[Senate Hearing 118-741, Part 4]
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                                                 S. Hrg. 118-741, Pt. 4

                  DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION 
            REQUEST FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025
                 AND THE FUTURE YEARS DEFENSE PROGRAM

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                                HEARINGS

                               before the

                      COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION
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     TO AUTHORIZE APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 FOR MILITARY 
ACTIVITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, FOR MILITARY CONSTRUCTION, AND 
   FOR DEFENSE ACTIVITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, TO PRESCRIBE 
   MILITARY PERSONNEL STRENGTHS FOR SUCH FISCAL YEAR, AND FOR OTHER 
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                      COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES

                    JACK REED, Rhode Island, Chairman

JEANNE SHAHEEN, New Hampshire	     ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi
KIRSTEN E. GILLIBRAND, New York	     DEB FISCHER, Nebraska
RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut	     TOM COTTON, Arkansas
MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii		     MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
TIM KAINE, Virginia		     JONI K. ERNST, Iowa
ANGUS S. KING, Jr., Maine	     DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts	     KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
GARY C. PETERS, Michigan	     RICK SCOTT, Florida
JOE MANCHIN III, West Virginia	     TOMMY TUBERVILLE, Alabama
TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois	     MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma
JACKY ROSEN, Nevada		     TED BUDD, North Carolina
MARK KELLY, Arizona                  ERIC SCHMITT, Missouri
                                    
               Elizabeth L. King, Staff Director
           John P. Keast, Minority Staff Director

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                        Subcommittee on Airland

                    MARK KELLY, Arizona, Chairman

RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut	     TOM COTTON, Arkansas
ANGUS S. KING, Jr., Maine	     DEB FISCHER, Nebraska
GARY C. PETERS, Michigan	     JONI ERNST, Iowa
JOE MANCHIN III, West Virginia	     RICK SCOTT, Florida
TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois            MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     

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Air Force Modernization..........................................     1

                           Members Statements

Statement of Senator Mark Kelly..................................     1

Prepared Statement of Senator Tom Cotton.........................    23

                           Witness Statements

Spain, Lieutenant General Adrian L., USAF, Deputy Chief of Staff      3
  for Operations.

Hunter, The Honorable Andrew P., Assistant Secretary of the Air       4
  Force for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics.

Harris, Lieutenant General David A., USAF, Deputy Chief of Staff      6
  for Strategy, Integration, and Requirements.

Moore, Lieutenant General Richard G., Jr., USAF, Deputy Chief of      7
  Staff for Plans and Programs.

Questions for the Record.........................................    44

                              may 15, 2024

Army Modernization...............................................    47

                           Members Statements

Statement of Senator Mark Kelly..................................    47

Statement of Senator Tom Cotton..................................    49

                           Witness Statements

Bush, The Honorable Douglas R., Assistant Secretary of the Army      50
  for Acquisition, Logistics, and Technology.

Rainey, General James E., USA, Commanding General, United States     52
  Army Futures Command.

Gingrich, Lieutenant General Karl H., USA, Deputy Chief of Staff,    54
  G-8, United States Army.

Questions for the Record.........................................    80

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                  DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION 
            REQUEST FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025
                 AND THE FUTURE YEARS DEFENSE PROGRAM

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                         WEDNESDAY, MAY 8, 2024

                      United States Senate,
                           Subcommittee on Airland,
                               Committee on Armed Services,
                                                    Washington, DC.

                        AIR FORCE MODERNIZATION

    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 4 p.m. in room 
SR-232A, Russell Senate Office Building, Senator Mark Kelly 
(Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
    Committee Members present: Kelly, Blumenthal, Peters, 
Duckworth, Cotton, Ernst, Scott, and Mullin.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR MARK KELLY

    Senator Kelly. This hearing will come to order.
    I want to welcome our witnesses and give you our thanks for 
testifying in front of this subcommittee today. General Spain, 
General Harris, welcome. Secretary Hunter, General Moore, 
welcome back.
    The budget request in front of us today was developed under 
the tight constraints of the Fiscal Responsibility Act. Some of 
your sister services were pushed into even more painful 
decisions than the Air Force has had to make, but we should not 
underState the difficultly of the tradeoffs that have been made 
as you seek to modernize our forces to maintain our competitive 
edge with our most advanced adversaries, while also maintaining 
necessary capabilities to respond to the threats that we face 
today.
    Perhaps most notable is that the Air Force has proposed to 
divest 250 aircraft in fiscal year 2025. Now, each of these 
proposed divestments has their own arguments for and against, 
but the broader picture is an Air Force that is shrinking. It 
is an Air Force that is forgoing the modernization of some 
legacy platforms, including F-15, F-16, and F-22, and directly 
divesting of others, in order to invest in fielding a highly 
capable future force. The details of that highly capable future 
force, and the threat that is driving you there, are difficult 
to talk about in an unclassified setting. What we can say is it 
will be a smaller but better force that is betting on future 
programs like Collaborative Combat Aircraft to reach the 
capacity we will need.
    In addition to risks in these modernization plans 
themselves we need to be upfront about the risks we are taking 
to get there. This year's budget request proposes to retire 190 
fighters and attack aircraft and procure only 60. That would be 
130 fewer tactical aircraft for pilots to maintain proficiency 
and 130 fewer aircraft across which to spread those flight 
hours. That would mean 130 fewer tactical aircraft to provide 
forces to meet the combatant commander's needs, and I see no 
reason to believe that these demands will fall for the 
foreseeable future.
    The merits of each proposed divestment must be considered 
separately. Not all aircraft are created equal, and those 
disparities only grow over decades of service life.
    We do understand the pressures the Air Force is under in 
the procurement account and elsewhere. Two of the three legs of 
the nuclear triad are under your umbrella, presenting an 
enormous, fixed wedge in your plans, and of course, the other 
side does get a vote. The most stressing threats do not lend 
themselves to incremental improvements, let alone standing 
still.
    Finally, the Air Force is embarking on a significant 
structure overhaul to optimize itself for great power 
competition. The ambition is laudable, and I look forward to 
hearing your testimony on your vision for these efforts.
    I look forward to hearing from our Air Force witnesses 
about the challenges and opportunities they face in modernizing 
the Air Force, as we finish our scheduled hearings before we 
mark up the DOD authorization request.
    Anywhere we look in the Air Force program we can see 
tradeoffs that are being made in this request between strategy 
and budget. That includes with the Compass Call aircraft, where 
we are replacing the current fleet with a smaller number of 
upgraded aircraft that will not be delivered until 2029.
    It also includes the Air Force's plan that would have 
truncated the HH-60 Whiskey program after fiscal year 2023. We 
need to hear how this reduction in the inventory objective for 
these forces would affect the Air Force's ability to rescue 
downed pilots and aircrews in future conflicts.
    I am especially interested in hearing from the witnesses 
how the Air Force plans to manage its multiple modernization 
programs in ways that expeditiously deliver the capabilities 
our warfighters need, while protecting taxpayer dollars and 
avoiding too much risk to supporting combatant commander 
requirements. These should include the F-35 fighter, the B-21 
bomber, the KC-46 tanker, and a new program to procure 
``Wedgetail'' aircraft to replace some of the E-3 Airborne 
Warning and Control Systems (AWACS), aircraft, also the 
Advanced Air Battle Management System (ABMS), which seeks to 
replace the E-8 JSTARS [Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar 
System] capability, and is the Air Force's contribution to the 
Defense Department's Joint All Domain Command and Control 
program.
    The F-35, the core of the tactical air forces for the next 
few decades, has very real availability, affordability, and 
modernization challenges. It seems the Air Force has recently 
made some hard decisions when it comes to the F-35 upgrade 
efforts, accepting a diminished capability in order to 
hopefully regain at least some momentum and avoid parking a 
large number of jets while the TR-3 software matures.
    It also sounds like the Air Force is doing some hard 
prioritization on Block 4 capabilities to bring the schedule 
back to where it needs to be, but whatever that capability set 
is going to be, it needs to be locked in soon so we understand 
what the demands are going to be on the engine and cooling 
systems of the aircraft.
    Finally, we need to ensure that subsequent Air Force 
investments yield the capabilities necessary to compete in any 
future conflicts, such as hypersonic missiles, the Next 
Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter program, and others. We 
cannot ignore needs to recapitalize other existing capabilities 
that give our forces a competitive edge, such as our tanker 
forces. We will also take into account such lower visibility, 
but very important capabilities such as the investments we need 
to make to ensure adequacy of training ranges for our fifth-
generation fighters and other next generation systems.
    I am going to stop there and get to our questions, but I 
want to thank our witnesses again for their service and for 
appearing before the committee.
    Yes, we will go to opening statements. Thank you very much, 
and then when Senator Cotton arrives we will give him the 
opportunity for an opening statement. So let me start with 
General Spain.

 STATEMENT OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL ADRIAN L. SPAIN, USAF, DEPUTY 
                 CHIEF OF STAFF FOR OPERATIONS

    Lieutenant General Spain. Great. Thanks, Chairman Kelly, 
Ranking Member Cotton is not here at this time, but Senator 
Ernst, thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony on 
Air Force modernization in review of the Department of the Air 
Force's Fiscal Year 2025 Presidential Budget.
    As the Air Force continues to evolve to meet the needs of 
the current and future strategic environment, we must optimize 
how we organize, train, and equip Air Force forces, and we must 
do so in light of increasing global demands on the Joint Force.
    We have made great strides in our journey to transform the 
service and to task organize units of action with clearly 
defined force elements capable of meeting the worldwide demands 
of this strategic environment and its associated threats, but 
there is more to be done.
    Clarity in the structure of our force presentation and 
force generation models has allowed us to better articulate 
capability, capacity, operational readiness, and risks to both 
ourselves and to the Joint Force. As we continue on this path, 
fiscal reality means we must take measured risk, even as we 
transform and modernize to meet those needs.
    The Air Force Force Generation Model (AFFORGEN), in 
conjunction with a definable force presentation construct, has 
been successful in providing predictability for our service-
retained forces, and continued improvement in this model is 
allowing our airmen to deploy as a team. As our force 
presentation model continues to evolve from the Air 
Expeditionary Wing constructive, effective for the past couple 
of decades, to Expeditionary Air Bases, to Air Task Forces, and 
soon Combat Wings, we are shifting focus back to warfighting in 
a peer competitor environment. We will carefully balance the 
risk in our garrison functions in order to prioritize focus on 
the combat mission and warfighting effectiveness.
    While we are in the midst of this important transition the 
Air Force must continue to make deliberate and measured risk in 
current operational readiness in order to modernize our forces 
in line with the Department's Strategic Readiness Framework 
mentioned in the National Defense Strategy (NDS). We have had 
to make tough choices to order to prioritize investments in 
manpower, training infrastructure, Flying Hour Program (FHP), 
and Weapons System Sustainment (WSS), all aspects critical to 
enabling a ready force.
    DOD capabilities and those of peer, near-peer, and 
potential adversaries are advancing at a rate that challenges 
our ability to provide relevant and realistic training. In 
order to maintain a qualitative advantage in multi-domain, 
full-spectrum employment, we are modernizing our training 
ranges and legacy airspace, and we have increased investments 
in virtual and synthetic training, acknowledging that while not 
a replacement for flying, certain factors will demand high-end 
training be accomplished in a synthetic or augmented 
environment.
    The Air Force remains committed to meeting the needs of the 
service and its airmen through continuous, data-driven 
feedback. We have instituted multiple meaningful initiatives 
over the years regarding pilot production. Although it remains 
constrained we are taking a holistic, ecosystem-wide approach 
to operational readiness and data accountability. which in turn 
has refined our pilot reporting information, awareness, and 
trust in the information to shape future initiatives, and we 
are starting to see positive indicators on those results.
    We appreciate the support the committee on additional 
efforts to improve rated force management and pilot production 
to include improved retention initiatives. I thank you for your 
support and for the opportunity to testify today, and look 
forward to the questions and future collaboration with the 
committee.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General. Secretary Hunter.

    STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE ANDREW P. HUNTER, ASSISTANT 
  SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE FOR ACQUISITION, TECHNOLOGY, AND 
                           LOGISTICS

    Mr. Hunter. Thank you, Chairman Kelly, and also thanks to 
Ranking Member Cotton for having us here today to provide 
testimony on our Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget Request 
for Air Force modernization.
    As we testified last year, our operational imperatives work 
highlighted the challenges of integration and the importance of 
tight partnerships between the operational and acquisition 
communities in the Department of the Air Force and developing 
the necessary capabilities to deter and win in future 
conflicts.
    Insights from that work directly informed, and I would say 
shaped and enabled, our ability to make the challenging 
tradeoffs that we had to make in our 2025 budget request that 
you alluded to, Mr. Chairman, in your opening statement. While 
not all of those choices were ones that we would have 
necessarily preferred to have to make, it was really essential 
that had the analytical work and the underpinning of our 
operational imperative to inform those choices, and it will 
continue to be so in future year budget requests, which are 
likely to be equally challenging, based on the current budget 
environment.
    It is also essential, as you alluded to, that we organize 
ourselves to do that work repeatedly as a normal functioning of 
the Air Force enterprise, and that really informed our effort 
to reoptimize for great power competition and make 
organizational changes so that the work that we did under 
operational imperatives is something that we do on a daily 
basis and not something that is done by exception, as it was 
when we undertook initially to study the operational 
imperatives. We ask for your support for our budget request, 
which really continues to focus and buildupon the modernization 
required to meet our operational needs in the future.
    We remain steadfast in resourcing these top priorities as 
well as other, as well as nuclear modernization, but our 
resources, as you noted, were limited by the 2023 Fiscal 
Responsibility Act. The impacts of the FRA, combined with 
funding through continuing resolutions, which were extended 
this year, and restrictions on our ability to retire older 
weapons systems divert our ability to focus on delivering 
decisive combat power and put that capability at risk. Nothing 
could be more imperative than our need to receive timely 
authorization and appropriations of our fiscal year 2025 budget 
request.
    As I noted, this request continues our modernization 
efforts, such as the development of the Collaborative Combat 
Aircraft, the Next Generation Air Dominance family of systems, 
KC-46, continuation of uninterrupted tanker recapitalization, 
our T-7 training aircraft, the E-7 Wedgetail, and the critical 
munitions that are essential to our future operations. It also 
allows us to continue fielding platforms like the F-15EX, the 
F-15 EPAWSS, upgrades to the F-22 fighter, F-35 Block 4 
capability, as well as sustaining our current fleet.
    I particularly want to highlight the CCA [Collaborative 
Combat Aircraft] program as the exemplar of our efforts to 
develop and field new capabilities rapidly, affordably, and at 
scale. In April 2024, the DAF exercised two option-award 
contracts for CCA Increment 1 to Anduril and General Atomics to 
conduct detailed design, build, and test of production-
representative test articles. In fiscal year 2025, we will 
begin concept refinement for the next CCA increment, as we also 
continue to explore international partnership participation 
with us on the CCA program.
    All of the work that you see happening in our CCA program 
has essentially been initiated and taken forward in the last 2 
years. So this is a program that is going from initiation to 
moving toward production on the most rapid time scale I have 
ever seen for a system of this complexity.
    Since time is of the essence in capable development, we 
also want to thank the Congress, and particularly the Members 
of this Subcommittee, who are critical to the effort, for 
providing the Department with Quick Start authority in Section 
229 of the Fiscal Year 2024 National Defense Authorization Act.
    Secretary Kendall, when he testified to the committee, 
highlighted a program that was just approved through this Quick 
Start authority, which will initiate work on providing C-3 
battle management for moving target indication at scale, that 
we are initiating and have initiated this year. This effort is 
an element of the operational imperatives funding request in 
fiscal year 2025, and is included in the budget request that 
you will be considering this year. The Quick Start authority 
allowed us to begin that work in this year and not wait for 
next year's appropriation.
    Thank you again for the opportunity to testify, and we look 
forward to working with Congress, industry, and the communities 
that support us to defend the Nation.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. General Harris.

 STATEMENT OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL DAVID A. HARRIS, USAF, DEPUTY 
   CHIEF OF STAFF FOR STRATEGY, INTEGRATION, AND REQUIREMENTS

    Lieutenant General Harris. Chairman Kelly and Ranking 
Member Cotton, I really do appreciate the opportunity to come 
and talk to you about our modernization efforts in the Air 
Force. We know that your support is vital to not only our Air 
Force but our airmen as we go forward and develop concepts and 
capabilities to confront our toughest challenges.
    Our current warfighting advantages are actively being 
tested in both traditional and non-traditional ways, and also 
our adversaries are determined to contest our activities in all 
domains of warfare. Success in the future operating environment 
will require some different capabilities. Perhaps more 
importantly, winning will require a new level of integration 
across the Air Force and the Joint Force as advantages are 
becoming more relative and increasingly transient.
    We are demonstrating the resolve to rapidly adapt and 
effectively compete, and we see that today in PACAP, USAFE, as 
well as CENTCOM. We are transforming concepts, capabilities, 
and organizational design to evolve the Air Force at a rate 
that will ensure our warfighting advantage .
    However, today our Air Force is out of balance. Our 
operational imperative efforts and future force design analysis 
highlight several strategic areas of modernization that must be 
addressed, a modernization that moves away from platform-
centric views to a threat-informed and systems-focused approach 
to deliver the right effects. I am really referring to the 
Integrated Capabilities Command of our GPC effort.
    The threat environment is as complex and dynamic as it has 
ever been. What worked well before may not work well in the 
future. This is why the United States Air Force must continue 
to aggressively modernize. We cannot scale with our adversaries 
in terms of capacity alone. Instead, we must develop the right 
balance of integrated capabilities to maintain an operational 
advantage to deter adversaries. This requires us to transition 
to a force that can generate effects from longer range, with 
sufficient mass, through a tailored mix of new and existing, 
and maybe even modified, capabilities, to shape the battle 
space for the Joint Force.
    Our investments in the fiscal year 2025 budget continue to 
build on the work to modernize and rebalance the force, as I 
have mentioned. We are making considerable progress across 
areas such as kill chains, multi-domain sensing grids, unmanned 
systems, but there is significantly more work to be done. We 
need your support now more than ever to rebalance that force 
for a credible deterrence, and if needed to win in future 
conflict.
    Thank you again for the opportunity to speak to you today, 
and I look forward to answering any of the questions you may 
have.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General. General Moore.

 STATEMENT OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL RICHARD G. MOORE, JR., USAF, 
          DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR PLANS AND PROGRAMS

    Lieutenant General Moore. Thank you, Chairman Kelly, 
Ranking Member Cotton, and distinguished Members of this 
Subcommittee. It is an honor to be able to testify today on the 
Air Force's defense authorization request for fiscal year 2025. 
On behalf of the Department, thank you both, as well as the 
members of the committee, for your continued leadership and 
your unwavering support of the United States military.
    Today we are in the midst of a difficult transition from a 
legacy force to one built to deter Chinese aggression and win 
against any peer competitor. Fiscal year 2025 presents another 
opportunity for the Department of the Air Force and the 
Congress to work together to remain the world's preeminent 
power projection force.
    Through this partnership we have made substantial steps 
toward achieving the force the Nation needs, but we have much 
more work to do. Our most valuable resources--manpower, money, 
and time--remain limited. We must be disciplined in our 
decisions and focus our investments on what we need most.
    The Air Force strategy is not to divest. The Air Force 
strategy is to modernize. But this strategy requires us to make 
some difficult choices. We do not want to get rid of airplanes, 
but in order to invest in modernized capabilities, and most 
importantly pivot our airmen from the past to the future, we 
have to stop funding things that do not measurably bring us 
closer to the goal. In our fiscal year 2025 request, the Air 
Force remains focused on achieving a fighter force mix that 
provides a capable, sustainable, survivable, and affordable 
force that can operate across a range of mission sets.
    Most notably, our fiscal year 2025 request seeks to 
preserve our advances in modernization while shaping future 
investments around long-range kill chains and the elements that 
support them. This contribution to the Joint Force is central 
to our ability to deter, and if necessary, defeat aggression.
    We continue to make significant progress toward closing key 
capability gaps, but the hard choices are not all behind us. We 
must consolidate the things we need that are relevant to the 
future fight and make them the most relevant that we can. We 
must remain united as a Department and as a Nation to 
successfully overcome barrier to change. We cannot fail in this 
endeavor.
    Can we keep more legacy aircraft? Yes. Can we increase 
today's readiness? Yes. Can we get after tomorrow's 
modernization? Yes. But we cannot do all of these things at 
once, particularly in light of reduced buying power as a result 
of the Fiscal Responsibility Act plus the workforce, supply 
chain, and inflation issues which remain as a relic of COVID. 
We have to strategically spread risk over time. We have chosen 
a strategy that allows us to move past what is holding us back 
from being able to compete.
    But our adversaries are watching. We must act now to make 
difficult choices and show them our commitment, and time is not 
on our side. American lives and those of our allies and 
partners rely on our ability to deliver airpower. We look 
forward to once again working with Congress to shape a lethal 
force that does exactly that and also efficiently and 
affordably provides the most capable airpower for our Nation.
    I am honored to sit here today with Mr. Hunter, General 
Harris, and General Spain, and we look forward to answering 
your questions.
    [The joint prepared statement of The Honorable Andrew P. 
Hunter, Lieutenant General Richard G. Moore, Jr., Lieutenant 
General David A. Harris, and Lieutenant General Adrian L. Spain 
follows:]

