemic and the subsequent modifications 
to student loan repayment that have undermined borrowers' likelihood of 
repaying their loans, repayment on Federal student loans was poor. In 
the 10 years preceding COVID-19--which fundamentally upset trends in 
repayment--during an average month in repayment status there was a 52 
percent chance of payments being made. \3\
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     \3\ Alsalam, N., Ash, E., and Pierce, B. (2024). ``Student Loan 
Repayment, 2009 to 2019''. Congressional Budget Office. https://
www.cbo.gov/system/files/2024-09/58963-student-loan.pdf
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    A loan program that fails to collect on the debt it issues should 
hardly be considered a loan program. Instead, it functions as a 
convoluted and opaque system of subsidies that encourages inflationary 
pricing from institutions and discourages thrift among borrowers.
    Private student loan origination and servicing, both for Federal 
and private loans, hasn't been perfect. Lending institutions and those 
that service loans are fallible. But private entities supporting 
student lending, in any capacity, don't deserve the ire of lawmakers 
looking for a quick fix--or even a scapegoat--for what is happening 
more broadly in student lending. In fact, there are many ways in which 
the private loan market could offer a model for how the Federal loan 
program could be reformed to operate more effectively and efficiently.
    The private student loan market is highly regulated, as it should 
be. Young people, who use student loans at high rates, can be naive to 
the trade-offs involved in different financial instruments, so it is 
imperative that lenders comply with high standards when it comes to 
consumer education and disclosure requirements. Private lenders are 
currently held to standards that exceed the disclosure requirements 
that are mandated in the Federal lending program. This likely 
contributes to the success in repayment seen among private student 
loans.
    That said, there is room for improvement. For example, we should 
reconsider the treatment of private student loans in bankruptcy. 
Student loans are somewhat remote from eligibility for discharge during 
bankruptcy. Discharge of student loans does happen during some 
bankruptcy proceedings, but the standards for eligibility are opaque 
and too strict.
    Lenders should face the liability of loans they originate not being 
repaid. This will encourage them, even more than they currently are, to 
only make loans in instances when they expect the borrower to be able 
to repay. This accountability is good for both the sector and student 
borrowers, even those who subsequently lose access to credit as a 
result.
    I anticipate that the tone of the hearing today will reflect a 
general skepticism about private sector participation in student 
lending. There seems to be a persistent sense among left-leaning 
observers that profit seeking has no place in education at any level. 
In contrast, I believe that growing the role of the private sector 
could offer a solution to many of the challenges we are currently 
facing and have written as much, particularly in the arena of graduate 
student lending in a recent report. \4\
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     \4\ Akers, B., Cooper, P., and Pitts, J. (2024). ``How Private 
Student Lending Can Repair Higher Education''. American Enterprise 
Institute. https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/how-private-
student-lending-can-repair-higher-education/
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    While the focus of the hearing today is on the subject of private 
student loans and servicers, I would be remiss not to voice my concern 
about the state of Federal student lending.
    Servicers of Federal student loans are often villainized by those 
concerned with the plight of borrowers holding Federal student debt. 
But the actions taken in recent years by the Biden administration have 
taken a difficult job and made it practically impossible. Like all of 
us, servicers of Federal student loans make mistakes; some more than 
others. But if our goal is to put in place a lending program that is 
likely to succeed administratively, then the steps taken to complicate 
and manipulate the lending program, often on short notice, are steps in 
the wrong direction.
    I am also deeply concerned, on behalf of taxpayers, about the 
exorbitant expense of these recent interventions. And concerned on 
behalf of Americans at the lawless nature in which the Administration 
is attempting to enact them. But I am most deeply concerned about the 
trajectory for higher education in the United States more generally.
    The way that the Biden administration has intervened in the 
marketplace for higher education has effectively deteriorated any 
incentives that colleges and universities previously had to charge 
prices that are in line with the value they provide. Likewise, 
students, who were previously incented only to borrow what they needed 
and expected to repay, would be wise to exploit the taxpayer funded 
subsidies that are, unfortunately, free for the taking.
    I am grateful that the Subcommittee has taken the time to delve 
into these important issues facing higher education and look forward to 
future action taken by Members of this Committee to pass legislation 
that would rectify the challenges we face. I thank you again for the 
opportunity to be here today to share my testimony and look forward to 
answering any questions.
                  PREPARED STATEMENT OF DALIE JIMENEZ
Professor of Law and Director, Student Loan Law Initiative, University 
                  of California, Irvine School of Law
                           September 17, 2024
                           
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        RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF CHAIR WARNOCK
                   FROM AISSA CANCHOLA BANEZ
                   
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       RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR KENNEDY
                        FROM BETH AKERS

Q.1. The CFPB recently sought to hold 15 student loan 
securitization trusts financially liable for restitution to 
borrowers because of the actions of their servicer. By going 
after the trusts, the CFPB is going after 401k investors, 
retirees, and other savers who should not have to bear this 
cost. Isn't it unfair and wrong to hold securitization 
investors financially responsible for the actions of third 
parties who engage in allegedly illegal behavior?

A.1. Response not received in time for publication.

Q.2. What are the ramifications of the CFPB's enforcement 
action against student loan trusts to the broader 
securitization market? Doesn't this threaten to negatively 
impact the availability of credit?

A.2. Response not received in time for publication.

Q.3. What can securitization investors, who play a critical 
role in providing capital for consumer lending, do to protect 
themselves from a CFPB enforcement action in the future if the 
CFPB seeks to hold them legally liable for actions of 
servicers? Would some type of safe harbor, exclusion, or 
exception that protects the Trusts against CFPB enforcement 
action strengthen the student loan securitization market?

A.3. Response not received in time for publication.
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        RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF CHAIR WARNOCK
                       FROM DALIE JIMENEZ

Q.1. In 2005, \1\ Congress passed the Bankruptcy Abuse 
Prevention and Consumer Protection Act. The Act generally 
blocks people with student loans from discharging these debts 
in the normal bankruptcy process except in cases of undue 
hardship on the debtor or the debtor's dependents. \2\ In 
determining undue hardship, the Department of Justice considers 
the debtor's present ability to pay, future ability to pay, and 
whether they made a good faith effort in doing so. \3\
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     \1\ Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 
2005, Pub. L. No. 91-190 220 119 Stat 59.
     \2\ See 11 U.S.C. 523(a)(8).
     \3\ Bankruptcy, Student Loan Borrower Assistance, https://
studentloanborrowerassistance.org/for-borrowers/dealing-with-student-
loan-debt/loan-cancellation-forgiveness-bankruptcy/bankruptcy/.
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    James Kvaal, Under Secretary of Education has stated that 
the undue hardship standard has been very difficult for even 
deserving borrowers to clear. \4\ Do you agree with this 
characterization?
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     \4\ ``Justice Department and Department of Education Announce a 
Fairer and More Accessible Bankruptcy Discharge Process for Student 
Loan Borrowers'', U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Public Affairs 
(Nov. 17, 2022), https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-
department-education-announce-fairer-and-more-accessible-bankruptcy.

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A.1. Response not received in time for publication.

Q.2. How does being able to discharge student loan debts during 
the bankruptcy process affect borrowers? What alternatives to 
the bankruptcy process do individual borrowers have?

A.2. Response not received in time for publication.
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