[Senate Hearing 118-681]
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                                                    S. Hrg. 118-681

                       TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY AND
                          BLAST EXPOSURE CARE

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                           FEBRUARY 28, 2024

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                      JACK REED, Rhode Island, Chairman	
 	
 JEANNE SHAHEEN, New Hampshire		ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi
 KIRSTEN E. GILLIBRAND, New York	DEB FISCHER, Nebraska
 RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut	TOM COTTON, Arkansas
 MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii		MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
 TIM KAINE, Virginia			JONI ERNST, Iowa
 ANGUS S. KING, Jr., Maine		DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
 ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts	KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
 GARY C. PETERS, Michigan		RICK SCOTT, Florida
 JOE MANCHIN III, West Virginia		TOMMY TUBERVILLE, Alabama
 TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois		MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma
 JACKY ROSEN, Nevada			TED BUDD, North Carolina
 MARK KELLY, Arizona                  	ERIC SCHMITT, Missouri                                    
                                   
                                      
 		    Elizabeth L. King, Staff Director
   		John P. Keast, Minority Staff Director
 
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                       Subcommittee on Personnel

                  ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts, 
                               Chairman
                               
 RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut	RICK SCOTT, Florida
 MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii		MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
 TIM KAINE, Virginia			DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
 TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois            	TED BUDD, North Carolina                                     


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                           February 28, 2024

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Traumatic Brain Injury and Blast Exposure Care...................     1

                           Member Statements

Statement of Senator Elizabeth Warren............................     1

Statement of Senator Rick Scott..................................     3

                           Witness Statements

McBirney, Samantha, Professor of Policy Analysis, Pardee Rand         5
  Graduate School.

Zafonte, Ross D., Chief of Traumatic Brain Injury and Health &       14
  Wellness Programs, Home Base.

Larkin, Frank J., Chief Operating Officer, Troops First              23
  Foundation, Lead of National Warrior Call Day Initiative.

Martinez-Lopez, Hon. Lester, Assistant Secretary of Defense for      44
  Health Affairs, Department of Defense; Kathy M. Lee, Director, 
  Warfighter Brain Health Policy, Department of Defense; and 
  Captain Carlos D. Williams, USN, Director, National Intrepid 
  Center of Excellence.

Questions for the Record.........................................    62

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                         TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY
                        AND BLAST EXPOSURE CARE

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                      WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 28, 2024

                      United States Senate,
                         Subcommittee on Personnel,
                               Committee on Armed Services,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:59 p.m., in 
room 222, Russell Senate Office Building, Senator Elizabeth 
Warren (Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
    Subcommittee Members present: Senators Warren, Blumenthal, 
Hirono, Kaine, Ernst, Sullivan, Scott, and Budd.

         OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN

    Senator Warren.
    [Technical problems.] This hearing will come to order. I am 
pleased to welcome you all to today's hearing to receive 
testimony on the Department of Defense's efforts to protect 
servicemembers from blast overpressure.
    Servicemembers put their lives and their health on the line 
when they are--[technical problems]. In return, we have a 
profound responsibility to make sure the Nation is doing all we 
can to keep them safe, to prevent battlefield and training 
casualties--oops, thank you.
    [Technical problems.]
    Senator Warren. That could be trouble. All right. Good. Did 
we get the other on the record? Just so, I got started here. 
Servicemembers put their lives and their health on the line 
when they put on their uniforms.
    In return, we have a profound responsibility to make sure 
that the Nation is doing all that it can to keep them safe, to 
prevent battlefield and training casualties, and to provide the 
best possible care for those who are injured. We are holding 
this hearing----
    [Technical problems.]
    Senator Warren. We are there? Good. We are holding this 
hearing because DOD is not meeting its responsibilities when it 
comes to traumatic brain injuries (TBI) and other injuries that 
result from firing weapons.
    Injuries from blast overpressure, the pressure that is 
caused by a shock wave that exceeds normal atmospheric values, 
have been the signature wounds of the wars in Iraq and 
Afghanistan.
    But there are also injuries incurred in training here at 
home. They are invisible, but they affect thousands of 
servicemembers, causing headaches, seizures, hallucinations, 
and ultimately significantly increased risks of depression and 
suicide.
    Over the course of just 3 months in 2023, DOD provided TBI 
treatment to servicemembers nearly 50,000 times. The more we 
learn, the more we come to understand that blast exposure is an 
ongoing threat to the health of individual servicemembers, and 
to the well-being, the morale, and the readiness of our entire 
force.
    I appreciate the support I have had on this issue from 
Ranking Member Scott, from Senator Ernst, from Senator Tillis, 
and from other Members of this Committee. I secured a long term 
study of blast overpressure injuries in the 2018 National 
Defense Authorization Act, and I have worked with Senator Ernst 
to introduce legislation on blast overpressure and to secure 
additional requirements to track blast overpressure injuries in 
the Fiscal Year 2020 NDAA.
    DOD is working to implement this legislation, but we still 
have significant problems. Last year, The New York Times 
reported on heightened brain injury risks for United States 
troops in Syria fighting ISIS. Four artillery batteries 
assigned to the region fired more weapons than any military 
American artillery since the Vietnam War.
    The result was that each of these units had members with 
serious blast overpressure injuries, and each had at least one 
member that committed suicide. These deaths are a tragedy. 
Ryan, a Navy SEAL deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, was subject 
to significant blasts from his own weapons over the course of 
his career and later died by suicide.
    His father, Mr. Frank Larkin, is here today to discuss the 
harm that blast overpressure has caused to servicemembers and 
to their families. The Times also revealed that even when DOD 
had made policy changes to address risks, those changes were 
not evident on the ground. Weapons known to deliver shock waves 
well above safety thresholds were still widely used. Training 
did not involve basic safety measures, and special operations 
forces were not issued blast exposure gauges, the gauges that 
are needed to track the threats they faced.
    So, DOD and Congress both have a lot to do. Here is my 
agenda to address this problem. First, we need to establish 
mitigation strategies specific to the servicemember roles that 
are most at risk for blast overpressure.
    Second, we must require DOD to create blast exposure and 
traumatic brain injury logs for all servicemembers and to 
integrate these logs into their VA and DOD health care records. 
Third, the Department of Defense should partner with 
innovative, evidence based programs like Home Base to help 
servicemembers get the care they need. And I am going to have 
to brag here for just a minute.
    Home Base is a nonprofit organization founded by 
Massachusetts General Hospital and the Boston Red Sox to take 
care of the invisible wounds of veterans, servicemembers, 
military families, and families of the fallen. Home Base has 
clinics in Massachusetts and in Florida, Ranking Member Scott's 
State.
    Home Base has a comprehensive brain health and trauma 
program specifically designed for special operations veterans 
and servicemembers, where it has been leading innovative 
treatments for veterans with co-occurring substance abuse and 
mental health conditions.
    As we work through this year's NDAA, I want to support this 
program's work, and I appreciate Dr. Zafonte from Home Base 
joining us today. One more item.
    We need to make sure that DOD sets a threshold on the 
maximum number of rounds that is safe--that servicemembers can 
safely fire, and that this includes consideration of exposure 
limits over an extended period of time. DOD must do its part 
and Congress must do our part.
    So, to our witnesses, welcome and thank you for appearing. 
We are going to have two panels today. The first panel will 
consist of outside witnesses to provide their perspective on 
where DOD and the services are falling short on protecting 
servicemembers from blast overpressure.
    Dr. Samantha McBirney Professor of Policy Analysis at the 
Pardee RAND Graduate School, Dr. Ross Zafonte, Chief of 
Traumatic Brain Injury and Health and Wellness Programs at Home 
Base, and Frank Larkin, Chief Operating Officer of Troops First 
Foundation and lead of the National Warrior Call Day 
Initiative.
    The second panel will consist of officials from the 
Department of Defense and Walter Reed to hear how DOD is 
tackling this issue. We will have Dr. Lester Martinez Lopez, 
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs, Kathy Lee, 
Director of Warfighter Brain Health Policy at DOD, and Captain 
Carlos Williams, Director of the National Intrepid Center of 
Excellence at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.
    I will now turn to Ranking Member Scott for his comments to 
open this hearing.

                STATEMENT OF SENATOR RICK SCOTT

    Senator Scott. First, I want to thank Senator Warren, the 
Chairwoman of this Committee and--our Subcommittee and thank 
her for caring about this issue and for taking this job so 
seriously. Chairwoman Warren, I want to thank you for holding 
this hearing on such an important topic.
    Traumatic brain injury, or TBI, is one of the most common 
injuries sustained by American servicemembers. In 2022, more 
than 20,000 military personnel were diagnosed with TBI. Stop 
and think about that for a second. Just in 2022, there are more 
than 20,000, 20,000 members of military that were diagnosed 
with a traumatic brain injury.
    That is pretty bad. The vast majority, over 84 percent, 
were classified as mild, which is more commonly known as a 
concussion. But if any of us have--when you have raised kids 
and they have a concussion, it scares the living daylights out 
of you.
    Missing from this data are servicemembers who are 
frequently exposed to low level blasts that do not typically 
result in a clinically diagnosable concussion. This is 
concerning because repeated exposure to low level blast may 
cause similar symptoms as more severe cases of TBI.
    We know that low level blast exposure from fire and heavy 
weapons systems or explosives may cause a variety of symptoms 
including concentration, memory problems, irritability, 
headaches, and decreased hand-eye coordination. Each of these 
issues alone can be very serious and disrupt somebodies life.
    Unfortunately, there remains a great deal about exposure to 
these blasts that we yet do not know. More research and better 
data are required so that military and health care providers 
can mitigate the frequency of blast exposure where possible and 
treat those exposed to blast where necessary.
    We have actually taken action to do that. In the 2018 
National Defense Authorization Act, Congress required the 
Department of Defense to conduct a medical study on blast 
pressure exposure.
    Two months ago, the Committee received the Department's 
final report on this study. This hearing presents an 
opportunity to assess the quality of the Department's work. The 
legislation required the study, which followed specific 
individuals over an extended period of time, to include three 
specific elements.
    First, the Department was to ``monitor, record, and analyze 
data on blast pressure exposure'' for any servicemember 
``likely to be exposed to a blast in training or combat.'' 
Second, the study was to assess the feasibility and 
advisability of including blast exposure history into a 
servicemember's medical record.
    Last, the Department was to review the safety precautions 
of heavy weapons training in light of emerging research on 
blast exposure. In reviewing the final report submitted this 
past December, it is clear the Department still has more work 
to do, particularly in its ability to monitor and record blast 
exposures for military personnel.
    Only a few hundred soldiers and marines were fitted with 
wearable devices that unfortunately seem to suffer from quality 
control issues. And while the Department's report does say that 
it may be feasible to record blast exposure information in a 
servicemember's medical record, a business case analysis is 
required to determine the way forward in this area. In this 
hearing, I would like to learn more about how the Department 
plans to conduct this business case analysis.
    This is an important issue. I believe the Department is 
committed to getting this right and I believe the TBI Center of 
Excellence and Warfighter Brain Health Initiatives are 
excellent initiatives that I hope will provide the military 
with the information needed to better understand the effects of 
repetitive blast exposure.
    We all must remember the exposure to low level blast will 
continue to be a necessary risk for many of our frontline 
combat troops. But if we can do better--if we can better 
quantify the type and number of blasts that have the potential 
to cause significant, perhaps permanent injuries, then we can 
use that information to make better decisions about how best to 
accomplish a particular mission.
    I would like to hear from the witnesses what Congress can 
do to ensure the Department of Defense has the resources it 
needs to conduct its planned work and where we can help. Only 
this is about the well-being of the individuals that are 
willing to put on the uniform, who are closest to the front 
line of combat, and every servicemember that is diagnosed with 
TBI.
    We owe it to them to ensure--and their families to ensure 
that when they go into harm's way, they are well-trained, have 
the right protective equipment, and are utilized in a manner 
that achieves the objective with an understanding of the risk 
involved.
    I want to thank you to all the witnesses for being here 
today. I look forward to your testimony. And again, I want to 
thank Senator Warren for putting this together.
    Senator Warren. Thank you.
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 STATEMENT OF SAMANTHA MCBIRNEY, PROFESSOR OF POLICY ANALYSIS, 
                  PARDEE RAND GRADUATE SCHOOL

    Dr. McBirney. Chairwoman Warren, Ranking Member Scott, and 
Members of the Committee, good afternoon, and thank you for the 
opportunity to testify today. My name is Dr. Samantha McBirney, 
and I am a Biomedical Engineer at the nonprofit, nonpartisan 
RAND Corporation.
    My research for the last 15 years, not only at RAND, but 
also at the University of California, Berkeley and the 
University of Southern California, has focused on traumatic 
brain injury, or TBI, both as the result of blunt impact and 
blast overpressure.
    Today, I would like to speak with you about repeated 
exposure to low level military occupational blasts, which are 
low level blast exposures experienced while fulfilling military 
occupational duties.
    Evidence suggests that servicemembers are exposed to these 
blasts in the form of blast overpressure, or the pressure wave 
that emanates from the source of an explosion. This pressure 
wave can cause sub-concussive injuries which are not 
immediately detectable and would not qualify as a TBI.
    Exposure to blast overpressure can occur both in combat and 
in training, as has already been mentioned. During training, 
exposure can be due to breaching exercises and the firing of 
increasingly powerful weapon systems, such as the Carl Gustaf 
recoilless rifle and the AT4.
    To provide some perspective on the level of exposure some 
servicemembers have, one study found that up to 32 percent of 
blasts experienced by breaching instructors exceeded the 
recommended exposure limit.
    Studies have shown that the cumulative effect of repeated 
low level blast exposure can cause symptoms similar to TBI. 
While a variety of effects have been linked to low level blast 
exposure, as Senator Warren and Senator Scott have already 
mentioned, there remains a lack of scientific evidence linking 
repeated exposure to injury. One reason for this is the 
difficulty of diagnosis.
    The very nature of low level blast exposure, and the fact 
that it is not one single event that causes an issue, but 
rather the cumulative effect of repeated exposure over time 
complicates injury recognition.
    Symptoms typically do not manifest immediately, which makes 
it unlikely that repeated exposure to low level blast is 
identified as the cause. Additionally, injury is vastly 
underreported among servicemembers, only obfuscating the issue 
of proper diagnosis further.
    There is also a lack of research about the military 
occupational specialties at greatest risk of exposure to low 
level blast. While there is no doubt that certain occupational 
specialties are more frequently exposed than others, there is 
little research to support these hypotheses.
    So, there remains a lack of understanding of the direct 
impact that repeated exposure to low level blast has on the 
health of servicemembers in different occupational specialties. 
If the preventive intervention is perfectly effective but 
cannot be delivered in time, it is not useful.
    This quote from a 2019 RAND report perfectly describes the 
current State and the reason many of us are here today, ``as a 
research community, we clearly see that additional research 
needs to be done. However, there are steps the DOD can take now 
to better protect servicemembers against blast induced 
injury.''
    I highlight four recommendations in my written testimony, 
and I would like to bring your attention to one of them here, 
the creation and maintenance of blast exposure records. These 
records should include number of exposures, the context of each 
exposure, and any physical, mental, or emotional effects 
resulting from that exposure.
    This would allow the DOD to better track exposure 
frequency, assess the occurrence among high risk occupational 
specialties, determine the connection between exposure and 
health outcomes, and develop strategies to mitigate exposure in 
training environments.
    Ultimately, these records could be used to develop an index 
score to gauge an individual's combat readiness and potential 
health risks. As our weapon systems continue to become more 
advanced and increasingly powerful, low level military 
occupational blasts will remain an enduring challenge for 
servicemembers.
    Addressing the issue of repeated exposure to these blasts 
necessitates action and collaboration between the DOD and the 
research community. By implementing the recommendations as 
outlined in my written testimony, alongside continued research 
efforts to close substantial knowledge gaps, the DOD can take 
significant strides toward better protecting the health and 
well-being of our servicemembers.
    Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. McBirney follows:]
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    Senator Warren. Thank you.

 STATEMENT OF ROSS D. ZAFONTE, CHIEF OF TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY 
           AND HEALTH & WELLNESS PROGRAMS, HOME BASE

    [Technical problems.]
    Dr. Zafonte. Good afternoon, Chairwoman Warren, Ranking 
Member Scott, Members of the Subcommittee. My name is Dr. Ross 
Zafonte. I am honored to provide testimony today on traumatic 
brain injury care and blast exposure. My career is centered 
around improving the lives of people with traumatic brain 
injury.
    I currently serve as President of Spalding, Chair of the 
Physical Medicine Rehabilitation Department at Harvard Medical 
School, Chief of the Department of Physical Medicine 
Rehabilitation at Mass General Hospital and Brigham and Women's 
Hospital, and for the past 15 years, I have served at the Home 
Base Program, directing its Brain Injury Program. I actually 
see the patients, as well as do the research.
    Blast overpressure, as we just heard, is a sudden onset of 
a pressure wave from explosions occurring with shoulder carried 
artillery in training or deployment, in breaching buildings, 
and from improvised explosive devices. Generally, the bigger 
the explosion, the more damaging the pressure width.
    TBI can have a wide range of physical and physiologic 
effects. Some signs appear immediately, others take days or 
weeks to occur, and they may result in physical, sensory, 
cognitive, behavioral, or mental impacts.
    According to the Department of Defense, since 2000, over 
400,000 U.S. servicemembers experienced at least one brain 
injury and 40 percent of those later screened positive for co-
morbid psychological health conditions.
    Our own research has noted an elevated 10 year risk of 
hypertension, cardiac disease, endocrine or hormonal 
dysfunction, and behavioral concerns such as depression even 
among the youngest of patients.
    Home Base is located in Charlestown, Massachusetts, with, I 
am proud to say, as a native Floridian, satellite locations in 
Florida and Arizona, and operates one of the oldest and most 
impactful private sector programs in the Nation.
    For 15 years, we have served as an incubator for innovative 
clinical care models and research, and the program is nested 
within Mass General Hospital, allowing us to leverage the 
faculty in Mass General Brigham Health System. Home Base 
bridges the gap between research and clinical care.
    Now, in 2018, Home Base was approached by the Navy Special 
Warfare with a complex set of problems facing Navy SEALs. We 
quickly developed a comprehensive brain injury and polytrauma 
program. This program is named COMBAT, or the Comprehensive 
Brain Health and Treatment Program.
    It is modeled after existing programs that we developed for 
elite athletes and provides integrated, multi-disciplinary, 
specialist treatments, evaluation and care coordination for 
veteran and Active Duty operators. Home Base has treated nearly 
1,000 special operators through our intensive programs, 71.9 
percent of combat participants are Active Duty and the 
overwhelming majority return to duty, so we are keeping the 
fighting force active. We currently have 178 Active Duty 
special operators waiting to be screened and scheduled for 
COMBAT Program, and COMBAT has cared for operators in 47 
States, the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, including 
53 patients from Massachusetts, 60 from Florida, 6 from 
Connecticut, 22 from Hawaii, 278 from Virginia, 4 from 
Illinois, 1 from Alaska, and 54 from North Carolina.
    The COMBAT program is highly efficient, agile, and 
compressed into a 5-day model of care. Patients see a minimum 
of nine providers, and this may expand grossly related to 
pertinent diagnostic imaging or other studies.
    So, in summary, we are very grateful for the support of 
Congress, especially Chairwoman Warren, has shown this program, 
and for the partnership and financial support provided by 
SOCOM.
    The program is successful and the demand for care is 
growing at a steady pace. Based on my experience in this field 
and treating patients at Home Base, I would recommend the 
Department of Defense consider the following options. Invest in 
and develop tools to measure----
    [Technical problems.]
    Dr. Zafonte. Increase funding for partnerships with 
academic medical centers. Ensure all servicemembers with 
traumatic brain injury can easily access care. And as has been 
said, that data needs to be linked to blast exposure.
    Develop novel methods to define and understand the impacts 
of declining health spans and develop treatment interventions. 
I also recommend that DOD partner with Home Base to develop a 
long term, longitudinal health span study on the multi-system 
injury of blast and traumatic brain injury.
    And invest in research that evaluates and treats the long 
term sequalae of repeated brain injuries of blast exposure. 
Thank you for the opportunity to testify on this very important 
topic, and for your commitment to supporting members of the 
military. I am happy to answer questions the Committee may 
have.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Ross D. Zafonte follows:]
      
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    Senator Warren. Thank you, Dr. Zafonte. Mr. Larkin, would 
you like to make an opening statement?