Joint Prepared Statement by The Honorable Andrew P. Hunter, Lieutenant 
General Richard G. Moore, Jr., Lieutenant General David A. Harris, and 
                  Lieutenant General Adrian L. Spain]
                              introduction
    Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, and distinguished Members of 
the Subcommittee, thank you for having us here today to provide 
testimony on The Department of the Air Force's (DAF) Fiscal Year 2025 
President's Budget Request for Air Force modernization.
    The Department of the Air Force is critical to our national 
defense. Our capabilities underwrite those of the Joint Force and we 
are uniquely suited to provide this cornerstone of the Nation's 
defense. This is particularly true of the long-range strike and power 
projection capabilities that are the purview of this subcommittee and 
that we will discuss today.
    The Department of the Air Force's Fiscal Year 2025 President's 
Budget Request reflects our commitment to developing a threat-informed, 
concept-driven future Air Force as framed by the National Defense 
Strategy (NDS), but resources have been limited by the 2023 Fiscal 
Responsibility Act (FRA). The FRA spending caps increase risk and force 
difficult tradeoffs. We have made significant progress in identifying 
the capabilities the DAF will need to develop and field to prevail 
against our adversaries. However, the DAF is facing a significant, 
dangerous shift in the strategic security environment where our 
historical dominance in military operations will be challenged by 
adversaries intent on denying us previously assumed advantage in the 
air and space domains. The DAF has historically adapted to key 
inflection points to best compete in emerging security landscapes and 
our current efforts to achieve greater organizational agility by 
reoptimizing for Great Power Competition (GPC) once again illustrate 
this key trait.
    The Secretary of the Air Force has made clear we are out of time 
and must reoptimize now. We seek to anticipate and develop the 
capabilities to dominate emerging military competitions before would-be 
adversaries can master the ability to threaten our vital interests. To 
achieve a more competitive posture, the DAF is implementing major 
changes centered on how we Develop People, Generate Readiness, Project 
Power, and Develop Integrated Capabilities. The Operational Imperatives 
work highlighted the challenges of integration and the importance of 
tight partnerships between the operational and acquisition communities. 
The capability development-related GPC organizational changes we are 
making at the Secretariat and Major Command levels institutionalize 
these lessons learned. The DAF is establishing a single, authoritative 
entity focused on identifying and prioritizing future operational 
capabilities, driving cross-platform mission systems integration and 
capability development, establishing focused acquisition Systems 
Centers for effective portfolio and lifecycle management, and standing 
up relevant Secretariat offices to inform senior leaders on enterprise-
wide decisions. This will result in a more agile and integrated 
acquisition system that delivers capabilities--quickly and at scale--
while demonstrating to adversaries our resolve to rapidly adapt our 
organization to effectively compete today and win decisively in any 
future conflict.
    Since time is of the essence in capability development, we are 
thankful for Congress providing the Section 229 ``Quick Start'' 
provision in the fiscal year 2024 NDAA and we look forward to providing 
information on the specific initiatives using this authority in the 
near future. While grateful for the support, we continue to be hampered 
by funding through Continuing Resolutions and restrictions on the 
retirement of outdated fighter, tanker, cargo, and command and control 
aircraft. Compromises that divert focus from our operational 
imperatives put our military's ability to deliver decisive combat power 
at great risk. These short-term tradeoffs could prevent us from scaling 
a future force up to the numbers required to provide us with the 
military capabilities we need. We are conscious of the difficulties 
associated with these changes and are eager for continued collaboration 
with Congress, industry, and the communities that support our Air Bases 
to ensure our Nation's security.
                        continuing the evolution
Global Force Generation
    In line with our sister services, the Air Force has a history of 
evolving to meet the demands of the time. As we continue to evolve to 
meet the needs of the current and future strategic environment, we must 
optimize how we organize, train, and equip Air Force Forces and we must 
do so in an environment where the demands on the Joint Force continue 
to increase globally. We have made great strides on our journey to 
transform the service into task-organized units of action, with clearly 
defined force elements, capable of meeting the worldwide demands of 
this strategic environment and its associated threats--but there is 
more work to be done. Clarity in the structure of our force 
presentation and force generation models have allowed us to better 
articulate capability, capacity, operational readiness, and risk to 
ourselves and to the Joint Force. As we continue on this path, fiscal 
reality means we must continue to take measured risk even as we 
transform and modernize to meet these needs.
    The Air Force Force Generation (AFFORGEN) model, in conjunction 
with a definable force presentation construct, has been successful in 
providing predictability for our service-retained forces and continued 
improvement in this model is allowing our Airmen to train and deploy as 
a team. As our force presentation model continues to evolve from the 
Air Expeditionary Wing construct, which was effective for the past 
couple of decades, to Expeditionary Air Bases (XABs), Air Task Forces 
(ATFs), and soon Combat Wings, we are shifting focus back to 
warfighting in a peer competitor environment. We will carefully balance 
the risk in our garrison missions, in order to prioritize installation 
and Airmen focus on the combat mission and warfighting effectiveness.
Readiness
    While we are in the midst of this important transition from a 
legacy force presentation model optimized for operations with extreme 
overmatch from uncontested airfields, to one modernized to deter major 
power aggression and defeat any peer competitor, the Air Force must 
continue to take measured risk in current operational readiness in 
order to modernize our forces in line with the Department's Strategic 
Readiness Framework mentioned in the National Defense Strategy (NDS). 
We've had to make tough choices to include divestment of older systems, 
less relevant for the high-end fight, and we must prioritize 
investments in manpower, training infrastructure, Flying Hour Program 
(FHP), and Weapons System Sustainment (WSS), aspects critical to 
enabling a ready force.
    DOD capabilities and those of peer, near-peer, and potential 
adversaries are advancing at a rate that challenges our ability to 
provide relevant and realistic training. In order to maintain a 
qualitative advantage through superior training in multi-domain, full-
spectrum employment, we are modernizing our training ranges and legacy 
airspace to enable warfighters to train for the peer fight in an all-
domain, contested environment against relevant and realistic threats. 
The Air Force has substantial, planned investments during the next FYDP 
to sustain, modernize, and add training infrastructure to achieve this 
capability in the 2030 timeframe. We are similarly increasing 
investments in virtual and synthetic training environments for the 
future, acknowledging that while not a replacement for flying, factors 
such as OPSEC, threat replication, emitters and tactics, techniques and 
procedures will demand more high-end training be accomplished in a 
synthetic or augmented environment.
Rated Force Management
    The Air Force remains committed to meeting the needs of the service 
and its Airmen through experimentation and continuous, data-driven 
feedback and we appreciate all the support the committee continues to 
provide for our Airmen. Despite multiple meaningful initiatives and the 
efforts of thousands of Airmen at multiple locations, pilot production 
continues to remain constrained. Fiscal Year 2023 Undergraduate Pilot 
Training (UPT) production graduated 1,315 pilots, which was an increase 
from fiscal year 2022, but still below the required 1,500 pilots we 
need to produce each year. We have taken a holistic, ecosystem-wide 
approach to operational readiness and data accountability, which in 
turn has refined our pilot reporting information, awareness, and trust 
in the information to shape future initiatives. Additional efforts to 
improve rated force management and pilot production include the Air 
Mobility Fundamentals--Simulator (AMF-S) program, and improved 
retention initiatives supported by the committee. Until production 
improves, we will continue to prioritize operations, test, and training 
units and take risk in staffs; if that position becomes untenable, we 
will be forced to shift risk to those historically protected units.
                    current capacity and capability
    Following NDS guidance, the DAF seeks to invest in technologies and 
field systems that are both lethal and survivable against tomorrow's 
threats. Our adversaries continue to erode our historically superior 
military advantages with ever-advancing capabilities specifically 
designed to counter traditional air power. This ultimately means 
transitioning away from legacy platforms to free up manpower and 
resources to modernize and field more credible systems. If we are to 
modernize to address the emerging threat, we must use resources tied to 
our legacy platforms and weapons systems that are decreasing in 
relevance today and will be irrelevant in a future peer conflict. 
Retaining systems that have either limited contributions, or are simply 
not relevant in the future fight, delays modernization and exacerbates 
future capability gaps while adversary advancements in the air and 
space domains only increase annually. If deterrence fails, our Airmen 
must have the training, tools, munitions, and platforms required to 
win. We must recognize the inherent tension between near-term and 
future risk to strike the right balance.
Bomber Force Structure
    Our budget request supports the NDS's call for continued 
modernization of the nuclear triad, to ensure a safe, secure, and 
effective nuclear deterrent to backstop our integrated deterrence 
approach. Air Force bombers anchor the air leg of the Nation's Nuclear 
Triad. As a unique national security capability, the B-21 represents 
the future of this bomber force. As modernization continues, the Air 
Force will gradually transition to next-generation B-21s and modernized 
B-52s to provide nuclear and conventional global strike options for 
decades to come.
  B-21
    The B-21 is a Special Access Program (SAP). Budget year requests at 
the appropriation level are unclassified, but most supporting details 
are classified and provided to Congress in appropriate classified 
forums. The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget includes $2.8 billion 
in Research Development Test & Evaluation (RDT&E) for the continuation 
of Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD), and also includes 
modernization activities. Modernization includes, but is not limited 
to, Long Range Standoff Weapon (LRSO) integration, new conventional 
weapons integration, air vehicle provisioning for future capabilities, 
sensors, and continued nuclear certification activities. The Fiscal 
Year 2025 President's Budget includes $2.7 billion in Procurement 
funding for the execution toward Lot 3 of Low Rate Initial Production 
(LRIP). In addition to aircraft costs, which includes Advance 
Procurement, this also provides funding for producibility improvements, 
approved LRIP Active Management strategies, initial spares, support 
equipment, Diminishing Manufacturing Sources and Material Shortages 
(DMSMS) or obsolescence issues, and depot standup. The Fiscal Year 2025 
President's Budget includes $220.3 million in Main Operating Bases 
(MOB) Military Construction (MILCON) funding for three projects at 
Ellsworth Air Force Base (AFB), SD, the Addition and Alteration (ADAL) 
Squadron Ops facility, Environmental Protection Shelters (EPS), and 
Alert Apron, as well as continued Planning & Design. The Fiscal Year 
2025 President's Budget also supports funding for two MILCON projects 
at Dyess AFB, TX, Refueler Parking and Fuels Admin Lab, as well as 
continued Planning & Design.
  B-52 Squadrons
    The Air Force is transitioning to a two-bomber force: B-21 and 
modernized B-52 aircraft. The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget 
request for all B-52 modifications is $1.046 billion RDT&E and $215.013 
million procurement. This funding enables the Air Force to advance the 
most comprehensive modernization in the platform's history, executing 
numerous on-going modernization programs in various acquisition phases 
from early development phase through production and fielding phase. 
Major B-52 modernization efforts include the Commercial Engine 
Replacement Program (CERP) and the Radar Modernization Program (RMP).
    The B-52J CERP has a Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request of 
$785.0 million RDT&E and $2.1 million for advance procurement of Common 
Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) cards for the display and sensor system 
processor (DASSP). B-52J CERP initiated as a Middle Tier Acquisition 
(MTA) program, selected Boeing as integrator (March 2018), selected 
Rolls-Royce as engine provider (September 2021), completed Preliminary 
Design Review (PDR) (October 2022), and delivered a virtual System 
Prototype (vSP) that provided residual operational capability to Air 
Force Global Strike Command (AFGSC) (October 2023). B-52J CERP has 
completed MTA requirements by delivering a digital prototype and has 
transitioned to a Major Capability Acquisition (MCA) (November 2023). 
The program continues to mature cost and schedule to set a program 
baseline at Milestone B targeted for September 2024. In fiscal year 
2025 the program will be in the EMD phase, and will be integrating the 
electronics controls, displays, electrical systems, engine support 
components, and advanced engine testing required for conversion to B-
52J.
    B-52H Radar Modernization Program (RMP) has a Fiscal Year 2025 
President's Budget request of $179.8 million RDT&E and $129.5 million 
in procurement. B-52H RMP replaced the first B-52 EMD aircraft's 1980's 
radar system with Raytheon's advanced, modern, off-the-shelf APG-79 
radar system in September 2023. The program entered EMD on June 10, 
2021 and awarded a development contract to Boeing Defense on June 14, 
2021. B-52H RMP completed system-level Critical Design Review (CDR) in 
February 2022. Boeing started modifying the first B-52H RMP test 
aircraft in May 2023 and USAF will begin developmental flight tests in 
November 2024 at Edwards AFB. Milestone C Decision Point #1 is 
scheduled for 2nd quarter fiscal year 2025, and Milestone C Decision 
Point #2 is scheduled for 4th quarter fiscal year 2025.
  B-2
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $41.2 million in 
RDT&E for B-2 to continue development and flight testing to modernize 
avionics, communications systems, cockpit displays, armament systems, 
low-observable components, aircraft supportability improvements, and 
support equipment development. The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget 
also requests $101.5 million in procurement to allow the Air Force to 
purchase and install equipment for modernized avionics, communications 
systems, cockpit displays, low-observable components, and training 
systems, as well as to provide maintenance and repair capabilities for 
B-2 systems.
  B-1
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $17.9 million in 
RDT&E to complete development and flight testing to modernize the B-1's 
secure communications systems. All of this is in preparation for 
transition to production in fiscal year 2025, which enables fleet 
installations to be completed by fiscal year 2027. Also, the Fiscal 
Year 2025 President's Budget requests $13.4 million for B-1 procurement 
to allow the Air Force to begin installation of secure communication 
kits and procure external Load Adaptable Modular (LAM) pylons. The 
external pylon integration maximizes carriage of standoff munitions on 
the B-1 and allows the Air Force to increase volume of fires from 
standoff ranges.
Fighter Force Structure
    The Air Force must continue to evolve its fighter force structure 
to meet the pacing challenge posed by the People's Republic of China 
(PRC) and the acute threat posed by Russia and ensure the capability 
and capacity to meet worldwide demands today. Extensive gaming and 
analysis (using the most difficult problem-sets and scenarios) show 
that the Air Force must adjust the future fighter force structure mix 
by adjusting investment priorities to provide the capability, capacity, 
and affordability required to defeat any peer threat. The threat will 
not allow the Air Force to just retain and modernize our current 
fleets. Modernization programs cannot transform our current fourth-
generation fighters into fifth-generation fighters, or our current 
fifth-generation fighters into Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD).
    In realistic budget projections, we must balance the need for high-
end technology with affordable capacity. To attain this desired fighter 
fleet, the Air Force must continue to right size current aircraft 
inventories to expedite the transition away from less capable, aging 
aircraft and emphasize investment in future capabilities such as NGAD 
and F-35 modernization. The desired Air Force fighter fleet should 
match capability and capacity of both platforms and weapons to mission 
requirements. As part of its force structure change, the Air Force must 
transition its fighter fleet from seven platforms (i.e., F-35, F-22, F-
16, F-15E/EX, F-15C, A-10) to four (i.e., NGAD, F-35, F-15E/EX, F-16), 
plus Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA).
    On the path to achieving the desired future fighter fleet, the 
Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget continues to seek opportunities to 
divest systems that are not consistent with pacing challenges and focus 
on the key capabilities required to execute the NDS. Moving away from 
outdated and less capable legacy platforms allows us to redirect 
manpower to our newest aircraft/platforms, many of which require both 
experienced maintainers and pilots to maintain our competitive edge. 
These divestitures are critical to building a relevant future force 
capable of meeting the pacing challenge. Resourcing those future 
capabilities and modernizing our remaining force demands both money and 
manpower currently tied up in our legacy systems and platforms.
  Fighter Force Structure Studies
    Our fighters are becoming significantly more expensive to sustain 
as they age. The average age of the Air Force fleet is 26 years, which 
is significantly higher than all other Services. Weapons System 
Sustainment (WSS) costs have increased approximately 40 percent above 
inflation over fiscal year 2016 to fiscal year 2027. We need new 
platforms and weapons to replace an aging force, but also must invest 
in cutting edge technology needed to confront and outpace threats.
    Both internally and alongside the Office of the Secretary of 
Defense (OSD), the Air Force has performed a Tactical Aircraft (TACAIR) 
analysis to evaluate how efficiently different force mixes meet future 
warfighting challenges in the 2035-2040 timeframe. Specifically, this 
study focused on fighter force mixes and quantities that were both 
affordable and militarily effective. The Air Force TACAIR Study was an 
initial step in creating a long-term plan for our future fighter force. 
While this study was not published, it was used internally by the Air 
Force to inform both fiscal year 2025 and future year programming 
efforts.
Fighters
  F-35
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget prioritizes investments in 
F-35 modernization, infrastructure, and advanced weapons, and commits 
$5.9 billion to procurement, $1.2 billion to development and $2.8 
billion to sustainment. The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request 
for 42 F-35A aircraft represents a decrease of 6 aircraft from the 
Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget position. Decreasing F-35A 
procurement was not an arbitrary decision. Reducing aircraft quantities 
enables the Air Force to fund unplanned increases to F-35 support costs 
without significant increases to the F-35 budget. Additionally, slowing 
the pace of procurement allows added flexibility for Lockheed Martin to 
work through the issues related to Block 4 development and integration.
    Propulsion and power-thermal-management-systems-development 
investments help ensure capability enhancements continue to be viable 
for the platform as demands increase, while also reducing lifetime 
sustainment costs. Development funds also address a critical shortfall 
of F-35A flight test aircraft, which alongside System Integration Lab 
(SIL) resources are major F-35 modernization enablers.
    The F-35 is the cornerstone of our future fighter fleet, and as of 
April 2024, 409 F-35As are fielded. Although a formidable platform 
today, the Air Force must continue to smartly modernize the F-35A fleet 
to keep pace with potential adversaries on relevant timelines. The 
current program-wide focus remains on Tech Refresh-3 (TR-3) 
certification and maintainability, which are the foundations for Block 
4 capability upgrades and are designed specifically to compete in the 
highly contested fight in INDOPACOM and EUCOM.
    The Air Force committees commit to controlling F-35 costs for both 
production and sustainment, as well as maximizing mission readiness. 
The Lighting Sustainment Center delivers global support to U.S. 
Services, F-35 Partners, and Foreign Military Sales customers around 
the world. In response to the Fiscal Year 2022 NDAA Section 142 
mandate, the Air Force is working with the OSD, the Department of Navy 
(DoN), and the Joint Program Office (JPO) to assume greater management, 
planning, and execution roles of sustainment functions, both to improve 
aircraft availability and further reduce sustainment costs.
  F-22
    The F-22 is the Joint Force's preeminent air superiority fighter 
and the only operational weapon system capable of countering pacing air 
threats at scale into the 2030's. To date, its combination of stealth, 
super-cruise, maneuverability, and integrated avionics have given it 
``First Look, First Shot, First Kill'' capabilities against adversary 
platforms. However, it requires an aggressive modernization strategy to 
ensure continued advantage against emerging threats in highly contested 
environments. The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request furthers 
F-22 modernization with continued development and integration of sensor 
enhancements (SeE), communication systems (Link-16 and Mode 5 Challenge 
and Reply), navigation systems (EGI-M--an advanced navigation 
technology, known as Embedded Global Positioning System (GPS) / 
Inertial Navigation System (INS) Modernization, or EGI-M, and 
Controlled Reception Pattern Antenna-CRPA), and other performance 
upgrades.
    The fiscal year 2025 RDT&E request of $768.6 million greatly 
expands survivability by beginning the Infra-Red Defensive Suite (IRDS) 
Gen III integration effort, while maintaining continued developments 
across the entire F-22 modernization portfolio. The fiscal year 2025 
procurement request of $934.2 million ramps up production of Mode 5 and 
Low-Drag Tanks and Pylons (LDT/P) kits that are essential to reduce 
fratricide potential and extend maximum combat sortie ranges and 
durations.
    To resource these F-22 modernization efforts and invest in sixth-
generation platforms (NGAD), the Air Force has sought to divest F-22 
Block-20 Formal Training Unit (FTU) and Test aircraft in the Fiscal 
Year 2023 President's Budget, Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget, and 
Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget. However, the 2023 NDAA prohibits 
divestment of F-22 aircraft through fiscal year 2027. F-22 Block-20 
aircraft are currently in their third decade of operations, with the 
highest operating costs of any Air Force fighter, and do not possess 
the combat capabilities resident in the F-22 Block-30/35. The Air Force 
remains committed to delivering air superiority to the Joint Force in 
the highly contested environment.
  F-16
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget reduces the F-16 Total 
Aircraft Inventory (TAI) by 11 aircraft, to 830, and continues 
modernizing the post block fleet (i.e., Block 40/42/50/52) to improve 
survivability and offensive viability into the 2040's, filling mission 
roles in conjunction with fifth-and sixth-generation fighters.
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $107 million in 
RDT&E to continue Operational Flight Program (OFP) software updates to 
integrate new mission capabilities, weapons, targeting pods, and 
improved avionics in support of NDS priorities.
    Additionally, the Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests 
$231.9 million for procurement efforts to upgrade core mission computer 
sub-systems to realize full Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) 
radar capabilities, replace or repair aircraft-life-limiting 
components, upgrade the Communications Suite to meet crypto mandates, 
and continue AESA radar installations. Fiscal Year 2025 President's 
Budget F-16 investments align with Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget 
priorities and support the DAF fighter roadmap.
  F-15 Divestments
    In fiscal year 2025, F-15C/D fleet recapitalization continues, and 
the Air Force plans to divest 65 F-15C/D aircraft, many of which are 
beyond their service life and have serious structural risks, wire 
chafing issues, and obsolete parts. The Air Force will also begin 
divesting part of the F-15E fleet, retiring 26 of the older aircraft 
which possess the less capable, Pratt & Whitney 220-engines. F-15 
divestments make way for Air Force modernization, which includes F-15EX 
procurement to replace the aged F-15C/D aircraft, as well as F-15 Eagle 
Passive/Active Warning and Survivability System (EPAWSS) procurement, 
to increase the F-15 fleet's capability and operational readiness.
  F-15EX
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget includes $1.8 billion to 
procure 18 Lot 6 aircraft and 6 pairs of Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFT). 
The funds also support requirements for a sixth operational location, 
which requires investment in spare parts, support equipment, training, 
and other support requirements. Finally, the procurement request 
includes funds to stand up organic, depot-maintenance repair 
capabilities. This request supports a total F-15EX fleet of 98 aircraft 
(6 fewer than in the Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget) and would 
bring total CFT inventory to 18 pairs (12 pairs funded in fiscal year 
2024), enough for one squadron.
    As of January 2024, the Air Force accepted six F-15EX test 
aircraft, located at Eglin AFB. The Air Force expects to begin Lot 2 
aircraft acceptance by the end of 2024 and grow F-15EX inventory to 29 
aircraft by the end of fiscal year 2025.
    The fiscal year 2025 budget contains $56.2 million in RDT&E funds 
to continue F-15EX Non-Recurring Engineering (NRE) and integration 
development efforts, including incremental funding for the Automatic 
Ground Collision Avoidance System (AGCAS) and new Flight Control 
Computer (FCC).
      Forward Fuselage Redesign. Forward fuselage redesign 
challenges delayed six Lot 1 aircraft deliveries. The final two Lot 1 
aircraft are projected to deliver by June 2024, 8 months later than 
projected during the Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget rollout, but 
still within the program baseline threshold.
      Cartridge/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PADs) 
Shortages. Issues have been mitigated through Lot 3 delivery (November 
2025). The Air Force and industry remain engaged to mitigate CAD/PAD 
risks to Lot 4 and beyond.
      Gun System Shortages. DAF, Boeing, and the General 
Dynamics have collaborated to resolve the issue. All operational 
aircraft will deliver with their gun system installed.
  F-15 Modernization (Including F-15 Eagle Passive/Active Warning and 
        Survivability System (EPAWSS))
    The Air Force continues investments in the F-15 fleet to improve 
survivability and lethality within highly contested areas. The future 
F-15E/EX fleet will bring substantial capacity for over-sized long-
range fires, sensors, and electronic warfare capabilities to complement 
fifth-and sixth-generation aircraft and defend critical locations.
    The fiscal year 2025 budget includes $357.6 million in procurement 
funds to order F-15 Eagle Passive/Active Warning and Survivability 
System (EPAWSS) kits for 21 F-15E aircraft, install EPAWSS on 14 F-15E 
aircraft, procure initial spares, provide for interim contractor 
support (repair capabilities), and support other program requirements. 
The procurement request also supports other F-15E system modernization, 
many of which are necessary to comply with National Security Agency and 
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) mandates. Specifically, the 
request funds hardware, installation, and/or interim contractor support 
for new or improved subsystems, which include a mission computer, 
tactical datalink system, radio for satellite communications, and data 
transfer module.
    The fiscal year 2025 budget includes $178.6 million in RDT&E to 
support F-15 annual software releases and flight test infrastructure 
for developmental and operational test requirements of the F-15 
platform and various defense weapon systems. The annual OFP software 
updates integrate new hardware and weapons, counter emerging threats, 
and react to emerging safety of flight issues, preserving the F-15's 
survivability and lethality.
  A-10
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget does not include 
development or procurement requests, in accordance with the Air Force 
plan to divest the entire A-10 fleet by fiscal year 2028 and 
constraints imposed by the ``Sunset Clause'' (10 USC Sec 2244a) 
prohibiting the bulk of A-10 modernization and associated procurement. 
Although the A-10 has limited applications to higher-tier NDS 
priorities and limited survivability in the evolving global threat 
environment, the fleet is sufficiently modernized to meet operational 
needs over the next 5 years and to operate safely through platform 
divestment.
  NGAD Family of Systems--Platform and CCA
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests approximately $3.3 
billion to fund the development, testing, and experimentation of both 
NGAD and CCA, as well as CCA integration with fifth-generation crewed 
platforms. The CCA program will begin concept refinement for the next 
CCA Increment (CCA Inc 2) and explore international participation.
    In April 2024, the DAF exercised two option-award contracts for CCA 
Increment 1 to Anduril and General Atomics to conduct detailed design, 
build, and test of production-representative test articles. In 2024 the 
Air Force plans to award an EMD contract for the NGAD crewed platform. 
These activities, guided by a family of-systems acquisition approach, 
will continue into fiscal year 2025.
  Advanced Engine Development
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request includes $562.3 
million in RDT&E for development of Next Generation Adaptive Propulsion 
(NGAP) prototype engines. The NGAP program builds on Adaptive Engine 
Transition Program prototyping to further advance adaptive cycle engine 
performance and size scalability key to enabling future air dominance 
capabilities. NGAP funding supports production and test of a prototype 
engine by each of two contractors, preserving competition and key 
engine design and manufacturing skills. The program is also driving 
digital transformation of the propulsion industrial base to reduce 
future integration risks while shortening development timelines. This 
continued investment in the advanced propulsion and digital 
transformation of the industrial base are key factors in maintaining 
the U.S. strategic advantages in propulsion technology and development 
capability over competitors and adversaries.
Munitions
  Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM)
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request for AMRAAM 
continues investment in the next generation medium and long-range air-
to-air missiles. AMRAAM continues to be the Air Force's premier beyond 
visual range, all-weather, launch and leave medium range air-to-air 
missile that can defend against more advanced threats in a highly 
contested environment. The Air Force is requesting $447 million for 462 
AMRAAMs to maximize production capacity through the future years 
defense program.
  Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM)
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request for JASSM continues 
investment in the long-range conventional air-to-surface missiles. 
JASSM continues to be the Air Force's premier autonomous precision 
guided standoff cruise missile; able to attack fixed or relocatable 
targets. The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $825 million 
of missile procurement funding for 550 missiles that supports the 
continued multi-year procurement strategy, initiated in fiscal year 
2024. In the Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget the Air Force also 
requests $184 million of RDT&E to support the development of the B-3 
and D variants of the JASSM. This funding supports Software 
development, Weapon Data Link (WDL) development for the JASSM-D, and 
weapon test and evaluation. These RDT&E efforts support fielding the B-
3 and the D variants in fiscal year 2027. The Air Force will continue 
the purchase of the M-code enabled B-3 variant, and the post-launch 
retargetable D variant for all future lots.
  Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM)
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request for LRASM continues 
investment in the long-range conventional air-to-surface missiles 
against high-threat maritime targets. LRASM is highly leveraged on the 
design of JASSM-ER with over 70 percent hardware commonality and shares 
the same production assembly line. The Air Force requests $354 million 
of missile procurement funding for 64 C-1 and 51 C-3 missiles that 
supports LRASM MYP (starting with lot 9 procurement) of AGM-158C and 
AGM-158C-3 variants. The Air Force will continue to purchase the C-3 
variant in fiscal year 2026 lot 10. The LRASM AGM-158C-3 variant will 
be a forward fit Engineering Change Proposal (ECP) to the AGM-158C, to 
enhance long-range strike and existing Offensive Anti-Surface Warfare 
(OASuW) capability. Beginning in fiscal year 2026 through the outyears, 
the Air Force will be procuring LRASM C-3 only, until the missile 
inventory objective is met. The DoN has oversight and primary 
management authority for the LRASM program, to include system 
development, with interest from the DAF as the lead for weapons 
procurement and contracting.
  Stand-in Attack Weapon (SiAW)
    The Air Force continues to invest in technology to counter future 
peer threats and continues development of the SiAW to deliver a strike 
capability to defeat rapidly relocatable targets, a hallmark of the 
highly contested environment. SiAW is the munition that gives the F-35 
unique air-to-surface capabilities in the high-end fight for the Joint 
Force. The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $376 million 
for SiAW development and prototyping, along with $173 million in 
procurement funding to field Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile 
Extended Range (AARGM-ER) on the F-35 as an interim capability.
  Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW)
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget does not include a request 
for ARRW RDT&E or procurement funding. ARRW recently completed the 
final test of its All-Up Round executed under rapid prototyping 
authorities in March 2024. While future ARRW decisions are pending 
final analysis of all flight test data, the service is pleased to 
report that the ARRW rapid prototyping program is a categorical 
success.
    Though specific test objectives cannot be provided in an 
unclassified forum, the test acquired valuable, unique data, and was 
intended to further a range of programs such as ARRW and Hypersonic 
Attack Cruise Missile (HACM). It also validated and improved the Air 
Force's test and evaluation capabilities for continued development of 
advanced hypersonic systems.
  Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile (HACM)
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request of $517.0 million 
in RDT&E for the HACM development allows the Air Force to mature HACM 
through ground and flight testing, continue model-based engineering and 
digital ecosystem, complete critical design, and increase production 
readiness. Funding will support finalization of design verification 
testing, execution of initial qualification testing, and aircraft 
integration activities required for the HACM flight test campaign in 
fiscal year 2025 through fiscal year 2027 and enable production article 
procurement by fiscal year 2027.
Aerial Refueling
    Near-peer competitors have made significant advancements that 
threaten today's tanker fleet and potentially forces them to operate 
farther away from their area of responsibility. The stacked demand of 
global operations requires a set number of air refueling tankers with 
specific connectivity, survivability, and agility capabilities, 
generating at mission capable rates to meet timelines and win the 
fight. The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $3.2 billion in 
RDT&E and procurement to continue uninterrupted tanker 
recapitalization.
  KC-46A
    The KC-46A continues to provide increased operational readiness, 
flexibility, connectivity, and survivability to the Global Reach 
mission. To date, 139 production aircraft are on contract and 82 KC-
46As have been delivered to the warfighter.
    The Air Force continues to work with Boeing to correct deficiencies 
with the Remote Vision System (RVS) and stiff air refueling boom. We 
are committed to ensuring these deficiencies are properly addressed 
without undue burden on the taxpayers or warfighters. The RVS 2.0 
solution and start of fleet retrofit is now scheduled in fiscal year 
2026. In addition, the stiff boom deficiency design solution is 
expected to start fielding in fiscal year 2026.
    While the KC-46A program is addressing these challenges, Air 
Mobility Command (AMC) has accepted a certain level of risk and cleared 
the KC-46A for worldwide operations, using existing approved 
restrictions, operational guidance, and risk assessments for all 
Mobility aircraft. KC-46As must fill rotational deployments to ensure 
KC-135 units remain within deploy-to-dwell redlines and are afforded 
training opportunities to meet operational readiness requirements. The 
Air Force will utilize the capability the KC-46A can provide today, in 
order to support global operations and continue the KC-46A transition 
while we divest KC-10's and KC-135s. The A-10 is not cleared for 
operational refueling; the E-2D, C-32B, and B-21 are awaiting receiver 
certification. All other Joint aircraft have been cleared for 
operational air refueling.
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $93.6 million in 
RDT&E funds to support the ongoing KC-46A EMD and post-production 
modification efforts, to include the boom telescope actuator redesign 
that resolves the stiff boom deficiency, continued test and receiver 
aircraft certifications, development for training system required 
updates, and increased effort on the KC-46A Pegasus Advanced 
Communications Suite (PACS) Block 1 program. In addition to PACS Block 
1, AMC will accelerate the means to connect the Mobility Air Forces 
(MAF) via the fiscal year 2025 new start MAF Connectivity to optimize 
operations and close logistics and kill chains. These connectivity 
initiatives will provide the KC-46A with increased communications 
reliability using high-bandwidth, multi-waveform, multi-orbit, 
constellation systems of systems, including accelerating commercial 
satellite-based internet services. Additionally, the budget requests 
$3.1 billion to fund procurement of 15 aircraft in Production Lot 11 
and the associated support costs, along with increased depot standup 
and transition to organic sustainment efforts. The DAF is increasing 
the number of KC-46A programmed aircraft from 179 to 183 aircraft, 
which procures 4 additional aircraft in fiscal year 2027 Production Lot 
13.
  Tanker Recapitalization
    Accelerating future tanker capability and recapitalizing the aging 
tanker fleet is a top priority for the DAF. Tanker Recapitalization is 
the second phase in replacing legacy tanker aircraft, following the KC-
46A program that ensures continuous, uninterrupted tanker 
recapitalization. The DAF's goal is to use the Tanker Recapitalization 
program to replace up to 15 KC-135s per year as they retire between the 
completion of the KC-46A contract and an accelerated Next Generation 
Air-refueling System (NGAS). The program received Joint Requirements 
Oversight Council (JROC) validated requirements and released a draft 
System Requirements Document (SRD) to industry in 2023. Market research 
and the Business Case Analysis (BCA) re-look is complete, the DAF is 
using the data to inform the program's acquisition strategy, scheduled 
to occur in June 2024.
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request of $13.7 million in 
RDT&E funding will support fiscal year 2025 acquisition activities 
including the Future Tanker program office stand up, release of the 
program's Request for Proposal (RFP) to industry, Engineering Support, 
and Cost Analysis.
  Next Generation Air-Refueling System (NGAS)
    NGAS will deliver adaptive and agile platform(s) and mission 
systems as part of a tanker Family of Systems by the mid -2030's. The 
NGAS Analysis of Alternatives (AoA) will consider a wide range of 
designs including clean sheet design(s) and purpose-built aircraft to 
address projected threats and needed capabilities and leverage benefits 
of full and open competition. NGAS held its Materiel Development 
Decision (MDD) milestone in January 2024 and was approved entrance into 
the Material Solution Analysis (MSA) Phase. In addition, the OSD Cost 
Assessment and Program Evaluation approved the AoA study plan, and the 
9-month AoA. It is currently underway, and will be completed in October 
2024. The AoA will shape requirements and determine the technology 
development timeline. Finally, the DAF is standing up a Future Tanker 
program office to execute both the NGAS and Tanker Recapitalization 
programs.
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request of $7.0 million in 
RDT&E funds draft requirements development efforts, prep for the 
acquisition strategy for the Technology, Maturation, and Risk Reduction 
phase and Milestone A prep, and post AoA studies, updates to tanker 
models and run high-fidelity modeling and simulation to further 
exercise Joint warfighting concepts and plans. The DAF is constantly 
evaluating technology acceleration opportunities for the program and is 
awaiting the AoA results and post-AoA modeling and simulation data.
  KC-10 and KC-135
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $32.0 million in 
RDT&E to continue KC-135 fleet communications suite modernization to 
enable digital and secure communications across the fleet. These 
modernization efforts include Aero-I SATCOM, Comm 2 Crypto and Data, 
High-Frequency Modernization, and Mobile User Objective System (MUOS). 
The funding will also be used for drag reduction initiatives to support 
DAF Climate Action Plan (CAP) initiatives in an effort to reduce fleet 
emissions. This funding will address critical DMSMS issues through the 
Center Console Refresh (CCR) program. This effort replaces the 
integrated fuel management panel, fuel management panel, tanker 
interface unit, multi-function display, and the control display unit 
which are all out of production and no longer able to be serviced.
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget also requests $161.6 
million in procurement to continue installation of Real-Time 
Information in the Cockpit (RTIC), Comm 2 Crypto and Data, High-
Frequency Modernization, and the safety of flight Rudder Position 
Indicator (RPI) modifications. These modifications will allow the KC-
135 to meet NSA-crypto mandates. The RPI modifications will allow crews 
enhanced situational awareness into the actual rudder position, versus 
what is commanded, and provide advanced visuals so crews can avoid 
safety of flight situations. The KC-135 will also begin the 
installation of MAF Connectivity enhancement; allowing the tanker to 
close logistics and kill chains. The KC-135 fleet completed all Block 
45 installs in fiscal year 2024. The KC-10 fleet will fully divest by 
the end of fiscal year 2024.
Executive Airlift
    The Executive Airlift fleet supports the President of the United 
States through VC-25 and the Vice President of the United States, First 
Spouse of the United States, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, 
and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff through five different 
aircraft types. Modernization and recapitalization efforts of these 
aircraft will continue to provide reliable operational support and keep 
passengers globally connected while airborne.
  VC-25A
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request of $11.4 million in 
procurement is for Block Upgrade efforts (low-latency worldwide data 
connections, aggregated throughput bandwidth, and Multi-Role Tactical 
Common Data Link (MRTCDL) on one aircraft, low-cost modifications, and 
service bulletins.
  VC-25B
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $433.9 million in 
RDT&E to continue EMD, aircraft modifications, developmental test and 
evaluation, and other product support activities.
  C-32 / C-40
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $338.7 million in 
procurement funding to purchase one aircraft that will augment the 
current C-32A executive airlift fleet. The acquisition will modify a 
new-production, industry standard, business aircraft by integrating the 
military-specific modifications and Senior Leader Communications 
System-Airborne (SLCS-A) suite already present on the executive airlift 
fleet. The C-32A fleet supports the Top Five (Vice President of the 
United States, First Spouse of the United States, Secretary of State, 
Secretary of Defense, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff). This 
fleet augmentation will alleviate pressure on the C-40B and C-40C 
fleets that currently support combatant commanders, the Cabinet, and 
Congress.
Strategic and Tactical Airlift
    The stacked demand of global operations requires a set number of 
strategic and tactical airlift aircraft with specific connectivity, 
survivability, and agility capabilities now, generating at mission-
capable rates to meet timelines and win the fight.
  C-5M
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $55.0 million in 
procurement, predominately for Crown Skins, as well as Communications, 
Navigation, Surveillance/Air Traffic Management (CNS/ATM), C-5 Core 
Mission Computer/Weather Radar (CMC/WxR) system equipment, and Mission 
Systems Equipment Lavatories (MSEL). Crown Skins replacement and 
lavatory modifications address corrosion issues decreasing availability 
of aircraft and causing grounding. CNS/ATM complies with civil airspace 
mandates for US National Airspace System and international civil 
airspace. CMC/WxR upgrades computer processor modules and addresses 
obsolescence issues.
    Additionally, the Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests 
$33.0 million in RDT&E to support Replacement of the Multi-functional 
Controls and Display (RMCD), which mitigates the obsolescence of the 
current control and display units and increases capacity for future 
technology integration into the cockpit.
  C-17A
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $113.7 million in 
procurement funding to continue critical modifications to the C-17 
fleet to address obsolescence and flight safety issues. These include 
Beyond Line of Sight (BLOS), Replacement Heads-Up Display (RHUD), and 
Filter Fire Mitigation (FFM) for Onboard Inert Gas Generating System 
(OBIGGS), and Aircraft Connectivity. The BLOS communication system 
effort modernizes multi-channel voice and data communication subsystems 
to address obsolescence issues and enables compliance with FAA and NSA 
mandates. The RHUD modification addresses obsolescence issues with the 
current HUD that will become unsupportable in fiscal year 2026 and 
could cause grounding of aircraft if the current scheduled is delayed. 
FFM includes a redesigned shut off valve that eliminates potential 
filter fires, improves fuel efficiency, and incorporates a Master 
Caution annunciation to warn aircrews of potential filter fire risk. 
MAF Connectivity is a new start program that will provide capability 
for increased aircrew situational awareness, real-time secure command 
and control of forces, and close logistics and kill chains. 
Additionally, the Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $17.4 
million in RDT&E funding to address obsolescence issues. Flight Deck 
Replacement prevents obsolescence in 16 existing C-17 flight deck 
parts. Four parts will significantly impact aircraft availability in 
fiscal year 2029 and deplete assets worldwide by fiscal year 2031.
  C-130H
    The fiscal year 2025 President's budget requests $102.5 million in 
procurement funding to support the C-130H fleet. The Air Force 
continues to modernize the C-130H fleet to ensure aircraft safety, 
airspace compliance, and aircraft systems modernization. Our C-130H 
Center Wing Box replacement program breathes new life into some of our 
more frequently flown aircraft, enabling them to continue to safely 
operate well into the future. The Avionics Modernization Program (AMP) 
Increment 2 program improves the C-130H fleet maintainability and 
reliability by providing a new digital avionics suite, mitigating 
obsolescence and diminishing manufacturing source challenges, and 
provides Crypto Modification I capabilities to include MUOS/SATURN 
upgrades.
  C-130J
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $34.4 million in 
RDT&E and $209.3 million for procurement and modification efforts. The 
Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget also requests $24.9 million in 
RDT&E for HC/MC-130J and $231.9 million for procurement and 
modification efforts for HC/MC-130J.
    The Air Force has partially recapitalized the C-130H fleet with C-
130Js, which also supports our Special Operations missions by providing 
Special Forces with extra weight carrying capacity, longer range, and 
better fuel efficiency. These special mission variants of the C-130J 
conduct weather reconnaissance (WC-130J), search and rescue (HC-130J), 
and special operations (MC-130J and AC-130J). The Air Force has 
multiple modification efforts for the C-130J, including Center Wing Box 
replacement, Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures, communications 
upgrades, and Block 8.1. The C-130J Block 8.1 modernization program, 
currently in production, delivers new communication and data link 
capabilities, a modern flight management system, and other key 
capabilities to the field. In addition, the Air Force plans to upgrade 
both our C-130H and C-130J fleets with a MUOS and a Second-Generation 
Anti-Jam Tactical Ultra High Frequency Radio satellite communication 
system to ensure we maintain key communication links anywhere in the 
world.
Rotary
  HH-60G and HH-60W (Combat Rescue Helicopter)
    The Air Force is the only Service with a dedicated force organized, 
trained, and equipped to execute theater-wide Personnel Recovery. The 
HH-60G fleet currently accomplishes this mission by conducting day, 
night, and marginal weather Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) operations 
to recover isolated personnel in hostile or permissive environments. 
The planned fleet of 96 HH-60W will replace the HH-60G in this role. 
The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $2.1 million in 
procurement for the HH-60G and $52.3 million in RDT&E and $193.5 
million in procurement for the HH-60W program.
  MH-139A
    In April, the Air Force notified Congress of a critical Average 
Procurement Unit Cost (APUC) breach of at least 31.3 percent and a 
Program Acquisition Unit Cost (PAUC) breach of at least 43.1 percent. 
The breach is largely due to the reduction of 38 air vehicles in the 
fiscal year 2025 PB. The DAF intends to continue the orderly 
performance of the MH-139A program while we work with OUSD (A&S) to 
complete the Critical Nunn-McCurdy process and report to Congress on 
the Department of Defense's decision to certify or terminate the MH-
139A program by mid-October, the timeline required by statute.
    The MH-139A program will deliver 42 replacement helicopters, 
training devices, and associated support equipment to replace the 
legacy UH-1Ns for AFGSC. Air Force District of Washington, Fairchild 
AFB, WA, Kirtland AFB, NM, and Duke Field, FL, will continue to fly the 
UH-1Ns. The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $333.5 million 
in procurement for the MH-139 program, which will fund LRIP for eight 
aircraft, training devices, and support equipment. The first six 
aircraft continue to be used to finalize test and development. The 
first LRIP lot will deliver 13 aircraft in fiscal year 2025 and the 
second LRIP lot will deliver 7 aircraft in fiscal year 2026.
  CV-22
    The CV-22 is the Air Force variant of the joint V-22 tilt-rotor 
aircraft. It allows for long-distance, terrain following, vertical lift 
operations with increased survivability and is the only high-speed 
vertical lift platform in the Air Force inventory. The Air Force lost 
eight Airmen in a CV-22 Osprey mishap on November 29, 2023, off the 
shore of Yakushima, Japan. In response, Lieutenant General Tony 
Bauernfeind, Air Force Special Operations Commander, convened safety 
and aircraft investigation boards to determine the cause of the mishap 
and the tragic loss of life. On December 6, 2023, Lieutenant General 
Bauernfeind directed an operational stand-down of the Air Force CV-22 
aircraft to mitigate risk during the mishap investigation. It has been 
determined that a materiel failure of a component led to the mishap. 
Furthermore, information from the Air Force Safety Investigation Board 
and an evaluation of historical data from over 750,000 V-22 flight 
hours identified the need for additional maintenance and procedural 
controls to mitigate risk. Institution of these controls and a safety 
focused, multi-phased approach for maintainers, aircrew, and aircraft 
enabled a return to flight authorization on March 8, 2024. Full 
operational capability of the CV-22 is expected in summer 2024. The 
Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $84.8 million to continue 
development and modifications to increase CV-22 fleet reliability, 
capability, and survivability. Investments in these areas will ensure 
the CV-22 fleet remains ready, reliable, and relevant in the future. 
Notable investments include the Block 20 Mission Computer Obsolescence 
Initiative to replace older mission computers and upgrades several 
avionics systems. Additionally, investments in Nacelle Improvement 
include redesigned wiring and structural improvements of the nacelles 
designed to increase aircraft availability by over 5 percent.
Trainers
  T-1, T-6, and T-38
    The Air Force is continuing investment efforts in its legacy 
trainer platforms, including critical modernization programs for the T-
6 and T-38 fleets. The T-1A Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request 
of $0.133 million in procurement funds low-cost modification efforts of 
the T-1A. The divestment of the T-1A fleet resumed on April 15, 2024, 
following SecAF certification of the Pilot Training curriculum in 
accordance with the fiscal year 2024 NDAA. Training of future Mobility 
pilots and Combat System Operators, currently being conducted in the T-
1A Aircraft, will be accomplished in simulators.
    The T-6 Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request of $130.2 
million in procurement and $38.6 million in RDT&E supports the 
procurement of Crash Survivable Recorders and the continued development 
of Avionics Replacement Program (ARP). In fiscal year 2025, the T-6 
will begin a major ARP to address DMSMS for critical avionics issues.
    Continued investments are also required for the modification and 
sustainment of the T-38 fleet until the T-7A becomes operational. 
Programs include avionics updates, and structural life extension 
programs such as Pacer Classic III, and the Talon Repair, Inspections, 
Maintenance program. The T-38 Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget 
requests $115.5 million in procurement to support the procurement of 
kits that will update the T-38 avionics and extend the structural life 
of the T-38.
  T-7A
    The T-7A aircraft and simulators will fill training capability gaps 
for fourth-and fifth-generation fighter aircraft by replacing T-38C 
aircraft and simulators used in the advanced fighter/bomber track of 
Specialized Undergraduate Pilot Training, Introduction to Fighter 
Fundamentals, Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training, and Pilot Instructor 
Training. On September 27, 2018, a $9.2 billion fixed price contract 
was awarded to the Boeing Company, providing for the anticipated 
delivery of 351 aircraft, 46 associated training devices, and other 
ancillary supplies and service. The first T-7A aircraft and simulators 
are scheduled to arrive at Joint Base San Antonio-Randolph (JBSAR) in 
2025. All undergraduate pilot training bases will eventually transition 
from the T-38 to the T-7A. The combination of digital engineering and 
early prototyping enabled the T-7A program to identify and resolve 
unfavorable control and handling characteristics at the early stages of 
development. The utilization of Boeing owned T-7 prototypes has 
supported the Advanced Pilot Training acquisition schedule.
    The Air Force and Boeing have made significant progress in 
resolving the egress system and flight control law issues that led to 
the delay of Milestone C from fiscal year 2023 to fiscal year 2025. 
Numerous studies and redesign have led to the increased safety of the 
egress system and refinement of the flight control software. The 
program will validate the design changes by conducting a total of 22 
test shots. The Air Force and Boeing will continue to work together to 
ensure the timely resolution of issues as the T-7A progresses through 
the EMD phase.
    First Flight of the T-7A occurred on June 28, 2023 at the Boeing 
facility in St Louis, Missouri. The Air Force accepted its first EMD 
aircraft (APT002) on September 15, 2023 and conducted its first flight 
test on December 20, 2023 at Edwards AFB. Since its first flight tests, 
APT002 has conducted multiple flutter flight tests. Additionally, 
APT003 has completed initial climatic tests at Eglin AFB. Boeing has 
also delivered APT001 and it will conduct loads test at Edwards AFB. 
Finally, in mid fiscal year 2024, the program will conduct critical 
High Angle of Attack (HAA) flight tests using Boeing-owned prototypes 
to validate design refinements to its flight control software. Boeing 
is expected to deliver the final two EMD aircraft by the end of the 
second quarter of fiscal year 2024.
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request of $83.8 million in 
RDT&E funds the testing and development of the EMD aircrafts and Ground 
Based Training Systems (GBTS). Additionally, the Fiscal Year 2025 
President's Budget request of $277.8 million in procurement funds the 
first seven LRIP aircraft, associated spares and GBTS devices. The Air 
Force remains focused on working with Boeing to enable the T-7A program 
to achieve Milestone C.
Command and Control
  E-7A Wedgetail
    Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget includes $418.5 million to 
continue rapid prototyping of the first 2 E-7 aircraft in support of a 
production decision in fiscal year 2026. To support Joint and coalition 
forces, the Air Force must provide a mix of space and airborne sensors 
and decision support capabilities for Command and Control (C2) and 
Airborne Moving Target Indicator (AMTI) in the air domain. AMTI 
investment is essential to countering advanced and emerging air threats 
fielded or in development by adversaries. While the E-3 lacks the 
capability to support high end operations and cannot be modified to 
close existing Airborne C2 and AMTI capability gaps, the Air Force is 
committed to sustaining and maintaining the remaining 16 AWACS to be 
operationally ready.
    Boeing's proposal for the Rapid Prototyping Program (RPP) was much 
higher than expected, so the Air Force is evaluating courses of action 
to determine the best way forward. At this time, Air Force's primary 
focus is working with Boeing to get the E-7 platform to a level of 
affordability the Service can prudently pursue and to successfully 
demonstrate the Rapid Prototyping phase of the program. OSD and the Air 
Force have worked to rephase planned production decisions and funding 
to support RPP contract negotiations and definitization efforts.
    The United States Air Force, the Royal Air Force, and the Royal 
Australian Air Force are committed to collaborating on E-7 programs for 
mutual benefit through cooperative capability development, evaluation 
and testing, interoperability, sustainment, operations, training, and 
safety.
  E-3 AWACS
    The E-3 Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft 
continues to be a worldwide integrated battle management command and 
control (BMC2) surveillance, target detection, and tracking platform. 
The aircraft has been in service since the mid-1970's. Due to its age 
and sustainability issues, the E-3 AWACS has become increasingly 
expensive to support. It also lacks sufficient capability and capacity 
to operate in a near-peer conflict to meet Combatant Commander needs. 
Divesting part of the fleet will temporarily improve sustainability by 
adding high demand-low availability parts back into the supply chain. 
As part of the previous Fiscal Year 2023 and Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budgets, the Air Force divested a total of 15 AWACS 
aircraft, leaving a total of 16 aircraft to remain operational until 
its replacement, the E-7 Wedgetail, is delivered to the warfighter.
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $68.2 million in 
procurement to complete final modifications necessary to meet system 
operational mandates and address diminishing manufacturing sources as 
part of our commitment to ensuring E-3 AWACS mission readiness.
Electronic Warfare
  EA-37B Compass Call
    Compass Call is the DAF's only wide-area, standoff, Airborne 
Electromagnetic Attack (AEA) Command and Control Warfare/Information 
Operations weapon system. The Compass Call program is currently 
undergoing a re-host effort to transition the capability from the EC-
130H to the EA-37B in order to maintain U.S. Electromagnetic Spectrum 
(EMS) superiority in future conflicts. The EC-37B was redesignated to 
become the EA-37B, which better identifies the platform's mission of 
offensive electromagnetic attack. The Air Force greatly appreciates the 
ongoing congressional support to the Compass Call program. To date, ten 
EA-37B aircraft have been procured and are at various stages of 
modification, with limited fielding for training only in mid-fiscal 
year 2025, and initial operational fielding in late fiscal year 2025.
    With the Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget, the Air Force will be 
focused on completing Developmental and Operational Test for the 
rehosted EA-37B capability, as well as furthering development of the 
mission system upgrade for fielding System Wide Open Reconfigurable 
Dynamic Architecture (SWORD-A) capabilities. The open and agile 
architecture of SWORD-A will enable a more rapid response capability 
against emerging threats and will be the foundation for future baseline 
upgrades.
Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance
  MQ-9
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget of $19.5 million aimed at 
providing needed capabilities to the Combatant Commands. To date, the 
MQ-9 fleet has flown over 3 million hours, with the vast majority of 
those hours supporting combat operations.
    The Air Force will finalize the transfer of the remaining 6 of 10 
Block 5 aircraft to the Marine Corps. The Air Force will remove high 
time Block 5 aircraft in fiscal year 2027. The AF has enough Block 5 
aircraft to maintain current operations through the end of the FYDP.
  RQ-4 Global Hawk
    Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request focuses on maintaining 
the nine-airplane fleet, Multi-Platform Radar Technology Insertion 
Program (MP-RTIP) sensor, and ground systems at a minimum viable level 
until divestment. The Global Hawk will divest when replacement 
capabilities are available, a change from the Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget request in which divestiture was scheduled for 
fiscal year 2027.
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $9.5 million in 
RDT&E to support ongoing engineering and logistics effort for all 
Global Hawk projects required for sustainment.
                           daf battle network
    DAF Program Executive Officer for Command, Control, Communications, 
and Battle Management (DAF PEO C3BM) is the acquisition lead alongside 
the Advanced Battle Management System (ABMS) Cross-Functional Team 
which is the operational lead for the development of the DAF BATTLE 
NETWORK, which aligns USAF and USSF command, control, and 
communications (C3) capabilities across 50+ core programs to fuse 
sensors, effectors, and sustainment grids for decisional advantage. The 
Advanced Battle Management System (ABMS) is the budget Program Element 
which funds key architecture development, software and applications, 
digital infrastructure, and aerial networking capabilities to the 
integration of C2 capabilities as part of DAF BATTLE NETWORK.
    The Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget requests $743.8 million 
within the ABMS PE to support the continued development of the DAF 
BATTLE NETWORK architecture and enabling infrastructure. It allows for 
the additional development of a DAF architecture and analysis for 
relevant contested air, space and maritime mission threads. It also 
enables the design, testing and initial deployment of digital 
infrastructure to U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, U.S. European Command, and 
U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) delivered through five programs of 
record spanning the development of a software-defined wide area 
network, deployable, mobile and fixed digital infrastructure, and 
deployable systems.
    Additionally, the Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request 
supports the continued development of key Command and Control (C2) 
software programs, including Cloud-Based C2 (CBC2) which is currently 
delivering capability for homeland defense to North American Aerospace 
Defense Command/USNORTHCOM, and two additional programs focused on the 
development of a common user interface for battle management command 
and control (BMC2) and sensor orchestration.
    Finally, the Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget request supports 
continued development of aerial networking capabilities through the 
Phalanx Griffon program, which will develop the technical framework to 
expand airborne edge networking capabilities to deliver both data and 
internet protocol routing between tactical aircraft and the DAF BATTLE 
NETWORK. These investments in fiscal year 2025 will enable broader 
fielding of C3 capabilities in fiscal year 2026 and beyond.
                               conclusion
    Thank you again for the opportunity to testify. We look forward to 
working with this subcommittee to ensure the Department of the Air 
Force maintains the necessary military advantage to secure our vital 
national interests and support our allies and partners in 2025 and 
beyond.

