[Senate Hearing 118-725]
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                                                        S. Hrg. 118-725

                     SPECTRUM AND NATIONAL SECURITY

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                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION
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                             MARCH 21, 2024
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       SENATE COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

                   MARIA CANTWELL, Washington, Chair
AMY KLOBUCHAR, Minnesota             TED CRUZ, Texas, Ranking
BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii                 JOHN THUNE, South Dakota
EDWARD MARKEY, Massachusetts         ROGER WICKER, Mississippi
GARY PETERS, Michigan                DEB FISCHER, Nebraska
TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin             JERRY MORAN, Kansas
TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois            DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
JON TESTER, Montana                  MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee
KYRSTEN SINEMA, Arizona              TODD YOUNG, Indiana
JACKY ROSEN, Nevada                  TED BUDD, North Carolina
BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico            ERIC SCHMITT, Missouri
JOHN HICKENLOOPER, Colorado          J. D. VANCE, Ohio
RAPHAEL WARNOCK, Georgia             SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West 
PETER WELCH, Vermont                   Virginia
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Hearing held on March 21, 2024...................................     1
Statement of Senator Cantwell....................................     1
Statement of Senator Cruz........................................     2
Statement of Senator Welch.......................................    31
Statement of Senator Wicker......................................    32
Statement of Senator Capito......................................    34
Statement of Senator Rosen.......................................    36
Statement of Senator Fischer.....................................    38
    Letter dated March 6, 2024 to Hon. Mike Johnson, Hon. Charles 
      E. Schumer, Hon. Hakeem Jeffries and Hon. Mitch McConnell 
      from Tim Donovan, President and CEO, Competitive Carriers 
      Association................................................    38
Statement of Senator Peters......................................    42
Statement of Senator Blackburn...................................    43
Statement of Senator Klobuchar...................................    45
    Letter dated March 19, 2024 to Hon. Maria Cantwell and Hon. 
      Ted Cruz from Mel Maier, Spokesman, Public Safety Next 
      Generation 9-1-1 Coalition.................................    45
Statement of Senator Vance.......................................    48
Statement of Senator Hickenlooper................................    50
Statement of Senator Thune.......................................    52
Statement of Senator Lummis......................................    54
Statement of Senator Lujan.......................................    57
    Letter dated March 21, 2024 to Hon. Maria Cantwell and Hon. 
      Ted Cruz from: Access Humboldt, American Association of 
      People with Disabilities, American Association for Public 
      Broadband, American Library Association, The Benton 
      Institute for Broadband & Society, Center for Rural 
      Strategies, Common Cause, Common Sense, Connected Nation, 
      Demand Progress, EducationSuperHighway, Fight for the 
      Future, Free Press Action, The Greenlining Institute, 
      Institute for Local Self-Reliance, Mississippi Broadband 
      Association, National Consumer Law Center, National Digital 
      Inclusion Alliance (NDIA), National Disability Rights 
      Network (NDRN), Native Public Media, NETWORK Lobby for 
      Catholic Social Justice, Open Technology Institute, Public 
      Knowledge, Schools, Health & Libraries Broadband (SHLB) 
      Coalition, United Church of Christ Media Justice Ministry..    59
Statement of Senator Schmitt.....................................    61

                               Witnesses

Professor Monisha Ghosh, Department of Electrical Engineering, 
  University of Notre Dame; Policy Outreach Director, SpectrumX; 
  Research Professor (Adjunct), University of Chicago; Joint 
  Appointment, Argonne National Laboratory.......................     4
    Prepared statement...........................................     6
Mary Brown, Executive Director, WifiForward......................    10
    Prepared statement...........................................    12
Clete D. Johnson, Senior Fellow, Center for Strategic and 
  International Studies; Partner, Wilkinson Barker Knauer, LLP...    13
    Prepared statement...........................................    14
Diane Rinaldo, Executive Director, Open Ran Policy Coalition.....    18
    Prepared statement...........................................    19
Harold Furchtgott-Roth, Senior Fellow and Director, Center for 
  the Economic of the Internet, Hudson Institute.................    22
    Prepared statement...........................................    23

                                Appendix

Response to written questions submitted to Monisha Ghosh by:
    Hon. Maria Cantwell..........................................    63
    Hon. Kyrsten Sinema..........................................    64
    Hon. Ben Ray Lujan...........................................    66
    Hon. John Hickenlooper.......................................    67
    Hon. Raphael Warnock.........................................    68
    Hon. Ted Cruz................................................    69
Response to written questions submitted to Mary L. Brown by:
    Hon. Maria Cantwell..........................................    70
    Hon. Ben Ray Lujan...........................................    71
    Hon. John Hickenlooper.......................................    72
    Hon. Ted Cruz................................................    73
    Hon. John Thune..............................................    74
    Hon. Jerry Moran.............................................    75
    Hon. Marsha Blackburn........................................    76
    Hon. Shelley Moore Capito....................................    77
Response to written questions submitted to Clete D. Johnson by:
    Hon. Maria Cantwell..........................................    78
    Hon. Kyrsten Sinema..........................................    79
    Hon. Ben Ray Lujan...........................................    81
    Hon. John Hickenlooper.......................................    82
    Hon. Raphael Warnock.........................................    83
    Hon. Jerry Moran.............................................    83
    Hon. Marsha Blackburn........................................    85
    Hon. Shelley Moore Capito....................................    86
Response to written questions submitted to Diane Rinaldo by:
    Hon. Maria Cantwell..........................................    86
    Hon. Ben Ray Lujan...........................................    87
    Hon. John Hickenlooper.......................................    87
    Hon. Raphael Warnock.........................................    88
    Hon. Jerry Moran.............................................    88
Response to written questions submitted to Harold Furchtgott-Roth 
  by:
    Hon. Maria Cantwell..........................................    89
    Hon. Kyrsten Sinema..........................................    89
    Hon. Ben Ray Lujan...........................................    91
    Hon. John Hickenlooper.......................................    91
    Hon. Jerry Moran.............................................    92
    Hon. Marsha Blackburn........................................    93

 
                     SPECTRUM AND NATIONAL SECURITY

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                        THURSDAY, MARCH 21, 2024

                                       U.S. Senate,
        Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:05 a.m., in 
room SR-253, Russell Senate Office Building, Hon. Maria 
Cantwell, Chair of the Committee, presiding.
    Present: Senators Cantwell [presiding], Klobuchar, Markey, 
Peters, Baldwin, Tester, Rosen, Lujan, Hickenlooper, Warnock, 
Welch, Cruz, Thune, Wicker, Fischer, Sullivan, Blackburn, 
Young, Budd, Schmitt, Vance, Capito, and Lummis.

           OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MARIA CANTWELL, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM WASHINGTON

    The Chair. Good morning. The Committee on Commerce, 
Science, and Transportation will come to order.
    This morning we are having the hearing on spectrum and 
national security, and appreciate the witnesses being here 
today. Today's hearing will focus on the interrelationship of 
these two critical factors, spectrum auction authority and 
national security, and getting a plan to move forward.
    Foreign adversaries' access to Americans' data is a real 
and growing concern, and we must act to shut the door to 
protect Americans. But we are seeing this conversation around 
applications and devices, and we need to consider the national 
security of communications networks themselves.
    So really appreciate our witnesses being here on that 
point. The network relies on spectrum, whether it is cell 
phones in our pockets, connected devices in our homes, critical 
defense systems in our military, radar, satellites for 
aviation, weather infrastructure spectrum, all essential 
components of a modern communication system.
    Spectrum is a finite resource, which means policymakers 
must ensure and manage it effectively to the benefits of all 
Americans. And last year, after 30 years of consensus that 
auctions were a key part of spectrum management, the FCC's 
spectrum authority expired for the first time.
    We want to renew that. We want to look at today and discuss 
the outer bands, you know, the 12 and 37 AWS and what we can do 
to make sure spectrum is made available now to continue to 
increase capacity, expand the opportunities for new technology 
and IoT, and leverage the opportunities for areas that aren't 
covered today to grow our economy of the future.
    We must also ensure that spectrum is managed, and our 
national security colleagues who have been in a very active 
debate with us over these issues, that we are expanding this 
capacity for innovation. The private sector and the defense 
sector both need to advance. They need to advance successfully, 
and the United States must be the leader in spectrum technology 
and security.
    We have seen firsthand the threats of our foreign 
adversaries that they pose to the domestic communication 
network. For example, the presence of unsecure equipment for 
Huawei and ZTE and our key domestic military installations 
impacted our communities. Rural providers across the nation, 
including my home state, are having to replace unsecure 
equipment costing billions of dollars.
    And as development begins on next generation wireless 
networks, it is critical the United States take a unified 
approach and continue to have the best spectrum policies in the 
world. It is clear that spectrum policy has often been the 
subject of interagency disputes, and that too, with the IO--
with the report that was published by NTIA and DOD on dynamic 
spectrum sharing, moved the discussion to a new level, but more 
needs to be done.
    A domestic approach to spectrum management built on 
collaboration will allow the United States to continue to lead 
on the international front. The FCC, NTIA, and NASA, DOD, and 
others must work together to ensure that we continue to work 
openly and collectively.
    Spectrum management must also embrace innovation like ORAN, 
open ORAN, which we will hear more about today, which will 
allow telecom providers to use secure competitive networks.
    And innovation must expand spectrum access, with 
technologies like the dynamic spectrum sharing--harness the 
opportunities. Other collective spectrum management and 
technology innovation--I believe we can create a true pipeline. 
That is what we really want to do. We want to get what we can 
get now, get it in place, and continue to grow the 
opportunities.
    A sustainable, responsible vision will allow us to move 
forward on both our private sector and our DOD missions. For 
this to happen, we must restore the FCC's auction authority and 
our strategy should include approaches on unlicensed and 
licensed spectrum.
    Today's hearing is about the national security element of 
that, and clearly once we address that, hopefully we will get 
our colleagues to focus on how to make these priorities a 
reality and create that kind of pipeline that will allow us to 
deal with some of our necessary issues for us to grow this 
security for the future.
    So, with that, I will turn to the Ranking Member, Senator 
Cruz, for his opening statement.

                  STATEMENT OF HON. TED CRUZ, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM TEXAS

    Senator Cruz. Thank you, Madam Chair, for convening this 
hearing about spectrum policy and national security. It 
couldn't come at a more critical time. Spectrum auction 
authority has been lapsed for more than a year.
    The Biden Administration has no concrete plans for getting 
spectrum into the marketplace. And all the while, the mid-band 
spectrum gap between the United States and China continues to 
grow.
    This is a problem not just for our Nation's wireless 
companies and their consumers, but for our national security. 
For too long, our leaders have been--have treated national 
security and wireless innovation as mutually exclusive.
    That is deeply shortsighted. If we want national security, 
we need wireless innovation. If we want American companies and 
trusted vendors to prevail against our adversaries, we need to 
lead on spectrum.
    Or to put it another way, if the United States does not 
dominate in next generation wireless networks and technology, 
we will become dependent on our adversaries and compromise our 
national security.
    To remain the world leader on 5G and beyond, we need a true 
mid-band spectrum pipeline. That is why last week, in 
partnership with Senators Thune and Blackburn, I introduced the 
Spectrum Pipeline Act.
    This legislation is vital for the United States to stay 
ahead of our adversaries and to advance strong economic growth. 
It requires the Administration to identify at least 2,500 MHz 
of prime mid-band spectrum to be reallocated for commercial use 
and creates shot clocks for the FCC to expeditiously auction at 
least half of that amount for 5G and 6G.
    Importantly, this bill is focused on getting the policy 
right at the outset, rather than allocating our Nation's 
spectrum policy to be dictated by where we should spend auction 
proceeds. And it incentivizes agencies to use their spectrum 
more efficiently. I have long believed that we need to change 
the incentive structure to help bring Federal incumbents to the 
table.
    By removing a key obstacle in current law, our bill allows 
agencies to use spectrum proceeds to replace affected equipment 
with even better state-of-the-art equipment. This will create a 
win-win for consumers and Federal agencies.
    Our bill also takes in all of the above approach. In 
addition to the wide area, full power spectrum that is critical 
to 5G dominance, it maintains our leadership in Wi-Fi too. With 
its low barriers to entry and freedom from regulation, Wi-Fi is 
a quintessentially American success story, which is why the 
bill requires the FCC to make available at least 125 MHz for 
the unlicensed services before any auction occurs.
    In the same vein, the bill requires the FCC to allocate 
more than 1,000 MHz for licensed or unlicensed services. 
Speaking of an all of the above approach, today, in partnership 
with Senator Rosen, I introduced the Satellite and 
Telecommunications Streamlining Act.
    We must promote American innovation on all fronts, and that 
includes maintaining U.S. leadership in next generation 
satellite technologies. While I am committed to innovative, 
tech neutral policies, I would urge my colleagues to be wary of 
rent seeking attempts by incumbent operators to block 
competition.
    Fostering competition and lowering barriers to entry means 
less Federal control of the airwaves and greater opportunities 
for economic growth. I implore my colleagues and stakeholders, 
do not fight to maintain the status quo.
    Similarly, I am disappointed that the majority chose at the 
last minute to add testimony from one side of the telecom 
industry, but not the perspective of competitors. We should be 
allowing lawmakers to hear from all sides on this issue.
    We need to work together and develop a harmonized, clear 
position, and that is what the Spectrum Pipeline Act brings to 
the table. Unfortunately, the contrast between our bill and the 
Biden Administration's dilatory, ambiguous approach couldn't be 
starker. Put simply, spectrum simply is not a priority for the 
Biden Administration.
    We offer a concrete timeline for freeing up spectrum, while 
the Administration's national spectrum strategy offers 
perpetual studies, bureaucratic dithering, and no action to 
free up a single Megahertz.
    We offer certainty, while they second-guess decisions and 
unlawfully withhold legitimately obtained spectrum from 
regulated entities. We saw this most jarringly in the 2023 
World Radio Communication Conference, when the U.S. delegation 
couldn't get its act together.
    We were stuck playing defense as China led the world in 
promoting Huawei's control of foreign telecom networks or take 
FCC Chairwoman Rosenworcel's decision to hold T-Mobile's 2.5 
GHz licenses hostage for more than a year. While I am glad that 
Congress was able to step in and clean up the FCC's mess, her 
inaction will reverberate for years to come.
    In addition to depriving millions of consumers of 5G 
connectivity for more than a year, the Chairwoman undermined 
confidence in the integrity of FCC auctions and spectrum 
property rights. We must reverse course. The Spectrum Pipeline 
Act provides certainty rather than ambiguity.
    It promotes competition, not barriers to entry. And most of 
all, it creates a strong, harmonized position that ensures 
America leads the world on wireless technology and doesn't fall 
behind our adversaries.
    I look forward to the hearings from today's witnesses and 
working with my colleagues so that we can finally get our 
country's spectrum policy back on track.
    The Chair. Thank you, Senator Cruz. We will now turn to the 
witnesses, and we will start with you, Dr. Ghosh. Thank you so 
much for being here.
    I love that you are an electrical engineer. We definitely 
need more women electrical engineers, so thank you so much for 
your leadership at Notre Dame.

STATEMENT OF PROFESSOR MONISHA GHOSH, DEPARTMENT OF ELECTRICAL 
    ENGINEERING, UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME; POLICY OUTREACH 
 DIRECTOR, SPECTRUMX; RESEARCH PROFESSOR (ADJUNCT), UNIVERSITY 
   OF CHICAGO; JOINT APPOINTMENT, ARGONNE NATIONAL LABORATORY

    Dr. Ghosh. Thank you very much. Good morning, and I am 
happy to testify today. Thank you for the opportunity. As you 
said, I am a Professor of Electrical Engineering at the 
University of Notre Dame.
    I am also the Policy Outreach Director for Spectrum X, 
which is the NSF funded center for spectrum innovation. I also 
took two leaves of absence to serve in Government at the NSF 
and as the CTO of the FCC.
    I continue to be actively engaged with both industry and 
Government in various capacities, and I hope to offer a 
balanced perspective. The opinions expressed in this testimony 
are my own and do not necessarily reflect the position of any 
of the institutions with which I am affiliated.
    So, spectrum policy that enhances U.S. national security is 
one that satisfies the current and growing future spectrum 
needs, not wants, of the commercial wireless sector, science, 
and mission critical Federal applications. The U.S. leads by 
using exclusively licensed, shared, and unlicensed mechanisms 
as appropriate, depending on the use case.
    Leadership in 5G and 6G, which is already under discussion, 
extends beyond just making more exclusively licensed spectrum 
available. 5G and 6G can also be deployed and shared in 
unlicensed bands, where they are more likely to serve 
innovative use cases beyond just mobile broadband.
    Our leadership and security depend on us developing those 
innovations before others do, making spectrum easily available, 
for example, by using the licensed--unlicensed or shared 
license model is crucial for this innovation to happen here.
    Verticals such as factory automation, remote oilfield 
monitoring, precision agriculture, community networks to serve 
the underserved, and improved indoor coverage are just some of 
the emerging applications that are crucial for our economic and 
national security.
    However, these are not well-served today by either cellular 
or Wi-Fi and are increasingly moving to the shared spectrum 
CBRS framework for affordable deployments.
    CBRS uses something called Dynamic Spectrum Sharing, or 
DSS, which refers to two or more different types of users, for 
example, Federal radar and cellular networks, overlapping their 
operations in frequency, time, and space, where one user is the 
incumbent and has priority.
    DSS may require systems to share information with each 
other, employ databases, or sensing to ensure that the primary 
user can continue to operate in the band without harmful 
interference. It is becoming increasingly clear that DSS will 
be an integral component of all future systems requiring access 
to spectrum.
    This is true of the U.S. and internationally. Spectrum is 
getting congested everywhere in the world and the physics of 
propagation remain the same. The innovative three tier sharing 
adopted by the U.S. and CBRS has demonstrated conclusively that 
spectrum can be shared successfully between mission critical 
applications such as Navy radar and commercial applications.
    At the same time, access to the spectrum using General 
Authorized Access, or GAA, has allowed the innovations 
mentioned earlier to develop. However, DSS needs to be more 
scalable and truly dynamic to address the protection needs of 
different types of incumbents in other bands.
    Furthermore, 6G needs to be sharing native, that is 
incorporate spectrum sharing mechanisms by design to coexist 
with incumbent service providers, as stated by the white House 
in its recent 6G statement.
    Advanced approaches for DSS that leverage technologies such 
as smart antennas need to be evaluated. Sensing, too, is a 
fundamental technology that enables DSS. However, the separate 
sensing network deployed for CBRS cannot protect incumbents 
that are geographically more distributed than Navy radars.
    We need to consider alternatives such as cooperative 
distributed sensing approaches that perhaps leverage the dense 
footprint of base stations and devices themselves. Improved 
receivers and accurate definitions of harmful interference can 
also lead to better spectrum sharing, as described in FCC's 
recent policy statement.
    Long term spectrum R&D is essential for the sustained 
development and testing of DSS approaches in real world 
environments to prove their robustness in protecting incumbents 
in various bands.
    NTIA's all of Government approach to the National Spectrum 
Strategy and implementation plan is a necessary first step. I 
urge this committee to consider ways that this long term R&D 
into DSS can be adequately and sustainably funded in industry, 
academia, and Government.
    Finally, all of this requires that the FCC's auction 
authority is restored. Even shared spectrum can be auctioned. 
Thank you for the opportunity to share my views and I welcome 
your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Ghosh follows.]

Prepared Statement of Professor Monisha Ghosh, Department of Electrical 
   Engineering, University of Notre Dame; Policy Outreach Director, 
 SpectrumX; Research Professor (Adjunct), University of Chicago; Joint 
                Appointment, Argonne National Laboratory
    Good morning Chairwoman Cantwell and members of the Committee. 
Thank you for the opportunity to testify today on the extremely timely 
and important topic of spectrum policy and technologies and their 
impact on national security.
                              Introduction
    My name is Monisha Ghosh, and I believe that I can offer a broad 
and balanced perspective on the matters before this Committee, given my 
years of experience working in the wireless industry, government 
research and regulatory organizations, and academia.
    To summarize my professional background, I am currently a Professor 
of Electrical Engineering at the University of Notre Dame. I came to 
academia in 2015 when I joined the University of Chicago after 24 years 
working in industry on wireless research and development, at Philips 
Research, Bell Labs and Interdigital, including contributing to the TV 
White Spaces (TVWS), an early Dynamic Spectrum Sharing (DSS) effort 
where we demonstrated the first cognitive radio that operated in the 
TVWS while protecting incumbents. I took two recent leaves of absence 
from academia to serve in government: 2017-2019, as a Program Manager 
in the Computer and Network Systems (CNS) division of the Computer and 
Information Science and Engineering (CISE) directorate at the National 
Science Foundation (NSF), where I helped manage NSF's research programs 
in spectrum and wireless and started the first program to study the 
applications of artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning (ML) 
in wireless networks, and January 2020 to June 2021 as the Chief 
Technology Officer (CTO) at the Federal Communications Commission 
(FCC), where I worked primarily on helping craft the rules for 
unlicensed access in the 6 GHz band and a pilot project with the U.S. 
Postal Service (USPS), as directed by Congress, to examine the 
feasibility of automatically gathering broadband coverage data using 
apps on smartphones mounted in postal vehicles.\1\
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    \1\ REPORT TO THE COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND 
TRANSPORTATION OF THE SENATE AND THE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE 
OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/
files/report-congress-usps-broad
band-data-collection-feasibility-05242021.pdf
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    I continue to be actively engaged with both industry and government 
as an academic. I have co-chaired the FCC's Technological Advisory 
Council's (TAC) working group on Advanced Spectrum Sharing since 2022, 
where we deliberate on technologies for advanced spectrum sharing. I am 
also an active member of industry's NextG Alliance, developing 
standards for 6G and beyond, and participated in the National Spectrum 
Consortium's (NSC) Partnering to Advance Trusted and Holistic Spectrum 
Solutions (PATHSS) Task Group which partnered with the Department of 
Defense (DoD) to explore efficient sharing solutions in 3.1-3.45 GHz.
    In addition, I am the Policy Outreach Director for SpectrumX,\2\ 
NSF's Center for Spectrum Innovation, led by the Wireless Institute\3\ 
in the College of Engineering at the University of Notre Dame. 
SpectrumX was initiated in September 2021 with a five-year $25M NSF 
grant that brings together 56 researchers and staff from 30 
universities and a number of Minority Serving Institutions (MSIs) with 
broad expertise spanning radio technologies, wireless terrestrial and 
satellite networks, scientific uses of spectrum and economic 
considerations related to spectrum allocations. A Memorandum of 
Agreement (MOA) is in place among the NSF, FCC, and the National 
Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) to ensure that 
the research undertaken in SpectrumX, and the NSF Spectrum Innovation 
Initiative more broadly, can directly impact spectrum issues of 
importance to the Nation. In addition to research, major focus areas of 
the Center are broadening participation in spectrum research and 
developing a workforce that can continue to expand U.S. leadership in 
spectrum policy and wireless technologies.
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    \2\ SpectrumX: https://www.spectrumx.org/
    \3\ Wireless Institute at Notre Dame: https://wireless.nd.edu/
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    Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this testimony are my own and 
do not necessarily reflect the positions of the various organizations 
with which I am affiliated.
                          Summary of testimony
    I will focus my remarks today on the following three areas:

  (1)  Spectrum Policy that enhances U.S. National Security. National 
        security is ensured by leadership in spectrum policy and 
        relevant technologies, not only in the commercial wireless 
        sector but also in science (e.g., weather forecasting and 
        radioastronomy) and mission-critical Federal applications. The 
        spectrum needs of all these applications are growing, and the 
        U.S should continue to lead by ensuring that policies and 
        technologies that allow spectrum to be sustainably allocated to 
        all uses are explored: exclusive licensing, shared usage and 
        unlicensed, according to current and future spectrum needs, not 
        wants. The use-cases that will be deployed should be carefully 
        considered when spectrum is allocated under different licensing 
        regimes: determining the right mix will deliver the appropriate 
        policy that continues to ensure leadership.

  (2)  Dynamic Spectrum Sharing (DSS), or Dynamic Spectrum Access (DSA) 
        refers to two or more different types of users, e.g., 
        television and unlicensed wireless devices or Federal radar and 
        cellular networks operating over the same frequencies at the 
        same time and in the same geographical area. Usually, a primary 
        user, or incumbent, has priority in the band, unlike unlicensed 
        bands where all users are treated as co-equals. DSS may require 
        systems to share information with each other, employ databases 
        or sensing to ensure that the primary user is protected from 
        harmful interference. It is becoming increasingly clear that 
        DSS will be an integral component of all future systems 
        requiring access to spectrum. This is true in the U.S. and 
        internationally: spectrum is getting congested everywhere in 
        the world since the physics of propagation remains the same. 
        The innovative 3-tier sharing adopted by the U.S. in the 
        Citizens Broadband Radio Service (CBRS) has demonstrated 
        conclusively that spectrum can be shared successfully between 
        mission-critical applications such as Navy radar and commercial 
        applications. The CBRS framework, by making easily available 
        spectrum under GAA (General Authorized Access), has also 
        spurred innovative use cases that are not well served by either 
        Wi-Fi or operator-deployed cellular networks. However, we need 
        to develop sharing technology further to be more scalable and 
        truly dynamic to address the protection needs of different 
        types of incumbents. In addition to creating spectrum policy to 
        support DSS, the next generation of cellular technology, 6G, 
        that is already under discussion worldwide, needs to be 
        ``sharing native,'' i.e., ``incorporate spectrum sharing 
        mechanisms by design to coexist with incumbent service 
        providers'' \4\ as stated by the White House.
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    \4\ White House Joint Statement Endorsing Principle For 6G: Secure, 
Open and Resilient by Design, https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/
statements-releases/2024/02/26/joint-statement-endorsing-principles-
for-6g-secure-open-and-resilient-by-design/

  (3)  Long term spectrum research and development is essential for the 
        U.S. to continue leading the world in delivering innovative 
        spectrum policies and technologies. The NTIA recently released 
        the National Spectrum Strategy (NSS) \5\ and the Implementation 
        Plan,\6\ thoughtfully written documents laying out a 
        collaborative agenda that includes industry, government and 
        academia for addressing immediate spectrum challenges as well 
        as developing long-term planning, research and development 
        (R&D), and education and workforce development (EWD). Many of 
        the outcomes listed in the plan detail how the NSF through its 
        spectrum initiatives, including SpectrumX, can address the 
        needs of data collection, experimentation and testbeds, and 
        developing educational activities. In order for such R&D 
        efforts to impact policy in the near term and to be 
        transformative in the long term, adequate funding needs to be 
        prioritized for collaborative efforts between industry, 
        academia and government to continue to grow.
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    \5\ NTIA National Spectrum Strategy, https://www.ntia.gov/sites/
default/files/publications/national_spectrum_strategy_final.pdf
    \6\ NTIA National Spectrum Strategy Implementation Plan, https://
www.ntia.gov/sites/default/files/publications/national-spectrum-
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                           Detailed testimony
  (1)  Spectrum Policy that Enhances National Security
      The U.S. has long led the world in innovative spectrum policies 
        from allocating spectrum for unlicensed services in the 
        eighties, to developing auction mechanisms in the nineties and 
        now exploring sharing mechanisms in the new century. These 
        innovations have spurred economic vitality not just in the 
        U.S., but worldwide. Although commercial wireless expansion is 
        extremely important, we also need to ensure that services that 
        are critical to our Nation's security continue to have priority 
        access to the spectrum that is indispensable to their 
        operations and mission, such as radars (land, sea and airborne) 
        for defense, weather, and aviation; dedicated terrestrial, 
        ground-to-air, and ground-to-space communication links; 
        position, navigation, and timing systems including GPS; 
        environmental remote sensing satellites; and radio telescopes. 
        Furthermore, commercial wireless use cases are growing beyond 
        conventional mobile broadband and Wi-Fi to include verticals 
        such as factory automation, remote oil-field monitoring, 
        precision agriculture, community networks to serve the 
        underserved and to provide improved indoor coverage; these 
        emerging applications are not well served today by either Wi-Fi 
        or cellular and are increasingly moving to the shared spectrum 
        framework available in the CBRS band for affordable 
        deployments.\7\
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    \7\ OnGo Alliance Use Cases for CBRS, https://ongoalliance.org/
ongo-solutions/

      High-power, exclusively licensed spectrum will continue to be the 
        backbone for delivery of wide-area mobile broadband coverage 
        outdoors, while Wi-Fi will continue to utilize the unlicensed 
        bands for indoor use and short-range outdoor use. However, true 
        sharing, where systems occupy the same spectrum in time and 
        space, is extremely challenging when, for example, megawatt 
        airborne radars and high-power outdoor base stations operating 
        at hundreds of kilowatts need to coexist. On the other hand, 
        sharing may be easier with low/medium power systems deployed 
        indoors or at lower heights. It is widely recognized that 80 
        percent of all data either originates or terminates indoors,\8\ 
        which further accentuates the need to improve indoor 
        connectivity. Leveraging the natural RF isolation provided by 
        buildings, especially newer energy-efficient buildings with 
        low-E glass, can lead to spectrum sharing where the same 
        spectrum that is used by high-power outdoor incumbents can be 
        reused by indoor systems. This is similar to 6 GHz unlicensed 
        usage in the U.S., but the model can be extended to shared 
        licensed use as well. In fact, the neutral-host model deployed 
        using CBRS indoors accomplishes this today\9\ and China, too, 
        has allocated the 3.3-3.4 GHz band for shared indoor use.\10\ 
        However, as detailed in my comments presented at the NTIA's 
        listening session in April 2023, the amount of shared spectrum 
        available today, 150 MHz, is far lower than the total mid-band 
        spectrum allocated for exclusively licensed use ( 600 MHz) and 
        unlicensed spectrum (1900 MHz) \11\ and may not be enough to 
        fully support the many innovative use-cases that are being 
        developed. Our European allies have recognized the value of 
        low/medium power shared licensing and are expanding usage by 
        400 MHz in 3.8-4.2 MHz.\12\ It should be noted though that 
        these allocations do not leverage DSS, which can further 
        improve spectrum utilization by sharing spectrum with primary 
        as well as secondary users.
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    \8\ A 5G America's Whitepaper on Energy Efficiency and 
Sustainability in Mobile Communications Networks, December 2023, 
https://www.5gamericas.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Energy-
Efficiency-and-Sustainability-in-Mobile-Communications-Networks-WP.pdf
    \9\ 5 Bars Indoor For Everyone--The Power of CBRS and Neutral Hosts 
in Wireless Networks, https://ongoalliance.org/5-bars-indoor-for-
everyonethe-power-of-cbrs-and-neutral-hosts-in-wireless-networks/
    \10\ China Issues 5G Spectrum Licenses For Indoor Coverage, 
February 2020, https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/5g/china-issues-5g-
spectrum-licences-for-indoor-coverage/
    \11\ Comments of Professor Ghosh at the NTIA Listening, April 17 
2023, https://ntia.gov/sites/default/files/publications/ghosh.pdf
    \12\ Ofcom, Evolution of the Shared Access Licence Framework, Call 
For Inputs, https://www.ofcom.org.uk/data/assets/pdf_file/0032/255965/
call-for-inputs-evolution-of-shared-access.pdf

  (2)  Dynamic Spectrum Sharing (DSS) needs to consider both co-and 
        adjacent-channel interference concerns of incumbents. There is 
        no one-size-fits all solution to these potential interference 
        scenarios. Sound spectrum policy should be based on fundamental 
        technical analyses, measurements and testing which includes all 
        stakeholders, such as the Federal agencies (e.g., FCC and NTIA) 
        and spectrum stakeholders (commercial wireless, DoD, 
        scientists). Most of the current spectrum allocations that 
        share between incumbent services and new entrants (e.g., 
        Television White Spaces (TVWS), 6 GHz and CBRS) employ some 
        variants of a spectrum-use database to assign channels so that 
        the incumbent is protected. These methods rely on predicted 
        propagation and interference based on models, and often do not 
        take into account many of the details of the systems that will 
        coexist in the band. Interference protection contours are thus 
        often set to satisfy worst-case interference scenarios which 
        may have a low probability of occurrence resulting in 
        overprotection and spectrum-underutilization. Database-mediated 
        sharing is a proven technique for a number of frequency bands, 
        but may not be suitable for all situations since this method is 
        inherently less dynamic and does not react in a timely fashion 
        to actual propagation and interference conditions. The FCC TAC 
        in 2022 published a whitepaper on lessons learnt from CBRS \13\ 
        that summarizes how future centralized spectrum management 
        systems based on databases could be improved and become more 
        dynamic. The Advanced Spectrum Sharing Working group will 
        continue addressing DSS under the new FCC TAC charter.\14\
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    \13\ Recommendations to the FCC Based on Lessons Learned from CBRS, 
FCC TAC, December 2022, https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/
recommendations_to_the_federal_communications
_commission_based_on_lessons_learned_from_cbrs.pdf
    \14\ FCC 2024-2025 Working Groups Charter, https://www.fcc.gov/
sites/default/files/2024
%20TAC%20WG%20Charters.pdf

      More advanced technical approaches for DSS can be developed that 
        leverage specific characteristics. For example, modern wireless 
        systems, both cellular and Wi-Fi, use smart antenna array 
        systems that tailor the transmitted energy optimally in 3-
        dimensional space towards intended users. The same systems 
        could also be adapted to steer energy away from incumbent 
        systems. Such approaches require changes in 6G and beyond 
        standards to be ``sharing native'', i.e., designed from the 
        very beginning to operate in shared frequency bands with 
        incumbents instead of solely in licensed or unlicensed bands 
        where deployed systems utilize standards that do not account 
        for incumbent use: an exception is Dynamic Frequency Selection 
        (DFS) in Wi-Fi bands with incumbent Federal radars. Sensing is 
        an integral technology that enables DSS, however, the separate 
        sensing network deployed for CBRS cannot protect incumbents 
        that are geographically more distributed than Navy radars: we 
        need to develop distributed sensing approaches that leverage 
        the dense footprint of base-stations and devices to develop 
        cooperative sensing approaches to detect incumbents. Improved 
        receivers and accurate definitions of ``harmful interference'' 
        can also lead to better spectrum sharing as described in FCC's 
        recent policy statement.\15\
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    \15\ Policy Statement, Promoting Efficient Use of Spectrum through 
Improved Receiver Interference Immunity Performance, https://
docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-23-27A1.pdf

  (3)  Long term spectrum research and development is essential for 
        sustained development and testing of DSS approaches in real-
        world environments to prove their robustness in protecting 
        incumbents in various bands. The 7.125-8.4 GHz band has a very 
        different mix of incumbent users compared to 3.1-3.45 GHz and 
        may require different approaches. The NSS Implementation Plan 
        lays out very concrete steps to address these issues, but the 
        longest-term deliverable is set for November 2027. DSS R&D 
        efforts will most definitely need to continue beyond this. 
        While the 3.1-3.45 GHz has been studied for a few years within 
        PATHSS, the 7.125-8.4 GHz band requires in-depth analysis into 
        incumbent use, propagation mechanisms and possible use-cases. I 
        urge this Committee to consider ways that this long-term R&D 
        into DSS can be adequately and sustainably funded in industry, 
        academia and government. Furthermore, as demands on spectrum 
        from all users continue to grow, new bands will need to be 
        continually evaluated for sharing and perhaps new sharing 
        modalities developed.
                           Concluding Remarks
    The U.S. leads the world today in innovations in spectrum policy 
that have delivered wireless applications that impact all aspects of 
our life, from broadband connectivity to national security and 
scientific breakthroughs. This leadership must continue to ensure that 
all options are evaluated to create a sustainable spectrum strategy for 
every system that requires access to spectrum. Dynamic Spectrum Sharing 
is a key technological innovation that was conceived of and first 
implemented in the U.S.; however, we must continue the innovations to 
ensure that both policies and technologies lead to the development of a 
truly sharing-native wireless ecosystem that continues to serve all 
needs.
    I thank you for the opportunity to share my thoughts on this very 
important topic and welcome any questions.

    The Chair. Thank you so much. We will now turn to Ms. 
Brown. Welcome. Thank you so much for being here. I am sure you 
will introduce herself a little more detailed but thank you so 
much for your leadership at Wi-Fi Forward.

        STATEMENT OF MARY L. BROWN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, 
                          WIFIFORWARD

    Ms. Brown. Thank you, Chair Cantwell, Ranking Member Cruz, 
and members of the Committee for the opportunity to testify 
today. I serve as Executive Director of Wi-Fi Forward and have 
over 30 years of experience helping foster U.S. leadership in 
Wi-Fi technologies.
    Thank you for holding this national security hearing that 
enables us to consider how Wi-Fi technologies play an important 
role in our national defense and safety. I will focus on just 
three dimensions of that topic.
    First, how the U.S. Wi-Fi industry has been battling 
Chinese interests that would obstruct Wi-Fi growth globally. 
Second, how Wi-Fi provides communications resilience and 
redundancy.
    Third, the hidden strength of Wi-Fi, its ability to coexist 
in the same set of spectrum frequency used by others, including 
Federal and military users, without causing harmful 
interference, thereby fueling economic growth and technology 
innovation without relocating Federal systems.
    Wi-Fi has been in the center ring, fighting against China's 
global spectrum priorities. The Chinese Communist Party has 
prioritized influencing spectrum allocation decisions 
worldwide, both to maximize Huawei and ZTE's global influence 
and power, and to undercut U.S. leadership.
    In 2020, the FCC led the world to open the 6 Gigahertz band 
for unlicensed Wi-Fi. But as countries move to follow our lead, 
China advanced its own agenda, seeking to make 6 Gigahertz a 
band for exclusive license mobile use in dozens of proceedings 
around the world.
    Later in 2023, at the World Radio Conference, China 
aggressively worked to dismantle the U.S. led momentum for 
unlicensed spectrum, urging a global plan to advantage Chinese 
government sponsored companies by allowing only exclusive 
licensed mobile networks in the upper half of the 6 Gigahertz 
band.
    Thanks to U.S. leadership, China's attempts largely failed. 
Post WRC, U.S. companies can and will continue to engage 
country by country to encourage harmonized unlicensed use, 
which benefits the U.S.
    That said, we already see that China has simply changed 
venues. Its vigorous campaign for Huawei and ZTE positioned as 
the fight against Wi-Fi continues. We therefore appreciate this 
committee's focus on how spectrum policy advances U.S. national 
security and economic interests, both at home and abroad.
    Second, Wi-Fi enables the public to reliably connect and 
communicate in places such as their homes, businesses, and 
schools. When a major cell phone carrier recently experienced a 
widespread network outage, it notably advised its customers to 
use Wi-Fi communications until cellular service could be 
restored.
    Consumers connected to Wi-Fi barely noticed any disruption 
and were able to access a number of Wi-Fi voice and messaging 
applications to communicate during the outage, all because Wi-
Fi networks are ubiquitous where people live and work.
    And these Wi-Fi networks are resilient by design due to the 
tremendous investments Wi-Fi providers and developers have made 
to keep pace with consumers' growing demands for the 
technology. In fact, the vast majority of data we consume each 
day is delivered via Wi-Fi.
    For at least one mobile provider, 87 percent of its 
customer smartphone traffic is carried over Wi-Fi. Network 
outages also occur when natural disasters strike, making 
redundant Wi-Fi and other networks important to ensuring 
connectivity.
    For example, operators frequently open their Wi-Fi networks 
to any and all users in the wake of natural disasters such as 
the recent wildfires in Maui and Hurricane Ida in 2021. Third, 
and finally, the coexistence capabilities of Wi-Fi are a U.S. 
national security strength.
    Coexistence means more spectrum can be provided for 
commercial use without resource consuming reallocation of 
Federal systems that support critical national security 
missions.
    Whether in the 5 Gigahertz band for Wi-Fi or for CBRS in a 
band used by Navy radars, we have seen the U.S. Government able 
to commercialize valuable spectrum resources and unleash 
economic growth and innovation without incurring exorbitant 
costs to displace and relocate critical Federal incumbents like 
DOD, NASA, and NOAA, among others.
    Wi-Fi technology is a bedrock of our Nation's connectivity 
here at home and is pivotal to our national security and global 
competitiveness. Thank you for the opportunity to share this 
information with you, and I look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Brown follows.]