 STATEMENT OF FRANK J. LARKIN, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, TROOPS 
 FIRST FOUNDATION, LEAD OF NATIONAL WARRIOR CALL DAY INITIATIVE

    Mr. Larkin. Thank you to the Committee for the opportunity 
to speak. My formal testimony is submitted for the record.
    As a former Navy SEAL, I am here today to be a voice for 
all those that have worn our Nation's uniform and are currently 
struggling everyday with both visible and invisible wounds. 
Wounds that transcend mental, physical, and spiritual domains. 
Wounds that transcend--I am sorry, wounds that have influenced 
an epidemic level of suicides amongst our Active Duty force and 
veteran populations.
    My intent today is not to pounce on the Department of 
Defense or the Veterans Administration, but to help them 
succeed. I would not be here if it was not for my son Ryan, 
U.S. Navy SEAL Special Operator 1st Class Ryan F. Larkin. My 
son would be 36 years old today if he had not taken his life on 
the morning of April 23d, 2017.
    He had been suffering from what we have come to 
characterize as invisible wounds, a complex rubric of post-
traumatic stress disorder, moral injury, and substance use 
disorder that was complicated by undiagnosed traumatic brain 
injury from blast exposure, the signature injury of the past 20 
plus years fighting the global War on Terror.
    Ryan was a highly decorated and accomplished Navy SEAL, 
trained as a special operations medic, sniper, and explosives 
breacher. He loved being a SEAL, furthered by the love and 
loyalty for his teammates that was cemented on the battlefield.
    Following four heavy combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, 
Ryan, like many others who have worn the uniform of our Nation 
in combat, began experiencing uncharacteristic changes that 
manifested in difficulty sleeping, nightmares, anxiety, 
hypervigilance, loss of memory and declining cognitive 
functions. He stopped smiling. He sought help, but the help 
that was offered was not aligned with what he needed.
    When his condition became more complicated, and their 
proposed solutions didn't work, the system weaponized his pleas 
for help against him and pushed him out of the SEAL team and 
out of the Navy.
    This abrupt separation created another deep weeping wound. 
He felt that he had let his teammates down, abandoning them. 
The system he trusted hung labels on him to justify their 
assessments and their actions. A year after he honorably 
separated from the Navy, Ryan ended his life. Ryan repeatedly 
said, something is wrong with my head, nobody is listening, 
they keep telling me I'm crazy.
    This was reinforced by the endless stream of medications 
prescribed by both defense health and VA clinicians to address 
his behavioral symptoms, not the root cause of his challenges. 
Everything defaulted to psychiatric and mental health illness, 
with very little mention of TBI, despite his operational 
profile and repeated exposures to blast overpressures from our 
weapons systems and enemy IEDs.
    Over the course of 2 years between defense health and the 
VA, he was prescribed over 40 different medications, everything 
from potions, lotions, and creams to high end psychotropic and 
mood stabilizing drugs. He never received a clinical diagnosis. 
He was a walking experiment.
    One night prior to his death, he said that he wasn't going 
to live very long, that he was broken up inside. He made me 
promise that if anything ever happened to him, that he wanted 
his body donated for TBI-Breacher's Syndrome research. Then he 
turned to me and said, you know dad, it is going to take guys 
killing themselves before the system wakes up to the fact that 
it has a problem.
    The guys are hurt. Ryan's brain was donated to a DOD 
research effort at Walter Reed National Military Medical 
Center. Two months later, we learned that Ryan had a severe 
case of undiagnosed microscopic brain injury uniquely related 
to repeated blast exposure. Ryan was hurt, not crazy.
    He was right all along. Unfortunately, our medical 
enterprises could not and still cannot see this level of 
microscopic injury in a living warfighter or veteran. My son 
died from his injuries suffered both in training for combat and 
combat operations.
    He just didn't die right away. These warriors with 
invisible wounds, they are hurt. They are not broken. They 
break when they are cut away from their teammates, their 
tribes, and are betrayed by the institutions where they have 
given their all. It has been 23 years since 9/11. DOD has spent 
almost $3 billion in mental--on mental health, substance abuse, 
suicide prevention, PTSD, TBI, and other warfighter assistance 
programs.
    I give them a D plus, C minus at best, for the lack of 
measurable impact for those who need answers. Those are the 
deck plate, dirt level warfighters we promised to take care of 
and not leave behind.
    Blast exposure is a key threat to warrior brain health and 
potentially represents a significant national security threat 
to our force, readiness, and resiliency. However, whatever 
solutions we come up with, it can't impact our operational 
effectiveness or lethality on the battlefield.
    We need to do this smarter and by down the risk on the 
front end. Thank you for the opportunity to be the voice for 
others like Ryan. Subject to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Frank J. Larkin follows:]