    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General. Senator Cotton.
    Thank you, Chairman. I apologize for my late arrival. I was 
at the ceremony to unveil the statue of Daisy Bates, the iconic 
civil rights leader of Little Rock Nine in 1957, which is the 
new statue that the State of Arkansas has chosen to place 
inside Statuary Hall.
    In the interest of time, and with great disappointment to 
you all, I will enter my remarks into the record. I know you 
came here just to hear them.
    Senator Kelly. I am very disappointed.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Senator Tom Cotton follows:]

                Prepared Statement by Senator Tom Cotton
    Gentlemen, welcome and thank you for being here this afternoon.
    Let me cut to the chase. Last year, I commended you for finally 
maximizing the tactical fighter production line to get the Air Force 
closer to the capacity it needs to fight the Nation's wars. This year's 
budget cuts the numbers, again. There is no apparent consistency in 
your force design. We should be producing F-35s at full rate 
production, ramping up F-15EX production, and expediting development of 
the E-7 Wedgetail, or some other way to conduct battle management in a 
modern battlespace.
    We must also fix our dwindling inventory of missiles and munitions 
made even more serious by dozens of Air Force missions to defend Israel 
in the past months. This is a matter of life and death for those you 
protect with our Air Power--if an entire F-15E squadron and its 
missiles were absent from the Middle East, would you have been so 
successful in shooting down all those drones and cruise missiles? Your 
budget cuts the very aircraft that conducted those missions.
    I would also like to understand how you are maintaining the 
lethality of the Air Force while we wait to field Next Generation Air 
Dominance aircraft and Collaborative Combat Aircraft. We must develop 
capabilities for the future, especially to maintain air superiority 
through the 2030's. However, we cannot continue to neglect the upgrades 
we need to ``fight tonight,'' especially on the fighters, bombers, and 
mobility aircraft we will rely upon for decades to come.
    If your answer is that you cannot afford these things, then you 
need to advocate for more money, and loudly. We can't hear you.
    The Air Force seems to be in danger of becoming overextended based 
on current events. I would like to know how you are planning to 
overcome existing gaps in capacity, while readying for great power 
conflict, without exhausting personnel and equipment.
    I look forward to hearing what you have to say on these topics. 
Thank you.