  Prepared Statement of Mary L. Brown, Executive Director, WifiForward
    Chair Cantwell, Ranking Member Cruz and members of the Committee, 
thank you for the opportunity to testify today. I serve as the 
Executive Director of WifiForward, and have over 30 years of experience 
helping foster U.S. leadership in Wi-Fi technologies.
    Thank you for holding this national security hearing that enables 
us to consider how Wi-Fi technologies play an important role in our 
national defense and safety. I will focus on just three dimensions of 
that topic. First, how the U.S. Wi-Fi industry has been battling 
Chinese interests that would obstruct Wi-Fi growth globally. Second, 
how Wi-Fi provides communications resilience and redundancy. Third, the 
hidden strength of Wi-Fi--its ability to coexist in the same set of 
spectrum frequencies used by others, including Federal and military 
users, without causing harmful interference, thereby fueling economic 
growth and technology innovation without relocating Federal systems.
    Wi-Fi has been in the center ring fighting against China's global 
spectrum priorities. The Chinese Communist Party has prioritized 
influencing spectrum allocation decisions worldwide--both to maximize 
Huawei's and ZTE's global influence and power, and to undercut U.S. 
leadership.
    In 2020, the FCC led the world to open the 6 GHz band for 
unlicensed Wi-Fi. But as countries moved to follow our lead China 
advanced its own agenda seeking to make 6 GHz a band for exclusive, 
licensed mobile use in dozens of proceedings around the world.
    Late in 2023, at the World Radio Conference, China aggressively 
worked to dismantle the U.S.-led momentum for unlicensed spectrum, 
urging a global plan to advantage Chinese government-sponsored 
companies by allowing only exclusive, licensed mobile networks in the 
upper half of the 6 GHz band. Thanks to U.S. leadership, China's 
attempts largely failed.
    Post-WRC, U.S. companies can and will continue to engage country by 
country to encourage harmonized unlicensed use, which benefits the U.S. 
That said, we already see that China has simply changed venues--its 
vigorous campaign for Huawei and ZTE, positioned as a fight against Wi-
Fi, continues. We therefore appreciate this Committee's focus on how 
spectrum policy advances U.S. national security and economic interests 
both at home and abroad.
    Second, Wi-Fi enables the public to reliably connect and 
communicate in places such as their homes, businesses and schools. When 
a major cell phone carrier recently experienced a widespread network 
outage, it notably advised its customers to use Wi-Fi communications 
until cellular service could be restored. Consumers connected to Wi-Fi 
barely noticed any disruption, and were able to access a number of Wi-
Fi voice and messaging applications to communicate during the outage, 
all because Wi-Fi networks are ubiquitous where people live and work. 
And, these WiFi networks are resilient by design due to the tremendous 
investments Wi-Fi providers and developers have made to keep pace with 
consumers' growing demands for the technology. In fact, the vast 
majority of data that we consume each day is delivered via Wi-Fi. For 
at least one mobile provider, 87 percent of its customers' smartphone 
traffic is carried over Wi-Fi.
    Network outages also occur when natural disasters strike, making 
redundant Wi-Fi and other networks important to ensuring connectivity. 
For example, operators frequently open their Wi-Fi networks to any and 
all users in the wake of natural disasters, such as the recent 
wildfires in Maui and Hurricane Ida in 2021.
    Third, the coexistence capabilities of Wi-Fi are a U.S. national 
security strength. Coexistence means more spectrum can be provided for 
commercial use without resource-consuming relocation of Federal systems 
that support critical national security missions. Whether in the 5 GHz 
band for Wi-Fi, or for CBRS in a band used by Navy radars, we have seen 
the U.S. Government able to commercialize valuable Federal spectrum 
resources, and unleash economic growth and innovation, without 
incurring exorbitant costs to displace and relocate critical Federal 
incumbents, like DOD, NASA, or NOAA, among others.
    Wi-Fi technology is a bedrock of our Nation's connectivity here at 
home and is pivotal to our national security and global 
competitiveness. Thank you for the opportunity to share this 
information with you, and I look forward to your questions.

    The Chair. Thank you so much, Ms. Brown. Mr. Johnson, it is 
a reappearance, right? You have been here before.
    Mr. Johnson. I have been here before as a staffer.
    The Chair. OK. So, well thank you so much for coming back. 
I appreciate it.

         STATEMENT OF CLETE D. JOHNSON, SENIOR FELLOW,
        CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES;
             PARTNER, WILKINSON BARKER KNAUER, LLP

    Mr. Johnson. Thank you so much. Madam Chair, Senator Cruz, 
Senators, as a former Army officer, former Senate Intelligence 
Committee and adjunct Senate Commerce Committee staffer, FCC 
and Commerce staffer, let me just say it is a distinct honor to 
be here in this room, because this committee in this room, 
which is the birthplace of the cybersecurity framework, it 
played such a crucial role in the bipartisan push for 
Government, industry collaboration in tech--on tech security.
    Now we need to apply those principles to spectrum policy. 
This is critical to the security of the U.S. and our allies, 
because future networks will be developed either by us or by 
autocracies, China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea. It is that 
simple and our security as a market democracy is at stake.
    We need to leverage spectrum for our principles, dynamism, 
innovation, freedom, not surveillance, control, and oppression 
too. So, to secure our core national interests, we have to 
maximize all spectrum uses from weapons and defense systems to 
licensed and unlicensed commercial networks.
    This will be hard--we are pretty good at technical 
achievements, particularly at the intersection of military and 
commercial capabilities. Spectrum availability is an 
optimization challenge, not a scarcity problem. Radio waves are 
a critical resource, so we can either argue about scarcity or 
we can work together to optimize.
    Our security depends on this choice. Spectrum allocation is 
a national security issue because supply chains derive from 
spectrum bands. That is one reason why we are spending billions 
of dollars to Rip and Replace Huawei and ZTE gear, because they 
were often the only suppliers of radios for the spectrum that 
some small carriers used. We can't let that happen again.
    But we are falling behind in two areas. First, 
globalization, global harmonization of spectrum bands creates 
global scale, and companies designing for large global market 
have significant advantages over those designing for a smaller 
market. The more that our spectrum bands are harmonized with 
allies in global markets, the more scale trusted suppliers have 
for secure equipment.
    We need the world's tech discourse to take place in our 
spectrum bands, the frequency languages that we speak, but we 
are in danger of giving away that position to China and its 
untrusted suppliers. Particularly in licensed mid-band spectrum 
where China leads us by two and a half times.
    For scale and power, China wants to design equipment that 
speaks the most common frequency language, so they are taking 
our role as the leader of globally harmonized spectrum. If we 
are--and we are beginning--we are becoming a spectrum island 
largely outside of harmonized bands.
    If this continues, U.S. technology will be a U.S. only 
dialect with limited influence and global scale. Huawei and ZTE 
and others would gain advantages across critical use cases, 
from 5G infrastructure, to connected vehicles, to advanced 
manufacturing.
    Rip and Replace restrictions can be helpful, but they are 
costly and insufficient. We have to be able to compete with 
China at the same scale in the first place, and harmonized 
spectrum is indispensable to that.
    Second, capacity. We need enough spectrum capacity to 
innovate and manufacture, but today we are anemic in licensed 
wide area coverage, which will soon run out of capacity unless 
we act urgently. Local unlicensed connectivity, like Wi-Fi in a 
home or office, is like the capillaries of the wireless 
ecosystem, nourishing local applications and network functions.
    As Senator Cruz and Mary have both said, our wireless 
capillaries are robust and healthy. We have far more unlicensed 
spectrum than China or any other country, which is one of the 
reasons Wi-Fi is such a resounding American success story.
    But our arteries, the licensed wide area coverage providing 
mobile connectivity across our vast continent, are already near 
capacity, with nothing coming in the spectrum pipeline. Here we 
have gone from world leader to drastically trailing China and 
it is getting worse.
    Make no mistake, this is a national security crisis, and it 
is a platform for China to shape the world's networks for its 
own autocratic interests. And also, battlefields of the future 
will be shaped by commercial spectrum availability.
    For operational warfighting reasons, it is crucial that 
future network and tech like AI, cyber operations, battlefield 
communications are developed by us, not China. So, in 
conclusion, we need to act urgently to optimize our spectrum 
use so that America can lead in all areas of the wireless 
environment.
    This begins with restoring the FCC's authority to auction 
spectrum. The lapse in this authority severely damages U.S. 
security every day it lapses. We need to restore auction 
authority so that spectrum studies become a pipeline for 
concrete advances in capacity and auctions for mid-band 
spectrum.
    This will benefit all parties. The only loser in a zero sum 
game is U.S. national security. We need our best commercial and 
Government engineers to find opportunities to optimize. So, 
with that, I would love to take your questions and expand on 
these important points, but this is--we have a moment we need 
to seize here.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Johnson follows:]

   Prepared Statement of Clete D. Johnson, Senior Fellow, Center for 
Strategic and International Studies; Partner, Wilkinson Barker Knauer, 
                                  LLP
Spectrum and National Security
    Chairwoman Cantwell, Senator Cruz, Members of the Committee, thank 
you for allowing me to share my perspective on spectrum and national 
security.
    It is a special honor to be here today, as this Committee--and this 
very room, the birthplace of the NIST Cybersecurity Framework--have 
played such an important role in developing U.S. cybersecurity and 
network security policy. The bipartisan consensus that has shaped this 
policy over the past two decades, advancing the principles of 
technology innovation and dynamism and government-industry 
collaboration, in many ways began here.
    With your leadership, we now have the opportunity to apply these 
principles to U.S. spectrum policy. This is absolutely crucial to the 
security of the United States and our allies, because spectrum policy 
is key to the future of the networks and applications on which our 
societies operate. Those networks and applications will be developed 
either by us, with the free market principles this Committee has long 
espoused, or by the deepening autocratic alliance of China, Russia, 
Iran, and North Korea.
    It is that simple. The security of the United States as a free 
market democracy hangs in the balance. Fortunately, successive 
Administrations and Congresses have taken meaningful actions to address 
this threat, and now we have the opportunity to leverage spectrum 
policy in favor of our principles--dynamism, innovation, and freedom 
rather than surveillance, control, and oppression. This will require 
maximizing all critical uses of spectrum, from weapons and defense 
systems to commercial 5G and next generation wireless networks, 
including both local wireless connectivity and wide area coverage.
    To secure our core national interests, we have to lead the world in 
all of these areas, and we can. However, right now we are in danger of 
falling far behind China in mid-band licensed spectrum that can support 
wide area coverage, which is critical to bringing mobile services and 
technologies to every part of the country. This is a grave threat to 
the security of our network infrastructure.
    Addressing this severe licensed spectrum shortage while also 
maintaining our present world-leading position in defense systems and 
local wireless connectivity will be difficult. But as this Committee 
well knows, the United States is quite capable of accomplishing 
difficult technical achievements, particularly at the intersection of 
military capabilities and commercial strength. One example in the 
spectrum arena that I saw first-hand as an Army logistics officer in 
the late 1990s: The Department of Defense partnered with large industry 
players to develop and scale the RFID tag system for real-time global 
tracking of supply shipments, thereby revolutionizing supply chains and 
inventory management. This example is one of many reasons the United 
States leads the world in both military force projection capabilities 
and commercial dynamism.
    We need to apply that type of solutions-oriented action to spectrum 
policy as well. As one astute colleague put it, spectrum availability 
is ``an optimization challenge, not a scarcity problem.'' The invisible 
radio waves that make up the radiofrequency spectrum are a critical 
natural resource, and we can either argue over their scarcity or work 
together to optimize their use. Our economic and national security 
depends on making the right choice.
Why Does Spectrum Matter for Network Security?
    There is a direct relationship between the availability of spectrum 
and the ability of manufacturers and innovators to enhance and expand 
the state of wireless technologies. Spectrum is the lifeblood of the 
wireless ecosystem, serving as a core component of the technology 
landscape and the mutually interrelated technology development 
processes. This relationship is not perfectly linear or sequential, but 
to be clear, our security interests depend directly on spectrum 
availability.
    Wireless research and development, technology design, standards and 
intellectual property, and thus hardware, software, and the 
applications they enable--that is, the wireless network supply chain 
and capabilities--are specific to particular spectrum bands. If we view 
Huawei, ZTE, TikTok, and other China-based ``national champions'' as a 
threat, then we must view commercial 5G spectrum availability in the 
United States as an antidote to that threat.
    In the future, we may achieve the technological ability to obviate 
the connection between particular spectrum bands and technology design 
and development, but that is not the present reality. That is one 
reason why we have had to expend billions of dollars (and still 
counting!) to ``rip and replace'' Huawei and ZTE gear, as those China-
backed companies were the only suppliers that built radios for the 
spectrum bands on which many of our small carriers operated. We should 
never let that happen again.
    It is a national security imperative to make commercial spectrum 
available for 5G and future-generation wireless technologies to secure 
the U.S. position as the leader in trusted network technologies as 
autocrats seek to take the lead. China's aggressive strategy to 
dominate technology in general, and 5G and future-generation networks 
and applications in particular, underscores the significant impacts 
that spectrum access and technology processes have on the security of 
the wireless supply chain and the applications the network enables.
    There are two elements of this spectrum environment that are 
becoming security setbacks for the United States: (1) global 
harmonization and scale, and (2) U.S. capacity.
    First, global harmonization and scale. The specific spectral 
frequencies available to commercial operators are indispensable to the 
ability of a trusted and commercially viable equipment market to 
develop in a harmonized environment. Wireless antennas, radios, and 
other network components are typically designed to operate under a 
band-specific framework. While future technology developments in 
chipsets, software, and artificial intelligence may enable wireless 
radios and equipment to operate without regard to spectrum-specific 
design, the ability of network equipment to speak different frequency 
``languages'' is not likely to be achieved in the immediate near term. 
This further underlines the need for trusted and harmonized frequency 
availability, and for leadership by the United States and our allies.
    Global harmonization of spectrum bands creates global scale for 
technology development, and developers that are designing for a large 
global market have significant tangible and intangible advantages over 
those that are designing for a smaller market bespoke user or use. The 
more that U.S. spectrum uses are harmonized with our allies and global 
markets, the more scale trusted suppliers have for secure technology 
development. In short, we need the world's technology discourse to take 
place in the spectrum bands in which we operate--the frequency 
``languages'' that we speak--but we are in danger of giving away that 
position to China and its untrusted suppliers.
    China knows that this starts with leading in the availability of 
licensed mid-band spectrum for wide-area coverage; today, it leads the 
U.S. by 2.5 times in access to these frequencies. For scale and market 
positioning purposes, China wants its developers to design equipment 
that speaks the frequency language most broadly spoken in the mid-band 
environment, putting it on a trajectory toward adopting or even leading 
globally harmonized spectrum. Meanwhile, the United States is becoming 
a mid-band spectrum island that operates largely outside of core 
globally harmonized spectrum bands; if this trajectory continues, the 
U.S. technology ecosystem will operate within a U.S.-only spectrum 
``dialect'' that lacks influence and global scale.
    The result of this dichotomy is that China-based national champions 
like Huawei and ZTE would gain enormous advantages across a variety of 
critical use cases and architectures. Connected vehicles are a prime 
example. The Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security 
(BIS) is currently examining the state of this marketplace to determine 
the threat landscape for foreign adversary influence over integral 
communications technologies and services associated with such vehicles. 
BIS is proposing a rule to govern transactions that might otherwise 
enable untrusted China-based suppliers to become embedded in this 
technology. Targeted restrictions can indeed be valuable, but as we 
have seen in the ``rip-and-replace'' setting, they are both costly and 
insufficient. It is necessary that U.S. and allied technology 
developers can compete with China-based developers at the same capacity 
and harmonized scale in the first place. The availability of harmonized 
spectrum is indispensable to that imperative.
    Critically, the risks of autocratic leadership in essential 
wireless supply chain elements extends to Federal and military uses of 
commercial systems as well. As Deputy National Security Advisor Anne 
Neuberger has highlighted, the security considerations that exist in a 
purely commercial setting are also central to the future battlefield. 
The technology ecosystem in which our warfighters will wage the battles 
of the future will be shaped by commercial spectrum availability for 
current and future generations of wireless. For operational warfighting 
reasons, it is crucial that future technology, standards, hardware, 
software, and applications--including AI, cyber operations, and 
battlefield communications--are developed by U.S. and allied companies 
with sufficient spectrum harmonization and scale to lead the world.
    Second, U.S. capacity. As NTIA recently highlighted in its National 
Spectrum Strategy Implementation Plan, ``U.S. leadership in next-
generation technologies and services requires greater spectrum access 
for both the private and public sectors in the near- and medium-term.'' 
Indeed, it is essential that U.S. wireless companies have the spectrum 
resources they need to work alongside like-minded nations to innovate 
and manufacture advanced wireless technologies and their components--
including chipsets, software, radios, and more--for use in both the 
commercial and Federal sectors. Today, however, the United States is 
anemic regarding this critical network input for licensed wide area 
coverage, which will run out of capacity in the coming years unless we 
act with urgency to address the shortage.
    Consider local wireless connectivity (for instance, WiFi in a 
building or home or office campus) as the ``capillaries'' of the 
wireless ecosystem, drawing on broadband service to nourish local 
applications and network functions. Our wireless capillaries are robust 
and healthy; the United States has far more unlicensed spectrum 
allocated than China or any other country, which is one of many reasons 
that WiFi is a resounding American success story. But the ``arteries'' 
of our wireless ecosystem--the licensed wide area coverage that 
provides mobile connectivity broadly across our vast continent--are 
already near capacity, with no further expansions presently in the 
spectrum pipeline. We have gone from leading the world on this metric 
to drastically trailing China and a dozen peer countries, and that 
deficit is expected to grow substantially in the next decade.
    The existing disparity between U.S. licensed mid-band spectrum 
allocations as compared to the rest of the world is a major national 
security challenge, as it has created a platform for China to shape the 
near-term and future technology environment in its own strategic 
interest. China is ensuring that its mid-band arteries have plenty of 
capacity, while our 5G and next-generation mid-band wireless ecosystem 
is limited today and soon to reach its limits, putting a corollary 
structural bound on the ability of the U.S. to lead in these technology 
developments. This problem broadens the threat landscape throughout the 
global network technology supply chain, further highlighting the 
imperative of ensuring there are sufficient licensed spectrum 
allocations available to support U.S. innovations in wireless.
Addressing the Risks of the U.S. Spectrum Shortage
    We must act urgently to optimize spectrum use so that the United 
States can lead in all key areas of the wireless environment. This 
optimization process should be organized to benefit all parties, so 
everyone comes to the table transparently and with an eye to mutual 
benefit and advancing the interests of the United States, rather than a 
zero-sum game with distinct losers and winners. The real loser in this 
zero-sum approach is U.S. national security.
    This obviously must begin with restoring the FCC's statutory 
authority to auction spectrum. The ongoing lapse in this authority 
severely damages U.S. leadership, and thus U.S. security, every 
additional day it lasts. We need urgent action to restore auction 
authority in such a way that the studies of the bands identified in 
NTIA's Implementation Plan are not just academic, but instead lead to 
concrete advances in spectrum capacity and auctions for necessary 
licensed mid-band spectrum.
    With this authority in place, stakeholders should work together 
collaboratively and with urgency to make spectrum optimization a 
reality, particularly in the bands identified for study in NTIA's 
Implementation Plan. Again, this process is not a zero-sum game; it 
should and will create mutual benefits. Federal agencies, including the 
Department of Defense, can maintain and in many cases upgrade or 
otherwise advance their vital operations, while commercial providers 
can build out innovative 5G networks nationwide to drive U.S. 
technological leadership worldwide.
    Government and industry should collaborate on initiatives to 
maximize spectrum use in any given band. Most immediately, we must 
advance presently viable spectrum sharing regimes; when fully clearing 
a spectrum band for new uses is not practical, coordinated sharing 
through proven methods can be a solution. Government and industry 
should collaborate to advance ``static'' sharing, in which parties 
benefit from predictable spectrum access by coordinating their use over 
geography, time, or frequency. These sharing methods provide 
coordinated access and certainty, and technological developments are 
increasing the precision of these sharing methods. We should focus 
immediately on these proven models of sharing to advance our national 
interest in maintaining 5G leadership globally.
    In parallel over the long term, we should also seek breakthroughs 
in ``dynamic'' spectrum sharing--in which each party's use of 
frequencies changes dynamically according to real-time needs--to 
overcome existing practical impediments to real-world implementation. 
Such breakthroughs will likely take years to become practically and 
economically viable at scale, and U.S. global leadership and 
collaboration with allies will be required to address the need for 
global harmonization and scale sufficient to support diverse and 
competitive trusted suppliers in such a sharing environment. Absent 
strategic leadership, bespoke U.S.-only sharing frameworks could mean 
we deploy more slowly than other countries that simply implement 
globally harmonized, standardized frameworks, and the custom sharing 
solutions would be so circumstance-specific that they would have no 
global market.
    In conclusion, U.S. spectrum leadership is directly pertinent to a 
secure supply chain and application ecosystem, and thus to our core 
national security interests. We must not walk away from globally 
harmonized bands and cede the supply chain to China. Rather, we must 
undertake immediate steps to maintain U.S. leadership in spectrum 
policy to secure the technology future.
    This will require recognizing that spectrum policy is not a fight 
between commercial interests and national security. That binary frame 
is a false and dangerous dichotomy in the twenty-first century, when 
U.S. national security derives from economic strength and technological 
innovation as much as traditional sources of power.
    I look forward to your questions.

    The Chair. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Ms. Rinaldo, 
thank you for being here to talk about Open RAN and what 
advantages that would give the U.S. on technology. Thank you.

       STATEMENT OF DIANE RINALDO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,
                  OPEN RAN POLICY COALITION

    Ms. Rinaldo. Well, wonderful. Thank you to Chairman 
Cantwell, Senator Cruz, and members of this Committee. My name 
is Diane Rinaldo, and I am the Executive Director of the Open 
RAN Policy Coalition.
    On behalf of the Coalition, I am grateful for this 
opportunity to discuss the transformational role of open and 
interoperable solutions, particularly as we navigate the 
implementation of 5G technology and prepare for 6G and beyond.
    My goal today is to paint a picture of American innovation, 
regained opportunity, and economic alternatives, but none of 
this could happen without the lifeblood of our industry, the 
spectrum.
    Put simply, we cannot deploy more Open RAN and reap its 
benefits unless we have a sufficient amount of licensed 
spectrum which powers the G's and Open RAN. Right now, we do 
not, and this committee can play a central role in addressing 
that shortfall.
    Founded in 2020, the Open RAN Policy Coalition promotes 
policies to drive the adoption of Open RAN. Our coalition 
represents a diverse group of communication and technology 
companies unified under a common goal, dismantling 
technological and market barriers to cultivate a competitive, 
secure, and resilient wireless market. Since launching the 
Coalition, Open RAN has seen tremendous growth with more than 
100 global deployments, including the world's largest right 
here in the U.S. with Dish Wireless.
    ORAN has achieved its initial goal of providing additional 
vendor choice for mobile operators. However, our story is far 
from complete, and more work must be done. Today, most of the 
work from the Coalition is focused on international efforts.
    As developing nations look to deploy 5G, Open RAN is a 
viable and desirable option, offering a cost effective and 
adaptable solution. And while our education mission at the 
Coalition is incredibly important to bring heightened awareness 
to international partners, Coalition members are eager to 
benefit from deployments here in the U.S.
    Unfortunately, additional movement in the U.S. has been 
handicapped due to the expiration of spectrum auction 
authority. With no new bands in the pipeline for future 
deployments, Open RAN has limited opportunities to grow. 
Furthermore, the FCC's Rip and Replace program is stalled due 
to lack of funding.
    The passage of the Secure Equipment Act in 2021 deemed 
Huawei and ZTE a national security threat, yet it still litters 
our networks. Huawei continues to service U.S. network 
functions, including software updates in rural communities. If 
additional funding is not forthcoming, we must develop a Plan 
B.
    Open RAN was a nascent concept when the FCC catalog was 
drafted three years ago. With the deployment of more than 100 
networks around the world, Open RAN is now a viable option and 
our Nation's rural carriers deserve more choice.
    The Coalition also continues to have productive 
conversations with the Department of Defense, specifically the 
future G and 5G cross-functional teams offices. DOD's use of 
commercially viable and available products stimulates the 
ecosystem while leveraging the best that industry has to offer.
    Most recently the Naval Air Station at Whidbey Island 
issued a contract to build a standalone 5G network. This 
project includes seven coalition--several coalition members 
including Dish Wireless, Cisco, JMA Wireless, and Intel.
    These partnerships build trust and are crucial and are 
crucial to the security and resiliency of our DOD networks. 
Last December, The Wall Street Journal wrote an article that 
Huawei expects 9 percent growth, with their Chairman claiming 
that they are back to business as usual.
    I know this article gave a lot of people heartburn. I am 
here today to tell you that we are your good news story. 
Coalition members over the past year, Nvidia up 262 percent, 
AMD up 115 percent, Broadcom up 100 percent, Microsoft up 50--
excuse me, 63 percent. Dish has deployed the world's largest 
global network, covering 73 percent of Americans. AT&T has made 
a $14 billion investment in Open RAN.
    Newcomers JMA Wireless, Cohere Technologies, and DeepSig 
are paving the way on private networks, spectral efficiencies 
in AI. There are 127, excuse me, companies participating in the 
Open RAN ecosystem from 21 different countries. The continued 
success is not a given. I implore this committee to reauthorize 
spectrum authority.
    That will give us the indispensable resource that we need 
to compete. The geopolitical battle for secured networks will 
not be won between governments but through market forces. Give 
us the tools we need to win at 3GPP.
    We hold the strategic advantage. The wind is at our back. 
It is time to hit the gas and not the brake. Thank you so much 
and I look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Rinaldo follows.]

       Prepared Statement of Diane Rinaldo, Executive Director, 
                       Open RAN Policy Coalition
    Chairwoman Cantwell, Senator Cruz, and Members of the Committee, my 
name is Diane Rinaldo, and I am the Executive Director of the Open RAN 
Policy Coalition. On behalf of the Coalition, I am grateful for this 
opportunity to discuss the transformational role of open and 
interoperable solutions in Radio Access Networks (what is commonly 
known as `Open RAN'), particularly as we navigate the implementation of 
5G technology and prepare for 6G and beyond.
    My goal today is to paint a picture of American innovation, 
regained opportunity, and economic alternatives, but none of this could 
happen without the lifeblood of our business, spectrum. Put simply, we 
cannot deploy more Open RAN and reap its supply chain security benefits 
unless we have a sufficient amount of licensed spectrum--the Gs and 
Open RAN run on licensed--in the pipeline. Right now, we do not, and 
this Committee can play a central role in addressing that shortfall.
Launch of the Coalition
    Founded in 2020, the Open RAN Policy Coalition promotes policies to 
drive the adoption of open and interoperable solutions in RAN. Our 
coalition represents a diverse group of communication and technology 
companies unified under a common goal: dismantling technological and 
market barriers to cultivate a competitive, secure, and resilient 
wireless market. Our members include carriers, vendors, cybersecurity 
and cloud service providers, innovators, startups, and established 
technology companies, all committed to the collective health of the 
competitive and diverse mobile ecosystem. This initiative transcends 
technological advancement; it represents a strategic shift towards 
fostering innovation, stimulating competition, and broadening the 
supply chain for next-generation wireless technologies, including 5G.
    The deployment of advanced mobile networks like 5G is at a pivotal 
moment, not only for technology policy but for economic security and 
global connectivity. Open RAN is at the heart of this transformation, 
influencing how we approach economic and security challenges. A robust 
and diverse supply chain is critical, and international cooperation on 
wireless technology is now more vital than ever.
    Since launching the Coalition, Open RAN has seen tremendous growth, 
with more than 100 global deployments. It has achieved its initial goal 
of providing additional vendor choice for mobile operations; however, 
our story is far from complete, and more work must be done.
Global Challenges
    The undeniable truth is that we face global challenges in 
maintaining our competitive edge. The Chinese Communist Party's Belt 
and Road initiative and Digital Silk Road, with more than 150 
participating countries, is a CCP strategic security initiative based 
on prioritized networking deployments. Beijing's ``national champions'' 
such as Huawei and ZTE are competing against U.S. and other free 
market-based companies at a significant advantage, enjoying the full 
financial backing of the Chinese Communist Party and with the strategic 
intent of creating vendor lock-in. While Open RAN reduces costs in 
hardware and software and creates the possibility of breaking vendor 
lock-in, these heavy foreign investments tip the scales more than those 
cost savings can ever compete with.
    My experiences in various roles, including on the House 
Intelligence Committee and as the head of the NTIA, have highlighted 
the persistent issue of developing nations' financial constraints, 
which make them susceptible to predatory moves by malign actors, such 
as the CCP. To close that funding gap, we must simplify and expedite 
the processes for our companies to compete effectively on what is an 
artificially uneven playing field. Globally harmonized spectrum for 
trusted suppliers provides one important element to do just that.
    The Coalition's global engagement spans over 80 countries, 
promoting open and interoperable telecommunications standards. This 
presence not only enhances connectivity and economic growth but also 
strengthens international relations. The Coalition's efforts in 
bridging the digital divide in underserved regions exemplifies our 
commitment to global leadership and technological advancement. We work 
with governments around the world at each stage of adoption. Regardless 
of the starting point, our work will drive governments upwards on the 
adoption curve, catalyzing private sector activity.
    Today, among its many engagements, the Coalition is focused on 
working with the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue and was tasked in 
September 2021 by its four members--Australia, Japan, India, and the 
United States--work toward synchronizing allied Open RAN development 
efforts. Since our first project, we have expanded that mission to 
include other important and like-minded countries. In 2024, we are 
expanding further to include support of the new Global Coalition on 
Telecommunications (GCOT), which includes the United Kingdom, Canada, 
Australia, Japan, and the United States, which will become the broadest 
governmental coalition to date.\1\
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    The journey of the Open RAN movement is a testament to innovation 
and opportunity based on robust competition in diverse markets. 
Conceptually and technically, this is the opposite of the CCP's command 
and control approach to supporting its ``national champions.'' To 
maintain momentum, we must adopt a holistic approach to countering 
global market distortions and developing competitive parity for U.S. 
and allied vendors. The Coalition seeks not to reinvent the wheel but 
to ease the path forward, ensuring the continued evolution and success 
of the telecommunications industry.
Where we are today:
    Today, most of the Coalition's work has been focused on 
international efforts. As developing nations look to deploy 5G, Open 
RAN is a viable and desirable option, offering a cost-effective and 
adaptable solution. And while our education mission at the Coalition is 
incredibly important to bring heightened awareness to international 
partners, Coalition members are eager to deploy in the United States. 
Unfortunately, additional movement in the U.S. has been handicapped due 
to the expiration of spectrum auction authority. With no new bands in 
the pipeline for future deployments, Open RAN has limited opportunities 
to grow further in the United States.
    Furthermore, the FCC's ``Rip and Replace'' program is stalled due 
to a lack of funding. The passage of the Secure Equipment Act in 2021 
deemed Huawei and ZTE a national security threat, yet it still litters 
our networks. Huawei continues to service U.S. network functions, 
including software updates in rural communities. If additional funding 
is not forthcoming, we must develop a Plan B. Open RAN was a nascent 
concept when the FCC catalog was drafted three years ago; with the 
deployment of more than 100 networks, Open RAN is now a viable option 
and our Nation's rural carriers deserve more options.
    The Coalition continues to have productive conversations with the 
Department of Defense, specifically the Future G and 5G Cross-
Functional Teams offices. DoD's use of commercially viable and 
available products stimulates the ecosystem while leveraging the best 
industry has to offer. Most recently, the Naval Air Station at Whidbey 
Island issued a contract to build a standalone 5G network. This project 
includes several members, including DISH Wireless, Cisco, JMA Wireless, 
and Intel. These partnerships build trust and are crucial to the 
security and resiliency of networks.
The Good News Story
    Last December, the Wall Street Journal wrote that Huawei Expects 9 
percent Revenue Growth, with their Chairman claiming they are back to 
``business as usual.'' I know this article gave a lot of people 
heartburn.
    I'm here today to tell you we are your good news story. Coalition 
members over the past year:

   Nvidia 262 percent

   AMD 115 percent

   Broadcom 100 percent

   Microsoft 63 percent

   DISH deployed the world's largest Open RAN to date

   AT&T invested $14 billion dollar in Open RAN

   Newcomers JMA Wireless, Cohere Technologies, and DeepSig are 
        leading in private networks, spectral efficiencies, and 
        artificial intelligence

   127 companies in 21 countries are now participating in the 
        Open RAN ecosystem

    Continued success is not a given. I implore this Committee to 
reauthorize spectrum auction authority that will give us the 
indispensable resource that we need to compete. The geopolitical battle 
for secure networks will not be won between governments; it can only be 
won by market forces. Give us the tools we need to win at 3GPP. We hold 
the strategic advantage, but we can't do this without you.
    Thank you and I look forward to your questions.

    The Chair. Thank you so much. Thank you for being here. Dr. 
Furchtgott-Roth, am I saying that correctly? No. Tell me the 
pronunciation.
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Furchtgott-Roth.
    The Chair. Furchtgott-Roth. Furchtgott-Roth, thank you so 
much for being here.
    I appreciate your testimony, particularly this fine point 
about Huawei's global network sales that continue today and how 
that really is leading some countries to continue to have--
espionage hostile countries, if you will, or terrorist groups 
are a threat against us.
    So, thank you for that in your testimony. Look forward to 
hearing the rest of it.

              STATEMENT OF HAROLD FURCHTGOTT-ROTH,
           SENIOR FELLOW AND DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR THE
           ECONOMIC OF THE INTERNET, HUDSON INSTITUTE

    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Chair Cantwell, Ranking Member Cruz, 
members of the Senate Commerce Committee, thank you for 
inviting me here today.
    Today's hearing is about the relationship between Federal 
spectrum policy and American national security. Some viewers 
view the two as a zero sum game. I disagree. I see the two as 
complementary. Attending to national security concerns protects 
commercial interests in spectrum, and robust commercial 
development to spectrum promotes American national security.
    For much of the past century, America has been the global 
leader in enabling new and innovative wireless services. 
Communications lawyers and policy practitioners such as those 
of us in this room call this spectrum policy.
    Most Americans are unfamiliar with the concept. They simply 
know that their smartphones and other wireless devices work, 
and they trust that our Government can keep us safe from new 
wireless military technologies, such as the types of drones 
that are currently being used in Ukraine.
    Sadly, American leadership in wireless technologies is now 
challenged not just from competitors abroad, but also from 
paralyzed domestic policy. The unthinkable has happened. The 
FCC's legal authority to hold auctions has lapsed.
    No new bands of Federal spectrum to transfer to the 
commercial sector are to be found, and coordination between the 
various Branches of Government on spectrum policy is absent. 
The end result? American leadership in international spectrum 
coordination wanes.
    Our global competitors speed ahead. American consumers are 
left behind. And our Nation's ability to be nimble in the midst 
of new forms of wireless warfare is potentially compromised.
    Let me tell you a secret, the greatest undeveloped natural 
resource in the world is spectrum. The country that harnesses 
it will control the 21st century. U.S. spectrum just a few 
decades--U.S. commercial spectrum just a few decades ago was 
worth about $10 billion. Today, it is worth more than $1 
trillion.
    Decades from now, our children will look back and laugh at 
the wireless technology of 2024. Technology will advance with 
or without new legislation. The Congress can--Congress cannot 
legislate technological change or economic growth.
    The Congress can make new technology and economic growth 
more likely by unleashing the extraordinary power of human 
resources, of the greatest scientists in the world, of the 
greatest engineers of the world, the greatest entrepreneurs in 
the world, and of the American consumer.
    The Cold War was won with stronger personal liberty and 
with the unrivaled economic power of the United States. And 
that is likely to be one of the great national security 
advantages that we will have in the 21st century if we, in 
fact, can unleash economic growth. There are four key steps 
Congress can take. More spectrum is transferred from Federal to 
non-Federal users.
    Much, if not most, of that spectrum used is for different 
commercial applications. All of the above, but including 
particularly full powered licensed applications, the most 
valuable form of spectrum today.
    Vital national security interest is not compromised, and 
substantial improvements in spectrum policy rights--and 
spectrum property rights, allowing more flexible use, less 
costly contract and lease arrangements, and improved 
enforcement against interference. The Spectrum Pipeline Act of 
2024 addresses the first three points. It is an excellent 
start.
    It would benefit American consumers enormously. They may 
not know what spectrum is or what policy is, but they will know 
when more competitors offer better and lower cost wireless 
services. The time to act is now. Be bold. Be decisive, not 
just for today, but for the rest of the 21st century. Thank you 
very much.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Furchtgott-Roth follows.]

