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                  DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION 
 REQUEST FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 AND THE FUTURE YEARS 
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                      COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

                                   ON

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     TO AUTHORIZE APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 FOR MILITARY 
ACTIVITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, FOR MILITARY CONSTRUCTION, AND 
   FOR DEFENDSE ACTIVITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. TO PRESCRIBE 
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                      COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES

 JACK REED, Rhode Island, Chairman    ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi
JEANNE SHAHEEN, New Hampshire         DEB FISCHER, Nebraska
KIRSTEN E. GILLIBRAND, New York       TOM COTTON, Arkansas
RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut       MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii               JONI ERNST, Iowa
TIM KAINE, Virginia                   DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
ANGUS S. KING, Jr., Maine             KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts       RICK SCOTT, Florida
GARY C. PETERS, Michigan              TOMMY TUBERVILLE, Alabama
JOE MANCHIN, West Virginia            MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma
TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois             TED BUDD, North Carolina
JACKY ROSEN, Nevada                   ERIC SCHMITT, Missouri,
MARK KELLY, Arizona                  
                                    
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                    
                                     
 Elizabeth L. King, Staff Director
  John P. Keast, Minority Staff 
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                        Subcommittee on Airland

MARK KELLY, Arizona, Chairman       TOM COTTON, Arkansas
RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut     DEB FISCHER, Nebraska
ANGUS S. KING, Jr., Maine           JONI ERNST, Iowa
GARY C. PETERS, Michigan            RICK SCOTT, Florida
JOE MANCHIN, West Virginia          MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma
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Army Modernization...............................................     1

                           Member Statements

Statement of Senator Mark Kelly..................................     1

Statement of Senator Tom Cotton..................................     3

                           Witness Statements

Bush, The Honorable Douglas R., Assistant Secretary of the Army       5
  for Acquisition, Logistics and Technology.

Rainey, General James E., Commanding General, United States Army      6
  Futures Command.

Schmidt, Major General Michelle A., Director, Force Development,      8
  G-8, United States Army.

Questions for the Record.........................................    35

                             april 26, 2023

2Air Force Modernization ........................................    45

                           Member Statements

Statement of Senator Mark Kelly..................................    45

Statement of Senator Tom Cotton..................................    47

                           Witness Statements

Hunter, The Honorable Andrew P., Assistant Secretary of the Air      48
  Force for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics.

Slife, Lieutenant General James C., USAF, Deputy Chief of Staff      51
  for Operations.

Hinote, Lieutenant General S. Clinton, USAF, Deputy Chief of         52
  Staff for Strategy, Integration, and Requirements.

Moore, Lieutenant General Richard G., Jr., USAF, Deputy Chief of     53
  Staff for Plans and Programs.

Questions for the Record.........................................    92

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   DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION REQUEST FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR
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                        TUESDAY, APRIL 18, 2023

                      United States Senate,
                           Subcommittee on Airland,
                               Committee on Armed Services,
                                                    Washington, DC.

                           ARMY MODERNIZATION

    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:30 p.m., in 
room 232A, Russell Senate Office Building, Senator Mark Kelly 
(Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
    Subcommittee Members present: Senators Kelly, Peters, 
Duckworth, Cotton, Fischer, Ernst, and Scott.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR MARK KELLY

    Senator Kelly. The Airland Subcommittee will come to order. 
First, I would like to say how honored I am to have the 
opportunity to chair this Subcommittee and its oversight 
responsibilities of our Nation's primary land and air forces.
    Not sure how a Navy guy got this job, but don't worry, I am 
not going to start asking Army and Air Force pilots to land on 
a ship. Luckily, I have got an Army guy next to me to partner 
with.
    Senator Cotton, I look forward to working with you and all 
of the Committee Members as we continue the Subcommittee's 
collaborative approach during this critical time. I know we can 
find broad agreement within the Subcommittee and work jointly 
to confront the issues facing our soldiers, our airmen, and 
their families.
    I would like to welcome our witnesses to the hearing this 
afternoon, Mr. Douglas Bush, Assistant Secretary of the Army 
for
Acquisition, Logistics and Technology, General James Rainey, 
Commanding General, Army Futures Command, and Major General 
Michelle Schmidt, the Director of Force Development or Army G8.
    I welcome each of you and thank you for your service, and 
your willingness to appear before us today. As we meet to 
review the Department of the Army's Investment and 
Modernization Strategy as presented in the fiscal year 2024 
budget request, I want to acknowledge the work soldiers are 
doing all across the globe and express our gratitude to them 
and their families for the vital role that they play.
    Today's Army remains engaged in operations and training 
events worldwide that build confidence and interoperability 
with our allies and our partners, test and experiment with 
equipment to identify needs, capabilities, and present combat 
credible forces to deter our competitors.
    Today, as Ukrainians battle to defend their homeland, 
thousands of United States soldiers remain deployed to the 
European continent to deter the expansion of Russian 
aggression. I had the occasion to meet many members of the 10th 
Mountain Division in Poland just last week. These missions 
underscore both the complexity of contested logistics and the 
importance of our pre-positioned stocks.
    Operations in Ukraine also demonstrate how critical 
effective multi-domain operations are for a ground force, as 
well as the power that joint and coalition operations can have. 
They also provide a stark contrast to the complexities the 
Joint Force would face if compelled to conduct similar 
operations in a contested maritime theater.
    This is why the Army's focus on long range fires, 
integrated air missile defense, deep sensing and contested 
logistics is critical to the current and the future force. We 
look forward to hearing about lessons learned over the past 
year. As we begin work on the 2024 National Defense 
Authorization Act, we recognize that the Army continues to 
operate with a largely flat budget.
    At the same time, the Army is providing significant 
equipment and munitions in support of Ukraine. Mr. Bush, we 
have had occasion to discuss this work before, and today I 
would like to hear how the Army is using the replenishment of 
these items to build future modernization in concert with the 
organic industrial base modernization strategy, and your 
assessment of any additional risks the Army may be incurring in 
discussion of any additional resources or flexibilities that 
would further improve munitions development and production.
    In this budget submission, the Army continues to prioritize 
its signature modernization efforts while slowing procurement 
of enduring capabilities. This supports the current National 
Defense Strategy that I think accurately ranks China as the 
most consequential strategic competitor and the pacing 
challenge for the Department.
    As you all know, China has been investing heavily in its 
military and in emerging technologies, and the best way to 
deter them is not to just keep pace on the cutting edge, but 
also to continue modernizing our forces to make clear to our 
adversaries that they cannot beat us on the battlefield.
    At the same time, Russia continues to demonstrate an 
aggressive posture, and operations in Europe remind us that 
enduring systems require modernization investments too. We 
would like to better understand how the Army is balancing risk 
between newer modernization priorities and supporting enduring 
programs.
    We are interested in the specific investments and 
capabilities the Army included in the 2024 budget requests that 
continue the implementation of the current National Defense 
Strategy (NDS), including efforts across six modernization 
priorities, which are long range precision fires, next 
generation combat vehicles, future vertical lift, the Army 
network, air and missile defense, soldier lethality, and its 
rapid capability--capabilities' development efforts in 
hypersonics, directed energy, indirect fire protection, and 
mid-range capability.
    We appreciate the Army's employment of more flexible 
acquisition authorities and increased use of experimentation 
and soldier touch points to better defined capabilities and 
requirements. The Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona has been a 
proud host for signature efforts like Project Convergence, 
which continues to guide modernization activity.
    These practices make more rapid fielding possible, and we 
applaud the Army's progress in this area and are interested in 
the Army's assessment of its current testing and training 
facilities, that capability and that capacity to support the 
modernization force.
    The broader organic industrial base also remains critical 
to the Army's overall modernization strategy. We would like to 
better understand how the Army is ensuring that it is 
identifying and maintaining critical industrial capacity. The 
Army is now faced with competing pressures on its structure, a 
significant shortfall in recruiting and a generational 
modernization effort.
    For the purpose of this Subcommittee, we are deeply 
interested in how the Army is determining the structure, ops 
concepts, and posture it requires to field these new 
capabilities and best meet the threat environment. 
Additionally, we must understand the impact of these decisions 
on the modernization of the Army National Guard and Army 
Reserves, and critical components of the total Army.
    The Army continues to make significant progress in these 
efforts, but difficult decisions lie ahead, and I have great 
confidence in all of you and look forward to a productive year 
here as we work to continue to field the world's best Army.
    On that, I now recognize our Ranking Member, Senator 
Cotton.

                STATEMENT OF SENATOR TOM COTTON

    Senator Cotton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let me begin by 
saying congratulations on your new role as chairman of the 
Armed Services Subcommittee on Air and Land Power. I look 
forward to working with you.
    I had a productive working relationship with your 
predecessor, Senator Duckworth. I know that we will have one as 
well, despite your suspect service in our Navy. I want to thank 
our witnesses for being here as well. The subcommittee meets to 
discuss the Army's modernization efforts with a focus on the 
fiscal year 2024 budget submission from President Biden.
    China is this Nation's chief threat, even as we face 
continued threats from adversaries like Russia, Iran, North 
Korea, and others. Ensuring that we can prevail in any conflict 
with China will require a joint effort, and the U.S. Army will 
play a key role in any such conflict.
    Beginning in 2014, China undertook a force reorganization 
and modernization plan that has resulted in key advantages, 
including strategically located forces, mass and magazine 
depth. If called upon to compete with this improved Chinese 
force, the United States Army will need to be modernized and 
ready to provide key capabilities such as command and control, 
logistics, and long-range precision fires.
    But I am still concerned that the plan for the Army of 
2030, and now General Rainey's plan for the Army of 2040, may 
be insufficient to produce the Army we need now and in the near 
term to counter China. For instance, Russia's unprovoked war of 
aggression against Ukraine has exposed severe weaknesses in the 
Army's industrial base, as in the other services.
    I want to commend Assistant Secretary Bush for his yeoman's 
work in executing drawdown authorities and contracting new 
equipment to support Ukraine. But the Army's World War II era 
plants and depots cannot fully support the Army's munitions and 
equipment needs, and the industrial base continues to be 
undermanned and under-resourced.
    Mr. Bush notes in the Army ammunition plant modernization 
plan that ``several projects could be moved to the left if 
additional resourcing becomes available.'' The Army's unfunded 
priority list and also includes funding for planning and 
design, as well as one project, the Radford Army Ammo Plant.
    I look forward to hearing about these and other organic 
industrial base projects ready for funding in fiscal year 2024. 
For the past several years, the Army has focused its 
modernization efforts on six critical areas, long range 
precision fires, next generation combat vehicles, future 
vertical lift network, air and missile defense, and soldier 
lethality.
    I am most encouraged by the progress made in long range 
precision fires, specifically the fiscal year 2024 budget 
support of the precision strike missile, mid-range capability, 
and long-range hypersonic weapon. All three will play direct 
roles in any future conflict in the Western Pacific. But as Mr. 
Bush noted in a recent interview, important trades had to be 
made in crafting this year's budget.
    I believe the Biden administration did the Army a 
disservice by forcing it to make these trades. When adjusted 
for inflation, President Biden's budget proposes to cut the 
Army's funding by 2 percent compared to last year's enacted 
levels. As a result, the Army submitted almost $2 billion worth 
gof unfunded priorities, including air defense, tanks, 
helicopters, military construction, and training.
    All of these priorities will help modernize the Army, and 
this Subcommittee will look to include many of them in this 
year's National Defense Authorization Act. Again, I thank the 
witnesses and look forward to their testimony.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Senator Cotton. Testifying today 
are Hon. Doug Bush, Assistant Secretary of the Army for 
Acquisition, Logistics and Technology and Army Acquisitions 
Executive, General Rainey, the Commanding General of the United 
States Army Futures Command, and Major General Michelle 
Schmidt, Director of Force Development, or G-8.
    I know the witnesses together submitted a single joint 
statement, but I want to start with Secretary Bush for an 
individual statement and then we will go in that order.

STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE DOUGLAS R. BUSH, ASSISTANT SECRETARY 
     OF THE ARMY FOR ACQUISITION, LOGISTICS AND TECHNOLOGY

    Mr. Bush. Sir, thank you. Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member 
Cotton, and distinguished Members of the Senate Armed Services 
Committee on Airland, good afternoon. Thank you for the 
invitation to appear before you to discuss the Army 
modernization program and the resources requested in the 
President's Budget for fiscal year 2024.
    I am pleased to be joined by my teammates, General James 
Rainey, Army Futures Command, and Major General Michelle 
Schmidt, the Army Deputy Chief of Staff, G-8. We appreciate 
your making our written statement a part of the record for 
today's hearing.
    With your support, the Army's fiscal year 2024 budget gives 
us the opportunity to maintain critical momentum across the 
board. The Army's budget request puts us on a sustainable path 
to equip today's soldiers with modern equipment while we invest 
in the technologies and systems necessary to build the Army of 
2030.
    It represents our sustained commitment to our key 
modernization portfolios that both the distinguished Chairman 
and Ranking Member outlined in their statements. It also 
continues modernization and procurement of our enduring 
platforms and equipment that will remain in the force for years 
to come.
    However, no budget proposal can be built without balancing 
risks, and this one is no different. I believe that this budget 
request reflects a thoughtful and balanced approach between 
developing future capabilities and modernizing our enduring 
systems. But at the end of the day, Members of Congress will 
decide if we struck the appropriate balance, and I welcome that 
dialog.
    In that spirit, I would like to address a few specific 
issues raised in the invitation for this hearing. First, the 
hearing invitation asked us to address how the Army's budget 
request supports requirements in the Indo-Pacific theater, 
including long range fires, area missile defense, and sensing 
capabilities.
    I can say with confidence that this year's budget request 
fully recognizes and funds the Army's role in the Pacific in 
these areas. As you look at the Future Years Defense Program 
(FYDP) overall, you will see significant new investments and 
procurement dollars for the network, long range fires, air 
missile defense, and deep sensing. All vital to the Army's 
mission in the Indo-Pacific region.
    Critically, to shift from doing just R&D [research and 
development] to actual procurement is a major step for the Army 
that gets us another step closer to fielding real capabilities 
to real soldiers, not just doing R&D. Second, the hearing 
invitation asked that we provide an update on the Army's 
efforts to expand critical munitions production, including 
opportunities to further expand production timelines--or reduce 
production timelines.
    As part of the Army's role in the overall United States 
Government response to Ukraine, we are using the generous 
funding from Congress and every authority at our disposal, 
including those new ones we received in the Fiscal Year 2023 
NDAA, while working closely with our industry partners to 
dramatically increase production rates across the board.
    We have here a generational opportunity working with 
Congress to improve the quality and modernization of our 
organic industrial base, as well as making capital investments 
with our private sector industry partners to put the United 
States Army in a better place in the long term.
    Through your support, production rates in key areas such as 
munitions replenishment are on the rise, and we are able to 
address obsolescence issues with the machinery in our precision 
munitions manufacturing as well, critical to deterring China.
    Third, the hearing invitation requests an update on the 
Army's efforts to adapt experimentation and testing to support 
concept development and accelerate our modernization efforts.
    As highlighted in our written statement, the Army is 
modernizing our business practices by embracing industry best 
practices. Such as the use of soldier-centered design and 
rigorous experimentation.
    General Rainey will elaborate further on the great work 
Army Futures Command (AFC) is doing in this regard, 
specifically in the areas of Project Convergence and the 
Experimental Demonstration Gateway Event, otherwise known as 
EDGE, and other efforts.
    Last, the hearing invitation asked how the army is managing 
risk in modernizing enduring capabilities while concurrently 
prioritizing future programs. As Members are aware, in order to 
protect the Army's highest priority modernization efforts, the 
Army did accept some risk in other areas, and specifically the 
pace of modernization of armored brigade combat teams.
    However, in doing so, the Army sought to ensure that we 
didn't go so low on any system that we put the industrial base 
at risk to a degree that forecloses the ability of the Army to 
ramp back up if the Army's priorities change. In short, we 
sought to ensure we did not close off options for Army leaders 
or Congress to adjust our plans in the future, if they judge 
that is the right thing to do.
    That is a careful balance to strike. I acknowledge we don't 
always get it exactly right. There are often differences of 
opinion with industry on the right balance between a production 
line being viable and fully productive, but I look forward to 
working with you and other Members on this issue of where you 
think the Army got it right and where you think we got it 
wrong.
    A final issue I would mention is the Army is fully 
utilizing the new acquisition authorities provided by Congress. 
Such as the urgent need pathway, middle tier acquisition 
pathway, and software acquisition pathway to make the Army's 
acquisition system work much more quickly than in the past.
    In closing, I want to say thank you for both the funding 
and authorities we need to support our modernization efforts. 
Thank you for your time today. I look forward to your 
questions.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Secretary Bush. General Rainey.

   STATEMENT OF GENERAL JAMES E. RAINEY, COMMANDING GENERAL, 
               UNITED STATES ARMY FUTURES COMMAND

    General Rainey. Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, 
distinguished Members of the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee 
on Airland, good afternoon. Thank you for the opportunity to 
testify about how the Army's fiscal year 2024 budget request 
supports the Army's comprehensive approach to modernization, as 
we both deliver the Army of 2030 and design the Army of 2040.
    Army Futures Command is accountable for transformation or 
transforming the Army, and modernization is obviously an 
essential part of that important mission. I am honored to be 
here with great teammates, the Honorable Mr. Bush and Major 
General Michelle Schmidt. I agree with Mr. Bush that Army 
modernization is on track.
    I think there are four primary reasons for that, that I 
would offer. The first is very strong teamwork. AFC works very 
closely with Assistant Secretary of the Army (ASA) Acquisition, 
Logistics and Technology (ALT). I respect Mr. Bush. We have a 
very positive and professional working relationship, and I 
think that transcends both of our organizations and is critical 
to our success.
    Putting new equipment and weapons into soldiers' hands to 
increase lethality is what both of us work hard on every day. 
Teamwork also includes integrating efforts across the whole 
army, so Training and Doctrine Command, Army Materiel Command, 
FORCECOM, our service component commanders.
    Working closely with General Flynn and General Williams, 
who are out on the edge in Europe and INDOPACOM are critical 
partners in them because we don't fight as an Army, we fight as 
a Joint Force.
    Our teamwork with the rest of the Joint Force has been very 
positive and is contributing to our success. The second thing 
is consistency. We have gone on 5 years now where the Army has 
stuck with the modernization priorities as previously 
discussed, and that consistency is translating into success.
    The third one is organizational changes. Five years ago, to 
get after those six priorities, the Army came up with the idea 
of cross-functional teams (CFT) that have been one of the 
absolute success stories of the adjustments, not just of AFC, 
of the way the Army has adjusted, and sustaining those where we 
are capitalizing on that success by adding, as we announced 
recently, a new contested logistics, CFT, to get after what is 
absolutely one of the things we have to address as we modernize 
the Army. Fourth is our commitment to continuous learning.
    As asked in the invitation, Project Convergence is the 
Army's campaign of persistent experimentation. So not a one-
time event, but a campaign of persistent experimentation. 
Project Convergence includes linked learning events throughout 
the year that inform each other.
    For example, Balikatan, an annual bilateral exercise is 
underway now in the Philippines. We have AFC teammates and 
analysts participating with General Flynn in that critical 
experiment. An Experimental Demonstration Gateway Event, also 
known as EDGE, is scheduled to take place next month, 1 through 
19 May in Yuma Proving Grounds, and I would be glad to talk 
more about that.
    All of these things work together to deliver the speed, 
range, and convergence our Army needs as part of the Joint 
Force to ensure overmatch against our adversaries. Material 
modernization is absolutely essential part of transforming our 
Army to ensure war winning future readiness.
    Transforming turns material modernization into true 
warfighting capability and lethality to make sure that we are 
the dominant land force in the world now, in 2030, in 2040, and 
every point in between. Transformation means thinking in terms 
of formations, not just platforms.
    We buy things, but we fight formations. It is absolutely 
essential that we modernize our equipment in a holistic way, 
but also address organizational changes, continue to develop 
our people and develop our leaders, create the training 
capacity for that equipment, make sure we have facilities that 
enable us to utilize that equipment.
    Transforming means thinking further out into the future 
also, out to 2040 and beyond. We are reaching out to the best 
experts we can find to think with us about the future of 
warfare as we define the future operational environment, 
develop future concepts, and experiment aggressively.
    We need to approach 2040 with a sense of urgency now, over 
the next 18 to 24 months. Transforming the Army to ensure we 
are winning future readiness and doing that persistently and 
urgently is the best guarantee that our successful material 
modernization efforts will produce lethal formations that can 
dominate the land domain.
    Thank you for your support to the soldiers and civilians of 
our organizations in the Army. I look forward to your 
questions.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General. Major General Schmitt.

STATEMENT OF MAJOR GENERAL MICHELLE A. SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR, FORCE 
              DEVELOPMENT, G-8, UNITED STATES ARMY

    Major General Schmidt. Good afternoon. Thank you, Chairman 
Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, and the distinguished Members of 
the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Airland for the 
opportunity to appear and testify regarding the Army's fiscal 
year 2024 modernization efforts.
    A special thank you to our Committee Members for your 
enduring support of our soldiers, civilians, and our families 
as they continue to play such a vital role in defense of our 
Nation.
    I am honored to be here today with Hon. Bush and General 
Rainey, who are both incredible professionals and leaders. Our 
modernization budget request for fiscal year 2024 reflects our 
multiyear effort to accelerate focused modernization and place 
transformational capabilities into the hands of our soldiers.
    Our single focus is to make our soldiers and units more 
lethal to fight and win our Nation's wars. These investments 
will assist with building enduring advantages over our Nation's 
adversaries, whether in the Indo-Pacific or European theaters, 
or wherever threats may arise, and the transformation you are 
assisting us with is being brought to bear.
    We must modernize responsibly, maintaining readiness now, 
while transforming at a pace informed by available resources. 
Several years of difficult prioritization, eliminating, 
reducing, and deferring lower priority and less necessary 
modernization efforts, as well as divesting legacy 
capabilities, affords little flexibility in our budget top 
line, so every decision we make now is a difficult one.
    These are hard choices, tough choices about the pace of 
modernization and the balance we must achieve in integrating 
new capabilities while maintaining our ability to deter and 
respond to crisis. As such, we ask for your continued support 
to maintain a sustainable modernization path for the Army.
    In closing, I would like to thank your staffs and all those 
who professionally facilitate the engagement necessary to 
advance our shared commitment to the defense of our Nation. 
Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.
    [The joint prepared statement of the Honorable Douglas R. 
Bush, General James E. Rainey, and Major General Michelle A. 
Schmidt follows:]

 Prepared Statement by The Honorable Douglas R. Bush, General James E. 
             Rainey, and Major General Michelle A. Schmidt
                              introduction
    Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, distinguished Members of the 
Subcommittee, thank you for your continued support to our soldiers, 
civilians, and families. On behalf of the Secretary of the Army, Hon. 
Christine Wormuth, and the Army Chief of Staff, General James C. 
McConville, we thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today 
to discuss the Army's modernization program.
    The Army's fiscal year 2024 budget reflects the Army's 
comprehensive approach to modernization, so the Army can adapt to the 
challenges of an unpredictable era marked by technological change and 
great power competition. The budget request sustains momentum in our 
modernization initiatives to build the Army of 2030, while 
simultaneously prioritizing our role in the Indo-Pacific, improving our 
Nation's industrial base, and continuing to support our allies. Most 
importantly, this request will provide our soldiers the materiel 
solutions needed to fight and win our Nation's wars as part of the 
Joint Force.
                        the security environment
    As highlighted in the 2022 National Defense Strategy and National 
Security Strategy, the security environment is marked by efforts of the 
People's Republic of China (PRC) and Russia to reshape the post-cold 
war world and by rapid and disruptive technological change. The PRC is 
our most consequential strategic competitor and the pacing challenge, 
while Russia remains an acute threat. Both states are applying all 
instruments of national power, including military modernization, as 
they seek to challenge America, our allies, and our partners.
    The PRC seeks decisive overmatch in emerging areas such as 
artificial intelligence (AI), robotics, and cyber. The convergence of 
technologies such as quantum computing, AI, and robotics promises to 
expand the fields of competition and the race to find comparative 
advantage.
    Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine demonstrates how the 
character of war continues to change. The pace of technological 
innovation and Ukraine's ability to leverage the skills of its citizen-
soldiers and integrate with its private sector are noteworthy, and we 
are studying their implications closely. What we are seeing in Ukraine 
validates our six modernization initiatives, particularly Long Range 
Precision Fires, Air and Missile Defense, Next Generation Combat 
Vehicle, and the Network.
                 modernizing and transforming our army
    Materiel modernization is an essential part of the Army's broader 
transformation effort. Transforming our Army to ensure war-winning 
future readiness requires integrating materiel modernization with non-
materiel efforts. These include Doctrine, Organization, Training, 
Leadership and Education, Personnel, Facilities, and Policy. 
Transforming our Army holistically, including modernizing it, puts the 
capability and lethality we need into our formations and ensures that 
our Army will continue tgo dominate the land domain.
                         modernizing the force
    The fiscal year 2024 budget request puts the Army on a sustainable 
path to equip today's soldiers with modern equipment while we invest in 
the technologies and systems necessary to build the Army of 2030. We 
have also ensured that our requested resources are synchronized with 
the Secretary of the Army's six operational imperatives around which we 
are building the Army of 2030:
      First, to sense deeper and more persistently than our 
enemies at all echelons.
      Second, to concentrate combat forces from dispersed 
locations to overwhelm our adversaries.
      Third, to deliver long range precision fires as part of 
the Joint Force.
      Fourth, to deliver air and missile defense at echelon to 
protect our forces.
      Fifth, to reliably communicate amongst ourselves and our 
joint and coalition partners and secure ourselves from enemy cyber and 
electronic attack.
      Last, to sustain the fight for whatever the duration.
    Front and center in this effort is our sustained commitment to our 
key modernization portfolios--Long Range Precision Fires, Next 
Generation Combat Vehicle, Future Vertical Lift, Network, Air and 
Missile Defense, and Soldier Lethality--and we are grateful to Congress 
for the stable funding provided to advance these initiatives.
      Long Range Fires Programs:
        The Army demonstrated the Precision Strike Missile's 
(PrSM) capability to achieve ranges well beyond the legacy Army 
Tactical Missile System and will begin production qualification testing 
in 4th quarter fiscal year 2023.
        We successfully tested the Land Based Anti-Ship Missile 
seeker and the Extended Range Propulsion ramjet, setting conditions for 
subsequent increments of the PrSM program.
        The Extended Range Cannon Artillery (ERCA) program 
continues improvements compared to conventional artillery technology to 
deliver long-range cannon fires capability to the soldier. However, 
technical challenges emerged during a test event in 1st quarter fiscal 
year 2023, resulting in delay of our planned procurements in fiscal 
year 2024. The ERCA program will continue to move through system 
development and testing, and will execute extensive Soldier Touch 
Points and learning events in fiscal year 2024.
        The Army's Rapid Capabilities and Critical Technologies 
Office, in partnership with the Navy, is on track to deliver the first 
hypersonics battery in fiscal year 2023.
        We also delivered the Army's Mid-Range Capability (MRC) 
initial hardware in 1st quarter fiscal year 2023 and are on track to 
deliver the first operational prototype in 4th quarter fiscal year 
2023. The MRC prototype effort leverages existing Service missiles, 
launchers, software, and hardware to fill a critical capability gap 
identified by the United States Indo-Pacific Command.
      Next Generation Combat Vehicle Programs:
        The Army remains fully committed to the Optionally 
Manned Fighting Vehicle program, executing a multi-phased acquisition 
approach to maximize competition. In 3rd quarter fiscal year 2023, the 
Army will award the competitive contract to up to three vendors for the 
Phase 3 (Detailed Design) and Phase 4 (Prototype and Test) portions of 
program.
        The Robotic Combat Vehicle (RCV) program continues to 
make progress, informed by extensive experimentation with the RCV-Light 
Full-System Prototype effort. By the end of fiscal year 2023, the Army 
intends to award multiple contracts for demonstrator vehicles.
        We are currently fielding Armored Multi-Purpose 
Vehicles to replace the 1960's-era M113 Family of Vehicles and 
completed First Unit Equipped in 2nd quarter fiscal year 2023.
        The Mobile Protected Firepower (MPF) program began low-
rate initial production this year, with first fielding of MPF planned 
for fiscal year 2025.
        We are also supporting the Army's Climate Strategy and 
the administration's greenhouse gas policies with the Bradley Hybrid 
Electric Vehicle, Electric Light Reconnaissance Vehicle, High Mobility 
Multi-Purpose Hybrid Wheeled Vehicle, and Joint Light Tactical Vehicle 
Hybrid Electric Vehicle projects.
      Future Vertical Lift Programs:
        The Army is committed to both the Future Attack 
Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) and the Future Long Range Assault 
Aircraft (FLRAA). They remain the highest aviation modernization 
priorities.
        FARA will provide the Army and Joint Force with 
transformational battlefield reach, lethality, and survivability 
critical to operating in the expanded battlespace envisioned in future 
conflict.
        FLRAA will provide effective assault and MEDEVAC 
capabilities, with significantly increased speed, range, and endurance.
        The Future Tactical Unmanned Aerial System is 
leveraging a competitive rapid prototyping approach, informed by a 
year-long Soldier Touch Point ``Buy, Try, Inform'' effort to replace 
the RQ-7 Shadow in the Brigade Combat Teams with a runway-independent, 
CH-47F-transportable, and weather-hardened system with a reduced 
acoustics signature.
        The Army continues development of Air Launched Effects, 
a low-cost aerial capability launched from crewed and uncrewed 
platforms to extend the tactical and operational reach, lethality, and 
protection of the host platform. This will include loitering munitions, 
additional sensors, and a vast array of small and large payloads of 
varying mission requirements.
      Network Programs:
        The Army has delivered Capability Set 21 modernized 
tactical network equipment to eight Brigade Combat Teams, six 
Expeditionary Signal Battalions-Enhanced, and two Multi-Domain Task 
Force units.
        The Army is now delivering Capability Set 23, which 
focuses on tactical edge communications for mounted formations and 
division headquarters, supporting the pivot from the Brigade Combat 
Team to the Division as the primary unit of action for large-scale 
combat operations.
        We have also fielded modernized network technology, 
such as upgraded mission command and fires applications, mobile mission 
command upgrades, resilient satellite communications equipment and 
modernized cryptographic systems, while piloting expanded Low Earth 
Orbit (LEO) commercial satellite service options.
        In fiscal year 2024 the Army will focus on designing 
Capability Set 25 to support the pivot from the Brigade Combat Team to 
the Division as the primary unit of action for large-scale combat 
operations.
        The Army is leveraging Project Convergence and 
regionally aligned operational exercises and experimentation to advance 
technologies such as data fabric, zero trust security architecture, and 
unified network management tools to provide commanders with data at the 
point of need.
        In total the Army anticipates fielding more than 300 
Army, Army Reserve and Army National Guard units with modernized 
network capability in 2024.
      Air and Missile Defense (AMD) Programs:
        The Army is fielding the Initial Operational Capability 
for the Integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System (IBCS) 
in 3rd quarter fiscal year 2023 and recently completed the Full Rate 
Production decision for this critical Air and Missile Defense system 
that will link Army and Joint sensors to shooters.
        The Army is improving the Maneuver-Short Range Air 
Defense capability, which was fielded to the first battalion, with the 
second battalion planned to be fielded in 4th quarter fiscal year 2023.
        The Army continues to make progress on its Directed 
Energy Maneuver-Short Range Air Defense effort, a 50 kilowatt-class 
laser on a Stryker, including successful live-fire events at Yuma 
Proving Grounds, Arizona.
        We are advancing directed energy efforts for Indirect 
Fire Protection Capability (IFPC) by pairing high-energy lasers (HEL) 
with high-power microwaves (HPM) for a layered defense of fixed and 
semi-fixed sites against an array of threats.
        Six Lower Tier Air and Missile Defense Sensor (LTAMDS) 
prototypes have been manufactured and are in developmental testing, 
with initial operating capability anticipated to be delivered in 1st 
quarter fiscal year 2024.
        We have accepted delivery of two batteries of Iron Dome 
Defense System-Army from the Israeli Government and are incorporating 
these systems into our exercises.
        The Army received the first IFPC Increment 2 launcher 
in 2nd quarter fiscal year 2023, with an additional 15 launchers 
planned for delivery by 4th quarter fiscal year 2023.
      Soldier Lethality Programs:
        Based on results from Integrated Visual Augmentation 
System (IVAS) fiscal year 2022 operational testing, the Army conducted 
a program re-plan to address areas of improvement. The Army and 
Microsoft have identified solutions to address these areas through 
refinements driven by soldier-centered design, and the Army is on pace 
to field IVAS 1.0 and 1.1 systems to selected training and doctrine 
units (IVAS 1.0) and operational units (IVAS 1.1) in fiscal year 2024. 
The Army intends to field IVAS 1.2, the full rate production goggle, to 
the Close Combat Force as early as 4th quarter fiscal year 2025.
        The Army has procured the majority of its Enhanced 
Night Vision Goggle Binocular (ENVG-B) procurement objective. 
Additional procurement funding in fiscal year 2023, along with 
programmed funding in fiscal year 2024, facilitates the purchase of an 
additional 10K ENVG-B systems and maintains ENVG-B production through 
4th quarter fiscal year 2025.
        Production of the Next Generation Squad Weapon (NGSW) 
Rifle, Automatic Rifle, Fire Control, and General Purpose Ammo began in 
fiscal year 2022, and First Unit Equipped is expected in 2nd quarter 
fiscal year 2024.
      Synthetic Training Environment (STE) Programs:
        STE Information System (STE-IS) and Reconfigurable 
Virtual Collective Trainers (RVCT) will deliver initial prototype 
capability in Fiscal Year 202023. One World Terrain, a key component of 
STE-IS, is in the hands of soldiers now providing operational 
battlefield visualization.
        We continue progress on the Squad Immersive Virtual 
Trainer which remains closely coupled with IVAS, with development 
focused on hardware productization, cybersecurity, and other 
enhancements.
        The Army's Live Training System (LTS) to conduct force-
on-force and force-on-target live training will deliver initial 
capability to the Joint Readiness Training Center in fiscal year 2024.
        The Soldier Virtual Trainer (SVT) conducted its first 
Soldier Touch Point in 1st quarter fiscal year 2023, with a second STP 
scheduled for 3rd quarter fiscal year 2023. The program is on track to 
deliver initial capability in 1st quarter fiscal year 2025.
      Assured Positioning Timing and Navigation (PNT) and Space 
Programs:
        The Army transitioned to M-Code Global Positioning 
System and alternative PNT beginning in fiscal year 2022, following the 
first fielding of Dismounted Assured PNT Generation I Quick Reaction 
Capability System, fulfilling the Directed Requirement.
        The Mounted Assured PNT System Generation II Program of 
Record, an M-Code GPS capable system, will initiate fielding in fiscal 
year 2024.
        The Army continues to invest in the ground segments of 
space-based technologies that close operational gaps in deep sensing 
and targeting activities. The Army prototyped and live-fire 
demonstrated the first-ever use of Low-Earth Orbit Satellite-based 
Alternative Navigation technology to guide a Precision Guided Munition 
in a totally GPS-denied environment and successfully engage a target at 
long range.
    The Army's budget request also continues procurement and 
modernization of our key systems for our operational aviation 
platforms, Ground Combat Systems, Intelligence programs, Logistics, 
Armaments and Ammunition. We carefully balanced the overall Research, 
Development and Acquisition portfolio, including fine-tuning between 
Research, Development, Test and Evaluation funding and Procurement 
funding, as we transition from enduring systems to our new modernized 
systems.
    Our Aviation portfolio strikes a balance between prudent 
investments to maintain the viability of current aircraft identified as 
part of the enduring fleet, while also investing in future aircraft and 
capabilities designed to provide reach, standoff, and overmatch against 
peer competitors in Multi Domain Operations. Beyond investments in 
Future Vertical Lift, we are making key investments in Apache and Black 
Hawk modernization, munitions, and aircraft survivability. 
Additionally, we are continuing to procure the MH-47G Block II Chinooks 
for our Special Operations units. The Army remains committed to Joint 
Air-to-Ground Missile production to replace the aging Hellfire missile 
and investing in Aircraft Survivability Equipment, a suite of systems 
that protect Army aircraft from threat infrared missiles, radar guided 
missiles, and lasers through detection and defeat systems.
    Armored Brigade Combat Team modernization and combat vehicle 
protection remain a priority, as well. With this budget, the Army will 
procure 34 Abrams M1A2SEPv3s Tanks, 85 Strykers, 24 Self-Propelled 
Howitzer Paladin Integrated Management (PIM) vehicle sets, and 26 Joint 
Assault Bridges.
    Our intelligence portfolio contains the resources required to 
provide intelligence and electronic warfare capabilities, support the 
Army's implementation of the National Defense Strategy, and enable 
``seeing and sensing farther.'' We continue to close capability gaps 
with the Tactical Intelligence Targeting Access Node, the Terrestrial 
Layer System, the Multi-Function Electronic Warfare-Air Large, Top 
Secret Communications, and investment in the Multi-Domain Sensing 
System-High Accuracy Detection and Exploitation System. The investments 
in the High Accuracy Detection and Exploitation System will modernize 
our Aerial Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance platforms by 
providing the range, speed, and sensing required to meet our pacing 
threat challenges.
    The Air and Missile Defense portfolio invests in integrated command 
and control, sensors, and shooters to provide 360-degree, tiered, 
layered defensive fires against a wide range of air and missile 
defense. It continues to invest in Counter-small Unmanned Aircraft 
Systems (C-sUAS), Lower Tier AMD Sensor prototypes, Patriot radar 
upgrades, and procurement of critical AMD munitions, such as the 
Patriot Missile Segment Enhanced. In fiscal year 2024, we will procure 
C-sUAS for one Division set and 15 fixed sites to cover globally 
prioritized critical sites. We will also work with Congress on options 
to consider additional multi-year procurement contracts for critical 
munitions, including the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System rockets 
and Patriot PAC-3 missiles.
    Our Command and Control portfolio is procuring Manpack and Leader 
Radios and related equipment to support Division type formations; a Low 
Cost Tactical Radio that will replace legacy Single Channel Ground and 
Airborne Radio System and meet National Security Agency cryptographic 
modernization requirements; and a Unified Network Operations prototype 
to enable common planning, configuration, monitoring, provisioning, 
management, and defense of the Network. It will also continue to 
procure and develop improvements for the Joint Battle Command-Platform.
    Finally, the Logistics portfolio continues the procurement of Joint 
Light Tactical Vehicles, High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles 
(HMMWVs) and HMMWV antilock braking system/electronic stability control 
kits to improve our existing tactical wheeled vehicle fleet; invests in 
Army Watercraft, a significant combat multiplier in support of Army 
operational concepts and the Geographical Combatant Commander in large 
scale combat operations; invests in contested logistics capabilities to 
reduce demand and provide point of need production and sustainment; and 
realigns funding to support critical ammunition program lines and Army 
Training Strategies to ensure contractual requirements are met to 
maintain Industrial Base Minimum Sustainment Rate capacities.
                   modernizing our business practices
    The Army has embraced industry best practices, such as the use of 
soldier-centered design and rigorous experimentation, to enable 
feedback from soldiers and commanders earlier in the development 
process. This is accomplished in phases--first by getting prototype 
equipment into the hands of soldiers from the operational force early, 
through Soldier Touch Points, to refine requirements before more 
investments are made. In subsequent phases of experimenting with 
prototypes in increasingly complex scenarios, we assess how we would 
organize and fight using this technology. This provides the Army not 
only valuable feedback on the technology itself, but we learn how we 
need to train and integrate across all facets, from Doctrine, 
Organization, Training, Materiel, Leadership and Education, Personnel, 
Facilities, to Policy.
    The Army continues Project Convergence, a Joint and multi-national 
experimentation campaign of learning that culminates in a major field 
experiment. Working closely with our counterparts from the other 
services, we identify Joint warfighting problems to solve. 
Experimentation objectives, operational scenarios, and data collection 
plans are managed by the Project Convergence Board of Directors, which 
includes representatives from all the Services, the Joint Staff, and 
coalition partners.
    Project Convergence seeks to enable and collect insights from 
exercises and experiments and apply them in future events. Project 
Convergence 21 (PC21) and Project Convergence Capstone 3 (PC22) 
incorporated Joint Partners to help inform the Army of 2030, the DoD 
Joint All-Domain Command and Control initiative, and the Joint 
Warfighting Concept. Project Convergence made it clear that we must 
adapt to a system-of-systems approach that moves from ``interoperable 
systems'' to ``integration of systems.'' Project Convergence has also 
made it clear that we need to integrate our offensive and defensive 
fires using a combined arms maneuver approach and develop data-centric 
capabilities as part of the Joint Force. Lessons from PC22 will inform 
persistent experimentation over the next year including the Joint 
Warfighting Assessment (JWA), events such as the annual Balikatan 
exercise with the Republic of the Philippines, and Capabilities 
Development and Integration Directorate (CDID) events. Lessons from 
those events will inform Capstone 4, currently scheduled for February 
and March 2024.
    The Army continues to implement and employ the reform initiatives 
granted by Congress that were designed to streamline and gain 
efficiencies in the acquisition process. For example, the Army is 
judiciously using Middle Tier Acquisition (MTA) rapid prototyping 
authority to experiment with innovative, mature technologies to quickly 
demonstrate new capabilities. The Army is using MTA rapid fielding 
authority to quickly field production quantities of new or upgraded 
systems with minimal development, potentially resulting in faster 
capability delivery and lower costs. In all, the MTA pathway enables a 
``try before we buy'' framework that reduces risk, reduces cost, and 
accelerates capability development and deployment. The Army currently 
has 30 programs executing MTA rapid prototyping or rapid fielding 
efforts and is using these authorities to accelerate select Army 
modernization priorities including LTAMDS, PrSM, NGSW, MPF and IFPC.
    The Army also benefits from expanded use of Other Transaction 
Authority (OTA), which can include follow-on production awards. OTAs 
are simplified contractual mechanisms that lend themselves to working 
with small companies and non-traditional contractors, two known sources 
of technological innovation. The Army effectively uses OTAs to 
streamline the acquisition of basic and advanced research activities, 
prototype projects, and follow-on production efforts. In fiscal year 
2022, the Army awarded more than 1,703 OTA agreements valued at $6.3 
billion. In November 2021, the Army updated its OTA Policy and we 
continue to review our procedures to promote consistency in practice 
and increase transparency.
    The Army also benefits from two additional authorities provided by 
Congress. The Software Acquisition Pathway (SWP) is a new acquisition 
pathway used to facilitate rapid and iterative delivery of custom 
software capabilities to users, recognizing that technology development 
cycles are more rapid in software systems. Programs using the SWP will 
demonstrate the viability and effectiveness of the capability within 1 
year. The Army currently has nine programs operating on the SWP. 
Congress also made permanent the authority for Commercial Solutions 
Opening (CSO). Since its establishment as a pilot program, the Army has 
leveraged the CSO authority to obtain innovative commercial products 
and solutions to fulfill requirements, close capability gaps, and 
provide technological advances. The streamlined nature of the CSO 
procedures also serves to lower barriers to entry and incentivize small 
and non-traditional vendors who have not previously worked with the 
Department. The Army used CSO authority extensively as part of its 
pandemic response efforts.
    In addition, in the fiscal year 2016 National Defense Authorization 
Act, Congress encouraged delegation of Milestone Decision Authority 
(MDA) for most acquisition programs from the Office of the Secretary of 
Defense to the Military Departments. The Army further delegated MDA for 
some of these programs to the Program Executive Officer level, when 
appropriate. This delegation allows the Army to appropriately align 
program oversight with risk, resulting in reduced bureaucracy and 
increased efficiency.
    All these initiatives, when used alone or in combination, allow for 
better and faster modernization decisions and faster requirements 
development.
                               conclusion
    The Army is modernizing rapidly, building a force capable of 
competing across the spectrum of competition and conflict to deter war 
and, failing that, prevail in war. These capabilities give the Army the 
speed, range, and convergence of actions that provide decision 
dominance which gives us overmatch over our adversaries. Thanks to 
stable funding, new authorities, and a rigorous experimentation regime, 
we are further down the modernization path than envisioned a year ago. 
Modernization is a central element of long-term Army transformation, 
which translates materiel modernization into capability and lethality 
for our soldiers. The nature of our adversaries' actions and intent, 
amid rapid and disruptive technological change, demands that the Army 
continue to modernize and transform, and, with your support, we are 
committed to doing that.
    Thank you again for this opportunity to discuss Army Modernization 
and for your strong support of our soldiers, civilians, and their 
families.