               Prepared Statement by Mr. Frank J. Larkin
                       introduction & background
     . . . We know that losing someone with traumatic brain injury 
(TBI) to suicide isn't the worst part. There are 500,000 other Ryan's 
currently out there with TBI trying to stay alive, despite being four 
times as likely to attempt suicide. Military TBI and suicide scientist 
Dr. Jayna Moceri-Brooks' husband, a career Armor officer with TBI, is 
just one of them. We know the worst parts are when you get the call 
about another. And another. And another.
    We know no one is immune, not even colleagues like Dr. Kate 
Rocklein, whose husband Michael Froede was Special Operations (SOF), 
had TBI, and died shortly after Ryan as she was conducting research on 
factors inducing suicide in SOF. Always canaries in the coal mine, we 
know Special Operations' projected incidence of TBI exceeds 52 percent, 
three times that of other combatant commands, with corresponding 
suicides in these elite units outpacing the larger military at 
estimated rates of 2.5 to 1.
    Ryan, Michael, nearly half of Michael's chalk from the Special 
Forces Q course, and countless others have died from TBI while 
inspectors general found last year the entire US Central Command failed 
to assess and treat brain injuries in its combat troops. Or DOD 
assigning no oversight authority for TBI initiatives force wide. Or DOD 
spending three billion taxpayer dollars on quote-unquote the best 
neurological care possible, like $3.7 million reading Greek classics to 
soldiers, or $2.7 million producing a Sesame Street vignette about 
death.
    Or DOD spending $76 million annually for Preservation of the Force 
and Family, an unsuccessful non-clinical fitness program posing as 
brain and mental healthcare for Special Operators still 
disproportionately dying from TBI-related suicide. Unfortunately, that 
human performance program is the foundation of the Warfighter Brain 
Health Initiative.
    Without this Committee exercising the considerable power endowed by 
its mandate to ensure our common defense, holding leadership 
accountable for treating TBI and preventing related suicides will 
remain aspirational, to the horror of families imagining more survivors 
bearing the costs of these wars, and to a generation of potential 
recruits again witnessing our military abandon the very troops it has 
unsuccessfully enticed them to become.
    We are elevating these threats to servicemembers (SM) lives to 
congressional levels based on alarms raised by impartial clinicians and 
scientists analyzing 20+ years of DOD's TBI initiatives. We are 
elevating these threats because DOD's reports to Congress now globally 
exclude mention of TBI and, on their face, are overtly disingenuous and 
have over-capitalized Congress' patience and goodwill.
    We know DOD hyperfocus on capturing blast overpressure data is a 
ruse because DOD has had exposure thresholds for a decade. Warfighter 
Brain is a 5-year-long exercise in regurgitative rebranding of 
previously ignored recommendations made by myself and others years ago. 
We know experts predict Warfighter Brain is more likely to induce TBI-
related suicides than prevent them.
    We know the Longitudinal Blast Overpressure Study was neither 
longitudinal nor an actual research study. Despite unfettered access to 
DOD-created and approved sensors, investigators used untested, faulty 
sensors while exposing SMs to dangerous ex-urban blast overpressures 
without informed consent or right to refuse. Were it legitimate 
research, it never would have passed review by a qualified ethics 
board. And if it had produced any tangible results, those data would be 
dismissed as biased, problematic, and unacceptable.
    We know that pillars of Warfighter Brain have no basis in medical 
evidence, nor can such human performance programs treat brain trauma in 
any way advised by clinical medicine. We've known since 2006 that 
athletic training cannot improve TBI cellular pathologies. We know 
DOD's current plan is to treat TBI primarily by accelerating SMs' 
cognitive processing speeds--an infinitesimally small aspect of TBI--
but not by providing cutting-edge TBI assessment and treatment 
available to civilian citizens.
    In the words of one Operator with TBI, ``HPO just means we're in 
the best shape of our lives when we kill ourselves.''
    We know DOD has weaponized science to avoid acting decisively on 
TBI: they will again try to convince you that nothing can be done 
without snipe hunting for more data. We know TBI from blasts with 
pressures as low as 30psi--about the force of a bicycle tire exploding-
scrambles DNA signaling, causing hosts of chronic clinical syndromes 
and neurological disorders, from Parkinson's to mood disorders to 
suicide. Yet in November 2022, ASD guidance was that overpressures of 
4psi were plenty dangerous enough. Again: we know that DOD knows the 
overpressures and thresholds.
    We know that SOF's superior fitness and resilience does not repair 
anatomical damage from blast exposures and treating TBI with human 
performance optimization is like prescribing CrossFit for Alzheimer's. 
We know the past 10 years of DOD pushing athletic wellness programs for 
neurological injuries has done much to gaslight SMs with TBI into 
believing they could heal if they weren't so weak, further incenting 
their suicides.
    We know DOD is publicly moving toward force wide assessment of 
cognitive processing deficits from TBI to remove injured SMs and their 
families from career military service with immediacy--``med-boarding'' 
them is far more economically appealing than expenditures toward 
healing and retaining our Nations' most experienced and sophisticated 
SMs during a time when we can recruit neither into our armed forces.
    We know from Dr. Moceri-Brooks' pioneering work that receiving the 
Purple Heart for brain injuries would reduce suicides, one of precious 
few tangible solutions available to us. We also know that without 
consent of Congress, DOD adjusted criteria for the Purple Heart and 
TBI. Awards branches now misapply regulations in denying multitudes of 
eligible SMs Purple Hearts for combat related TBI: officially denying 
this injury's existence and further incenting their suicides.
    We know from Dr. Rocklein's influential work that Special Operators 
have been stripped of tabs and tridents and separated from their teams 
en masse for exhibiting uncontrollable symptoms of TBI and suicidal 
behaviors. We know such institutional betrayals precede suicide in 
Special Operations more often than not. And tomorrow these unsanctioned 
practices can be easily reversed--with the stroke of a pen--at no cost 
to taxpayers.
    We know Warfighter Brain is another slick, opaque strategy full of 
battlefield buzzwords without clear paths to success. Since we also 
know DOD is only selling tickets to another circus, my second 
recommendation is to transfer TBI care to vetted, agile private 
industry and academic health sciences partnerships equipped to 
immediately assess and initiate approved emerging treatments with basis 
in evidence and efficacy.
    Last, and especially poignant given my presence here because of 
Ryan's death, and Dr. Rocklein's discoveries because of Michael's 
death: we know comprehensive reforms are the only viable path forward. 
Therefore, I recommend immediately implementing the Froede-Larkin 
Reform Act, also submitted prior to testifying, into this year's NDAA. 
It is evidence-based and signals sincere course correction to 
disenfranchised SMs with TBI, and their families suffering with them, 
reverses nearly 20 years of TBI mismanagement and confusion, and 
ensures upcoming generations of SMs never again experience such 
cruelties of bureaucratic inertia toward their health, welfare, and 
survivability.
    Acknowledgments: Testimony prepared collaboratively with Dr. Kate 
Rocklein and Dr. Jayna Moceri-Brooks.
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    Senator Warren. Thank you, Mr. Larkin. I appreciate your 
being here and sharing this story. I am sorry for your loss, 
and I am sorry for the treatment your son Ryan received. I 
think you said it right, traumatic brain injuries are 
considered ``the signature wound'' of our wars in Iraq and 
Afghanistan.
    While improvised explosive devices, IEDs, may have caused 
some of these medical injuries, a military medical research 
study found that for troops with mild traumatic brain injury, 
``the most important cause of brain injury was the long term 
exposure to explosive weapons.''
    In 2011, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency 
determined that 75 percent of the troops' blast exposure in 
Afghanistan was coming from their own weapons. The effects of 
blast overpressure are terrible, including memory loss, 
increased risk of dementia, and substance abuse problems.
    But despite the severity of these impacts on 
servicemembers' health, when these problems are diagnosed, 
blast exposure is rarely identified as a potential cause. Dr. 
McBirney, you have studied this issue for 15 years now. Why is 
it so difficult to detect when blast overpressure is causing 
the types of symptoms that we are talking about here in our 
servicemembers?
    Dr. McBirney. That is a great question, Senator Warren, and 
a question that so many people within the research community 
are committed to answering. It really comes back to the nature 
of the injury itself.
    We are not looking at an injury that is caused by one 
isolated event. The fact that it is caused by repeated exposure 
to very low level blasts that perhaps might happen throughout 
the course of an entire military career really complicates 
injury recognition.
    Add to that the fact that symptoms typically don't manifest 
immediately, as was mentioned, and it becomes increasingly 
difficult to link symptoms to repeated exposure.
    Senator Warren. So, yes, I just want to say, I want to pick 
up on this, because I think this is a really important point 
about the challenge in trying to diagnose because of the very 
nature of what the injury looks like. It is not a single moment 
in time where this happens. And so, I just want to pick up and 
let's see if we can take this forward.
    We need to know how often, I take it from your testimony--
we need to know how often a servicemember has been exposed to 
blast overpressure, to give medical personnel the information 
that they need to identify and treat the underlying cause of 
their symptoms. Now, so far, the DOD only has blast exposure 
data for a total of 500 servicemembers.
    We are missing data, obviously, for a whole lot more. 
Tracking this information through blast exposure and traumatic 
brain injury logs for all servicemembers would be a good start, 
but we also need to pay special attention to servicemembers 
that are at especially high risk for blast exposure.
    Some military occupational specialties, MOSs, such as 
training instructors, are significantly more likely to be 
exposed to blast during training or operations. The Marine 
Corps found that the artillery community is also at 
particularly high risk and that high rates of exposure could 
lead them, ``to suffering injuries faster than combat 
replacements can be trained to replace them.''
    So, Dr. McBirney, I wanted to give you another chance in 
this is we are trying to push this forward, does DOD currently 
have the strategies it needs to mitigate the risks from blast 
overpressure that are specific to each of the military 
occupational specialties that are most likely to be exposed?
    Dr. McBirney. I can't say I am aware of any of those 
strategies. And in addition to that, a lot of the folks with 
whom I interact on a very regular basis with boots on the 
ground in these communities that are at risk of significant 
exposure are additionally unaware of such strategies.
    Senator Warren. Okay. So, anything more do you want to say 
about what DOD should be doing in this space? I want to make 
sure I have given you a chance here.
    Dr. McBirney. No. Thank you, Senator. I think really Mr. 
Larkin and I were discussing prior to this. I think if my--if I 
could choose the key takeaway for today, it would be to not let 
perfection interfere with progress. I think everyone here is 
looking for the right solution. And what we really want to be 
sure of is that we don't wait too long to implement what we 
think is a perfect solution.
    There is a lot of research that still needs to be done. 
Coming from the research community, I am always a supporter of 
more research. That being said, we can also be looking to 
implement solutions, study said solutions, while they are being 
implemented at the same time.
    Senator Warren. So, let's focus on that for just a second, 
just a little bit more, about the idea of collecting the data 
as we go along, so at least it is a first step in getting the 
information that we need.
    I understand this is a gap that DOD needs to fill, and I 
understand that it is more challenging to limit servicemember 
blast exposure during combat, but there is no excuse for DOD to 
continue to expose servicemembers to unnecessary levels of 
blast overpressure during training. This is obviously an area 
where we could make change, and it is clear that there is a lot 
we need to do to protect our servicemembers from blast 
exposure.
    But DOD, it goes to your point Dr. McBirney, DOD constantly 
says we need more research, we need more research. And I am a 
data nerd. I always want more research, but I am very concerned 
about the idea that we are going to put off treatment.
    So, let me put the question more specifically to you, and 
that is, do you think we know enough now about the risks of 
blast overpressure to servicemembers' health to start taking 
action now?
    Dr. McBirney. In short, absolutely. Yes.
    Senator Warren. All right. So, we do know enough. So, there 
are number of steps DOD could take to help us get more data so 
that we can understand this over time, but more importantly, a 
number of steps they could take right now in terms of 
treatment.
    I have talked long enough so I will come back to you later 
on this, Dr. Zafonte and Mr. Larkin. Senator Scott.
    Senator Scott. Yes. Well, first, Mr. Larkin, I can't 
imagine--having kids and grandkids, I can't imagine lose one. 
So, thank you for your service, your son service and just hope 
as a result, you know, something good happens out of it. 
Somebody--it prevents something else from happening.
    Dr. Zafonte, can you explain what the--the blast, what does 
it do to the brain like this? Like let's say, you know, I go 
shoot a shotgun or doing this stuff, what does it do--each one 
of them, how does it impact my brain?
    Dr. Zafonte. Well, I think, to my colleagues' good point, 
perfection is the enemy of the good. You can criticize all of 
the models, but we know that these sub-concussive injuries do a 
number of different things.
    They probably disproportionately impact areas of the brain 
at gray matter, white matter interfaces. They probably have a 
vascular effect. More likely long term, there is possibly a 
premature aging effect to the brain itself with multiple 
repetitive blast exposures or certainly with traumatic brain 
injury.
    So, lifelong exposure, getting that quantification that 
Senator Warren talked about is critically important because we 
need to know one thing. We need to know in who, how much, what 
were they doing, and then what was the actual phenotype or what 
actually happened to the symptoms of the person, and track that 
very carefully.
    Senator Scott. So, right now, you can get a glucose monitor 
and put all your data in there, and pretty fast you can get a 
correlation, right? So have you had any opportunity to take--
because we know, if you joined the service, we know what blast 
you are going to have in boot camp if you are enlisting--you 
know, enlisted. Is there anybody that is doing anything to just 
say that when you just put all this data on something and then 
just look at the model over a period of time?
    Dr. Zafonte. I think there are a number of groups, 
including our own, looking at blood based biomarkers for 
people, neuroimaging. All of those are critical as we 
understand the exposure and the diagnosis.
    But we also want to know how those things and specific 
lifelong exposures impact the symptoms of the person. Because 
there is not a 1 to 1 relationship. There's a relative 
relationship.
    Senator Scott. If every servicemember, if you had the data 
of--you know, just start today. Just anybody new that joins 
boot camp and starts going through infantry training. If you 
just have the data and you had that in front of you, then over 
time you could do predictive analysis of, you know, where the 
problems are, right?
    Dr. Zafonte. Right, and I think that--but to the point that 
was just raised, I think there are action steps now and that we 
have--we are compelled very much so to make this a living 
learning environment and continue to collect data and perhaps 
change policy, change programs, change how we treat people as 
we understand more over time.
    Senator Scott. So, you don't have enough information today 
exactly what happens as all these blasts happen. What you have 
is, you know, you see the result. You see over a period of time 
that this is what happens. That is what you have so far, right?
    Dr. Zafonte. I think that is right. I think, Senator, what 
we have, and thank you for the excellent question, is a series 
of smaller studies that show changes in your imaging, changes 
in blood based biomarkers, representative of injury of the 
brain. But how it is going to behave in a large population of 
people is one thing. How it is going to behave in Bobby or Sue 
is a very different thing.
    Senator Scott. Right. Okay, and how--so, Dr. McBirney, how 
hard it would be to just put up a program? It wouldn't be that 
hard, would it?
    Dr. McBirney. That is a great question. Unfortunately, one 
that I find myself unqualified to answer.
    Senator Scott. But we do it in a whole bunch of other 
stuff. We do it like with glucose monitors, right. And if you 
gave servicemembers just--you know, just say, here--they all 
have cell phones, right? You just had an app that said, okay, 
so every time you have exposure okay, you put this in. You put 
in exactly what you did and what you shot.
    Some people are not going to do it well, just like no one 
follows their health--you know, they didn't take their 
medicine. But that wouldn't be that hard to do, right? I mean, 
we have all this stuff from sugar levels.
    Why don't we do--I mean, why don't we--why wouldn't that be 
the simplest thing to start doing and then you could start 
seeing that, like--if you could--if you had all that data, you 
could pretty quickly do a predictive analysis of even short 
term problems. Not, you know, it take a long time to say what 
is my 20 year problem, right.
    Dr. Zafonte. Yes, I think following people over decade will 
be valuable. I think we will see certain markers and certain 
things change early on, but we have to remember that it is not 
an uncomplicated story.
    Even the blood based biomarkers or other entities such as 
imaging have a lot of variation within. You know, the brain, I 
think my colleagues would support me, is an incredible 
structure, but it is also a bit of a black box still within 
science, and understanding how different networks 
relationships, how these nodes connect, and an injury in one 
space affects an injury another, that is a challenge.
    Senator Scott. But you would actually know the result. I 
mean, you even though you don't know exactly why, you could 
over time predict what is going to happen.
    Dr. Zafonte. If you are looking for symptomatic, senator, 
prediction I think with a large enough data set, you certainly 
could draw some strong relationships.
    Senator Scott. Right, and then very quickly come back and 
say, okay, we know this. We know that if you have this much, 
you know--the, you know, the odds are like you can go get a 
blood test for cancer now and it is very predictive of whether 
you are going to end up with cancer. Is it perfect? No. I mean 
it depends on the cancer. So, it seems like this would be 
pretty easy to do and it shouldn't be that hard.
    Dr. Zafonte. So, Senator, I would agree with you, but I 
would bring up the issue that we are all individual and 
different people, and these types of injuries affect 
individuals in a different way.
    So, a series of years? worth of exposure is affected by who 
you were beforehand, the kinds of exposures, and then the 
treatment you had afterwards. That produces this result, and 
the fact that it is not so easy to put in a box.
    Senator Scott. Right. Okay. Senator Hirono.
    [Technical problems.]
    Senator Hirono. I call myself for 5 minutes--[technical 
problems]. There are a lot of our servicemembers who were 
exposed to IEDs during the tenure in Afghanistan and Iraq. So, 
are you tracking these servicemembers? Most of them probably 
are in veteran status. Are you tracking them for exposure to 
blasts and what is happening to them? Anybody?
    Mr. Larkin. So, I used to be a senior leader within the 
Department of Defense running the Joint IED Field Organization, 
JIEDO. I can tell you that it was a concern as far back as 
2008, 2009, that these blast exposures were creating a unique 
health risk to our warriors.
    We had gotten to the point where we had up armored and 
created new armored vehicles that were surviving the blast, but 
what got in that vehicle and what came out of that vehicle were 
two different states, and it alerted us to the fact that there 
were things--that blast effect was having an effect on the 
human body that needed to be studied and researched.
    So, as far as you know, having a handle on--unless there 
was a catastrophic injury and usually one that was visible, at 
the time, if they--a lot of these folks came out of these 
vehicles, and they looked fairly normal.
    Senator Hirono. Yes.
    Mr. Larkin. It wasn't until time evolved that we started to 
see the behavioral changes, cognitive dysfunction, and so 
forth. I have no knowledge of whether anybody attempted to 
formally collect on that data and do anything with it.
    Senator Hirono. I think that is an important kind of 
followup as we try to understand what the impact of these 
blasts are long term. Also, I would think that--I mean, it is 
bad enough that there is traumatic brain injury that needs to 
be followed up on, but I would think that a lot of them may 
develop conditions such as ringing in the ears. Yes, so, Dr. 
Zafonte.
    Mr. Larkin. Thank you very much, Senator, for the excellent 
point. I think we have long term sequelae for people such as 
tinnitus or ringing in the ear, chronic headaches.
    Senator Hirono. Yes.
    Dr. Zafonte. Pain is a big driver that drives not only a 
headache or one's immediate perception, but it also invades 
behavior. People who are in pain don't behave the same way, and 
they don't cognitively perform the same way.
    So, what I am saying is that blast has a multi-system 
effect. Of course, the brain is our principal and driving 
concern, but it has effects in things that are linked to the 
brain, linked to the behavior that we need to know more about.
    Senator Hirono. Well, for example, tinnitus--that doesn't 
cause pain, but it is severely annoying. It can be 
debilitating. I don't know whether you are--it sounds as though 
you are also tracking the incidence of these kinds of issues, 
and it is something I am very familiar with, and there seems to 
be no cure for these conditions.
    I am very interested to know what kind of breakthroughs 
there are in treatment--I know that tinnitus is the disease, 
and tinnitus is a ringing that's not related to any problem 
with the ears. So, is that something that you all are also 
studying, tracking?
    Mr. Larkin. Senator, all I can tell you is that I have it 
from the use of explosives and weapons.
    Senator Hirono. You have it?
    Mr. Larkin. It doesn't go away.
    Senator Hirono. I know.
    Mr. Larkin. It is just--I have to live with it.
    Senator Hirono. Me too. It is very annoying. Sometimes it 
is so loud that it interferes with sleeping. So that is--I 
think that there are a lot more of our servicemembers who have 
endured or are enduring those conditions that we have to pay 
attention to. One more question.
    A 2023 RAND report noted that there is a critical gap in 
effective PPE in that most models represent the average human 
male. So is that--and this is for Dr. McBirney. It is certainly 
important that we protect--provide protective equipment to all 
of our servicemembers.
    So how can we make sure that this kind of protective 
equipment is also--is appropriate for women. Is that happening?
    Dr. McBirney. That is a great question, a very important 
topic, and it is happening. So those findings were from the 
last State of the science meeting that we had on blast induced 
injury, and we were happy to learn that there is quite a bit of 
research being done in the community to make sure that the 
average male, and specifically in many instances the average 
Caucasian male, is not the only subject that is being used to 
test equipment.
    Senator Hirono. Yes. That is very important. Thank you. 
Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Senator Warren. Thank you. Senator Ernst.
    Senator Ernst. Thank you very much, and good afternoon. I 
would like to thank you, Chairwoman, for the invitation to 
participate in this Subcommittee today. It is a very important 
discussion that we are having about the impact on our 
servicemembers and their families.
    Traumatic brain injuries can arise not only from the combat 
deployments, but also from those routine training exercises 
that our men and women go through every single day. Even when 
they are adhering to safety standards and established safety 
guidelines, the act of firing heavy weapons, just as you 
stated, Mr. Larkin, can create those long term effects.
    Other types of training sessions in preparation for combat 
deployments, many of these things can potentially lead to 
cognitive impairments affecting our function. Mr. Larkin, I 
understand that you shared the story about your son, Ryan.
    I want to thank you so much for your service as a Navy SEAL 
and your son's service as a Navy SEAL. It was through Mr. 
Larkin, through Frank sharing his son's story with me many 
years ago that I finally understood the need to be involved 
with traumatic brain injuries.
    So, thank you so much for sharing what is a very difficult 
story to tell, but one that is incredibly important for every 
young man and woman that puts on the uniform of our Nation. So, 
thank you for that. Mr. Larkin, did you share with the 
Subcommittee then how it was discovered that your son Ryan had 
traumatic brain injury?
    Mr. Larkin. Thank you for the question, Senator, and thank 
you for your comments. Ryan had expressed his desire that if 
anything ever happened to him, he wanted his body and his brain 
donated for traumatic brain injury breacher syndrome research.
    That subsequently was done, and his brain was donated to an 
activity at Bethesda, Walter Reed that postmortem analysis 
revealed that he had an undiagnosed microscopic level of brain 
injury that was uniquely aligned with blast exposure. They only 
see this pattern of injury with blast exposure.
    If we had not gotten that finding, the narrative that the 
Navy had built around Ryan and his struggle, and his subsequent 
passing would have continued on--would continue to have damaged 
his reputation. But this finding was indisputable that he was 
injured. He was not, in his terms, crazy.
    Senator Ernst. Exactly, Mr. Larkin, and I just want 
everyone to understand that so many of these injuries go 
undetected through CAT scans, through MRI's, PET scans.
    As a followup to that then, and I am very grateful that 
Ryan had chosen to do that because you would not have known 
about those injuries otherwise, but then for you, and Dr. 
Zafonte--is that right?
    I want to make sure I get it correct, Dr. Zafonte, is the 
automated neuropsychological assessment metrics, the ANAM test 
that is used by the DOD, an accurate method of detecting those 
changes in cognition that can lead to a TBI diagnosis?
    Dr. Zafonte. Senator, thank you for the excellent question. 
I think we are searching for a gold standard. A number of these 
measures, including the ANAM, have significant flaws in them.
    Everything from the way they are administered, to 
challenges on their consistency and internal behavior within an 
individual and external to other individuals. So, while it is 
an interesting screening tool, it is far from perfect.
    Senator Ernst. Yes, and that is why I hope we continue to 
work toward alternatives or ways that we find that gold 
standard. That is something that this Subcommittee is working 
on. You have spoken a little bit about wearable devices as well 
that might be able to diagnose a TBI or blast exposure.
    All of these things require research, development, 
recommendations. Are you confident that we can get to a point 
where you are able to make recommendations to Congress, to DOD, 
that will provide us a path forward in protecting these men and 
women. Any thoughts--yes, Dr. Zafonte.
    Dr. Zafonte. Thank you, Senator, for your excellent 
question. I would say, and I think my good colleague said this 
before, perfection is the enemy of the good. There are things 
we know to do now, and as we learn more, we should do better.
    I think if we act and think our responsibilities to make 
this a dynamic, learning, positive environment for our 
servicemembers, we can do things now while evaluating data and 
really making positive change in the future.
    I think we are going to learn that there is a lot more of 
that microscopic injury than we had ever believed, and then in 
certain people, that is going to have some significant sequelae 
over time.
    Senator Ernst. Thank you, Dr. Zafonte, and I believe you 
are absolutely correct. I think there are a lot more 
servicemembers out there that have sustained various micro 
tears or injuries to their brain. I was reminded of this quote 
not too long ago, and it's an old one, so forgive me, but if 
the human brain were so simple, we could understand it, we 
would be so simple we couldn't.
    Just let that sink in, because I think we are always going 
to be striving to find the answer that we need when it comes to 
traumatic brain injury. We may never reach that 100 percent 
solution just because of the dynamics of this incredible organ, 
but it doesn't mean we should just let it go. There are 
absolute, disruptions to families, just as we have heard from 
Mr. Larkin.
    It is incredibly important that we pursue not only ways to 
prevent traumatic brain injury, but that we also find ways if 
it does occur and we won't be able to prevent it in 100 percent 
of cases, but if it is to occur, we need to find ways to treat 
it and mitigate the impact to our families.
    So, thank you again, Chairwoman. I really appreciate the 
opportunity to be here today.
    Senator Warren. So, I just want to say a very special thank 
you to you. Senator Ernst, Senator Ernst is not on this 
Subcommittee.
    Like many in the Senate, she has an absolutely packed 
schedule, but she has been engaged for years now on the issues 
around traumatic brain injury and working toward changes in the 
law, both for the documentation that will lead us to better 
diagnoses and also for the resources to begin treatment now for 
those who need it.
    She wanted to be here with us today, and I appreciate your 
coming and doing this. Thank you. Thank you, Senator Kaine.
    Senator Kaine. Thank you, Chair Warren, and to the 
Subcommittee for having this hearing. It is really important, 
and I am just going to ask the same question of both panels. 
So, I just have one question and I would love to get your take, 
and I will ask the same question to the second panel.
    We are not the only country that employs weapons that can 
have these effects on servicemembers' brain health. So, what 
have we learned or what can we learn from the experience of 
other nations and their militaries, either about strategies to 
prevent or strategies to treat?
    Mr. Larkin. Senator, again, in my role as a senior leader 
of the Joint IED Defeat Organization at DOD, back during the 
height of Iraq and Afghanistan, this was not a United States 
only problem.
    You know, we were very much in the trenches with our NATO 
allies, Five Eyes partners, who were all experiencing the same 
challenges with maneuvering on the battlefield because the IED 
had paralyzed our movement and the IED was the weapon system 
the enemy used against us that literally brought home all the 
casualties and fatalities of those two conflicts and Africa.
    If we don't bridge communications with those countries as 
we try to solve this problem, we are missing a big part of it. 
They have a great data. They are as concerned about what we are 
talking about as we are.
    I think that really we need unsolicited--we need a gyro 
like task force to bring together the Government, industry, 
academia, and our foreign partners for a unity of effort to 
match the data, the intellectual capability, and our technology 
to solve this.
    We can solve it. It is just that we have different ad hoc 
efforts going on right now. They are not coordinated. We are 
handicapped by a lack of data sharing, and like I said, we got 
to get everybody on--in the same----
    Senator Kaine. Even within our own family. I know this 
panel too has DOD, but not VA. I mean, I am I know in the 
Richmond, VA, this is a very high priority. So, sharing within 
our family certainly, but with our allies who have the same 
experience is really important. Dr. McBirney or Dr. Zafonte, do 
you want to add to that at all?
    Dr. McBirney. Sure. No, thank you for the question, 
Senator, and it is an excellent one. One consideration that I 
know some of our allies are considering at this time, and it 
was published in a report in 2018 by the Center for a New 
American Security, is reviewing and updating firing limits for 
a lot of these weapon systems.
    Those firing limits haven't necessarily been revisited in 
some time. In my written testimony, there is a direct quotation 
from that CNS report in 2018 that details exactly what 
information to revisit in these weapon systems manuals, and 
perhaps consider updating to really get at mitigating exposure 
that our servicemembers experience in training in particular.
    Senator Kaine. Dr. Zafonte.
    Dr. Zafonte. Senator, thank you for the great question, and 
I agree with the comments of my esteemed colleagues. I would 
add just one other thing, you are completely right. There is 
power in numbers. There is power in togetherness. There is 
power in the opportunity to discover and serve our allies 
throughout the world.
    I would advocate for common data elements, common data sets 
that go across our allies as we think about these kinds of 
exposures and the kind of long term sequelae, both immediate, 
what does somebody feel now, and then what do they experience 
years later. Those kinds of things would be incredibly 
important and doable in many other health systems.
    Senator Kaine. Thank you very much. I yield back.
    Senator Warren. Thank you. Very important. Senator 
Sullivan.
    Senator Sullivan. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you and 
Senator Scott for holding this hearing. I think it is a really 
important one, and I want to thank the witnesses for their 
attention to these really important issues for our military.
    So, I got here a little bit late, so if this has already 
been discussed, bear with me, but I want to dig into this New 
York Times article from November 2023 entitled, A Secret 
Strange--Secret War, Strange New Wounds, and Silence from the 
Pentagon. This was about the marines in Syria deployed in Syria 
in 2016 and 2017.
    They returned and really struggled with PTSD issues and 
health issues, and it wasn't from direct combat. I mean, they 
were in combat, but it was primarily from there, it appears, 
really significant amount of firing howitzer rounds.
    Kind of to Senator Kaine's point, we have had military 
members in different wars, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, of course, 
fire thousands and thousands of howitzer rounds. But so, we 
have seen this before, but these marines seem to really have 
struggled. Have you--either of you read this report or this 
story? Okay.
    Senators Warren, and Ernst, and Tillis on January 18th, 
letter to Secretary Austin asked him a lot of specific 
questions relating to this and other issues that relate to TBI. 
But this is a kind of a different TBI.
    So, sometimes I worry, you know, I just retired from the 
Marine Corps myself, and I love the Marine Corps. But, you 
know, like all big organizations, they can be bureaucratic, and 
I am not sure these marines are treated very well. I am 
wondering, from your experience, maybe we will start with you, 
Dr. Zafonte, what is your assessment of that report? Was well 
done reporting, in my view, from the New York Times.
    What do you think the next steps should be? Obviously, we 
will ask the Government witnesses in the next panel on this 
topic but would just like to get your assessment from this 
particular episode. A lot of my constituents in Alaska wrote--
read this article and were quite disturbed by it.
    We don't even have a big Marine Corps presence in my State, 
but big Army and Air Force presence. So, can--I would like all 
of you to just comment on what your thoughts were and then what 
we can do--you know, if the marines haven't seen this, you can 
see how they could overlook it, but we--I think this needs a 
much deeper dive than the military has given it.
    To the Chairman's credit and some other senators are 
already pressing Secretary Austin on it. So, what are your 
thoughts on it?
    Dr. Zafonte. Senator, thank you for the excellent point and 
question. From my perspective, I think that the piece brought 
up a series of issues. It really took the cover off of some 
things and made them more public in some ways.
    It talked about many of the long term sequelae, near term 
and long term, that are being seen clinically in this 
population of people. Now, these are extreme individuals, many 
of them. They are the 1 percent of the 1 percent. They are the 
fittest, the swiftest, and yet they are seeing clinically 
apparent problems. There are also, in many ways, the most 
resilient. They are selected many times.
    So that raises for me some real concerns. It may be related 
to the density of the exposure. It may be related to the 
lifelong exposure, and it may be related to a global elements 
of the life in that kind of stress for a significant period of 
time.
    So, I think we need to learn a lot more about the long term 
issues here and the short term ones, and I think part of the 
way we do that is better quantifying the exposure and the 
person over time.
    Senator Sullivan. Great. Doctor McBirney, do you have a 
view on this?
    Dr. McBirney. Absolutely. No, and thank you for raising 
this. I thought that New York Times article was very well 
written and well investigated and reported. I think----
    Senator Sullivan. By the way, just for the record, I don't 
believe everything at the New York Times writes.
    [Laughter.]
    Dr. McBirney. Certainly.
    Senator Sullivan. So, Senator Warren might--no, I am just 
kidding. But so, I am sure the marines had some points in there 
that probably weren't reported, or I am not saying it was a 
perfect piece, but it raised an important issue. These young 
men, to Dr. Zafonte's point, these are, my view, the best of 
what we have in America. We certainly, you know, we need to 
take care of them.
    Dr. McBirney. Absolutely, agreed. I think the one of the 
main takeaways for me when I read that article was the fact 
that there is a culture that is pervasive across the DOD, 
unfortunately, that really contributes to this underreporting 
that we see of injuries. I think the way that these men were 
treated is indicative of this culture and the fear that a lot 
of servicemembers have when it comes to reporting injuries.
    There have been many studies done on the underreporting of 
traumatic brain injury. There are a variety of reasons that 
servicemembers don't report injuries. But fear of negative 
repercussions on their military career is certainly a huge one. 
So, I think when I read that New York Times article in the 
series of articles, that is really what came to my mind, is a 
culture that needs changing if we hope to improve this.
    Senator Sullivan. Yes, and, Mr. Larkin, real quick. Sorry, 
Madam Chair. You know, there--and I don't know if you have a 
view on this, but we have had many wars with many thousands and 
thousands of artillery rounds fired. I had an 81 millimeter 
mortar platoon for 2 years on Active Duty, my marines.
    We fired, you know, all kinds of 81 millimeter mortar. That 
is not as big as these howitzers, but it is a big mortar, and, 
you know, you feel it when you are firing those, and your ears 
hurt when you don't have your ear protection on because it is 
so loud.
    But what is your sense on how we need to look at this, that 
article, but compare it to other wars where we have shot 
thousands and thousands and thousands of rounds.
    Mr. Larkin. So, you know, if I am going to put my money, it 
is going to be on the preventative end as much as we can to by 
down these injuries. But I completely agree with Dr. McBirney, 
the issue here is about trust.
    You know, you are not going to get in reporting unless 
there is trust that is built between that operator or that 
warrior and the system. We have collected blast data on--in a 
variety of different efforts----
    Senator Sullivan. On artillery too?
    Mr. Larkin. Just in, you know, a variety of different 
settings where blast gauges and so forth have been worn by our 
warriors. We have no idea where that data has gone. So again, 
it never comes back to the warfighter like a dosimeter would 
for radiation.
    So, they say, well, you know, we wear these things, but we 
don't hear anything back. One of the things, and it might be a 
novel idea I offer, is, you know, when we procure and acquire 
weapons systems and munitions, why don't we ask those 
manufacturers to provide us with blast overpressure data 
according to strict criteria that they all have to follow, that 
ultimately will allow us to craft training protocols and 
potentially surveillance programs for the more high risk 
occupation.
    But again, we have been calling this by a different name 
coming off the battlefield since WWI, and it all has rested in 
psychiatric mental health diagnosis, and we are now starting to 
realize this is a biological injury caused by blast 
overpressure.
    Senator Sullivan. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Senator Warren. Thank you. I have another round of 
questions that I want to do. I know Senator Scott does. If 
anyone else does, we are glad to do it. But I want to pick up 
on what Mr. Larkin was just talking about, and that is trust. 
That servicemembers who have been affected by blast 
overpressure aren't getting the help they need.
    The question is, why not? I will go back to The New York 
Times article because it does give us some on the ground 
anecdotes that people are experiencing. So, a Marine Corps 
officer who is leading an artillery unit was quoted in this 
story saying that he was experiencing severe headaches and 
small seizures but, ``was worried that his injuries would not 
be acknowledged because there was no documentation that he was 
exposed to anything serious.''
    Now, we have talked some about the importance of record 
keeping and how that could fundamentally change what happens in 
this area, but I want to talk about where we are right now and 
the consequences of the failure to diagnose early and what that 
means. Mr. Larkin, you are the one who has focused on this more 
than anyone.
    I think you said in your written testimony that you 
estimate that about 80 percent of your son's exposure occurred 
during training. Is that right? That is what I understood.
    Mr. Larkin. Yes, Senator. If you talk to other veterans 
that have trained for combat, been in combat, they will pretty 
much confirm that the majority of their exposures is in the 
training environment, an environment that we can control.
    Senator Warren. So, if I can ask you, we know about what 
happened to Ryan because he donated his brain postmortem, and 
they were able to do an analysis. But can you speak to what 
happened when Ryan was still alive, and whether you and your 
family got the appropriate support that Ryan needed, as he 
clearly demonstrated that he was in increasing trouble?
    Mr. Larkin. So, one thing I didn't share about Ryan is that 
after he passed, what we found on his computer were--he 
downloaded numerous studies on blast exposure and TBI and also 
was researching the medications that he got. So, he was locked 
on this. I didn't like what he did. I didn't support what he 
did. But I have grown to understand why he did it. It was for 
his teammates. He was going to prove that something was wrong. 
Now, when he went to get help, he did it more for his teammates 
than himself.
    But again, you know, we didn't know what we didn't know. I 
think a lot of people were trying to do their best for him, the 
best that they could, but maybe all the wrong way, and because 
we lacked the science, we lacked the knowledge. TBI was not 
mentioned--I mean, very little. It was not taken seriously 
because they couldn't see it.
    We still can't see this level of injury in a living 
operator or living warfighter, which is--again within the 
medical enterprise, if you don't have a blood marker that 
alerts you, you know, just like a, you know, heart attack, we 
look at heart, you know, enzymes and so forth, that alert us 
that, hey, there is muscle damage and we see an EKG that tells 
us that, you know, things are going wrong.
    But then when the heart--we don't have that right now, and 
it handicaps our ability to triage these folks early on in the 
evolution, to your point. The opportunity here, and I don't 
know if my colleagues would agree with me, but the opportunity 
that we have here is to get it at this early, not wait till it 
gets to a catastrophic, you know, point, you know, this disease 
process, the injury process where things have gone too far.
    Senator Warren. So let me just pick up on this. I 
understand that this is hard to diagnose and that it is--we 
collect data that will be one way to make it easier to 
diagnose. I understand we would like to start as early in the 
process as we can. But there is another feature of this that we 
have some control over right now, that when someone has any 
concern, who is the advocate to make sure they get the help 
they need?
    My sense of this is it is just a patchwork. You go here, 
you get sent there, then you end up someplace else, and the 
patient is put in the position of having to advocate for a 
diagnosis, that it is not the patient's responsibility or 
expertise to have to make. I am grateful that Ryan did what he 
did in order to help his teammates. But ultimately, we have a 
bigger responsibility here.
    So, I just want to know if you can speak just a little bit 
to the notion that starting now, before we have perfect 
information, that we need a single way for people to go into 
this system, to be able to raise a hand, say, I have problems 
like the Marine that is quoted in The New York Times piece. I 
have problems and know there will be one person there who will 
advocate and at least get them to the best possible treatment 
that we can. Can you speak to that, Mr. Larkin?
    Mr. Larkin. Yes, and I think the No. 1 word that I would 
pick out is listen. The system needs to listen to these folks 
as they step forward.
    You know, and we need to understand this is a leadership 
problem, and we need to educate leadership as to what is going 
on here so that they can properly usher these folks down the 
right paths, so that we can stop their injury process and that 
we can start a level of treatment that one size fits one, not 
one size fits all, you know, which is precision medicine. I 
think as the science develops, as our medical capabilities 
develop, we are going to get better and better at doing that.
    But again, Ryan became disenfranchised. He became, you 
know, adversarial because the system turned on him, a system 
that he depended on, a system I depended on. This was my 
community, too, and so, this is why I am here today, and I 
realize this isn't in a perfect world, but you know, the 
ultimate grader of what we do or not do are the veterans, the 
warfighters, and their families. Are we doing the right thing 
for them?
    Senator Warren. Yes. Yes. I very much appreciate that and 
appreciate your comments here. If I can, I want to go to the 
treatment part of this. Dr. Zafonte, you work at Home Base, and 
Home Base tries to be the one place that brings people in and 
gives a response.
    That is on the side of our servicemember, not hostile to 
our servicemember. You are on the front lines. You see people 
with TBI every day. Can you talk just a little bit about how 
Home Base has organized itself, and what you are seeing, and 
what kind of needs you have?
    Dr. Zafonte. Well, Senator, thank you for the excellent 
question. I think we see ourselves as a partner with DOD, and 
that we are auxiliary in an important and differential way.
    That we take a look at the whole person, and what we try to 
understand is that, you know, I think Mr. Larkin captured it 
brilliantly, somebody is not just a psychological illness, but 
we bring multiple specialists to bear on this person for a very 
intense evaluation that might take, as I said, months or years 
in a standard environment, and try to emerge them in a team 
based behavior where we listen to the patients and we develop a 
programmatic plan to treat.
    If we can't treat the microscopic injury right away, let's 
treat their symptoms and get them relatively well.
    Senator Warren. I am so proud of the work that Home Base 
does, and I really want to underscore the importance--there is 
help. There are things we can do, and I take it, if I can just 
have you underscore it again, Dr. Zafonte, you actually return 
people to Active Duty military service. Can you say just a 
little more about that?
    Dr. Zafonte. I am happy to. Thank you, Senator. I think one 
of the most extraordinary things, especially for our special 
operators, is the very high degree of return to duty, return to 
the force, return to fighting. Because if you think about it as 
a person, that is what they want to do.
    They want to be well and go back to their teammates and 
contribute at a very high level, and indeed, that is the goal. 
The goal is being able to give people agency over their own 
health again, and that is what we do.
    Very high rates of return. Large numbers of people still 
waiting for service, which we hope to provide. I think that we 
see this as a means of enhancing programmatic excellence and 
serving as that bridge for mid-career, early career people who 
really need a bolus of help.
    Senator Warren. Early and accurate intervention, which I 
think is the point you make as well, Mr. Larkin and Dr 
McBirney. I appreciate the work you do. Thank you. Senator 
Scott.
    Senator Scott. Thank you, Chairwoman. Dr. Zafonte, NFL 
players are wearing--some of them are wearing the Q collar.
    Dr. Zafonte. Yes, sir.
    Senator Scott. Okay, can you tell me how it works and what 
you think of it?
    Dr. Zafonte. Thank you very much, Senator, for that 
excellent question. It is an area of debate that is certainly 
of interest in the field of traumatic brain injury. The theory 
behind the Q collar is that a compression here at the neck, 
slight compression, would result in less force shaking within 
the brain.
    Its role in blast related injury, I believe, unless Dr. 
McBirney has more data, is unclear. In sport related injury, it 
has received preliminary approval, although the enthusiasm in 
many investigators is modest.
    Senator Scott. Okay. All right. Knowing what you all know 
now, knowing the service is the service--so if you had a child 
or grandchild that was 18 years old, wants to be a warfighter, 
enlist in the, whatever, what would your advice be to him? You 
want to start, Dr. McBirney?
    Dr. McBirney. Is not enlisting an option? I mean that as a 
serious question. Traumatic brain injury is such--there is such 
a huge risk of getting this injury. As we have heard today, 
detection of this injury, treatment of this injury is not 
guaranteed.
    I would--in sitting here, I now have a 14 month old 
daughter, so this question is very relevant. I would strongly 
urge her to reconsider her decision. Unfortunately, that is a 
decision that I know many veterans that I personally know have 
asked their children to reconsider as well.
    Senator Scott. Mr. Larkin.
    Mr. Larkin. So, Ryan is with me here today in spirit, and 
much of what I am saying is actually him talking through me. He 
would tell you he loved being a SEAL and he wouldn't trade 
anything. It is just that we got to do it better.
    I will say that my own Naval Special Warfare community, the 
SEAL community, Ryan's story has deeply affected them, and they 
have moved aggressively to try to make a difference, along with 
the parent Command, USSOCOM, right up to the Commanding 
General. They are leading the way, in my opinion, within the 
Department of Defense.
    Very often, you know, what Special Operations does, the 
conventional forces follow. So, thanks, Ryan.
    Senator Scott. Dr. Zafonte.
    Dr. Zafonte. Certainly, I think this is a point of great 
debate. But I guess what I would say, and we see this in 
contact sport, we see it in the military. The first we can do 
is know what we know to do now, which is eliminate unnecessary 
exposure. Rules changes in sports have made a big difference.
    I believe we can eliminate unnecessary exposure in this 
population of people where there isn't a lot of return on 
investment, either to their training or for their long term 
health, or for their team members. That would be an awfully 
good place to start in enhancing force health.
    Senator Scott. Thank all of you. I mean, I don't think--if 
we care about our freedoms, we actually don't have a choice. We 
don't have a choice. We have to thank God every day somebody is 
willing to put on the uniform, because if we get to a point 
where people say there is too much risk, then say goodbye to 
all of our liberties.
    So, I hope we get to the point where, you know, nobody 
would say you shouldn't go in because of the risk. So, thank 
you.
    Senator Warren. Senator King.
    Senator King. Just a closing comment on that question, 
Senator Scott, you know, thinking about what you would say to 
your kid. One of my three kids is a Marine who was an 8-year 
infantry commander, now a Marine reservist, and keep thinking 
about him and how he might answer that question.
    But as I think about the question, let me just recount an 
amazing story that I heard not long ago from Doug Wilder, who 
is the former Governor of Virginia, first African American 
elected Governor.
    He was drafted into the military in the Korean War, and the 
military, like society at that time, was still dealing with an 
awful lot of racial prejudice. He was in a unit where there 
were many African Americans, many Caucasians, and others. And 
Doug is a guy who is going to stand up for himself.
    He had a commanding officer that said, I want everybody 
here to be treated fairly, and he believed, as did others in 
his unit, in the middle of some really difficult battle 
circumstances--the African Americans in the unit were not being 
treated well and they all agreed they were going to talk to 
their CO and pass that on. When they all stood up to do it, 
they all just said to Doug, okay, now you do it, and so, he 
laid out his concerns about the way they were being treated.
    His commanding officer said, you have done what I asked you 
to do. Now you all go back to work and let me do what I need to 
do, and things didn't change for about 3 or 4 weeks, and then 
all of a sudden 1 day everything changed because he did what he 
was supposed to do. He stood up and he said, this isn't right, 
and we are a unit, and if we make some changes, things can be 
better.
    I would hope that people grappling with the decision, maybe 
your daughter might be in this position 17.5 years from now, 
but people grappling with the decision will realize things 
don't just get better, you know, by themselves. Things don't 
just change by osmosis. It takes people at all levels from the, 
you know, private first class all the way up to a four star 
standing up and saying, we will be better if we make these 
changes.
    I think an awful lot of our young people, or people at all 
ages, but I think a lot of our young people have a lot of 
wisdom to offer. I would hope that they might still say, yes, I 
am doing this, and I am also going to be committed to speaking 
up if I see areas where we can be better. Thank you.
    Senator Warren. Thank you, Senator Kaine. I will be calling 
on you, as we are doing the NDAA, both to tighten up the rules 
on reporting and get more resources into treatment. That surely 
has to come out of a hearing like this.
    So, thank you. Thank you all for being with us today. I 
would like to call up the second panel. Thank you. All right, 
are we ready? Secretary Martinez Lopez, if you can give us an 
opening statement, please.

