[Senate Hearing 118-695]
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                                                        S. Hrg. 118-695

                 IMPORTANCE OF GREAT LAKES ICEBREAKING 
                        TO THE REGIONAL ECONOMY

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                             FIELD HEARING

                               BEFORE THE

                SUBCOMMITTEE ON OCEANS, FISHERIES, CLIMATE 
                       CHANGE, AND MANUFACTURING
                  
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                         COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE,
                      SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

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                             MARCH 1, 2024

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       SENATE COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

                   MARIA CANTWELL, Washington, Chair
AMY KLOBUCHAR, Minnesota             TED CRUZ, Texas, Ranking
BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii                 JOHN THUNE, South Dakota
EDWARD MARKEY, Massachusetts         ROGER WICKER, Mississippi
GARY PETERS, Michigan                DEB FISCHER, Nebraska
TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin             JERRY MORAN, Kansas
TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois            DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
JON TESTER, Montana                  MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee
KYRSTEN SINEMA, Arizona              TODD YOUNG, Indiana
JACKY ROSEN, Nevada                  TED BUDD, North Carolina
BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico            ERIC SCHMITT, Missouri
JOHN HICKENLOOPER, Colorado          J. D. VANCE, Ohio
RAPHAEL WARNOCK, Georgia             SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West 
PETER WELCH, Vermont                     Virginia
                                     CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming
                   Lila Harper Helms, Staff Director
                 Melissa Porter, Deputy Staff Director
                     Jonathan Hale, General Counsel
                 Brad Grantz, Republican Staff Director
           Nicole Christus, Republican Deputy Staff Director
                     Liam McKenna, General Counsel
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          SUBCOMMITTEE ON OCEANS, FISHERIES, CLIMATE CHANGE, 
                           AND MANUFACTURING

TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin, Chair      DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska, Ranking
BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii                 ROGER WICKER, Mississippi
EDWARD MARKEY, Massachusetts         JERRY MORAN, Kansas
BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico            MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee
RAPHAEL WARNOCK, Georgia             J. D. VANCE, Ohio
PETER WELCH, Vermont
                            
                            
                            C O N T E N T S

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Hearing held on March 1, 2024....................................     1
Statement of Senator Baldwin.....................................     1

                               Witnesses

Admiral Linda L. Fagan, Commandant, U.S. Coast Guard.............     2
    Prepared statement...........................................     4
Master Chief Heath B. Jones, Master Petty Chief, U.S. Coast Guard     7
    Prepared statement...........................................     8
Rear Admiral Jonathan P. Hickey, Commander, Ninth District, U.S. 
  Coast Guard....................................................    10
    Prepared statement...........................................    12
Master Chief Matthew D. Buckman, Command Master Chief, Ninth 
  District, U.S. Coast Guard.....................................    14
    Prepared statement...........................................    15
Dean B. Haen, Director, Brown County Port and Resource Recovery 
  Department.....................................................    26
    Prepared statement...........................................    27
Ken Przybyla, Vice President of Operations, GLC Minerals.........    29
    Prepared statement...........................................    30
James H. I. Weakley, President, Lake Carriers' Association.......    31
    Prepared statement...........................................    33

 
     IMPORTANCE OF GREAT LAKES ICEBREAKING TO THE REGIONAL ECONOMY

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                         FRIDAY, MARCH 1, 2024

                               U.S. Senate,
 Subcommittee on Oceans, Fisheries, Climate Change 
                                 and Manufacturing,
        Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation,
                                                     Green Bay, WI.
    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 11 a.m. CST, 
in Green Bay, Wisconsin 54303, Hon. Tammy Baldwin, Chairman of 
the Subcommittee, presiding.
    Present: Senator Baldwin [presiding].

           OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. TAMMY BALDWIN, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM WISCONSIN

    Senator Baldwin. [Technical problems]--icebreaking to 
Wisconsin and the regional economy. The importance of Great 
Lakes navigation cannot be overstated. Commerce on the Great 
Lakes supports more than $20 billion in regional economic 
activity, including 147,000 jobs and $10.5 billion in wages 
that go directly to hardworking individuals right here in this 
region.
    The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers reports that the Great 
Lakes save the economy $3.9 billion per year by providing a 
less costly way to transport goods. We are in Green Bay to hold 
this hearing not by accident or happenstance.
    Just down the street is the port of Green Bay, which is a 
vital hub in this navigation system that generates jobs and 
supports economic activity, so--which is so vital to Wisconsin 
and to the region.
    And I am grateful that today we will be able to hear 
directly from the people who have firsthand experience moving 
commodities through our port and keeping this critical part of 
the regional economy active and healthy.
    Our second panel today, we will hear from Dean Haen, the 
Port Director for the Port of Green Bay; Ken Przybyla, Vice 
President of Operations for GLC Minerals, a company that has 
over 150 years of experience moving commodities through the 
Great Lakes; and Jim Weakley, President of the Lake Carriers 
Association. Icebreaking during the winter months is crucial to 
sustaining the movement of good that powers our regional 
economy.
    I recognize that we are having a warmer winter than usual 
this year, and it is presenting its own challenges for small 
businesses across the state. Still, three of the worst Great 
Lakes ice seasons of the past several decades occurred during 
the past 10 years.
    During these 3 years combined, inadequate icebreaking cost 
our region's economy approximately $2 billion and 10,000 jobs 
due to reductions in maritime commerce, resulting in impacts on 
manufacturing industries. Climate change is contributing to 
more extreme weather events, larger quantities of 
precipitation, and higher lake levels.
    During the winter, these changes result in greater risk of 
flooding because ice collects in rivers and forms ice dams. Our 
communities rely on Coast Guard icebreakers to break up those 
ice dams and prevent flooding in our communities.
    The Coast Guard is the only Federal entity required and 
equipped to perform icebreaking on U.S. waterways. There are 
currently nine Great Lakes icebreakers, including just one 
heavy icebreaker, the Coast Guard Cutter MACKINAW, which has 
been in service for 17 years.
    This vessel is currently the only heavy icebreaking 
resource assigned to the Great Lakes, conducting 14 percent of 
the Coast Guard's average annual domestic icebreaking hours. 
From reliable supply chains to saving lives and property from 
flooding, we need more icebreakers. And that is why I have 
consistently advocated for the acquisition of a new, heavy 
Great Lakes icebreaker.
    I was proud to work with my colleagues to introduce the 
bipartisan Great Lakes Winter Commerce Act, which was signed 
into law as part of the National Defense Authorization Act in 
December 2022. This bill authorized full funding for a new 
heavy Great Lakes icebreaker at $35 million.
    As a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee also, I 
am continuing to work to ensure that we secure funding. In the 
Senate, we have bipartisan Government funding legislation that 
includes $55 million for this new heavy icebreaker.
    And I have been, and I will continue to press my colleagues 
to pass this important funding bill, and I will continue to 
fight for full funding of the icebreaker and an on-time 
appropriations bill next year.
    Admiral Fagan, and Admiral Hickey, Master Chief Jones, and 
Master Chief Buckman, thank you all for being here today. I 
look forward to discussing this region's icebreaking needs with 
you today, as well as listen--as well as items that are 
important to our Coast Guard and our Coast Guard families 
stationed here in the Great Lakes region, such as access to 
adequate, affordable childcare, housing, and health care.
    I am confident that we can work together to better serve 
those who serve our Nation. And I will now turn over to our 
witnesses for their opportunity to make opening testimony, 
starting with Admiral Fagan. We will include your full written 
testimony in the record.
    So, if we could try to keep around 5 minutes, that would be 
great, and thanks again.

  STATEMENT OF ADMIRAL LINDA L. FAGAN, COMMANDANT, U.S. COAST 
                             GUARD

    Admiral Fagan. All right. Thank you, Senator. Hopefully, 
everyone can hear me. And good morning, Chair Baldwin. Thank 
you for the opportunity to testify today, the great State of 
Wisconsin, and I love being in this state.
    Thank you as well for your enduring support of the United 
States Coast Guard and thank you for accepting my written 
testimony into the record. The Great Lakes are the heart of a 
regional economy that generates $6 trillion in gross domestic 
product every year.
    Unimpeded flow of resources on the Great Lakes is essential 
to preserve the region's prosperity and the Nation's strength. 
Safeguarding this economy and overcoming the seasonal and 
environmental challenges of the Great Lakes demands a ready 
Coast Guard workforce and fleet.
    Today, I look forward to sharing how our icebreakers, 
icebreaking operations, and partnerships are vital for the 
Coast Guard to sustain readiness, resilience, and capability in 
the region.
    Our workforce is at the forefront of these efforts, and I 
look forward to discussing the quality of life in Coast Guard 
service members and their families across the region, including 
here in Wisconsin.
    I am incredibly proud of our Coast Guard active duty, 
reserve, and civilian, and auxiliary workforce who execute 
missions across the Great Lakes. And my highest priority as 
Commandant is to ensure and build our talent management system 
and strengthen our service culture. Need to ensure that every 
member is able to serve in a safe environment and is able to 
serve to their greatest potential.
    Every member of our workforce is entitled to serve in an 
environment free from sexual assault, sexual harassment, 
hazing, bullying, retaliation, and retribution, and I am 
committed to the work necessary to ensure our core values of 
honor and respect are experienced and realized every day by 
every member of the workforce.
    Our Coast Guard families deserve support services that meet 
their needs. And thank you to Congress, we have made meaningful 
investments to improve the experience our workforce and 
families have serving in the Great Lakes region.
    Many of our units are in close knit communities where 
available housing, health care, and childcare differs from 
densely populated locations. Improved access to health care 
must include expanding the use of telehealth services, easing 
access to medical specialties including dental care, physical 
therapy, and behavioral health services.
    We are prioritizing family support, seeking increased 
access to childcare, and expanding professional development 
opportunities for Coast Guard spouses. This support helps our 
workforce meet the challenge of balancing military service and 
family life. That balance enables our crews to focus on their 
critical missions to safeguard Great Lakes waterways.
    Our goal is to keep the highest priority waterways open for 
vessels passage during the winter, and we understand that as 
economic demands and climate conditions change in this region, 
we must evolve the icebreaking mission accordingly.
    Therefore, we are evaluating our current data sources to 
develop a wider slate of performance measures to assess the 
health of the waterways, the impacts of commercial icebreaking 
patterns, and the performance of our own icebreaking fleet. And 
we support our Great Lakes shipping partners, and we intend to 
leverage this information to better articulate our resource 
needs and tradeoffs within the region.
    Along the vast shorelines and shared maritime boundaries of 
the Great Lakes, our partnerships are vital to the success of 
the icebreaking mission, and since 1980, the United States 
Coast Guard has partnered closely with the Canadian Coast Guard 
to optimize work across the fleet of icebreaking assets.
    The partnership, known as One Fleet, facilitates about 
1,000 vessel transits carrying 20 million tons of bulk cargo, 
and supports $1 billion of industrial production during an 
average ice season. The United States Coast Guard provides 
icebreaking capabilities throughout the Great Lakes, with one 
heavy domestic icebreaker, six 140 foot icebreakers, and two 
225 ice capable buoy tenders.
    And combined with our Canadian Coast Guard partners, our 
fleet support a unified approach to icebreaking to provide 
economies of scale and flexibility. Our continued success in 
this mission requires the sustainment and modernization of the 
Coast Guard domestic icebreakers, and I am committed to 
developing the next system of icebreaking assets.
    The recently completed fleet mix analysis result showed we 
need another heavy domestic icebreaker to meet future mission 
demands across the Great Lakes. And in consistent with 
Congressional direction and the President's 2024 budget 
request, we are focused on acquiring a second heavy domestic 
icebreaker, and I look forward to continuing to work with 
Congress to support this acquisition.
    The Great Lakes is instrumental to the United States' 
national security and economic prosperity, and we proudly serve 
in this region and its communities and are committed to 
sharpening the services we provide to keep the Great Lakes 
economy moving forward.
    Senator, thank you for the opportunity to be here today, 
and I look forward to taking your questions. Thank you, 
Senator.
    [The prepared statement of Admiral Fagan follows:]