    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Senator Cotton. We will start 
with questions here. I am going to start with Secretary Hunter.
    Secretary Hunter, as you know, 60 to 80 percent of 
lifecycle costs for the average airplane is sustainment, and at 
various times there have been press reports that the Air Force 
leadership is wondering whether you could afford to buy all 
1,763 F-35s and pay for the lifecycle costs at the same time. 
Some estimates had the flying hour costs at $39,000 an hour.
    The F-35 is the most advanced weapons system in the world. 
I got to experience this just in January when I flew an F-16 
against an F-35, and was very impressed with some of the F-35's 
capabilities.
    This aircraft is critical to us maintaining our competitive 
edge over our near-peer adversaries. So Secretary Hunter, could 
you tell us what avenues the Air Force is investigating for 
reducing the lifecycle costs of the F-35 so that we can afford 
to operate the airplanes in the numbers that we need, and what 
progress have you made in reducing the operating and support 
costs?
    Mr. Hunter. Well, we work a very close construct with the 
F-35 Joint Program Office and with the Department of the Navy 
to really get after the issue of F-35 sustainment costs. We 
have a number of initiatives that we have been working on, some 
of which have been accelerated by the National Defense 
Authorization provisions Section 142 direction to us, to 
examine how we better leverage the enterprise sustainment 
capabilities of the services, Navy and Air Force, to more 
affordably sustain that aircraft. That is something that the 
Air Force is committed to. We are putting together a transition 
team to help us tackle some of those challenges.
    The biggest one that the Air Force is focused on initially 
is the supply chain management part of the problem. We do 
supply chain management for a lot of large air fleets, a lot of 
large international air fleets, the F-16 being an example. We 
believe that there are savings to be had by leveraging some of 
our enterprise sustainment capabilities, in addition to the 
capabilities that Lockheed brings to the table, to the 
partnership.
    Senator Kelly. Mr. Secretary, could you talk a little bit 
about the F135 engine and some of the challenges? I know the 
Air Force has faced turbine blade issues, also cooling problems 
that are tied to the expansion of capability. But is the engine 
one of the biggest components in trying to bring down the 
lifecycle costs?
    Mr. Hunter. Well, it is a huge component of lifecycle 
costs. You are absolutely right about that, and when I first 
came into this job we had huge issues of engines not being 
available because of the turbine issue that you talked about, 
and we had power modules that were just not functioning and had 
to be returned to the depot for repairs. A lot of aircraft 
sitting without engines.
    We have largely worked through that issue, thanks to the 
incredible work of the folks at Tinker and the Air Logistics 
Center there, in close partnership with Pratt & Whitney. It was 
a team effort to really get through that issue. So now we are 
able to generate the number of power modules that it takes to 
keep engines in our fleet.
    There is a longer term issue, as you identified. Because of 
the need for power for all of the systems of the F-35, that 
longer term, we are working through the lifecycle of the F135 
engine faster than what was projected. That has led us to make 
an investment in the ECU upgrade to the F135 engine to get 
after restoring the full lifetime of the engine.
    Senator Kelly. What is the current goal for per-flight-hour 
costs that you are trying to get to, from $39,000 an hour?
    Mr. Hunter. I would have to do some translations. So we 
articulate that goal in the Air Force as a cost per tail per 
year of $6.8 million, which is the goal that we have 
established. We are actually not far from that goal today.
    Senator Kelly. How many hours does that give you?
    Mr. Hunter. I would have to go back and look. I believe it 
is 180.
    Senator Kelly. Yes, that is $37,000 per flight hour. That 
is still incredibly high. I am not sure what the F-22 is, but I 
cannot imagine it is as high as $39,000.
    Go ahead, General.
    Lieutenant General Harris. So the F-22s, in particular, the 
Block 20's are in the neighborhood of $75,000 per hours.
    Senator Kelly. Wow.
    Lieutenant General Harris. That is part of our challenge 
with those aircraft.
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, we will work--we will not stop trying to 
get that cost lower, but from my perspective it is not uncommon 
with what we are seeing in our other fleets, what we are seeing 
right now with F-35.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you.
    Mr. Hunter. That cost.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Cotton.
    Senator Cotton. I want to explore the topic of force design 
and Department plans. General Harris, you mentioned in your 
opening statement that Air Force fighters are older than the 
other services, with an average age of 26 years. Is that 
correct?
    Lieutenant General Harris. I believe that was the comment 
that was made, yes.
    Senator Cotton. Does that mean that sustainment cost are 
rising as the fleet ages, and thus reducing funds that are 
available for modernization needs?
    Lieutenant General Harris. There is always a tension 
between the modernization and the readiness, and when you start 
putting upgrades onto them, how much can we do per tail, per 
upgrade, and still maintain pilot absorption. So that tension 
for readiness and modernization will still exist, yes.
    Senator Cotton. That sounds like a yes.
    Lieutenant General Harris. Yes.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. How does the procurement of F-15EX, 
F-35, Next Generation Air Dominance manned fighters help you 
avoid that downward spiral of continued sustainment cost 
growth?
    Lieutenant General Harris. So from a force design aspect, 
what we do is we look at where do we need to be with respect to 
the threat into the future. That mix of what is an inside force 
and what is an outside force is the balance that we are trying 
to maintain. That becomes the mix of the Collaborative Combat 
Aircraft, the CCA, plus the F-15EX. So if you think about the 
number of rails and the number of munitions you can put on the 
EX as an outside force, working your way into the contested 
environment, there has to be a mix of both.
    When I mentioned in my comments about the force being out 
of balance, we have a great short-range fighter game right now, 
but it is not the inside force that we need. What we need to do 
is pivot to a more outside force, with more rails, the F-15EX, 
and the like.
    From a force design standpoint, that is how I would answer 
the question. I think if there is an operational piece I would 
pass that off to General Spain or General Moore as far as the 
cost per tail.
    Senator Cotton. Before that, how important is the Next 
Generation Air Dominance manned fighter to your future force 
design?
    Lieutenant General Harris. The Next Generation Air 
Dominance family of systems is critical to what we do. What I 
mean by that is the technologies that are being developed 
within that portfolio and where we are going with the entire 
enterprise, it is feeding technologies and it has helped us 
create S&T and other areas that we are leveraging to put into 
other platforms and weapons systems.
    Senator Cotton. I mentioned the manned fighter. You talked 
about the family of systems. Can you speak directly to the 
manned fighter?
    Lieutenant General Harris. I can ask Secretary Hunter.
    Senator Cotton. Do you want to jump in on that one?
    Mr. Hunter. On that one, so for our fiscal year 2025 budget 
request we are requesting significant funds for the crewed 
fighter part of the NGAD family of systems, and all the members 
of the family are leveraging the technology that General Harris 
described. But yes, we have requested significant funds in our 
fiscal year 2025 budget request to move to the next phase of 
the program when it comes to the crewed fighter.
    Senator Cotton. What is your current assessment of whether 
the United States Air Force or the PLA Air Force will first 
field a sixth-generation manned fighter?
    Mr. Hunter. My assessment would be that it would be the 
United States, but the term ``pacing threat'' is, I think, a 
very apt term, because it is a race.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. General Spain, every year the 
committee seems to receive a request to reduce the number of 
manned fighters. How many fighters do you need to do your 
mission?
    Lieutenant General Spain. Thank you, Senator. I think that 
part of the last question hints at the answer to this question. 
The idea is that we are reducing the number of actual aircraft 
fielded in order to bring on new capabilities that are 
exponentially greater than those we are divesting.
    There are limits to how much we are able to divest that we 
adhere to, and we continue to work with the Secretary of 
Defense and the combatant commands and the global force 
management process to ensure that the fighter fleet that we 
have meets the needs of the force.
    Senator Cotton. Do you have a direct or specific answer 
about how many fighters you need?
    Lieutenant General Spain. I can take that for the record, 
sir, but there is not a specific number of fighters. I can say 
that we retain between 1,900 and 2,000 fighters currently. That 
is the range that we are in. That is sufficient to meet today's 
commitments, and that will be sufficient to continue to meet 
the commitments going forward.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. If the Air Force shuffles combat-
capable aircraft like the F-15E and the F-22 into training 
roles, due to divestment, how is that going to affect your 
current combat capacity?
    Lieutenant General Spain. We are still working through the 
details of how that would actually play out, if that were to 
occur. But the bottom line is combat-capable aircraft would be 
used for training, just like a training-tailored aircraft. 
However, in extremis, if they were needed to go into combat, if 
they were not T-coded tails, then we would be able to use them 
for combat missions, if necessary.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. Well, this is one of the concerns I 
would have stated in my opening statement. I am sure you are 
all going to go read the record about it tonight. I just do not 
think we are buying enough stuff fast enough, whether it is 
fighters or the E-7 or munitions. I may have more on that 
later.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Duckworth.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Secretary 
Hunter, General Moore, to continue the conversation, I wanted 
to chat with you a little bit on KC-135 recapitalization. I am 
aware of the significant risks that the Air Force faces in its 
ability to sustain and protect the Joint Force across the globe 
with an aging aerial refueling fleet. It is vital and incumbent 
on the Air Force to provide the Air National Guard with the 
requisite equipment to support its aerial refueling mission.
    I want to ensure that there is transparency in the 
decisionmaking process for the MOB 7 selection of the KC-46 and 
a plan for what comes next with the remaining Air National 
Guard with legacy aircraft.
    Can you, Senator Hunter or General Moore, can you provide 
insight into how Air National Guard units that have an existing 
association with an Active Duty air wing will be scored on the 
basis of that association during the MOB 7 process, and if 
units will not be scored on their association with an Active 
Duty air wing, why did the Air Force not include this in the 
basing criteria for MOB 7 and was this scoring included in the 
basing criteria for MOBs 1 through 6?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Senator, MOBs 1 through 6 all 
included an Active associate where they went to Guard units. 
MOB 7 is not intended to include an Active associate 
necessarily.
    Senator Duckworth. Why?
    Lieutenant General Moore. That is just not what we decided 
to do with MOB 7. So there is----
    Senator Duckworth. But why did you decide to take that 
criterion out when it was in the previous six MOBs?
    Lieutenant General Moore. So we feel like we have the 
capacity with the first six that we needed to have in the KC-46 
as we transition forward, past MOB 8 and into the future. We 
will look at this again. But for MOB 7 we elected not to 
include an Active associate. With the possibility of that 
coming, we did include scoring criteria for the facilities that 
go along with an Active associate in the event that that 
becomes an additive mission in the future. But the presence of 
the Active associate itself is not a part of the scoring 
criteria for MOB 7. For the units that compete but are not 
selected for MOB 7, we intend to replace every KC-135, one for 
one, eventually. It will take us some time to do that. But our 
intent is to replace all of the KC-135s with some form of a new 
tanker.
    As you alluded to and as you well know, I am not telling 
you anything that you have not been watching for quite some 
time. The youngest KC-135 that we own was made in 1964, and so 
continuous recapitalization of the KC-135s is the top priority 
in the air refueling portfolio. We have the ability to complete 
the KC-46 buy. That will take us to 183, and then beyond that 
we will continue recapitalizating the KC-135s as the budget top 
line permits. But our intent is to recapitalize all of them.
    Senator Duckworth. Okay. Are you committed to continue to 
work with me on this?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, ma'am. Of course.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you. Over the last year I have 
discussed with Air Force leadership the importance of having a 
force design plan, a strategic document to guide the Air 
Force's modernization efforts. I want to thank you and just say 
how pleased I am that the Air Force has worked with me this 
past year on creating a force design process, and thank you for 
being very responsive to that. As you continue to refine this 
process and finalize your force design plan, I do want to offer 
my continued support and willingness to engage in those 
planning discussions.
    Pivoting to conversation in the Indo-Pacific, I am 
concerned about the unique challenges in the region and that 
the region will have on the Air Force's aeromedical evacuation 
and aerial refueling capabilities. The Air Force needs to 
coordinate and integrate modernization efforts with INDOPACOM 
and TRANSCOM to support a fight tonight mission and force 
design planning.
    General Spain, General Harris, and General Moore, as you 
continue to develop the force design for the Air Force, how are 
you working with combatant commands like INDOPACOM and TRANSCOM 
to ensure our current and future operational requirements like 
aerial refueling and aeromedical evacuation are incorporated 
into the force design? I ask about this capability specifically 
because they are contingent on the Air Force's investment in 
the next generation air refueling systems and the KC-135 
recapitalization.
    Lieutenant General Harris. Senator Duckworth, thank you for 
the question, and also thank you for your continued support 
with this and working with us on the force design.
    Since the last time we met, we have continued work on the 
force design. We now have the framework of it, which is the 
strategic context and where we are looking out into 2030, 2035. 
We also have, from the intel community, an assessment of that 
same timeline and what we think. What that does for us is it 
allows us to do an assessment, and these are the gaps and the 
holes that we have within the Air Force. Come of it could be a 
clean sheet new aircraft. Some of it is modifications we need 
to make to existing platforms, and we have a list of that, as 
well. We are happy to go over that at any time with you.
    But the other parts of this that we continue to develop are 
the force structure pieces of it, and by the end of June we 
should have the manpower piece. So it is not good enough just 
to have the capability come and arrive, but you need the 
manpower to meet up at the same time, as well. So those are the 
next two efforts, and that should be done by June, and we are 
happy to circle back with you and have a meeting, and keep 
working with you and your staff.
    But as far as the COCOM [Combatant Command] inputs on this 
one, I would say that the framework of the force design has 
three components. It is Homeland defense, strategic deterrence, 
and power projection, and from the we use the O-Plan, so this 
is the COCOM's input to that, to make sure that we are adhering 
to what NORTHCOM [United States Northern Command] needs, what 
STRATCOM [United States Strategic Command] needs, and what all 
the other combatant commands need under the power projection 
platform piece of this. So that is one way that we do it.
    The second way is we work through our components, so PACAP, 
USAFE [United States Air Forces in Europe], to make sure that 
we are hearing their requirements and putting that into the 
force design.
    We are just finishing up a wargame this week, to take a 
look at what that force structure looks like, to see if it is 
going to meet the needs of the future threat environment that 
the intel community has laid out.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you. Can I just read out a 
question for the record, for Secretary Hunter and General 
Moore? I am concerned about the Air Force's operating and 
contested environment and the need to resource air mobility 
command. This is for the record. Can you explain how the new 
integrated capabilities command will allow the Air Force Air 
Mobility Command to modernize prioritization investments and 
resourcing decisions, and how much input will combatant 
commands like TRANSCOM [United States Transportation Command] 
have in these decisions? Just get that back to me.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Senator Duckworth. Senator Ernst.
    Senator Ernst. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, 
gentlemen, for being here today, and, you know, obviously the 
Air Force is transforming to meet the needs of the NDS and of 
great power competition. As part of the transition the Air 
Force has been engaged in a series of open and closed tabletop 
exercises to get ready for that China challenges.
    One of the key recommendations has been the urgent need to 
improve the resiliency of our air assets. Secretary Hunter, if 
I could start with you, how does the Air Force plan to 
prioritize when it comes to the construction and upgrade of 
hardened bases in response to some of these evolving 
challenges?
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, that was a huge part of our Operational 
Imperative 5 effort was to understand what are the bases that 
are most in need of hardening and how do we prioritize and rank 
among them. So there are significant funds that were included 
in our 2024 budget request and also in our 2025 budget request 
to procure equipment, supplies, construction material, and 
everything that is required to do that work. Then the issue is 
how do we prioritize where those materials and supplies then 
go. That has been a huge part of our OI 5 effort, in close 
coordination with Air Combat Command and the Air Force 
components that General Harris just reference, PACAF and 
others, as to how we deploy those assets.
    Senator Ernst. Mm-hmm. I just want to make the statement, 
of course, we do have a KC-135 tanker unit in the Iowa Air 
Guard, so I just want to remind everyone not only do we see 
needs for the future in our Active Duty Forces, but please do 
not forget about our Reserve and Guard forces and their needs, 
as well. The concern that we have in Sioux City with that 
squadron is that they were promised by the Air Force years ago 
that the Air Force would pay for the runway to accommodate 
these 135 tankers. That has not happened. We divested fighter 
jets. We took on the tankers. The Air Force has not made those 
improvements to the runway, and we are very concerned that when 
KC-46s roll around, we will not be able to accommodate and we 
will lose that mission.
    The Iowa Guard continues to give and give and give, and yet 
we have not received what the Air Force has promised.
    I understand the need to move forward and harden structures 
in the future, but let's make sure we take care of the 
commitments that have already been made, as well.
    Thank you. That was just an aside. I am fighting for my 
Iowa Air Guard.
    Then, as well, let's move on to modernization. On the 13th 
of April, I think we all witnessed in horror the launch of over 
350 missiles and drones at Israel from Iran. Fortunately a lot 
of the threats were neutralized due to the Israeli defense 
capabilities, which included the F-15E. General Moore, the Air 
Force currently plans to divest those Strike Eagles, over 100 
of those, in order to modernize the Air Force.
    What are we doing to make sure there is no capability gap?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, ma'am. So we are very proud 
of what happened as Iran took on multiple countries' air 
forces. First of all, I would say that the command and control 
that went behind that, all of the things that are a part of 
that system, not just the aircraft and the pilots, the 
munitions command and control, there were no friendly fire 
incidents in that, in a very, very busy and very, very 
compressed airspace. That is amazing.
    Not to take anything away from what happened that night but 
there was no air-to-air threat, there was no ground-to-air 
threat, and Iran is not a peer adversary. So those aircraft did 
not have to enter a highly contested environment, and they did 
not compete with an air force that was specifically designed to 
defeat them.
    China is a peer adversary. Iran is not. Those aircraft 
averaged 33 years old, and as I said at the beginning, our 
strategy is not to divest aircraft. That is not the goal. 
However, we do see the need to modernize aggressively, and in 
order to do that we need to transition airmen as well as 
resources to the future.
    So we are very proud of what happened in Israel, but those 
aircraft were not in a highly contested environment, and they 
were not taking on a peer adversary.
    Senator Ernst. Yes, and I do appreciate the approach you 
are taking. I know we have to assume some prudent risk in doing 
this, so as long as the Air Force has a plan to close any gap 
that might exist out there, we trust that you are covering down 
on that. So thank you for that.
    I do have a couple more questions. I will submit those for 
the record. But thank you, gentlemen, very much for being here 
today. I appreciate it.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Peters.
    Senator Peters. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and gentlemen, 
thank you for your testimony here today. Thank you for all the 
work you do for our country every day. We appreciate that.
    General Spain, I would argue that the Air Force needs to 
continue to think outside of the box about potential KC-46 
refueling tanker and the collaborative combat aircraft (CCA) 
teaming, and the potential that offers. I was particularly 
pleased during his SAS testimony last month when General Allvin 
shared that the Air Force now is exploring using KC-46s as a 
communications node with these efforts, potentially enabling 
their use as an airborne battle management platform for future 
CCAs.
    So my question for you, sir, is how is the Air Force 
working to advance expanded KC-46 communication capabilities, 
and simultaneously, how can the Air Force begin to plan for 
potential CCA KC-46 interoperability?
    Lieutenant General Spain. Yes. Thank you, Senator. I think 
operationally what I will talk to is the need to connect the 
mobility fleet broadly and gain situational awareness within 
those platforms to help out in the battlefield.
    One of the things that we are learning as we experiment 
with agile, expeditionary com capabilities is that the battle 
management function in the future could be done really from any 
platform and not an airborne early warning platform solely. So 
for the acquisition details I will kick it to Mr. Hunter, but 
from an operational perspective, getting the flexibility in the 
evolution of command and control down the road would be very 
beneficial to the joint force and coalition force.
    Senator Peters. Yes, great. Secretary Hunter?
    Mr. Hunter. One of the great things that happened last year 
was our mobility guardian exercise in which we did some 
relatively low-cost upgrades to enable some additional coms 
with the air refueling fleet that participated in that 
exercise, and demonstrated quite a bit of payoff, payback, 
operationally for those investments.
    So that is something that we are absolutely looking at, how 
do we take that lesson learned and that approach and apply that 
across our fleets. KC-46 starts ahead. KC-135 is an older 
platform, has a little bit farther to go. But there is a need 
for some modernization in both cases, and make that part of our 
approach.
    Ultimately what we characterize as our NGAS, the Next 
Generation Air-refueling System, it is designed, in principle, 
like our NGAD approach family of systems, technologies 
developed under that programmatic approach, which actually be 
utilized across the broader fleet, not just in the new aircraft 
that would be being procured as part of a modernization 
program.
    So those are threads, all of which are currently in work to 
expand the coms capability of the air refueling fleet.
    Senator Peters. Great. Very good. Generals Spain and 
Harris, this is question is for you. CCAs will require 
comprehensive and integrated training certainly for all Air 
Force components, including the Air National Guard. Training 
should be planned and executed by all components to foster 
uniformity in skills, tactics, and most importantly, readiness 
for the Total Air Force.
    As Air Force integrates CCA, it is crucial, I would argue, 
to ensure that our training programs are collaborative as the 
aircrafts themselves. So my question for both of you is, 
currently how does the Air Force integrate new platforms across 
the Total Force, including fielding, training, and maintenance, 
and does the Air Force plan on adopting a similar model to 
which you have used when it comes to CCAs?
    Lieutenant General Harris. So I will start. First off, 
thank you for the question. The way that we are going to 
onboard CCAs, I do not think it is going to be too drastically 
different from the way that we have seen onboarding of other 
aircraft, with the exception of bringing something out into an 
experimental operations unit. Something we have not done before 
is having the aircraft fly with other unmanned aircraft in 
close proximity to it, so there is going to be some learning 
baked into this.
    Using AETC [Air Education and Training Command] is going to 
be part of this journey with us. There are ways that as we are 
learning through tactics, techniques, and procedure, things we 
want to institute within the schoolhouse, so when we bring new 
pilots on they become familiar with how to operate with these 
unmanned systems. So it is going to be the pairing and the 
learning plus the experimental operations unit that we can 
actually use to help harness some of this learning.
    Lieutenant General Spain. Senator, from a training 
perspective and operational perspective I would say that the 
benefit and the value that is very clear by outfitting the 
Total Force with similar capabilities in particular mission 
areas is clear across all of our fleets, and CCAs would be no 
different. We would intend to ensure that those units, whether 
Active or Reserve component, have the same capabilities to 
operate for the Joint Force in any fight with our allies and 
partners, and on behalf of the Secretary of Defense, our 
combatant commander in any theater, regardless of the 
affiliation. So we would ensure that there is a baseline common 
across the Total Force.
    Senator Peters. Great. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Mullin.
    Senator Mullin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. General Harris, 
just looking at you guys' reoptimizing for the future powers 
ahead, right, you guys are making some changes to the training 
processes for your pilots, which is great. You know, we have 
got new platforms, new technology we have got to work on. But 
as you know, Altus Air Force Base in Oklahoma and Vance Air 
Force Base, where Vance is one of the top five pilot training 
centers in the country, where are we at with changing those 
programs there, and where does it leave the Air Force bases, 
when you start talking about what is the future of Vance and 
what is the future of Altus and their current mission?
    Lieutenant General Harris. I do not see the current 
missions changing. What I do see changing is as we look to 
reframe what a unit of action is and how we deploy, that will 
be different, and this is where we get into the in-place combat 
wings or the different types of combat wings that might be out 
there. There are still foundational things that we need to do 
within our Air Force, that Air Education and Training Command 
does for us today.
    The changes that we are talking about under great power 
competition and reoptimization for this really are aligning 
things like the accessions part of it, or onboarding of the 
warrant officers and the other things that our chief has talked 
about in previous testimoneys.
    As far as the bases and the missions and the roles and 
functions, specifically the institutional ones that are aligned 
to that, I do not see those changing.
    Senator Mullin. Well, in Vance I have a concern because you 
are changing a lot of your flight times as simulators, which 
is, at first, to be quite frank with you, General Harris, I was 
thinking, how are you taking someone with the actual flight 
time to a simulator, and then your instructors down there 
actually spent time with me and said, ``Listen, we can put 
these pilots now in simulations where they might have a 5 
percent survivability rate because of a mechanical error. We 
can put them in the simulator over and over and over again, and 
we are going to see an increase of that survivability rate,'' 
and which I thought, okay, I totally understand that now. I am 
not a video game guy at all. I never even won Mario Brothers 
way back when on Nintendo, so that is just not my world.
    But when you start looking at the simulators and the way 
they are training, I totally understand it. But some of the 
simulators you guys have set up at Vance is literally in a 
warehouse. I was in there in the middle of summer and, wow. I 
mean, this warehouse was 100 degrees all day long, if not over, 
and these future pilots are sitting in these simulators for 
hours. I do not see the infrastructure meeting where you guys 
are moving toward. You are just taking them and putting stuff 
there, and I do not see the investment.
    I definitely do not see it when you are going to your 
budget that the Air Force put out, I did not see anything new 
for Vance to develop and need the new training that you are 
asking them to do except using old infrastructure. So can you 
speak to that?
    Lieutenant General Harris. Senator, I can speak to part of 
that. In terms of great power competition and the 
reauthorization you will not see money associated with any of 
the efforts that we are making into this one. A large part of 
that is the work is ongoing, and we are still uncovering what 
it is going to take to be able to do this effectively, and FSRM 
[Facilities, Sustainment, Restoration and Modernization] and 
some of these facilities will be one of them. The joint 
simulation environment is another piece of this. But it also 
speaks to a broader piece of the ranges, in general, and how we 
train and practice every day, and the modernization that it is 
going to need to keep all of those together.
    Senator Mullin. Go ahead, General.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Senator, I am not tracking the 
issue that you are talking about at Vance but I understand the 
concern. Let us take this for the record and come back to you 
and give you a more cogent discussion on this.
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    Lieutenant General Moore. AMF-S training devices are 
currently housed in a repurposed section of Vance AFB's 
Consolidated Logistics Complex. This facility was constructed 
in 2006, and simulators were installed in a repurposed section 
of this facility in 2022, accompanied by a $94,400 investment. 
This investment ensured the area remained climate controlled 
and was supported by adequate electrical, fire detection, and 
required Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) upgrades.
    To date, there have been only been five HVAC service calls 
to this facility, all of which were corrected in less than 24 
hours.
    Based on our existing infrastructure options, a focus on 
future-mission bed down and the projected divestiture of the T-
1A aircraft, this location remains the most optimal location on 
Vance AFB to house these devices.

    Senator Mullin. Let me explain this one too. I would love 
to invite you guys there. We take a lot of pride in Vance, and 
it is something that the community is 1,000 percent behind, it 
is something that the State is behind. We love the fact that 
there are more pilots trained there any anyplace in the 
country. We want to keep that that.
    So with that being said, I am a hands-on type of guy. I 
want to see it. So we would love to make that invite. I will 
personally make sure I change my schedule to fit your schedule, 
if anybody wants to come down there and put eyes on it.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, sir. We would love to do 
that. I am not tracking this particular issue, but we will take 
it for the record.
    Senator Mullin. They are not complaining to me. I picked it 
up.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, sir.
    Senator Mullin. They never brought it to me and said, 
``Hey, we need to look at this.'' I just thought that if we are 
talking about retaining the best, sometimes conditions do 
matter.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, sir. Fair.
    Senator Mullin. Real quick before I run out of time, and I 
hated to spend so much time on that. Secretary Hunter, we have 
got a problem at Tinker with providing our mission when we have 
an overrun of the E-7s while we are phasing out the E-3s. I 
have brought this up multiple times, and we get answers that go 
all over the place on how we are going to actually phaseout the 
E-3s when we cannot deliver the E-7s on time and still be 
mission capable.
    We talk about utilizing space assets, which that is a 
possibility. But what are we actually going to do to make sure 
the mission that Tinker does--and we know Tinker provides a 
very vital role to us, and especially in a time of conflict. If 
we go into an eventual fight they are going to be our eyes and 
our ears, and yet we are not going to have the platform to 
provide the mission.
    What is our actual plan? Are we going to plan on just 
keeping some of the E-3s around, because they are phasing out 
pretty quick, before we get the E-7s?
    Mr. Hunter. So our plan is to have E-7 as a replacement, 
and we are on contract with Boeing----
    Senator Mullin. But way behind and over budget.
    Mr. Hunter. So we have been executing on the work. What we 
have been behind on is we got a proposal from Boeing that was 
roughly twice what the budgeted funding, funds that were 
budgeted based originally on information from Boeing about what 
the cost was going to be.
    I can tell you we have narrowed that gap quite 
considerably, and to an area where I believe we will soon have 
an agreement that will be something that is affordable for the 
taxpayer, affordable for the Air Force, and we will be able to 
definitize that contract with Boeing and know how that rapid 
prototyping program, which is what we are currently engaged in, 
is going to work over the next several years.
    Then the issue--and we have seen some changes in our plan, 
if you are referencing accurately--is how do we move into 
production of those aircraft that we have taken through that 
prototyping process. That is where there have been some delays 
because not knowing that we had a design that was affordable we 
could not in good conscious budget for production of an 
aircraft that we did not yet have a design that we knew was 
going to work.
    So we will be able to revisit the issue of what does the 
pace and tempo of E-7 production once we have that agreement 
reached with Boeing.
    Senator Mullin. Thank you. General Moore I think wanted to 
weigh in on this but I am out of time. So, Chairman, it is up 
to you.
    Senator Kelly. Yes, go ahead.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Sir, you said the E-3 would be 
our eyes and ears. I think we all have to be honest about what 
the E-3 actually provides. The physics of the E-3 does not 
permit it to function in the highly contested environment. 
Nothing that we can do to upgrade the airplane will change a 
10-second revisit rate. It will not change the range. It will 
not change the resolution, which allows it to see what we need. 
The mission computer in an E-3 weighs 25,000 pounds.
    It is powered by TF33 engines. We did an extensive amount 
of research in the B-52 upgrade program to determine how long 
those engines were sustainable, and there are some heroics that 
could get some of those engines past 2030. But for all intents 
and purposes, 2030 is the end of the road for the TF33 engine.
    So we are working, as Mr. Hunter said, as quickly as we can 
to bring the E-7 on, but the E-3 is not a part of the fight in 
the highly contested environment. That does not mean that it 
does not have use in other AORs [areas of responsibility] in 
other regions, Homeland defense in particular, but it is not a 
part of the fight in the highly contested environment.
    Senator Mullin. Thank you. I appreciate it.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Blumenthal.
    Senator Blumenthal. Thank you. Thanks a lot, Mr. Chairman. 
Thank you all for being here. Thanks for your service.
    Secretary Hunter, could you repeat for me the cost of 
flying the F-35. Did you say it was 180? I may be off on that.
    Mr. Hunter. We were saying it is 180 flight hours, but it 
is $6.8 million cost per tail per year. Then I think we were 
trying to translate that into a flying hour cost, which I think 
we calculated was in the mid-thirties range.
    Senator Blumenthal. Mid-thirties. Is that a cost that our 
allies or the customers for this plane are going to be able to 
sustain? In other words, other nations that are buying the F-35 
are paying $30,000 an hour to simply train and fly, and then 
there is the cost of modernization of them. I am just wondering 
about the long-term viability in terms of our allies and 
partners with this plane.
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, obviously they have smaller fleets. I have 
not heard any of the allies indicate to me that the operating 
cost of the F-35 is something that is significantly challenging 
their budgets, beyond that we are all challenged by these 
operating costs. But I have not heard any of the partners talk 
about reducing their buy because of the sustainment cost.
    It is something we continue to work to get after and to get 
down, and I think we will, and we are on a path. I give General 
Schmidt a lot of credit for the effort that he and his team 
have put into that. But to the contrary, most of the partners 
that I have talked to are talking about increasing their 
purchases of F-35s. So that suggests to me that they are 
finding it sustainable.
    Senator Blumenthal. Well, that was my next question. What 
is the likelihood of reducing the $6.8 million per tail?
    Mr. Hunter. I think we can reduce it. I think we are 
currently on track to do better than that, and I would like to 
do quite a bit better than that if we can get there. I think 
there are some good approaches. As I said, the potential 
leverage, some of our Air Force enterprise sustainment tools, 
some of which we are already doing. So the engine maintenance 
work we do in partnership with Pratt & Whitney at Tinker has 
really grown quite strong, and we can do similar type 
approaches on other subsystems of F-35 in the Air Force, and 
the Navy has many that they are focused on, as well.
    Senator Blumenthal. The number of planes this year, the 
procurement this year, is going from 48 to 42, and I understand 
your testimony that there are reasons for it, in part the 
modernization costs and, quote/unquote, ``flexibility'' I think 
is the word that you used to give Lockheed. What is meant by 
``flexibility'' for Lockheed Martin to work through the issues 
related to Block 4 development and integration? What does that 
mean?
    Mr. Hunter. So the challenge we have specifically with the 
aircraft in our fiscal year 2025 request is they are of the 
variant that we are currently working to do the Block 4 
upgrades, and working to deliver the technology, the design, 
the hardware, the software to make a Block 4 variant of the F-
35. So specifically the lot of aircraft that we are funding in 
fiscal year 2025.
    Right now it is huge challenge to Lockheed to make all of 
that integration work in time to meet the jets that are being 
produced on the production line, and so a slightly smaller buy 
does add some flexibility for making sure that production 
schedule is going to work.
    Senator Blumenthal. Last year, when we spoke about the F-35 
procurement at the modernization hearing you indicated that 
Russia's aggression in Ukraine has spurred numerous F-35 
purchases by partners and allies, and I guess that trend is 
continuing. You indicated that those purchases were sufficient 
to mitigate the dip in procurement by our military, and by 
extension, to sustain the supplier base.
    Have you analyzed what the effects of the current trends in 
purchases by allies versus our own military is going to be on 
the supplier base?
    Mr. Hunter. We have looked at what the likelihood is, based 
on, because there is obviously Air Force and Department of Navy 
both had some reductions in our fiscal year 2025 aircraft 
purchases. It is our current belief and understanding that 
there will not be a disruption to the production rate at the 
factory, or that the FACOs, primarily Fort Worth, but obviously 
some of the overseas ones, that they would be able to continue 
at rate, even with these purchase levels from the United States 
services.
    Senator Blumenthal. Is that true of the parts and 
components, the supply chain that provide what is necessary 
going into the plane?
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, sir.
    Senator Blumenthal. Thank you. Thanks, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Senator Blumenthal.
    Secretary Hunter, let's talk a little bit about electronic 
warfare here for a moment. We are seeing, in the war in 
Ukraine, just how critical modern EW [electronic warfare] is on 
a modern battlefield. Certainly in any conflict with a near 
peer adversary we would be faced with a significant challenging 
EW environment, hence the need for electronic warfare aircraft 
like the Compass Call. The Compass Call airplane today, the EC-
130, is being replaced over time with the EC-37. This program 
is currently slated to replace the 14 EC-130's with 10 EC-37s, 
the first one having been delivered already to Tucson, the 
Davis-Monthan Air Force Base.
    It looks like the budget justification material shows that 
we are not going to get all 10 of the EC-37s until the end of 
the Fiscal Year Defense Program (FYDP) in 2029.
    Secretary Hunter, what steps could we take right now to 
accelerate the delivery of EC-37s, understanding that this is 
an important capability that we would need in any conflict with 
a near peer adversary?
    Mr. Hunter. Well, Senator, that program has been executed 
again on a relatively short timeframe. It was only a few years 
ago that the decision was made to do the modernization, so the 
rehosting of the Compass Call combat system onto the EC-37 
platform. So I would hold it up as an exemplar of some faster 
work, in general, compared to some of our production programs.
    But to your point, to get all the way to fielding of the 
new capability, you have to go through the aircraft production 
process, the modification process, and then fielding to the 
units. So I will look to see what opportunities we might have 
to save some time on that process. But the work that has been 
ongoing has not been without challenge, but it has happened 
relatively on schedule.
    Senator Kelly. The equivalent airplane in the Navy was the 
EA-6B Prowler and then later the EA-18 Growler, and each air 
wing typically had a squadron that had four aircraft. So with, 
let's say, a dozen battle groups there you had about 36 or 
more, 48, airplanes.
    I was surprised when I saw that the Air Force had just 14 
electronic warfare airplanes, and now going down to 10. So 
could you talk about--and Secretary Hunter, maybe one of the 
generals would be better equipped to answer this--but is 10 
enough? I mean, it seemed to me when I heard this number, that 
there were going to be 10 at Davis-Monthan, my initial question 
was, well, where are the other electronic warfare aircraft? 
Then I found out, well, there are not anymore. There are just 
the 10.
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, like you I have a little bit of background 
on EA-6B from a prior portion of my career, and so when I 
started looking into the Compass Call program I had to 
understand it is extremely different conops from the way in 
which EA-6----
    But I will take your suggestion and defer to General Moore.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, sir. So the EA-37 is a 
highly capable aircraft, as you know, and it does some things 
that no other aircraft can do. It is far from the limit of the 
Air Force's electronic warfare capability. With the APG-85 on 
the F-35, the APG-32 on the F-15Es, EPoS on the F-15Es, there 
are a variety of other electronic warfare capabilities that we 
have in the fleet flying, and many of those at the front edge 
even in the highly contested environment.
    Beyond that we have added a Spectrum Warfare Wing 
headquartered at Eglin with detachments in other places in the 
Southeast with the specific intent of being able to 
characterize a signal ingested by the F-35 and turn that back 
around in an F-35 mission data file in a time that we could 
talk about in a different forum. But suffice it to say the 
quickness with which we intend to be able to do that is eye-
watering.
    So the EA-37, it is unique in what it does, but the Air 
Force's electronic warfare capability goes far beyond that 
aircraft. Ten aircraft was intended to provide two caps. 
Depending on what you believe about the breadth of the AOR that 
we might have to fight in, you could discern whether or not you 
think two caps would be enough. But that was the force sizing 
construct when the program of record was set at 10.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General, and thanks for the 
reminder. I have met with the commanding officer of the unit in 
Eglin, talking specifically in the SCIF about how they turn 
that signal around and how that can benefit the warfighter. So 
thank you for that response.
    Senator Cotton.
    Senator Cotton. Mr. Hunter, we have heard some talk about 
connectivity today, and in your written statement you talked 
about the need to develop command and control systems for 
relevant contested missions. What is the fielding timeline of a 
resilient network for all of these fighters, drones, and future 
systems to talk to each other?
    Mr. Hunter. It is a rolling timeline. In terms of that 
first increment of capability, probably in the 2027 timeframe, 
I would say, if you were to talk about something at the level 
of a network capability. We have capabilities that are rolling 
out prior to that, and they are meaningful. So we have that for 
air defense already. We have already rolled out increments of 
capability of that system that are meaningful.
    But if you start talking about really being able to do 
entire mission threads at scale, anywhere in the world, it is 
going to be another few years before we can really say we have 
rolled that out to the warfighter.
    Senator Cotton. All right. What is the impact of the Air 
Force's inability to certify basic network modernization today 
like Link 16, due to FAA roadblocks?
    Mr. Hunter. Well, we have a lot of challenges in test when 
it comes to FAA and their certification of Link 16, so that has 
impacted our acquisition programs, like the F-22, and several 
other. It is challenge that we share jointly with the Navy 
because many of our Link 16 capabilities are ones that the Navy 
is the program lead for, and they run into the same challenges 
that we do.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. General Moore, I want to turn my 
attention now to munitions. I noted $1 billion less in the Air 
Force missile procurement compared to last year, even though 
our munitions stockpiles are not where they need to be. Is the 
Air Force currently maximizing procurement of munitions?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Senator, we are close to 
maximizing procurement. What we are talking about here are the 
advanced munitions really, the ones that pertain to the highly 
contested environment. We are, in most cases, within single 
digits, or in some cases within 20 or 24 individual procurement 
units of maximizing procurement.
    What I think is helpful for the future is, thanks to the 
Congress in the 2024 cycle there was additional facilitization 
that allowed us to increase what the defense industrial base is 
able to procure. So as that facilitization money takes effect 
we will be able to increase procurement.
    I would not say that we are buying every single round that 
is available, but we are really close. the facilitization money 
that came in 2024 will increase that capacity as we go through 
the FYDP.
    Senator Cotton. I am sorry. I do not know what you mean by 
additional facilitization money.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Building an additional line, 
putting together the facilities that it takes to build more of 
the same thing.
    Senator Cotton. Is the Air Force using multiyear 
procurement? Well, I should say, I know you are using multiyear 
procurement for critical munitions. Can you buy more of these 
munitions with additional fiscal year 2025 funds under that 
multiyear plan?
    Lieutenant General Moore. There is some additional 
procurement that is possible, and if it is okay we will take 
the specific numbers and the specific dollars for the record 
and provide those back to you, by individual item.
    [The information referred to follows:]

    Lieutenant General Moore. The AARGM-ER, AIM-9X, and AIM-
120D3 missile programs are funded to equal the production 
capability in the Fiscal Year 2025 President's Budget; no 
excess capacity is available in those programs. Production 
capacity above planned fiscal year 2025 procurement for other 
USAF weapons programs is detailed in the table below.

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                                                                                                                                             Add'l Funds
                            Program Name                                    Item             Prod      DOD* FY25      Excess     Unit Cost   to Maximize
                                                                                           Capacity     Proc Qty     Capacity       ($K)      Proc ($K)
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AARGM-ER...........................................................            AGM-88G           228          228            0        1,500            0
AIM-9X.............................................................            Missile         2,500        2,500            0          729            0
AMRAAM.............................................................         AIM-120 D3           800          800            0        1,122            0
JASSM..............................................................          AGM-158B3           810          550          260        1,294      336,440
JDAM...............................................................       Guidance Kit        25,000        2,000       23,000           56    1,288,000
LRASM..............................................................            AGM-158C1         240          205           35        2,957      103,495
SDB I..............................................................             GBU-39        10,000        9,000        1,000           60       60,000
SDB II.............................................................             GBU-53         2,100        1,155          945          219      206,955
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* Note: Fiscal year 2025 procurement quantities include USAF, DON, and currently funded critical FMS (UkrAF) plans.