    Senator Kelly. Thank you, and I will start by recognizing 
myself here for 5 minutes. Let me start with General Rainey.
    You mentioned cross-functional teams in your opening 
statement, and I understand that the maturity of efforts in the 
original Army's Futures Command cross-functional teams, you 
know, your focus, as you mentioned, is shifting to the Army of 
2040 and you are considering adding, and you mentioned, new 
cross-functional teams to tackle additional challenges like 
contested logistics.
    Can you please describe in more detail to the Committee how 
you are shifting AFC's focus, and what requirements you may be 
considering for our cross-functional team on this specific 
issue of contested logistics.
    General Rainey. Thank you very much, Chairman. I appreciate 
that question. If I may, when I talk about 2030 and 2040, so I 
don't want to create the impression that I am shifting away 
from 2030 to 2040. To be clear, Army modernization is going 
well.
    We need to stay laser-focused on delivering on the 
modernization efforts we have going and start thinking about 
the opportunities to out think and get ahead of our adversaries 
as we start to think about what is going to change in this like 
second and third depths of that time period, but not at the 
expense of staying focused on delivering on our current 
efforts.
    The contested logistics CFT, working in partnership with 
Army Materiel Command, who does the strategic and operational 
level. The CFT initial operating capability, our Chief and 
Secretary improved the stand up, so they have already started 
with the small team. They will be fully operational, I would 
say, by about October 1 of this year, and they are going to 
focus at the tactical level of contested logistics.
    To specifically answer your question, predictive logistics, 
the technology absolutely exists today for us to do a better 
job of understanding what the logistics requirements, because 
one of the keyways to reduce our logistics burden is to be more 
precise. So, we can't afford to push stuff just to push it.
    We need to know what the maintenance status, fuel status, 
and ammo status of our combat systems are. Autonomous and 
robotic distribution, so how can we leverage technology to 
minimize the amount of humans we are putting at risk to deliver 
logistics and sustainment. Demand reduction, hybrid electric, 
for example, that can start by lowering the amount of fuel we 
require forward. Tactical power generation.
    As we become more and more technology focused and for all 
the great things that brings you, it also creates an increased 
demand in terms of battery, which especially at the most 
important level of the Army, the rifle squads, the soldiers who 
are walking and carrying everything they have, every pound 
matters, so I think there are opportunities there----
    Senator Kelly. General, does that mean the ability to 
generate power forward or carry more dense batteries?
    General Rainey. Chairman, I think that the opportunity of 
the CFT, the way it has been successful, is to clearly identify 
a problem, put together the right talent from across the 
organizations, and let them develop those things.
    I wouldn't want to rule out any possibilities, but to 
reduce the amount of energy consumed forward and reduce the 
weight on the soldier would be two of the things that they 
would start out pursuing.
    Senator Kelly. Are you looking at any artificial 
intelligence decisionmaking in the logistics decisions?
    General Rainey. There are opportunities. We are employing 
AI and machine learning now to manage the massive amounts of 
data and analyze it. So predictive logistics has an 
opportunity--well, now it is an opportunity to use AI to 
analyze the amount of data. The opportunity to get into aided 
decisionmaking in terms of predictive logistics, I have not 
seen that yet, but I would not rule that out.
    Senator Kelly. I had dinner with the V Corps Commander last 
Thursday night in Poland. This is an area where we do really 
well, logistics. He was stressing just how critical it is for 
any large-scale Army operation is we have got to get the 
logistics right.
    I have got more questions about this for Secretary Bush, 
when it comes back to me. For now, let me recognize Senator 
Cotton.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you. Mr. Bush, I want to return to 
what I said in my opening statement and commend you for your 
work to try to accelerate timelines for production of 
munitions.
    I know you and a lot of others have really been rolling up 
your sleeves and working long hours, but I think you would 
agree that we are still not producing enough of what we need 
fast enough. That is both in our Army ammunition plants and the 
industrial base. I have dug into the tables behind the budget 
request.
    It is a shocking timeline, really, in some of these cases. 
Basic munitions, not ones that are complicated or advanced, 
like artillery shells can take up to 2 to 3 years to produce. 
Can you give us a general sense of why that is? I mean, we 
built the Pentagon in less time than it takes to make basic 
artillery shells today. So, what is up with that?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, the actual time, I believe--the timeline 
is reflected in the formal budget documents are, I guess I 
would say those are the traditional timelines that assume a 
lengthy contracting process, followed by a staggered, sometimes 
slow on purpose to maintain a level workload at the factory, 
approach.
    For conventional munitions, I can tell you that artillery 
shells, for example, it takes about a month to get the steel 
once it--now there is always a flow of steel, but about a month 
to get the steel. That steel is only at Scranton Army 
Ammunition Plant for about 3 days. Then it goes to Iowa Army 
Ammunition Plant for load, assemble, pack, which also only 
takes about a week. So, when we are going as fast as we can, 
like we are right now, those timelines can be faster. However, 
sir, right now, as you mentioned, the issue is capacity, not 
timeline. On precision munitions, your point is very well taken 
and still very much the case.
    So advanced munitions, patriots, sometimes even GMLRS 
[Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System], things with seekers or 
advanced electronics, we are still, sir, in those, at times, 1- 
or 2-year timelines, but trying to go faster right now.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you for that, and I probably want to 
continue that distinction. Another distinction I want to drill 
down on is what you said about contracting processes or 
timelines.
    I view those as bureaucratic constraints. Those are Gordian 
knots. I think in my opinion, Gordian knots exist to be cut, in 
many cases a sword, or at least this Congress can be the sword. 
Then there is actual real-world constraints on the availability 
of certain inputs, whether it is steel, energetics, ships, what 
have you.
    Let's focus on that area first. What are the single worst 
bottlenecks we face in the real-world constraints about these 
munitions? Because again, we are not talking about an aircraft 
carrier or stealth fighter.
    We are talking about in what are most cases man portable 
munitions. But what are the concrete real-world bottlenecks 
that the Army is facing right now?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. So, I think if we are talking about 
precision munitions, often it is the sensitive electronic 
components. Computer chips and everything behind that leads to 
some of those timelines.
    If you trace back to the original sources, that is where 
some of that comes from. Also, of course, our systems, you have 
sophisticated systems to make them safer than what the Russians 
might produce or exportable. That also adds time.
    But most often it is the electronic components that take 
the most time, probably followed by solid rocket motors for a 
lot of our munitions that are rockets or missiles. The other 
elements are the explosives and such, sir, really are the 
shorter holes in the tent.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. What are the best ways this committee 
and this Congress can provide the Army with ways to reduce 
those timelines, to open up those bottlenecks?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. First of all, the most economically 
efficient way to make a production line better is to buy more.
    That way you let the market do its thing and downstream 
suppliers get better and it helps the whole system, so that is 
number one, and thank you for your support on all that. No. 2, 
and thank you for the support last year, is multi-year 
techniques like multiyear procurement and advanced procurement.
    I think when we testified last year, we were exploring the 
ideas of doing those things for munitions. They hadn't been 
done before. We are doing them now, and making that normal, not 
an exception, will be vital, sir.
    We have to get that right. One other leg in a store would 
be over time working on continued, for example, Defense 
Production Act investments. So that is the tool the Department 
has to go way down in the supply chain and directly invest in 
companies, often small ones, at the third and fourth tier. 
Congress provided very generous additional DPA, title 3 funding 
last year.
    I think we are putting it to great work. I think we did it 
in the cold war on a much larger scale, and I think that is a 
model for how with the right authorities and the right money in 
the right place, we can be better prepared next time, sir.
    Senator Cotton. To be clear on that, you are not talking 
about up here at the primes or assembling things, but at the 
subcontractor or maybe even the sub-subcontractor doing fairly 
kind of basic inputs, let's call them valves or gaskets or what 
have you, reaching down to that level with DPA authorities.
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir, and it is a big difference with DPA. So 
really our normal input is at the top with the prime and you 
hope that funding flows down and goodness of the production 
line gets down to those suppliers.
    DPA lets us go directly at some of those subs, which are 
often actually the most weak points. It is not the bigs, it is 
the sub-tier contractors.
    Senator Cotton. Yes, and oftentimes those subcontractors, 
one or two levels down, are providing those inputs for multiple 
primes or multiple different weapon systems, so there is a 
bottleneck there as well, right?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. In many cases, when--and we have got 
this now. I think we have got a much better handle on mapping 
our own supply chains--from the Government side. We see those 
overlaps, and industry might not see it because they are 
looking at their supply chain, not the national supply chains.
    Senator Cotton. One final question about inputs drawing 
from a partner. Are you aware of Nammo's challenges and 
expanding in central Norway?
    Mr. Bush. Not specifically, sir.
    Senator Cotton. Their CEO [Chief Executive Officer] said a 
couple of weeks ago that they would like to expand. Obviously, 
they are producing a lot of munitions that are in very high 
demand in Ukraine, but there is no electricity available in 
central Norway because all of the excess capacity is going to 
power servers for TikTok videos.
    He said that they literally can't make more munition shells 
because of cat videos. Are you aware of any constraints on 
either our Army ammunition plants or in the defense industrial 
base because of electricity or other power inputs?
    Mr. Bush. I am not, sir. I believe we have other 
challenges. Some of I have mentioned and others, but I have 
definitely not heard that one--not in the United States.
    Senator Cotton. The Nammo CEO said he wouldn't have even 
put it past TikTok and the Chinese to specifically have sited 
their cat videos next to Nammo's production facility in central 
Norway. All right, I have more specific questions I will save 
for a second round.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Peters.
    Senator Peters. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. General Rainey, on 
several occasions this Committee has expressed concerns about 
how the Department of Defense is tasked and organized to 
support electronic warfare operations in support of the Joint 
Force or our newly established multi-domain task forces.
    Although both cyber and electronic warfare personnel are 
attached to the Army's cyber branch, electronic warfare lacks a 
designated entity for cross-cutting electronic warfare attack, 
for sensing and protection across all Army formations and 
echelon.
    My question for you, sir, is can you outline what entity 
will own the manning, training, equipping, budgeting, and 
capability deployment for electronic warfare operations in the 
Army?
    General Rainey. Thank you, Senator. Yes, I can. Major 
General Paul Stanton is the Commander of the Cyber Center of 
Excellence and is responsible for the force generation of 
electronic warfare forces.
    General Barrett is the Army Cyber Command, who is the 
operational commander, who is the senior cyber and electronic 
warfare officer we have. If I may, because I share your 
interest. One, it is something we have been working on as part 
of the Army 2030. The importance of electronic warfare is 
blindingly obvious if you are an observer of what is going on 
in Ukraine right now.
    It is going to become more and more important as we go 
forward. The Army modernization efforts address that, so, we 
are adding new capabilities at every echelon. Technology wise, 
the TLS, brigade combat team capability is an acknowledgment 
that we need to put the ability to sense and strike into our 
most forward formations and work in that at a higher echelon.
    Also, organizationally, the Army is adding intelligence and 
electronic warfare battalions back into our divisions, or at 
least our Army 2030 priority modernization efforts. Those are a 
couple examples.
    Theater information advantage groups, the multi-domain task 
force have a dedicated electronic warfare capability both in 
humans and technology built into them, so absolutely critical. 
Something we need to keep working on. But I believe it is a 
matter of delivering and following through on our plans.
    Senator Peters. All right. Absolutely. Well, thank you. 
Thank you for that deeper dive. General Schmidt, outside of 
Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC) and National Training 
Center (NTC), do you believe the Army would benefit from having 
training locations with standing approvals from the necessary 
DOD and non-DOD bodies to conduct electronic warfare operations 
during large scale combat operation training exercises?
    Major General Schmidt. Senator, thank you. I think our Army 
is the best army in the world because we are committed to 
training as we fight. And so, we try to replicate an 
operational environment, a realistic operational environment 
wherever we can.
    That said, I know there are some challenges in conducting 
electronic warfare operations in areas outside of the few 
designated areas, and I welcome your support in overcoming some 
of those challenges. If I may, you know, General Rainey, sir, 
would you have more to offer on that one?
    General Rainey. Well, thank you, Michelle. We absolutely 
need to continue to add the capability to train with multi-
domain capabilities that keeps up with both the pace of war and 
the capabilities that we are adding.
    It would be tragic if all our material modernization, 
Senator, resulted in real equipment showing up in formations 
that we couldn't then train with. There are some clear 
challenges. I would love the opportunity to followup and brief 
you in great detail on this, but some examples.
    If you think about what the National Training Center did, 
standing that up and how that translated into the Army of 
Desert Storm timeframe, that same opportunity is presenting us. 
We are adding electronic warfare and multi-domain training 
capabilities to both Polk and Fort Irwin.
    But there is other great opportunities--Fox training range 
at Fort Huachuca is uniquely postured to get in there and do 
things with authorities, populations, and we are probably going 
to need help from the entire Government because the Federal 
Communication Commission (FCC), FCA, there some authorities and 
challenges that will have to work their way up through the 
Joint Staff to OSD (Office of Secretary of Defense) obviously, 
but I think we should be pursuing expanded capabilities very 
aggressively.
    Senator Peters. Well, I appreciate that from both of you. 
We have some ideas about how to do that in some locations, so 
if we could followup with you offline and talk about that, 
because I agree this is absolutely essential.
    There are a limited number of places where you can do it, 
and there are some places where we--I think in my home State, 
where we can expand some of this, we would love to have that 
conversation with you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Ernst.
    Senator Ernst. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, 
Mr. Bush and General, General. Thank you for being here. So, we 
have witnessed the last year of the war in Ukraine, and it has 
just made it extremely clear that we need a responsive 
munitions industrial base.
    Mr. Bush, we have talked this a number of times, and I do 
commend the Army's investment in the Iowa Army Ammunition Plant 
and other munitions enterprises. So, thank you very much for 
that. We know that this is a critical down payment for the 
future needs of our Army.
    There is still an acute vulnerability, though, that exists 
out there in the munitions industrial base, and something that 
the Ranking Member addressed just a bit ago, and that is our 
energetics. These are the chemicals that are critical for our 
explosives and propellants, and yet our supply chain for 
energetics is decades old.
    We have limited suppliers for energetics, and they have 
created some very vulnerable points in our industrial base. We 
all know that if we can't sustain this for our future fight, we 
are going to lose--we are going to lose.
    General Rainey, would you agree that advanced energetics 
like CL-20 can provide improved munition range, lethality, and 
size? Will this help U.S. forces end long range salvo exchanges 
against our peer militaries? Or Mr. Bush. Whoever would like to 
take that.
    General Rainey. Well, Senator, yes, if I could, please. So, 
the CL-20 issue, I am aware of some recent thoughtful articles 
and some studies that have highlighted that potential of using 
that different formulation to get improved range, for example, 
out of the same size rockets and missiles.
    When I asked my experts at Picatinny, they are doing 
research on that. I think the questions come down to safety 
standards and handling. We have very high standards for that, 
probably the highest in the world.
    But I think my first contact with them on that issue, they 
said that where in the past it was kind of ruled out that there 
might be additional potential. So, ma'am, that could be an area 
of some additional R&D focus, could certainly potentially pay 
dividends from that or something else like that.
    Senator Ernst. Okay. No, that is important, that we don't 
completely rule it out, but we continue to research that. I 
appreciate that, and then Mr. Bush as well, what is the State 
of energetics supply chain? Where are those risk? Where are the 
vulnerabilities, and how can we shore that up?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, Senator. I have seen that our first pass is 
the supply chains. What you often see is kind of what the most 
economical version of that supply chain is, so you often go to 
lowest price suppliers, which are often in countries, some of 
which we really don't want to be dependent on. I think we are 
taking a more fulsome look at that.
    I think we are seeing that we need not just suppliers in 
the right countries, so friend-shoring, or if it is not in the 
United States, which is ideal, but if it is in like perhaps a 
neighboring country or a strong ally, and we need more than one 
for everything.
    Critically, we have to spend the money in advance to 
qualify those sources so that when we need to ramp up, and this 
is advanced planning for a surge, you already have a qualified 
vendor. Meaning all the safety and other standards have been 
addressed to make sure that we get what we pay for. We are 
doing that now.
    But one of my lessons learned from this--in munitions 
expansion is that that kind of work needs to be done in advance 
and coordinated with allies. We have a lot of the capability 
that we can also draw on, and so it is not just us doing it, 
but using the whole Western world to do this together.
    Senator Ernst. Absolutely, and as we look toward the fight 
in Ukraine, obviously, what we do at the Iowa Army Ammunition 
Plant is very important. If we look at other fights that may 
occur around the globe, it may take different types of 
munitions.
    As we are in the planning with that, we want to know how we 
can be very helpful there because we need to be able to sustain 
peacetime, but then also be able to surge for any future fight 
we might have.
    So, thank you. Mr. Bush, would you agree that enterprise 
level coordination would reduce risk in the energetics 
industrial base?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, I want to say, yes. Enterprise between--
--
    Senator Ernst. Different industries, yes----
    Mr. Bush. Well, I think definitely a Department of Defense 
(DOD) approach would be more efficient than the services doing 
it themselves because we wouldn't want to step on each other. 
For example, we often go back, you know, the Navy is buying 
missiles, we are buying missiles, we don't want to step on each 
other's toes.
    Certainly there are avenues for cooperation through, for 
example, industry consortiums where you are able to get in the 
room and really share information with the Government and among 
the suppliers. That could pay benefits, yes, ma'am.
    Senator Ernst. Yes. Appreciate that very much, and thanks 
for the great work. I really do appreciate it. I know with 
Ukraine and all the discussions that we have had, both in open 
and closed sessions, has been extremely helpful to identifying 
where some of our vulnerabilities are and where they exist. So, 
thanks. Really appreciate your input. Appreciate it. Thank you.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Senator Ernst. I will now take 
another 5 minutes here. So back to the contested logistics, 
Secretary Bush.
    The Secretary of the Army describes the Army's role in the
Pacific, in part to sustain the Joint Force over vast distances 
by providing secure communications, establishing an inter-
theater distribution network or networks, maintaining munitions 
stockpiles in theater, as well as forward arming and refueling 
points in the Western Pacific.
    This all gets to the importance of contested logistics. I 
saw not the contested part, but I saw the great job in Chechlo, 
Poland that the Army is doing in getting the equipment needed 
for the fight in Ukraine to the border essentially.
    Uncontested and contested, but contested is much more 
challenging--orders of magnitude more challenging situation. So 
how does the fiscal year 2024 budget invest in this Army 
contested logistic capabilities? Secretary Bush.
    Mr. Bush. Yes, Senator. So, I think we did start in 2024 
for moving the dial on logistics investments. So, a couple of 
areas I would mention, there is more funding than I think if 
you compared to 2023 for maintaining our watercraft fleet, at 
least keeping it viable, but also starting in 2024 production 
of one of our first new vessels, the maneuver support vessel 
light in many, many years that will replace some very old 
platforms. So that is one.
    We also put more funding back into things like just trucks 
and wheeled vehicles. The Army has that title 10 role, as you 
mentioned. That logistics force is vast and requires up to date 
equipment, so we put more funding back there. Also ammunition 
stocks, conventional ammunition stockpiles, was a third area of 
investment.
    Sir I think how that works though in a specific context is 
where you get into the transport legs, the communications 
networks, General Rainey mentioned having predictive logistics 
and more accurate logistics, and also just needing less, so 
demand reduction, be it ammunition or fuel.
    The more efficient platforms we have, that is part of 
solving a contested logistics problem.
    Senator Kelly. Mr. Secretary, even though it is obviously a 
different Army, different operations, different tactics, I 
mean, the needing less is not a scenario that has played out 
well in Ukraine.
    Are there any lessons that were taken from operations in 
Europe right now? How does that affect our thought here on 
getting to the point where we could potentially need less ammo?
    Because right now we are seeing in the first major land 
conflict in Europe that it is exactly the opposite.
    Mr. Bush. Senator, if I could start and ask General Rainey 
to provide his thoughts, if that is okay. First off, I think, 
you know, the U.S. Army, when we fight, we tend to fight with a 
lot of precision.
    We also have our Joint Force providing a lot of fires from 
the air, again, with precision. Ukraine doesn't have that. For 
the large part, they are fighting differently than we would. 
Does not mean it is not a concern.
    Sir, by needing less, I think I was speaking simply at the 
individual platform level, which would make us more efficient 
with the same logistics flow. You can sustain more forces if 
they were more efficient.
    I didn't mean to suggest that--overall, wars tend to 
always, as you note, require vastly more resources than we 
think. Beyond that, if I could have General Rainey talk a 
little bit more about that.
    General Rainey. Thank you, Mr. Bush, and thank you, 
Senator. What we are observing is obviously horrific, what is 
going on in Ukraine right now. But from a military standpoint, 
we are observing attrition warfare.
    Two armies frontally assaulting and using attrition as 
opposed to maneuver warfare, which is the strength of the 
United States Joint Force. You know, our really asymmetric 
superpower is our people.
    A close second to that is the fact that we practice 
maneuver warfare, joint warfare that is underpinned by really 
disciplined and tough training. Which is why things like being 
able to train on these capabilities, like General Schmidt said, 
is just as important as having the capabilities.
    In terms of contested logistics, the two biggest 
opportunities for our Army as we modernize is to increase the 
lethality and survivability of our light formations. We have 
very deployable formations. They just have a problem with 
things like protection from counter Unmanned Aircraft System 
(UAS) and the lethality.
    We have tanks to kill tanks, but the technology absolutely 
exists, as we have seen, to kill tanks with Javelin missiles, 
for example. So, increase the lethality and survivability of 
our light formations and do things to drive down the weight and 
the logistics tail of our heavy formations.
    Pursuing those, and those are--that can give you several 
examples of how our modernization efforts do that, if you are 
interested. Silent drive and silent watch, for example, is the 
hybrid technology that lets our tanks not become dependent on 
electricity, but it makes a better tank because it can be 
silent, and both when it is standing still and limited 
approach.
    Those kind of requirements as we modernize our vehicles is 
an opportunity to reduce our long tail and improve the 
lethality of our formations.
    Senator Kelly. Well, thank you. Senator Cotton.
    Senator Cotton. Mr. Bush, I want to return to one more 
question about our opening conversation of the munitions issue 
at a high level. You stressed demand and how high demand can 
help keep lines going, you know, keep people employed in their 
high skilled, specialized functions. I assume that means demand 
not just from our military, but also allied and partner 
military as well, right?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. Ideally, we don't have to provide all 
that demand. It is very encouraging in that light that many 
countries in Europe in particular are now committing to 
spending more and buying some of our equipment. That is 
enormously helpful to keeping healthy production lines.
    Senator Cotton. So, it is good--it is not just good from a 
military standpoint that we have friends in Europe and the 
Middle East and the Western Pacific that are wanting to buy 
more ammunition, but it is also good for our workers and our 
companies here in the United States.
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. Absolutely.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you. Now, I want to get a little more 
specific. The budget request includes investments to support 
prototyping for the long-range hypersonic missile, flight test 
for the midrange capability missile, and initial fielding of 
the precision strike missile or PrSM.
    As PrSM is one of the key long range fire capabilities 
necessary and will be vital in a Pacific conflict, I just want 
to dig a little bit deeper on this. The Army is requesting $273 
million to work on future increments of PrSM, and $384 million 
or 110, Increment 1, missiles, but I suspect that is likely 
inadequate for the need.
    What are the plans to expand production capacity of the 
PrSM Increment 1 beyond 110 missiles per year?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, I think that initial number reflects 
mostly the fact that it is a new missile. We are just ramping 
into production and transitioning away from Army Tactical 
Advanced Conventional Munitions System (ATACMS) production to 
PrSM. I think to the degree we can, I know there was great 
support inside the Department for this capability.
    I think there is an opportunity there for expanded 
production, assuming current initial testing goes well. On the 
R&D, for Increment 2 and Increment 4, improve future versions, 
production for those are still a few years out, but if we set 
conditions right with a healthy production line for Increment 
1, that will put us in a better place.
    Senator Cotton. Can you say a little more about your plan 
for both Increment 2, and especially Increment 4?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. So, Increment 2, we hope to be able to 
give us an anti-ship capability that would provide anti-ship 
capability out of a High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems 
(HIMARS) launcher at significant range. Increment 4, we hope, 
could more than double the range of Increment 1. That will 
require a new propulsion system, but the science, technology is 
underway on that.
    Again, all launch out of HIMARS, which has proven highly 
successful in Ukraine. Very difficult to locate, easy to move 
around. This would be a dramatic increase in the Army's ability 
to create problems for a potential fight with China, for 
example, because we could station those everywhere.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. What is the prospect for a multi-year 
procurement for PrSM, as you have done for PAC-3 and GMLRS?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, as soon as we have that production line 
up and running, and the cost is well understood on Increment 1, 
I think it could be a very good candidate for a multi-year 
approach.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. I also understand from your testimony 
and statement that the operational evaluation of the extended 
range cannon has revealed some engineering problems. Would you 
please say a little bit more about those challenges and about 
the Army's progress on the cannon?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. So, the Extended Range Cannon Program, 
I think we have been on a very aggressive timeline. We have 
built seven or eight prototypes, and we took them immediately 
into full testing. That testing has revealed challenges. I 
would say there are more engineering and mechanical challenges, 
but still, there they are.
    While disappointing, I think it is good that we found them 
now before we went into a full production for this system, for 
example. We are still doing testing.
    I believe we will know more over the summer about the 
degree of the challenge and the extent to which we need to 
adjust our budget request this year and in future years and 
look at the portfolio overall and see where that capability 
fits in terms of just overall improvement in Army range for 
cannon systems.
    I would mention there is great R&D work going on, for 
example, on new munitions that can also provide very long range 
out of existing cannons. So, a mix of those two approaches 
might be warranted.
    Senator Cotton. Okay.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you. General, I want to move on to a 
little bit of a different topic here, which is testing critical 
capabilities.
    General Rainey I am concerned that our ability to test 
certain capabilities ranging from things like electronic 
warfare to directed energy, to hypersonics, are constrained by 
some current limitations that we have to conduct like open air 
as well as hardware in the loop and simulated test environments 
and experimentation, but also real world testing.
    I come from a flight test background for a number of years. 
We have some facilities around the country. Some really good 
ones happen to be in Arizona. The electronic proving ground at 
Fort Huachuca, the Yuma Proving Ground.
    I think both of these facilities are crucial to the Army's 
efforts. General Rainey, can you explain how the Army is 
ensuring that it has sufficient capacity and capability to 
proceed on its modernization requirements at the pace that our 
National Defense Strategy demands?
    General Rainey. Yes. Thank you, Senator, and to just 
acknowledge the point there. The ability to test is absolutely 
critical. That is not the pacing item. We currently aren't 
waiting for the ability to test on any modernization efforts. 
But as we continue to make progress, we have identified that as 
a potential.
    That is why we are continuing to invest heavily in places 
like Yuma and Fort Huachuca and Camp Grayling and other places. 
What we can't afford to do, from the modernization and 
transformation standpoint, would be to continue to pay for test 
capability and pay for training capability as separate things.
    So, one of the very positive initiatives Army has, is to 
bring those test and training capabilities together, so to make 
sure we don't ask for resources, use it in a test, and then let 
it go to waste. We need to use it for tests and then be able to 
train.
    That is why a place like the Fox training complex that 
gives you the ability to both test effectively and train 
effectively is one of our priorities.
    Senator Kelly. So, at the same facility. I think for 
Huachuca especially, when we look at issues we have that we are 
facing with electronic warfare, and it offers a very unique 
geography, let's say, to be able to transmit that relatively 
high-power level without disrupting populations.
    I don't think we do a lot of training there yet. My 
understanding is I think we might do more in the Yuma area. But 
I agree with you that the more we can integrate those two 
facilities into one, it would certainly make sense to me. In 
the Navy and the Air Force, we traditionally haven't done that.
    Maybe more recently we have, but like the Pax River, you 
know, Naval Air Station is really about, you know, 
developmental tests. Edwards Air Force Base, you know, the same 
for the Air Force. So, it is good to see the Army is doing 
this. Beyond that, like, how do you leverage the full capacity 
of an installation?
    I have found, as I have traveled down to Fort Huachuca and 
down to Yuma proving ground they often have the range--well, 
what they tend to be missing is like an investment in the test 
infrastructure.
    It might be thedolites, it might be other equipment to 
gather data. I think we often under invest in those systems. Is 
that your sense, General?
    General Rainey. On the specifics of our investment in that, 
I will defer to Hon. Bush. But to your point about how do you 
optimize them? Another thing is using all the tools you have, 
so live, virtual, and constructed, and having the ability to 
link those capabilities.
    So, linking someplace like Yuma to the National Training 
Center to Camp Pendleton, which is something that we do during 
Project Convergence and need to continue to do that to find 
efficiencies.
    To your point about the joint, we need to not just be able 
to do that in the Army, but we need to be able to train 
together, experiment together as a Joint Force, and that is one 
of the main efforts of the persistent experimentation we have 
in Project Convergence.
    You will see a lot of that, hopefully if you can come visit 
us, at EDGE, when we do the--it is the biggest annual aviation 
experiment we do out of Yuma next month.
    Senator Kelly. If we have more time, I would like to talk 
about EDGE maybe at the end of the hearing, Senator Cotton.
    Senator Cotton. Mr. Bush, again, I want to go back to the 
defense industrial base question. For the past few years, 
Congress has shown a willingness to fund and accelerate needed 
projects for the Army's organic industrial base.
    To that end, what projects within the Army ammunition plant 
modernization plan could be accelerated if Congress provides 
you with the necessary funding? Could you also explain how 
these projects would prepare the army for conflict with China?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. I think the great work done by my 
predecessor and General Daly at Army Materiel Command (AMC) was 
to develop a 15-year plan. And at the time, some questions, 
like why have a 15-year plan? Well, sure enough, all of a 
sudden there were more resources and we had a plan with shovel 
ready projects ready to go.
    We still have that. Sir, you mentioned one, I think it is 
the unfunded priorities list (UPL) list that certainly would be 
a strong candidate for Radford. There are others, and we can 
provide a detailed list. One to and up to perhaps 10 or 15 
projects as a followup, if I could. There is a limit of 
absorption at some places because we, of course, have to keep 
these plants running while we are modernizing them.
    So, we can't just shut the whole place down and modernize 
it. We are bumping up against that in a couple of places, but 
there is--I think we found that there is always more work that 
can be done. There are two types of projects. Some are really 
directly tied to increasing production capacity or automating 
systems or modernizing with regard to safety. Those are the 
ones that usually get the most attention.
    Others, though, that are equally as important is those 
long-term investments in the infrastructure of these places. 
Security, cyber investments, more resilient electricity, 
generation onsite, better roads. Those things matter too, sir.
    I think we are open to a dialog and a detailed level of 
what projects could be accelerated where based on what members 
might have in mind.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. We have been talking a lot about how 
to make these things. Let's talk about it now, where to put 
them and how we would use them. General Rainey, could you talk 
a little bit about how pre-positioned stocks could support the 
Army's role in the Western Pacific to include the possibility 
to pre-position stocks afloat?
    General Rainey. Senator, thank you very much. It gets to 
both the priority of the Indo-Pacific, the long lines of 
communication and contested logistics. So absolutely, the pre-
position has kind of like the deferred term.]
    Whether you are talking about Army prepositioned stock 
(APS) traditionally, but absolutely, the ability to position 
supplies forward in theater and INDOPACOM. I fully agree that 
that is something we need to be doing. I know General Flynn is 
pursuing that aggressively as the Army Commander out in the 
Pacific.
    If you look at one of the observations and lessons from 
Ukraine. I think is if you look at how fast we were able as a 
country to react and support Ukraine, it was underpinned by a 
lot of things. One of which was the amount of capability that 
we already had, forward position, the partnerships we had, the 
training capabilities that we had in Europe at 7th ATC, and the 
relationships we had with partners. Replicating that in the 
priority theater, I fully support and I agree with, sir.
    Senator Cotton. What about the prospects specifically of 
floating pre-positioned stock?
    General Rainey. There is a business case and ships at sea 
with a lot of stuff on them, have some risks associated with 
it. But I would defer to Mr. Bush on that.
    Mr. Bush. Sir, we have our APS-3 set, which is our current 
one afloat set. We did have to add funding for it in 2024 just 
to maintain it due to some increased costs, for example, on 
ship leases.
    But that is a vital capability and the Army is committed to 
maintaining it. Expansion of APS-4 beyond where it is today, 
heavily relies on really work of the State Department and 
others on getting access to these countries so we can build the 
locations. There is, anywhere in the Philippines, Australia, 
other Southeast Asian locations would be things that the Army I 
know has looked at and planned against.
    I believe the Department is working through getting to 
good--so we can start that process. I can tell you in our 
current, of course we are working on fiscal year 2025 already, 
how to expand APS-4 is a critical issue the Army is still 
working through.
    Senator Cotton. If they are not floating, they have to be 
on land somewhere, as you just alluded to. Just tell us in 
plain language, like what is the plan or the concept for 
preventing China from blowing all that stuff up in the early 
stages of a conflict?
    General Rainey. Yes, Senator. So, the ability to position 
anything gets to the one thing that is an even bigger problem 
than contested logistics, and that is the ability to protect 
anything you forward position. There is a kinetic aspect, so 
air and missile defense and integrated--that is never going to 
be the total solution.
    So, utilizing concealment, deception. One of the advantages 
of land-based capabilities, whether it be sustainment or long-
range fires, is they are more agile and able to move them. So 
good tactics and fighting.
    We are not going to be able to put anything in range and 
assume it is going to stay safe unless we fight to keep it 
safe. So, it is a balancing act. How much you go forward, you 
better be able to protect it. We are pursuing those efforts.
    Senator Cotton. You just touch indirectly, so I will ask 
you directly about something--I sometimes hear from other 
Senators who are on the Committee or just normal Arkansans who 
wonder about it, it is like, if we are going to be fighting 
China one day, isn't it going to be all out in the sea and in 
the air?
    The Army is fighting on the ground. So, what is the Army 
going to be up to out in the Western Pacific? Why does the Army 
need to worry about that? Could you just here in public, 
explain in plain language what the Army has to do with a fight 
that, if you just look at the map, appears to be all on water 
and in the air?
    General Rainey. Well, thank you, Senator, and I will try 
and do that. We fight as a Joint Force. There is not such a 
thing as an air maritime theater any more than there is such a 
thing as a land theater.
    The strength of the Joint Force is everybody brings their 
capabilities to bear. More specifically, the Army, as our 
Secretary has said, has several responsibilities to enable the 
Joint Force. Command and control, our title 10 responsibilities 
for both protection and sustained logistics.
    But we are absolutely going to be able and need to control 
land. Whether it is to position Air Force assets to support the 
Navy's operations, or they have to come and touch land, to 
secure ammunition sustainment.
    There is absolutely a role. We are going to always need the 
ability, No. 1, to deter them first, because this is a war we 
don't want to have, and that is underpinned by them believing 
that they would lose in a ground war with us.
    If we do transition to conflict, we are going to have to be 
able to take land away from the enemy. And if they defend it, 
that means taking it the old-fashioned way by killing them and 
secure it and protect the Joint Force. So, there is absolutely 
a role for our Army and every other service in what would be a 
horrific war.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you.
    Senator Kelly. Followup on something Senator Cotton said 
about China blowing the stuff up. If we forward position 
things, as we should, and have the munitions, the fuel, the 
equipment forward deployed, at some point in a conflict, we 
might need to be moving fuel, munitions, equipment across, say 
thousands of miles of ocean.
    I want to see what your thought is about our ability to do 
that. I mean, it is not specifically the job of the United 
States Army, but it is your stuff. And right now, today, we 
have in our Merchant Marine about 85 oceangoing merchant 
vessels. This is beyond what Military Sealift Command has.
    China has 5,500. Are you concerned about the ability, in a 
conflict, after it starts, about a logistics chain that goes 
across the Pacific Ocean, and our ability to sustain that?
    General Rainey. Yes, Senator. I think everybody in the 
Joint Forces is very concerned about that. I mean, you are 
talking the longest lines of communication that you can 
possibly imagine, and then fighting a really good enemy at the 
end of those.
    General Flynn is doing a lot of work, I know, to shorten 
those lines of communications by improving the pre-positioning 
of assets like we just previously discussed. But no, we are 
going to have to fight for that, and there are challenges.
    It will be contested at sea, and I am aware of the 
limitations of the Merchant Marine, but I am not an expert on 
it. But it is going to be a challenge, and we are going to have 
to fight for it, and we are going to have to protect it.
    Senator Kelly. I want to turn back in the last 3 minutes 
here before I turn it back over to Senator Cotton, about back 
over to Europe.
    I was in Poland, went to Kyiv, met with President Zelensky, 
spent over an hour with him, talking about a lot of the 
challenges he has faced. Some of the lessons learned. Met with 
his national security team.
    There are a lot of lessons coming from this conflict, 
lessons that they are learning, lessons I think that we should 
be learning as well. So, General, from what you have been 
briefed on so far, what have the operations in Ukraine exposed, 
first about the value of heavy ground forces and how they areh 
being deployed in Europe.
    General Rainey. Thank you. One, I am very proud of the Army 
and the Joint Force. We had our dedicated collection and lesson 
learned teams in place before the Russians even invaded--
General Brito, the TRADOC Commander. And we have numerous 
efforts ongoing.
    We take it very seriously. We have at my level, chief of 
staff at the level weekly conversations to pay attention to 
make sure we are learning everything we can from this tragedy. 
There are some things that haven't changed dramatically, if I 
may start there--the importance of humans.
    The war is fundamentally still a contest of will between 
humans and you are seeing the value of people fighting for 
something they believe in and inspirational leadership, and the 
impacts of those.
    So, some things don't change a lot about the nature of war, 
the importance of land. I think armored formations are 
absolutely relevant now and at any point in the future, but 
specifically now.
    Both, we are providing the Ukrainians are asking for them, 
the Russians are trying to sustain them--the increasing 
lethality of the war, especially the high explosive (HE) 
artillery precision stuff matters and is really fascinating. 
But HE artillery is still the number one killer. You have to be 
able to protect your soldiers and that space would be another 
example.
    Urban warfare, right? Everybody knows it is not what--you 
know, nobody wants to do it. It is the worst kind of attrition 
and it is the hardest thing, but it is unavoidable. When the 
people move to the cities, and urban areas sit astride your 
lines of communication.
    We are going to have to fight in urban areas and it is 
impossible to do that without the ability to penetrate them, 
and you can't do that unless you have mobile protected 
firepower to do that. So those would be some observations.
    Senator Kelly. One observation I had had to do with, and I 
hadn't seen this before, it is the way we are helping the 
maintenance and repair of systems, artillery systems, and 
others. It reminded me of telemedicine. The 10th Mountain 
Division Commander actually mentioned, and he used the word 
tele-maintenance, and that is what we are doing.
    I think that is something we need to try to capture is the 
ability to repair things in the field in a way we never really 
had before, where you can put the company's technical 
representative for the piece of hardware. It might be BAE 
systems, it might be Lockheed Martin.
    You essentially can virtually put them right there on the 
front lines when they need to repair something, not something I 
expected to see. Ukrainians are manufacturing parts. They can't 
make everything.
    They can make parts out of titanium. Right now, that is a 
complicated machining process that they don't have the 
capability within the country to do. But there is a lot they 
can do.
    I never really expected--and it is us, with the assistance 
the 10th Mountain Division is giving in trying to repair their 
equipment in a way that I don't think we have done before. I 
think that is a specific lesson that we need to capture and try 
to expand on.
    Senator Duckworth.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And good 
afternoon to our witnesses. General Rainey, thanks for the 
discussion we had about Futures Command a few weeks ago. I 
thought it was very illuminating.
    Last month, we learned about another delay with the 
improved turbine engine program, ITEP, and it won't be expected 
now until 2024. These delays not only affect the new Future 
Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) aircraft, but also the 
already fielded 60s and 64s. Assistant Secretary Bush, in an 
interview with Defense News, you characterized the source of 
the delay as manufacturing challenges and not design challenges 
for GE Aerospace.
    I know the Army is briefing me next month on the finer 
details of ITEP, and I look forward to getting to this issue 
in-depth then. But broadly, can you talk about the supply chain 
and component issues that are affecting ITEP? Is that what the 
manufacturing issue is, supply chain, or what is going on here?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, frankly, it is quality control further 
down the supply chain. Not--I mean GE is responsible for all of 
it, but of course, they have hundreds of subs that they deal 
with.
    A few very important ones have had trouble building some of 
the new parts. For example, some of them are 3D printed. We are 
using some new techniques here, making them at the quality 
levels needed to get engines to go to test. The good news is we 
did just last we laid off the second test engine. We are on a 
path to a better situation, but that is my understanding of the 
challenge.
    GE leadership is fully aware of it. I have had many 
conversations with myself. They know we are watching closely. 
They know how vital the program is. They are committed to 
getting it right. Right now, I am cautiously optimistic that 
our updated timelines will hold, but this will require constant 
attention, ma'am.
    Senator Duckworth. Yes. I have been very impressed with the 
Army and how they have developed the two new aircraft, and 
actually has always moved the timeline to the left, and now we 
are starting to slip right so, I am concerned about that.
    Are these concerns something that would affect other Army 
modernization programs like combat vehicle, the next generation 
combat vehicles, the downstream supply chain manufacturing 
tolerances? Is this something that is going to spread to other 
areas?
    Mr. Bush. I don't expect so, ma'am. Not--I mean, of course, 
in aviation, we have the highest standards. It is the most 
difficult things to produce. We have not seen anything like 
that recently with any of our ground vehicle programs, either 
of the new ones like mobile protective firepower, or the older 
ones.
    It is certainly a potential cause for concern. I would say 
right now I don't believe so, but it is definitely worth 
watching.
    Senator Duckworth. Okay, thank you. General Rainey, in our 
discussion last month, you described how Army Futures Command 
was reevaluating cross-functional teams, and how the Command is 
looking at the Army's new priorities and organizational 
changes.
    As you emphasized, the purpose of modernization is to drive 
transformation across a Joint Force. I am interested in hearing 
more about the integration across the total force, and your 
75th Innovation Command in particular.
    How does Futures Command integrate the experience of its 
Reserve component members? Are there best practices for the 
Army at large to incorporate into other Active Reserve units?
    General Rainey. Thank you, Senator----
    Senator Duckworth. I know--like tee ball, I just put the 
ball right on top of the tee for you.
    General Rainey. The 75th Innovation Command is a great 
success story of the Total Army, right? It is not, you get this 
from COMPO 1 and something less in COMPO 2 or 3. That is 
absolutely not the case. When it comes to what I do, I am 
trying to innovate, trying to find tech expertise without 
paying a whole bunch of money or taking a lot of time.
    The fact that the 75th Innovation Command and General Marty 
Klein, I can call him and say, ``here is a problem'' or ``here 
is what we think is a solution,'' ``we want somebody to 
troubleshoot.''
    His ability to reach out through his entire enterprise and 
find people that are not just experts but the best people in 
the military, a lot of them are the best people in the country 
in academia and industry, and being able to leverage that 
capability as we modernize the Army is kind of like a 
superpower.
    So absolutely, we should continue to expand it. As far as 
integrating across the Joint Force, I would offer Project 
Convergence as an example of that. It is our persistent 
experimentation approach nested with exercises and then 
periodically having capstone events.
    We believe that Project Convergence is an Army hosted joint 
experiment, and as for every year, as we do those capstone 
events, they become more and more joint. We add more and more 
partners, and that is another way that we are continuing to 
apply a sense of urgency into our integration efforts.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you. I am over time, but if you 
could reply for the record. I would like to know what the 
Army's plans are to a program and integrate Gray Eagle into the 
National Guard and Reserve--or Active and Reserve components.
    I want to make sure that the Army has a holistic view of 
concurrent and proportional fielding of weapon systems to 
achieve the total true force interoperability so that the 
National Guard is also getting the Gray Eagle in a way that 
they can actually also train up and operate them.
    General Rainey. Yes, Senator.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you. Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Kelly. You could take it. General, I am fine, if 
Senator Cotton is. If you want to take that and if you could 
talk about that briefly.
    General Rainey. I can talk about modernization of the Total 
Army and transformation of the Total Army. General McConville 
has been clear and adamant, as I know, because he was formerly 
his G-3.
    There is no modernization effort we have that is COMPO 1 
only. They are all spread and prioritized across, and I will 
followup with you on the specifics of the Gray Eagle.
    Senator Duckworth. Yes, probably General Schmidt would be 
better positioned to answer that. I am sorry. Should have asked 
her that.
    Major General Schmidt. No, that is okay, ma'am. But I would 
also just like to followup with you on that one afterwards.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you.
    Mr. Bush. Ma'am, I would add, if I could, Congress, we got 
the message. Congress was very clear about that capability in 
the Guard. We are in ``make it work, make it happen mode.'' 
With the Guard really in the lead in determining how they are 
going to build units where what composition with the MQ1s that 
Congress directed.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you.
    Senator Kelly. Just make sure you hang the right stuff on 
it. Senator Cotton.
    Senator Cotton. Mr. Bush, I want to talk about the 
integrated visual augmentation system, or IVAS. It began a new 
stage of development recently in December 2022. After several 
critical soldier touch points, the Army approved the purchase 
of 5,000 IVAS 1.1 systems.
    At the same time, Microsoft agreed to develop the new IVAS 
1.2 system, which will, if successful, change the design of the 
system and improve its performance.
    Fiscal year 2022 appropriations included a $394 million 
reduction in IVAS procurement, citing the original spending 
request as ahead of need. In March 2021, the Army awarded 
Microsoft a deal worth up to $22 billion over the next 10 years 
to move the IVAS program from rapid prototyping to production.
    Mr. Bush, why has the Army included some IVAS funding in 
the base budget while shifting some funds to two different 
projects on the Army's unfunded priority list?
    Mr. Bush. Senator, I think what you are seeing there is the 
Army trying to re-phase that program. We unfortunately we did a 
very difficult test with it and found all the problems.
    While that is good that we found the problems, still 
disappointing and not the outcome we were looking for. One 
thing I would say is our ability to restructure that program on 
the fly here, very quickly to try to get to 1.2, is because of 
the new authorities we are using. That would have been almost 
impossible under a traditional system.
    To your specific question, we laid in funding we thought 
was sufficient to just get over the line to get 1.2 developed 
in 2024. The UFR items would let us go a little faster into 
actual production, if it proves successful this year, sir. I 
think we are taking a deliberate approach. Whereas the first 
time around was honestly very, very aggressive on timeline and 
production ramp up, this time we are being more cautious.
    We want to make sure Microsoft, they have to deliver. This 
1.2 system needs to be exactly what the Army needs or we are 
not going to produce it. I think, sir, that is one reason we 
scaled the funding back that way.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. General Rainey, Mr. Bush hinted at my 
next question. How confident are you that the testing for 1.2 
will be successful?
    General Rainey. I am very confident. It is not just the 
technical testing aspect. One of the successes of our 
modernization effort is using soldier touch points.
    Because we have 5,000 of them, we are going to continue--
not putting them into operational units where there would be a 
potential impact, but we are going to not just let them sit in 
a Conex somewhere.
    We are moving them around to places like the Maneuver 
Center of Excellence, for example, where we have some of our 
experienced soldiers continue to do that. We are working with 
Microsoft, so we have the users working hand in hand as we 
develop the next thing. We are going to get it and we are going 
to test it with real warfighters and get that soldier feedback.
    I am confident both, that we will test it effectively 
because we always do, the rigor that we put in the last one. 
But I am really kind of--what I am going to wait and hear from 
is the staff sergeants and the lieutenants and company 
commanders providing user feedback.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. If that testing does not go as well 
as we had hoped, the Army is prepared to take a look at the 
program?
    Mr. Bush. Yes, sir. Institutionally for the Army, it is 
always a very hard decision to admit we can't succeed 
somewhere.
    This is a potential area where, look, if the testing 
doesn't prove out very quickly that it is capable and going to 
get us what we need, the Army is absolutely prepared to end 
that arrangement and seek a new competition.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. I want to turn in the time remaining 
to Abrams Tanks, Mr. Bush. The Army's fiscal year 2024 unfunded 
priority list includes $533 million for Abrams set version 3 
procurement to achieve a complete armored brigade combat team 
set. Those additional tanks would decrease the estimated costs 
per unit from $17 million, that is 34 tanks at current funding, 
to $12.3 million, 87 tanks.
    In resourcing this, this requirement would accelerate the 
fielding of the M1A2 set version 3 tanks to one Active 
component BCT by year. So, the Army included $533 million on 
its unfunded priority list for the Abrams Tank procurement, but 
that seems to have become something of an annual occurrence, 
appearing on the unfunded priority list as opposed to the base 
request.
    Can you tell me why this seems to continue year after year 
of this funding for tanks going on the unfunded list as opposed 
to the base request?
    Mr. Bush. So, Senator, of course, the Chief of Staff of the 
Army, it is his list in terms of why it appears there, but your 
question is a very fair one. I believe, as I mentioned, we have 
accepted some risk there in the base budget request.
    We don't think it is too low, but that is less funding than 
as articulated in the UPL would be perhaps ideal. There is 
another mitigating factor, however, and that is recent 
increases in foreign military sales.
    So, a very large order from Poland is going to end up being 
more than 300 tanks worth of work. A recent order from Romania 
will give us an excess of 50 or 60 or so additional tanks of 
work.
    There is, of course, potential for additional tanks for 
Ukraine long term, so, we are always trying to balance between 
foreign military sales and our production to keep a healthy 
production line.
    I think the Chief, as articulated in the UPL, believes that 
was an important one. It is a very large amount of money, so I 
think I would defer to him on his specific thoughts for why 
that was so high on his list.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you.
    Senator Kelly. Similar to tanks, I want to move to 
helicopters. Not something I have a ton of experience with, 
though I did get to fly the Apache last year out of Boeing in 
Phoenix, which was quite the experience.
    The Army has placed a big focus and resources on its future 
vertical lift priorities, the future long range assault 
aircraft and the future attack reconnaissance aircraft. Neither 
of these systems are projected to field until 2030 or beyond. 
They are going to augment, not replace, the current Black Hawk 
and Apache fleet. The Chinook remains the Army's only heavy 
lift capability.
    Yet in large part, the Army continues to defer investments 
in the stuff we have in order to fund these longer term two 
systems that are just going to augment what we have today. Does 
the Army still consider a manned reconnaissance aircraft the 
right solution here?
    Can you just, in general, give me an update on the future 
long range assault aircraft and the reconnaissance aircraft?
    General Rainey. Thank you, Senator. The short answer is 
yes, there is absolutely going to be a requirement for the 
United States Army, as part of the Joint Force, to conduct 
vertical envelopment in the future, now or at any point. So, 
the ability to avoid that attrition warfare I was talking 
earlier by maneuvering, by ground, and by air to dislocate our 
enemies and envelop our enemies.
    We absolutely need to maintain what is the strength of our 
current Army, and that is Army aviation. If you look at your 
specific question, there is always going to be a requirement 
for human reconnaissance. Reconnaissance and security is an 
essential of warfare. You have to not get surprised and you 
want to make contact on your own terms.
    How much of that can go unmanned versus manned is very much 
at issue, and we should be paying attention to learning from 
that. But the ability in an all-weather chaos, fighting the 
Chinese who are very good at not only disrupting our technical 
capabilities, but also injecting mis and disinformation, have 
the ability to talk to a human that you know and train who is 
looking at something and provide that back to the commander 
will always be a requirement.
    Where that falls out on our other requirements will be a 
decision that we will make. But pursuing that capability, I 
agree, sir, I believe is the right thing.
    Senator Kelly. You know, Blackhawks moving people, the 
Chinook, people and equipment, and the Apache putting ordinance 
on target. Those are missions that we can't take our eye off 
of.
    General Rainey. Absolutely.
    Senator Kelly. They are going to be around with these 
platforms for a number of years. My concern is that we do have 
to focus on the future and beyond 2030.
    At the same time, we have got to make sure that we continue 
to be able to support the warfighter with what he needs today, 
too, and I think that is those three platforms. Senator Cotton, 
you have any further questions?
    Well, with that, General Rainey, Secretary Bush, General 
Schmidt, thank you very much for being here today, and the 
hearing is concluded.
    [Whereupon, at 4:04 p.m., the Committee adjourned.]