       Prepared Statement of Admiral Linda L. Fagan, Commandant, 
                            U.S. Coast Guard
Introduction
    Chair Baldwin, Ranking Member Sullivan, and distinguished Members 
of the Subcommittee, thank you for inviting me to testify and for your 
continuing support of the United States Coast Guard. As a premier, 
multi-mission, maritime service responsible for the safety, security 
and stewardship of the Nation's waters, the Coast Guard offers a unique 
and enduring value to the American public. At all times a military 
service and branch of the U.S. Armed Forces, a Federal law enforcement 
agency, a first responder, and a regulatory body, the Coast Guard 
serves on the front lines for a Nation whose economic prosperity and 
national security are inextricably linked to our waterways, including 
the Great Lakes.
    The Great Lakes region is vital to North American industry, which 
generates an estimated $6 trillion in gross domestic product annually. 
The waterways which support this industry are environmentally dynamic 
and seasonal in nature, demanding a ready workforce and fleet. Today, 
Coast Guard icebreaking operations, international partnerships, and 
efforts to recapitalize our domestic icebreaking fleet are vital for 
the Service to sustain readiness, resilience, and capability for 
missions throughout this region.
    There are 40 million people, including members of our Coast Guard 
workforce, who call the Great Lakes basin home. For over 88 years, the 
Coast Guard has safeguarded the waters of the Great Lakes marine 
transportation system (MTS). We proudly serve and protect this region 
and these communities. In the winter, your Coast Guard breaks the path 
for prosperity.
    At the forefront of Coast Guard Great Lakes icebreaking operations 
is our workforce. I am incredibly proud of our Coast Guard Active Duty, 
Reserve, Civilian, and Auxiliary members who perform operations across 
the Great Lakes and my top priority is to transform the Service to best 
support them. I look forward to discussing the quality-of-life of Coast 
Guard Service members and their families serving in locations across 
the region, including here in Wisconsin.
Mission Critical: Supporting the Workforce
    Since I last appeared before Members of this Committee and 
responded to questions about the handling of investigations of prior 
sexual misconduct at the Coast Guard Academy, the Service has focused 
on prevention of sexual harassment and sexual assault; holding members 
accountable who do not live up to our standards; listening to and 
supporting victims and survivors; and, strengthening the Service's 
culture and commitment to our core values of Honor, Respect, and 
Devotion to Duty. From Senior Leaders to the most junior recruit, 
everyone in our Service must be committed to fostering a culture where 
each member of our workforce is valued, empowered, trusted, and 
supported. To my Service, to Congress, to the American public--we 
continue our important work on this issue. We are unconditionally 
committed.
    My highest priority is the Coast Guard workforce. Without these 
Sentinels, we cannot operate or maintain our icebreakers, cutters, 
boats, and aircraft. Thanks to the tremendous support of Congress, we 
have made meaningful investments to improve the work and life of 
individuals and families serving across the country. I remain committed 
in providing the innovative tools, inclusive policies, and quality-of-
life support to meet the demands of today and tomorrow. We will 
continue to use all resources necessary to revolutionize talent 
management policies and deliver point-of-need healthcare and family 
services.
    We must press forward and continue to develop new strategies for 
the quality-of-life issues that challenge our workforce and their 
families. These challenges can be exacerbated in some locations, 
including idyllic, close-knit communities across this region where the 
Coast Guard serves. In these locations we are dependent on private 
sector resources to provide health care services for our workforce. 
Improved access across the health system must include expanding the use 
of telehealth services, online appointment scheduling, electronic 
health records, and bolstering health services such as dental care, 
physical therapy, and behavioral health services.
    We are prioritizing family support, focused on increasing access to 
childcare, expanding professional development opportunities, and 
assisting spouses desiring to participate in fellowships with civilian 
employers. We offer expanded Work-Life services to families through our 
global network of ombudsmen--who serve as the critical communications 
link between commands and families. This support allows the Coast 
Guard's active duty workforce to overcome the challenge of balancing 
military service and their family life. I want to emphasize my 
commitment to the entirety of `Team Coast Guard.' Our families are 
essential to mission success--success which is critical to safeguarding 
the waterways of the Great Lakes.
Advancing the Mission, Sharpening Our Standards
    The foundation of commerce in the Great Lakes is the movement of 
quantities of commodities and agricultural goods such as iron, coal, 
petroleum products, and salt. Since the most cost-effective mode of 
transportation for these raw materials is by vessel, the continuous and 
unimpeded flow of these resources upon the navigable waters of the MTS 
is essential to preserve the region's--and Nation's--economic and 
national prosperity. The seasonality of the Great Lakes, including its 
propensity to experience ice-choked conditions, can challenge this 
nationally significant supply chain.
    The Service conducts domestic icebreaking operations throughout the 
Great Lakes to facilitate this critical maritime commerce. Our domestic 
icebreaking operations generally fall into one of four priorities: 
search and rescue, urgent response to vessels, exigent community 
services, and facilitation of navigation.
    Conducting search and rescue and urgent response to vessels is at 
the core of the Service, and our icebreaker fleet ensures we continue 
to help those in peril through the winter ice season. We provide 
icebreaking services to open channels for ferry routes and ice-bound 
Michigan communities such as Mackinac Island, Beaver Island, Sugar 
Island, Harsens Island, and Washington Island to ensure these 
communities can receive food, heating oil, fuel, and medical 
assistance. We also work with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to aid 
in the prevention of floods and hazardous water levels near shoreline 
communities that may be caused by ice obstructions, such as flooding 
events in recent years near the St. Clair River.
    As originally established by President Roosevelt's Executive Order 
7521 in 1936, and further codified by the Don Young Coast Guard 
Authorization Act of 2022 (CGAA), the Coast Guard facilitates 
navigation by breaking ice to meet the needs of commerce. Icebreaking 
operations include the establishment and maintenance of tracks in the 
connecting waterways of the MTS, as well as providing escorts and 
direct assistance to vessels beset in ice or requiring aid.
    The Coast Guard monitors the amount of time the highest priority 
waterways are available for vessel passage during the winter. Our goal 
is to keep these waterways open 95 percent of the season and we 
generally achieve this in all but the harshest conditions. As both 
economic demands and climate conditions change, we look to evolve this 
mission.
    The Coast Guard is evaluating current data sources to develop a 
broader slate of performance measures. Proposed measures will expand 
beyond the current target (i.e., keeping the highest priority waterways 
open 95 percent of the ice season) to encompass the health of the 
waterway, impacts of commercial icebreaking partners, and performance 
of the icebreaking fleet.
    In addition, a public-facing database will be established to share 
data about this mission. While the most recent and current ice seasons 
have not afforded many opportunities to collect mission data, we are 
working with Great Lakes shipping partners to continue these efforts. 
We have already established preliminary weekly reporting on commercial 
vessel delays caused by inadequate icebreaking on our public-facing 
Homeport website.
The Power of Partnerships
    Establishing and sustaining partnerships is key to success for the 
Coast Guard's domestic icebreaking mission. The Great Lakes and St. 
Lawrence Seaway form a continuous navigable waterway bordering the 
United States and Canada, spanning more than 2,300 miles from the 
western end of Lake Superior to the Atlantic Ocean. Recognizing the 
Great Lakes is a shared waterway, the Coast Guard partners closely with 
the Canadian Coast Guard to optimize efficiencies across the fleet of 
icebreaking assets in the Great Lakes. Since 1980, the two Coast Guards 
have maintained an agreement--known as One Fleet--which allows both 
United States and Canadian Coast Guard icebreakers to operate 
interchangeably on both sides of the international border.
    This shared system of waterways is vital to the prosperity of both 
nations. During an average 145-day ice season, the icebreakers of the 
United States and Canada facilitate about 1,000 vessel transits, 
carrying 20 million tons of bulk cargo annually and supporting $1 
billion in industrial production. The Coast Guard also relies upon the 
Great Lakes' numerous commercial icebreaking companies to conduct 
icebreaking within internal waterways and alongside private docks and 
harbors. These services free our more-capable icebreakers to focus on 
major waterways.
Workhorses of Great Lakes Icebreaking--Investing in the Fleet
    The Coast Guard provides icebreaking capabilities throughout the 
Great Lakes with one heavy domestic icebreaker, six 140-foot 
icebreakers, and two 225-foot ice-capable buoy tenders. 140-foot 
icebreakers stationed on the Great Lakes are the workhorses of the 
icebreaking fleet. They can reliably break flat ice up to 36-inches 
thick and back-and-ram through 9-foot ridges, while still being nimble 
enough to maneuver within the restricted confines of smaller waterways 
such as the St. Mary's River and St. Clair River.
    The Coast Guard's newest domestic icebreaker, Coast Guard Cutter 
(CGC) Mackinaw is the only heavy domestic icebreaker in the fleet. CGC 
Mackinaw is used to break ice in the most challenging conditions, with 
plate ice often exceeding 42-inches, and ridges greater than 9-feet 
thick. CGC Mackinaw's unique azimuth pod propulsion system provides a 
combination of power and maneuverability that allows for vital 
evolutions, such as freeing a beset 1,000-foot long ``laker'' in the 
St. Mary's River.
    This integrated system of icebreaking capabilities also includes 
two ice-capable 225-foot buoy tenders. While not designed to serve as 
dedicated icebreakers, these cutters can provide limited icebreaking 
services in ice up to 14-inches thick and have proven to be well-suited 
to escort commercial vessels in unrestricted areas such as the Straits 
of Mackinac. Combined with the assets of our Canadian Coast Guard and 
commercial icebreaking partners, this fleet delivers a unified approach 
to icebreaking that provides economies of scale and the flexibility to 
address evolving mission needs in dynamic environmental conditions.
    The Coast Guard recently completed a Fleet Mix Analysis which 
recommended a future fleet of in-kind capacity to replace this current 
fleet. The results showed a need for another heavy domestic icebreaker 
to meet future service needs across the Great Lakes. The ability to 
achieve continued success in this mission and reliably facilitate 
navigation within the MTS year-round requires sustainment and 
modernization of the Coast Guard's domestic icebreaking fleet, and I am 
committed to developing the next system of icebreaking assets.
    Consistent with Congressional direction, we are focused on 
acquiring a second heavy domestic icebreaker, at least as capable as 
CGC Mackinaw. We established a Great Lakes Icebreaking Program 
Management Office to analyze requirements for the next generation of 
domestic icebreaking capability and have completed pre-acquisition 
activities, readying the Service to advance upon receipt of an 
appropriation. The FY 2024 President's Budget requests $55 million to 
fund initial acquisition activities and prepare for the purchase of 
long lead time materials for a second heavy domestic icebreaker. I look 
forward to continuing to work with Congress to support this 
acquisition.
Conclusion
    The Great Lakes MTS is instrumental to economic and national 
security. Iced-in conditions increase the possibility of supply-chain 
disruptions and delays, which can result in impacts to the economy and 
increased costs to consumers. The Coast Guard's Great Lakes icebreaking 
fleet is essential to provide access and mobility as industry works 
efficiently and effectively to move pivotal cargoes of iron ore, 
limestone, coal, and cement during shortened shipping seasons. We are 
steadfastly committed to sharpening the services we provide.
    The Coast Guard is the only military Service outside the Department 
of Defense and the only Armed Force that is primarily funded via non-
defense appropriations. Not funding the Coast Guard at the levels 
requested in our budget jeopardizes the long-term readiness of the 
Service, putting American lives, national security, and the U.S. MTS at 
risk. I ask for your support to ensure the Coast Guard--like every U.S. 
Armed Force--has the resources necessary to safeguard the Nation.
    With the support of the Administration and Congress, your Coast 
Guard will continue to live up to our motto--Semper Paratus--Always 
Ready. Thank you for your enduring support.

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. And next, Master Chief Jones.

           STATEMENT OF MASTER CHIEF HEATH B. JONES, 
              MASTER PETTY CHIEF, U.S. COAST GUARD

    Mr. Jones. Good morning, Chair Baldwin. Thank you for 
accepting my written testimony into the record.
    I want to express, alongside Admiral Fagan, our 
appreciation for your unwavering support for our Coast Guard 
members, not only here in the Ninth District, with everywhere 
your Coast Guard serves our country. Every day, our citizens 
put themselves at risk to protect, to defend, and to save.
    I want to echo the Commandant and clearly state to this 
committee and to our workforce that we are committed to 
building our talent management system and strengthening our 
service culture.
    As we discuss the future of the Coast Guard, my primary 
focus is our Sentinels and their families, specifically 
increasing access to physical and behavioral health care, 
childcare, and to affordable housing.
    Access to quality health care is one of the critical issues 
affecting Coast Guard families, who often struggle to find 
local doctors in the Tricare system. To mitigate this 
challenge, the service is working to expand telehealth 
capabilities and to provide medical care to members in remote 
locations.
    In 2023, the service released the Coast Guard's Behavioral 
Health Playbook, and this is going to help our members respond 
sensitively, professionally, and respectfully to behavioral 
health concerns.
    The Coast Guard is committing to adding clinical resources 
and increasing the number of full time, permanently staff 
positions to meet these readiness demands. Our workforce and 
their families are integral to every community in which they 
live and serve. Taking care of our Coast Guard families is 
vital to retaining the best talent our Nation has to offer.
    Here in the Ninth District and other areas with limited 
access to child development centers, childcare subsidies help 
reduce financial burdens, significantly lower stress, and 
improve the quality of life for our Coast Guard families.
    Thank you for your continued support of childcare subsidies 
to ensure that our workforce and their families are supported 
and able to serve their communities. They are making a 
difference every single day. Over 40 percent of Coast Guard 
units are in small coastal communities or areas with the high 
percentage of vacation rentals, many located here in the Ninth 
District.
    With these--while these idyllic, close knit but often high 
cost communities support the Coast Guard and their families 
very well, many members do struggle to find affordable housing. 
In places like Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, the service provides 
Coast Guard owned housing for members with dependents, while 
continuing to participate in processes that determine how basic 
allowance for housing is calculated.
    I am inspired every single day by the service's focus on 
improving the quality of life for our Coast Guard families here 
in the Ninth District and across our Nation. Admiral Fagan and 
I are committed to fostering a culture where our members feel 
trusted, valued, empowered, and included.
    The Coast Guard will need Congressional assistance to 
ensure we continue to improve. I am humbled to have the 
privilege to serve with and represent our Sentinels here today, 
and I am grateful for your support. Thank you and I look 
forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Jones follows:]

          Prepared Statement of Master Chief Heath B. Jones, 
              Master Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Introduction
    Chair Baldwin, Ranking Member Sullivan, and distinguished members 
of the subcommittee, I appreciate the opportunity to testify today and 
echo the Commandant's appreciation for your enduring support of the 
United States Coast Guard. I would like to personally thank each of you 
for your unwavering support of our workforce here in the Great Lakes 
and everywhere your Coast Guard serves. Throughout my career, I have 
been fortunate to serve alongside members of the most capable and 
dedicated workforce in the U.S. Government, and I am thankful for the 
privilege to discuss their needs with you today.
    As America's maritime first responder, the Coast Guard is woven 
into communities across the Great Lakes, along the Pacific, Atlantic, 
Arctic, and Gulf Coasts, and throughout our inland rivers. I am proud 
of the ways we contribute to national security and prosperity: we 
rescue mariners in distress, protect vital marine natural resources, 
break ice to facilitate commerce, inspect ships to verify safety and 
pollution controls, deliver aid after disasters, mark navigable 
waterways to keep mariners safe from hazards, secure our ports and 
harbors, and interdict illegal drugs far from our shores. Across these 
Lakes, in the ports, on the seas, throughout cyberspace, and around the 
globe, we are the world's premier maritime Service, positioned to 
protect, defend, and save. I am extremely proud of our Coast Guard 
Active Duty, Reserve, Civilian, and Auxiliary workforce and humbled to 
serve as their Senior Enlisted Leader. The Coast Guard workforce 
delivers when called upon.
Workforce
    The Coast Guard workforce is the heart and soul of our 
organization, and their dedication and sacrifices keep our Nation safe 
and secure. These Sentinels have the right to a safe workplace, free 
from harassment, bullying, retaliation, and assault. They deserve 
nothing less, and the Coast Guard leadership team is committed to 
strengthening our Service culture to achieve this end.
    Every day, the Coast Guard workforce in the Ninth District puts 
themselves at risk to protect our natural resources, defend our 
maritime transportation system, and save lives. For those who serve 
here and everywhere I am committed to modernizing our talent management 
system so that we can best recruit and retain Sentinels in the 21st 
century. The Coast Guard workforce must reflect the American public we 
serve and requires the tools, policy, training, and support to succeed 
across all our mission areas. As we expand our reach and capabilities, 
we are committed to enhancing support structures to ensure the well-
being and effectiveness of our workforce.
    Those joining our Service today have new expectations, and we are 
taking this to heart as we adjust how we recruit, train, and retain 
them and their families. We must expand access to high-quality physical 
and mental healthcare, childcare, and affordable housing especially for 
units in idyllic, close-knit, but often high cost, communities. We 
continue to revisit policies that prevent otherwise qualified 
applicants from beginning their careers, and we are implementing policy 
changes designed to retain the best our Nation has to offer. Similarly, 
we are pursuing new training designs focused on meaningful learning, 
both in classrooms and in the field. I am committed to pursuing this 
necessary, transformational work.
Infrastructure
    Investing in the workforce means providing modern working, living 
and training facilities. Coast Guard facilities must be functional and 
resilient enough to meet both daily and emergent mission demands. The 
Nation's reliance on the Coast Guard as a first responder after natural 
disasters underscores the importance of resilient facilities to all our 
operations. Based on the nature of our missions, Coast Guard facilities 
are in areas prone to hurricanes, flooding, earthquakes, deadly 
wildfires, and other natural disasters. Your support for a stable, 
predictable budget and continued investments in modernizing facilities 
and infrastructure are crucial for our mission readiness, 
effectiveness, and success.
    Housing is a concern for our Sentinels and their families. All 
servicemembers and their dependents deserve access to safe, quality, 
and affordable housing within a reasonable commute of their workplace. 
Unlike the other Armed Services whose workforce is often centralized 
around large military bases, many Coast Guard personnel are stationed 
in small communities across the country. Forty percent of Coast Guard 
units are in small coastal communities or areas with a high percentage 
of vacation rentals. Many of those units are located right here in the 
Ninth District. While these amazing communities are supportive of their 
Coast Guard, many members struggle to find affordable and available 
housing in the areas where they serve. We monitor locations that are 
often impacted by short-term rental markets and are working to provide 
additional housing options and resources to members here in the Ninth 
District and across the Service. In locations such as Sault St. Marie, 
Michigan; Neah Bay, Washington; and Jonesport, Maine, the Service 
provides Coast Guard-owned family-type housing for members with 
dependents to supplement rentals in the communities.
    We are currently exploring ten Department of Defense (DoD) housing 
authorities that could potentially benefit the Service and our families 
and we continue to participate in processes that contribute to how 
Basic Allowance for Housing is calculated. I look forward to the 
results of the 14th Quadrennial Review of Military Compensation and the 
recommended changes to Basic Pay and housing allowances to better 
support our Sentinels and their families in these areas.
    A modernized approach to project planning, prioritizing, and 
execution coupled with additional investments is necessary to ensure 
the Service has the facilities we need to meet the operational demands 
of a recapitalized fleet. We must proceed with diligence, as this work 
will provide the future facilities to meet the needs of Sentinels for 
generations to come.
Healthcare
    Healthcare is a pillar of the Armed Services quality-of-life 
benefit system. When I visit cutter and shore commands, I hear the same 
concerns from our Sentinels and families about timely access to 
healthcare in close proximity to where they live and work. Acceptable, 
consistent, available, and timely healthcare for our service members is 
the minimum standard. Access to quality healthcare, mental and 
physical, is one of the most important issues affecting Coast Guard 
families today. The Coast Guard is unique among the Armed Services in 
that our mission set often dictates that a very high percentage of our 
workforce is geographically dispersed, sometimes at very small commands 
like our units along Great Lakes coastlines.
    Coast Guard families often find themselves spending days to 
identify and access healthcare providers within Tricare's network to 
obtain specialty care when there is a shortage of local doctors and 
practitioners participating in the system. To mitigate this challenge, 
the Service is leveraging and expanding telehealth capabilities to 
provide medical care to members in remote locations. However, 
additional support is critical to meet the needs of our Coast Guard 
families. The Coast Guard needs the support of local health 
institutions and practitioners, and community leaders, to address these 
critical support services in remote locations.
    In FY 2023, the Service released the Coast Guard Behavioral Health 
Playbook, which provides supervisors and command leadership with tools, 
guidance, and tips to respond sensitively, professionally, and 
respectfully to behavioral health concerns. The Service is committed to 
supporting clinical resources and full-time, permanently staffed 
positions to meet deployment and readiness demands. We must ensure 
members have timely access to high quality health care.
Childcare
    Access to childcare is a significant concern of our workforce and 
impacts our ability to recruit and retain. This is not just a Coast 
Guard or military issue, and shortages have a direct impact on the 
readiness of our units. High childcare costs impact our workforce 
across the Nation, particularly here in the Ninth District and other 
areas without the large bases that allow access to DoD or Coast Guard 
Child Development Centers. We have found that in some areas, childcare 
subsidies can minimize financial burdens, increase accessible options, 
reduce significant stressors, and improve the quality of life for our 
Coast Guard families. Your continuing support of these subsidies is 
vital to ensuring our workforce and their families are supported and 
able to continue to meet the Coast Guard's mission.
Conclusion
    I am inspired by the Service's focus on improving the quality of 
life for our Coast Guard families here in the Ninth District and across 
the Service. Change in Coast Guard policy can only move the needle so 
far for our workforce. The Service appreciates the continued support of 
Congressional assistance to ensure we can continue to make 
improvements. I am humbled to have the privilege to serve with and 
represent our Sentinels and am grateful for your support.

