[Senate Hearing 118-602]
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                                                        S. Hrg. 118-602

               HOUSE REPUBLICAN SUPPLEMENTAL IRS FUNDING
                 CUTS: ANALYZING THE IMPACT ON FEDERAL
                LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE FEDERAL DEFICIT
                
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                                HEARING

                               before the

                          COMMITTEE ON FINANCE
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION
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                              MAY 16, 2023
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                          COMMITTEE ON FINANCE

                      RON WYDEN, Oregon, Chairman

DEBBIE STABENOW, Michigan            MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
MARIA CANTWELL, Washington           CHUCK GRASSLEY, Iowa
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey          JOHN CORNYN, Texas
THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware           JOHN THUNE, South Dakota
BENJAMIN L. CARDIN, Maryland         TIM SCOTT, South Carolina
SHERROD BROWN, Ohio                  BILL CASSIDY, Louisiana
MICHAEL F. BENNET, Colorado          JAMES LANKFORD, Oklahoma
ROBERT P. CASEY, Jr., Pennsylvania   STEVE DAINES, Montana
MARK R. WARNER, Virginia             TODD YOUNG, Indiana
SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, Rhode Island     JOHN BARRASSO, Wyoming
MAGGIE HASSAN, New Hampshire         RON JOHNSON, Wisconsin
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada       THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts      MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee

                    Joshua Sheinkman, Staff Director
                Gregg Richard, Republican Staff Director

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                          OPENING STATEMENTS

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Wyden, Hon. Ron, a U.S. Senator from Oregon, chairman, Committee 
  on Finance.....................................................     1
Thune, Hon. John, a U.S. Senator from South Dakota...............     3

                               WITNESSES

Sarin, Natasha, Ph.D., associate professor, Yale Law School, Yale 
  School of Management; and former Treasury Counselor for Tax 
  Policy and Implementation, New Haven, CT.......................     5
Fort, John D., director of investigations, Kostelanetz, LLP; and 
  former Chief, Criminal Investigation, Internal Revenue Service, 
  Washington, DC.................................................     7
Sepp, Pete, president, National Taxpayers Union, Washington, DC..     9
Edwards, Chris, Kilts Family Chair in Fiscal Studies, Cato 
  Institute, Washington, DC......................................    10

               ALPHABETICAL LISTING AND APPENDIX MATERIAL

Edwards, Chris:
    Testimony....................................................    10
    Prepared statement...........................................    43
Fort, John D.:
    Testimony....................................................     7
    Prepared statement...........................................    48
    Responses to questions from committee members................    56
Johnson, Hon. Ron:
    Letter to Chairman Wyden et al. from Empower Oversight and 
      Nixon Peabody LLP, May 15, 2023............................    57
Sarin, Natasha, Ph.D.:
    Testimony....................................................     5
    Prepared statement...........................................    58
Sepp, Pete:
    Testimony....................................................     9
    Prepared statement...........................................    66
    Responses to questions from committee members................    90
Thune, Hon. John:
    Opening statement............................................     3
Wyden, Hon. Ron:
    Opening statement............................................     1
    Prepared statement...........................................    93
    Letter to Senators Wyden and Crapo from the Federal Law 
      Enforcement Officers Association, May 15, 2023.............    94

                             Communication

Center for Fiscal Equity.........................................    97

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                   HOUSE REPUBLICAN SUPPLEMENTAL IRS
                 FUNDING CUTS: ANALYZING THE IMPACT ON
                        FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
                        AND THE FEDERAL DEFICIT

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                         TUESDAY, MAY 16, 2023

                                       U.S. Senate,
                                      Committee on Finance,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The hearing was convened, pursuant to notice, at 10:06 
a.m., in Room SD-215, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Ron 
Wyden (chairman of the committee) presiding.
    Present: Senators Cantwell, Menendez, Carper, Brown, 
Bennet, Casey, Warner, Whitehouse, Cortez Masto, Grassley, 
Thune, Daines, Johnson, Tillis, and Blackburn.
    Also present: Democratic staff: Patricio Gonzalez, Senior 
Investigator; Eric LoPresti, Detailee; Sarah Schaefer, Chief 
Tax Advisor; Joshua Sheinkman, Staff Director; and Tiffany 
Smith, Deputy Staff Director and Chief Counsel. Republican 
staff: Michael Gould, Detailee; and Don Snyder, Senior Tax 
Counsel.

      OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. RON WYDEN, A U.S. SENATOR
          FROM OREGON, CHAIRMAN, COMMITTEE ON FINANCE

    The Chairman. The Finance Committee will come to order.
    In recent months, the committee has held three hearings, 
two with Commissioner Werfel and one with Secretary Yellen, in 
which Republicans have attacked the Inflation Reduction Act 
funding for the IRS. The first bill that the House Republicans 
passed in 2023 repealed the bulk of the funding.
    Repeal is the centerpiece of Speaker McCarthy's default 
plan, which would also destroy 780,000 jobs and increase the 
odds of a recession. By all outward appearances, repealing this 
funding is the Republicans' top economic priority. That is why 
the Finance Committee meets this morning to break down, point 
by point, all the harm repealing would do, especially as part 
of the overall McCarthy plan.
    First, I would like to focus on the major setback for 
criminal law enforcement. As a way to frighten typical 
taxpayers, Republicans have fabricated a whole score of stories 
about 87,000 armed agents busting down the doors at local 
businesses and people's homes. This is nonsense.
    The truth is, the IRS has a modest but critically important 
team of law enforcement personnel. They work on busting human 
trafficking rings, drug cartels, and enablers of child 
exploitation. They root out individuals and groups who finance 
the terrorists. They help crack down on criminal tax fraud and 
evasion, including the kind of evasion the Finance Committee 
identified with our 2-year investigation of how Swiss bank 
Credit Suisse enabled a group of dual U.S. and foreign citizens 
to cheat on paying U.S. taxes.
    At the moment, the IRS Criminal Investigation division is 
working with partners in Ukraine to hunt down crooks who are 
evading sanctions on Russia. Recently, Criminal Investigation 
collaborated with the FBI, the Department of Justice, and law 
enforcement partners around the world on the largest fentanyl 
distribution takedown in history. It resulted in hundreds of 
arrests and the seizure of $54 million and 850 kilograms of 
drugs, including the equivalent of millions of lethal doses of 
fentanyl.
    Republican cuts reduced the workforce of Criminal 
Investigation special agents by 26 percent. Democrats passed 
IRA funding to help rebuild it, but Republicans now wish to 
repeal those funds. Others say that the funding ought to be 
targeted elsewhere. So to me, the question is, colleagues, if 
you want to cut this enforcement spending, which criminal 
activity do you propose letting slide: drug rings, money 
laundering, sex trafficking, child abuse?
    Yesterday, addressing this issue, the committee received a 
letter from the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association 
opposing the Republican plan. This is a group representing tens 
of thousands of Federal law enforcement officers from across 
dozens of agencies. Without objection, I will put that into the 
hearing record.
    [The letter appears in the appendix beginning on p. 94.]
    The Chairman. The second issue: coming off the smoothest 
tax filing season in many years, the McCarthy repeal plan would 
once again clobber taxpayer service and force Americans to 
spend hours waiting on hold, with all that music, for the IRS.
    House Republicans are hiding the ball on this issue. The 
McCarthy plan would leave the temporary IRA funding for 
taxpayer service in place, and Republicans will insist that is 
proof that they are interested in maintaining better service.
    Here is what the Republicans aren't telling the American 
people. The McCarthy plan would also hit the IRS with across-
the-board budget cuts just like the ones that steadily wrecked 
taxpayer services before the Democrats were able to start 
fixing things last year. Nobody is asking for a return to 10- 
or 15-percent call response rates at the IRS.
    Third, the McCarthy plan to repeal the IRS funding would 
lead to a $120-billion increase in the deficit. How would this 
plan offset the deficit increase? By kicking people off their 
health insurance, increasing child hunger, worsening education, 
weakening border security--and those are just a few of the 
examples.
    With that said, if you want to see who are the big winners 
of the McCarthy IRS defunding plan, it is billionaires and 
corporations who cheat on their taxes. The Inflation Reduction 
Act funding for the IRS was designed to make sure everybody 
paid what they owe. Repealing that funding is a $191-billion 
giveaway to wealthy tax cheats.
    The effect of Republican IRS cuts has been clear. From 2010 
to 2017 when the Republicans cut most aggressively, in terms of 
the IRS, audit rates for millionaires went down 77 percent; for 
large corporations, 44 percent; complex partnerships, down 80 
percent.
    Performing those audits takes a lot of hard work by skilled 
staff, and the IRS has lost 40 percent of those agents. 
Republican cuts shifted the burden of tax enforcement onto 
working people. That is because auditing them is easy. An audit 
of a simple individual's taxpayer return takes 5 hours on 
average. Auditing a higher-
income tax cheat takes an average of 250 hours. Corporate 
audits and audits of large, complex partnerships can take even 
longer, sometimes several years. They require big teams with 
lots of expertise.
    Republican budget cuts systematically dismantled much of 
that expertise in the previous decade, and the McCarthy plan 
would decimate it in the years ahead. I will close by saying 
the McCarthy plan, in my view, will lead to more tax evasion by 
the very, very wealthy; worse taxpayer service for law-biding 
Americans; and especially, colleagues--this is why I documented 
example after example--fewer prosecutions of drug cartel 
members, sex criminals, sanctions evaders, and money 
launderers. There is not a member I know of who supports those 
objectives, but that is what is really involved here.
    Lots to discuss. I look forward to hearing from our 
witnesses. Senator Thune is our ranking member today. We always 
like working with him.
    Senator Thune?
    [The prepared statement of Chairman Wyden appears in the 
appendix.]

             OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN THUNE, 
                A U.S. SENATOR FROM SOUTH DAKOTA

    Senator Thune. Thank you, Chairman Wyden, and while Ranking 
Member Crapo is unable to attend due to a prior commitment, it 
is a pleasure to briefly fill in on his behalf, and I look 
forward to continue working with all of my colleagues on this 
committee, especially in regard to responsible stewardship of 
taxpayer dollars.
    Today, we are going to discuss the IRS's supplemental 
funding provided in the so-called Inflation Reduction Act. The 
chairman has particular interest in the House-passed Limit, 
Save, and Grow Act, and how it could impact IRS enforcement 
activities.
    Since the Finance Committee has yet to hold a hearing 
dedicated specifically to the $80-billion allocation, I find it 
curious that some prefer to focus on a House bill related to 
this funding, rather than the effectiveness or oversight of the 
funding itself. Nevertheless, here we are.
    Last August, with the narrowest of majorities, Democrats 
gave the IRS approximately $80 billion, a sum equal to six 
times the agency's 2022 budget. Of the $80 billion provided the 
IRS, more than half, about $46 billion, is directed toward 
enforcement activities, which includes increasing audits and 
hiring more enforcement agents.
    But only 4 percent of the $80 billion--4 percent--was 
earmarked for improving taxpayer services. That it is an 
overwhelmingly disproportionate amount directed to increased 
enforcement compared to the taxpayer services. The National 
Taxpayer Advocate herself criticized the lopsided funding for 
enforcement.
    Since the IRA's enactment, Democrats have doubled down and 
made calls to further super-size the IRS's enforcement arm. The 
President's budget seeks an additional $29 billion, on top of 
the $80 billion in supplemental funding to the IRS, for 
enforcement--again, in addition to the $46 billion for 
enforcement the IRS received only months ago.
    For context, the IRS's supplemental enforcement funding 
amount alone eclipses appropriations for Customs and Border 
Protection, which received approximately $18 billion in total 
this year. Based on funding priorities, it seems the Democrats' 
intent is to create a bigger, more intrusive enforcement-
focused agency without annual accountability to taxpayers and 
Congress.
    While Republicans are open to discussions about IRS 
resources, efficiency, accountability, and improvements to 
taxpayer services should be prioritized, all of which are 
lacking in the Inflation Reduction Act. Some on the other side 
of the aisle will say that the IRS needed $80 billion to 
address the tax gap, refill the agency's coffers, and tune up 
the agency's customer service. But that is hardly the case.
    First, the tax gap. The difference between taxes owed and 
paid has been steady for decades, and this committee should 
pursue bipartisan measures to narrow it. But any such effort 
must strike the appropriate balance between taxpayer 
responsibilities and taxpayer rights. Simply flooding the IRS 
with $80 billion in unchecked resources will not magically 
yield $700 billion in additional tax revenue, a fanciful 
estimate that President Biden made 2 years ago.
    Policymakers need to be honest about what is doable with 
respect to the tax gap, and instead focus on encouraging 
voluntary compliance, as the current and former National 
Taxpayer Advocates argue. It should also be noted that tax 
compliance levels in the U.S. remain substantially unchanged 
since at least the 1980s.
    According to recent IRS data, about 84 percent of taxes 
were paid voluntarily and on time. After enforcement efforts 
and late payments were taken into account, about 86 percent of 
taxes were paid. As the former Taxpayer Advocate Nina Olson has 
said, most Americans pay their taxes voluntarily, and data show 
that increased enforcement adds a small fraction to what the 
government collects.
    Second, IRS budgets have been generally stable for at least 
the past 2 decades. Aside from the agency's all-time high 
budget of 2010, which spiked under all-Democrat rule, the IRS's 
funding has remained broadly in line with historic norms.
    The argument the Republicans have somehow starved the 
agency simply does not hold, and to the extent that IRS budgets 
have been out of the norm, there is a lot of direct correlation 
with the decline in employee head count that some of my 
Democrat colleagues claim. The IRS's employee head count has 
been declining for several decades, regardless of the growth or 
contraction of the IRS's budget across dozens of Congresses and 
multiple presidential administrations.
    Third, the IRS's recent funding windfall lacks any binding 
reports or oversight measures. As Ranking Member Crapo recently 
put it, and I quote, ``The IRS has embarked on a spend first, 
plan later approach that is not transparent or responsible, and 
is a sure-fire recipe for error, waste, and mismanagement.'' I 
have to say, I could not agree more.
    The IRS's Inflation Reduction Act strategic operating plan, 
which was recently released more than 45 days late, was big on 
platitudes but short on details. But I was interested and 
disturbed to learn from the plan that the IRS intends to spend 
$3.8 billion of the allocated $80 billion on ``energy 
security.'' Energy security, by the way, in this context, means 
implementing the IRA's climate tax agenda. By almost any 
reasonable measure, the nonbinding plan is instructive in how 
ineffectual a plan is without timely updates, clear data on 
costs, and meaningful oversight from Congress. To address this 
gap and to better track taxpayer services, I introduced the IRS 
Funding Accountability Act with Senator Grassley, and the 
Increase Reliable Service Now Act with Senator Collins.
    Pumping the brakes on new enforcement activities from the 
$80-billion funding allocation until basic accountability 
measures are met does not amount to protecting wealthy tax 
cheats, as some have suggested. It is about the responsible 
stewardship of taxpayer dollars.
    We have an excellent panel before us today. Thank you all 
for being here, and I look forward to hearing your testimony.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Thune, and we are going to 
have a spirited discussion. Let me introduce our guests.
    Professor Sarin is an associate professor of law at Yale 
Law School, and she has talked with us often over the years on 
tax issues, and we appreciate her good work.
    Mr. Fort is the director of investigations at Kostelanetz, 
LLP. He served as Chief of Criminal Investigation at the IRS, 
and I think his testimony today and his availability for 
questions will be very helpful.
    Our next witness is Mr. Sepp, president of the National 
Taxpayers Union. He leads NTU's government affairs effort. 
Before coming to NTU, he served with the St. Louis County Board 
of Elections and with the U.S. Senate campaign. I have talked 
to Mr. Sepp often over the years.
    And then we have Mr. Chris Edwards, the Kilts Family Chair 
in Fiscal Studies at the Cato Institute.
    All of these individuals are experienced. We are going to 
have a good debate. Let us start with you, Dr. Sarin. We are 
going to make your prepared remarks a part of the record in 
their entirety. If you could summarize your views, that would 
be very helpful.
    Dr. Sarin?

     STATEMENT OF NATASHA SARIN, Ph.D., ASSOCIATE PRO-
      FESSOR, YALE LAW SCHOOL,  YALE SCHOOL OF MANAGE-
      MENT; AND FORMER TREASURY COUNSELOR FOR TAX POL-
      ICY AND IMPLEMENTATION, NEW HAVEN, CT

    Dr. Sarin. Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Thune, and 
members of the committee, thank you for inviting me to share my 
views on the generational opportunity to improve our tax system 
presented by the Inflation Reduction Act's $80-billion 
investment in the IRS.
    One of the privileges of my time at the Treasury Department 
was having a chance to travel and visit IRS campuses across the 
country. I traveled to Kansas City to meet employees who gifted 
each other the red pens they needed to circle line items on 
returns that they would transcribe by hand, because the IRS 
could not afford to buy them. I traveled to Austin, where 
unprocessed returns dating back to the pandemic were stacked in 
the cafeteria, because there was nowhere to store them. I 
traveled to Ogden, UT to an IRS job fair, where front-line 
employees were pridefully recruiting future civil servants, 
describing the months they had spent in person at the outset of 
the pandemic ensuring that the tax system would continue to 
run.
    The case for the Inflation Reduction Act's much-needed 
investment in this beleaguered agency is clear. That said, it 
is unlikely that the IRS is going to win a popularity contest 
any time soon. One IRS colleague explained the reality to me as 
such: no one likes the IRS, and that is okay. We are the tax 
collector. Who is going to like the tax guys?
    Even though the IRS might not be the most popular part of 
the U.S. Government, it is among the most important. The agency 
collects 96 percent of the revenue that funds the government. 
It touches just about every American household and business 
each year.
    Over the last several years, it was responsible for 
disbursing critical support to millions of families. It has 
done all this for far too long without the resources in place 
to serve American taxpayers, or administer the tax laws the way 
the American people deserve.
    Now, thanks to the IRA, all that has changed. Already this 
filing season, the IRS achieved an 87-percent level of service, 
and those backlogs are gone, and IRS employees have their 
cafeteria back.
    The IRS has also begun to overhaul its tax compliance 
efforts. This is an area where the agency's work has been 
subject to substantial confusion and misinterpretation. So I 
would like to make four points about noncompliance in our tax 
system, and the importance of the IRA's investment.
    First, the tax gap--the difference between owed and 
collected taxes--is large, more than 2 percent of GDP on an 
annualized basis, or about $600 billion a year. To get a sense 
of that magnitude, consider this. If the United States was able 
to collect the taxes that are already on the books absent any 
other changes, the deficit would shrink by nearly half.
    Second, the tax gap is concentrated. The top 1 percent is 
responsible for nearly 30 percent of the measured tax gap, and 
that number is likely an understatement, because the IRS has 
struggled to estimate the noncompliance of high-income 
individuals and the corporations and pass-through entities that 
they own.
    It is exactly here that an underresourced IRS has lost the 
most capacity. In the last decade, multimillionaire audits 
declined by more than 80 percent, and audit rates have been 
approximately zero for complex tax structures like 
partnerships, which represent more than 35 percent of business 
income today. So this is where new enforcement resources 
appropriately will be focused.
    Third, there is a lot of revenue at stake. In my new paper 
with former Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy Mark Mazur, we 
estimate that the IRA's investment in the IRS could raise 
around $560 billion in new tax collection in this decade, and 
more than $1.5 trillion over the course of the next 2 decades.
    But fourth, this is about more than just revenue. It is 
about fairness. We have underinvested in the IRS for years. 
That has created an inequitable tax system where the vast 
majority of your constituents pay all that they owe, but some 
who earn income in opaque ways--disproportionately the 
wealthiest--do not.
    That is why the IRA is so critical. To be sure, there is an 
implementation challenge ahead, but with multiyear funds and a 
Commissioner at the helm with both public- and private-sector 
management experience, the IRS is finally set up to succeed.
    Yet it will need help. In the years ahead, it will be 
critical for Congress, in its oversight capacity, to continue 
to monitor the progress of the IRS. I am keen to talk with you 
about how to ensure this funding is spent in a diligent and 
careful way.
    It will also be paramount to preserve and supplement, in 
the discretionary appropriations process, the historic 
investment the IRA made in our tax system and in our Nation's 
fiscal health.
    Thank you. I look forward to your questions.
    The Chairman. Thank you very much, Dr. Sarin. We will have 
questions, for sure.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Sarin appears in the 
appendix.]
    The Chairman. Mr. Fort?

     STATEMENT OF JOHN D. FORT,  DIRECTOR  OF  INVESTIGA-
      TIONS, KOSTELANETZ, LLP; AND FORMER CHIEF, CRIMINAL
      INVESTIGATION,  INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE,  WASHING-
      TON, DC

    Mr. Fort. Thank you. Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Thune, 
and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to 
discuss the need for consistent funding for the Internal 
Revenue Service to address both critical service updates for 
the taxpayer experience, and sufficient support for enforcement 
activities.
    As the former Chief of the Criminal Division of the IRS or 
IRS CI, I have witnessed firsthand the important role that 
enforcement plays in promoting voluntary compliance with the 
Nation's tax laws. I understand that my role at this hearing 
today is to talk about the real-life impact of funding cuts on 
Federal law enforcement.
    So let us start there, with law enforcement. The Criminal 
Investigation division is the sixth largest Federal law 
enforcement agency in the United States. There are currently 
about 2,100 special agents in IRS CI. The high-water mark for 
CI special agents was in the late 1990s, when IRS CI had 
approximately 3,600 special agents.
    Even after the planned IRA-funded hiring, CI will not 
surpass that number. I think it is also important that we call 
these law enforcement personnel special agents and not just 
agents, to avoid any confusion with revenue agents who do 
enforcement on the civil side of the IRS.
    This confusion in language and misrepresentation of facts 
over the last 6 to 9 months is careless and dangerous, and has 
been the cause of threats to men and women who serve this 
country by investigating some of the most dangerous crimes in 
our Nation.
    IRS CI is the only agency with the authority to investigate 
and recommend prosecution for violations of the Federal tax 
code. IRS CI forms the backbone of the voluntary compliance 
regime that our tax system depends upon. The fact that you can 
be incarcerated for committing felony tax crimes in the United 
States provides a strong deterrent to those looking to take 
unfair advantage over their neighbors and business competitors.
    Because of this, you can literally draw a straight line on 
a graph that shows the decrease in compliance as staffing for 
CI goes down. Without sustained funding for rigorous 
enforcement, the system of voluntary compliance will continue 
to erode.
    IRS CI services are in high demand by both the Department 
of Justice and by the U.S. Attorneys Offices around the 
country. There are simply not enough resources to sufficiently 
work all the priorities of the IRS and the DOJ. Unlike the 
civil side of the IRS, IRS CI does not have full control over 
the cases they work.
    Every case worked by IRS CI, whether it is a tax case or 
another Federal criminal violation, is worked in partnership 
with the Department of Justice and the U.S. attorneys who 
prosecute the cases.
    I witnessed firsthand the impact that IRS funding cuts have 
on enforcement. Difficult choices must be made, involving 
investigative priorities, and investigators had to walk away 
from many strong cases because there simply were not enough 
special agents to handle the demand for their expertise.
    In addition to being the only Federal law enforcement 
agency authorized to investigate Federal criminal tax 
violations, CI also works a variety of high-profile, high-
impact cases at the request of the Department of Justice, due 
to their financial investigative expertise that is unmatched.
    CI participates in sanctions investigations involving 
Russian oligarchs, corrupt politicians, and those that 
facilitate the illicit movement of money on behalf of 
sanctioned individuals or organizations. Just last week, IRS CI 
made news by training three Ukrainian law enforcement agencies 
with the help of private-sector partners in cryptocurrency and 
cyber tools.
    You may recall the high-profile case in 2019 called 
``Welcome to Video,'' a case initiated and held by IRS CI. This 
case led to the seizure of the largest darknet marketplace for 
child exploitation, resulting in over 330 arrests around the 
world and 23 kids saved who were being actively abused.
    In 2020, CI led an investigation revolving around 
cryptocurrency fundraising for several terrorist organizations 
including Hamas, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS. This concluded in the 
largest crypto seizure tied to terrorists to date.
    Earlier this month, the Attorney General announced results 
from Operation SpecTor, which was a coordinated international 
effort that spanned three continents to disrupt dark web 
fentanyl and opioid trafficking. CI led multiple cases under 
this umbrella operation.
    These cases are not what you think of when you think of IRS 
Criminal Investigation. But the expertise and reputation the 
agency has developed in more than 100 years is exactly the 
reason that CI is needed on these cases. The men and women of 
IRS CI are often behind the scenes and do not seek the 
spotlight, but their extraordinary work is critical to the 
success of U.S. law enforcement efforts.
    Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Thune, and members of the 
committee, thank you again for the opportunity. I believe the 
additional funding provided for the IRS in the IRA is a long-
overdue game-changer for the agency.
    Thank you, and I welcome your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Fort appears in the 
appendix.]
    The Chairman. Thank you very much, Mr. Fort.
    Mr. Sepp, welcome.

              STATEMENT OF PETE SEPP, PRESIDENT, 
            NATIONAL TAXPAYERS UNION, WASHINGTON, DC

    Mr. Sepp. It is an honor to be here, Chairman Wyden, 
Senator Thune. I promise I will not present on all of these 
materials at once, but I do hope we will actually get to these 
materials. It is very important for all of us to recognize a 
few realities here today.
    First of all, this amount of funding for the Internal 
Revenue Service has never been accompanied by so little detail. 
Case in point: the 1998 IRS Restructuring and Reform Act was 
preceded by a 200-page report, a 184-page long bill. The 
Taxpayer First Act of 2019 was preceded by upwards of 4 years' 
worth of hearings, stakeholder engagement, and a 250-page 
implementation report. We got nine paragraphs in the Inflation 
Reduction Act to describe an agency transformation.
    We also need to recognize though, on the Republican side of 
the aisle, that the House bill clawing back the funding will 
never get past this committee, much less to the President's 
desk. We need to accept that reality. And the Democratic side, 
of course, I would hope, would accept the reality that Federal 
law enforcement agencies have always been built with guard 
rails, and Democrats have been at the forefront of doing that. 
Maybe we can come together with those realizations and figure 
out how to move forward.
    Let us also realize that while we argue about how much 
money can be raised here, like revenue angels dancing on the 
head of the pin, there is the point to the pin, the sharp end, 
and that sharp end is going to affect everyone in America. We 
debate over a $400,000 audit threshold. We are getting some 
clarity about that.
    But the point is, in the strategic operating plan, the IRS 
is admitting that there will be other enforcement activities 
funded by the new money that will touch all taxpayers. Audits 
are just one tool in the compliance toolkit.
    So it is with the revenue estimates. CBO has gone back and 
forth on how much money this IRA enforcement funding will 
raise. They say a net of $100.4 billion. Is it 50.2? It is 
150.6? That again misses the purpose. Unless we get the agency 
transformation right, those revenues are not going to 
materialize anyway. That is why we need to get to work on a 
number of important items to make sure this agency 
transformation is a success, not only for the agency, not only 
for raising revenues, but for taxpayers themselves.
    How do you do it? There is a turnkey operation, the IRS 
Oversight Board, that has remained dormant since 2015. It still 
gets funded. Let us get nominees before this board. Let us 
create a safe space for the White House to do that. Get that 
board up and running.
    Let us make sure we have off ramps for these new 
enforcement efforts. We need a working appeals process. 
Congress has spoken on this for the better part of 100 years. 
The IRS pushes back with rulemakings that limit the right to 
appeal.
    We need global settlements that will allow the IRS to sweep 
aside issues in courts that are relatively noncontroversial, 
but are taking up a lot of resources. Settle those and move 
forward so you can focus your legal resources. Look at 
alternative dispute resolution. That is something that Senator 
Cornyn has introduced in legislation this year: the Small 
Business Taxpayer Bill of Rights.
    We need to examine and evaluate in detail this funding 
cliff for taxpayer services and business modernization. That is 
coming up very quickly. Appropriations may not be this 
committee's purview, but you can certainly make recommendations 
in that regard.
    We need to look at alternative compliance strategies. 
Compliance is the end, not enforcement, and there are many ways 
to get there. I will put in a word for tax simplification. Of 
course, that aids compliance. That is a whole other hearing 
topic in and of itself.
    But let me say that there is plenty of bipartisan 
legislation--from Senator Grassley, from Senator Wyden, from 
Senator Cardin, former Senator Portman--lots that we can build 
on. And we are here to help with that, with the Taxpayers First 
Project, an assembly of Democrats, Republicans, former IRS 
officials, current experts in academia--all of them ready to 
help on this important project.
    It is said you can walk and chew gum at the same time, that 
the IRS can do this. Well, they not only have to do that, they 
have to read a book, drive a car; they have to play a ping-pong 
game, and they have to be a lifeguard at a swimming pool all at 
once. That task is going to take a lot of building. Let us get 
to work now.
    Thank you so much.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Sepp appears in the 
appendix.]
    The Chairman. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Sepp.
    Mr. Edwards?