   JOINT STATEMENT OF HON. LESTER MARTINEZ-LOPEZ, ASSISTANT 
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR HEALTH AFFAIRS, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE; 
    KATHY M. LEE, DIRECTOR, WARFIGHTER BRAIN HEALTH POLICY, 
  DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE; AND CAPTAIN CARLOS D. WILLIAMS, USN, 
        DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INTREPID CENTER OF EXCELLENCE

    Dr. Martinez Lopez. Chairwoman Warren, Ranking Member 
Scott, distinguished Members of the Senate Armed Services 
Committee, we are pleased to represent the Office of the 
Secretary of Defense to discuss the Department of Defense's 
commitment to address warfighter brain health issues and 
initiatives.
    We are honored to represent the dedicated military and 
civilian medical professionals and the military health system 
providing support to our combatant commanders and delivering or 
arranging health care for our 9.6 million beneficiaries.
    We will inform the Committee about the Department's 
initiatives to understand the causes and impact of brain 
injuries and blast exposures, support ongoing training of 
medical professionals, inform the development of treatment 
protocols, and improve the cognitive and physical performance 
of our servicemembers.
    The Department of Defense's primary mission is to defend 
the Nation. Fulfilling this mission means warfighters need the 
ability to make expedient and effective decisions on the 
battlefield.
    Promoting brain health enables our effectiveness as a 
fighting force operationally, and mitigating the impact of 
traumatic brain injury in all its form is a top priority of DOD 
as we focus on near and long term health care of our 
servicemembers.
    In support of these priorities, the DOD established a joint 
effort between the operational and medical forces called the 
Warfighter Brain Health Initiative. This initiative was 
finalized in 2022 to codify a policy and direction in support 
of unified efforts across the military to address TBI and blast 
overpressure.
    The Warfighter Brain Health Initiative focuses on cognitive 
and physical performance, identification of known and emerging 
brain threats in military environments, and methods to 
immediately detect and treat brain injury. The WBHI Initiative 
is an important organizing function for our Department wide 
efforts to address brain injury and related diagnosis, such as 
PTSD and suicide.
    Between 2000 and 2023, 485,553 servicemembers were 
diagnosed with TBI. The annual members of TBI grew from just 
above 10,000 per year in 2000, to a peak of 33,000 per year in 
2011. The DOD responded to this increasing rate of TBI in 
combat during Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring 
Freedom through rapid expansion of TBI clinical care and 
research to support military forces around the globe.
    We recognize, however, that more research and insight is 
needed in both the care and research dimensions to better 
understand the risk, how to protect the warfighters, and how to 
treat brain injuries more effectively.
    Our strategic approach to this issue is an iterative one 
involving policy to coordinate clinical changes and gab driven 
research investment. When policies work, we look at how to 
refine for broader effectiveness. When they do not work as 
expected, we review why and modify them to invest in research 
to advance alternative solutions.
    With that overarching policy mindset, we hope to discuss 
that we see as pivotal actions, research findings and their 
impact on our current approach as implemented within the WBHI. 
We communicate these insights not because we believe they are 
foolproof solution. Rather, enable collective action through 
shared knowledge.
    We know there is still much to learn about the brain and 
not everybody responds in the same way to similar exposures or 
injuries. We seek to integrate solutions for the future as we 
provide recommendations to inform and affect change to safety, 
doctrine, and policy. This mission is more both personal and 
professional.
    As providers, researchers, and military leaders, we are 
committed to mitigating the risk of and improving the treatment 
for BOP exposures and TBI. We appreciate your continued support 
of military medicine, and for inviting us to be here with you 
today to discuss the important issues surrounding the brain 
health of our warfighters.
    We thank Senator Warren, Senator Scott, and the members of 
the Subcommittee for leading continued congressional attention 
on blast exposures and brain injuries, and we look forward to 
your questions.
    [The prepared joint statement of Dr. Martinez Lopez, Ms. 
Lee, and Mr. Williams follows:]
      
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    Senator Warren. Thank you very much. I appreciate it, Dr. 
Martinez. So, I appreciate that DOD has begun to take steps 
toward mitigating the risks associated with traumatic brain 
injury.
    Starting this year, new troops will be given regular 
cognitive assessments to help monitor potential impacts from 
blast exposure on their brain health. This will help medical 
providers recognize brain injuries and changes in cognitive 
function more quickly, and it will help servicemembers get the 
clinical help that they need. I am glad that DOD is taking this 
critical step, but it is important that we do this right.
    Captain Williams, your organization, the National Intrepid 
Center of Excellence, works with servicemembers with TBIs and 
other invisible wounds of war. As you know, one of the--and we 
have discussed here repeatedly today, one of the most 
significant ways that troops are exposed to blast overpressure 
is through training.
    To ensure that we are accurately monitoring the impact of 
blast exposure on servicemembers' brain health, would it be 
helpful to give a cognitive test before the servicemember 
begins training and firing weapons?
    Captain Williams. Thanks, Senator, for the question, and 
thank you for the opportunity to talk about this important 
issue. Absolutely, yes. Let me start out by saying yes, it is 
critically important.
    Baselining is something that we utilize in all aspects of 
medicine for surveillance. We utilize it prior to treatment, 
utilize prior to modals that we know cause risk. So, we have 
moved to now--this year, we hope to move to, all members, once 
they join the military and before they start the initial 
military training, they get cognitive testing.
    They get cognitive testing, because we know that the 
highest risk of TBIs in the military are in the training 
environment, and so, it would be valuable. We wanted to use the 
same precision medicine we have been using in the past for 
other modalities, that we do with TBI.
    Senator Warren. Okay. So, if the baseline assessment is not 
starting until after training, that is not an accurate measure 
of the servicemember's brain health changes over time. We are 
going to miss the front end of this, and as we have talked 
about the importance of isolating the problem early is 
absolutely critical.
    So, to make sure that we are able to detect signs of 
cognitive decline due to blast exposure, we have got to do this 
assessment before the training starts. Second thing, we also 
need to do regular tests of servicemembers' cognitive health 
after the baseline assessment. While Special Operations Command 
will conduct these tests every 3 years, DOD is currently 
planning to retest troops only every 5 years.
    Dr. Martinez, you are responsible for assessing the effects 
of and improving how DOD tracks blast pressure exposure. Would 
annual cognitive testing for servicemembers help increase the 
chance that we detect changes in cognitive function and detect 
them earlier when intervention would be more effective?
    Dr. Martinez Lopez. Ma'am, the--as the Department, we are 
looking into this. I think if there is value into doing it 
every year, we don't know. So, maybe 3 years, maybe 5 years. 
There is more data and more science that we need to look into. 
I am not looking at 10 year research.
    I am looking at short term research to figure out what 
would be the best frequency of doing the test. Not only that, 
but what kind of other testing we should add to the battery to 
assess the condition of the soldiers--the servicemembers.
    Senator Warren. So, I just want to say I feel a little bit 
frustrated here that Special Operations Command already clearly 
says 5 years is not enough. They are at three. Frankly, until 
we have better data, I don't know why we wouldn't be saying, 
let's do an annual test and see what we can detect.
    If the data show us that 3 years is often enough interval 
to be able to detect changes, that is fine. But it seems to me, 
given what else we know, and given how catastrophic the 
implications of untreated TBI can be, that we ought to be 
erring on the side at least of collecting these data annually. 
So, I really want to push on this, waiting 5 years to test is 
just not often enough.
    Another way that DOD needs to show that it is serious about 
protecting servicemembers from blast overpressure is by 
establishing effective weapon use safety limits. We had some 
conversation about this earlier. In 2022, DOD directed the 
services to establish a maximum allowable number of rounds for 
servicemembers to fire to mitigate blast overpressure injury 
risk.
    Now good start, but I see two problems with this. First, 
the limits don't include brain injury risk. Blast pressure 
experts have raised concerns that this means that our current 
safety thresholds are built on things like whether or not it is 
likely to cause your eardrum to burst. They are very old 
guidelines, and they are not about traumatic brain injury.
    Ms. Lee, you are in charge of overseeing DOD's warfighter 
brain health policy. Why is it important that DOD establish a 
maximum allowable number of rounds for servicemembers to fire 
that takes into account brain injury as well as injury just to 
the ears?
    Ms. Lee. Senator Warren, thank you so much for the 
question, and thanks for having us here today to be able to 
talk about warfighter brain health, blast overpressure, and 
traumatic brain injury.
    This is an excellent question. We absolutely--it is 
imperative that we have allowable number of rounds for all the 
weapon systems that are commonly used so that we can avoid 
unnecessary blast exposure in our servicemembers. We believe 
that this also gives us an opportunity to be able to ensure the 
usage is correct, the position, crew position, proximity, and 
all those pieces can come together.
    Our policies are moving in that direction to be able to 
look at the brain. As you mentioned, historically, it has been 
through ear and lung. However, we are looking at what the brain 
effects are, and we will follow suit with our policies as such.
    Senator Warren. So again, I want to say I feel a little bit 
of frustration here. I appreciate that you are working on 
establishing these limits, but we are going to get this off the 
ground now.
    We know enough to start moving in the right direction. My 
office has heard stories of servicemembers having to take their 
own initiative in setting limitations for their troops. We have 
got training instructors who just say, I have decided that is 
enough, and that is not enough to get this job done.
    So again, I urge you better to make your best estimate and 
get started on forcing these weapons manufacturers to start 
collecting these data so that they will be able to give us 
limits on how they can be used.
    One more concern here. It is how we measure these weapons 
use safety limits. DOD's own studies found that it took 70 to 
96 hours to resolve servicemembers cognitive deficits after 
firing heavy weapons. So that is about how long it appears 
before people are back to their original steady State. But DOD 
guidelines say they are only going to test for the first 24 
hours.
    Ms. Lee, could servicemembers benefit from establishing 
weapons use safety limits for longer periods of time, like 72 
hours?
    Ms. Lee. Yes, ma'am. We are looking to expand that 
timeframe so that we allow for those differences that are 
coming up with blast overpressure. So that is again where our 
policies, the direction that our policies are headed so that we 
can cover that time period. We are firmly committed to early 
detection, provides the opportunity to treat, and that 
maximizes our outcome.
    Senator Warren. Well, I hope you do this soon. The 
Department of Defense's Inspector General has raised concerns 
that military health system providers are not consistently 
providing a 72 hour followup appointment for patients with mild 
TBIs, so clearly, a longer timeframe is something that DOD 
itself recognizes is important and that we need to get done.
    Look, I get it, this is hard, and I am grateful that you 
are doing the work you are doing. I want to be a partner, but a 
partner that urges you to move faster and deliver more for our 
servicemembers as quickly as possible. We need to do better for 
our troops, and we need to do it right now. Senator Scott.
    Senator Scott. Thank you, Chair. So, I will ask you the 
same question, what would you tell your son or daughter who was 
going to go in and be a warfighter, 18 years old, go enlist--
what would you tell them today, based on what you know?
    Dr. Martinez-Lopez. Sir, I have three boys. Two of them 
served in the military. One is still in the reserves. So, I am 
very proud of their service just like, you know, and I will 
tell my grandkids, I have eight of them--so, that there is a 
great opportunity in the services.
    I think there is some value as a human being that we 
develop, that service to country is very important. Even if you 
do it for a short time, it makes a big difference as you as a 
person.
    I don't care how you--where you serve or how you serve, is 
it critical now? They need to understand that this is a risky 
business, and what--so they need to come out with their eyes 
wide open, right.
    So, my kids knew that .I very, very--I made it very clear 
and--but I am still very proud. I will tell my grandkids, if 
they really think about, there is something that triggers them 
to serve, go fetch.
    Senator Scott. Captain.
    Captain Williams. Thank you for the question, sir. I have 
no children at this point, but I have many--nephews, nieces, 
and friends of the family who I have encouraged to join the 
military. This has been the greatest honor in my lifetime to 
serve in uniform.
    I wouldn't change that requirement for anyone or request to 
anyone. I would tell them to follow their heart, and I would 
encourage them to know that there are inherent risks to the 
job, and our job is to make sure that the people who you are 
entrusting your life to, they have a responsibility--a 
responsibility to care for you. So, no different, and the 
reason why I am here today is saying we want to make sure that 
our men and women in uniform know that we are caring for them 
in every possible way.
    Senator Scott. Thank you. Ms. Lee.
    Ms. Lee. Yes. So, I have five children and one grandchild, 
and I would absolutely say to support and defend our homeland, 
to join the military and join the armed services. One of them 
is a Marine.
    Through that service, it is about the trust, and I have 
seen working in this environment for the last 20 years, 
especially around the traumatic brain injury realm, that you 
really do need to be credible and have integrity based on that 
trust and ensuring that we are going to do right by you.
    We are a family, and we are going to take care of you. Mr. 
Larkin is part of our team. We are all in this together with 
the same mission to take care of our people and take care of 
servicemembers that make the sacrifice.
    Senator Scott. Thanks. Secretary Martinez, the Department's 
report to Congress on the longitudinal blast study says the 
Department plans to conduct a business case analysis and review 
lessons learned to inform its way forward with blast 
monitoring.
    So, who is conducting the business case analysis? When do 
you expect the analysis to be completed? What factors is the 
Department including in its analysis?
    Dr. Martinez-Lopez. Sir, do you mind if I defer to Ms. Lee.
    Ms. Lee. So, the business case analysis kickoff meeting was 
the 14th of February. It is being conducted by a contract 
service. We are expecting the results in September 2024. We 
looked at--we are looking--we have extensively involved 
military departments in this so that the outcome that comes, 
the outcome and recommendations will be able to be implemented 
by the military departments.
    Both the service communities and the operational 
communities are heavily invested in this business case analysis 
so that we can review the necessary resources, the--and look at 
how to establish a standardized monitoring program throughout 
the force.
    Senator Scott. When do you think you will be completed?
    Ms. Lee. The business case analysis will be completed in 
September.
    Senator Scott. September? Okay. Right. The 2023, the Fiscal 
Year 2023 NDAA also authorized but didn't require the Director 
of the Defense Health Agency to conduct a pilot program to 
monitor blast exposure to the use of commercially available, 
off the shelf wearable sensors. Do you all plan to do it, and 
do you have any sensors in mind that you think are working?
    Ms. Lee. So, yes, sir. So, we are awaiting the BCA results, 
the business case analysis results in September, to make a 
decision on whether or not that pilot that could be the segue 
from our Section 734 work into a full blown standard monitoring 
blast program throughout the Department.
    So, again, those decisions, we will probably make in the in 
the September 2024 time period. In terms of blast sensors, we 
have various communities to include the Special Operations 
Command that have been looking at the--right now, the three 
available, commercially available products.
    Those decisions are, right now, living in the acquisition 
world as they are doing suitability and fielding exercises, and 
based on the requirements of each individual community.
    Senator Scott. Good. Also, the Fiscal Year 2023 NDAA 
required a report describing the strategy and implementation 
plan for the Warfighter Brain Health Initiative. I guess this 
was due at the end of last year or so. Is that different than 
the others?
    Ms. Lee. That is the strategy and action plan that has five 
lines of effort. I believe that is headed over your way right 
now.
    Senator Scott. Oh, okay. All right. Thank you.
    Senator Warren. So can I just ask one more question. It is 
7 months before the business case analysis. What are you going 
to do over the next 7 months?
    Ms. Lee. So, in the original memo that was produced before 
we had finished Section 734, the Assistant Secretary of Defense 
for Readiness put out this interim guidance memo. Before we had 
completed all of the information, all the data, we felt it was 
imperative to try to get brain health guidance out at that 
time.
    So, we sent the memo out. Included in that four PSA memo 
are six actions to try to avoid unnecessary blast exposures. 
So, what we are doing in the meantime is updating that memo 
with more data that we have from our research studies and from 
the blast community of researchers, so that we can provide more 
direction and guidance to the military departments on how they 
can have safer actions out in the operational environment, in 
the training environment.
    Senator Warren. Okay. I appreciate that, and how are you 
going to make sure that it makes it all the way down to the 
ground level? There are anecdotes that suggest that we make 
policy changes, we all talk to each other up here in the 
abstract, and then down at the ground nothing has changed. Dr. 
Martinez.
    Dr. Martinez-Lopez. Ma'am, the first issue is this is a 
joint effort between the operational forces and we in the 
medical sector. So, it is the medical leadership and the 
operational leadership.
    If we don't work it together, this is not going to pan out. 
So, the way we exercise that at DOD is through a safety 
oversight council. So, we are meeting with all the services and 
laid out the guidance, and we rely on the services then to push 
it down. It is an issue of policy internal to the services.
    It is an issue of training in the services. It is an issue 
of equipping in the services. We will give them the medical 
guidance, you know, the best knowledge we have, but the 
implementation itself, how are you going to fire your weapon, 
where, and those kind of things have to be exercised by the 
line.
    Now, I went over to Fort Campbell, and I talked to the CG 
of Fort Campbell. He was--and I told him, it is simple. Less is 
better, and less often and better. So really look at--pay 
attention to that.
    Senator Warren. Right. Right. Captain Williams, did you 
want to add anything on that? Okay, good. Senator Scott.
    Senator Scott. So, have you guys ever had a glucose 
monitor? Do you know how they work? Okay, so I can put on 
glucose monitor, I can put in my exercise, I can put in my 
food, and I can just do it myself. I can sort of track to see, 
you know, how I feel when my glucose goes up. So, why don't we 
have something just simple that people can do on their own?
    Because if I knew, gosh, I get headaches or I get, you 
know--I have sleeping problems or I have any of these issues, 
then I would say, I mean, I can't do this anymore. I mean, why 
don't we do something--I mean, the technology is so simple, 
right.
    I mean, it is basically you just go you go to--there is two 
companies that do the glucose one now that I know of. Why don't 
we just go there and say, will you give us the technology and 
we can implement this and just give it to everybody and let 
them monitor it themselves?
    [Technical problems.]
    Dr. Martinez-Lopez. I am going to State the first steps--
[technical problems]. The problem with glucose is I know 
exactly where the thresholds are. So, I know that like at 126 
it is abnormal blood sugars, so anything above that or below 
that, and I can monitor it. On this issue, I don't know what 
the threshold is. So, we haven't determined that threshold yet, 
and even worse----
    Senator Scott. No, I will decide for myself. I will decide 
that--the way I would look at it is, I will put the information 
in there and then I would say, hey, here is what I noticed. If 
I do this number of blasts, I get a headache. I do this number 
of blast, I can't sleep.
    Then I start saying to myself, and I say, well, okay, I am 
not going to do that. I am not doing that to myself anymore 
because--you know what, this has happened to me so I am not an 
expert on this, but you would think, I mean, you know, we are 
all--we are all going to be better if we self-monitor 
ourselves, right? I mean, rather than some top down program 
that tries to tell us everything, and even glucose--I mean, 
your body is going to be different than my body.
    So, what my high level should be is going to be different 
than yours, right. So, I am just saying, put the information in 
there. It is a real simple mode. Give it to everybody. Let them 
start following it on their own, and then they can easy--you 
know, like on those--anybody can connect.
    You can say, oh, I am going to allow this person to 
connect. There is a company out there that allows people to do 
that now that--it is call levels and they are doing they are 
doing--I think they have 50,000 people or so on a study, where 
they are doing it on their own as a private sector, just with 
everybody voluntarily putting their data in there.
    Captain Williams. Sir, if I may, one of the most important 
things--and what you are speaking about is really and truly 
precision medicine and targeted therapy to the individual. It 
is very variable for each individual who has had a TBI, the 
symptoms that they have.
    One of the things that the past NDAA said was that the DOD 
needed to partner with private industry and private 
organizations to improve research and to improve treatment. 
That is one of the things that we want to look at, is look at 
what type of modalities are out there, or that can be developed 
to allow patient to focus on their individual symptoms.
    But we have to know what that baseline is first for that 
individual. Biofeedback is something that we do in the Defense 
Intrepid network, at NICO, we help patients understand how to 
control their own individual symptoms.
    But if each person is different, then that is going to be a 
challenging, should I say, monitoring to create, but it is 
possible. As we continue to do research, I think we can come--
we can get there soon.
    Senator Scott. So, to me, I just gave you my answer, that 
is a big government answer. Okay, just my--you might be 
absolutely right. Just, I am not saying you are wrong. I am 
just--I just actually do believe that I will do a better job of 
monitoring my health than anybody else will ever do my health. 
I don't care what the study is, I will do a better job.
    I think--if I started--I can just say personally, if I eat 
something and I don't feel good, I am never touching it again, 
all right, period. I assume--I mean, it is smart--these are 
smart kids going in the service.
    I mean, just look at these sports. All these people are 
getting smarter about this and saying, I am not doing this to 
my brain. I just think we ought to do exactly all the things 
you are doing, but it is pretty simple to set up a program to 
give and, you know--let the person monitor themselves because 
their body is going to be totally different than everybody 
else's. Like your blood glucose level is different than mine, I 
guarantee you.
    Captain Williams. So, I totally agree with you, sir, and as 
an internist and a pediatrician, I always listen to the 
patient. I always listen to the parents, right. It is very 
important.
    [Technical problems.]
    Captain Williams. But I do want to say, though, I agree 
with you. I think as a medical professional though, and even as 
a researcher, we want to come up with a pathway forward for the 
patients to monitor their own.
    That means we need to come up with baselines, with normals, 
which we just don't have at this point in time for TBI in 
general. When we move toward blood biomarkers, when we move 
toward much more concrete evidence, I think we can come up with 
the tool that you are talking about, that can allow a patient 
to monitor themselves.
    Senator Scott. Thank you.
    Senator Warren. Good. So, I want to thank you all for being 
here--absolutely.
    Senator Budd. Thank you all for being here. So, North 
Carolina universities, including East Carolina University, ECU, 
UNC Chapel Hill, and health care providers like Atrium Health 
have prioritized research, care, and support for servicemembers 
and veterans diagnosed with TBIs.
    I was able to see that when I was in the State last week. 
So again, I appreciate this hearing. Further understanding the 
cause of TBI will significantly improve that care that they 
offer, and I look forward to supporting their ongoing efforts.
    Dr. Martinez, in the longitudinal study on blast pressure 
exposure of members of the armed services that you published in 
December, one of the key findings is a greater likelihood of 
TBI--can you explain what you mean by a greater likelihood and 
quantify the increased likelihood of TBI? So, what percentage 
of people were exposed to what level blaster, likely to develop 
TBI?
    Dr. Martinez-Lopez. Senator, I will defer to me Ms. Lee for 
the answer.
    Senator Budd. Certainly. Thank you.
    Ms. Lee. So, the Section 734 longitudinal study that you 
are referencing, where we looked at monitoring and documenting 
blast exposure and then also offerings a review of weapon 
systems, which we codified as 15 weapon systems that were most 
commonly used, and we went deep to figure out what all the 
safety regulations were about those.
    Under the safety rubric as well, we looked at what the 
health and performance effects are, the brain health effects 
from all this blast overpressure stuff. In the report, we were 
able to--we reviewed 40 studies, 26 of those studies were 
funded by the Department of Defense.
    We looked at what type of effects happen when you are doing 
blast overpressure, and then where do you have concerns about 
traumatic brain injury. Most of the areas that we found 
correlations were in the neurocognitive and thinking areas.
    Also, in some health care utilization areas. We looked at 
blood biomarkers and proteins to try to see if there was any 
correlations, and we believe that that will bear fruit, but 
right now there is no clear trends in that regard.
    So, we are relying on the symptom reporting as being the 
most indicative of someone that would have had a traumatic 
brain injury, and again, early detection of that through 
evaluation of multiple domains like their balance and their eye 
movements, and their thinking skills, and their symptom 
reporting.
    Senator Budd. Thank you for that. Dr. Williams, what 
recommendations would you make to improve the Department's 
ability to diagnose and treat military personnel who are 
repeatedly exposed to low level blast?
    Captain Williams. Thank you for the question, Senator. As 
we spoke earlier in terms of baselining early. So, it has been 
stated several times, and when you know better, you do better. 
One of the most important things we can do is baseline our 
members from the moment they come into the military.
    That means before they start the military training, and 
that allows us to follow them over time. I admit we have to 
find the right baselining tool. Right now, we use ANAM. ANAM 
focuses on cognition and that is an appropriate component, but 
we can do more. We can do better, and our goal is to, again, 
start early so we can continue to monitor.
    Senator Budd. Thank you. North Carolina is the proud home 
of the Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Fort 
Liberty, and research suggests that Special Operations forces 
experience higher rates of blast exposure in training and 
combat than other military personnel, and thus are at an 
elevated risk for repeated blast exposure related brain injury. 
So, does that track with your research?
    Ms. Lee. Absolutely.
    Senator Budd. All three of you?
    Captain Williams. Yes.
    Senator Budd. Thank you. While we certainly need to conduct 
more research, we have to also do a better job protecting our 
servicemembers with what we know today. That lines up with Dr. 
Williams, with what you were just sharing.
    So, I am concerned that the Department is not moving 
quickly enough to address these TBI risks. So, there is tested, 
FDA approved devices that can limit TBIs, including some like 
neck collars that are currently being used by Special Operators 
and just like you see in the NFL.
    Now, I am hearing, however, that there is still years of 
DOD testing that need to take place before they can be fielded 
for the broader force.
    So, for the panel, for each of you, why aren't we expanding 
the fielding, FDA approved wearable devices now to keep our 
warfighters safer from TBI inducing head trauma and 
overpressure protection, rather than waiting for duplicative 
testing to be completed within Department? How can we expedite 
those devices, the use of those devices?
    Captain Williams. You know, I would start with a simple 
answer, our goal is to do no harm. Right now we need more 
information for some of these devices to determine if they 
would do harm in the operational setting.
    Senator Budd. Even, doctor, if they are already FDA 
approved devices?
    Captain Williams. I totally understand. FDA approval, 
oftentimes, is not tested in our population, and that is a 
different story. So, we realize now that a lot of times this 
research is being done and is not inclusive of operators, 
especially high level operators that we are caring for. I think 
our goal is to make sure we do no harm to that general 
population.
    Senator Budd. Thank you. Secretary.
    Dr. Martinez-Lopez. We may have to look at the data and we 
look at the size, if it is sound. Even in our study, we will 
adopt it. If it is really going to make a difference, we will. 
But we will put them through our internal processes, and that 
is true for every intervention we do have with our patients.
    Senator Budd. Ms. Lee?
    Ms. Lee. Senator, the jugular vein compression devices that 
you are speaking about had mainly been studied in head impact 
in the sports community. So, pivoting to blast overpressure, 
which has a different mechanism of injury, is worth a look--
definitely worth more than a look--to do more research to make 
sure that it is safe and effective in both the military 
population, as well as blast overpressure as the mechanism.
    Senator Budd. Understood. Thank you all. I yield.
    Senator Warren. Thank you, Senator Budd. I want to thank 
you all, all of our witnesses for being here today. I want to 
thank you for the work you do every day. My takeaways from this 
are that the Department of Defense needs to do better.
    We need to identify those who were most at risk for TBI 
because of the particular work they do. We need to collect 
better data, and we need to do all of this on a much faster 
timetable.
    Congress also needs to do better. We need to make sure that 
you have the resources to do your work, and we also need to 
make sure that those who are treating TBI like Home Base have 
the resources they need.
    It is shameful that there are Active Duty military who have 
what appears to be TBI and they cannot be treated because the 
resources simply are not there. A waiting list at a place like 
Home Base is our failure.
    We need those resources, and we need that capacity to be 
able to treat those who have suffered brain injuries because of 
their service to our Nation. We owe that to our servicemembers. 
So, again, thank you all for being here. I want to thank the 
senators who have been here.
    I want to thank my partner, Senator Scott, in this, and 
this will be an issue we will take up during the next round of 
NDAA negotiations. Thank you.
    [Whereupon, at 5:02 p.m., the Committee adjourned.]