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Next we have Admiral Hickey.

STATEMENT OF REAR ADMIRAL JONATHAN P. HICKEY, COMMANDER, NINTH 
                   DISTRICT, U.S. COAST GUARD

    Admiral Hickey. Good morning, Chair Baldwin. I am honored 
to be here today to represent our workforce of your Coast 
Guard's Ninth District and discuss Coast Guard operations on 
the Great Lakes and their importance to our economic prosperity 
and our national security.
    Thank you for accepting my testimony and my written 
testimony into the record. The Ninth District is responsible 
for a vast area of operations, covering 94,000 mi\2\ with 
coastline spanning the distance equivalent to the Atlantic 
coastline from Maine to Florida.
    Nearly 2,500 active duty, civilian, and reserve personnel, 
alongside 2,000 Coast Guard auxiliaries, operate from 73 Coast 
Guard units, including 10 Coast Guard cutters across the Great 
Lakes to facilitate this region's safe, secure, and robust 
marine transportation system. The Ninth District's fleet of 
cutters is central to our mission success.
    Annually, nine cutters participate in icebreaking to keep 
commerce moving through the winter months. Although these 
cutters focus on icebreaking in the winter, they are employed 
year round.
    On an annual basis, they provide nearly 18,000 hours of 
service to the Great Lakes across all mission sets, including 
aids to navigation, search and rescue, participating in 
interagency drills and exercises, supporting major marine 
events, and providing law enforcement support to significant 
events such as the national conventions being held this summer 
in Michigan--I am sorry, in Milwaukee and Chicago.
    The cutters can be stressed in winter months, particularly 
when a casualty occurs because timeliness matters when you are 
breaking ice. Delays in freeing a commercial ship beset by ice 
or providing flood control to coastal communities can have 
catastrophic consequences.
    We absolutely must provide the proper level of service at 
the right time. Any unscheduled maintenance or long lead times 
for parts puts strain on our crews to find ways to perform 
their assigned missions. Sustaining this fleet is critical to 
meeting mission demands today and into the future.
    As the operational commander for the Great Lakes, I 
strongly support the service's pursuit of another heavy 
domestic icebreaker to meet our mission needs across the Great 
Lakes. Our crews who operate and sustain this fleet and the 
total workforce here in the Ninth District are essential to 
mission success.
    The uniqueness of the Great Lakes and where our units are 
located creates challenges to obtain timely medical care, 
including dental, mental, and behavioral health, often 
requiring long appointment wait times and significant travel 
times.
    Additionally, since many of our stations and cutters are 
located along the Great Lakes shoreline and highly popular 
recreational destinations, access to adequate and affordable 
housing within a reasonable commute to work is a stressor for 
many of our members. These challenges can impact individual and 
operational readiness, family well-being, and retention.
    In January 2024, the Ninth District released the first ever 
Great Lakes Maritime Strategy Action Plan, which will focus our 
efforts on our highest priorities over the next 12 to 24 
months. A key part of this plan is to bolster the readiness and 
resiliency of our workforce, including actions to strengthen 
our service culture and to improve access to health care, 
childcare, and affordable housing for our members and their 
families.
    Like the Commandant and MCPOCG said, I am also so proud of 
our Coast Guard workforce in the Ninth District. They are 
devoted every single day to ensuring and safeguarding the Great 
Lakes Marine transportation system, ensuring the safety of 
those who rely on the lakes for their livelihoods and 
recreation, and delivering Coast Guard services and new ways to 
meet future challenges.
    I would like to close by thanking the Committee for your 
continued support. It is absolutely essential to our continued 
success. Thank you, Senator, and I look forward to your 
questions.
    [The prepared statement of Admiral Hickey follows:]

   Prepared Statement of Rear Admiral Jonathan P. Hickey, Commander, 
                    Ninth District, U.S. Coast Guard
Introduction
    Chair Baldwin, Ranking Member Sullivan, and distinguished Members 
of the Subcommittee, thank you for inviting me to testify and for your 
continuing support of the United States Coast Guard. As the Ninth 
District Commander, I am excited to discuss Great Lakes operations 
including domestic icebreaking, and to highlight examples of our recent 
successes and our ongoing efforts to advance mission excellence. The 
Sentinels of the Ninth District are committed to overcoming challenges 
so that we can continue to assure mission execution across the 
economic, strategic, and culturally significant maritime environment 
throughout the Great Lakes.
    The Ninth District is responsible for a vast area of operations, 
covering 94,000 square miles with coastlines spanning a distance 
equivalent to the Atlantic coastline from Maine to Florida. This 
immense footprint requires a talented and dispersed workforce to 
provide the services needed to facilitate this region's safe, secure, 
and robust Marine Transportation System (MTS). Nearly 2,500 Active 
Duty, Civilian, and Reserve personnel and 2,000 Coast Guard 
Auxiliarists operate from four Sectors, two Air Stations, 44 Small Boat 
Stations, four Marine Safety Units, two Marine Safety Detachments, 
seven Aids to Navigation Teams, and nine Coast Guard Cutters to carry 
out critical Coast Guard missions across the Great Lakes.
Ninth District Operations
    The seasonality of the Great Lakes impacts the operations and 
services provided to this region's mariners, industry, and waterways 
users. The environmental shift between ``soft and hard water'' seasons 
can be severe and is somewhat unique to this Coast Guard District, 
requiring tailored operations and specialized expertise for those who 
serve here. In Fiscal Year 2023, the Ninth District responded to 2,004 
Search and Rescue (SAR) cases, the second largest number of SAR cases 
among all Coast Guard Districts, assisting 2,457 persons, and saving 
805 lives.
    It is worth noting that while most of these rescues occurred in the 
100 days between Memorial Day and Labor Day, these figures also include 
search and rescue on ice covered waterways in the winter months. The 
Ninth District is purposefully trained for ice rescue and while overall 
SAR responses are fewer in the winter, each response is urgent and 
oftentimes more dangerous.
    The Aids to Navigation mission is also affected by seasonality, as 
the Ninth District removes and replaces 1,210 summer aids with more 
resilient ice aids in the fall to withstand Great Lakes ice coverage. 
In the spring, this process is reversed, restoring the Aids to 
Navigation constellation to best mark waterways for both commercial and 
recreational mariners. Last year, Ninth District units also conducted 
more than 7,000 vessel inspections and investigations and responded to 
401 Marine Environmental Response (pollution response) cases to protect 
the Great Lakes' sensitive environment and support the region's MTS.
    The importance of the Ninth District's fleet of cutters is 
paramount to achieving success across this unique maritime domain. 
Annually, nine cutters participate in the largest domestic icebreaking 
mission, keeping commerce moving throughout the winter months. Although 
these cutters are focused on ice breaking in the winter, they are 
employed year-around. In fact, on an annual basis, they provide nearly 
18,000 hours of service to the Great Lakes across all mission sets, 
including Icebreaking, Aids to Navigation, Search and Rescue, 
participating in interagency drills and exercises, supporting major 
marine events (e.g., substantial marine regattas), and providing law 
enforcement support to significant events (e.g., this year's National 
Football League Draft in Detroit and the Republican and Democratic 
National Conventions being held in Milwaukee and Chicago this coming 
summer).
Cutter Readiness
    Cutters and crews do an exceptional job covering this expanse of 
operations while facing challenges to meet the mission. Our system of 
approach provides icebreaking capabilities throughout the Great Lakes 
with one heavy domestic icebreaker, six 140-foot icebreakers and two 
225-foot ice-capable buoy tenders. The cutters are workhorses and 
essential to icebreaking operations; however, this system can be 
stressed in winter months when a casualty to our cutters places an 
increased strain on the others and impacts capacity to meet mission 
demands. Timeliness matters when breaking ice, as freeing a commercial 
ship beset by ice or providing flood control to coastal communities can 
have catastrophic consequences if we cannot provide the level of 
service and response time required.
    Coast Guard Cutter (CGC) Mackinaw, our sole domestic heavy 
icebreaker is a key capability, essential to our icebreaking mission, 
providing the strength needed to operate in the most challenging ice 
conditions and vital to supporting the Great Lakes commercial fleet. 
That said, unscheduled maintenance can sideline this capability. A 
second Great Lakes icebreaker, as proposed in the President's 2024 
budget, will provide much needed redundancy and capacity.
    Any unscheduled maintenance due to system failures or long-lead 
times to replace failed parts puts a strain on our crews to find ways 
to provide for waterway availability, support SAR operations, and 
perform other missions. Sustaining this fleet is critical to meeting 
mission demands and providing adequate capability and capacity for the 
future.
Great Lakes Maritime Strategy Action Plan
    As highlighted in past hearings on the Coast Guard's workforce, the 
Service faces personnel readiness challenges as a result of personnel 
shortages. Here in the Great Lakes, this is requiring more than 600 
days of temporary duty surge staffing support to safely and effectively 
operate our fleet of icebreakers. We continue to be resilient and meet 
the needs of commerce and the public due to our dedicated workforce 
which is committed to getting the mission done. This team is clearly 
our greatest asset. We recognize this, which is why we are also 
prioritizing support for our workforce.
    The uniqueness of the Great Lakes and areas where our units are 
located create challenges to obtaining timely medical care, including 
dental, mental, and behavioral health, often requiring long waits and 
significant travel to access needed services. Additionally, access to 
affordable housing within a reasonable commute to work is a stressor 
for many of our members who may struggle to find a home where their 
families can thrive in the dynamic markets of these idyllic, close-knit 
communities. These challenges can impact individual and operational 
readiness, family well-being, and retention. In January 2024, the Ninth 
District released the first-ever Great Lakes Maritime Strategy Action 
Plan, which is meant to focus our efforts on our highest priorities 
over the next 12 to 24 months. A key part of this Plan aims to bolster 
the readiness and resilience of our workforce, including actions to 
strengthen our Service culture and improve access to health care and 
affordable housing for our members and their families.
    The Action Plan will guide the Ninth District to deliver the Coast 
Guard's vital services in new ways by focusing our efforts to ensure 
preparedness for emerging threats; further strengthen partner 
cooperation and stakeholder relationships; maintain the safe, secure, 
and efficient use of the Great Lakes MTS; protect the cyberspace of the 
Great Lakes MTS; optimize mission readiness and execution; and improve 
Coast Guard facilities.
Ninth District Success
    Through the amazing work of those who serve in the Ninth District, 
operational success has been achieved and mission requirements have 
been met while remaining always ready to serve across the Great Lakes, 
including right here in Wisconsin. For example, recently our team 
executed two ice rescue cases on the same day, February 8, 2024. First, 
Coast Guard Station Sturgeon Bay and Air Station Traverse City 
supported the rescue of three people from an ice floe off Benderville, 
WI, with the New Franken Fire Department. Shortly after the rescue of 
those three lives, Station Sturgeon Bay and Air Station Traverse City 
responded to four individuals stranded on another ice floe off Bay 
Shore Park, WI. Station Sturgeon Bay successfully saved the stranded 
individuals with the support of first responders from Brown County. 
Additionally, in January 2024, Coast Guard Cutter Mobile Bay, 
homeported in Sturgeon Bay, broke a critical path through ice choked 
waters off Green Bay, ensuring three critical home heating oil 
deliveries totaling 10.5 million gallons made it to households in need.
    Recognizing the inherent risk that accompanies the intense winter 
maintenance required to sustain the domestic commercial vessel fleet 
which operates in this region, the Ninth District Coast Guard 
operational commanders established a workgroup with key agencies to 
develop procedures to mitigate hazards that may arise in this 
compressed maintenance period.
    This workgroup--the Great Lakes Marine Firefighting Task Force--
combines federal, state, local, and industry expertise to prevent and 
effectively respond to major marine fires in ports like Sturgeon Bay, 
where much of this work is done. Looking ahead, Coast Guard Sector Lake 
Michigan has a significant role in the planning for the protection of 
the 2024 Republican National Convention being held in Milwaukee this 
July and the Democratic National Convention in Chicago this August. 
Sector personnel and assets will support the interagency team across 
the convention events and will lead security for events with proximity 
to the waterfront.
Conclusion
    The Coast Guard's Ninth District workforce is devoted every day to 
safeguarding the Great Lakes MTS. They are also devoted to the safety 
of those who rely on these waters for their livelihoods and recreation, 
and to delivering Coast Guard services in new ways to meet future 
challenges.
    This team is getting the job done with the current operational 
fleet and existing facilities. The continued support of Congress to 
sustain our capabilities and provide healthcare, housing, and childcare 
services for our members and their families is critical to the long-
term success of the Coast Guard's Ninth District.

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Next we have Master Chief 
Buckman.

         STATEMENT OF MASTER CHIEF MATTHEW D. BUCKMAN,

             COMMAND MASTER CHIEF, NINTH DISTRICT,

                        U.S. COAST GUARD

    Mr. Buckman. Senator, good morning. Thank you for the 
opportunity to testify today representing the men and women of 
the Ninth Coast Guard District and thank you for accepting my 
written comment into the record.
    The Coast Guard is committed to optimizing support for our 
Sentinels and their families across the Ninth District. Our 
workforce is concerned about securing quality housing, physical 
and behavioral health care, and childcare, and we are focused 
on addressing these concerns. The seasonality of many areas 
where we operate significantly impact housing availability and 
affordability for our members.
    Many of our members rely on basic allowance for housing or 
BAH, which may not cover the full cost of housing. We have 
worked with local partners to lease and manage housing units 
where possible, but in communities where leases are 
unavailable, the difference between VA rates and market prices 
can leave families in a difficult position.
    We have initiated a Housing Action Plan as part of our 
Great Lakes Maritime Strategy Action Plan, and our goal is to 
ensure that every Coast Guard family has adequate and 
affordable housing, supporting their well-being and ability to 
serve. Investments in infrastructure are vital for enhancing 
the Coast Guard's operational performance, member satisfaction, 
unit pride, and retention.
    We are recapitalizing our Milwaukee facility and are nearly 
complete with the modernization of the Green Bay small boat 
station, which will provide a robust location for targeted 
operations. We are grateful for these investments and look 
forward to an additional $65 million, which is planned over the 
next 5 years.
    I echo Master Chief Jones's comments on access to quality 
behavioral and physical health care for our members. Timely 
health care near where our members live, and work is a concern 
expressed during unit visits. Many locations have limited 
health care options and require long commutes.
    This affects medical readiness for our Sentinels and their 
families. Childcare challenges can have a direct impact on the 
readiness of our Sentinels. Typically, members must secure 
care, utilize, and establish subsidy programs to help offset 
the cost. Without these subsidy programs, childcare can be 
prohibitively expensive for families.
    Your continuing support of these subsidies is essential to 
safeguarding the readiness of our workforce and their families. 
The district senior leadership is dedicated itself to providing 
our workforce and families the personal and professional 
resources to thrive.
    Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you and for 
all you do for the Coast Guard, included in the Ninth 
District's workforce. Their commitment to the mission is why 
the U.S. Coast Guard is world's best. I look forward to your 
questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Buckman follows:]