      STATEMENT OF CHRIS EDWARDS, KILTS FAMILY CHAIR IN
       FISCAL STUDIES, CATO INSTITUTE, WASHINGTON, DC

    Mr. Edwards. Thank you very much, Chairman Wyden.
    While the IRA, as we have heard, includes $79 billion of 
new mandatory funding for the IRS, 57 percent is going toward 
enforcement, but just 10 percent for taxpayer services and 
technology upgrades. In the President's budget, which includes 
this additional funding, enforcement spending will more than 
triple over the next decade. Enforcement outlays will grow from 
38 percent of the IRS budget today to 61 percent a decade from 
now.
    That funding is off-kilter. As Senator Thune mentioned, the 
National Taxpayer Advocate said, quote, ``Funding in the IRA is 
disproportionately allocated for enforcement activities. 
Congress should reallocate IRS funding to achieve a better 
balance of taxpayer services needs and IT modernization.''
    I think that is correct. The CBO says that the $79 billion 
of new funding will raise $180 billion over 10 years. But that 
does not mean that the new enforcement spending is good for the 
economy. More aggressive enforcement would mean higher costs on 
taxpayers. Higher enforcement would mean collateral damage on 
law-abiding taxpayers, because the IRS makes many mistakes.
    Consider disputes that end up in Tax Court. For cases 
closed in the last 5 years, the IRS only got 48 percent of the 
dollars it demanded via these. So the IRS made a mistake in 
half of those cases. Similarly, IRS auditing imposes collateral 
damage, because many audited taxpayers have already paid the 
correct amount. More than 40 percent of partnership audits 
result in no recommended changes.
    For individuals earning more than $5 million, almost 40 
percent of audits result in no change. Given that those audits 
are driven by IRS algorithms, those are high shares of targeted 
taxpayers who did nothing wrong. Of course, the IRS needs to 
enforce. My point is that there are downsides, including higher 
costs for families and businesses who have already paid the 
correct amount.
    Also, if you look at data from the GAO and elsewhere, the 
marginal benefits of audits decline as auditing increases. The 
latest Federal IRS estimate of the gross tax gap is $540 
billion, which is 2.6 percent of U.S. GDP. The IRS tax gap as a 
share of GDP has actually fallen a bit over the last 2 decades, 
from 3.3 percent back in 2001.
    Over recent years, despite the decline in audit rates, the 
tax gap was 2.7 percent of GDP a decade ago; it is only 2.6 
percent today. So, the extent of taxpayer errors and cheating 
has not increased. It has really not changed much at all. There 
are a number of studies that have compared tax gaps across 
countries. The studies, I think, are rough estimates, but they 
generally show that the U.S. tax gap is about the same or 
smaller than typical tax gaps in Europe.
    There are three better ways to boost tax compliance than 
jacking up enforcement. First, keep tax rates low to reduce 
incentives for cheating. The average corporate tax rate across 
the OECD countries has plunged from 48 percent in the early 
1980s to just 24 percent today. But corporate tax revenues as a 
share of GDP are actually higher now than they used to be. With 
lower rates, there is less incentive for avoidance and evasion.
    Second, taxpayer compliance would rise if we improved IRS 
services and technologies. The new strategic operating plan 
from the IRS has tons of good ideas to make these improvements.
    And third, Congress should simplify the tax code. Rising 
complexity invites abuse. The past Taxpayer Advocate said 
complexity, quote, ``facilitates tax avoidance by providing 
criminals with opportunities to commit tax fraud.'' I think 
that is exactly right. Unfortunately, rising tax complexity is 
making the IRS's job much more difficult.
    In a really interesting report last year, the GAO found 
that for high earners, the average audit hours per return has 
more than doubled since 2010. I think that reflects the rising 
complexity in the tax code.
    Recently, all the expanded energy breaks in the tax code 
would cost billions of dollars for the IRS to administer, and 
they will generate higher compliance costs, more abuse, and 
more lobbying frankly, which is all pretty unproductive for the 
overall economy.
    So in sum, the official IRS data show that the tax gap is 
not rising compared to GDP. Also, the U.S. tax gap appears 
modest compared to other countries. But we can reduce the tax 
gap by cutting tax rates, improving IRS services, and 
simplifying the tax code.
    So my bottom line is, I think that with the $79 billion in 
new IRS funding, some of that ought to be moved back away from 
enforcement activities and more towards the taxpayer services 
and the IT investment that the IRS is promising in their new 
strategic plan.
    Thank you very much.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Edwards appears in the 
appendix.]
    The Chairman. Thank you very much. All of you have been 
very helpful, and I am going to start with you, Mr. Fort. You 
were, from 2017 to 2020, Chief of Criminal Investigation at the 
IRS; is that correct?
    Mr. Fort. Correct.
    The Chairman. So recently, we learned about how this 
particular part of the IRS collaborated with other law 
enforcement agencies on the biggest fentanyl distribution 
takedown in American history: hundreds of arrests, seizure of 
millions and millions of dollars, 850 kilograms of drugs. I 
mean, this was the equivalent of millions of lethal doses of 
fentanyl.
    And the office that you headed up was a key part of 
enforcement efforts from 2017 to 2020. So House Republicans now 
want to cut these IRS enforcement measures that we included by 
over $45 billion. Now, they swear up and down that they are for 
law enforcement, but with respect to the people, the agents, we 
should be doing more with less.
    So, when it comes to investigating complex financial 
crimes, the kind of work you did, the kind of work recently 
that the office where you were was part of in this whole 
effort, what are the implications of trying to go along with 
this Republican mantra, in the criminal area, of doing more 
with less?
    Mr. Fort. Thank you for the question, Chairman Wyden. As I 
mentioned in my opening statement, IRS Criminal Investigation 
has a very broad jurisdiction of tax crimes. But also--as you 
mentioned and I mentioned in my opening comments--a very 
important relationship with the Department of Justice and other 
Federal agencies, investigating child exploitation, narcotics 
trafficking, the opioid epidemic.
    Less money, less funding means less cases. And for the 
criminal side of the IRS, that means less tax cases, less 
sophisticated international tax cases, but also less 
involvement in the cases that you mentioned, this critical 
involvement with U.S. law enforcement investigating serious 
narcotics crimes including the opioid epidemic, terrorist 
financing, sanctions investigations, and a whole host of other 
priorities for U.S. law enforcement.
    The Chairman. Let me ask you about another one, and that is 
offshore tax evasion. I am very pleased that our investigative 
staff exposed just how a few American families were hiding 
hundreds of millions of dollars at Credit Suisse, and how one 
U.S. software executive managed to hide an astounding $2 
billion in income offshore for more than a decade.
    Part of the reason why is, Republican budget cuts hamstrung 
this enforcement program from the get-go. In 2021, there were 
seven criminal investigations opened into offshore bank account 
violations. That number strikes me as preposterously low--
preposterously low given the magnitude of offshore tax evasion 
out there, which has been estimated at about $15 billion per 
year.
    Again, let us hear about how the Republican mantra, doing 
more with less, is going to help us figure out where these 
wealthy tax cheats are hiding money offshore. It does not seem 
to me that what the Republicans are talking about is going to 
be helpful as we try to get the very people that we recently 
exposed.
    Mr. Fort. So, it's another great question. There is 
tremendous work left to be done on international tax 
enforcement--on the criminal side and the civil side. Again, 
this work is critically important to what the IRS does.
    There are more cases than the seven that you cited. There 
are many international cases, but there is so much more work to 
be done, and in cooperation with the civil side of the IRS--
there are sophisticated schemes. More and more, it is very 
typical for IRS criminal investigations to involve some type of 
an international component.
    These cases are incredibly manpower-intensive; they are 
typically multiagency investigations led by the Department of 
Justice that require legal processes to get evidence and 
witnesses from overseas. So, there is a lot more investment 
that could be made, and many more cases that can be worked in 
this area.
    The Chairman. Let me ask one question of Dr. Sarin. We have 
appreciated all of the input on issues you have given us over 
the years. What do you think about this idea of auditing 
wealthy tax cheats, and somehow the Republican argument is 
going to get it done, with the IRS doing more with less? We 
have had now two specific examples--this huge fentanyl 
takedown, the Credit Suisse effort that Mr. Fort has talked 
about--talking about doing more with less.
    What do you think the consequences of these cuts are in our 
effort to really go after the issue that you and others have 
been looking at for years, which is--we have the information on 
middle-class people. You know, they pay taxes with every 
paycheck. It is these wealthy tax cheats we have got to zero in 
on. Your thoughts about doing more with less as the Republicans 
are talking about?
    Dr. Sarin. Yes. Thanks, Chairman Wyden. The reality is, the 
IRS cannot do more with less, and let me give you another 
precise example with respect to complex partnerships. In 2019, 
the IRS opened audits of 7,500 partnerships. It received more 
than 4 million partnership returns. That is an audit rate of 
.05 percent. The reality is, this is a signal to taxpayers that 
the IRS is simply outgunned. It has no capacity, and those who 
want to evade do so freely.
    What these resources are going to mean for the IRS--and 
what not having these resources will mean for the IRS--is that 
finally, the agency is going to have the capacity to hire the 
people required to pore through thousands of pages of 
incredibly complex structured, tiered partnerships that are 
owned by tiered partnerships, and designed as such precisely to 
be opaque in ways that are impossible to pierce, and to allow 
for evasion.
    The Chairman. Thank you very much. All of you have been 
excellent.
    I am just going to close with this. I am over my time, but 
Mr. Sepp talked about guard rails. We are all for guard rails. 
What I think you have said, Mr. Fort, and you have, Dr. Sarin, 
is that the McCarthy budget would do a lot more to unravel our 
ability to take down the wealthiest tax cheats.
    It is not about guard rails in that McCarthy budget. It is 
about unraveling the ability to take them down.
    Senator Thune?
    Senator Thune. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Sepp, you--given the overwhelmingly disproportionate 
funding towards enforcement activities compared to taxpayer 
services, would you agree that some of the IRA enforcement 
funds could be more effectively spent on improving customer 
service, and could you just elaborate on that point a bit?
    Mr. Sepp. Thank you, Senator Thune. Yes, certainly they 
could. And the problem with the nine paragraphs in the 
Inflation Reduction Act that described how the IRS money will 
be devoted to various functions, I think it fails to account 
for overlap in the taxpayer services category, for example.
    It specifies that certain amounts of funding will go to 
Taxpayer Advocate services and the enforcement side. Certain 
amounts of funding will go to litigation. In the IRS strategic 
operating plan, in the enforcement section, there is an item 
describing how the Service wants to put more people into 
appeals.
    You have overlaps among the funding that we do not really 
understand yet, and I think we need to consider holistically 
that, yes, taxpayer services and other items can increase 
compliance.
    At a recent symposium by the Tax Policy Center, Nina Olson, 
the former National Taxpayer Advocate, said we are good at 
measuring noncompliance, or at least we think we are when it 
comes to audit rates and the like. What about compliance when 
taxpayer services improve?
    We have not measured that impact sufficiently. I think one 
of the most telling quotes came when Ernie Dronenburg, who was 
a former revenue official from California, made the equation 
this way. A 0.5-percent increase in voluntary compliance raises 
$400 million a year for his State. Doubling the audit rate 
raises half that much.
    Senator Thune. So, would having the IRS update its IRS 
spending plan annually and requiring regular oversight hearings 
before the relevant committees of jurisdiction provide some of 
the greater accountability of the $80 billion in funding that 
we are talking about here, and maybe if so, can you talk about 
how?
    Mr. Sepp. Well, I think that Congress cannot go at it 
alone. There certainly has to be a series of reports set up for 
the agency to describe in detail where the money is going, and 
answering this question of how exactly this funding for 
auditing high-income individuals is going.
    There is of course the Criminal Investigation division, 
whose funding is very important, but Commissioner Werfel 
himself has said their hires for CID will be somewhere around 3 
percent of the total they intend to hire. If we want to keep 
funding CID, that is a pretty minor amount of increase. We can 
do that.
    There are other things, though, that have to come along 
with it, like preparing the IT infrastructure for going after 
cybercriminals. The Treasury Inspector General recently said 
that the IRS failed to meet 17 of 20 standard cybersecurity 
criteria developed 
government-wide.
    If we are going to be dealing with the worst of the worst 
in cybercriminals going forward, we need to have a secure 
infrastructure that is not going to be hacked.
    Senator Thune. And the oversight and accountability that 
come with it.
    So, Mr. Edwards, in your testimony you state that the IRS 
estimates show that the tax gap is not rising relative to size 
of the economy, and the U.S. tax gap appears to be moderate by 
international standards. Could you elaborate on how the U.S. 
tax gap stacks up against other countries, including those in 
the EU?
    Mr. Edwards. There are a number of studies internationally. 
It is difficult to compare tax gaps between countries. Few 
countries do a detailed tax gap like our IRS does. But there 
are five or six studies I cite in my testimony that look at tax 
gaps across European countries and the United States.
    Generally, our tax gap is lower as a share of GDP, which is 
a little surprising. I mean, Europe relies a lot on VAT taxes, 
which are actually easier to force compliance with than income 
taxes. And our tax gap has not increased over time.
    You can look at IRS tax gap estimates back a few decades, 
and the tax gap has not increased. The important point with 
enforcement, I think, is that it is not all black and white. 
But there are diminishing benefits when you increase 
enforcement.
    There is a fascinating chart in the GAO study last year on 
enforcement that shows if you look at people earning over $5 
million, today when they are audited, 40 percent of them have 
no tax change. A decade ago when the audit rate was higher, 60 
percent of them had no change.
    So, if you expand the auditing on wealthy people in this 
case, you make more errors. You go after a lot more people who 
have not cheated, who have not made errors. You know, one of 
the reasons is a lot of high-income folks, they hire expert 
CPAs and CPA companies who do not want to make mistakes. They 
have their reputations on the line.
    If you look at the auditing data in the annual IRS Data 
Book, the folks at the top end actually on audit, their 
mistakes are smaller relatively than people in the middle. So I 
think it is a bit off base to say that there is all this 
cheating going on at the top end.
    Of course, there is some. We need to enforce it. But the 
relative error and cheating at the top end is smaller actually 
than in the middle and at the bottom.
    Senator Thune. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My time has 
expired.
    The Chairman. Senator Grassley is next.
    Senator Grassley. Mr. Edwards, we hear from people at the 
administration that nobody under $400,000 is going to be 
affected by all this additional money we put into the IRS. But 
at a recent hearing, Commissioner Werfel stated that this 
threshold will be based on total positive income, which is a 
measure of income that excludes losses.
    So, won't basing the audit threshold on total positive 
income result in significantly larger audit pools than if the 
IRS used adjusted gross income or taxable income? Isn't this 
particularly true for small business owners?
    Mr. Edwards. Right. So, the administration has promised 
that they will not increase audit rates for folks who earn 
under $400,000 a year. But my understanding is, the IRS uses 
the total positive income metric to target their normal 
auditing.
    So, when the Commissioner says that, uses the $400,000, he 
is actually talking, as you said, about a broader pool, mainly 
small to mid-size businesses that actually may have AGI under 
$400,000, but if they are looking at positive income without 
losses, you are going to get a much bigger pool.
    I have not done the math to figure out exactly how many 
returns that is, but there will be a broader pool of businesses 
that are audited than just thinking about the $400,000 as if it 
was AGI.
    Senator Grassley. Mr. Sepp, I was a member of the 1998 IRS 
Restructuring Commission. In that act, the IRS received 
multiple years of funding to upgrade its information 
technology. This funding was supposed to enable the IRS to 
replace its outdated Individual Master File and Business Master 
File, which still used technology dating back to the 1960s.
    However, that attempt was plagued by cost overruns, lack of 
functionality, and to this day the legacy system persists. What 
steps could be taken, whether by IRS or Congress, to ensure 
that we do not end up 2 decades from now with the same legacy 
systems?
    Mr. Sepp. Well, thank you, Senator. The Individual Master 
File is probably the central core of IRS data that needs to be 
upgraded and replaced. The Commissioner has set a very 
ambitious goal of trying to do that in the next few years. That 
could very well get delayed.
    We saw a $4-billion attempt in the late 1980s and early 
1990s to try and update IMF. There was the enterprise case 
management system, where IRS basically ignored the advice of 
technological experts who were saying, ``You are focusing on 
the wrong kind of contract and the wrong kind of upgrade.''
    I would say that, even though the IRS now has a CIO, a 
Chief Information Officer--we have an acting one right now, 
which is not ideal. You should really have a permanent one in 
place. But I would refrain that having consistent managerial 
oversight through something like the IRS Oversight Board that 
you and my boss worked on in the IRS Restructuring Commission 
would be ideal.
    In fact, I know that there has been work done behind the 
scenes with members of this committee to try and make sure we 
never have this quorum problem with the Board again. That would 
be well worth looking at, to make sure we have managerial 
consistency when these upgrades are made. Frankly, there is not 
enough money for business systems modernization in the IRA 
funding mix. The projections are, we will burn through about a 
third of that before another 2 fiscal years have passed.
    That money is not going to be around for the upgrades, and 
it is a key foundation for everything else the IRS wants to do.
    Senator Grassley. Mr. Edwards, we often hear from people 
who are behind this massive amount of money that is going to be 
given to the IRS, that anyone who is not a tax cheat has 
nothing to worry about from increased IRS enforcement. Even if 
an audit results in no additional taxes due, a taxpayer can 
still spend countless hours and incur significant costs 
responding to the IRS.
    Can you discuss the costs and burdens an IRS audit imposes 
on even an innocent taxpayer?
    Mr. Edwards. Well, that is right. That is one of the 
downsides of increased enforcement: that the IRS makes lots of 
mistakes. And you know, I cited the statistic, for example, 
that if you look at Tax Court cases over the last 5 years, the 
IRS gets it wrong about half the time.
    They only get--the Court decides that the IRS only gets 
about 48 percent of the money that they had demanded. And that 
is after the audit and appeal. These cases are brought to 
court, and the IRS only gets about half of the money. So there 
are a lot of false positives, I guess you could say, in IRS 
enforcement.
    The more enforcing you do, the broader the pool of 
enforcement, the more mistakes the IRS is going to make. It 
causes, especially for 30 million small businesses, a lot of 
headaches and wasted time and effort defending against the IRS 
when people have done nothing wrong.
    So, I had my own issue with the IRS that lasted--it took me 
about a year to handle. I had to hire lawyers, and I found out 
through that process that the IRS makes lots of mistakes. They 
misfile forms. The groups within IRS do not talk to each other. 
You cannot get anyone on the phone.
    I could have resolved my issue in 15 minutes on the phone 
with an IRS employee. I had to hire a law firm, spend thousands 
of dollars to get the problem solved. I ultimately had to get 
the National Taxpayer Advocate to come to my aid, and we solved 
the problem.
    But it just struck me that a lot of this is actually not--
it does not have to do with money. It has to do with management 
in the IRS sharing data, having a common database, being able 
to call and get someone on the phone--like an airline 
reservation system, where they have your information in front 
of them--and being able to solve the problem a lot faster.
    The Chairman. The time of my colleague has expired.
    Senator Carper is next in order of appearance.
    Senator Carper. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I did not realize I 
timed my arrival this well. We have a lot of hearings going on 
today, the run-up to a 2-week recess, and I think every 
chairman of a committee is trying to make sure they have their 
hearings done today and tomorrow as well. But we are grateful 
for you to be here, and I have a special interest in these 
issues. It goes back a long way.
    But thank you for joining us today, and as someone who 
cares deeply about fiscal responsibility, I care about customer 
service. I care hugely about customer service. When I was a 
little boy, I used to go back to West Virginia to my aunt and 
uncle's supermarket just off of the turnpike in Beckley, WV 
called Patton's Market.
    You'd go into that store, and it would say ``Welcome to 
Patton's Market, friendliest store in Beckley.'' My grandfather 
was a butcher. My aunt and uncle ran the place, and if you 
walked in that place, man they knew your name. If you needed a 
special cut of meat, my grandfather would get it for you.
    If you needed home delivery, they would deliver. If you 
needed to charge it--this is before credit cards--they would 
charge it. But I learned a whole lot about treating other 
people the way you want to be treated. There is a great quote, 
I think it was Mark Twain: ``People do not care how much you 
know until they know how much you care.''
    Isn't that a great--no, it was Teddy Roosevelt. That was 
Teddy Roosevelt. It is not a likely quote you hear. ``People do 
not care how much you know until they know how much you care.''
    When I was Governor of Delaware, the Delaware Division of 
Revenue--which basically was the State version of the IRS--my 
last term, they won the Delaware Quality Award for best service 
of any government or nonprofit or business in the State.
    So I highly valued, and I still highly value customer 
service. But I want to talk a little bit today, or ask you to 
talk a little bit today about the fiscal impact of cutting 
investments in the IRS rather than reducing our deficit. The 
repeal of the IRS funding in Speaker McCarthy's bill would 
unfortunately actually add nearly $120 billion to the deficit.
    It should not be a partisan issue to support the idea that 
people should pay the taxes that they owe. That is especially 
true for corporations and wealthy individuals, which make up a 
large share of the tax gap.
    Dr. Sarin, how does funding for the IRS bolster the fiscal 
health of our Nation, and how would the repeal of these 
investments I just alluded to impact taxpayer compliance?
    Dr. Sarin. Thank you for the question, Senator Carper. As 
you mentioned, the CBO has sort of commented on this question 
and has remarked that the IRA would raise nearly $200 billion 
in new tax collections, or around $115 billion net of the IRA 
investment over the next decade.
    I have a new paper out with former Assistant Secretary for 
Tax Policy Mark Mazur this week that addresses this question as 
well, and we conclude that while directionally definitely 
right, we think that the IRA investments are likely to raise 
much more, around $560 billion over the course of the next 
decade, and around $1.5 trillion over the course of the next 2 
decades.
    The reason for that is that, as the IRS starts to build up 
enforcement capacity in these areas that you speak of, Senator 
Carper, global high-net-worth, complex partnerships, high-end 
evasion, where they essentially have no capacity today, what 
you are going to see is direct revenue coming in from those 
enforcement activities.
    But what you are also going to see is, you are going to see 
taxpayer behavior adjust very substantially for these 
investments. And particularly for taxpayers who make errors 
that are identified by the IRS, we know they are unlikely to 
make those same errors in future years. There is also a 
community deterrent effect when taxpayers and tax preparers 
realize that the IRS is on the beat. They adjust their behavior 
accordingly and are more compliant voluntarily.
    Senator Carper. Thanks.
    One more quick question if I can. This tax filing season, 
we have already seen tremendous progress in the ability of the 
IRS to provide good customer service for taxpayers. It is 
really encouraging.
    In fact, during the 2023 filing system, I think the agency 
was able to answer nearly 90 percent of phone calls. I have a 
friend who says, ``Compared to what?'' Well, compared to a year 
ago, when I think it was like 16 percent of calls being 
answered. So that's a huge improvement, and I think it is due 
in large part to the investments we have made in the IRS.
    A question for you, Dr. Sarin. Can you talk just briefly 
about--and you have already on this a little bit--just a bit 
more about what the repeal of this funding would mean for 
customer service that the IRS provides to everyday taxpayers 
seeking support? Thank you.
    Dr. Sarin. And it is entirely because of the investment you 
made. So the IRS was able to hire 5,000 new people to be on the 
phones. The level of service grew to 87 percent from 15 percent 
in 1 year. The IRS was able to digitize thousands more forms 
this year. The IRS cut phone wait times from 27 minutes to 4 
minutes.
    This filing season is proof in concept of what a resourced 
IRS is going to be able to deliver for taxpayers. But we are 
not at the level of customer service that your market is able 
to provide just yet. What the agency needs to do over the 
course of the next few years--and what you see them allude to 
in the strategic plan--is invest in taxpayer service that 
allows the IRS to meet taxpayers where they are.
    So that means phone service. It also means in-person 
assistance at Taxpayer Assistance Centers. But what it also 
means is, you should be able to communicate with the IRS 
digitally and instantaneously if you want to on your phone, the 
way you can communicate with your financial institution today.
    Senator Carper. All right. Yes, thanks for the time.
    The Chairman. The time of my colleague is up.
    Senator Johnson?
    Senator Johnson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Edwards, first of all, I agree with you. I think the 
overall solution here is to simplify our tax code. That would 
solve all the problems. That is the root cause: a very complex 
tax code. I fear that the $80 billion is just an $80-billion 
band-aid. It is not going to work.
    And of course, what I am concerned about--I expressed this 
with Commissioner Werfel as well--is that the $80 billion will 
not be spent in an impartial way. I am highly concerned about 
partisanship in these Federal agencies, law enforcement and the 
IRS, and we've got two examples.
    Mr. Chairman, I hope we can get your cooperation with 
trying to extract information on the IRS visit to, for example, 
journalist Matt Taibbi. We got a response. It was a 
nonresponsive response, but we will continue to follow up on 
that.
    But I want to talk about another thing that just popped up 
in the news in terms of partisanship. Mr. Chairman, you 
received a letter, together with Ranking Member Crapo and 
Senator Grassley, from the attorney for an IRS whistleblower 
who is claiming partisanship in a high-profile IRS 
investigation.
    They are asking for whistleblower protection, and they are 
asking to be interviewed, and my understanding is that they do 
not want to be interviewed by the House and the Senate. They 
would like to do it one time. I have a request that you 
cooperate with their request. I would ask that you enter this 
letter into the record. Mr. Chairman, can you enter this letter 
into the record?
    The Chairman. Without objection, so ordered.
    [The letter appears in the appendix on p. 57.]
    Senator Johnson. And I would also ask, if we do arrange 
that interview, I would like to be part of that interview. I 
would like to be present when we interview that whistleblower, 
because the news reports widely are assuming that that is 
Hunter Biden, and of course the chairman is always talking 
about wealthy tax cheats.
    Well, let us describe a wealthy tax cheat. Hunter Biden 
became a board member on Burisma in April or May of 2014. Three 
years later, his financial advisor, business partner of the 
family, the Biden family financial advisor, Eric Schwerin, 
sends him an email saying, ``Hey, Hunter, you understated your 
income by $400,000 in 2014.'' I mean this is 2 or 3 years 
later, right?
    Now eventually, Hunter Biden paid about $2 million of 
delinquent taxes, but he did not pay them. A Hollywood attorney 
named Kevin Morris made that payment in May of 2022, 5 years 
after Mr. Schwerin told him that he underreported income by 
$400,000. Well, he must have underreported income by a lot more 
than $400,000 if he is making a $2-million tax payment.
    So the concern we have now, according to this letter, is 
that the entire IRS investigatory team has been pulled off the 
Hunter Biden case. My question for you, Mr. Fort, is, in your 
time in the IRS, in the investigatory division, the Criminal 
Division, was there ever another instance when an entire IRS 
investigatory team was pulled off a tax case?
    Mr. Fort. Thank you for the question, Senator. So yes, I 
spent 30, almost 30 years with IRS Criminal Investigation. I am 
not aware of a situation such as that. But again, when I 
retired from the organization at the end of 2020, I was in 
charge of about 3,000 people, including 2,100 agents, so I 
cannot say with certainty whether or not that happened.
    Senator Johnson. So again, we have a whistleblower here. He 
is seeking whistleblower protection. Sounds like the House has 
granted that. I am not sure what the Senate is doing, and this 
is the committee of jurisdiction. I hope you grant 
whistleblower protection and cooperate in an interview with 
this whistleblower, because we need to find out this 
information claiming partisanship in the Hunter Biden 
investigation.
    And now, the fact that the Justice Department has removed 
the entire investigatory team off of the case, that just smacks 
of partisanship and erodes the American people's confidence 
that the IRS will be fair and impartial and administer justice 
in the tax code equally. Do you agree that that erodes 
confidence in the IRS, this recent revelation?
    Mr. Fort. So, even though I have been gone from the 
government for 2 years, Federal law prohibits me from 
discussing any specific taxpayer at all. But I would just agree 
that it is a serious allegation.
    Senator Johnson. Well, again, having an entire IRS 
investigatory team pulled off of any case would certainly get 
you scratching your head, right, highly concerned about what is 
pulling off here?
    Mr. Fort. Again, in my experience--you know, I am not 
personally aware of a situation such as that, but it does not 
mean it did not happen during my tenure.
    Senator Johnson. Okay. And again, Mr. Chairman, I would 
also like your cooperation in my request for information from 
Commissioner Werfel on Matt Taibbi. We are going to try to get 
from Mr. Taibbi a release to have the IRS release those 
records, because right now the IRS is claiming it cannot do 
that.
    We also asked, by the way, general questions, which the IRS 
also did not respond to. So, I am going to need your help if we 
are going to get to the bottom of that potential partisanship 
within the IRS.
    The Chairman. I am going to respond when you are done. You 
are just over your time. Are you done?
    Senator Johnson. Yes.
    The Chairman. Great.
    I am aware of the matter that Senator Johnson has brought 
up. As has been my practice on 6103-protected matters, I have 
been pursuing this issue on a bipartisan basis here with 
Ranking Member Crapo, and we are going to continue to do so.
    Given 6103 and the sensitive nature of the information for 
all involved, there just is not anything more I can say about 
it now.
    Okay. Senator Daines is next.
    Senator Daines. Mr. Chairman, thank you. I would like to 
begin my time by addressing the flawed notion that the 
Inflation Reduction Act's $80 billion in supplemental funding 
to the IRS will somehow spare ordinary Americans from increased 
audits.
    For years, my Democrat colleagues have called for the IRS 
to reduce the tax gap, the difference between total taxes owed 
and collected by targeting wealthy tax cheats. Fortunately, we 
still have some common sense in Montana. Montanans know that 
the most dangerous words in the English language are: ``I'm 
from the IRS, and I'm here to help you.''
    They know the IRS cannot handle the workload it currently 
has, so adding more money to enforcement before we get folks to 
answer the phones is fruitless. The other problem is, low- to 
middle-income earners represent the major source of 
underreported income.
    According to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, 
as much as 90 percent of the money raised from underreported 
income would likely come from those making less than $200,000 a 
year, with only 4 to 9 percent coming from those making more 
than $500,000. Again, that is from JCT.
    The nonpartisan GAO also found that most of the revenue 
generated from audits over the last decades has come from 
returns with incomes below $200,000. In fact, when given a 
chance to guarantee the IRS could not use additional funding to 
audit taxpayers earning less than $400,000, every Senate 
Democrat voted against it.
    With nearly 60 percent of the IRS's supplemental funding 
going to tax enforcement, audits are unfortunately coming for 
Americans at all income levels. More aggressive IRS enforcement 
is likely to increase cost for honest taxpayers who are forced 
to spend time and a lot of emotional energy defending 
themselves against erroneous audits.
    Mr. Edwards, in your testimony you state, and I quote, 
``IRS auditing imposes collateral damage because many audited 
taxpayers have paid the correct amount.'' What are some of the 
external consequences that taxpayers face as a result of the 
IRS's increased enforcement?
    Mr. Edwards. We all want to increase compliance rates and, 
you know, there are two ways you can do it. You can improve the 
IRS. You can keep tax rates low. You can simplify the tax code. 
All of those strategies would save taxpayers money, and you 
would increase compliance.
    Yes, you could increase compliance with higher audit rates, 
but as you said, there would be collateral damage on the many 
people who get audited, go through all the anguish, the lawyer 
costs, and all that financial uncertainty, and they paid the 
correct amount.
    And as I said, in a GAO study on auditing last year, they 
have a chart showing a decade ago when audit rates were higher 
on the top income category above $5 million, 60 percent of the 
time there was no change on audits for those taxpayers. Meaning 
the IRS, even though they target with algorithms, they made a 
mistake 60 percent of the time and went after the wrong people. 
So, I do not know what the exact audit rate is, but the more 
you audit, the more mistakes the IRS will make.
    Senator Daines. Mr. Edwards, in your testimony, you touched 
on this, on the prevalence of so-called ``no change audits,'' 
in which the IRS audits taxpayers, only to find out that they 
paid the correct amount. In fact, you stated that for 
individuals earning more than $5 million, the no change rate is 
just under 40 percent.
    Meaning, in 40 percent of these cases, the IRS is expending 
time and resources forcing individuals to exhaust their own 
time and resources for no reason. Mr. Edwards, the Biden 
administration has said that the enforcement budget will only 
go towards auditing high-income taxpayers.
    I think it was already demonstrated that this is, at best, 
a flimsy claim. But let us say it is true for a moment. Is it a 
really good outcome for anyone besides tax attorneys to have 
the IRS increasing taxpayer costs and stress by forcing them to 
defend themselves in these audits?
    Mr. Edwards. That is right. So that is a GAO statistic, 
that for the very top-end people, 40 percent of audits, there 
is no change. Even the returns where there are changes, a lot 
of those get abated. Some of them go to Tax Court, and in Tax 
Court, as I noted, the IRS only has about a 50-50 batting 
average.
    So there are a lot of people--the more you audit, there are 
a lot of people who have to go through a lot of time and 
expense and financial anguish and lawyer fees to defend 
themselves when they have done nothing wrong.
    The Chairman. The time of my colleague has expired.
    Senator Casey is next.
    Senator Casey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank the 
witnesses for being here for your testimony.
    I want to start with Dr. Sarin. We are grateful for your 
presence here today, and I wanted to specifically talk about 
the question of performance and what has happened just in our 
recent history.
    You mention in your testimony the IRS has increased its 
customer service performance 315 percent over the year, 
answering 2 million more calls this year and serving 100,000 
more taxpayers in person. The IRS has also digitized returns, 
cleared paper backlogs, and reduced processing times on tax 
returns.
    That means, obviously, more taxpayer money is getting back 
into families' pockets. If the Congress were to cancel the 
increase in IRS funding, as House Republicans have proposed, 
what would happen to, number one, in-person taxpayer services 
and, number two, call wait times for people in Pennsylvania, 
for example?
    Dr. Sarin. Well, call wait times would rise. Last year, 
without the IRA funding, call wait times averaged 27 minutes. 
This year, they average 4 minutes, and that is a direct result 
of your investment.
    What would also happen is that in-person assistance at 
Taxpayer Assistance Centers would decline. It declined over the 
course of the last decade by 50 percent, disproportionately 
because the IRS was forced to close Taxpayer Assistance Centers 
in rural, low-income communities because it could not afford to 
staff them.
    This year, it did a terrific job in increasing that in-
person assistance, but there is a ways to go, and these 
investments are so, so critical. They are also critical in 
enabling taxpayers to have real-time access to the IRS, and 
real-time digital access to enable them to have their tax 
questions answered more quickly, and to quickly resolve any 
issues with the agency.
    I know this is the direction that all of your constituents 
want the agency to go. They now finally have the resources to 
do it.
    Senator Casey. Thank you, Doctor.
    I want to turn to Mr. Fort, and I am grateful for your 
public service as Chief of IRS Criminal Investigation.
    Over the last decade, IRS Criminal Investigation has lost a 
quarter--one-quarter--of its special agents, who do the work of 
investigating criminal violations, dismantling terrorist 
financing operations, and recovering billions in stolen assets 
for American taxpayers. The House Republican proposal would 
make sure we never rehire those Criminal Investigation agents.
    You have personally had a hand in some of the most high-
profile investigations at the IRS, like when two Chinese 
nationals were charged with laundering $100 million after 
hacking a cryptocurrency exchange. I want to ask you first 
about the special expertise that the IRS brings to criminal 
investigations. What kinds of criminals are able to escape 
justice when we defund the IRS?
    Mr. Fort. Thank you for the question, Senator. So, IRS 
Criminal Investigation has very broad jurisdiction. I will 
direct the question primarily to the multiagency investigations 
that IRS Criminal Investigation works, such as the case that 
you mentioned, child exploitation, many narcotics 
investigations around the country.
    The IRS is in high demand. The resources of IRS Criminal 
Investigation are in high demand with the Department of Justice 
and other agencies. It is really a multiagency effort, where 
every agency brings their skills to the table, and it is the 
skills of IRS special agents in following the money that are so 
critical in solving these Federal crimes.
    Senator Casey. Well, I appreciate it, and how many--just 
for purposes of the record, how many years have you done this 
work?
    Mr. Fort. I did it for a little over 29 years.
    Senator Casey. Thank you.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. I thank my colleague.
    Senator Blackburn is next.
    Senator Blackburn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you 
all for being with us today.
    So, the IRA gives the IRS an additional $80 billion, and 
you have additional funding that is on top of the $13.6 billion 
it received in annual appropriations in 2022, and about 60 
percent of this funding is designated for enforcement actions.
    And so, Dr. Sarin, you wrote an article in The Washington 
Post saying that this is not enough. So how much do you think 
would be enough? Where do you peg that number? When does 
government get enough of the taxpayers' money, or do they ever 
get enough?
    Dr. Sarin. Thank you so much for your question, Senator 
Blackburn. I really appreciate it, and a point that I think is 
important to emphasize is that these $80 billion, this $80-
billion investment in the agency is about transforming the IRS 
into a 21st-century tax administrator.
    It is about creating modern IT structures so that IRS 
employees are not hand-transcribing returns. What they are 
doing instead is scanning them digitally and automatically when 
a----
    Senator Blackburn. So, you think they need even more money 
on top of what they have gotten, so that they can audit more of 
the American people, and use technology to delve into those 
audits.
    Mr. Sepp, I want to come to you. In a letter that the 
National Taxpayer Union wrote to Congress last year before the 
passage of the IRA, a section was included that speaks to what 
would happen if the IRS received increased enforcement funding, 
with the goal of aggressively pursuing increased revenue.
    When I talk to Tennesseans, they do not agree with Dr. 
Sarin. They think the IRS has too much of their money as it is. 
The letter goes on to say, and I quote: ``Taxpayers would be 
right to ask, would the agency first direct their efforts at 
expensive, time-
consuming in-person audits of wealthy taxpayers and 
corporations, potentially facing legal challenges in the 
process, or would the IRS devote its time and manpower to 
additional correspondence audits from underresourced low- and 
middle-income taxpayers?''
    Now of course, we know the IRS has only 50 to 55 percent of 
their personnel who are working in person. The rest of them are 
still working remotely, and if we also take into consideration 
that the Biden administration has chosen to keep audit rates at 
2018 levels, that, according to the 2022 IRS Data Book, would 
still lead to over 262,420 taxpayers making less than $25,000 
per year being audited.
    So, do you believe that it is a valid concern for taxpayers 
that I hear from all the time, that they are concerned that the 
IRS is going to use this money as a slush fund to target them, 
to target small business people, and to cause them a lot of 
extra expense as you were just discussing with Senator Daines?
    Mr. Sepp. Well, thank you, Senator. A lot to unpack there. 
I would just say first, we have the notion that innocent people 
have nothing to fear from heightened enforcement activities. 
That----
    Senator Blackburn. But sometimes it costs them to prove 
their innocence, because the IRS many times considers them 
guilty----
    Mr. Sepp. That is right----
    Senator Blackburn [continuing]. Unless they can prove 
that----
    Mr. Sepp. That is right, and we would never be making that 
statement with any other area of law enforcement, in my 
opinion. We would be saying ``trust but verify.''
    Senator Blackburn. Right.
    Mr. Sepp. And in this report, of course, if you read the 
IRS's strategic operating plan, they are very careful to point 
out in the enforcement section where they are talking about 
limiting audits at the $400,000 TPI and up level, versus broad-
based enforcement efforts that are going to affect all 
taxpayers----
    Senator Blackburn. But as we have heard from Commissioner 
Werfel, that is going to be what he terms positive income, 
which is everything. That is your gross.
    Mr. Sepp. Yes.
    Senator Blackburn. That is not your net-net. That is your 
gross. That gets a lot of moms and pops.
    Mr. Edwards, do you have anything to add to that?
    Mr. Edwards. I agree with what Pete said. There is a heck 
of a lot of good stuff in the strategic operating plan 
regarding taxpayer service and technology. I think both sides 
can win. Taxpayers can win. We would all win if there is 
oversight on the IRS, to make sure that those promises are 
fulfilled.
    We can save taxpayer money by investing in taxpayer 
service, holding their feet to the fire, making sure they make 
those customer service changes. It would be good for all of us. 
I would also say there is a lot of stuff in the strategic 
operating plan that actually should not really cost money.
    I mean, there is a whole page in there on saying that forms 
and notices should be in plain language. Well, they should be 
doing that already. They should have been doing that for years, 
and as someone who has received some of those notices over the 
years, I can tell you, they are hard to read, which makes no 
sense.
    Senator Blackburn. And it requires you to get an attorney.
    Mr. Edwards. Absolutely.