    Senator Cotton. Please do.
    General Harris, I want to talk a little bit about unmanned 
aerial systems and counter-unmanned aerial systems, C-UAS, 
known by normal people as drones. What is the plan to defend 
our air bases from small drone attacks? After all, we had three 
troopers killed in Jordan about 3 months ago from such an 
attack, and dozens of drones have overflown Langley Air Force 
Base in the last 6 months.
    Lieutenant General Harris. Thank you for the question. It 
has been almost a year since I was back from the desert, where 
I was the Deputy Air Component Commander, and the drone problem 
was very much an everyday problem for us to deal with. For the 
program of record and what we have within the Air Force, the 
Ninja system onto this, is the one that we use primarily, but 
it has to be a joint solution for this one.
    The Army has several systems that are out there, and quite 
frankly, is the detection piece as far as some of the smaller 
Group 1 and Group 2, and then for the Groups 3 and 5, as far as 
the Air Force doctrine and what we do, it is using some of our 
counter-air tactics and air-to-air munitions to be able to 
mitigate the counter-UAS, or the drone, threat that is out 
there.
    Some of the ones that you are seeing around Langley and the 
like, these are things that we have to get after. We are 
putting resources to those. But for right now, some of these 
that use the systems that I mentioned before, the Ninja system, 
that is one that we also have money that is in fiscal year 2025 
to start looking at some other systems that might be effective 
for this.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. What is the Air Force plan, if any, 
for low-cost, one-way large drones, like we have seen from 
adversaries from Russia and Iran and China? I guess by low-cost 
I mean numbers that have only one comma in them.
    Lieutenant General Spain. Senator Cotton, yes, if I can.
    Senator Cotton. Do you want to take that, General Spain?
    Lieutenant General Spain. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. As was 
mentioned, the problem of counter-UAS is a joint, and really, 
frankly, a coalition problem. As we saw in Jordan, any loss of 
life is tragic, and our hearts go out still to our Army 
brothers and sisters who were impacted by that.
    General Kurilla and General Grynkewich at the time, General 
France now, are implementing procedures in the theater to 
increase domain awareness, which is really a key limitation in 
that theater. The events in Langley, or in Virginia, really 
speak to the idea that the Homeland is no longer a sanctuary, 
and we have to continue to pay attention to it. The systems 
that we have been pushing forward have largely gone to the most 
contested and kinetic theaters, and we have still paid 
attention to systems in the Pacific and/or in Europe. But 
starting with the Pacific next year we will field some systems 
from a command and control perspective, from a sensing 
perspective, and from a non-kinetic effect perspective.
    Currently what we are doing is we are nested under the 
Secretary of Defense's TIGER team for counter-UAS as a part of 
the service, and the Air Force has its own TIGER team at the 
half level that has initiated operations to support the wing 
commanders who are in the field today, if that problem becomes 
a factor, and they do not have the relevant capabilities at 
their wings. Air Combat Command has initiated its own TIGER 
team for the below-major-command level to ensure that there is 
support for the commanders to deal with this threat, as well.
    Lieutenant General Harris. It looks like, I was going to 
say there are more things we could share with you in a 
different forum.
    Senator Cotton. Yes, and I take all that, but some of these 
drones are not going to be for the little C UAS, right, but for 
the actual attack systems.
    Lieutenant General Harris. Yes, there is more we could 
share on that in a separate discussion.
    Senator Cotton. Yes. I fear that, no one at this table, but 
I fear that this Department of Defense is taking its name a bit 
too literally, and there is not enough thinking about how 
offense creates its own defense.
    Senator Kelly. Yes, that is what I thought you were talking 
about, like what is the cheap offensive drone program, and I 
know we need to talk about that maybe in a different 
environment.
    Secretary Hunter, I want to talk a little bit about the B-
21, if you can give us an update. It was good to see it is 
going into low-rate initial production. Obviously, an essential 
capability that we need to get a lot of ordnance on target, on 
time. Any new developments, positive or negative, since last 
year?
    Mr. Hunter. Well, we are in the flight test program. The 
flight test program is proceeding well. It is doing what flight 
test programs are designed to do, which it is helping us learn 
about the unique characteristics of this platform, but in a 
very effective way. So we are working our way through the test 
objectives that we have for the platform, and I am encouraged 
with how that is progressing.
    There are some key points still to come this year, and 
looking forward very much to talking to you when we can come 
back with data on those efforts and let you know where we 
stand. But as of today, good progress being made, the flight 
test program. We believe we are on track.
    Senator Kelly. is this the first airplane that would be 
considered to be fully digitally designed?
    Mr. Hunter. Well, if you get to the people who are the true 
experts on this topic there is always a point about, oh, was 
this really digital, or how was this done. I would say it is 
the first aircraft where it is far more digital than not, that 
you can say that we have taken where we are at this stage of 
production and moving toward fielding.
    Senator Kelly. Can you attribute the timeline, and I 
imagine the relatively shorter timeline, in getting this 
airborne and starting flight tests to the fact that it was 
digitally designed?
    Mr. Hunter. I think it has helped us with being as on track 
as we are to demonstrating that the aircraft that we have built 
to test is meeting our requirements. So I think higher 
fidelity, a higher likelihood of success.
    There were other things that we did that contributed, as 
well, which is we had quite a discipline in setting 
requirements and looking for mature technology. So a lot of 
good process things, but digital has been a key enabler, 
especially on the software side. So this platform is somewhat 
unique in the maturity of the software that we had available 
when the aircraft came out of the factory.
    Senator Kelly. One capability that is critical for the 
system is the LRSO. Could you give us an update on where we 
are? Is it on track?
    Mr. Hunter. It is tracking well. The program is definitely 
on track to meet its timelines and deliver to the warfighter 
need date. We are also doing well on cost for that program, as 
well.
    Senator Kelly. Right. Thank you, Secretary Hunter.
    General Moore, in my opening statement I mentioned my 
concerns that the Air Force plans to truncate the HH-60 Whiskey 
program. It would leave the Air Force roughly 25 percent short 
of its original plan to modernize the combat search and rescue 
capability of the fleet. So I worked to add 10 aircraft last 
year to help alleviate the situation.
    So for General Moore or General Spain, why do you believe 
that truncating the HH-60 Whiskey program will be an acceptable 
risk?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Sir, the HH-60 Whiskey was 
designed and purchased for warfare in the desert. Over the 
distances that we see in the desert and with the threat profile 
that we see it is highly effective in that AOR. It also does 
other good work. The HH-60 Whiskey will support manned space 
flight. It will support search and rescue inside the CONUS. But 
we have enough aircraft to do all of those missions.
    When you then translate to the highly contested 
environment, I do not know that any of us think that we want to 
be flying around the Pacific in a machine that refuels at 115 
knots behind a C-130. It is just not the combat search and 
rescue machine that we need for the highly contested 
environment.
    So for what we do need and for the great work that the HH-
60 Whiskey can do, we have plenty of them. We do not need any 
additional aircraft to support combat search and rescue in the 
Pacific. Personal recovery, as you know, certainly from many 
years of service, is a service responsibility, and there are 
literally thousands of aircraft in the DOD that can perform 
personnel recovery.
    Senator Kelly. So you are planning on PJs out of a C-130, 
that kind of rescue in INDOPACOM?
    Lieutenant General Moore. That could be one of the options. 
I think that we will have to look at all of the relevant 
options. I think CV-22 could play a role here. I think there 
are several things that could be a part of personnel recovery. 
But for combat search and rescue, doing that in a highly 
contested environment with HH-60 Whiskeys, I do not see that 
that is a path that leads us to success, and for what the HH-60 
Whiskey can do, we have plenty.
    Another facet of this is as those aircraft continue to be 
added, in order for us to bring them into the Air Force, 
particularly if we are bringing them in as mission aircraft, we 
have had 10 added in the last 2 years. If another 10 were to be 
added, the bill for the FYDP for the Air Force to bring those 
aircraft in would be nearly $1 billion.
    So there is a balance here that we need to strike with 
other Air Force priorities, and this is not where we would put 
incremental investment dollars. There are lots of other higher-
priority things. This is just not it.
    We are not unappreciative, and we understand your 
perspective. I have heard you say that combat search and rescue 
is a moral imperative. We do not disagree with that. We just do 
not think that is going to be done in the highly contested 
environment with HH-60 Whiskeys.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you. Senator Cotton?
    Senator Cotton. I have got one more question here. I want 
to talk a little bit about the CCA program a little bit 
further. What do you expect the first delivery of a 
Collaborative Combat Aircraft that is operational?
    Mr. Hunter. So what we are anticipating is operational 
units ready to operate in the later 2020's, with production 
aircraft that are delivered and ready for operations.
    Senator Kelly. Have you given any thought to, as we go and 
fly training missions with pilots in NGAD, certainly there will 
be times that you would want a full-up complement of however 
many CCA aircraft would be in whatever the strike package would 
look like. I mean, that certainly does make sense. But from a 
cost perspective, you have got to also maybe see a scenario 
where you could fly NGAD in a training environment without the 
associated CCA, and, at the same time, simulate them. Is that 
part of the program? It was something I was thinking about 
today as, I think it was Senator Peters was asking his 
questions, that you would have within the airplane itself, 
within NGAD, have some kind of simulation mode so you are 
communicating with some CCAs, but they are actually not really 
out there.
    Mr. Hunter. There is absolutely a plan to have that as a 
capability, that CCAs will be able to contribute. We have 
talked about the joint simulation environment. We need to have 
CCAs represented in that. That is absolutely part of our plan.
    As you suggest, Senator, the way in which one trains for 
the CCA could look very different from the traditional 
training, because the capabilities, what the pilot has to do to 
interact with the CCA, in operations they may not actually see 
those aircraft. They may not be within visual range.
    So it is potentially going to look different from what we 
are used to, and we are thinking that through as we work into 
the CCA capability and with the experimentation that the 
Experimental Operations Unit is going to be doing. Thinking 
through those issue, how does it work best, not just for 
operations but also for training and sustainment.
    Senator Kelly. This is a technological leap that we are 
about to take here, and to get there we are going to have to 
divest some systems that today can deliver ordnance on target. 
I am all for innovation, and I think it is one of the things we 
do well as a country, and I think we have to out-innovate our 
adversaries.
    But do you worry about maybe we get to a certain point and 
realize this is not going to work as well as we thought, and 
then we went too far down the road, and we have divested of 
certain capabilities? Or are you starting to feel--and I know 
there has been some simulation done on this, some testing--are 
you starting to feel as if we are going to get there and we can 
make this work?
    Mr. Hunter. I have a very high confidence that the CCA 
capability will be a significant increase in our overall 
capability. But I think to your point, we will learn how to 
best use these assets and what exactly they can and cannot do. 
But let me defer to General Spain on that.
    Lieutenant General Spain. Senator Kelly, operationally the 
CCA program, as it is currently moving down its path, gets us 
to a place where some of the risks that we are taking with 
manned platforms can be mitigated to a degree in less 
survivable platforms down the road in highly contested 
environments.
    The other part of this that we are doing as pathfinders is 
in the training environment. So from an undergraduate pilot 
training perspective, we are pursuing augmented reality 
technology, artificial intelligence technology that can be 
embedded into the synthetic environment, potentially in the 
joint simulated environment specifically, to enable this 
capability down the road and enable the ability to train with 
it at a high end, in a relevant environment that, to your point 
earlier, allows our air crew to wring out the systems, both the 
systems and their tactics, techniques, and procedures, in any 
relevant environment that we can no longer emulate and 
lifeline.
    So we will have elements that are preserved for a lifeline 
that we still need to train to and put pressure on humans in 
cockpits to be able to do that and get to the skill sets 
required in those mission areas from a cockpit. But better we 
can, and the more we can bring this technology down the road to 
create synthetic targets that they are flying against, where 
the TTPs are not observable out in live fly, the better off 
that we will all be.
    Senator Kelly. All right. Thank you, General. Anything 
further anybody would like to share? Anything you feel we need 
to know?
    [No response.]
    Senator Kelly. All right. Well, thank you. Senator Cotton, 
anything else?
    [No response.]
    Senator Kelly. Okay. This hearing is adjourned. Thank you.
    [Whereupon, at 5:26 p.m., the Subcommittee adjourned.]

    [Questions for the record with answers supplied follow:]

             Questions Submitted by Senator Tammy Duckworth
                    integrated capabilities command
    1. Senator Duckworth. Secretary Hunter and General Moore, I am 
concerned about the Air Force operating in a contested environment and 
the need to resource Air Mobility Command. Can you explain how the new 
Integrated Capabilities Command will allow the Air Force and Air 
Mobility Command to prioritize modernization investments and resourcing 
decisions?
    Mr. Hunter and General Moore. Currently, our modernization is 
planned and developed by each MAJCOM without the benefit of development 
efforts from other functional perspectives. Numerous commanders are 
simultaneously charged with both maintaining readiness and addressing 
the requirements to modernize their respective segments of the force 
(e.g., Mobility Aircraft, Fighter Aircraft, Electronic Warfare, etc.) 
without an enterprise-wide perspective on how these distinct 
capabilities come together to complete missions. This has led to 
suboptimal results. Future conflict will require integrated systems 
acting in concert across multiple domains. To ensure an integrated 
joint force solution, we must aggregate capability development 
accordingly.
    ICC will be charged with executing a coherent and complete Force 
Design that accounts for all Air Force capabilities, prioritized and 
coordinated to align requirements and future capabilities with Air 
Force operating concepts. ICC will aggregate MAJCOM (e.g., AMC) 
requirements, ensuring coherence across systems, to provide a unified 
demand signal for materiel needs aligned to a singular Force Design.
    This integrated approach ensures the development of operationally 
necessary capabilities, breaks down organizational stovepipes, and 
allows operational commanders to focus on warfighting readiness.

    2. Senator Duckworth. Secretary Hunter and General Moore, how much 
input will combatant commands like TRANSCOM have in these decisions?
    Mr. Hunter and General Moore. The CCMD and Joint strategies, 
concepts, and operational plans are the foundation for Air Force 
strategies and concepts. The CCMDs, and Air Force Components therein, 
are included at various touchpoints throughout the Force Design and 
subsequent capability development processes--the introduction of the 
Integrated Capabilities Command (ICC) will only serve to enhance this.
    Rather than addressing a single CCMD's requirements in a vacuum, 
the ICC will account for all from a global and integrated perspective, 
addressing tensions intentionally. We will ensure our Force Design 
continues to address each CCMD's annual Integrated Priority Lists of 
highest priority capability gaps and requested solutions. We will also 
continue to support rapid delivery of critical capabilities through the 
Joint Urgent Operational Need (JUON) requirements process.
    Most importantly, the ICC will have Operating Locations embedded at 
the Air Force Component Commands to maintain continuous and early 
dialog with the CCMDs and our joint warfighters as they build the Force 
Design to ensure alignment between AF and CCMD capability priorities.



DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 
               2025 AND THE FUTURE YEARS DEFENSE PROGRAM

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                        WEDNESDAY, MAY 15, 2024

                      United States Senate,
                           Subcommittee on Airland,
                               Committee on Armed Services,
                                                    Washington, DC.

                           ARMY MODERNIZATION

    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 4 p.m. in room 
SR-232A, Russell Senate Office Building, Senator Mark Kelly 
(Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
    Committee Members present: Kelly, Blumenthal, Peters, 
Duckworth, Cotton, Ernst, Scott, and Mullin.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR MARK KELLY

    Senator Kelly. The Subcommittee on Airland will come to 
order.
    I want to welcome Mr. Doug Bush, Assistant Secretary of the 
Army for Acquisition, Logistics and Technology; General James 
Rainey, the Commanding General of the Army Futures Command; and 
General Karl Gingrich, Deputy Chief of Staff for Army in the G-
8.
    I want to welcome our witnesses. Thank you for your 
service, thank you for your willingness to appear before us 
today.
    As we meet today to review the Department of the Army's 
investment and modernization strategy as presented in the 
fiscal year 2025 budget request, it is important to note that 
the Army remains heavily engaged, supporting Ukraine in its 
fight against the Russian invasion, conducting complex 
operations in the Middle East, and increasing training and 
exercises in the Indo-Pacific. I would like to acknowledge the 
work soldiers are doing across the globe and express our 
gratitude to them and their families for the vital role they 
play.
    Through all of its endeavors, the Army is working to 
increase its readiness, accelerate its modernization, and 
improve its interoperability with allies and partners. The Army 
seeks to do this by focusing on four key areas: warfighting, 
delivering ready combat forces, continuous transformation, and 
strengthening the profession. We look forward to discussing 
modernization in this context.
    I have had multiple opportunities to travel to Ukraine and 
the Middle East over the past 3\1/2\ years. Each trip has shown 
me the importance of a modern and ready Army. Operations in 
Ukraine and the Middle East continue to demonstrate the need 
for ground combat forces in effective multi-domain operations 
as well as the power of joint and coalition operations.
    They also provide an illustration of the complexities the 
joint force would face if compelled to conduct similar 
operations in a larger and contested maritime theater. I 
recently returned from a bi-partisan delegation to INDOPACOM 
where I had the opportunity to see firsthand how our forces are 
preparing. The Army will play a critical role in the defense of 
Guam and in enabling any future combat operations in the 
Pacific. This is why the Army remains focused on its six 
modernization priorities: Long Range Precision Fires; Next 
Generation Combat Vehicles; Future Vertical Lift; Network; Air 
and Missile Defense; and Soldier Lethality.
    In the last year, the Army has made notable adjustments in 
some of these portfolios as it makes tough decisions to balance 
force modernization with maintaining enduring capabilities. 
Today, the Subcommittee seeks to better understand how the Army 
will address remaining gaps moving forward.
    In its networking programs, the Army has shifted from a 
plan to insert modernized capabilities in 2-year ``capability 
sets'' to a more iterative, agile approach consistent with a 
necessary emphasis on continuous transformation. The 
Subcommittee supports this approach and looks forward to 
learning how the Army will balance iterative modernization 
while seeking big steps forward in efforts such as: long-range 
hypersonics, directed energy, mid-range missile capability and 
human-machine integrated formations.
    With submission of the 2025 National Defense Authorization 
Act (NDAA) we recognize that the Army is required to operate 
with a largely flat budget. At the same time, the Army's 
munitions support to Ukraine and Israel has exposed capacity 
limitations in our industrial base.
    Mr. Bush, we have had occasion to discuss this work before, 
and today I would appreciate an update on how the Army is using 
the replenishment of these items as well as its own investments 
to build future capacity. Further, we are interested in how the 
Army is employing recently authorized multiyear procurement 
authorities as well as your assessment of any additional 
resources or flexibilities that would further improve munitions 
development and production.
    Finally, the rapid growth of unmanned aerial systems (UAS) 
creates an urgent need for the Army to develop and field its 
own broad range of UAS, and also the ability to defeat similar 
systems at scale. We recognize the Army's investments in these 
capabilities and look forward to better understanding how to 
accelerate these efforts.
    It is in the Nation's best interest to avoid going to war 
with a near peer adversary, and the best way to do that is to 
outpace on the cutting edge, while continuing to modernize 
current capabilities in a manner that makes clear to our 
adversaries that they cannot beat us on the battlefield. We 
must do this to meet challenges in the Indo-Pacific, in Europe, 
and in the Middle East. We would like to better understand how 
the Army is balancing risk between newer modernization 
priorities and supporting enduring programs.
    The Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona has been a proud host 
for signature efforts like Project Convergence, which plays an 
important role in guiding Army modernization activity. We 
applaud the Army's work in this area, as such events inform and 
accelerate not only Army programs but joint and coalition 
operations as well. The Subcommittee is interested in an 
assessment of this year's Project Convergence and the 
capability and capacity of current testing and training 
facilities to support the modernized force to include the Army 
National Guard and Army Reserves, which are critical components 
of the Total Army.
    The Army continues to make significant progress in its 
modernization efforts, but the environment only grows in 
complexity. I have great confidence in all of you and look 
forward to a productive year as we continue to field the 
world's best Army.
    I will now recognize our Ranking Member, Senator Cotton.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR TOM COTTON

    Senator Cotton. Thank you, Senator Kelly. Thanks to our 
witnesses for being here today. The goal of Army modernization 
is to get the very best vehicles, munitions, and weapons so our 
soldiers can defeat the Nation's adversaries in combat, which 
makes that combat less likely in the first place.
    To prepare our soldiers the Army has to contend with 
limiting factors like cost, wait, obsolescence, and 
sustainment, among others, and of course it does not help that 
the Biden administration has once again cut the Army's budget 
for another year.
    Fortunately, I believe that General George has taken some 
steps to put the service on the right track. For example, 
Project Convergence demonstrates how the Army is adjusting to 
the modern battlefield. This combined joint exercise showed 
that the continuous transformation is becoming a reality in our 
Army. I look forward to hearing about lessons learned from the 
latest iteration of Project Convergence.
    During a visit to Fort Campbell this past year I saw 
firsthand how the Army is transforming one of its best fighting 
formations. Second Brigade, 101st Airborne is now the first 
experimental brigade designed to be more tactically mobile. I 
was particularly impressed by the brigade's new infantry squad 
vehicles. I would ask our witnesses to provide more examples of 
lessons learned from the 101st and other modernized units, 
including the light brigade combat teams in the 10th Mountain 
and 25th Infantry Divisions.
    Since this same hearing last year, the Army has made 
significant changes in its modernization portfolio. The Army 
has canceled the Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft program, 
based on lessons learned from Ukraine about survivability. The 
Army has pivoted the Extended Range Cannon Artillery program 
toward open competition, stressing the Army's focus on 
developing a longer-range artillery. I would like to also hear 
more about these and other major program changes.
    When adjusted for inflation, the Army's budget proposes to 
cut funding by over 2 percent compared to the fiscal year 2024 
enacted levels. As a result, the Army has also submitted more 
than $2 billion worth of unfunded priorities, including funding 
for counter-unmanned aerial systems, a fancy way of saying 
counter-drone warfare, munitions, and military construction. 
All of the chief's unfunded priorities will help modernize the 
Army, and I hope this Subcommittee and the full Committee will 
look to include as many as possible in this year's Defense 
Authorization Act.
    I thank our witnesses for their appearance once again, and 
I look forward to your testimony.
    Senator Kelly. We will now recognize the witnesses for 
their statements, starting with Secretary Bush.

STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE DOUGLAS R. BUSH, ASSISTANT SECRETARY 
     OF THE ARMY FOR ACQUISITION, LOGISTICS, AND TECHNOLOGY

    Mr. Bush. Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, and 
distinguished members of the Senate Armed Service Committee 
Subcommittee on Airland, good afternoon. Thank you for the 
invitation to appear before you to discuss the Army's 
modernization program and the resources requested in the 
President's Budget for fiscal year 2025.
    I am pleased today to be joined by my teammates, General 
James Rainey, the Commanding General of Army Futures Command, 
and Lieutenant General Karl Gingrich, the Army Deputy Chief of 
Staff, G-8. We appreciate you making our written statement part 
of the record for today's hearing.
    With your support, the Army's fiscal year 2025 budget 
request puts us on a path to equip today's soldiers with modern 
equipment while we invest in the technologies and systems 
necessary to build the Army of 2030 and beyond. The budget 
request before you reflects the Army's comprehensive approach 
to modernize, allowing us to adapt to challenge of an 
unpredictable era, an era marked by rapid and disruptive 
technological change and great power competition.
    As the Chairman noted, it represents our sustained 
commitment to our key modernization portfolios: Long-Range 
Fires, Next Generation Combat Vehicles, Future Vertical Lift 
Systems, Network, Air and Missile Defense, Soldier Lethality, 
and Synthetic Training Environment, while also investing in 
All-Domain Sensing and Contested Logistics.
    It also continues modernization and procurement of our 
enduring platforms and equipment that will remain in the force 
for years to come, that has to stay up with the potential 
threats.
    Mr. Chairman, in the invitation for the hearing you asked 
us to provide, in brief, an update of our modernization efforts 
as they relate to ongoing operations in the Asia-Pacific 
region, as well as across the globe. I will do that briefly and 
then in questions we can go deeper.
    The fiscal year 2025 budget request fully recognize the 
Army's role in the Indo-Pacific. In terms of material, the 
request includes sustained investments in key missile programs 
such as Patriot, as well as other air missile defense, 
including, for example, the Lower Tier Air and Missile Defense 
Sensor, the new radar for the Patriot and other systems, as 
well as the Indirect Fire Protection Capability Increment 2, 
another critical system to add to our air defense capability.
    Second, the hearing invitation asked us to address any 
significant portfolio adjustments made in the formation of the 
budget. Mr. Chairman, both yourself and the Ranking Member 
noted the biggest change, which was the proposed realignment of 
aviation funding out of the Future Attack Reconnaissance 
Aircraft and into continued production of the Black Hawk M 
model and going into production for the CH-47F Block II, as 
well as acceleration of unmanned aircraft. We are happy to talk 
more about the reasons for that and how things are going as we 
do Q&A. But that was our one biggest change.
    Although the Ranking Member mentioned the extended range 
cannon artillery, which is also significant, we still need the 
range. We want to try to get at it in a different way, and 
thank you for your support for letting us continue on that 
path.
    Third, the hearing invitation asked us for an update on 
Army efforts to expand production of critical munitions. Thanks 
to supplemental funding, in particular, and thank you and all 
the Members for providing the supplemental bill, which was 
absolutely critical to the Army's current and future readiness. 
We are going to dramatically expand production across the board 
for both precision munitions, things like Patriot--and the 
supplemental included specifically a $750 million investment to 
increase production of Patriot--and other things like 
conventional munitions, including 155 artillery and other 
conventional munitions. All of those things are now fully 
funded and on track, thanks to passage of the supplemental, and 
we are making it happen. We are now in that phase, and I look 
forward to talking to you about that in more detail.
    Fourth, the hearing invitation noted the proliferation of 
unmanned systems that we are seeing in Ukraine, and you asked 
us to provide an update on our efforts in that regard. The Army 
is taking significant steps to address this rapidly evolving 
threat against our troops, particularly in U.S. Central Command 
(CENTCOM) and working with our allies there. There is over $400 
million in the fiscal year 2025 request for procurement of our 
two lead programs of record, M-LIDs and FS-LIDs, and $140 
million for research and development of various directed energy 
systems.
    In addition, the supplemental bill passed by Congress 
provides us with an opportunity to do further work in CENTCOM 
based on urgent needs, getting equipment to them right now as 
that theater is, of course, the most under threat from this 
capability.
    We are also using authorities provided by Congress, 
including a new one in the NDAA, to let us rapidly move money 
around to address threats. We used that authority in October to 
put hundreds of additional Coyote inceptors on contract because 
of the scale of attacks we were seeing on our troops after 
October 7th. That kind of flexibility is exactly what we ask 
for support for in the future, as well.
    Finally, the invitation asked that we provide an update on 
the Army's establishment of cross-functional teams in contested 
logistics and all the main sensing as well as Project 
Convergence. With your support I will ask General Rainey to 
provide that update in his opening statement.
    In closing, I want to say thank you on behalf of the Army 
for this Subcommittee's very strong support of the Army in the 
fiscal year 2024 bill and the supplemental, and we look forward 
to answering your questions.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. General Rainey.

STATEMENT OF GENERAL JAMES E. RAINEY, USA, COMMANDING GENERAL, 
               UNITED STATES ARMY FUTURES COMMAND

    General Rainey. Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, 
distinguished Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for your 
continued support to our Army's soldiers, civilians, and 
families. I appreciate the invitation to appear before you 
today alongside Honorable Doug Bush, Lieutenant General Karl 
Gingrich, great teammates, as well as opportunity to talk about 
the work the Army is doing on continuous transformation.
    We are in the midst of the most disruptive period and 
technological change in the profession of arms in at least the 
last 100 years, maybe ever. The Army recognizes we have a 
responsibility to invest in systems needed to build the Army of 
2030, of 2040, but at the same time be ready to fight tonight, 
and make sure our soldiers are absolutely as prepared as 
possible.
    Army modernization remains on track due to Secretary 
Wormuth and General George's consistent prioritization and the 
tremendous teamwork across the Army staff, the Secretariat, 
TRADOC [Training and Doctrine Command], Army Materiel Command 
Force Com, and especially our commanders that are forward--
General Williams and his team, General Flynn and his team, 
General Frank and his team in CENTCOM, and the input they 
provide back to us as we try and modernize and transform.
    Additionally, our cross-functional teams remain one of the 
indisputable success stories, and in my opinion proof positive 
that the Army made a wise decision standing up AFC [Army 
Futures Command] almost 6 years ago now.
    As Honorable Bush said in remarks today, I would like to 
take the opportunity to highlight the two CFTs [cross-fuctional 
teams] that AFC has stood up since the last time I addressed 
this Committee last year, the Contested Logistics Cross-
Functional Team and All-Domain Sensing Cross-Functional Team.
    The Contested Logistics CFT in Huntsville, Alabama, reached 
full operating capacity in October 2023. The Army challenged 
this CFT with finding ways to make our formations lighter and 
more sustainable while also increasing their lethality and 
survivability. Seven months into this, the team is already 
making significant progress. They have four key portfolios--
precision sustainment, human machine integrated supply and 
distribution systems, advanced power, and demand reduction. 
These portfolios also present challenges to industry as well as 
Army, so AFC continues to work closely with our private sector 
partners, from startups to multinational corporations, to apply 
their lessons learned to the tactical logistics challenge.
    In partnership with the United States Marine Corps and the 
Navy, the Contested Logistics CFT is working on a joint 
abbreviated capability to develop and document on an autonomous 
watercraft and resupply vessels that grew out of our 
partnership in Project Convergence. This autonomous watercraft 
provides a smaller, lower cost, unmanned capability that will 
enable greater operational endurance and reach for both the 
Army and the Joint Force, especially in INDOPACOM [United 
States Indo-Pacific Command].
    The team is also exploring technologies on regenerative 
power, alternative fuel source power production, and emerging 
battery chemistries. They are exploring ways to utilize 
advanced manufacturing, alternative fuels, and new materials 
that reduce weight and delivery time of required repair parts, 
energy resupply, and items like food and water.
    The funding requested in the fiscal year 2025 budget 
reflect these priorities, accomplishments, and the resources 
needed to maintain our momentum. Me and my team are always 
available to provide more detailed briefings to Senators, their 
staffers, or to host anyone who wants to come to our facilities 
down in Huntsville to have a much deeper conversation on these 
efforts.
    Most recently, the Army announced the All-Domain Sensing 
Cross-Functional Team, which has a small headquarters here in 
Washington, DC, with the main body of the organization 
remaining in Huntsville, Alabama. This cross-functional team is 
not a new build, new soldiers. It is capitalizing on the 
success of the Assured Position Navigation and Timing CFT, 
which stood up, basically solved that problem, has been able to 
transition it to our teammates in Mr. Bush's organization, so 
continuing to evolve the cross-functional teams. This cross-
functional team evolution allowed the Army to transfer all the 
experience and expertise to a new set of challenges. By keeping 
all that talent in place they contribute to our initial 
success.
    So they are just getting started, but we have scoped the 
All-Domain Sensing Cross-Functional Team portfolio to address 
multi-sensor dominance. So, not just Army sensor but across the 
Joint Force, sensing architecture, and advanced processing and 
dissemination to facilitate successful understanding and 
decisionmaking in multi-domain operations.
    The battlefield has become increasingly transparent, and 
the U.S. Army must remain on the forefront of these 
technologies and their military applications. The work of these 
two new CFTs, as well as the incredible efforts from the rest 
of the transformation enterprise, was on display in February 
and March of this year during Project Convergence Capstone 4. 
Which, as you know, was an Army-hosted but wholly joint and 
combined experiment. We had all the services, six different 
allies and partners, and also for the first time incorporated 
OSD's [Office of the Secretary of Defense's] guide 
experimentation effort, wholly integrated into Project 
Convergence. It was hosted by our Marine Corps teammates at 
Camp Pendleton and then also at the National Training Center in 
California. This experiment tested our latest developments in 
offensive and defensive fire integration, joint command and 
control, contested logistics, and developments in human-machine 
integrated formations and next-generation command and control, 
as well as counter-UAS efforts. Both on the joint side and on 
the Army-specific side. We pushed the bounds of our network 
capabilities as we worked to design and implement the 
resilient, data-centric systems needed to operate on the modern 
battlefield as a joint force.
    We had about two dozen professional staff members attend 
Project Convergence, which we truly appreciate. I would like to 
take this opportunity to invite anybody that would like to come 
out to Capstone 5, which is scheduled for March and April 2025. 
We would be glad to host anybody who is interested.
    For the Army to capitalize on the technological advances 
made by our CFTs and the lessons we are learning from watching 
what is going on in the world and also during our 
experimentation campaign, we believe we need greater 
institutional agility. Specifically, as you heard General 
George testify on April 18th, we need increased flexibility to 
fund and field the unmanned systems, counter-UAS, and 
electronic warfare systems. This increased flexibility will 
allow us to rapidly integrate critical technologies more 
quickly into our combat formations so that our number one 
asymmetric advance, the American soldier, has everything they 
need to fight and win our Nation's war.
    In closing, I want to thank you for your commitment to the 
soldiers serving our Nation. Thank you for your time, and I 
look forward to your questions.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General Rainey. General Gingrich.