        Prepared Statement of Master Chief Matthew D. Buckman, 
         Command Master Chief, Ninth District, U.S. Coast Guard
Introduction
    Chair Baldwin, Ranking Member Sullivan, and distinguished 
subcommittee members. I appreciate the opportunity to testify today 
representing the Ninth District workforce to express our appreciation 
of your support for the United States Coast Guard.
    The Coast Guard's commitment in the Ninth District is to provide 
and optimize support to our members and their families. We recognize 
that work is necessary to achieve the quality of life they deserve. 
Personnel support challenges in the region are similar to those 
impacting members throughout the Service. Sufficient Basic Allowance 
for Housing (BAH) to secure a home where our families can thrive, 
timely access to physical and behavioral healthcare, and access to 
childcare are the primary concerns of the Ninth District's workforce. 
Our recently published Great Lakes Maritime Strategy and Action Plan 
will focus our efforts on providing the best individual services and 
workplaces for our members.
Housing
    Securing adequate housing is a significant concern for Coast Guard 
members, particularly in the Ninth District. Many of our units are in 
seasonal tourist destinations and areas with limited housing. Both 
factors significantly impact housing availability and affordability for 
our members. Given the limitations of Coast Guard-owned housing, our 
members often rely on BAH entitlements, which may not fully cover the 
cost of housing in these high-demand and remote areas. We have worked 
with local partners to lease and manage housing units where possible. 
In areas where leases are unavailable, the difference between BAH rates 
and market prices leave some members in a difficult position, as seen 
in places like Sturgeon Bay and Bayfield, WI.
    Recognizing these challenges, we have initiated a comprehensive 
Housing Action Plan as part of our Great Lakes Maritime Strategy. This 
plan, under the direction of Rear Admiral Hickey, aims to provide the 
best possible input to the BAH calculation process and expand the 
availability of leased housing. Our goal in the Ninth District is to 
ensure that every member has access to adequate and affordable housing, 
supporting their well-being and ability to serve. This initiative 
represents a critical step forward in addressing the unique housing 
needs of our service members, reinforcing our commitment to their 
quality of life and operational readiness.
Infrastructure
    Investments in infrastructure are vital for enhancing the Coast 
Guard's operational performance, member satisfaction, pride, and 
retention rates. Over Fiscal Years 2022 and 2023, the Coast Guard 
invested $17 million in projects that addressed emergent repairs and 
quality of life necessities here in the Ninth District. With an 
additional planned investment of $65 million over the next five years, 
the Ninth District will still carry a substantial backlog.
    Significant infrastructure challenges exist at the 18 boat stations 
constructed before 1970, with five boat stations over 100 years old. 
One of those units, Station Sturgeon Bay, was built in 1896 for the 
U.S. Lifesaving Service. Despite updates to the building over the last 
128 years, its size restricts the comfort and operational capacity for 
personnel.
    Our Strategic Action Plan in the Ninth District focuses on 
infrastructure investments to enhance our members' mission readiness 
and the quality of life. Following feedback from our station Officers 
in Charge, the Ninth District has allocated funding to install boat 
maintenance sheds at 10 stations, addressing winter protection needs 
for our response boats--a measure expected to improve mission readiness 
and crew comfort significantly. In Wisconsin, our focus is on 
recapitalizing Sector Lake Michigan's facility in Milwaukee to address 
space and utility shortcomings. Additionally, modernization of the 
Green Bay Station is nearly complete. The modernization will provide a 
robust location for targeted operations, signaling a step forward in 
operational capacity and resilience for the upcoming boating season.
Healthcare and Childcare
    Timely healthcare near where our members live and work is a concern 
commonly expressed during unit visits. Many locations in the region 
have limited healthcare options and require long commutes to obtain 
care. This challenge affects medical readiness for our members as well 
as their families. To address medical readiness, we have leveraged a 
contract with Quality Timeliness Customer Service Medical Services to 
organize focused geographic readiness events to complete annual health 
assessments and provide limited dental care. While this allows us to 
better assess the health readiness of our members, more work is needed 
to address long-term care and care for dependents. Mental health 
providers are also in high demand everywhere, including many 
communities where our members are assigned. Undertreated mental 
wellness can have crippling effects on members that may, in turn, 
impact operational readiness and families. Mental telehealth services 
such as Telemynd and CGSUPRT service have increased access, and I thank 
you for the support provided to care for Coast Guard families. I echo 
Master Chief Jones' request for community and provider support to 
achieve the quality physical and mental care our Coast Guard families 
deserve.
    Childcare challenges have a direct impact on the readiness of Ninth 
District units. Typically, members must secure individual care 
utilizing the established subsidy program to help offset the cost. Were 
it not for this subsidy program, quality childcare can be prohibitively 
expensive and unattainable for our members. Your continuing support of 
these subsidies is essential to safeguarding the readiness of our 
workforce and their families.
Conclusion
    The Ninth District's senior leadership dedicates itself to 
providing our members the personal and professional resources to thrive 
and provide the best service to the Great Lakes and Nation.
    Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you and for all you 
do for the Coast Guard, including the Ninth District's workforce. Our 
Sentinels are committed to the mission, are impressively talented, and 
are why the U.S. Coast Guard is the world's best.