    Senator Blackburn. Which is costing you money, compliance, 
and you have done nothing wrong. We hear it from Tennessee 
businesses all the time.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. I thank my colleague. I heard you say the 
strategic operating plan had plenty of good stuff in it. I 
heard it loud and clear.
    Senator Whitehouse.?
    Senator Whitehouse. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Fort, I think we have talked a bit about what IRS--I 
used to call it CID when I was U.S. Attorney. And by the way, 
you were all terrific to work with. It was really an impressive 
law enforcement agency, so thank you for your service there.
    We have heard about a number of the areas in which the 
criminal investigation work of the IRS takes place. Would it 
also include terrorist financing?
    Mr. Fort. Thank you for the question, Senator Whitehouse. 
Yes, it would.
    Senator Whitehouse. And international money laundering?
    Mr. Fort. Correct.
    Senator Whitehouse. And sanctions evasion, for instance by 
Russian oligarchs who park money in the U.S. and other places?
    Mr. Fort. Yes.
    Senator Whitehouse. Thank you.
    Dr. Sarin, I think you are familiar with the 501(c) 
programs of the tax code?
    Dr. Sarin. I am.
    Senator Whitehouse. What is the status of 501(c) 
enforcement right now at the IRS?
    Dr. Sarin. Well, Senator Whitehouse, I think this is an 
incredibly important area, and it is one like much of what we 
have talked about, like partnerships, like global high net 
worth, where the IRS has had resource constraints. They just 
have not been able to invest in this work.
    It is part of what I think is so important going forward, 
because really investing in a tax administrator that is able to 
have a real enforcement presence across the code is kind of 
central to our democracy. It is central to the functioning of 
American society.
    Right now, we live in a world with a two-tiered tax system, 
where the vast majority of their constituents are doing exactly 
what the IRS requests of them. But disproportionately, those on 
the high end are choosing not to, and disproportionately, 
certain organizations and large corporations and complex 
partnerships are causing the IRS to be in a situation where 
they are not complying with the law, and that is why this is so 
important.
    Senator Whitehouse. Specifically, 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(4) 
organizations, they are required to operate within fairly 
precise legal constraints, are they not?
    Dr. Sarin. That is correct.
    Senator Whitehouse. But there does not seem to be much 
enforcement happening to keep them within those bounds set by 
Congress. Is that also correct?
    Dr. Sarin. And this is an area where I know you have 
discussed this with Commissioner Werfel as well. This is an 
area where, and the analogy he used with you, I think, was, the 
IRS needs to have refs on the field in order for the rules to 
be followed and the game to be played.
    I think this is an area where there is a considerable role 
for both Congress and the IRS to play, in making sure that we 
invest in the importance of enforcement and following the 
rules.
    Senator Whitehouse. Well, it looks like the Wild West, that 
the sheriff is sound asleep right now. So I hope that will 
change and that these resources will help.
    Let us just propose a hypothetical here. Let us say, 
hypothetically, that one party of a country was supported by 
polluting industries, that it got away with enormous levels of 
pollution for free, putting the burden of its pollution on 
everybody else in the country, but not paying to prevent or 
clean up its own pollution; that as a result, vast fortunes 
were created, and that the owners of those vast fortunes deeply 
resent being taxed by ordinary people, and therefore set up 
complex schemes to hide their income and their assets, 
including even overseas.
    If you were in that hypothetical as one of those 
individuals, would defunding the tax police be a logical 
strategy as a part of that operation?
    Dr. Sarin. If you were one of those individuals, you 
certainly would want an IRS that is not resourced to be able to 
pursue you and your tax evasion and your crimes. I suspect--and 
it has been kind of disheartening to watch critics of the IRS 
line up and so much money be lined up against the IRS's 
activities here--that is exactly what you are seeing.
    Senator Whitehouse. I could not agree more.
    I yield back my time.
    The Chairman. I thank my colleague.
    Senator Tillis is next.
    Senator Tillis. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you all for 
being here.
    Mr. Edwards, you have written extensively on the subject of 
the tax gap, and I think you found that the tax gap has not 
grown relative to the size of the economy. I am curious about 
that. Can you explain what it means?
    Mr. Edwards. Well, you know, every few years the IRS does a 
tax gap study. They do it based on what is called the National 
Research Program, which is random audits. They take the random 
audit information. They sort of gross up the amounts compared 
to account for income that they think might be there but they 
cannot find, and then come out with their tax gap estimate.
    They came out with their most recent one last year. They 
found that the tax gap now is around 2.6 percent of the GDP. If 
you look at the IRS studies back a couple of decades, frankly 
even further, the share of GDP that is the tax gap, tax error 
and tax cheating, has been about the same. I mean, it appears 
from the official data that the amount of cheating and error on 
tax returns is about the same.
    You are never going to get it down to zero, and I also 
looked at, in my testimony, the information--it is kind of 
rough--on what happens in European countries. In Europe, the 
tax gap seemed a little higher than the United States. So I 
think Americans are generally pretty law-abiding on their 
taxes.
    Senator Tillis. I was going to ask you about the OECD. I 
think you answered my next question, but we are in the same 
ballpark?
    Mr. Edwards. They are. There are some countries that are 
lower than us. Both Canada and Britain--they do detailed tax 
gap analysis like we do, and their gaps are a little lower. But 
there are a lot of European countries actually that have higher 
tax gaps than we do, so we are kind of somewhere in the middle.
    Senator Tillis. Okay.
    I was here for the opening statement of the chair, and the 
IRA and the $80 billion to the IRS--as somebody who has spent 
most of my career doing enterprise transformation, here is how 
I would describe the IRS. They have a lousy customer service 
record. They understand that problem. They are trying to fix 
that problem. They have antiquated systems and processes.
    And so, I am trying to figure out, and I do think--I voted 
for the new head of the IRS, because he has background in 
enterprise transformation. I have to believe that he is looking 
at this gift of $80 billion and saying, ``Gosh, I wish I could 
spend it the way an enterprise transformer would spend it.''
    One of the things I would not do is spend $15 million on 
creating a government alternative to something that is working 
just fine in the private sector called free filing. There are 
tens of millions of people currently qualified. If we were 
going to put that into something that could expand the 
footprint, that makes more sense.
    So, the concern that I have with the IRA, unlike how it has 
been characterized, is that you are not planning ahead for how 
you should transform the IRS. You should take a look at the 
performance indicators that need to be fixed and spend the 
money that way. Instead, we have said almost double the size of 
the IRS. It is not going to all be with agents; it is going to 
be spread out. But there are going to be a significant number 
of people who are going to be added to an organization that 
desperately needs to be modernized and to invest in technology.
    And in fact, I think if you were to spend every dollar you 
would spend in artificial intelligence to try and find the 
cheaters, not the people who made mistakes--we do case work 
every day in our office for somebody who is dealing with an 
unpleasant customer experience with the IRS, trying to just fix 
an error. So let us separate the errors from the cheats, and 
get every dime you can from the cheats. But I think we are 
using brute force and labor versus a well-thought-out plan, and 
I am fully convinced we have leadership that would do it if we 
allowed him to.
    Do you think it makes sense for us to go in and create a 
competitive product for the private sector on free filings? Mr. 
Edwards? Anybody who wants to speak.
    Mr. Edwards. You know, no. The IRS, in the strategic 
operating plan, has an enormous amount of transformation on 
their plate that they have got to deal with. It is not just 
spending more money. There are management reforms, an enormous 
amount, and like I said, there is a lot of good stuff in the 
strategic operating plan.
    But until they get there, pouring more money into new 
endeavors does not make any sense. We need a fundamental 
transformation. I must say, you can fundamentally transform 
government agencies. I think the current Postmaster General, 
for example, is actually doing a very good job in transforming 
the Postal Service, and it has a lot of similar problems as the 
IRS.
    So, we need the transformation first before we go expanding 
the----
    Senator Tillis. Yes. I wanted to ask questions of the other 
witnesses. But that is what happens when you do something on a 
bipartisan basis, versus something on a partisan basis. The 
Postal Service bill that I supported and worked to get good 
support for, had 79 votes. Well thought out. This one, not so 
much.
    That is why we need to go back, reopen it, try to--even if 
you do not change the top-line number, you need to change how 
it is spent, what the priorities are, if you are really going 
to have a positive impact on the taxpayers.
    Thank you.
    Mr. Sepp. I would just quickly add, Senator, that in 
December of 2022, there was bipartisan legislation being 
developed by two committee members here, Senator Cardin and 
Senator Portman, that would have created an Office of 
Transformation for the Service with better leadership.
    The Chairman. The time of my colleague has expired.
    Senator Menendez?
    Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Time and again, my colleagues across the aisle have 
hijacked negotiations to avoid default, in order to extract 
spending cuts in the name of fiscal responsibility. It seems a 
little hypocritical for me for congressional Republicans to 
threaten default and call for spending cuts on the back of 
working families, when they depleted the revenue side of the 
ledger over the last 5 years.
    Dr. Sarin, how much did the 2017 Republican tax law add to 
the Federal deficit over 10 years?
    Dr. Sarin. Over 10 years, several trillion. It is around $3 
trillion.
    Senator Menendez. So that is pretty significant. Now, I am 
proud I voted for the Inflation Reduction Act, which actually 
cuts deficit spending, cuts deficit spending while 
supercharging investments in renewable energy. It also provides 
resources for the IRS to modernize its IT system, restore 
customer service, and hire the personnel necessary to collect 
the taxes that everyone, everyone, including wealthy 
individuals, legally owes.
    So I think that when you give a couple of trillion dollars 
away, it is a little disingenuous to then say there should be 
all these spending cuts on the backs of individuals, working 
families, that will make a difference in our economy.
    Over the last 10 years, the IRS budget shrunk by 20 
percent, resulting in 20 percent of its workforce being laid 
off. While middle-class families and small businesses bear the 
brunt of the IRS customer service problems, wealthy individuals 
and large corporations are all too happy to take advantage of 
the IRS's limitations.
    Ultimately, that means less revenue to cover the cost of 
our Federal budget. We are already seeing improvements at the 
IRS due to the Inflation Reduction Act. Customer service has 
significantly improved. The IRS is planning to hire the 
personnel needed to ensure that the wealthiest are paying what 
they legally owe.
    But is the answer to balancing the budget to slash the 
critical IRS funding and reverse this progress? Mr. Fort, how 
much does the IRS stand to return to the Treasury over the next 
10 years due to tax enforcement of the wealthiest individuals 
and businesses?
    Mr. Fort. Thank you for the question, Senator. You know, I 
retired from the government a couple of years ago. I do not 
have those exact figures. But the return on investment for IRS 
agents, whether it is on the civil or criminal side, is 
enormous.
    Just the criminal division of the IRS that I worked with 
for almost 30 years, just over the last several years 
identified many billions of dollars in tax and other financial 
fraud.
    Senator Menendez. Yes. I have a figure of $120 billion over 
10 years. That is an enormous amount of money. Who pays the 
price of tax evasion by the wealthiest and large corporations, 
Mr. Fort?
    Mr. Fort. Well, it is all of the American citizens who are 
abiding by the laws.
    Senator Menendez. Now, Dr. Sarin, I have led over eight 
letters to the IRS about a range of customer service issues. I 
mean, at the essence, U.S. taxpayers should expect that you 
will answer the phone, you will answer the mail, you will 
process returns, at a minimum.
    That was not always the case. The IRS consistently now 
answers the phones, between 80 and 90 percent of the time, at 
an average speed to answer of 4 minutes, compared to previous 
times when that was incredibly longer. What would it mean, Dr. 
Sarin, for taxpayer customer service if my colleagues had their 
way in rescinding the IRS IRA funding?
    Dr. Sarin. Well, Senator Menendez, you would go back to the 
world as before, where less than 15 percent of calls that were 
made during filing season were answered, where phone wait times 
were upwards of 30 minutes, where IRS continued a practice that 
it called a courtesy disconnect, which essentially knew it was 
never going to get to you, so it just would cancel your phone 
call when it received it.
    Now the IRS has the tools that it needs to be able to 
answer customer calls about 90 percent of the time this filing 
season. It is going to aim for 100 percent of the time and 
instantaneous communications with taxpayers, and that is what 
these resources are going to afford it.
    Senator Menendez. Yes. Well, I do not think any of my 
constituents would appreciate a courtesy disconnect at the end 
of the day.
    Finally, it is not just IRS funding that our colleagues 
want to slash, but other critical government programs to grow 
jobs and the economy. Last year, Congress appropriated, for 
example, $8 billion to the Child Care and Development Block 
Grants. This helps to provide funding for child-care providers, 
to support low-income families in accessing child care--to do 
what, largely? To be able to go to work, to be productive, to 
contribute to the economy.
    Dr. Sarin, what would be the impact on families, child-care 
providers, and the economy writ large if Republicans insist on 
slashing vital funding for child care as a precondition to a 
precedent on the debt default?
    Dr. Sarin. Well, we have a whole host of empirical evidence 
on this question. It means less people able to work, less women 
able to work. It means worse outcomes for children in the long 
run, and fundamentally, we do not need to do that to address 
our debts and deficits. What we can do instead is collect the 
taxes that are already on the books with actions like the IRA's 
investment in the IRS.
    The Chairman. I thank my colleague. The next three in order 
of appearance are Cardin, Bennet, and Warner, and I would say 
to my colleagues on both sides, we are getting ready to wrap 
up.
    Senator Cardin?
    Senator Cardin. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I regret 
I have not been able to be here for the full hearing, but I 
certainly concur in a lot of the comments that have been made 
by my colleagues about the impact of the type of cuts that were 
in the Republican bill.
    One of the things that we want to do is have compliance 
with our tax laws, and the funds that were made available 
through the Inflation Reduction Act allow us to get a greater 
compliance on the tax laws that are on the books. I want to 
mention it though from a little bit different perspective, and 
that is the fairness to middle-income and lower-income 
families.
    My information shows that we have a higher compliance on 
the revenues from middle-income families and lower-income 
families than we do from higher-income families. Secondly, just 
from the calls to our office, the service levels at the IRS are 
critically more important to middle-income families in 
complying with it.
    So, if they cannot get a phone call answered, they are 
going to be much more at risk than higher-income folks who have 
other alternatives in order to understand their tax liability. 
So, Dr. Sarin and Mr. Fort, if you could respond from the point 
of view of the impact it has on different income levels, the 
fairness of our tax code.
    It already is not progressive from the point of view of 
those who are wealthiest not paying the highest percentages on 
their taxes, basically because of so many of the loopholes we 
have and lack of enforcement. But how would the repeal of the 
IRA funding impact on the fairness to the lower-income and 
middle-income families?
    Dr. Sarin. Thank you so much for the question, Senator 
Cardin. It is an incredibly important one. The vast majority of 
your constituents are fully compliant with their tax 
obligations. Wage and salary earners' taxes are automatically 
withheld.
    For high earners who earn income in opaque ways, things 
like proprietorship income or rental income, compliance rates 
are around 50 percent. So what that means is, today we have a 
two-tiered tax system, where the vast majority of low-income 
and 
middle-income people are paying all that they owe, and wealthy 
tax evaders are getting to skirt the rules because the IRS has 
no capacity to enforce the laws against them.
    That is why the Inflation Reduction Act is so important, 
because it finally gives the IRS what it needs to be able to go 
and hire people with expertise in partnerships, who are going 
to be able to unpack thousands of pages of complex partnership 
returns; to hire data scientists and economists, who are going 
to be able to leverage the type of information that comes on 
offshore bank accounts from the FATCA, and actually deploy it 
in their enforcement choices and the ways in which they go 
about making sure that the wealthy play by the same set of 
rules as everyone else.
    Senator Cardin. That 50 percent is kind of shocking. We 
know about the trillion-dollar tax gap, right?
    Mr. Fort, if you could talk a little bit about the service, 
the importance of the IRS being able to provide timely 
information to those that are more modest in income, and the 
fact that if we do not maintain the funding that we have 
provided under the Inflation Reduction Act to improve the 
service levels at the IRS, the impact will adversely impact 
middle-income and lower-income families.
    Mr. Fort. Thanks for the question, Senator, and I 
completely agree with Dr. Sarin's comments.
    The world in which I lived in the IRS for 30 years was all 
on the criminal side. But I agree completely that the bottom 
line is, less money means less agents, less service, and less 
ability to really pinpoint in on where the work and where the 
resources need to be deployed.
    Senator Cardin. Thank you.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    The Chairman. I thank my colleague. The next Senators have 
spent a lot of time thinking about these issues.
    I am going to call on Senator Bennet and then Senator 
Warner.
    Senator Bennet. Mr. Chairman, if I could go after Senator 
Warner, I would be happy to defer to Senator Warner.
    The Chairman. In the parlance of the Senate, they are 
yielding to their friends and all the rest. I am happy to do 
that.
    Senator Bennet. By after, I mean directly after.
    The Chairman. Exactly. There is going to be no question 
that after Senator Warner will be Senator Bennet.
    Senator Warner. That is extremely gracious, and I will make 
my question very brief.
    I do want to say that I am not really sure that Senator 
Cardin was here ahead of Senator Bennet and I, but we both have 
such respect for Senator Cardin. You may know that we let him 
sit in your chair on the last hearing, and offered the fact 
that if he would reconsider his decision not to run again, 
maybe we could work out something on a longer-term basis. I 
know you rushed back into the hearing after that.
    The Chairman. It all sounds very collegial. I do want to 
note for the record that Senator Cardin was here first. Thank 
you.
    Senator Warner. I will be very brief.
    Dr. Sarin, it is great to see you. Thank you, thank you, 
thank you for your work. I do want to clarify, and I hope my 
Republican staff colleagues will bring this back to the other 
members. The question of funding IRS and tax savings was hugely 
bipartisan.
    In the Infrastructure gang, there was agreement on using 
these funds. There was a question and concern that we might 
come back and double-dip, but there was broad Republican 
agreement--maybe not at quite the $80-billion mark, but at 
least at 40, and I think we could have nudged to 60--that we 
would have had huge savings.
    There was concern that we might come back--and whatever, 
Build Back Better morphed into IRA--and reuse it again. So, I 
hope, and I will mention with Senator Tillis--there was a huge 
understanding on this. And frankly, the CBO estimate of the $80 
billion saving $120 billion was at the low end of the 
estimates.
    There have been some, including Larry Summers and others, 
who think that the savings were extraordinarily higher. And I 
know Senator Menendez already raised this, and I desperately 
hope that what has been quietly agreed to as a bipartisan 
initiative does not get slowly chipped away.
    I would point out, Mr. Chairman, that if the House 
approach, if their threat to have our country default were to 
be taken up, and if they were to exclude a half-dozen 
entities--now they say they do not want to cut on the domestic 
side like veterans and others--I believe they would take back 
all $80 billion and, on top of that, would potentially cut IRS 
an additional 30 percent.
    So the question, when we have members who say, ``I want to 
make sure my phone call, my constituent's phone call is 
returned in a timely manner,'' we would take an organization 
that has already been decimated by cuts and send it right over 
the precipice.
    I just do not get the fact that--I know there is a 
reluctance from some of my Republican friends to ever look at 
the revenue side of the house, although all of us who were 
involved in debt and deficit issues earlier realized we had to 
do revenues. But the easiest place to do revenues is actually 
tax enforcement.
    Dr. Sarin?
    Dr. Sarin. It certainly is, Senator Warner. And I will say 
that the lack of ability to collect 2 percent of GDP on an 
annualized basis, that's $600 billion that is just sitting 
there to help us address our fiscal sustainability concerns.
    Senator Warner. And we have had--this tax season came out 
relatively well. I wish we would have a little more revenue so 
we have a little more time on the attempts for some to have our 
Nation default.
    But just very briefly, since I said I was not going to take 
all my time and give back to Senator Bennet, you know, one of 
the things I have raised in this committee with Commissioner 
Werfel is to make sure that the Employee Retention Tax Credit--
you know, we are seeing some of that process speed up. We have 
had a lot of Virginia businesses file, and I know there are a 
lot of Colorado businesses as well.
    But if we were to cut back these funds, wouldn't that just 
make the problem worse, and are we not--there are a lot of 
priorities at the IRS. But isn't the Commissioner starting to 
knock those down, and isnt the success rate we have seen 
recently a sign, a step in the right direction?
    Dr. Sarin. Certainly, and he says that they are going to be 
able to double them now that filing season is over. But I will 
say, Senator Warner, that the way we got into this situation 
with small businesses waiting in limbo with the IRS, was 
precisely because we had a decimated agency that could not do 
this work, and that is why the IRA is----
    Senator Warner. I am going to ask you to cut off, because 
Senator Bennet will never be gracious again if I do not stop at 
this point.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Well said, Senator Warner.
    Senator Bennet?
    Senator Bennet. Well said, not about the gracious part but 
about the----
    Just to follow up on your answer to Senator Warner, Dr. 
Sarin, when you say the $600 billion is ``just sitting there,'' 
what do you mean, it is just sitting there?
    Dr. Sarin. What I mean is that today, the difference 
between the taxes that are owed based on the tax law that is on 
the books, and what the IRS is able to collect is around $600 
billion a year. Left unaddressed over the course of the next 
decade, that is going to be $7.8 trillion that 
disproportionately comes from a tax evasion benefit to the top 
1 percent.
    Senator Bennet. And that is what I was going to ask you 
about. So, if you take--so you are saying that $600 billion 
that is owed, it is known that it is owed?
    Dr. Sarin. Correct, and that is actually an understatement 
of true evasion in the economy, because we know that high-
income individuals and complex partnerships are able to hide 
their income even from the audits we use to measure the tax 
gap.
    Senator Bennet. And so, how is that $600 billion--I mean, 
can you talk a little, just a little bit about how that is 
calculated in this sense? You know, are you talking about 
people who have filed with the IRS and obscured the reality of 
their tax liability, or are you talking about people who just 
have never filed with the IRS? Add up that $600 billion.
    Dr. Sarin. Absolutely. So what I am talking about, where 
the IRS has relatively good measurements of evasion, is with 
respect to the individual income tax gap, where it does random 
audit studies and it looks at the difference between what you 
report, or whether or not you file, and what you actually owed.
    But what we know is that the top of the distribution is 
actually even able to conceal its true income position even 
from those audits. We know that between 2014 and 2016, 100 of 
the wealthiest nonfilers, people who did the most blatant kind 
of evasion, which is not even file their taxes, were 
responsible for $10 billion of lost revenue to the fisc.
    Senator Bennet. And of the $600 billion, that is--I mean, 
that is an annual number?
    Dr. Sarin. That is an annual number.
    Senator Bennet. So, why is that an annual number? That is 
something--so every year, there is the gap that you are talking 
about?
    Dr. Sarin. Correct. Each and every year we fail to collect 
around $600 billion.
    Senator Bennet. And what does that mean to the American 
people, the tax debt--the other taxpayers who are actually 
paying what is owed--if it is $600 billion a year and it is 
another $600 billion a year and then another $600 billion a 
year?
    Dr. Sarin. It creates, and we have not gotten--I am so 
grateful for the question, because it is an opportunity to 
comment on the fact that you have a system where, for any new 
fiscal needs that the government identifies, the only group 
that bares the costs of those needs is the group of taxpayers 
that are complying with their tax obligations.
    So you have a real competitive distortion in the economy, 
where certain types of wealthy taxpayers just do not pay what 
they owe.
    Senator Bennet. I am not a--I do not have my calculator 
with me, but I can tell you, Mr. Chairman, you could pay for a 
lot of the Child Tax Credit with that $600 billion.
    Dr. Sarin. You certainly could, Senator.
    Senator Bennet. If you wanted to.
    I, with just the remaining time I have left, I want to 
thank the chair for holding this meeting, and the reason I want 
to thank you is that I have talked to families and small 
businesses all over Colorado, and I have heard that they expect 
the IRS to work quickly to get Coloradans their returns, which 
they do not get them, and they expect to have some decent 
customer support.
    The IRS, when we passed the Child Tax Credit, when we 
passed the Earned Income Tax Credit, the enhancements to those 
things, that was a lot of work. But people were able to benefit 
from that, and we were able to do it in real time. I think that 
is because a lot of us were pushing really hard.
    But I think Coloradans and people all over this country 
deserve a 21st-century tax administrator, one that answers the 
phone when they call, and that allows them to upload documents 
electronically, that flags easy to fix errors in their returns.
    This sounds like hocus-pocus or magic, but it is the way a 
lot of other tax systems in the industrialized world work. It 
is not the way our system works, and that is one of the 
reasons, frankly, why it is so easy to get away with the kind 
of tax fraud that you are talking about, the cheating that you 
are talking about.
    The people who are not benefiting from that are working 
people who are trying to get the benefit of their credit back 
from the IRS and cannot do it because they have not been able 
to get their phone calls returned, or because the agency is 
running software that was written in the 1960s. No offense to 
the 1960s, but I think we can do better than that.
    So I hope for anything else, Mr. Chairman, out of this, 
that you are able to pull some of the politics out of this 
issue, that we can put people back to work so they can be 
responsive to the people we represent, and we can get on to the 
matters that really are of concern to the American people, 
which is having a tax code that actually supports working 
people and their efforts in an economy where, for 50 years, all 
the benefits have accrued to the people at the very top.
    So, thanks for having me, and thanks for having this 
hearing.
    The Chairman. That sums it up. Thank you.
    Senator Cortez Masto?
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Fort, I am going to direct this first question to you. 
The power of the Supreme Court to impact Nevadans' lives every 
day is clearer than ever before. The Citizens United decision 
in 2010 led to a dark money spending spree, where groups could 
influence our elections with billions in new spending from the 
shadows, absent any clear guidance or enforcement. Our 
elections have become vulnerable to bad actors and foreign 
interference without sufficient transparency into who is behind 
these campaigns.
    Foreign political contributions are illegal under campaign 
finance laws. It is extremely difficult to enforce these, since 
these groups do not disclose information publicly, or to the 
IRS, about their funding sources. The GAO found that the IRS 
does not check for illegal foreign money in U.S. elections.
    This is why, last Congress, I joined the Spotlight Act with 
Senators Tester and Wyden, and the DISCLOSE Act with Senator 
Whitehouse, to increase transparency and disclosure of donors 
by political special interests and malicious actors. So, Mr. 
Fort, I guess my question to you is, how does the lack of 
investment harm the IRS's ability for due diligence, to create 
better transparency and accountability regarding the influence 
of dark money groups?
    Mr. Fort. Thanks for the question, Senator. So, my entire 
career was with the criminal side of the IRS, so I did not work 
on the civil side of the IRS, so I cannot address that part of 
the question.
    I can tell you from a criminal standpoint, that is a type 
of work that the IRS special agents would be involved in with 
the Department of Justice and other Federal agencies to address 
that from a criminal standpoint. And just as a general comment 
from my experience and background, the years of budget cuts and 
stagnant budgets mean less application of resources to those 
type of critical areas that you mentioned.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Well, and that is the point, right? 
We are hearing more budget cuts, right? Already the IRS is 
underfunded because of all of the cuts. But I hear some of my 
Republican colleagues continuing to want to cut even the 
additional resources that we put into the IRS just to catch up, 
right?
    And so, it is going to have a devastating impact on the IRS 
and its ability to enforce, whether that is civil or criminal; 
is that correct?
    Mr. Fort. Yes. I would agree. They are at a breaking point, 
and it would be catastrophic at this point.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Mr. Sepp, let me ask you this. The 
National Taxpayer Advocate's annual report to Congress 
highlights the continuing inability for taxpayers with 
questions to reach the IRS. While we have seen awesome growth 
in responses, the IRS is still playing catch-up when it comes 
to implementing technologies to make customer service more 
efficient.
    Your testimony notes that the IRS must learn to walk before 
it runs regarding IT. However, this is simply the IRS playing 
catch-up while technology continues to advance. How can the IRS 
take a dual approach to improve its cybersecurity while moving 
forward with its technological advancements?
    Mr. Sepp. Well, the addition of a CIO, Senator, to the IRS 
has been helpful. I have to think that there needs to be closer 
management of both tracks through something like an IRS 
Oversight Board. I also think there has to be a new philosophy 
toward compliance in the electronic sphere. The legislation 
that you and Senator Blackburn introduced to put parity between 
mail and electronic communications with the IRS is very 
important.
    It is insane that online filers who owe money do not get 
the same kind of deference as somebody who throws a check in 
the mailbox. They automatically become noncompliant if they do 
not have a certain number of hours before filing their payment 
on time. That makes absolutely no sense.
    So it is a managerial issue as well as funding issue. The 
priorities are going to have to be established, especially in 
the electronic infrastructure. We talk about putting the cart 
before the horse. We have not really even built the barn yet 
when it comes to cybersecurity infrastructure. If we are going 
to go after cybercriminals for revenues, the IRS needs much 
more robust infrastructure to be able to handle that.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you; thank you.
    Dr. Sarin, in a 2020 article with Larry Summers and Charles 
Rossotti, you discuss how unpaid taxes total more than all the 
individual income taxes paid by the lowest 90 percent of 
earners. You note that the top 1 percent of earners are 
responsible for at least 30 percent of the tax gap.
    Likewise, in your testimony, you highlighted that if the 
United States was able to collect the taxes that were already 
on the books, deficits would shrink by nearly half. We are on 
the verge of financial catastrophe by defaulting on our debts. 
It is a conversation that, unfortunately, the Republican 
Speaker refuses to take off the table.
    Per your testimony, the Inflation Reduction Act can help 
ensure that we reduce the amount of debt that we owe; is that 
correct?
    Dr. Sarin. That is absolutely correct.
    Senator Cortez Masto. So, if we repeal the Inflation 
Reduction Act--which again, Speaker McCarthy and some of the 
right-wing Republicans in the House want to do--how can we then 
actually tackle the tax gap?
    Dr. Sarin. You cannot, and what happens is that, in the 
context of a conversation about the debt ceiling and the 
importance of addressing our deficits, you actually have some 
who are arguing for a measure that we know will add to the 
deficit and be a tax cut for the wealthy and large corporations 
who are evading their fair share.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. I thank my colleague. We have Senators, I 
believe, coming.
    I want to ask a question of you, Dr. Sarin, with respect to 
gift tax audits. Intentionally failing to file a return is a 
crime, but some very affluent individuals still do not file 
gift tax returns.
    The IRS examined just 95 gift tax returns in 2019. That is 
an audit rate of about 0.04 percent, 20 times lower than the 
rate at which the IRS audited returns claiming the Earned 
Income Tax Credit. Professor Sarin, in your view, what would 
repealing IRA funding do to the IRS's ability to police gift 
and estate tax compliance by the very affluent?
    Dr. Sarin. Thank you so much for the question, Senator. 
This came up in, actually, some of my early work on tax 
administration. The estate tax rate is something like 40 
percent. The effective estate tax is around 13.5 percent. There 
are a lot of tricks people play--some are legal, some are 
illegal--to avoid their estate and gift tax obligations.
    And this should be an area of high focus for the agency 
going forward, and it is an area where you are absolutely 
right: capacity is totally depleted. Estate tax and gift tax 
audit rates are essentially zero today. But a decade ago, they 
were only 1 percent.
    So, it is not like this is an area where the IRS has 
historically had the capacity to invest. Finally, we are giving 
them the tools they need and the resources they need and the 
stability of multiyear funding to actually be able to invest in 
hiring the type of experts who are going to be able to unpack 
all of these tricks.
    And what that is going to do directly is raise more 
revenue, but also what it is going to do indirectly is 
encourage less of the gamesmanship and make sure that people, 
especially the very wealthiest who are so privileged in this 
economy, are able to pay their fair share.
    The Chairman. Thank you.
    Senator Brown?
    Senator Brown. Mr. Chairman, thank you, and I apologize 
for--I am having a Banking hearing with the CEOs of Silicon 
Valley Bank.
    The Chairman. Doing important work.
    Senator Brown. Thank you. I will not keep you long. It will 
not be the whole 5 minutes.
    I recently introduced the FEND Off Fentanyl Act, a 
bipartisan bill to help prevent increasingly dangerous forms of 
fentanyl from reaching communities in Oregon and Ohio and 
elsewhere, by going after it at the source: the transnational 
criminal organizations and the money launderers who make the 
profits possible. Stemming the flow of fentanyl is a bipartisan 
priority. It requires an across-
government effort. The IRS Criminal Investigation unit plays an 
important role in that effort.
    Mr. Fort, what would happen to IRS efforts to help stop the 
flow of fentanyl into our communities if the IRS resources were 
cut back?
    Mr. Fort. Thank you for the question, Senator. A reduction 
or a cut in the funding would mean less cases, exactly the type 
of cases you are talking about. They have primary 
responsibility over tax crimes, but very broad authority in the 
types of cases you talked about: multiagency narcotics 
investigations, terrorist financing, things like that. A cut in 
the budget would put those cases at serious risk.
    Senator Brown. Thank you.
    I understand in the case you cited earlier in your 
testimony, that the payments largely occurred in 
cryptocurrency. Tell us why the IRS is uniquely positioned to 
combat crimes happening with cryptocurrency?
    Mr. Fort. It is a great question. So what IRS special 
agents bring to the table is the ability to follow the money. 
Other Federal agencies have other strengths and do amazing 
work, but following the money is critical to taking down these 
types of criminal organizations.
    IRS CI has been at the lead and the forefront in 
investigating crimes around cryptocurrency, back from the days 
of Silk Road, AlphaBay, BTC-e, Welcome to Video--the list goes 
on and on. They really have been leading the charge in those 
investigations.
    Senator Brown. Thank you, Mr. Fort.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you, and thanks to all of you.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Brown, for bringing up 
fentanyl cases in particular. Oregon has been hit very, very 
hard by these fentanyl criminals. You brought up a case. I 
asked Mr. Fort about it as well.
    These are the real-world consequences of what it means to 
basically let these McCarthy budgets slash enforcement funding, 
and I thank you for coming in.
    You all have been very patient, and I thank you for it. 
This has been a very instructive kind of hearing, and if I were 
to sum it up--I have heard it mentioned by our witnesses; I 
have heard a Senator or two mention it. Guard rails make common 
sense, and I can work on those in a bipartisan way.
    But make no mistake about it, the first bill that came out 
of the House was not about guard rails. It was about tossing 
the additional enforcement money into the trash can. What we 
have seen is examples today with respect to the real-world kind 
of benefits in terms of service and fighting tax cheats.
    Mr. Edwards, I really noted your comment about the 
strategic operating plan having good things in it. I think 
those were exactly your words--and I am going to recognize my 
colleague from Washington who has been a very strong advocate 
of defending taxpayers and making sure the service is good.
    With just my last comment, we can tackle these issues in a 
bipartisan way. I wrote two comprehensive tax reform bills, one 
with Judd Gregg and one with Senator Coats, who sat over there. 
They incorporated a number of the ideas we are talking about 
today. In fact, unless my memory fails me, I think, Mr. 
Edwards, your organization was very helpful, and what we said 
was, we are going to give everybody in America the chance to 
get ahead. We are going to be for innovation, we are going to 
be for fairness, Democrats and Republicans.
    We can tackle these issues in a bipartisan way. I do not 
think we are going to be able to tackle them if we just say we 
are going to toss all the new enforcement money in the trash 
can, and a number of you avoided saying that today. I noted it, 
and I noted your comment, Mr. Edwards, with respect to the 
benefits of the strategic operating plan.
    So, after Senator Cantwell finishes, we will wrap up. But 
we are interested in talking to all four of you in the days 
ahead. You have a lot of experience in this area, and we get 
common ground between people who can have different views.
    That is what fixing the tax code is all about, and that is 
what I have been all about since the years when I had a full 
head of hair and rugged good looks. So, we will look forward to 
talking to you.
    Senator Cantwell?
    Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know that 
there have been many members here asking various questions. I 
have definitely been asking lots of questions about the backlog 
at the IRS, and communication.
    In the Inflation Reduction Act, actually there are a number 
of enhancements to customer service, such as improved phone 
services, self-account services that allow them to interact 
with the IRS, manage payments and funds. So, what does anybody 
think the future of this looks like down the road, when we 
bring this level of efficiency to the system? I see, Dr. Sarin, 
you are nodding, so you must know the most about this or have a 
vision about it.
    Dr. Sarin. Well, Senator Cantwell, I think it is an 
incredibly important question, and I will say a couple of 
things in response. One is that the type of backlogs that you 
are speaking to, what happened during the pandemic, the fact 
that the IRS walked into tax year 2021 with 20 million 
unprocessed returns, that will never happen again thanks to the 
Inflation Reduction Act.
    It will never happen again because you have given the IRS 
the tools that it needs to fundamentally digitize its 
operations, such that it is not people--currently today, it is 
people hand-transcribing line items from paper returns.
    The world of the future is here, and it is here--the IRS is 
the only organization that functions this way today. We should 
be able to instantaneously scan and digitize that information 
so that returns are processed instantaneously, and that is what 
you have given the IRS the tools to do.
    During the pandemic, the IRS answered less than 15 percent 
of taxpayer calls. This is because it did not have people to 
put on the phones. Thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act, the 
IRS does. And you have seen instantaneous changes with respect 
to something like an 87-percent level of service.
    The IRS of the future is going to be an IRS where, just 
like you communicate with your financial institution, you can 
deposit checks instantaneously on your phone, you can reach 
someone in live time. That is the future that the IRS is going 
to be able to build, now that it has these resources.
    And the American taxpayers should be incredibly excited 
about what it means to be in a country where you have a tax 
administrator that is in the 21st century.
    Senator Cantwell. What else do we need to do, do you think, 
to make sure that that happens and stays consistent to that 
vision that you are articulating?
    Dr. Sarin. I think there is a real risk, and it has been 
unfortunate to observe, over the course of that last several 
months, calls for rescinding these funds, because rescinding 
these funds puts the IRS back into the Dark Ages.
    What also will put the IRS back into the Dark Ages is if, 
in the discretionary appropriations process, we don't allow the 
IRS to use these IRA funds to do this transformative 21st-
century building-a-new-IRS work, by making them use their 
discretionary funds to plug holes in day-to-day operations, if 
we do not give them what they need in the discretionary process 
to continue to answer those phones and to continue to pay the 
workforce that they already have.
    Senator Cantwell. Well, I think also in the information--
having worked in software, I mean, one of the things you want 
to know right away is, what is the most prevailing problem that 
people have, and then you want to be able to communicate about 
that.
    I would think that that is--you know, in the backlog, in 
the questions, you could see where there was a sticking point, 
particularly when there were some changes to the code and you 
knew that people were going to have a tough time understanding 
that.
    So it just seems like that would also give the IRS the 
ability to look at what is not being communicated or what some 
of the problems are and be able to try to address them, or to 
say this is where all these cases are left, or this is why we 
are having a backlog, or here is who we are having a backlog 
with, or it is this segment of the population.
    So I am glad that you think that this resource is going to 
go where we need to go for the future, because I totally agree. 
The IRS has to be a digital IRS for sure, and this is where we 
improve service, improve communications, and give people 
answers.
    So, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. I thank my colleague.
    What a fitting kind of ending, to make the technology 
initiative that is in front of the IRS the last subject, and I 
thank you all.
    With respect to the rules of the committee, all members 
have to get back to us within 1 week by 5 p.m., and thanks to 
all our witnesses for their patience and professionalism. I 
thank you.
    The Finance Committee is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 12:15 p.m., the hearing was concluded.]
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