  Prepared Statement of Dr. Harold Furchtgott-Roth, Senior Fellow and 
  Director, Center for the Economic of the Internet, Hudson Institute
    Chair Cantwell, Ranking Member Cruz, and Members of the Senate 
Commerce Committee, thank you for inviting me to testify before you 
today.
    Today's hearing is about the relationship between Federal spectrum 
policy and American national security. Some observers view national 
security concerns involving spectrum and commercial interests in 
spectrum as a zero-sum game: focusing on one of these priorities is to 
detriment the other. I disagree. I see the two as complementary: 
attending to national security concerns protects commercial interests 
in spectrum and robust commercial development of spectrum promotes 
American national security.
    For much of the past century, America has been the global leader in 
enabling new and innovative wireless services. Communications lawyers 
and policy practitioners call this spectrum policy. Most Americans are 
unfamiliar with the concept; they simply know that their smartphones 
and other mobile devices work. And they trust that our government can 
keep us safe from new wireless military technologies, such as the types 
of drones that are currently being used in the wars in Ukraine and in 
Gaza.
    American consumer electronic devices work because American policy 
decisions enable them to work. From competitive auctions for FCC 
licenses; to the development of unlicensed applications like Wi-Fi and 
Bluetooth; to the competitive market for private wireless providers; to 
new forms of wireless communications like 3G, 4G LTE, and now 5G; and 
to innovative new satellite services, America has led. Meanwhile, the 
rest of the world has followed.
    Sadly, American leadership in wireless technologies is now 
challenged not just from competitors abroad, but also from paralyzed 
domestic policy. The unthinkable has happened: the FCC's legal 
authority to hold auctions has lapsed; no new bands of Federal spectrum 
to transfer to the commercial sector for licensed or unlicensed 
purposes are to be found; and coordination between the various branches 
of government on spectrum policy is absent. The end result?
    American leadership in international spectrum coordination wanes. 
Our global competitors speed ahead. American consumers are left behind. 
And our Nation's ability to be nimble in the midst of new forms of 
wireless warfare is potentially compromised.
    Today I will compare the success of America's historical spectrum 
policy with today's comparatively weak spectrum policy and discuss the 
hazards this presents for American national security. I will also 
discuss the Spectrum Pipeline Act of 2024, a bill that will move 
America in the right direction on spectrum policy, as well as best 
practices for spectrum policy going forward.
                           I. Qualifications
    I am Senior Fellow and Director of the Center for the Economics of 
the Internet at the Hudson Institute. I am also president of an 
economic consulting firm, Furchtgott-Roth Economic Enterprises. 
Additionally, I am an adjunct professor at Brooklyn Law School, where I 
teach communications law, as well as at the University of Baltimore Law 
School, where I teach law and economics.
    From 1997 to 2001, I served as a Commissioner of the Federal 
Communications Commission, having been nominated by President Clinton 
and confirmed unanimously by the Senate. Previously, I was chief 
economist of the House Commerce Committee where, among other 
responsibilities, I worked on legislation that became the 
Telecommunications Act of 1996. After I left the FCC, I served for 
eight years on the Spectrum Advisory Committee to the Department of 
Commerce.
    I have in the past also served the Federal government on national 
security topics. I served on a Federal advisory committee on 
telecommunications for the National Security Agency. I was a research 
analyst at the Center for the Naval Analyses, a think tank for the 
Navy. Early in my career, I was an analyst in the National Security 
Division of the Congressional Budget Office and an intern in the 
National Security Division of the Office of Management and Budget. I 
received a Ph.D. in economics from Stanford University and an S.B. in 
economics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
    I have authored or coauthored four books and hundreds of reports 
and articles, many related to spectrum and national security. Together 
with my Hudson colleague Kirk Arner, I am currently writing a textbook 
on communications law informed with an economic perspective.
                    II. 19th Century Spectrum Policy
    Early development of spectrum in the middle and late 19th century 
was heavily focused on military applications. The U.S. Army helped 
develop overland wireless telegraphy, and the U.S. Navy in particular 
developed wireless telegraphy for communications between ships as well 
as between ships and land. At international conferences on spectrum in 
the late 19th and early 20th century, military interests in spectrum 
policy largely dominated the position of the U.S. government.
    For a century and half, the U.S. military has helped train 
generations of wireless engineers and technicians, as well as developed 
and adopted countless new wireless technologies. During that time, 
American wireless military technologies have been at least comparable 
to, and often better than, those of our adversaries.
 III. 1934-2009: American Leadership in Commercial Wireless Technology 
                          and Spectrum Policy
    For the 75 years between 1934 and 2009, the United States was 
unquestionably at the forefront of commercial spectrum policy due to 
its focus on private interests and competing commercial services rather 
than purely government ownership, which was a position that dominated 
in most other countries. U.S. commercial spectrum policy was heavy-
handed and far from perfect during much of this period, but it 
nevertheless tended to be more market-oriented than those of other 
countries. The end result was to the benefit of the United States and 
the entire world.
    To that end, one of the most successful economic policies in the 
last few decades has been the use of competitive auctions to transfer 
spectrum from Federal use to private use. In 1927, the Federal 
government claimed exclusive right to all wireless spectrum. Between 
1934 and 1994, the FCC would take small blocks of wireless spectrum and 
assign new licenses to political friends or to lottery winners who 
could game the system. Such assignments, today referred to as ``beauty 
pageants,'' took years, and the results do not make for a good civics 
lesson.
    Around 1960, Ronald Coase, a future economics Nobel Laureate, 
proposed assigning FCC licenses through an auction. At the time, 
Professor Coase was denounced as a crackpot by politicians, but over 
time, Coase's wisdom emerged. In 1994, Congress granted the FCC 
temporary auction authority.
    Over the next 30 years, large swaths of Federal spectrum have 
efficiently been transferred to commercial licensees. And until the 
past few years, Congress has routinely extended temporary auction 
authority every few years.
    While the U.S. Treasury has collected hundreds of billions of 
dollars in auction receipts, the far bigger winner has been the 
American consumer who today enjoys wireless devices and networks, the 
existence of which would have been impossible under 1994 spectrum 
allocations. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and nearly 
every country in the world has imitated American spectrum auction 
policy in subsequent years. Wireless services and the devices and 
software enabled by them, fostered in the United States, have done as 
much if not more than any other technology in human history to lift 
individuals out of poverty and provide opportunities for prosperity 
that would have otherwise been unimaginable.
    American spectrum policy innovations existed beyond just auction 
authority. These include private broadcasting; commercial space 
services; competitive commercial mobile wireless services, including 
Generations 1.0 through 4.0 of mobile wireless broadband and 
accompanying innovative handset markets; Part 15 unlicensed spectrum 
and associated applications; and spectrum license secondary markets.
    During this period, American national security was not adversely 
affected by spectrum policy. If anything, our national security was 
enhanced by a vibrant private sector of wireless technologies that 
helped develop and complement wireless military technologies. Competing 
demands for spectrum were rarely in conflict.
    The end result of better spectrum policy was a profoundly 
successful U.S. commercial wireless industry. By my estimates, wireless 
services were a substantial engine for economic growth in the United 
States between 1990 and 2010. New wireless services spawned the 
creation and development of countless businesses in the United States. 
Some are the largest in the world; others are small businesses. As with 
any competitive market, some have succeeded and some have failed. But 
all competed to develop new technologies and new wireless services.
    American consumers benefitted too. By my estimate, the consumer 
welfare value of commercial spectrum in the United States easily 
exceeds $10 trillion. Most of that value has been generated in the past 
35 years.
    Success in America generated imitation abroad. Other countries 
consciously emulated U.S. spectrum policy, creating independent 
regulatory agencies, allowing unlicensed devices, commencing spectrum 
auctions, and allowing competing commercial providers of wireless 
services. Even countries that remained avowedly ``communist'' all 
became implicitly ``capitalist'' with their embrace of commercial 
wireless competition. Other countries not only imitated the American 
commercial structure; they also uncharacteristically deferred to 
America in international fora such as the International 
Telecommunications Union and other technical standards-setting bodies.
    Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery. But in economics, 
imitation of a competitive market structure is a victory not to flatter 
America, but to benefit people around the world--particularly the 
poorest of the poor. Between 1987 and 2020, little more than a single 
generation, roughly a third of the world's population escaped the 
lowest form of subsistence to a higher rung on the income ladder. And 
more than 2 billion people today have a higher standard of living than 
their parents, likely the greatest leap in human welfare in history. I 
attribute much of that improvement to the development of commercial 
wireless technologies. Commercial wireless technologies are novel in 
their ability to reach rich and poor alike. They affect the lives of 
everyone but particularly those whose hope is most fragile.
    IV. The Last 15 Years of Spectrum Policy: America Loses its Edge
    Over roughly the last 15 years, the United States has lost its edge 
in spectrum policy. Partly, other countries have caught up. And partly, 
America has stumbled. There are several reasons why.
    First, because most other countries began allocating spectrum many 
decades after the United States, these countries have the advantage of 
not having vestiges of spectrum allocations that made technological 
sense decades ago but no longer make sense today. America is not so 
lucky.
    Second, American spectrum policy has not been particularly 
innovative over the past 15 years. Of course, record amounts of 
spectrum have been transferred from the Federal government to the FCC 
for auction. Additionally, new bands of spectrum have been reserved for 
unlicensed users. But the structure, and arguably the scale, of these 
developments were largely foreseeable in 2009. Worse yet, in the past 
few years, the Executive Branch has chosen not to make additional bands 
of Federal spectrum available for transfer to the FCC. The process of 
how these decisions are made is remarkably opaque. Yet the end result 
remains: today, there is no pipeline of Federal spectrum to transfer 
for commercial development.
    Third, FCC spectrum-related decisions are slow, costly, and 
cumbersome. This often prevents spectrum from being available to 
entities that can most efficiently use it. This result is not 
necessarily different from the pre-2009 period, but it diminishes 
American competitiveness. The exact property rights for the use of 
spectrum by both licensed and unlicensed spectrum are not well-defined, 
and where defined, they are not predictably enforced. Routine license 
transfer approvals can be delayed with little explanation or reason. 
Non-routine license transfers are even more complicated, sometimes 
requiring concessions unrelated to the licenses at issue. Sharing and 
leasing arrangements are slightly easier than before, but they are not 
as common as they should be in efficient spectrum markets. Interference 
within band and across bands is all too common, with slow enforcement 
mechanisms. The concept of an efficient spectrum market in which 
spectrum is put to its highest valued use will remain elusive until 
property rights are better defined; contract and lease rights are 
predictably and expeditiously executed at minimal costs; and 
protections from interference are predictably, expeditiously, and 
costlessly enforced. In the absence of efficient spectrum markets, 
interested parties are left to plead with government officials for 
special consideration; this differs little from a command-and-control 
economy or the ``beauty pageants'' of a pre-auction FCC.
    Fourth, no country has yet developed truly efficient spectrum 
markets, and the efficiency of spectrum markets in the United States, 
limited as it is, may yet be better than spectrum markets in other 
countries--but not all. Some countries, such as Korea, have strong 
executive administrations that can make expeditious decisions without 
the years of haggling that characterize American spectrum policy.
    Fifth, in the past 10 years in particular, public disagreements 
between Federal users--in particular, DoD users--on the one hand and 
commercial users on the other have emerged in several bands, including 
the L-Band, 3 GHz, C-Band, and 12 GHz. Other countries with militaries 
less focused on the wide array of technologies deployed by the U.S. 
have had fewer conflicts between government and private users.
    Sixth, FCC spectrum auction authority, for the first time, ended 
for an extended period of time. Shockingly, most countries in the world 
likely have governments with authority to auction spectrum--except the 
United States. Also, recommendations from NTIA to the FCC on not 
reallocating certain spectrum that would interfere with national 
security-sensitive Federal users were for the first time ignored. In an 
unseemly display, cabinet officials as private citizens have made 
public statements contradicting the positions of their agencies with 
regard to national security recommendations. And rather than coordinate 
exclusively through NTIA, some Federal agencies in recent years 
communicate independently with the FCC. Consequently, rather than hear 
a single voice from the administration, the FCC sometimes hears 
multiple voices, not all with the same message.
    Seventh, China complicated American spectrum policy 15 years ago by 
publicly proclaiming its intention to dominate 5G technology as a 
matter of official government policy. Over the past 120 years, many 
centrally-planned economies have announced ``5-year plans'' and other 
ambitions to develop and to dominate various technologies. All have 
failed miserably, with China's efforts in 5G as a notable exception.
    Finally, the Federal government does not have the means to assess 
the value of its spectrum holdings. No one knows how much they are 
worth. Could a private company approach the government and offer a 
large sum for a band of spectrum in a specific location either on a 
purchase or lease basis? No. By comparison, private parties can lease 
Federal land for grazing or other purposes, but not spectrum. 
Conversely, could a Federal agency approach a private company and offer 
a large sum for a band of spectrum in a specific location, either on a 
purchase or lease basis? No. We are very far from an efficient 
allocation of either Federal or non-federal spectrum.
    Perhaps the most visible manifestation of today's weak American 
spectrum policy can be seen in the success of Huawei's global network 
equipment sales. Despite widespread concerns in the intelligence 
communities of many countries, many of America's closest allies have 
approved the purchase of Huawei and ZTE network equipment. Substantial 
evidence has been accumulated demonstrating surreptitious information 
collection by China and other adversaries via Huawei and ZTE network 
equipment. Part of the concern is espionage by hostile countries, and 
part of the concern is sabotage not only by nation states but also by 
terrorist groups sophisticated enough to hack into relatively unsecure 
Huawei and ZTE equipment. Not only do these decisions enhance the 
finances of Huawei and ZTE, but they also undermine the national 
security of the United States and our allies.
    Perhaps even worse, the standing of the United States in 
international fora has fallen. The United States is more isolated at 
the ITU and American companies are less successful in international 
standards-setting bodies today than they were in previous years.
    In recent weeks, Americans have seen the harmful effects of 
wireless technologies controlled by our adversaries, including 
technologically unsophisticated ones. Attacks likely enhanced with 
wireless technologies killed American service members in the Middle 
East.
    Hostile drones frequently attack American ships in the Red Sea and 
the Gulf of Aden. When a wireless network suffers an outage in the 
United States, sabotage by our adversaries is immediately feared. 
Wireless networks have become frequent avenues for espionage and 
potentially for sabotage.
   V. Administration and Congressional Efforts to Fix Spectrum Policy
    Spectrum policy has never been a partisan issue, and therefore 
efforts to correct American spectrum policy should be bipartisan. Both 
the Biden administration and Congress recognize the weakness of 
American spectrum policy today. The administration has over the past 
several months introduced a ``National Spectrum Strategy'' that calls 
for a review of several bands of Federal spectrum that might be 
transferred to the FCC for reallocation to the commercial sector, 
including licensed spectrum. The National Spectrum Strategy is a good 
start, but the proposed timelines to complete studies for the review of 
various bands of spectrum--for which countless studies have previously 
been completed--are much too delayed. And crucially, while the Strategy 
calls for the studying of various bands for potential future use, it 
does not request the near-term teeing up a single speck of spectrum for 
Federal auction.
    Several bills have been introduced in Congress to remedy American 
spectrum policy, but I would like to recommend one in particular 
introduced by Senator Cruz together with Senator Thune and Senator 
Blackburn: the Spectrum Pipeline Act of 2024.
                 VI. The Spectrum Pipeline Act of 2024
    This bill contains much-needed statutory language that would repair 
a recently broken system. Here are a few examples:

   Extending auction authority: The Act would extend auction 
        authority generally for five years and for several more years 
        for identifiable bands of spectrum. Of course, one day, 
        Congress ought to extend it permanently.

   Identifying Federal spectrum to transfer to the FCC: For the 
        first time in decades, no Federal spectrum is scheduled to 
        transfer to the FCC and the private sector. The Act would 
        require the Department of Commerce to identify 1250 megahertz 
        of spectrum to transfer to the FCC within 2 years, and 2500 
        megahertz of vital mid-band Federal spectrum to be transferred 
        within 5 years. These are large amounts of spectrum, but they 
        are consistent with the administration's National Spectrum 
        Strategy.

   Setting timelines for auctions: No major FCC spectrum 
        auctions are currently scheduled. The Act, by comparison, sets 
        an expeditious, tangible schedule for auctions of mid-band 
        spectrum. These will be important steps to get more licensed 
        spectrum for commercial use.

   Enhancing unlicensed services: Unlicensed services like Wi-
        Fi work in tandem with licensed services such as 4G LTE and 5G 
        mobile broadband. The Act would require the FCC to identify at 
        least 125 megahertz for unlicensed spectrum.

   Avoiding earmarks for spectrum auction receipts: The Act 
        does not earmark FCC spectrum auction receipts to fund specific 
        pet programs. Such earmarks distort spectrum policy and 
        conflate it with other policy objectives. Instead, receipts 
        would, under current law, go to the U.S. Treasury, a small but 
        much needed boost to reduce a Federal debt of $35 trillion--and 
        growing.

   Brevity and narrowness: The Act is efficiently brief and 
        does not delve into extraneous concerns.
                   VII. Spectrum Policy Going Forward
    The Spectrum Pipeline Act is an important, but not final, step for 
spectrum policy going forward. The 21st century is, and will continue 
to be, the wireless century. Today, we look back at wireless 
technologies of just a decade or two ago, and we recognize how 
primitive those technologies are today. A few decades from now, our 
children will look back at the wireless technologies of today and 
similarly think of how primitive they were.
    One cannot know the specifics of future technologies, but there is 
no doubt that new wireless technologies have yet to be imagined. We can 
take the steps necessary today to create a hospitable environment for 
those new technologies. At its foundation, this involves an environment 
based on market mechanisms: clear property rights for spectrum; clear 
contract rights for spectrum; and clear tort remedies for interference 
with spectrum.
    Coase's Theorem, as it has come to be known, posited that absent 
transaction costs, negotiations between private parties over privately 
owned assets results in the assets being put to their highest-value and 
most economically efficient use. Under these market conditions, 
according to Coase and common sense, spectrum will be put to its best 
and highest-value use. These are policy criteria that cannot be easily 
legislated. America needs policy leaders who will strive to allow 
efficient market principles, not command-and-control decisions, to 
direct Federal spectrum policy.
    Our national security will be enhanced if the greatest advances in 
wireless technology are once again in the United States and if 
countries around the world once again look to the United States for 
leadership in spectrum policy. We need more spectrum in the commercial 
sector, spectrum that can be put to higher valued uses. The Spectrum 
Pipeline Act of 2024 is an excellent start.
    Our adversaries will take the opposite approach. They will seek to 
control new wireless technologies with better centralized planning and 
more government control. As long as we remain committed to efficient 
market solutions, their efforts will fail.

    The Chair. Thank you very much to all the witnesses. I 
think you did a great job at setting the stage for the need, 
the urgent need for the United States to lead in what will be 
the technology--communication technology of the future, and 
certainly laid out some of our immediate challenges as it 
relates to China.
    I wanted to start with you, Dr. Ghosh, you mentioned this. 
Well, everybody is on one note very crisply, solve the Rip and 
Replace problem. So, thank you for that and we are trying. 
Definitely want to try to further our efforts there 
aggressively.
    And I think it is you, Mr. Johnson, who talked about--no, 
Ms. Rinaldo--I mean, I am definitely in support of a, what I 
would call a technology NATO. You know, the countries that you 
mentioned, Australia, Japan, India, the United States working 
collectively on setting the standard for technology.
    You know, you can't have government backdoors. You can't 
have these kinds of violations. And we say to the rest of the 
world community, these are the standards by which you buy 
technology. I think that would be very helpful today. So, 
definitely supportive. But this notion of continued R&D.
    Listen, we all wish we could have moved forward a year ago, 
but not all our colleagues were on board with that, and they 
were successful at convincing some not to move forward. But, 
your notion of continued R&D investment, how do we achieve 
that?
    How do we achieve what you are talking about as it relates 
to really catapulting the U.S. into continued leadership 
position here?
    Dr. Ghosh. Thank you for that question. So, the National 
Science Foundation is the lead research agency for the country, 
and, they have done a fabulous job of funding most of the R&D 
that has happened.
    In the recent past, we have had other agencies like NTIA 
also come in with research funding to help the--grow this 
ecosystem of spectrum research, as well as things like ORAN. I 
really think when we look at advancing R&D, it shouldn't be off 
in a silo by itself.
    The better we integrate academia with industry, with 
Government, to tackle the really important problems facing us 
today in this world of communications, the more effect that 
research funding will have.
    The Spectrum X, the research center that I am a part of, 
which is led by the University of Notre Dame, is an excellent 
example of one way that we can go about getting this research 
funding out. It is a nationwide center.
    It has about 47 and growing number of universities. It is a 
way to educate the next generation, the workforce needs. We 
have heard from a lot of the agencies that the spectrum 
workforce is aging, and we need the next generation to be 
educated in all of the various aspects, starting from the 
engineering and technical, to the policy aspects.
    The Chair. And what do you do, because I want to ask Mr. 
Johnson a question. So quickly, what do you do about the 
national security element? Do we figure out how to get more 
collaborative dialog with people who have national security 
clearances? You know, how do we solve that problem?
    Dr. Ghosh. I think that--I mean, I have a security 
clearance. A lot of academics at Notre Dame do. We are involved 
in, you know, DARPA projects, DOD projects. I think getting 
those connections done better would definitely help take what 
is happening in the research labs and getting them into the 
hands of the military, of the science agencies, of even 
commercial industry.
    The Chair. Mr. Johnson, your artery analogy is so apt. And 
so, what is it that you think that we need to do now that would 
help unleash that? Even though we have had this, you know, 
report on dynamic spectrum sharing, is there some artery 
unclogging that we could do today?
    Mr. Johnson. Absolutely. And the great thing is that I 
think all Senators and Representatives, all of the leaders of 
Article--of the Article I branch know that we need a pipeline.
    And that is--it needs to be concrete. It needs to provide a 
pipeline of additional commercial spectrum, with the screaming 
need being the wide area coverage where we are two and a half 
times behind China.
    The Chair. And how important is that to get started now?
    Mr. Johnson. Absolutely crucial. Every day we are falling 
behind. So, we need a statute to make that happen.
    The Chair. Thank you. Senator Cruz.
    Senator Cruz. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Johnson let's 
follow up on what you were just saying. You stated in your 
testimony that, ``we are in danger of falling far behind China 
in mid-band licensed spectrum that can support wide area 
coverage.''
    I very much agree, and I am worried that this gap will have 
repercussions beyond 5G and 6G and will harm our leadership in 
the industries built on top of wireless networks, from advanced 
manufacturing to AI, to next generation app development.
    Mr. Johnson, in your judgment, why is legislation like the 
Spectrum Pipeline Act, with defined timelines for auctions, so 
critical to preventing our adversaries from overtaking U.S. 
wireless leadership?
    Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Senator. We have a national 
spectrum strategy. We have an implementation plan. We have 
studies. What we need is a pipeline. All of those things lead 
to a pipeline, but we can't get to a pipeline without a 
statute.
    And so, we need a statute that gives the FCC the authority 
that it has had--it had for 30 years until a year ago, and so 
that they can--so we can have a new pipeline, particularly for 
where we are so far behind in the wide area coverage licensed 
mid-band.
    Senator Cruz. And expand on that for a moment. Why is 
licensed wide area, full power coverage such a critical part of 
America's spectrum pipeline?
    Mr. Johnson. I would say for two reasons. One negative--one 
is it is the only part of our ecosystem where we are behind. We 
have the best weapons and defense systems in the world. As Mary 
articulated, we have the best unlicensed and Wi-Fi capabilities 
in the world.
    We are falling--we presently have the best network 
infrastructure in the world, but we are in danger of falling 
behind. And it is that network infrastructure that will be a 
crucial component of the future 5G infrastructure.
    That is what is built by Huawei and ZTE and others. So, we 
have to secure that as is evidenced by the Rip and Replace 
need. So, we have to secure the infrastructure and that is 
where the arteries, so to speak, come into play.
    Senator Cruz. Thank you. Dr. Furchtgott-Roth, you are a 
well-respected economist and a former FCC Commissioner. I have 
to say, I am concerned by your assessment of the paralyzed 
state of our domestic spectrum policy. Do we need more studies 
and deliberation, or do we need real action to restore our 
wireless leadership?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Senator, we need action. We don't need 
more studies. We don't need more committees or bureaucracies. 
We need action.
    Senator Cruz. And speaking as an economist, how important 
are strong property rights in promoting an efficient spectrum 
marketplace? If licenses are shared either with Federal users 
or among commercial users, how would that limit the ability of 
licenses to maximize their spectrum resources?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Property rights are extraordinarily 
important for efficient markets and for economic growth. There 
can be property rights in all different types of spectrum, and 
different usage arrangements, but we need to clarify those.
    And the Nation that leads in defining better property 
rights in spectrum is the nation, I believe, that will dominate 
the 21st century.
    Senator Cruz. Thank you. Ms. Rinaldo, you have stressed the 
importance of a spectrum pipeline to broaden the supply chain 
for next generation wireless networks. Putting on your hat as 
the former acting head of NTIA, can pipeline legislation and 
incentives for agencies to move out of certain bands help to 
break the bureaucratic logjam in getting licensed spectrum into 
the marketplace?
    Ms. Rinaldo. Absolutely. I think that is the one thing that 
we have consistently seen across the board. Money is not a 
motivating factor for the agency, so we need to re-imagine 
incentives that are going to allow them to move in and upgrade 
their technologies.
    Senator Cruz. And in your judgment, how will the Spectrum 
Pipeline Act of 2024 open the door for U.S. manufacturers like 
Mavenir, a homegrown Texas company, Nvidia, and Broadcom to 
compete against Huawei and ZTE, and to encourage foreign 
companies to manufacture more equipment in the U.S., as Samsung 
has done recently in Texas.
    Ms. Rinaldo. Yes, it might sound cliche, but first movers' 
advantage, and we have seen that already, especially in your 
backyard at Telecom Corridor in Dallas with Fujitsu, who moved 
their networking business here about 2 years ago.
    Senator Cruz. And Ms. Brown, I also believe the United 
States needs to maintain its leadership in Wi-Fi, which is why 
the Spectrum Pipeline Act of 2024 requires the FCC to allocate 
at least 125 MHz for unlicensed use, and potentially up to 
1,250 MHz. How would the unlicensed allocation and the Spectrum 
Pipeline Act help us counter Huawei and ZTE's influence abroad?
    Ms. Brown. Well, first of all, thank you for that part of 
your bill. That would be an extremely helpful addition to the 
unlicensed portfolio, particularly if we can position it 
contiguous to the existing 6 Gigahertz band for which there are 
already standards and for which we could ship equipment 
tomorrow.
    So, that would be a tremendous show of American leadership 
as the world continues to look at this part of the spectrum. If 
we learned anything from the World Radio Conference, if we 
stick together as a country, we can get done what we need to 
get done. And that would be a great asset to the Wi-Fi 
community.
    Senator Cruz. Thank you.
    The Chair. Senator Welch.

                STATEMENT OF HON. PETER WELCH, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM VERMONT

    Senator Welch. Thank you very much. Madam Chair and Ranking 
Member, I want to thank you for this hearing. And I want to 
thank the witnesses too.
    I am new to this committee, but this has been extremely 
informative, and I really appreciate getting the context and 
how urgent it is that we resolve these problems so that we do 
have the best situation in the world. I am going to take my 
opportunity to talk about something a little bit different 
because it is so urgent and that is the Affordable Connectivity 
Program.
    It is about to expire, and that is really literally at the 
other end of what we are discussing now. It is for lower income 
folks around the country to be able to connect to the internet. 
In this Congress, bipartisan support, we have done an enormous 
amount, especially as a result of COVID where there was a 
recognition that being on the internet, having access to that 
was really critical for the well-being of our--all of our 
families, where folks, couldn't go to school unless they had 
the internet. They couldn't get a doctor's point without the 
internet.
    And we have built out the internet, but that--it is no good 
if you can't afford to get on it. If you are that family who 
makes $15,000 a year, has two kids, and you are trying to 
figure out how you can pay your bills and afford food.
    So, the Affordable Connectivity Program is $30 bucks a 
month help to these families all around the country, millions. 
In Vermont, it is like 25,000 families and it is expiring. And 
one of the big challenges we have--because there is broad 
support for the program.
    It affects all of our communities, whether we are in a red 
state or a blue state. And it is evidenced by the bipartisan 
support we have for the efforts to do it. Ben Ray Lujan has 
been doing an immense amount of work on that. But we have many 
colleagues on this committee, Senators Vance and Rosen, Senator 
Cramer, have been very supportive.
    And one of the challenges is how are we going to pay, it is 
about $7 billion, in order to keep that going. So, Madam Chair, 
I have mentioned this to you, I know others have, and I know 
there is enormous demands. Whenever there is any money that may 
be available, the spectrum auction is one of the sources that 
may possibly be able to allow us to continue this program.
    But it really, really is urgent. And along the way, as we 
are reconsidering how to do it and keep it going, if there is 
reforms that make it more efficient, deal with improvements. I 
know, Senator Capito, you have mentioned some concerns that you 
have had.
    And Senator Wicker, I know you have as well. Let's do it. 
You know, let's make it better. Let's make it more efficient. 
But the bottom line, I think, is that we really have to 
continue the Affordable Connectivity Program.
    Otherwise, folks who are, fairly dependent on their 30 
bucks in order to maintain connectivity are going to fall off. 
And surveys have indicated they really will. And will they get 
back on? Probably not. So, this is a real setback for kids and 
especially in rural America, and families in rural America that 
are absolutely the same as the rest of us.
    They need access to the internet, just like folks in rural 
America needed access to electricity back in the 30s. And we 
made a decision that it was worth it socially, for the benefit 
of our country, to electrify America. We have made that same 
decision here, but we have got to keep it affordable.
    So, Madam Chair, thank you for your indulgence in letting 
me make my case to fund the Affordable Connectivity Program. 
Thank you. I yield back.
    The Chair. Well heard. Well heard. Senator Wicker.

                STATEMENT OF HON. ROGER WICKER, 
                 U.S. SENATOR FROM MISSISSIPPI

    Senator Wicker. Thank you very much. Let's see, so much 
talent and brainpower at the table. Where to start? Back a few 
years ago, we passed a bill called the Beat China to 5G Act. 
Led to the successful auction of 3.45 to 3.55 Gigahertz band.
    This auction required DOD to compress its systems--let's go 
to you, Mr. Johnson. You may have even been with us then. To 
compress its systems into the lower part of the 3 Gigahertz 
band.
    Now, NTIA is studying whether we should do that again. Is 
this an option? It is--will compression work again as an option 
for DOD and other incumbent Federal users? If not, what is the 
way forward there?
    Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Senator, and thanks for your 
leadership on that bill and so many other of these bipartisan 
initiatives. I think that is a great example because it shows 
we can do this. We are actually better than any----
    Senator Wicker. Can we do it again?
    Mr. Johnson. We can do it, and we can do it again. And the 
better that we get at doing it is, as Mr. Furchtgott-Roth and 
Monisha have said, the better we get at doing it, the stronger 
we will be and the stronger we will be in the 21st century.
    Senator Wicker. OK. Who disagrees with that? Ms. Brown.
    Ms. Brown. I think when we look at new bands today, we need 
to evaluate them from three perspectives.
    Senator Wicker. Oh, OK. Well, let's see, I have only got a 
moment or two. But you fundamentally don't agree with----
    Ms. Brown. Right.
    Senator Wicker.--and I think Dr. Ghosh, you don't either. 
OK, would you supplement your answers for the record so that I 
can proceed?
    Ms. Brown. We will.
    Senator Wicker. Let me ask you this, Dr. Furchtgott-Roth 
about proposed Biden Administration policies. Digital 
discrimination rules. Will that make it more costly for 
broadband providers to connect unserved and underserved 
Americans that Senator Welch is concerned about?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Senator, depends on how they are 
implemented. But there is a great risk that the rules will make 
it more costly for providers to provide broadband services to 
all----
    Senator Wicker. What might the rules contain that we need 
to avoid?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. I wouldn't want to prejudge what the 
Commission will come up with, but if they impose any 
requirements that lead to greater costs of service, those costs 
will be shared by all Americans.
    Senator Wicker. And the Biden FCC, predictably, has begun 
laying the groundwork to reinstate 1930s regulations. What 
about that?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. I assume you may be referring to 
network neutrality----
    Senator Wicker. I don't like net neutrality because I think 
it is a misnomer.
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. It sounds like a Swiss railway 
company, but yes I don't like the term either. But I don't 
think Title 2 should apply to----
    Senator Wicker. How would that affect investment?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Very negatively.
    Senator Wicker. When the ox was in the ditch here in the 
United States during COVID, we didn't have the so-called net 
neutrality, as compared to Europe. Europe kind of shut down, 
didn't they?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. That is right. They----
    Senator Wicker. We didn't have--we really didn't really 
have a problem, did we?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. No, sir, we did not.
    Senator Wicker. The talk is we did not distinguish 
ourselves as a country at the World Radio Communications 
Conference in December, and we kept relying on other countries 
and asking them what they thought. Have you heard that?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Yes, sir.
    Senator Wicker. Do you agree with that?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Yes.
    Senator Wicker. Well, does that give you concern?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. I have been concerned about the 
stature of the United States internationally, in international 
conferences, and in standard setting bodies for more than a 
decade now.
    Senator Wicker. OK. And then we you know, we have talked 
about Rip and Replace and these Chinese companies, but Chinese 
equipment remains in the networks of small rural providers and 
there is no auction authority. Is this a matter of concern?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Yes, sir, it is.
    Senator Wicker. And is it just a matter of not funding the 
Rip and Replace?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. No, it is all of the above. That is--
there is a lot of work to be done.
    Senator Wicker. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Madam 
Chair.
    The Chair. Thank you, Senator Wicker. Senator Capito.

            STATEMENT OF HON. SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, 
                U.S. SENATOR FROM WEST VIRGINIA

    Senator Capito. Thank you, Madam Chair. I thank all of you 
for being here today. Professor Ghosh, did I say your name 
correctly? Yes. Thank you. West Virginia needs--I am from West 
Virginia.
    We need more connectivity. But to close that digital 
divide, I have been technology neutral because we have a lot of 
mountains. Not every technology works in our state. And fixed 
wireless has shown some promise.
    So how do you see the role of fixed wireless after future 
auctions playing out in the rural areas?
    Dr. Ghosh. Thank you for that question. I think that rural 
connectivity is about more than just spectrum. It is about 
having deployments.
    So, you can have all the spectrum in the world, but if base 
stations are not deployed, you are not going to get coverage.
    And there are--we have done a lot of work with rural areas 
in Illinois where we have the same problem, where farms are not 
connected.
    So, I think we have to be more creative in getting rural 
and isolated communities connected. CBRS is actually proving to 
be a great alternative to doing that at, shared spectrum. But, 
if you have a satellite back----
    Senator Capito. Could you say, what is that, CB----
    Dr. Ghosh. CBRS. That is the Citizens Broadband Radio 
Service.
    Senator Capito. OK.
    Dr. Ghosh. That is shared spectrum 3.55 to 3.7 Gigahertz. 
It is shared with Navy radar, but the U.S. has led and coming 
up with a system of sharing that is very effective.
    Senator Capito. Would that be affected by an auction?
    Dr. Ghosh. It has already been auctioned. So that band is 
already available.
    Senator Capito. OK. That is already on, OK.
    Dr. Ghosh. It is already available. There are three ways 
that you can get to it. You can either have bought licenses at 
the auction that happened in 2021, I believe. Or you can also 
use it like an unlicensed--in an unlicensed mode called General 
Authorized Access, which gives you all of the benefits of 
having paid for auction.
    And the real benefits that you get with CBRS as compared to 
either Wi-Fi or cellular is it is a frequency band that 
propagates very far, much further than Wi-Fi does. And in terms 
of cellular, it--you don't have to pay to access that spectrum.
    So, this is working very well. Many communities, even in, 
South Bend, we have a deployment with CBRS, was deployed by the 
City of South Bend to serve its lower income students. It is 
not an underserved area.
    There are other options, but you know, talking about the 
ACP and looking for ways to get it more affordable, CBRS is 
offering that option for communities to take control of their 
connectivity needs.
    Senator Capito. OK. Ms. Brown, we have a--the national 
radio quiet zone is in West Virginia.
    And, we have half of that, but it restricts transmissions 
to allow for--so that it allows for advanced scientific 
research and other sensitive technology operates without 
interference. And we are--a very remote part of our state, but 
we are running into problems here is it also conflicts with the 
9-1-1 service and the ability to deliver service.
    So, when you have a conflict like that, how in those 
sensitive areas can we continue to work so that you can you do 
the innovation that you need to do on the--in the quiet zone 
area, but you can still serve your citizens on the 9-1-1? Does 
anybody have an answer for that?
    Ms. Brown. That is a difficult question when you have quiet 
zones.
    And that requires a lot of technical analysis to look at, 
are there wireless signals that could be propagated at low 
power, at a low level in order to deliver the 9-1-1 technology 
that you need while not interfering with the radio astronomy.
    Radio astronomy also has a number of bands available to it. 
And it may be that you have to ascertain which of those bands 
is going to be best if you are concerned about having 9-1-1 
connectivity at that facility.
    Senator Capito. OK.
    Ms. Brown. It is an engineering problem, yes.
    Senator Capito. Yes, well, I mean, I am thinking about the 
folks out in Pocahontas County where this is located.
    They are going to need some technical expertise. Obviously, 
the state can help, but this has been a chronic issue out 
there. So, I am going to ask just a general question.
    I don't have all that much time left, like 35 seconds, but 
if a regular citizen is sitting here listening about, we are 
going to auction spectrum, what does that mean to them? So, who 
wants to take that? We will give it to one person. Yes.
    Ms. Rinaldo. So, I think when you bring additional spectrum 
online, it is going to improve the user's experience. What we 
have seen across the networks is that we are at capacity. And 
so, if we are able to bring more spectrum, you are going to be 
able to get stronger, faster, more resilient signal.
    Senator Capito. So, what I think of somebody who maybe is 
in an unserved and underserved area who has gotten--who has 
been promised and hopefully through the IIJA we are going to be 
able to deliver this, I think what they hear is we are going to 
improve all of the things that have already been improved upon 
and you are still going to be left behind.
    Ms. Rinaldo. You know, no, it is absolutely, it is 
incumbent upon us to articulate how we can get more coverage 
out to our rural communities and that is a big part of this as 
well. And we are exactly where the spectrum bands are coming 
into play. And then the carriers are able to build out in your 
area.
    Senator Capito. All right. Thank you.
    The Chair. Thank you. Senator Rosen. Hold on a second, we 
have a sound issue with you.
    Senator Rosen. OK.
    The Chair. There you go.
    Senator Rosen. Can you hear me now?
    The Chair. Yes, we can.