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Thank you all for your opening 
statements. As we all know, the primary purpose of this hearing 
is to discuss the economic importance of icebreaking on the 
Great Lakes.
    But before I turn to that topic, I must acknowledge that we 
still have much work to be done to achieve accountability for 
survivors of sexual assault and sexual harassment in the Coast 
Guard. The Commandant proactively raised this urgent issue in 
her opening statement.
    Since July, I have been pursuing accountability within the 
Coast Guard and the Department of Homeland Security regarding 
the disturbing revelations that Coast Guard leaders withheld 
important information from Congress, both during and after the 
conclusion of an investigation known as Operation Fouled 
Anchor, which concerned the Coast Guard Academy.
    Disturbingly, we continue to hear accounts of Coast Guard 
leaders failing to take appropriate action to support survivors 
and hold perpetrators of sexual violence and misconduct 
accountable.
    Two weeks ago, as documents are coming out, we learned 
another alarming revelation, and that was that senior Coast 
Guard leaders made an intentional decision to withhold 
important information from Congress.
    In fact, there was even a drafted list of the pros and cons 
of briefing Congress on the Coast Guard's internal 
investigation of sexual assault cases at the Academy. Leaders 
at the highest levels of the Coast Guard made the deliberate 
decision to withhold the existence of Operation Fouled Anchor 
from the Committee, from the public, and from survivors.
    This is unacceptable and I am appalled by this damaging, 
unethical, and potentially criminal behavior. Admiral Fagan, 
can you confirm that you do not tolerate this type of behavior 
within your command, and that you and members of your staff do 
not select items of information to deliberately withhold from 
Congress?
    Admiral Fagan. Thank you, Senator. I can 100 percent affirm 
that I am fully committed to transparency and understand the 
criticality of the oversight role of the Senate and Congress. 
We have been responsive to the request for information. I am 
committed to supporting and being responsive to the IG 
investigation that is ongoing.
    And as we continue to provide information and ensure, 
again, that the appropriate oversight role is being fulfilled, 
I am 100 percent focused on moving the organization forward so 
that we are a better organization on the other side of this, 
and that we are in a position to not fail victims and ensure 
that we continue to improve and live to the values that we 
ascribe to and value, and that every day everyone experiences a 
service culture that is consistent with honor and respect.
    And I am committed to the oversight process and the IG 
report. Thank you, Senator.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. And at our hearing in July, you 
stated your commitment to transparency and achieving that full 
accountability. Will you reaffirm that commitment?
    Admiral Fagan. Yes, I affirm that commitment to 
transparency and accountability.
    Senator Baldwin. All right. Thank you. Master Chief Jones, 
I am similarly concerned that what we have learned about the 
pervasive pattern of the Coast Guard failing to hold 
perpetrators of sexual misconduct accountable also affects our 
enlisted service members and at the Cape May Coast Guard 
Training Center, as distinct from the Academy, and throughout 
the service.
    So, will you also commit to working with this committee to 
achieve full accountability and a lasting, positive cultural 
change?
    Mr. Jones. Thank you for the question, Senator. Absolutely, 
100 percent committed to every--not only at every session 
point, every training center in our Coast Guard, but every unit 
in our Coast Guard.
    100 percent committed to the work that is necessary to 
ensure that every member of our organization has that work 
environment where they are trusted, valued, empowered, and safe 
to do the great work of our Nation.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. I would like to now move 
forward with our discussion on the status and composition of 
the domestic icebreaking fleet.
    Admiral Fagan, over the past 6 years, Congress has 
appropriated $20 million for the acquisition of a new Great 
Lakes heavy icebreaker. How much of those funds have been 
expended to date and on what activities?
    And if any funding remains, what is the current timeline 
and spend plan?
    Admiral Fagan. Thank you. Thanks, Senator. And so, I don't 
have the exact figure of what funds may remain. We will be 
happy to provide that to you.
    But I can talk about, of the funding we have received 
starting in Fiscal Year 2019, up and through our current Fiscal 
Year 2024 President budget request for $55 million to continue 
to advance procurement and can talk to what we have done with 
the money that has so far been provided.
    From 2019 to 2021, we had $9 million that were appropriated 
in survey and design work. We have been conducting ice model 
testing, indicative design development, a home port feasibility 
study, and other pre-acquisition activities. Additionally, in 
2022, there was $5.5 million appropriated.
    We have staffed a program management office to continue to 
conduct pre-acquisition activities. And we are ready, should we 
receive the $55 million appropriation, to continue to execute 
on the work necessary to move toward the next step in 
acquisition development.
    And, you know, once we begin that acquisition development 
in earnest, it moves you toward a request for proposals, 
lifecycle cost estimates or, you know, the multiple steps that 
go with a complicated acquisition such as a heavy icebreaker 
for the Great Lakes. I look forward to an appropriation.
    We are committed to that work. We are committed to fielding 
a second heavy icebreaker. And, again, we are postured and 
poised, as appropriations come forward, to take those next 
steps, Senator.
    Senator Baldwin. Great. As mentioned, I worked to secure 
the Coast Guard's request for $55 million in the Fiscal Year 
2024 Appropriations bill for the acquisition of the Great Lakes 
icebreaker.
    Once a final budget is passed, which I hope will be very, 
very soon, to what extent will the $55 million advance 
acquisition of the icebreaker?
    Admiral Fagan. And as you are aware and the audience I am 
sure is aware, the acquisition of a major asset such as the 
heavy icebreaker, needs to be done in accordance with Federal 
acquisitions.
    So, there are multiple steps. And as money is appropriated, 
we will continue to step through the process. And the $55 
million in the Fiscal Year 2024 budget request, along with the 
$20 million in the unfunded priority list, would fund program 
activities associated with the analyze and select phase, allow 
us to move toward release of a request for proposal, and 
continue to prepare the program toward award long lead time 
materials.
    You know, each of those are discrete decisions. They do 
take time to develop, but the money will enable us to continue 
down the timeline and process that results in a heavy 
icebreaker on the other side of it.
    Senator Baldwin. And you just mentioned the unfunded 
priorities. What funding or legislative actions from Congress 
would help speed up the Coast Guard's acquisition timeline of 
10 years after appropriation?
    Admiral Fagan. Yes. So, we are bound by the Federal 
acquisition rules and requirements, and each one of those, you 
know, requires time, due diligence to ensure that we have done 
the appropriate development, requirements development, and 
understanding the capabilities and technology that, that is 
there and available.
    And as we continue to move through the phases and 
acquisition and design, we will continue to work with the 
Committee and Congress to see if we can speed that time. 
Building ships is a complicated process and we want to make 
sure that we have got the best, most capable ship that is 
fielded, and, you know, we will continue to work deliberately 
through the process with the Committee. Thank you.
    Senator Baldwin. And when we have our second panel, I think 
we will hear time is of the essence.
    Admiral Hickey, a recent report conducted by the Government 
Accountability Office cited the Coast Guard's 2022 mission need 
statement for domestic icebreaking, that indicated that in 
addition to heavy icebreakers, the Coast Guard had a 
requirement for 11 medium icebreakers and 7 light icebreakers 
to replace the current aging fleet.
    I am encouraged that the Coast Guard is looking to replace 
these icebreakers that are over 40 years old. Can you please 
tell me how many of each of the new medium and light 
icebreaker--icebreaking vessels under this plan would be indeed 
assigned to the Great Lakes?
    Admiral Hickey. Thank you, Senator. Yes, ma'am. So, as you 
noted, we did recently complete the fleet mix analysis and 
those numbers are accurate. From the Great Lakes perspective, 
as the Commandant mentioned, we are looking at two heavy 
icebreakers, right.
    Looking forward to that acquisition of our second here. And 
then six medium icebreakers, right. We have the current fleet 
of six medium icebreakers, the 140 tugs, 140 foot tugs, that we 
recently went through the slot program.
    But those would ultimately be part of the fleet mix 
analysis going forward as well, right, as replacement of those 
eventually. And then, two buoy tending--ice capable buoy 
tenders, the two 225s.
    That is part of the system, our U.S. Coast Guard system, of 
icebreaking. So again, two heavies, six mediums, and then the 
two 225s.
    Senator Baldwin. Well, at minimum, we need to replace the 
aging 140 fleet, medium icebreakers that are here on the Great 
Lakes. Admiral Fagan, can you commit to maintaining the current 
number of assets on the Great Lakes?
    Admiral Fagan. Yes, thank you, Senator. As I said, we are 
committed to building toward that second heavy icebreaker, and 
that really is the priority and focus as we step into this 
acquisition.
    The six medium, 140 foot ship, you know, icebreakers, we 
have finished the service life extension there and are 
committed to continuing to maintain those and operating, and I 
understand how critical they are to the system of icebreakers 
here on the Great Lakes. Admiral Hickey mentioned the two 225 
ice capable, you know, buoy tending vessels.
    And that second 225, which has been going through service 
life extension, will be back into the lakes later this summer, 
and so it will be great to see that capability come back up 
into the region and be available to contribute to the system of 
icebreakers.
    And I remain committed to the system we have got here, and 
again, understand the criticality of it to the economic 
prosperity of the region and continuing to keep commerce 
flowing.
    Senator Baldwin. OK. Admiral Hickey, can you explain a 
little bit about the geography that that plan I referenced, the 
2022 mission need statement for domestic icebreaking, can you 
explain about the geography that that plan is based on?
    Is the plan's fleet mix based on the icebreaking needs of 
only the four Great Lakes Tier 1 waterways? Or does it also 
include the needs of significant Tier 2 waterways, such as the 
Port of Green Bay?
    Admiral Hickey. Yes, Senator. It accounts for the entire 
Great Lakes system. So, Tier 1 through Tier 3, Tier 4 
waterways, of course, are the privately owned. But, you know, 
that prioritization of assets is critically important, right, 
and that is something that we work on in earnest every single 
day.
    We have our ice planning conference at the start of the 
season or before the start of the season. That is with the 
Canadian Coast Guard. That is with industry. And we talk about 
that tiering system and validate that that still is the case, 
right. Those priorities hold. There are no changes.
    And then during the icebreaking season--we will hold daily 
calls sometimes, twice daily calls to ensure we target our 
assets at the most critical needs, through--you know, with and 
through our industry stakeholders to make sure we are 
accounting for what they are seeing on the waterways.
    That tiering system is critically important. It was 
developed in conjunction with industry in 2010. And really, 
that shifted the framework from a response driven framework 
where we were responding to needs that arose, to a prevention 
minded framework where we target our assets in advance toward 
those highest priority waterways.
    And those highest priorities are set by the flow of 
commerce and the susceptibility of impacts to icing. And so, we 
will continue to do that. We will continue to collaborate with 
industry on that.
    In fact, that is not a status quo, right. Status quo is the 
risk position, as the Commandant reminds us. We look at that 
every single year. In fact, we have two requests that we are 
considering right now. One from the port of Duluth. Deb DeLuca 
has submitted a request, and I had a good conversation----
    Senator Baldwin. We like to call it the Port of Superior.
    Admiral Hickey. Sorry, my bad, my bad.
    Senator Baldwin. Duluth.
    [Laughter.]
    Admiral Hickey. Know where you are, right, yes. And part of 
Duluth's--and then another one from Green Bay that just came 
in. I haven't had a chance to talk to the director yet, but we 
are going to do that and will assess that on an ongoing basis. 
Thanks, Senator.
    Senator Baldwin. I am going to focus a little bit more 
about this, Admiral Hickey.
    The Coast Guard designates waterways that connect the Great 
Lakes as Tier 1, meaning they get priority when it comes to 
allocation of Coast Guard icebreaking assets. And both the Port 
of Green Bay and the Port of Superior, Duluth, ship commodities 
that are critical to the economy and to the livability of the 
region, including fuel and agricultural projects--products.
    Nevertheless, these ports receive a Tier 2 designation, 
meaning that they have to wait, and often as I have heard 
feedback, a lengthy amount of time to receive Coast Guard 
icebreaking services.
    The Coast Guard's own icebreaking plan acknowledges that 
some of the major Tier 1 waterways depend upon Tier 2 waterways 
that connect them for commerce. What will it take to meet both 
Tier 1 and Tier 2 icebreaking needs?
    Admiral Hickey. Yes, Senator. So, I think the team, as I 
described how they prioritize the resources and the activities, 
does generally a great job of accomplishing that and meeting 
the requirements and our performance standards in a typical ice 
year, right.
    Where we have challenges is in those severe years. You 
mentioned 2014, 2015, and 2018 most recently. So, we have been 
challenged to meet those performance standards, and quite 
honestly, we have fallen short in those years.
    The acquisition of that second heavy icebreaker is going to 
be a game changer in meeting those performance requirements in 
those severe ice years.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. I want to pivot to what I think 
we all acknowledge is the most important asset that the Coast 
Guard has. And that is, the Coast Guard people, right. And so, 
sticking with you, Admiral Hickey, the Coast Guard has faced a 
recruiting shortfall for years. How is this shortfall affecting 
operations on the Great Lakes?
    Admiral Hickey. Yes, Senator. So, you are aware, we are in 
one of our most challenging personnel shortages situation, 
certainly in my 34 year affiliation with the service, and that 
has manifested itself right here in D-9.
    There is--we are 10 percent short across the enlisted 
workforce, but it is more acute than that in our critical 
ratings at our boat forces units, like our boatswain's mates, 
our electrician mates, our machinist mates.
    And so, what that has forced us to do collectively across 
the service is reassess our force alignment. And we have a 
force alignment initiative across the service to prioritize our 
assets to meet our most important mission requirements.
    And certainly, top on that list is safety of life at sea, 
search and rescue. And so, what we have done across the service 
and here in Dunedin, and if we bring it home to Wisconsin in a 
second here, we have consolidated our resources at certain 
operational centers so that we can best effect readiness and 
response across the entire AOR, area of responsibility.
    And so, what that means here in Wisconsin is there are 
three seasonal small boat stations that you are aware of, 
ma'am, Green Bay, Station Washington Island, and two rivers 
that we will operate as forward operating locations so we will 
not have a B zero asset, or, you know, immediate response 
manned 24/7 there, but we will be able to cover those AORs from 
their parent stations by focusing the resources there.
    Similarly, but differently, we have Station Kenosha, which 
is not a seasonal station, that we are reducing manning on so 
that we can focus resources in adjacent stations, in Milwaukee 
and Chicago.
    And because there is redundancies built into the system, 
right, and those response capabilities at those locations and 
with our air stations have complete overlap of that station's 
AOR, we are able to meet mission requirements at Station 
Kenosha, again, without a P0 24/7.
    We will do a 40 hour a week response posture there where we 
schedule those based on risk, right, and operational demand.
    Senator Baldwin. Master Chief Jones, the top issue that I 
hear from Coast Guard families are about access to housing, 
access to quality medical care, and access to childcare. We 
have worked together to expand access to childcare, as was 
referenced.
    Signed into law as part of the National Defense 
Authorization Act, I secured a provision that would allow for 
discounts at child development centers for service members with 
more than one child enrolled, as well as a childcare subsidy 
program.
    I understand that challenges still exist, due to a lack of 
availability in many local communities. Can you please provide 
me with a status update on the childcare subsidy program and 
any additional suggestions that you have to improve access for 
families?
    Mr. Jones. Thank you, Senator. And you are absolutely 100 
percent correct. That is the top things that are on the minds 
of our workforce, which is a--my major focus is on that 
retention piece and that is a part of retention. If our 
families love serving the Coast Guard, they are going to stay.
    So, we have got to get these things right. And with the 
efforts of Congress, we truly appreciate the ability now to 
make those childcare subsidies directly payable to families, to 
the members, so that--and we are going to have that complete by 
mid-summer this year where we are going to be to execute that.
    That is going to give a lot of flexibility to the families 
to determine what childcare works best for them on their 
schedule. And we, both the feedback that we get both through my 
office, through our ombudsman at large and the ombudsman 
network, is that this is just a home run in that area, so we 
are really looking forward to that flexibility and continued 
growth into the subsidy program.
    Senator Baldwin. Yes. And I would note on both housing and 
childcare, these are issues beyond the scope of the Coast 
Guard.
    We have significant challenges in the State of Wisconsin 
about the availability and affordability of childcare and 
housing. But moving to housing, I am concerned that the Coast 
Guard hasn't made the same progress on housing that we have 
seen incrementally in the childcare arena.
    Admiral Fagan, I don't know if you recall, when we were 
visiting together at the Sturgeon Bay Station and had an 
opportunity to informally interact with the folks there, there 
was one single mom who talked about being assigned to Sturgeon 
Bay fortunately in good weather and started at a campground 
with her children as she was looking for affordable housing.
    She whispered that her kids actually loved it and thought 
it would be great to always stay there, but they hadn't seen 
winter yet. So, but that really stuck with me. I have never 
really forgotten that story.
    So, I am concerned again that the Coast Guard hasn't made 
the same progress on housing. What can we do to improve access 
to housing for Coast Guard families? First of all, sort of, 
give me the national picture, and then we will drill down a 
little bit.
    Admiral Fagan. No, thank you, Senator. I do recall. I do 
recall that conversation quite vividly. And as you have, 
pointed out, there is a housing challenge in Wisconsin, but it 
is--there is a housing challenge across the Nation.
    And so, let me--I will answer the question from a macro 
view, and then perhaps if you would indulge, Admiral Hickey, 
talk specifically about some of the--some of what we are doing 
here. So, as the Master Chief alluded to, housing and access to 
affordable housing is a stressor for our workforce writ large. 
Availability of adequate housing at a price that can be 
afforded at the housing rates are really paramount challenges.
    And so, one thing is ensuring that the adjustable housing 
rates that members are entitled to and paid, that they keep 
pace with the changing, cost dynamics and drivers across the 
country.
    The larger challenge and the more difficult one is actual 
housing availability. In some locations, and I will use 
Newport, Rhode Island, as an example, it is a tourist seasonal 
community, and people had been listing homes on Airbnb, which 
made them not available for members.
    The political leadership there passed legislation to limit 
how many days it could be listed on Airbnb and eased, you know, 
eased the housing dilemma there. In other words, more housing 
was available. We are not a garrison force. We are not--we 
don't retreat on a big bases.
    And so, where there are big bases, access to military 
housing is helpful. I happen to live in a military housing 
community, but diversified access, so adequate money, housing 
availability, leasing and availability, opportunities to lease 
housing, you know, Government, Coast Guard option leases to 
provide access availability and reliability for our workforce 
really become all part of the equation that helps ease the 
stressors of housing availability.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. So, Master Chief Jones, the 
Coast Guard has broad leasing authority. In fact, in some 
places, the Coast Guard is leasing housing for junior members 
and their families instead of asking those members to find 
housing on their own. Is the Coast Guard considering expanding 
the use of these lease programs to help fill the critical 
housing gaps that we are seeing?
    Mr. Jones. Yes. Thank you, Senator. And yes, ma'am, as the 
Commandant said, I will speak from a macro level, and then if 
Master Chief Buckman and Admiral Hickey want to talk about----
    Senator Baldwin. Oh, he is next.
    Mr. Jones.--specifically the Ninth District. So, in the 
housing program, as they will speak to, over half of the 
Government leases that the Coast Guard runs are here in the 
Ninth District. We have done a lot of work over the last couple 
years to really expand the authorities that we have in the 
Government lease program to push that out.
    Yet to be determined if we think that there may be some 
authorities that we would need, that we would have to seek help 
from Congress on. If we do discover we need that, we will 
absolutely let you know immediately.
    But we are really pushing out there big time into the 
Government lease program. I have several points through my 
career, my wife and children and I had--took the Government 
lease option, and it really is a burden relief because a 
Government lease also covers the electricity, the bills like 
that, and really takes those things that you don't always think 
of into account.
    Senator Baldwin. Great. Master Chief Buckman, I have heard 
a lot about access to housing challenges facing Wisconsin Coast 
Guard families. So, what is the Coast Guard in this region 
doing to address these concerns? And I will have some more 
specific follow-ups.
    Mr. Buckman. Yes, ma'am, thank you. We are doing quite a 
bit, as I mentioned in my opening comments. We started the 
Housing Action Plan, which is being run out of Base Cleveland.
    We have our area housing officer there who is just a real 
whiz at the lease program, and he claims 100 percent success in 
establishing leases, so we have accepted that challenge and we 
are really leaning in to get more leases. We also hired 
recently a local housing officer based out of Milwaukee who is 
responsible for this whole area. We have quite a few leased 
houses in the area.
    So, every time I and Admiral Hickey go out and visit units, 
we are really promoting that idea because there is a lack of 
awareness of how the program works, so we are really trying to 
advertise it. We are also leveraging our Coast Guard 
Auxiliarists, who we found have real estate skills and 
backgrounds, to be a force multiplier for us to find those 
leases that we have been able to find on our own.
    Senator Baldwin. Pivoting--thank you, Master Chief. 
Pivoting to access to medical care and especially specialty 
care such as pediatrics, obstetrics, and behavioral health 
care, tell me a little bit about how the district identifies, 
tracks, and works to improve access to medical care here in 
Wisconsin and across the Great Lakes region?
    Mr. Buckman. Yes, ma'am. We--so specialty care is not 
something I have heard a bit concerned about. Primary care is 
generally the biggest burden. Once our members are able to get 
into a primary care provider, the referrals for specialty care 
seem to be a little bit easier for them. So, we are working 
with Tricare, and I know MCPOCG is pushing a lot of initiatives 
to increase capacity and access to either in-network providers 
or waivers go out of network.
    Senator Baldwin. All right. And can you also share any 
additional quality of life concerns that you have and any 
recommendations that you have for better supporting our Coast 
Guard members stationed in the Great Lakes?
    Mr. Buckman. I think we are doing a lot, actually. We are 
excited where Commandant and MCPOCG are taking in the 
organization, making it easier to Coast Guard, as Commandant 
likes to say, is a good phrase for us.
    Some of the traditional military talent management rules 
were really turning around. For example, typically, if a member 
advanced in pay grade, that would mean they would have to pick 
up and move even if they just got to their new unit. So, we 
have allowed them to decline advancement with no penalty.
    So, no harm, no foul. They can stay where they are at, let 
their families be established. Billet banding is another 
initiative that we brought online where even if you do advance, 
you can stay in the same position and not necessarily have to 
move right away. So, we are really doing some creative stuff, 
and it has really--we are seeing some impact across the 
district.
    Senator Baldwin. Great. Thank you, Mr. Chief. Admiral 
Fagan, this committee is waiting eagerly to receive several 
submissions from the Coast Guard, including a housing plan, as 
well as a strategy for supporting service members at remote 
duty stations.
    So, will you ensure that those are provided as soon as 
possible, and will you include an assessment of any statutes or 
policies in place under the Department of Defense that may also 
be beneficial to the members of our Coast Guard?
    Admiral Fagan. Thank you, Senator. I am committed to 
delivering that housing plan and remote duty station 
assessment. As I said, in general, housing is a challenge 
nationwide. It takes a slightly different flavor or perspective 
depending on the specific community you are living in.
    But ensuring that we have got the right authorities and 
right resourcing for our Coast Guard members and their families 
to access adequate housing is a key priority. We can't do the 
work that we do if we don't have that reliable access to 
housing, and I appreciate your support and committed to 
delivering the report. Thank you, Senator.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. So that concludes the round of 
questions for our first panel. I am going to suggest we take a 
five-minute break before bringing the next panel up. But again, 
I thank you for your presence and your testimony, and the work 
we will continue to do together.
    So, with that, we will take a 5-minute pause.
    [The Committee is in a short recess.]
    Senator Baldwin. The second panel of our hearing on ``The 
Importance of Great Lakes Icebreaking to the Regional 
Economy,'' and I want to again thank our second panel of 
witnesses for being here today. I will briefly introduce the 
witnesses and then we will offer each of them the opportunity 
to give 5 minute oral testimony.
    You are welcomed to submit a longer written statement, 
should you wish. Dean Haen is the Director of the Brown County 
Port and Resource Recovery Department. He has held this 
position since 2011 and has a wealth of professional experience 
in this area, serving on a number of boards and associations, 
including the Great Lakes Commission, American Great Lakes 
Ports Association Board, the Green Bay Area Chamber of 
Commerce, and the Wisconsin Transportation Association.
    Ken Przybyla is the Vice President of Operations at GLC 
Minerals, a family owned company that has over 150 years of 
history on the waterways in and around Green Bay. Mr. Przybyla 
also has experience as a plant manager and mine manager.
    Jim Weakley has been the President of the Great Lakes 
Carriers Association since 2003. He also serves on the Great 
Lakes Commission and on the Board of Directors for America's 
Maritime Partnership. Jim has a long career as a Great Lakes 
vessel operator and has served in the United States Coast 
Guard.
    The witnesses will now offer their testimony, beginning 
with Mr. Haen.

  STATEMENT OF DEAN B. HAEN, DIRECTOR, BROWN COUNTY PORT AND 
                  RESOURCE RECOVERY DEPARTMENT

    Mr. Haen. Good morning and thank you for this prestigious 
opportunity to testify before the U.S. Senate Committee on 
Commerce, Science, and Transportation subcommittee. I 
appreciate the meeting being held here in Brown County, in the 
City of Green Bay and right at the Port of Green Bay.
    The topic of the importance of Great Lakes icebreaking to 
the regional economy is vitally important to me. I am Dean 
Haen. I am the Port Director at the Port of Green Bay, and 
Green Bay is the westernmost port on the Great Lakes, around 
the on Lake Michigan of the Great Lakes, offering the shortest, 
most direct route for shipments between the Midwest and the 
rest of the world.
    The port provides State of the art facilities and advocates 
for port infrastructure and safe navigation. The types of 
commodities that you see moving in and out of Green Bay 
include: limestone, cement, salt, coal, forest products, 
petroleum products which include diesel, gasoline, and ethanol 
export, liquid asphalt, gypsum, ash, slag, aluminum components 
for ship building, and project cargo.
    These are collectively valued at more than $300 million a 
year. We have a number of businesses that operate within the 
port: eight do dry bulk, four do liquid bulk, and three do 
project cargo.
    The port of Green Bay is unique in that we have a 16 mile 
channel. Three of it is in the Fox River, where there is 
actually activity happening, with 13 of it being in the bay at 
Green Bay. So, it is a 16 mile channel. The port overall has 
seen 1.7 million tons of cargo moved through the port last 
year, carried aboard 170 vessels.
    So, 300 and--or, yes, it would be 340 transits per year. 
The Port of Green Bay has and continues to be a vital part of 
our regional economy, our history, and our lives. The port 
generated $217 million in economic activity based on a study 
done in 2022, supporting 1,620 jobs with personal income 
reaching almost $42 million. This demonstrates high families 
supporting wages.
    The Port activities has also resulted in $38 million in 
local, State, and Federal taxes paid, and these taxes support 
essential services like police, fire, transportation, and 
education. As Port Director, I have watched and seen the Port 
significantly evolve over the years with the reduction in coal 
consumption and now the increased movement of petroleum 
products by water on the Great Lakes.
    Early and late icebreaking are critical to the movements of 
these petroleum products, among others, into the Port of Green 
Bay. The Port of Green Bay needs sufficient icebreaking assets 
available to move cargo, especially during the early and late 
ice season. The Bay is one of the most heavily iced ports on 
the Great Lakes, if not the most heavily ice location on the 
Great Lakes. The Port is not looking for year round service.
    We are looking for the full 9 months that we are allowed to 
operate within. Green Bay is a Tier 2 waterway, meaning that we 
are lower priority than the Tier 1 locations. The U.S. Coast 
Guard breaks Green Bay only after the Soo and the St. Marys 
River are free of ice. And, you know, Green Bay really should 
be a Tier 1 designation, just like East--every East Coast port 
is identified as.
    So, we have sent in a letter to the Coast Guard and are 
asking for that consideration. With regard to icebreaker 
investment, it is critical that we as a nation invest in the 
infrastructure that is needed to support efficient and reliable 
waterborne transportation, especially here in Wisconsin. U.S. 
Coast Guard icebreakers are critical assets and are 
particularly important to the port of Green Bay.
    Nearly every year, the U.S. heavy icebreaker MACKINAW is 
needed in Green Bay to clear the vessels leaving in Sturgeon 
Bay and then open up the Port of Green Bay. With that, the 
MACKINAW becomes a single point of failure. So, that translates 
into a risky proposition for ports, shippers, and businesses 
that need a confident and reliable maritime transportation 
system.
    In conclusion, I applaud Senator Baldwin for her continued 
advocacy for the Port of Green Bay, for this effort in securing 
new Coast Guard assets, and I applaud also the Coast Guard with 
their commitment to the Great Lakes and the Port of Green Bay, 
and I respectfully ask that the Committee continue to work with 
the Coast Guard to expedite construction, within a time-frame 
that is as short as possible, to help out the Great Lakes as a 
system.
    You know, if we have to wait 10 years for a solution, we 
may miss new opportunities, forcing American workers and the 
economy to pay the price for that delay, and I am hopeful that 
the Coast Guard District Nine considers the Great Lakes ports 
as important as ports in the Northeast of the U.S. and afford 
us the same level of service. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Haen follows:]