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        Prepared Statement of Chris Edwards, Kilts Family Chair 
                   in Fiscal Studies, Cato Institute
                   
    Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Crapo, and members of the committee, 
thank you for inviting me to testify at today's hearing, ``House 
Republican Supplemental IRS Funding Cuts.''

    The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) included $79 billion of added 
funding for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which will help to 
double the agency's budget in nominal dollars between 2023 and 2031.\1\ 
House Republicans would rescind most of the new funding in the recent 
Limit, Save, Grow Act.
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    \1\ Budget of the U.S. Government, Fiscal Year 2024, Analytical 
Perspectives (Washington, DC: Government Publishing Office, 2023), 
Table 25-1. I am referring to outlays on the budget functions taxpayer 
services, business systems modernization, operations support, and 
enforcement, not outlays for refundable credits.

    The IRS has been the focus of attention because of its poor 
taxpayer services and outdated technologies. The agency recently issued 
a Strategic Operating Plan (SOP) that promised major improvements.\2\
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    \2\ Inflation Reduction Act Strategic Operating Plan, FY 2023-2031 
(Washington, DC: Internal Revenue Service, 2023).

                      unbalanced funding increase
                      
    The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) included $79 billion in mandatory 
spending for the IRS over the coming decade, with $45.6 billion for 
enforcement, $25.3 billion for operations support, $4.8 billion for 
business systems modernization (technology), and $3.2 billion for 
taxpayer services.

    Figure 1 shows the Biden administration's proposed spending 
increases for the four main budget components of the IRS.\3\ The 
figures include the IRA funding plus projected discretionary funding.
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    \3\ Budget of the U.S. Government, Fiscal Year 2024, Analytical 
Perspectives (Washington, DC: Government Publishing Office, 2023), 
Table 25-1. In addition to these outlays, the IRS has large outlays for 
refundable credits.

    Outlays for taxpayer services and business systems are projected to 
rise for a few years and then fall, while enforcement outlays will grow 
rapidly and more than triple by 2031. Enforcement spending will rise 
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from 38 percent of the total this year to 61 percent by 2033.

    These funding priorities are off kilter. The Biden budget projects 
business systems outlays to be lower in 2033 than today, yet the needs 
for new technology will likely remain high. Also, taxpayer services 
need major improvements: one recent survey ranked the IRS last among 
221 private companies and public agencies on customer service.\4\
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    \4\ Survey cited in National Taxpayer Advocate, ``Objectives Report 
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    The SOP says that added taxpayer services and technology 
funding will be needed above the IRA amounts.\5\ It discusses 
improvements to taxpayer services and business systems over 68 pages of 
text, but it discusses enforcement over just 17 pages.\6\ Despite this 
emphasis, enforcement received the lion's share of IRA funding.
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    \5\ Inflation Reduction Act Strategic Operating Plan, FY 2023-2031 
(Washington, DC: Internal Revenue Service, 2023), p. 129.
    \6\ Taxpayer services and business systems are discussed in 
Objectives 1, 2, and 4, while enforcement is discussed in Objective 3.

    Congress should consider rebalancing IRS funding away from 
enforcement and toward taxpayer services and business systems.

                          return on investment

    The Congressional Budget Office expects the $79 billion boost to 
IRS funding to raise $180 billion over 10 years.\7\ Supporters say this 
indicates a high ``return on investment'' from the funding, and thus a 
beneficial policy change.\8\ But that only considers the government's 
gain. Instead, policymakers should consider the overall costs and 
benefits to society.
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    \7\ Congressional Budget Office, ``Additional Information About 
Increased Enforcement by the Internal Revenue Service,'' August 25, 
2022.
    \8\ For example, see Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, 
``CBO Estimates $120 Billion from IRS Funding Boost,'' September 2, 
2021.

    Consider the costs. They include the $79 billion for the IRS and 
possibly higher private-sector compliance costs, which may be about 10 
percent of the revenues raised.\9\ Costs may also include dead-weight 
losses from taxpayers changing their behavior in ways that undermine 
output, such as reducing work and investment. Increased enforcement can 
also generate hard-to-quantify costs such as taxpayer anguish, 
financial uncertainty, and losses of civil liberties.
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    \9\ Rosemary Marcuss, et al., ``Income Taxes and Compliance Costs: 
How Are They Related,'' National Tax Journal 66, no. 4 (December 2013): 
833-854. And see Scott Hodge, ``The Tax Compliance Costs of IRS 
Regulations,'' Tax Foundation, August 23, 2022. The estimates do not 
include all private-sector costs such as post-filing activities and tax 
lobbying.

    Now consider the benefits. The government will raise a net $101 
billion for added spending, but that will likely displace private-
sector spending. Thus, policymakers need to consider whether the added 
spending they envision is worth more than the private spending 
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displaced plus the costs of raising the revenue.

    Improvements in taxpayer services and business systems could reduce 
taxpayer costs, increase IRS accuracy, and boost compliance with the 
law. Thus, the more funding going toward these activities, the more 
likely there will be a win-win for taxpayers and the government. The 
National Taxpayer Advocate argues that ``the most efficient way to 
improve compliance is by encouraging and helping taxpayers to do the 
right thing on the front end. That is much cheaper and more effective 
than trying to audit our way out of the tax gap one taxpayer at a time 
on the back end.''\10\
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    \10\ National Taxpayer Advocate, ``IRS Strategic Operating Plan Has 
Potential to Transform Tax Administration,'' NTA Blog, April 6, 2023.

    By contrast, more aggressive IRS enforcement would increase 
taxpayer costs, as they would invest more time and energy defending 
themselves. The IRS would catch some additional tax cheats, but law-
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abiding taxpayers would face collateral damage.

    Collateral damage would result because the IRS makes many errors, 
which is not surprising given the complexity of the tax code. The 
issues at dispute are often gray, as illustrated by litigation 
statistics, which show that the IRS wins only about half the time.\11\ 
For Tax Court and refund cases closed over the past 5 years, the IRS on 
decision gained just 48 percent of the dollars in dispute.
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    \11\ Internal Revenue Service, Data Book 2022 (Washington, DC: 
Internal Revenue Service, 2023), Table 29. I've included Tax Court and 
refund cases, 2018 to 2022.