    [Questions for the record with answers supplied follow:]

           Questions Submitted by Senator Richard Blumenthal
                        black hawk modernization
    1. Senator Blumenthal. Secretary Bush, the Army has stated that the 
Future Long-Range Assault Aircraft (FLRAA) is not a 1:1 replacement for 
the Black Hawk helicopter. Is this correct?
    Secretary Bush. Correct. The Future Long Range Assault Aircraft 
(FLRAA) is not projected as a 1:1 replacement for the Black Hawk. In 
the near term, FLRAA will supplement the Black Hawk fleet and provide 
transformational increases in capability. The Army is currently 
executing an analysis to determine the FLRAA procurement quantity and 
what the fleet mix of FLRAA and Black Hawk will be within the Aviation 
Force Structure.

    2. Senator Blumenthal. Secretary Bush, the committee understands 
that Black Hawk will remain in service in all Army divisions, in some 
number, well into the 2070's. We have been told that 800 to 900 such 
aircraft will remain in service. Is this accurate?
    Secretary Bush. The Black Hawk helicopter provides a very capable 
and necessary medium-lift capability which will continue to serve the 
Army for several decades. As we enhance our medium-lift capability 
through investment in the Future Long Range Assault Aircraft (FLRAA), 
which is designated to augment our current capability, the Army's 
continuous assessment and refinement of Force Structure requirements 
will ultimately define the right quantity and mix of Black Hawks 
necessary to support current and emerging long-term Department of 
Defense mission requirements.

    3. Senator Blumenthal. General Rainey, in addition to the Improved 
Turbine Engine Program engine and Modular Open Systems Approach, I 
would like to better understand the Army's plan to ensure the Black 
Hawk is viable and capable in the Joint All-Domain Operations (JADO) 
environment. What is the Army looking to do to recapture performance, 
enhance survivability, improve safety and increase operational 
readiness?
    General Rainey. The Army will continue to modernize, equip, and 
sustain the Army of 2030 to successfully conduct multi-domain 
operations as part of an integrated Joint Force. We have initiated a 
Modular Open Systems Approach on the Black Hawk fleet to rapidly 
integrate new capabilities. We will continue to explore new 
technologies to be able to operate the Black Hawk as new threats and 
capability gaps arise.

    4. Senator Blumenthal. General Rainey, as the Army continues to 
operate and sustain the Black Hawk helicopter program well into the 
2070's, what is the Army's plan to ensure that these aircraft remain 
relevant and interoperable with FLRAA in the JADO environment?
    General Rainey. The Black Hawk is definitively part of the enduring 
fleet and will continue to serve the Army for several decades. Our 
priority is to modernize the Army National Guard by replacing the aging 
UH-60L models with the UH-60V and UH-60M. Additionally, the Army will 
leverage targeted modernization efforts through a Modular Open Systems 
Approach and by integrating stronger, more fuel-efficient engines 
(Improved Turbine Engine), in order to sustain the Black Hawk's 
relevance and interoperability with modernized Future Vertical Lift 
Systems.

    5. Senator Blumenthal. Major General Schmidt, is an acquisition 
strategy currently being developed or at least planned modernize Black 
Hawk?
    Major General Schmidt. As the Army continues to assess the 
structure of the utility helicopter fleet, we are considering 
contracting strategies to both modernize our fleet and support our 
allies. We believe it is vital to establish affordable contracts to 
achieve our long-term national security objectives.
              future attack reconnaissance aircraft (fara)
    6. Senator Blumenthal. General Rainey, what transformational 
characteristics is the Army seeking to give them leap ahead 
capabilities in the JADO environment and U.S. Indo-Pacific Command 
(INDOPACOM) theater?
    General Rainey. The Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) 
Ecosystem provides the Joint Force Commander multi-echelon effects and 
options across multiple domains simultaneously to present the enemy 
with multiple dilemmas and shorten the sensor to shooter and decision 
cycle timelines.
    FARA will serve as the stand-in sensor for the Corps and Division, 
providing actionable target data through Deep Sensing at the tactical 
level to enable long range precision fires from safe stand-off 
distance. It will also provide the tactical commander options to delay, 
disrupt, or destroy/penetrate enemy Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) and 
integrated fires in order to create avenues of approach that will 
enable conduct of air assault operations (e.g. Future Long Range 
Assault Aircraft) and deployment of other Army modernization 
capabilities.
    Utilizing masking and clutter of the air, maritime, and land 
domain, FARA will use simplistic and low workload Command and Control 
(C2) to employ a family of Launched Effects with broad capabilities 
spanning from detect / locate / identify / report, lethal and non-
lethal effects, to communications relay and protection functionality 
enabling distributed C2 across vast distances in noncontiguous areas 
and outside normal supporting ranges and distances. Automation and 
Artificial Intelligence will enable collaborative behaviors across 
these extensions of FARA in an ecosystem to provide target recognition 
and enable precision fires at the time of need.

    7. Senator Blumenthal. Secretary Bush, can you confirm to the 
Committee that FARA is, indeed, the Army's No. 1 aviation modernization 
priority?
    Secretary Bush. The Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) is 
among the Army's top modernization efforts and is Army Aviation's No. 1 
modernization priority. The clean-sheet, next-generation design and 
Modular Open Systems Approach (MOSA) of FARA mitigates a critical armed 
aerial reconnaissance gap for the Army, enables operations in highly 
contested airspace, and set the conditions for mission success against 
peer/near-peer enemies engaged in Large Scale Combat Operations.

    8. Senator Blumenthal. General Rainey, why is FARA so important to 
the Army in the JADO environment? How is it instrumental in INDOPACOM?
    General Rainey. The projected Future Operational Environment of 
Joint All Domain Operations (JADO) and INDOPACOM is characterized by 
Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD), including Integrated Air Defense 
Systems (IADS) and integrated mid-and long-range fires complexes that 
will limit military maneuver.
    National, Strategic, and Army-level Intelligence, Surveillance, and 
Reconnaissance (ISR) assets will be contested and challenged in timely 
and sufficient quantity for targeting in the JADO/INCOPACOM operational 
environment.
    This ecosystem approach--paired with speed and range in the manned 
platform and a Modular Open System Approach digital backbone--allows 
for enhancements at the speed of technology, provides a level of 
survivability that we have not seen within Army Aviation, and delivers 
deep reach within a non-permissive environment in an augmentation to 
5th generation fighter aircraft to penetrate and disintegrate the 
strategic and theater strategic theater IADS.
    Disintegration of this IADS allows freedom of maneuver and 
engagement from 4th generation fighter aircraft and AH-64s to 
disintegrate, isolate, dislocate, or destroy the enemy long-range fires 
and allowing the division and corps freedom of maneuver.
    Without the employment of the FARA Ecosystem and the capabilities 
it will bring to bear, the Army will be unable to target deep to set 
the conditions and exploit the relative advantage necessary to employ 
many of the Army's key modernization programs that will expand 
opportunities for the joint force and create more dilemmas for the 
enemy.

    9. Senator Blumenthal. General Rainey, what is the current schedule 
and plan for development, test, and fielding for this program?
    General Rainey. The Army is on track to complete Future Attack 
Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) Competitive Prototype efforts prior to 
the end of fiscal year 2025, with the Weapon System Development program 
achieving Milestone B in 2d quarter, fiscal year 2026. The Army will 
continue to refine the remainder of the schedule as the program gets 
closer to Milestone B and transitions to a Major Capability Acquisition 
pathway.
           Questions Submitted by Senator Angus S. King, Jr.
  active protection systems for bradley fighting vehicles and stryker 
                            combat vehicles
    10. Senator King. General Rainey, it's evident that the Army is 
woefully behind our peers and allies in the development and fielding of 
Active Protection Systems (APS) for our combat vehicles; we attached an 
Israeli system to our tanks. While we seem to have a plan for the next-
generation vehicles, what about the vehicles that would go to war today 
such as Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Stryker combat vehicles? What is 
your plan to rapidly field APS systems on those vehicles?
    General Rainey. There are many ways to protect combat vehicles, and 
APS systems are a likely element of a more comprehensive approach. 
However, The Army is not yet at a point where rapid fielding of APS 
solutions across the entire combat vehicle force is achievable for a 
variety of reasons. However, the Army continues to invest in the 
development and integration of platform protection enhancements for 
Bradley, Stryker and other combat vehicles within our Vehicle 
Protection Suite program ($79.25 million (M) Research, Development, 
Test and Evaluation (RDTE) funding programmed in fiscal year 2024; 
total of $400.9 million RTDE across the Future Years Defense Program).