 STATEMENT OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL KARL H. GINGRICH, USA, DEPUTY 
            CHIEF OF STAFF, G-8, UNITED STATES ARMY

    Lieutenant General Gingrich. Good afternoon. Thank you, 
Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, and the distinguished 
Members of the Senate Armed Services Committee Subcommittee on 
Airland, for the opportunity to appear and testify regarding 
the Army's fiscal year 2025 modernization effort. A special 
thank you to all the Committee Members for your enduring 
support to our soldiers, civilians, and their families. They 
play a vital role in our Nation's defense, a position they have 
maintained faithfully for nearly 249 years.
    Our request for investments in modernization for fiscal 
year 2025 is synchronized with the Secretary of the Army's 
operational imperatives, which seek to place transformational 
capabilities in the hands of our soldiers to allow our Army to 
dominate in the land domain. As we learn lessons from the 
modern battlefield, our Army must transform continuously to be 
better prepared to defeat an evolving array of threats.
    Our investments will allow the Army to become leaner, more 
agile, and most importantly, more lethal. These investments 
will strengthen deterrence in the Indo-Pacific and other 
regions critical to our Nation's security. As the linchpin of 
the Joint Force in the Indo-Pacific, these investments will 
contribute directly to the Joint Force's ability to deter, and 
when called upon, fight and win decisively.
    As we transform for the future fight we are making 
generational investments while working with a sense of urgency 
to continuously transform. We remain committed to our signature 
modernization priorities, essential to the Army's broader 
transformation efforts.
    Army formations are transforming and modernizing rapidly 
through teamwork, engaged senior leadership, process 
refinement, and the authorities and resources you provide the 
Army. We continue to modernize responsibly, maintaining 
readiness now, while continuing to transform at a pace informed 
by the available resources.
    For several years, the Army ruthlessly prioritized its 
modernization portfolio. We have eliminated, reduced, and 
divested legacy capabilities, enabling investments in higher 
priority modernization programs. As such, we ask for your 
continued support of the requested resources essential to 
maintaining and sustaining the Army's modernization path.
    In closing, I would like to offer thanks to you and your 
staff and Committee who professionally facilitate the 
engagement necessary to advance our shared commitment to the 
defense of our Nation. Again, thank you for the opportunity to 
appear, and I look forward to your questions.
    [The joint prepared statement of The Honorable Douglas R. 
Bush, General James E. Rainey, and Lieutenant General Karl H. 
Gingrich follows:]

  Joint Prepared Statement by The Honorable Douglas R. Bush, General 
        James E. Rainey, and Lieutenant General Karl H. Gingrich
                              introduction
    Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, distinguished Members of the 
Subcommittee, thank you for your continued support to our soldiers, 
civilians, and families. On behalf of the Secretary of the Army, Hon. 
Christine E. Wormuth, and the Army Chief of Staff, General Randy A. 
George, we thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to 
discuss the Army's modernization program.
    The Army's fiscal year 2025 budget reflects the Army's 
comprehensive approach to modernization, so the Army can adapt to the 
challenges of an unpredictable era marked by rapid and disruptive 
technological innovation and great power competition. The budget 
request sustains momentum in our modernization initiatives, including 
the ability to invest faster in rapidly developing technology, while 
simultaneously prioritizing our role as the Joint Force linchpin in the 
Indo-Pacific, improving our Nation's industrial base and relationships 
with its innovation base, and continuing to support our allies and 
partners. Most importantly, this request will provide our soldiers the 
materiel solutions needed to fight and win our Nation's wars as part of 
the Joint Force.
                        the security environment
    The security environment is marked by efforts of the People's 
Republic of China (PRC) and Russia to reshape the international system 
to suit their authoritarian aspirations and coercive methods and by 
accelerating technological innovation that is proving to be the locus 
of the great power competition for technological superiority and 
economic and military advantage.
    As highlighted in the 2022 National Security Strategy, while Russia 
remains an immediate and ongoing threat, the PRC is the Nation's most 
consequential strategic competitor and the pacing challenge. The PRC is 
the only revanchist great power with both the stated intent to 
reconfigure the international system and the diplomatic, informational, 
military, economic, and technological instruments of national power to 
do so.
    The PRC is leveraging innovative technology not just to modernize 
its military and create asymmetric advantages across all the 
warfighting domains and the electromagnetic spectrum, but also 
transform it by effectively aligning its military Doctrine, 
Organization, Training, Materiel (including weapons systems), 
Leadership and Education, People, Facilities, and Policy.
    The Russia's war against Ukraine and events in the Levant 
demonstrate how the character of war continues to change rapidly and 
unpredictably. The unrelenting pace of technological innovation in 
these conflicts, as well as the competition between great powers, is 
placing a premium on the ability of nations, governments, and military 
institutions to adapt materially (including the industrial base), 
conceptually, and fiscally while also leveraging the comparative 
advantages of their citizen-soldiers and private sector innovation 
base. What we are seeing in Ukraine and Israel validates our six 
modernization initiatives: Long Range Precision Fires, Air and Missile 
Defense, Next Generation Combat Vehicles, Soldier Lethality, Future 
Vertical Lift, and the Network.
                 modernizing and transforming our army
    Materiel modernization is an essential part of the Army's broader 
transformation effort. Transforming our Army to ensure war-winning 
future readiness requires more than just fielding materiel solutions 
such as new technologies and platforms. It requires ``continuous 
transformation,'' which is a framework for exploring opportunities 
particularly with the private sector's innovation base and reshaping 
the institutional processes to invest in and realize leap-ahead 
capabilities faster than our adversaries. Those opportunities and 
enabling processes may be different according to the timeframe--whether 
in the next 18 to 24 months, the next 2 to 7 years (the timeframe for 
defense budget planning), or concept-based capabilities in the decade 
beyond that.
    The balance of current and future readiness requires advanced 
analytical methodologies to understand more comprehensibly the 
tradeoffs and associated risks between Modernization, Enduring, and 
Legacy program requirements and associated Army budgetary bins. To 
fully realize the potential of new capabilities on the battlefield 
requires integrating materiel modernization with non-materiel efforts. 
These include Doctrine, Organization, Training, Materiel, Leadership 
and Education, Personnel, Facilities, and Policy.
    Only by transforming and modernizing our Army in such a holistic, 
formation-centric manner and leveraging the Nation's industrial and 
innovation bases can we deliver more rapidly the relevant capabilities, 
such as human-machine integrated formations, needed to ensure the Army 
will continue to dominate the land domain in a period of disruptive 
technological innovation and great power competition.
                         modernizing the force
    The fiscal year 2025 budget request puts the Army on a sustainable 
path to equip today's soldiers with modern equipment while we invest in 
the technologies and systems necessary to build the Army of 2030-2040. 
We have also ensured that our requested resources are synchronized with 
the Secretary of the Army's six operational imperatives around which we 
are building the Army of 2030-2040:

      First, to sense deeper and more persistently than our 
enemies at all echelons.

      Second, to concentrate combat forces from dispersed 
locations to overwhelm our adversaries.

      Third, to deliver long range precision fires as part of 
the Joint Force.

      Fourth, to deliver air and missile defense at echelon to 
protect our forces.

      Fifth, to reliably communicate amongst ourselves and our 
Joint and coalition partners and secure ourselves from enemy cyber and 
electronic attack.

      Last, to sustain the fight for whatever the duration.

    Front and center in this effort is our sustained commitment to our 
key modernization portfolios--Long Range Precision Fires, Next 
Generation Combat Vehicle, Future Vertical Lift, Network, Air and 
Missile Defense, Soldier Lethality, Synthetic Training Environment, All 
Domain Sensing, and Contested Logistics--and we are grateful to 
Congress for the stable funding provided to advance these initiatives.
Long Range Fires Programs:
      The Army demonstrated the Precision Strike Missile's 
(PrSM) capability to achieve ranges well beyond the legacy Army 
Tactical Missile System and began production qualification testing in 
4Q fiscal year 2023.

      We successfully tested the Land Based Anti-Ship Missile 
seeker and the Extended Range Propulsion ramjet, setting conditions for 
subsequent increments of the PrSM program.

      The Army concluded the Extended Range Cannon Artillery 
(ERCA) Middle Tier of Acquisition (MTA) Rapid Prototyping effort in 
October 2023, with a determination that the current effort required 
further maturation and redesign. As part of a shift in strategy, the 
Army is planning a ``commercial off the shelf'' performance 
demonstration in the summer of 2024 that will provide decisionmakers a 
better understanding of the artillery systems available and capable of 
meeting the Division Artillery Lethality capability gaps validated by 
Army Futures Command led Tactical Fires Study.

      The Army's Rapid Capabilities and Critical Technologies 
Office, in partnership with the Navy, is on track to deliver the first 
Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW) battery in CY 2024.

      We delivered the Army's Mid-Range Capability (MRC) 
initial hardware in 1st quarter of fiscal year 2023 and are on track to 
equip three MRC batteries between fiscal year 2024--fiscal year 2026. 
The MRC prototype effort leverages existing Service missiles, 
launchers, software, and offers a maritime strike capability. MRC is 
projected to operate in the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command (USINDOPACOM) 
area of responsibility (AOR).
Next Generation Combat Vehicle Programs:
      The Army remains fully committed to the XM30 (Formerly 
Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle) program, executing a multi-phased 
acquisition approach to maximize competition. In 3Q fiscal year 2023, 
the Army awarded the competitive contract to two vendors for the Phase 
3 (Detailed Design) and Phase 4 (Prototype and Test) portions of 
program. Final vendor selection targeted for 2Q fiscal year 2028.

      The Robotic Combat Vehicle (RCV) program continues to 
make progress, informed by extensive experimentation with the RCV Full-
System Prototype effort. At the end of fiscal year 2023, the Army 
awarded four contracts for demonstrator vehicles. Final vendor 
selection is scheduled to occur in 2Q fiscal year 2025.

      The M10 Booker (Formerly Mobile Protected Firepower) 
program began low-rate initial production in 3Q fiscal year 2022, with 
the first LRIP vehicles arriving in 2Q fiscal year 2024 and fielding 
planned for fiscal year 2025.
Future Vertical Lift Programs:
      The Army is committed to the Future Long Range Assault 
Aircraft (FLRAA), which remains our highest aviation modernization 
priority. FLRAA will provide effective assault and MEDEVAC 
capabilities, with significantly increased speed, range, and endurance.

      The Future Tactical Unmanned Aerial System (FTUAS) is 
leveraging a competitive rapid prototyping approach to deliver 
transformational reach to ground forces with an organically sustained, 
rapidly deployable, runway-independent, and on-the-move control 
platform. FTUAS provides the BCT organic airborne reconnaissance and 
security with real-time situational awareness and effects vital to 
cross-domain maneuver at the speed required in Multi-Domain Operations. 
FTUAS will use an open systems approach to continually upgrade the 
system with the latest technology.

      The Army continues development of Launched Effects, a 
family of operationally consumable Uncrewed Aircraft Systems that are 
launched from both air and ground platforms to extend tactical and 
operational reach across multi-domain operations and enhance the 
overall range of lethal and non-lethal effects. This will include 
loitering munitions, additional sensors, and a vast array of payloads 
to support varying mission requirements.
Network Programs:
      The Army is transforming our command and control (C2) 
network to ensure we have the right capabilities at echelon to fight 
and win in Large Scale Combat by delivering simpler, more intuitive, 
lower signature, and more flexible capabilities.

      The Army is adapting its electromagnetic spectrum 
training, operations, and technology for Large Scale Combat, including 
equipping commanders with the materiel they require to see, understand, 
and reduce their electronic signature to manage risk to mission.

      Over the next year, deployed Army units will conduct 
real-world experiments to reduce network complexity and get the right 
capability in place at the right echelon.

      The Army is also accelerating delivery of the Unified 
Network through unified requirements, unified governance, a realigned 
PEO, and centralized delivery of services.

      Fiscal year 2025 continues the fielding of modernized C2 
network capability while evolving to more agile methods of development 
and deployment.

      In fiscal year 2025, the Army is investing in key 
capabilities that increase network resiliency, modernize backhaul, and 
upgrade post/camp/station network infrastructure worldwide.

      In total the Army is fielding more than 450 Army, Army 
Reserve and Army National Guard units with modernized network and/or C2 
capability in fiscal year 2024 to 2025.
Air and Missile Defense (AMD) Programs:
      The Army fielded the Initial Operational Capability for 
the Integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System (IBCS) in 
3Q fiscal year 2023 and recently completed the Full Rate Production 
decision for this critical Air and Missile Defense system that will 
link Army and Joint sensors to shooters.

      The Army is improving the Maneuver-Short Range Air 
Defense capability, which was fielded to the first battalion, with the 
second battalion fielded in 1Q fiscal year 2024.

      The Army continues to make progress on its Directed 
Energy Maneuver--Short Range Air Defense (DE M-SHORAD) effort, a 50 
kilowatt-class laser on a Stryker. Four prototypes have been accepted 
by the Army.

      We are advancing directed energy efforts for Indirect 
Fire Protection Capability (IFPC) by developing high-energy lasers 
(HEL) and high-power microwaves (HPM) for a layered defense of fixed 
and semi-fixed sites against an array of threats. As of 2Q fiscal year 
2024, the Army has accepted four IFPC-HPM prototypes. Two prototype 
IFPC-HEL 300kW-class laser weapon systems will be delivered by the end 
of fiscal year 2025.

      Six Lower Tier Air and Missile Defense Sensor (LTAMDS) 
prototypes have been manufactured and are in developmental testing, 
with residual operating capability first demonstrated in 1Q fiscal year 
2024. Testing will continue to validate additional capabilities through 
an Operational Assessment with Warfighters in 1Q fiscal year 2025.

      In November 2023, the U.S. Government leased the two Iron 
Dome Defense System Army (IDDS-A) Batteries to the Government of Israel 
for a period not to exceed 11 months.

      The Army has accepted the first set of Indirect Fire 
Protection Capability (IFPC) launchers for test and evaluation and is 
on path to complete delivery of all 16 launchers to begin an 
operational assessment in 4Q fiscal year 2024.

      The Army continues to procure Counter-small Unmanned 
Aircraft Systems (C-sUAS) to address Unmanned Aircraft Systems threats. 
In 1Q 2024, the Army began procuring one Division C-sUAS set with 172 
Coyote interceptors, complete with procurement of 59 fixed sites that 
cover globally prioritized critical sites. In fiscal year 2025, the 
Army will procure a second Division set of C-sUAS systems, seven Family 
of Counter-Unmanned Aircraft Systems to provide C-sUAS capabilities for 
USASOC, continue to field C-sUAS capabilities to protect Secretary of 
Defense approved covered facilities and assets, and support emergent 
requirements in support of Joint Urgent Operational Needs. 
Additionally, the Army will finish fielding C-sUAS capabilities to the 
first two Army Combat Divisions.
Soldier Lethality Programs:
      Based on results from Integrated Visual Augmentation 
System (IVAS) fiscal year 2022 operational testing, the Army conducted 
a program re-plan to address areas of improvement. The Army and 
Microsoft have identified solutions to address these areas through 
refinements driven by soldier-centered design. The Army initiated IVAS 
1.0 fielding to Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) units in late 
fiscal year 2023, and is on pace to field IVAS 1.1 systems to the 
Combat Training Centers in fiscal year 2024. The Army intends to field 
IVAS 1.2, the full rate production goggle, to the Close Combat Force as 
early as 4Q fiscal year 2025.

      The Army has procured approximately half of its Enhanced 
Night Vision Goggle Binocular (ENVG-B) procurement objective. 
Additional procurement funding in fiscal year 2023, along with 
programmed funding in fiscal year 2024, facilitated the purchase of an 
additional 10K ENVG-B systems and maintains ENVG-B production through 
4Q fiscal year 2026.

      Production of the Next Generation Squad Weapon (NGSW) 
Rifle, Automatic Rifle, Fire Control, and General Purpose Ammo began in 
fiscal year 2022, and First Unit Equipped occurred in 2Q fiscal year 
2024.
Synthetic Training Environment (STE) Programs:
      STE Software (STE-SW) and Reconfigurable Virtual 
Collective Trainers (RVCT) delivered initial prototype capabilities in 
fiscal year 2023 and is on track for First Unit Equipped (FUE) in 4Q 
fiscal year 2024 to Army Fort Cavazos, Fort Moore, and Fort Novosel. 
One World Terrain, a key component of STE-SW, is in the hands of 
soldiers now providing operational battlefield visualization.

      We continue progress on the Squad Immersive Virtual 
Trainer which remains aligned with IVAS, with development focused on 
hardware productization, cybersecurity, reliability, and other 
enhancements.

      The Army's Live Training System (LTS) to conduct force-
on-force and force-on-target live training will deliver initial 
capability to the Joint Readiness Training Center in fiscal year 2024.

      The Soldier Virtual Trainer (SVT) conducted its first 
Soldier Touchpoint in 1Q fiscal year 2023, with a second STP scheduled 
for 3Q fiscal year 2024. The program is on track to deliver initial 
capability in 1Q fiscal year 2025.
All Domain Sensing Programs:
      The Army transitioned to M-Code Global Positioning System 
(GPS) and alternative Position, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) beginning 
in fiscal year 2022, following the first fielding of Dismounted Assured 
PNT Generation I Quick Reaction Capability System, fulfilling the 
Directed Requirement.

      The Mounted Assured PNT System Generation II Program of 
Record, an M-Code GPS capable system, will initiate fielding in fiscal 
year 2024.

      Success in the APNT/S Cross-Functional Team (CFT) allowed 
the Army to transition the team and its efforts into the All-Domain 
Sensing (ADS) CFT. The ADS CFT will address multi-sensor dominance, 
sensing architecture, advanced processing and dissemination, and other 
operational enablers to facilitate successful understanding and 
decisionmaking in multi-domain operations.

      The Army continues to invest in the ground segments of 
space-based technologies that close operational gaps in deep sensing 
and targeting activities. The Army prototyped and live-fire 
demonstrated the first-ever use of Low-Earth Orbit Satellite-based 
Alternative Navigation technology to guide a Precision Guided Munition 
in a totally GPS-denied environment and successfully engage a target at 
long range.
Contested Logistics Programs
      AFC instituted the Contested Logistics Cross-Functional 
Team (CL CFT) to lead a deliberate transformation effort by developing 
Army and Joint Signature Sustainment Modernization Capabilities aligned 
to pacing threats associated with contested Multi-Domain Operations 
(MDO) and Large-Scale Combat Operations (LSCO).

      The CL CFT reached Full Operational Capacity (FOC) on 31 
OCT 2023.

      The CL CFT is currently addressing the challenges 
presented in a contested environment through four key portfolios: 
Precision Sustainment, Human Machine Integration (HMI) Supply & 
Distribution Systems, Advanced Power, and Demand Reduction.

      Recently, an Army Requirements Oversight Council (AROC) 
approved Predictive Logistics with an initial focus on firing 
platforms, specifically Abrams, Paladins, and Bradleys.

      The CL CFT pursues continuous transformation with 
autonomous/robotic solutions and HMI to increase operational reach and 
endurance for commanders.

    The Army's budget request also continues procurement and 
modernization of our key systems for our operational aviation 
platforms, Ground Combat Systems, Intelligence programs, Logistics, 
Armaments, and Ammunition. We carefully balanced the overall Research, 
Development, and Acquisition portfolio, including fine-tuning between 
Research, Development, Test and Evaluation funding, and Procurement 
funding, as we transition from enduring systems to our new modernized 
systems.
    The Aviation portfolio strikes a balance between prudent 
investments to maintain the viability of the enduring fleet, while also 
investing in future aircraft and capabilities designed to provide 
reach, standoff, and overmatch against peer competitors in Multi Domain 
Operations. Beyond investments in FLRAA, the Army is making key 
investments in Apache, Black Hawk, and Chinook helicopter 
modernization, to include CH-47F Block II for conventional units and 
MH-47G for special operations units. The Army also continues 
investments in munitions and aircraft protection by sustaining Joint 
Air-to-Ground Missile production, an improved lethality option to the 
current Hellfire missile, and through continued investment in Aircraft 
Survivability Equipment, a suite of systems that protect Army aircraft 
from threat infrared missiles, radar guided missiles, and lasers 
through detection and defeat systems.
    Armored Brigade Combat Team modernization and combat vehicle 
protection remain a priority. With this budget, the Army will procure 
30 Abrams M1A2SEPv3s Tanks, 51 Strykers, 20 Self-Propelled Howitzer 
Paladin Integrated Management (PIM) vehicle sets, and 26 Joint Assault 
Bridges.
    The Intelligence and Electronic Warfare (IEW) Portfolio enables 
Commanders to see and sense more, at greater distance, and more 
persistently at every echelon. The IEW portfolio is making key 
investments in critical Multi-Domain Intelligence capabilities to 
provide better analytics, Deep Sensing, and Indications and Warning 
(I&W) in support of Targeting. These investments include the 
Terrestrial Layer System which will provide electronic warfare and 
cyber enabled effects; the Army Intelligence Data Platform (AIDP) that 
is the Army's first cloud native web based intel program of record; The 
Multi-Domain Sensing System-High Accuracy Detection and Exploitation 
System (MDSS-HADES), which will provide collection at extended ranges; 
and the Tactical Intelligence Targeting Access Node (TITAN), which will 
provide processors to exploit and disseminate critical intelligence, at 
every echelon. These critical investments are required to meet our 
pacing threat challenges.
    The Air and Missile Defense portfolio invests in integrated command 
and control, sensors, and shooters to provide 360-degree, tiered, 
layered defensive fires against a wide range of air and missile 
threats. It continues to invest in Counter-small Unmanned Aircraft 
Systems (C-sUAS), Lower Tier AMD Sensor prototypes, Patriot radar 
upgrades, and procurement of critical AMD munitions, such as the 
Patriot Missile Segment Enhanced. The Fire Support portfolio continues 
to invest in modernization priorities to address long-range missiles 
fires and capabilities needed for today, with a focus on the INDOPACOM 
AOR. In fiscal year 2025, we will procure 236 PrSM Increment 1 
missiles, support PrSM Increment 2 seeker development, and begin 
procurement of 19 Maritime Strike Tomahawks (MST) to support the 
priority theater.
    The Command and Control portfolio continues to align resources 
required for networks and command posts to be simpler, more intuitive, 
lower signature, and more flexible. The portfolio will increase Command 
Post mobility and survivability through investments in modular command 
posts, on-the-move and low earth orbit SATCOM, and secure wireless 
capabilities. The portfolio procures modernized radios to meet the 
National Security Agency cryptographic modernization requirements and 
joint and coalition interoperability; continues investments in Unified 
Network Operations, software-defined network capabilities, and network 
security to enable data centricity. It will also continue to procure 
and develop Assured Position, Navigation, and Timing capabilities.
    The Logistics portfolio invests in Army Watercraft, a combat 
multiplier in support of Army operational concepts and the Geographical 
Combatant Commander in large scale combat operations; invests in 
contested logistics capabilities to reduce demand and provide point of 
need production and sustainment; and realigns funding to support 
critical ammunition program lines and Army Training Strategies to 
ensure contractual requirements are met to maintain Industrial Base 
Minimum Sustainment Rate capacities; and procures of 1,353 Joint Light 
Tactical Vehicles, 16 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles 
(HMMWVs) and 2,167 HMMWV antilock braking system/electronic stability 
control kits to improve our existing tactical wheeled vehicle fleet.
    Finally, the Human Machine Integration (HMI) portfolio consolidates 
Army efforts to bring autonomous and machine learning advantages to our 
tactical formations. Integrating virtual training capacities in 
emerging weapon systems and enduring systems with add on modules/
effects ensures continuous training of soldiers and formations to 
operate efficiently and effectively as part of the joint force. 
Observations from ongoing conflicts in Europe and the Middle East, as 
well as an understanding of the significant threats in INDOPACOM 
demonstrate a need to rapidly develop an HMI capability inside our Army 
formations at echelon. Our investments in autonomous and semi-
autonomous ground and aerial systems are essential to extend our 
battlefield effects, maintain an advantage over the enemy, and enhance 
the lethality and survivability of our formations. The Army will employ 
robotic systems to offload risk from soldiers onto machines and 
leverage autonomy and machine learning to reduce soldier mental and 
physical loads. This allows our number one asymmetric advantage, the 
U.S. Army soldier, to focus on those tasks that only humans can do--the 
ethical application of force, utilize curiosity and intuition, and 
apply the art of command. The ability to make first contact with the 
enemy using a robot instead of a soldier is essential to continue to 
protect our most precious resource. Investment in the HMI portfolio 
allows the Army to do this.
                   modernizing our business practices
    The Army has embraced industry best practices, such as the use of 
soldier-centered design and rigorous experimentation with prototypes, 
to enable feedback from soldiers and commanders earlier in the 
development process. This is accomplished in phases--first by getting 
prototype equipment into the hands of soldiers from the operational 
force early, through soldier touchpoints, to refine requirements before 
more investments are made. In subsequent phases of experimenting with 
prototypes in increasingly complex scenarios, we assess how we would 
organize and fight using this technology. This provides the Army not 
only valuable feedback on the technology itself, but we learn how we 
need to train and integrate across Doctrine, Organization, Training, 
Materiel, Leadership and Education, Personnel, Facilities, and Policy.
    The Army continues Project Convergence, a Joint and multi-national 
experimentation campaign of continuous learning to inform capability 
design with soldier touchpoints that culminates in a major field 
experiment. Working closely with our counterparts from the other 
Services, we identify Joint warfighting problems to solve. 
Experimentation objectives, operational scenarios, and data collection 
plans are managed by the Project Convergence Board of Directors, which 
includes representatives from all the Services, the Joint Staff, and 
coalition partners. Events range from field experimentation with the 
signature modernization capabilities from the Army's Cross-Functional 
Teams to embedding experimentation objectives in annual operational 
exercises, such as Northern Edge, Valient Shield, Balikatan, and 
Avenger Triad. These events include focused learning on integration 
with multi-national partners, including FVEY, NATO, and many Pacific 
partners (Japan, Republic of Korea, Philippines, Singapore, etc.). The 
PC series also features a Capstone event that establishes an Army-
hosted Joint experimental venue. The Capstone event is designed to 
inform the Joint Warfighting Concept, the OSD vision for CJADC2, and 
CCMD priority areas (such as the Joint Fires Network from INDOPACOM).
    The Army continues to implement and employ the reform initiatives 
granted by Congress that were designed to streamline and gain 
efficiencies in the acquisition process. In recent years, Congress has 
authorized more flexible approaches to acquisition, which have resulted 
in the establishment of DOD's Adaptive Acquisition Framework (AAF). The 
AAF provides the Army with six acquisition pathways that enable the 
acquisition workforce to tailor strategies to deliver better solutions 
faster. For example, the Army is judiciously using Middle Tier 
Acquisition (MTA) rapid prototyping authority to experiment with 
innovative, mature technologies to quickly demonstrate new 
capabilities. The Army is using MTA rapid fielding authority to quickly 
field production quantities of new or upgraded systems with minimal 
development, potentially resulting in faster capability delivery and 
lower costs. In all, the MTA pathway enables a ``try before we buy'' 
framework that reduces risk, reduces cost, and accelerates capability 
development and deployment. The Army currently has 32 programs 
executing MTA rapid prototyping or rapid fielding efforts and is using 
these authorities to accelerate select Army modernization priorities 
including FLRAA, XM30, MRC, and IFPC.
    The Army also benefits from the establishment of the Software 
Acquisition Pathway (SWP). The SWP is a new acquisition pathway used to 
facilitate rapid and iterative delivery of custom software capabilities 
to users, recognizing that technology development cycles are more rapid 
in software systems. Programs using the SWP will demonstrate the 
viability and effectiveness of the capability within 1 year. The Army 
currently has 17 programs executing on the SWP, and we continue to seek 
more opportunities to use this tailored pathway. In addition to the 
SWP, the Secretary of the Army issued a new policy in March 2024 to 
drive adoption of agile software development practices. The directive 
institutionalizes modern software development approaches across the 
Army, in line with industry best practices. These approaches--which 
include agile and lean practices--focus on iterative development and 
delivery of software in close coordination with users. This type of 
development allows software to be rapidly developed and refined over 
time, accelerating the Army's ability to deliver needed capabilities to 
soldiers. To enable broad adoption of these modern approaches, the 
directive reforms many of the institutional processes that underpin the 
software development lifecycle, from requirements through sustainment, 
which have historically been cumbersome and time intensive. This 
represents one of the first significant efforts across the Department 
to comprehensively adjust legacy software development processes in line 
with private sector best practices.
    Rapid Acquisition Authority (RAA) continues to enable the 
Department to quickly acquire and deploy capabilities in response to 
urgent operational needs. This authority applies to capabilities that 
can be fielded within 2 years and are based on already proven or 
available technologies, or to capabilities that can be developed or 
procured under MTA authority. RAA significantly streamlines acquisition 
requirements to enable a rapid response to existing threats. The Army 
most recently used this authority to award a production contract for 
600 Coyote Interceptors to help protect U.S. forces from Unmanned 
Aerial System attacks. Congress further enhanced RAA in the fiscal year 
2024 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) to better enable the 
Department to respond to emergent technological advancements or 
threats, or to U.S. allies and partners who have been subject to an 
armed attack by a ``country of concern,'' respectively.
    The Army also benefits from expanded use of Other Transaction 
Authority (OTA), which can include follow-on production awards. OTAs 
are contractual instruments other than standard procurement contracts 
(i.e. FAR), grants, and cooperative agreements that lend themselves to 
working with small companies and non-traditional defense contractors, 
two known sources of technological innovation. The Army effectively 
uses OTAs to streamline the acquisition of basic and advanced research 
activities, prototype projects, and follow-on production efforts. In 
fiscal year 2023, the Army awarded more than 1,767 OTA agreements 
valued at $6.9 billion. The Army updated its OTA Policy in February 
2024 to address recent statutory changes, including the expanded 
definition of prototype efforts and incorporate innovative pilot 
programs to use OTAs for construction.
    Congress also made permanent the authority for Commercial Solutions 
Opening (CSO) in the fiscal year 2022 NDAA. Since its establishment as 
a pilot program, the Army has leveraged the CSO authority to obtain 
innovative commercial products and solutions to fulfill requirements, 
close capability gaps, and provide technological advances. The 
streamlined nature of the CSO procedures also serves to lower barriers 
to entry and incentivize small and non-traditional vendors who have not 
previously worked with the Department. The Army used CSO authority 
extensively as part of its pandemic response efforts.
    In addition, in the fiscal year 2016 NDAA, Congress encouraged 
delegation of Milestone Decision Authority (MDA) for most acquisition 
programs from the Office of the Secretary of Defense to the Military 
Departments. The Army further delegated MDA for some of these programs 
to the Program Executive Officer level, when appropriate. This 
delegation allows the Army to appropriately align program oversight 
with risk, resulting in reduced bureaucracy and increased efficiency.
    Last, Congress recently provided temporary authorities to 
streamline acquisition and contracting requirements to support Ukraine, 
Taiwan, and Israel, and to replenish domestic stocks of equipment. 
Section 1244 of the fiscal year 2023 NDAA, as amended by section 1242 
of the fiscal year 2024 NDAA, enables the Army to reduce procurement 
lead times by several months. It also provides streamlined multiyear 
procurement authority for select munitions, which the Army is using to 
stabilize the industrial base. These flexibilities have been critical 
in helping the Army move quickly to deliver capabilities in response to 
Russia's war against Ukraine and to replenish U.S. stocks.
    All these initiatives, individually and in combination, allow for 
better and faster modernization decisions and faster requirements 
development.
                               conclusion
    The Army is modernizing and adapting to ensure we can deliver 
leading-edge capabilities to our soldiers at the speed of relevance and 
innovation. With continued support from Congress, we are building a 
force capable of competing across the spectrum of competition and 
conflict to deter war and, failing that, prevail in war. With stable 
funding, newly enacted authorities, forward-leaning leadership, and 
fiscally agile processes, as well as a rigorous technology 
experimentation regime, we are even further down the modernization path 
than envisioned at this point last year. Modernization is a central 
element of Army transformation, translating materiel modernization into 
capability and lethality in our formations. The nature of our 
adversaries and their ability to harness if not control the direction 
and pace of technological innovation to achieve overmatch across the 
warfighting domains demands that we adapt continuously in how we 
modernize and transform. With your support, we are committed to doing 
that.
    Thank you again for this opportunity to discuss Army Modernization 
and for your strong support of our soldiers, civilians, and their 
families.