    Similarly, IRS auditing imposes collateral damage because many 
audited taxpayers have paid the correct amount. For example, between 40 
to 50 percent of partnership audits result in no recommended 
changes.\12\ For individuals earning more than $5 million, the audit 
no-change rate is just under 40 percent.\13\ Given that audits are 
often targeted by IRS algorithms and discrepancies, these percentages 
seem quite high. Recommended changes can be wrong and may be appealed. 
Tax litigation expert Daniel Pilla believes that more than half of IRS 
audit results are incorrect.\14\
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    \12\ Internal Revenue Service, Data Book 2022 (Washington, DC: 
Internal Revenue Service, 2023), Table 17. The no-change rate is 40 to 
50 percent based on closed audits for 2012 to 2017.
    \13\ Government Accountability Office, ``Tax Compliance: Trends of 
IRS Audit Rates and Results for Individual Taxpayers by Income,'' GAO-
22-104960, May 2022, Figure 4. The GAO no-change estimates are higher 
than figures in the IRS Data Book for reasons the GAO discusses.
    \14\ Daniel Pilla argues, ``IRS's audit results are incorrect 
between 60 and 90 percent of the time,'' which he says stems from 
relatively few taxpayers challenging them. Daniel Pilla, ``Three False 
Narratives Being Used in the IRS Funding Push,'' National Review, May 
17, 2021.

    The IRS and the Biden administration promise to focus increased 
enforcement on high-earning households. Interestingly, IRS data show 
that tax recommended on audits is higher relative to income for middle-
income returns than for high-income returns. For audits with 
recommended changes, the changes average roughly 5 to 8 percent of 
income for middle-income taxpayers but just 1 to 3 percent of income 
for high earners.\15\ High-earning taxpayers are more likely to receive 
expert tax advice, and thus less likely to make errors.
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    \15\ Government Accountability Office, ``Tax Compliance: Trends of 
IRS Audit Rates and Results for Individual Taxpayers by Income,'' GAO-
22-104960, May 2022. Author calculations based on Tables 1 and 4. I 
roughly estimated income within each group to calculate the ratios. You 
can see the same pattern in the IRS Data Book Table 17.

    Of course, the IRS needs to enforce the tax laws, as enforcement 
deters cheating. But there are downsides to increased enforcement, 
including higher compliance costs, higher dead-weight losses, and added 
stress and uncertainty for families and businesses. With more 
aggressive enforcement, taxpayers who are already paying the correct 
amount will need to expend time and energy defending themselves. And 
because the IRS is such a powerful agency, aggressive tax enforcement 
can put civil liberties at risk.\16\
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    \16\ Civil liberties issues are summarized in Joseph Bishop-
Henchman, ``Transforming the Internal Revenue Service,'' Cato 
Institute, April 11, 2023.

                         federal tax gap stable
                         
    Last year, the IRS released a new estimate of the ``tax gap,'' 
which is the amount of Federal taxes owed but not paid.\17\ The average 
gross tax gap for 2014-2016 was $496 billion, and after late payments 
and enforcement the net gap was $428 billion. The report includes tax 
gap estimates for prior years and a projection for 2017-2019.
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    \17\ Federal Tax Compliance Research: Tax Gap Estimates for Tax 
Years 2014-2016 (Washington, DC: Internal Revenue Service, August 
2022).

    The dollar value of the tax gap has increased over time, but the 
gap has not increased when compared to the Nation's gross domestic 
product (GDP), as shown in Figure 2.\18\ Despite the decline in audit 
rates, the tax gap dipped from 3.3 percent of GDP 2 decades ago to 2.6 
percent more recently. The degree to which Americans are law-abiding on 
Federal taxes does not appear to have changed much over time.
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                     u.s. and foreign tax gaps
                     
    International studies show that the U.S. tax gap is not high 
compared to other advanced economies. Our Federal tax gap is 2.6 
percent of GDP, and if we assume the same nonpayment rate for State-
local taxes, the overall U.S. tax gap is about 4.0 percent of GDP.\19\ 
That figure may be compared to other countries.
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    \19\ I estimated State-local tax gaps based on the ratio of total 
State-local to Federal tax revenues of 0.52 to 1.0 over the past 3 
years.

          In a 2018 study, Konrad Raczkowski and Bogdan Mroz estimated 
        that the tax gap for the United States was 3.8 percent of GDP 
        and the gap for 28 European Union (EU) countries was 7.7 
        percent of GDP.\20\
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    \20\ Konrad Raczkowski and Bogdan Mroz, ``Tax Gap in the Global 
Economy,'' Journal of Money Laundering Control 21, no. 4 (December 
2018): 545-554.

          In a 2015 study, Konrad Raczkowski estimated that the tax 
        gap for 28 EU countries was 10.7 percent of GDP.\21\
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    \21\ Konrad Raczkowski, ``Measuring the Tax Gap in the European 
Economy,'' Journal of Economics and Management 21, no. 3 (October 
2015): 58-72.

          In a 2019 study, Richard Murphy estimated that the tax gap 
        for 28 EU countries was 5.6 percent of GDP.\22\
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    \22\ Richard Murphy, ``The European Tax Gap: A Report for the 
Socialists and Democrats Group in the European Parliament,'' Tax 
Research UK, January 23, 2019.

    However, the overall EU tax burden is higher than the U.S. burden. 
If we adjust the EU gap estimates down using the ratio of U.S. to EU 
taxes, the EU gap estimates are 5.1 percent for Raczkowski-Mroz, 7.1 
percent for Raczkowski, and 3.7 percent for Murphy.\23\ These figures 
are still similar or higher than the U.S. gap. However, there are a few 
advanced economies that have published detailed gap estimates that are 
lower than the U.S. gap.\24\
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    \23\ The ratio of U.S. taxes-to-GDP to EU taxes-to-GDP is about 
0.66.
    \24\ For example, see Canada Revenue Agency, ``Overall Federal Tax 
Gap Report,'' 2021. And see HM Revenue and Customs, ``Measuring tax 
gaps 2022 edition: Tax gap estimates for 2020 to 2021,'' June 23, 2022.

    The above bulleted studies are based on measures of shadow 
economies, which generally means otherwise legal activities that escape 
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taxation. Here are two further studies:

          In a 2018 study across 158 countries, Leandro Medina and 
        Friedrich Schneider found that the U.S. shadow economy is the 
        second smallest as a percent of GDP.\25\ From 2010 to 2015, the 
        U.S. shadow economy of 7.7 percent compared to the European 
        average of 20.2 percent.
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    \25\ Leandro Medina and Friedrich Schneider, ``Shadow Economies 
Around the World: What Did We Learn Over the Last 20 Years?'', IMF 
Working Paper, January 2018.

          In a 2016 study across 157 countries, Mai Hassan and 
        Friedrich Schneider estimated that the U.S. shadow economy was 
        8.3 percent of GDP in 2013 and the EU's was 23.1 percent.\26\
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    \26\ Mai Hassan and Friedrich Schneider, ``Size and Development of 
the Shadow Economies of 157 Countries Worldwide: Updated and New 
Measures from 1999 to 2013,'' Institute for the Study of Labor (IZA, 
Germany), October 2016. I calculated the average of 28 EU nations from 
their appendix.

    These sorts of estimates should be considered rough. Also, they 
overstate revenues that might be gained from enforcement if they do not 
account for behavioral responses.\27\ For example, if the IRS were to 
squeeze more money from businesses, some would cut hiring and 
investment, which would reduce the revenues raised.
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    \27\ Norman Gemmell and John Hasseldine, ``The Tax Gap: A 
Methodological Review,'' Advances in Taxation 20 (December 2012): 203-
231.

                  better ways to boost tax compliance
                  
    The IRA boosted enforcement spending to improve compliance, but 
there are three better ways to boost compliance that would benefit 
taxpayers and the economy.

    First, keeping taxes low to reduce incentives for cheating. 
Discussing international studies, Hassan and Schneider note, ``It is 
widely accepted in the literature that the most important cause leading 
to the proliferation of the shadow economy is the tax burden. The 
higher the overall tax burden, the stronger are the incentives to 
operate informally in The higher the overall tax burden, the stronger 
are the incentives to operate informally in order to avoid paying the 
taxes.''\28\
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    \28\ Mai Hassan and Friedrich Schneider, ``Size and Development of 
the Shadow Economies of 157 Countries Worldwide: Updated and New 
Measures from 1999 to 2013,'' Institute for the Study of Labor (IZA, 
Germany), October 2016.

    Second, improving taxpayer services, technologies, and employee 
training at the IRS, which would reduce filing and audit errors. The 
National Taxpayer Advocate said, ``Tax compliance depends on prompt, 
high-quality customer service, and when compliance becomes unduly 
burdensome, the IRS runs the risk that taxpayers will simply quit 
trying.''\29\
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    \29\ National Taxpayer Advocate, ``Hello, Is Anyone There? 
Taxpayers and Practitioners Continue to Experience Frustration Over 
Lack of Adequate Phone Service,'' NTA Blog, February 8, 2023.

    Third, simplifying the tax code. Rising complexity is an invitation 
for errors and abuse. In a 2022 report on IRS audits, the Government 
Accountability Office found, ``Since fiscal year 2010, average audit 
hours have more than doubled for returns with income of $200,000 and 
above.''\30\ That statistic likely reflects the rising complexity of 
the code.
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    \30\ Government Accountability Office, ``Tax Compliance: Trends of 
IRS Audit Rates and Results for Individual Taxpayers by Income,'' GAO-
22-104960, May 2022, p. 14.

    In 2012, the National Taxpayer Advocate said that tax code 
complexity ``facilitates tax avoidance by enabling sophisticated 
taxpayers to reduce their tax liabilities and by providing criminals 
with opportunities to commit tax fraud.''\31\ She concluded that tax 
reforms to simplify the code would ``reduce the likelihood that 
sophisticated taxpayers can exploit arcane provisions to avoid paying 
their fair share of tax; enable taxpayers to understand how their tax 
liabilities are computed and prepare their own returns; improve 
taxpayer morale and tax compliance.''\32\
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    \31\ Taxpayer Advocate Service, ``2012 Annual Report to Congress: 
Volume 1,'' December 31, 2012, p. 3.
    \32\ Taxpayer Advocate Service, ``2012 Annual Report to Congress: 
Volume 1,'' December 31, 2012, p. 22.

    Unfortunately, Congress has not heeded the NTA's advice. The IRA, 
for example, added 20 or so new and expanded energy tax breaks, many 
with complicated rules. The SOP says the energy provisions will cost 
$3.9 billion to administer, and they will surely generate enforcement 
problems. The new breaks will also boost costs for planning, 
compliance, and lobbying in the private sector since $1 trillion in 
benefits are at stake.\33\
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    \33\ Penn-Wharton Budget Model, ``Update: Budgetary Cost of Climate 
and Energy Provisions in the Inflation Reduction Act,'' April 27, 2023.

    The number of official tax expenditures has risen from 53 in 1970 
to 205 today, making the IRS's administration and enforcement job ever 
more difficult.\34\ We know from experience that complex tax 
expenditures, such as the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit, generate 
substantial errors and abuse.\35\ So tax simplification to eliminate 
special breaks would reduce the tax gap and reduce IRS costs for 
administration and enforcement.
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    \34\ Author counts based on Joint Committee on Taxation, 
``Estimates of Federal Tax Expenditures,'' JCX-22-22, December 22, 
2022, and Joint Committee on Taxation, ``Estimates of Federal Tax 
Expenditures,'' JCS-28-72, October 4, 1972.
    \35\ Chris Edwards and Vanessa Brown Calder, ``Low-Income Housing 
Tax Credit: Costly, Complex, and Corruption-Prone,'' Cato Institute, 
November 13, 2017.
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                              conclusions
                              
    IRS estimates show that the tax gap is not rising relative to the 
size of the economy, and the U.S. tax gap appears to be modest by 
international standards. Nonetheless, policymakers can reduce the tax 
gap by reducing tax rates, improving IRS services and efficiencies, and 
simplifying the tax code. Those policies would be a win for taxpayers, 
the government, and the economy.

    The National Taxpayer Advocate recently argued that IRA funding 
``is disproportionately allocated for enforcement activities, and I 
believe Congress should reallocate IRS funding to achieve a better 
balance with taxpayer service needs and IT modernization.''\36\ That 
seems right, and so a compromise between House and Senate may be to 
shift some of the enforcement increases to taxpayer services and 
business systems.
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    \36\ National Taxpayer Advocate, ``IRS Strategic Operating Plan Has 
Potential to Transform Tax Administration,'' NTA Blog, April 6, 2023.

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    Thank you for holding this important hearing.

                                 ______
                                 
Prepared Statement of John D. Fort, Director of Investigations, Kostela-
 netz, LLP; and Former Chief,  Criminal Investigation,  Internal Revenue
 Service
 
    Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Crapo, and members of the committee, 
thank you for the opportunity to discuss the need for consistent 
funding for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to address both critical 
service updates for the taxpayer experience and sufficient support for 
enforcement activities. As the former Chief of Criminal Investigation 
(CI) for the IRS, I have witnessed firsthand the important role that 
enforcement plays in promoting voluntary compliance with the Nation's 
tax laws. But enforcement does not operate in a vacuum within the IRS 
and the appropriate mix in funding enforcement, technology, and 
taxpayer service initiatives is the key to building an IRS that is both 
responsive and efficient.

    The IRS is the backbone of the Nation's tax system- it ensures the 
collection of taxes that fund our essential government programs and 
services. It is responsible for managing a budget of more than $11 
billion, which goes toward processing tax returns, enforcing 
compliance, and providing essential services to taxpayers. Underfunding 
the agency means putting the accuracy and efficacy of our tax system at 
risk.

    We have all heard the stories of the IRS using 60-year-old 
technology. While I know improvements in many areas have been made 
where possible, it is impossible to modernize an antiquated system and 
develop a range of new technologies to improve tax administration while 
executing filing seasons with a budget that does not allow for such 
improvements. The IRS needs advanced communication channels that allow 
taxpayers to reach the IRS quickly and efficiently through varies 
means. Upgrades are necessary to automate many of its procedures and 
increase the speed of their tax processing procedures. Taxpayers should 
be able to interact with the IRS in many of the same ways that they 
interact with their financial institutions. Such automated and digital 
upgrading cannot happen without constant and regular funding of the 
IRS.

    During my almost 30 years with the IRS, it was embarrassing to me 
as an employee that my elderly parents, in-laws, relatives, friends, 
and neighbors couldn't pick up the phone and call the IRS with a 
question, or better yet, manage their account online. It was not for a 
lack of effort by the IRS, but the years of budget cuts caused the 
service to make impossible choices to keep the lights on in certain 
areas. It appears that we are heading in that direction, albeit 30 
years later than needed with the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act 
(IRA). As the organization responsible for collecting 98 percent of the 
revenue for this country, trusting the public to figure out exactly 
what their tax obligation is seems contrary to me. It also seems 
contrary to me to starve the agency for so many years rather than try 
to facilitate these interactions with the public.

    Another critical concern is the implementation of recent tax law 
changes. Some of these changes impose new regulatory and reporting 
requirements on taxpayers, including many exclusively for the ultra-
wealthy; however, the real problem is the lack of expertise in the IRS 
staff relevant to new tax provisions. Acquiring and processing all this 
information will necessitate a massive amount of time and resources. 
Positioning a well-trained, diverse staff equipped with the latest 
modern technological changes is crucial to address these tax law 
changes. The IRS does not have the staff to accomplish this goal and 
they do not have the capacity to hire staff quickly enough to make 
changes from year to year. Nothing short of a complete overhaul to the 
way the IRS hires and trains their employees will make the changes 
needed to implement these important upgrades. But like any large 
organization, these changes have impacts on the entire organization. If 
the civil side of the IRS is going to ramp up the hiring of staff to be 
able to work more complex civil audits and produce more complex 
programs to aide in the efficiency of filing tax returns, similar 
investments will need to be made on the criminal side. CI will only be 
able to handle complex referrals to work complex cases if the 
investments in enforcement are on both sides. Currently, CI reports 
that only 6 percent of their inventory comes from civil referrals. This 
is a missed opportunity and the result of a lack of investment in all 
areas of enforcement for many years. It is important to remember that 
in a properly functioning tax administration system, the civil and 
criminal functions work closely together to align their goals and 
program areas.

    When most of the public thinks of the IRS, they think of filing 
their taxes and potentially getting audited. Taxpayer service and civil 
enforcement cannot exist on their own without similar, consistent 
funding for both areas. This funding is essential to ensure that 
taxpayers can receive the assistance they need from the agency to file 
their returns and resolve their disputes while knowing that audits 
conducted by the agency are fair and efficient. The decades of funding 
battles for the IRS have left the service in a place where achieving 
this result for the American public is not possible without a 
significant infusion of money over and above what the annual budget 
provides to the IRS.

    It will take far more, however, than a dramatic one-time infusion 
of money to cure what ails the Nation's revenue arm. Between 2010 and 
2019, according to the IRS Data Book, the agency's budget dropped from 
$14.6 billion to $11.5 billion, and its workforce dropped from 
approximately 94,000 employees to 73,000--all while the economy roared 
on and generated enormous wealth. Starving the IRS of funding was 
shortsighted, hurting the entire country.

    The voluntary compliance rate is estimated to be roughly 84 
percent, and every 1 percentage point in this level of compliance costs 
the U.S. approximately $40 billion dollars. When individuals or 
corporations skirt their tax obligations, they do so on the backs of 
their fellow Americans: They pay less, while the rest of us pay more.

    One of the areas that the IRA purports to help the service 
accelerate is their use of data analytics. With so many analytic tools 
available to comb through the endless amounts of data, not taking 
advantage of them would be foolish. There is likely no other agency in 
the world with as much rich data as the IRS, so the need to manage that 
data in a useful way could be the single most important thing the IRS 
needs to focus on.

    Data analytics is a very broad and often overused term. In the 
context of tax administration, it has the potential to be the ``secret 
sauce'' that allows the IRS to maximize the deployment of their human 
resources. In my opinion, the investment in data analytics needs to 
bring the analytics as close to the filing of the tax return as 
possible. If errors and anomalies are detected or mismatches occur when 
the return is filed--not just in identity theft--then the potential 
exists for these issues to be resolved without the IRS having to invest 
costly human resources to conduct an audit or investigation.

    The investment in data analytics pays dividends on the criminal 
side as well. While the Nationally Coordinated Investigations Unit 
(NCIU) began using complex models to build case leads several years ago 
while I was Chief, that model could supersize case development with the 
right investment from IRA money. This could reduce the amount of cases 
that are closed without action, increase the complexity of cases that 
are selected, and ultimately increase tax compliance by showing the 
public that illegal tax and other financial crimes are not a profitable 
business and that there are serious repercussions for non-compliance.

    As mentioned, I spent my career with the Criminal Investigation 
Division within the IRS--the only agency with the authority to 
investigate and recommend prosecution for violations of the tax code. 
CI forms the backbone of the voluntary compliance regime that our tax 
system depends on. Let me say that again--CI is the only agency in our 
government allowed to investigate and recommend prosecution of Federal 
tax crimes. The fact that you can be incarcerated for committing felony 
tax crimes in the United States provides a strong deterrent to those 
looking to take an unfair advantage over their neighbors and business 
competitors. Without sustained funding for rigorous enforcement, the 
system of voluntary compliance will continue to erode.

    While what follows is a glowing report of the successes of CI, what 
this testimony does not include is all of the criminals CI did not 
investigate due to a lack of resources over the years. Commonly 
referred to as the ``best financial investigators in the world,'' CI 
does not have the investigative capacity to work all the investigations 
that demand attention by the IRS and DOJ. CI could spend 100 percent of 
their time on any one program area and still not root out all crime in 
that program area. Trying to pick the most impactful cases that will 
create deterrence in each program area in each neighborhood in America 
has been the formula for success for many years. And while CI has 
achieved incredible results with a diminishing budget for years now, 
the amount of money left on the table by not investigating various 
egregious crimes where resources were not available is unfortunate and 
not fair to those of us that pay our fair share. IRA money is expected 
to close this gap for CI just as it will in other areas for the rest of 
the service.

    CI's services are in high demand by both the Department of Justice 
(DOJ) and by U.S. Attorney Offices around the country. There simply are 
not enough resources to work the priorities of the DOJ and the IRS 
alike. If you took a survey of the U.S. Attorney's Offices, you would 
quickly learn the immeasurable value that the men and women of IRS-CI 
bring to all their investigations. Prosecutors want the best financial 
investigators on all their cases and sometimes compromises must be made 
to ensure CI works those cases that have the biggest impact on the most 
people. Why should we have to compromise on significant tax and 
financial crime cases? Why should the world and our financial systems 
be less safe because we are not investing in the right places? This 
seems like an unnecessary choice to me.

    When difficult choices are made involving case selection and 
strong, righteous cases are not worked due to resource issues, the 
loser is the American public. Every major law enforcement agency brings 
their strengths to the table--CI's strengths are investigating 
financial crimes, often complex financial crimes. IRS-CI devotes 100 
percent of their resources to investigating financial crimes. Virtually 
every alleged Federal crime involves greed, and where there is greed 
there is money. Following the money is what CI does best, and that is 
backed up with a 92-percent conviction rate, believed to be one of the 
highest in Federal law enforcement. Like the rest of the IRS, CI 
understands the important role of oversight. They welcome that 
oversight as no one should expect a blank check without showing a 
return on the investment from the American taxpayer. This produces 
trust in the agency and is vital in today's world.

    In a system where resources are not without end, deterrence must 
play a significant role in enforcement. IRS-CI endeavors to maximize 
publicity of CI prosecutions to provide a strong deterrent message to 
would-be tax evaders and those who commit other financial crimes. This 
helps ensure integrity and fairness in the tax system. This is a 
fundamental premise to all prosecuted Federal financial crimes. There 
are not enough resources to investigate the way out of the problem, so 
publicity and deterrence plays a key role. The IRS's relevance with 
regards to tax enforcement relies heavily on the ability of CI to 
investigate and recommend prosecution of criminal tax violations to 
DOJ. While tax violations are the bread and butter of the agency, CI 
investigates and plays a critical role in much more than just tax 
violations. When Congress authorized Bank Secrecy Act and Money 
Laundering jurisdictions for the agency more than 50 years ago, it was 
because Congress recognized the importance of addressing these crimes 
required the skills and expertise of IRS-CI to help ``follow the 
money.'' For the last 50 years, there has been no agency better at 
following the money than IRS-CI and the role of IRS-CI has assisted in 
taking many dangerous organizations off the streets and has made 
Americans safer and our financial systems safer and more secure.

    Dr. Jeffrey A. Dubin is cofounder and partner in Pacific Economics 
Group and a tenured professor of economics at the California Institute 
of Technology. He has spent his career analyzing microeconomic modeling 
with an emphasis on discrete-choice econometrics. His research includes 
the effect of enforcement and publicity on the deterrence of future 
crimes. In 2007, his research found that ``CI activities have a 
measurable and significant effect on voluntary compliance. Second, it 
concludes that the mix of sentenced cases (for tax and money laundering 
violations) is not a significant determinant of tax compliance. Third, 
it finds that incarceration and probation (rather than fines) have the 
most influence on taxpayers. . . . Doubling CI tax and money laundering 
sentences is forecast to increase assessed collections by $16.0 
billion. It estimates the general deterrence or spillover effects from 
either audit or CI activities to be approximately 95 percent.''
                             
                             program areas
                             
    What follows is a small example of the types of cases in which CI 
has led or has been significantly involved in over the last few years. 
These cases show the breadth and skill of CI's Special Agents in 
various types of fraud and criminal activity that have had significant 
impacts on the financial system at home and overseas. Despite being 
underfunded for many years, CI has consistently outperformed 
expectations. Increased funding to CI would obviously mean an increase 
in impactful cases/
investigations. This increase in CI's pipeline would mean more 
criminals are held accountable, more deterrence to committing these 
crimes is created, and the domestic and global financial system is 
protected from the flow of illicit funds.

    It should also be noted that most of these cases were worked in a 
multiagency environment, with DOJ, one or more Federal agencies and 
often with one or more private industry partners. The use of multi-
agency investigations is a force multiplier in complex Federal 
investigations. Reduced funding for IRS-CI means reduced effectiveness 
for Federal multiagency investigations. Taking away one critical 
Federal agency, such as IRS-CI is akin to losing a link in a chain. 
This means fewer or less effective investigations of narcotic 
traffickers, child exploiters, terrorist financing organizations, Ponzi 
schemes, sanctions investigations and all other investigations that 
utilize this proven recipe for success.

Tax Investigations

    IRS-CI is the only Federal law enforcement agency authorized to 
investigate title 26 (Federal criminal tax) violations. Priority areas 
include abusive tax schemes, employment tax fraud, non-filers, 
questionable refund program, international tax enforcement, abusive 
return preparers, identity theft and many others. Crossover between tax 
and non-tax crimes is common and the effective utilization of 
multiagency investigations is utilized in many Federal tax 
investigations.

    Wealthy taxpayers have historically been able to shield themselves 
from the scrutiny of the tax authorities through complicated, but legal 
tax strategies. So, it stands to reason that to tackle this disparity 
in compliance rates, the IRS should consider a more equitable 
allocation of enforcement resources by addressing tax scams and other 
illegal activities that benefit the rich without targeting low- and 
middle-income earners. IRA funding should bridge this gap and allow CI 
to use data analytics, increased staffing, and better coordination with 
civil partners to find the most egregious tax cases to work.

    Case examples include:

    Kingston Investigation--3/16/2020
    https://www.irs.gov/compliance/criminal-investigation/jury-finds-
los-angeles-businessman-guilty-in-1-billion-biodiesel-tax-fraud-scheme
          Washakie Renewable Energy (WRE) was a company owned by Jacob 
        and Isaiah Kingston and located in Utah. WRE made false claims 
        for fuel excise tax credits exceeding $1.1 billion.
          Lev Dermen sentenced to 40 years and Jacob Kingston 
        sentenced to 18 years among others.

    Brockman Investigation--10/15/2020
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ceo-multibillion-dollar-software-
company-indicted-decades-long-tax-evasion-and-wire-fraud
          Robert Brockman, the CEO of an Ohio-based software company, 
        was indicted with tax evasion, wire fraud, money laundering, 
        and other offenses. The charges stem from a decades-long scheme 
        to conceal approximately $2 billion in income from the IRS as 
        well as a scheme to defraud investors in the software company's 
        debt securities.
          Brockman passed away before he could face trial.

    Antonieta Mena--6/24/21 (10 years); Melanie Wilhelm--8/13/2021 (27 
months)
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/owner-immigration-business-
pleads-guilty-defrauding-uscis-and-irs
          Subjects conspired to steal approximately $1.8 million from 
        the Treasury by directing fraudulently obtained tax refund 
        checks through an attorney client/trust accounts.
          Refund checks were issued based on false tax returns using 
        stolen identities from target immigration business and proceeds 
        were used to purchase about a dozen investment properties and 
        support subject's lifestyle.

    Singapore Solution--9/28/2021
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/indictment-unsealed-against-six-
individuals-and-foreign-financial-service-firm-tax-evasion
          Six people offshore financial service executives and a Swiss 
        financial services company were charged with conspiracy to 
        defraud the IRS by helping three large-value U.S. taxpayer 
        clients conceal more than $60 million in income and assets held 
        in undeclared, offshore bank accounts and to evade U.S. income 
        taxes.

    Credit Suisse--5/2014
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/credit-suisse-pleads-guilty-
conspiracy-aid-and-assist-us-taxpayers-filing-false-returns
          Bank admitted to helping U.S. taxpayers hide offshore 
        accounts from IRS and agreed to pay $2.6 billion, the highest 
        ever payment in a criminal tax case investigation; also led to 
        indictment of eight Credit Suisse employees since 2011.
          The plea agreement, along with agreements made with State 
        and Federal partners, provided that Credit Suisse would pay a 
        total of $2.6 billion--$1.8 billion to the Department of 
        Justice for the U.S. Treasury, $100 million to the Federal 
        Reserve, and $715 million to the New York State Department of 
        Financial Services.