    [Questions for the record with answers supplied follow:]

             Questions Submitted by Senator Mazie K. Hirono
             tbi treatment at military treatment facilities
    1. Senator Hirono. Dr. Zafonte, I applaud your dedication and 
efforts as a principal investigator on DOD clinical trials evaluating 
novel treatments for TBI and PTSD. Do you think there is enough 
training for military medical professionals at treatment facilities, 
such as Tripler Army Medical Center, to identify and treat TBI and the 
accompanying symptoms?
    Dr. Zafonte. As a non-profit academic medical center, outside DOD, 
I do not have personal knowledge of the extent of the TBI training 
programs at military medical centers.

    2. Senator Hirono. Dr. Zafonte, which novel treatments in your 
trials seem the most promising?
    Dr. Zafonte. Home Base is proud of our TBI space's history of 
innovation. Nestled within the world-renowned Massachusetts General 
Hospital (MGH), Home Base's National Center of Excellence utilizes the 
extensive resources and faculty of MGH, Harvard Medical School, 
Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital, the Massachusetts Eye & Ear 
Hospital, and other components of the Mass General Brigham integrated 
healthcare system to provide evidence-based care. Furthermore, this 
incredible ecosystem within which we operate provides us with insight 
into the latest research and clinical care opportunities, as well as 
daily access to world-leading researchers and clinicians who work at 
the forefront of mental health and brain injury care. This guarantees 
the synchronization, not the siloing, of our efforts to treat these 
invisible wounds.
    Science is just beginning to understand the long-term impacts of 
mild and moderate TBIs. Home Base is actively investigating the short-
term and long-term effects of these injuries, which encompass a 
spectrum of physical and psychological ailments ranging from 
neurodegenerative diseases to behavioral health disorders and even 
cancer. A critical issue is understanding the specific biopsychosocial 
injury patterns associated with repeated blasts. Through my research 
and collaboration with specialists, we are uncovering critical insights 
that continue to inform evidence-based interventions and elevate 
clinical care standards.
                         tbi and mental health
    3. Senator Hirono. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Dr. McBirney, and Dr. 
Zafonte, traumatic brain injuries can range from mild to severe, and 
studies have shown notable correlations between TBI and mental health 
conditions such as anxiety, PTSD, depression, and suicidality among 
current and former servicemembers. Can you speak to this correlation 
and what steps are being taken to address treatment with this 
relationship in mind?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. DOD Response (Secretary Martinez-Lopez): 
Yes, DOD funded research has elucidated relationships between traumatic 
brain injury (TBI) and mental health conditions. During the acute 
evaluation of mild TBI using the Military Acute Concussion Evaluation 
(MACE) 2 screening tool, there are questions about a history of 
depression, anxiety, or other behavioral health concerns so that we can 
offer additional assistance and followup for servicemembers who report 
these concerns.
    The MACE 2 also approaches concussion from a symptom cluster 
perspective. Anxiety is covered under the concussion symptom clusters 
and we manage each symptom cluster uniquely, recognizing that the 
combination of symptoms changes recovery trajectory. We know 
Servicemembers may take longer to recover (similar to other combined 
injuries) and may require more followup medical encounters to 
facilitate recovery if a history of a mental health condition (or other 
non-mental health concussion symptomatology) is present.
    In addition, other DOD guidelines and tools incorporate 
psychological interventions as part of the multi-disciplinary approach 
to TBI treatment. There are standardized concussion tools, such as the 
Progressive Return to Activity (PRA) protocol, that outline state-of-
the-art treatments as well as how to return Servicemembers to duty and 
full function. The PRA is meant to incorporate a range of symptoms 
post-concussion and direct an individualized recovery plan. The DOD 
also has specialty clinical and comprehensive interdisciplinary centers 
of excellence called the Defense Intrepid Network (DIN) for TBI and 
Brain Health. These programs have been developed to deliver a holistic 
patient centered interdisciplinary TBI model of care. Behavioral health 
services can include psychiatry, psychology, and social work. 
Additional services may include neurology, sleep medicine, pain 
management, and rehabilitation services, such as balance and vision 
therapy. These centers of excellence also offer innovative treatments 
such as creative arts therapies, animal-assisted therapies, and mind-
body wellness services.
    Dr. McBirney. My research has remained focused on traumatic brain 
injury (TBI) and subconcussive injuries, so, while I do know that there 
is a correlation between TBI and some mental health conditions, such as 
anxiety, posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, and 
suicidality,\1\ I do not feel qualified to speak to the correlation and 
any subsequent treatment efforts.
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Daniel W. Trone, ``Single and Repeated High-Level Blast, Low-Level 
Blast, and New-Onset Self-Reported Health Conditions in the U.S. 
Millennium Cohort Study: An Exploratory Investigation,'' Frontiers in 
Neurology, Vol. 14, March 2023; Michelle R. Dickerson, Susan F. Murphy, 
Michael J. Urban, Zakar White, and Pamela J. VandeVord, ``Chronic 
Anxiety-and Depression-Like Behaviors Are Associated with Glial-Driven 
Pathology Following Repeated Blast Induced Neurotrauma,'' Frontiers in 
Behavioral Neuroscience, Vol. 15, December 2021; Yueh-Chien Lu, Ming-
Kung Wu, Li Zhang, Cong-Liang Zhang, Ying-Yi Lu, and Chieh-Hsin Wu, 
``Association Between Suicide Risk and Traumatic Brain Injury in 
Adults: A Population Based Cohort Study,'' Postgraduate Medical 
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Erlangsen, Sonja Orlovska, Ramy Mofaddy, Merete Nordentoft, and Michael 
E. Benros, ``Association Between Traumatic Brain Injury and Risk of 
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    Dr. Zafonte.
The Need
    My research with TBI has noted an elevated 10-year risk of 
behavioral concerns such as depression, anxiety, and even bipolar 
disorder. TBI can have wide-ranging psychological effects. Some signs 
or symptoms may appear immediately after the traumatic event, while 
others may appear days or weeks later. According to the Department of 
Defense, since 2000, over 413,000 US (United States) servicemembers 
have experienced at least one TBI, and 40 percent of those with in-
theater TBIs later screened positive for comorbid psychological health 
conditions, including post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), 
depression, and anxiety.
Innovative Treatment Models
    In 2015, Home Base launched a 2-week intensive clinical program 
(ICP) for veterans, servicemembers, and their families impacted by the 
invisible wounds, including a TBI-specific track. The ICP combines 
evidence-based therapy with complementary and alternative medicine. 
What sets the ICP apart from other programs is that it is staffed not 
only by Massachusetts General Hospital clinicians and fitness and 
nutrition experts--all trained in military culture and specializing in 
treating invisible wounds--but also by veterans, servicemembers, and 
military family members who are subject-matter experts and are able to 
provide high-level peer support through their shared life experiences. 
Veterans and servicemembers work with their treatment team to determine 
an individualized treatment plan. Our clinicians are experienced in 
delivering the most effective and innovative treatments to help heal 
the invisible wounds of war. We encourage family members and support 
people to participate in our program offerings as they are integral 
parts of the healing process. We also provide them with their own 
education and support options.
    Home Base recognizes that TBI treatment cannot exist in isolation. 
The overwhelming majority of the patients who we treat in our ICP for 
TBI also receive treatment for co-occurring mental and behavioral 
health concerns through individual and group therapy, emotional 
regulation training, mindfulness, and wellness classes. The TBI 
patients receive supplementary services to treat their TBI concerns, 
including daily cognitive rehab, physical medicine, and rehabilitation 
(PM&R), and physical therapy.
                       holistic treatment for tbi
    4. Senator Hirono. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Dr. McBirney, and Dr. 
Zafonte, if current medical approaches to treating TBI and related 
outcomes in American servicemembers are lacking or require additional 
resources, what alternative pathways are being explored to treating TBI 
from a holistic perspective?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The Department has a multipronged 
approach to care, allowing for each element to be enhanced as needed. 
The core elements are standardized assessment tools and protocols; 
specialty clinical sites networked for information sharing; and 
standardized policy to optimize documentation, screening, and care. The 
Defense Health Agency (DHA) established the Acute Concussion Care (ACC) 
Pathway as part of the Fiscal Year 2021 Quadruple Aim Performance Plan 
to standardize acute concussion assessment and care across the Military 
Health System (MHS). The goal of the ACC Pathway is to improve recovery 
times and outcomes by utilizing a multi-modal assessment tool at the 
time of injury (MACE 2) and to ensure timely access to repeat 
evaluations with personalized treatment protocols in alignment with a 
progressive return to activity process.
    Supporting the goal of the ACC Pathway, the DHA Procedural 
Instruction 6490.04, ``Required Clinical Tools and Procedures for 
Assessment and Clinical Management of Mild Traumatic Brain Injury/
Concussion in Non-Deployed Setting,'' April 26, 2021, established the 
required clinical tools and procedures for management of mild TBI, or 
concussion, in a non-deployed setting. Specifically, the use of the 
MACE 2 and the PRA are the main tools used for the assessment, 
management, and rehabilitation of all patients with a mild TBI. Our 
current focus is on enhanced use of the existing mechanisms as well as 
documentation to enable continued refinement.
    The Defense Intrepid Network (DIN) for TBI and Brain Health, which 
includes the National Intrepid Center of Excellence (NICoE), 
collaborates with civilian healthcare facilities to enhance care for 
servicemembers with TBIs and psychological health (PH) conditions. The 
DIN provides state-of-the-art clinical care, best practices, 
translational research, and education and training for the DOD and U.S. 
Government. The DIN delivers a comprehensive, holistic, 
interdisciplinary care model for the continuum of brain injuries and 
associated behavior heath conditions. This interdisciplinary care model 
is noted to be the most successful treatment for cases that have not 
responded to traditional care. The DIN's model is the foundation on 
which the majority of other TBI programs across the country are based. 
The network includes 13 sites (located across the United States and one 
in Germany). NICoE serves as the DIN's headquarters and is home to some 
of the most advanced TBI and brain health research in the Nation. The 
DINs interdisciplinary care model combines traditional medicine 
services such as behavioral health, neurologic, and rehabilitative 
care, with a host of complementary services such as acupuncture, 
chiropractic, and meditation, along with integrative health services 
such as art, music, and dance movement therapies. NICoE has a broad 
armamentarium of technologies and techniques to diagnose, treat and 
rehabilitate servicemembers. The model is rooted in a wellness mindset. 
The DIN consistently shares its model of integrating care and research 
with civilian facilities and leverages civilian expertise and 
assistance through the referral service.
    Dr. McBirney. Given my lack of clinical experience, particularly 
compared with others on the panel, I do not consider myself to be well 
positioned to answer this question. I will defer to my colleagues.
    Dr. Zafonte. Home Base views all our patient care issues, from PTSD 
to TBI, through a holistic lens. At Home Base, our approach to holistic 
treatment for warriors is centered on addressing the complex interplay 
of biopsychosocial issues that they often face. Our comprehensive and 
integrative model focuses on treating the whole person, recognizing 
that mental, physical, and social health are deeply interconnected. 
Here is an outline of our approach:
Mindfulness and Mental Health
      Mindfulness Practices: We incorporate mindfulness-based 
stress reduction (MBSR) techniques to help warriors manage stress, 
anxiety, and depression. Practices such as meditation, deep breathing 
exercises, and guided imagery are taught to enhance emotional 
regulation and promote a sense of calm.
      Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): CBT is employed to 
address negative thought patterns and behaviors, helping warriors 
develop healthier coping mechanisms.
      Trauma-Informed Care: Recognizing the impact of trauma on 
mental health, we provide therapies specifically designed to address 
PTSD and other trauma-related conditions. This includes Eye Movement 
Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) and trauma-focused CBT.
Addressing Physical Dysfunction and Pain Management
      Comprehensive Physical Therapy: We offer personalized 
physical therapy programs to address musculoskeletal issues, improve 
mobility, and reduce pain. These programs often include exercises 
tailored to individual needs, manual therapy, and strength training.
      Pain Management Strategies: Our approach to pain 
management is multifaceted, incorporating both traditional and 
complementary methods. This includes pharmacological treatments, 
acupuncture, chiropractic care, and massage therapy.
      Functional Movement Training: We focus on improving 
functional movement patterns to prevent injury and enhance physical 
performance. This includes education on proper biomechanics and 
posture.
Facilitating Safe and Vigorous Evaluation of Novel Holistic Therapies
      Research and Evidence-Based Practice: We are committed to 
staying at the forefront of medical research to ensure our treatments 
are grounded in the latest scientific evidence. We conduct and 
participate in clinical trials to evaluate the efficacy and safety of 
novel holistic therapies.
      Integrative Medicine: Our integrative medicine approach 
combines conventional medical treatments with complementary therapies. 
This might include nutrition counseling, herbal medicine, and mind-body 
practices such as yoga and tai chi.
      Patient-Centered Care: Each warrior receives a 
personalized treatment plan based on their unique needs and 
preferences. We involve patients in the decisionmaking process, 
ensuring that their values and goals are respected.
Social Support and Community Integration
      Family and Community Support Programs: Recognizing the 
importance of social connections, we offer support programs for 
families and facilitate community engagement activities. This helps 
warriors build a strong support network.
      Peer Support Groups: Peer support is a vital component of 
our approach. We provide opportunities for warriors to connect with 
others who have had similar experiences, fostering a sense of 
camaraderie and mutual support.
      Holistic Wellness Programs: Our holistic treatment 
approach at Homebase aims to empower warriors by addressing the full 
spectrum of their health needs, promoting resilience, and enhancing 
their quality of life.
      Nutrition and Lifestyle Counseling: Proper nutrition and 
a healthy lifestyle are crucial for overall well-being. We offer 
guidance on diet, exercise, and sleep hygiene to support warriors' 
holistic health.
      Recreational and Creative Therapies: Engaging in 
recreational activities and creative arts can be therapeutic. We 
provide opportunities for warriors to participate in art therapy, music 
therapy, and recreational sports.
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            Questions Submitted by Senator Elizabeth Warren
                   weapons training and brain health
    5. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, there is currently no 
uniform chart or scale for safe levels of blast exposures for the 
weapons that servicemembers routinely train on. When and what steps 
will DOD take to implement safety standards and guidance to 
servicemembers and military leaders that use, fire, and/or train on 
these weapon systems?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. DOD Response (Secretary Martinez-Lopez): 
The DOD is focused on safety and mitigation to avoid unnecessary blast 
exposures and will continue to issue weapon specific guidance in 
accordance with research developments. We have learned that each combat 
or training scenario modifies blast overpressure (BOP) in unique ways, 
which presents challenges in developing uniform guidance. Accordingly, 
while we continue to develop solutions to characterize BOP threats, the 
Department has implemented an `as low reasonably achievable (ALARA)' 
policy approach to maximize safety.
    In parallel to this policy guidance, the Department is reviewing 
and generating new data concerning blast exposures in training and 
combat to update safety protocols for the prevention of TBI. In 
November 2022, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Readiness issued 
``Interim Guidance for Managing Brain Health Risk from Blast 
Overpressure.'' This interim guidance provides that DOD Components will 
manage the risk of BOP exposures exceeding 4 pounds-force per square 
inch (psi) as a part of training, planning, and execution. This policy 
is currently being updated to expand on risk management actions based 
on the outcome of research and studies.

    6. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, in order to get an 
accurate measure of servicemembers' brain health over time, we must 
have a starting point or baseline to serve as a point of reference and 
comparison through force-wide cognitive testing. Previously, DOD 
responded to a congressional inquiry that ``DOD will start with the 15 
initial military training (IMT) sites. Each Military Service has 
different lengths of IMT from 7 to 13 weeks. Cognitive baseline testing 
will occur during IMT and varies as to the actual week during IMT that 
this will occur based on current training cycles and new recruit 
throughput. DOD's regular cognitive testing program will cover all 
personnel in a phased approach, beginning with the Active Duty 
component and then the Reserve Component. At minimum, cognitive testing 
will be repeated every 5 years.'' How many IMT sites does this leave 
out and what actions will be taken at those remaining IMT locations?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. There are a total of 15 IMT sites across 
the Department that encompasses enlisted and officer servicemembers in 
both the Active Duty and Reserve components. Therefore, there are no 
IMT sites that are left out. All newly accessioned servicemembers will 
be tested at one of the 15 IMT sites. The Cognitive Monitoring Program 
baseline collection is anticipated to begin June 2024 and IMT sites 
will be phased in throughout the rest of calendar year (CY) 2024.

    7. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what cognitive test 
will you use for the baseline and periodic testing and will you 
implement it at Military Entry Processing Stations (MEPS)?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The DOD currently uses the Automated 
Neuropsychological Assessment Metrics (ANAM) for baseline and periodic 
testing pursuant to DOD Instruction (DODI) 6490.13, ``Comprehensive 
Policy on Traumatic Brain Injury-Related Neurocognitive Assessments by 
the Military Services,'' September 11, 2015, as amended. DODI 6490.13 
states ``The [ANAM] is the DOD-designated neurocognitive assessment 
tool until such time as evolving science and medical best practices 
inform a change in policy.'' The DOD has approved testing to begin at 
various points at each IMT site (not at the Military Entry Processing 
Stations). The Cognitive Monitoring Program baseline collection is 
anticipated to begin June 2024 and installations will be phased in 
throughout the rest of calendar year 2024.

    8. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what is the 
Department's plan to rapidly expand testing capabilities and sites that 
can do them?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. In September 2023, the Executive Council 
on Recruit and Basic Training (CORBT) supported the establishment of a 
DOD CORBT Cognitive Monitoring Working Group for the implementation of 
cognitive assessments at the IMT sites. The cognitive monitoring 
office, in coordination with the CORBT, has identified 15 IMT sites to 
establish baseline testing. As discussed in question 6, baseline 
collection is anticipated to begin June 2024 and IMT sites will be 
phased in throughout the rest of calendar year 2024.

    9. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, do you have an 
estimate of how much it would cost to expand testing capabilities and 
sites to all IMT locations?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The Department has conducted a cost 
analysis plan (CAP) and, as a result, the Department has programmed 
resources for implementation of baseline testing at IMT. The current 
estimated cost is 4 million dollars to conduct initial assessments at 
all 15 IMT sites.

    10. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what support and 
resources will the Services need from DHA to meet increased demand for 
assessments?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The DHA, in coordination with the Army, 
has evaluated the resources needed to conduct the Cognitive Monitoring 
Program, which involves obtaining baseline cognitive assessments and 
then repeating, at minimum, every 5 years. The Department has 
programmed resources for implementation of the Cognitive Monitoring 
Program, which includes the estimates to conduct cognitive monitoring 
at the IMT's.