    11. Senator King. Secretary Bush, why is there no funding in your 
new budget request to accommodate such plans?
    Secretary Bush. The Army continues to invest in the development and 
integration of platform protection enhancements for Bradley, Stryker 
and other combat vehicles within our Vehicle Protection Suite program 
($79.25 million (M) Research, Development, Test and Evaluation (RDTE) 
funding programmed in fiscal year 2024 (FY24); total of $400.9 million 
RTDE across the Future Years Defense Program). However, given limited 
resources, at this time the Army is prioritizing other combat vehicle 
upgrade efforts rather than investing more funding to accelerate APS 
fielding.
                       supply chain vulnerability
    12. Senator King. Secretary Bush, over the last few years Maine 
producers of critical materials such as tungsten have seen a positive 
and appreciated increase in the focus, commitment, and funding around 
reducing United States industrial base supply chain vulnerabilities led 
by the Department of Defense's Industrial Base Analysis and Sustainment 
team with strong support from the Army Combat Capabilities Development 
Command Armaments Center. These efforts help reduce defense industrial 
base risks and reliance on foreign sources such as China. How is the 
DOD helping incent and train the large prime contractors to take a 
similarly proactive approach to strengthen the critical material 
industry base?
    Secretary Bush. As part of a proactive approach, the Army is 
currently developing a Supply Chain Risk Management (SCRM) Directive 
that will emphasize the Original Equipment Manufacturers' role in 
system supply chain management and addressing risk. Additionally, the 
Army directive will highlight the government's role in helping manage 
supply chain risk and the SCRM guidebook will provide recommendations 
for incentivizing vendors as part of the contract process during source 
selection. The Army is also working closely with our Office of the 
Secretary of Defense partners to address strengthening our industrial 
base using the Defense Production Act (DPA). We have been using DPA 
Title I to help reduce schedule time to speed up delivery of equipment 
and DPA Title III to enable critical production nodes to accelerate and 
expand delivery.
                     long-range hypersonic weapons
    13. Senator King. Secretary Bush, how does the reported 
cancellation of the Air Force's Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon 
program impact the Army's commitment to boost-glide systems like Long-
Range Hypersonic Weapon that uses Common Hypersonic Glide Body?
    Secretary Bush. The reported cancellation of the Air Force's Air-
Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) program has no impact on the 
Army's continued commitment to the Long Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW). 
The ARRW program employs a boost glide system unique to the Air Force 
and its platform, while the Army and Navy share a Common Hypersonic 
Glide Body for their partnered hypersonic efforts (Army's LRHW and 
Navy's Conventional Prompt Strike). Though different, the lessons 
learned from ARRW's development benefit the overall hypersonic 
enterprise, including the Army's efforts. Army remains on track to 
deliver the first prototype LRHW system by the end of fiscal year 2023.
             Questions Submitted by Senator Gary C. Peters
                         robotic combat vehicle
    14. Senator Peters. Secretary Bush, since the Army chose a software 
acquisition pathway approach successfully enabling the incorporation of 
innovative commercial technology into the Robotic Combat Vehicle (RCV) 
program, will it consider a similar acquisition strategy for other 
Programs of Record in the near future? If so, which programs?
    Secretary Bush. Lessons Learned from the Robotic Combat Vehicle 
(RCV) program and software baseline architecture will be applied for 
future RCV upgrades. While the Army has not formally started similar 
programs for other platforms at this time, we are considering this 
pathway for developing next generation platforms like the Optionally 
Manned Fighting Vehicle.
               optionally manned fighting vehicle (omfv)
    15. Senator Peters. Secretary Bush, the Next Generation Combat 
Vehicles (NGCV) cross functional team is working to advance combat 
vehicle technology to improve survivability and lethality on the 
battlefield. The OMFV is a centerpiece of NGCV's work. Your budget 
exhibits for the OMFV program took a significant reduction in fiscal 
year 2024 (nearly $250 million less than forecasted last year). I 
understand this has driven the program team to reduce prototypes from 
11 to 7 per bidder. Are 7 prototypes enough to accomplish all the test 
objectives for this phase of the program?
    Secretary Bush. Seven Prototypes per bidder is sufficient to 
accomplish the program's objectives while improving affordability. The 
Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle program will be able to complete all 
the test objectives for this phase with some adjustments to the test 
schedule.

    16. Senator Peters. Secretary Bush, will the Army still be able to 
award three contracts to three competitors as you have expressed is 
your intent for this phase, or do you intend to reduce to two 
competitors?
    Secretary Bush. The Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle program is 
currently in Source Selection, so we cannot comment on that issue at 
this time.
                    tactical wheeled vehicles (twv)
    17. Senator Peters. Secretary Bush and General Rainey, tactical 
wheeled vehicles modernization programs--like Family of Heavy Tactical 
Vehicles, Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles, and Joint Light Tactical 
Vehicle (JLTV)--with the latest advancements in payload, safety, and 
mobility are essential to supplying combat vehicles with fuel, ammo, 
and spare parts to take and control ground. In other words, TWVs are a 
critical backbone of the logistics needed to sustain and win a fight. I 
also understand that the Army is developing a new Cross Functional Team 
(CFT) focused on contested logistics. Will TWVs bea focus area of this 
new CFT?
    Secretary Bush and General Rainey. As we look toward the future, 
multi-modal distribution is essential as well as reduction in supply 
requirements within the tactical force. No single domain of transport 
will meet the distribution requirements of the Joint Force. Another key 
to this problem is human-machine integration that may allow for reduced 
manning in multi-modal transport systems, providing reduced risk and 
higher efficiency to meet the Army and Joint Force supply requirements.
    The Contested Logistics (CL) Cross Functional Team (CFT) does not 
yet have an approved portfolio, but we expect to have the portfolio 
approved in the coming weeks. Army Futures Command will assign three to 
five modernization efforts to the CL CFT, focused on tactical level 
logistics. Multi-capable or multi-modal distribution platforms, which 
includes tactical wheeled vehicles, is one area that is being 
considered as an area of focus for the CL CFT.

    18. Senator Peters. Secretary Bush and General Rainey, will future 
Army budgets start to reflect TWVs role as critical and primary 
enabling warfighting capabilities?
    Secretary Bush and General Rainey. The Army is updating the 
Tactical Wheeled Vehicle (TWV) Strategy with expected completion next 
year. In fiscal year 2024, the Army is investing $1.31 billion in the 
TWV fleet including the Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles, Family of 
Heavy Tactical Vehicles, Joint Light Tactical Vehicle, High Mobility 
Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle, Palletized Load System and the 
development of the Common Tactical Truck. The Army will continue to 
invest in a mix of vehicles within the TWV fleet in future budget 
submissions as we build the Army of 2030 and design the Army of 2040.
    Future Army budgets will continue to take a fiscally responsible 
approach to procurement that minimizes risk while providing balanced 
modernization to our units. We recognize the challenges of a contested 
logistics environment, and we address that challenge in the fiscal year 
2024 budget submission by continuing investment in Army watercraft, 
modernized fuel and water storage and distribution systems, and 
enhancing our aerial delivery capabilities.
           high-mobility multipurpose wheeled vehicle (hmmwv)
    19. Senator Peters. Secretary Bush, based on current Army budget 
justification materials, the Army will retain an extensive HMMWV fleet 
of approximately 55,000 vehicles, even after fielding 49,099 JLTVs, all 
of which must continue to be modernized and sustained. Due to an 
increase in near-peer competition from Russia and China, the Army 
recently changed its operational focus and is currently studying ways 
to modernize its tactical wheeled vehicle fleet. To date, the Army has 
no shared a compelling light tactical wheeled vehicle strategy for 
continued modernization of the HMMWV family of vehicles to meet 
significant mobility needs over the remainder of the vehicle's planned 
life. How is the Army assessing and managing risk in the light tactical 
wheeled vehicle industrial base?
    Secretary Bush. The Army exercises frequent and deliberate 
engagements with Industry to identify and address risks and issues that 
affect the industrial base with a focus on minimum sustaining rates, 
potential production breaks and supply chain impacts. The Army is 
balancing Tactical Wheeled Vehicle (TWV) modernization by prioritizing 
among Light Tactical Vehicle investments, maintaining warm Heavy and 
Medium Tactical Vehicle production bases, and by increasing competition 
across the industrial base for programs such as Joint Light Tactical 
Vehicle, Common Tactical Truck and electric Light Reconnaissance 
Vehicle. A healthy and competitive TWV industrial base is key to 
controlling costs, enhancing innovation and improving quality.

    20. Senator Peters. Secretary Bush, what factors are you using to 
evaluate the defense light tactical wheeled vehicle fleet, specifically 
HMMWVs?
    Secretary Bush. The Army is currently updating the Tactical Wheeled 
Vehicle (TWV) Strategy, which we expect to complete late next year. We 
intend to develop a flexible strategy that will allow the Army to 
adjust the TWV fleet as requirements change. Essential to establishing 
TWV fleet requirements is the approval of an Army Force Structure 
designed to meet the twin challenges of Multi-Domain Operations and 
Contested Logistics, especially with regard to INDOPACOM. The Army 
appreciates congressional support for High Mobility Multipurpose 
Wheeled Vehicle procurement and understands it will be an enduring 
vehicle in the Army inventory. The Army will continue to invest in a 
mix of vehicles within the TWV fleet in future budget submissions as we 
build the Army of 2030 and design the Army of 2040.

                      infantry squad vehicle (isv)
    21. Senator Peters. Secretary Bush, the benefits of commercial off-
the-shelf technology have proven to be undeniably important as we work 
to achieve full Army modernization. The Infantry Squad Vehicle, which 
just achieved full-rate production, is a new platform that clearly 
demonstrates how leveraging Commercial-Off-The-Shelf (COTS) products 
leads to efficiency in schedule, procurement and cost. As the Army 
looks to modernize several fleets of older and less agile vehicles, 
including the HMMWV, is the Army considering taking the best of this 
COTS platform and leveraging its different variants beyond the 
traditional ISV-9 to procure one vehicle that can answer the call to 
many missions?
    Secretary Bush. Yes, the Army is considering other potential 
configuration and mission options to leverage the commercial off-the-
shelf capability presented by the ISV-9 platform. These efforts are 
currently in the development stages.

               Questions Submitted by Senator Tom Cotton
                               munitions
    22. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, the Army's fiscal year 2024 
budget request includes funds for 110 Precision Strike Missile 
Increment 1 (PrSM). Can you expand on what factors led Army to this 
number (production capacity, funding concerns, program status etc.)?
    Secretary Bush. The Army's fiscal year 2024 budget request 
increases production capacity by purchasing rate tooling and procures 
110 Precision Strike Missiles. The quantity is derived as an estimate 
based upon the Army Cost Position approved at Milestone B in fiscal 
year 2021 and the expected missile unit cost in this phase of the 
acquisition lifecycle.

    23. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the current status of 
PrSM Increment 1 testing?
    Secretary Bush. Precision Strike Missile Increment 1 has completed 
six system level flight tests and achieved Technology Readiness Level 
six (TRL-6). The program is currently conducting hardware, software 
qualification and safety testing. The program will start a series of 
production qualification flight tests in 4th quarter, fiscal year 2023.

    24. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the expected timeline 
for testing completion?
    Secretary Bush. Precision Strike Missile Increment 1 developmental 
testing and subsystem (component) qualification is ongoing. This 
testing was schedule to be completed in fiscal year 2022, but guidance 
set and solid rocket motor qualification failures have delayed the 
activity. Subsystem qualification is scheduled to be completed in 4th 
quarter, fiscal year 2023, where the program will begin production 
qualification flight tests thru 1st quarter, fiscal year 2025, followed 
by Initial Operational Test and Evaluation to conclude in 3d quarter, 
fiscal year 2025.

    25. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the assessed date for 
making initial and low rate as well as full rate production decisions?
    Secretary Bush. We are producing Early Operational Capability (EOC) 
Increment 1 missiles with delivery beginning in 4th quarter, fiscal 
year 2023 (not low-rate initial production). There will be three more 
EOC lots ending in fiscal year 2027. A Full Rate Production decision 
review will occur after Milestone C in fiscal year 2025.

    26. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what does DOD assess as the 
risk of moving those points forward, and what factors contribute to 
that assessment?
    Secretary Bush. Accelerating the program is high risk. The current 
program plan has accelerated production activities to deliver EOC 
missiles concurrent with Production Qualification Testing (PQT) flight 
testing. Results of PQT testing will inform design updates needed for 
full rate production and achieve full materiel release. Known design 
updates include fuze and guidance set obsolescence (M-Code compliance) 
and fully incorporates cybersecurity/program protection requirements.

    27. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the current status of 
PrSM Increment 2 testing?
    Secretary Bush. In 2021, the Precision Strike Missile (PrSM) 
Increment 2 program procured common long lead PrSM Increment 1 hardware 
to stand up software, hardware, and model and simulation test 
facilities. In 2022, the program awarded contracts to begin transition 
and refactoring activities for sharing of Interface Control 
Documentation between the Army and the prime contractor. In March 2023, 
U.S. Army Combat Capabilities Development Command Aviation and Missile 
Center completed its final Science and Technology flight test effort of 
the Land-Based Anti-Ship Missile (LBASM) seeker on a surrogate missile 
(Tail-Controlled Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System) to prove out 
seeker component technologies. The PrSM Increment 2 development effort 
transitions and integrates the LBASM seeker into the PrSM form factor 
creating the Increment 2 missile. Initial system-level prototype flight 
testing begins late fiscal year 2024/2025 to support Technology 
Readiness Level 6 (TRL-6) in fiscal year 2026.

    28. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the expected timeline 
for testing completion?
    Secretary Bush. Precision Strike Missile Increment 2 anticipates 
the Initial Operating Test and Evaluation to complete in fiscal year 
2031.

    29. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what is the assessed date for 
making initial and low rate as well as full rate production decisions?
    Secretary Bush. System level prototype flight test results will 
inform an initial Early Operational Capability production decision to 
meet the Army's July 2022 directed requirement to deliver Precision 
Strike Missile Increment 2 missiles in fiscal year 2027. The Army 
projects a Full Rate Production decision after a successful milestone C 
and Initial Operational Test and Evaluation in the 2032 timeframe.

    30. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what does DOD assess as the 
risk of moving those points forward, and what factors contribute to 
that assessment?
    Secretary Bush. Seeker technology for Precision Strike Missile 
(PrSM) Increment 2 needs to be matured, tested and qualified to ensure 
components will survive the PrSM environment. Acceleration of schedule 
greatly impacts confidence in the missile performance and reliability 
to meet the warfighter's needs. Currently, the program is assuming risk 
in rapidly delivering Increment 2 capability early by awarding an Early 
Operational Capability production contract with less than three 
prototype flight tests in the PrSM form-factor.

    31. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, you mentioned a ramp up of 
production for PrSM; what does the procurement plan look like over the 
FYDP and what is the expected maximum production rate in the future?
    Secretary Bush. The program is investing funds to increase 
production rates to 300 missiles per year by fiscal year 2027. The 
production facility shares floor space with the Army Tactical Missile 
System (ATACMS) at the Camden, AR facility. An opportunity exists to 
increase production to 400 missiles per year after sunsetting ATACMS. 
Additional production beyond 400 missiles would require a new facility.

    32. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, can industry produce more than 
110 missiles in fiscal year 2024 if requested? If so, how many? If not, 
what is the limiting factor?
    Secretary Bush. Yes, production capacity is 120 missiles. The 
delivery of missiles begins 30 months after production contract award.

    33. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, what if any tradeoffs does the 
Department assess there are in increasing fiscal year 2024 production 
and what is the Department's view on those tradeoffs?
    Secretary Bush. The Army would accept more Early Operational 
Capability missiles that do not meet all requirements. Production 
Qualification Tests, safety tests, and operational tests will not be 
completed prior to production award.

    34. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, when considering future 
development of PrSM increments, what factors is Army considering to 
determine inventory requirements?
    Secretary Bush. As future increments are developed the Army will 
update the Total Munitions Requirement (TMR) dependent on the needs of 
the Army at that time. Modeling and future operational needs will drive 
the quantities needed. Currently, approval of the fiscal year 2029 TMR 
is pending.

                                 rdt&e
    35. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, I remain concerned that DOD 
wastes funds on duplicative research efforts that do not transition to 
programs of record. Can you explain any currently implemented processes 
and mechanisms to evaluate which research efforts get funded?
    Secretary Bush. The Army's Science & Technology (S&T) program funds 
priority research and development efforts guided by the Army's 
Modernization Priorities and, ultimately, the National Defense 
Strategy. We balance near-and mid-term efforts in support of the 
Modernization Priorities with investments in the foundational science 
which forms the backbones of the capabilities our soldiers will need in 
the long term. The office of the Assistant Secretary of the Army for 
Acquisition, Logistics, and Technology provides oversight of the Army 
S&T enterprise and through the budgeting process helps to ensure our 
research programs address the highest priority Army needs, while 
avoiding any duplication.

    36. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, can you explain any currently 
implemented processes and mechanisms to coordinate research efforts to 
avoid duplicative or redundant efforts?
    Secretary Bush. The Army, along with our sister Services, 
coordinate research activities through a number of mechanisms. For 
instance, the Department of Defense (DoD) Communities of Interest bring 
together the Army Science and Technology executing commands, Army 
Senior Research Scientists and Subject Matter Experts with their 
colleagues in the other Services and the Office of the Secretary of 
Defense to ensure research in areas of interest across the department 
are non-duplicative. Coordination is also carried out through the DOD 
Innovation Steering Group.

    37. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, can you explain any currently 
implemented processes and mechanisms to track the Department's success 
in transition of research and development efforts to fielded combat 
capability?
    Secretary Bush. We have developed and are using a number of 
strategies to improve transition success, including identifying 
transition pathways early in the Science and Technology (S&T) process. 
This includes establishing stage gate reviews for S&T efforts where 
acquisition Program Managers are involved and get a vote; and using 
signed Transition Agreements between the S&T labs and Program Executive 
Offices to help hold our leaders accountable for successful 
transitions.

    38. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, is there currently any tracking 
and analytics of how many research project transition to fielded 
capability and why certain projects failed to transition?
    Secretary Bush. We have recently begun a new effort to categorize 
and track transitions across three broad areas--transition of a 
technology to programs of record; transition to industry or another 
government agency; and transition of technical information to help 
inform requirements or specifications. By looking at transitions in a 
more holistic way like this, we are able to better quantify the value 
our S&T community is providing to the soldier and gathering this data 
has and will continue to help us refine our strategies for more 
successful transition.

    39. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, can you explain any currently 
implemented processes and mechanisms to expedite development, testing, 
and fielding timelines?
    Secretary Bush. The Army feels that the use of rapid acquisition 
authorities such as Urgent Capability Acquisition (UCA) and Middle Tier 
of Acquisition (MTA) do expedite capability delivery to the warfighter. 
The use of Other Transaction Authority (OTA) agreements is another 
process the Army uses to accelerate the purchase of products and 
services supporting capability delivery to the warfighter.

    40. Senator Cotton. Secretary Bush, can you explain any currently 
implemented processes and mechanisms to assess Department wide sources 
of delays to capability development and fielding and any steps to 
address such sources?
    Secretary Bush. The Army has two primary tools to assess sources of 
delays: integrated master schedules (IMS) and audits. First, each 
program manages to an IMS that is a risk-informed schedule of events 
intended to describe the program's path through development, testing 
and fielding. A program's scheduler identifies current or future 
irregularities or deviations from the baseline schedule that must be 
investigated and addressed. Once understood, the impact of these 
deviations can be forecasted. Second, the Army Audit Agency (AAA) 
conducts numerous audits every year. Many of the AAA audits cover 
portions of the Acquisition process that includes requirement 
generation, acquisition, contracting, budget/finance, testing and 
sustainment. AAA provides an independent assessment of Department 
processes and identifies opportunities for improvement in their 
reports. As process reengineering opportunities arise, working groups 
are formed to identify courses of action.
                               __________
               Questions Submitted by Senator Joni Ernst
                               energetics
    41. Senator Ernst. Secretary Bush, what safety and handling 
regulations contribute most to extended timelines in development and 
deployment of energetics compounds?
    Secretary Bush. A significant hurdle to development is meeting 
Military Standard (MIL-STD) 882 System Safety Requirements and 
achieving an ``Improbable'' risk level of one in one million. 
Essentially, this means it can be assumed an occurrence of a mishap may 
not be experienced in the life of an item. The Energetic Material 
Qualification Board (EMQB) process is a long driver of developmental 
timelines as it can take upwards of 2 years to qualify a new 
propellant. Environmental regulations also impact the timelines for the 
development and deployment of energetics compounds.

    42. Senator Ernst. Secretary Bush, what revisions to these 
regulations would reduce those timelines consistent with a level of 
prudent risk?
    Secretary Bush. We do not believe revisions to safety and handling 
regulations are currently needed. The Army has the ability to accept a 
higher risk. This has been leveraged as necessary, but the goal for 
release of end items to U.S. Warfighters is an Improbable risk of one 
in one million. Regarding safety regulations, we would recommend that 
the DOD Explosives Safety Board (DDESB) dedicate support to key 
modernization efforts in the Industrial Base to facilitate discussions 
on waivers to requirements that significantly drive costs and 
schedules.

    43. Senator Ernst. Secretary Bush, how would the energetics 
enterprise benefit from Office of the Secretary of Defense coordination 
of prototyping, regulation, assessment, resourcing, and related 
responsibilities in developing energetics materials?
    Secretary Bush. OSD's efforts are best focused on the advocacy for 
energetics research and development within the Services, development of 
policy that supports innovation in energetics research and production, 
and resourcing energetics efforts at an appropriate level to ensure 
that the U.S. has the appropriate capabilities to defend the Nation. 
Decentralized efforts to identify and develop novel materials are 
necessary to ensure the diversity of thought needed to identify the 
best ideas and ensure focus on Service needs. OSD-level forums to share 
work within the Services and National Laboratories would also serve to 
align the broader community and facilitate collaboration.

    44. Senator Ernst. General Rainey, would you agree that advanced 
energetics like CL-20 can provide improved munition range, lethality, 
and size?
    General Rainey. It is true that the incorporation of advanced 
energetics such as CL-20 can provide improved range, lethality, and 
allow for Size, Weight, and Power (SWaP) tradeoffs advantageous to the 
design of more accurate and effective weapon systems. The weapon 
designer's challenge is to optimize the system as a whole vice only 
addressing energetic ingredients and formulations. Consideration must 
be given to system redesign, qualification, and inherent insensitivity 
required for safety of handling, supply vulnerabilities, and 
manufacturing. CL-20 based formulations in warheads can help U.S. 
forces in long range fires by enabling compact warheads that maintain 
the performance of larger payloads, providing SWaP space for enhanced 
propulsion. Investment in additional propulsion and dual-use 
technologies is required to achieve true weapon system overmatch. It 
has been calculated that CL-20 contains about 10 percent more explosive 
power than High Melting Explosives, or HMX, which has been the state-
of-the-art solid energetic fills. However, broad use of CL-20 has been 
significantly cost prohibitive to date and additional formulation work 
is required to make it more producible in large quantities. Joint 
efforts are ongoing to develop new synthesis routes for CL-20 that will 
reduce the cost. In the near term, however, CL-20 is likely better 
suited for integration into smaller sized weapon and munition system 
applications that can take full advantage of its properties.

    45. Senator Ernst. General Rainey, would advanced energetics like 
CL-20 help United States forces in long-range salvo exchanges against 
peer militaries?
    General Rainey. Salvos against a near peer adversary requires the 
U.S. to have a deep magazine of weapon systems to sustain an offensive, 
which in turn, necessitates increases in production capacity at 
affordable costs. Investments in advanced energetics like CL-20 can 
provide improvement to the capabilities of U.S. Forces in terms of 
long-range fires, but there must be corresponding developments in 
energetics synthesis for production as well as for the weapons systems 
holistically. Plans for `drop-in' replacement of existing energetic 
ingredients in current munitions may not provide sufficient performance 
improvement to justify the expected significant cost increases. 
Additionally, inclusion of more powerful energetics such as CL-20 will 
require modification of other formulations and overall system designs 
required to offset the increased sensitivity, which in turn will drive 
substantial changes to the handling, storage, and transportation of 
U.S. munitions. Determining utilization of highly advanced energetic 
materials will require upfront time and resources to develop models for 
performance and risk characterization, develop holistic formulations 
for production, and qualifymaterial enhancements in order to inform 
munition configurations and Service acquisition decisions to support 
salvo capability assessments.

    46. Senator Ernst. Secretary Bush, what weapon systems are most 
likely to receive enhanced performance and lethality from adoption of 
CL-20 energetics compound as the foundational energetics source?
    Secretary Bush. Despite the technical development and investment 
still required, opportunities for leveraging CL-20's high energy and 
sensitivity include small form factor weapon systems requiring higher 
performance warheads and some small minimum signature rocket motors. 
CL-20 based energetic formulations are effectively applied to weapons 
where Size, Weight & Power (SWaP) is a key consideration (i.e., 
precision munitions). The use of CL-20 enables equivalent range and 
lethality in smaller packages, enabling space for guidance, navigation, 
and control (GNC) technologies to increase delivery accuracy and 
precision. As demonstrated in Ukraine, the small form factor 
Switchblade drone system effectively utilizes a CL-20 explosive warhead 
where lethality vs weight constraint is critical.
    The development and incorporation of explosive ink formulations 
that leverage CL-20 to sustain detonation in advanced precision 
initiation systems have been shown to dramatically improve warhead 
performance. In addition, these unique initiation systems can enable 
tailorable and selectable effects warheads for versatile multipurpose 
munitions. EDF-11 is DOD qualified explosive ink for fuze safe-and-arm 
devices. Another opportunity for leveraging CL-20 is in Combined 
Effects Explosives (CEX) which are a unique category of Army 
formulations that provide both blast and metal driving performance.
    Current predictions for CL-20 are that it could provide roughly a 
10 percent increase in CEX performance over the current HMX based 
formulations for enhanced multi-purpose warheads. This is an example of 
a nearer term application of CL-20 for which the high cost is less 
restrictive to integrate the material within the system warhead design, 
and the benefit to a smaller munition lethality is significant. Broad 
utilization of CL-20 across larger weapon systems is currently limited 
by costs required to synthesize and manufacture this material, as well 
as the need to manage its high energetic sensitivity. This sensitivity 
increases operational risks to soldiers, increases risk of sympathetic 
detonation, and will drive additional logistics and transportation 
related considerations. Critical safety measures will need to be 
implemented as risk mitigation in integrated weapon systems design.
    The energetics research community needs increased support for 
improved predictive models to characterize new energetic materials and 
structures, without which the Department can experience higher test 
costs and risk acceptance for uncharacterized material conditions. 
Introduction of higher energy materials without improved 
characterization further increases this risk, while the potential 
performance benefits support the need for continued research in 
advanced energetics to overmatch competitor nations.



DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 
               2026 AND THE FUTURE YEARS DEFENSE PROGRAM

                       WEDNESDAY, APRIL 26, 2023

                      United States Senate,
                           Subcommittee on Airland,
                               Committee on Armed Services,
                                                    Washington, DC.

                        AIR FORCE MODERNIZATION

    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:26 p.m., in 
room 232A, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Senator Mark Kelly 
(Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
    Subcommittee Members present: Senators Kelly, Blumenthal, 
Peters, Duckworth, Cotton, Fischer, Ernst, Scott, and Mullin.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR MARK KELLY

    Senator Kelly. The hearing will come. Our witnesses today 
are here to discuss Air Force modernization. They are Hon. 
Andrew Hunter, the Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for 
Acquisition, Technology and Logistics, Lieutenant General James 
Slife, Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations, Lieutenant General 
Clinton Hinote, Deputy Chief of Staff for Strategy, Integration 
and Requirements, and Lieutenant General Richard Moore, Deputy 
Chief of Staff for Plans and Programs.
    I want to extend a warm welcome and thank each of our 
witnesses for coming before the Subcommittee today and look 
forward to hearing your testimony. Last week, this Subcommittee 
heard from Army witnesses about the challenges in the Army 
modernization portfolio.
    Today, as we finish our scheduled hearings before we markup 
the DOD [Department of Defense] authorization request, I look 
forward to hearing from our Air Force leaders about the 
challenges and the opportunities that we face in modernizing 
the Air Force. All budgets require careful tradeoffs, and we 
see that across the Air Force budget request.
    The question before us today is how well the Air Force 
strategy in this budget matches our national defense strategy 
and related modernization imperatives. I am especially 
interested in hearing from the witnesses how the Air Force 
plans to manage its multiple modernization programs in ways 
that deliver the capabilities that our warfighters need to 
defeat our most capable adversaries in a timely manner.
    We must do this while protecting our taxpayers' dollars and 
avoiding too much risk to meeting our combatant commanders' 
requirements. These should include the F-35 fighter, the B-21 
bomber, KC-46 tanker, also a new program to procure the so-
called Wedgetail aircraft to replace some of the E-3 AWACS 
[Airborne Warning and Control Systems] aircraft, and also the 
Advanced Battle Management System, or ABMS, which seeks to 
replace the J-8, or the E-8 JSTARS [Joint Surveillance and 
Target Attack Radar System] capability, and is the Air Force 
contribution to the Defense Department's joint all domain 
command and control program, JADC2.
    Prompt development and fielding of ABMS and JADC2 are all 
the more important as the Air Force plans to divest of the E-3 
and the E-8 JSTARS capabilities before we are able to field 
replacement capability. Two other areas I want to draw 
particular attention to are electronic warfare and combat 
search and rescue capabilities.
    The Air Force plans to replace the current fleet of 14 
Compass Call electronic aircraft with ten newer and more 
capable EC-37s. According to Air Force's plans, however, we 
only need six of these aircraft delivered by the end of the 
Future Years Defense Program (FYDP), and the Air Force must 
expedite the delivery of these critical assets, which gives us 
the ability to suppress enemy air defense through electronic 
warfare (EW), among other roles.
    We also need to fully understand the role that Compass Call 
and EW would play in a potential confrontation with near-peer 
competitors like Russia and China, and whether the ten planned 
aircraft will be sufficient, or is it going to be necessary to 
expand that fleet as we continue to see the PRC [People's 
Republic of China] investing in their own EW capabilities.
    Also, I want to emphasize the importance of modernizing and 
ensuring a robust combat search and rescue (CSAR) fleet of 
aircraft. This is a capability that makes a difference, 
literally the difference between life and death for downed 
pilots, troops, and civilians in dire situations.
    As the 563d Rescue Group at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in 
Tucson says, they are in the business of making sure someone's 
worst day isn't their last day. The Air Force's plan to 
truncate the HH-60 Whiskey program after fiscal year 2023 would 
leave the Air Force roughly 25 percent short of its original 
plan to modernize the CSAR Fleet.
    So, we need to hear how this reduction in the inventories, 
you know, for these forces are going to affect the Air Force's 
ability to conduct CSAR operations in future conflicts, 
including how it might be impacted by new airframes like Armed 
Overwatch. The Air Force has been particularly aggressive in 
implementing accelerated acquisition authorities, including for 
major defense acquisition programs.
    Notably, the Air Force began the B-52 re-engineering 
program under accelerated authorities but has agreed to shift 
that program back to the normal acquisition process at the next 
acquisition milestone review.
    Congress has given DOD these new authorities but will 
continue to oversee acquisition activities to ensure that the 
Defense Department uses its authorities appropriately. We need 
to ensure that these investments yield the capabilities our 
Nation needs to compete in any future conflicts, such as with 
hypersonic missiles, the next generation air dominance program, 
and others.
    We can't ignore needs to recapitalize other existing 
capabilities that give our forces a competitive edge, such as 
our tanker forces and the fighter squadrons in our Air Guard 
and Reserve components that represent more than a third of the 
Air Force's combat power.
    We will also take into account lower visibility, but high 
importance capabilities like the investments we need to ensure 
we have adequate training ranges for our fifth-generation 
fighters and forthcoming next generation systems.
    These issues are a personal priority and I look forward to 
working with the Air Force on the way forward. Our witnesses 
this afternoon face huge challenges as they strive to balance 
the need to support ongoing operations and sustain readiness 
with the need to modernize and keep the technological edge over 
our adversaries that is so critical to successful military 
operations.
    Specifically, our Air Force will bear a large share of the 
burden of implementing the National Defense Strategy. Perhaps 
that is part of the reason behind the Air Force's request of a 
$12.4 billion budget increase this year--in this year's budget. 
There is no ignoring the fact that strategic competition with 
increasingly capable adversaries is a primary U.S. national 
security concern.
    We need to look no further than the war in Ukraine to see 
that the world remains a dangerous place with actors who do not 
always act rationally. While Russia may have showcased its 
limitations, we must ensure our readiness to meet challenges 
that a more capable force could present in the future.
    There are a number of other issues that we need to discuss, 
but in the interest of time, I am going to stop here and 
followup during our discussion. Again, I thank our witnesses 
for their service and for appearing before the Subcommittee. I 
will now recognize our Ranking Member, Senator Cotton, for his 
opening comments.

                STATEMENT OF SENATOR TOM COTTON

    Senator Cotton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and gentlemen, 
welcome. Thank you for your appearance here this afternoon. I 
am pleased to see that the Air Force has requested 72 tactical 
fighter aircraft for fiscal year 2024 and each fiscal year for 
the next 5 years.
    Despite repeated underfunding by the current 
administration, this is a good first step toward repairing and 
modernizing our hollowed-out Air Force. But I am afraid it is 
the bare minimum our military actually needs as we try to deter 
a potential conflict with China. Our Air force, unfortunately, 
has been characterized by shrinking inventories and an aging 
fleet since the end of the cold war.
    We should be producing F-35s at full rate production, 
ramping up F-15EX production, and proceeding quickly to the 
development of the E-7 aircraft. This is a matter of life and 
death for many of our Nation's airmen and perhaps one day for 
our Nation itself.
    I look forward to hearing your plans to get all of these 
essential programs to where we need them to be despite the 
fiscal constraints you face.
    Second, I would also like to understand how you are 
maintaining the lethality of the Air Force while we wait to 
field F-35s with Block 4 upgrades, along with the Next 
Generation Air Dominance Aircraft, Advanced Battle Management 
System, and collaborative combat aircraft.
    I am concerned that while we are developing capabilities 
for the far future, we are not making enough near-term upgrades 
to aircraft that are currently in service and that will be in 
service for decades to come, like the F-16 and our fielded 
bomber fleet.
    We are dangerously neglecting the upgrades that we need to 
fight tonight, as the saying goes. I am also not confident that 
we are prioritizing munitions production for the near or the 
long-term fight.
    Finally, the Air Force is already in danger of becoming 
overextended in a period of peacetime. I would like to know how 
you are planning to overcome existing gaps in capacity, while 
preparing to deter China and Russia without exhausting 
personnel and equipment.
    I look forward to hearing what you have to say on these 
topics and others. Thank you again for your appearance.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you. Senator Cotton. I will now 
recognize our witnesses for some opening remarks. Secretary 
Hunter.

    STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE ANDREW P. HUNTER, ASSISTANT 
  SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE FOR ACQUISITION, TECHNOLOGY AND 
                           LOGISTICS

    Mr. Hunter. Well, thank you very much, Chairman Kelly, and 
Ranking Member Cotton, and Members of the Subcommittee for 
having us here to provide testimony on our fiscal year 2024 
budget request.
    Our budget request very much reflects our attempt to align 
our programs and our resourcing and our decisionmaking with 
fulfilling the strategy, the national defense strategy. That 
was absolutely our cornerstone in the fiscal year 2024 budget 
process, and developing a threat informed future Air Force 
equipped to win high and fight.
    Last year, Secretary Kendall and General Brown outlined 
their seven operational imperatives that we must meet to 
succeed, and those operational imperatives absolutely drove 
everything in our fiscal year 2024 POM [Program Objective 
Memorandum] process.
    They were the combined work of the entire Air and Space 
Force teams, combining the best insights of our operators, our 
analysts, and operational analysis teams in our acquisition 
enterprise, working together to identify initiatives and 
priorities. As a result of this analysis and work, we have over 
$25 billion requested in fiscal year 2024 for OI related 
investments.
    So overall, our fiscal year 2024 request balances 
investment in critically needed new capability with the 
recapitalization and modernization of our existing platforms, 
as you both identified as a priority. I am going to highlight 
just a few key investments in my remarks, and my colleagues 
will touch on several of the other issues you have raised.
    Certainly, bomber modernization is a core of our investment 
portfolio. It is a critical year in fiscal year 2024, in our 
request for production of the B-21. We do have a substantial 
investment in the largest modernization of the B-52 fleet in 
the history of the fleet since it was first constructed and 
built. We are focused on the parts of our bomber force that are 
part of our enduring force.
    I do want to say on E-7, we are working to field E-7 as 
rapidly as possible, and we appreciate the support provided by 
this Committee as well as others with resources and with 
helping us with the reprograming request that allowed us to get 
started early on that program in fiscal year 2023.
    The ABMS program, part of our broader command Control 
Communications Battle Management, or C3BM Initiative, where we 
have established a new PEO [peace enforcement operation] to 
bring focus to that effort, is a huge priority and we have a 
substantial resource request for that in fiscal year 2024 
budget. We ask for your support.
    I think I will--if you would, be okay with you, sir, I will 
probably touch on C-37 perhaps as we get into Q&A [questions 
and answers]. In terms of our top modernization priorities, 
obviously the F-35 is a cornerstone of our future fighter 
fleet, and we fielded nearly 400 F-35As today. We are 
prioritizing fielding the Block 4 capabilities, as was 
mentioned, and affordability of sustainment is also critical.
    We are continuing to make positive progress on our F135 
engine module repairs with great work by the team at Tinker, 
and with support from the Congress with resources. We have 
significantly improved that item, which was degrading our 
mission capable rates quite a bit.
    We are establishing more realistic affordability targets 
which will allow us to better prioritize where we focus our 
resources to improve F-35 sustainment. While crude fighters 
remain the core of our U.S. Air Force combat power, as well--
along with bombers, a centerpiece of our fiscal year 2024 
budget is the Uncrewed Collaborative Combat Aircraft, which 
will provide new combat capabilities and bring cost effective 
capacity or affordable mass to our force.
    The CCA [Collaborative Combat Aircraft] is the single 
largest operational imperative investment in our budget 
request, and that is above where we were last year, with over 
$6 billion requested across the FYDP. In fiscal year 2024, we 
are investing more than $460 million to rapidly begin 
development of the first CCA platform, and to leverage our 
extensive work on autonomy that will underpin the CCA 
capability.
    We are establishing an operational experimentation unit to 
work with existing platforms and capable partner nations to 
prove out the concept of operations for CCA. As we modernize 
the bulk of our F-22 fleet, and transition from F-22 to NGAD 
[Next Generation Air Dominance], funds guarded from the 
divestment of the F-22 Block 20's are being reinvested in NGAD 
development across the FYDP, and the transition timeline is 
dependent on the progress of NGAD development efforts.
    The Air Force is ensuring cost control in NGAD by driving 
continuous competition for air vehicles, mission systems, 
software, and by mandating the use of a government-owned 
reference architecture.
    We are also changing the way we execute highly complex 
acquisition programs by taking a hands-on approach to digital 
engineering that accelerates prototyping, drives efficiencies 
in manufacturing, and reduces cost in operations and 
sustainment through the use of integrated digital environments 
for the design and management and sustainment of our systems.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Request funding for 
aircraft design, development, test, integration of advance 
mission systems, co-authored development of the government's 
Agile Mission System Suite, Open Architecture, and Rapid 
Software Development for the NGAD program.
    Due to the updated threat environment that was highlighted 
in both of the Chairman and Ranking Members opening statements, 
we have made the decision this year to modify our approach to 
tanker recapitalization, setting aside the three-phase approach 
that was envisioned in the early 2000's, in favor of 
prioritizing and accelerating the right capabilities to deliver 
fuel to the joint force.
    The next generation air refueling system, or NGAS, will be 
an accelerated advanced air refueling system that meets the 
future needs of the joint force and the anticipated future 
contested battlespace. We will actively consider clean sheet 
purpose-built designs for NGAS, potentially with aircraft 
delivered in increments as part of the family of systems that 
allows the Department of the Air Force to remain flexible and 
responsive to the ever-changing threat.
    The program is being designed to leverage continuous 
competition, which is critical to our approach to the program. 
We have begun preliminary work toward an NGAS analysis of 
alternatives that will be completed in fiscal year 2024, and 
inform NGAS requirements and development timelines, and 
delivery is expected to begin into the mid to late 2030's.
    That delivery timeline does mean that there will be a 
period beyond the current F--KC-46 contracted deliveries and 
the beginning of NGAS, and we are working through and have 
included funding to request a tanker recapitalization effort 
that will cover those years to ensure continuous delivery of 
modernized and new tanker capability. Our work with the 
operational imperatives as just begun.
    As we begin to implement the recommendations borne out of 
this work, we are continuing to examine other areas that are 
cross-cutting operational enablers, such as mobility, and. Mr. 
Chairman, to your point, also electronic warfare and EMSO, 
electronic manning spectrum operations.
    So, we want to remain in dialog with you on those 
requirements, those emerging requirements, as we continue that 
work. This work will leverage and complement our work on NGAS 
and the next generation air mobility study as well to identify 
priorities that enable our future operations.
    More than ever, it is critical the Department avoid the 
delays driven by a continuing resolution. The OIs include 
multiple new start programs that must begin as soon as 
possible. We cannot cede any more time on a critical moment in 
the Air Force's transition to the future fight, and we look 
forward to working with you on that.
    I want to close by asking your support for a legislative 
proposal that was recently transmitted by OMB to Congress that 
creates a new authority for the military services to respond to 
emergent technology advances and threats.
    This authority will accelerate our ability to respond 
rapidly to a changing security environment with effective 
congressional oversight, and I think is directly responsive to 
some of the concerns that the Committee has identified. I look 
forward to working with you and thank you again for your 
continued support.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Secretary Hunter. General Slife.

 STATEMENT OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL JAMES C. SLIFE, USAF, DEPUTY 
                 CHIEF OF STAFF FOR OPERATIONS

    Lieutenant General Slife. Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member 
Cotton, Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for inviting us 
here today to provide testimony on Air Force modernization in 
light of the budget request being considered by the 
Subcommittee, Secretary Kendall and General Brown have 
emphasized the need to make hard choices to modernize our Air 
Force.
    The Air Force's component of the Fiscal Year 2024 
Presidential Budget Request reflects a delicate balance between 
the requirements of the present and the modernization needed to 
ensure our sustained comparative advantage vis-a-vis our pacing 
challenges.
    Over the last half century, our Air Force has faced four 
strategic inflection points at which the strategic environment 
or the threat changed rapidly and we had to adapt from the Air 
Force we had to the Air Force we would need.
    The first of these was in 1973, at the end of the Vietnam 
War, and the accompanying need for modernization to face down 
the Warsaw Pact in Eastern Europe. The second was at the end of 
the cold war in 1991 and the rapid drawdown of the U.S. 
Military in response to a diminished global threat environment.
    The third was the attacks on our Homeland in 2001 and the 
need to adapt to the needs for sustained counter insurgency, 
counterterrorism, and counterviolence extremist operations. We 
are in 2023 at a fourth strategic inflection point, one which 
finds us facing unprecedented set of challenges.
    These challenges include disruptive technologies which 
don't fit neatly into our traditional views of armed conflict, 
a landscape in which our pacing challengers employ irregular 
warfare to counter our traditional strengths, the theft of our 
most sensitive intellectual, personal--intellectual property 
and personal data to be weaponized against us, and emerging 
domains of warfare which require new doctrines and capabilities 
to effectively leverage.
    Just like the prior three strategic inflection points of 
the past half century, the one at which we stand today requires 
disruptive and uncomfortable change. But as hard as change may 
be, losing would be substantially worse.
    We must change. The budget request being considered by the 
Congress represents positive change to address the security 
environment we now face. I look forward to collaborating with 
this Subcommittee as you work to discern a wise response to the 
budget request before you today.
    Thank you for your continued support and I stand ready to 
answer your questions.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General. General Hinote.

STATEMENT OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL S. CLINTON HINOTE, USAF, DEPUTY 
   CHIEF OF STAFF FOR STRATEGY, INTEGRATION, AND REQUIREMENTS

    Lieutenant General Hinote. Chairman Kelly, Ranking Member 
Cotton, and distinguished Members of the Subcommittee, thank 
you for inviting us here today to provide testimony on the Air 
Force's modernization efforts.
    I would also like to thank each of you for your continued 
leadership and dedication to our national security. I am not 
sure if the Subcommittee is aware, but I have five more duty 
days in a career that spanned 35 years.
    As you can imagine, that comes with many emotions. I feel 
honored and proud to have served, but I also feel this sense of 
urgency to push the changes that we need. I am thankful for the 
opportunity to discuss those changes with you at this important 
and timely hearing.
    So, I just returned from the Air Force Academy, where I met 
with the future leaders of our Air and Space Forces. I know 
each of you has sent the best from your states to the 
academies, and I could not be more impressed with the quality 
of the young leaders getting ready to enter our Force. As I 
spoke with them, I was reminded of why we do what we do.
    Our mission at Air Force Futures is to be the voice of 
tomorrow's airmen, to advocate for the capabilities and 
concepts the next generation of leaders will need to be 
successful. To do that, our Force will have to change, and 
change is hard.
    During my career, I have served in the Pentagon under three 
very different administrations. Despite their differences, I 
found it remarkable that they arrived at three common 
conclusions.
    First, China is the primary challenge. Second, we want to 
deter, and you deter by being ready to fight and win. Third, 
for too long, we have privileged current risk at the expense of 
future risk. That last part is important. Sometimes we think of 
the future risk as some sort of theoretical concept.
    What it really means is that we are not handing off an Air 
force that wins to the next generation. I am not okay with 
that, and I know you aren't either. This budget helps us get to 
the change that we need. It is not perfect. No budget is.
    But due to the leadership of Secretary Kendall and General 
Brown, we are seeing real progress in our operational 
imperatives and Force Design. It is not just about increasing 
capacity and divesting platforms that won't survive if we have 
to fight.
    There is real and transformational change in this budget. 
We are shifting major resources to the new capabilities that 
will be new used in new ways. For years, we have needed a 
change-oriented budget. This is it. Thank you for the 
invitation and I look forward to answering your questions.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General, and General Moore.

 STATEMENT OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL RICHARD G. MOORE, JR., USAF, 
          DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR PLANS AND PROGRAMS

    Lieutenant General Moore. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman 
Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, and distinguished Members of the 
Subcommittee, I echo the thanks of my colleagues and appreciate 
the opportunity to testify on this year's Defense authorization 
request for fiscal year 2024, as well as the accompanying 
Future Years Defense Program.
    For over 70 years, we have provided air superiority to 
American Joint Forces, and our allies and partners, and they 
have rightly come to depend on it. Together, we survived and 
won the cold war and we fought the war on terror. But times are 
changing. While our attention was focused elsewhere, China was 
watching and learning.
    Today, we are in the midst of an important transition from 
a legacy force built for counterinsurgency warfare to one built 
to deter Chinese aggression and to win against any peer 
competitor. As you heard from my colleagues, there is still 
much to do as we continue to posture force for future conflict.
    What they have described is possible, but time is not on 
our side and we need your help. Fiscal year 2024 presents 
another opportunity for the Department of the Air Force and the 
Congress to work together so that we can remain the world's 
preeminent power projection force.
    Through the lens of the Department's seven operational 
imperatives, we aligned our funding request to build a force 
that will give our adversaries serious pause. The fiscal year 
2024 budget request is a strong example of the significant 
progress we are making toward closing key capability gaps, but 
the hard choices are not behind us.
    Today, and through this budget cycle, we ask for your 
continued support as we seek to move away from several legacy 
platforms. In the fiscal year 2024 budget, you will see that we 
are once again requesting to divest our oldest F-22s, the Block 
20's, which are not combat representative and never will be.
    We proposed divesting our aging T-1 fleet as we move toward 
new and advanced undergraduate pilot training programs, and 
thanks to the support from Congress, we continue to progress on 
our A-10 and F-15C divestment and transition plans.
    Legacy platforms such as these have served us well, but we 
must be disciplined in our decisions and focus our investments 
on what we need most. Our most valuable resources, manpower, 
money, and time, remain limited.
    We cannot afford to stop short of achieving the force our 
Nation needs. Looking critically at ways to reduce our excess 
infrastructure to free people and resources for higher priority 
mission remains a focus of the Air Force.
    The resources, at least as importantly, manpower, freed in 
these endeavors will directly contribute to bringing--to 
helping us realize our operational imperatives and to deterring 
aggression.
    This, however, will take time, and as I have said, time is 
not on our side. American lives and those of our allies and 
partners rely on our ability to deliver air superiority, and we 
cannot fail in this endeavor.
    Finally, I cannot emphasize enough the importance of an on-
time budget. This is critical to keep modernization efforts on 
track and further discouraging our adversaries. Time wasted 
during a CR costs us a modernized future force.
    We must act now to modernize in advance our capabilities, 
and we look forward to once again working with Congress to 
shape a lethal force that efficiently and affordably provides 
the most capable air power for our Nation.
    I am honored to sit here with Honorable Hunter, General 
Hinote, and General Slife, and together, we look forward to 
answering your questions.
    [The joint prepared statement by The Honorable Andrew P. 
Hunter, Lieutenant General S. Clinton Hinote, Lieutenant 
General Richard G. Moore Jr., Lieutenant General James C. 
Slife, follows:]