Narcotics/Counterterrorism/National Security Investigations

    IRS-CI targets the illicit financial flows of Transnational 
Criminal Organizations to reduce the economic incentive of narcotics 
trafficking, terrorist financing, and money laundering. IRS-CI has key 
positions and is an equal partner with sister Federal agencies to 
enhance operational coordination with a variety of agencies to include 
the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement 
Task Force (OCDETF) Fusion Center, FinCEN, the High Intensity Drug 
Trafficking Areas (HIDTA), Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF), and 
National Counterintelligence Task Force (NCITF) to name a few. 
Investigations involve money laundering (title 18) and currency 
violations (title 31). IRS-CI is the largest user of Bank Secrecy Act 
data to identify significant financial criminal activity. IRS-CI 
recently released data showing that over the past 3 fiscal years, more 
than 83 percent of IRS-CI criminal investigations recommended for 
prosecution had a primary subject with a related BSA filing. 
Convictions in those cases resulted in average prison sentences of 38 
months, $7.7 billion in asset seizures, $256 million in restitution, 
and $225 million in asset forfeitures. Approximately 15.8 percent of 
all IRS-CI investigations opened during FY 2022 originated from a BSA 
form. Investigative areas from this data include money laundering, 
narcotics, public corruption, corporate fraud, terrorism, health-care 
fraud, and financial institution fraud.

    Case examples include:

    Operation SpecTor--5/2/23
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/largest-international-operation-
against-darknet-trafficking-fentanyl-and-opioids-results
          Operation SpecTor was a coordinated international effort 
        that spanned three continents to disrupt dark web fentanyl and 
        opioid trafficking. Operation SpecTor is a Joint Criminal 
        Opioid and Darknet Enforcement (JCODE) operation targeting 
        darknet trafficking of fentanyl and opioids.
          The operation resulted in 288 arrests--the most ever for any 
        JCODE operation and nearly double that of the prior operation. 
        Law enforcement conducted more seizures than any prior JCODE 
        operation, which included 117 firearms, 850 kilograms of drugs, 
        including 64 kilograms of fentanyl or fentanyl-laced narcotics 
        and $53.4 million in cash and virtual currency.

    El Chapo--2/12/19
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/joaquin-el-chapo-guzman-sinaloa-
cartel-leader-convicted-running-continuing-criminal
          Joaquin Archivaldo Guzman Loera, known by various aliases, 
        including ``El Chapo'' and ``El Rapido,'' was convicted of 
        being a principal operator of a continuing criminal 
        enterprise--the Mexican organized crime syndicate known as the 
        Sinaloa Cartel--a charge that includes 26 drug-related 
        violations and one murder conspiracy.
          Guzman Loera was convicted of all 10 counts of a superseding 
        indictment, including narcotics trafficking, using a firearm in 
        furtherance of his drug crimes and participating in a money 
        laundering conspiracy.

    El Chapitos--4/14/23
    https://www.irs.gov/compliance/criminal-investigation/four-of-
chapos-sons-indicted-for-large-scale-drug-trafficking-money-laundering-
and-violent-crimes-as-alleged-leaders-of-sinaloa-cartel
          El Chapitos, El Chapo's four children, who led the Sinaloa 
        cartel along with Mayo and Damaso Lopez Nunez, coordinated the 
        cartel's drug trafficking activities with other members and 
        associates of the cartel to import large quantities cocaine 
        from Central/South American countries into Mexico and then 
        further distribute the cocaine as well as heroin, 
        methamphetamine, and marijuana into the United States, 
        including the Chicago area, and other areas abroad.

    Vasquez-Hernandez--11/24/14
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/pr/sinaloa-cartel-member-
sentenced-22-years-federal-prison-plea-agreements-unsealed
          Alfredo Vasquez-Hernandez, 59, was sentenced to 22 years in 
        prison for his role in a $1-billion trafficking conspiracy.
          Vasquez-Hernandez was a high-ranking member of the Sinaloa 
        cartel and a close lieutenant of Joaquin ``El Chapo'' Guzman.
          Hernandez was the logistics man behind shipping tons of 
        drugs by train from Mexico to Chicago concealed amid furniture 
        cargo.

    Aguirre--12/03/21
    https://www.irs.gov/compliance/criminal-investigation/sinaloa-
cartel-leader-convicted
          Herman Aguirre, the leader of transnational drug conspiracy 
        tied to the El Chapo Mexican drug cartel, was convicted of 
        narcotics conspiracy, and operating a continuing criminal 
        enterprise and money laundering conspiracy. He was sentenced to 
        serve life in prison.
          Aguirre was the leader of a transnational drug trafficking 
        organization that utilized contacts and a source of supply 
        whose territory included Mexico, Arizona, California, and 
        elsewhere. The source of supply was the Sinaloa Cartel, led by 
        Joaquin ``El Chapo'' Guzman and Ismael ``El Mayo'' Zambada.
        
                              kleptocracy
                              
    Current investigations involving Russian oligarchs, corrupt 
politicians, and those who facilitate the illicit movement of money on 
behalf of sanctioned individuals or organizations are a priority for 
all law enforcement and CI is an active participant in the 
Kleptocapture Taskforce by DOJ and joined the task force at its 
inception. IRS-CI investigators are not only experts in tracing assets 
and understanding the complex global financial world, but they also 
work seamlessly with law enforcement partners across the globe to 
ensure the integrity of the U.S. financial system on behalf of U.S. 
taxpayers. Just last week, IRS-CI made news by training three Ukrainian 
law enforcement agencies with the help of private-sector partners in 
crypto and cyber tools. IRS-CI's asset seizure and forfeiture program 
utilizes seizure and forfeiture authority as an investigative tool to 
disrupt and dismantle criminal enterprises. The program seeks to 
deprive criminals of property used in or acquired through illegal 
activities.

    IRS-CI has active investigations involving Russian oligarchs, 
corrupt politicians, and those who facilitate the illicit movement of 
money on behalf of sanctioned individuals or organizations. When a 
foreign corrupt government official receives bribes, they will many 
times use a third party to move, or launder, those illegal proceeds to 
buy properties, cryptocurrencies, and many other assets. If any of 
those move into or through the United States financial systems, IRS-CI 
investigators can trace the money trail. IRS-CI targets the third-party 
money launderers because it allows investigators to identify a stream 
of illegal funds from multiple corrupt officials. Once assets are 
identified, IRS-CI will move to seize and forfeit the assets. IRS-CI's 
role in protecting the integrity of sanctions issued by the US 
Government is a critical component to the overall U.S. response to the 
Russian invasion of Ukraine and other global conflicts.

    Case examples include:

    Zong Money Laundering/IEEPA Case--12/7/2018
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-ak/pr/former-anchorage-resident-
sentenced-federal-prison-international-money-laundering
          In December 2018, in Anchorage, AK, Mitchell Zong was 
        sentenced to 30 months in prison for conspiracy to commit money 
        laundering with his father, Kenneth Zong. Mitchell Zong 
        laundered approximately $980,000 of Iranian derived funds 
        knowing the funds came from his father's illegal transactions 
        with Iranian nationals.
          Kenneth Zong had been under indictment in the District of 
        Alaska for 47 violations of International Emergency Economic 
        Powers Act (IEEPA), Providing Unlawful Services to the 
        Government of Iran, Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering, and 
        Money Laundering.

    UniCredit Bank IEEPA Case--4/15/2019
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/unicredit-bank-ag-agrees-plead-
guilty-illegally-processing-transactions-violation-iranian
          In 2019, UniCredit Bank AG (UCB AG), a financial institution 
        headquartered in Munich, operating under the name 
        HypoVereinsbank and part of the UniCredit Group agreed to plead 
        guilty to conspiring to violate IEEPA and to defraud the United 
        States by processing hundreds of millions of dollars of 
        transactions through the U.S. financial system on behalf of an 
        entity designated as a weapons of mass destruction proliferator 
        and other Iranian entities subject to U.S. economic sanctions.
          UniCredit Bank Austria (BA), another financial institution 
        in the UniCredit Group, headquartered in Vienna, Austria, 
        agreed to forfeit $20 million and entered into a non-
        prosecution agreement to resolve an investigation into its 
        violations of IEEPA. UniCredit SpA, the parent of both UCB AG 
        and BA, agreed to ensure that UCB AG and BA's obligations are 
        fulfilled.

Cyber/Cryptocurrency Investigations

    Since 2014, IRS-CI's Cyber Crimes has proportionately grown in both 
resources and results. Beginning with one Cyber Crimes Unit in the 
Washington, DC area consisting of eight agents and a few contractors, 
CI was able to successfully prosecute some of the first known criminal 
actors in this space (e.g., Liberty Reserve, Silk Road, and BTC-e). 
IRS-CI has led the charge in dismantling these dangerous financial 
criminal organizations. These investigations set the foundation and 
framework for future efforts. Soon after, CI established a second Cyber 
Crimes Unit in the Los Angeles Field Office followed by cyber 
coordinators across the Nation and additional support personnel to 
provide investigative research and analysis. As staffing increased and 
capabilities expanded, CI saw an exponential growth in the results 
garnered. Steady and consistent funding will ensure that IRS-CI 
maintains their role as the leader in cryptocurrency financial 
investigations. The rampant growth of these financial crimes in the 
cryptocurrency area (Ponzi schemes, rug pulls, romance scams, etc.) 
demand the full attention of the Federal law enforcement community to 
root out fraud and ensure the integrity of the U.S. financial system.

    From FY 2014-FY 2015 when CI was first developing investigative 
efforts around this area, CI went from a handful of cases to 
approximately 150 in current inventory. Seizures associated with this 
program area have increased dramatically from approximately $700,000 in 
FY 2019 to current year values exceeding billions. CI Cyber Crimes 
Investigative Time has remained constant at approximately 6 percent 
based on the dedicated resources able to address this area of fraud. 
With additional resources and staffing to this program area, CI would 
expect to see similar and proportionate rates of growth in many of 
these statistical areas. The number of victims of cryptocurrency frauds 
continues to rise in the U.S. The funding associated with the Cyber 
Crimes initiative significantly enhances CI's ability to access, 
investigate and analyze information/evidence in an online environment. 
Investigative tools focused on cryptocurrency tracing, cryptocurrency 
tax basis calculations, dark web research, open-source intelligence and 
social media information are continuously assessed to increase the 
capabilities of CI personnel worldwide. These tools and resources will 
work in conjunction with the Advanced Collaboration and Data Center 
(ACDC) to provide a holistic framework for investigative action. ACDC 
is a Cyber-led, technology-focused resource that enables investigations 
through data, tools, and expertise. Its mission is to facilitate 
collaboration internally and externally, as well as equip all field, 
support, and cyber personnel with the tools and skills to drive the 
IRS-CI Mission.

    Case examples include:

    Welcome to Video--10/16/19
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/south-korean-national-and-hundreds-
others-charged-worldwide-takedown-largest-darknet-child
          Largest darknet marketplace for child exploitation.
          Resulted in over 330 arrests and 23 kids saved who were 
        being actively abused.

    Bitcoin Hamas--8/13/2020
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/global-disruption-three-terror-
finance-cyber-enabled-campaigns
          Investigation revolved around cryptocurrency fundraising for 
        several terrorist organizations.
          Hammas/Al Qaeda/ISIS used cryptocurrency fundraising 
        intended to carry out criminal acts.
          IRS CI shut this down--largest crypto seizure tied to 
        terrorism to date.

    Silk Road $1-billion Seizure--11/5/2020
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/united-states-files-civil-
action-forfeit-cryptocurrency-valued-over-one-billion-us
          This case involved cryptocurrency CI traced which was stolen 
        from the administrator of Silk Road that we indicted several 
        years ago.

    BITFINEX--2/8/2022
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-arrested-alleged-conspiracy-
launder-45-billion-stolen-cryptocurrency
          Two individuals were arrested in Manhattan for an alleged 
        conspiracy to launder stolen cryptocurrency from a virtual 
        currency exchange, presently valued at approximately $4.5 
        billion. Thus far, law enforcement has seized cryptocurrency 
        valued over $3.6 billion linked to that hack.

    BITCONNECT--2/25/2022
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/founder-fraudulent-
cryptocurrency-charged-2-billion-bitconnect-ponzi-scheme
          Satishkumar Kurjibhai Kumbhani, a citizen and resident of 
        India, was indicted for his role in a massive criminal 
        conspiracy involving the cryptocurrency company he founded, 
        BitConnect.
          Kumbhani and his co-conspirators defrauded global investors 
        of over $2 billion--believed to be the largest cryptocurrency 
        fraud ever charged.
        
                               conclusion
                               
    Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Crapo, and members of the committee, 
thank you again for the opportunity to provide my perspective on this 
critically important issue. I believe the additional funding provided 
for the IRS in the IRA is a long-overdue game-changer for the agency, 
but if it is just a temporary infusion of cash and not a multiyear 
commitment, the service is likely to fail in its goals. As the adage 
goes, ``You get what you pay for.'' The need to balance enforcement 
with service is the magic mix that will be the difference between the 
agency being seen as an elite, highly sophisticated agency that helps 
taxpayers meet their obligations, or an agency that is heavy handed and 
focuses too much on enforcing laws and not enough time on helping 
others. For too long, the American public has picked up the tab for 
underfunding IRS enforcement. By investing in the IRS, we are investing 
in a set of institutions and infrastructure that are essential to the 
success and prosperity of our Nation. I urge you to recognize the 
critical importance of consistent funding for the IRS, and to take 
action to ensure that the agency has the resources it needs to perform 
its vital functions.

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           Question Submitted for the Record to John D. Fort
           
           Question Submitted by Hon. Catherine Cortez Masto
           
    Question. You note that only 6 percent of Criminal Investigation 
reports come from civil referrals. This is a missed opportunity and the 
result of a lack of investment in all areas of enforcement for many 
years.

    The IRS budget has declined by 20 percent in real dollars from 2010 
to 2018 and saw 30 percent of its enforcement workers cut. In your 
testimony, you noted that the voluntary compliance rate is estimated to 
be roughly 84 percent, and every 1 percentage point in this level of 
compliance costs the U.S. approximately $40 billion.

    We know all too well on this committee that IRS does not have the 
capacity to take calls from organizations to provide clarity nor enough 
qualified staff to enforce the laws and rules that exist. This is why 
every year we continue to discuss the dire need for additional 
dedicated funding for the IRS to do its job.

    How could additional dollars help increase enforcement and 
compliance?

    Answer. Ensuring effective tax enforcement and compliance is 
crucial for maintaining a fair and functioning tax system. As I 
testified, by increasing funding for the IRS, the government can 
strengthen its capacity to detect non-compliance, deter tax evasion, 
and promote voluntary compliance among taxpayers--these are priorities 
everyone should support. As you note, one of the ways to increase 
enforcement and compliance is to increase the number of civil audits 
conducted on high-income individuals. Tax administration only works 
when everyone is treated the same. Civil audits play a significant role 
in identifying errors and discrepancies in tax returns, leading to 
increased compliance among taxpayers. By allocating more resources to 
the IRS in target areas, more audits can be conducted in a timely 
manner. This is an important step and directly addresses one of the 
inputs to the tax gap.

    As you touched on in your question, another way to increase 
enforcement and compliance is to increase the collaboration between the 
civil and criminal functions of the IRS. While it is true that the 
number of cases that IRS Criminal Investigation receives from civil 
fraud referrals are lower than they should be, that number does seem to 
be trending in the right direction with recent hiring in civil 
divisions responsible for such referrals. It stands to reason those 
further increases in these divisions--or the protection of future 
funding for these divisions--would have a continued increase in 
collaboration and fraud referral acceptance rates. Increased funding 
can also support training programs and initiatives that promote 
information sharing and coordination between these business operating 
divisions.

    Next, an increase in the size of IRS Criminal Investigation (CI) 
would clearly have a positive impact on enforcement and compliance. 
Both special agents and professional staff play a key role in bringing 
the most impactful cases to the Justice Department for potential 
prosecution. And with CI being the only Government organization that 
can recommend Federal tax charges, it makes an increase in CI's 
personnel a necessary recommendation. While CI will never arrest their 
way out of tax crimes, impactful cases produce results and deterrence--
the combination of which increases compliance and enforcement.

    Finally, to increase compliance and enforcement, funding should be 
invested in data analytics and public-private partnerships. Advanced 
data analytics can help identify patterns of non-compliance, detect tax 
fraud schemes, and target high-risk taxpayers more effectively. 
Moreover, collaborating with external partners, such as financial 
institutions and technology companies, can enhance information sharing 
and intelligence gathering, leading to improved enforcement outcomes. 
Funding increases in personnel without investment in these two critical 
areas is an investment that will not result in the greatest impact to 
CI and the American taxpayers.

    Based on my written and oral testimony, I believe it is clear I 
believe increased funding is not only good for the IRS, but it is good 
business policy for the United States. By increasing civil audits, 
funding further collaboration between civil and criminal functions, 
expanding the size the criminal division, and investing in data 
analytics and public-private partnerships, you will increase the IRS's 
capacity to combat tax evasion and promote voluntary compliance. Thank 
you for the opportunity to answer your questions and speak about this 
topic.

                                 ______
                                 
      Submitted by Hon. Ron Johnson, a U.S. Senator From Wisconsin

                Empower Oversight and Nixon Peabody LLP

                              May 15, 2023

The Honorable Ron Wyden             The Honorable Jason Smith
Chairman                            Chairman
U.S. Senate                         U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Finance                Committee on Ways and Means
Co-Chair
Whistleblower Protection Caucus

The Honorable Mike Crapo            The Honorable Richard Neal
Ranking Member                      Ranking Member
U.S. Senate                         U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Finance                Committee on Ways and Means

The Honorable Richard Durbin        The Honorable Jim Jordan
Chairman                            Chairman
U.S. Senate                         U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on the Judiciary          Committee on the Judiciary

The Honorable Lindsey Graham        The Honorable Jerrold Nadler
Ranking Member                      Ranking Member
U.S. Senate                         U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on the Judiciary          Committee on the Judiciary

The Honorable Charles Grassley
Member
U.S. Senate
Committee on Finance
Co-Chair
Whistleblower Protection Caucus

Dear Chairs and Ranking Members:

Today the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Criminal Supervisory Special 
Agent we represent was informed that he and his entire investigative 
team are being removed from the ongoing and sensitive investigation of 
the high-profile, controversial subject about which our client sought 
to make whistleblower disclosures to Congress. He was informed the 
change was at the request of the Department of Justice.

On April 27, 2023, IRS Commissioner Daniel Werfel appeared before the 
House Committee on Ways and Means. He testified: ``I can say without 
any hesitation there will be no retaliation for anyone making an 
allegation or a call to a whistleblower hotline.'' However, this move 
is clearly retaliatory and may also constitute obstruction of a 
congressional inquiry.

Our client has a right to make disclosures to Congress pursuant to 26 
U.S.C. Sec. 6103(f)(5) and 5 U.S.C. Sec. 7211. He is protected by 5 
U.S.C. Sec. 2302 from retaliatory personnel actions--including 
receiving a ``significant change in duties, responsibilities, or 
working conditions''\1\ (which this clearly is) because of his 
disclosures to Congress.\2\ Any attempt by any government official to 
prevent a federal employee from furnishing information to Congress is 
also a direct violation of longstanding appropriations restriction.\3\ 
Furthermore, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1505 makes it a crime to obstruct an 
investigation of Congress.
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    \1\ 5 U.S.C. Sec. 2302(a)(2)(A)(xii).
    \2\ 5 U.S.C. Sec. 2302(b)(8)(C).
    \3\ The Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023, Pub. L. 117-328, 
Div. E, Sec. 713 states:
           No part of any appropriation contained in this or any other 
Act shall be available for the payment of the salary of any officer or 
employee of the Federal Government, who--
              (1)  prohibits or prevents, or attempts or threatens to 
prohibit or prevent, any other officer or employee of the Federal 
Government from having any direct oral or written communication or 
contact with any Member, committee, or subcommittee of the Congress in 
connection with any matter pertaining to the employment of such other 
officer or employee or pertaining to the department or agency of such 
other officer or employee in any way, irrespective of whether such 
communication or contact is at the initiative of such other officer or 
employee or in response to the request or inquiry of such Member, 
committee, or subcommittee[.]

We respectfully request that you give this matter your prompt 
attention. Removing the experienced investigators who have worked this 
case for years and are now the subject-matter experts is exactly the 
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sort of issue our client intended to blow the whistle on to begin with.

            Cordially,

Tristan Leavitt                     Mark D. Lytle
President                           Partner
Empower Oversight                   Nixon Peabody LLP

cc: The Honorable Michael Horowitz
   Inspector General, U.S. Department of Justice

   The Honorable Merrick Garland
   Attorney General, U.S. Department of Justice

   The Honorable Russell George
   Inspector General for Tax Administration, U.S. Department of the 
Treasury

   The Honorable Daniel Werfel
   Commissioner, Internal Revenue Service

   The Honorable Henry Kerner
   Special Counsel, Office of Special Counsel
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Prepared Statement of Natasha Sarin, Ph.D., Associate Professor, Yale 
 Law School, Yale School of Management; and Former Treasury Counselor 
 for Tax Policy and Implementation
 
    Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Crapo, members of the committee, 
thank you for inviting me to share my views on the importance of 
adequately funding the Internal Revenue Service--and the generational 
opportunity to improve our tax system presented by the Inflation 
Reduction Act's $80-billion multiyear investment in the agency.

    The IRS is critical to the functioning of our society. It collects 
96 percent of the revenue that funds the Federal Government.\1\ It 
touches just about every American household and business each year. It 
is the largest administrator of Federal benefits in our government, and 
it was responsible for disbursing critical support to millions of 
families during the pandemic--for example, through three rounds of 
Economic Impact Payments and advancing the Child Tax Credit.\2\
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    \1\ Internal Revenue Service. 2023. ``IRS Releases Fiscal Year 2022 
Data Book Describing Agency's Activities, Internal Revenue Service.'' 
April 14, 2023.
    \2\ Internal Revenue Service. 2022. ``IRS Releases Its 2021 
Progress Update Detailing Challenging Year, Internal Revenue Service.'' 
January 7, 2022.

    It has done all of this, for far too long, without the resources in 
place to serve taxpayers or administer the tax laws in the way the 
American people deserve. Prior to the Inflation Reduction Act's (IRA's) 
passage, the agency could not invest in hiring customer service 
representatives to answer the phones, or experts in partnership law to 
unpack passthrough returns, or computer scientists to overhaul the 
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oldest IT system in the Federal Government.

    It is no surprise then, that, in the year before the IRA was 
passed, the agency's level of service (fraction of telephone calls 
answered) hovered around 15 percent,\3\ or that it opened examinations 
of just 7,500 partnership returns of the more than 4 million it 
receives each year (an audit rate of approximately zero),\4\ or that 
millionaire audits dropped off by more than 80 percent in the last 
decade,\5\ or that the functionality of the taxpayer online account was 
decades behind what you see in the private sector.
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    \3\ National Taxpayer Advocate. 2023. ``National Taxpayer Advocate 
Delivers 2022 Annual Report to Congress; Focuses on Taxpayer Impact of 
Processing and Refund Delays, Internal Revenue Service.'' Internal 
Revenue Service. January 11, 2023.
    \4\ Yellen, Janet, and U.S. Department of the Treasury. 2022. 
``Secretary of the Treasury Janet L. Yellen Sends Letter to IRS 
Commissioner in Support of Funding for IRS to Improve Taxpayer Service 
and Combat Evasion by High Income Earners and Corporations.'' U.S. 
Department of the Treasury. August 10, 2022.
    \5\ See Table 2, below.

    The IRA makes a much-needed, once-in-a-generation investment in the 
IRS to modernize America's system of tax administration and, by doing 
so, meaningfully increase compliance with the Nation's tax laws. This 
is a substantial opportunity for the agency and for the Nation's fiscal 
situation, and this investment is already starting to reap dividends. 
Thanks to the IRA, the IRS achieved an 87-percent level of service this 
year--up about 315 percent in just 12 months. Among other 
accomplishments, the agency answered 2 million more calls this year, 
cut average phone wait times from 27 minutes to 4 minutes, served 
100,000 more taxpayers in person, digitized 80 times more returns by 
adopting scanning technology, cleared filing backlogs, and more quickly 
processed tax returns and taxpayer refunds.\6\
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    \6\ U.S. Department of the Treasury. 2023. ``Filing Season 2023 
Report Card: IRS Delivered Significantly Improved Customer Service.'' 
U.S. Department of the Treasury. April 17, 2023.

    In addition to these meaningful service improvements, over the 
course of the last several months the IRS has also begun to overhaul 
its tax compliance efforts. This is an area where the agency's nascent 
efforts have been subject to substantial confusion and 
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misinterpretation.

    So, in my testimony today, I would like to make four points about 
noncompliance in our tax system and the importance of the IRA's 
investment. First, the tax gap, which is the difference between owed 
and collected taxes, is large--more than 2 percent of GDP on an 
annualized basis. This means that even marginal improvement with 
respect to compliance will have a meaningful impact on our Nation's 
fiscal position and help address large and growing deficits. Second, 
the tax gap is concentrated at the top of the income distribution, and 
it is here that the agency has struggled most in recent years, due to 
resource constraints. Thus, addressing tax evasion by sophisticated, 
high-income taxpayers, large corporations, and partnerships is 
appropriately where the IRS is focused on expending its new resources. 
Third, investments to address noncompliance are likely to raise much 
more than official government estimates suggest: My recent work with 
former Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy Mark Mazur suggests they 
could reap around $560 billion in additional tax collection ($480 
billion net of IRA's investment) over the next decade.\7\ And fourth, 
the benefits of investing in the IRS go beyond revenue collection, as 
new resources will address longstanding inequities in our tax system 
and decrease taxpayer burden.
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    \7\ Sarin, Natasha, and Mark Mazur. 2023. ``The Inflation Reduction 
Act's Impact on Tax Compliance--and Fiscal Sustainability.''
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    1. the tax gap is large--greater than 2 percent of gdp annually
    
    The IRS regularly releases estimates of the Federal tax gap. The 
most recent estimates cover tax years 2014-2016, where the agency 
reported a gross tax gap (the difference between taxes legally owed and 
those voluntarily paid) of around $500 billion annually, which grew to 
$540 billion in 2019, adjusted for growth and inflation. Enforcement 
efforts help the agency chip away at this total, but it remains 
substantial--of 2019 taxes owed, the IRS failed to collect $470 billion 
even after accounting for its audit and collection efforts.\8\
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    \8\ Internal Revenue Service. 2022. ``Federal Tax Compliance 
Research: Tax Gap Estimates for Tax Years 2014-2016''; Internal Revenue 
Service. 2022. ``IRS Updates Tax Gap Estimates; New Data Points the Way 
toward Enhancing Taxpayer Service, Compliance Efforts, Internal Revenue 
Service.''

    To put that number into context, it represents 2.2 percent of total 
GDP in 2019.\9\ It was a whopping 47 percent of the total budget 
deficit in that year.\10\ So, if the United States was able to collect 
the taxes that were already on the books, deficits would shrink by 
nearly half. That's without any tax increases or cuts to vital programs 
like food stamps, veterans' benefits, and Medicaid.
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    \9\ Bureau of Economic Analysis. 2023. ``Gross Domestic Product, 
U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA).''
    \10\ U.S. Department of the Treasury. 2023. ``Fiscal Data Explains 
the National Deficit.'' 2023.

    And the IRS's tax gap estimate is likely an understatement of true 
evasion in the economy. To estimate compliance with the individual 
income tax, the IRS uses a random sample of a few thousand individual 
income tax returns each year that are representative of the income tax 
returns filed for that year. But for other components of the tax gap 
(e.g., corporate income tax, employment taxes, noncompliance by pass-
through entities), the IRS does not conduct similar studies, so it 
relies on data sources that are less robust. The IRS is explicit that 
its ability to measure noncompliance in these areas is limited: it 
cannot ``fully represent noncompliance in some components of the tax 
system, particularly as they relate to corporate income tax, income 
from flow-through entities, foreign or illegal activities, and digital 
assets.''\11\
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    \11\ Internal Revenue Service. 2022. ``Federal Tax Compliance 
Research: Tax Gap Estimates for Tax Years 2014-2016.''

    The problem of mismeasurement exists even for the individual income 
tax gap, where for taxpayers at the top of the income distribution, it 
is possible to shield income, even from audit.\12\ So, the net tax gap 
as measured--which, if left unaddressed, will grow to $7.7 trillion 
over the course of the next decade--is a lower bound on the true scale 
of noncompliance today.
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    \12\ Recent academic work suggests that evasion by sophisticated 
taxpayers is underestimated in official IRS estimates because it fails 
to account for these effects. Guyton, John, Patrick Langetieg, Daniel 
Reck, Max Risch, and Gabriel Zucman. 2021. ``Tax Evasion at the Top of 
the Income Distribution: Theory and Evidence.''

    To be sure, eliminating the tax gap entirely is an impossible 
objective. No matter how many resources the IRS marshals, some tax 
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evasion will persist.

    But the fact that such a significant source of revenue exists that 
is legally owed, but uncollected, means that investments in addressing 
the tax gap, like the IRA's investment in the IRS, are a vital tool in 
addressing our Nation's fiscal imbalances. Conversely, the failure to 
invest sufficiently in the IRS--or, defunding the IRS, as some critics 
have called for--will meaningfully add to our deficits and threaten our 
long-term fiscal sustainability.