   Prepared Statement of Dean R. Haen, Director, Brown County Port & 
                      Resource Recovery Department
    The following testimony provides support for expedited acquisition 
of a second heavy U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) icebreaker for the Great 
Lakes and the immediate recapitalization of the 140-foot USCG 
icebreaking tugs.
    Good morning and thank you for the opportunity to testify before 
the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, & Transportation 
Subcommittee on Oceans, Fisheries, Climate Change and Manufacturing. I 
appreciate the meeting being held in Green Bay.
    The topic of ``The Importance of Great Lakes Icebreaking to the 
Regional Economy'' is of vital importance to me. I am Dean Haen, Port 
Director for the Port of Green Bay.
    The Port of Green Bay is the western-most port of Lake Michigan 
offering the shortest, most direct route for shipments between the 
Midwest and the rest of the world. The Port provides modern, state-of-
the-art facilities and advocates for port infrastructure and safe 
navigation to economically handle diverse cargo. Waterborne 
transportation is an efficient and environmentally friendly mode of 
transportation.
    The Port of Green Bay is a fundamental part of our regional 
economy, our history and our lives. It plays an important role in the 
transportation of goods and commodities that are critical to the 
economic health of the region. The Port of Green Bay receives and/or 
sends commodities as far south as Sheboygan, Wisconsin, west to Wausau, 
Wisconsin and north into the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
    Commodities typically include limestone, cement, salt, coal, forest 
products, petroleum products (diesel, gasoline and ethanol), liquid 
asphalt, gypsum, ash, slag, aluminum components, project cargo and 
other essential commodities annually valued at over $300 million. Eight 
(8) terminal operators handle dry bulk commodities such as coal, 
cement, limestone, salt, gypsum, ash and others. Four (4) terminal 
operators handle bulk liquids including tallow, petroleum products, 
chemicals and liquid asphalt. Three (3) general cargo docks are capable 
of handling machinery, aluminum components, bagged agricultural 
commodities, wood pulp and other forest products.
    The Port of Green Bay plays a vital role in providing Northeast 
Wisconsin with a natural competitive advantage for businesses to locate 
and prosper while paying good wages for families to live and thrive in 
our communities. The Port's economic impact illustrates the profound 
role the Port plays in our region and its value to both current and 
future businesses. It includes the direct jobs of dockworkers and ship 
crew members to the indirect jobs that are generated, such as equipment 
supplier jobs and jobs at office supply firms. Those who are directly 
employed use their wages, in part, to purchase goods and services in 
our community. In addition, businesses' revenue is also used to hire 
people, purchase goods and services and pay taxes, all adding up to 
make a significant contribution to our regional economy.
    The Port of Green Bay has a 13-mile outer channel leading to the 
Fox River, where 14 Port businesses span more than three miles upriver. 
The recently concluded 2023 shipping season saw 1,782,887 metric tons 
of cargo. A total of 170 vessels moved through the Port of Green Bay 
this past shipping season.
    Economic activity generated by the Port of Green Bay during 2022 
reached $217.3 million, an increase of $70 million since 2017, 
according to an economic impact study released in 2023. The report also 
points to 1,620 Wisconsin jobs supported by the Port of Green Bay, an 
increase of 331 jobs over the 2017 total. Direct personal income paid 
during 2022 reached $41.7 million. When combined with induced and 
indirect income the impact exceeded $142 million. This demonstrates 
high, family-supporting wages. Port activities also resulted in $38 
million in local, state and Federal taxes which support essential 
services like police, fire, transportation and education.
Tier 2 Designation
    As Port Director for many years, I've watched as the Port has 
changed significantly over time. Back in 2006, the Port saw 2.55 
million metric tons (mt) of coal. As the use of natural gas has 
steadily increased, coal tonnage has steadily declined to a historic 
low of just over 100,000 mt in 2023. Year-over-year coal tonnage is 
decreasing at 40 percent/year. The Port's past efforts to advocate for 
more diverse cargo movements and its adaptability have proven valuable 
and necessary.
    With the closure of the Westshore pipeline, petroleum products 
delivery by vessel continues to grow year after year. Petroleum 
products are the life blood of the economy, and marine transportation 
moves this cargo inexpensively into our region. Domestic imports of 
petroleum products have increased 81 percent and domestic exports have 
increased 34 percent, along with a return to the foreign export of 
petroleum products. Early and late ice breaking is critical to the 
movement of these petroleum products. The Port of Green Bay is not 
looking for a year round shipping season but rather sufficient USCG 
icebreaking assets available to move cargo during the early ice 
conditions before needing to shut down due to significant ice 
conditions and recreational use(s) of the bay.
    The bay is one of the most heavily iced places on the Great Lakes. 
The Port of Green Bay recognizes the recreational users of the bay 
during heavy ice conditions and is not looking for year-round service. 
Rather when recreational ice users are unable to use the mid bay ice, 
the port should stay open with ice breaker assistance to bring in these 
commodities when weather allows. For the record, I am an avid ice 
fisherman and know the Bay of Green Bay well and respect all users of 
the waters of the Great Lakes
    According to USCG District Nine, Green Bay is a Tier 2 waterway. 
That means our port is a lower priority than other waterways for 
Federal icebreaking. The USCG has and continues to provide ice breaking 
early and late in our seasons but only after the Soo Locks area is 
cleared of ice. A Tier 1 waterway designation at Green Bay would ensure 
USCG has assets available as needed to aid commercial navigation and 
would also mean delays due to ice would be measured and reported to 
Congress. Green Bay currently has two (2) terminal operators, Holcim 
and U.S. Venture, that depend on USCG ice breaking assets to keep 
commerce flowing. Both have expressed concern about USCG ice breaking 
capacity and availability to improve the movement of commerce in Green 
Bay.
Ice Breaker Investment
    As mentioned earlier, the Port of Green Bay is a vital part of our 
regional economy and plays a key role in the transportation of goods 
and commodities that are critical to the economic health of the region. 
Opportunities for growth, whether using an existing port facility or 
developing a new property, makes the port an attractive option for 
businesses but requires a healthy and dependable Great Lakes Navigation 
System (GLNS) even during the winter months.
    Ports around the Great Lakes continue to compete for cargo, 
including containerized cargo, which relieves pressure from congested 
East and West Coast ports bringing goods further into the U.S. and 
removing trucks and trains from the tightening surface transportation 
nodes and out of residential communities. It is critical that we as a 
nation invest in the infrastructure that is needed to support efficient 
and reliable waterborne transportation, especially here in Wisconsin.
    Wisconsin businesses rely on Great Lakes shipping. USCG icebreakers 
are crucial national assets that support the movement of ships here on 
the Great Lakes during the winter months. They are particularly 
important to Green Bay and not just the port but the entire bay where 
vessels transit daily between March and January.
    Unfortunately, our port and the entire Bay of Green Bay is not 
afforded a priority status for icebreaking by the USCG in the Great 
Lakes. Unlike harbors on the East Coast like Portland, Maine who the 
USCG treats with the highest levels of icebreaking service, Green Bay 
is not considered a top priority despite the fact that critical 
petroleum products move into our port regularly.
    As a member of the Great Lakes Maritime Task Force which represents 
nearly 80 organizations including port authorities, shipboard and 
shoreside labor, shipyards and terminal operators, we have sent 
numerous letters documenting the issue with the USCG's inadequate 
icebreaking fleet and begging for funding to build another heavy 
icebreaker.
    Nearly every year the USCG's only heavy icebreaker is required in 
Green Bay in order to free the vessels that depart the shipyard in 
Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin to begin the monumental task of restocking raw 
materials at facilities around the Great Lakes. The smaller 140-foot 
icebreaking tugs are often unable to break the thick lake ice that 
forms in Green Bay, which makes the MACKINAW a single point of failure 
at the start and end of our shipping season.
    That translates into a very risky business for ports and facilities 
around the Great Lakes. If shippers are not confident in a reliable 
maritime transportation system during the early and late winter months 
they will withdraw from the business and look elsewhere which would 
cripple Wisconsin exports and imports.
Conclusion
    I applaud your commitment to the Great Lakes, the U.S. shipping 
industry and the USCG. I respectfully ask that the committee continue 
to work with the USCG to expedite the construction timeline for the new 
heavy Great Lakes icebreaker. If we have to wait ten years for a 
solution, we will miss new opportunities, and American jobs and the 
economy will pay the price. I am hopeful that USCG District Nine 
considers Great Lakes ports as important as ports in the Northeast and 
will afford us the same level of service.

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Next, Mr. Przybyla.

                  STATEMENT OF KEN PRZYBYLA, 
           VICE PRESIDENT OF OPERATIONS, GLC MINERALS

    Mr. Przybyla. Good morning. Am I on? No, I am good. Good 
morning and thank you for the opportunity to testify before the 
Committee. I am Ken Przybyla, Vice President of Operations of 
GLC Minerals, one of the terminal operators in the Port of 
Green Bay.
    We are a fifth generation Green Bay area legacy business, 
founded in 1871 as Herbert Calcium and Chemical Company. 
Located on the banks of the Fox River in Green Bay, Wisconsin, 
GLC Minerals has become a leader in mineral manufacturing for 
agronomy, animal nutrition, and industrial applications 
throughout the Upper Midwest.
    GLC processes and distributes calcium carbonate, dolomite, 
and gypsum products to the agricultural users and manufacturers 
of glass, plastic, and other products. Our minerals arrive by 
boat from Great Lakes quarries in the spring and summer months 
going into fall.
    Our location in Green Bay allows for optimal transportation 
of our products to our customers across the Midwest. The port 
and our access to the Great Lakes, Saint Lawrence Seaway are 
essential to our business and the businesses we serve. We 
believe in using waterways for business. Shipping is an 
environmentally friendly, sustainable, and cost effective mode 
of transportation.
    GLC recently purchased additional land at the mouth of the 
Fox River, part of the former Pulliam Power Plant site, which 
will provide room to expand our mineral processing operations. 
The purchase will result in an additional $7.5 million 
investment by GLC over the next 5 years, creating at least 10 
new jobs.
    But to continue to grow and be successful, which includes 
reinvesting in our operations, we need to be able to ship and 
receive products for as long as possible throughout the 
shipping season. As you know, ice can form very early in the 
bay, and that directly impacts our ability to ship and receive 
commodities and products.
    And when we talk about impacts to our business, you have to 
think about the impacts that go beyond the business itself. If 
we must cut back and close our operations due to ice, it 
impacts our employees, our customers and their employees who 
are relying on our products to continue their operations.
    When the movement of goods and--when the movement of goods 
are curtailed due to ice, that directly impacts our regional 
economy. But we also need to coexist with those who use the 
waterways for recreation and tourism, and in winter this means 
ice fishing, snowmobiling, and other sports.
    We know it is not possible to have year round shipping due 
to the heavy ice in the dead of winter. We also respect those 
who want to be out on the ice for recreation during the off 
season. But with a second heavy U.S. Coast Guard icebreaker, we 
can have a longer shipping season that accommodates everyone 
and best supports our regional economy.
    This is why we support the expedited acquisition of the 
second heavy U.S. Coast Guard icebreaker for the Great Lakes 
and the immediate recapitalization of the 140 foot U.S. Coast 
Guard icebreaking tugs.
    On behalf of GLC Minerals, I thank you for coming to Green 
Bay to hear our testimony and to learn why the icebreaker is so 
important to our regional economy. And thank you very much to 
your service, U.S. Coast Guard members. Thank you, thank you, 
thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Przybyla follows:]

   Prepared Statement of Ken Przybyla, Vice President of Operations, 
                              GLC Minerals
    The following testimony provides support for expedited acquisition 
of a second heavy U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) icebreaker for the Great 
Lakes and the immediate recapitalization of the 140-foot USCG 
icebreaking tugs.
    Good morning and thank you for the opportunity to testify before 
the committee.
    I am Ken Przybyla, the Vice President of Operations for GLC 
Minerals, one of the terminal operators at the Port of Green Bay.
    We are a fifth-generation, Green Bay area legacy business--founded 
in 1871 as the Hurlbut Calcium and Chemical Company.
    Located on the banks of the Fox River in Green Bay, Wisconsin, GLC 
Minerals has become a leader in mineral manufacturing for agronomy, 
animal nutrition and industrial applications throughout the upper 
Midwest.
    GLC processes and distributes calcium carbonate, dolomite and 
gypsum products to agricultural users and manufacturers of glass, 
plastics and other products.
    Our minerals arrive by boat from Great Lakes quarries in the spring 
and summer months.
    Our location in Green Bay allows for optimal transportation of our 
products to our customers across the Midwest.
    The Port and our access to the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence Seaway are 
essential to our business and the businesses we serve.
    We believe in using waterways for business--shipping is an 
environmentally-friendly, sustainable and cost-effective mode of 
transportation.
    GLC recently purchased additional land at the mouth of the Fox 
River--part of the former Pulliam Power Plant site--which will provide 
room to expand our mineral processing operation. The purchase will 
result in an additional $7.5 million investment by GLC over the next 
five years, creating at least 10 new, full-time jobs.
    But, to continue to grow and be successful--which includes 
reinvesting in our operations--we need to be able to ship and receive 
products for as long as possible throughout the shipping season.
    As you know, ice can form very early in the bay and that directly 
impacts our ability to ship and receive commodities and product.
    And when we talk about impacts to our business, you have to think 
about impacts that go beyond the business itself.
    If we must cut back or close our operations due to ice, it impacts 
our employees, our customers, and their employees who are relying on 
our products to continue their operations.
    When the movement of goods are curtailed due to ice, it directly 
impacts our regional economy.
    But we also need to co-exist with those who use the waterways for 
recreation and tourism. And, in winter, that means ice fishing, 
snowmobiling and other sports.
    We know it is not possible to have a year-round shipping season due 
to heavy ice in the dead of winter.
    We also respect those who want to be out on the ice for recreation 
during the off-season.
    But, with a second heavy U.S. Coast Guard icebreaker, we can have a 
longer shipping season and that accommodates everyone and best supports 
our regional economy.
    That is why we support the expedited acquisition of a second heavy 
U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) icebreaker for the Great Lakes and the 
immediate recapitalization of the 140-foot USCG icebreaking tugs.
    On behalf of GLC Minerals, I thank you for coming to Green Bay to 
hear our testimony and to learn why this icebreaker is so important to 
our regional economy.

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. And, next we have Mr. Jim 
Weakley.