Joint Prepared Statement by The Honorable Andrew P. Hunter, Lieutenant 
 General S. Clinton Hinote, USAF, Lieutenant General Richard G. Moore 
           Jr., USAF, Lieutenant General James C. Slife, USAF
                              introduction
    Chair Kelly, Ranking Member Cotton, and distinguished Members of 
the Subcommittee, thank you for having us here today to provide 
testimony on the Department of the Air Force's Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget (PB) request for Air Force modernization.
    The United States Air Force is critical to our national defense. 
Our capabilities underwrite the entirety of the Joint Force. This is 
particularly true of the capabilities that are the purview of this 
Subcommittee and that we will discuss today.
    The Department of the Air Force's fiscal year 2024 President's 
Budget Request is guided by the seven operational imperatives we must 
meet to win in the future fight which Secretary Kendall and General 
Brown outlined last year. Our budget request reflects our commitment to 
developing a threat-informed, concept-driven future Air Force. We have 
made significant progress in identifying the capabilities the Air Force 
will need to develop and field to prevail against our adversaries.
    The Air Force is grateful for congressional support in fiscal year 
2023, which allowed us to continue our pursuit of the critical 
warfighting capabilities needed to deter our adversaries and, if 
needed, prevail in combat. As we continue to modernize or recapitalize 
our force, we are eager for continued collaboration with Congress, 
industry, and the communities that support our Air Bases to ensure our 
Nation's security.
                       air force the nation needs
Global Force Management
    The shift from 20 years of counterinsurgency operations in a 
permissive environment to strategic competition in a contested 
environment requires a cultural shift in how the Air Force organizes, 
trains, and equips its forces. Years of low-intensity conflict resulted 
in expeditionary taskings that came at the expense of long-term 
preparedness for major combat operations. The shift to strategic 
competition requires the Air Force to restore long-term sustainable 
readiness, modernizing our force structure, and mature warfighting 
concepts to posture the Air Force as a combat-credible and ready force 
to meet the demands of great power competition.
    As we transition to the force the Nation needs, continued 
operational demand for Air Force capabilities combined with the 
National Defense Strategy (NDS) modernization priorities are driving 
difficult resource tradeoffs. To be ready and relevant for the 
strategic environment, we will transform the force, train the force, 
and retain the force all with the goal of achieving a task-organized 
combat power to achieve the NDS demands. We will balance the risk and 
demands of the current environment with the need to arrive in the 
future with the capacity and capability we require. It is essential to 
modernize and eliminate costly and less-capable legacy systems. These 
actions will lower operating costs, improve availability, and provide 
essential capabilities to present a combat-credible and ready force to 
meet the demands of great power competition.
Readiness
    Our readiness posture has been flat for over 3 years, and 
indicators suggest it will trend lower in the future as we continue to 
invest in overdue modernization. This condition represents the 
confluence of over 30 years of compounding issues. Continuous 
contingency deployments, delayed modernization, and personnel cuts have 
left the Air Force at a readiness deficit. This deficit cannot be 
recovered overnight and must continue to be balanced against the 
priority to modernize the force for the pacing challenge.
    Building back readiness will take time and requires continued 
congressional support to make tough choices, including divestment of 
less relevant systems to maximize our resources for the Nation's 
defense. Modernization efforts will yield greater capability, but will 
also require investment in manpower, the sustainment enterprise, 
training infrastructure, and a healthy flying hour program. These 
investments will enable a force that is ready and capable of employing 
and winning with the advanced capabilities we are acquiring.
    Limitations in physical airspace, advances in blue capabilities and 
tactics, challenges in developing realistic threat replication, and 
live-fly OPSEC concerns drive high-end advanced training to a virtual 
environment. Supplemental synthetic training allows the warfighter to 
train to fight in a secure, multi-level security environment providing 
relevant and realistic integrated training interactions for all 
aviators. The Joint Simulation Environment (JSE), developed by the USN 
and USAF, is the synthetic backbone integrating into the Virtual Test & 
Training Center, shifting focus of electronic warfare and high-end 
training and test to the synthetic environment.
    In the live domain, our range priority remains our two largest 
ranges: the Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR) and the Joint 
Pacific-Alaska Range Complex (JPARC). We will modernize NTTR and JPARC 
to enable warfighters to train for the peer fight in an all-domain 
contested environment against relevant and realistic threats. These 
ranges will contain training assets that can be continually upgraded at 
the pace of our adversaries. With current and programmed funding, NTTR 
and JPARC are projected to complete this modernization by fiscal year 
2030. Additionally, by fiscal year 2032, we will upgrade six additional 
Primary Training Ranges to replicate the environment of an adversary 
that uses legacy aircraft and threat systems.
    The Air Force is procuring the US Navy's Tactical Combat Training 
System II (TCTS-II)/P6 Combat Training System (CTS) to modernize our 
current P5 CTS capability. The TCTSII/P6 provides an ability to share 
encrypted data for training, allowing 4th, 5th, and Next Generation 
platforms to integrate in a way not currently achievable. The Air 
Force's version, P6, will offer fighter pilots real-time, enhanced 
assessments of training exercises, which will allow instructors to 
focus on learning points and maximize time for debrief.
Rated Force Management
    The Air Force remains focused on improving overall pilot inventory 
and is committed to meeting the needs of both its airmen and the Air 
Force through continuous improvements to production, absorption, and 
retention of our Total Force pilots. In fiscal year 2022, the Total 
Force manned pilot shortfall increased leaving the Total Force short 
81,900 manned pilots. Most critical pilot shortages are in the Fighter 
and Bomber communities. The fiscal year 2022 Undergraduate Pilot 
Training (UPT) production decreased from fiscal year 2021 production 
and remained below the required 1,500 pilots per year. T-38 engine 
shortages, T-6, and T-38 CAD/PAD (ejection seat) inspection, and low 
Civilian Simulator Instructor influenced the decreased production.
    It will take 10 years of producing to the Company Grade Officers 
(CGO) requirement to right-size the force while retaining Field Grade 
Officers (FGO) to right-shape the force of the future. To close the 
gap, we need to improve CGO manning through increased production 
capacity and training innovation, coupled with increasing retention to 
address pending FGO shortfalls due to past year-group underproduction. 
To that end, efforts to close the gap include redesigning training 
programs, improving simulator instructor manning, and integrating 
technology, all with the goal of creating a healthy aircrew ecosystem.
    The Air Force is employing a four-part strategy to improve the 
pilot inventory by increasing production plant capacity to align with 
requirements (size of the force), reducing risk within the production 
plant, maximizing retention to meet FGO requirements and mitigate 
previous underproduction (shape of the force), ensuring production & 
retention efforts deliver right size/shape of the pilot force (closed 
system).
    AETC has several pilot training transformation initiatives to 
improve the quantity and quality of pilots produced. Initiatives 
include Accelerated Path to Wings, Helicopter Next, Civil Path to 
Wings, Air Mobility Fundamentals-Sim, Fighter/Bomber Fundamentals, 
Remote Sim Instruction. UPT now incorporates a spectrum of training 
devices, leading to more productive time airborne. The Air Force offers 
several incentives to recruit and retain including Direct Hire 
Authority, Recruitment, Relocation and Retention incentives, Special 
Salary Rates, Student Loan Repayment, Permanent Change of Station (PCS) 
assistance, and Training and Development Programs.
Air Force Force Generation
    In November 2019, the Air Force began efforts to revise the USAF 
force generation model to more effectively present and subsequently 
report readiness of forces and capabilities to support the National 
Defense and National Security Strategies. The Air Force Force 
Generation (AFFORGEN) model replaces the Air Expeditionary Force 
construct with four, 6-month phases of readiness. The cycle includes: 
``available to commit'' (a unit is deployed or ready to deploy at a 
moment's notice), ``reset'' (airmen focus on family and individual 
training), ``prepare'' (unit preparation for a possible future 
deployment), and certify (focus on high-end, more intense, multi-unit 
training).
    AFFORGEN will provide more predictability enabling airmen to train 
and deploy as a team. AFFORGEN is the Air Force's sustainable, 
capacity-driven model for presenting forces to the Joint Force. 
AFFORGEN allows the Air Force to clearly articulate the service's 
finite capacity and sustainable force offering to our consumers. By 
focusing on a capabilities-based sustainable force offering, our 
service can better manage the balance between generating ready forces 
and their consumption in support of global operations. The Air Force 
will review and iteratively update the AFFORGEN model to facilitate 
better readiness and performance in the high-end fight.
Agile Combat Employment
    Changes to the modern operational environment and rapid 
technological improvements require the Air Force to adjust its scheme 
of maneuver. Our response to these challenges is to continue to refine 
the Agile Combat Employment (ACE) concept. ACE is the ability to 
quickly disperse and cluster tailorable force packages to a cooperative 
security location and conduct operations across all domains, while 
maintaining operational flexibility and increasing resiliency. The 
operational unpredictability of ACE will present our adversaries with 
multiple dilemmas and targeting challenges during both day-to-day 
competition and potential future conflict. ACE requires a change in how 
the Air Force thinks about and conducts operations within the modern 
environment.
    Agile Combat Employment (ACE) disperses operations from large bases 
to smaller networks of locations to create dilemmas for the adversary's 
targeting process. We are working on establishing enterprise-level 
requirements for training and certifying ACE-capable force packages. We 
are making construction investments in the European and Pacific 
theaters to support this concept's development. DAF efforts with 
resilient basing, sustainment, and communications set conditions to 
achieve the Joint Warfighting Concept scheme of maneuver. DAF must 
invest in additional capabilities and formalize training programs to 
field an agile force that sets the theater and establishes distributed 
command and control.
                    current capacity and capability
    In line with the 2022 National Defense Strategy (NDS) guidance on 
future force design, the Air Force seeks to invest in technologies and 
field systems that are both lethal and survivable against tomorrow's 
threats. Our greatest weapon system is the more than 333,000 airmen and 
guardians who proudly wear our uniforms. A critical need in 
transitioning to the high-end fight is assigning experienced pilots, 
maintainers, munitions specialists and support personnel to receive and 
operate the new platforms as they arrive at our bases. Ultimately, this 
means transitioning away from many legacy capabilities to free up 
manpower and resources to modernize and field more capable systems. We 
must modernize to address the emerging threat, which requires pivoting 
resources from our legacy platforms and weapons systems that are 
decreasing in relevance. If deterrence fails, our airmen must have the 
training, tools, platforms, and operating systems required to win.
Bomber Force Structure
    Our budget request supports the NDS call for continued 
modernization of the nuclear triad, to ensure a safe, secure, and 
effective nuclear deterrent to backstop our integrated deterrence 
approach. Air Force bombers anchor the air leg of the Nation's Nuclear 
Triad. They are also the essential element of the Nation's capability 
for conventional long-range strike, as well as the only strategic 
bomber among all U.S. Allies and partners, a key national security 
priority. As a unique national security capability, the B-21 represents 
the future of this bomber force along both dimensions. As modernization 
continues, the Air Force will gradually transition the current three-
bomber fleet to a two-bomber fleet of next-generation B-21s and 
modernized B-52s to provide nuclear and conventional global strike 
options for decades to come.
  B-21
    The B-21 Raider will form the backbone of our future bomber force 
and is the centerpiece of the Secretary of the Air Force's sixth 
Operational Imperative. The B-21 underscores our national security as 
the most flexible leg of the Nuclear Triad and supports Combatant 
Commanders across the range of military objectives as both a nuclear 
and conventional bomber. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget 
Request includes $2.985 billion in Research, Development, Test & 
Evaluation (RDT&E) funding that continues to fund Engineering and 
Manufacturing Development. Additionally, the Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget Request includes modernization activities focused on 
nuclear certification, Long Range Standoff (LRSO) weapon integration 
and other activities. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Request 
also includes $2.332 billion in procurement funding to continue support 
to the program's transition toward low rate initial production. All EMD 
test aircraft are in various stages of assembly on the production line, 
which uses the same tooling processes and technicians who will build 
the production aircraft. The first B-21, unveiled in December 2022, was 
successfully powered-on and initial system tests of the aircraft are 
being conducted in preparation for first flight. The Air Force, in 
partnership with industry, has invested heavily in software integration 
labs, a flying test bed, digital tools and other risk reduction efforts 
to shift discovery early on in the program and will accelerate issue 
resolution as the program enters the flight test phase. First flight 
will be informed by events and data, and we anticipate it will occur in 
2023.
    In parallel, beddown preparations at Ellsworth Air Force Base 
(AFB), South Dakota, remain on-track. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's 
Budget Requests $395 million to support one follow-on increment and two 
new military construction projects at Ellsworth AFB, and initiate 
planning and design for MILCON projects at Dyess AFB, Texas and 
Whiteman AFB, Missouri in support of beddown activities. The first B-
21s are projected to arrive at Ellsworth AFB in the mid-2020's with 
base infrastructure ready to support. A second Environmental Impact 
Study continues with an estimated completion in fiscal year 2024 to 
assess the final two basing locations.
    The Air Force is committed and on track with respect to its key 
performance parameter of building B-21s with an average procurement 
unit cost of no more than $550 million (Base Year 2010) / $692 million 
(Base Year 2022), assuming a minimum fleet of 100 aircraft.
  B-52
    While the last B-52 Stratofortress entered service in the Air Force 
in 1962, we expect to continue operating the B-52 beyond 2050. We will 
continue to invest in modernization programs to keep the platform 
operationally relevant. Major modernization efforts include the 
Commercial Engine Replacement Program (CERP), the Radar Modernization 
Program (RMP), integration of LRSO nuclear air-launched cruise missile, 
and installation of Advanced Extremely High Frequency (AEHF) secured 
satellite communication capabilities.
    The Air Force's number one priority for the B-52 is to ensure 
platform viability through 2050 and the CERP enables us to achieve this 
goal. CERP will replace legacy engines (TF33-PW-103) with new military-
derivative commercial Rolls Royce F-130 engines. It is important to 
note that CERP is more complex than just a standard commercial engine 
refit. CERP includes new engines, flight systems, and cockpit throttles 
and displays. In September 2023, the CERP program will seek a Milestone 
B decision, which will authorize the program to enter the Engineering 
and Manufacturing Development phase and set the acquisition program 
baseline.
    The RMP is also necessary to ensure viability through 2050 and 
modernize the current Strategic Radar (AN/APQ-166), which is based on 
1960's technology modified in the 1980's. In 2024, the RMP will began 
aircraft modifications to support development testing and a Milestone C 
decision. Overall, the RMP program will upgrade all 76 B-52 aircraft 
with new radar systems to perform mission-essential navigation and 
weather avoidance functions.
    Finally, integration of the LRSO weapon and AEHF terminals will 
bolster the B-52's role in the airborne leg of the Nuclear Triad. AEHF 
integration is on-track for an early fiscal year 2024 Milestone B 
decision, which will establish the program's baseline supporting secure 
nuclear communications on the B-52 platform.
  B-1
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President' Budget Request focuses resources on 
sustaining and modernizing the remaining combat-coded B-1s, after 
retirement of 17 B-1s as authorized in fiscal year 2021. We will ensure 
the B-1s remain lethal and viable until B-21s are operational in 
sufficient numbers.
    The B-1 is the Air Force's threshold platform for the Long Range 
Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM). Integration of this weapon, coupled with the 
B-1's long range, high speed, and large payload capacity, postures the 
B-1 for an important role in any conflict in the Indo-Pacific region.
    Last, the B-1 will serve as a test platform for hypersonic weapons 
through additional congressional funding in fiscal year 2022 and fiscal 
year 2023.
  B-2
    In fiscal year 2024, the Air Force will continue work to ensure the 
B-2 remains effective until the B-21 is operational. The Air Force has 
de-scoped the Defensive Management System modernization program because 
delays in the effort would have limited the operational utility of the 
system by the time it would have fielded. Instead, we are replacing the 
B-2's unsustainable cathode ray tube displays with modern sustainable 
displays as part of the B-2 Displays Modernization program.
    In fiscal year 2024, we are continuing B-2 modernization programs 
including Adaptive Communication Suite upgrades, enhancement of the 
Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system, integration of hardware 
upgrades for employment of the B61-12 nuclear weapon, software upgrades 
to allow the B-2 to carry the extended range variant of the Joint Air-
to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM-ER), and the Radar Aided Targeting 
System (RATS) software upgrade to improve the navigational handoff to 
the B61-12 nuclear weapon in a GPS-degraded environment. Finally, the 
B-2 will continue sustainment efforts for the Low Observable Signature 
and Supportability Modification effort to improve aircraft 
maintainability and availability and ensure the aircrew and maintenance 
training systems remain aligned with the aircraft.
Fighter Force Structure
    The Air Force must continue to evolve its fighter force to meet the 
pacing challenge posed by China and the acute threat posed by Russia 
and ensure the capability and capacity to meet worldwide demands today. 
Extensive wargaming and analysis show that TACAIR modernization is 
critical to provide the Joint Force with the capability and capacity 
needed to deter and prevail against future aggression. The threat will 
not allow the Air Force to pause in place. We have critical investments 
across the 4th, 5th, and 6th generation fleet to meet the pacing 
challenge.
    In realistic budget projections, we must balance the need for high 
end technology with affordable capacity. To attain a fighter fleet that 
matches capability and capacity of platforms and weapons to mission 
requirements, the Air Force is transitioning our fighter fleet from 
seven platforms (F-35, F-22, F-16, F-15EX, F-15E, F-15C, A-10) to four 
platforms (NGAD, F-35, F-15EX, F-16). Next Generation Air Dominance 
(NGAD) & F-35 Block 4 are required to address the most challenging 
missions assigned to the fighter force
    On the path to achieving the desired future fighter fleet, the 
Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget procures 72 fighter aircraft in 
fiscal year 2024, the largest single year fighter procurement since 
1991. Divestment of legacy systems is critical to building a relevant 
future force capable of addressing the Department's pacing challenge. 
Resourcing those future capabilities and modernizing our remaining 
force demands both money and manpower currently tied up in our legacy 
systems and platforms. To transition fighter resources to a modernized, 
lethal force, the fiscal year 2024 budget proposes a net change of 
minus 89 fighter aircraft in fiscal year 2024, and a total FYDP net 
change of minus 425 fighter aircraft.
  Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD)
    The NGAD Family of Systems is vital for securing air superiority 
for the U.S. Air Force. The NGAD Family of Systems will replace the F-
22 in the Air Force Future Fighter Force Structure. Funds garnered from 
the divestment of F-22 Block-20's have been reinvested in NGAD 
development across the FYDP. The transition timeline from F-22 to NGAD 
is dependent on the progress of NGAD development efforts. The NGAD 
Family of Systems consists of the NGAD crewed platform, uncrewed 
Collaborative Combat Aircraft, the Agile Mission Suite open 
architecture, and advanced mission systems. Analyses, development, and 
prototyping within the NGAD program leads to enhancements in 
survivability, lethality, persistence, and interoperability. The NGAD 
crewed fighter platform enables counter-air missions in highly 
contested environments, thwarting advances in enemy anti-access 
capabilities, and allowing the joint force to seize and exploit the 
initiative. This new fighter will field novel technologies that could 
change the way we fight but, more importantly, it will have the ability 
to rapidly adapt to emerging technologies and threats to keep pace with 
our adversaries. The Air Force ensures cost control on NGAD by driving 
continuous competition for air vehicles, mission systems, software, and 
by mandating the use of a government-owned reference architecture. We 
are also changing the way we execute highly complex acquisition 
programs by taking a hands-on approach to digital engineering that 
accelerates prototyping, drives efficiencies in manufacturing, and 
reduces costs in operations and sustainment. The Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget requests $1.93 billion in fiscal year 2024 to fund 
aircraft design, development, test, and integration of advanced mission 
systems, cooperative development of the government's Agile Mission 
Suite open architecture, and rapid software development to enable 
cutting-edge electronic warfare and communications techniques.
  Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA)
    While the NGAD crewed fighter will give us an exquisite edge, it 
will be unaffordable to purchase these in sufficient quantities to 
provide the necessary mass on a threat-relevant timeline. CCA provide 
affordable and capable mass by teaming with the NGAD crewed platform as 
well as numerous other current and future generation platforms across 
the joint force. CCA development unites the parallel disciplines of 
autonomy and low-cost air vehicle construction previously funded under 
Air Force Research Laboratory's (AFRL) Skyborg Vanguard program. We 
have learned a great deal through analysis and experimentation in the 
Skyborg program, and in our ongoing concept refinement studies. The 
Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests $392 million for 
competitive concept refinement, design, and development of a first-
generation CCA. Additionally, we request $119 million to fund 
supporting activities that will accelerate platform-agnostic autonomy 
development, and explore the optimal operations, maintenance, and 
sustainment concepts for these novel platforms. Our extensive analyses 
show that CCA are a force multiplier that will allow us to achieve air 
superiority affordably and at scale. Continued investment in the NGAD 
Family of Systems will ensure our ability to secure the air against 
proliferating threats to support future joint operations anytime, 
anywhere.
  F-35
    The F-35 is the cornerstone of our future fighter fleet and we have 
fielded nearly 400 F-35As to date. In the near-term, we must 
concentrate on achieving the F-35 capability needed for advanced 
threats. While the F-35 is a formidable platform today, the Air Force 
must confront key development, interoperability, sustainability, and 
affordability challenges to acquire, upgrade, and retrofit the F-35A 
fleet to obtain the minimum required capability and capacity as quickly 
as possible within projected resource constraints. First flight in a 
Technical Refresh-3 (TR-3) configuration occurred earlier this year and 
is the foundation for Block 4. Block 4 modernization with TR-3 hardware 
ensures F-35 relevance in the high-end fight against China or Russia in 
2025 and beyond.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests 48 F-35A aircraft, 
an increase of five aircraft from the fiscal year 2023 enacted 
position. The Air Force is prioritizing investments in the F-35 fleet, 
seeking modernization, infrastructure, and advanced weapons in this 
budget request. Commitments include $6.0 billion in procurement, $1.3 
billion in development and $2.3 billion to fund necessary sustainment. 
This increased investment ensures maximum future viability of the 
fleet. Propulsion and cooling development investments contained in the 
Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request will help ensure capability 
enhancements will continue to be viable for the platform while also 
reducing lifetime sustainment costs. In addition, the fiscal year 2024 
President's Budget funds progress toward on-time nuclear operational 
certification of the F-35, which will ensure the continued credibility 
of our extended deterrence commitments to our NATO and Indo-Pacific 
allies.
    The Air Force continues to make progress in addressing readiness 
challenges with the F-35A and stand-up depot capacity to improve future 
sustainment. We are recovering from the F-135 MICAP issue with today 
only five aircraft awaiting engines, power modules, or fan modules. The 
two largest sustainment cost drivers the Air Force controls are the 
number of aircraft possessed and programmed flying hours, and the major 
cost categories are parts, people, energy, and consumables. We are 
establishing more realistic affordability targets which will allow us 
to better prioritize Air Force resources. The Air Force is continuing 
work with the F-35 Joint Program Office, Navy, and industry to identify 
and evaluate opportunities to increase depot repair capacity and 
further reduce the cost of materiel and manpower.
    The Air Force is committed to reducing F-35 costs for both 
production and sustainment as well as improving mission readiness. 
Additionally, the F-35 program is moving toward a supply chain, demand 
reduction Performance Based Logistics (PBL) contract at the end of 2023 
to prioritize availability and affordability outcomes across the F-35 
enterprise. In response to the Fiscal Year 2022 NDAA Section 142, the 
Air Force is working with OSD, the Department of Navy, and the F-35 
Joint Program Office (JPO) to assume greater management, planning and 
execution roles of the F-35 sustainment functions to further reduce 
sustainment costs.
  Advanced Engine Development
    The Air Force is working with the JPO to implement the F-35 
enterprise decision to move forward with the F135 Engine Core Upgrade 
and accompanying Power and Thermal Management System upgrade. While 
Operational Analysis determined that the AETP three stream adaptive 
cycle engines provide substantial F-35A operational performance 
advantages, the JPO-led BCA determined that the F135 Engine Core 
Upgrade will restore engine life and prevent degradation for all three 
F-35 variants and partner nations at the lowest cost. Data from testing 
of the AETP prototype adaptive cycle engines is informing design 
activities for the Next Generation Adaptive Propulsion (NGAP) program 
as are the validated advanced engine technologies. NGAP engines 
leverage the AETP technology suite and deliver capability enabling 
propulsion options for the most highly contested environments. 
Competitive NGAP prototyping, funded in this budget request, preserves 
key advanced engine design and manufacturing skills required to 
maintain U.S. strategic advantages in propulsion over competitors.
  F-15
    Our F-15C fleet is aging, with two-thirds of the fleet past its 
designed service life. The 179 F-15C/Ds in the Air Force inventory will 
reach the end of their design service life in the next five to 7 years, 
and our analysis shows additional service life extension programs are 
not cost effective. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Request 
divests 57 F-15C/Ds from the active fleet in fiscal year 2024. We have 
already started to replace this fleet with a modernized successor by 
purchasing the F-15EX. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Request 
procures 24 F-15EX aircraft and funds weapon system investment at $2.9 
billion. Notably, the Air Force remains fully committed to developing 
advanced 5th and next generation capabilities and the F-35. The F-15EX 
is a complementary step to both F-35 procurement and NGAD development 
and helps mitigate capacity risk while balancing near-term readiness 
concerns.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests $406.5 million in 
fiscal year 2024 to continue modernization efforts to ensure the F-15E 
Strike Eagle remains viable to the 2030's. Modernizing the F-15E with 
Early Passive Active Warning Survivability System (EPAWSS), also used 
on the F-15EX, demonstrates our commitment to building a more lethal 
Air Force. EPAWSS will allow the F-15E/EX to survive to attack targets 
in high threat environments.
  F-16
    Our more than 600 post block F-16s will provide affordable capacity 
for the next 15 or more years, in both competition and more permissive 
combat environments. We are beginning to transition away from our 
oldest, early block F-16s, with a reduction of 49 planned through 
fiscal year 2025. We will continue to modernize the late block F-16s we 
keep as our ``affordable capacity'' fighter into the 2040's. The F-16 
investment strategy funds modifications for the most capable, late 
block aircraft to ensure they can operate and survive in today's threat 
environment. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests $405.32 
million in fiscal year 2024 to continue these modernization efforts. 
This includes continuing the Service Life Extension Program comprising 
12 structural modifications, affecting 450 aircraft, as well as several 
avionics capability upgrades including the Active Electronically 
Scanned Array (AESA) Radar upgrade. The new radar replaces the current 
mechanically scanned radar, with greater ability to detect, track, and 
identify low-observable, low-flying, and slow-flying targets. This 
Joint Emerging Operational Need (JEON) of 72 radar systems is complete 
and fielded. The underway Phase 3 will install a total of 443 radar 
systems across the Combat Air Force (CAF), Air Force Reserve Command 
(AFRC), and Air National Guard (ANG), bringing critical capabilities to 
the F-16 platform to meet aerospace control alert mission requirements 
to properly defend the Homeland against modern threats. These radars 
continue fielding in fiscal year 2024.
  F-22
    F-22 Block-20's are now in their third decade and have the highest 
operating costs of any Air Force fighter. They are not combat 
representative, meaning they do not possess the combat capabilities 
resident in the F-22 Block-30/35. Remaining committed to ensuring air 
superiority for the Joint Force in the highly contested environment 
against a peer adversary, it is imperative to modernize the F-22 to 
preserve its advantages while concurrently developing NGAD. To resource 
both F-22 modernization and NGAD, the Air Force maintains our fiscal 
year 2023 position to divest the oldest and least capable F-22s (32 F-
22 Block-20's) in fiscal year 2024. In the near term, three heavily 
modified F-22 Block-20's will be kept for testing. Additionally, the 
Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request includes $1.62 billion in 
fiscal year 2024 for modernization efforts essential to gain and 
maintain air superiority against evolving threats. The Rapid 
Prototyping and Rapid Fielding efforts follow an agile acquisition 
construct and combine former TacLink16 and Tactical Mandates (TACMAN), 
Low Drag Tanks & Pylons, Electronic Protection, and GPS M-code programs 
to deliver slices of each capability on an annual release cadence for 
capabilities as they mature. Future modernizations will continue to 
leverage the agile construct as a vehicle to rapidly prototype and 
iteratively field critical enhancements with capabilities delivered to 
the fleet in order to ensure ``first look, first shot, first kill'' 
capability in highly contested environments. Funds garnered from the 
divestment of F-22 Block-20's have been reinvested in NGAD development 
across the FYDP. The transition timeline from F-22 to NGAD is dependent 
on the progress of NGAD development efforts.
  A-10
    In the Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Request the Air Force 
seeks to continue the drawdown of the A-10 fleet by divesting a total 
of 42 A-10's in fiscal year 2024. Aircraft will come from Davis-Monthan 
AFB (-36) and Moody AFB (-6). A controlled drawdown will allow the Air 
Force to continue transitioning its fighter fleet and maintenance 
personnel to an advanced force capable of defeating the threats 
outlined in the National Defense Strategy and National Security 
Strategy. Failure to execute the A-10 divestment as planned will inject 
unacceptable risk to the Air Force's ability to deter or defeat a peer 
adversary.
Trainers
  T-7A
    The T-7A Advanced Pilot Trainer replaces AETC's existing fleet of 
422 T-38C aircraft with 351 aircraft and associated simulators, ground 
equipment, spares, and support equipment. The T-7A will provide student 
pilots with the skills and competencies required to be better prepared 
to transition into 4th and 5th generation fighter and bomber aircraft. 
The T-7A program was designed for the Air Force using a digital 
engineering approach, which offers significant benefits particularly 
during the design and build phases. Digital engineering reduces 
development times, lowers production costs, and allows greater 
collaboration between the Air Force and industry in the development and 
production of the initial T-7 prototypes. Embracing modern digital 
engineering practices reduced design costs, reduced production support 
manpower, improved first time quality by 75 percent, and reduced 
assembly hours by 80 percent through task reduction. The Fiscal Year 
2024 President's Budget request continues the program's Engineering and 
Manufacturing Development (EMD) and early aircraft flight test efforts, 
ensuring we meet the 2027 Initial Operational Capability and 2036 Full 
Operational Capability milestones. Rollout of the first EMD T-7A 
occurred in April 2022 and First Flight is anticipated in 2023. The Air 
Force is working with Boeing to enable the T-7A program to achieve 
Milestone C in the 2nd quarter of fiscal year 2025. While these dates 
are later than the initially proposed milestones for T-7, they 
represent realistic and achievable timelines which can sustain our 
training capability through the T-38 to the T-7 transition.
T-1, T-6, and T-38
    The Air Force is continuing investment efforts in its trainer 
platforms, including critical modernization programs for the T-6 and T-
38 fleets. The T-1A fleet is scheduled for divestment between fiscal 
year 2023 and fiscal year 2026. Training of future Mobility pilots, 
currently being conducted in the T-1A aircraft, will be accomplished in 
the T-1A simulators using procedures developed from the Pilot Training 
Next Innovation Cell at Air Education and Training Command (AETC). The 
T-6 continues mitigation efforts for the aircraft with the On-Board 
Oxygen Generation System (OBOGS) to improve the safety of pilot 
training and address Unexplained Physiological Events (UPEs). To date, 
mitigation efforts have resulted in an 82 percent reduction in UPEs. 
Expected completion of Enhanced OBOGS mitigation efforts is mid-fiscal 
year 2024. In fiscal year 2023, the T-6 will start a major Avionics 
Replacement Program (ARP) to address Diminishing Manufacturing Sources 
and Material Shortages (DMSMS) for critical avionics issues. For the T-
38, modifications are also required to sustain and upgrade the fleet 
until the T-7A delivers, including avionics, Pacer Classic III, Talon 
Repair, Inspections, Maintenance, and front canopy replacement 
programs. The fiscal year 2024 PB requests $14.3 million, $39.7 
million, and $129.8 million for the T-1, T-6, and T-38 fleets, 
respectively.
  Munitions
    Extensive wargaming and analysis demonstrate that the Air Force 
requires an affordable mix of both air-to-air and air-to-surface 
weapons that can deliver the capacity and capability needed to maintain 
a competitive advantage over the pacing challenge. The Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget request modernizes munitions and directly supports 
and influences the DAF's seven Operational Imperatives.
    The Air Force shaped its investments based on the optimal mix of 
munitions, aligned with current OSD and Joint Staff planning guidance. 
In fiscal year 2024, the Air Force is focused on critical high 
performance, standoff, and precision strike weapons to deliver 
munitions with increased range and precision effects in contested 
environments against high-value targets. The Air Force made investments 
to expand production capacity, procure munitions at favorable economic 
rates, and strengthen the industrial base. The munitions portfolio 
includes three new multi-year procurement programs, which aim to 
maximize weapon production efficiency with a buy-to-budget procurement 
approach. The Air Force will continue to collaborate with partner 
nations and the Navy to share cost and technology; this partnership is 
critical in countering naval air defense threats. The Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget request for Norway's Joint Strike Missile represents 
such a partnership to procure an operational long range, air-to-
surface, precision guided survivable system that enables the U.S. to 
hold maritime targets at risk in contested environments and increases 
our maritime strike capacity. The Air Force continues to respond to 
current operational demands and ensuring we are prepared to defend 
against more advanced threats. Doing so requires advanced weapons 
capabilities and the Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request 
reflects the Air Force's plan to continue investing in those areas, 
specifically with the Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM), 
Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM), and the Advanced Medium Range 
Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM). These weapons provide unique and necessary 
capabilities for the highly contested environment.
  JASSM
    JASSM is the premier air-to-ground, low observable missile for 
defeating threats in highly contested environments and is the weapon of 
choice for a future fight against peer adversaries. Through the use of 
multi-year procurement authority, the Air Force requests $1.6 billion 
in fiscal year 2024 that includes an economic order quantity to 
increase inventory and ramp up to maximize production rates. 
Additionally, the President's Budget requests $77 million in 
facilitization funding, which increases the JASSM production line from 
550 to a capability to produce 810 missiles per year in fiscal year 
2026.
  LRASM
    LRASM, produced in the same facility as JASSM, is a Navy developed 
purpose-built anti-ship missile particularly critical for the future 
fight in a maritime environment. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's 
Budget requests $188 million to procure 27 missiles and increases LRASM 
procurement in the future years defense program by utilizing Multi-year 
procurement authority. Included in the Navy's Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget request is a $53 million facilitization request to 
increase LRASM production from 120 to a capability to produce 240 
missiles per year in fiscal year 2026.
  AMRAAM
    The Air Force also leverages Multi-year procurement authority in 
its Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request for AMRAAM as we 
continue to invest in the next generation medium and long-range air-to-
air missiles. AMRAAM continues to be the Air Force's premier beyond 
visual range, all weather, launch and leave medium range air-to-air 
missile. The Air Force is requesting $701 million for 457 missiles, 
which includes an economic order quantity that supports the Multi-year 
procurement strategy to maximize production capacity through the future 
years defense program.
  Stand-In Attack Weapon (SiAW)
    The Air Force continues to invest in technology to counter future 
peer threats. Continued development of the Stand-in Attack Weapon 
(SiAW) delivers a strike capability to defeat rapidly relocatable 
targets, a hallmark of the highly contested environment. SiAW is the 
munition that gives the F-35 unique air-to-surface capabilities in the 
high-end fight for the Joint Force. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's 
Budget requests $298 million for SiAW development and prototyping, 
along with $42 million in procurement funding to field Advanced Anti-
Radiation Guided Missile Extended Range (AARGM-ER) on the F-35 as an 
interim capability.
Hypersonic Weapons
    Hypersonics are being designed to rapidly overcome the tyranny of 
distance in the Pacific and enable the U.S. to hold high value, time-
sensitive targets at risk in contested environments from standoff 
distances within the region. When integrated with the broader munitions 
portfolio, their cost and complexity make hypersonic weapons a high-
end, low volume capability, which, in concert with a wider weapon force 
mixture, are key to providing a war-winning force.
  HACM
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Request of $382 million for 
the Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile (HACM) development allows the Air 
Force to mature HACM to critical design, continue model-based 
engineering activities, and mature the digital ecosystem to complete 
critical design analysis. It also allows for design verification 
testing, execution of initial qualification testing, procurement and 
building of initial flight test hardware and aircraft integration 
assets, and maturation of Weapon Open Systems Architecture (WOSA) 
compliance evaluations. All of this is in preparation for flight test 
in fiscal year 2025, which enables production article procurement by 
fiscal year 2027.
  ARRW (AGM-183A)
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests $150.3 million of 
RDT&E funding to complete the Air-launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) 
AGM-183A rapid prototyping program and flight testing. It is important 
that we continue to test in order demonstrate that the system can meet 
the requirements for which it was designed so we can consider 
procurement options, including our overall munitions mix, in the 
future.
Tanker Fleet
    Near-peer competitors have made significant advancements that 
threaten today's tanker fleet and potentially forces them to operate 
farther away from their area of responsibility. The stacked demand of 
global operations requires a set number of air refueling tankers with 
specific connectivity, survivability, and agility capabilities, 
generating at mission capable rates to meet timelines and win the 
fight. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Request modifies the Air 
Force's tanker recapitalization approach from the three-phase approach 
envisioned in the early 2000's (i.e., KC-X, which later became KC-46A, 
KC-Y, and KC-Z) to a more agile, threat-informed approach prioritizing 
and accelerating the right capabilities to deliver fuel to the fight.
Accelerating to Next Generation Air-refueling System (NGAS)
    The Air Force is establishing and accelerating the Next Generation 
Air-refueling System (NGAS) to meet the future needs of the joint force 
and continue uninterrupted tanker recapitalization during the gap 
period between the end of the KC-46A production contract and delivery 
of the first NGAS aircraft.
    NGAS will be an accelerated, advanced air refueling system that 
meets the future needs of the joint force. It will deploy advanced 
technologies and permit air refueling in the anticipated future 
contested battlespace. We are considering clean sheet, purpose-built 
designs that address projected future threats and delivers upgraded 
capabilities in multiple tankers, delivered in increments. The program 
is being designed to leverage continuous competition.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests $7.9 million for 
an NGAS Analysis of Alternatives (AoA), led by Air Mobility Command, 
which will shape requirements and determine the technology development 
timeline. This analysis will be informed by a wide array of industry 
capability providers. The results of the NGAS AoA may indicate a need 
for more than one type of aerial refueling platform, matching 
capabilities to scenarios and using a family of systems approach, which 
allows us to remain flexible and responsive to the ever-changing 
threat. We plan to build substantial vendor pools to assist us in 
developing a future aerial refueling family of systems leveraging 
competition throughout the effort.
    Delivery of the first NGAS increment is expected in the mid-to-late 
2030's. That will leave a gap period between the delivery of the final 
KC-46A under the current production contract and delivery of the first 
NGAS aircraft. During this gap period, we must continue to modernize 
our tanker fleet through continued recapitalization with a limited 
number of air refuelable, commercial derivative, limited development 
tankers. The tankers procured during this gap period will have 
capabilities similar to the KC-46A with Pegasus Advanced Communications 
Suite (PACS) also referred to as Block 1, plus potentially a digital 
backbone capable of Advanced Battle Management System (ABMS)/Joint All-
Domain Command and Control (JADC2) integration, with minimal 
connectivity, survivability, and agility capabilities.
    Continuous tanker recapitalization until NGAS delivers is critical 
to the warfighter because the KC-135 has inherent operational 
limitations. It is less survivable because it lacks the connectivity 
capability of the KC-46A. Further, it is not air refuelable and can 
only refuel either boom or drogue operations on a mission, lacking the 
flexibility of a KC-46A. It is not cost effective to add these 
capabilities to the aging KC-135 fleet in order to raise the mission 
capable rates required to compete in a contested environment. Under the 
previous tanker recapitalization strategy, the Air Force planned on 
procuring a fleet of 140-160 commercial-derivative aircraft following 
the completion of the KC-46A program. With NGAS accelerating from the 
2050's to the mid/late 2030's, the Air Force will likely procure fewer 
recapitalization tankers before NGAS. Our goal is to use tanker 
recapitalization prior to NGAS to replace 15 KC-135s per year as they 
retire with tankers that have similar capabilities to the KC-46A.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Requests $4.97 billion over 
the Future Years Defense Program for tanker recapitalization. This 
includes $526 million for RDT&E, $136.2 million for initial spares, and 
$4.3 billion for procurement of aircraft beyond the current KC-46A 
production contract, with deliveries in the fiscal year 2029 to fiscal 
year 2030 timeframe. It is estimated we will have final Joint 
Requirements Oversight Council (JROC) validated requirements in the 3rd 
quarter of fiscal year 2023. Upon final Business Case Analysis (BCA) 
completion based on the JROC validated requirements, the Air Force will 
determine its acquisition strategy for tanker recapitalization, which 
is likely later this year.
  KC-46A
    The KC-46A continues to deliver greater operational readiness, 
flexibility, connectivity, and survivability to the Global Reach 
mission. One hundred twenty-four production aircraft are on contract, 
with 15 more planned in fiscal year 2024.
    Since January 2019, 68 KC-46As have been delivered among five Main 
Operating Bases (MOBs): McConnell AFB, Kansas, Altus AFB, Oklahoma 
(Formal Training Unit), Pease Air National Guard Base, New Hampshire, 
Seymour Johnson AFB, North Carolina, and Joint Base McGuire-Dix-
Lakehurst, New Jersey. Travis AFB, California, is expecting its first 
delivery in 2023.
    The Air Force continues to work with Boeing to correct deficiencies 
with the Remote Vision System (RVS) and stiff air refueling boom. We 
are committed to ensuring these deficiencies are properly addressed 
without undue burden on taxpayers or warfighters. The RVS 2.0 solution 
and start of fleet retrofit are now scheduled in the 1st quarter of 
fiscal year 2026. The design solution to resolve the stiff boom 
deficiency is expected to complete in the 2nd quarter of fiscal year 
2025 with fielding start in mid-fiscal year 2026.
    Despite its current deficiencies, the KC-46A is safe to operate 
(adhering to flight manual cautions provided to our operators). Since 
Summer of 2021, through its Interim Capability Release Process and 
associated rigorous assessment, AMC has made KC-46As available for 
training and worldwide operational employment and taskings to alleviate 
pressure on legacy tanker fleets and potentially allow legacy tanker 
retirements. AMC has cleared KC-46As to carry out operational refueling 
on nearly all required aircraft, except for the A-10 and any receiver 
aircraft without an approved technical compatibility assessment. Since 
January 2019, KC-46As have delivered over 95 million pounds of fuel 
through over 70,000 safe and effective aerial refueling contacts.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Requests $124.7 million in 
RDT&E to support the ongoing KC-46A Engineering and Manufacturing 
Development and post-production modification efforts, to include the 
boom telescope actuator redesign that resolves the stiff boom 
deficiency, continued test and receiver aircraft certifications, 
development for training system required updates, and increased effort 
on the KC-46A Block 1 program. Additionally, the budget requests $3.1 
billion to fund procurement of 15 aircraft in Production Lot 10 and the 
associated support costs, along with increased depot standup and 
transition to organic sustainment efforts.
  KC-10 and KC-135
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request will continue KC-
135 modernization efforts to extend its capability into the 2040's, 
including the Block 45 program, the Rudder Position Indicator program, 
the Aero-I Satellite Communications (SATCOM) program, Real-Time 
Information in the Cockpit program, Mobile User Objective System 
program, Comm 2 Crypto and Data program, High Frequency Modernization 
program, and the Center Console Refresh program.
    This is the final year of operations for the KC-10 with all 
aircraft planned to retire at the end of fiscal year 2024. Service 
bulletin funding is necessary to ensure FAA certification.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Request supports the Fiscal 
Year 2023 NDAA air refueling minimum inventory of 466 tanker aircraft. 
In fiscal year 2024, the Air Force is retiring the remaining 24 KC-10's 
as they are replaced by the KC-46A. These retirements are critical in 
providing the flexibility to free up resources and manpower to 
modernize and fund the Air Force's future tanker fleet.
Executive Airlift
  VC-25B
    The VC-25B program will replace the U.S. Air Force Presidential VC-
25A fleet, which faces capability gaps, rising maintenance costs, and 
parts obsolescence as it ages beyond 30 years. Modifications to the 
747-8 aircraft began in February 2020 in San Antonio, Texas, and 
include an electrical power upgrade, dual auxiliary power units that 
are usable in flight, a mission communication system, an executive 
interior, military avionics, a self-defense system, autonomous 
enplaning and deplaning, and autonomous baggage loading.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests $490.7 million to 
continue Engineering and Manufacturing Development, aircraft 
modifications, developmental test and evaluation, and other product 
support activities.
  C-40
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget reflects $8.9 million in 
procurement funding to address satellite communications system 
upgrades, cryptographic modernization, and low-cost modifications and 
service bulletins in order to provide secure and reliable government 
air transportation.
Strategic and Tactical Airlift
  C-5
    Current C-5 Super Galaxy investment programs focus on fleet 
obsolescence, maintainability, and safety of flight. The Fiscal Year 
2024 President's Budget requests $24.4 million in procurement funding, 
predominantly for communications, navigation, surveillance/air traffic 
management (CNS/ATM) and core mission computer/weather radar (CMC/WxR) 
system equipment. CNS/ATM upgrades include modifications to Automatic 
Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) Out required for global 
airspace compliance. The CMC/WxR effort replaces an antiquated radar 
system and upgrades the core mission computer processor to meet the 
demands of future software modifications. Production funding also 
includes procurement of training systems.
    Additionally, the Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests 
$26.5 million RDT&E funding to support replacement of the 
Multifunctional Controls and Displays (RMCD). This comprehensive 
sustainment modification mitigates the obsolescence of the current 
control and display units and increases capacity for future technology 
integration into the cockpit. There is an additional $3.0 million to 
begin initial capability studies for a concept preliminarily termed the 
Next Generation Airlift (NGAL) that will determine requirements and 
technologies available to support a next generation airlift family of 
systems.
  C-17
    The C-17 is the only aircraft in the Air Force inventory that 
combines tactical capability with strategic range to operate from 
austere airfields. The fleet of 222 aircraft provides our Nation with 
unmatched flexibility to conduct theater and inter-theater direct 
delivery, airdrop, aeromedical, and special operations airlift 
missions. Agile and efficient software and hardware updates ensure 
timely readiness, safety, and capability improvements as this premier 
airlift platform contributes to our national security objectives.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests $140.6 million in 
procurement funding to continue critical modifications to the C-17 
fleet. The majority of this is allocated to procuring Beyond Line of 
Site (BLOS) communication equipment, but also includes a filter fire 
mitigation for the On-Board Inert Gas Generating System, Large Aircraft 
Infrared Countermeasures defensive systems, and Replacement Heads-Up 
Display (RHUD). The BLOS program integrates aircraft avionics as well 
as back-end mission communications to utilize both military and 
commercial satellite systems, extend communication ranges, and ensure 
aircraft complies with air space mandates. The RHUD modification effort 
addresses obsolescence of the current C-17 heads-up display and 
improves the system's availability, reliability, and maintainability. 
Production funding also includes procurement of training systems.
    Fiscal year 2024 RDT&E funding will finish testing of the BLOS 
program and begin the Flight Deck Replacement program. The Flight Deck 
Replacement program will develop, integrate, and retrofit the C-17 
cockpit to replace four obsolete parts and provide an open systems 
architecture that enables future modular ``plug and play'' expansion of 
capability.
  C-130H/J Fleet
    The C-130 fleet consists of C-130H and newer C-130J aircraft, as 
well as special mission aircraft (AC/LC/EC/MC/HC/WC-130's). C-130Hs and 
C-130Js are medium-size transport aircraft capable of completing a 
variety of tactical airlift operations across a broad range of 
missions. The fleet delivers air logistics support for all theater 
forces, including those involved in combat operations.
  C-130H
    The Air Force continues to modernize the C-130H fleet to ensure 
aircraft safety, airspace compliance, and aircraft systems 
modernization. Our C-130H Center Wing Box replacement program breathes 
new life into some of our hardest flown aircraft, enabling them to 
continue to safely operate well into the future. The C-130H Avionics 
Modernization Program (AMP) Increment 2 improves the C-130H fleet 
maintainability and reliability by providing a new digital avionics 
suite and mitigating obsolescence and diminishing manufacturing source 
challenges. In addition, the Air Force plans to upgrade the C-130H 
fleets with a Mobile User Objective System. The Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget requests $5.4 million in RDT&E and $71.9 million in 
procurement funding to support the C-130H fleet.
  C-130J
    The Air Force has partially recapitalized the C-130H fleet with C-
130Js, which also support our Special Operations missions by providing 
Special Forces with extra weight carrying capacity, longer range, and 
better fuel efficiency. These special mission variants of the C-130J 
conduct weather reconnaissance (WC-130J), search and rescue (HC-130J), 
and special operations (MC-130J and AC-130J). The Air Force has 
multiple modification efforts for the C-130J, including Center Wing Box 
replacement, Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures, communications 
upgrades, and Block 8.1. The C-130J Block 8.1 modernization program, 
currently in production, delivers new communication and data link 
capabilities, a modern flight management system, and other key 
capabilities to the field. In addition, the Air Force plans to upgrade 
the C-130J fleets with a Mobile User Objective System and a Second-
Generation Anti-Jam Tactical Ultra High Frequency Radio satellite 
communication system to ensure we maintain key communication links 
anywhere in the world.
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Requests $19.1 million for 
C-130J RDT&E and $156.2 million for C-130J procurement and modification 
efforts. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget also requests funding 
for HC/MC-130J RDT&E and HC/MC-130J procurement and modification 
efforts.
Rotorcraft
CV-22
    The CV-22 is the Air Force variant of the joint V-22 tilt-rotor 
aircraft. It allows for long-distance, terrain following, vertical lift 
operations with increased survivability and is the only high-speed 
vertical lift platform in the Air Force inventory. The Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget requests $175.1 million to continue modifications to 
increase CV-22 fleet reliability, capability, and survivability. 
Investments in these areas will ensure the CV-22 fleet remains ready, 
reliable, and relevant in the future.
  HH-60G and HH-60W (Combat Rescue Helicopter)
    The Air Force is the only Service with a dedicated force organized, 
trained, and equipped to execute theater-wide Personnel Recovery. The 
HH-60G fleet currently accomplishes this mission by conducting day, 
night, and marginal weather Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) operations 
to recover isolated personnel in hostile or permissive environments. 
The HH-60W will replace the SH-60F in this role. To date, Congress has 
provided resources to procure 85 HH-60W, which is sufficient capacity 
for the missions envisioned for this force. No additional HH-60 
aircraft were requested in the Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget. The 
Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget requests $4.2 million and $330.8 
million for the HH-60G and HH-60W programs, respectively.
  MH-139A
    The MH-139A program is a critical element of the Air Force nuclear 
enterprise reform initiative and also supports operational airlift 
within the National Capital Region. This program will deliver up to 80 
replacement helicopters, training devices, and associated support 
equipment to replace the legacy UH-1Ns. The Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget requests $274.9 million for the MH-139 program, 
which will fund Low-Rate Initial Production for seven aircraft, 
training devices, and support equipment. It also funds the MH-139A 
Performance Enhancements and Product Improvements Program, which is the 
development of solutions to provide capability issues identified during 
the development and test of the MH-139A. This includes solving 
communication and weapon systems challenges, improving mission planning 
compatibility, resolving usability concerns, and other critical 
capabilities. The first six aircraft continue to be used to finalize 
test and development, while producing the first Low-Rate Initial 
Production lot of 13 aircraft procured in fiscal year 2023.
Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance
    The Air Force is focusing Intelligence, Surveillance, and 
Reconnaissance (ISR) resources on systems that provide high quality 
tracking and target coordinates, establish meaningful data nodes to 
give tactical direction, and optimize weapon systems with information 
that matters in the most useful formats, at speed and scale. To meet 
the challenges of a highly contested environment, the future ISR 
portfolio will consist of a multi-domain, multi-intelligence, 
collaborative sensing grid that uses advanced technology. The end goal 
is a ready Next Generation ISR Enterprise possessing a decisive 
advantage for the warfighter while remaining competent across the 
entire spectrum of conflict.
    The ability to win future high-end conflicts requires accelerating 
investment to transition our ISR force structure into a connected, 
persistent, and survivable force. To achieve this, we must move away 
from expensive legacy systems that offer limited capability against 
future competitors. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request 
takes further steps toward repurposing, retooling, automating, and 
stabilizing the force to ensure the ISR Enterprise can achieve this 
vision within the next decade.
  MQ-9
    The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request of $178.7 million 
will continue MQ-9 fleet modernization efforts aimed at providing 
needed capabilities to the Combatant Commands. To date the MQ-9 fleet 
has flown over three million hours, with the vast majority of those 
hours supporting combat operations. This level of warfighter support is 
facilitated by an agile acquisition strategy, creating flexibility to 
quickly add new requirements.
    The Air Force continues to right-size the fleet for current 
requirements, while focusing on future priorities. In fiscal year 2024, 
the remaining 48 MQ-9 Block 1 aircraft will be divested from the fleet 
and finalize transfer of 10 aircraft to the Marine Corps. The Air Force 
will begin to remove high time Block 5 aircraft toward the end of the 
FYDP; however, the remaining fleet will continue to meet the required 
force offering.
    MQ-9 modernization efforts include the continued development of MQ-
9 Multi-Domain Operations (M2DO) capability upgrades that will keep the 
fleet relevant. Upgrades in the M2DO configuration include Anti-jam 
GPS, Command and Control Resiliency, Enhanced Power, Link-16, and an 
effective and reliable open systems architecture.
  RQ-4
    The RQ-4 Global Hawk remotely piloted aircraft system provides high 
altitude, long endurance, all weather, wide area reconnaissance and 
surveillance. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request of $1 
million will maximize Block 40 utility through the remainder of the 
Global Hawk service life and maintain its ISR capabilities.
    The Air Force plans to divest Block 40 in fiscal year 2027, as we 
continue to develop space-based Ground Moving Target Indicator (GMTI) 
to meet Combatant Commander's needs in accordance with the NDS. The 
reduced investment in the RQ-4 also enables the Department to better 
align resources with the NDS.
EC-37B COMPASS CALL
    COMPASS CALL is the Air Force's only wide-area, standoff, Airborne 
Electromagnetic Attack (AEA) Command and Control Warfare/Information 
Operations weapon system. The COMPASS CALL program is currently 
undergoing a re-host effort to transition the capability from the EC-
130H to the EC-37B in order to maintain U.S. Electromagnetic Spectrum 
(EMS) Superiority in future conflicts. Ten EC-37B aircraft have been 
procured, to date, and are at various stages of modification, with 
limited fielding for training only in fiscal year 2025, and initial 
operational fielding in fiscal year 2026.
    With the Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget, the Air Force will be 
focused on continuing Developmental and Operational Test for the 
rehosted EC-37B capability, as well as continuing development of the 
mission system upgrade for the fielding of System Wide Open 
Reconfigurable Dynamic Architecture (SWORD-A) capabilities. The open 
and agile architecture of SWORD-A will enable a more rapid response 
capability against emerging threats and will be included on aircraft 
number six through ten initially and then to the first five aircraft as 
an upgrade modification.
  E-3 Airborne Warning and Control System
    Despite modernization efforts, the aging E-3 Airborne Warning and 
Control System (AWACS) offers limited operational utility in contested 
conflicts. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget includes a resourced 
plan to replace the E-3 expeditiously to address this capability gap. 
Pursuant to the Fiscal Year 2023 NDAA, the Air Force begins divesting 
the first 13 E-3 AWACS aircraft in fiscal year 2023. This fleet 
reduction allows the Air Force to concentrate resources and improve E-3 
aircraft availability rates, while efforts to procure E-7A are 
underway. Full fleet divestment is currently scheduled to occur by 
fiscal year 2029; therefore, most E-3 modernization programs are being 
terminated except mandated requirements for crypto and communication 
systems as well as safety of flight efforts. Keeping any number of the 
E-3s beyond the current DAF plan will not change the capability to 
address the ``bathtub'' because of the increasing sustainment and 
readiness challenges. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request 
divests two E-3s in fiscal year 2024 reducing the fleet from 18 E-3s in 
fiscal year 2023 to 16 E-3s by the end of fiscal year 2024. The Fiscal 
Year 2024 President's Budget request of $849 million funds these 
efforts to maintain existing AWACS Battle Management and Command and 
Control capabilities.
  E-7A
    The E-7A program replaces the E-3 AWACS. It will enable the long 
range kill chain by delivering the ability to detect and track highly 
maneuverable, small radar cross-section airborne targets (modern and 
emerging threats); enabling greater airborne battlespace awareness with 
its precise, real-time air picture of sufficient quality to control and 
direct individual aircraft under a wide range of environmental and 
operational conditions. It will also mitigate reliability, operational 
availability, maintainability, and sustainability issues. These 
enhancements are made possible by state-of-the-art radar capabilities 
including beam steering, sector staring, and much faster target revisit 
rates that translate into better target detection and tracking of 
modern threats, as well as more robust Electronic Protection not 
possible with the mechanically scanned radar on the E-3 AWACS. The 
Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget Requests funds to continue the 
rapid prototyping of the E-7A weapon system. Rapid prototyping includes 
development efforts to ensure compliance with U.S. cyber security and 
program protection standards; development efforts to ensure navigation 
and communication systems comply with GPS M-Code and Narrowband SATCOM 
mandates; design and build-out of contractor and government System 
Integration Laboratories supporting development, integration, and test 
activities, and provide analysis and products supporting future 
requirements and airworthiness certification. The Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget request of $681 million funds these continued 
efforts to develop the first two E-7A aircraft.
Connecting the Joint Force
    The Air Force continues to work closely with the other services, 
the Joint Staff, and OSD to drive implementation of Joint All-Domain 
Command and Control (JADC2). The Department of the Air Force 
established a new PEO for Command, Control, Communications, and Battle 
Management (C3BM), which is leading the integration of command and 
control and battle management functions across the Department of the 
Air Force to ensure our planned capabilities deliver the C2 
capabilities supporting the joint force. The cornerstone of this effort 
is the DAF Battle Network, including the Advanced Battle Management 
System (ABMS), which creates decision advantage by delivering critical 
information and capabilities to warfighters and operators at multiple 
echelons.
    Operationally optimized ABMS/JADC2 is one of the Secretary of the 
Air Force's operational imperatives and is foundational to many other 
operational imperatives. Within the ABMS portfolio, DAF PEO C3BM is 
pursuing multiple interconnected investments: digital infrastructure, 
aerial networking, software and applications, and architecture and 
systems engineering focusing on closing the right kill chains and 
delivering near-term operational capability. The Architecture and 
Systems Engineering (ASE) team within DAF PEO C3BM drives mission 
integration to enable warfighter capabilities for resilient decision 
advantage. Its primary product is engineering data to drive decisions 
on effective and efficient integration of the DAF Battle Network across 
the Joint Force. DAF PEO C3BM is working as the Integrating PEO to 
ensure Air Force and Space Force systems have seamless interoperability 
and compatibility to meet the JADC2 concept.
    Driven by strategic requirements approved by the Chief of Staff of 
the United States Air Force and the Chief of Space Operations, DAF PEO 
C3BM has identified DAF Battle Network core and connected programs 
across the acquisition community, while also continuing to execute the 
ABMS portfolio. The Fiscal Year 2024 President's Budget request of 
$500.6 million will enable ABMS to remain on track to deliver initial 
capabilities such as the Cloud-Based Command and Control (CBC2) 
tactical C2 software to multiple Air Defense Sectors, as well as 
multiple digital infrastructure efforts for software-defined wide area 
networking and deployable edge solutions for battle management teams at 
multiple echelons.
                               conclusion
    Thank you again for the opportunity to testify. We look forward to 
working with this Subcommittee to ensure the Department of the Air 
Force maintains the necessary military advantage to secure our vital 
national interests and support our allies and partners in fiscal year 
2024 and beyond.