                     2. the tax gap is concentrated
                     
    While at the Treasury Department, I estimated the distribution of 
the tax gap, concluding that the top 1 percent of the income 
distribution is responsible for nearly 30 percent of unpaid taxes, or 
about $2 trillion over the next decade.\13\
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    \13\ Sarin, Natasha. 2021. ``The Case for a Robust Attack on the 
Tax Gap.'' U.S. Department of the Treasury.

    The actual number is likely higher for the reasons of 
mismeasurement discussed above. Because the IRS struggles to estimate 
the noncompliance of high-income individuals engaging in tax evasion 
and the corporations and pass-through entities they own, current 
measures of the distribution of the tax gap overstate the share of tax 
evasion that is attributable to the bottom and the middle of the income 
distribution. Getting a clearer picture of the size of the tax gap and 
its distribution is critical to the IRS's compliance efforts going 
forward to help the agency set an appropriate baseline and delineate 
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progress as it invests in its ability to police high-end evasion.

    It is worth noting briefly that a challenge with respect to 
distributional analysis is how best to classify individuals across the 
income distribution. Official scorekeepers do not impute unreported 
income in the individual tax model, so current analyses do not provide 
an overall distribution of unreported income. In the context of recent 
legislative debates, the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) provided an 
assessment of unreported Schedule C income earned by proprietors, 
concluding that over half accrues to those making less than $50,000 
annually. But these estimates are based on classifying taxpayers by 
reported income, rather than true income. And of course, taxpayers who 
choose to evade their tax liabilities most often do so by 
underreporting their true level of income. A distribution of Schedule C 
income based on post-audit income paints a very different picture, as 
the table below makes clear.


     Table 1: Proprietorship, Partnership, and S-Corporation Income
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                  Proprietorship Income    Partnership and S-Corporation
                      (Schedule C)              Income (Schedule E)
Filer Category ---------------------------------------------------------
                  Reported     Adjusted      Reported        Adjusted
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Less than $0             5%           0%              6%              0%
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$0 to $50,000           52%          13%             34%              3%
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$50,000 to              21%          20%             25%             14%
 $100,000
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$100,000 to             12%          26%             13%             27%
 $200,000
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$200,000 to              6%          17%             14%             22%
 $500,000
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\14\Id.;
 Barthold,
 Thomas. 2021.
 ``Distributio
 nal
 Information.'
 ' Official
 memorandum.
 Washington,
 DC: Congress
 of the United
 States, Joint
 Committee on
 Taxation.
$500,000 and             4%          24%              9%             35%
 over
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Source: IRS National Research Program and Congress of the United States,
  Joint Committee on Taxation.\14\


    Why does this sort of distributional analysis matter? As the 
administration made the case for the importance of investing in the IRS 
in the lead-up to the IRA's passage, it focused on addressing high-end 
evasion by sophisticated taxpayers. It is here that the IRS has lost 
the most capacity: audit coverage fell across the board but decreased 
most at the very top of the income distribution. And coverage has been 
essentially nonexistent (an audit rate of less than 0.05 percent in 
2019, declining from just 0.4 percent in 2010) for complex tax 
structures like partnerships, which have grown to represent more than 
35 percent of total business income.\15\
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    \15\ Internal Revenue Service. 2023. ``Internal Revenue Service 
Strategic Plan''; U.S. Department of the Treasury. 2021. ``The American 
Families Plan Tax Compliance Agenda.''


         Table 2: Decline in Audit Rates Across Filer Categories
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                                     Percent Audited
         Filer Category          ----------------------  Percent Decline
                                     2010       2019       (2010-2019)
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All filers                             0.9%       0.4%            -58.1%
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Individuals                            1.1%       0.4%            -63.9%
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    EITC recipients                    2.4%       1.1%            -53.1%
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    $1 million-$5 million              6.7%       1.0%            -84.7%
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    $5 million-$10 million            11.6%       1.4%            -87.9%
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    $10 million +                     18.4%       3.9%            -78.8%
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Corporations                           1.4%       0.7%            -49.6%
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    with assets over $20 billion      97.9%      49.9%            -49.1%
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Employment                             0.2%       0.1%            -52.4%
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Estates                               10.1%       6.9%            -31.9%
\16\ Internal Revenue Service.
 2010. ``IRS Data Book.'';
 Internal Revenue Service. 2019.
 ``IRS Data Book.''; U.S.
 Government Accountability
 Office. 2022. ``Tax Compliance:
 Trends of IRS Audit Rates and
 Results for Individual
 Taxpayers by Income.'' Note
 that the 2019 Data Book
 provides a crosswalk of the
 tables, and the IRS did not
 publish the number of audits
 collected on individual filers
 with incomes of $1 million, $5
 million, or $10 million and
 above in that year. The figures
 for those numbers were obtained
 from the GAO, which used 2019
 IRS tax data to calculate the
 audit rate by filer income
 status.
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Source: The data in this table was collected from Tables 9a, 9b, and 17b
  in the IRS Data Books from 2010 and 2019. The IRS stopped releasing
  audit data for filers by different income brackets. Data for 2019 was
  supplemented with Table 3 audit rates data from the Government
  Accountability Office which was released in 2022.\16\


    Critics of the IRS have focused on inaccurate estimates of the 
distribution of noncompliance to argue that there is not enough evasion 
at the top of the distribution to merit these additional investments. 
An appropriate analysis of the distribution of noncompliance today 
reveals that this concern is misplaced.

    Both because their tax bills are so large, and because the IRS's 
capacity at the top of the distribution has declined so drastically 
over the course of the last decade, this is also where returns to 
additional enforcement activity are greatest. So it is here where, 
consistent with the Secretary of the Treasury's very clear directive, 
and the Commissioner of the IRS's commitment, new enforcement resources 
will appropriately be focused.

         3. investing in the irs could raise over $500 billion 
                     in new tax revenue this decade
                     
    When the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) assessed the revenue 
impact of new investments in the IRS, it concluded that they would 
raise nearly $200 billion in new tax collections (or around $115 
billion, net of the cost of new investments).\17\ Conversely, as CBO 
has weighed in on legislation that would rescind the majority of the 
new funds the agency has received, it has concluded that budget 
deficits would rise by a similar magnitude over the course of the next 
decade if these investments in the agency were rolled back.\18\
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    \17\ CBO has released multiple estimates of the additional tax 
revenue that can be collected by investing in the IRS. In 2021, CBO 
estimated the returns to a roughly $80 billion investment in the agency 
and concluded it would generate almost $200 billion in new tax revenue 
(for a net figure for revenue raised of about $115 billion). (Swagel, 
Phil, and Congressional Budget Office. 2021. ``The Effects of Increased 
Funding for the IRS.'')
    \18\ In 2022, after the Inflation Reduction Act's passage, CBO 
updated its estimate largely for changes in the legislative language, 
saying that the IRA's investment in the IRS would increase tax revenues 
by approximately $180 billion over the decade. (See Congressional 
Budget Office. 2022. ``Additional Information About Increased 
Enforcement by the Internal Revenue Service.'') Most recently, in 2023, 
in scoring a potential recission of the majority of these funds, CBO 
came to a slightly different revenue estimate of $186 billion, likely 
related to changes in the 10-year budget window. (Congressional Budget 
Office. 2023. ``Estimated Budgetary Effects of H.R. 23, the Family and 
Small Business Taxpayer Protection Act, Congressional Budget Office.'')

    While directionally correct, I believe this conclusion understates 
the likely return to the substantial long-term investments in the IRS 
made in the IRA. Mark Mazur and I estimate that the IRA could raise 
around $560 billion in new tax collection in this decade ($480 billion 
net of investment), or more than three times official scorekeepers' 
estimates. Depending on the extent of taxpayers' behavioral response, 
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the total could easily be closer to $1 trillion.

    The value of investing in the IRS grows over time, in part because 
investments in improving information technology and overhauling 
compliance efforts directed at high-income earners take years to pay 
off in full. By the second decade, our baseline estimate suggests that 
new IRA resources will lead to upwards of $1.5 trillion in total new 
tax collection, assuming the IRA investments in the IRS are extended.

    To be sure, this revenue estimate is large. But it is important to 
put this estimate in context given the scope of tax evasion in the 
United States today. Over the decade, our baseline estimate is that the 
IRS will capture just 7 percent of the tax gap which, left unaddressed, 
would otherwise total more than $7.7 trillion over this period. That is 
sizable progress that will reap benefits for the Nation's fiscal 
position--but it is modest given the size of the tax gap.


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    What drives the differences between our estimate and official 
government estimates? There are several aspects of IRS investments that 
are underestimated or even ignored by government estimators.

    First, official scorekeepers rely on the historical returns to 
enforcement activities to come to estimates of the gains from new 
investments, which have averaged around 4:1.\19\ But these historical 
ROI figures do not account for the fact that the IRS is starting from a 
nadir with respect to its enforcement efforts.
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    \19\ Internal Revenue Service. 2022. ``Congressional Budget 
Justification and Annual Performance Report and Plan.''

    Official models also do not capture the higher returns associated 
with pursuing high-end and complex noncompliance, and this is where the 
IRS is deploying new enforcement resources.\20\ Further, these 
estimates include a substantial downward adjustment for diminishing 
marginal returns, based on the view that the additional revenue 
potential of investments in the agency declines as more investments are 
made. While this is certainly true in theory, in practice an agency 
that has an audit rate of essentially zero in areas of high complexity 
where evasion is rampant has a ways to go before hitting diminishing 
returns to new dollars invested.
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    \20\ As one datapoint, as Treasury Inspector General for Tax 
Administration Russell George has pointed out in the past, an extra 
hour spent auditing a taxpayer who makes $5 million or more annually 
generates thousands of dollars (his 2021 estimate was over $4,500). See 
U.S. Congress, Senate, Committee on Finance, Closing the Tax Gap: Lost 
Revenue From Noncompliance and the Role of Offshore Tax Evasion, 
Hearing before the Subcommittee on Taxation and IRS Oversight. 117th 
Cong., 1st sess., May 11, 2021.

    Additionally, the way government models assess the revenue impact 
of IRS investments focuses only on the returns to new enforcement 
dollars, with the implicit assumption that the IRA's investment in 
taxpayer service and modernized information technology will have no 
impact on taxpayer compliance. It seems intuitive that, for example, 
because the IRS was able to answer 87 percent of the calls that it 
received this year, thanks to new IRA resources, it has been able to 
help more taxpayers than last year, when it answered just 13 percent of 
the phone inquiries it received. And yet the compliance benefits from 
such investments are counted as zero in official tallies.\21\
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    \21\ Prior academic work that taxpayers respond to agency-provided 
information services by increasing compliance, see e.g., McKee, 
Michael, Caleb A. Siladke, and Christian A. Vossler. 2018. ``Behavioral 
Dynamics of Tax Compliance When Taxpayer Assistance Services Are 
Available.'' International Tax and Public Finance which includes a 
summary of related literature. In a different setting, researchers 
found that IRS-provided information on penalties paid for lacking 
health insurance coverage increased insurance coverage and decreased 
mortality. Goldin, Jacob, Ithai Z Lurie, and Janet McCubbin. 2021. 
``Health Insurance and Mortality: Experimental Evidence from Taxpayer 
Outreach.'' The Quarterly Journal of Economics 136 (1): 1-49. This is 
an area where more research, especially following the IRA's investment, 
will be valuable.

    Further, improved technology will allow the IRS to make better use 
of information it receives and make more efficient choices when 
deploying new resources. For example, the IRS today is not making full 
use of the data it receives from the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act 
(FATCA) on offshore bank account holdings, because it does not have the 
IT capacity needed to absorb and deploy this data.\22\ This is why the 
agency's focus on ``maximizing data utility,'' detailed in the recently 
released IRS Strategic Operating Plan, is of such import.\23\
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    \22\ U.S. Government Accountability Office. 2019. ``Foreign Asset 
Reporting: Actions Needed to Enhance Compliance Efforts, Eliminate 
Overlapping Requirements, and Mitigate Burdens on U.S. Persons 
Abroad.''
    \23\ Internal Revenue Service. 2023. ``Internal Revenue Service 
Strategic Plan.''

    The largest driver of the difference between our and official 
scorekeepers' estimates has to do with our view of the importance of 
behavioral changes when taxpayers become aware that there are more tax 
police on the IRS beat. In the past, CBO has included only direct 
effects in its revenue estimates.\24\ It recently began thinking about 
the role of behavioral effects, but concluded these were small in 
magnitude.\25\ We believe, on the basis of past empirical work on this 
question, that the magnitude is significantly larger.\26\
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    \24\ Congressional Budget Office. 2020. ``Trends in the Internal 
Revenue Service's Funding and Enforcement.''
    \25\ Swagel, Phil, and Congressional Budget Office. 2021. ``The 
Effects of Increased Funding for the IRS.''
    \26\ See e.g., Boning, W.C., J. Guyton, R. Hodge, and J. Slemrod. 
2020. ``Heard it through the grapevine: The direct and network effects 
of a tax enforcement field experiment on firms.'' Journal of Public 
Economics 190(3-4): 104261

    Taxpayer behavior is impacted by IRS enforcement efforts in two 
ways. First, there is a self-deterrent effect: taxpayers who make 
errors that the IRS identifies are unlikely to repeat them in future 
years. Second, there is a community deterrent effect: taxpayers who 
observe a well-resourced IRS are more likely to follow the laws on the 
books. In the same way that a State trooper on the highway median 
encourages driving within the speed limit, improved IRS enforcement 
efforts encourage compliance with the tax laws. Treasury has previously 
stated that deterrent effects are likely three times the size of direct 
effects.\27\ Yet our estimates adopt a very conservative deterrence 
factor of just one, essentially equaling the size of the direct effects 
measured by increased revenue collection from enforcement actions such 
as audits.
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    \27\ Internal Revenue Service. 2019. ``Program Summary by Budget 
Activity.''

    So, our $480-billion estimate of the net gains from IRA enforcement 
activities strikes us as more likely to be an underestimate than an 
overestimate of how much the IRS investment will add to the fisc in the 
decade ahead. Treasury's 3-to-1 deterrence factor would raise the 
revenue collected over the course of the next decade to more like $1 
trillion, in line with prior academic estimates of the large returns to 
the IRS modernization efforts.\28\
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    \28\ See e.g., Sarin, Natasha, and Lawrence Summers. 2020. ``CBO 
Recognizes, but Understates, Potential of Tax Compliance Efforts.'' Tax 
Notes, July 20, 2020; Rossotti, Charles, and Fred Forman. 2020. 
``Recover $1.6 Trillion, Modernize Tax Compliance and Assistance,'' Tax 
Notes, March 2, 2020.

    The importance of this fiscal moment provides greater urgency to 
the IRA's historic investment in the IRS, and it also reflects the 
importance of accurately assessing the revenue potential of the long-
term investment that Congress has authorized. For example, in the 
context of debt ceiling negotiations, some have proposed rescinding the 
IRA's investment in the agency, citing the inaccurate view that 
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for ordinary taxpayers.

    I believe it is important to appreciate how much progress has been 
made by investing in the IRS--and also how much there is to lose from 
defunding the agency as some have recommended. The same will be true in 
the context of appropriations conversations in the years ahead: if this 
mandatory funding has to be deployed to plug shortfalls in ongoing 
year-to-year operations rather than on modernization efforts, this will 
bear meaningfully on the revenues that the IRS is ultimately able to 
collect.

    To be sure, the success of the IRS in collecting the revenue we 
estimate from a robust attack on the tax gap is not a given. The agency 
will have to deploy these resources and modernize in such a way that it 
is able to collect from sophisticated taxpayers who have at their 
disposal significant resources and the assistance of a bevy of tax 
advisors to continue to skirt the rules. It will need to recruit new 
types of talent--partnership law experts, data scientists, economists, 
technologists--to quickly ramp up complex enforcement efforts. In the 
years ahead, it will be imperative for Congress, in its oversight 
capacity, to continue to monitor the progress of the agency and help to 
course correct as modernization efforts get underway.

    But it is also important not to understate the historic investment 
that you have made in the IRS--an investment in the fiscal 
sustainability of our Nation's finances that it is imperative to 
preserve and supplement, rather than diminish, in the years ahead.

    4. investing in the irs will create a more equitable tax system
    
    Investing in a 21st-century tax administrator helps important tax 
policy goals beyond revenue. Perhaps even more important are efforts to 
address the deep inequities of a tax system that does not have 
resources in place to police evasion by a select few.

    Regular American taxpayers--the vast majority of your 
constituents--earn wages and find their taxes automatically withheld, 
so generally they pay their tax obligations on that income in full: 
Compliance rates are 99 percent on wages and salary income. And yet 
opaque sources of income have compliance rates of around 50 percent--
and these types of income are disproportionately earned by the most 
sophisticated and high-income taxpayers.\29\ This creates a two-tiered 
tax system where most Americans today pay all that they owe, but some 
do not.
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    \29\ Internal Revenue Service. 2022. ``Federal Tax Compliance 
Research: Tax Gap Estimates for Tax Years 2014-2016.''

    Most Americans feel that some corporations and wealthy people do 
not pay their fair share.\30\ They are right to feel that way: They do 
not. And they will not, until the IRS has the resources that it needs 
to pursue noncompliance so sophisticated taxpayers that choose to evade 
their liabilities bear costs that are sufficient to deter future 
malfeasance. Addressing evasion will alleviate a tax on compliant 
taxpayers that arises from the fact that future government funding 
needs that result in tax increases are borne only by the population 
that is law-abiding. It will also remove a competitive disadvantage 
from our Nation's economy, where those who are civically responsible 
and pay their taxes in full can be undercut by competitors who choose 
to evade and pocket tax savings.
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    \30\ Oliphant, J. Baxter. 2023. ``Top Tax Frustrations for 
Americans: The Feeling That Some Corporations, Wealthy People Don't Pay 
Fair Share.'' Pew Research Center. April 7, 2023.

    There is a related benefit to the IRS's enforcement efforts that is 
perhaps counterintuitive at first. For honest taxpayers, the impact of 
an IRS with more compliance resources will be a lower burden associated 
with enforcement activities--not a higher one. Historically, with 
outdated technology and blunt enforcement tools, the IRS has struggled 
to separate taxpayers who have complied with their tax obligations from 
those who have not. But with improved data, the agency will be able to 
gain a more fulsome picture of taxpayer behavior, and thus identify 
discrepancies, in a way that it simply cannot today. This means the 
likelihood of an audit for a compliant taxpayer will go down, not up, 
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in the years ahead.

    It will be on the IRS to show how taxpayer burden is decreased, but 
the likelihood of being wrapped up in a costly enforcement process 
should decline as the agency is better able to target scrutiny where it 
belongs--on high-income evaders, as opposed to those who are fully 
compliant with their tax obligations today.

    Given that the IRS touches nearly every household and business each 
year, I believe strongly that recent investments in the agency will 
meaningfully improve trust in the tax administrator in ways that are 
consequential for the IRS and the Federal Government writ large. A 
demonstrably more equitable system of tax administration has the virtue 
proving the value and importance of good government to the American 
populace.

                                 ______
                                 
  Prepared Statement of Pete Sepp, President, National Taxpayers Union
  
    Chairman Wyden, Senator Thune, and members of the committee, I am 
honored by your invitation to present the following comments concerning 
the issues of Internal Revenue Service (IRS) funding, particularly as 
it relates to enforcement of Federal tax laws and overall Federal 
finances.

                              introduction
                              
    My name is Pete Sepp, and I am President of National Taxpayers 
Union (NTU), a nonpartisan citizen group founded in 1969 to work for 
less burdensome taxes, more efficient, accountable government, and 
stronger rights for all taxpayers. More about our work as a non-profit 
grassroots organization is available at www.ntu.org.

    Although we advocate for many structural changes to the tax system, 
from the comprehensive to the incremental, one common aspect on which 
NTU often specifically focuses is the administrability of such 
proposals. As policymakers define the rates, bases, deductions, 
credits, and other features of a tax system, what will the practical 
impact be on taxpayers' lives and their rights? Unless this question is 
adequately addressed, the result will be a tax system that burdens all 
and serves none. Taxpayers will be more fearful or mistrustful of their 
government, revenue officials will encounter greater difficulty in 
performing their public service, tax practitioners will become 
increasingly frustrated with complex rules, and all sectors of the 
economy will pour too many productive resources into compliance tasks 
that only marginally affect actual compliance.

    For these reasons, throughout its history NTU has led efforts in 
support of congressional legislation to improve operations of the 
Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and provide greater balance in the tax 
law enforcement process. During the late 1970s and 1980s, NTU informed 
Congress of taxpayers who experienced IRS maladministration firsthand, 
as well as organized a large coalition of civil liberties organizations 
that successfully persuaded Congress to enact the first ``Taxpayers' 
Bill of Rights'' as part of the Technical and Miscellaneous Revenue Act 
of 1988.

    In 1996 and 1997, NTU's then-executive vice president David Keating 
was named to the National Commission on Restructuring the Internal 
Revenue Service (``Restructuring Commission''), a Federal panel whose 
recommendations later became the basis for the most extensive IRS 
overhaul in a generation.\1\
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    \1\ For background, see National Commission on Restructuring the 
IRS. ``A Vision for a New IRS.'' June 25, 1997. Available from: https:/
/cybercemetery.unt.edu/archive/natcommirs/20160104232208/http://
www.house.gov/natcommirs/object.htm.

    More recently we worked with the IRS National Taxpayer Advocate 
(NTA) and Congress in promulgating and finally codifying (in 2015) a 
set of 10 fundamental taxpayer rights. We also led a large coalition of 
organizations to formulate and pass through Congress the bipartisan 
Taxpayer First Act of 2019--and gratefully participated in the 
extensive stakeholder consultation process after enactment that led to 
the production of the comprehensive Taxpayer First Act Report of early 
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2021.

    Since that time, NTU has also urged a cautious, deliberative 
approach--but not wholesale opposition--to proposals for increased IRS 
funding. As I wrote in The New York Times in October 2021, supporting 
additional IRS funding:

        More resources for customer service, taxpayer rights 
        safeguards, a functioning Oversight Board, actionable and 
        regularly updated research on the tax gap and innovative 
        approaches such as the recently proposed enforcement fellowship 
        pilot program are all solutions that should unite 
        Washington.\2\
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    \2\ Sepp, Pete. ``I'm the President of the National Taxpayers 
Union. Be Careful with I.R.S. Reform.'' New York Times. October 18, 
2021. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/opinion/tax-irs-reform.html.

    Thus, we do not appear before the committee to advocate blocking 
all additional funding for the IRS, and would indeed argue that locking 
in certain multiyear appropriations for IRS investments (e.g., 
Information Technology) is sensible.\3\ In fact, it is this history of 
my organization that informs much of the remarks to follow about the 
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    \3\ In 2021, former IRS Commissioner John Koskinen observed the 
following about the $80 billion of additional IRS funding contained in 
the Biden administration's American Families Plan: ``I'm not sure you'd 
be able to efficiently use that much money.'' Rappeport, Alan, and 
Tankersley, Jim. ``Biden Seeks $80 Billion to Beef Up IRS Audits of 
High Earners.'' New York Times. April 27, 2021. https://
www.nytimes.com/2021/04/27/business/economy/biden-american-families-
plan.html.

    Here I wish to acknowledge the outstanding contributions to this 
testimony from several of my colleagues at National Taxpayers Union and 
National Taxpayers Union Foundation: Joe Bishop-Henchman, executive 
vice president of National Taxpayers Union Foundation; Demian Brady, 
vice president of research, National Taxpayers Union Foundation; Andrew 
Lautz, former director of Federal policy; and Andrew Wilford, director 
of the Interstate Commerce Initiative, National Taxpayers Union 
Foundation. Their research and writing has greatly informed and 
improved the document you are reading today.

        political realities: both parties must lead on sound tax 
       administration, and both have shown they can do it together
       
    Before turning to the details of the topic at hand, NTU urges all 
members of the committee to recognize several important, yet 
inescapable political realities confronting Washington today.

    First, the votes in the House of Representatives to claw back the 
IRS funding designated for ``enforcement'' in the Inflation Reduction 
Act (IRA) are as far in the legislative process as these proposals will 
go--it cannot be realistically argued that they could pass the Senate 
intact, much less survive a presidential veto. Nor, given the political 
state of Congress, will the appropriations or reconciliation processes 
permit the House Republican majority to make massive IRS budget 
reductions for the next 2 fiscal years. Even if that political state 
changes in 2025, as a practical matter no significant alterations to 
the current IRS funding amount would be likely until Fiscal Year 2026.

    Knowing this, opponents of the IRA must turn their immediate 
attention to how this amount should best be spent.

    Second, both the House and Senate Democratic caucuses have 
historically insisted upon strict congressional planning, guidance, and 
oversight of Federal law enforcement programs and the agencies carrying 
out those programs. For example, when several PATRIOT Act provisions 
regarding surveillance were up for renewal in 2011, Rep. John Conyers 
(D-MI) said:

        Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act allows a secret FISA court to 
        authorize our government to collect business records or 
        anything else, requiring that a person or business produce 
        virtually any type [of] record. We didn't think that that was 
        right then. We don't think it's right now. This provision is 
        contrary to traditional notions of search and seizure which 
        require the government to show reasonable suspicion or probable 
        cause before undertaking an investigation that infringes upon a 
        person's privacy.\4\
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    \4\ See, ontheissues.org. Debate over RESTORE Act. March 14, 2008. 
https://www.ontheissues.
org/MI/John_Dingell_Homeland_Security.htm.

    In 2016, after Congress learned of civil asset forfeiture laws 
being wielded unfairly against taxpayers, the late Rep. John Lewis (D-
GA) joined with then-Rep. Peter Roskam (R-IL) in support of taxpayer 
protections in the DUE PROCESS Act. Chairman Lewis said at the time, 
``I have never, ever seen in a very long time, this degree, this spirit 
of togetherness. On this issue, we are on one accord.''\5\ Chairman 
Lewis, who I had the honor to meet in 2017, inspired our organization 
when he said of the Taxpayers First Act, ``even in the most difficult 
times, we can come together as a Nation, as a people and as a Congress 
to accomplish important things for the American people.''\6\ Democrats 
should be proud of their tradition in supporting taxpayer rights, 
counting among other leaders on this issue David Pryor (D-AR), J.J. 
Pickle (D-TX), and Harry Reid (D-NV).
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    \5\ See, Sibilla, Nick. ``After Sending Armed Agents to Seize Bank 
Accounts, IRS Announces New Policy to Return Assets.'' Forbes. June 24, 
2016. https://www.forbes.com/sites/institutefor
justice/2016/06/24/irs-structuring-policy/?sh=393caba51a87.
    \6\ See, Sepp, Pete. ``An Appreciation: Congressman John Lewis, 
1940-2020.'' National Taxpayers Union. July 27, 2020. https://
www.ntu.org/publications/detail/an-appreciation-congressman-john-lewis-
1940-2020.

    With this history, supporters of the IRA must turn their immediate 
attention to applying the same general philosophy behind these examples 
from other parts of Federal law enforcement, to how the IRS should 
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operate when it acts in a law enforcement capacity.

    The third reality is more pleasant and hopeful. For decades, NTU 
has seen bipartisan collaboration and cooperation on a variety of tax 
administration initiatives to improve the way the IRS works while 
enhancing compliance with the law and protecting taxpayer rights. Our 
testimony will provide abundant opportunities for building upon this 
bipartisan comity in a later section.

         historical reality: irs transformation won't succeed 
               without congressional planning, oversight
               
    But why should bipartisan comity on tax administration matter at 
this particular point in time? The history of IRS funding provides an 
instructive, and urgent, reason why.

    Although much has been made of IRS budget reductions as if they 
followed a straight line according to which party was in power, on an 
inflation-adjusted basis, the history of IRS funding from 1992-2022 is 
best described as peaks and valleys. After hitting a low in 1997, IRS 
resources increased significantly through the year 1999, recovering 
after a dip to reach more than $14 billion (in 2022 dollars) in 2006. 
Then began an uneven path to a new height of nearly $15 billion in 
2011, and once more taking considerable declines until 2019. Today, 
after accounting for inflation, IRS funding is only moderately higher 
than it was 5 years ago.\7\
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    \7\ See Brady, Demian. ``What the IRS's New Enforcement Budget 
Means for Taxpayers.'' National Taxpayers Union Foundation. September 
21, 2022. Retrieved from: https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/what-
the-irss-new-enforcement-budget-means-for-taxpayers. Also, Bishop-
Henchman, Joseph. ``Transforming the Internal Revenue Service.'' Cato 
Institute Policy Analysis No. 942. April 11, 2023. https://
www.cato.org/policy-analysis/transforming-internal-revenue-service.