    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General. Again, thank all of you 
for your service and being here to testify today.
    I am going to start with General Rainey. General, in your 
opening comments you mentioned how this is the biggest or 
greatest transition an Army has had to make in, I think you 
said, 100 years, or maybe ever. I agree with you. It is a steep 
hill we are trying to climb here.
    I am concerned that our ability to test some of these new 
capabilities, ranging from new electronic warfare systems to 
directed energy, which you mentioned, to hypersonics, are 
constrained by the current limitations in our ability to 
conduct open air, as well as hardware in the loop and simulated 
tests and evaluation and experimentation. Facilities like the 
Electronic Proving Ground at Fort Huachuca in Arizona and the 
Yuma Proving Ground, which often hosts Project Convergence, are 
crucial to the Army's efforts.
    General Rainey, how is the Army ensuring that it has 
sufficient capacity and capability to proceed on its 
modernization requirement at the pace that our National Defense 
Strategy demands?
    General Rainey. Thank you for that question. So if I could 
take it in two parts, the ability to test is one of the 
critical steps in the ability to transform, just like 
requirements and acquisition, as you know, Senator Kelly. So 
being able to do that in an innovative, fast way that keeps 
pace, so that we are not waiting on tests. We are innovating 
two different ways there, and there are resources applied in 
our budget to fully modernize Army Test and Evaluation Command, 
because if we do not do that we are going to end up with 
modernized equipment and waiting around for old-fashioned 
testing.
    I think maybe more important than that is the other part of 
the question about being able to train the force. So one of the 
things that keeps me awake is, because I believe we will 
deliver all these modernization efforts, but we cannot train 
with them. Then it is almost pointless, right? We are the best 
Army in the world because of our people and the way we train. 
That is something that we are passionate about.
    Places like the John Fox Range at Huachuca, and that being 
a world-class training environment where we can train in 
different domains than we have traditionally is something that 
is essential, and that is a priority for General George and the 
Secretary. Not to speak for my teammate, General Brito, but the 
person who is responsible for Fort Huachuca has a laser focus 
on that one. Camp Grayling, Michigan, is another place, looking 
cross-COMPO. Some of the best facilities we have are not in 
COMPO 1. They are in COMPO 2. So it is a great opportunity to 
work across the total force.
    Senator Kelly. Has there been any, that you are aware of, 
any limitations on access to ranges or facilities that have 
impacted a timeline for any kind of development programs, 
because you have not had access to a place to test the new 
equipment?
    General Rainey. I am not aware of a specific example yet, 
but as we modernize and increase the fielding of these 
capabilities we are going to need to grow our ability to both 
test and train. So not yet but it is a potential thing if we do 
not continue to invest in it.
    Senator Kelly. I was down at the U.S. Naval Test Pilot 
School about a month ago, of which I am a graduate, and it was 
really interesting. I was talking to the commanding officer, 
and he said he either had there now, or a student that was 
coming from the Army, not a helicopter pilot, but a guy that is 
an Abrams tank commander or officer, that is going to go 
through the flight test engineering program at the Naval Test 
Pilot School, just to be able to better learn how to conduct 
developmental tests. If it works out well it might be something 
that you would consider expanding upon.
    Do you have plans to enhance any of the test capability or 
leverage some of these areas like Yuma Proving Ground or Fort 
Huachuca, to get further capacity?
    General Rainey. Yes, we do, both capacity and then also 
testing is expensive. So within the fiscal stewardship aspect 
of this, we believe there is an opportunity to use simulation 
to a much greater extent than we currently are, and we have 
facilities at Aberdeen Proving Ground, the National Simulation 
Center that is a Fort Leavenworth. So it is not just making the 
John Fox Range awesome and making Camp Grayling awesome, and 
being able to train at Fort Bliss, Texas, is how do you link 
them together and do 100 reps in simulation, so when you do 
test we are getting the max effect for the dollars and soldiers 
that we actually use.
    Senator Kelly. You mentioned Capstone 5. You said it was 
going to be in March or April?
    General Rainey. March and April.
    Senator Kelly. Where will that be?
    General Rainey. Right now it will be spread across not just 
the United States but we are going to link it distributively to 
INDOPACOM all the way out to the Philippines in an exercise, 
also into CENTCOM and EUCOM [United States European Command] 
for the joint portion, so distributed command and control 
modes. Then the Army portion will be primarily at the National 
Training Center, but as you know we use Yuma Proving Grounds, 
Fort Bliss, and other places for both lead-up events to it and 
then to distribute the experiment.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General. Senator Cotton.
    Senator Cotton. Mr. Bush, I want to talk about the IVAS 
system. It is kind of like a bad penny. It keeps turning up, 
but it costs a lot more than a cent, hundreds of millions of 
dollars per year.
    The Army bought 10,000 copies of the first two variants, 
which made soldiers sick and did not work. Those systems, I 
presume, will never see combat. Now the Army is asking for $250 
million to buy 3,000 of the latest IVAS iteration, Version 1.2, 
that is still not guaranteed to fix these problems. The Army 
recently tested 10 of these units with one squad from the 10th 
Mountain. Has the Army tested IVAS 1.2 with any platoon or 
company-sized element yet?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, not yet, but that is coming imminently, 
larger-scale tests. There is a plan to move from squad to 
platoon to company as we progress with testing 1.2, to 
determine, your question, of whether or not it is worth 
spending those procurement dollars on.
    I would not say we know for sure, but I believe we have a 
plan to inform such a decision, if Members provide the funds.
    Senator Cotton. Could you provide an actual timeline to 
flesh out your answer, ``imminently''?
    General Rainey. Third quarter of fiscal year 2024, so late 
summer is when we are going to get our hands on 1.2, and make 
sure that it goes through the rigor of soldiers using it and 
getting their feedback, Senator.
    Senator Cotton. Third quarter of fiscal year 2024, if I am 
not mistaken, would be April, May, or June. Is that correct?
    General Rainey. Yes, Senator. I will come back to you with 
the exact date we are going to get 1.2 and the way ahead for 
who is going to test it and where.
    Senator Cotton. Today is May 15th, so that is 46 days until 
the end of the third quarter. So you expect to conduct tests 
with IVAS 1.2, at platoon and company-size elements, by June 
30th?
    General Rainey. To be clear, Senator, I believe that is the 
time we are scheduled to receive it, and I will have to come 
back to you, if I may, on the plan to get the soldiers' touch 
points and platoon and company.
    Senator Cotton. To receive the systems----
    General Rainey. To receive the systems.
    Senator Cotton.--not to test them at the platoon and 
company level.
    General Rainey. Correct.
    Senator Cotton. So you will receive the systems by June 
30th.
    General Rainey. Yes.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. Do we know a timeline for when we 
will test them with platoon and company-sized elements?
    Mr. Bush. It is over the remainder of this year, sir.
    Senator Cotton. Fiscal year or calendar year?
    Mr. Bush. Calendar year, sir, in a series of events. I 
apologize for not having it to hand, but we can provide it by 
the end of today, a detailed schedule for you.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. So you will have them delivered by 
June 30th, and you expect to test them with platoon and 
company-sized elements by the end of 2024 calendar year.
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you. My understanding, from the 
results, is that soldiers who have tested these latest systems 
could not read or open a lock in low light. Most soldiers had 
cable malfunctions. The remote keys got stuck. The mission 
shield is not ballistically rated. There are other issues. I 
could go on but my time is running short.
    General Rainey, do you think these systems are going to 
prove suitable for combat use once you start testing them?
    General Rainey. Senator, I don't know. I am very interested 
in receiving 1.2. We have high expectations that it is going to 
be much better than what we have received and tested so far. 
When it comes to IVAS, as a former infantryman, I realize the 
potential. I mean, if it works it is a legitimate 10x upgrade 
to our most important formations. But if it is does not work 
then I think we would have to take a very hard look at whether 
we continue down that path or use that money for other critical 
aspects of our night vision strategy, because we have to make 
sure the entire Army can own the night, and there are other 
very good systems, like ENVG [Enhanced Night Vision Goggle], 
for example, that have demonstrated really strong supports.
    Senator Cotton. Well, in a big old Federal budget, and even 
in a DOD budget, $250 million is not a lot, but the Army is not 
the Navy or the Air Force, and $250 million buys a lot of other 
stuff for you that is needful.
    Mr. Bush, do you think at this stage we should go forward 
with the $250 million purchase of 3,000 units when only 10 have 
been tested so far?
    Mr. Bush. Sir, I do support the President's Budget because 
I will give the Chief and Secretary the option, if testing goes 
well, to keep this capability on track. But there is an ``if'' 
there, and, of course, we would not make such a decision 
without informing them of the test results so they can make the 
call. But I would ask the Committee's support to consider that 
funding so that if it does work out it does provide improved 
capability for infantry forces, which is greatly needed.
    With regard to the specific problems, sir, I think this 1.2 
is designed to get at the three major flaws you pointed out, 
which are all very well-articulated. The one that concerned me 
the most was the form factor, meaning how a soldier wears it. 
The first version I agree was not something that was usable in 
an infantry context. This version, I believe, gets at that very 
much, and is much closer to what our soldiers are used to 
wearing with night vision devices they wear, but does more than 
just night vision. However, sir, it is a new technology, and it 
may not work out, but we are hopeful that it will.
    Senator Cotton. Yes, I share those concerns. More than once 
soldiers have wondered who could have possibly designed an 
article of clothing or a piece of equipment that they are 
expected to wear on long marches or riding in small vehicles or 
jumping out of an aircraft. Thank you.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Mullin.
    Senator Mullin. Thank you, Chairman, and thank you guys for 
being here.
    General, I see that you had shoulder surgery?
    General Rainey. Yes, Senator.
    Senator Mullin. How long ago?
    General Rainey. Three weeks.
    Senator Mullin. Well, thank you for being here. I have had 
multiple shoulder surgeries, and it is never a fun process. 
Enjoy the rehab. If someone does not make you cry they are not 
doing their job right.
    Anyway, thank you guys so much.
    General Rainey, I want to start with you. Has the Army's 
Future Command mission changed since sequestration?
    General Rainey. I would not say changed fundamentally. I 
would say expanded, Senator. So the initial start of Army 
Futures Command was almost totally focused on modernization, so 
materiel only. Secretary Wormuth adjusted that, in my opinion, 
in a broader context, so the overall responsibility to 
transform the Army, not just modernize.
    So I have a part of the modernization responsibility for 
the Army, and that is determining the requirements and working 
closely with Mr. Bush and his team to do acquisition. At the 
same time, General George, when he became the Chief of Staff of 
the Army, assigned all of his major commands a responsibility 
and designated AFC as the Army lead for transformation.
    None of those things are holy within my organization, but 
the overall responsibility to work closely with Mr. Bush and 
his team, General Gingrich and his team on materiel, but also 
work with General Brito to make sure that the training 
organization and leadership of all those critical aspects all 
come together in a way that makes sure the Army can continue to 
dominate the land domain.
    Senator Mullin. So would you say that the Army is kind of 
rescoping the command base on the change of mission then?
    General Rainey. I don't know if I would use the word 
``rescoping'' but adapting.
    Senator Mullin. Should it be looking at rescoping?
    General Rainey. I am very comfortable with what I am 
accountable for to the Secretary and Chief, the resources that 
I have that accomplish my mission and the relationships and 
teamwork that I have. So my answer would be no, Senator.
    Senator Mullin. Okay. Good enough.
    Secretary Bush, how effective has the Directed Energy 
Maneuverable Short-Range Air Defense prototypes proven in the 
field?
    Mr. Bush. Sir, so we have deployed----
    Senator Mullin. By the way, I would have used the acronym 
but I do not know how to pronounce it.
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. So we have deployed the prototypes. 
That was a request from CENTCOM, and we have done that, and we 
are learning a tremendous amount because of that. I think what 
we are finding is where the challenges are with directed energy 
at different power levels. So that power level, 50 kilowatts, 
is proving challenging to incorporate into a vehicle that has 
to move around constantly. It is the heat dissipation, the 
amount of electronics, kind of the wear and tear of a vehicle 
in a tactical environment versus a fixed site.
    Senator Mullin. Right.
    Mr. Bush. However, sir, that learning, though, on those 
prototypes is informing all of our other prototyping efforts in 
directed energy. We have deployed other systems at lower power 
levels that are proving successful--20 kilowatts, for example, 
in some fixed-site type setups. Then we have still to be 
delivered some higher power, 300 kilowatt systems that would 
also be more of a fixed-site type defense but maybe capable 
against a cruise missile, not just a UAV [unmanned aerial 
vehicle].
    So, sir, I think all this prototyping is going to tell us 
how to get a real directed energy system actually in the real 
Army as soon as we can.
    Senator Mullin. So, the change, is that coming directly 
from the soldiers in the field? Is that the feedback they are 
giving you, saying this is the issues we are having?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, Senator. I mean, there is, of course, no 
better feedback than that. They will tell you everything, and 
they are not worried about your feelings. So we are getting 
that feedback, which is what we need.
    As I mentioned, we are learning that directed energy in a 
lab environment or in a test range is different from a truly 
deployable, tactical environment. But it is the future, and we 
are committed to it as part of our overall counter-UAS 
approach.
    Senator Mullin. So what do you figure the benefits are from 
some of the high energy lasers versus the high-powered 
microwaves?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. So the lasers, the key technology is 
really the ability to control the beam and keep it on the 
target, get it on the target and keep it on the target long 
enough to have the effect.
    Senator Mullin. Well, that is good for one-on-one, but the 
swarms that you are seeing, it is not effective, correct?
    Mr. Bush. So, Senator, to your point about, high-powered 
microwave has the potential to give you kind of an area weapon 
versus a precision weapon against drones. What we are learning 
there is it is kind of like how do you apply that tech in a 
safe way on a battlefield where other things are flying around, 
including our aircraft, and how do you target it using other 
systems like a radar, to make sure you are point it at the 
right place and it has the effect.
    I would say the high-powered microwave systems are showing 
promise. We have four prototypes now. We are learning from 
them. I think if they show enough promise they could be part of 
a layered approach that looks at both approaches, the lasers 
and microwaves.
    Senator Mullin. So you see them working together and 
deployed on the same battlefield?
    Mr. Bush. Potentially, sir. I think for fixed-site defense, 
for example, the high-powered microwave systems could make a 
lot of sense because they do not have to move around. But they 
give you a capability that individual laser systems do not.
    Senator Mullin. Thank you. My time is running out. Thank 
you so much.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Ernst.
    Senator Ernst. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, 
gentlemen, for being here today and for your testimony, and 
just making sure that our force of today is ready for the fight 
of tomorrow. So truly appreciate that.
    Mr. Bush, we had a really great conversation earlier in my 
office, and I would love to get that on the record today. This 
is important to me because, as you are aware, the focus of our 
conversation was the Iowa Army Ammunition Plant. Last year the 
Army announced plans to increase 155 artillery munitions 
production, and their focus was to be on the Iowa Army 
Ammunition Plant.
    During a recent SASC [Senate Armed Services Committee] 
hearing, Army Chief of Staff General George stressed the need 
to bolster our organic industrial base and push forward with 
the Army's investment in establishing the future artillery 
complex in Middletown, Iowa.
    Mr. Bush, may I have your assurance that this construction 
is still proceeding to meet the Army's targeted production of 
155 millimeter artillery rounds?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, Senator, I will.
    Senator Ernst. Thank you, and given the magnitude of this 
project, particularly as our allies are relying on us to lead 
and serve as the arsenal of democracy worldwide, the supply of 
munitions remains a crucial factor, especially when it comes to 
that 155. Can you commit to keeping me informed with any 
updates or issues through the modernization efforts at the Iowa 
Army Ammunition Plant?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, Senator, absolutely.
    Senator Ernst. Thank you very much. Mr. Bush, as you know, 
our supply chains are very much linked to all different defense 
acquisitions, and the vulnerabilities in the United States 
defense supply chains are particularly due to China's dominance 
in critical minerals and certain technologies.
    Can you provide us some of the insights into how the U.S. 
Army's acquisition processes are currently working to mitigate 
these challenges?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, Senator. So I think if I could start with 
critical minerals. The OSD, through funding provided by 
Congress for Defense Production Act investments has been making 
those targeted investments in having both mining and processing 
capacity for certain critical minerals in the United States, 
and that has been a huge initiative, and a very important one, 
strongly supported by Congress. I can get you more details on 
projects that have already been awarded, and now that we have 
2024 funding again, what they have planned to do. But we, of 
course, support all of that.
    With regard to the Army and our responsibility for 
conventional ammunition across DOD, we have the task from the 
fiscal year 2024 NDAA--to ensure that all of our supply chains 
for subcomponents, including baseline chemicals, by 2028, are 
completely either in the United States or with friendly 
countries, and we are on a path to do that. That will require 
some continued investment, but it is critical to avoid any 
dependence on potential enemies for production of ammunition.
    Senator Ernst. Well, I do appreciate that because as we 
look to the civilian sector, as well, most of that mining and 
refining happens outside of the United States. So the Hardrock 
Act, I believe, is what you were referencing, through the NDAA, 
but making sure that we have enough for our own national 
defense. So thank you for that.
    How does the U.S. Army assess the impact of these supply 
chain vulnerabilities on the timelines and operational 
readiness?
    Mr. Bush. So, Senator, the way we have mitigated in the 
past, and are doing now, in some cases, where downstream, for 
example, there might be an unfriendly country that provides us 
materials, we stockpile. So the goal of that stockpiling needed 
by time in an emergency or if that source became untenable to 
produce somewhere else or to get it from another ally. And we 
have done that across the board, which has allowed us, as part 
of this ramp-up, to stay on track.
    However, and Congress has provided the funds, especially in 
the last supplemental, we are now, just for 155, over $4 
billion of investments in America, frankly, in production 
capacity. Those kinds of investments--and we have also gotten 
them for precision weapons like Patriot and other things--are 
foundational for the future, not just this emergency.
    I think what we have learned from this ramp-up is the 
longest pole in the tent of increasing production is the big 
machine tools and some of the critical materials that are 
refined and take time. Those things you need stockpiled or you 
need additional capacity you can localize quickly, on hand, and 
not building it from scratch, which is what we are doing now.
    So if I had one lesson learned, ma'am, it would be that for 
the next time around we need to have more of that ready to go 
so we are not building new buildings. We are just activating 
cold sites.
    Senator Ernst. Absolutely. I think there are 18 minerals 
that are listed that we are supposed to, as the United States, 
have on stockpile for our national defense, and we have 
depleted those over decades. So glad to know that we are 
working on that. I would love to visit with you more at a 
future point about some of that. But I appreciate the time, and 
again, gentlemen, thank you very much for being here today.
    Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Blumenthal.
    Senator Blumenthal. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Secretary, 
I think it was about 3 months ago the Army announced the 
cancellation of the Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft 
(FARA), as it is known, following about 15 years of planning 
and investment, more than $1 billion in the X-2 technology, to 
replace the aging Apache and Kiowa helicopters. The Army said 
it was necessary for your service to be capable in the 21st 
century. For more than a decade, the industrial base relied on 
the commitment of FARA as a long-term program that enabled 
companies to recruit the most capable and technically invested 
workforce in the Nation, or at least one of them.
    So this decision has shaken the industrial base to its 
core. Hundreds of engineers are going to be without work. 
Probably they will be employed elsewhere, but the Army will not 
be able to get them back. My two questions are, number one, is 
the FARA decision irreversible? Second, what will be done to 
develop FARA's X-2 technology?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, from an acquisition and contracting 
perspective the existing OTA agreements that are actually 
tailing off but still under work right now with our two 
vendors, those will just end naturally later this year. So we 
would have to have a new contract award to continue with the 
program in some way.
    To your second question, right now the U.S. Army does not 
have a plan to invest in that particular technology for that 
capability. But I would say that that technology, in my view, 
if effective, could have a future in unmanned aircraft, for 
example, that might be something the Army would very much be 
interested in, depending on the way it was used.
    Senator Blumenthal. The decision on FARA followed the 
decision on FLRAA, which was questionable in my view, both as 
to the cost and the capability. The relevant companies decided 
not to challenge it. Obviously it is part of what we need to 
assess going forward in the National Defense Authorization Act.
    But what will the Army do to retain and support the 
workforce that will be displaced as a result of the FARA 
termination?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. So I think as part of the larger 
decision, and it was a difficult decision, on FARA--and I 
would, if I could, defer to General Rainey on the operational 
aspects of why that judgment call was made--from an industrial 
base standpoint the continuation of Black Hawk production was 
our primary focus to retain capacity and talent, as you 
mentioned, to just do rotorcraft well, not just build them but 
design them. Number one, sir.
    Number two is we are still, thanks to Congress, we are 
supporting providing the fiscal year 2024 funding for FARA, 
even though the program was ending, has allowed us to invest 
that in the teams. Between the two teams we have had them 
nominate good work to do with that workforce right now, that 
helps other Army agencies and programs, and we are embarking on 
that work.
    Senator Blumenthal. Can you assure us about the commitment 
to the Black Hawk program?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, we are 100 percent committed, as the 
Secretary said, to that follow-on multiyear of a better Black 
Hawk than we have now. So that research work will go into that 
new, better Black Hawk, that will go into production in that 
multiyear.
    Senator Blumenthal. You will need the engineers displaced 
from the FARA program for that work on the Black Hawk program. 
Is that what you are saying?
    Mr. Bush. Sir, some of that would be up to the contractor, 
of course, but we need the talent to be able to make a better 
Black Hawk, yes, because if we are going to go into production 
for 120 more aircraft we want it to be the best possible one.
    Senator Blumenthal. But it will not be 400.
    Mr. Bush. Sir, there will potentially be workforce impacts. 
Yes, sir.
    Senator Blumenthal. So it might be near that number.
    Mr. Bush. Sir, I have heard numbers in that range.
    Senator Blumenthal. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Peters.
    Senator Peters. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, 
gentlemen, for being here today and for your service to our 
country. We appreciate you.
    Secretary Bush and General Rainey, the Infantry Squad 
Vehicle is a proven platform that clearly demonstrates how 
leveraging the existing commercial products, which we talked 
about just before the hearing here, General, leads to both 
schedule procurement and cost efficiencies. The Army has 
recognized the ISV's value by including $44 million in 
procurement funding on the unfunded priority list to supplement 
the President's $34 million request.
    So my question for both of you is given the request for an 
additional $44 million for the Infantry Squad Vehicle. Can 
Congress conclude that the Army needs to field the ISV more 
rapidly than originally planned, and how does this acceleration 
of the platform help the Army achieve its latest force design 
initiatives?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, if I could start on the kind of budget 
part and let General Rainey, if I could, let him talk about 
operations.
    Senator Peters. That would be great.
    Mr. Bush. From a budget standpoint, yes sir, it is proving 
to be a very good vehicle. We are investing in it. I would also 
add that the recently passed supplemental, I expect some of 
that funding to end up buying ISVs because we are sending 
Ukraine older things. That is one of our best, newest 
platforms, and we will use some of that supplemental funding to 
buy vehicles sooner than even the 2025 budget being approved.
    Senator Peters. Good. General?
    General Rainey. Senator, the feedback is we have started 
fielding the ISV from our operating forces. Not in touch points 
but actually fielding it to our brigade combat teams, has been 
overwhelmingly positive. The 2d Brigade of the 101st, because 
of the way they are coming in, instead of peanut butter, 
slicing them all over the Army, we are massing them on one of 
our brigades, and that brigade is experimenting with the 
motorized infantry brigade combat team. Based on what we have 
learned from Ukraine and now the technology, it is finally to 
the point where we can bring a system like the ISV to bear.
    How many we buy and as fast as we buy I would defer to Mr. 
Bush. But as an infantryman and as a transformation guy, I 
would like to see them fielded to as many of our infantry 
brigade combat teams as we can, as fast as we can.
    Tactical mobility is something that has eluded the light 
infantry force for a long time, and this is a great capability.
    Senator Peters. Great. Great. Thank you for your 
assessment.
    General Gingrich, the fiscal year 2025 budget request for 
the Stryker family of vehicles, comprising 8 Stryker brigade 
combat teams, proposes a reduction of $210 million for fiscal 
year 2024, enacted level, limiting procurement to basically 51 
vehicles. This many hinder the Army's plan to modernize the 
half brigade each year, which would impact training and 
fielding schedules of these units.
    So my question for you, General, this substantial reduction 
in funding for the Stryker combat vehicles impacts a 
significant portion of the Army's deployed inventory. What is 
the rationale behind decreasing the budget for these vehicles, 
and how does this reduction align with the Army's overall 
modernization goals?
    Lieutenant General Gingrich. Thank you, Senator, for that, 
and you are absolutely right. Fifty-one Strykers is in the 
fiscal year 2025 request.
    I think I would best characterize this as one of the hard 
decisions that we had to make. Based off the priorities that 
were established by the Secretary and the Chief, the resources 
that are allocated, we had to carefully balance sort of today's 
risk in an enduring platform like the Stryker with some of our 
more modern programs that are under development but will bring 
game-changing technology.
    So I would call this one of high regret that we had to do, 
but we thought through the risk and thought this was an 
appropriate place for now. We are not walking away from the 
Stryker, just buying a little time and space so that we can 
address other priorities, sir.
    Senator Peters. So what do you see as the future?
    Lieutenant General Gingrich. I see the Stryker in Army 
formations for quite some time. It is a very versatile vehicle, 
not only as an infantry troop transport but also some of the 
other technologies that we are bringing in, that it could be 
the base platform. So I think the Stryker will be in our 
inventory for a long time, Senator.
    Senator Peters. Great. Thank you, General. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Duckworth.
    Senator Duckworth. Good timing, huh? Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman and Ranking Member. I appreciate having this hearing 
today.
    The Organic Industrial Base, or OIB, is the backbone of the 
Army sustainment capabilities. The Army's industrial base 
comprises 23 depots, arsenals, ammunition plants that 
manufacture to maintain critical materiel support for the 
warfighters across the Joint Force. These highly technical 
facilities and skilled workforce help to generate readiness and 
operational capability throughout the Army.
    Illinois has had the privilege of being home to Rock Island 
Arsenal, which has supported this Nation since 1862--we are 
very proud of it--and continues to play an essential role in 
our national security, contributing to the Army's efforts to 
accelerate 155 shell production, for example.
    As the Army executes its 15-year modernization 
implementation plan it must continue to use and partner with 
the 14 DOD Advanced Manufacturing Institutes across the 
country, including institutes like MxD, located in Chicago, 
which will help enable the use of advanced technologies in 
other continuous improvements across the Army's OIB.
    Assistant Secretary Bush, you know I have been talking 
about Rock Island since our time together on the House Armed 
Services Committee. Maintaining global leadership in advanced 
manufacturing is vital for ensuring the strength of our OIB. 
How can the Army strengthen its relationship with DOD's 
Advanced Manufacturing Institutes, such as MxD, and our 
additional resources needed to do so?
    Mr. Bush. Thanks, Senator. I think Congress has shown 
leadership in pushing all the services and the Army to look 
more real terms at advanced manufacturing, and as you know, 
Rock Island is our center of excellence for that. It is where 
we have the most 3D printing machines. We have one of the 
biggest in the world there, that Congress was able to provide 
us.
    There is good work going on to do the hard work of figuring 
out which parts we can make with those machines and then also 
make those things even more forward in the field. So the idea 
of being able to print parts, so to speak, forward is the idea.
    I think we need to continue to stay at it. We are also, 
though, counting on industry, because they are also moving, if 
you go to any modern factory they are starting to use these 
techniques, as well, to work with them to get this done.
    So I think it is a question of just staying at it, staying 
up with industry, and, though, having Government expertise like 
we have at Rock Island, so we know what we are looking at. 
Otherwise you can be told all sorts of things but not know what 
is real, and the folks of Rock Island know.
    Senator Duckworth. So in addition to that, Secretary Bush 
and General Gingrich, a challenge that will hinder 
modernization of our OIB is the mix of legacy and modern 
equipment--you touched on that just a little bit--and a lack of 
data connectivity with systems. How does this impact our 
production capabilities for critical materials, which is those 
155 rounds, and what recommendations do you have to strengthen 
the Army's OIB?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, if I could start and let General 
Gingrich help, I think on the ammunition part of the organic 
industrial base, the investments we have been able to make, 
thanks to support from Congress, both before the Ukraine 
conflict and since it started, are going to leave us with a 
generational improvement in the ammunition part of the organic 
industrial base. I would not say that about the rest. If I have 
a concern it is about our other depots and our ability to keep 
them modern, good places to work, and busy, given the resources 
we have, so that if there is a major mobilization for a large-
scale conflict those depots, which are an insurance policy, can 
meet the need. I do worry about that.
    I think we have provided Members with a list of ideas for 
potential adds for all the depots, not just the ammo ones. That 
could certainly help. Also just continuing to work with us to 
make sure we know when we are doing something we should not be 
doing at those depots, meaning we are not investing the right 
way. That input from members is vital to know, so we get on the 
right track.
    Senator Duckworth. General?
    Lieutenant General Gingrich. Senator, I would offer a 
couple of things. I think the balancing between legacy and 
modernization, as you lay out. I would say it is actually 
balancing between enduring and modernization, because frankly, 
we have walked away from a lot of legacy systems that are no 
longer relevant on the battlefield. I think 155 falls into that 
enduring capability for the foreseeable future.
    I think that is what the two gentlemen to my right, along 
with myself, try to balance, is that balance between enduring 
and modernization, and try to get that balance just right, to 
acceptable risk levels.
    The second thing I would say is we have invested quite 
heavily, through our base budget, and with your support, as 
well as supplemental appropriations that you have provided, we 
have invested in our organic industrial base, especially the 
ammunition.
    We are going to, frankly, my last point, is we are going to 
need your support in the foreseeable future. As we build this 
capacity and we struggle with budgets, we may look for 
congressional help to maximize that capacity that we are 
building.
    Senator Duckworth. Okay. Thank you.
    Looking to the Indo-Pacific, that region is going to 
require the ability to rapidly deploy military forces, 
equipment, and supplies to the region, both within CONUS 
[Continental United States] and OCONUS [Outside Continental 
United States]. As the Army Service Component Command to 
TRANSCOM [United States Transportation Command], the military 
service deployment distribution command, SDDC, plays a vital 
role in the efficient flow of resources delivering readiness 
and lethality at speed across surface distribution network 
nodes.
    Assistant Secretary Bush, General Rainey, and General 
Gingrich, a toss-up ball. Concerning SDDC's role as the global 
intermodal surface connection and its mission to seamlessly 
link the joint deployment and the distribution enterprise with 
Army Materiel Command's materiel enterprise, what specific 
efforts is the Army undertaking to prioritize and modernize 
SDDC's capabilities? Because again, we are going to have to 
push all this stuff out there, and if they are not modernized 
efficiently we are not going to be able to meet the need.
    General Rainey. Thank you, Senator. You obviously have a 
deep understanding of this complicated challenge, and I would 
add that there is a good chance, depending on who we fight, 
that it will be contested----
    Senator Duckworth. Yes----
    General Rainey.--inside the United States. We are not going 
to get a free pass until we show up in the South Pacific. So 
everything the Army is working on in terms of contested 
logistics is holistic, so SDDC is as important as the 
watercraft unit that is going to cross the beach in INDOPACOM. 
I think we do have a holistic. We are doing several things, 
tabletop exercises, bringing the enterprise together. Army 
Futures Command is hosting a contested logistics event June 
12th down in Austin, and SDDC has been invited, and we will 
make sure they are represented there. So we have to transform 
together.
    It all comes down to the challenge of we have to be able to 
position supplies, not the old iron mountains, but we have to 
distribute resources, ammunition, throughout the South Pacific. 
The limitation on that is the ability to protect it, so things 
like high powered microwave, IFPC [Indirect Fire Protection 
Capability], offensively.
    So it is a very, very complicated problem. We are working 
very hard on our watercraft strategy, autonomous and robotic 
supply, working with the Joint Force, because as you know this 
is not an Army--we do title 10 for the Joint Force, but 
TRANSCOM, the whole enterprise is going to be involved in this.
    I feel like it is a very hard problem that we have a pretty 
solid understanding of the complexity of, and we have a whole 
lot of work to do to make sure that General Flynn and Admiral 
Paparo get the resources they need in a very, very tough 
environment to do logistics.
    Senator Duckworth. On tabletop exercises, is that going to 
include some of our friends and allies, as well? Because we are 
not going to be able to do this on our own.
    General Rainey. In the INDOPACOM ones they do. Yes, 
Senator. Not currently. The one in Austin that I referred to is 
focused on linking up joint teammates, Army teammates, and the 
best industry partners we have in Contested Logistics, because 
in a lot of areas the private sector is ahead of autonomous 
watercraft, for example, the offshore oil industry is ahead of 
where the Army is. So we are trying to make those connections. 
But I will take that in mind for the next iteration.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you.
    Mr. Bush. Senator, if I could just add, I just want to 
thank the folks who work there. They work some miracles 
supporting Ukraine and Israel. America has many superpowers, 
but Logistics is one of them, and you have to have people who 
know how to do that, and we do it better than anyone in the 
world. I have been stunned by how quickly we can do things when 
we have the resources.
    Senator Duckworth. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you. We will go to a second round of 
questions here.
    I got to see firsthand part of a logistics training, I 
guess, essentially, to the border between Poland and Ukraine. 
There were some things that stood out. One was, Secretary Bush, 
you mentioned the 3D printing. We sent them a couple of 
printers, I think they are using in Ukraine now to print some 
parts. The other thing that stood out to me was the 
telemaintenance, kind of like telehealth but we are doing 
telemaintenance.
    General, you mentioned as part of the cross-functional team 
I think you mentioned regenerative power and advanced power. I 
would like you to comment a little bit on that. Obviously, to 
folks that follow this it is pretty obvious that one of the 
most challenging things for an Army to do is to move fuel 
forward. That long logistic train to get fuel forward where it 
is needed is complicated. So I am interested in hearing a 
little bit about the regenerative and advanced power stuff that 
you had just mentioned in your opening statement.
    General Rainey. Thank you, Chairman. So fuel and ammo are 
the two things that are the most important thing in taking care 
of our casualties coming back, so those three pieces are just 
non-negotiable, essential things if you are going to have a 
good military. So that is why we chose those. In fuel, 
specifically, the biggest opportunity in the near term is to 
not move fuel that we do not have to, which sounds like a ``no 
kidding,'' right? But our current systems, our tanks and 
Bradleys, are dependent on verbal and digital reports of how 
much fuel they have.
    If you think about any car in America has the ability to 
tell you all kinds of stuff with sensors. So the near-term 
opportunity is to put systems that generate those data base 
reportings off of our vehicles so that our great sustainers are 
moving only the absolute amount of fuel they need, which takes 
unnecessary convoys off the roads. So that would be the example 
of demand reduction.
    Then our science and technology, we have numerous ongoing 
efforts to come up with alternatives to batteries, lower the 
weight, longer shelf life, light, solar. We just put an 
incredible new weapon into our light infantry formations, but 
it is 3 pounds heavier. So that means 4 pounds have to come off 
the back of that soldier, and the biggest opportunity to do 
that is make them not carry 3 days' worth of radios. How do we 
turn that into one radio? That is primarily in the research and 
development, S&T space, but will rapidly turn into a 
requirement document from that CFT, move over to Honorable 
Bush's professionals to acquire it then.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you. Secretary Bush, we obviously 
learned a lot here from ground operations that the Ukrainians 
are conducting against the Russians. But this is at a time when 
we are trying to rebuild our force for conflict in the Western 
Pacific, which, by the way, I do not think it is not 
inevitable, and we want to avoid it, and in my view the best 
way to avoid it is to make sure that we have a force that no 
adversary feels they can beat. But we have a lot of lessons 
learned from Ukraine.
    Is there anything that stands out that we will apply to 
INDOPACOM, that we have learned in Ukraine, that might be 
applicable in one way or the other, or maybe not, to conflict 
in the Western Pacific?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, if I could start and then have General 
Rainey chime in, if that is okay. I would point to two. When 
this Army modernization wave started, two of the initial 
focuses were long range fires and air defense. Those two 
capabilities are proving absolutely critical in Ukraine. So air 
defense is not just tactical but a strategic level difference 
whether you can do it or not, to protect your facilities and 
your people. So we are seeing the need for advanced air defense 
systems in Ukraine, which I believe underscores very good 
decisions made before I arrived, to focus on that in the early 
kind of first wave of the Army's current modernization efforts. 
That is number one.
    With regard to long range fires, I think it is the same. We 
have seen in Ukraine mass precision at range has fundamentally 
altered the battlefield for both sides. The Army's investments 
there also apply to the Pacific. Again, that is where our 
procurement dollars are now. They are in air defense and long 
range fires, in terms of this wave of modernization. It was 
very thoughtful of the people who realized that those things 
needed to be first, and I think Ukraine is showing they were 
right.
    But General Rainey can offer much more.
    General Rainey. Thank you, Chairman. Obviously I am very 
proud of the Army. We have actually had people collecting 
observations and lessons learned around Ukraine before the 
Russians invaded, our partners in TRADOC, and we take that very 
seriously.
    One of the most interesting things, I think, is what is not 
changing. So while we are a joint force--that is the only way 
we fight--but the fact that war is still a contest between 
humans and the resolve of the Ukrainian people, the importance 
of leadership, that tells me that preserving our people, so 
maintaining an All-Volunteer Force is as important to the 
future of war as some of the technological solutions.
    While, again, joint, there are fascinating things happening 
in space. There are fascinating things happening in the cyber 
domain. But the land domain remains absolutely relevant, you 
know, the tough fighting.
    The third one is while the technological stuff is 
disruptive and fascinating--so Industrial Age warfare did not 
stop and then we start this high tech warfare. So HE 155 is 
still the indisputable, number one killer of both Ukrainians 
and Russians on the battlefield.
    But to answer your specific question, the ubiquitous 
sensing, the thing that is the most alarming is that on the 
future battlefield the absolute saturation of sensors is making 
it almost impossible to hide, and a lot of our tactics and 
doctrine are based on maneuvering and hiding. When you couple 
that with a good enemy that has precision-guided munitions, so 
now you are confronted with the problem of pretty much 
guaranteed you are going to be observed by an enemy that can 
hit you. In China, they have a magazine depth advantage that 
even if you defend yourself you are eventually going to run out 
of munitions.
    So that is the absolute problem that we are facing in 
INDOPACOM or Russia or anywhere else that we fight, and that is 
what we are working very hard on, Mr. Bush covered. It is a 
combination of defensive and offensive fires. We have 
absolutely got to get better at defending ourselves, counter-
UAS, but the United States Army is best when it is not playing 
defense at the point of need. So we need to protect our tanks 
and especially our light infantry formations. But what we are 
best at is sensing where the ground control stations are, 
sensing where their EWs [electronic warfare] are emitting from, 
and then employing ruthless Army offensive fires, joint fires, 
to destroy them as opposed to waiting until it is on top of you 
to try and defend yourself.
    Senator Kelly. I want to come back to the long range fire 
question, but for now I want to turn it over to Senator Cotton.
    Senator Cotton. Mr. Bush, I am glad to see that the budget 
requests 230 Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM) Increment 1, the 
surface variant, but last year's NDAA directed the Army to 
submit a plan to procure 400 PrSM per year. Budget documents 
show that PrSM Increment 1 procurement peaks in fiscal year 
2027 at only 296. What are the Army's options to increase PrSM 
Increment 1 procurement over the future years' defense plan?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, in the near term it will be the 
supplemental replenishment funding. So as you know, we provided 
ATACMS [Army Tactical Cruise Missile System] missiles. The 
replacement is going to be PrSM Increment 1's. So that will 
give us a pool of funding to aggressively maximize that 
production rate in the near term.
    In the long term, sir, it is going to require our 
investment across the FYDP [Future Years Defense Program] to 
prioritize that system. But I can tell you it is a very high 
priority for the Secretary and Chief to get that much improved 
capability at scale as fast as we can.
    Senator Cotton. This investment across the FYDP sounds like 
more money. How much more money are we talking about?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, the goal is to maximize that production 
capacity. I could get back to you with a hypothetical delta 
between what you see across the out years and then what we 
believe the maximum you could put in those years would be. This 
is the kind of thing we are doing right now as you build a 2026 
budget. But I would be happy to show you the math and what it 
looks like, based on what we know now.
    Senator Cotton. Please do. That would be helpful. I am also 
concerned about PrSM Increment 2, the land-based anti-ship 
variant. Can you explain the delay in procurement in the 
budget's request of only 10 Increment 2 missiles?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, one thing to keep in mind with Increment 
2 is that it is a fundamentally new missile in that the seeker 
is entirely different, which changes the design of the front 
end of the missile. So while we call it an increment, it is a 
substantially different weapon.
    The reason for the timeline it is on is we have needed the 
science and technology work on the seeker to prove out of the 
labs. It has. What you see now is our first steps to actually 
getting to production, and we just have to get through testing, 
sir, to make sure it works.
    I agree. Having more of those as part of a family of PrSM 
systems we can shoot out of HIMARS [High Mobility Rocket 
System], especially in INDOPACOM, would be a very good thing, 
to put lots of Chinese ships at risk.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you.
    Senator Kelly. Just a couple of more questions. As you were 
talking about artillery, it occurs to me that just like air-to-
air missile systems, the length of the stick is critical. I 
mean, who has the bigger stick in the fight? You know, we think 
about that a lot in air-to-air combat, and certainly the same 
is true with artillery. I think some of the Russian artillery 
outrages our 155 millimeter.
    We had the 70-kilometer extended range cannon in 
development. That program recently ended.
    General Rainey, the Army has referenced a Tactical Fires 
Study as informing the decisions related to long range fires. 
How has that study informed and validated the Army's decision, 
and to the extent that you can talk here in an open setting, 
what is the plan beyond, you know, where do we go from here, 
essentially on longer range artillery?
    I was at Project Convergence a couple of years ago and I 
saw what I think was about a 40-kilometer shot, which was 
pretty impressive. It hit the vehicle dead on. But I want to 
find out what are we thinking here, going forward.
    General Rainey. Thank you, Chairman. The Tactical Fires 
Study, unlike a lot of studies that are directed, that was 
actually an internal Army thing that I started as the AFC 
Commander. Mainly because the success of our long range fires 
efforts, which are in really good shape and one of the 
highlights of our modernization, started with a detailed 
analytic effort, and I thought it just made sense to do that 
same thing on the tactical side. Plus the absolutely 
observations coming out of Ukraine. So it was a prudent effort.
    Any lack of communication is entirely my responsibility. So 
we have sent people over, and I am available, at a secret 
level, to go into whatever level of detail would be necessary.
    But at this level your point about the range is 
fascinating. First of all, the requirement for extended range 
artillery remains valid. The prototyping effort that we went 
through was incredibly informative, and we learned a lot from 
it.
    One of the most interesting things is just by focusing on 
the round itself we got over halfway from 30 to 70, and I can 
share that range. It has been a long time since we have updated 
things like propellant and energetics. Industry is very good at 
it. At the same time, big, heavy, armored Paladins are costly. 
We have a lot of great systems now.
    One of the big findings is let's innovate at the round. 
Let's work with industry and see what kind of range we can get 
without having to redo the barrels, which makes you redo the 
turret, which makes the platform.
    Another one is we need to continue to upgrade our armored 
Paladins that we have, both their auto-loaders, ammo carriers. 
Some of our partners and allies have some phenomenal armored 
artillery systems, and we have a plan that Mr. Bush could 
explain about how we are going to invest in that.
    Mobile Howitzer, our NATO [North Atlantic Treaty 
Organization] allies and watching the battlefield in Europe, 
there are some very good wheeled Howitzers that are having 
great effect in a place like Europe where the road systems are 
pretty mature, for example.
    There is also autonomous. Another one of our partners has a 
very capable autonomous and robotic cannon that I would like to 
look at. So we are going to invest in that.
    Our mortar systems, we have had the same three mortar 
systems the entire time I have been an infantry officer, and we 
are having great success with one of them, and we are going to 
expand that extended range and lethality efforts to the other 
one.
    Then the biggest thing probably with our tactical fires is 
capability is nice, but unlike precision munitions where it is 
sinking a handful of ships or closing a piece of ground, the 
most important thing in tactical fires is not just capability 
but it is capacity, the capability and capacity. So range and 
the ability to concentrate. No rounds are cheap, and every 
dollar matters, but traditional HE 155, if you can put 50 of 
those on a formation as opposed to paying hundreds of thousands 
of dollars to kill one tank at a time, so capability and 
capacity. The sum of those efforts is what we are doing to 
innovate in the tactical fires space.
    I would love a chance to come back and lay out the physics 
and ranges and things like that.
    Senator Kelly. I will take you up on that.
    Senator Cotton, anything else?
    Well, thank you, all three of you, for being here. Was 
there anything that you expected to hear from us that we maybe 
did not ask that you think should be mentioned here in this 
open hearing? Secretary Bush?
    Mr. Bush. Well, Senator, you alluded to it. I just would 
want to say that the Chief's unfunded priority list has some 
counter-UAS and UAS on there that I would highly recommend to 
members. In a classified setting I think we could tell you a 
story about CENTCOM counter-UAS that is actually a pretty good 
news story. The Army, very quietly, did the diligent work for 
years, because we have been under attack by various people in 
the Middle East, that is protecting our troops right now, with 
Congress' support. So the Army, I believe, has the most capable 
counter-UAS systems available. With more resources we could go 
even faster.
    So, sir, I would be happy to, if of interest, give Members 
options on what those things might be, starting with the 
Chief's list.
    Senator Kelly. Okay. We will set that up, and I am going to 
submit some other questions for the record on electronic 
warfare, CJADC-2, and some air missile defense questions.
    With that the hearing is concluded.
    [Whereupon, at 5:25 p.m., the Subcommittee adjourned.]