    Senator Kelly. Thank you, General. I am going to turn it 
over to Ranking Member Senator Cotton for his questions first, 
and I will be back.
    Senator Cotton. But I will be in charge until then----
    [Laughter.]
    Senator Cotton. General Moore, with the Air Force being 
plagued by underfunding, shrinking inventories, and aging 
aircraft, can you explain a little bit how the situation has 
impacted your ability to focus on both modernization and also 
the current requirements to fight tonight?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, Senator. As you rightly 
point out, there is certainly a balance between current risk 
and future risk. We have endeavored to balance what needs to be 
done to provide a modern force, as well as what it takes to 
remain ready today.
    We have received over the last several budget cycles great 
support from this committee and others to move past the kinds 
of legacy force structure that aren't supporting our current 
operations needs.
    It isn't just the dollars that are freed up by moving away 
from legacy platforms. One must divest an entire squadron of F-
16s to buy a single F-35, or an entire squadron of KC-135s to 
buy a single KC-46. It isn't an issue of economics.
    Every bit as important as the dollars, is the manpower that 
is involved in maintaining and flying legacy force structure. 
We need to transition that to, as you mentioned in your opening 
statement, the force structure that you see in procurement in 
this FYDP.
    There will be some manageable risk to near-term ability for 
capacity, we will say. But there is no zero-risk solution. 
There is no way to make any kind of transition without taking 
risk. We have to balance near-term risk and future risk, and we 
think we have done that in our budget submission.
    Senator Cotton. General Hinote, would you like to speak to 
that question? I saw you nodding vigorously on a few occasions.
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Yes, sir. Ranking Member Cotton, 
thanks for the question. One of the things I think I can say 
about this budget that makes me feel more confident than ever 
is I think we have actually started to move the big money to 
the future.
    I would have told you before, I felt like we had not had 
been able to do that for lots of different reasons. So, I think 
you are seeing quite a big change in the 1924 budget going 
toward the future capabilities, and that has me thinking we got 
that balanced much more correct.
    Senator Cotton. Okay. General Slife, if I did not see you 
nodding vigorously, but I didn't see you rolling your eyes or 
expressing any other opinion. Would you like to express one 
verbally?
    Lieutenant General Slife. Well, Senator, thank you. What I 
would offer--I spend the bulk of my days working these current 
operations issues, and the demand from the combatant commands 
is insatiable. They all want more Air Force.
    But the problem is that unless we can articulate the risk 
and capacity of our Air Force to the joint force, we will 
always, as General Hinote said, privilege present risk at the 
expense of future risk.
    I am excited about the progress we have made in our service 
force generation model, which is allowing us to articulate risk 
and capacity a little better, which in turn preserves the 
force's readiness, so that as we modernize, we have the force 
as ready as possible for today.
    Senator Cotton. All right, and, Mr. Hunter, anything to 
add? Batting cleanup?
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, I would just I agree with my colleagues 
and I would say I think the key enabler for us in the 
Department of the Air Force in arriving at what I think was a 
balanced solution, a way to balance that risk was the fact that 
it was done as an enterprise.
    That we had all of the various aspects, the operational 
community and the major Combatant Commands, with the Chief, and 
with the Secretary, and with the Secretariat, and with the 
acquisition, the expertise that all these elements bring, 
including my own acquisition organization, to bear on saying, 
how do--you know, what is the reasonable risk we can take in 
current ops?
    What is a reasonable program we can put forward to buy down 
future risk that we can resource and that is realistic, and 
drive that a solution that everyone could sign up to.
    Senator Cotton. All right. Thank you. I know that you have 
done the best you can under very difficult circumstances, but I 
think the Air Force requires close attention by the committee 
this year in the defense bill. I want to dig a little bit 
further now in my time left and in the next rounds on some of 
these programs.
    The Air Force has stated that collaborative combat 
aircraft, also referred to as CCA, are a key component of 
future force designed to counterbalance the rising costs of new 
fighter aircraft, allowing the Department to procure a large 
fleet at a lower cost, unmanned wingmen to offset our 
adversaries' growing arsenals and increased survivability of 
manned tactical fighter fleets. It has been explained that 
these unmanned systems will be controlled by manned aircraft.
    I would like to know if the Department is coordinating the 
required mechanisms for that control across the manned aircraft 
fleet, and what is the status of that coordination? Mr. Hunter, 
would you like to start.
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, we are working very closely with Air 
Combat Command, the major command, as we formulate our 
acquisition strategy for the CCA, and of course the 
requirements that exist and sponsors that General Hinote 
validates for the Air Force. So, critical to that is looking at 
what aircraft it will interoperate with and how we achieve that 
interoperability, and that ability to share, you know, C2.
    A lot of analysis has been done on that. We think we have a 
good process for how that should work. There is work to be done 
in making and demonstrating how it actually will work. So, we 
have this operational experimentation unit that has been 
established where we will work closely with the Australians who 
have a flyable platform that they are using today.
    It is not quite exactly--would necessarily meet our 
requirements, but it is a very good proxy that we can use to 
develop the CONOPS for that. But General Hinote could probably 
speak more to exactly how that is going to work.
    Senator Cotton. Yes.
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Yes, sir, and thanks for the 
question. Sir, you are right in that CCAs will allow us to do 
something that is fundamentally different. We are going to be 
able to manipulate risk and impose cost, especially in some 
sort of great power competition and conflict. What I can tell 
you is that a lot of analysis has been done, but we are still 
learning and will continue to learn.
    So, where I think we are today is we have a good plan and 
we have a good opportunity for the operators and the 
acquisition professionals to be able to work together to figure 
out what it looks like when manned, unmanned teaming becomes 
real.
    That is something that has not been totally figured out 
yet, and that is why I am really happy about this operational 
experimentation unit that can take what we have learned so far 
and push it into the future with our tacticians.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you. Up next, Senator Peters.
    Senator Peters. Thank you, Senator Cotton. General Moore, 
the vast distances that our forces need to operate over the 
INDOPACOM AOR, I think certainly helped to highlight the 
importance of having a very robust and reliable refueling 
capability to go through those distances.
    I remain concerned that the Air Force challenges with 
modernizing the refueling tanker fleet, as well as the lack of 
clarity concerning how that will progress, leaving our forces 
potentially vulnerable. So, my question for you is, can you 
speak to the importance of aerial refueling fleet and how the 
Air Force is working to recapitalize existing refueling 
squadrons?
    Particularly you mentioned in somewhere in your opening 
comments the cost of the KC-46 versus the current aircraft, and 
particularly how that might be based in the Reserve or Air 
National Guard squadrons around the country, this 
recapitalization.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, I can, Senator. Thank you. I 
started my career as a tanker pilot and enjoyed every minute of 
it. I remain concerned, as you do, about the future of that 
fleet. The youngest KC-135 we own was built in 1964, and in all 
likelihood, it will remain on the ramp in 2050.
    So, the number one priority in this portfolio is to ensure 
continuous recapitalization of the KC-135. We have through 2029 
for the last deliveries on the current KC-46 contract, and Mr. 
Hunter and his acquisition organization are working to ensure 
that we have the ability to continue procuring tankers until we 
are ready to get to the next gen aerial refueling system, or 
NGAS.
    So, we are also, in addition to procuring new tankers, we 
are continuing to modernize the KC-135. The fuel panel and the 
associated navigation equipment in the center pedestal have 
reached end of life, and we will be replacing those over the 
next couple of years to ensure that the KC-135s remain viable. 
I have flown the KC-46.
    It is a fantastic airplane. It has some things that need to 
be worked at. It has some deficiencies that Boeing is on 
contract to fix, and they are doing that and we are going to 
hold them to it.
    So, we believe we have a viable plan going forward, but it 
will require continuous supervision and active management, 
because, as you say, the air refueling capability is one that 
we can't fight a war without.
    Senator Peters. The KC-46 is coming into reserve. You know, 
it is our National Guard where some of those legacy platforms 
are right now. What do you see a timeline for that?
    Lieutenant General Moore. So, they are coming in as we 
speak. There are both Guard and Reserve aircrews flying KC-46s 
today. There are still two basing decisions yet to be made in 
the KC-46 enterprise. Both of those are slated to go to the Air 
National Guard.
    The percentage of Guard and Reserve forces in the tanker 
community will remain essentially unchanged. That actually in 
the Guard grows just a little bit across the future years' 
defense plan, but it essentially will remain unchanged.
    Senator Peters. Okay, General Slife, the Air Force recently 
stood up the 350th Spectrum Warfare Wing in Pensacola, Florida. 
Based on lessons learned in Ukraine and emerging requirements 
to support the joint force with cyber, as well as electronic 
warfare from increased distances that we are going to be 
facing, do you feel as though the Air Force has the appropriate 
budget and the strategy for employing next generation cyber and 
electronic warfare capabilities?
    Lieutenant General Slife. Senator, I do. With investments 
in things like active, electronically scanned radars, 
investments in the E-7, the E-10.
    These platforms are going to give us the spectrum dominance 
capability that our crews are going to need to be able to fight 
and win in the most contested environments.
    The other thing that the 350th Spectrum Warfare Wing will 
allow us to do is make sure that we are updating and 
modernizing the data files that underpin many of our electronic 
attack programs at the pace that our adversaries are changing.
    As the threat environment becomes more lethal, our 
adversaries are changing the techniques that they use against 
us rapidly. We need the ability to stay one step ahead of them, 
and that is what the 350th will do for us, senator.
    Senator Peters. Thank you, and finally, Mr. Hunter, the 
fiscal year 2024 Air Force budget request includes funding for 
the procurement of 24 F-15EXs in fiscal year 2024, and advanced 
procurement funding for 24 F-15EXs in fiscal year 2025.
    Given that the Air Force initially planned to purchase 144 
of these aircraft but has since walked that back to 80 and is 
now seems to be adjusting to 104, how many F-15EXs does the Air 
Force actually intend to purchase, and what need is that 
aircraft filling?
    As of today, it is our plan to complete the purchase of the 
F-15EX in fiscal year 2025. So, that would be the number, the 
analysis has been done to determine that that would be a 
sufficient force for the purpose for which the F-15EX is being 
acquired, which is largely to backfill and replace the F-15Cs 
that are rapidly divesting from the force.
    So, I think we will have enough when we get to fiscal year 
2025. The decision really was though, to accelerate that 
purchase, to acquire those aircraft as quickly as possible, and 
that is a case where a decision was made to do that in order to 
buy down, to the extent that we can, some of the current risk 
more rapidly.
    Then we will transition resources once we complete F-15EX 
procurement into some of the more future focused modernization 
investments that we have in the portfolio.
    Senator Peters. Great. Thank you.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Mullin.
    Senator Mullin. Thank you, sir. Secretary Hunter, having 
actually the honor to represent Tinker Air Force Base, you can 
imagine I am very much invested in the progress of the E-3 to 
the E-7, AWACS transition. Last year's NDAA included the Air 
Force $300 million unfunded priority request to accelerate the 
transition. Can you kind of elaborate a little bit more on how 
that money was spent? I know you spoke about it earlier, but 
more specifically to this.
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, absolutely, and we very much appreciate 
the Committee's support.
    So, we were able to, due to the committees approving our 
reprogramming request, in fiscal year 2023, got the program 
office stood up and running, in 1923, in the same year in which 
we made the decision to purchase E-7, which was a huge benefit 
and allows us to avoid some of the delays that could have been 
caused by a CR last year.
    Then we worked very rapidly to, once the program office was 
established, to get on contract with Boeing so that we could 
start to accelerate as much of the program activity, the 
engineering work, on the E-7 that we need to carry out as 
quickly as possible.
    So, the resources that Congress provided really helped us 
to accelerate some of the engineering work. The kinds of things 
that we have, worked with Boeing to get underway as quickly as 
possible is--we have begun from the very beginning and talked 
to them about the technical data that we will need to acquire 
for the U.S. Air Force to be able to not only sustain the 
platform but to upgrade and modernize it, to stay current with 
the threat, which is especially critical for the E-7, although 
it is critical for everything, but it is especially critical 
for the E-7.
    We will have to work very closely with our colleagues at 
the FAA on certification of the E-7. We wanted to accelerate 
the work, the engineering work required to get after aircraft 
certification as early as possible. It has been certified 
previously by other countries that are flying the platform, but 
not for the U.S.
    So, we wanted to get after that as quickly as possible, and 
we wanted to get after the software work that will put the E-7 
aircraft that we are purchasing in a configuration that works 
in the U.S. Air Force context with our OMS approach to our 
software builds. We were able to accelerate that work thanks to 
the resources that Congress provided.
    Senator Mullin. Well, the concern that I have is the lag 
between when we phaseout the E-3s to the E-7s. The timeframe 
continues to be pushed, but yet we are still staying similar to 
the same phaseout period.
    Now there seems to be about a 3-year lag between where the 
E-3s leave Tinker, to when the E-4s are supposed to start being 
delivered--or E-7s are supposed to be--start being delivered.
    Are we concerned about that, especially about some of the 
emerging threats that are taking place today and that there is 
going to be such a lag between?
    Mr. Hunter. So, the balance that we are striking there is 
the E-3s that we are retiring are not in a good position to 
really engage in the most significant fight that we are 
posturing to be ready for, which is the INDOPACOM, the 
potential conflict----
    Senator Mullin. But do we have to take the place between 
that 4-year lag, because it seems to be--continue to grow. We 
haven't delivered. General, if you want to----
    Mr. Hunter. Well, let me just make one point, which is 
critical to fielding the E-7 as quickly as possible is having 
those E-3 crews engaged with us in the acquisition system as we 
work with Boeing to nail down the configuration.
    But also, they are going to Australia and working with the 
E-7 community that is flying in Australia. I, myself had the 
opportunity to fly on the Australian E-7 and it is very 
impressive, and they have learned a lot in operating that 
platform. So, having those crews available is a huge accelerant 
to fielding the E-7.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, Senator. We have held the E-
3 divestiture schedule constant since we laid it in, so it has 
not changed. So far, the E-7 delivery schedule has stayed 
constant as well. So, that gap was programed in on purpose.
    We have preserved enough capacity in the airborne battle 
managers, the ABMers in the back to see to the E-7 so that it 
is ready to go. As Mr. Hunter mentioned, we are even sending 
them to Australia for training. But there are capability gaps 
in the airborne early warning portfolio that the E-3 will never 
fill.
    So, there is an issue of capacity, but really what we are 
getting at is capability, and we have to get to the E-7 to get 
that capability gap filled, and the way to get there as quickly 
as possible was for us to draw down the E-3 fleet in the 
meantime.
    Senator Mullin. From when that plan first came through to 
where we are at today, the threat has obviously increased. Are 
we trying to really ramp up the delivery time to get the E-7s--
you know, in operable conditions?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, sir, we are, and you will 
notice on the Chief of Staff's unfunded priorities list, the 
number one item is further acceleration of the E-7.
    Senator Mullin. I saw that. Right.
    Lieutenant General Moore. What that does is buy a center 
fuselage section, which is where the radar sits. That is the 
long lead item for another aircraft as well as early 
acquisition or advance procurement for two of the radars.
    So, we are--we believe that there is some acceleration 
possible. The first airplane can't come any sooner than fiscal 
year 2027, but they can come in greater quantity when they do 
start to come in, and that is what you see is the number one 
item on the Chief of Staff's.
    Senator Mullin. I know Tinker is getting ready for it, and 
they are prepping for it. They are getting hangars ready for 
it. You know, it is impressive, and so I appreciate the 
investment that is being made in Tinker and we want to be 
helpful. So, any way our office can be of assistance in this, 
please utilize us.
    Lieutenant General Moore. Sir, thank you.
    Senator Mullin. Thank you.
    Senator Kelly. Senator Blumenthal.
    Senator Blumenthal. Thank you very much, Senator Kelly. 
Thanks for yielding to me. I am very concerned about the combat 
rescue helicopter.
    We went back and forth about this platform for some time 
over the past few years, and I am particularly concerned that 
the additional ten combat rescue helicopters that we added last 
year have been put in backup inventory. I know you have 
difficult budget decisions.
    You have decided to terminate the program. We only have 75 
out of the 108 that are thought to be necessary. So, maybe you 
can tell me what your thinking is about terminating that 
program, when I think we all believe we have an obligation to 
leave nobody behind.
    Mr. Hunter. You know, let me just touch briefly on program 
status, but turn to my colleagues to speak through how we 
intend to CSAR with the fleet that we are fielding. But 
appreciate the resources Congress has provided for acquiring 
HH-60. We still have resources for 20 aircraft not yet on 
contract.
    So, we are not terminating, you know--as a, you know, 
acquisition term of art matter, the program. We are working 
through getting those 20 that have been appropriated on 
contract with Sikorsky. So, that is a decision being made just, 
you know, imminently in the next several days. So, we will, you 
know, fully execute with the resources Congress has provided.
    Senator Blumenthal. Where will that bring us in terms of 
the number of aircraft?
    Mr. Hunter. So that will be at 85 total inventory, and I 
know--I don't know if you want to talk, Rick, to the inventory 
question.
    Senator Blumenthal. 85 out of 108?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes, sir, and we believe that is 
more than sufficient to do combat search and rescue. There is a 
big distinction in this portfolio between combat search and 
rescue and personnel recovery. There are literally thousands of 
platforms in the Department of Defense that can do personnel 
recovery.
    This fleet is for something very specific. It was purchased 
for Iraq and Afghanistan. It is not particularly helpful in the 
Chinese AOR, and with that, I will pass to my colleague, 
General Slife.
    Lieutenant General Slife. Senator, we recognize the moral 
imperative, as you describe it, to leave nobody behind. The 
challenges that much like the infamous attempted rescue of Bat 
21 in Vietnam, no matter how dedicated you are, if you are not 
in a platform that is survivable to the threat environment, you 
end up losing more people trying to recover somebody than the 
person you lost to begin with.
    So, the challenge we are facing is really how to address 
the question of how will we do personnel recovery in a 
contested environment. We are actively looking at 
nontraditional ways in order to fulfill that moral imperative 
of leaving nobody behind.
    But until we can come to a definitive answer on that, I 
think the one thing we can say is that helicopters--and I have 
3,000 hours as a helicopter pilot. Helicopters that fly 150 
knots, refueled by C-130's with a pair of rescue men that ride 
a hoist up and down is probably not the answer in our most 
pressing scenarios.
    So, I share your concern about this mission area, Senator, 
and we believe that the force that we have programed bridges 
the gap until we can develop a more suitable solution for a 
contested environment.
    Senator Blumenthal. Well, I assume the nontraditional or 
more suitable means would be unmanned?
    Lieutenant General Slife. Senator, that is one of several 
options that we are looking at.
    Senator Blumenthal. Well, I would like to followup on what 
the other options would be, and whether they would be equally 
cost effective. Since my time is limited, I want to go on to F-
35s.
    You know, the numbers of F-35, I think are 48 per year over 
the next 5 years as compared to the full production rate, which 
would be 80 aircraft per year. We have been buying F-35s for 18 
years now--18, will be the 18th year.
    The production line is stable, but the Air Force is 
planning fewer than the 60 that would keep the production line 
stable. Maybe you could talk a little bit about that issue.
    Mr. Hunter. Yes. We have been working closely with Lockheed 
Martin, the prime, on production capacity. The most recent 
Block award is 3 lot block by contract with Lockheed Martin.
    Essentially keeps them at a production rate of 156 aircraft 
per year. That is for the entire F-35 enterprise, including 
allies and partners, as well as Air Force and Department of the 
Navy, and right now, they would be very stressed to produce at 
a rate beyond that.
    So, the Air Force purchases that we have planned today will 
fill--will largely fill the production capacity that Lockheed 
has. If we wanted to go to a higher production rate, we would 
probably have to tool, increase tooling, and one of the 
significant limiters there is the center body piece--the 
center----
    Senator Blumenthal. So, you are saying that the current 
rate of buy, it will keep the production line fully at work?
    Mr. Hunter. What we have in our budget request across the 
POM, combined with the Navy and the allied purchases----
    Senator Blumenthal. So, the allied purchases must be making 
up for some of the----
    Mr. Hunter. They are. They are a huge component of the 
program, and we see that, you know, since the conflict in 
Ukraine was initiated by Russia, we have had many additional 
partners and allies make the decision to purchase the F-35.
    Senator Blumenthal. Thank you. Thanks, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you, Senator. Secretary Hunter, I want 
to talk a little bit about the collaborative combat aircraft 
program that the Air Force is intended to begin.
    You know, I understand that the Air Force intends that the 
CCA program would not replace any current capability or 
platforms but would be an additional capability. It is intended 
to provide, you know, the additional missile carrying capacity 
and firing capability for our fighter forces.
    Essentially a wingman with no person in the aircraft. So, 
could you explain how the Air Force can afford to buy 
additional platforms to carry missiles and carry weapons when 
right now the budget doesn't really afford the ability to buy 
enough missiles to--and weapons to outfit the fighters that we 
currently own?
    Mr. Hunter. So, we do have substantial investments in our 
munitions portfolio and including multiyear production for 
AMRAAM and the JASSM, LRASM platform. So, we are at an 
increasing production rates of those munitions as well as JDAM, 
which by the time that we are fielding CCAs, will be entering 
our inventory.
    So, we have looked hard at how do we ramp up production of 
munitions, recognizing that that will be critical to our 
ability to deter and to succeed. The CCA in particular, as you 
see, it brings affordable mass on the platform side. We are 
also looking hard at our mix of munitions investment and trying 
to understand how do we have affordable mass for our munitions.
    So, some of our munitions will get cheaper as we ramp up 
production and we get more economies of scale in that 
production. Some of them are so high end that, you know, they 
probably won't ever be affordable mass. But we do have in our 
plan munitions that will be at a, you know, unit rate, unit 
cost that will allow us to scale up production of those 
weapons.
    Senator Kelly. Well, Mr. Secretary, that is good to hear. 
What I also thought I might hear is it is not just about the 
number of missiles we have.
    You did mention that this increases the number of platforms 
and the tactical advantage that you could gain from being able 
to, you know, put another platform in a strike package, doesn't 
have an individual in there that addresses the limited ability 
to recruit, retain experienced pilots.
    So, it touches on that problem that we are--we have to 
address in recruiting in general. But to have additional 
capability, especially with someone like AMRAAM coming from a 
different angle, could be an advantage on the battlefield and 
help us get air superiority.
    Can you also give just a quick update on how the 
development and testing, recognizing that this is not a 
classified setting, but the development and testing of this, 
what you are comfortable in saying, and how the warfighter 
perspectives are being considered and integrated into the 
program?
    Mr. Hunter. So, with CCA, we have the benefit that there 
has been ongoing work for some time with industry to understand 
what capabilities that they can provide and what timeframe in 
which they could provide those capabilities.
    So, we feel like we have a very good understanding of the 
state of industry, lots of U.S. industry, but also understand 
there is capability available from partner nations as well. The 
CCA program is going to be a fully competitive program.
    So, we will invite those that have been working with us in 
the concept definition phase of CCA to aggressively compete for 
our initial platform that we expect to field, and we will work 
to do some prototyping and do test of those aircraft.
    So, I think you will see a program structure that is very--
it is rapid. I think you will credit that it is rapid when you 
see the details and, but at the same time gives us that 
opportunity to really test out what industry is offering in a 
competitive environment.
    The last thing I wanted to mention is we are also 
leveraging the Skyward program from the Air Force Research Lab, 
which really is focusing on the autonomy end of this, and that 
will be continuously worked throughout the lifecycle of the CCA 
from the initial platform, through every one of its iterations. 
I don't know if----
    Senator Kelly. General.
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Chairman Kelly, as one of the 
warfighters who has been working with the acquirers in this 
program, one of the things that I think that Secretary Kendall 
and Secretary Hunter has done is we are working more closely 
with requirements programing and acquisition than I have ever 
seen.
    What that allows us to do is iterate in ways that are, I 
think, very beneficial. This program is going to be an 
iterative program. We do not know everything we need to know 
about this, and I can't require what CCAs are going to look 
like in 10 years.
    I think the technology is moving faster than we can keep up 
in certain areas. What I am very excited about is we have a 
plan to incorporate the tactics and the logistics concerns so 
that we can learn what an organization looks like to fly these, 
and I really want to complement our acquirers for that.
    Senator Kelly. Were you iterating on the level 1 
requirements for this platform, or is it just a----
    Mr. Hunter. So, we have--Sorry, that is your line--yes----
    Lieutenant General Hinote. We have set the first tranche 
requirements.
    Senator Kelly. Okay, and----
    Lieutenant General Hinote. We do have a threshold and 
objective, and so, there is a gap between the threshold 
requirement and the objective requirement, but we have set 
those.
    Senator Kelly. You know, it seems like one of these 
programs where we have got to invent, not just innovate, you 
know, invent things. You know, somebody recently mentioned the 
B-2 being in that category of aircraft whereas we developed it, 
a lot of the technologies weren't currently available.
    Because of that, we wound up with significant delays, cost 
overruns. They get rather expensive. I hope in this case, you 
know, we are aware of it and still try to--and I see the 
benefit in this capability. But I also am concerned that some 
of these technologies might be a little bit big of a leap, and 
we have got to be--we just have to be aware of it.
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, and so, our strategy is very much, we are 
being very disciplined on our initial requirements set, really 
scoping based on our work with industry, what we believe is 
achievable on the timeframe on which we are proposing to field.
    Then we will--there will be future increments and that is 
very much baked into our acquisition strategy, that--and that 
is true for the competitors, that those who may not be the 
lucky winners for initial increments are still very much in the 
game for later increments.
    Senator Kelly. Thank you. Senator Duckworth.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I humped over 
here as quickly as I could from that vote. Good afternoon to 
our witnesses. General Hinote, thank you for your years of 
service, and obviously to your family as well. In this--
gentlemen, in this Subcommittee's last hearing, we heard from 
the Army about its modernization efforts for weapons systems 
and organizations.
    I believe that the purpose of DOD modernization is to drive 
transformation across the joint force. General Hinote, the 
Marine Corps Force Design 2030 provides a detailed roadmap and 
vision for what its future force will look like.
    The document describes methodology for the study, 
identifies capability, identify capacity, and detail of the 
gaps, and details of the actual numbers of weapons systems and 
formations required to achieve the envisioned force design.
    I know the Air Force just unveiled your future operating 
concept document last month, which does list key airpower 
fights. But does the Air Force have a force design 2030 
comparable document to share with Congress?
    If not, what is informing the service's RTD&E investments, 
or shaping its recruiting and retention goals? How does the 
service measure modernization success if it doesn't have an 
explicit modernization roadmap?
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Senator Duckworth, thank you for 
that question. It is a question that comes up all the time when 
we talk about force design. So, I will start with, we have 
unveiled the future operating concept. You might consider that 
to be a part of the future force design. We also have other 
things that we are doing.
    I believe the operational imperatives that Secretary 
Kendall has us working on are very much a part of force design. 
They are closing gaps that we need. To get after your question, 
yes and no. So, we have a process--and force design is not a 
2030 or 2032 one-time thing.
    What we believe is we have a process, and ours goes out to 
beyond 2040, and we are constantly updating what the force 
should look like at any one point in time. Now, you absolutely 
can snap a chalk line and say in 2030 or 2032, this is what we 
think it is going to look like.
    We have that, and we would be happy to share. We don't have 
it in a paper form right now. What it is, though, is it is a 
series of concepts that we can show you and show you the 
analysis behind them. Unfortunately, that tends to go at a 
pretty high classification level, and so we would need to be 
able to show you in a classified setting.
    Mainly that is because these technologies that we are 
trying to incorporate into our force design are quite new and 
we don't want to give our playbook to China. So, and I actually 
do believe that they could derive some important insights if we 
were to publish something that--in an unclassified setting, but 
we would be more than happy to share what we have with you.
    Senator Duckworth. I am just concerned that the Air Force 
has some way of measuring modernization success, right, even if 
it is benchmarked as opposed to a timeline base. But there is 
got to be some way that you can measure that success and there 
is got to be some way that I can do my job here in Congress to 
make sure that we are keeping track of that.
    What Air Force efforts are underway to redesign Air Force 
formations or manning? General Slife and General Hinote, I 
think you can both take this. How is new technology affecting 
how the service organizes its personnel, right?
    This is followed on to that last question, is you have got 
to have some sort of a roadmap or plan, and we have got to be 
able to figure out how your successes are. But then how are you 
looking at your formation and person organization into the 
future?
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Senator Duckworth, you are 
exactly right. So, I will go very short and then hand off to 
General Slife. So, as we look and we see the pacing challenge 
is China, we know that we have to present a force that is 
different than the one that we have right now.
    A key component of that is the infrastructure, and we have 
huge investments in this budget to get after a Pacific 
infrastructure that allows us to present that force in the way 
that we need to.
    With that, I will hand over the General Slife, because the 
idea of a new way of presenting the force that is compatible 
with our pacing challenge and then a new way of generating the 
force is something that he is leading and making great progress 
in.
    Senator Duckworth. General Slife. Sorry I missed pronounce 
your name earlier.
    Lieutenant General Slife. No problem. Well, thank you. 
Senator Duckworth. You have your finger on a question that I 
spend many hours every week working on. To General Hinote's 
point about force presentation, just to be plain about what we 
are talking about, it is what is the element that the Air Force 
provides, the squadron, a group, a wing--what is the thing that 
the Air Force generates and provides.
    You know, the model that we have used for force 
presentation over the last 20 plus years since 9/11 has been a 
very ad hoc model. We deploy portions of units and aggregate 
them in a large main operating base someplace in the Mid-East 
and project air power from a largely secure, largely fixed main 
operating base.
    We have been able to get away with that because our 
adversary hasn't pressured us in the way that we think future 
adversaries can and will. So, as we look at the future 
operating environment, we recognize that we have to be much 
more agile.
    We have to be much more focused on those--what the rest of 
the Joint Force would call combat support and combat service 
support elements and how those things are packaged and 
generated in order to provide the platform from which we can 
project air power.
    So that--developing that force presentation model for the 
future is an enormous part of what I am working on right now. 
What I can tell you is that, and General Moore may be able to 
provide some of the programmatic detail underpinning this, is 
we have made significant investment in the budget before the 
Subcommittee today, significant investment in the capabilities 
we will need to support those agile combat employment type 
operations.
    You know, we have unit equipped ourselves to operate out of 
main fixed operating bases. You know, we may not need the 1.21-
gigawatt generator. We may need some, you know, 50 horsepower 
Honda generators that are much more mobile and enabled to be 
used in much smaller formations, and so, we are well ahead on 
that.
    Senator Duckworth. That leads to--I am over time but can--I 
have more questions here. Let me keep going till you cut me 
off. Thank you. General, did you want to add something to that?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Ma'am, I would just say in our 
operational imperative, in the U.S. Air Force's operational 
imperative portfolio, you will see that what General Slife was 
talking about is the number two investment.
    Collaborative combat aircraft is number one, and there is 
over $5 billion, of course, across the future years defense 
plan for pre-positioned equipment, repair of runways and fields 
that we haven't used since World War II, camouflage, 
concealment, and deception, and then the continuing sustainment 
tail that provides all of that into the future.
    Senator Duckworth. This is exactly what I am deeply 
concerned about, right, especially going into the Indo-Pacific. 
It is a very different way that we are going to be projecting 
our force into that region as opposed to EUCOM, you know, 
European command.
    I mean, I understand the AFFORGEN is supposed to provide a 
balanced and predictable fourth generation model, especially if 
you are looking at the geographic combatant commands.
    But does the fourth-generation model work for all Air Force 
units? Also, how do you balance the demands--the difference 
between what you need in Europe versus Indo-Pacific?
    Lieutenant General Slife. Senator, the Air Force's force 
generation model conceptually is a good model for all of us to 
think about, but it applies unevenly across the Air Force. The 
reason for that is because some forces have been assigned to 
combatant commanders, and the Air Force doesn't generate those 
forces. They are assigned on a day-to-day basis to the 
combatant commander.
    So, you can imagine we have an F-16 squadron in 
Spangdahlem, in Germany, for example, and, you know, if General 
Cavoli, the EUCOM Commander, wants to employ that F-16 
squadron, I don't have the ability to tell them, hey, sorry, 
they are in force generation right now, we will be back in 18 
months when they are available. I mean, that is an unacceptable 
answer.
    So those combatant command assigned forces are going to be 
employed by the combatant commander as they see fit. The F4 gen 
model that you are talking about is really for those forces 
that the institutional United States Air Force generates and 
deploys in support of those emergent requirements where 
combatant commanders ask for and need a fighter squadron over 
here--I need a tanker over here. Those are the forces that we 
generate.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you. So, moving on to the 
equipment, right, as we are looking at INDOPACOM and some of 
the new challenges--Secretary Hunter and General Moore, I think 
this probably comes to you.
    Secretary Kendall submitted a legislative proposal that 
provides a service rep acquisition funding authorities. I 
absolutely understand you need to be agile. We have new stuff 
coming out. and we need to be able get to it quickly. The 
funding authorities is to initiate new start development 
activities of emergent technological advancements up to $300 
million.
    Both NGAD and the next gen air refueling system, NGAS, 
require significant technological advances in order to become 
successful. How does this proposal from Secretary Kendall 
reduce the risk for development of NGAD and NGAS? Are there 
other areas in which these proposed authorities would be 
helpful?
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, I think there are absolutely other areas 
where it would be helpful, and I think we could use, you know, 
NGAD or NGAS as an exemplar. As we sit today, those programs 
are underway, and they are at a--well, at least NGAD is at a 
stage beyond what our legislative proposal would apply.
    So, I don't see us using it necessarily with NGAD because 
of the fact that it is already, you know, well on its way to--
as a program. But in principle, right, a similar idea applies 
in that those programs came out of a recognition of a change in 
the threat environment.
    In order to respond to that change in a threat environment, 
we understand that we have work to do, engineering work and 
technological work to find a solution and then field it as 
rapidly as possible.
    So, what the legislative proposal is designed to do is 
allow us to engage in early stage engineering in the year of 
execution, with congressional oversight and approval, without 
having to wait for a full year appropriation bill, which may be 
months or even in some cases years away, that we would then 
have to wait until we receive those funds.
    Senator Kelly. Secretary, I am going to ask you to pause 
there for a second. Senator Duckworth, I am going to turn it 
over to Senator Cotton, and then we will come back.
    Senator Cotton. Mr. Hunter, I would like to talk about 
logistics. The only way we can help to deter aggression and win 
any potential conflict in the Western Pacific in particular is 
by ensuring our logistics are second to none.
    That includes not just our munitions and fuel, but also the 
spare parts that are necessary to keep our aircraft flying. But 
reports from the GAO paint a pretty bleak picture of aircraft 
logistics, with the Air Force missing their mission capable 
rights for almost every aircraft every year, meaning that our 
aircraft aren't available to fly their required missions for a 
significant portion of time.
    This includes the F-35, which only had a 38 percent for 
mission capable rate in 2021, and the C-5, which has, according 
to a report, exhibited increasingly low aircraft availability 
and mission capable rates over time.
    A major contributor to this issue was identified as spare 
parts. If this is the state of our logistics in peacetime, I am 
troubled what it would look like in wartime when logistics are 
truly stressed by our own demands and by enemy action.
    Do these logistics challenges delay our ability to rapidly 
modernize our fleet, Mr. Hunter, since we have aircraft unable 
to fly and test new systems? Also do the challenges impact 
pilot production and training?
    Mr. Hunter. Senator, they absolutely do impact pilot 
production and training. In fact, that our current challenge 
with pilot production is very much tied to the challenges with 
sustaining the T-38 platform, which is one of the linchpins of 
our pilot production approach.
    A lot of that is driven by the age of our platform. A lot 
of it is driven by the engine which we are engaged in 
substantial work to help us manage through the current spare 
parts shortages, finding new sources of supply and second 
suppliers for those that may have shut down production in order 
to keep that engine operating until the T-7 is fielded, which 
will have a modern engine and we won't have quite the same 
challenge.
    So, it is absolutely an impact on pilot production. Impact 
on fielding of capability is a little bit dependent on the 
platform. In some platforms, our test capacity is very 
constrained and is a constraint on how quickly we can move. In 
some cases, that is where we are doing our greatest degree of 
modernization.
    So, for example, the B-52 is one where the extent of 
modernization on the B-52 is so large that it is, you know, it 
is a challenge to the capacity of the test fleet for that 
platform. When it comes to the F-35, it is a slightly different 
challenge. Right here, we don't have really old stuff. This is 
new stuff.
    In fact, one of the things that challenges there is, we 
were slow to stand up depot capacity, initial depot capacity 
for the F-35. That meant that when a part broke, instead of 
going to depot and getting fixed and coming back, we had to buy 
a new part.
    We can actually, you know, we can repair parts, generally 
speaking, faster than we can buy new unless--you know, unless 
they are off the shelf. So, that has been a big constraint and 
has driven a lot of our non-mission capable for supply dynamics 
on the F-35.
    But starting about a year ago, the Department committed to 
stick to the plan on depot stand up, and instead of diverting 
resources from depots into new aircraft production, we held the 
line, and with the help of Congress because you obviously 
provided funds for additional aircraft purchases, which made it 
easier to continue our depot stand up activities.
    So, we are actually now starting to burn down some of that 
challenge on parts for the F-35, but it is going to take us 
time to get there.
    Senator Cotton. Okay, General Slife.
    Lieutenant General Slife. Senator, thanks. I would just 
point out, much of what you are describing as what we call 
weapon system sustainment funding, which funds many of our 
repairable depot activities.
    A lot of the modernization, for example. This budget that 
is before you today is the highest in terms of the percentage 
of our WSS requirement that is funded since 2009. So, this 
issue that you have highlighted is absolutely an issue.
    It absolutely affects pilot production. It affects the 
number of hours that crews are flying in our operational units. 
We recognize the need to get over it. So, I think you will see 
a stair step approach to improving our weapon system 
sustainment funding over time.
    Senator Cotton. Yes, and the F-35 is moving to a so-called 
performance-based contract soon, is that correct?
    Mr. Hunter. So that is in work. Notionally, the current 
sustainment contract would finish around the end of this year, 
and we would put in place that next contract structure. We are 
working hard to have it be the case that that next contract 
structure is a performance-based logistics contract.
    But as you probably know, there is a congressional mandate 
that says we have to be able to certify that that PBL approach 
would meet certain benchmarks in terms of cost and performance.
    We obviously, we have to get there, working with the 
supplier. So, my hope and my expectation is we will get there. 
But if we can't get there, then we will not bring a PBL 
contract back that doesn't meet the requirement.
    Senator Cotton. Would you expect to extend that approach to 
any other aircraft?
    Mr. Hunter. Well, we do have performance-based logistics 
contracts on several of our platforms. I would say across the 
Air Force, we are probably not the largest user across the 
Department of Defense compared to some of the other services, 
but it does work in certain cases.
    You know, we obviously have to meet our statutory 
requirement for the organic industrial base, and most of our 
platforms that we are currently bringing on board, we are 
planning for organic sustainment.
    So, KC-46, B-21. So, most of my focus, honestly, is on 
making sure that that we stand up the organic depots, and we 
haven't been going after a lot of new PBLs in the Air Force.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you.
    Senator Kelly. Right. Secretary Hunter, I want to talk a 
little bit about the Compass Call aircraft. We have been 
pursuing a program to replace these EC-130's with the new EC-
37. This program is slated to replace 14 EC-130 aircraft with 
10 brand new EC-37s.
    In budget justification, Materiel indicates that we will 
only have 6 EC-37s from the program by the end of the future 
years defense program. This is only because that--I was able to 
push for fund procurement of four additional airplanes last 
year.
    Secretary Hunter, what steps could we take to accelerate 
recapitalization of this important capability? Are there ways 
to shorten the timeline in a responsible manner on this? If 
there is, by how much could we shorten the timeline?
    Mr. Hunter. Well, Senator, I appreciate the support that 
Congress has provided on this. There is a little bit of an 
issue of where the window applies when it comes to future years 
defense program.
    So, the four aircraft that Congress has appropriated 
dollars for that--in addition to the six that you saw that we 
will deliver within the FYDP, there is one that is right on the 
dividing line. So, the number seven is right on the dividing 
line of where the FYDP ends and the next FYDP begins.
    Then the other three are just after that window. So, all 
ten will deliver. Some of them are coming, you know, some 
months after the kind of end date of the current FYDP. So, I 
didn't want you to think that those aircraft are not happening. 
They are absolutely happening and will deliver. Just so happens 
they are just outside the FYDP.
    That is a long fuse from when you have appropriated the 
funding to us to when those aircraft will deliver.
    So, I will have to look into why that timeline is that 
long. You know, this is one case where we are going and 
acquiring used aircraft because the production line had closed. 
That does add some time and complexity versus an aircraft that 
you can just buy off the line.
    Senator Kelly. So, what is the risk--and maybe the General 
Hinote, or General Slife, or even General Moore could comment 
on what is the risk of conducting the mission with fewer 
aircraft?
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Chairman Kelly, right now, 
Secretary Kendall has us looking at the--what are we going to 
do about electronic warfare in the future. This is one of the 
questions that we are asking ourselves, is how many do you 
really need?
    Where I think, we are going to go from a design point of 
view is we are going to use the EC-37 as a pathfinder for the 
open mission systems that we will proliferate throughout our 
platforms. That will include platforms we could talk about in 
here and some that we can't. Those will be distributed in the 
battle space.
    The things that we are able to develop through the EC-37 
and the Spectrum Warfare Wing that we talked about before, 
because we are going to be using software defined apertures, we 
are going to be able to distribute out the electronic attack 
capabilities, or not.
    We will have to make some choices about where we will have 
to go. If that doesn't work, then I think we should go back and 
reassess where we are with the EC-37.
    If it does work, it can be incredibly powerful by 
distributing all of those electronic attack capabilities in a 
way that I think would be very difficult for any adversary to 
counter. So, we have got some.
    Senator Kelly. Is there a timeline to make that decision?
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Yes, sir. We need to get some 
EC-37s in the air and see how they are working. We also need to 
do a very solid threat analysis as we get them in the air 
versus the waveforms that we are going to field. That hasn't 
been done yet.
    We are--in fact, we are working on those with the new group 
that is studying the holistic electronic attack across the Air 
Force.
    Senator Kelly. When I joined the Armed Services committee, 
one of the big surprises that I experienced was when I found 
out the Air Force only had initially 14 EC-130's, you know, 
doing this mission.
    When you look at the Navy and even the Marine Corps, you 
know, had--the Marine Corps had probably a squadron and or two 
and the Navy had one in every air wing. So, it seems like a 
more substantial capability. Obviously, the way we operate the 
Air Force and the Navy are different.
    But this is a capability that I believe we all recognize 
that our main adversaries are--they do well and have been 
making some significant advancements in. So, I think it is 
important that we pay really close attention to this.
    I find the distributed EW capability an interesting idea, 
but we are going to have to see if we can actually implement 
that. Senator Duckworth.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Gentlemen, I am 
going to continue on my joint--my joint force train of thought. 
I know that the ranking member earlier asked a question about 
the CCA, the collaborative combat aircraft and its operability 
across the Air Force.
    At this month's Sea, Air, and Space Conference, the Navy 
actually highlighted its cooperation with Air Force in CCA 
development and even previewed the ability of the Navy to 
control Air Force CCAs and vice versa.
    Secretary Hunter, how closely are you working with your 
counterparts in the Department of the Navy to build 
interoperable weapons systems while not creating a whole bunch 
of new requirements that result in program delays or cost 
overruns?
    Also, how do you balance that interoperability with the 
speed necessary to field new technology? Importantly, how and 
when will you demonstrate to Congress to progress that--in 
these truly joint service CCAs? So, it is sort of a three-part 
question there.
    Mr. Hunter. Well, I would like to believe that we are 
demonstrating it today in terms of the work that we have done 
on the front end to plan the integration of our approaches. 
That is very much the case.
    So, the reference architectures that are the foundation of 
the underpinning of all our programmatic efforts tied to CCA, 
the Navy has indicated in testimony to me directly, but in 
testimony to Congress, that they are adopting the same 
approach, the same reference architecture.
    So that will dramatically improve our efforts, right. There 
is efficiency in it, but there is also power in it, 
particularly with industry, because it--for all of those 
capability providers out there who have innovative technology 
to bring, right, the market space has just doubled for them, so 
it becomes an even more attractive target for investment. I am 
seeing that response from industry.
    Their engagement level has been exceptionally high because 
they see that we are working closely together and giving them 
common approaches. Maybe not exactly common requirements, but 
very common approaches to how they can leverage technology. So, 
we are doing that on the front end.
    We are also leveraging each other. So, the Navy--it is not 
all. They are using our stuff, right. The Navy has quite a bit 
of work put in, particularly on things like comms and secure 
communications, that we can leverage and intend to leverage and 
are leveraging in our CCA approach.
    Also because of their work on the MQ-25, you know, they are 
going to have some systems that could potentially, you know, 
contribute information about how do we operate some of these 
uncrewed systems in a reasonable way.
    Then in other programs, I would say across the whole swath 
of our programs, we are trying, working hard to integrate our 
approach, and I think it is a very good news story.
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Senator Duckworth, can I add for 
the----
    Senator Duckworth. Please----
    General Hinote.--from the warfighter side. So, I have 
definitely been in contact with my counterparts throughout the 
Joint Force. One of the things that is quite different right 
now is that we have a joint warfighting concept that we can all 
reference, wargame together, learn from, and require to.
    That is just fundamentally a different thing, and there is 
a real momentum behind this joint warfighting concept. So, one 
of the ways that we have been able to work together in this CCA 
environment is to agree upon whether it is we want to do with 
them, at least at first.
    So, the Joint Staff sponsored a major war game last summer, 
I had the chance to participate, and one, I could say without 
giving too much away, one of the star players was the CCA, not 
only for the Joint Force, but also for the combined force, 
because the Australians participated in that war game as well, 
as well as the UK, and both of them brought their concepts for 
CCAs in.
    I think the idea that they have to be interoperable, you 
mentioned that the Navy could control our CCAs and vice versa--
we all agree on that, 100 percent. Because, and as the 
Secretary Hunter talked about, we were able to adopt 
communications standards between us, that is going to be so 
much easier to do.
    But what--I don't know that I have seen a capability that 
converged as fast across the joint force as what the CCAs have 
under the joint warfighting concept. So, we feel very good 
about investing as much as we have, and we are investing quite 
a bit.
    Senator Duckworth. Is it slowing down the speed for 
fielding new technology? I just want to make sure that we are 
balancing things out.
    I just think back to the days of the F-35, right, where we 
develop an aircraft that then actually couldn't land on a 
carrier, right, because the tailhook was not in the--was, you 
know, that the distance from the landing gear, the tail was not 
appropriate, right, so that slowed everything down.
    I am all for interoperability. I think it is great. I just 
want to make sure that we are handling that balance, that we 
can still field the new technology as rapidly as possible, but 
also maintaining that interoperability part.
    Mr. Hunter. Yes, I would say it is central to our approach 
to CCA, both with partner services but also with partners and 
allies, that we are not envisioning this where we all have to 
buy the same thing, or all from the same manufacturer.
    So, the power of these government reference architectures 
is they are, by design, able to integrate and interoperate, 
even if they come from different manufacturers, produced in 
different countries, bought by different services, and have 
slightly different mission roles.
    But the integration of the architecture, reference 
architecture level, and in the standards that are, you know, 
that support that architecture will enable the kind of 
interoperability and the efficiency.
    As I said, from the industry side, it creates a much bigger 
market space for them to compete for, which helps us drive that 
continuous competition, which is fundamental to our strategy to 
get there rapidly and to innovate over time.
    Senator Duckworth. Thank you. I just want to ask the 
ranking member, I know we are waiting--the chairman went off to 
vote and he is going to come back. I have another question, if 
you are--I don't know if you wanted to ask additional 
questions.
    Okay, thank you. This is now, I am going to go up to a very 
macro level. How does the Secretary of the Air Force's 
operational imperatives support the joint force?
    You know, can you comment on the efforts in your budgets 
where you can--where those efforts are supporting the joint 
force? Give some examples.
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Yes, Senator Duckworth. In fact, 
I believe the operational imperatives are truly imperative for 
supporting the joint force. I don't think the joint force wins 
if we don't close the gaps represented in the operational 
imperatives.
    I will start with the first operational imperative, which 
is space. I have never seen a scenario where the joint force is 
able to win if we lose access to space. It is that important. 
It is a prerequisite for victory.
    So, what you see is that we are investing in resilience in 
ways that we have not invested before, and we are able to 
proliferate the capability across different orbital structures 
as well as just across things like low-Earth orbit and the 
ability to use both commercial and military satellites as well.
    But that is just one of many. So, when you look at 
operational imperatives two, three, and four, we are really 
talking about our kill chains and how our kill chains come 
together. I don't mean Air Force kill chains, I mean joint kill 
chains.
    The core of the joint kill chains are represented in 
operational imperatives two, three, and four, as is the keys 
capability. It is, again, not an Air Force capability, a joint 
capability to establish air superiority, even just for windows 
of time. Because we know that China has invested well, they are 
worthy adversary, and we are going to have to fight very hard.
    That being said, two, three, and four can really help us 
when it comes to bringing the joint force together, aggregating 
to do the job, and the job that we are preparing for is to stop 
aggression from China.
    So operational imperative five gets after the 
infrastructure that we were talking about and the ability to 
operate off of these airfields. So, not only does it include 
things like refurbishing runways and proliferating the amount 
of bases that we can use, it also talks about pre-positioning 
and deception and other areas that help us in that.
    So, for many, many years, we have been the source for the 
Joint Force for Deep Strike and operational Imperative six gets 
after a new way of doing Deep Strike around the B-21 but making 
the B-21 better. Unfortunately, that is about all I can say 
here, but happy to go into it in another forum.
    Then operational imperative seven gets after the fact now 
that no matter where we are, we might be in your home State 
getting ready to deploy, or we might be on a Pacific Island 
somewhere, but anywhere in between, we are going to be 
resisted. Some of that resistance will be non-kinetic.
    We will have cyber-attacks. There will be--they will use 
space in a way that will make it very hard for us to move our 
logistics, what we expect to do, and they will try to slow us 
down in communication, being able to talk to each other. But as 
we get closer, they will start using everything in their 
portfolio and that will include kinetics as well.
    So, what operational imperative seven does is it examines 
our across the board ability to go to war and identifies the 
vulnerabilities. Now, the first step in closing of our ability 
is realizing they exist. We are finding a bunch, as you can 
imagine, but we are prioritizing them and knocking them out 
through operational imperative seven.
    So, to go back, where I think the Joint Force benefits from 
the operational imperatives is that with the joint warfighting 
concept that I referred to earlier is doable. You can achieve 
it if we close those operational imperatives.
    What I think that means is that even in the most difficult 
scenario, if you might think of a South China Sea scenario or a 
Taiwan defense scenario or helping Japan defend against China, 
those are tough scenarios.
    You have to go a long way to win those scenarios. But even 
in those scenarios, if we can close the gaps in the operational 
imperatives, it allows the joint force to come together. It is 
almost like we are the glue of the joint force.
    We bring it together to accomplish the mission, and one of 
the reasons why I am more optimistic than I have been in a long 
time is because we are actually investing in getting after 
these gaps.
    Senator Duckworth. Expand that to the combined force. You 
know, especially if you are looking at the Indo-Pacific region, 
right. You mentioned cyber, for example, and also space, where 
the disruptions are going to come from.
    We need to be sure, I would think that our allies are able 
to maintain cyber, and not just allies and partners, but also 
commercial partners that we are going to be relying on, 
especially when it comes to logistics in a contested 
environment. What are you doing there, and expand your 
discussion to the combined----
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Yes, ma'am. So, certainly, from 
the combined point of view, we see the ability for us to fight 
together, to be integrated as being the key. It is something we 
bring that China won't have.
    We have great allies and partners, and one of the things 
that has been a real joy for me is working with my counterparts 
in places like Australia, the UK, Japan, coming together and 
figuring this out. I will tell you, one of the things I have 
noticed recently is how serious Japan is about its defense. I 
think there is a major change there. It is a positive change 
for us.
    We have always had a very close relationship with the 
Japanese Self-Defense Forces, but now it is just going to that 
next level. Very happy about that. That allows us to plan 
together and it allows us to understand how they are going to 
fight and how we can communicate with them, command and 
control, in a way that is fully integrated, so we are truly a 
team.
    To get after the commercial side, that is a tough 
challenge. As you know, a lot of the computer systems that we 
have in our industrial base are unclassified and they may or 
may not be updated with the best software and things like that.
    So, as we look across that vulnerability, we see that there 
are key gaps we have to close and we are working with the 
companies to close those. But also, we know there is more to be 
done, and it is not just a military effort, it is a whole-of-
nation effort, and we know that China is going to test us in 
this area.
    I think we need to get ready for it, and I believe that 
people are waking up to the seriousness of that threat and they 
are asking for help.
    Senator Duckworth. I think the commercial side is where we 
have some real potential challenges. You know, I remember I was 
touring, when I was in Congress, a civilian contractor that had 
the contract to make lights more energy efficient on a major 
maneuver command in the Army, and I went to visit.
    They were very proud because they got this contract, small 
company, engineers and everything, and they are like, look, let 
me show you how I can turn the lights on and off at this major 
maneuver command in Texas. They were showing me how they were 
lowering it on this laptop.
    I said, is that a secure laptop? Because we just walked 
into this room and it was just left sitting there. They are 
like, oh, no, no, our chief engineer has a TS/SCI so it is 
okay. But the laptop is sitting there and they are very proudly 
showing me how they could, like, dim the lights and brighten 
the lights to save energy, but do you understand the 
implications of what you are talking--and they, you know, they 
were--they just cared about energy efficiency.
    So, there are--I think, the commercial sector is where we 
are going to have some real challenges. I also think, on top of 
that, you could also address, you know, you talk about Japan 
and UK and Australia, but, you know, there are other nations we 
have to deal with that may not be quite there, Indonesia, 
Philippines, you know, Thailand. I think that part of cyber, it 
is equally important to bring both those friends and allies 
along.
    Mr. Hunter. Well, I am going to talk mostly to the 
commercial part of the question, and I will just say, you know, 
things are moving fast.
    So, on the Philippines, I am now roughly 1 year in office, 
and that has been a huge shift in that--just in that 1 year of 
my current service. But on the commercial side, I would say we 
have forged very strong relationships that you might not have 
predicted three or 4 years ago with a lot of our commercial 
partners.
    That is true in commercial space. It is very much true in 
commercial networking and advanced compute capabilities, 
including folks helping us substantially to field robust, 
secure, cloud-based networking capabilities, which will enable 
us to do the kinds of things you were talking about, but 
securely for those kinds of critical capabilities, of which we 
have many.
    Senator Duckworth. Mr. Hunter, do you want to speak to some 
of our other partners out there or some of the nations where 
perhaps they need a little help moving their cybersecurity 
along? You can always get back to me on it.
    Mr. Hunter. We can get back to you----
    Senator Duckworth. Okay, thank you. Senator Cotton.
    Senator Cotton. General Moore, anything else in your 
purview that you would like to share with us today?
    Lieutenant General Moore. No, Senator. I think we touched 
on everything we wanted to make sure we talked about. Thank 
you.
    Senator Cotton. General Hinote, you have got 5 days left. 
What do you want to get off your chest?
    Lieutenant General Hinote. Well----
    Senator Cotton. Unburdened by concerns about the future----
    General Hinote:--everybody in the Pentagon is excited to 
hear--in all honesty, I have watched--for whatever reason, I 
have been in the Pentagon for a while now and know many of you 
in the room. I have watched this narrative unfold, this story 
unfolds.
    We have known we have needed change for many, many years, 
and it feels like we are finally maybe getting to a pivot point 
right now.
    That is exciting, but it is also scary because it could 
come off the rails right away and we don't want that. So, I am 
cautiously optimistic and I will be cheering from the 
sidelines.
    Senator Cotton. Mr. Hunter, General Slife, anything from 
you to close out?
    Mr. Hunter. I did want to mention. So, I think you raised 
it, sir, in your opening statement and I didn't touch on it as 
much as would have maybe been judicious on, the importance of 
our C3 battle management and ABMS related investments.
    So, all of the OIs, you know, you think how the OIs 
operate, they are all fundamentally trying to solve the same 
problem, which is the operational problem, the pacing 
challenge. There are sort of different frameworks for 
understanding and decomposing that problem. They all recompose 
when you look at OI two and ABMS and C3BM.
    To make progress on all of the different OI's, we have to 
be able to deliver that. We have got a pretty substantial 
investment resource increase in our budget for that and we very 
much ask your support for that.
    I think we have worked very hard to, with the new PEO, to 
bring a lot of acquisition rigor and engineering insight, and a 
lot of a richer set of program activities that you can see when 
they will deliver results that will be meaningful. So, I think 
we have come a long way and we ask for your support for that 
request.
    Senator Cotton. Thank you, Senator.
    Lieutenant General Slife. Senator, we have talked a fair 
bit today about things like electronic attack, and apertures, 
and the need to be able to close long range kill chains at 
scale. One of the things that underpins all of that is the 
electromagnetic spectrum.
    So, as I believe you are tracking, there are considerations 
about selling access to the electromagnetic spectrum. There is 
a study going on right now that should be finished, I believe, 
in September, that will kind of inform the Defense Department's 
position on this.
    I don't know what that study is going to say, but I would 
just encourage the Subcommittee to remain witting to the 
potential national security impacts of the loss of spectrum for 
some of our key capabilities. Thank you, Senator.
    Senator Cotton. Okay, all right, gentlemen. Thank you all 
for your appearance today. Thank you for your service to our 
Nation. The hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 4:07 p.m., the Committee adjourned.]