    11. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what are the 15 sites 
where the DOD will implement cognitive testing during IMT?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The 15 sites are below.
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    12. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, when will cognitive 
testing be available and required for all IMTs within DOD?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. Cognitive baseline testing will begin at 
select IMT sites in June 2024 and will be phased in throughout the rest 
of calendar year 2024 until testing is available at all 15 IMT sites. 
All newly accessioned servicemembers will go to one of the 15 IMT sites 
and receive cognitive testing.

    13. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what process do each 
of the service branches follow to screen Active Duty servicemembers for 
symptoms of blast overpressure and when do they conduct these 
screenings?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. All Services follow the same approach to 
screen for symptoms associated with BOP, as outlined in standardized 
clinical tools.
    Historically, the focus in medical assessments after deployment has 
been exposures to potentially concussive events, including blast 
related exposures, and symptom based, with the latter typically driving 
the need for further assessments or treatment. Standardized medical 
assessments occur twice after deployment and are facilitated through 
the Post Deployment Health Assessment Form DD 2796 and the Post 
Deployment Health Re-Assessment Form DD 2900. All military medical 
treatment facilities (MTFs) have providers trained in TBI screening 
with the ability to refer patients to one of the TBI Specialty Care 
clinics or the Defense Intrepid Network for TBI and Brain Health for 
more comprehensive care. As a part of the continuum of care, 
servicemembers receive ongoing evaluation and treatment by a primary 
care provider during the annual Periodic Health Assessment, and those 
individuals reporting a history of TBI (or circumstances suggestive of 
the possibility) are further assessed for their Service or treatment 
needs.

    14. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what steps are each 
of the service branches taking to support servicemembers who are 
experiencing TBI and blast overpressure symptoms due to exposure during 
training?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The Military Departments support 
servicemembers who are experiencing TBI and BOP through clinical 
treatments for symptoms, and by enhancing awareness, education, and 
training to enable early recognition and treatment. The DHA provides a 
robust compliment of evaluation and treatment services to address those 
servicemembers who present with symptoms secondary to exposure to BOP 
and TBIs. To help bring servicemembers into the healthcare system, in 
December 2023, the DHA established the new Warfighter Brian Health 
(WBH) hub (https://health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Warfighter-Brain-
Health) that provides a unified approach toward optimizing 
servicemember brain health. In addition, the WBH Strategy and Action 
Plan, Objective 3d, ``Optimize Medical Care to Return Warfighters to 
Full Duty Following TBI,'' aims to identify, develop, and deploy 
evidence-based assessment, diagnostic, treatment, and rehabilitation 
strategies for TBIs. In support, the DHA developed the July 2023, 
Provider Fact Sheet, that informs providers about low-level blast 
exposure and steps to take to ensure patient education, documentation, 
and treatment.

    15. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, when will DOD start 
to conduct routine cognitive testing for servicemembers who are already 
in the service (not initial entry servicemembers)?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The Department plans to begin conducting 
routine cognitive testing for servicemembers who are already in the 
Service in December 2025; 18 months after the start of cognitive 
testing in accessioned servicemembers at the IMTs.
                    tools for measuring brain health
    16. Senator Warren. Ms. Lee, what tools would the department need 
to equitably and accurately assess soldier brain health and the 
diagnosis and prevention of brain injuries in soldier fitness tests and 
operational performance?
    Ms. Lee. As discussed in question 7, the DOD uses the ANAM for 
baseline and periodic testing for brain health and as appropriate for 
diagnosed TBIs with cognitive deficits. The ANAM is a cognitive 
assessment tool designed to detect the speed and accuracy of attention, 
memory, and thinking ability. ANAM is useful as a complimentary tool to 
determine if there are cognitive changes in a servicemember. For this 
reason, ANAM testing is conducted prior to deployment and can be used 
to identify and monitor changes in function before and after an injury. 
The DOD also continues to explore other tools that can be used to 
assess WBH through conducting research analysis through in progress 
reviews and sending out requests for information from industry and 
academic communities. For concussions, injuries that are part of the 
spectrum of brain injuries, the DOD continues to use the MACE 2 and PRA 
tools in conjunction with networked specialty care.

    17. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what partnerships or 
collaborations does the Department of Defense have with private sector 
companies or universities and are these partnerships advancing 
solutions for traumatic brain injury prevention and recovery?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The DOD collaborates with multiple 
universities and industry partners, such as the National Collegiate 
Athletic Association, University of California San Francisco through 
the Transforming Research and Clinical Knowledge in Traumatic Brain 
Injury (TRACK TBI) initiative, Abbott, and the National Academy of 
Science, Engineering, and Medicine, just to name a few.
    Yes, these partnerships are advancing solutions for prevention, 
diagnostics, treatments and recovery following TBI.
                protecting most at-risk service members
    18. Senator Warren. Dr. McBirney, what would be the benefits of 
establishing strategies specific to the Military Occupational 
Specialties (MOS) most at risk for blast overpressure?
    Dr. McBirney. Establishing strategies specific to the MOSs most at 
risk would allow for targeted prevention and mitigation efforts, which 
would offer several benefits. One is improved occupational safety. MOS-
specific strategies would enhance the overall safety and well-being of 
the servicemembers and reduce the likelihood of brain injury among 
personnel who are regularly exposed to blasts. Additionally, by 
safeguarding the health and well-being of servicemembers in roles with 
known blast exposure risk, the military can maintain higher levels of 
mission readiness and effectiveness. Moreover, MOS-specific strategies 
would better support post-service transition and veteran care for 
veterans who may have been exposed to blast overpressure during their 
military service. Lastly, establishing MOS-specific strategies would 
allow for limited resources to be focused where they are needed most.

    19. Senator Warren. Ms. Lee, when will DOD establish strategies 
specific to the Military Occupational Specialties most at risk for 
blast overpressure?
    Ms. Lee. Please see information provided in response to question 5. 
In addition, the Department has identified MOS's that are most 
vulnerable to BOP exposures and is implementing risk mitigation 
activities aimed at those high risk MOS's and the utilization of Tier 1 
weapon systems and munitions.

    20. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, although DOD has 
identified the most at risk MOSs, it has grouped some broader groups 
together. For example, putting all combat arms in the high risk group 
combines heavy weapons troops with light infantry, which may risk 
missing subpopulations such as mortar soldiers who may be at higher 
risk than light infantry soldiers. Does DOD have plans to break down 
these subpopulations to ensure that they are not missing out on 
critical groups?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The Department is in the process of re-
evaluating munitions-related training and associated MOS's that put 
servicemembers at risk of BOP exposure. As discussed above, recently 
the Services have identified specific MOS's for the Department's WBH 
Initiative to focus blast exposure efforts, to include mitigation of 
activities and enhanced screening for servicemembers.

    21. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, the New York Times 
reported at least one suicide in each of the artillery units they 
investigated that experienced significant effects of blast overpressure 
from fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria in 2016 and 2017. Please provide a 
breakdown of the rates of deaths by suicide among artillery units sent 
to Syria and Iraq to fight against ISIS.
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. Currently, the DOD does not have a means 
to longitudinally track each servicemember by MOS and their disposition 
based on possible BOP exposure. The DOD is working closely with the 
research community to develop a BOP dose response curve to update the 
occupational exposure tracking system, which would allow for tracking 
of those exposed to BOP.
                    tracking blast overpressure data
    22. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what is DOD's plan 
for a wide scale rollout for integrating blast overpressure data into 
servicemember's individual longitudinal exposure record (ILER) 
following the pilot study with 500 servicemembers?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The next steps include the finalization 
of the common data elements to be captured for each servicemember 
exposure event. Long term storage capability is also important so that 
blast exposure data will be available for ongoing evaluation and 
research purposes.

    23. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, when will DOD be able 
to stand up this program and how much funding is needed to establish a 
permanent module?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The Department is conducting a business 
case analysis (BCA) to inform the development of a standardized 
monitoring program for blast exposures. The BCA will evaluate the 
resources necessary to monitor, record, and analyze BOP exposures. The 
BCA is projected to be completed by December.

    24. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, will the information 
on blast 
exposure data added to the ILER records include retrospective data for 
servicemembers?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. All data in the ILER is retrospective and 
is inclusive of environmental data that could impact servicemember 
health. As blast exposure data becomes available, it will be evaluated 
for the optimal way to include it in ILER.

    25. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, while the Defense 
Department is tracking servicemembers who have had traumatic brain 
injury, this misses out on important data regarding those who are 
impacted by blast overpressure in other ways, such as sleep problems, 
headaches, behavior health issues, irregular heartbeats, and vestibular 
injuries. What steps is DOD taking to track a broader swath of 
servicemembers impacted by blast overpressure and blast exposure, 
beyond just TBI?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The Department's focus is connecting 
servicemember level exposure to the ILER, with the Electronic Health 
Record (EHR) being the primary means to link blast exposure and health 
effects. The first priority is to encourage servicemembers to seek 
treatment and to make them aware of the reasons they may want to seek 
treatment for possible BOP related symptoms. Policy, standardized 
screenings, and education all help enable that objective. Once in the 
system, the DOD is seeking to track BOP as an exposure in the health 
records if a servicemember presents for related symptoms. Currently if 
a servicemember was experiencing adverse health effects from BOP in the 
garrison environment, then they would seek care within the MHS. In the 
deployed setting, all servicemembers who are within 50 meters of a 
blast event are required to undergo a mandatory medical screening and 
evaluation. The documentation of servicemember blast exposure is 
critical.
    To achieve this in the EHR, the DOD, in partnership with the 
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), developed a specific blast medical 
diagnosis code in the International Classification of Diseases, Tenth 
Revision (ICD-10) for primary blast injury to the brain. The Department 
is developing guidance to ensure clear instructions for use of this new 
blast medical record code to help provide additional insights to inform 
clinical or operational decisions. This effort is expected to be 
completed this year to enable better medical surveillance for BOP 
exposure and injury.

    26. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what updates does DOD 
provide to servicemembers after they participate in studies monitoring 
blast overpressure? Please provide a breakdown of the rates of deaths 
by suicide among artillery units sent to Syria and Iraq to fight 
against ISIS.
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The DOD does not routinely provide 
updates or information to servicemembers after they consent to be in a 
research study. For most of the studies, the data collected by 
individual servicemembers are aggregated and de-identified for purposes 
of data analysis. There are plans to provide the results from the 
anonymized studies that are summarized and made available on the WBH 
Portal.
    For the second part of this question, please refer to response to 
question 21.

    27. Senator Warren. Dr. McBirney, and Dr. Zafonte, what are the 
benefits of establishing blast exposure and traumatic brain injury logs 
for servicemembers?
    Dr. McBirney. These logs would allow the Department of Defense 
(DOD) to better track the frequency of low-level blast exposure, assess 
the occurrence among high-risk occupational specialties, determine the 
connection between exposure and health outcomes, and develop strategies 
to mitigate low-level blast exposure in training environments. 
Ultimately, in-depth exposure records could be used to develop an index 
score to gauge an individual's combat readiness and potential health 
risks. \2\
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    \2\ Charles C. Engel, Emily Hoch, and Molly M. Simmons, The 
Neurological Effects of Repeated Exposure to Military Occupational 
Blast: Implications for Prevention and Health: Proceedings, Findings, 
and Expert Recommendations from the Seventh Annual Department of 
Defense State-of-the-Science Meeting, RAND Corporation, CF-380/1-A, 
2019, https://www.rand.org/pubs/conf--proceedings/CF380z1.html; Lauren 
Fish and Paul Scharre, Protecting Warfighters from Blast Injury, Center 
for a New American Security, May 2018.
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    Dr. Zafonte. Logs would create a method by which patients could 
bring more data to bear in their evaluations for TBI and allow for more 
uniformity. Data would also give servicemembers greater control over 
their healthcare, as they could make informed choices when seeking 
treatment.
                      addressing cultural barriers
    28. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what efforts is DOD 
and all the services undertaking to inform, educate, and build a 
culture of safety in units to follow appropriate safety measures to 
protect from blast exposure, such as accurately wear personal 
protective equipment (PPE) or blast gauges, pausing the use of weapons 
once an unsafe threshold has been reached?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The November 2022 the interim guidance 
memorandum, ``Managing Brain Health Risk from Blast Overpressure,'' 
(discussed above) stated that until the relationship between BOP and 
brain health effects are more fully understood, DOD Components will 
manage the risk of exposures from weapon systems exceeding 4 pounds per 
square inch as part of training, planning, and execution. This 
memorandum specified risk management requirements for DOD Components, 
including minimizing the number of personnel in the vicinity of BOP 
events, increasing standoff distances from weapons; minimizing the 
duration of live-fire events; establishing a maximum allowable number 
of rounds fired during each training event; ensuring application of 
personal protective equipment; and training and educating on BOP 
hazards and risk management actions. This policy is currently being 
updated to expand on risk management actions based on the outcome of 
research and studies.
    The DHA, with all three Military Departments and the Assistant 
Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs, developed the ``DOD Service 
Member Fact Sheet, Information on Low-Level Blast Exposure,'' July 
2023, found at: https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Centers-
of-Excellence/Traumatic-Brain-Injury-Center-of-Excellence/Low-Level-
Blast-Exposure. The fact sheet was designed for servicemembers, where 
their occupational specialties may involve working with or exposure to 
blasts generated from firing heavy weapon systems or explosives in 
combat or training environments. The last page gives examples of MOS's 
that can be exposed to low level blast.

    29. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what training is DOD 
and the services providing to unit leaders on protecting their units 
from the blast overpressure and blast exposure?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. As specified within the interim guidance 
memorandum, ``Managing Brain Health Risk from Blast Overpressure,'' 
(mentioned above) DOD Components are required to train and educate on 
BOP hazards and risk mitigation actions. Additionally, Commanders are 
to implement actions to further reduce risk by training and educating 
personnel on BOP hazards and risk management actions. The Military 
Departments and unit commanders are responsible to determine how often 
and in what manner training is conducted and tracked to ensure 
proficiency while training safely in compliance with current safety and 
range regulations.

    30. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what steps is DOD and 
each of the services taking to destigmatize servicemembers who come 
forward with blast overpressure and TBI symptoms, both for those who 
have and have not engaged in direct combat?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. Our first priority is the health of our 
servicemembers which is why we make every effort to encourage anyone 
who has experienced symptoms related to blast overpressure (BOP) 
exposure or traumatic brain injury (TBI) to seek diagnosis and 
treatment. Policy, standardized screenings, and education all help 
enable that objective--and to ensure that servicemembers throughout the 
Department do not perceive any potential stigmatizing barriers to care. 
The Military Departments support servicemembers who are experiencing 
symptoms related to TBI or BOP exposure through clinical treatments for 
related symptoms, and by enhancing awareness, education, and training 
to enable early recognition and treatment.
    Currently, if a servicemember is experiencing adverse health 
effects from BOP exposure in the garrison environment, then they would 
seek care within the Military Health System (MHS) as outlined in the 
July 2023, Service Member Fact Sheet (Information on Low-Level Blast 
Exposure: Service Member Fact Sheet (health.mil)). In the deployed 
setting, all servicemembers who are within 50 meters of a blast event 
are required to undergo a mandatory medical screening and evaluation. 
Required screenings and evaluation further build awareness of possible 
risks and normalizes use of the MHS to receive care for these types of 
experiences, thus further reducing any possible stigma associated with 
seeking care. Incident based protocols do not require the servicemember 
to self-identify the need for a medical evaluation; it is mandatory 
based on the potentially concussive event (i.e., blast event). 
Furthermore, servicemembers receive training and education on how to 
recognize BOP symptoms, requirements to report exposures to their 
command, and seeking an evaluation from their medical provider if 
experiencing symptoms.
    Military medical training institutions emphasize TBI prevention, 
diagnosis, and treatment through both enlisted and officer courses as 
part of our efforts to encourage accessing care and, whenever 
applicable, reduce and eliminate any potential stigma associated with 
receiving help. Additionally, the Military Services require 
servicemembers to take the Joint Knowledge Online course US 1114 
``Concussion Training for servicemembers,'' which describes actions and 
responsibilities to protect warfighter brain health. Topics covered 
include the definition and causes of concussion, signs and symptoms of 
concussion, its impact on physical performance and mission readiness, 
and the roles and responsibilities of servicemembers and leaders as 
they pertain to concussion.

    31. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what steps is DOD and 
each of the services taking to ensure that servicemembers who come 
forward due to traumatic brain injury or blast overpressure effects do 
not face retaliation for doing so?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. Our first priority is the health of our 
servicemembers which is why we make every effort to encourage anyone 
who has experience symptoms related to BOP exposure or TBI to seek 
diagnosis and treatment. Taking care of our people, which includes 
protecting them from retaliation or reprisal in any form at any level, 
is important for our servicemembers' wellness and the overall readiness 
of our force. The Military Departments support servicemembers who are 
experiencing symptoms related to TBI or BOP exposure through clinical 
treatments for related symptoms and education and training on early 
recognition and treatment, the Department is implementing policy to 
ensure they are afforded every opportunity to protect their ability to 
serve along the way.

    32. Senator Warren. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, the New York Times 
reporting revealed that there are many cases where policies are not 
being implemented on the ground, i.e. troops were not actually 
following safety measures on the ground. What steps are you taking to 
work with the services to ensure that policy changes are being 
implemented on the ground?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The DOD's Deputy's Safety Oversight 
Committee (DSOC) governance structure has been and will continue to 
support oversight and compliance activities to ensure policy changes 
are being implemented on the ground.

    33. Senator Warren. Dr. McBirney, and Dr. Zofante, are you aware of 
cases where servicemembers were retaliated against for coming forward 
about their injuries from blast overpressure and exposure?
    Dr. McBirney. I am not aware of any specific cases in which 
servicemembers were retaliated against for coming forward about their 
injuries from blast overpressure and exposure. However, there is ample 
research on the underreporting of injuries among servicemembers \3\--
specifically, the underreporting of TBIs--and the reasons 
servicemembers underreport, one of them frequently being concerns that 
reporting could have negative consequences. A 2020 study assessing 
unreported and untreated TBI among more than 5,000 soldiers concluded 
that, of those who reported a concussion, only 52 percent sought 
medical care. Of those who did not seek care, 18 percent were concerned 
that reporting might have negative repercussions on their careers. 
Additionally, 28 percent of soldiers who experienced a mild TBI (and 11 
percent of soldiers who did not) reported that there is a stigma 
associated with mild TBI. \4\ This stigma goes beyond TBI and speaks to 
the culture across DOD--one in which there is stigma associated with 
seeking medical services and/or mental health treatment. \5\
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    \3\ Laurel Smith, Richard Westrick, Sarah Sauers, Adam Cooper, 
Dennis Scofield, Pedro Claro, and Bradley Warr, ``Underreporting of 
Musculoskeletal Injuries in the US Army: Findings from an Infantry 
Brigade Combat Team Survey Study,'' Sports Health, Vol. 8, No. 6, 
November/December 2016.
    \4\ Sandra M. Escolas, Margie Luton, Hamid Ferdosi, Bianca D. 
Chavez, and Scot D. Engel, ``Traumatic Brain Injuries: Unreported and 
Untreated in an Army Population,'' Military Medicine, Vol. 185, Supp. 
1, January-February 2020.
    \5\ Kyong Hyatt, Linda L. Davis, and Julie Barroso, ``Chasing the 
Care: Soldiers Experience Following Combat-Related Mild Traumatic Brain 
Injury,'' Military Medicine, Vol. 179, No. 8, August 2014.
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    Dr. Zafonte. I am not personally aware of any retaliation.

    34. Senator Warren. Dr. McBirney, and Dr. Zofante, what steps 
should DOD and the services take to encourage servicemembers to seek 
treatment and help both during and after their career?
    Dr. McBirney. Research shows that two common reasons servicemembers 
do not seek treatment for TBIs relate to stigma and the belief that 
their injury did not require care, \6\ the latter of which stems from a 
lack of education and awareness. Additional barriers to seeking 
treatment include logistical barriers and structural factors related to 
the military medical system (as detailed in Question 7). \7\ Therefore, 
there are several options that DOD has to encourage servicemembers to 
seek treatment. These include destigmatizing [mental] health care, 
enhancing the accessibility of services, implementing routine mental 
health screenings, training servicemembers and leadership on the signs 
of [mental] health issues and potential brain injury, establishing 
clear, confidential channels for servicemembers to provide feedback on 
care received and any barriers they encountered, and developing further 
peer support programs. \8\
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    \6\ Joie D. Acosta, Wenjing Huang, Maria Orlando Edelen, Jennifer 
L. Cerully, Sarah Soliman, and Anita Chandra, Measuring Barriers to 
Mental Health Care in the Military: The RAND Barriers and Facilitators 
to Care Item Banks, RAND Corporation, RR-1762-OSD, 2018, https://
www.rand.org/pubs/research--reports/RR1762.html; Escolas et al., 2020; 
Hyatt, Davis, and Barroso, 2014; Marie-Louise Sharp, Nicola T. Fear, 
Roberto J. Rona, Simon Wessely, Neil Greenberg, Norman Jones, and Laura 
Goodwin, ``Stigma as a Barrier to Seeking Health Care Among Military 
Personnel with Mental Health Problems,'' Epidemiologic Reviews, Vol. 
37, January 2015; Terri Tanielian, Mahlet Woldetsadik, Lisa Jaycox, 
Caroline Batka, Shaela Moen, Carrie Farmer, and Charles C. Engel, 
``Barriers to Engaging Service Members in Mental Health Care Within the 
U.S. Military Health System,'' Psychiatric Services, Vol. 67, No. 7, 
July 2016.
    \7\ Acosta et al., 2018; Tanielian et al., 2016.
    \8\ Donald Berwick, Katherine Bowman, and Chanel Matney, eds., 
``Traumatic Brain Injury Prevention and Awareness,'' in Traumatic Brain 
Injury: A Roadmap for Accelerating Progress, The National Academies 
Press, 2022; Kathryn E. Bouskill, Carrie M. Farmer, Irineo Cabreros, 
Jonathan H. Cantor, Natalie C. Ernecoff, Lynn Hu, Shira H. Fischer, 
Aaron Kofner, Lisa S. Meredith, Matthew L. Mizel, Aneesa Motala, 
Tepring Piquado, Zachary Predmore, and Rajeev Ramchand, Improving Care 
for Veterans with Traumatic Brain Injury Across the Lifespan, RAND 
Corporation, RR-A1205-1, 2022, https://www.rand.org/pubs/research--
reports/RRA1205-1.html; Escolas et al., 2020; Michael S. Jaffee, 
``Traumatic Brain Injury and the Military Health System,'' in David 
Butler, Jessica Buono, Frederick Erdtmann, and Proctor Reid, eds., 
Systems Engineering to Improve Traumatic Brain Injury Care in the 
Military Health System: Workshop Summary, The National Academies Press, 
2009; School of Education and Human Development, Texas A&M University, 
``Support for Family Caregivers After Military Traumatic Brain 
Injuries,'' November 27, 2018.
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    Dr. Zafonte. As a non-profit academic medical center, outside the 
system, I do not have sufficient personal knowledge of the internal 
barriers servicemembers face to seeking TBI treatment to respond to 
this question in detail.