    [Questions for the record with answers supplied follow:]

               Questions Submitted by Senator Mark Kelly
                           electronic warfare
    1. Senator Kelly. General Rainey, reporting from credible observers 
of the conflict in Ukraine suggest that Russian electronic warfare 
systems are fielded at scale across the frontline and that tactics in 
this area change at least every 6 weeks. While the Army has significant 
expertise in electronic warfare, does it have sufficient capacity in 
personnel and equipment across its electronic warfare enterprise?
    General Rainey. The Army must continue to increase investments in 
electronic warfare (EW) personnel, equipment, and training to ensure 
readiness and more quickly adapt to current and future threats. Based 
on observations from Ukraine and internal studies and exercises, the 
Army understands that our EW capabilities need to be agile, tailorable 
by theater and formation, and reprogrammable at the tactical edge. The 
Army is expanding the delivery of modernized EW capabilities across 
multiple theaters and moving to an adaptive, software-defined approach, 
in which electronic warfare capabilities are dynamic and can be quickly 
modified for different platforms, threats, and effects. Regarding EW 
personnel, the Army continues sturdy growth across the enterprise, 
while working to grow our capacity of senior commissioned officers and 
to retain highly trained EW warrant officers. Additionally, the Army's 
newly formed EW platoons will train with highly capable commercial EW 
solutions, improving technical proficiency at home station while 
generating feedback on future system designs and functionality.

    2. Senator Kelly. General Rainey, are Army systems and supporting 
infrastructure sufficiently agile to adapt in real time to a contested 
electromagnetic environment?
    General Rainey. The Army understands the need for systems and 
infrastructure to be agile and adaptive in real time to operate in a 
contested electromagnetic environment and is actively investing in and 
developing those capabilities. Current systems and supporting 
infrastructure provide some agility, but face constraints that the Army 
is addressing through new start program requirements. The Army is 
focusing on Soldiers' ability to communicate and pass data in contested 
environments with the development of electromagnetic protection 
capabilities, as well as integrating EW capabilities into decoy and 
obfuscation systems, counter-UAS, and other systems to protect our 
Soldiers. The Army has demonstrated success through its Air Vigilance 
program in the USCENTCOM theater to adapt to quickly changing contested 
environments and adversary tactics. Additional details are available 
via higher classification.

    3. Senator Kelly. General Rainey, based on what we are seeing of 
the Russian's electronic warfare systems capabilities in Ukraine, how 
would our electronic warfare capabilities perform against Russia?
    General Rainey. The Army has leveraged EW capabilities originally 
designed for use in a counter-insurgency fight to meet the emerging EW 
threat in Europe. Additional details on both can be provided at higher 
classification. As a result, in fiscal year 2025, the Army is making 
investments in EW capabilities to provide a competitive advantage in 
Large Scale Combat Operation (LSCO) and multidomain operations. There 
are also several on-going initiatives and opportunities for 
acceleration under the Transform in Contact concept to bring mature 
industry solutions into formations for employment and experimentation. 
These will require a deliberate, coordinated resource strategy led by 
the newly established Army EW Board of Directors, and clearly 
communicated with Congress.
                   integrated air and missile defense
    4. Senator Kelly. General Rainey, one of the critical capabilities 
that the Army would bring to the joint force in any conflict in the 
Pacific is integrated air and missile defense. Novel technologies such 
as the Multi-Domain Artillery Cannon promise to provide high-volume and 
low cost-per-shot options to commanders, while efforts to network 
existing sensors and shooters enhances the efficiency and resilience of 
the current force. As the Air Force implements novel concepts such as 
Agile Combat Employment, how is the Army working with the Joint Force 
to provide appropriately scaled air defense options for larger numbers 
of dispersed operating locations?
    General Rainey. In addition to the Multi-Domain Artillery Cannon 
System, the Army is also prototyping High-Energy Laser (HEL) and High-
Power Microwave (HPM) systems. These systems potentially reduce cost-
per-shot, preserve exquisite interceptors for hard targets, and 
simplify and/or reduce logistics by eliminating expendable munitions--
all qualities that would be especially useful in defending dispersed 
operating locations. Through the Army's IAMD Battle Command System (or 
IBCS), the Army is networking existing sensors and shooters to provide 
the appropriate capabilities to Joint and Army Commanders in a more 
flexible manner while potentially reducing the required AMD footprint. 
Additionally, the Army is growing its Air Defense capacity, including 
additional Patriot, IFPC, SHORAD, and Counter-small Unmanned Aircraft 
System (C-sUAS) units to better protect critical assets and forces 
across dispersed locations. The Army continues to work with the 
Services to develop a wide range of systems to defeat the growing 
threat of sUAS, both in dedicated Air Defense capabilities and with 
capabilities that can be operated by non-Air Defense units.
                modernizing command and control (jadc2)
    5. Senator Kelly. General Rainey, the Combined Joint All Domain 
Command and Control, or CJADC2, initiative is a critical capability for 
the joint force of the future. Real and continuous improvement is 
essential. The Army has recently completed its Project Convergence 
Capstone 4 exercises and experimentation. What are your primary take-
aways from this year's efforts?
    General Rainey. In Project Convergence Capstone 4 (PCC4) which the 
Army hosted in the 2d quarter of fiscal year 2024, we achieved 56 
experimental ``firsts'' across the Joint and combined force, employed 
99 technologies in support of integrated fires and expanded maneuver, 
and collaborated with OSD Global Information Dominance Experiment's 
(GIDE) capabilities for CJADC2.
    PCC4 was able to integrate technologies and networks to deliver 
operational synchronization, accelerate sensor to shooter, and empower 
commanders in their decisions directly enabling the CJADC2 concept.

      Multi-National Collaboration: The PCC4 environment 
demonstrated increased integration with Joint and Multinational 
Partners employing a collaborative teaming approach to data management 
and sharing. The U.K., Australia, Canada, New Zealand, France, and 
Japan participated and contributed to advancing multi-national 
collaboration regarding core services and Command and Control.

      Enhanced Multi-Domain Effects: PCC4 combined Special 
Operations, conventional forces, Joint, and Multinational systems to 
accomplish a functional CJTF and provide Multi-Domain Effects.

      Data-Centric Technologies: PCC4 saw an increased use of 
data-centric technologies with the integration of external data from 
Army Data Platforms and commercial sources, enhancing tactically 
produced data to support Combined Joint All Domain Situational 
Awareness (CJADSA), CJADC2, and data-driven decisionmaking.

      PCC4 partnered with the Chief Digital and Artificial 
Intelligence Office (CDAO) Global Information Dominance Experiment 
(GIDE) series which enabled Multi-Domain Battle Management Command and 
Control (BMC2) at Echelons 1--3 (Strategic to Tactical) inclusive of 
Maritime, Air, and Land components. Our integration with GIDE continues 
as are already underway with planning the next iterations of the 
Project Convergence Capstone experiment.

    6. Senator Kelly. General Rainey, how will this improve not only 
the speed of operational decisions but also increase the range of 
options for threat engagement?
    General Rainey. At Project Convergence Capstone 4, we successfully 
demonstrated improved fires distribution methods for our Combined and 
Joint partners, both in terms of decision speed and engagement options. 
By utilizing automated fires distribution technologies, 5th Gen 
Fighters could detect target data and send it to the Combined Joint 
Task Force Commander, seamlessly sending a call-for-fire cross-service 
and to our multinational partners. We took what was typically a lengthy 
decision process that required humans in the loop, automated it, and 
reduced the process time by 85 percent, getting us closer to the 
decision speeds that we require. Project Convergence will continue to 
refine such capabilities and other options for threat engagement in 
collaboration with our Joint and multinational partners.

    7. Senator Kelly. General Rainey, why is developing these 
capabilities so critical?
    General Rainey. Project Convergence scenarios, technology and 
experimentation are designed to advance our Nation's ability deter 
aggression and prevail in conflict, if necessary. The experimentation 
will accelerate our ability to achieve a more resilient Joint Force and 
defense ecosystem. Project Convergence is nested with the National 
Defense Strategy (NDS) Defense Priorities and the CJADC2 strategy. 
Through experimenting, we serve to empower Joint Force Commanders with 
the capabilities they will need across all warfighting domains, across 
echelons, and with our combined and multinational partners to deter or 
defeat any adversary at any time and in any place around the globe.
                               __________
               Questions Submitted by Senator Tom Cotton
                                  itep
    8. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, is it correct that the original 
ITEP program of record was established prior to FARA and was set forth 
to modernize the AH-64 Apache and UH-60 Black Hawk?
    Secretary Bush. Yes. The Improved Turbine Engine Program of Record 
was established at Milestone B in 2019 and only accounts for 
qualification and integration onto the Apache and Black Hawk programs. 
Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) integration was not 
included in the program of record. Though the Army has decided to end 
FARA prototyping efforts after fiscal year 2024, we will still leverage 
lessons learned from the integration activities of the Improved Turbine 
Engine into the FARA prototypes and the testing that is planned to 
occur this year for the Black Hawk platform.

    9. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what are the validated 
requirements for the T901 under ITEP?
    Secretary Bush. The Joint Requirements Oversight Council (JROC) 
validated the ITEP Capability Development Document (CDD) on 26 October 
2017, and the Army Requirements Oversight Council (AROC) validation of 
the ITEP Capability Development Document (CDD) on 23 April 2018. Some 
of, but not limited to, the Key Performance Parameters (KPPs) and Key 
System Attributes (KSAs) extracted from the ITEP CDD include the 
aircraft must perform worldwide in an array of environments, 
improvement of logistics supportability and significant increase in 
aircraft range, payload, speed, and endurance.''

    10. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the current assessed 
test performance of the T901 against these requirements?
    Secretary Bush. Testing is ongoing; however, initial results 
indicate the T901 design meets all performance threshold requirements 
for power, fuel efficiency, survivability, sustainment, cybersecurity, 
and training defined in the validated Capability Development Document.

    11. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, of the total government funding 
projected to be required for T901 EMD, what percentage has already been 
expended?
    Secretary Bush. The current estimate at complete is $781 million on 
the T901 Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) contract. To 
date, the Army has expended $611 million (78 percent) on the T901 EMD 
contract. The Army is assessing resources and timelines associated with 
an EMD extension given resource adjustments in the fiscal year 2025 
budget request.

    12. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the estimated 
government funding required to complete EMD?
    Secretary Bush. The Army is currently assessing resources and 
timelines associated with Engineering and Manufacturing Development 
(EMD) phase due to resource adjustments in the fiscal year 2025 budget 
request and the decision to delay production.

    13. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the projected impact to 
Milestone C and full rate production from a partial or full reduction 
in funding in fiscal year 2025?
    Secretary Bush. The fiscal year 2025 budget request removed of all 
procurement funding and the reduction of the fiscal year 2025 Research, 
Development, Test, and Evaluation funding for ITEP by approximately 
$104 million has resulted in a projected shift in Milestone C from 
fiscal year 2026 to beyond the Future Years Defense Program (FYDP); 
however, the Army is evaluating options to possibly pull the Milestone 
C to an earlier date.

    14. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the projected 
disruption to the supply chain through a delay to the production 
schedule?
    Secretary Bush. A delay in the production schedule has the 
potential to disrupt the industrial base through the loss of suppliers, 
skilled labor, and qualified production processes. The Army is working 
with our industry partners to mitigate risk as much as possible as the 
effort continues in additional development.

    15. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the Department's plan 
to ensure the T901 supply chain remains strong?
    Secretary Bush. In coordination with our industry partners, the 
Army has taken several mitigation steps to ensure the T901 supply chain 
remains strong. The joint team has conducted activities such as 
revising engine production rates during Engineering and Manufacturing 
Development (EMD) to enable continuous manufacturing, conducting a 
comprehensive risk assessment to determine at-risk suppliers and 
develop get-well action plans, and developing courses of action to 
leverage long lead item contract actions to support further engine 
development.

    16. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, are there any alternative 
engines that can provide the same modernization benefits to the Apache 
and Black Hawk for that amount of investment?
    Secretary Bush. The Army awarded the Engineering and Manufacturing 
Development (EMD) contract in 2019, following down-select from two 
Technology Maturation and Risk Reduction-phase vendors, originally 
selected through full and open competition. No existing engines provide 
the same modernization benefits for the amount invested as no other 
alternatives achieve power, fuel efficiency, and weight requirements 
and can integrate within Black Hawk and Apache platforms without 
additional significant engineering costs.

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