                 STATEMENT OF HON. JACKY ROSEN, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM NEVADA

    Senator Rosen. Oh, perfect. Well, I was just thanking you, 
and thanking you for holding this really important hearing 
because all of the spectrum issues, it really makes a huge 
difference. And last week, I was proud to lead 33 Senators in 
calling on Congressional leadership to fully fund both the 
FCC's Rip and Replace program and the Affordable Connectivity 
Program. In 2020, Congress created a Rip and Replace program, 
which requires companies to remove untrusted, untrusted network 
equipment.
    While critical to our national security, the program has 
only been funded at 40 percent, so this is forcing our small 
and our rural providers to eliminate coverage, absolutely just 
eliminate across our networks. In Nevada, one company stated, 
they are going to have to reduce service to about 26,000 mi\2\ 
as a result.
    And this is cutting off wireless access and emergency 
services to Nevadans in rural areas. And likewise, the ACP 
program has been pivotal for helping close that digital divide, 
and nearly 9 percent of Nevadans use this benefit to lower 
their cost of Internet bill each month. But without additional 
funding, this program is going to lapse by the end of April.
    So, I recognize that reauthorizing the FCC spectrum 
authority, auction authority opens up a lot of revenue, which 
could be used for funding these vital programs and others, and 
I remain committed to working across the aisle to find a path 
forward for both Rip and Replace and ACP to ensure that our 
networks remain secure, and that Nevadans can get coverage.
    And so, with Rip and Replace, we have seen the real world 
impacts of failing to lead in innovation and provide 
meaningful, innovative alternatives for untrusted foreign 
equipment. The U.S. has made progress, some progress in 
removing high risk Chinese equipment like Huawei and ZTE.
    But we must lead the way--we have to also lead the way in 
offering alternatives. And so, Professor Ghosh, how can U.S. 
spectrum policy contribute to growing an ecosystem that 
provides meaningful alternatives to untrusted network equipment 
manufacturers?
    Dr. Ghosh. Thank you for that question.
    As I have said before, I think by having well-thought-out, 
rounded spectrum policy that is not exclusively focused on 
exclusively licensed spectrum but also looks at other ways of 
getting spectrum into the hands of people so they can manage 
their own connectivity better is absolutely crucial.
    So, especially when we are looking at the spectrum 
congestion that we face, especially in the mid-bands, it is 
absolutely essential that we do this better than we are doing 
it now. Just having more spectrum does not equate to better 
connectivity if the actual infrastructure is not deployed.
    Senator Rosen. Thank you. And I appreciate that.
    And I am going to ask Mr. Johnson, you know, if we don't 
have a clear and unified domestic spectrum policy, as you are 
hearing about spectrum congestion and somehow some of these 
things are being used, is there a risk that the U.S. becomes a 
spectrum island?
    And what does that mean for our national security if we 
don't have a good policy that addresses some of these issues 
going forward?
    Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Senator. I think what it means, 
specifically, if we are--if the United States is a spectrum 
island, we and our, the global technology ecosystem will be 
surrounded by Chinese technology.
    So, if we think Huawei and ZTE and TikTok and other Chinese 
national champions are a problem, and I certainly do, then if 
we are an island, we will be surrounded by that problem.
    And in that case, I don't think there--I am concerned, as a 
former Army officer, that there are no weapons systems or 
defense systems that can secure our national interests in that 
setting.
    Senator Rosen. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. I am 
going to move now to talk about Open RAN, which is one of the 
ways that U.S. is leading by advancing a new--a new 
communications framework through, like I said, Open RAN.
    After launching the first 5G Open RAN network in Las Vegas 
in 2021, Dish has expanded their network to over 70 percent of 
the country. And so, I was very proud to support the CHIPS and 
Science Act, which included $1.5 billion for the Wireless 
Innovation Fund, which just announced funding for an Open RAN 
lab to talk about this new innovation, things we have to do, to 
allow carriers to test their equipment on the Open RAN network.
    So, Ms. Rinaldo, what more can Congress do to support the 
Open RAN model and other types of wireless innovation?
    Ms. Rinaldo. Thank you, Senator. There is so much that 
still can be done. Encourage NTIA to disperse the additional 
$1.4 billion that they have. It needs to go out in the next two 
to three years. International assistance programs haven't 
worked for the telecom industry.
    We need to take the tools that we have and make them work 
better for us. We are dealing with Chinese Communist Party 
market distortions around the world. So how can we take the XM 
Bank, the DFC, make it more usable for our industry?
    I would also say to the Senators, as you travel and talk to 
your counterparts around the world, ask them where they are in 
the build, who they are using in their networks. I think the 
additional education and inattention really does make a global 
difference.
    And then, just we have had a great working relationship 
with Congress, with the Administration, so it is good to have 
everyone on the same page on this one. And it has made a 
tremendous difference in the last 4 years in bringing Open RAN 
from just a concept to over 100 global deployments.
    Senator Rosen. Well, thank you for that. I have some 
questions for the record. I know my time is up. I am very 
interested in discussing the dynamic spectrum sharing and will 
be submitting that for the record. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    The Chair. Thank you. Senator Fischer.

                 STATEMENT OF HON. DEB FISCHER, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM NEBRASKA

    Senator Fischer. Thank you, Madam Chair, and also thanks to 
our Ranking Member for holding this hearing today. The defense 
of U.S. networks is critical as foreign threats grow, 
particularly those in China. For this reason, removing high 
risk Chinese equipment from our communication networks should 
be paramount to this committee's work.
    Congress cannot simply watch as networks go dark. My 
bipartisan bill, the Defend Our Networks Act, would tackle this 
problem head on. This program shortfall needs our attention, 
and it needs it now. To that end, I would like to enter into 
the record this letter from impacted carriers.
    The Chair. Without objection.
    [The information referred to follows:]

                           Competitive Carriers Association
                                                      March 6, 2024

Hon. Mike Johnson,                    Hon. Hakeem Jeffries,
Speaker of the House,                 Minority Leader,
U.S. House of Representatives,        U.S. House of Representatives,
Washington, DC.                       Washington, DC.                  

Hon. Charles E. Schumer,              Hon. Mitch McConnell,         
Majority Leader,                      Minority Leader,                         
U.S. Senate,                          U.S. Senate,  
Washington, DC.                       Washington, DC.

Dear Speaker Johnson, Majority Leader Schumer, Minority Leader 
            Jeffries, and Minority Leader McConnell:

    In 2020, Congress took steps to address a growing threat to our 
national security: telecommunications equipment and services that pose 
a national security risk to the United States. Congress created the 
Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Reimbursement Program 
(Program) at the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to fund the 
removal of such equipment and services, including equipment produced by 
Huawei, ZTE, and other Chinese companies, and its replacement with 
equipment and services from trusted vendors.\1\ To date, Congress has 
provided less than 40 percent of the approved cost estimates needed to 
fulfill this national security mandate. The Program cannot succeed 
until Congress funds the $3.08 billion shortfall\2\ so that Program 
participants can complete their projects and eliminate this threat, 
while also ensuring that American consumers and businesses can continue 
to access communications services, including 9-1-1 and emergency 
services.
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    \1\ See Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act of 2019, 
Pub. L. No. 116-124, 134 Stat. 158 (2020), https://www.congress.gov/
116/plaws/publ124/PLAW-116publ124.pdf.
    \2\ See Letter from Jessica Rosenworcel, Chairwoman, Federal 
Communications Commission, ``Update to Members of Congress Regarding 
the Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Reimbursement Program'' 
(May 3, 2023), https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-3932
06A1.pdf.
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    The situation is dire. Due to the lack of full funding, many 
Program participants, especially in Western states, are forced to 
decide where to remove covered equipment but not replace it, 
eliminating service available today both to their subscribers as well 
to anyone that roams into their network coverage. Due to lack of 
Program funding and challenges providing service in sparsely populated 
areas with extremely tight margins, carriers, including those that are 
the only wireless provider serving much of their market, will go out of 
business altogether. This critical work cannot be completed with only 
forty cents on the dollar, and costs incurred to date are reaching or 
surpassing the funding currently available.\3\
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    \3\ Katie DiRico, Rip & Replace Data Understates Participants 
Incurred Spending Costs, SUMMIT RIDGE GROUP (Feb. 16, 2024), https://
summitridgegroup.com/rip-replace-data-understates-participants-
incurred-spending-costs/.
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    Real-world impacts and consequences will result from a lack of full 
funding for the Program:

   A Program participant will be forced to reduce its coverage 
        area by over 67 percent (over 31,000 square miles) in Arizona 
        and nearly 64 percent (over 26,000 square miles) in Nevada. The 
        impacted areas include key military and national security 
        installations. That same carrier would have a nearly 90 percent 
        reduction in service in Utah.

   A Program participant in New Mexico will lose 70.2 percent 
        of its current coverage area (over 19,000 square miles) leaving 
        customers unserved absent immediate funding.

   A Program participant in Colorado will be forced to reduce 
        its coverage area by 73.8 percent (13,766 square miles) absent 
        full funding.

   A Program participant in Wyoming will be forced to reduce 
        coverage by over 80 percent (nearly 4,000 square miles).

   A Program participant in Montana will be forced to reduce 
        service by over 62 percent (over 1,500 square miles).

   A Program participant that serves the Navajo Nation will 
        likely reduce coverage in that area by 20-40 percent, in 
        certain areas eliminating the only service available to 
        communities highly dependent on the Affordable Connectivity 
        Program.

   A Program participant covering 122,000 square miles in the 
        Rocky Mountains is deciding what portions of its network to 
        terminate because of the funding failure. Absent additional 
        funding, its coverage area will be reduced by over 70,000 
        square miles, eliminating the only coverage roamers have 
        available. This coverage area includes 40 military 
        installations, 32 of which are in areas that will not retain 
        service without full funding, including a strategic missile 
        base. Absent full funding, only 91 healthcare facilities out of 
        456 will remain covered, and only 415 schools or other 
        educational facilities out of 1,897 will be able to retain 
        coverage. Over half of this provider's approximately 40,000 
        subscribers will be affected, as well as the 13-14 million 
        roamers that use the network each year.

   A Program participant in Western states that connects 
        approximately 20 million annual roaming customers, in addition 
        to its own customers, would see service degraded or lost.

   A Program participant serving a large rural area in the 
        upper plains cannot transition to 5G because it does not have 
        full funding to remove untrusted equipment. The network, and 
        the communities it serves, will degrade over time and the area 
        will go from served to unserved.

   Another Program participant in the South faces financial 
        obligations beyond its prorated Program funding and faces dire 
        implications in the absence of full funding even if they do not 
        rip and replace.

    These examples are just some of the negative outcomes facing 
Americans across the country. To be clear, this issue does not only 
affect impacted carriers' own subscribers. Tens of millions of 
customers from nationwide wireless networks roam onto these networks 
while travelling to and through impacted areas and will have their 
connectivity and access to emergency services and 9-1-1 reduced as 
well.
    Failure to act immediately will be catastrophic for large swaths of 
the country. Millions of Americans, particularly in rural areas and on 
Tribal Lands, could lose basic connectivity. It also means that 
untrusted equipment remains in service, including some near military 
bases, airports, and other areas of strategic importance. Every day 
that passes increases the risk of catastrophic network failures as this 
untrusted equipment remains in networks and cannot be maintained.\4\ 
Carriers participating in the Program take national security and 
network security seriously, and they are working diligently to remove 
all equipment determined to pose a security threat, but they need 
Congress to provide adequate funding to complete this work.
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    \4\ See Protecting Against National Security Threats to the 
Communications Supply Chain through FCC Programs, Report and Order, 
Order, and Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, FCC 19-121 (rel. Nov. 
26, 2019) (prohibiting use of Universal Service Funds for maintenance 
of untrusted equipment).
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    The Program is a national security mandate created by Congress; 
success demands Congress provides adequate funding. While the United 
States has taken a leadership role internationally on the risks of 
untrusted communications equipment and services from companies 
connected to the Chinese government, work remains to eliminate that 
risk in our own heartland. Congress must immediately prioritize this 
national security emergency and fully fund the Secure and Trusted 
Communications Networks Reimbursement Program.
            Sincerely,
                                               Tim Donovan,
                                                   President & CEO.
cc:

The Honorable Maria Cantwell, Chair, Senate Committee on Commerce, 
Science and Transportation

The Honorable Ted Cruz, Ranking Member, Senate Committee on Commerce, 
Science and Transportation

The Honorable Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Chair, House Committee on Energy 
& Commerce

The Honorable Frank Pallone, Jr., Ranking Member, House Committee on 
Energy & Commerce

The Honorable Mike Gallagher, Chair, House Select Committee on the 
Chinese Communist Party

The Honorable Raja Krishnamoorthi, Ranking Member, House Select 
Committee on the Chinese Communist Party

    Senator Fischer. Looking at our Nation's management of 
spectrum, we all know that we must be efficient and innovative. 
This is true for Federal agencies and for non-Federal entities 
that use spectrum.
    Economically, we face a global race for leadership and 
technologies these airwaves fuel. But boosting spectrum 
efficiency cannot come at the cost of harming systems our 
Department of Defense depends on to keep this country safe.
    Vital missile defense radar systems operate in Alaska and 
in Hawaii using the same key mid-band spectrum that many 
corporations seek to obtain. We cannot deter or defeat China if 
our radar systems cannot reliably detect, identify, and track 
an ICBM missile or other incoming threat.
    And while this committee often hears about China's 
ambitions to dominate certain global industries, we must not 
forget China's focus on expanding and modernizing their 
military forces.
    For example, the breathtaking expansion of their nuclear 
triad. If we--it would be very reckless to sacrifice current 
and future military capabilities solely for economic gain, and 
we should not continue to see DOD only as the pot of spectrum 
gold at the end of the rainbow. I am also a senior member on 
the Armed Services Committee.
    We are hearing today far from our INDOPACOM Combatant 
Commander, as well as our Commander on the Korean Peninsula, 
both in classified and unclassified briefings. The information 
presented to SAS today only serves to reinforce my commitment 
to the duty, the first duty of Congress, and continuing to be 
sure our military has what it needs in regard to spectrum to 
protect this Nation.
    The Administration's new National Spectrum Strategy and 
Implementation Plan further highlight the disjointed 
communications on spectrum management. Throughout drafting, 
DOD's work and feedback were heavily omitted and outright 
rejected.
    The study that NTIA, our Federal spectrum coordinator, co-
led with DOD on critical lower 3 spectrum continues to be 
dismissed by this Administration. That study still hasn't been 
released publicly to inform this discussion we are having. 
Senators King, Hirono, and I wrote a letter to the 
Administration about these concerns over a month ago.
    We still haven't heard back, and I can't say that I am 
surprised by that. Dr. Ghosh, DOD has stated that it would 
undermine our national defense if we displaced its systems, 
especially those in the lower 3 band.
    We also know that spectrum sharing systems today use the 
same trusted 5G supply chain as exclusive spectrum systems, 
supporting the same supply chain. When dealing with DOD 
spectrum, can American innovations in spectrum sharing help 
resolve these intense fights over moving systems to clear 
bands?
    Dr. Ghosh. Thank you very much for that question. 
Absolutely, and we have proof of that. CBRS is already doing 
that. There has been, as far as I am aware, no documented 
evidence of interference to any Navy radar from commercial 
deployments since CBRS.
    The way we have done that in CBRS is to move away from the 
high power exclusively licensing option and investigate low to 
medium power, perhaps indoors sharing options. I will point out 
that even China has said that the 3.3 to 3.4 Gigahertz band is 
for shared indoor use.
    I don't know whether they have military operations in that 
band, but clearly the rest of the world is also looking at 
different ways of using spectrum so that you can layer on more 
than one application in the same band.
    So dynamic spectrum sharing at low, medium, perhaps indoor 
power is a great way to protect the DOD, not having them leave 
the band, but add on other services on top of it.
    Senator Fischer. In your briefings, have you had detailed 
explanations from DOD on current systems that many are 
classified--on current systems and the effect it would have on 
them? Radars, F-35s?
    Dr. Ghosh. Yes, yes. I was actually participated in the 
Path SS effort between NTIA and DOD, the one that you just 
referred to. I think that collaboration worked exceedingly 
well. There was academia in the room. There was industry, the 
Government agencies.
    I agree with you, it would be nice to see the public report 
come out of the work that went into doing that. But we are 
continuing some of those efforts within academia. We are still 
engaged in looking at how 5G can coexist at different power 
levels with DOD operations.
    Senator Fischer. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    The Chair. Thank you. Senator Peters is next. And then, 
Senator Blackburn, I have seen her on the remote a couple of 
times, but she would be after that. So, if you are ready.

                 STATEMENT OF HON. GARY PETERS, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM MICHIGAN

    Senator Peters. I am ready.
    The Chair. If not, we will go to Senator Hickenlooper.
    Senator Peters. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Ms. 
Ghosh, one use of spectrum that I have long advocated for is 
transportation safety technology, like a cellular vehicle to 
everything technology.
    This type of technology helps connect vehicles to each 
other, to other road users as well as infrastructure. It 
dramatically could improve safety and efficiency, as you well 
know. The applications include collision avoidance, school bus 
safety, first responder signal priority, and the list goes on.
    My question for you is, as you know, these technologies are 
reserved in the 5.9 GHz band. And in 2020, the FCC acted to 
reduce the amount of spectrum available in that band for these 
applications.
    So, from your perspective, what are the particular 
challenges or opportunities created by reserving 30 MHz of 
spectrum for the transportation safety technologies? And 
second, what are the strategies we can use to ensure that we 
are maximizing safety applications in this band, in the future?
    Dr. Ghosh. Thank you for that question. I was at the FCC, 
actually, when that decision to remove 30 MHz was made. So, I 
think one of the things I would like to point out is that the 
ideas, band had been allocated for 20 years prior to 2020. It 
was in late 1999.
    I think that band was allocated for ITS and there has been 
very little deployments. So, I think now that we have C-V2X, 
which is a newer way to do this, I agree that it would be good 
to have 75, but 30 is also a sizable portion of spectrum. I 
think what we need to have is deployments.
    The thing with vehicular communications is that you need a 
critical mass of vehicles out there. If I am the only car on 
the highway that has this technology, you have nobody to talk 
to.
    So, we need that infrastructure, if you are going to do 
vehicle to infrastructure, we need a critical mass of vehicles, 
so you can do vehicle to vehicle, and that needs to get started 
as soon as possible. I think 20 years has been a long wait for 
this technology to really come into play.
    Senator Peters. But the question is, it is coming into 
play. So, it is, you are seeing especially as we move toward 
autonomous vehicles. It is a big aspect of that.
    So, the technology may not have been developed for a while, 
but then right when we are actually developing it all and we 
know there are going to be major increases over safety, to try 
to take spectrum away so someone can download a movie quicker--
I think I would rather save people's lives in automobiles.
    And let's think about where that technology is today and 
where it is going. Not think about, well, they didn't develop 
this 20 years ago. You can say that about airplanes. Hey, we 
reserved things for airplanes, but they weren't developed till 
the Wright brothers did it.
    You know, that is not the way to look at it. So, I would 
hope we are looking at the future.
    Dr. Ghosh. I agree. And I think, I will be--you know, there 
are concerns about interference from adjacent bands into C-V2X, 
and all of those are concerns that we need to study more.
    Senator Peters. Right. Absolutely need to do that, but 
hopefully safety is always number one, not quicker videos. Mr. 
Johnson, I have appreciated the testimony that you gave today 
on the threat posed to our national security by Chinese 
telecommunications firms like Huawei and ZTE.
    And I agree that we must actively address this threat, 
which is why I strongly support shortfalls in the--to fund 
those shortfalls in the Rip and Replace funds that rural 
broadband needs for these networks. Northern Michigan 
University, for example, provides broadband service to over 
16,000 households in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and has been 
facing a $27 million shortfall in Rip and Replace of their 
Huawei systems since 2021.
    This is not just a national security issue. It is a rural 
broadband access issue, which is critical. So, if you could 
speak to coverage and quality issues that rural broadband 
networks face that are reliant on Huawei and ZTE equipment. And 
if they don't receive the funding and are unable to upgrade, 
what is that going to mean for them?
    Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Senator. I speak as a rural 
American citizen, live in rural Northeast Georgia, so it is 
personal to me and my family. This is the easy part, frankly, 
that we have to--we know where the gear is, we know how much it 
costs, and we just need to get rid of it.
    And I think that the harder part is if we let China lead on 
spectrum, all of the connected vehicles and autonomous 
vehicles, and essentially any mobile technology that we have 
has the danger of being produced by China for autocratic means, 
that will be something that we can't rip and replace.
    So, this part is the easy part, and we have to do it. Those 
16,000 people need to be able to make 9-1-1 calls.
    Senator Peters. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Madam 
Chair.
    The Chair. Thank you. Senator Blackburn.

              STATEMENT OF HON. MARSHA BLACKBURN, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM TENNESSEE

    Senator Blackburn. Thank each of you for being there this 
morning. Ms. Rinaldo, I want to come to you first. Spectrum is 
a scarce resource, and I appreciate that you all are here 
talking about it this morning. I have long called for an 
inventory of spectrum assets that the Federal Government is 
holding.
    And I know when you were the Acting NTIA Administrator, 
that you asked the Federal agencies to review their frequency 
assignment and to quantify their spectrum utilization. And the 
goal was to ultimately estimate the extent to which each system 
used its assigned spectrum.
    Make certain we didn't have spectrum squatting. So, talk a 
little bit about how these assessments might help us as we look 
to more efficiently use our scarce spectrum resources, 
particularly as we are drafting spectrum pipeline legislation?
    Ms. Rinaldo. Thank you, Senator. Yes, so incredibly 
important to have a better understanding of who is doing what 
and where. And while I sent that in 2019, it needs to be done 
every couple of years. I think as part of us moving forward, we 
need to ensure that our process is in place. And so, things 
like this are done periodically without being directed to do 
so.
    Senator Blackburn. Great. One of the things that I have put 
some work in, Senator Warner and I introduced the Promoting 
U.S. Leadership and Standards Act, which improves, would 
improve our Nation's ability to advance its agenda at meetings, 
particularly, meetings around emerging technologies, and would 
help bolster our leadership on the global stage.
    And I was disappointed with how we were represented at the 
World Radio Conference and the lack of leadership that was 
there. And the U.S. at the last minute was forced to change 
personnel, wrestle with domestic policy disputes, and proceed 
with unclear objectives.
    In other countries, especially our adversaries, do not 
conduct themselves in this way. They are organized and they 
dominate on the world stage. As a result, countries like China, 
Iran, Russia are leading these discussions. Huawei had a 
significant presence at WRC 2023, and they were one of the 
loudest voices represented there.
    So, Mr. Johnson, you said in your written testimony that 
the U.S. is a, and I am quoting you, ``mid-band licensed 
spectrum island that operates largely outside of core, globally 
harmonized spectrum bands.''
    So, what impact does this have on U.S. leadership in mid-
band spectrum, and how does it affect our economic and our 
security interest?
    Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Senator. And I think our economic 
and security interests are identical. They are completely 
aligned. What it does is it undercuts, the long standing U.S. 
leadership that has characterized almost all of, post-World War 
II history, including in spectrum and, and we are in danger of 
losing it.
    And China knows they have a--they have a strategy, a plan, 
and they are taking action. And that is why, I think the number 
I heard was there were 45 Huawei representatives in Dubai, not 
to mention all the other China based representatives.
    They know where the future lies and they know where they 
are ahead and we are behind, and we need to--if we just let 
this happen, we will be seeding the future of the technology 
supply chain to China, which will have drastic impacts.
    Senator Blackburn. Thank you for that. Mr. Furchtgott-Roth, 
you will weigh in on this? What do you see as the impact? How 
do we fix it?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Senator, your bill with Senator Warner 
is very important. These international fora, both through the 
ITU and through standard setting bodies are extraordinarily 
important. And, you are right, the United States, frankly for 
many years, has not taken these as seriously as we should.
    In part, it is that decades ago, certainly the 1990s--1980s 
and 1990s, the United States was offered a great deal of 
deference because we were the undisputed world leader in a lot 
of these technologies.
    We no longer are. We don't get the deference. And we need 
to restore America to a position of strength in which other 
countries looked to us for leadership.
    Senator Blackburn. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    The Chair. Thank you. Senator Klobuchar.

                STATEMENT OF HON. AMY KLOBUCHAR, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM MINNESOTA

    Senator Klobuchar. Very good. Thank you very much, Senator 
Cantwell, Chair, and thank you for allowing, some of us to have 
this capability to do this by video as well. I have 100 things 
this morning, so I appreciate it.
    An estimated 240 million calls, as you all know, are made 
to 9-1-1 centers annually, yet there is still outdated 
technology for 9-1-1 centers. For example, in many places, it 
doesn't even still support text messages, which is pretty 
outrageous in this day and age.
    As co-chair of the Senate Generation 9-1-1 Caucus--Next 
Generation Caucus, I lead legislation with Senator Cortez Masto 
to modernize our 9-1-1 systems. Professor Ghosh, do you support 
using spectrum auction proceeds to modernize our 9-1-1 
infrastructure?
    Dr. Ghosh. Yes, absolutely. The 9-1-1 infrastructure needs 
all the financial support it can get.
    Senator Klobuchar. And I want to enter in the record a 
letter to Chair Cantwell and Ranking Member Cruz from a number 
of organizations supporting public safety that support this 
position. If I could, Chair.
    The Chair. Without objection.
    [The information referred to follows:]

                                                     March 19, 2024

Hon. Maria Cantwell,                    Hon. Ted Cruz,  
Chair, Senate Committee on Commerce,    Ranking Member, Senate Committee on     
Science, and Transportation.            Commerce, Science, and Transportation.  

Chair Cantwell and Ranking Member Cruz:

    On behalf of the Public Safety Next Generation 9-1-1 Coalition, we 
respectfully submit this letter for the record concerning the 
imperative of modernizing our Nation's 50+ year-old 9-1-1 
infrastructure to Next Generation 9-1-1 (NG9-1-1). As you consider the 
national security implications of spectrum policy at the hearing 
entitled ``Spectrum and National Security,'' we highlight the national 
security imperative of NG9-1-1 and opportunity to fund NG9-1-1 with 
spectrum auction revenue.
    Our coalition was honored to collaborate in a bipartisan fashion 
with the House and Senate, as well as industry stakeholders, to draft 
legislation that would create an NG9-1-1 grant program. This 
legislation would provide the funding needed to deploy NG9-1-1 in a 
fully interoperable, comprehensive, secure, innovative, and reliable 
manner throughout urban and rural areas, ensuring no community is left 
behind.
    In late 2022, the NG9-1-1 bill was included in a legislative 
package that would have directed the revenue from spectrum auctions 
managed by the Federal Communications Commission to fund NG9-1-1 
implementation. That approach received strong bipartisan and bicameral 
support and nearly passed into law. More recently, the NG9-1-1 
legislation was included in H.R. 3565 (the Spectrum Auction 
Reauthorization Act), which passed the House Energy and Commerce 
Committee with unanimous support last year.
    Federal support for NG9-1-1 remains an urgent need. The 
cyberthreats are outpacing our public safety agencies' defenses. Every 
day that passes means 9-1-1 professionals and emergency responders lack 
the advanced communications tools and cybersecurity resources they need 
to best protect life and property. NG9-1-1 will begin saving lives in 
our communities the moment it is deployed.
    Achieving NG9-1-1 as soon as possible is a national security 
imperative, for the following reasons:

  1.  Enhanced Response to Disasters and National-level Threats
    During natural disasters or terrorist attacks, time is of the 
essence and critical decisions need to be made with the best 
information available. The current 9-1-1 system is limited to voice 
calls and basic text messages, preventing citizens from sharing 
multimedia content and other information that could provide real-time 
actionable intelligence to emergency responders. Upgrading 9-1-1 
systems to allow for the exchange of data, photos, and videos will 
provide local, state, and national officials with improved situational 
awareness, resulting in faster and more effective responses and better 
outcomes for the public and first responders.
  2.  Protection Against Cyberattacks, Including State-Sponsored 
        Attacks
    The current 9-1-1 system already suffers cyberattacks, which 
disrupt emergency response capabilities and put lives at risk. In most 
cases, a single 9-1-1 emergency communications center serves numerous 
responding agencies. Thus, an attack on a 9-1-1 center has a cascading 
effect on multiple emergency response chains, making it a prime target 
for cybercriminals and state-sponsored attacks. NG9-1-1 requires a 
modern cybersecurity architecture that provides end-to-end IP-based 
intrusion detection and prevention capabilities. Federal funding is 
needed to implement this upgrade on a national scale and ensure that 
emergency services are available when they are needed most.
  3.  Support for National Defense Efforts
    The 9-1-1 system is an important part of the Nation's defense 
infrastructure. In the event of a national emergency or attack, the 
first line of defense is 9-1-1. Multiple civilian and defense agencies 
and departments would be involved in the response effort. The 
capabilities of a fully implemented NG9-1-1 network would be vital to 
improving coordination and ensuring clear, secure, and resilient 
communications capabilities for national security and defense.
    We look forward to continuing to work with you and the committee to 
finish the job and enact this needed legislation.
            Respectfully,
                                                 Mel Maier,
                                                         Spokesman,
                          Public Safety Next Generation 9-1-1 Coalition
Coalition Members:

Association of Public-Safety Communications Officials, International
Fraternal Order of Police
International Association of Fire Chiefs
International Association of Chiefs of Police
Major Cities Chiefs Association
Major County Sheriffs of America
Metropolitan Fire Chiefs Association
National Association of State EMS Officials
National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives
National Sheriffs' Association

    Senator Klobuchar. Thank you. Let we continue on this vain. 
Professor Ghosh, about how to use technology in a better way so 
it serves everyone. One of those issues is bringing broadband 
to every corner of the State. And we know to do that and of the 
country, you need to get accurate maps.
    Not just to know where the coverage is still needed, but to 
make sure that no one's overstating their coverage. I led an 
effort back in 2020 to improve the accuracy of the FCC 
broadband availability maps.
    We have seen some improvements, but there is more to do. 
Professor, I understand you worked on broadband mapping during 
your time at the FCC and led a pilot project to retrofit postal 
service vehicles and garbage trucks to door to door and test 
maps which I love the idea of actually testing what we see on 
paper or on the internet. How effective have these pilots been?
    Dr. Ghosh. Thank you very much. I--that was one of the most 
fun things I have done at the FCC. So, while at the FCC, we did 
the postal vehicles. And then when I came to the University of 
Notre Dame, we did the same thing with garbage trucks.
    This is a very easy, actually, way of collecting network 
coverage information without going out of your way to do drive 
tests like a lot of operators do. We are doing a very similar 
thing within Spectrum X.
    Our center, which we call broadband map us, is a project 
where we have involved students and we have given them phones 
that they then go out and collect data for on the phone.
    So today we have very easy ways to collect signal strength 
information from our phones, and they are doing very innovative 
things like mapping--you know, sort of correlating the network 
coverage with the socioeconomics of the places that they are 
collecting the data in.
    So, I think there are many inventive ways we can do this.
    Senator Klobuchar. Very good. And I just think just having 
that accountability and knowing that we are checking on things 
can lead to more accurate outcomes, because no one wants to be 
found that they actually weren't telling the truth of the 
coverage.
    Mr. Johnson, you note in your testimony, changing topics, 
that foreign companies were the only suppliers that built 
radios for the spectrum bands where many small carriers 
operate. Can you discuss how coordinating spectrum use with our 
allies can help ensure carriers have competitive options when 
buying equipment?
    Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Senator. Yes, ma'am, the basic 
answer is that if we have harmonized spectrum bands, we have 
global scale, and that means that our trusted suppliers have a 
scaled market to design to and to sell to.
    Often and I think in most cases in this arena, design and 
development start with spectrum band, with the spectrum band. 
It goes all the way down to the chips and the software. So, it 
is literally the beginning of the technology development.
    Certainly, Huawei and ZTE know that which is I think 
probably why they designed those radios for those sort of 
bespoke smaller spectrum bands.
    Senator Klobuchar. OK. Along the lines of competition, Ms. 
Rinaldo, prior to Open RAN, there were only a handful of 
telecommunications equipment vendors serving wireless network 
operators.
    Can you explain how these Open RAN vendors are bringing 
more competition to the market and helping lower costs for 
network deployment?
    Ms. Rinaldo. Yes. So, there are 127 companies participating 
from 21 different countries around the world. And what we have 
seen that--why Open RAN has been so successful is that because 
we give companies and countries something to run to, as opposed 
to run away from.
    Senator Klobuchar. Well said.
    Ms. Rinaldo. When I was at NTI--I am sorry?
    Senator Klobuchar. I said, well said.
    Ms. Rinaldo. Thank you. So, just when I was at NTIA, we 
would go around the world, people didn't want to go to Huawei, 
but they just didn't see any alternative. So, I think that is 
why there has been such a huge interest in Open RAN not only 
here in the U.S., but globally.
    Senator Klobuchar. All right. Thank you very much. 
Appreciate it. Thank you, Senator Cantwell.
    The Chair. Thank you, Senator Klobuchar. Next is, Senator 
Vance, if he is ready. If not, I am sure Senator Lummis would 
be.

                 STATEMENT OF HON. J. D. VANCE, 
                     U.S. SENATOR FROM OHIO

    Senator Vance. I appreciate it. Thanks to the Chair for 
hosting this hearing. And I think, like a lot of my colleagues 
here, you know, I am relatively new to the spectrum issue, and 
I am just trying to understand everything.
    And, you know, obviously sort of the one of the big debates 
in the spectrum question is sort of, well, you know, the DOD 
wants this mid-band spectrum. It is obviously very valuable. 
And you also have a lot of commercial users who want it too.
    And so, I am sort of mindful of Cruz--Senator Cruz's and 
Thune's efforts on this. But I maybe just want to ask each of 
you for kind of your perspective on this and how you think 
about the balancing of factors that we are thinking of.
    And, you know, I will just go down the line, if I can and, 
you know, maybe try to answer relatively briefly because I am 
just curious in everybody's sort of perspective on this. But 
like, you know, imagine you are a Senator for a day, and you 
are trying to figure out how to balance the national security 
implications of mid-band spectrum with the commercial concerns.
    Like, how would you guys do it? And how do you think about 
sort of these tradeoffs? That is a relatively open ended 
question, but by design. So, maybe we will just start with, and 
I am terribly--I am going to butcher his name, but Dr. 
Furchtgott-Roth.
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. That was very good, Senator.
    Senator Vance. Well, OK. Great. It is the best thing I will 
do all day.
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. I would--I think you hit it on--hit 
the nail when you said balance. And I think it is a question of 
balance and certainly want to take national security interests 
into--we want to take this, balance those against the 
incredible commercial value in the spectrum.
    And I would like to see a study that kind of sort of goes 
maybe 25 MHz, by 25 MHz, by 25 MHz, and sort of say, if you 
took off 25 MHz, how much would that cost DOD, if you took a 50 
MHz, how much would it cost DOD, and come up with some numbers 
and figure it out from there.
    Senator Vance. OK. That is helpful. Ms. Brown.
    Ms. Brown. Thank you for the question. I think we have to 
now start evaluating Federal spectrum from three perspectives. 
One, could it be compressed? Could it be--could Federal 
spectrum be compressed, or could those systems be cleared?
    Two, could they be shared with commercial users, as we have 
done in CBRS, the very successful CBRS model? And three, should 
we consider putting unlicensed technologies in as an underlay 
and could that be a successful model? Unless we have the 
information for all three, we can't make an informed decision.
    Senator Vance. OK. Thank you, Ms. Brown. Ms. Ghosh.
    Dr. Ghosh. I think we should look at our needs, not another 
country's. China is four times our population. And if they have 
more spectrum, it doesn't mean that we need more spectrum.
    We need to look at what our defense needs are, what our 
consumer needs are, and what our science needs are. We often 
forget that we need spectrum for things like weather satellites 
as well. And I agree with Mary's assessment, we should look at 
all options before we decide that one is the best.
    Senator Vance. OK. Thank you. And Ms. Rinaldo.
    Ms. Rinaldo. I would say that none of us want to degrade 
the capabilities of our defense. I was at the House 
Intelligence Committee, and I worked on these issues. I have a 
tremendous respect for what our armed service are doing.
    What we are discussing is there a possibility to move, and 
not only move, but to increase capabilities. And I think that 
is why it is so important to relook at how we incentivize the 
agencies that--could we give them increased technologies with 
funding from the Spectrum Relocation Fund?
    I also think we need to remove the personalities and the 
emotion from this conversation and have it be data driven.
    Senator Vance. Just want to follow up on that. I mean, how 
much of the debate is a scientific debate about, you know, what 
happens when you move 25 MHz this direction or that direction, 
and how much of this is, we understand the scientific 
implications, we are just sort of having a turf war over 
interest from there. Maybe, Mr. Johnson, I will give you that 
one.
    Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Senator. And I will answer as a 
former Army logistics officer, I have spent my entire career at 
the intersection of national security and commercial security.
    Senator Vance. Sure.
    Mr. Johnson. And I think in this case, it is the same. 
These interests are the same. And so, I would borrow a lot of 
the--sort of the ideas that have been said by my four fellow 
panelists and just add that I would shift the whole posture.
    I actually don't think it is about tradeoffs. I think it is 
about optimizing. And if we look at how do we make the best use 
of the available spectrum, that is a different discussion from 
who is taking from whom. If we do that, the best in the world, 
which we can and we have, I think we can do it better.
    But this mix that Mary talked about and some of the 
advances that Harold and Monisha discussed, we can lead the 
world and it will benefit our defense systems and it will 
benefit our commercial security, all of which benefits U.S. 
national security.
    Senator Vance. Sure. And I am sure my staff and I will 
follow up just to try to better understand some of these 
answers in detail. But I appreciate your time and appreciate 
you being here today. Thanks.
    The Chair: Thank you, Senator Vance. Senator Hickenlooper.

               STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN HICKENLOOPER, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM COLORADO

    Senator Hickenlooper. Thank you, Madam Chair. And thanks to 
all of you for being here today. I think this is almost like 
the, you know, the 1927 Yankees. I am not sure we have had this 
much horsepower at one table since I have been here.
    There is a lot of talk these days about, TikTok and 
ByteDance, but I want to come back again to the issues around 
Rip and Replace. And I think that it is worth discussing from 
all perspectives.
    You go back to 2020, when Congress authorized the FCC to 
financially reimburse rural wireless carriers for the costs of 
ripping and replacing network equipment that have been made by 
Huawei and other companies that posed a national security 
threat.
    The program currently faces a $3 billion funding shortfall, 
as we have heard. Small carriers are bearing the financial 
burden of repairing their networks and disposing of their 
equipment without being reimbursed, as was promised.
    In Colorado, this is a big risk. Some reports indicate a 
wireless carrier in Colorado could soon be forced to reduce its 
coverage by 70 percent without full reimbursement for the 
program. That is nearly 13,000 mi\2\.
    Simply put, small wireless carriers across the country 
serving rural communities are at risk of shutting down parts of 
their network in places where they are, in many cases, most 
needed. And Colorado is not alone.
    We have our little heat map that demonstrates that the lack 
of funding is affecting states across the country. And it is 
not just a threat to national security. It is a threat to our 
goal of bridging the digital divide, maintaining access to 
telehealth, and public safety.
    So, I guess I would ask each of you, and just go down and 
start with Dr. Ghosh, do you believe closing the gap in Rip and 
Replace funding is critical to both national security and 
public interest?
    Dr. Ghosh. Yes.
    Ms. Brown. Yes.
    Mr. Johnson. Yes.
    Ms. Rinaldo. Yes.
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Yes.
    Senator Hickenlooper. Really nothing better than rhetorical 
questions where you are sort of guiding. Switching a little bit 
back to Open RAN, which I think again is a fascinating but 
critical issue.
    Ms. Rinaldo, thank you for your testimony today and all 
your work on this. Open radio access networks really can 
revolutionize how we build communications networks, how 
successfully we can interoperate. Is that a real word?
    Ms. Rinaldo. Exactly.
    Senator Hickenlooper. Make them more interoperable, and it 
allows us to build networks with components that are from 
trusted U.S. vendors. Not ZTE, not Huawei, not any of the 
companies from our rivals.
    In Colorado, we have Dish. They have taken a lead and 
developed the first, I think the largest standalone Open RAN 5G 
wireless network, and they are launching service now across the 
country.
    Ms. Rinaldo, how can we accelerate Open RAN adoption and 
lower barriers to the entry of new vendors in the Open RAN 
ecosystem?
    Ms. Rinaldo. Thank you, Senator. And thank you for your 
leadership at ITS. Absolutely, Dish has been a leader on Open 
RAN.
    And I think how we get additional operators to participate 
in the Open RAN ecosystem is Spectrum Auction Authority. The 
more spectrum that we can auction, the more bands we are 
bringing online, the more opportunities for Open RAN. I would 
also say that standards is such a critical part of this 
conversation.
    We need to incentivize companies to go to standards. We 
need to ensure that we are working beforehand. That we have, 
again, right, this talk about the chaos--that we have a good, 
unified position as we enter in these standards body. So, I 
would also say that's incredibly important.
    And then just NTIA, encourage them to get the additional 
funding out the door as soon as possible. If we are going to 
bring Open RAN to scale, we need that money to be out the next 
two to three years.
    Senator Hickenlooper. Absolutely. And I think that sense of 
urgency is something that we haven't seen--we haven't seen the 
level of urgency that I think we would all agree we need. Dr. 
Ghosh, let me ask you, you know, we lead the world in private 
R&D, you know, investments in terms of telecommunications.
    We get top flight researchers from around the world. Also, 
entrepreneurs from around the world that come here to set up 
businesses and do their research. But we actually have all that 
talent, you know, right here already in many cases.
    And American companies are developing these exciting new, 
you know, the dynamic spectrum sharing abilities to maximize 
our range that we have. I think that is--it should be another 
priority to make efficient use of these--of this potential, and 
these efficiency gains could be critical in reducing energy 
consumption, meeting climate goals, we can go down the list.
    So, how can this DSS, this dynamic sharing, dynamic 
spectrum sharing, help us achieve more energy efficient 
networks?
    Dr. Ghosh. Thank you for that. I think there are two ways 
that DSS can really help in reducing the footprint of ICT, as 
it is called, which is growing. So 5G was supposed to be more 
energy efficient than 4G, and it turns out that the total 
energy expenditure of 5G is actually growing. The--one of the 
key ways the DSS dynamic spectrum sharing can help is by 
sharing spectrum with the Federal users, but at a much lower 
power.
    So, to get into this building from a base station outside, 
you have got to overcome about 20DB, which is 100 times of 
signal loss. If instead of that, you could have a dynamic--a 
CBRS kind of shared network deployed in the building that your 
phone connected to, you would have just reduced the amount of 
power you transmit.
    So, I think, you know, keeping that goal. It is a goal of a 
lot of the next generation, standardization activities, and I 
hope to see that we will make progress on that.
    Senator Hickenlooper. Right. And I feel--I am out of time, 
but Ms. Brown and Mr. Johnson, I will submit my questions for 
you into the record. But I appreciate all of you taking the 
time--taking the time to come and testify.
    The Chair. Senator Thune.

                 STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN THUNE, 
                U.S. SENATOR FROM SOUTH DAKOTA

    Senator Thune. Thank you, Madam Chair. Let me just start by 
saying that spectrum decisions are often driven by the amount 
of proceeds that a particular bill might raise rather than 
policy, which concerns me.
    When I authored MOBILE NOW and in working with Ranking 
Member Cruz on this Spectrum Pipeline Act of 2024, I have 
always focused on getting the policy right, not on how much 
money the bill would raise.
    And so, I would just ask each of the panelists and a simple 
yes or no, should spectrum policy be driven by the dollar sign 
certain legislation could raise? Dr. Ghosh.
    Dr. Ghosh. No, it should be for the user's capabilities.
    Ms. Brown. No.
    Mr. Johnson. No for security.
    Ms. Rinaldo. No.
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. No. All the proceeds should go to the 
U.S. Treasury.
    Senator Thune. So, Mr. Furchtgott-Roth, could you elaborate 
on the specific harms that allowing spending priorities to 
dictate spectrum policy?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Yes, Senator. The important thing 
about spectrum policy that we have been discussing today is to 
get spectrum from the Federal Government to the private sector, 
or to protect spectrum that is in the Federal user.
    But the auctions are all about getting spectrum to 
commercial users as quickly and expeditiously as possible. And 
the spectrum policy shouldn't be focused on how much we can get 
to some specific activity. I think Congress does that through 
the Appropriations Committee. And that should be the way it 
should operate.
    If you think about it, today, we have--approaching a $36 
trillion deficit. If you could find $100 billion a day, $100 
billion a day, you could not pay off the Federal debt in a 
year. We just have this massive debt. How are we going to close 
it?
    Senator Thune. Well, let me just--that is a subject that I 
am interested in but probably not for this conversation. But in 
my view, the United States needs to make more mid-band spectrum 
available both for commercial licensed and unlicensed uses to 
maintain our global competitiveness.
    It is clear to me that the Biden Administration is not 
taking our mid-band spectrum deficit seriously, while China and 
our rivals are freeing up this crucial spectrum. The 
President's national spectrum strategy commits to freeing up 
zero Megahertz of spectrum, not a single Megahertz.
    Mr. Furchtgott-Roth, is there any urgency that you see from 
this Administration to make more spectrum available for 
commercial use? And then just as a follow up to that, how 
important is it then for Congress to act to provide a real 
spectrum implementation plan?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Senator, I think the two can work 
together. I think there are some positive elements in the Biden 
Administration spectrum policy. But it--the timelines are much 
too broad.
    They need to be tightened up and there needs to be some 
identification of spectrum that is going to be in the pipeline 
by a date certain.
    And that is why I think that the bill you have co-sponsored 
on the Spectrum Pipeline Act of 2024 has--it is an excellent 
bill and moves everything in the right direction.
    Senator Thune. Ms. Brown, I was supportive of and pushed 
the Pai FCC to make the 6 Gigahertz band available for 
unlicensed use. This order fulfilled an important mandate of 
the MOBILE NOW Act, which recognized rural both licensed and 
unlicensed spectrum play in the communications landscape.
    During the most recent World Radio Communications 
Conference, it was reported that China and Huawei are working 
against the United States to reverse the progress made on 6 
Gigahertz. Could you elaborate on how this played out and how 
moving forward--or I should say, and moving forward, what steps 
should the United States take to ensure we are leading the 
world in wireless advancements?
    Ms. Brown. Well, thank you, and thank you for all your 
support of unlicensed through the years, including the most 
recent Spectrum Pipeline Act and your discussion of advanced 
Wi-Fi. China has been opposing U.S. industry efforts to open 
the upper 6 Gigahertz band from the day the FCC made its 
decision in April 2020.
    We have encountered Huawei and Chinese interest in every 
country, in every proceeding that has looked at the 6 Gigahertz 
case. That culminated in November and December of this past 
year WRC, where China attempted a spectrum grab. They tried to 
use the WRC decisionmaking process to basically tell the world, 
you will not use the upper part of the 6 Gigahertz band for 
unlicensed.
    You will not even have that discussion. You will only use 
it for exclusive licensed mobile use. That is not what 
happened. Thanks to U.S. leadership at the conference, we ended 
up with a resolution whereby the countries of the world could 
decide for themselves based on their own strategic objectives 
what they wanted to do with the upper 6 Gigahertz band.
    And that means that U.S. industry can continue to go 
country by country to try to influence national regulation and 
come up with a harmonized approach to the 6 Gigahertz band. 
Going forward, we are going to need help from the 
Administration.
    And we work very closely with the trade organizations 
within the USG to try to use those levers to help us as we go 
around the world.
    Senator Thune. Well, thank you all very much. And I would 
just argue, Madam Chair, that it is time to reload the 
pipeline, and I think you all have testified to that today and 
how important that is for--on so many levels.
    So, I hope we can get moving on legislation that would 
bring some certainty and clarity to the issue. Thank you.
    The Chair. Thank you, Senator Thune. Senator Lummis.

               STATEMENT OF HON. CYNTHIA LUMMIS, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM WYOMING

    Senator Lummis. Thank you, Madam Chair. And I want to thank 
my colleague from Colorado who has allowed me to use his map to 
illustrate the issue of Rip and Replace----
    The Chair. Senator Lummis, I wanted collaboration so much 
and I am glad we have it.
    Senator Lummis. You definitely have it on Rip and Replace. 
This is a huge problem for the three States in brown, Nebraska, 
Wyoming, and Colorado.
    Because the Congress only provided enough money to cover 40 
percent of the costs of eliminating the Chinese made equipment 
from their networks, and the three states that are the most at 
risk, are the three in brown, including my own. [Map 
displayed.]
    So, one wireless provider in my state is deciding now what 
parts of their network they will need to shut down soon. I 
mean, really soon because they don't have the funds to replace 
the equipment that Congress ordered them to remove.
    So, this provider covers 122,000 mi\2\ of land. It contains 
450 health care facilities, 1,900 schools, 40 military 
installations, and a significant part of that includes segments 
of Interstate 80.
    Now I-80 runs, of course, from coast to coast. It runs 
through Central Nebraska and Southern Wyoming. The area of 
coverage that is going to get lost is this area of coverage, 
and it covers a large part of Interstate 80, so all of those 
truckers--and it is a huge commercial trucking route across our 
country, and they are going to lose coverage.
    And so, if we have spectrum, great. But if there is nobody 
to access the spectrum on the ground, what good is it? So, for 
Wyoming, and of course, my colleagues in Nebraska and Colorado, 
this is a huge risk. And time is running out. They are going to 
shrink their coverage because of the huge geographic area that 
they need to coverage.
    So, I definitely share the goal of identifying additional 
spectrum for the rollout of 5G and 6G, but truly, it won't be 
much use if no wireless providers are around to use it because 
Rip and Replace was inadequately funded.
    So, I want to make an urgent call, along with my colleagues 
from Nebraska and Wyoming, and a couple other States, even the 
ones in the more orangy, the deeper orange, are in tremendous 
risk of losing coverage. So, and we have funding sources. There 
is two bills that have funding sources.
    One is, Senator Fischer's from Nebraska, and she is using 
extra COVID money. Senator Daines has another source of funding 
to fully pay for this Rip and Replace. But the fact that it 
hasn't been done and it has put these providers at a place 
where they are just going to have to cut coverage.
    And it has been a long time since you could drive down 
Interstate 80, and just all of a sudden drop the call for 
extended mileage, before you can pick it back up. And this is 
critical because our blizzards are epic, and trucks are left by 
the roadside in a moment's notice when a blizzard hits.
    And this is dangerous to allow Rip and Replace to be 
underfunded. I urgently make the pitch to fund Rip and Replace, 
not only for my state, but every other state that did not 
benefit from the funding that was inadequately provided for Rip 
and Replace. So, off my soapbox for a few minutes.
    I would like to ask a question about Open RAN. Ms. Rinaldo, 
could you tell me how these advancements in Open RAN contribute 
to making connectivity more affordable and accessible for rural 
communities?
    Ms. Rinaldo. Absolutely. And I 100 percent agree, we need 
to rip Huawei out and have a strong supply chain to ensure this 
doesn't happen again. So, I think that some of the great 
benefits of Open RAN is the competition. 127 players in the 
ecosystem is going to help bring prices down.
    We are also moving to virtualization in software defined 
networks, which is going to shrink our footprint and keep 
things in check. I think bringing AI into the ecosystem is 
going to help with spectrum efficiency. After you have your 
radio equipment in place, energy is the next largest cost that 
the carriers face.
    So, if you are able to do sensing capabilities, will also 
help bring down costs. And then just innovation. It is going to 
allow for updates to occur much easier and much simpler, so you 
don't have to wait for the next 10 year life cycle to occur.
    So, I think there is a lot of excitement, and it is well 
deserved.
    Senator Lummis. Thank you. And Madam Chairman, I know I am 
out of time, but I may want to submit some additional questions 
for the record, particularly with regard to Open RAN and 
concerns that Rip and Replace causes rationing, the remaining 
parts that they need to repair equipment.
    And as I said, we are only one bad snowstorm away from the 
network going down. Hey, thank you all. This has been a 
wonderful panel. Appreciate you all. Thanks, Madam Chair.
    The Chair. Senator Lummis, do you have a number associated 
with your region on Rip and Replace? Do you know?
    Senator Lummis. Yes. These three brown states, the 
unreimbursed costs are greater than $200 million. Now, on the 
more orange states, the more vibrant orange, it is between $100 
million and $200 million.
    And there is a number of those as well. And then those that 
are the more pastel orange, between $10 million and $100 
million. So, I think it is what, about $3 billion to fund the 
whole shebang? And everybody should--they were required to rip 
it out.
    And to not fund the replacement for these small rural 
providers just puts them out of business.
    The Chair. Well, how does this affect your technology 
development? You know, part of CHIPS and Science with the 
EPSCoR legislation was trying to unfold more places because you 
can't just do all the technology in very expensive places, so 
we want to unfold more technology. So, how does that affect 
your ability to attract some of these technology companies with 
your additional EPSCoR funding?
    Senator Lummis. Yes, you can--as you can imagine, it is 
absolutely huge. Now, we have dark fiber that was put across 
Southern Wyoming, kind of along the I-80 corridor some years 
ago. Some of it is still dark simply because the technology 
needs to be built to utilize that capability. But again, 
without Rip and Replace, we are struggling to provide the 
important components of a fully integrated system. I want to 
add one more thing, since you have been so kind to ask this 
question. In Cheyenne, there is kind of a lead development of 
standards in the architecture. It is a really promising 
innovation that can help lower costs for deploying wireless 
networks. And it is Open RAN Center for Integration and 
Deployment. But the problem is many of these networks were 
built with Huawei and ZTE equipment using legacy radio access 
network architectures. So, providers in my state have been 
unable to replace their Huawei and ZTE equipment because of the 
delays in funding Rip and Replace. So, now they are rationing 
the remaining parts they need to repair their equipment, and 
they tell me that it is just constantly at rip--at risk. It is 
what we used to call, you know, you are baling wire things 
together and it is really problematic. Thanks for asking.
    The Chair. Well, thank you. I don't know if Ms. Rinaldo, 
you want to add anything? We are waiting for a couple of 
colleagues.
    I mean, I have other questions, but we are waiting for 
Senator Schmitt and Lujan to join us momentarily. So, but did 
you have a comment on that, on this legacy network? My concern 
here is that, you know, we are talking about these big issues. 
I loved the optimization repositioning by Mr. Johnson because 
that is truly what we are talking about. We are talking about 
how do we optimize?
    And sure, you can be a top down Government like China and 
dictate things. It doesn't mean it is the right thing. Clearly, 
interoperability is the key, and us figuring that out and then 
leading on it and in articulation internationally also the key.
    It is challenging to go to various places and explain to 
them why they might have bought something that is not going to 
be the standard of the future, because no one is going to let a 
government backdoor be the standard of the future. It is 
unfortunate that that has been someone's international policy 
to try to go and deploy that.
    But nonetheless, I do think that collaboration is the key, 
because that is what we have to do to get the implementation of 
the next generation technology. We have to collaborate. And as 
you can see, this is a subject where not everybody has wanted 
to collaborate. So, I am glad--I am glad we are getting some 
collaboration this morning.
    But did you want to say anything about this legacy network, 
from a geographic perspective, of what that does to put people 
behind? Because I think that is really what my two colleagues 
from the Central West were describing.
    And I think of them as two powerhouses. We have some 
investors from our state that are trying to build next 
generation modular reactors in Wyoming. And obviously, Boulder 
is already an epicenter of next generation energy technology.
    What does that do to put a region behind if they are 
sitting there with a legacy technology squarely not dealt with?
    Ms. Rinaldo. Yes. So, I would say I worked at the House 
Intelligence Committee for the authors of the Huawei Report. We 
have been studying this since 2012 and it just confounds me 
that it has taking this long to see movement in this space.
    But it just shows how important it is for Government to 
collaborate with industry and to be able to pass that 
information. And my old boss, the one that wrote the report, 
said he had his first briefing and realized that this needs to 
get out in the public sector, hence they wrote the classified 
and the unclassified.
    Through Open RAN, I would say that there has been a lot of 
change. There has been a lot of information sharing to the 
public sector since then, so we need to make sure that 
continues going forward to collaborate. We are all in this 
together. So again, I think----
    The Chair. How far does it put a region behind if it still 
is one of these regions that has a legacy problem? I mean, are 
people just going to say, I am going to go somewhere else? And 
here we are trying to expand more development in more places.
    There is a lot of innovation to take place in the United 
States of America, and I personally believe you got to have a 
few things like airports, but you certainly also have to have 
networks that are free of any kind of government backdoors.
    Ms. Rinaldo. No, absolutely, right and connectivity is the 
base of the entire foundation of our economic ecosystem. If we 
can't get that right, then we struggle having other things fall 
in place, like the airports, our transportation networks. So, 
it is critical that we do this. We do it right.
    The Chair. So, do you think people are looking at those 
regions now and raising questions?
    Ms. Rinaldo. Yes, absolutely.
    The Chair. Interesting. OK, Senator Lujan.

                STATEMENT OF HON. BEN RAY LUJAN, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM NEW MEXICO

    Senator Lujan. Thank you, Chair Cantwell, and thank you for 
convening this important hearing today. As we know, Congress 
faces many challenges in telecom, and I am worried that we 
don't have the tools needed to face all the challenges in front 
of us.
    The House just sent the Senate legislation to address 
foreign ownership and interference in social media. Section 230 
and its liability waiver are under intense scrutiny. Our 
communications networks and online platforms remain vulnerable 
to nearly daily privacy violations.
    The Universal Service Fund is facing unprecedented legal 
challenges, and at the end of April, the Affordable 
Connectivity Program will run out of money. The CHIPS and 
Science Act remains underfunded. Wireless providers face a 
mandate to remove Chinese manufactured equipment from cell 
towers and replace it with secure, trusted hardware. And 
Congress has so far failed to agree on national spectrum 
policy.
    One common factor of all of these, besides that they all 
fall under the jurisdiction of this committee and the 
communications subcommittee, one common factor is these are all 
highly technical problems.
    I am worried that the Legislative Branch underinvested in 
the tools and institutions that we need to address these 
challenges. Congress, and the Senate, and this committee have a 
duty to explore the evidence and establish facts. So, I am 
grateful that this committee and our chair are exercising its 
jurisdiction to explore this complex problem. But for over a 
year, we have continued to disagree on the facts.
    When it comes to certain spectrum bands, NTIA and the FCC 
often say one thing, and other agencies, or staff within the 
agency come to the Hill and say something else. Debate is 
essential, but different Federal agencies even disagree on what 
is technically feasible, and it is simply unacceptable.
    So, to the panel, my question is this, yes or no, should 
Congress pass legislation that improves interagency 
coordination such that the Executive Branch has a unified voice 
when it comes to spectrum policy? Mr. Johnson.
    Mr. Johnson. Absolutely, Senator. And not to--there is. It 
can't be a Pollyanna. There will always be turf wars. There 
will always be disagreements.
    But if we don't--if we are not able to come to a unified 
position, then the United States will fall behind specifically 
China. And that, if we do that, the future is China's. So, it 
starts with having a unified U.S. position, and we can do this. 
We have done it before, we need to do it again.
    Senator Lujan. Sounds like a resounding yes. Ms. Rinaldo.
    Ms. Rinaldo. Yes, absolutely. And I would love to work with 
you on that.
    Senator Lujan. Dr. Ghosh.
    Dr. Ghosh. Yes, absolutely. Fact based is what we should be 
going after.
    Senator Lujan. Appreciate that. Ms. Brown.
    Ms. Brown. Yes. We--absolutely need a transparent process 
where all stakeholder voices get heard. And more than that, 
even more than one decision, we need finality in that decision, 
as we have seen before. Thank you.
    Senator Lujan. Dr. Furchtgott-Roth
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. Yes, Senator. And my understanding is 
actually under current law, NTIA actually has this 
responsibility. And somehow, anything you can do to reinforce 
that so that the Administration speaks with one voice and not 
alternate voices.
    Senator Lujan. Appreciate that. Dr. Furchtgott-Roth, in 
your testimony, you stated that the United States was 
unquestionably at the forefront of commercial spectrum policy. 
In 1993, Congress gave the FCC authority to auction spectrum.
    Other countries emulated us, establishing independent 
regulatory agencies, allowing unlicensed devices, commencing 
spectrum auctions, and promoting competition in wireless 
services.
    In your history as a Congressional staffer, a former FCC 
Commissioner, and in your work and research since then, has 
spectrum ever been a partisan issue?
    Dr. Furchtgott-Roth. No, Senator. It hasn't been and it 
never should be.
    Senator Lujan. I agree with that, and we can retake our 
leadership position. To do so, we must lead the world in 
developing the next generation of not only spectrum technology, 
but spectrum policy.
    So, I am hopeful that Congress can find agreement in 
getting the job done here. Dr. Ghosh, I believe the United 
States can lead the world in developing technology and policy 
for dynamic spectrum sharing. In my subcommittee hearing last 
Congress, we focused on the lessons learned from the CBRS band.
    Now, Dr. Ghosh, as you said in your testimony, CBRS 
demonstrated conclusively that spectrum can be shared 
successfully between mission critical applications, such as 
Navy radar, and commercial applications.
    Should the Federal Government not only enact policy but 
also invest resources in the development of dynamic spectrum 
policy?
    Dr. Ghosh. Absolutely, yes. And I think when we are talking 
about dynamic spectrum sharing, all systems that are going to 
be sharing should be designed from day one to operate robustly 
in a shared spectrum environment. So that includes both Federal 
systems, as well as commercial systems.
    Senator Lujan. I appreciate that. And Madam Chair, I would 
like to ask unanimous consent to submit into the record a 
letter signed by 25 organizations that are writing to renew the 
Federal Communications Commission's auction authority and use 
$7 billion of the projected revenue to fund the Affordable 
Connectivity Program.
    The Chair. Without objection.
    [The information referred to follows:]

                                                     March 21, 2024

Hon. Maria Cantwell,
Chairwoman,
Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee,
Washington, DC.

Hon. Ted Cruz,
Ranking Member,
Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee,
Washington, DC.

Dear Chairwoman Cantwell and Ranking Member Cruz,

    The undersigned 25 organizations write to urge you to act 
expeditiously to renew the Federal Communications Commission's auction 
authority and use $7 billion of the projected revenue to fund the 
Affordable Connectivity Program (ACP.) The ACP serves as a critical 
lifeline for millions of low-income households in America, ensuring 
that families across the country can afford access to the high-speed 
Internet necessary to participate in today's society. Unfortunately, 
the Federal Communications Commission projects that the program will 
run out of funds in little over a month. Without this funding, tens of 
millions of people will either struggle to maintain access to the 
Internet or lose access entirely. We will revert to a situation where 
children must do their homework in McDonald's parking lots, where job 
seekers cannot look for work opportunities, and where the sick and 
elderly will lose access to critical telehealth services. Congress can 
prevent these outcomes and continue our progress towards affordable, 
universal Internet access by renewing the FCC's spectrum auction 
authority.
    The ACP targets the affordability component of the digital divide 
by offering a monthly Internet discount to qualifying low-income 
households, households in high-cost areas, and households on tribal 
lands. While the program was created in response to the unique 
conditions posed by COVID-19, enrollment has continued to grow in the 
years following the pandemic--from 1.5 million households enrolled in 
May of 2021 to its current size of 23 million households.\1\
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    \1\ ACP and EBB Enrollment and Claims Tracker. The Universal 
Service Administrative Company. Accessed March 2024.
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    As the program's enduring popularity indicates, Americans' 
increasing connectivity needs were not transitory, they are the new 
normal--and Americans' use of the Internet and perspectives about the 
Internet have evolved accordingly. An October 2023 Consumer Reports 
study revealed that the percentage of people who rely on the Internet 
seven days a week increased by ten percentage points--from 75 percent 
to 85 percent--from February 2021 to October 2023. The same survey 
found that 78 percent of Americans believe the Internet is as important 
as other basic household utilities.\2\ It is critical that Congress 
continues to acknowledge what is already evident to the majority of 
Americans: Internet access is essential and generates real, material 
benefits.
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    \2\ American Experiences Survey Report. Consumer Reports. November 
2023.
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    In opening the doors to myriad commercial, professional, and social 
opportunities, the ACP allows communities that are traditionally left 
behind to share in the economic and communal benefits of our digital 
world. Almost half of the ACP's 23 million enrollees are over the age 
of 50.\3\ For many seniors living on a fixed income, losing the ACP 
means returning to a world of hard choices; such as the choice between 
Internet access and prescription medications, other utilities, or food. 
Equally importantly, the ACP allows demographics with mobility 
challenges, including elderly and disabled populations, a meaningful 
avenue for social inclusion. The ACP's capacity to build community also 
extends beyond interpersonal isolation and counters historic forms of 
exclusion. One in four enrolled households are Black, and another one 
in four households are Hispanic and Latino--populations which are 
historically disproportionately likely to lack home broadband 
connectivity.\4\ And for the over 300,000 ACP-enrolled households who 
reside on tribal lands, where broadband bills frequently exceed $120 a 
month, these dollars are a necessary measure to ensure that tribal 
communities share in America's prosperity.\5\
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    \3\ ACP Enrollment and Claims Tracker (Enrollment by Age). 
Universal Service Administrative Company. Accessed March 2024.
    \4\ Home Broadband Adoption, Computer Ownership vary by Race, 
Ethnicity in the U.S. Pew Research. July 2021.
    \5\ The Cost of Connectivity in the Navajo Nation. The Open 
Technology Institute. October 2020.
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    Due to the interconnected nature of the internet, the ACP offers a 
host of direct and indirect social and economic benefits. Research 
analysis from the Benton Institute has shown that for every dollar of 
ACP subsidy, there are nearly two dollars in financial returns to those 
using the program, including gains in professional productivity and 
opportunities as well as time saved from access to online commerce.\6\ 
This research is corroborated by the FCC's surveys, which indicate that 
nearly 50 percent of ACP subscribers use their service to apply for 
jobs or to work, shoring up local labor markets.\7\ These opportunities 
translate to real financial returns--households using a discounted 
Internet offer see average annual income boosts of about $2,200. This 
dynamic not only matters within the microcosm of a household, but 
within the broader economic landscape of the broadband industry.
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    \6\ The Affordable Connectivity Program Creates Benefits that Far 
Outweigh the Program's Costs. The Benton Institute. March 2024.
    \7\ ACP Consumer Survey. The Federal Communications Commission. 
February 2024.
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    The $42.5 billion dollars deployed through the Broadband Equity, 
Access, and Deployment (BEAD) program mark another critical investment 
in underserved broadband communities--in particular, rural and tribal 
communities. However, we will struggle to unlock the full potential of 
those benefits without an ACP-backed user base. The BEAD and ACP funds 
were designed to approach the digital divide in a complementary 
fashion, by building out the supply of broadband infrastructure and a 
corresponding, stable base of subsidized demand so carriers can operate 
in that area economically. Therefore, to lose investment in one half of 
this equation is to jeopardize the gains in the other--and conversely, 
when we invest in broadband, we create ripple effects of prosperity 
felt by the broader community.
    One year out from the lapse of the FCC's auction authority, 
Congress has a unique opportunity to advance our national spectrum 
goals while simultaneously generating sufficient revenue to support the 
connectivity needs of millions of Americans. We urge you to take swift 
action to protect these gains in connectivity by passing legislation to 
renew the FCC's auction authority and fund the ACP. In doing so, we can 
realize the ambitions of our infrastructure investments, close the 
digital divide, and ensure that every American has access to the 
social, economic, and professional benefits connectivity has to offer.
            Sincerely,

Access Humboldt
American Association of People with Disabilities
American Association for Public Broadband
American Library Association
The Benton Institute for Broadband & Society
Center for Rural Strategies
Common Cause
Common Sense
Connected Nation
Demand Progress
EducationSuperHighway
Fight for the Future
Free Press Action
The Greenlining Institute
Institute for Local Self-Reliance
Mississippi Broadband Association
National Consumer Law Center
National Digital Inclusion Alliance (NDIA)
National Disability Rights Network (NDRN)
Native Public Media
NETWORK Lobby for Catholic Social Justice
Open Technology Institute
Public Knowledge
Schools, Health & Libraries Broadband (SHLB) Coalition
United Church of Christ Media Justice Ministry

    Senator Lujan. I yield back.
    The Chair. Thank you so much, Senator Lujan, for your 
leadership here and for your hearings and sharing various 
focuses on this issue to bring more light into how we can 
collaborate. Senator Schmitt.

                STATEMENT OF HON. ERIC SCHMITT, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM MISSOURI

    Senator Schmitt. Thank you, Madam Chair. Over the last 
three years, the U.S. has ceded leadership both domestically 
and internationally as it relates to spectrum management and 5G 
innovation.
    The responsibility for this deviation from America's 
supremacy almost exclusively lies at the feet of the current 
President and this Administration for the lack of focus, 
attention, or direction on these critical issues.
    We have seen almost zero action from the Biden White House 
in heading off China, whether it is in Rip and Replace and 
addressing the presence of Chinese telecom companies such as 
Huawei and ZTE in our networks, freeing up more spectrum for 
commercial use, or asserting leadership abroad in international 
forums like the World Radio Conference or on spectrum 
standards. The list goes on and on and on.
    But what is clear is this Administration's effort to 
address the China threat and assert U.S. spectrum leadership 
has fallen flat on its face. Instead, this White House has 
prioritized injecting woke politics into our Nation's 
telecommunications policies. Some examples include the Commerce 
Department coercing Internet providers to combat climate 
change, or prioritizing hiring past criminals as a condition 
for Federal broadband program funding.
    Additionally, we have seen them engage in Government power 
grab antics like Internet rate regulation in combating so-
called ``digital discrimination practices.'' None of these 
actions address the urgent and critical issues of network 
security, spectrum leadership, and our strategic competition 
with China.
    This current Administration's initiatives stand in stark 
contrast with the proactive leadership of President Trump. 
Under the Trump Administration, the FCC released record amounts 
of spectrum for licensed 5G use and thousands of Megahertz for 
unlicensed use.
    Thanks to that--to the Trump Administration, America went 
from standing still to leading the globe in 5G innovation. 
Additionally, President Trump took the China threat head on by 
working with Congress to pass the Secure and Trusted Networks 
Act, taking important actions to protect our networks from 
Huawei and ZTE and asserting U.S. leadership in international 
forums to secure 5G networks.
    Late last year, President Biden released his long awaited 
national spectrum strategy. While some--while many were 
expecting a strategy that lays out a timeline for making 
specific spectrum bands available for a variety of licensed, 
shared, or unlicensed commercial use, Biden's strategy did none 
of that.
    Instead, the current Administration strategy, and I use 
that term loosely, failed to make a single Megahertz or 
spectrum available. Let's be clear, this failure of strategy by 
the Biden Administration puts our Nation further behind the 
eight ball as China continues to push forward with 5G 
innovation.
    There are plenty of proposals offered here in Congress, 
including my Launch Communications Act to help modernize our 
Nation's spectrum policies and strengthen America's efforts 
domestically, abroad, and in space. While many will differ over 
how to best position our Nation spectrum strategy, it is 
important that any approach maximizes America's innovation and 
promotes the diverse supplier base of our Internet ecosystem.
    However, thanks to the Biden Administration, our Nation has 
a strategy of stagnation at a time when technological 
leadership is more crucial than ever. America is not just 
falling behind, it is faltering as a direct consequence of this 
Administration's tactics, while China is nearing the final turn 
of the race on 5G.
    We cannot allow that to happen, and I remain committed to 
working with members of this committee to ensure our Nation 
does not fall behind. Madam chair, I yield back.
    The Chair. Thank you, Senator Schmitt. I think that 
concludes our hearing for today, at least for members who are 
planning on making it over.
    So, I want to thank again our witnesses for this 
illumination about really how much you actually agree on moving 
forward on some policies, and how much these efforts to 
optimize, and integrate, and collaborate mean something for our 
future. So, hopefully we can demonstrate that and do that.
    You will have--Senators will have until the end of business 
on Thursday, April 4 to submit questions for the record, and we 
will have to the end of business on April 18 to submit your 
responses for our committee record.
    So, thank you again, and we are adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 12:19 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]

                            A P P E N D I X

   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Maria Cantwell to 
                             Monisha Ghosh
Smart Spectrum Policy
    We have seen firsthand how a fractured domestic approach to 
spectrum management threatens domestic and national security. The 
former Administration's hands-off policies resulted in interagency 
disputes.
    We can avoid this by creating a unified approach to domestic 
spectrum policy, where agencies with critical missions such as the FAA 
and DoD work together with NTIA--cooperatively--on spectrum. The Biden 
Administration's framework outlined in the Presidential Memorandum on 
Modernizing United States Spectrum Policy does this.
    We are at our best when we work together. Facilitating a 
collaborative approach to domestic spectrum policy will ensure a 
unified front on the world stage. A smart approach to spectrum will 
allow the U.S. to lead on international policies and advance our 
national security interests.

    Question 1. Dr. Ghosh, how in your view have the interagency 
spectrum disputes of the past harmed national security, and why is it 
so important to restore order to the process?
    Answer. Interagency spectrum disagreements should be addressed in a 
scientific manner based on analysis and data. Airing such disputes 
publicly in the media detracts from the authority of all involved 
agencies and projects to the international community that the U.S. has 
internal divisions that are not being resolved in a fair and balanced 
manner: this reduces our credibility and can endanger national security 
by inadvertently signaling weaknesses in our policies. It is thus 
extremely important to restore order to the process so that possible 
spectrum disputes are addressed well ahead of any allocations that may 
be controversial. The process laid out in the National Spectrum 
Strategy and Implementation Plan sets the right tone in managing 
sometimes contentious spectrum differences. In order to meet the 
spectrum needs of all applications, commercial Federal and scientific, 
it is also important that the relevant agencies are open and 
transparent about their actual spectrum uses and needs. Spectrum 
hoarding by any entity does not benefit society since it results in 
spectrum inefficiencies and hurts innovation by limiting access to 
spectrum.
    Timely resolution of potential interference issues when new 
allocations are being considered, either co-channel or adjacent 
channel, requires research to be done well in advance of potential 
changes in spectrum allocations. Since stakeholders will naturally be 
biased towards their applications, there needs to be independent 
evaluation of potential interference scenarios. Here, the academic 
research community can play a critical role. For example, the National 
Science Foundation funded my research in 6 GHz which was based on 
unbiased measurements and presented to the FCC \1\ as an independent 
analysis of the probability of interference to incumbent fixed 
microwave links. With adequate funding, SpectrumX \2\ and other 
academics with the required expertise can work alongside the spectrum 
regulatory agencies, NTIA and FCC, in critically evaluating potential 
interference scenarios before any allocation decisions are made.
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    \1\ Ex-parte submission on 6 GHz measurements to FCC OET Docket 18-
295, Unlicensed Use of the 6 GHz Band, July 21, 2023, https://
www.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/107211592305290/1
    \2\ SpectrumX, an NSF Spectrum Innovation Center, https://
www.spectrumx.org/
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Kyrsten Sinema to 
                             Monisha Ghosh
    Question 1. What have been the key shortcomings of previous 
spectrum policy determinations, and how have commercial entities both 
failed and succeeded in the past to effectively take into account the 
need for national security access and use of the spectrum?
    Answer. In my opinion, while past spectrum policy determinations 
could have proceeded more efficiently, there have not been any major 
shortcomings. Admittedly, the 5G/altimeter issue in the C-band and the 
5G/weather-radar issue at 24 GHz should have been better handled, and 
could have been, with more in-depth, unbiased research in advance of 
the spectrum allocations. Both new commercial entrants and incumbent, 
perhaps federal, users will tend to protect their needs and advocate 
for their stakeholders, and hence there is an urgent need for more 
unbiased and fair studies of possible interference before new 
allocations are made. Here is where increased funding for unbiased 
academic research can help the agencies, NTIA and FCC, in their task.
    In most cases, protection of national security needs has been front 
and center when new spectrum has been allocated, such as the CBRS band 
where Navy radars have been protected by a sensing and database 
approach that has, as far as we know, never caused interference to the 
Federal incumbent. In 3.45-3.55 GHz, industry worked with NTIA and FCC 
to protect areas of the country where critical Federal operations 
needed to continue. In order to develop these techniques however, all 
sides need to be open and transparent, to the extent possible, about 
actual spectrum use and need.