    35. Senator Warren. Dr. McBirney, and Dr. Zofante, what steps 
should DOD and the services take to encourage servicemembers to follow 
safety measures to protect themselves from blast overpressure?
    Dr. McBirney. Perhaps the most effective way to encourage 
servicemembers to follow safety measures is through education and 
awareness. Servicemembers and leadership need authoritative information 
about the dangers of blast overpressure, including its sources and the 
potential short-and long-term health consequences. Regular training and 
awareness campaigns can help personnel understand why protective 
measures are necessary and how they can effectively mitigate risks. \9\ 
Additionally, the dissemination of safety equipment that is both 
validated and functional will encourage safety members to protect 
themselves from blast overpressure.
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    \9\ Berwick, Bowman, and Matney, 2022.
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    Dr. Zafonte. As a non-profit academic medical center, outside the 
system, I do not have sufficient personal knowledge on the internal 
incentives or barriers to servicemembers following safety measures.
                     providing service members care
    36. Senator Warren. Dr. Zofante and Captain Williams, how many 
servicemembers do you have on your waitlist and what is the average 
wait period for them to start your respective programs?
    Dr. Zafonte. Currently, there are 236 Special Operations personnel 
in the screening and review process. We have scheduled 241 Special 
Operations personnel for an upcoming cohort. From the start of the 
first engagement with a potential participant, the average wait time is 
12-15 months.
    Captain Williams. The National Intrepid Center of Excellence 
(NICoE) and the larger Defense Intrepid Network (DIN), 13 facilities 
total, have two outpatient program types, the traditional outpatient 
traumatic brain injury (TBI) clinic model and the interdisciplinary 
intensive outpatient program (IOP). The Defense Health Agency access to 
care standard for a specialty care program is 28 calendar days from 
date of referral. Servicemembers referred to the traditional outpatient 
clinic model consistently meet the access to care standard.
    Nine of the 13 DIN sites have the IOP, and the waitlist for these 
locations is approximately 640 servicemembers. Each site proactively 
schedules patients into the program as openings become available, with 
servicemembers typically booked within three to 6 months.
    It should be noted that, in pursuit of career goals, there are 
periods in the training and deployment rotation of servicemembers where 
they are more willing to commit to the 4-week IOP program. Many of 
these patients are still functioning at a high capacity (but not at 
their full potential). Therefore, time from referral to engagement in 
the IOP is not always considered to be an ``as soon as possible'' 
appointment by the servicemembers.

    37. Senator Warren. Dr. Zofante and Captain Williams, how much 
additional funding would you need to address the servicemembers on your 
wait list for your respective programs?
    Dr. Zafonte. Home Base is funded almost entirely through 
philanthropy with some supplemental State and Federal appropriations. 
Every dollar that we bring in makes an impact on how many patients we 
can treat, the programs we can support, and the innovation that we can 
pilot. The primary obstacle to reducing the waitlist is the absence of 
adequate physical space for treatment and the need to expand our pool 
of qualified healthcare providers. Home Base launched a capitol 
campaign and was successful in raising funds to build a new floor for 
our headquarters in Charleston, MA. When we complete that space in mid-
2024, we will have the capacity to see twice as many patients weekly as 
part of the ComBHaT program. Increased Federal support for Home Base 
would allow the organization to continue building out a world-class 
provider team, ensure continued investment in innovative treatment 
models and technology, and allow us to remain the gold standard for 
treating TBI and invisible wounds of war.
    Captain Williams. The additional resources necessary to address the 
wait list are associated with increased specialized clinical personnel 
and an exemption from standard healthcare productivity practices. 
Staffing models for practice guidelines of interdisciplinary care, 
including outpatient and IOP programs, are currently being established 
for further determination of manning requirements.

    38. Senator Warren. Dr. Zofante and Captain Williams, how much 
advance notice do servicemembers get before they are able to enter your 
program?
    Dr. Zafonte. Entering the ComBHaT program is a multi-step process. 
Prospective participants reach out over the phone, via email, or 
through an online ``connect to care'' platform. Once an interest form 
is submitted, a team member from Home Base reaches out to the 
prospective patient and begins the screening and intake process. That 
process is multi-faceted and may include a medical clearance process 
before the Special Operations personnel can participate. Once cleared 
for admission, the team works with the participant to find a time that 
can work with the up-tempo schedule of Active Duty Special Operations 
personnel. The entire process can take 12 to 18 months. Home Base also 
maintains a standby list of people who are interested in filling the 
spot for a last-minute cancellation.
    Captain Williams. Each DIN site varies on the advance notice 
provided to servicemembers. Typically, servicemembers often prefer 
dates that are optimal for their training and deployment rotations and 
can have upwards of 3 months' notice. However, due to the potential for 
quickly changing circumstances with each individual patient, positions 
in the IOP cohorts may open due to cancelations, sometimes with only 
days or a few weeks' notice. Unscheduled members on the waitlist are 
immediately offered the opportunity to attend if they are agreeable and 
available.
    See comment on question 36 above for additional clarification.

    39. Senator Warren. Dr. Zofante and Captain Williams, what onsite 
childcare options do you have for servicemembers when they attend your 
program?
    Dr. Zafonte. Home Base does not currently offer onsite childcare 
for our participants.
    Captain Williams. There are currently no onsite dedicated childcare 
services across the network. Some installations have Child Development 
Centers or Child and Youth Services that may be able to provide hourly 
care for those registered with each individual program.

    40. Senator Warren. Dr. Zofante and Captain Williams, what is the 
average number of servicemembers whose families are able to attend your 
respective programs as well?
    Dr. Zafonte. We invite all ComBHaT participants to bring family 
support. Approximately 50 to 60 percent of ComBHaT patients bring a 
family support member with them for the 5-day evaluation program.
    Captain Williams. The numbers of spouses/families that choose to 
participate varies across locations in the DIN, ranging from 5 to 25 
percent of spouses/families.

    41. Senator Warren. Dr. Zofante and Captain Williams, at what point 
in their career do most servicemembers attend your respective programs?
    Dr. Zafonte. We have a diverse range of participants in ComBHaT, 
from early careers to veterans. While we do not actively track our 
participants' career stages in our data set, anecdotally, the majority 
are in their final few years of service. Home Base has recently seen an 
uptick in senior leaders (E-8/E-9 and O-5 through O-9) participating in 
the ComBHaT program.
    Captain Williams. Most members attending the DIN intensive 
outpatient programs have greater than 15 years' time in service.
    This percentage is slightly impacted by the military occupation 
and/or community, severity of TBI and Service affiliation. It is common 
for servicemembers with TBI symptoms and associated conditions to not 
to seek care until they are nearing the end of their careers due to 
fears of stigma, non-deployability, or duty limiting profiles. 
Therefore, comprehensive medical and psychological evaluations near the 
end of their career, including diagnoses and treatment for TBI 
symptoms, continues to be highly sought after. Specific DIN locations 
reported the following:
    A.  ISC Fort Liberty (Army Special Operations) reported that about 
75 percent are within 2 years of retirement with the other 25 percent 
at mid-career (10-12 year).
    B.  ISC Camp Lejeune (Marine Special Operations) reported that the 
majority of IOP patients are at 815 to 18 years of service; the 
outpatient program varies from first acute concussions event to pending 
retirement (e.g., 18+ years).
    C.  ISC Eglin (Airforce Special Operations) reports for both IOP 
and OP the average is 16 years' time in service with an average patient 
age of 37 years old.
    D.  ISC Camp Pendleton (1st Marine Expeditionary Force) reported a 
majority of servicemembers have ten or more years of service.
    E.  ISC Ft. Cavazos reported there has been a diverse 
representation of mid and late career enlisted and officer 
participation at both levels of care (outpatient and IOP) over the last 
decade. In the last 2 years, there has been a spike in early career or 
junior soldiers who have not deployed but sustained concussions in 
while in garrison.

    42. Senator Warren. Dr. McBirney, and Dr. Zofante, what are the 
biggest gaps in information getting to servicemembers and their 
families about blast overpressure risks and symptoms, as well as 
options for treatment?
    Dr. McBirney. My research has not focused on this, so I will defer 
to my colleagues to answer this question.
    Dr. Zafonte. As a non-profit academic medical center outside the 
DOD system, I do not have sufficient personal knowledge on how DOD 
shares information with servicemembers and their families. However, to 
my knowledge, most servicemembers who come to Home Base learn about the 
program from their peers and self-refer to the program. I recommend 
that DOD ensure that high-quality evidence-based programs in the 
private sector are easily accessible to servicemembers and their 
families.

    43. Senator Warren. Dr. McBirney, and Dr. Zofante, what are the 
biggest barriers to servicemembers seeking and obtaining treatment for 
blast overpressure and exposure?
    Dr. McBirney. While there is little to no research on the barriers 
that prevent servicemembers from seeking and/or obtaining treatment 
specifically for blast overpressure and exposure, there is some 
research on barriers that prevent servicemembers from seeking treatment 
for TBI and further research on barriers related to the treatment of 
mental health and other health issues. Barriers include those that are 
purely logistical (e.g., difficulty scheduling an appointment \10\); 
structural factors associated with the military medical system (e.g., 
limited capacity of the system, limited number of providers available 
to address needs); \11\ a lack of knowledge of the risks of exposure to 
lower-level blasts; \12\ and institutional attitudes and cultural 
issues, also known as public stigma \13\ (e.g., perceived attitudes 
held by leadership, \14\ concerns that seeking care could have negative 
career repercussions \15\).
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    \10\ Acosta et al., 2018.
    \11\ Tanielian et al., 2016.
    \12\ Escolas et al., 2020.
    \13\ Tanielian et al., 2016.
    \14\ Acosta et al., 2018; Sharp et al., 2015; Tanielian et al., 
2016.
    \15\ Escolas et al., 2020; Hyatt, Davis, and Barroso, 2014; 
Tanielian et al., 2016.
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    Dr. Zafonte. Servicemembers often avoid seeking care for blast-
related injuries due to several interrelated reasons:
    1. Stigma: There is a pervasive stigma associated with seeking 
medical or psychological help, often viewed as a sign of weakness. Many 
servicemembers fear that admitting to an injury, especially one 
involving mental health, could negatively impact their careers and how 
peers and superiors perceive them.
    2. Desire to Stay in the Fight: The strong sense of duty and 
commitment to their mission drives many servicemembers to downplay or 
ignore their injuries. They may fear being sidelined or removed from 
Active Duty, which could prevent them from fulfilling their 
responsibilities and supporting their comrades.
    3. Concern for Team Members: Servicemembers often prioritize the 
well-being of their team over their own health. They worry that seeking 
treatment could leave their team shorthanded, increasing the risk for 
their fellow soldiers and potentially compromising the mission.
    4. Lack of Recognition of Subtle Symptoms: Blast-related injuries, 
particularly traumatic brain injuries (TBI), can have subtle and 
delayed symptoms that are not immediately recognized. Servicemembers 
may attribute these symptoms to stress, fatigue, or other benign 
causes, leading to a delay in seeking appropriate care.
    Addressing these barriers requires a cultural shift within military 
organizations to normalize seeking help and recognize the importance of 
early intervention for blast-related injuries.
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             Questions Submitted by Senator Tammy Duckworth
                     blood tests for tbi screening
    44. Senator Duckworth. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, the 
Department of Defense (DOD) has recognized the need for an accurate 
blood test to assess concussions and screen military personnel for 
traumatic brain injuries. Due to DOD's leadership in this space and 
working with industry to bring such a test to market, there now exists 
an FDA-cleared blood test available to servicemembers and civilians 
alike. However, more research and clinical trials are needed to make 
this test available from the battlefield to the sports field, and to 
truly operationalize the point-of-care ability of a TBI test. How is 
DOD continuing to work with the stakeholder community to drive this 
research forward?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. The Department published the 
WBH Research Strategy in January 2024 which provides guidance for DOD 
medical and operational research and development (R&D) activities to 
coordinate, optimize, and advance WBH science. Specifically, focus area 
2.6 of the WBH Research Strategy, ``Assessing and Diagnosing Warfighter 
Brain Injuries,'' recognizes blood biomarkers as a priority. Select 
medical units within the DOD have fielded blood biomarker kits in their 
medical equipment sets. The WBH Vision outlines R&D efforts focused on 
brain health hazards, threats, and operational requirements, with the 
goal of rapidly transitioning products and practices to optimize WBH 
and performance. The Department also collaborates with multiple 
stakeholders to include industry partners, academic institutions, and 
other Federal agencies within the context of the National Academies of 
Science, Engineering and Medicine (NASEM) TBI Forum, specifically in 
the area of biomarkers for TBI. In April, the Director of the WBH 
Office presented at a National Academies of Science, Engineering, and 
Medicine (NASEM) workshop on `Innovation Trends in Technology for the 
Prevention, Treatment, and Management of TBI' to outline the DOD's 
challenges and barriers to using TBI FDA cleared devices as part of 
ongoing efforts to maximize implementation and to and drive research 
and innovation in this space.

    45. Senator Duckworth. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, are 
there other opportunities to work with Federal partners like VA, CDC, 
BARDA, and NIH to research, update, and disseminate best practices and 
evidence-based diagnosis for TBI?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. Yes, there are many 
opportunities to partner. The Department has a long history of 
successful partnerships with other Federal agencies and organizations 
in advancing clinical practice, conducting research, developing 
educational and prevention and awareness products and exploring 
technology solutions. For example, the DOD partnered with the VA to 
publish the ``VA/DOD Clinical Practice Guideline for the Management and 
Rehabilitation of Post Acute Mild Traumatic Brain Injury,'' in June 
2021. In 2023, the Department has partnered with the Department of 
Health and Human Services, the VA, and the Department of Transportation 
to lead and support recently published recommendations from the NASEM 
report, ``Traumatic Brain Injury: A Roadmap for Accelerating 
Progress.''
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               Questions Submitted by Senator Joni Ernst
                            early detection
    46. Senator Ernst. Dr. Zafonte and Captain Williams, what methods 
are there to diagnose TBI where the wounds are undetectable on MRI and 
PET scans?
    Dr. Zafonte. For servicemembers with negative standard anatomic MRI 
scans, more sophisticated diagnostic tools are essential to detect 
subtle or cumulative injuries that might not be visible on conventional 
imaging. Multimodality scanning, which employs advanced MRI paradigms 
potentially linked to PET-based markers, offers a more comprehensive 
assessment of brain function and structure. These advanced imaging 
techniques can reveal microstructural damage, metabolic changes, and 
other subtle abnormalities indicative of traumatic brain injury (TBI).
    Additionally, blood-based biomarkers, as well as physiological and 
reaction markers, hold promise for enhancing our understanding of both 
short-and long-term exposure effects. These biomarkers can provide 
critical information about the biological processes underlying injury 
and recovery, thereby supporting clinical diagnosis and monitoring.
    It is crucial to link these sub-markers and tools to clinical 
symptoms, resilience factors, and long-term maladaptation. This linkage 
ensures that diagnostic findings are relevant and actionable within a 
clinical context. By correlating biomarkers and advanced imaging 
results with clinical presentations and patient outcomes, we can 
develop more targeted and effective treatment plans. This holistic 
approach enhances our ability to identify those at risk, monitor their 
recovery, and ultimately improve the long-term health and resilience of 
our servicemembers.
    Captain Williams. The most reliable method to diagnosis continues 
to be history and physical examination of the patient. Blood based 
biomarkers are an important emerging tool in TBI diagnosis. Advanced 
technologies to further characterize TBI, including 
magnetoencephalography (MEG) and quantitative EEG methods that look at 
neural network disruptions, remain under research investigation.
    The most reliable mechanism for assessing the invisible wounds of 
war is still a sound medical history and neurological/
neuropsychological and behavioral health evaluations. Interdisciplinary 
approaches leverage the expertise of each provider and enhances the 
understanding of the multifaceted disease State. Not only do 
neurological and behavioral health providers shed light on brain health 
and functioning, but assessments by internal medicine (endocrinological 
disturbances, nutritional deficiencies), physiatry, and rehabilitation 
providers identify important medical conditions that impact cognitive 
bandwidth, level of performance, and emotional regulation.
    Each interdisciplinary team member has objective and subjective 
screening tools and outcome measures. These approaches include not only 
diagnosis of TBI but treatment of symptoms and sequelae. Some examples 
include a servicemember's neurocognitive testing helps to understand 
disruption of cognitive domains, levels of functioning, and emotional 
regulation. Assessment of sleep disturbances is also a critical 
component in the assessment and treatment of TBI, sub concussive 
events, blast exposure, and psychological health conditions. In 
addition, utilization of the creative arts therapies has been 
advantageous in the externalization of otherwise compartmentalized and 
untreated symptoms for servicemembers.

    47. Senator Ernst. Dr. Zafonte, are there other alternatives 
available Automated Neuropsychological Assessment Metrics (A-NAM) test 
that is used by the DOD an accurate method of detecting changes in 
cognition that can lead to a TBI diagnosis?
    Dr. Zafonte. ANAM is used to assess for cognitive deficits acutely, 
usually within the first week, following a traumatic brain injury. It 
is typically used in the first few days following a mild traumatic 
brain injury. There has been a large amount of research published over 
the past 15 years relating to using ANAM and other neuropsychological 
test batteries for this purpose. Each battery carries known limitations 
and strengths. To address this question adequately, a working group 
would need to review the State of the science on this topic.

    48. Senator Ernst. Dr. Zafonte, would wearable devices assist in 
the diagnosis of these types of TBI? If so, what kind?
    Dr. Zafonte. Implementing wearable technology to detect blast 
exposure represents a significant advancement in identifying 
servicemembers at cumulative risk and refining exposure thresholds. 
These devices can continuously monitor environmental factors and 
physical responses, providing real-time data on blast intensity and 
frequency. This information is crucial in recognizing those who might 
be at increased risk due to repeated low-level exposures that could 
cumulatively result in significant harm.
    While wearable technology offers valuable insights, it is important 
to understand that it does not diagnose traumatic brain injuries (TBI) 
on its own. Instead, these devices serve as an early warning system, 
raising suspicion of potential injuries based on exposure patterns. 
They provide additional evidence that clinicians can use to make more 
informed decisions about further evaluation and potential intervention.
    By integrating data from wearable technology with clinical 
assessments, we can enhance our ability to identify at-risk individuals 
early, potentially before significant symptoms manifest. This proactive 
approach supports better outcomes by enabling timely and targeted care, 
ultimately improving the health and readiness of our servicemembers.

    49. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Captain Williams, 
earlier, we heard from Mr. Larkin, whose son Ryan had microscopic tears 
on his brain that were not detectable on MRI and PET scans. What 
methods are there to diagnose TBIs like this?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Captain Williams. There is no approved 
technology to radiographically diagnose microscopic tears. These 
injuries can be below the resolution of conventional and advanced 
imagery; therefore, a variety of assessment and treatment approaches 
are utilized to identify neurological network disruptions. This makes 
the interdisciplinary model critical for targeting treatment and 
recovery, as well as deploying investigatory technology such as MEG and 
Quantitative Electroencephalography (QEEG).
    See comment on question 46 above for additional information.

    50. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, when will the DOD 
transition from the pre-deployment neurocognitive testing to the 
broader screening program?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. The Department plans to expand the 
current cognitive assessment testing beginning June 2024 at 15 initial 
military training sites.

    51. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, what neurocognitive 
test are you using and why is this best suited for our servicemembers?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. For several years, the DOD has used the 
ANAM as the primary neurocognitive test to meet the requirements 
outlined in DOD Instruction 6490.13, ``Comprehensive Policy on 
Traumatic Brain Injury-Related Neurocognitive Assessments by the 
Military Services,'' September 11, 2015, as amended. The Army has been 
the lead agent in executing the Department's neurocognitive program and 
has collected over 3.7 million baseline tests (approximately 93-95 
percent are pre-deployment). A sample size of the data within the 
repository supported the publication of the ``Long-Term Test--Retest 
Stability of ANAM in a Large Military Sample \1\.'' The study results 
indicate that the use of the ANAM baseline for comparison can be done 
up to 5 years, thus the baseline results are stable. To date the 
Department continues to use the ANAM as the primary neurocognitive test 
as there has been no data to demonstrate superiority of another 
assessment tool, despite head-to-head comparison studies of 
computerized neurocognitive tests \2\.
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    \1\ Meyers J. (2019). Long-Term Test-Retest of ANAM in a Large 
Military Sample. Archives of Clinical Neuropsychology 35 (2020) 70-74.
    \2\ Wesley C. (2017). A Comparison of Four Computerized 
Neurocognitive Assessment Tools to a Traditional Neuropsychological 
Test Battery in servicemembers with and without Mild Traumatic Brain 
Injury. Archives of Clinical Neuropsychology 33 (2018) 102-119.

    52. Senator Ernst. Ms. Lee, what information are you providing to 
servicemembers and their families about the Warfighter Brain Health 
Initiative?
    Ms. Lee. In additional to information provided to servicemembers 
seen in TBI clinics, we have education and awareness efforts tailored 
for military and family members. The WBH Hub, established in December 
2023 (at health.mil/brain), serves as the single source of information 
on brain health topics. Our goal is to make the latest brain health 
information easy to access for our servicemembers, providers, families, 
and the public and provide a bridge from our clinical community to the 
operational environment.

    53. Senator Ernst. Ms. Lee, what positive impacts has the 
Warfighter Brain Health Initiative made on the servicemembers and their 
families?
    Ms. Lee. The outreach activities that support the WBH Initiative 
(WBHI) have positively impacted the overall awareness of the importance 
of optimizing brain health. Due to multiple educational efforts, 
especially throughout March, which is Brain Injury Awareness Month, 
servicemembers and their families have increased knowledge and 
resources available to them. The WBHI offers extensive support in areas 
crucial to military relevance, including cognitive performance, brain 
health, BOP exposures, TBI evaluations, treatments, care, and long term 
or late effects of brain exposures and injuries. This broad scope 
provides numerous opportunities for positively impacting the readiness 
of the Force and enhancing the quality of life for servicemembers and 
their families.

    54. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, how is the 
Department screening servicemembers who may have developed TBI in a 
deployed location?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. DODI 6490.11, ``DOD Policy 
Guidance for Management of Mild Traumatic Brain Injury/Concussion in 
the Deployed Setting,'' September 18, 2012, as amended, directs a 
medical screening and evaluation of a servicemember that has been 
involved in a potentially concussive event, such as being 50 meters or 
closer to a blast incident. DOD policy dictates that the MACE 2 
screening tool and PRA are used nearest to time of injury and drive 
clinical decisionmaking for immediate care. Upon redeployment there are 
standardized medical assessments which occur twice and are facilitated 
through the Post Deployment Health Assessment Form DD 2796 and the Post 
Deployment Health Re Assessment Form DD 2900. All military health care 
facilities have providers trained in TBI screening with the ability to 
refer patients to one of the TBI clinics or to the Defense Intrepid 
Network for TBI and Brain Health for more comprehensive care. As a part 
of the continuum of care, servicemembers receive ongoing evaluation and 
treatment by a primary care provider during the annual Periodic Health 
Assessment, and those individuals reporting a history of TBI (or 
circumstances suggestive of the possibility) are further assessed for 
their Service or treatment needs.

    55. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, what can 
the DOD do to expedite developing a system to monitor blast exposure 
among servicemembers?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. The DOD has multiple efforts 
underway, the first major step was the Assistant Secretary of Defense 
for Readiness memorandum (discussed above), published November 4, 2022, 
``Interim Guidance for Managing Brain Health Risk from Blast 
Overpressure.'' This memorandum provided guidance to implement the 
following mitigation strategies: (1) minimizing the number of personnel 
in the vicinity of BOP events; (2) increasing standoff distances from 
weapons; (3) minimizing the duration of live fire events; (4) 
establishing a maximum allowable number of rounds that may be fired 
during each event or time period; (5) ensuring application and 
appropriate use of personal protective gear and equipment (e.g., 
hearing protection); and (6) training and educating on blast 
overpressure hazards and risk management actions.
    The Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs is working 
with the Military Departments the Assistant Secretary of Defense for 
Readiness, and DOD's Public Health and occupational health subject 
matter experts to develop a dose response curve for BOP (currently this 
does not exist in either the military or the civilian sector). In 
parallel, we are seeking supplementary data sources and ammunition 
distribution logs that might provide blast exposure by weapon system or 
round with both timing and unit level information. Last, the DHA is 
leading a BCA on BOP monitoring, with a projected completion of 
December 2024. The BCA will evaluate various methods for monitoring and 
documenting BOP exposures, such as recording shot counts, using MOS's 
as proxies for blast exposure, surveys and questionnaires through self-
reporting, and wearable blast sensors.