    [Questions for the record with answers supplied follow:]

               Questions Submitted by Senator Tom Cotton
                  collaborative combat aircraft (cca)
    1. Senator Cotton. Lieutenant General Moore, it was stated that the 
Department is leveraging things like Artificial Intelligence and 
Autonomy to underpin the development of Collaborative Combat Aircraft. 
Is Artificial Intelligence and/or Autonomy a requirement for 
Collaborative Combat Aircrafts?
    Lieutenant General Moore. The goal of Collaborative Combat Aircraft 
is to allow the Air Force to generate sufficient deployable combat 
power, credible and affordable mass, and enhanced forward force posture 
while minimizing human exposure to risk. To field this capability, 
initial variants will follow deterministic autonomy logic with more 
sophisticated AI-derived behaviors being integrated as technology 
matures. As CCAs will be required to meet mission objectives without 
direct command from human operators when operating in highly contested 
environments where communication may be difficult. The Air Force is 
exploring options to include an appropriate level of human involvement 
in kill chain decisions to use lethal force.

    2. Senator Cotton. Lieutenant General Moore, is the Department of 
the Air Force committed to fielding these unmanned systems as 
expeditiously as possible without letting the development of Artificial 
Intelligence and Autonomy technologies slow things down?
    Lieutenant General Moore. Yes--the CCA acquisition strategy 
requires an incremental approach with an open architecture. This will 
allow the Department to field available, proven technologies quickly 
while investing in autonomy maturation to support future fielding. The 
incremental approach enables us to leverage a broader industry base and 
bring in small, software-first businesses that have niche capabilities 
in autonomy or AI. Parallel to this acquisition strategy, we will 
concurrently research and validate autonomy through Project VENOM and 
explore non-materiel aspects of autonomous capability with an 
Experimental Operations Unit.

    3. Senator Cotton. Lieutenant General Moore, with one of the 
missions of Collaborative Combat Aircraft being electronic warfare--has 
there been any consideration to upgrading and more widely deploying low 
cost, currently available items like the miniature air launched decoy-
jammer to meet this mission set in the near-term? Or putting jamming 
pods on aircraft already fielded?
    Lieutenant General Moore. The Air Force is focusing our initial 
Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) efforts on augmenting our shooters 
by increasing our weapons delivery capacity. We are currently procuring 
10x EC-37B Compass Call aircraft to replace the EC-130H Compass Call, 
as our premier Airborne Electromagnetic Attack Offensive Counter 
Information weapon system; the first five aircraft are scheduled to 
deliver in fiscal year 2025. Our investment in the EC-37 System-Wide 
Open Reconfigurable Dynamic Architecture (SWORD-A) will deliver 
capability in a software-defined open architecture, enabling faster 
system updates and delivery of advanced applications needed to counter 
rapidly evolving threats. Additionally, our most modern platforms are 
equipped with integrated, highly survivable electromagnetic warfare 
capabilities.
                               logistics
    4. Senator Cotton. Secretary Hunter, what steps are we taking now 
to train and evaluate our logistics systems for operations in a great 
power conflict where logistics will be heavily contested?
    Mr. Hunter. To achieve resilient basing, the DAF has developed a 
new concept, Agile Combat Employment (ACE), that uses a hub and spoke 
system of alternative bases that are resilient to attack. This concept 
is sound, but a cost-effective mix of investments is necessary to make 
ACE effective. The fiscal year 2024 budget request includes funding to 
mature Agile Combat Employment operations, which enables mission 
execution in a contested environment. The fiscal year 2024 budget 
request demonstrates our commitment to distributed, resilient basing by 
prepositioning key support equipment and providing training that will 
allow combat sorties to launch and recover at expeditionary airfields. 
These investments sustain support to the joint force, our hardware, and 
our most important asset--our airmen.
                           system development
    A Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency study on Capability 
Fielding showed that development times for new military aircraft have 
increased dramatically since the 1970's with recent systems like the F-
35 taking over 20 years to go from project initiation to Initial 
Operational Capability. A significant component of that increase was 
test and evaluation which has increased 1000 percent since the 1970's. 
This increase in development time can obviously lead to having obsolete 
technology at fielding and aggravate a need to ``gold-plate'' 
requirements that drives up cost and risk to programs.
    5. Senator Cotton. Secretary Hunter, with test and evaluation as a 
leading contributor of expanding acquisition times; what if any steps 
are being taken to safely accelerate test and evaluation execution?
    Mr. Hunter. Data has shown that delays to program timelines 
identified within the test phase are rarely attributable to problems in 
test execution. Most test delays are caused by problems with hardware 
or software. Modern challenges like robust cross-system integration and 
the cyber domain have drastically increased the complexity of Test. 
Faced with the need to reevaluate how we view and execute Test, the Air 
Force has begun an initiative termed ``Accelerate Test or Lose.'' 
(ATOL). In close collaboration with the acquisition community, ATOL 
will leverage best practices in acquisition/test policy, digital 
engineering, modeling and simulation, and digital ranges to address and 
mitigate sources of delays with the goal to accelerate development and 
delivery of safe, reliable, and sustainable capabilities to the 
warfighter. While currently still in progress, ATOL has uncovered 
several potential changes with high impacts to fielding capabilities 
faster. The Air Force will begin implementation of easy change/high-
impact options as early as late fiscal year 2023.

    6. Senator Cotton. Secretary Hunter, what investments are you 
making into the test infrastructure, and what is the expected impacts 
of those investments?
    Mr. Hunter. The Air Force is actively working to sustain, renovate 
and modernize our test infrastructure in alignment with the strategic 
initiatives laid out by the Department of Defense. Test infrastructure 
within the Air Force, and DOD, is the foundation of the Nation's 
ability to develop, mature, and field our most critical defense 
systems. Our aging test infrastructure is highly specialized and must 
be modernized in both capability and throughput to confidently defeat 
near-peer adversaries. Key areas of our test infrastructure 
modernization efforts include electronic warfare (kill chains), 
hypersonics, and nuclear modernization with active investments 
including $111 million in new facilities for the Joint Simulation 
Environment (JSE) at Nellis AFB (NV), Edwards AFB (CA), and the Eglin 
Cyberspace Facility (FL). These new facilities/capabilities enable the 
Air Force and DOD to conduct joint, multi-domain, high-fidelity virtual 
test and training events, in a secure, adaptable, and scalable 
environment which replicates robust open air test and training, 
increasing aircrew proficiency and lethality. Additionally, the Air 
Force is leveraging hypersonic technology through various congressional 
adds and service investments to upgrade arc heater facilities, wind 
tunnels, and sled tracks, to bring hypersonic capabilities to the 
warfighter sooner. These updates, amongst others, are vital to the 
Nation's ability to fight and win wars of the 21st century.

    7. Senator Cotton. What lessons from the F-35 are being applied to 
accelerate Next Generation Air D and Collaborative Combat Aircraft 
fielding?
    Lessons learned from the F-35 program are an integral part of the 
strategy and planning for the NGAD Family of Systems (FoS) acquisition. 
NGAD FoS are structured to ensure a much higher degree of design 
maturity than F-35 before start of production. They are built on the 
foundation of a government reference architecture that both avoids 
vendor lock and ensures the adoption of mature mission systems early in 
the program's life cycle. NGAD will ensure continuous competition. 
Unlike the F-35 development, the NGAD FoS approach, which includes 
Collaborative Combat Aircraft and the NGAD Platform, will employ 
digital engineering, digital sustainment, agile software development, 
and government-owned open system architectures.
                               datalinks
    8. Senator Cotton. Lieutenant General Hinote, Secretary Hunter 
mentioned previously that the ability for systems to work together is 
essential, and it is imperative to create data linkages between 
platforms in order to ensure those systems can work together. These 
linkages presumably, are also a pre-requisite for control of the 
Department's Collaborative Combat Aircraft. With platforms like the F-
35, F-15EX, and F-22 all having different datalinks, are there steps 
being taken to coordinate common datalinks across weapon systems and 
across the military services? With the KC-46 stated to be a critical 
network node, are there any concerns with creating a single point of 
failure or that the KC-46 will be too far from forward systems to be 
effective?
    Lieutenant General Hinote. The Air Force, in conjunction with the 
Navy, is pursuing development and integration of next-generation line 
of sight (LOS) and beyond-line-of-sight (BLOS) data link capabilities. 
These new capabilities align with the Department of the Air Force 
Operational Imperatives and are informed by the future threat 
environment. Primary design objectives for these new capabilities 
include interoperability across all platforms required to enable long-
range kill chains, as well as interconnectivity with future aerial and 
space-based network architectures. Although the KC-46 is envisioned as 
operating outside the contested environment and thus will not 
necessarily require the exquisite data link features of forward 
platforms, connectivity for command and control (C2) and general 
situational awareness is still needed. The Air Force is actively 
working to modernize current Link 16 capabilities to improve 
connectivity and survivability, ensuring communications resilience 
across key platforms such as the KC-46.