         STATEMENT OF JAMES H. I. WEAKLEY, PRESIDENT, 
                   LAKE CARRIERS' ASSOCIATION

    Mr. Weakley. The Lake Carriers' Association has advocated 
for Great Lakes icebreaking resources for decades and been 
stymied by inappropriate performance metrics. The Coast Guard 
claims success despite serious ice delays.
    We hired an expert in Coast Guard icebreaking who 
previously held three command positions on Great Lakes 
icebreakers and retired as the Coast Guard icebreaking program 
manager. The system annually saves consumers $3.9 billion, 
generates $26 billion in U.S. economic activity, $6 billion in 
taxes, 150,000 U.S. jobs, and $17.8 billion in wages.
    An economist estimated a $2 billion, 10,000 job loss from 
inadequate icebreaking over 10 years. Lakers have been beset 
for days awaiting the MACKINAW because of a casualty or 
scheduled maintenance. During a 2023 polar vortex, MACKINAW was 
not available due to a casualty.
    Later in 2023, MACKINAW was towed home with an electrical 
problem. During ice induced flooding in 2021, MACKINAW was not 
available. With only one heavy icebreaker or GLIB, ports, 
vessels, facilities, and homeowners feel the pain.
    A new GLIB is needed now. The Coast Guard demands 10 years 
after receiving construction funding to acquire one. The Great 
Lakes region risks another $2 billion and 10,000 jobs waiting.
    U.S. Coast Guard icebreakers lost 246 operational days 
during the 2017, 2018 ice season, and another 182 days during 
the 2018, 2019 season. Casualties are problematic in the 40 
year old, 140 foot long icebreaking tug fleet.
    When Katmai Bay's heating system failed, they operated in 
subzero temperatures with small space heaters and heavy 
clothing. Luckily, we are at historically low ice levels 
because several ice breakers, including the MACKINAW, are not 
operational.
    Supposedly the 140 Service Life Extension Program breathed 
new life. I disagree. The 1970s era engines were not replaced, 
causing stack fires and other emergency repairs. We are 
unlikely to see a 140 replacement until 2040. In 1979, the U.S. 
and Canadian Coast Guards maintained 20 ice breakers on the 
lakes, including two GLIBs. Today, they operate 11, including 
two less ice capable buoy tenders.
    The USCG measures the ability to free a beset vessel within 
24 hours in only four waterways. None of Wisconsin is in any of 
those four waterways. A vessel could literally be stuck for the 
entire winter in Green Bay. It would not count. They justified 
fewer icebreakers by lowering their level of service.
    We need to fix this, to fight for future icebreaking 
resources and to capture the impacts of the inadequate fleet. I 
appreciate Admiral Fagan's support for another GLIB. The Fiscal 
Year 2024 budget request included $55 million in construction 
funding. I believe the Coast Guard will not be honest and 
transparent. They will continue to deny the problems with the 
140s and use flawed performance metrics.
    They claimed two tugs were as capable as the old MACKINAW. 
They claim that the new MACKINAW is as capable as the old. Both 
are false. They will again claim that technology can provide a 
smaller, more capable icebreaker. Bells and whistles can't 
replace horsepower and vessel size, particularly when breaking 
a path for a 105 foot wide ice breaker--laker.
    Senator Baldwin, I applaud your commitment to the Great 
Lakes, the U.S. economy, and the United States Coast Guard. I 
fear the Coast Guard's acquisitions goals and priorities will 
supersede Congressional direction and the needs of the Great 
Lakes region. Coast Guard acquisitions has no lower priority 
than icebreaking.
    The Coast Guard outmaneuvered Congressman Obi on this. He 
was ready to fully fund a second MACKINAW under the Open 
Shipyard contract with 2008 stimulus funds. My guess is that 
they are planning to outmaneuver you as well.
    My guess is they are planning for a smaller, less capable 
icebreaker than the MACKINAW, and they will do nothing with the 
140 fleet. Unless Congress holds the Coast Guard accountable 
and forces them to do the right thing, we won't see even a less 
capable GLIB for 10 years, or a 140 replacement for 20. Thank 
you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Weakley follows:]

         Prepared Statement of James H. I. Weakley, President, 
                       Lake Carriers' Association
    The Lake Carriers' Association has been advocating for additional 
U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) icebreaking resources for the Great Lakes for 
decades including the construction of the current heavy icebreaker 
MACKINAW commissioned in 2006. Our efforts have been stymied in the 
past by a lack of transparent Domestic Icebreaking performance measures 
where the USCG claimed success with the mission despite serious winter 
shipping delays. To counter the false claims, we hired an expert in 
USCG icebreaking who previously held command positions on three USCG 
Great Lakes icebreakers and finished his career in uniform as the 
Program Manager for all USCG ice operations including polar 
icebreaking, domestic icebreaking encompassing the Northeast and Great 
Lakes, and the International Ice Patrol.
    The below testimony provides support for acquisition of a second 
heavy USCG icebreaker for the Great Lakes and the immediate 
recapitalization of the USCG 140-foot icebreaking tug fleet.
    Since 1880, the Lake Carriers' Association (LCA) has represented 
the U.S.-flag Great Lakes fleet, which today can move 90 million tons 
of cargos annually. These cargos are the building blocks of American 
manufacturing, infrastructure, and energy: iron ore, construction 
stone, coal, cement, and other dry bulk materials such as grain, salt, 
and sand.
    A reliable Great Lakes Navigation System (GLNS) is critical to the 
success of our Nation and the economy. Similar to interstate highways, 
infrastructure is a key component to a safe and efficient maritime 
system. USCG icebreakers are a critical piece of maritime 
infrastructure which, when adequate in both numbers and capability, 
facilitate the movement of commerce via the most economically and 
environmentally friendly mode of transportation: bulk cargo ships known 
as ``Lakers'' on the Great Lakes.
    The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (Corps) estimates that the GLNS 
results in an annual transportation rate savings of $3.9 billion 
annually. A recent report, Economic Impacts of Maritime Shipping in the 
Great Lakes, highlights Great Lakes shipping's contribution to the 
economic success of our Nation. The industry drives $36 billion in 
annual economic activity, which generates more than $6 billion in 
Federal, State, and local tax revenue annually. Almost 150,000 U.S. 
jobs are tied to our fourth seacoast and more than $17.8 billion in 
family sustaining wages are paid every year.
    The economic impact of inadequate icebreaking is staggering. A 
study commissioned by LCA and completed by Martin and Associates, a 
well-respected economist, found that over the course of the last ten 
years $2 billion in economic activity and 10,000 jobs have been lost 
due to a lack of sufficient USCG icebreaking on the Great Lakes. U.S. 
cargo vessels have been left stranded for days in waterways around the 
Great Lakes, often awaiting assistance from the only heavy Great Lakes 
icebreaker, MACKINAW. Unfortunately, when MACKINAW is unavailable due 
to a casualty or scheduled maintenance, shipping companies, ports, and 
jobs suffer.
    During the height of ice onset in 2023, MACKINAW was not available 
due to a casualty. Last year, MACKINAW also was unavailable during the 
early part of the ice season and had to be towed back to homeport with 
an electrical problem. When a serious ice jam occurred in the St. Clair 
River in February 2021 requiring a heavy icebreaker to relieve coastal 
community flooding north of Detroit, MI, MACKINAW was once again 
unavailable. With only one heavy icebreaker on the Great Lakes when 
heavy ice conditions persist across their vast expanse, the USCG is 
forced into deciding which port, which vessels, and which facilities 
will bear the pain.
    While a new USCG heavy Great Lakes icebreaker is needed now, the 
USCG has stated it will take 10-years to build one after they receive 
construction funds. which is the same timeline the new $3.2 billion Soo 
Lock mega project will take. LCA finds that timeline unacceptable and 
untenable that we must endure another $2 billion impact with additional 
lost jobs while waiting for this new icebreaker.
    It is not just MACKINAW that faces challenges to remaining 
operational during the ice season. A direct correlation can be made 
between casualties and the severity of the ice season. In total, the 
USCG fleet on the Great Lakes suffered 246 lost operational days during 
the 2017/2018 ice season and another 182 during the 2018/2019 ice 
season, two of the heaviest ice seasons during the past decade. Based 
on LCA's observations over the past two years, these casualties are 
increasing at an alarming rate, particularly in the 40-year-old 140-
foot icebreaking tug fleet. The USCG men and women sailing these 
vessels are subject to work-arounds to critical failing operational 
components. In fact, when KATMAI BAY's boiler heating system failed 
last year, the crew bravely continued to operate in sub-zero 
temperatures with portable space heaters and heavy clothing.
    The USCG has claimed they have extended the life of the 140s with 
their Service Life Extension Program (SLEP), but I respectfully 
disagree. Since the 1970s era main propulsion engines were not replaced 
or overhauled during that SLEP, annual failures have forced these 
critical icebreaking resources to the dock for emergency repairs on 
several occasions. The USCG Great Lakes icebreaking mission is facing a 
complete collapse, and the fallout will be the shuttering of domestic 
steel production, which will have massive impacts on our national and 
economic security.
    The real question is how did we get to this point of certain 
failure? In 1979, the U.S. and Canadian Coast Guards maintained a 
combined 20 icebreakers on the Great Lakes, including two heavy USCG 
icebreakers. Today, that number is eleven which includes two less ice 
capable buoy tenders. The USCG operates nine while the Canadian Coast 
Guard operate two, and they claim to work as one team. However, the 
Canadian commercial fleet receives a higher level of service from both 
the USCG and Canadian Coast Guard due to a glaring difference in 
performance measures. The Canadian Coast Guard measures their ability 
to get to a vessel stuck in ice within eight hours anywhere on the 
Great Lakes or St. Lawrence Seaway, while the USCG only measures their 
ability to free a vessel within 24-hours of being stuck in one of only 
four waterways. Green Bay is not one of those waterways; in fact, no 
Wisconsin waters are in those four waterways. A vessel could be stuck 
for a month in the middle of the bay and the USCG would not count this 
as a mission failure.
    The Canadian Coast Guard has justified their reduction in Great 
Lakes icebreakers by using USCG icebreakers to meet their higher level 
of service in Canadian waters. The USCG has justified their reduction 
by lowering their level of service to U.S. waters and U.S. ships. After 
enactment of the 2022 Coast Guard authorization Act, I believe the USCG 
has realized there is an issue with their icebreaking performance 
measures on the Great Lakes and trust that they, in consultation with 
U.S. vessel operators, will find a reasonable solution that accurately 
measures the ability of winter commerce to move safely and efficiently 
on the Great Lakes. This needs to happen now, as the Great Lakes will 
have to fight for future USCG icebreaking assets and the actual impacts 
of the currently inadequate fleet need to be captured.
    I was pleased to hear that Admiral Fagan has put her full support 
into acquiring another heavy icebreaker for the Great Lakes and the 
Fiscal Year 2024 budget request included $55 million in construction 
funding, but ten years is too long to wait for this vital national 
asset. The acquisition process must be accelerated.
    Based on the current timeline for the new heavy icebreaker, I can 
only assume that the timeline for replacing the fleet of 140-foot 
icebreaking tugs will be even longer as there are more of them to 
replace. The USCG should act now to start the process of replacing 
these aging assets.
    Icebreaking is a contact sport requiring stout vessels that can 
withstand the daily punishment during the winter months. I commend the 
crews of these vessels who work in some of the most challenging 
environments on the planet, but they deserve to have the proper tools 
to perform the job effectively and safely. I also commend the U.S. 
merchant sailors who struggle to deliver their critical cargos faced 
with inadequate USCG resources statutorily tasked with assisting 
commerce in the winter on the Great Lakes.
Conclusion
    Senator Baldwin, I applaud your commitment to the Great Lakes, the 
U.S. shipping industry, and the USCG. I respectfully ask that the 
Commerce Committee continue to work with the USCG to expedite the 
construction timeline for the new heavy Great Lakes icebreaker. The 
original heavy Great Lakes icebreaker MACKINAW was authorized and 
received full appropriations on December 17, 1941 ten days after the 
attack on Pearl Harbor. The vessel was operational assisting vital war 
time domestic steel production three years later. While that timeline 
probably can't be replicated during peacetime, we all should be 
striving to approach it.