    Question 2. Are there adequate policies and procedures in place as 
we modernize and optimize our spectrum use and infrastructure to 
balance future national defense needs of and access to spectrum with 
the commercial and scientific stakeholders?

    a. If not, what needs to be added?
    Answer. As mentioned above, in my opinion, there needs to be more 
thorough, unbiased research studies into optimizing spectrum use 
between defense, commercial and scientific needs. Today, there is not 
enough information about actual use to perform these studies in a 
timely fashion. It can be challenging, since many Federal uses are 
classified, but we need to have a process to address this. The National 
Spectrum Strategy and Implementation Plan suggests some possible 
approaches, but more can be done, especially by leveraging the 
expertise that resides in academia.

    b. Recognizing that future technological development may be 
difficult to anticipate, do those policies and procedures account for 
access and use of the spectrum by the Department of Defense (DoD) in 
the future as they respond to developments of spectrum use by our 
adversaries, which may be within spectrum bands the DoD no longer has 
access to?
    Answer. Spectrum use and allocations are changing, worldwide, with 
every country facing similar challenges as the U.S. in balancing the 
needs of federal, commercial and scientific uses. The U.S. leads the 
world today in the use of Dynamic Spectrum Sharing (DSS) technologies, 
such as those used in CBRS, 6 GHz and TV White Spaces. These were all 
innovations that were conceived of and implemented domestically and 
maturing and growing DSS is the only way that one can build systems for 
uncertain spectrum environments of the future. ALL future wireless 
systems, commercial, Federal and even scientific, need to be 
``frequency agile'', a core requirement of DSS, i.e., be able to 
respond to interference and move operations to other frequency bands. 
This capability will ensure that DoD will always have access to the 
bands they operate in now because these will not be taken away, since 
bands are shared: Navy radars always have priority access in CBRS even 
though the band is shared by commercial users. AI and ML techniques for 
detecting interference and managing spectrum in a dynamic manner have 
been studied in academia for a few years now and our spectrum policy 
should seek ways of accelerating this research so that they can be 
applied to future spectrum challenges. By not moving fast, we leave the 
door open for other nations, including adversaries, to wrest the lead 
we have today in developing DSS. As pointed out in the Joint White 
House Statement \3\, ``6G technologies that use spectrum efficiently 
and incorporate spectrum sharing mechanisms by design to coexist with 
incumbent service providers'' should be a goal.
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    \3\ Joint Statement Endorsing Principles for 6G, https://
www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/26/joint-
statement-endorsing-principles-for-6g-secure-open-and-resilient-by-
design/

    c. What do we need to consider in spectrum optimization to account 
for the agility certain adversaries have in spectrum allocation and 
their ability to prioritize their own security considerations over 
commercial interests?
    Answer. As explained above, we need to leverage advanced spectrum 
management technologies to keep our lead in the federal, commercial and 
scientific applications that depend on spectrum, all of which 
contribute to national security. In my opinion, long term research 
funding is required to accomplish these goals, in collaboration with 
academia, industry and government agencies. Spectrum can be shared 
quite effectively amongst various stakeholders by designing suitable 
strategies. For example, with the increase in commercial requirements 
for wireless communications indoors (e.g., factory automation), one can 
reuse spectrum that is used by incumbents outdoors, using lower power 
indoors. This is the sharing mechanism used in the 6 GHz band with 
outdoor fixed links and could be reused in other Federal bands such as 
7-8 GHz, without requiring the Federal incumbents to discontinue 
operations in the band. High power, exclusively licensed spectrum as 
used in cellular deployments today do not serve the needs of indoor 
wireless very well, especially at these frequencies. Extending the 
sharing model pioneered in CBRS to newer bands should be pursued.

    d. What is the feedback you have received from the DoD and other 
national security stakeholders on the Dynamic Spectrum Sharing concept 
referenced in testimony to optimize spectrum use?
    Answer. My limited interactions with the DoD lead me to believe 
that they are open to sharing if their priority status is maintained 
and exposure to harmful interference is limited. I believe these 
objectives can be met, but we have to be more innovative on how we 
accomplish this. True sharing, i.e., DoD and commercial use coexisting 
in the same spectrum, over the same geography and at the same time, is 
extremely difficult if the commercial use requires high-power, outdoor 
operation from base-stations installed on tall towers, which is the 
case for a mobile cellular network. However, if we consider other 
deployment scenarios, such as medium-power, lower-height, small-cell 
deployments, or indoor deployments, true sharing may be possible. I 
believe that prior investigations into the 3.1-3.45 GHz band, for 
instance, did not fully evaluate all these alternatives. I hope that 
future investigations will do so since there are many ways of meeting 
the connectivity needs of homes and businesses other than high powered 
cellular systems.

    Question 3. Again, recognizing that we can never fully anticipate 
what areas of the spectrum our adversaries may be utilizing or 
researching for their own weapons systems development, is it possible 
to identify certain geographic areas within the Nation to exclude from 
the sale of exclusive access of the spectrum in order to preserve DoD 
access and flexibility in testing and training within such limited 
geographic area(s)?

    a. Would such an area for test and evaluation be of value to the 
commercial and scientific stakeholders as well? If so, how?
    Answer. Yes, I believe that selective geographic areas for 
exclusive access can be preserved for test and evaluation by the DoD, 
similar to the National Radio Quiet Zone at Greenbank \4\ for 
radioastronomy. However, since our adversaries could be using spectrum 
bands that we do not know about, I believe that DoD systems should be 
built to withstand interference in any band and detect adversaries in 
any band. Dynamic Spectrum Sharing (DSS) can allow both DoD and 
commercial systems to be built with this resilience: this also 
increases spectrum efficiency without compromising performance.
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    \4\ National Radio Quiet Zone, Greenbank Observatory, https://
greenbankobservatory.org/about/national-radio-quiet-zone/

    b. Would there be any anticipated concerns from commercial or 
scientific stakeholders that you are aware of?
    Answer. Reserving certain geographical areas for DoD test and 
evaluation may be of concern to commercial and scientific stakeholders 
if these areas were significantly large or affected the deployment or 
capability of the commercial and scientific uses. If located in remote 
areas, then there should be minimal concerns.

    Question 4. The U.S. Army's Buffalo Soldier Electronic Testing and 
Training Range at Fort Huachuca, Arizona currently serves as a 
technical demonstration platform that is critical to the DoD by 
enabling research and development, driving technological advancement, 
bolstering national security, informing effective policies, and 
advancing scientific discovery.

    a. As part of the National Spectrum Strategy and the need to 
develop a national testbed for dynamic spectrum sharing (DSS), is it 
possible to co-locate the DSS testbed with the Buffalo Soldier 
Electronic Testing and Training Range at Fort Huachuca and the Western 
Regional Range Complex concept in general to enable DoD, Federal 
agencies, and national policymakers to work cooperatively with 
industry, researchers, and academia to objectively identify 
optimization opportunities and examine new technologies?
    Answer. If Fort Huachuca meets the conditions needed by the DSS 
testbed as described in the National Spectrum Strategy Implementation 
plan, then it is certainly possible to locate it there. A DSS testbed 
needs an incumbent and the new entrant to be both available at the 
test-site. For example, a 3.1-3.45 GHz DSS testbed would require a 5G 
network (at that frequency) and the airborne radars that are the 
incumbents to be deployed along with the sharing mechanism. Industry, 
government and academia could collaboratively develop such a testbed 
with adequate funding to deploy the required elements.

    b. Would co-locating these activities reduce or eliminate 
duplication of other efforts and synchronize other relevant research 
and engineering activities already under way across the government with 
respect to AI/ML, zero-trust networks, data-source management, autonomy 
and autonomous systems, and advanced radar technologies?
    Answer. Without specific knowledge of the activities already 
underway elsewhere across the government, I cannot determine if 
duplication will be reduced or eliminated. The intent of the 
implementation plan is to test and evaluate DSS in various scenarios. 
According to the Implementation Plan, ``A National DSS Testbed will be 
created for dynamic sharing technology, consisting of a federated 
network of sites providing complementary capabilities.'' \5\ Fort 
Huachuca could offer an outdoor sharing environment whereas other sites 
could offer a different sharing environment, for example indoor 
commercial systems sharing spectrum with airborne radars in 3.1-3.45 
GHz. It is important to have a diversity of testing environments to 
ensure that DSS is robust.
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    \5\ The National Spectrum Strategy Implementation Plan, https://
www.ntia.gov/sites/default/files/publications/national-spectrum-
strategy-implementation-plan.pdf
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ben Ray Lujan to 
                             Monisha Ghosh
Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing (EMBRSS) Feasibility 
        Assessment Report
    As I said in-person in the hearing, the United States can retake 
our leadership position on spectrum. To do so, we must lead the world 
in developing the next generation of not only spectrum technology, but 
spectrum policy. The U.S. Depart of Defense recently released an 
unclassified version of the Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing 
(EMBRSS) Feasibility Assessment Report as required by the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA). The assessment found ``a 
[Dynamic Spectrum Management System] DSMS, that evolves the CBRS 
framework in the 3550-3700 MHz band, with advanced interference 
mitigation features which can address the needs of all systems, 
including the unique needs of airborne systems, provides a feasible 
path forward for spectrum sharing between the Federal and commercial 
systems in the 3100-3450 MHz band [emphasis added]'' (Page 220; U.S. 
Department of Defense, EMBRSS Feasibility Assessment Report; released 
September 2023, unclassified report released April 3, 2024).

    Question 1. Now that the EMBRSS Report is public, does it provide a 
roadmap for future public and private investment into the regulations 
and technology necessary to open up spectrum availability through 
dynamic spectrum sharing? If it does not provide a roadmap, what other 
steps are necessary?
    Answer. Yes, it does. The EMBRSS Report encouraged investigating 
dynamic spectrum sharing as a solution for the 3.1-3.45 GHz band. In my 
opinion, this is the correct way forward. However, future 
investigations should include all types of sharing, not just with high-
power exclusively licensed uses, but also, for example, with medium-
power uses, like in CBRS and indoor deployments that leverage the 
national isolation provided by buildings. The shared spectrum model 
established in CBRS has not only protected incumbent DoD services (Navy 
radars) but also resulted in a multitude of innovative applications \6\ 
that are not well served by either high-power exclusive licensed 
spectrum (cellular) or low-power unlicensed (Wi-Fi): these include 
community networks to serve underserved areas, factory automation and 
remote oil-field monitoring \7\. However, the CBRS model needs to be 
enhanced to accommodate the different types of incumbents in 3.1-3.45 
GHz and the collaborative process announced by the National Spectrum 
Consortium (NSC) on April 9, 2024 \8\ will bring together academia, 
industry and government to develop appropriate solutions. In order to 
be successful in developing unique dynamic spectrum sharing mechanisms, 
this process needs collaboration from all stakeholders as well as a 
neutral evaluation which academia can provide.
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    \6\ Bridging the Digital Divide in South Bend, https://www.nd.edu/
stories/bridging-the-digital-divide/
    \7\ Celona Case Studies in oil-refinery monitoring, industrial 
control etc., https://www.celona.io
/case-studies
    \8\ National Spectrum Consortium Re-Launches PATHSS to Develop New 
Spectrum Solutions, https://www.nationalspectrumconsortium.org/news-
detail/national-spectrum-consortium-re-launches-pathss
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 Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. John Hickenlooper to 
                             Monisha Ghosh
Spectrum Relocation Fund
    The Spectrum Relocation Fund (SRF) has been effective in providing 
compensation for Federal agencies who are willing to share or 
reallocate their spectrum for non-federal purposes. However, the 
current statute limits reimbursements for agencies to modify their 
systems to adapt to a sharing or reallocation arrangement only up to a 
``comparable capability''.

    Question 1. Do you agree the ``comparable capability'' threshold 
under the current Spectrum Relocation Fund statute is limiting? What 
effect do you believe proposals would have by amending this threshold 
to allow for reimbursements, subject to review by the Technical Panel 
(including the Office of Management and Budget) to support ``enhanced 
capability'' or achieve a ``state of the art''?
    Answer. In my opinion, incumbent systems are often decades old, and 
it would definitely improve spectrum efficiency if the SRF could be 
used to upgrade these systems to state-of-the-art, to include spectrum 
sharing functionalities that most likely did not exist when these 
systems were developed. Additionally, any systems being designed today 
for future use should also incorporate frequency agility and the 
``hooks'' to enable spectrum sharing in the future, and, if 
appropriate, SRF should enable such capability.
    Under 47 U.S.C. 923(j), the Spectrum Relocation Fund establishes a 
preference that ``NTIA shall give priority to options involving 
reallocation of the band for exclusive non-federal use.'' Spectrum 
bands that are not occupied by a Federal agency are becoming 
increasingly scarce, which increases the necessity to finding 
coexistence regimes that protect Federal missions and also foster 
innovation in non-federal, commercial applications.

    Question 2. Do you believe these provisions establishing an SRF 
preference for exclusive non-federal users should be modernized to 
better reflect the current spectrum environment? Why or why not?
    Answer. Yes, I believe that all types of allocations should be 
considered, not just exclusive use. The current spectrum environment, 
and use cases, have changed considerably from when there were only two 
types of connectivity options available: cellular or Wi-Fi. Most 
wireless data usage has moved indoors \9\: these use cases can be 
better served by private 5G cellular networks deployed over shared 
spectrum using lower power than exclusively licensed spectrum, like we 
see today in the CBRS band using neutral hosts \10\. There will always 
be a need for high-power, exclusive spectrum to provide ubiquitous 
connectivity outdoors, however we need to evaluate the bandwidth needs 
of such spectrum versus shared spectrum. Today, there is only 150 MHz 
of shared spectrum compared to almost 2 GHz of unlicensed spectrum and 
600 MHz of exclusively licensed spectrum. In my opinion, it is less 
disruptive to Federal operations if a Federal band were to be shared 
with a non-federal system (like in CBRS) compared to exclusive use 
which would require clearing of the band. Moreover, low-cost access to 
shared spectrum leads to more innovations \11\.
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    \9\ Energy Efficiency and Sustainability in Mobile Communications 
Networks, Dec 2023, https://www.5gamericas.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/
12/Energy-Efficiency-and-Sustainability-in-Mobile-Communications-
Networks-WP.pdf
    \10\ Celona in-building private network solution, https://uploads-
ssl.webflow.com/5e3277d251fd
9e4b90615367/65fceae399a036b3da883885_28490%20Celona%20-%20T-
mobile%20Infographic%
2007.pdf
    \11\ OnGo Alliance Use Cases for CBRS, https://ongoalliance.org/
ongo-solutions/
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  Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Raphael Warnock to 
                             Monisha Ghosh
Spectrum Authority
    Extending the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC) spectrum 
authority could enable greater funding for a variety of Federal 
programs, including the Affordable Connectivity Program.\12\ The 
Affordable Connectivity Program has helped over 700,000 Georgia 
families access the internet \13\ and is expected to run out of funding 
in April 2024.\14\
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    \12\ See Nicol Turner Lee and Jack Malamud, Reinstating the FCC's 
auction authority could save the Affordable Connectivity Program, 
Brookings Institution (Aug. 31, 2023), https://www.brookings.edu/
articles/reinstating-the-fccs-auction-authority-could-save-the-
affordable-connectivity-program.
    \13\ See ACP Enrollment and Claims Tracker, Universal Service 
Administrative Company, https://www.usac.org/about/affordable-
connectivity-program/acp-enrollment-and-claims-tracker.
    \14\ See Affordable Connectivity Program, Federal Communications 
Commission (Mar. 20, 2024), https://www.fcc.gov/acp.

    Question 1. How do programs such as the Affordable Connectivity 
Program promote connectivity for low-income, rural, and tribal 
communities?
    Answer. Programs such as the ACP enable all Americans access to 
broadband at speeds that are essential for many of the web applications 
that are commonly used today. This is especially true for many 
underserved communities in low-income regions. In South Bend, the ACP 
was instrumental in connecting 10,000 households to the internet: these 
households now face disruption in their service as the ACP ends.
National Spectrum Strategy
    In March 2024, the National Telecommunications and Information 
Administration (NTIA) released the National Spectrum Strategy (NSS) 
Implementation Plan.\15\ A major goal of the NSS is to train a spectrum 
workforce with the necessary skills to innovate across current and 
emerging technologies and meet the needs of an evolving wireless 
environment.\16\ To achieve this goal, NTIA outlined strategic outcomes 
to attract, train, and grow the current and next-generation spectrum 
workforce, such as developing a National Spectrum Workforce Plan and 
directing Federal agencies to proactively recruit talent at Minority-
Serving Institutions (MSIs) and Historically Black Colleges and 
Universities (HBCUs).\17\
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    \15\ Alan Davidson, National Spectrum Strategy Implementation Plan, 
National Telecommunications and Information Administration (Mar. 12, 
2024), https://www.ntia.gov/sites/default/files/publications/national-
spectrum-strategy-implementation-plan.pdf.
    \16\ Id at 22.
    \17\ Id at 22-23.

    Question 1. What barriers currently exist for colleges and 
universities with respect to training the future spectrum workforce?
    Answer. A future spectrum workforce needs to be well educated on a 
variety of topics, ranging from a fundamental understanding of the 
physics of propagation and knowledge of wireless systems to the latest 
AI/ML techniques that can be employed in Dynamic Spectrum Sharing and 
policy aspects. The technical expertise in these areas is usually 
spread across different departments such as Electrical Engineering and 
Computer Science, and spectrum policy issues usually reside in Law, 
Economics and Public Policy Schools, making it extremely challenging to 
train students to develop a well-rounded appreciation of the issues. 
Hence, there is a need to develop curricula that specifically addresses 
the skill set required for understanding how spectrum should be managed 
optimally, which is lacking in most universities today.

    Question 2. What steps can Congress take to ensure that HBCUs and 
MSIs are prepared to train the next generation spectrum workforce, and 
how do they address any unique barriers that HBCUs and MSIs face?
    Answer. The National Science Foundation funded SpectrumX as the 
Nation's first Spectrum Innovation Institute. One of the primary goals 
is to develop spectrum training, starting from increasing awareness in 
K-12 \18\, with a specific emphasis on broadening participation to 
include students and faculty from HBCUs and MSIs to engage in the 
research activities which are focused on many areas of spectrum: 
spectrum measurements, developing coexistence and sharing methods, 
building spectrum testbeds and impacting spectrum policy. There are 
about 14 such institutions affiliated with SpectrumX, with more being 
invited to join. SpectrumX is working closely with the NTIA in these 
efforts.
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    \18\ SpectrumX Education and Workforce Development, https://
www.spectrumx.org/research-and-education/education/
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    Congress can ensure that such initiatives continue to receive 
steady funding since such efforts take decades to mature, while NSF 
funding is usually limited to 5 years.
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      Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ted Cruz to 
                             Monisha Ghosh
Citizens Broadband Radio Service
    In response to a question from Sen. Capito during the hearing, you 
stated that Citizens Broadband Radio Service (CBRS) is proving to be 
``a great alternative to [getting rural and isolated communities 
connected].'' You went on to say, ``[CBRS is] shared spectrum but if 
you have a satellite backhaul . . .'' but were unable to complete the 
thought.

    Question 1. Please complete your thought.
    Answer. Often, lack of connectivity in rural areas is due to a lack 
of backhaul. In such cases, one can provide connectivity using 
satellite backhaul and a CBRS private network for local access. Such 
solutions are only possible if the spectrum needed for local access is 
made available for use with low barriers to entry. Wide-area 
connectivity, especially outdoors, cannot be delivered efficiently over 
unlicensed spectrum using Wi-Fi, and hence the only option in remote 
and rural areas that are unserved by cellular carriers using 
exclusively licensed spectrum, is private networks over shared 
spectrum, such as CBRS, along with satellite backhaul if fiber or 
microwave backhaul are not available. Here are some example of real 
deployments where satellite is used as a backhaul with local access 
provided over CBRS:

   Celona on Starlink Satellite Internet: https://
        docs.celona.io/en/articles/593
        6816-celona-on-starlink-satellite-internet

   CBRS and Starlink, Private LTE in the wild, https://
        markhoutz.com/2022/07/19/cbrs-and-starlink-private-lte-in-the-
        wild/

    Other applications that are enabled by such deployments include 
Precision Agriculture: most farms are hundreds of acres, and it is not 
cost effective to provide cellular connectivity at a level that is 
required for high-data rate applications. With the satellite + CBRS 
approach, one can deploy connectivity when and where it is needed: many 
precision agriculture applications are seasonal, for example, robots 
used in sowing in spring, or robots used in undercover crop planting in 
late fall and winter. Here are some links that may be helpful:

   Connecting Farms With Private Networks, OnGO Alliance, 
        https://ongoalliance
        .org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Connecting-Farms-with-Private-
        Networks_
        IG_Final.pdf

   Report form the FCC's Task Force on Precision Agriculture, 
        November 2023, https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/2023-
        Report-FCC-Precision-Ag-Task-Force.pdf

    Question 2. Would it be faster to deploy and/or less expensive to 
use CBRS sharing and satellite backhaul than to install a satellite 
dish at each user's residence and connect them to the Internet that 
way? If so, how?
    Answer. This would depend on many factors, primarily, the number of 
households needing connectivity and their proximity to each other. Far 
flung users in remote areas would be better served by individual 
satellite connections, but for other use cases, such as connectivity to 
schools and community centers, it may be more economical to have a 
single satellite backhaul with distribution over a 4G or 5G network 
deployed in the CBRS spectrum. While not using satellite backhaul, 
since fiber was available, the City of South Bend, in collaboration 
with the University of Notre Dame, deployed a CBRS network to serve 
hundreds of low-income households with free internet, and many other 
school districts around the country are deploying similar networks. 
Once again, low barrier to entry in terms of access to spectrum on a 
shared basis permits these types of innovative uses of 5G networks 
deployed in CBRS spectrum. However, the current availability of such 
spectrum, only 150 MHz, may not be enough to meet the growing needs of 
private networks which are being used for applications such as remote 
oil-field monitoring, warehouse connectivity and factory automation.

   Bridging the Digital Divide in South Bend, https://
        www.nd.edu/stories/bridging-the-digital-divide/

   Kansas City and South Bend Utilize CBRS to Build Affordable 
        Wireless Broadband Networks, https://www.kcdigitaldrive.org/
        article/kansas-city-and-south-bend-indiana-utilize-cbrs-to-
        build-affordable-wireless-broadband-networks/

   Celona Case Studies in oil-refinery monitoring, industrial 
        control etc., https://www.celona.io/case-studies
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Maria Cantwell to 
                             Mary L. Brown
Smart Spectrum Policy
    We have seen firsthand how a fractured domestic approach to 
spectrum management threatens domestic and national security. The 
former Administration's hands-off policies resulted in interagency 
disputes.
    We can avoid this by creating a unified approach to domestic 
spectrum policy, where agencies with critical missions such as the FAA 
and DoD work together with NTIA--cooperatively--on spectrum. The Biden 
Administration's framework outlined in the Presidential Memorandum on 
Modernizing United States Spectrum Policy does this.
    We are at our best when we work together. Facilitating a 
collaborative approach to domestic spectrum policy will ensure a 
unified front on the world stage. A smart approach to spectrum will 
allow the U.S. to lead on international policies and advance our 
national security interests.

    Question 1. How in your view have the interagency spectrum disputes 
of the past harmed national security, and why is it so important to 
restore order to the process?
    Answer. Interagency disputes over spectrum matters are not new. 
However, recent disputes have not been resolved through an orderly 
interagency process. The resulting disorganization has illustrated the 
challenges to the process of reaching consensus and making final 
decisions in an era where spectrum stakeholders feel empowered to 
challenge the notion that the public can rely on what has been decided. 
This is true not only in the interagency process, but also by 
commercial stakeholders--particularly those publicly (and 
unfortunately) calling on the FCC to make changes to the established 
decision to allocate the 6 GHz band for unlicensed services.
    To our adversaries keeping tabs on these fights and observing 
decisional disarray, it undermines U.S. spectrum leadership and calls 
into question our government's commitment to its global spectrum 
partners.
    Restoring order requires leadership. The Federal Communications 
Commission and the National Telecommunications and Information 
Administration--on behalf of the entire Executive Branch--are tasked 
with working to create optimal spectrum outcomes. Unfortunately, the 
era of easy spectrum leadership is over. In order to continue to lead 
and to ensure the U.S. position as the most innovative spectrum market 
in the world, agencies must accept two new realities:

    First, the old playbook of ``clear and auction'' isn't going to be 
the path of the future. As with nearly all technology matters, the path 
to continued innovation is rarely ``just keep doing what you're 
doing.'' Iterative, challenging, innovative technologies have been 
developed and deployed and represent an innovative and sensible best 
path forward for the U.S. to make even greater use of spectrum for all 
stakeholders.
    Second, agencies must participate in and embrace a comprehensive 
and inclusive process where a wide range of commercial industry and 
public interest opinions can be discussed along with Federal views. 
Each stakeholder agency in the process plays an important role--whether 
it's to articulate its mission parameters or to reconcile 
Administration positions--and accept that once an Administration has 
done the hard work of making sure that a wide range of stakeholders' 
views are heard and reconciled through the Executive Branch process, 
that the matter is decided. The Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) 
signed by the FCC and NTIA on spectrum matters ensures that 
conversations begin as early as possible to avoid conflicts between 
those two agencies and is a good start. Other Federal agencies should 
be held to the same standard--pay attention and engage early through 
the NTIA.
    However, the work does not end there. Foundational to a healthy 
dialogue is the willingness to admit another's expertise and a 
concomitant willingness to learn or to trust those willing to learn on 
their behalf. We should not expect agencies to be experts in 
technologies they do not design, but openness to learning and new ways 
of thinking--such as the Dynamic Spectrum Sharing ideas being explored 
by the Defense Department--need to be recognized for setting the right 
tone as all of us look toward a more crowded, and less siloed, Table of 
Allocations.
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ben Ray Lujan to 
                             Mary L. Brown
Wi-Fi Benefit to Internet Service Providers
    Ms. Brown, in past spectrum debates different parties often come to 
the Hill with competing proposals. That has especially true in debates 
over spectrum pipelines, where the wireless industry argues for more 
spectrum to be made available through auction for exclusive use, and 
device manufactures argue for more Wi-Fi. That dynamic has changed 
recently, where today you can see wireless and wireline providers 
offloading traffic on to Wi-Fi.

    Question 1. How do you see Wi-Fi's relationship with different 
players in the ecosystem, whether it be mobile network operators, 
satellite providers, telecommunications companies, cable providers, or 
fixed wireless Internet service providers?
    Answer. As the ``Swiss Army knife'' of wireless, Wi-Fi plays a 
critical and multi-faceted role in the wireless ecosystem. At its core, 
Wi-Fi provides ubiquitous connectivity in our homes, businesses, 
schools, and anchor institutions serving as our key connection to the 
internet. Thanks to Wi-Fi, broadband connections to the home and 
business are maximized and made available to a wide swath of devices 
and users at any premises served by broadband. For the bulk of 
consumers, Wi-Fi is the internet. However, Wi-Fi's benefits are not 
limited to just broadband networks. Wi-Fi can be used to build and/or 
supplement a Wireless Internet Service Provider (WISP) network, by 
carrying traffic to rural homes and then distributing the traffic to 
devices inside the home. It is a complement to mobile networks, 
offloading traffic that would otherwise use mobile infrastructure 
(e.g., cell towers and fiber backhaul). One mobile operator states that 
the amount of smartphone mobile traffic offloaded to broadband is as 
high as 87 percent--the lion's share of device traffic. That's good for 
mobile operators who do not need to manage extreme demand spikes, and 
good for consumers who care little about how a device connects, only 
that it does.
    Wi-Fi is used at the edge of every broadband connection--whether 
that connection is based on fiber, cable technology (DOCSIS), 
satellite, or even fixed 5G. Any broadband connection to your home or 
business ends in Wi-Fi because it is Wi-Fi that delivers traffic to and 
from your devices. Moreover, the number of devices with Wi-Fi 
connectivity (also called ``smart'' devices) just keeps growing in 
number and by category--the Wi-Fi Alliance reports 19.5 billion Wi-Fi 
devices in the global marketplace consisting of 80,000 unique products 
at last count. From this perspective, Wi-Fi reaches deeply into the 
consumer technology sector providing connectivity to appliances of all 
types, plumbing, security, hearing and electrical, athletic equipment, 
home health devices, and more.
Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing (EMBRSS) Feasibility 
        Assessment Report
    As I said in-person in the hearing, the United States can retake 
our leadership position on spectrum. To do so, we must lead the world 
in developing the next generation of not only spectrum technology, but 
spectrum policy. The U.S. Depart of Defense recently released an 
unclassified version of the Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing 
(EMBRSS) Feasibility Assessment Report as required by the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA). The assessment found ``a 
[Dynamic Spectrum Management System] DSMS, that evolves the CBRS 
framework in the 3550-3700 MHz band, with advanced interference 
mitigation features which can address the needs of all systems, 
including the unique needs of airborne systems, provides a feasible 
path forward for spectrum sharing between the Federal and commercial 
systems in the 3100-3450 MHz band [emphasis added]'' (Page 220; U.S. 
Department of Defense, EMBRSS Feasibility Assessment Report; released 
September 2023, unclassified report released April 3, 2024).

    Question 1. Now that the EMBRSS Report is public, does it provide a 
roadmap for future public and private investment into the regulations 
and technology necessary to open up spectrum availability through 
dynamic spectrum sharing? If it does not provide a roadmap, what other 
steps are necessary?
    Answer. The EMBRSS roadmap is quite clear: develop an evolved 
implementation of Citizens Broadband Radio Service (CBRS) sharing 
approach that meets a set of conditions spelled out in the document, 
and then test it to make certain it works.
    The conditions are straightforward: DoD's systems are and must 
continue to be treated as ``primary'' in the band for regulatory 
purposes; the band must be preemptable for national security purposes; 
development of new capability and equipment must address informational, 
operational and cyber security dimensions; the band needs to be open 
for testing and experimentation by defense vendors; the band must 
accommodate evolving Federal usage, including new and expanded systems; 
and the band must be operationalized with established interference 
safeguards. Two non-technical needs must also be addressed--(1) the 
Federal government needs to be exempted from liability for damages to 
commercial systems (2) Federal resource requirements must be addressed 
to allow this activity to be developed. None of this is surprising or 
unreasonable.
    U.S. industry interests that have been involved in the CBRS band 
have responded quite positively to the release of the redacted EMBRSS 
report and look forward to collaborating with DoD as the conversation 
toward Dynamic Spectrum Sharing in lower 3 GHz continues. NTIA's 
activities around its National Spectrum Strategy should not slow down 
the work that needs to be done to commercialize the lower 3 GHz 
spectrum but instead build upon (and not ignore) the significant work 
already accomplished in the EMBRSS report. We look forward to working 
with NTIA to quickly advance the interests of Federal and commercial 
users in this spectrum.
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 Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. John Hickenlooper to 
                             Mary L. Brown
Spectrum Relocation Fund
    The Spectrum Relocation Fund (SRF) has been effective in providing 
compensation for Federal agencies who are willing to share or 
reallocate their spectrum for non-federal purposes. However, the 
current statute limits reimbursements for agencies to modify their 
systems to adapt to a sharing or reallocation arrangement only up to a 
``comparable capability''.

    Question 1. Do you agree the ``comparable capability'' threshold 
under the current Spectrum Relocation Fund statute is limiting? What 
effect do you believe proposals would have by amending this threshold 
to allow for reimbursements, subject to review by the Technical Panel 
(including the Office of Management and Budget) to support ``enhanced 
capability'' or achieve a ``state of the art''?
    Answer. Enhanced capabilities should be available to Federal 
procurement. Viewed from a commercial perspective, there is no radio 
systems manager who--confronted with a need to replace a radio system--
would choose to source one of ``comparable capability.'' Developments 
in radio science are simply moving too fast. At a high level, Federal 
spectrum-based systems (including transmitters and receivers) should be 
evaluated as follows:--(1) does the system satisfy its mission and 
purpose; and (2) does the system promote spectral efficiency within the 
band of operation and adjacent to it, as well as demonstrate cost 
effectiveness measured over the system lifecycle.
    Under 47 U.S.C. 923(j), the Spectrum Relocation Fund establishes a 
preference that ``NTIA shall give priority to options involving 
reallocation of the band for exclusive non-federal use.'' Spectrum 
bands that are not occupied by a Federal agency are becoming 
increasingly scarce, which increases the necessity to finding 
coexistence regimes that protect Federal missions and also foster 
innovation in non-federal, commercial applications.

    Question 2. Do you believe these provisions establishing an SRF 
preference for exclusive non-federal users should be modernized to 
better reflect the current spectrum environment? Why or why not?
    Answer. Yes. Today the United States is in a leadership position on 
sharing and unlicensed spectrum and our Federal law should reflect that 
leadership by placing sharing and unlicensed technologies at least on 
equal footing with legacy exclusive use models.
    This provision of the Spectrum Relocation Fund, to prioritize the 
SRF for exclusive non-federal use, was adopted in 2012, and today has 
become obsolete and needs to be updated to reflect today's wireless 
ecosystem. First, in the past 12 years since this language was adopted, 
we have generated valuable knowledge about sharing and coexistence--not 
just the development of technological capability, but actual market-
based proof that sharing spectrum supports real business cases. 
Statutory language needs to reflect this reality.
    Here are just a few examples of developments since this language 
became law:

   In 2015, the FCC released its ground-breaking service rules 
        for the CBRS band, calling out how tiers of users with 
        different sets of spectrum rights would utilize the band.

   The WINNForum begins that same year to develop a standards-
        based approach to layering database-driven sharing on mobile 
        networks and technologies. New versions of its standards 
        continue to be updated and released.

   The ``On-Go Alliance'' forms to promote use of the CBRS band 
        in 2017.

   In 2018, the FCC released its auction approach and emissions 
        limits on end devices.

   January 2020: FCC authorizes full use of the CBRS band with 
        six Spectrum Access System (SAS) providers.

   Auctions for CBRS PALS licenses net $4.6 billion in revenue 
        in 2020 and more than 200 auction winners.

   In April 2020, the FCC releases rules for the operation of 
        Automated Frequency Control (AFC) systems for 6 GHz, kicking 
        off a substantial industry effort to develop and test the 
        database systems.

   The NTIA releases its review in May 2023 of CBRS band 
        performance in the 2021-23 timeframe, finding surprisingly fast 
        uptake against a backdrop of no interference issues:

     CBRS deployments grew at a steady rate with a mean 
            quarterly increase of 12.0 percent and a total increase of 
            121 percent over the 21-month analysis period.

     On January 1, 2023, there were 128,351 active CBSDs in 
            DPA-impacted counties with a total population of 
            232,348,897 residents.

     The number of CBSDs with Priority Access License (PAL) 
            grants grew consistently with a mean increase of 17 percent 
            per quarter, but General Authorized Access (GAA) CBSDs 
            dominated deployments. On January 1, 2023, four out of five 
            active CBSDs were GAA-only, 85 percent of the active grants 
            were GAA, and two-thirds of active CBSDs with a PAL grant 
            had at least one active GAA grant.

     More than 70 percent of all active CBSDs were deployed 
            in rural census blocks on January 1,2023.

   February 2024 inaugurates the first commercial AFC systems 
        for Wi-Fi in the 6 GHz band, when the FCC authorizes seven such 
        providers. This enables Wi-Fi to be used at ``standard power'' 
        levels because the databases prohibit Wi-Fi transmissions near 
        microwave link.

   April 2024 the Department of Defense convenes a process to 
        evaluate the development of Dynamic Spectrum Sharing with its 
        spectrum-based systems.

    These achievements are unprecedented and give the United States 
options that other countries do not have. Given that there is a desire 
to add new and varied uses to mid-band-spectrum, we should ensure that 
NTIA's processes can take full advantage of the technological 
capabilities that we have been working on for decades. 47 U.S.C. 923(j) 
needs to be updated and revised to give NTIA this needed flexibility to 
pursue sharing and unlicensed spectrum models.
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      Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ted Cruz to 
                             Mary L. Brown
Unlicensed Spectrum
    America has the best unlicensed and Wi-Fi capabilities in the 
world. As Americans continue to use Wi-Fi more and more each year, it 
is essential that we have a plan in place to protect U.S. leadership 
and preserve our competitive advantage over China.

    Question 1. How could S.3909, the Spectrum Pipeline Act of 2024, 
promote Wi-Fi technology?
    Answer. I would encourage reconsideration of the balance of 
spectrum set forth in the bill. Given the importance of Wi-Fi to 
consumers and our economy, unlicensed spectrum should be given greater 
emphasis in any spectrum pipeline legislation. As currently set forth 
in the legislation, exclusive high-power spectrum is guaranteed 10 
times the amount of spectrum as compared to unlicensed spectrum. This 
imbalance does not reflect how consumers use spectrum on a daily basis 
or the spectrum needs of the future, as Wi-Fi is projected to handle 
more and more data traffic every year.
    Moreover, the provision that identifies 125 MHz of new unlicensed 
spectrum is a beneficial first step, assuming the additional spectrum 
is the 7125-7250 MHz band as it is contiguous to existing unlicensed 
spectrum and already part of the Wi-Fi 7 specification. Contiguous 
spectrum provides the needed bandwidth to complete the 6 GHz channel 
plan for Wi-Fi, addressing the need for a stranded 320 MHz channel left 
incomplete by the FCC's 2020 decision (due to jurisdictional limits 
above 7125 MHz). Channel diversity in dense Wi-Fi deployments, Wi-Fi 
demand growth, and new types of devices (e.g., AR/VR) will exhaust the 
available channels in 6 GHz, and 7125-7250 MHz helps alleviate that. 
However, to be clear, 125 MHz of additional unlicensed spectrum will 
not be sufficient to satisfy the exponentially growing needs and 
demands of Wi-Fi into the future so the bill should be adjusted to 
devote substantially more spectrum to unlicensed uses.