    56. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain 
Williams, can you detail the current State of brain-computer interface 
(BCI) technology and how it's being utilized within the Department of 
Defense (DOD) to detect, measure, or assist in recovery from traumatic 
brain injuries (TBIs) among servicemembers?''
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain Williams. The DIN 
uses Bio and Neurofeedback (NFB) as a form of BCI. BCI represents a 
body of science focused on the acquisition of brain signals, signal 
analysis and translation into commands that control an external device 
to replace or restore useful function to people with neurological/
neuromuscular disorders.
    In the DIN, utilization of BCI focuses on techniques designed to 
improve internal brain-body performance by acquiring brain wave 
information and augmenting brain wave band power through NFB. NFB 
converts neural signals into visual, auditory, and tactile information, 
and the subject can selectively enhance or inhibit certain components 
to promote learning and regulate brain function through real-time NFB 
training. Studies in the DIN network and in the academic community have 
demonstrated the ability to enhance performance in memory, 
concentration, and limb movement. A similar process is used in 
biofeedback to regulate internal brain-heart coherence, sweat response, 
respiration rate and skin temperature to modulate the bodies autonomic 
nervous system. Additionally, NICoE is leveraging MEG technology in 
research protocols to characterize the complex waveform harmonics of 
the brain in understanding distortion and patterns in posttraumatic 
stress disorder. These precision real-time characterizations may 
provide future strategies for improving treatment of posttraumatic 
stress and other behavioral health disorders in the setting of 
traumatic brain injury.

    57. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain 
Williams, how is BCI technology being planned for and/or transitioned 
from various innovation and R&D portfolios across the Department and 
services to be integrated into operational routines to potentially 
monitor and measure overall brain health and TBI indicators from the 
time of entry into service until completion of service for our 
servicemembers?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain Williams. The DOD, 
to include the DIN, does not currently utilize BCI technology for 
monitoring of overall brain health and TBI indicators during service. 
We will continue to evaluate findings from our research investments for 
possible integration where appropriate.
    See comment on question 56 above for more information.

    58. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain 
Williams, what are the projected priorities, investments, and key 
developments in the field of BCI technology over the current FYDP and 
future needs for the Department, specifically as it relates to improved 
monitoring, data, and improved detection to improve outcomes for 
servicemembers with TBI?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain Williams. There are 
currently no set clinical priorities for BCI technology.
    See comment on question 56 above for more information.

    59. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain 
Williams, what is the current protocol, cadence, and process for a 
servicemember to be identified as being at risk for TBI, evaluated, and 
subsequent followup? Please include associated timelines, general cost 
per servicemember, and confidence/accuracy of reliable TBI detection at 
scale.
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain Williams. 
Comprehensive screening protocols to identify servicemembers being at 
risk for TBI include assessing for potential risk factors such as 
history of head injuries, behavioral health conditions, and combat 
exposure. Cadence of screenings varies depending on factors such as 
deployment cycles, mission requirements and changes in individual 
health status. Deployment cycle evaluations include the pre deployment 
health assessment, the post deployment health assessment and the post 
deployment health reassessment, which are all opportunities for 
servicemembers to be identified as being at risk for TBI and evaluated. 
Throughout all these standardized processes, if a servicemember is 
identified as being at risk for TBI, then they are referred for further 
evaluation. There is no monetary cost to the servicemember.

    60. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain 
Williams, what congressional support and guidance needs to be provided 
in order for the Department of Defense to have the necessary 
authorities and resources to ensure that the personnel and healthcare 
leadership across each service are able to develop and employ programs 
that would use BCI technology to monitor, track and mitigate risks such 
as TBI, costly fatigue/focus mishaps, or other relevant brain health 
categories?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and Captain Williams. The 
Department has the necessary authorities to employ BCI technology to 
monitor, track, and mitigate risks such as TBI, which would require a 
prospective longitudinally monitored program to establish a normative 
data set with neurocognitive testing, blood biomarkers, cerebral 
vasomotor reactivity measurements and quantitative 
electroencephalography matched against time in service, and the 
tracking of various Military Occupational Specialties with different 
levels of exposure to different weapons systems (including Explosive 
Ordinance Disposal, Special Warfare Combatant Crewmen personnel, and 
paratroopers).
    See comment on question 56, 57 and 58 above for more information.
                          treatment approaches
    61. Senator Ernst. Ms. Lee, during your tenure at the Warfighter 
Brain Health Policy Initiative, what non-conventional treatments have 
been seen to be effective in treating TBI?
    Ms. Lee. The Defense Intrepid Network for TBI and Brain Health 
utilizes many innovative and non-conventional treatments to help 
relieve symptoms and to optimize functioning and well-being. Many of 
these treatments are undergoing empirical validation of their 
effectiveness. Some examples of these treatments include biofeedback 
and mindfulness training, acupuncture, therapeutic arts, such as music, 
writing, art, dance and movement, and animal engagement, such as canine 
and equine therapy.

    62. Senator Ernst. Captain Williams, Intrepid Centers offer 
specialized treatments focused on treating TBI that are not widely 
available at other military treatment facilities. Can you describe some 
of these treatments and their effectiveness in treating TBI?
    Captain Williams. Repetitive TBI operational stressors can result 
in an overall disruption of brain health characterized by a wide 
variety of symptoms and conditions. The key to treatment is the 
establishment of a patient-centric interdisciplinary holistic program, 
to address the injuries of mind, body, brain, and spirit, to enhance 
return to duty, and improve interpersonal relationships, and overall 
functioning.
    The DIN uses an interdisciplinary model of care, where the 
treatment team specialties to treat TBI and associated psychological 
health conditions are co-located within one facility. The NICoE program 
leverages the co-localization of 18 disciplines and treatment 
modalities combine conventional neurological, behavioral health and 
rehabilitation therapies with integrative medicine interventions and 
educational modules to promote a culture of healing, self-efficacy, and 
self-advocacy. This includes creative arts therapies (art therapy, 
dance movement therapy and music therapy) that provide an essential 
integrated behavioral health approach, in conjunction with mind-body 
wellness services, biofeedback, and psychological health services. 
Integration of this ``high touch'' to the ``high tech'' paradigm, 
includes neuroimaging, neuro-optometry, audiology, vestibular testing, 
and augmented reality/virtual reality assessment and treatment. NICoE 
and other DIN sites also teach detailed cognitive strategy and 
assistive technology training, including the Brain Fitness Center, 
which uses personal cognitive training programs.
    The interdisciplinary team approach expedites diagnostic evaluation 
and helps achieve a collaborative comprehensive care plan. Studies have 
shown significant improvement using this model of care in recovery 
across multiple neurological and behavioral health domains. Since the 
onset, there are now 13 centers that use this interdisciplinary model 
for both intensive outpatient programs and extended outpatient 
programs.
    The NICoE intensive outpatient program includes the scheduling of 
105-130 separate encounters (varies with individual need) across 4 
weeks with the assessment and treatment across 18 disciplines. The 
clinical program is informed by research conducted at the NICoE and 
with academic and industry partners. Our research has demonstrated 
statistically significant and clinically meaningful recovery across 
seven major domains of functioning.

    63. Senator Ernst. Captain Williams, how do we make these 
treatments more accessible to servicemembers with TBIs?
    Captain Williams. The formalization of the DIN will accelerate the 
standardization of TBI specialty care across the DHA and increase 
programs that provide the same high-quality care for our beneficiaries. 
Our best practices can be utilized by all TBI providers across the 
military health system.
    The establishment of the DIN supports local and regional patient 
populations, as well as local and regional referring entities. It will 
allow expansion of services and sharing of resources within the DIN 
sites via telehealth services. The primary focus will be Active Duty 
servicemembers who have experienced a TBI, are at greatest risk of TBI 
injury and blast exposure, or those who may experience sub-concussive 
events. Formalization of the DIN will also allow for retirees and 
beneficiaries to access services. The DIN also strives to partner with 
other Centers of Excellence to continue expansion and accessibility of 
care.
    In addition, the Continuum of Caring, Healing and Thriving 
Initiative (the Continuum) is intended to facilitate a seamless 
transition of care by sharing resources for mental health treatment and 
peer networks at the Department of Veterans Affairs and non-
governmental organizations, creating great opportunities for public-
private partnerships and to work closer with operational units to 
prevent, educate and build resilience in the warfighter (aligning with 
lines of effort of the Warfighter Brain Health Initiative). The 
Continuum will allow the DIN the opportunity to support servicemembers 
in their journey long after they have completed treatment, with peer 
support and case management, and assist them as they transition into 
civilian life.

    64. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Dr. Williams: The 
legislation responsible for the creation of the National Intrepid 
Center of Excellence is 15-years old, yet I understand that your 
program is not a ``program of record'' for the Department of Defense. 
Is that accurate, and if so, why is that the case? What are the 
implications of not being a program of record?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, and Captain Williams. Yes, the DIN, which 
includes the NICoE, is not a program of record. As the TBI facilities 
have become a network with centralized governance, establishing the DIN 
as a program of record is the next step.
    Activities that are not a program of record do not have a separate 
allocation of funds for that activity. That means the activity is 
included in the overall medical facility funding and must compete with 
other personnel and resource funding priorities. The impact to care can 
be more consequential at DIN sites where there is a model of care 
utilizing unique staffing patterns and there may be little capability 
in the private sector. Presently, the NICoE, and associated DIN TBI 
clinics are funded from Defense Health Program dollars for their 
respective military medical treatment facilities.

    65. Senator Ernst. Captain Williams, what recommendations would you 
make to improve the Department's ability to treat military personnel 
who, as part of the job, are repeatedly exposed to low-level blasts?
    Captain Williams. Start conducting baseline identification upon 
entering the military and/or engaging in high-risk Military 
Occupational Specialties, including neurocognitive testing, and 
monitoring over time and/or change in functioning. It is also crucial 
to support early career training on sleep hygiene, dietary/nutritional 
assessment, exercises that promote autonomic control, and emotional 
regulation. Behavioral health assessments and treatment following 
deployment are also important to introduce behavioral health as self-
care and teach team member monitoring as part of the culture of peak 
combat performance. This will help minimize the stigma of prevention 
and increase resilience.
                   warfighter brain health initiative
    66. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, in order 
to assess the operation needs of the Services with regard to the 
Warfighter Brain Health Initiative, how does the DOD/DHA maintain 
awareness of the needs and concerns of the operational communities that 
they support?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. DOD governance structures are 
the primary means by which we maintain awareness of the needs and 
concerns of the operational community. I, as the Assistant Secretary of 
Defense for Health Affairs, coordinate through the Under Secretary of 
Defense for Personnel and Readiness, with the Assistant Secretary of 
Defense for Readiness and other senior officials within the Office of 
the Secretary of Defense, to execute requirements related to 
operational communities. To maintain awareness, DOD leverages the 
current MHS governance structure, which includes representatives from 
the Military Departments, and executes operational needs and 
requirements through the Joint Staff processes and initiatives.

    67. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, how are 
the military department's priorities communicated to the DHA Commander 
and staff and likewise, what is the mechanism for DHA to engage with 
senior operational leaders providing updates on the evolving science 
impacting the Military Department's personnel health and readiness?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. Refer to question 66 above 
for the same mechanism to communicate the Departments priorities.

    68. Senator Ernst. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, who in DHA 
has the responsibility for drafting the requirement/Capabilities 
Development Document for the blast dosimeter program? Has this process 
already started? What is the status of the program?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. A blast dosimeter program has 
not been developed. The DHA J5 (Strategy, Plans and Policy) is 
responsible for drafting requirements documents. Currently the MHS has 
published Initial Capabilities Documents addressing research solutions 
for WBH, combat casualty care and military operational medicine, which 
will support the development of Capabilities Development Documents for 
a blast dosimeter program.
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              Questions Submitted by Senator Dan Sullivan
                   marine artillerymen tbis in syria
    69. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, in 
large scale combat operations against a peer adversary, artillerymen 
are going to fire thousands of rounds. Can you tell me what the DOD is 
doing to ensure the experience of the marines who were deployed to 
Syria in 2016 and 2017, as reported in the New York Times article from 
November 5, 2023 titled ``A Secret War, Strange New Wounds, and Silence 
from the Pentagon,'' is not repeated?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. In response to recent 
casualty events in Syria, the Department reviewed its procedures in 
place for the reporting of potentially concussive events (PCE) and its 
management of TBI. It is important to acknowledge that our 
understanding and focus on brain injury and pivot to WBH is evolving. 
Before WBH our medical and policy practices included exposures to PCEs 
but remained focused on TBI by traditional definitions. In the standing 
up of the WBH program we are acknowledging the relationship between 
``sub-concussive'' BOP and symptoms and seeking to expand our 
screening, treatment, and followup. Accordingly, the DOD's review 
included an in-depth look at TBI related documentation, screening, 
diagnosis, treatment, follow-on care, and reporting as prescribed in 
DOD policy. The review also provided insight into the mild TBI (mTBI) 
rates resultant from a drone attack on a forward operating base, which 
represents an emerging threat to the Joint Force. Early detection and 
treatment for mTBI remains essential to maximizing patient outcomes and 
ensuring the prompt and safe return of our warfighters to duty. The 
Department will continue to review our processes and procedures as part 
of policy oversight and compliance functions.
                       tbi prevention & treatment
    70. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, how is 
the DOD's approach to TBI prevention changing as new data is gathered?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. The biggest shift is one from 
a TBI centric approach to a more holistic approach to WBH. As insights 
grew from research investments and the experiences of military 
providers caring for servicemembers with TBI in combat and the home 
front, the DOD developed novel treatment paradigms and policy to 
maximize utilization across the force. By 2018, military leaders began 
to explore the hypothesis that BOP exposures could result in brain 
health changes similar to those seen with diagnosed concussions. Also 
in 2018, the Deputy Secretary of Defense directed the development of a 
comprehensive strategy and action plan to promote brain health and 
counter TBI. The DOD's WBHI is a joint effort between operational and 
medical forces. The focus is to optimize WBH, specifically cognitive 
and physical performance, identify known and emerging brain threats in 
military environments, and detect brain injury immediately when it 
occurs to combat its effects on warfighters, their families, first line 
leaders/commanders, and their communities at large. As part of our 
responsibility to our Nation and the troops defending it, DOD wants to 
reduce the risks of exposure to known and emerging brain threats, such 
as BOP, head impact, and directed energy. Our commitment is to 
understand, prevent, accurately diagnose, and promptly treat BOP and 
effects in all its forms in all operating environments. This means that 
we are committed to understanding, through our research investments and 
field experiences, the role that BOP exposures plays in sustaining 
TBI's. In support of these policy initiatives, we continue to focus on 
how to disseminate best practices, new research findings and resources 
about WBH. The WBH Hub, established in December 2023, at health.mil/
brain, serves as the single source of information on brain health 
topics. Our goal is to make the latest brain health information easy to 
access for our servicemembers, providers, families, and the public and 
service as a bridge from our clinical community to the operational 
environment. These linkages are critical for TBI prevention efforts.

    71. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, how is 
the DOD's approach to TBI treatment changing as new data is gathered?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. Through the DHA's Acute 
Concussion Care Pathway, the Department has been able to direct the 
usage of State of the science tools that are improved and updated as 
new data is gathered. This care pathway, tailored to each 
servicemember, was established with the goal of improving recovery 
times and outcomes by utilizing the MACE 2 to ensure brain health 
deficits were identified even if only detectable in a subset of 
clinical domains. These tools also help ensure timely access to repeat 
evaluations with personalized treatment protocols that are demonstrated 
to accelerate injury recovery through individualized progressive return 
to activity processes. This pathway resulted in the clinical screening 
of approximately 20,000 first time TBI diagnosed servicemembers across 
the Military Services in fiscal year 2023.
    As discussed above, the MACE 2 is an acute assessment tool for all 
medically trained personnel who treat servicemembers involved in a 
potentially concussive event. This tool incorporates current state-of-
the-science TBI assessment, including balance, eye movements and 
cognitive screening. This clinical advance was driven by the DOD, first 
though research to clarify what was needed, and then through early 
adoption. The DOD is currently preparing a shortened version of the 
MACE 2 based on feedback from medical staff utilization in combat that 
will enable more rapid screening. As noted, the MACE 2 supports the PRA 
protocol that has demonstrated accelerated recovery through 
individualized treatment. The tool was updated in January 2023 with new 
data that had been gathered. Additionally, the DHA also coordinates 
with our research community through formal review and analysis meetings 
to evaluate research findings that can be translated into practices and 
tools to help improve treatment options available to those with TBI.

    72. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, are DOD 
medical personnel appropriately trained and equipped to identify and 
diagnose TBIs?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. Yes, DOD medical personnel 
are trained to identify and diagnose TBIs. Training content and 
platforms are evolving as clinical translation opportunities arise from 
research findings. Additionally, the Department continues to provide 
opportunities for awareness and training for providers, most recently 
through the release of the WBH hub at www.health.mil/brain. Military 
Services issue TBI diagnostic equipment based on roles of care and 
individual Service mission requirements.

    73. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, can you 
describe the various echelons of care under which a servicemember is 
initially exposed to a blast (say like the many recently injured by 
drove and rocket attacks in Syria and Iraq), assessed, diagnosed with a 
TBI, and then treated?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. The military's medical system 
is organized into several echelons of care, often referred to as 
``Roles of Care.'' These roles outline the different levels of medical 
support available to military personnel depending on their location, 
the severity of their injuries, and the resources available. While 
specific terminology and organization may vary between different 
Military Departments, a typical framework includes the following:
      Role 1 (Unit-Level Medical Care) medical personnel 
provide primary health care, tactical combat casualty care, triage, 
resuscitation, walking blood bank, and stabilization. Initial 
management of TBI care begins at point of injury, where medical 
personnel are trained in evaluation, treatment, management, and 
evacuation of patients diagnosed with mild, moderate, to severe TBIs.
      Role 2 (Forward Trauma Management and Emergency Medical 
Treatment). Role 2 medical personnel provide reassessments of TBI 
patients further trauma management and emergency medical treatment, 
including continuation of resuscitation started in Role 1.
      Role 3 (Theater Hospitalization). In Role 3, the patient 
is treated in a MTF staffed and equipped to provide care to all 
categories of patients, to include resuscitation, initial wound 
surgery, and postoperative treatment. TBI patients receive 
comprehensive care including advanced diagnostics, surgical 
interventions, critical care, medication management, and early 
rehabilitation services ensuring thorough treatment and stabilization. 
These facilities provide both immediate and ongoing medical support to 
manage brain injuries and associated complications.
      Role 4 Care (Definitive Care). Role 4 medical care is 
found in US-based hospitals and robust overseas MTFs. Role 4 represents 
the highest level of definitive medical care available within the MHS 
or the United States. These facilities provide specialized treatment 
for servicemembers who suffered a TBI, including advanced medical and 
surgical care, intensive rehabilitation services (physical, 
occupational, and speech therapy) long-term neurological and 
psychological support, and continuous monitoring to facilitate recovery 
and reintegration.
    The events in Syria triggered a medical screening for concussion 
using the MACE 2. Providers are trained to conduct this assessment at 
all Roles of care, although, based on operational requirements, this 
may be deferred to a higher role of care.
    As discussed above, the MACE 2 is multimodal in that it captures 
assessment information from many health care areas such as balance, eye 
movements, cognition, report of symptoms and key past medical history 
that can prolong the recovery from a concussion. Acute TBI care is 
provided throughout the Roles of care with checkups to ensure recovery. 
There are standardized tools, such as the PRA protocol, that outline 
state-of-the-art treatments as well as how to return servicemembers to 
duty and full function. The PRA specifically allows clinicians to 
follow recovery of symptoms identified in the MACE 2 and offer 
treatment tailored to a servicemember's specific deficits (e.g., 
symptoms). There are also programs in place to screen for mild TBI and 
offer followup care during redeployment.
        If recovery does not occur as expected, the DOD has a wide 
        range of clinical services to assist with more in-depth care. 
        DOD has specialty clinical and comprehensive interdisciplinary 
        centers of excellence for TBI and brain health. These programs 
        have been developed to deliver a holistic patient centered 
        interdisciplinary TBI model of care. Behavioral health services 
        can include psychiatry, psychology, and social work. Additional 
        services may include neurology, sleep medicine, pain 
        management, and rehabilitation services such as balance and 
        vision therapy. These centers of excellence also offer 
        innovative treatments such as creative arts therapies, animal-
        assisted therapies, and mind-body wellness services.

    74. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, are there 
standardized TBI screenings that are part of pre and post-deployment 
medical examinations?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez. Yes. As a part of the continuum of care, 
servicemembers receive ongoing TBI screenings and evaluation by a 
primary care provider during the annual Periodic Health Assessment, and 
those individuals reporting a history of TBI (or circumstances 
suggestive of the possibility) are further assessed for treatment 
needs. Historically, the focus in medical assessments after deployment 
has been exposures, including blast related exposures, and symptom 
based, with the latter typically driving the need for further 
assessments or treatment. Standardized medical assessments occur twice 
after deployment and are facilitated through the Post Deployment Health 
Assessment Form DD 2796 and the Post Deployment Health Re Assessment 
Form DD 2900. All MTFs have providers trained in TBI screening with the 
ability to refer patients to one of the TBI clinics or the Defense 
Intrepid Network for TBI and Brain Health for more comprehensive care.

    75. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Captain 
Williams, since TBI injuries can present differently and at various 
times post-injury, at what time intervals post-deployment/post-exercise 
do servicemembers undergo TBI screening?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, and Captain Williams. Post deployment 
health assessments occur twice; 30 days before or after redeployment 
and then 90 to 180 days after redeployment. TBI screening occurs during 
those times.

    76. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and 
Captain Williams, has DOD compiled blast data from its inventory of 
weapon systems to determine TBI risk based on system and duration of 
exposure?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Captain Williams and Ms. Lee. The Office 
of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment 
(OUSD(A&S)) is responsible for the acquisition policies. DOD Components 
are responsible to evaluate environment, safety and occupational health 
risks in the weapons systems acquisition processes in accordance with 
the guidance contained in Military Standard (MIL STD) 882E \3\.
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    77. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and 
Captain Williams, which office in the DOD is responsible for assessing 
TBI risk from individual weapon system operation?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Captain Williams and Ms. Lee. The Office 
of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment 
(OUSD(A&S)) is responsible for the acquisition policies. DOD Components 
are responsible to evaluate environment, safety and occupational health 
risks in the weapons systems acquisition processes in accordance with 
the guidance contained in Military Standard (MIL STD) 882E3.

    78. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and 
Captain Williams, are weapon manufacturers required to provide blast 
overpressure data to the DOD?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Captain Williams and Ms. Lee. My office 
is not aware of any manufacturer requirements to provide BOP data to 
the Component capability developer or program managers (PMs) nor of any 
refusal to provide requested environmental, safety, or occupational 
health (ESOH) data.

    79. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Ms. Lee, and 
Captain Williams, have any weapon manufacturers been asked to provide 
blast overpressure data to the DOD and refused?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez, Captain Williams and Ms. Lee. My office 
is not aware of any manufacturer requirements to provide BOP data to 
the Component capability developer or program mangers, nor of any 
refusal to provide requested ESOH data.
                    tbi injury tracking & data bases
    80. Senator Sullivan. Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee, do 
tracking mechanisms or medical data bases exist for TBI baselines and 
injury assessments, much like they do for hearing audiograms, which 
stay with servicemembers their full career and get transferred to the 
VA once they exit the military?
    Secretary Martinez-Lopez and Ms. Lee. Currently there is no tool 
used to establish a traumatic brain injury baseline and the current 
tracking mechanisms that exist for TBI baselines and injury assessments 
are not similar to hearing audiograms. However, there is a data 
repository for baseline neurocognitive assessments. Currently, the 
baseline neurocognitive assessments do not get automatically 
transferred to the VA when a military member separates or retires. The 
VA does have access to the neurocognitive assessments upon initiation 
by a VA clinician to request the results.

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