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you all for your opening statements. 
We are going to now turn to a round of questioning. And I want 
to begin with Dean Haen. As we all know, the Port of Green Bay 
handles a large volume of cargo and has a tremendous impact on 
the Wisconsin economy, supporting jobs and generating tax 
revenue.
    Mr. Haen, thank you for highlighting the significant role 
the Port of Green Bay plays in both the Wisconsin economy as 
well as our whole region. Can you further describe the extent 
of the port's impact on the economic health of the region and 
how enabling maritime transportation of goods and commodities 
supports a critical diversity of transportation, options that 
are good for business and good for Wisconsin?
    Mr. Haen. Yes, thank you. In addition to my oral remarks, 
the port generates $142 million in wages, salaries, and local 
consumption expenditures in the regional economy, and the Port 
of Green Bay serves an area as far South as Sheboygan, over 
past Wausau, and up into the Yuppies.
    So that--we are the unique economic engine that is here at 
the Port of Green Bay. So not every city has the opportunity to 
have an international port and there is a lot of economic 
benefit from having that port located in your community.
    So, with that, you know, just waterborne transportation, it 
moves things, as Ken mentioned, safely and very cost 
effectively. So, it is a significant economic opportunity that 
we need to maximize.
    Senator Baldwin. Yes. Thank you. I want to also make sure 
that we emphasize just how many industries rely on the port of 
Green Bay and depend upon movement of goods through the bay.
    Mr. Haen, thank you for including in your submitted 
testimony a description of that diversity of commodities that 
the Port of Green Bay sends and receives. Can you talk about 
the different types of cargo handled in the port and their 
importance in this region?
    Mr. Haen. Certainly. Petroleum products obviously fuel our 
economy. So, diesel and gasoline are coming into the region 
to--for local consumers as well as our manufacturers. In 
addition, our agricultural industries are exporting ethanol to 
go into fuel additives on the East Coast.
    So that is kind of what happens with petroleum products. 
With regard to other commodities, cement and liquid asphalt are 
really easy for people to relate to. They are going to road 
construction. And the fact that we have the port here, that 
unique economic engine that I mentioned--you know, taxes are 
lowered, the ability to build roads are cheaper when you can 
have that low cost delivery of those raw materials.
    Other commodities, forest products. We see a lot of 
eucalyptus wood pulp come into the Port of Green Bay, and that 
goes into high end paper making products like diapers and 
Swiffer and other things that are made by Kimberly Clark and, 
Procter & Gamble. In addition, you know, Ken works in 
limestone.
    And you can talk more about that, but limestone is a very 
unique and widely applied commodity that is used in everything 
from pollution prevention applications to agricultural 
applications to, you know, your calcium pills that you have 
people take, to just--it goes into your toothpaste. It is part 
of the scrubbing action that is added to toothpaste.
    So, it is really unique, and I think those are probably the 
commodities that I am comfortable addressing. The other ones 
are, you know, coal obviously is for energy, and we have other 
commodities that are in much smaller volume.
    Senator Baldwin. Given the number of businesses that depend 
on both the port and the bay, can you describe some of the 
challenges they face when there is insufficient icebreaking 
capacity, or conducted here in the Port of Green Bay?
    Mr. Haen. Yes, thank you. So, we have two users that want 
to run vessels as late as they can and then start as early as 
they can. And one of them being U.S. Venture who moves 
petroleum products. So, because that is continuously consumed, 
if weather allows, they will move vessels as long as they can.
    In addition, other commodities like cement are limited in 
what they can store. So, if weather allows and they are 
consuming those products, they will seek icebreaker assistance 
to bring in those commodities.
    So, these are the two users, that would be Wholesome Cement 
and St. Mary Cement, along with U.S. Venture that generally 
rely on icebreaker assistance. So, in late part of the season, 
they are looking for icebreakers to keep the channel open. And 
then in the spring, any time after March 15, we are looking for 
icebreaker assistance.
    And just talking about some of their--some of the struggles 
that they have, this year we shouldn't have any. March 15 is 
our designated start date, and we will be open, but Mother 
Nature did that. In other years, during low ice, it is either 
Mother Nature or the Coast Guard that helps us open up very 
near March 15.
    But then what happens during, heavy ice years? That is 
where the port of Green Bay sits and waits, and we can sit and 
wait anywhere from 20 to 30 days waiting for the Soo and the 
St. Marys River to be cleared of ice before those assets can be 
redeployed to Green Bay to open up Green Bay.
    And some of those heavy ice years, I was looking back at 
our start dates and those heavy ice years, and the most recent 
ones 2008, 2009, 2014, 2015, and 2019, we experienced those 20 
to 30 day waits for the Port of Green Bay to open.
    Senator Baldwin. Yes. I think you have just answered this 
question, but I was going to ask specifically what are some of 
the complaints from dock owners in your port regarding the 
ability to move cargo during winter?
    Mr. Haen. Yes, those would be the primary ones.
    Senator Baldwin. Yes. OK. We previously received estimates 
that the Coast Guard--from the Coast Guard, that a new heavy 
icebreaker for the Great Lakes may take as long as 10 years to 
acquire.
    Mr. Haen, I know you are working diligently on an expansion 
of the port that will provide significant economic growth for 
the region for years to come. Can you describe how your 
intended timeline for port expansion, and how a 10 year wait 
for the Coast Guard to provide additional heavy icebreakers, 
how will that impact those plans?
    Mr. Haen. Well, it does play a role in those plans. And 
just to touch base on that project, we are again, very thankful 
for your help in helping us secure some of the funding needed 
to make that reality right before us.
    So, we have secured about $34 million, and we are looking 
for another $20 million to take a decommissioned power plant 
and turn it into a State of the art port facility. That 
facility is planned to have--and we had a third party do it, 
that it would have an economic impact of $87 million in the 
first 5 years that it is open.
    But obviously, you know, the facility can realize that, but 
we need the assurances that we have icebreaking so that we can 
find the highest and best user for that facility. And, you 
know, being limited to a 9-month ice season, or I mean, 
shipping season, it is critical that we have that full 9 months 
in order for someone to make the investments and to move the 
cargoes that they are going to be looking to move.
    Senator Baldwin. Yes, just emphasizing that point, how does 
the lack of assurance from the Coast Guard that there will be 
sufficient icebreaking impact a company's decision whether or 
not to do business with the port?
    Mr. Haen. Well, as with all Great Lakes ports, with the 
nine-month season, we are challenged already with having that 
window of time where, you know, manufacturers, producers, 
receivers need to transition to something different during 
those 3 months that we are closed.
    So that that is just a baseline understanding across the 
Great Lakes. And we certainly don't need that to be any more 
than 3 month limitation. So having the assurances that we have 
ice breaker capacity is critical to keep that window as short 
as possible.
    Senator Baldwin. Great. In 2022, Brown County secured over 
$10 million for the Port of Green Bay development project 
through the U.S. Department of Transportation's Port 
Infrastructure Development Program, which received over--that 
whole program received over $2 billion in the bipartisan 
infrastructure law.
    I supported the bipartisan infrastructure law and this 
project, and I am working to ensure that Wisconsin and the 
Great Lakes receive our fair share of the port funding that is 
available. Can you speak to the importance of the port 
receiving those funds? And what does it really mean to the 
Green Bay community?
    Mr. Haen. Thank you, Senator. Those funds are great 
opportunities that a small community like the Port of Green Bay 
wouldn't otherwise be able to realize. You know, to take a 
decommissioned power plant is $50 plus million dollars.
    So, looking, to contribute as a local--we are limited in 
what we can contribute. So, we have reached out to State and 
Federal agencies have been very successful in getting that 
support. So, it is critical in order to invest in our future, 
having the partnerships we need with the State and with the 
Federal Government.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Mr. Przybyla, thank you for 
being here for today. I think it is so important that we hear 
directly from business leaders themselves, and I appreciate 
your help in illustrating how crucial commerce on the Great 
Lakes is to Green Bay and the entire regional economy.
    Your business is unique in some ways because your 
fundamental mission is to keep other businesses running. In 
your testimony, you described how your company supports a wide 
variety of industries.
    Can you give us an idea of the types of industry, your 
customers, that would be harmed and the types of products that 
would not be available if you were unable to ship your goods?
    Mr. Przybyla. Certainly. Animal nutrition is one of our 
primary customers. With that, you have primarily in Wisconsin, 
that is dairy cows and cheese. So, if you do not have the 
material calcium from the limestone, magnesium from the 
dolomite, then you will have a reduction of sustainable 
minerals, we call them macro minerals, that increases the yield 
of milk from the cows.
    So, we have roughly two days' worth of inventory so that 
when we have an incident similar to what happened in 2014, 95 
percent of the lakes were covered with ice, we were unable to 
receive a vessel that was scheduled for early spring. We had to 
ship from Roger City, Michigan by truck 300 miles one way 
material in to keep our process running.
    So, if you look at 25,000 tons on a vessel, that would be 
1,000 trucks put on the road to get to Green Bay. Obviously, 
that put us in a quite a bind. We eventually did receive the 
vessel. Also, we have agronomy customers.
    So, the health of the soil. So that is important and also 
relates to the yield of milk from the cows, in that as you grow 
crops, the crops absorb the moisture into the plant and then 
leave behind the need for additional minerals that we supply to 
that also. And about 80, 90 percent of the corn growing in 
Wisconsin is for the dairy process.
    And then we also have manufacturing such as glass, float 
glass, plastics, adhesives and sealants. Those are customers 
that have relatively low inventory in stock, and we are--our 
model is ``keep business running.'' We guarantee that we will 
deliver on time so that we keep your business running.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Can you describe why the Port 
of Green Bay is a strategic location for your business, and how 
important access to the Great Lakes is to both you and your 
customers?
    Mr. Przybyla. Sure. The Great Lakes and the Saint Lawrence 
Seaway is very important to us. We have shipped materials from 
Newfoundland that has come through the Saint Lawrence Seaway.
    And we also have the Great Lakes quarries that we deal with 
in Lake Michigan and Lake Huron. We also have other modes of 
transportation for shipping our end product out, trucks and 
rail. It is ideal for us. It gives us the three modes of 
transportation. And the icebreaker would allow us to extend our 
season to be able to grow our business.
    Senator Baldwin. Tell me a little bit about the difficult 
winters during which bringing raw materials in and shipping 
your products out were restricted. And can you describe how the 
alternative methods of shipping, such as via ground, truck, or 
rail are more expensive? Give us a sense of that difference.
    Mr. Przybyla. So, as I said, the 25,000 tons would be 1,000 
truckloads, or it would be 250 rail cars. And the rail car--for 
us, the rail cars wouldn't work at all. We don't have access 
from the quarries to rail.
    So that is not even feasible to get raw materials in that 
way. The other thing that we have is trucking. Of course, the 
distance that has to be covered by truck from the quarries 
would be--we would not be in business if it was not for the 
Great Lakes.
    Senator Baldwin. And last, think about the length of your 
shipping season currently and how a longer shipping season 
would be an economic boost not just for you, but for the 
customers that you support.
    Mr. Przybyla. Certainly. We have additional costs related 
to winter storage of materials. If we did not have that, we 
would be able to increase our output and our customer base 
would also grow.
    And we are, you know, through innovation and new product 
development, our reach is getting farther and farther, so our 
demand for stone will continue to increase as we reach toward 
the West and to the South and to the East also by truck and 
rail for shipping our products.
    And then there is also the possibility of being able to 
ship outgoing products. We have shipped barges to Michigan from 
here. But, you know, there are other possibilities to go over 
into Lake Erie, Lake Ontario also.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Przybyla. Mr. 
Weakley, now that we have discussed how important icebreaking 
is to the Port of Green Bay and the businesses that are located 
here, I am really eager to discuss with you the significance of 
icebreaking to the entire region.
    But do you think the Coast Guard has articulated or has 
currently adequate resources to accomplish its icebreaking 
mission on the Great Lakes? And do you think that it is plans--
you know moving forward, will be adequate?
    Mr. Weakley. Thank you for the question, Senator. I would 
say absolutely not do they have the adequate resources to 
maintain the Great Lakes navigation system. The previous 
gentleman talked about the importance of the supply chain.
    I would say the Coast Guard has the ability to manage one 
problem area at a time. If the Straits are a problem, they can 
handle it. If the St. Marys are a problem, they can handle it. 
It Detroit is a problem, they can handle it. They can't handle 
two of those four waterways that are a problem at a time.
    We have seen that year over year. I was pleasantly 
surprised when the Commandant said that she wasn't going to 
reduce the number of 140 replacements for the Great Lakes, but 
I was equally surprised that they are going to add two to the 
East Coast. That demonstrates the importance of the flawed 
metric application of the Great Lakes and the opportunistic 
application of the metrics on the East Coast.
    Keep in mind, East Coast ice is easier than Great Lakes 
ice. We have fresh water. It is solid. It is hard. It is blue. 
It is beautiful. The East Coast, it is saltwater laden. They 
have a tidal flow, so the tidal flow will break the ice up. On 
the East Coast, I am probably getting ahead of myself, they 
have 25 Coast Guard assets that are capable of breaking ice.
    I am counting the 140s, the 65 icebreaking tugs, the 225s, 
and the 175s. I think Great Lakes, we got 11. So, you know, 
their plan is East Coast centric. Going forward, I am very 
grateful we will get the additional GLIB. Is it enough? 
Absolutely not, particularly if you applied the same metrics on 
the East Coast that you do on the Great Lakes.
    No doubt Superior and no doubt Green Bay would be Tier 1 
waterways if they were on the East Coast. 35 Tier 1 waterways 
from New York, North. We have got four. It is disappointing, to 
say the least.
    Senator Baldwin. Yes. What are the risks associated with 
having inadequate domestic icebreaking assets, as you have just 
outlined?
    Mr. Weakley. So, we have talked about the economic risk, 
the supply chain risks, not just to my members, but to GLC's 
customers, right. And it is the cascade effect.
    Collisions, we have seen ice--two lakers had a collision in 
the Straits of Mackinaw in 2014, a Tier 1 waterway, because of 
lack of adequate icebreaking. One laker tried to go close to a 
beset one to free it up. It didn't work out and they had a 
collision.
    Cost $7 million of damage. Groundings, we saw an instance 
where the Coast Guard didn't have enough resources to manage 
the upbound in the downbound channel in St. Marys River. The 
first downbound laker was forced to go down the upbound 
channel, ice forced it out of the channel and hold itself 
flooding. Fortunately, no injuries or loss of life or 
pollution, but clearly flooding is a risk to vessels, but also 
to homes.
    In 2021, we saw massive flooding along the Detroit Saint 
Clair River because of an ice dam. And I am going to throw this 
one out to the mothers of the toddlers in the audience. In 
2018, we almost had a Cheerios crisis, right. We were trying to 
get grain from Superior, Wisconsin to General Mills in Buffalo, 
New York.
    Buffalo was iced in. They were on the verge of running out 
of grain for the mill that supplied our Nation's Cheerios. 
Could you imagine the tragedy among the toddlers of the world 
when we ran out of Cheerios, all because a lack of Coast Guard 
icebreaking.
    So, it not just impacts us, not just their members, it 
impacts the toddlers of America. That is how important 
icebreaking is to our national economy. And those are the risks 
that we face on a daily basis.
    Senator Baldwin. Yes. My next question was going to be 
about comparing the Great Lakes assets to those assigned to the 
East Coast. You already addressed that. I would like you to 
describe a little bit about the economic loss that can occur to 
the region in icy years. So, including those three in the last 
decade, 2014, 2015, and 2018.
    Mr. Weakley. So, we hired an economist to look at the 
impacts of the cargoes that were delayed. In 2014, we 
calculated it was a $705 million loss and 3,800 jobs were lost 
because of the cargo that was delayed.
    In 2015, we calculated a $335 million loss and 2,000 jobs. 
But I will tell you that that is an underestimate because in 
2015 the Coast Guard Admiral asked us not to sail because he 
knew he could not move the commerce.
    So, we did not count the delayed ships that didn't sail for 
a week, two weeks. We only counted the delays that were 
incurred of vessels that were beset. So, I would say that 
number is probably half of what it actually should be. And in 
2018, we did a little better job of calculating our delays.
    We used to say an economist, went back to him, and he 
calculated $1 billion in economic loss to the Great Lakes 
region and 5,400 jobs lost just from the cargo delays that 
couldn't move because of the iron ore that didn't result in 
steel, the coal that didn't result in electrical power, the 
limestone that didn't result in, you know, good Wisconsin dairy 
products. Those are just economic losses.
    And I have no idea how to calculate the loss of a result of 
flooding. If you look at the 2021 floods up and down the 
Algonac River, the Detroit, Sinclair River, it was catastrophic 
to those homeowners and business owners along that, all because 
the Coast Guard didn't have the ability to do the job.
    And I am always very careful not to criticize the men and 
women of the United States Coast Guard, being one formerly 
myself. I think the problem is a lack of resources, a lack of 
focus, and the Coast Guard will always have higher priorities 
in the Great Lakes.
    Senator Baldwin. You just referenced this anecdotally, 
about the Coast Guard recommending to a company that they not 
embark on any voyages because there would be inadequate 
icebreaking capabilities. Do you have--beyond anecdotal 
stories, a sense of how many companies that impacted?
    Mr. Weakley. Yes, Senator. And with your permission, I will 
enter a copy of that letter on the record.
    Senator Baldwin. Without objection.
    [The information referred to was unavailable at time of 
printing.]
    Mr. Weakley. And I will also enter----
    Mr. Weakley. Usually say that to colleagues, but----
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Weakley. And also, Senator, with your permission, I 
will provide more detailed descriptions of the problems we had 
in 2014, 2015 and 2018.
    Senator Baldwin. OK.
    Mr. Weakley. We have been writing letters to the Coast 
Guard documenting that. So, an entire--the letter from the 
Admiral Midgette in 2015 impacted the entire industry, both the 
Canadian fleet and the American fleet. Basically, all the 
companies delayed by a few days, some delayed by weeks.
    There was one company that elected to go out earlier than 
the others, in spite of the Admiral's plea. And to tell you the 
truth, it backfired on those companies that were more risk 
averse because that company got all the Coast Guard assets to 
get them through, so they were more successful, but you would 
not believe the pressure from our customers.
    In fact, the company that went out and took what I believe 
was an unnecessary risk or an excessive risk compared to the 
other members, used it as a marketing campaign. So, if it 
happened again, I would think the other customers would put 
just as much pressure, and sadly, our members would be less 
risk sensitive.
    So, I think the Admiral did the right thing. His letter 
talks about 7 feet of brash ice in the Detroit, Saint Clair 
River. And it was impenetrable, but, you know, somebody took 
the risk, and it paid off financially for them.
    Senator Baldwin. As we have already discussed, the Coast 
Guard has provided in a report to Congress that there is an 
estimated 10 year timeline to deliver a new Great Lakes heavy 
icebreaker. Mr. Weakley, in your opinion, I already know the 
answer to this--is it a reasonable timeframe?
    Let me not ask that question, but answer two questions. 
What are the impacts to the U.S. industry of such a long 
timeline, and what do you believe is a reasonable timeframe 
where this would be achievable?
    Obviously, as the Commandant reflected, there are a lot of 
laws and rules and regulations that have to be followed, and 
you can't skip important steps in this process, but what would 
be a reasonable timeframe?
    Mr. Weakley. So, if I may respectfully push back on the 
Commandant's earlier statement--and she is absolutely correct, 
those laws have to be followed. But there are also laws that 
allow for single source and there are regulations within the 
Department of Homeland Security, when the Coast Guard could 
have purchased a second MACKINAW class hull with a single 
purchase designed, approved vessel.
    The Coast Guard successfully fought us on that. They 
refused to do that. We had an excellent meeting, thanks to you 
and your staff and Fincantieri Marine. We talked about that. 
The Coast Guard refused to do that.
    They believe that they have to start with a fresh piece of 
white paper and design from scratch. The MACKINAW has a proven 
hull. If they went with a parent class using the MACKINAW hull, 
they could expedite that process.
    So, there are ways around that. We actually even introduced 
legislative language to make that process go further, thanks to 
you, Senator, and some of your colleagues. Coast Guard 
acquisitions and Coast Guard legislation successfully fought us 
on that. So, had the Coast Guard listened to us 5 years ago, we 
would be looking, I believe, at a delivered Great Lakes ice 
breaker as we speak.
    I always use the comparison of the Army Corps of Engineers 
building a $3 billion new lock in 10 years, the same amount of 
time the Coast Guard is requiring it. I believe President 
Kennedy said we could put a man on the moon before the end of 
the decade in 1960, and in 1968 we did that.
    It will take the Coast Guard longer to acquire an ice 
breaker than we took to put a man and safely return him from 
the moon. I think they could do better if they wanted to. I 
think they choose not to.
    Senator Baldwin. All right. Thank you, Mr. Weakley. On that 
note, I am going to--I have concluded my questions. I know 
there may be other colleagues on the Subcommittee who wish to 
submit questions, so the hearing record will remain open for 
two weeks until March 15, 2024.
    Any Senators who would like to submit questions for the 
record should do so by March 15, 2024. We ask that your 
responses be returned to the Committee quickly, as possible, 
and in no case later than two weeks after receipt.
    And with that, this concludes today's hearing. Thank you 
all for being here.
    [Whereupon, at 12:20 a.m. CST, the hearing was adjourned.]

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