    Question 2. Are further steps needed to ensure Wi-Fi's continued 
success and prevent our adversaries from dominating foreign telecom 
markets?
    Answer. Yes. Understanding the unqualified success of Wi-Fi is the 
first step in understanding how to keep it successful. The U.S.-led Wi-
Fi equipment industry historically is one that is characterized by 
large volumes--volumes that are multiple times those of licensed mobile 
technology. In 2023, the Wi-Fi industry shipped around the world 3.8 
billion chipsets--a number that continues to grow each year. In 
addition, application and device manufacturers design their products 
utilizing the latest Wi-Fi capabilities and spectrum availability, 
further compounding the U.S. vested interest and investment in global 
Wi-Fi.
    In order to ensure this market remains healthy, the U.S.-led Wi-Fi 
industry needs help and support from all branches of the U.S. 
government to convince countries to follow the U.S. lead on 6 GHz and 
unlicensed spectrum more generally. While we have worked closely with 
the current Administration over the past four years, including before 
and during the recent World Radio Conference, our industry continues to 
need senior engagement from the Commerce and State Departments, and the 
White House, if we are to continue the success of Wi-Fi into the 
future. While company officials are out in the world talking about Wi-
Fi spectrum every day, other countries need to hear that the U.S. 
government recognizes the necessity and value of Wi-Fi and unlicensed 
spectrum. In sharp contrast, China has made its support of the China-
dominated 5G equipment industry a priority for their senior foreign 
policy and commercial officers on behalf of its domestic manufacturers. 
We need to do the same for Wi-Fi which remains a vital link to the 
Internet for so many Americans.
    Moreover, it is critical that we continue to pursue a spectrum 
pipeline for unlicensed spectrum given that as much as 87 percent of 
mobile traffic is offloaded onto Wi-Fi. As mentioned above, your bill 
has the potential to complete a fourth Wi-Fi 7 channel in the 7125-7250 
MHz band. Unfortunately, that additional unlicensed spectrum will not 
be sufficient. As broadband pipes into the home get bigger and bigger, 
Wi-Fi 7 will need multiple 320 MHz channels to ensure Wi-Fi does not 
become the bottleneck to gigabit broadband speeds for consumers. We 
encourage you to consider directing the FCC to prioritize opening up a 
reasonable balance of licensed and unlicensed spectrum in a way that 
recognizes the full wireless ecosystem.
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     Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. John Thune to 
                             Mary L. Brown
    Question. In your written testimony, you provide critical detail on 
how the People's Republic of China sought to undermine U.S. policy 
preferences at the World Radio Conference, particularly regarding 
supporting Wi-Fi technology. Simply put, why does China oppose Wi-Fi?
    Answer. China acts in its self-interest. Unlike the United States, 
China is characterized by centrally controlled broadband infrastructure 
and connectivity, limited and controlled ``competition,'' highly 
regulated content, a larger population concentrated in large cities, 
and an approach to security that emphasizes centralized governmental 
control, surveillance, and adherence to Communist Party beliefs. Once 
China has settled on an approach to a spectrum band that meets its 
domestic needs, it then turns its attention to the rest of world and 
attempts to impose its domestic vision on global economies and 
political structures in order to provide market opportunities to 
Chinese vendors.
    Mobile networks operated by Chinese providers or supplied with 
Chinese equipment can be used more easily to facilitate surveillance. 
In contrast with Wi-Fi, a user could roam through multiple networks in 
the course of a day--home, coffee shop, work, restaurant, grocery 
store, etc.--without being tracked by a central network operator. 
Limiting the availability of Wi-Fi in China encourages a consumer to 
utilize the licensed mobile network.
    Further, the intellectual property of Wi-Fi is very different than 
that of mobile technology--as a result, Wi-Fi is far less expensive to 
manufacture. Wi-Fi intellectual property is largely U.S.-based and is 
made available on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms that enable 
Wi-Fi to be offered as a lower-cost networking alternative. As China 
seeks to continue to resuscitate Huawei and its other tightly 
controlled mobile network equipment vendors revenue matters, and 
Chinese vendors can make more money selling licensed mobile technology 
based on outsized licensing terms favoring the vendor.
    In addition, mobile network technology is often sold ``as a 
service'' or with corresponding service packages. This means that a 
network equipment sale to a network operator is not a one-time sale, 
but rather generates recurring revenue and opportunities to continue to 
make changes to the equipment's software. While the same can be said 
about enterprise Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi services are much less expensive as 
described above.
    For the few mobile network vendors still in business outside of 
China, lining up behind China's Huawei and ZTE in a global campaign for 
spectrum becomes a low-cost way to open potential future markets. China 
encourages European vendors in this effort because it gives its 
spectrum campaigns an ``international'' imprimatur. This is exactly 
what is happening in the global fight (still ongoing) over the upper 6 
GHz band as U.S. interests attempt to get the full 6 GHz band opened 
for Wi-Fi and China opposes.
    If China proves successful, the U.S. loses. First, at a global 
level spectrum becomes de facto labelled ``for mobile network operators 
only'' whether those economies and populations need it for mobile or 
not. As a blunt comparison, the 5G needs of China's 4+ billion 
population are very different than the 6.8 million who live in 
Paraguay. But China's goal in Paraguay is to take spectrum that could 
used for Wi-Fi today off the table permanently. By convincing foreign 
governments to block out spectrum for the future benefit of Chinese 
mobile equipment vendors, China prevents that spectrum from being used 
beneficially today. Across Africa in 2023, China convinced virtually 
all countries that the upper 6 GHz band should be set aside for ``5G'' 
even though no operator in Africa was ready to build ``5G'' in the 
upper 6 GHz band, and few were building ``5G'' in any band. The sad 
reality is that it is doubtful that this spectrum will be used for 
decades, if ever, unless China builds these countries a ``free'' 
network comprised of Chinese equipment of dubious security. Wi-Fi, 
which could have immediately been deployed on the continent to benefit 
Africa's growing fixed and satellite broadband networks, has been 
locked out of more than half the spectrum in the 6 GHz band. While the 
final chapter on 6 GHz in Africa has not been written, and countries 
could still choose unlicensed, the continent's unified call at the WRC 
for a ``mobile network only'' approach is troubling.
    For those foreign markets that decide to open the upper 6 GHz band 
to mobile network operator use, Huawei and ZTE will step forward as the 
``low-cost'' option, given the subsidies they enjoy from the Chinese 
government. And once Chinese vendors are successful in winning the 
bids, the network technology that they will use is Chinese--with the 
same capabilities that China uses to track its own population. 
Moreover, because many foreign economies are mobile-centric, China has 
unique control over foreign governments, as China can control the 
operational status of its core network. Indeed, in many economies that 
lack adequately trained personnel, it is Chinese nationals who actually 
operate mobile networks in these countries. U.S. corporate interests 
operating in these countries, as well as U.S. citizens living or 
traveling there, are at risk when roaming on Chinese-built networks.
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     Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Jerry Moran to 
                             Mary L. Brown
U.S. Technological Leadership
    China is attempting to influence spectrum allocations worldwide, 
including most recently at the World Radio Conference where they 
challenged the U.S. position on the 6GHz band, which the U.S. has 
allocated for unlicensed use.
    I understand that, on the surface, these efforts represent attempts 
to boost Huawei and ZTE internationally.

    Question . What are some specific national and economic security 
implications of China challenging U.S. wireless policies, and how can 
the U.S. combat China's behavior?
    Answer. The first and most important tenant of understanding the 
national security impact of China on global spectrum policy is that 
China acts in its own self-interest. Unlike the United States, China is 
characterized by centrally controlled broadband infrastructure and 
connectivity, limited and controlled ``competition,'' highly regulated 
content, larger population concentrated in large cities, and an 
approach to security that emphasizes governmental control, 
surveillance, and adherence to Communist Party beliefs. Once China has 
settled on an approach to a spectrum band that meets its domestic 
needs, it then turns its attention to the rest of world and attempts to 
impose its domestic vision on global economies and political structures 
in order to provide market opportunities to Chinese vendors.
    For the few mobile network vendors still in business outside of 
China, lining up behind China's Huawei and ZTE in a global campaign for 
spectrum becomes a low-cost way to open potential future markets. China 
encourages European equipment vendors in this effort because it gives 
its spectrum campaigns an ``international'' imprimatur. This kind of 
China campaign is exactly what is happening in the global fight (still 
ongoing) over upper 6 GHz as U.S. interests attempted to get the full 6 
GHz band opened for Wi-Fi.
    If China proves successful, the U.S. loses. First, at a global 
level spectrum becomes de facto labelled ``for mobile network operators 
only'' whether those economies and populations need it for mobile or 
not. As a blunt comparison, the 5G needs of China's 4+ billion 
population are very different than the 6.8 million who live in 
Paraguay. But China's goal in Paraguay is to take spectrum that could 
used for Wi-Fi today off the table permanently. By convincing foreign 
governments to block out spectrum for the future benefit of Chinese 
mobile equipment vendors, China prevents that spectrum from being used 
beneficially today. Across Africa in 2023, China convinced virtually 
all countries that the upper 6 GHz band should be set aside for ``5G'' 
even though no operator in Africa was ready to build ``5G'' in the 
upper 6 GHz band, and few were building ``5G'' in any band. The sad 
reality is that it is doubtful that this spectrum will be used for 
decades, if ever, unless China builds these countries a ``free'' 
network comprised of Chinese equipment of dubious security. Wi-Fi, 
which could have immediately been deployed on the continent to benefit 
Africa's growing fixed and satellite broadband networks, has been 
locked out of more than half the spectrum in the 6 GHz band. While the 
final chapter on 6 GHz in Africa has not been written, and countries 
could still choose unlicensed, the continent's unified call at the WRC 
for a ``mobile network only'' approach is troubling.
    For those foreign markets that decide to open the upper 6 GHz band 
to mobile network operator use, Huawei and ZTE will step forward as the 
``low-cost'' option, given the subsidies they enjoy from the Chinese 
government. And once Chinese vendors are successful in winning the 
bids, the network technology that they will use is Chinese--with the 
same capabilities that China uses to track its own population. 
Moreover, because many foreign economies are mobile-centric, China has 
unique control over foreign governments, as China can control the 
operational status of its core network. Indeed, in many economies that 
lack adequately trained personnel, it is Chinese nationals who actually 
operate mobile networks in these countries. U.S. corporate interests 
operating in these countries, as well as U.S. citizens living or 
traveling there, are at risk when roaming on Chinese-built networks.
    Finally, if within our domestic policy-making process U.S. 
policymakers simply ``follow'' China's lead on spectrum allocations in 
the name of ``harmonization,'' our country will lose. The 7 GHz band 
throws this problem into stark relief. China wants the 7 GHz band for 
mobile networks. The United States and its NATO allies use this band 
heavily for defense systems. By accepting China's will in this band, 
our country would need to disrupt our own defense systems, and likely 
disrupt the defense systems on which NATO relies. Yet the U.S. has the 
opportunity to enable further unlicensed Wi-Fi in the 7 GHz band that 
can coexist with our DoD and other agencies' incumbent uses, given Wi-
Fi's significantly lower power levels and indoor use. This would 
prevent any significant disruptions to the United States and NATO 
allies' defense systems.
    Combatting China's strategy requires U.S. leadership. The U.S. 
needs to make spectrum decisions that are in its strategic interests, 
including with one eye on our allies' interests, and champion those. 
Moreover, the U.S. vision should include spectrum sharing and 
unlicensed coexistence capabilities that have been developed in the 
United States over the past 20 years, of which Wi-Fi and CBRS are 
examples. The U.S. cannot let China set the spectrum agenda here in the 
U.S. or globally.
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  Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Marsha Blackburn to 
                             Mary L. Brown
    At the World Radiocommunications Conference last year, China and 
Huawei were almost successful in rallying other countries to identify 
the 6GHz band for licensed use. This could have stranded the billions 
of dollars invested in engineering and manufacturing 6 GHz WiFi devices 
for the global market. This also would have given Huawei a significant 
advantage in the market as they are the only company building licensed 
wireless equipment for 6 GHz. Despite our lack of preparedness, the 
U.S. delegation was able to block these attempts. However, I am 
concerned this may be the new normal in international venues.

    Question. Do you expect China to try something like this again, and 
what can the United States do to be better prepared in the future to 
pushback and deter similar China actions?
    Answer. Given our experiences at the WRC-19 and the WRC-23, it is 
clear that China's priorities for spectrum allocations support its 
commercial and foreign policy goals to the disadvantage of ours. China 
plans its work at the WRC years in advance of the conference--first 
working with individual countries, then sub-regional groups, and 
finally regional organizations, to drive its preferred approach. 
Moreover, China did not hesitate to escalate discussions to very senior 
government officials not involved in spectrum policymaking, but who 
understood Chinese investment in their national economy, in order to 
secure a favorable outcome. For example, the U.S. industry successfully 
cultivated the support of regulators in a number of African countries 
on identifying the upper 6 GHz band for unlicensed, only to see those 
same regulators silenced in subregional and regional meetings, or even 
changing their view to support licensed mobile, once China's Huawei had 
the opportunity to demand a different result from a Minister or the 
President's office.
    For the U.S. to blunt the impact of China's willingness to 
``purchase'' their way to policy wins, we need to rely on the United 
States' strongest asset: technology leadership. The U.S. opened the 6 
GHz band to Wi-Fi in 2020 and therefore had a leadership position in 
discussing this band with countries around the world. This decision 
also served to unite the U.S. delegation early in the WRC process. That 
enabled all parts of the Executive Branch, together with the FCC, to 
convey one consistent message for 6 GHz to foreign countries--keep the 
band open for unlicensed use on the ITU stage, and domestically, open 
the band to unlicensed use. The U.S. view prevailed.
    We already know China intends to pursue a similar plan to ensure 
that the 7 GHz band is made available for Huawei and ZTE. China was 
able to get the WRC to agree to evaluate the 7 GHz band for exclusive 
high powered mobile use, knowing that in the U.S. and NATO countries, 
there will need to be significant disruptions to national security 
systems if the U.S. and Europe follow China's approach. The band is 
better utilized for unlicensed in the United States, because Wi-Fi can 
coexist without disruption to defense systems. In our view, the 
question the U.S. needs to ask and answer is this: ``What is the best 
use for this spectrum in the United States?'' and not ``how do we 
follow the ambitions of China?''
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Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Shelley Moore Capito to 
                             Mary L. Brown
    Uncertainty about future spectrum access can inhibit new technology 
development and can have broad downstream impacts far beyond 
communications networks. The Biden Administration has acknowledged that 
spectrum access is essential for the next generation of aviation, 
identifying the 5030-5091 MHz band to support command non-payload 
communications (CNPC) in the National Spectrum Strategy. However, the 
Implementation Plan envisions a study of this band, which does not need 
to be reallocated, that will not be complete until 2026. Meanwhile, 
billions of dollars in new capital investment is flowing into the 
development of Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS) and Advanced Air 
Mobility (AAM), which the Administration has also identified as a 
national competitive priority.

    Question. Can you please discuss the economic and commensurate 
safety and security risks that uncertainty and unpredictability about 
access to this band creates for the development of the necessary 
technologies, networks, and services to provide CNPC to UAS and AAM 
operations?
    Answer. From the text of the NTIA Implementation Plan, it appears 
that NTIA is projecting that it will take one year from the start of 
creating a working group to the completion of its analysis for CNPC in 
the 5030-5091 MHz band. Once the NTIA-led analysis is done in 2026, the 
FCC will likely need to conduct a rulemaking to implement the 
resolution in its rules, which is likely to take additional months or 
up to a year. The FCC does appear to be advancing on its interim goal 
of allowing some sharing of the band by UAS and AAM, although the 
initial operations would appear to be less than what a more fulsome 
sharing mechanism would allow. The FCC has announced it is circulating 
a Report and Order for adoption that will address first a manual form 
of sharing, and then one that will allow temporary assignments using 
dynamic frequency management systems.
    With that as factual predicate, there are a couple of generic 
observations that can be made about this band, but that apply to all 
the specific bands of interest. First, if NTIA is to be the vehicle to 
spark Federal consensus on use of Federal spectrum, then NTIA's 
capacity to engage in negotiation and technical investigation becomes 
determinative of the timeline for decision. NTIA should be encouraged 
to leverage work that has already been completed to speed its 
consideration of bands to make them available as soon as practicable. 
For example, the EMBRSS report should be the starting point for further 
action on the lower 3 GHz band. Second, in general, Federal 
policymakers should strive to open a new band using rules that will 
remain in place as a baseline. While FCC rules for commercial equipment 
can and do evolve, the threat of significant future changes in a band's 
operational requirements tends to stifle capital investment, especially 
when a band is new. For example, today, Wi-Fi equipment is technically 
capable of operating up to 7250 MHz and is standardized to do so. 
Chipset capability exists that could permit its operation up to 7625 
MHz. But Wi-Fi developers do not know whether to invest because the 
NTIA analysis will not be completed until the end of 2026 due to the 
decision to consider the full 7125-8400 MHz band as a single issue. As 
in the case of UAS and AAM, this delay creates an opportunity cost, and 
because it is Wi-Fi, the opportunity cost directly impacts consumers. 
Finally, there is not yet clarity on what happens when the NTIA process 
runs its course, and it is time to hand off a resolution to the FCC. 
The FCC has independent requirements under its statute and the 
Administrative Procedure Act to examine issues. Policymakers should be 
looking now for ways to ensure the FCC process does not become yet 
another opportunity for parties to erect years-long obstacles to much-
needed spectrum reform.
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   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Maria Cantwell to 
                            Clete D. Johnson
Smart Spectrum Policy
    We have seen firsthand how a fractured domestic approach to 
spectrum management threatens domestic and national security. The 
former Administration's hands-off policies resulted in interagency 
disputes.
    We can avoid this by creating a unified approach to domestic 
spectrum policy, where agencies with critical missions such as the FAA 
and DoD work together with NTIA--cooperatively--on spectrum. The Biden 
Administration's framework outlined in the Presidential Memorandum on 
Modernizing United States Spectrum Policy does this.
    We are at our best when we work together. Facilitating a 
collaborative approach to domestic spectrum policy will ensure a 
unified front on the world stage. A smart approach to spectrum will 
allow the U.S. to lead on international policies and advance our 
national security interests.

    Question 1. How in your view have the interagency spectrum disputes 
of the past harmed national security, and why is it so important to 
restore order to the process?
    Answer. The United States needs coherent government processes for 
reallocation to ensure that spectrum is used to best advance U.S. 
economic and national security interests. It is important for the U.S. 
government's two spectrum regulators--the Federal Communications 
Commission (FCC) for commercial spectrum and NTIA for Federal 
spectrum--to be the ultimate decisionmakers, and NTIA should serve as 
the central agency to represent Federal government interests. When 
different government agencies are not on the same page, deployment can 
be delayed, government and private resources can be unnecessarily 
spent, and allocation decisions that impact U.S. economic and national 
security can be hindered.
    As the Federal government's halting process in C-band showed, a 
fragmented process can cause confusion and delay the deployment of 5G 
services. The C-band auction raised record numbers, with wireless 
providers collectively paying over $80 billion for licenses. However, 
divides within the Federal government--including approval from the FCC 
and NTIA but questions about safety issues from the Federal Aviation 
Administration--delayed the launch of 5G. The Interdepartment Radio 
Advisory Committee (IRAC), composed of representatives from Federal 
agencies with spectrum interests that help NTIA manage Federal use of 
spectrum, is an essential tool to develop a coherent and unified 
government spectrum policy. The IRAC plays an important role in 
advising NTIA of government interests and distributing information 
across affected agencies in the context of FCC proceedings on 
commercial use of spectrum. These interagency processes are critical to 
U.S. leadership in 5G. After years of engagement across the agencies 
and their regulated industries, wireless companies are now expected to 
operate with temporary and minimal restrictions while the aviation 
industry addresses its concerns regarding older aircraft equipment. 
Still, these delays reinforce the importance of NTIA serving as the 
voice of the Executive Branch in its recommendations to the FCC on 
commercial spectrum. The Presidential Memorandum on Modernizing United 
States Spectrum Policy provides a solid framework to make this happen.
    More generally, stakeholders should work together collaboratively 
to make spectrum reallocation work. In a wireless world, spectrum 
allocations need to have room to take advantage of technological 
innovations. Reallocation can be a win-win when incumbent users are 
provided the resources to succeed, and new users are provided the 
certainty and spectrum necessary for technological innovation and to 
implement new uses. The process should not be rigid, as every 
reallocation, band, and system is different. Reallocation can be guided 
and organized to benefit all parties, so long as all parties come to 
the table transparently and with an eye to mutual benefit and advancing 
the interests of the United States, rather than a zero-sum game with 
distinct losers and winners.
                                 ______
                                 
   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Kyrsten Sinema to 
                            Clete D. Johnson
    Question 1. What have been the key shortcomings of previous 
spectrum policy determinations, and how have commercial entities both 
failed and succeeded in the past to effectively take into account the 
need for national security access and use of the spectrum?
    Answer. As the Federal government's halting process in C-band 
showed, a fragmented process can cause confusion and delay the 
deployment of 5G services. The C-band auction raised record numbers, 
with wireless providers collectively paying over $80 billion for 
licenses. However, divides within the Federal government--including 
approval from the FCC and NTIA but questions about safety issues from 
the Federal Aviation Administration--delayed the launch of 5G. The 
Interdepartment Radio Advisory Committee (IRAC), composed of 
representatives from Federal agencies with spectrum interests that help 
NTIA manage Federal use of spectrum, is an essential tool to develop a 
coherent and unified government spectrum policy. The IRAC plays an 
important role in advising NTIA of government interests and 
distributing information across affected agencies in the context of FCC 
proceedings on commercial use of spectrum. These interagency processes 
are critical to U.S. leadership in 5G. After years of engagement across 
the agencies and their regulated industries, wireless companies are now 
expected to operate with temporary and minimal restrictions while the 
aviation industry addresses its concerns regarding older aircraft 
equipment. Still, these delays reinforce the importance of NTIA serving 
as the voice of the Executive Branch in its recommendations to the FCC 
on commercial spectrum. The Presidential Memorandum on Modernizing 
United States Spectrum Policy provides a solid framework to make this 
happen.
    More generally, stakeholders should work together collaboratively 
to make spectrum reallocation work. In a wireless world, spectrum 
allocations need to have room to take advantage of technological 
innovations. Reallocation can be a win-win when incumbent users are 
provided the resources to succeed, and new users are provided the 
certainty and spectrum necessary for technological innovation and to 
implement new uses. The process should not be rigid, as every 
reallocation, band, and system is different. Reallocation can be guided 
and organized to benefit all parties, so long as all parties come to 
the table transparently and with an eye to mutual benefit and advancing 
the interests of the United States, rather than a zero-sum game with 
distinct losers and winners.

    Question 2. Are there adequate policies and procedures in place as 
we modernize and optimize our spectrum use and infrastructure to 
balance future national defense needs of and access to spectrum with 
the commercial and scientific stakeholders?

    a. If not, what needs to be added?

    b. Recognizing that future technological development may be 
difficult to anticipate, do those policies and procedures account for 
access and use of the spectrum by the Department of Defense (DoD) in 
the future as they respond to developments of spectrum use by our 
adversaries, which may be within spectrum bands the DoD no longer has 
access to?

    c. What do we need to consider in spectrum optimization to account 
for the agility certain adversaries have in spectrum allocation and 
their ability to prioritize their own security considerations over 
commercial interests?

    d. What is the feedback you have received from the DoD and other 
national security stakeholders on the Dynamic Spectrum Sharing concept 
referenced in testimony to optimize spectrum use?
    Answer. As I said in my testimony, I believe government and 
industry should collaborate on initiatives to maximize spectrum use in 
any given band. Most immediately, we must advance presently viable 
spectrum sharing regimes; when fully clearing a spectrum band for new 
uses is not practical, coordinated sharing through proven methods can 
be a solution. Government and industry should collaborate to advance 
``static'' sharing, in which parties benefit from predictable spectrum 
access by coordinating their use over geography, time, or frequency. 
These sharing methods provide coordinated access and certainty, and 
technological developments are increasing the precision of these 
sharing methods. We should focus immediately on these proven models of 
sharing to advance our national interest in maintaining 5G leadership 
globally.
    In parallel over the long term, we should also seek breakthroughs 
in ``dynamic'' spectrum sharing--in which each party's use of 
frequencies changes dynamically according to real-time needs--to 
overcome existing practical impediments to real-world implementation. 
Such breakthroughs will likely take years to become practically and 
economically viable at scale, and U.S. global leadership and 
collaboration with allies will be required to address the need for 
global harmonization and scale sufficient to support diverse and 
competitive trusted suppliers in such a sharing environment. Absent 
strategic leadership, bespoke U.S.-only sharing frameworks could mean 
we deploy more slowly than other countries that simply implement 
globally harmonized, standardized frameworks, and the custom sharing 
solutions would be so circumstance-specific that they would have no 
global market.

    Question 3. Again, recognizing that we can never fully anticipate 
what areas of the spectrum our adversaries may be utilizing or 
researching for their own weapons systems development, is it possible 
to identify certain geographic areas within the Nation to exclude from 
the sale of exclusive access of the spectrum in order to preserve DoD 
access and flexibility in testing and training within such limited 
geographic area(s)?

    a. Would such an area for test and evaluation be of value to the 
commercial and scientific stakeholders as well? If so, how?

    b. Would there be any anticipated concerns from commercial or 
scientific stakeholders that you are aware of?
    Answer. As noted above, geographic spectrum sharing is one of the 
presently viable spectrum sharing regimes that we should seek to 
advance. When fully clearing a spectrum band for new uses is not 
practical, coordinated sharing through proven methods can be a 
solution. Government and industry should collaborate to advance 
``static'' sharing, in which parties benefit from predictable spectrum 
access by coordinating their use over geography, time, or frequency. 
These sharing methods provide coordinated access and certainty, and 
technological developments are increasing the precision of these 
sharing methods. We should focus immediately on these proven models of 
sharing to advance our national interest in maintaining 5G leadership 
globally.

    Question 4. The U.S. Army's Buffalo Soldier Electronic Testing and 
Training Range at Fort Huachuca, Arizona currently serves as a 
technical demonstration platform that is critical to the DoD by 
enabling research and development, driving technological advancement, 
bolstering national security, informing effective policies, and 
advancing scientific discovery.

    a. As part of the National Spectrum Strategy and the need to 
develop a national testbed for dynamic spectrum sharing (DSS), is it 
possible to co-locate the DSS testbed with the Buffalo Soldier 
Electronic Testing and Training Range at Fort Huachuca and the Western 
Regional Range Complex concept in general to enable DoD, Federal 
agencies, and national policymakers to work cooperatively with 
industry, researchers, and academia to objectively identify 
optimization opportunities and examine new technologies?

    b. Would co-locating these activities reduce or eliminate 
duplication of other efforts and synchronize other relevant research 
and engineering activities already under way across the government with 
respect to AI/ML, zero-trust networks, data-source management, autonomy 
and autonomous systems, and advanced radar technologies?
    Answer. As a former Army officer, I am familiar with the excellent 
capabilities at Fort Huachuca and am eager to learn more about the 
Buffalo Solder Electronic Testing and Training Range.
    As discussed above, I believe government and industry should 
collaborate on initiatives to maximize spectrum use in any given band. 
Most immediately, we must advance presently viable spectrum sharing 
regimes; when fully clearing a spectrum band for new uses is not 
practical, coordinated sharing through proven methods can be a 
solution. Government and industry should collaborate to advance 
``static'' sharing, in which parties benefit from predictable spectrum 
access by coordinating their use over geography, time, or frequency. 
These sharing methods provide coordinated access and certainty, and 
technological developments are increasing the precision of these 
sharing methods. We should focus immediately on these proven models of 
sharing to advance our national interest in maintaining 5G leadership 
globally.
    In parallel over the long term, we should also seek breakthroughs 
in ``dynamic'' spectrum sharing--in which each party's use of 
frequencies changes dynamically according to real-time needs--to 
overcome existing practical impediments to real-world implementation. 
Such breakthroughs will likely take years to become practically and 
economically viable at scale, and U.S. global leadership and 
collaboration with allies will be required to address the need for 
global harmonization and scale sufficient to support diverse and 
competitive trusted suppliers in such a sharing environment. Absent 
strategic leadership, bespoke U.S.-only sharing frameworks could mean 
we deploy more slowly than other countries that simply implement 
globally harmonized, standardized frameworks, and the custom sharing 
solutions would be so circumstance-specific that they would have no 
global market.
    The Department of Defense--including the activities at Fort 
Huachuca--can and should play an important role in these initiatives.
                                 ______
                                 
   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ben Ray Lujan to 
                            Clete D. Johnson
Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing (EMBRSS) Feasibility 
        Assessment Report
    As I said in-person in the hearing, the United States can retake 
our leadership position on spectrum. To do so, we must lead the world 
in developing the next generation of not only spectrum technology, but 
spectrum policy. The U.S. Depart of Defense recently released an 
unclassified version of the Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing 
(EMBRSS) Feasibility Assessment Report as required by the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA). The assessment found ``a 
[Dynamic Spectrum Management System] DSMS, that evolves the CBRS 
framework in the 3550-3700 MHz band, with advanced interference 
mitigation features which can address the needs of all systems, 
including the unique needs of airborne systems, provides a feasible 
path forward for spectrum sharing between the Federal and commercial 
systems in the 3100-3450 MHz band [emphasis added]'' (Page 220; U.S. 
Department of Defense, EMBRSS Feasibility Assessment Report; released 
September 2023, unclassified report released April 3, 2024).

    Question 1. Now that the EMBRSS Report is public, does it provide a 
roadmap for future public and private investment into the regulations 
and technology necessary to open up spectrum availability through 
dynamic spectrum sharing? If it does not provide a roadmap, what other 
steps are necessary?
    Answer. The EMBRSS report was an important first step in exploring 
new commercial uses of mid-band spectrum, as it identified many of the 
present challenges in doing so. I expect that the further study of 
these bands will provide additional insights into possibilities in the 
future. As I said in my testimony, I believe that government and 
industry should collaborate on initiatives to maximize spectrum use in 
any given band. Most immediately, we must advance presently viable 
spectrum sharing regimes; when fully clearing a spectrum band for new 
uses is not practical, coordinated sharing through proven methods can 
be a solution. Government and industry should collaborate to advance 
``static'' sharing, in which parties benefit from predictable spectrum 
access by coordinating their use over geography, time, or frequency. 
These sharing methods provide coordinated access and certainty, and 
technological developments are increasing the precision of these 
sharing methods. We should focus immediately on these proven models of 
sharing to advance our national interest in maintaining 5G leadership 
globally.
    In parallel over the long term, we should also seek breakthroughs 
in ``dynamic'' spectrum sharing--in which each party's use of 
frequencies changes dynamically according to real-time needs--to 
overcome existing practical impediments to real-world implementation. 
Such breakthroughs will likely take years to become practically and 
economically viable at scale, and U.S. global leadership and 
collaboration with allies will be required to address the need for 
global harmonization and scale sufficient to support diverse and 
competitive trusted suppliers in such a sharing environment. Absent 
strategic leadership, bespoke U.S.-only sharing frameworks could mean 
we deploy more slowly than other countries that simply implement 
globally harmonized, standardized frameworks, and the custom sharing 
solutions would be so circumstance-specific that they would have no 
global market.
                                 ______
                                 
 Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. John Hickenlooper to 
                            Clete D. Johnson
Spectrum Relocation Fund
    The Spectrum Relocation Fund (SRF) has been effective in providing 
compensation for Federal agencies who are willing to share or 
reallocate their spectrum for non-federal purposes. However, the 
current statute limits reimbursements for agencies to modify their 
systems to adapt to a sharing or reallocation arrangement only up to a 
``comparable capability''.

    Question 1. Do you agree the ``comparable capability'' threshold 
under the current Spectrum Relocation Fund statute is limiting? What 
effect do you believe proposals would have by amending this threshold 
to allow for reimbursements, subject to review by the Technical Panel 
(including the Office of Management and Budget) to support ``enhanced 
capability'' or achieve a ``state of the art''?
    Answer. Congress should increase incentives for reallocating 
spectrum. Congress should build upon the precedent of the CSEA of 2003 
that created the SRF and grant new authorities for the Federal 
government to compensate users for modernization and reallocation. New 
legislation can improve the SRF process. The SRF was intended to 
reimburse Federal agencies' expenses--including those for R&D, 
engineering studies, and economic analyses--for relocating from or 
sharing certain bands. Creating new incentives that could allow 
agencies to be appropriately reimbursed at higher rates would provide 
stronger incentives for government users currently located in valuable 
bands for 5G to update their equipment and move to other appropriate 
frequencies. Likewise, the SRF should not be restricted to provide for 
comparable systems. Instead, agencies should have clear incentives to 
use SRF funds to improve capabilities by upgrading equipment rather 
than simply replacing existing equipment with comparable capabilities.
    Under 47 U.S.C. 923(j), the Spectrum Relocation Fund establishes a 
preference that ``NTIA shall give priority to options involving 
reallocation of the band for exclusive non-federal use.'' Spectrum 
bands that are not occupied by a Federal agency are becoming 
increasingly scarce, which increases the necessity to finding 
coexistence regimes that protect Federal missions and also foster 
innovation in non-federal, commercial applications.

    Question 2. Do you believe these provisions establishing an SRF 
preference for exclusive non-federal users should be modernized to 
better reflect the current spectrum environment? Why or why not?
    Answer. I believe the preference for exclusive non-federal use is 
appropriate and even necessary, particularly for mid-band spectrum that 
is ideal for 5G services, because commercial mid-band is the area in 
which we are in grave danger of falling behind China. I believe that 
closing this commercial mid-band spectrum gap is absolutely crucial to 
the security of the United States and our allies, because spectrum 
policy is key to the future of the networks and applications on which 
our societies operate. Those networks and applications will be 
developed either by us, with the free market principles this Committee 
has long espoused, or by the deepening autocratic alliance of China, 
Russia, Iran, and North Korea.
    The security of the United States as a free market democracy hangs 
in the balance. Fortunately, successive Administrations and Congresses 
have taken meaningful actions to address this threat, and now we have 
the opportunity to leverage spectrum policy in favor of our 
principles--dynamism, innovation, and freedom rather than surveillance, 
control, and oppression.
    This will require maximizing all critical uses of spectrum, from 
weapons and defense systems to commercial 5G and next generation 
wireless networks, including both local wireless connectivity and wide 
area coverage. To secure our core national interests, we have to lead 
the world in all of these areas, and we can. However, right now we are 
in danger of falling far behind China in mid-band licensed spectrum 
that can support wide area coverage, which is critical to bringing 
mobile services and technologies to every part of the country. This is 
a grave threat to the security of our network infrastructure.
    Addressing this severe licensed spectrum shortage while also 
maintaining our present world-leading position in defense systems and 
local wireless connectivity will be difficult. But as this Committee 
well knows, the United States is quite capable of accomplishing 
difficult technical achievements, particularly at the intersection of 
military capabilities and commercial strength.
                                 ______
                                 
  Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Raphael Warnock to 
                            Clete D. Johnson
Rip and Replace
    The Rip and Replace Program is a critical national security program 
that reimburses smaller communications services providers for replacing 
equipment purchased from Chinese telecommunications companies.\1\ 
However, insufficient program funding and logistical difficulties 
replacing equipment force many rural providers to choose between using 
unsafe technology and maintaining service.\2\ Without adequate Rip and 
Replace funding, efforts to increase broadband availability in 
underserved areas will be negatively impacted as rural carriers 
struggle to provide safe service.\3\
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    \1\ Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Reimbursement 
Program, Federal Communications Commission (Feb. 27, 2024), https://
www.fcc.gov/supplychain/reimbursement.
    \2\ See Cecilia Kang, `Rip and Replace': The Tech Cold War Is 
Upending Wireless Carriers, New York Times (May 9, 2023), https://
www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/technology/cellular-china-us-zte-
huawei.html.
    \3\ Quinn Nghiem, Lack of Lip and Replace Funding Could Spell 
Trouble for BEAD Progress, Event Hears, Broadband Breakfast (Aug. 2, 
2023), https://broadbandbreakfast.com/lack-of-rip-and-replace-funding-
could-spell-trouble-for-bead-progress-event-hears.

    Question 1. How does the Rip and Replace Program promote American 
national security interests?
    Answer. Replacing Covered List equipment with trusted supplier 
equipment is a basic step that we need to complete for network security 
in the United States. Given China's intelligence capabilities, Covered 
List equipment and services from suppliers like Huawei and ZTE are 
inherently not secure, and their security risks are difficult or even 
impossible to mitigate. It is imperative that we complete the task of 
replacing this equipment with trusted supplier equipment.

    Question 2. How would more Federal funding for the Rip and Replace 
Program promote connectivity in rural and underserved areas?
    Answer. Simply put, the connectivity that rural and underserved 
communities deserve is secure, reliable connectivity. Reimbursed 
replacement of Covered List equipment for the network operators that 
serve these communities will provide this necessary secure, reliable 
connectivity.
                                 ______
                                 
    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Jerry Moran to 
                            Clete D. Johnson
Spectrum Research
    The University of Kansas, along with partners including Wichita 
State University, is conducting research into improving data security 
over 5G hardware that is potentially compromised.

    Question 1. As our Nation addresses increased vulnerabilities that 
come from the proliferation of advanced wireless technology in major 
segments of our economy--including transportation, manufacturing and 
critical infrastructure--what are your opinions on the importance of 
funding research directed at maintaining national security?
    Answer. I commend the University of Kansas and Wichita State for 
their partnership in this important area of research and development. 
Basic academic research is indispensable to finding security solutions 
for future networks.

    Question 2. Particularly related to national security and defense, 
what do you see are top areas of spectrum-related research that we are 
pursuing or should be prioritized?
    Answer. Sharing of spectrum may be increasingly necessary as the 
next generation of telecommunications emerges, 6G, which will require 
even more spectrum resources and is already in development, including 
in China. The government and industry should collaborate on two 
initiatives to maximize spectrum use in any given band. The first 
should examine how to advance spectrum sharing regimes; when clearing a 
spectrum band for commercial use is not practical, coordinated sharing 
through proven methods can be a solution. Government and industry 
should collaborate to advance ``static'' sharing, in which each party 
is restricted to using the shared spectrum in specific geographic 
locations. These sharing methods provide coordinated access and 
certainty, and technological developments are increasing the precision 
of this geographic spectrum sharing. Such sharing of spectrum may be 
increasingly necessary as the next generation of telecommunications, 
6G, emerges, which will require even more spectrum resources and is 
already in development, including in China.
    Over the long term, testing and experimentation on ``dynamic'' 
spectrum sharing--in which each party's use of frequencies changes 
dynamically according to real-time needs--may eventually overcome 
existing practical impediments to real-world implementation (e.g., 
complexity, uncertainty, and coverage limits) that prevent deployment 
of promising 5G use cases like autonomous transportation and telehealth 
applications. The ongoing CBRS experiment has shown the difficulties 
with dynamic sharing arrangements. For now, sharing initiatives to 
promote 5G should focus on further advances of static geographic 
sharing mechanisms that provide proven benefits.
    The second collaborative initiative should support R&D efforts to 
advance spectral efficiency for the benefit of both commercial and 
government networks. Improving spectral efficiency involves finding 
technical solutions to increase the amount of data that can be 
transmitted reliably over given spectrum. As FCC Chairwoman Rosenworcel 
has said, improving the efficiency of receivers is one possibility to 
maximize spectrum use. As demonstrated through the delays in C-band due 
to Federal Aviation Administration concerns about outdated altimeters 
in aircraft, this evaluation of receiver performance should be done 
well ahead of a reallocation transition. This should involve not only 
finding technological improvements for spectral efficiency, but also 
establishing mechanisms for implementation in existing networks to take 
advantage of newfound efficiencies.
    Finally, policymakers should create a formal mechanism to take 
advantage of advances in spectral efficiency and sharing into Federal 
procurement processes. Demand for spectrum will increase significantly 
in the next decade and creating a formal method for incorporating 
modern technology to improve spectral efficiency and spectrum sharing 
would help maximize the capacity of spectrum employed by all users, 
both Federal and commercial.
Unmanned Aerial Systems
    Uncertainty about future spectrum access can inhibit new technology 
development and can have broad downstream impacts far beyond 
communications networks. The Administration has acknowledged that 
spectrum access is essential for the next generation of aviation, 
identifying the 5030-5091 MHz band to support command non-payload 
communications (CNPC) in the National Spectrum Strategy (NSS). CNPC is 
fundamental to the safe operation of remotely operated aircraft, 
including Uncrewed Aircraft Systems (UAS) and Advanced Air Mobility 
(AAM). The NSS Implementation Plan envisions a study of this band--
which is already allocated for non-federal aviation services--that will 
not be complete until 2026.

    Question. Can you please discuss the economic and commensurate 
safety and security risks that uncertainty regarding access to this 
band creates for the development of the necessary technologies, 
networks, and services to provide CNPC to future UAS and AAM 
operations?
    Answer. In all areas of spectrum policy and planning, certainty is 
indispensable necessary for coherent technology processes, from 
research and development to testing to deployment. This is especially 
true in emerging technology deployments that have a public safety 
considerations, such as UAS and AAM. The expedited study of this band 
is crucial.
NTIA Appropriations/Spectrum Policy Leadership
    As the ranking member on the CJS Appropriations Subcommittee, which 
has jurisdiction over NTIA, I've watched these recent debates around 
spectrum with great interest. As we know, the NTIA Administrator, by 
law, is the President's principal advisor on all telecommunications 
issues. NTIA also houses the Institute for Telecommunication Sciences 
(ITS), a world-leading lab that can run robust tests and make unbiased 
findings.
    But over the last few years, other agencies have taken a larger 
role in spectrum policy.

    Question. How can Congress ensure our national security while 
maintaining NTIA's role as the Federal government's spectrum policy 
lead?
    Answer. The United States needs coherent government processes for 
reallocation to ensure that spectrum is used to best advance U.S. 
economic and national security interests. It is important for the U.S. 
government's two spectrum regulators--the Federal Communications 
Commission (FCC) for commercial spectrum and NTIA for Federal 
spectrum--to be the ultimate decisionmakers, and NTIA should serve as 
the central agency to represent Federal government interests. When 
different government agencies are not on the same page, deployment can 
be delayed, government and private resources can be unnecessarily 
spent, and allocation decisions that impact U.S. economic and national 
security can be hindered.
    As the Federal government's halting process in C-band showed, a 
fragmented process can cause confusion and delay the deployment of 5G 
services. The C-band auction raised record numbers, with wireless 
providers collectively paying over $80 billion for licenses. However, 
divides within the Federal government--including approval from the FCC 
and NTIA but questions about safety issues from the Federal Aviation 
Administration--delayed the launch of 5G. The Interdepartment Radio 
Advisory Committee (IRAC), composed of representatives from Federal 
agencies with spectrum interests that help NTIA manage Federal use of 
spectrum, is an essential tool to develop a coherent and unified 
government spectrum policy. The IRAC plays an important role in 
advising NTIA of government interests and distributing information 
across affected agencies in the context of FCC proceedings on 
commercial use of spectrum. These interagency processes are critical to 
U.S. leadership in 5G. After years of engagement across the agencies 
and their regulated industries, wireless companies are now expected to 
operate with temporary and minimal restrictions while the aviation 
industry addresses its concerns regarding older aircraft equipment. 
Still, these delays reinforce the importance of NTIA serving as the 
voice of the Executive Branch in its recommendations to the FCC on 
commercial spectrum. The Presidential Memorandum on Modernizing United 
States Spectrum Policy provides a solid framework to make this happen.
    More generally, stakeholders should work together collaboratively 
to make spectrum reallocation work. In a wireless world, spectrum 
allocations need to have room to take advantage of technological 
innovations. Reallocation can be a win-win when incumbent users are 
provided the resources to succeed, and new users are provided the 
certainty and spectrum necessary for technological innovation and to 
implement new uses. The process should not be rigid, as every 
reallocation, band, and system is different. Reallocation can be guided 
and organized to benefit all parties, so long as all parties come to 
the table transparently and with an eye to mutual benefit and advancing 
the interests of the United States, rather than a zero-sum game with 
distinct losers and winners.
                                 ______
                                 
  Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Marsha Blackburn to 
                            Clete D. Johnson
    At the World Radiocommunications Conference last year, China and 
Huawei were almost successful in rallying other countries to identify 
the 6GHz band for licensed use. This could have stranded the billions 
of dollars invested in engineering and manufacturing 6 GHz WiFi devices 
for the global market. This also would have given Huawei a significant 
advantage in the market as they are the only company building licensed 
wireless equipment for 6 GHz. Despite our lack of preparedness, the 
U.S. delegation was able to block these attempts. However, I am 
concerned this may be the new normal in international venues.

    Question. Do you expect China to try something like this again, and 
what can the United States do to be better prepared in the future to 
pushback and deter similar China actions?
    Answer. Yes, I fully expect China to continue to seek to press its 
advantage in every spectrum policy arena, particularly for mid-band 
spectrum that is ideal for 5G services. China has a strategy to 
dominate the future of technology, and its spectrum strategy derives 
from that.
    Commercial mid-band is the area in which we are in grave danger of 
falling behind China. I believe that closing this commercial mid-band 
spectrum gap is absolutely crucial to the security of the United States 
and our allies, because spectrum policy is key to the future of the 
networks and applications on which our societies operate. Those 
networks and applications will be developed either by us, with the free 
market principles this Committee has long espoused, or by the deepening 
autocratic alliance of China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.
    The security of the United States as a free market democracy hangs 
in the balance. Fortunately, successive Administrations and Congresses 
have taken meaningful actions to address this threat, and now we have 
the opportunity to leverage spectrum policy in favor of our 
principles--dynamism, innovation, and freedom rather than surveillance, 
control, and oppression.
    This will require maximizing all critical uses of spectrum, from 
weapons and defense systems to commercial 5G and next generation 
wireless networks, including both local wireless connectivity and wide 
area coverage. To secure our core national interests, we have to lead 
the world in all of these areas, and we can. However, right now we are 
in danger of falling far behind China in mid-band licensed spectrum 
that can support wide area coverage, which is critical to bringing 
mobile services and technologies to every part of the country. This is 
a grave threat to the security of our network infrastructure.
    Addressing this severe licensed spectrum shortage while also 
maintaining our present world-leading position in defense systems and 
local wireless connectivity will be difficult. But as this Committee 
well knows, the United States is quite capable of accomplishing 
difficult technical achievements, particularly at the intersection of 
military capabilities and commercial strength.
                                 ______
                                 
Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Shelley Moore Capito to 
                            Clete D. Johnson
    Question. What actions should the FCC take to ensure spectrum is 
available to help expand new technologies that can assist in 
emergencies, like small drone delivery of medical supplies and 
groceries?
    Answer. This is a compelling example of the valuable technological 
breakthroughs that can happen with additional spectrum available for 
commercial uses, and another reason that it is a national security 
imperative to free up more spectrum for commercial uses--particularly 
for mid-band spectrum that is ideal for 5G services, because commercial 
mid-band is the area in which we are in grave danger of falling behind 
China. I believe that closing this commercial mid-band spectrum gap is 
absolutely crucial to the security of the United States and our allies, 
because spectrum policy is key to the future of the networks and 
applications on which our societies operate. Those networks and 
applications--including the emergency services referenced in the 
question--will be developed either by us, with the free market 
principles this Committee has long espoused, or by the deepening 
autocratic alliance of China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.
    The security of the United States as a free market democracy hangs 
in the balance. Fortunately, successive Administrations and Congresses 
have taken meaningful actions to address this threat, and now we have 
the opportunity to leverage spectrum policy in favor of our 
principles--dynamism, innovation, and freedom rather than surveillance, 
control, and oppression.
    This will require maximizing all critical uses of spectrum, from 
weapons and defense systems to commercial 5G and next generation 
wireless networks, including both local wireless connectivity and wide 
area coverage. To secure our core national interests, we have to lead 
the world in all of these areas, and we can. However, right now we are 
in danger of falling far behind China in mid-band licensed spectrum 
that can support wide area coverage, which is critical to bringing 
mobile services and technologies to every part of the country. This is 
a grave threat to the security of our network infrastructure.
    Addressing this severe licensed spectrum shortage while also 
maintaining our present world-leading position in defense systems and 
local wireless connectivity will be difficult. But as this Committee 
well knows, the United States is quite capable of accomplishing 
difficult technical achievements, particularly at the intersection of 
military capabilities and commercial strength.
                                 ______
                                 
   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Maria Cantwell to 
                             Diane Rinaldo
Smart Spectrum Policy
    We have seen firsthand how a fractured domestic approach to 
spectrum management threatens domestic and national security. The 
former Administration's hands-off policies resulted in interagency 
disputes.
    We can avoid this by creating a unified approach to domestic 
spectrum policy, where agencies with critical missions such as the FAA 
and DoD work together with NTIA--cooperatively--on spectrum. The Biden 
Administration's framework outlined in the Presidential Memorandum on 
Modernizing United States Spectrum Policy does this.
    We are at our best when we work together. Facilitating a 
collaborative approach to domestic spectrum policy will ensure a 
unified front on the world stage. A smart approach to spectrum will 
allow the U.S. to lead on international policies and advance our 
national security interests.

    Question 1. Ms. Rinaldo, how in your view have the interagency 
spectrum disputes of the past harmed national security, and why is it 
so important to restore order to the process?
    Answer. Continued turf disputes have created havoc in the IRAC 
process, resulting in some agencies working outside it. Updating the 
Spectrum Relocation Fund allows for more dynamic uses and potential 
upgrades of capabilities, thereby encouraging agencies to find common 
ground.
Spectrum Auction Authority and National Security
    Back when the wireless industry had access to new commercial 
spectrum, wireless providers would need to upgrade their networks with 
technology compatible with that new spectrum. Sometimes, that meant 
making small changes to existing network equipment; other times, it 
even meant transitioning to new equipment entirely.
    The network upgrades that followed new spectrum allocations 
presented an opportunity for new companies to enter the market.
    But new entrants no longer have this opportunity, as the FCC's 
spectrum auction authority expired over a year ago. There's no new 
spectrum to access.
    And that's too bad, because new entrants like those using Open RAN 
are a secure alternative to Huawei and ZTE that are important to 
national security.

    Question 1. Ms. Rinaldo, why is having FCC auction authority 
restored as soon as possible so important to the development and 
adoption of Open RAN-based network elements?
    Answer. Providing more spectrum gives Open RAN greater 
opportunities to be deployed here in the United States. The deployment 
of Open RAN will lead to scale, thereby helping bring down costs and 
encourage developing nations to move away from untrusted vendors.

    Question 2. How does the development and adoption of Open RAN-based 
network elements support national security and serve to counter the 
threats of Huawei and ZTE?
    Answer. Open RAN gives countries and mobile operators something to 
run to. 127 vendors are currently participating in the Open RAN 
ecosystem, leading to advancements in innovation, a decrease in costs, 
and more opportunities for homegrown companies to take form.
                                 ______
                                 
   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ben Ray Lujan to 
                             Diane Rinaldo
Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing (EMBRSS) Feasibility 
        Assessment Report
    As I said in-person in the hearing, the United States can retake 
our leadership position on spectrum. To do so, we must lead the world 
in developing the next generation of not only spectrum technology, but 
spectrum policy. The U.S. Depart of Defense recently released an 
unclassified version of the Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing 
(EMBRSS) Feasibility Assessment Report as required by the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA). The assessment found ``a 
[Dynamic Spectrum Management System] DSMS, that evolves the CBRS 
framework in the 3550-3700 MHz band, with advanced interference 
mitigation features which can address the needs of all systems, 
including the unique needs of airborne systems, provides a feasible 
path forward for spectrum sharing between the Federal and commercial 
systems in the 3100-3450 MHz band [emphasis added]'' (Page 220; U.S. 
Department of Defense, EMBRSS Feasibility Assessment Report; released 
September 2023, unclassified report released April 3, 2024).

    Question 1. Now that the EMBRSS Report is public, does it provide a 
roadmap for future public and private investment into the regulations 
and technology necessary to open up spectrum availability through 
dynamic spectrum sharing? If it does not provide a roadmap, what other 
steps are necessary?
    Answer. Earlier this month, DoD announced they would be 
participating alongside NTIA and industry to study dynamic spectrum 
sharing and fund prototypes to bring it to life. I was pleased to 
participate at the event and the Open RAN Policy Coalition members are 
eager to work alongside DoD, NTIA and other agencies to achieve these 
goals.
                                 ______
                                 
 Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. John Hickenlooper to 
                             Diane Rinaldo
Spectrum Relocation Fund
    The Spectrum Relocation Fund (SRF) has been effective in providing 
compensation for Federal agencies who are willing to share or 
reallocate their spectrum for non-federal purposes. However, the 
current statute limits reimbursements for agencies to modify their 
systems to adapt to a sharing or reallocation arrangement only up to a 
``comparable capability''.

    Question 1. Do you agree the ``comparable capability'' threshold 
under the current Spectrum Relocation Fund statute is limiting? What 
effect do you believe proposals would have by amending this threshold 
to allow for reimbursements, subject to review by the Technical Panel 
(including the Office of Management and Budget) to support ``enhanced 
capability'' or achieve a ``state of the art''?
    Answer. The SRF should be updated to accommodate Federal users and 
better serve their mission. By allowing agencies to increase 
capabilities, you are creating a positive incentive for relocation.
    Under 47 U.S.C. 923(j), the Spectrum Relocation Fund establishes a 
preference that ``NTIA shall give priority to options involving 
reallocation of the band for exclusive non-federal use.'' Spectrum 
bands that are not occupied by a Federal agency are becoming 
increasingly scarce, which increases the necessity to finding 
coexistence regimes that protect Federal missions and also foster 
innovation in non-federal, commercial applications.

    Question 2. Do you believe these provisions establishing an SRF 
preference for exclusive non-federal users should be modernized to 
better reflect the current spectrum environment? Why or why not?
    Answer. Decisions should be data-driven based on capacity 
constraints and needs.
                                 ______
                                 
  Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Raphael Warnock to 
                             Diane Rinaldo
Rip and Replace
    The Rip and Replace Program is a critical national security program 
that reimburses smaller communications services providers for replacing 
equipment purchased from Chinese telecommunications companies.\1\ 
However, insufficient program funding and logistical difficulties 
replacing equipment force many rural providers to choose between using 
unsafe technology and maintaining service.\2\ Without adequate Rip and 
Replace funding, efforts to increase broadband availability in 
underserved areas will be negatively impacted as rural carriers 
struggle to provide safe service.\3\
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    \1\ Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Reimbursement 
Program, Federal Communications Commission (Feb. 27, 2024), https://
www.fcc.gov/supplychain/reimbursement.
    \2\ See Cecilia Kang, `Rip and Replace': The Tech Cold War Is 
Upending Wireless Carriers, New York Times (May 9, 2023), https://
www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/technology/cellular-china-us-zte-
huawei.html.
    \3\ Quinn Nghiem, Lack of Lip and Replace Funding Could Spell 
Trouble for BEAD Progress, Event Hears, Broadband Breakfast (Aug. 2, 
2023), https://broadbandbreakfast.com/lack-of-rip-and-replace-funding-
could-spell-trouble-for-bead-progress-event-hears.

    Question 1. How does the Rip and Replace Program promote American 
national security interests?
    Answer. The United States has long known that it would be unwise to 
have a foreign adversary in our telecommunication networks. By ripping 
out Huawei and ZTE and replacing them with trusted networking, we are 
sending signals to our global partners of the severity of the situation 
and the need to extricate the threat.

    Question 2. How would more Federal funding for the Rip and Replace 
Program promote connectivity in rural and underserved areas?
    Answer. Rip and replace is an opportunity to eliminate a national 
security threat and help improve connectivity in rural and remote 
areas. Operators should be allowed to use the funding to update their 
network to 5G; it is the best use of taxpayer dollars and improves 
connectivity for rural citizens.
                                 ______
                                 
     Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Jerry Moran to 
                             Diane Rinaldo
NTIA Appropriations/Spectrum Policy Leadership
    As the ranking member on the CJS Appropriations Subcommittee, which 
has jurisdiction over NTIA, I've watched these recent debates around 
spectrum with great interest. As we know, the NTIA Administrator, by 
law, is the President's principal advisor on all telecommunications 
issues. NTIA also houses the Institute for Telecommunication Sciences 
(ITS), a world-leading lab that can run robust tests and make unbiased 
findings.
    But over the last few years, other agencies have taken a larger 
role in spectrum policy.

    Question. How can Congress ensure our national security while 
maintaining NTIA's role as the Federal government's spectrum policy 
lead?
    Answer. As the former acting Administrator of NTIA, I believe there 
is a false narrative that the Administrator and the dedicated men and 
women at NTIA do not prioritize the country's national security; but I 
do agree that Congress plays an important role ensuring the process 
runs more smoothly, and agencies abide by the process.
    Suggestions on how to strengthen the process:

  1)  Properly fund NTIA's ITS lab. The United States should have a 
        world-class telecommunications lab that can work closely with 
        the Federal Communications Commission to adjudicate potential 
        concerns of interference.

  2)  Require and give NTIA the tools to become more data-centric.

  3)  Upgrade the NTIA Administrator to Under Secretary--titles matter 
        in the U.S. government.

  4)  Create shot clocks to force timely decision-making.

  5)  Update the Spectrum Relocation Fund to offer greater incentives.
                                 ______
                                 
   Response to Written Question Submitted by Hon. Maria Cantwell to 
                         Harold Furchtgott-Roth
Smart Spectrum Policy
    We have seen firsthand how a fractured domestic approach to 
spectrum management threatens domestic and national security. The 
former Administration's hands-off policies resulted in interagency 
disputes.
    We can avoid this by creating a unified approach to domestic 
spectrum policy, where agencies with critical missions such as the FAA 
and DoD work together with NTIA--cooperatively--on spectrum. The Biden 
Administration's framework outlined in the Presidential Memorandum on 
Modernizing United States Spectrum Policy does this.
    We are at our best when we work together. Facilitating a 
collaborative approach to domestic spectrum policy will ensure a 
unified front on the world stage. A smart approach to spectrum will 
allow the U.S. to lead on international policies and advance our 
national security interests.

    Question 1. How in your view have the interagency spectrum disputes 
of the past harmed national security, and why is it so important to 
restore order to the process?
    Answer. NTIA has maintained the role of coordinating various 
Administrations' spectrum policy for decades. The FCC makes many 
spectrum decisions that do not adversely affect NTIA's spectrum 
decisions, and vice versa. On a few spectrum decisions, there has been 
a lack of coordination. NTIA is responsible for coordinating Federal 
spectrum, and the FCC is responsible for coordinating non-federal 
spectrum. The FCC makes decisions based on a public record--one usually 
devoid of classified information. Occasionally, FCC decisions may 
affect national security, and improved mechanisms should be in place to 
better coordinate FCC decisions with those national security concerns. 
It is important that government decisions affecting spectrum not 
endanger national security.
                                 ______
                                 
   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Kyrsten Sinema to 
                         Harold Furchtgott-Roth
    Question 1. What have been the key shortcomings of previous 
spectrum policy determinations, and how have commercial entities both 
failed and succeeded in the past to effectively take into account the 
need for national security access and use of the spectrum?
    Answer. Please see my answer above to Senator Cantwell's question. 
It is the responsibility of the Federal government, not commercial 
entities, to consider national security concerns and propose 
corresponding policies.

    Question 2. Are there adequate policies and procedures in place as 
we modernize and optimize our spectrum use and infrastructure to 
balance future national defense needs of and access to spectrum with 
the commercial and scientific stakeholders?
    Answer. Please see my answer above to Senator Cantwell's question.

    a. If not, what needs to be added?
    Answer. Again, please see my answer above to Senator Cantwell's 
question.

    b. Recognizing that future technological development may be 
difficult to anticipate, do those policies and procedures account for 
access and use of the spectrum by the Department of Defense (DoD) in 
the future as they respond to developments of spectrum use by our 
adversaries, which may be within spectrum bands the DoD no longer has 
access to?
    Answer. DoD develops systems that may use specific bands of 
spectrum for specific purposes. This question focuses on whether DoD 
can respond if an adversary develops a weapons system that uses a 
specific band of spectrum that has been allocated for non-federal use 
in the United States. This is an important question for electronic 
warfare and countermeasures that DoD might be able to use against a 
hostile weapon system.
    In such a scenario, the development, testing, and training of 
countermeasures to a hostile weapon system should still be possible at 
a military facility that is distant from commercial uses in that band. 
The actual use of those countermeasures would only occur during a major 
conflict or war; this would be a time when DoD already has emergency 
authority over spectrum.

    c. What do we need to consider in spectrum optimization to account 
for the agility certain adversaries have in spectrum allocation and 
their ability to prioritize their own security considerations over 
commercial interests?
    Answer. Each nation has its own spectrum priorities and policies. 
Some prioritize national security more than the United States; some 
prioritize it less. At least one of our global adversaries, China, 
tends to allocate more spectrum for commercial purposes than the United 
States does.

    d. What is the feedback you have received from the DoD and other 
national security stakeholders on the Dynamic Spectrum Sharing concept 
referenced in testimony to optimize spectrum use?
    Answer. I have not communicated directly with DoD about Dynamic 
Spectrum Sharing.

    Question 3. Again, recognizing that we can never fully anticipate 
what areas of the spectrum our adversaries may be utilizing or 
researching for their own weapons systems development, is it possible 
to identify certain geographic areas within the Nation to exclude from 
the sale of exclusive access of the spectrum in order to preserve DoD 
access and flexibility in testing and training within such limited 
geographic area(s)?
    Answer. Yes; that should be possible. The FCC has a long history of 
issuing and auctioning off spectrum licenses tied specifically to 
limited geographic territories. Moreover, certain military reservations 
in the western United States should be remote enough from commercial 
activities to allow for development and testing and evaluation of 
weapons systems.

    a. Would such an area for test and evaluation be of value to the 
commercial and scientific stakeholders as well? If so, how?
    Answer. Possibly. However, that is a question better directed to 
commercial entities and scientific researchers.

    b. Would there be any anticipated concerns from commercial or 
scientific stakeholders that you are aware of?
    Answer. Again, that is a question better directed to commercial 
entities and scientific researchers.

    Question 4. The U.S. Army's Buffalo Soldier Electronic Testing and 
Training Range at Fort Huachuca, Arizona currently serves as a 
technical demonstration platform that is critical to the DoD by 
enabling research and development, driving technological advancement, 
bolstering national security, informing effective policies, and 
advancing scientific discovery.

    a. As part of the National Spectrum Strategy and the need to 
develop a national testbed for dynamic spectrum sharing (DSS), is it 
possible to co-locate the DSS testbed with the Buffalo Soldier 
Electronic Testing and Training Range at Fort Huachuca and the Western 
Regional Range Complex concept in general to enable DoD, Federal 
agencies, and national policymakers to work cooperatively with 
industry, researchers, and academia to objectively identify 
optimization opportunities and examine new technologies?
    Answer. This is a question about specific programs, and it is 
better directed to the individuals responsible for those programs.

    b. Would co-locating these activities reduce or eliminate 
duplication of other efforts and synchronize other relevant research 
and engineering activities already under way across the government with 
respect to AI/ML, zero-trust networks, data-source management, autonomy 
and autonomous systems, and advanced radar technologies?
    Answer. Again, this is a question better directed to the 
individuals responsible for those programs.
                                 ______
                                 
   Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Ben Ray Lujan to 
                         Harold Furchtgott-Roth
Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing (EMBRSS) Feasibility 
        Assessment Report
    As I said in-person in the hearing, the United States can retake 
our leadership position on spectrum. To do so, we must lead the world 
in developing the next generation of not only spectrum technology, but 
spectrum policy. The U.S. Depart of Defense recently released an 
unclassified version of the Emerging Mid-Band Radar Spectrum Sharing 
(EMBRSS) Feasibility Assessment Report as required by the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA). The assessment found ``a 
[Dynamic Spectrum Management System] DSMS, that evolves the CBRS 
framework in the 3550-3700 MHz band, with advanced interference 
mitigation features which can address the needs of all systems, 
including the unique needs of airborne systems, provides a feasible 
path forward for spectrum sharing between the Federal and commercial 
systems in the 3100-3450 MHz band [emphasis added]'' (Page 220; U.S. 
Department of Defense, EMBRSS Feasibility Assessment Report; released 
September 2023, unclassified report released April 3, 2024).

    Question 1. Now that the EMBRSS Report is public, does it provide a 
roadmap for future public and private investment into the regulations 
and technology necessary to open up spectrum availability through 
dynamic spectrum sharing? If it does not provide a roadmap, what other 
steps are necessary?
    Answer. There are several possible options for managing all or part 
of the lower 3 GHz band. Dynamic spectrum sharing is one possibility; 
there are also others. Assuming that Congress does not reallocate the 
lower 3 GHz band by statute, decisions about whether and how to 
transfer part or all of the lower 3 GHz band to non-federal use will be 
made by the Administration, including NTIA and DoD. Those decisions by 
the Administration will be informed by many considerations, including 
the possibility of using technologies such as Dynamic Spectrum Sharing.
                                 ______
                                 
 Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. John Hickenlooper to 
                         Harold Furchtgott-Roth
Spectrum Relocation Fund
    The Spectrum Relocation Fund (SRF) has been effective in providing 
compensation for Federal agencies who are willing to share or 
reallocate their spectrum for non-federal purposes. However, the 
current statute limits reimbursements for agencies to modify their 
systems to adapt to a sharing or reallocation arrangement only up to a 
``comparable capability''.

    Question 1. Do you agree the ``comparable capability'' threshold 
under the current Spectrum Relocation Fund statute is limiting? What 
effect do you believe proposals would have by amending this threshold 
to allow for reimbursements, subject to review by the Technical Panel 
(including the Office of Management and Budget) to support ``enhanced 
capability'' or achieve a ``state of the art''?
    Answer. I agree that, for purposes of the Spectrum Relocation Fund, 
allowing for reimbursement of ``enhanced capability'' would be an 
improvement over ``comparable capability.'' However, I am not convinced 
that this improvement alone will lead to an efficient allocation of 
Federal spectrum. Federal agencies will continue to see little benefit 
in making spectrum available to transfer to, or to share with, non-
federal use.
    Under 47 U.S.C. 923(j), the Spectrum Relocation Fund establishes a 
preference that ``NTIA shall give priority to options involving 
reallocation of the band for exclusive non-federal use.'' Spectrum 
bands that are not occupied by a Federal agency are becoming 
increasingly scarce, which increases the necessity to finding 
coexistence regimes that protect Federal missions and also foster 
innovation in non-federal, commercial applications.

    Question 2. Do you believe these provisions establishing an SRF 
preference for exclusive non-federal users should be modernized to 
better reflect the current spectrum environment? Why or why not?
    Answer. Yes, insofar as the Spectrum Relocation Fund can and should 
apply to instances of sharing as well as complete transfer to non-
federal use.
    However, the limitations of the Spectrum Relocation Fund are only 
part of the overall inefficiencies associated with the allocation and 
use of Federal spectrum. We have no overall valuation of Federal 
spectrum resources. We also lack an assessment for each agency's use of 
spectrum, as well as pricing mechanisms that would enable agencies to 
increase or to decrease their use of an extraordinarily valuable and 
scarce resource: Federal spectrum.
    Federal spectrum likely has a market value of trillions of dollars. 
Its efficient use benefits America; its inefficient use is a loss of a 
valuable resource that cannot be recovered. The Federal government 
monitors and quantifies a Federal agency's use of Federal dollars, of 
Federal personnel, of the environment effects of the agency's 
activities, and of other uses of Federal assets. In each instance, 
agencies have quantifiable budgets that must be met. But there is no 
Federal budget for Federal spectrum, no incentive to use less of it, no 
mechanism to obtain more as needed, and no basis to improve the 
efficient use of spectrum.
    Therefore, the Spectrum Relocation Fund can and should be improved, 
but it is only a partial solution to a much larger problem.
                                 ______
                                 
    Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Jerry Moran to 
                         Harold Furchtgott-Roth
Spectrum Research
    The University of Kansas, along with partners including Wichita 
State University, is conducting research into improving data security 
over 5G hardware that is potentially compromised.

    Question 1. As our Nation addresses increased vulnerabilities that 
come from the proliferation of advanced wireless technology in major 
segments of our economy--including transportation, manufacturing and 
critical infrastructure--what are your opinions on the importance of 
funding research directed at maintaining national security?
    Answer. National security is a public good that would not 
ordinarily attract private funding. It is important for the Federal 
government to support national security, including research for 
national security as described above. Of course, much private 
investment and research can be--and is--used subsequently for national 
defense purposes.

    Question 2. Particularly related to national security and defense, 
what do you see are top areas of spectrum-related research that we are 
pursuing or should be prioritized?
    Answer. Government-funded research should focus on areas that are 
not otherwise addressed by private research. One area of spectrum 
research that requires substantial government attention is spectrum 
used both to support our military drones and to deter hostile drone 
warfare. Electronic warfare and the coordinated use of spectrum are 
increasingly important as drone attacks have become a primary form of 
warfare in Ukraine and the Middle East.
Unmanned Aerial Systems
    Uncertainty about future spectrum access can inhibit new technology 
development and can have broad downstream impacts far beyond 
communications networks. The Administration has acknowledged that 
spectrum access is essential for the next generation of aviation, 
identifying the 5030-5091 MHz band to support command non-payload 
communications (CNPC) in the National Spectrum Strategy (NSS). CNPC is 
fundamental to the safe operation of remotely operated aircraft, 
including Uncrewed Aircraft Systems (UAS) and Advanced Air Mobility 
(AAM). The NSS Implementation Plan envisions a study of this band--
which is already allocated for non-federal aviation services--that will 
not be complete until 2026.

    Question 1. Can you please discuss the economic and commensurate 
safety and security risks that uncertainty regarding access to this 
band creates for the development of the necessary technologies, 
networks, and services to provide CNPC to future UAS and AAM 
operations?
    Answer. Please see my answer above concerning areas of spectrum 
research. Of course, there are economic, safety, and security risks 
associated with delayed research for spectrum associated with unmanned 
aerial systems. The Administration's timelines for NSS are much too 
slow.
    The discussion here is correct, but it focuses narrowly on the use 
of spectrum to support our unmanned military aerial systems. Just as 
important is the need to develop countermeasures based on spectrum to 
defeat hostile unmanned aerial systems. The Ukraine War has been 
punctuated by a series of drone attacks by both sides against targets 
with little or no electronic defenses.
NTIA Appropriations/Spectrum Policy Leadership
    As the ranking member on the CJS Appropriations Subcommittee, which 
has jurisdiction over NTIA, I've watched these recent debates around 
spectrum with great interest. As we know, the NTIA Administrator, by 
law, is the President's principal advisor on all telecommunications 
issues. NTIA also houses the Institute for Telecommunication Sciences 
(ITS), a world-leading lab that can run robust tests and make unbiased 
findings.
    But over the last few years, other agencies have taken a larger 
role in spectrum policy.

    Question 1. How can Congress ensure our national security while 
maintaining NTIA's role as the Federal government's spectrum policy 
lead?
    Answer. The Spectrum Pipeline Act is a good starting point. 
Spectrum policy in the United States is disjointed, with NTIA 
responsible for Federal spectrum and the FCC responsible for non-
federal (primarily commercial) spectrum. Coordination between the FCC 
and NTIA has waxed and waned over the years. We need both forms of 
spectrum policy.
    Spectrum is worth trillions of dollars and is one of the least 
developed assets in America. A generation from now, Americans will look 
back at our primitive use spectrum today in amazement. Commercial 
spectrum should be allowed to develop to the benefit of American 
consumers with clear property rights and with only those rules attached 
that are necessary to protect those property rights. But spectrum is 
also vital for non-commercial applications, including aviation safety, 
meteorology, space research, navigation, national security, and 
countless other Federal uses. Congress should balance the Federal and 
non-federal interests in spectrum and hold both the FCC and NTIA 
accountable.
U.S. Technological Leadership
    China is attempting to influence spectrum allocations worldwide, 
including most recently at the World Radio Conference where they 
challenged the U.S. position on the 6GHz band, which the U.S. has 
allocated for unlicensed use.

    Question 1. What is your assessment of U.S. leadership in 
international wireless standards, and what can Congress do to ensure 
China is not effective in diminishing U.S. wireless technology 
positions internationally?
    Answer. International standards-setting bodies are important, and 
the governments of many other countries spend far more resources trying 
to influence these bodies than the American government spends. However, 
there is a delicate balance to consider. On the one hand, it would be 
unseemly for the Federal government to invest substantial taxpayer 
resources trying to influence these bodies in a blatant form of rent-
seeking. Additionally, we have never been terribly accomplished at 
government-funded efforts to influence international fora. But on the 
other hand, other countries have effectively done precisely this.
    We should, of course, be better organized for ITU conferences than 
we have been in recent years. But American government leadership can 
only go so far. America and American consumers--and consumers around 
the world--have the best outcomes at these international fora when 
America leads with better ideas, rather than with more taxpayer funds 
or arm-twisting.
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  Response to Written Questions Submitted by Hon. Marsha Blackburn to 
                         Harold Furchtgott-Roth
    Senators Cruz, Thune, and I introduced the Spectrum Pipeline Act, 
which would reauthorize the FCC's spectrum auction authority, modernize 
the Spectrum Relocation Fund, and establish a pipeline to make 2,500 
MHz of spectrum available for commercial use.

    Question 1. In your written statement, you highlighted the 
contribution of wireless services to the creation and development of 
countless U.S. businesses, estimating that the consumer welfare value 
of commercial spectrum in the U.S. exceeds $10 trillion. That's a 
tremendous number. Could you expand upon this and explain how the 
Spectrum Pipeline Act's emphasis on additional licensed spectrum would 
contribute to consumer welfare? What would be the consequences of 
foregoing this opportunity?
    Answer. Writing in 2015, Coleman Bazelon and Giulia McHenry 
estimated that 645 MHz of licensed mobile wireless spectrum in 2015 was 
worth approximately $500 billion.\1\ Bazelon and McHenry also estimated 
that the net present value of consumer welfare associated with licensed 
mobile wireless spectrum was from 10 to 20 times the market value: 
between $5 trillion and $10 trillion.\2\
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    \1\ Coleman Bazelon and Giulia McHenry, Mobile Broadband Spectrum: 
A Vital Resource for the American Economy, The Brattle Group (May 11, 
2015), https://www.brattle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/
7801_mobile_broadband_spectrum_-_a_valuable_resource_for_the_american_
economy_bazelon_mchenry_051115.pdf at 1.
    \2\ Id.
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    Substantially more licensed spectrum has entered the U.S. inventory 
since 2015, including returned broadcast spectrum, 3.45 GHz, CBRS, and 
3.7 GHz. In 2022, the FCC estimated that there were 1,123 megahertz of 
licensed mobile wireless spectrum below 4 GHz \3\ and 4,950 megahertz 
of millimeter-wave licensed fixed and mobile spectrum at higher 
frequencies.\4\ The FCC is considering transferring more spectrum for 
licensed use. Even assuming, unrealistically, no increase in the value 
of mobile wireless spectrum on a price per MHz pop basis, the amount of 
licensed spectrum below 4 GHz increased by 74 percent from 645 MHz to 
1,123 GHz. Moreover, the population of the United States increased by 
about 5 percent between 2015 and 2022. Even assuming the price per MHz 
pop remained constant ($0.775 = $500 billion  645 MHz/population), the 
increase in licensed spectrum below 4 GHz and the increase in 
population means that the value of licensed spectrum below 4 GHz in 
2022 would have been $914 billion.\5\ Adding even a small value per MHz 
pop for the 4,950 MHz of millimeter wave results in a total value of 
licensed spectrum well above $1 trillion. Using the same ratios from 
Bazelon and McHenry for the net present value of consumer welfare for 
licensed spectrum results in values well above $10 trillion.
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    \3\ Communications Marketplace Report, 37 FCC Rcd 15514, (rel. Jan. 
4, 2023), https://www.fcc
.gov/document/2022-communications-marketplace-report at  84, Figure 
II.B.9.
    \4\ Id. at  85, Figure II.B.10.
    \5\ $914 billion = ($600 billion*1123)/(645 billion*1.05).
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    This is likely an underestimate of the value of licensed mobile 
wireless spectrum because many transactions for mobile wireless 
spectrum below 4 GHz since 2015 occurred at a value above $0.775 per 
MHz pop. These transactions include the returned broadcast spectrum 
auction, the 3.45 GHz auction, and the 3.7 GHz auction. An overall 
blended average of mobile wireless services of $1 or $1.25 per MHz pop 
for spectrum below 4 GHz in the early 2020s is not unrealistic.
    Moreover, American consumers enjoy substantial value from other 
commercial uses of spectrum outside of mobile wireless applications, 
including broadcasting, CBRS, unlicensed applications, and specialized 
services such as navigation and aeronautics. Consequently, today, the 
total value of commercial spectrum in the United States below 4 GHz is 
almost certainly in the many trillions of dollars, with the value of 
commercial spectrum above 4 GHz being a substantial sum as well. The 
consumer welfare of such commercial applications well exceeds $10 
trillion.
    The Spectrum Pipeline Act would instruct NTIA to identify and to 
transfer to the FCC substantial spectrum resources from the Federal 
sector by a date certain. Much of this spectrum would be applied to 
commercial uses, further enhancing consumer welfare in the United 
States.
    At the World Radiocommunications Conference last year, China and 
Huawei were almost successful in rallying other countries to identify 
the 6 GHz band for licensed use. This could have stranded the billions 
of dollars invested in engineering and manufacturing 6 GHz WiFi devices 
for the global market. This also would have given Huawei a significant 
advantage in the market as they are the only company building licensed 
wireless equipment for 6 GHz. Despite our lack of preparedness, the 
U.S. delegation was able to block these attempts. However, I am 
concerned this may be the new normal in international venues.

    Question 2. Do you expect China to try something like this again, 
and what can the United States do to be better prepared in the future 
to pushback and deter similar China actions?
    Answer. Please see my answer above to a similar question from 
Senator Moran.

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