    It should be noted that two of the three major IRS funding ramp-ups 
occurred after enactment of key IRS reform laws (the IRS Restructuring 
and Reform Act, or RRA 98 and the Taxpayer First Act, or TFA 2019). 
Both bills passed with near-unanimous margins in Congress. The third 
was connected to several events, including implementation of the 
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 and the Affordable Care 
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Act of 2010.

    The point we wish to emphasize here is that major investments in 
the IRS's capacity have been preceded by extensive legislating from 
Congress, in close consultation with IRS leadership. RRA 98, for 
example, was fundamentally shaped by the 18-member National Commission 
on Restructuring the IRS, and appointed by Congress and the executive 
branch. According to its nearly 200-page report, over the course of a 
year of operation:

        The Commission received extensive input from American taxpayers 
        and experts in the IRS and tax system, holding 12 days of 
        public hearings and spending hundreds of hours in private 
        sessions with public and private sector experts, academics, and 
        citizen's groups to review IRS operations and services. In 
        addition to holding three field hearings . . . the Commission 
        met privately with over 500 individuals, including senior-level 
        and front-line IRS employees across the country. . . . The 
        Commission also received continuous input from stakeholder 
        groups and congressional representatives, and conducted 
        research and surveys to better understand IRS operations and 
        gauge the American public's view of the IRS. Finally, the 
        Commission reviewed thousands of reports and documents on IRS 
        operations, management, governance, and oversight.\8\
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    \8\ National Commission on Restructuring the IRS. ``A Vision for a 
New IRS.'' June 25, 1997. Available from: https://
cybercemetery.unt.edu/archive/natcommirs/20160104232208/http://
www.house.gov/natcommirs/object.htm.

    The resulting legislation based in part on this report also 
involved numerous hearings and markups by multiple Committees and 
Subcommittees, resulting in a 184-page final bill which, in turn, 
helped to guide innumerable revisions to strategic plans, Internal 
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Revenue Bulletins, and Internal Revenue Manual procedures.

    By contrast, title I, part 3 of the Inflation Reduction Act 
contained all of nine paragraphs outlining $79.6 billion in tax 
administration-related funding Just three of those nine paragraphs 
explain how $78.9 billion (99 percent) of the total should be spent.

    Some would argue that the IRS funding in the Inflation Reduction 
Act was never intended to be as transformational as RRA 98. Perhaps 
this was initially the case, given the brevity of instructions Congress 
provided about the resource infusion. As we note below, the IRA, 
utilizing the reconciliation process, seemed much more focused on 
``hitting a number'' to achieve a desirable 10-year budget score than 
transforming the IRS.

    Whatever the intentions during legislative negotiations, it is now 
abundantly clear that advocates of the IRA are describing the new money 
in sweeping terms. In transmitting the IRA Strategic Operating Plan to 
Secretary Yellen, Commissioner Werfel himself wrote that ``the contents 
of this plan provide a vision for the future of Federal tax 
administration.'' The Plan itself grandly notes that the IRA funding is 
``a historic opportunity to transform the administration of the tax 
system and the services provided to taxpayers.''

    Plenty of discussions continue to take place in the policy world 
over the proper level of IRS funding as well as the best mix between 
taxpayer service, compliance initiatives, business systems, and other 
items.

    Regardless of how those discussions land, NTU offers this reminder: 
never before has the IRS--or, to our recollection, any existing Federal 
agency--received such a large boost of funding in percentage terms with 
so little planning, safeguards, or prospects of outside managerial 
oversight. It is now well past time for every member of Congress to 
recognize this fact and act accordingly.

    managerial reality: compliance is the goal, not ``enforcement''
    
    The word ``enforcement'' has become a common yet unfortunate 
shorthand in Washington for the goal of obtaining better compliance 
with the tax laws. The choice of words matters, because it predefines 
the direction of a conversation that ought to pursue many paths to a 
desirable destination. ``Enforcement'' should never be an end in 
itself, or a performance metric to justify budgets. Otherwise, 
policymakers will simply focus on increasing audit rates, math error 
notices, criminal convictions, and other tactics without being held 
accountable for a measurement that is actually meaningful: compliance 
with tax laws that is less difficult, less expensive, and more 
sustainable than it is today.

    This definition should have currency even for those who believe 
that the ``investment'' of taxpayer dollars into ``enforcement'' was 
the primary reason for title I, part 3 of the IRA. The less money the 
IRS spends--and the more methods employed beyond traditional 
``enforcement''--to obtain compliance, the better the fiscal result 
will be.

    But the language of the IRA itself points to the problem of 
distinguishing ends and means elucidated above. Title I, part 3 is 
helpfully entitled, ``Funding the Internal Revenue Service and 
Improving Taxpayer Compliance.'' After that point, the minimal 
descriptions of where the funding shall be directed fail to capture how 
compliance is a multifaceted issue. For example, the relatively small 
amount for ``taxpayer services'' describes ``pre-filing assistance and 
education'' along with ``taxpayer advocacy services'' as allowable 
expenses under the section. The following section, with a very large 
amount for ``enforcement,'' describes ``activities . . . to determine 
and collect owed taxes'' as well as ``legal and litigation support.''

    This categorization fails to appreciate the interrelatedness of 
``taxpayer services'' and ``enforcement'' to compliance. From Earned 
Income Credit claimants all the way up to Form 1120 filers reporting 
Controlled Foreign Corporation activities, ``pre-
filing assistance and education'' can forestall numerous situations 
that could result in noncompliance. Both the ``legal and litigation 
support'' and ``activities to determine and collect owed taxes'' could 
easily lead taxpayers to lean more heavily on ``taxpayer advocacy 
services.'' In other words, improved taxpayer services can go a long 
way to improve compliance with our tax laws, yet certain enforcement 
activities can further increase demands for taxpayer services.

    National Taxpayer Advocate Erin Collins put it best when she 
observed:

        The most efficient way to improve compliance is by encouraging 
        and helping taxpayers to do the right thing on the front end. 
        That is much cheaper and more effective than trying to audit 
        our way out of the tax gap one taxpayer at a time on the back 
        end.\9\
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    \9\ Waggoner, Martha. ``Taxpayer services should get more of that 
$80 billion, advocate says.'' Journal of Accountancy. March 17, 2023. 
https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/news/2023/mar/taxpayer-services-
get-more-80-billion-advocate-says.html#::text=%22The%20most%20
efficient%20way%20to,time%20on%20the%20back%20end.%22.

    The division of funding also illustrates how the funding gap 
between ``taxpayer services'' ($3.18 billion) and ``enforcement'' 
($45.6 billion) is even worse than it appears. High-profile IRS actions 
since passage of IRA funding in the area of services have primarily 
focused on ``front-end'' matters such as hiring more telephone 
operators and addressing return processing backlogs. What will be left 
for pre-filing education and taxpayer advocacy services after these 
flashier improvements have been fully funded? As the next section 
explains, the financial reckoning is approaching quickly.

 fiscal reality: irs burn rates on customer service and modernization 
          should be concerning--especially for ``enforcement''
          
    While policymakers, reporters, and other stakeholders have devoted 
much attention to the supplemental IRS ``enforcement'' funding included 
in the IRA, NTU has also been closely tracking the agency's use of 
supplemental customer service and modernization funding. There is a 
bipartisan interest in ensuring that the IRS both improves the taxpayer 
experience and upgrades severely outdated information technology 
infrastructure.

    In its IRA Strategic Operating Plan released in April, the IRS 
estimated that it would obligate around $1.65 billion of its 
supplemental Taxpayer Services funding by September 30, 2024.\10\ This 
means that more than half (52 percent) of the agency's allocation for 
enhanced Taxpayer Services activities will have been obligated in the 
first 3 fiscal years of the 10-year allocation.\11\ Similarly, the IRS 
projects it will have obligated nearly 35 percent ($1.66 billion out of 
$4.75 billion) by September 30, 2024, just 3 years into the 10-year 
allocation.\12\
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    \10\ IRS. (April 2023). ``Internal Revenue Service Inflation 
Reduction Act Strategic Operating Plan: FY 2023-2031.'' Retrieved from: 
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p3744.pdf (accessed May 11, 2023).
    \11\ The first of 10 fiscal years, FY 2022, was also a noticeably 
short period for the IRS to obligate funding in the IRA. President 
Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act into law on August 16, 2022, 
and FY 2022 ended just 6 weeks later, on September 30, 2022.
    \12\ Internal Revenue Service, supra note 10.

    By comparison, the IRS will have only obligated 13.6 percent of its 
supplemental Operations Support funding ($3.46 billion out of $25.33 
billion) and 3.9 percent of its supplemental Enforcement funding ($1.78 
billion out of $45.64 billion) by the end of FY 2024.\13\
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    \13\ Ibid.

    The IRS has many ambitious goals and initiatives in its Strategic 
Operating Plan focused on customer service and modernization. Its very 
first objective is to ``[d]ramatically improve services to help 
taxpayers meet their obligations and receive the tax incentives for 
which they are eligible,'' and its second objective is to ``[q]uickly 
resolve taxpayer issues when they arise.''\14\
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    \14\ Ibid.

    The agency outlines 12 initiatives under its first objective, 
including such important efforts as ``be[ing] able to file all 
documents securely and exchange correspondence electronically'' and 
providing ``greater upfront clarity and certainty additional guidance 
on tax issues.''\15\ The IRS outlines seven initiatives under the 
second objective, including ``provid[ing] taxpayers with timely and 
tailored post-filing treatments to resolve issues and omissions on 
their tax returns'' and ``send[ing] taxpayers notices they can 
understand, delivered in ways they prefer, with clear explanations of 
issues and steps to resolution.''\16\
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    \15\ Ibid.
    \16\ Ibid.

    NTU agrees with many of these initiatives and would like to see the 
IRS succeed. Indeed, success could result in a vastly improved taxpayer 
experience with the IRS, the central goal of the bipartisan, recently 
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enacted Taxpayer First Act of 2019.

    But as explained in the previous section, even those who support an 
``enforcement''-heavy approach to IRS budgets should be concerned about 
the agency's projected burn rate for supplemental Customer Service and 
Modernization funding. After all, the Strategic Operating Plan for the 
IRS acknowledges that ``all our efforts as outlined in this plan--
including in the areas of customer service, issue resolution, and 
effective enforcement--will increase overall tax compliance.''\17\
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    \17\ Ibid., p. 8.

    The objectives and initiatives above are ambitious and 
transformational. Many of them are also expensive. NTU encourages the 
committee to engage with Commissioner Werfel and senior IRS officials 
to determine whether these initiatives will require Customer Service 
funding beyond levels provided by Congress, and how the IRS plans to 
square its forward-looking initiatives with the need to hire and retain 
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recent tax filing season less disruptive than COVID-era filing seasons.

    Now might be an opportune time for lawmakers to consider 
reallocating a portion of IRA funding away from the more flush 
Enforcement and Operations Support accounts and towards Customer 
Service and Business Systems Modernization. The National Taxpayer 
Advocate, Erin Collins, recently called for just that sort of 
reallocation in a March blog post on the Taxpayer Advocate Service's 
website:

        My office doesn't have the financial expertise to determine the 
        costs associated with each initiative. But at a high level, two 
        things are clear: (1) the IRS needs substantially more funding 
        than it was receiving in annual appropriations bills to better 
        serve U.S. taxpayers, and (2) the additional funding provided 
        by the IRA, while appreciated and welcomed, is 
        disproportionately allocated for enforcement activities and 
        should be reallocated to achieve a better balance with taxpayer 
        service needs and IT modernization. We need to put taxpayers 
        first.\18\
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    \18\ Collins, Erin. ``NTA Blog: National Taxpayer Advocate Urges 
Congress to Maintain IRS Appropriations but Re-Direct Some Funds Toward 
Taxpayer Service and Information Technology Modernization.'' March 16, 
2023. https://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/news/nta-blog-nta-urges-
congress-to-maintain-irs-appropriations-but-re-direct-some-funds-
toward-taxpayer-service-and-it-modernization/ (accessed May 11, 2023).

    Tax practitioners have offered a similar recommendation of late. 
The American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA) recently 
recommended that the Treasury Department and IRS address 
``imbalance[s]'' between the enforcement account and taxpayer services 
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account:

        . . . [G]iven the historic low levels of IRS taxpayer services, 
        we are concerned that there was an insufficient allocation of 
        funding in the IRA to improve taxpayer services to appropriate 
        levels. We are concerned that service challenges will persist 
        unless sufficient, targeted funding for technology 
        improvements, human talent and training, and taxpayer services 
        are appropriated.\19\
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    \19\ AICPA. (March 28, 2023). ``Re: IRS Operational Plan for 
Resources Included in the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022.'' https://
aboutblaw.com/7i7.

    These stakeholders are not partisan, and they are certainly not 
invested in seeing the IRS funding provided in the IRA fail. That 
should underscore for members of this committee that there is a 
compelling, non-ideological case to consider diverting a portion of IRA 
funds away from well-funded accounts and towards critical activities 
that would improve taxpayer services.

fiscal reality: pinpointing the impact of ira's ``enforcement'' funding,
   or changes to that funding, misses the point of irs transformation
                             
    Since the stated topic of this hearing is ``House Republican 
Supplemental IRS Funding Cuts: Analyzing the Impact on Federal Law 
Enforcement and the Federal Deficit,'' I will turn to the latter topic.

    As you know, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) 
estimated in August 2022 that the $80 billion in enhanced IRS resources 
included in the IRA would increase Federal revenues by $203.7 billion 
(on a non-scorable basis, due to CBO scoring conventions) from Fiscal 
Years 2022 through 2031.\20\ If one were to count those estimated 
revenues as contributing to deficit reduction, as many supporters of 
the IRA have, the net deficit reduction projected from the IRS 
provisions over the same 10-year period was $123.7 billion.
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    \20\ Congressional Budget Office (CBO). (August 5, 
2022).``Estimated Budgetary Effects of H.R. 5376, the Inflation 
Reduction Act of 2022.'' Retrieved from: https://www.cbo.gov/system/
files/2022-08/hr5376_IR_Act_8-3-22.pdf (accessed May 11, 2023).

    A month later, CBO revised down the non-scorable revenue increases 
from FYs 2022 through 2031, from $203.7 billion to $180.4 billion. 
Making the same assumptions as above, the net deficit reduction from 
IRS provisions was revised down to $100.4 billion over 10 years.\21\ 
Subsequent legislation from House Republicans to repeal significant 
portions of the IRA's IRS funding--including all supplemental amounts 
for enforcement and operations support--were scored as increasing 
deficits by $114.4 billion from FYs 2023 through 2032 \22\ and $119.7 
billion from FYs 2023 through 2033.\23\
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    \21\ CBO. (September 7, 2022). ``Estimated Budgetary Effects of 
Public Law 117-169.'' Retrieved from: https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/
2022-09/PL117-169_9-7-22.pdf (accessed May 11, 2023).
    \22\ CBO. (January 9, 2023).``Estimated Budgetary Effects of H.R. 
23, the Family and Small Business Taxpayer Protection Act, as Posted on 
the Website of the Clerk of the House of Representatives on January 9, 
2023, as an Item That May Be Considered Pursuant to a Rule.'' Retrieved 
from: https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2023-01/hr23_IRS.pdf (accessed 
May 11, 2023).
    \23\ CBO. (April 25, 2023). ``Re: CBO's Estimate of the Budgetary 
Effects of H.R. 2811, the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023.'' Retrieved 
from: https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2023-04/59102-Arrington-
Letter_LSG%20Act_4-25-2023.pdf (accessed May 11, 2023).

    NTU Foundation vice president of research Demian Brady previously 
reviewed the numerous reasons why increased revenue collections by the 
IRS under the IRA's supplemental funding may fall short of CBO's 
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expectations:

          ``. . . [T]he final version of the IRA dropped a provision 
        granting the IRS expedited hiring authority. In the absence of 
        that authority, it will take longer to onboard and train new 
        employees, reducing the level of expected collections.

          ``As inflation leads to higher cost-of-living adjustments 
        for Federal workforces, the IRS may not be able to hire as many 
        people with the funding provided (though the number of 
        additional FTEs would still be much larger than mainstream 
        media estimates). This would further undermine revenue 
        estimates.''

          ``Challenging the IRS can be costly and drag on for an 
        extended period of time, but the agency is by no means always 
        successful in securing judgments against those it accuses of 
        fraud. NTUF previously compiled a list of news articles where 
        the IRS had taken an overaggressive position against taxpayers 
        and ultimately lost in court.''\24\
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    \24\ Brady, Demian. ``What the IRS's New Enforcement Budget Means 
for Taxpayers.'' NTU Foundation, September 21, 2022. Retrieved from: 
https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/what-the-irss-new-enforcement-
budget-means-for-taxpayers (accessed May 11, 2023).

    Each of those concerns remain relevant to the agency and to CBO's 
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estimates today.

    NTU and NTU Foundation were even more skeptical of the revenue 
estimates offered by the Treasury Department in 2021, in the lead-up to 
consideration of the Build Back Better Act and the IRA. In September 
2021, then-Acting Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy Mark Mazur wrote 
that:

        Conservatively, about $400 billion of additional revenue can be 
        collected (incorporating both the direct and indirect effects 
        of enforcement investment) from the President's proposals, net 
        of the $80 billion investment.\25\

    \25\ Mazur, Mark J. ``The Revenue Impacts of Compliance 
Proposals.'' Department of the Treasury Office of Tax Policy. September 
14, 2021. Retrieved from: https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/
Yellen_Neal_Congressional_Budget.pdf (accessed May 11, 2023).

    The nonpartisan scorekeepers at CBO clearly disagreed with this 
assessment--and in fact ultimately estimated revenue effects about a 
fourth the size of the Treasury Department's 2021 estimates--but the 
IRS insisted as recently as April 2023, upon the publication of its 
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Strategic Operating Plan, that (emphasis ours):

        The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the additional 
        $80 billion provided to the IRS by the IRA will increase 
        Federal revenue by more than $180 billion in the decade ahead, 
        considering only direct enforcement revenue based on additional 
        staffing.\26\
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    \26\ IRS. (April 2023). ``Internal Revenue Service Inflation 
Reduction Act Strategic Operating Plan: FY 2023-2031.'' Retrieved from: 
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p3744.pdf (accessed May 11, 2023).

    We remain skeptical that the IRS will spend IRA resources in an 
efficient and effective enough manner to reach the revenue estimates 
established by CBO. In addition to the concerns outlined above, the IRS 
is already reporting to stakeholders that it is stretched thin on 
resources to implement the clean energy provisions included in the IRA. 
The Strategic Operating Plan suggests that some of the supplemental 
resources available to the IRS under the IRA will need to be diverted 
to implementation of IRA clean energy provisions.\27\ Might this cut 
into the additional revenues CBO previously projected the IRS could 
collect through increasing enforcement activities? Time will tell, but 
lawmakers should monitor IRS implementation of the funding closely to 
see if net deficit reduction is occurring at rates projected by CBO or 
the Treasury Department.
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    \27\ Ibid; see the table on page 129, which indicates the agency 
proposed to invest $3.9 billion on implementing ``Energy security'' 
provisions of the IRA rather than $0.5 billion Congress specifically 
earmarked for such provisions.

    None of these concerns should be taken to mean we doubt the premise 
that better tax compliance can enhance Federal revenue. Rather, NTU 
simply returns to our earlier, cautionary advice in this testimony that 
it is a mistake to engage in transformational compliance initiatives 
simply to reach a particular ``offset'' for government spending in one 
piece of legislation.\28\ The revenue collection number from IRA 
funding for compliance (or even the clumsy misnomer ``enforcement'') 
is, on net, likely to be quite a bit more than zero.
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    \28\ As an example, certain additional revenues expected from the 
Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) have not materialized as 
expected, for a number of reasons. ``When FATCA was implemented, it was 
estimated to bring in $8.7 billion in revenue over the next 10 years. 
Although total revenues tied to the legislation are unclear, the IRS 
has collected less than $14 million over the last 12 years.'' See 
https://brighttax.com/blog/fatca-update-april-2022.

    There are other fundamental matters to consider at today's hearing, 
in addition to whether the actual net deficit result will be $100.4 
billion, or $50.2 billion, or something else. What types of metrics for 
example, besides, revenues, will be used to track enforcement 
activities? In the 1980s and 1990s, Congress acted to make certain that 
performance and promotion evaluations for individual IRS employees were 
not based on collection quotas.\29\
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    \29\ See, for example, Parker, John. ``IRS Officers Pressured to 
Make Seizures, Ex-Chief Says.'' Daily Oklahoman. August 19, 1998. 
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1998/08/19/irs-officers-pressured-
to-make-seizures-ex-chief-says/62271734007/. And, Associated Press. 
``IRS Suffers `Seizure Fever,' Agents Tell Subcommittee.'' Los Angeles 
Times. June 23, 1987. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-06-
23-fi-10105-story.html.

    The IRS Strategic Operating Plan outlines a number of activities 
that will take compliance in partially or entirely new directions, 
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unpredictable ways. These include:

          ``Develop a process for continually refining compliance 
        analytics models based on feedback and new information'' for 
        audits. Robust models could prevent wasted resources, but 
        flawed or biased ones could just as easily lead the Service 
        down costly rabbit holes.

          ``Develop and implement a plan to improve the IRS 
        Whistleblower Program.'' NTU is a longtime supporter of the IRS 
        Whistleblower Program, and whistleblower protection laws 
        throughout the Federal Government. In fact, the focused 
        information and ``leads'' from this program could prove more 
        effective for compliance and audits than hit-and-miss data 
        dragnets that require costly resources and end up targeting 
        innocent taxpayers. Depending on how and when this program 
        upgrade is prioritized, however, key opportunities for revenue 
        recovery could be missed.

          ``Develop approaches and new treatments for large 
        partnership enforcement by leveraging data and analytics.'' A 
        Treasury Inspector for Tax Administration (TIGTA) report from 
        last year reported that the ``no-change'' in partnership audits 
        ranged from 78 to 90 percent.\30\ How much the IRS's new 
        ``approaches'' affect that rate could mean billions of revenue 
        dollars either way. We would hasten to add that many of the 
        energy provisions in the IRA would allow for the ``sale'' of 
        tax credits from taxpayers who could not fully utilize them to 
        others. These transactions would likely involve the very 
        partnerships that many IRA supporters seem to view with 
        suspicion. The political pressure on the IRS's partnership 
        audit goal could thus be acute, and diminish possible revenue 
        collections.
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    \30\ Bonner, Paul. ``BBA Partnership Audits Show High No-Change 
Rates, TIGTA Says.'' Journal of Accountancy, March 28, 2022. https://
www.journalofaccountancy.com/news/2022/mar/bba-partnership-audits-show-
high-no-change-rate-tigta-says.html.

    The greatest uncertainty in revenue estimates, however, is the 
basis on which they are projected: the ``tax gap'' itself. Other 
witnesses will be providing greater detail than NTU's testimony on this 
issue; our work suggests that while the tax gap is considerable, 
measuring its size depends not only on taxpayer behavior, but also 
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actually apply.

    The historic fluctuations in official estimates of the tax gap are 
an illustration of the volatile nature of the issue. Earlier this year 
Joe Bishop-Henchman, a colleague at our sister organization National 
Taxpayers Union Foundation, wrote:

        The IRS released its latest estimates of the tax gap in 2022. 
        The IRS found that the annual gross tax gap for 2014-2016 was 
        $496 billion. After late payments and enforcement actions, the 
        net tax gap was $428 billion. That figure represented 2.7 
        percent of GDP, the same as estimates for other recent years, 
        and down from 3.3 percent in 2001 and 3.4 percent in 2006. The 
        IRS estimates that the gap in 2017-2019 dipped to 2.6 percent 
        of GDP.

        International studies show that the United States has a fairly 
        low tax gap compared to other countries. In a 2018 study, 
        Polish economists Konrad Raczkowski and Bogdan Mroz estimated 
        tax gaps for 35 countries, including 28 EU countries and the 
        United States. They put the U.S. gap at 3.8 percent of GDP and 
        the EU gap at 7.7 percent of GDP. . . . In a 2019 study, 
        political economist Richard Murphy estimated that the tax gap 
        for 28 EU countries was equivalent to 5.6 percent of GDP. The 
        latest IRS study puts the U.S. Federal tax gap at 2.7 percent, 
        but with an estimated state-local tax gap added, the U.S. total 
        tax gap would be about 4.2 percent of GDP.\31\
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    \31\ Bishop-Henchman, Joseph. ``Transforming the Internal Revenue 
Service.'' Cato Institute Policy Analysis No. 942. April 11, 2023, pp. 
9-11. https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/transforming-internal-
revenue-service.

    But what of the as-yet-indeterminate components of the tax gap, 
such as digital assets, that are not fully incorporated into 
conventional estimation methodologies? A National Taxpayers Union 
Foundation analysis from 2021 illuminated some of the obstacles to 
reaching a firm calculation, at a time when then-Commissioner Rettig 
ventured the total tax gap ``could approach and possibly even exceed'' 
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$1 trillion:

        A rough IRS estimate in 2018 placed the tax gap from 
        cryptocurrency at about $11.5 billion, back when the digital 
        cryptocurrency market was worth an estimated $500 billion.

        Even assuming the IRS has failed to improve at all on its 
        previously estimated noncompliance rate of 50 percent, this 
        extrapolates to a cryptocurrency tax gap of just under $50 
        billion based on the 400 percent increase in global market 
        capitalization that digital currencies have enjoyed since then. 
        That is of course a significant amount, but it is also only 
        around 12 percent of the $381 billion tax gap estimate.

        The IRS also has not made a concrete estimate of offshore 
        holdings which are going untaxed. Research the IRS helped fund 
        and authored in part by left-wing economist Gabriel Zucman 
        placed the amount of American offshore holdings in low-tax 
        jurisdictions at just over $1 trillion. They arrive at this 
        number by assuming that 95 percent of wealth in these holdings 
        is concealed from the IRS, an estimate which is likely 
        high.\32\
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    \32\ This is especially the case since the passage of the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, after the National Taxpayers 
Union Foundation analysis was published. The law extends the $10,000-
plus cash transaction reporting requirement businesses to digital 
assets, giving the IRS a new stream of data to examine for possible tax 
evasion. New estimates of revenues from this area of tax compliance 
will need to be adjusted to reflect efforts already underway.

        Nevertheless, even if one assumes this data is entirely 
        correct, the authors still estimate just $15 billion in 
        uncollected tax revenue per year. Combining this number with 
        the estimate of roughly $50 billion in uncollected 
        cryptocurrency tax revenue, we are still shy of $500 billion, 
        let alone $1 trillion.\33\
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    \33\ Wilford, Andrew, Moylan, Andrew, and Sepp, Pete. ``The Tax 
Gap: No Trillion-Dollar Silver Bullet.'' National Taxpayers Union 
Foundation. May 13, 2021. https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/the-
tax-gap-no-trillion-dollar-silver-bullet. Note former National Taxpayer 
Advocate Nina Olson's observation:
    Equating the entire tax gap to ``tax evasion'' is just so 
disingenuous. And it's also wrong; it's incorrect. Evasion has a 
technical meaning under the law, and generally it requires mens rea, a 
criminal intent. So much of it is error, or inadvertent . . . there are 
a bunch of different types of noncompliance. And if you say [it's all 
tax evasion]--and that's what The Washington Post called it, that's 
what The New York Times called it--then that creates distrust among the 
taxpayers of the tax agencies. [They're asking], ``why am I paying if 
you're letting all these people off the hook?''

    NTU does not contend that complete repeal of IRA's ``enforcement'' 
portion of IRS funding will have zero deficit impact, relative to the 
current budget baseline of which IRA is now a part. Nor, however, 
should IRA's supporters contend that shifting ``enforcement'' funding 
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deficits.

    Nor should serious policy advocates on either ``side'' of the IRA 
ignore the net revenue impacts of IRS funding decisions. One factor in 
this equation is whether increased compliance burdens on all taxpayers 
in an income class to ferret out just the noncompliant taxpayers, 
diverts resources from legitimate, profitable activities that might 
otherwise be taxed. We leave the detailed analysis of that matter to 
another witness on this panel, Chris Edwards, but we acknowledge its 
importance.

    In sum, precisely because the IRS would engage in brand-new 
compliance strategies, precisely because measurements of the tax gap 
and the hidden economy are fluid, and precisely because other options 
like improved customer service to enhance compliance have not been 
adequately explored, the deficit impact of IRA changes cannot easily be 
measured to the nearest $10 billion, or likely even to the nearest $100 
billion.

    It is also why tying this exercise to tax and spending legislation 
passed through the reconciliation process, is a far from helpful way to 
discuss the fiscal consequences of the transformation now occurring at 
the IRS. Defining the success of this transformation, and then making 
that success a priority, will yield enhanced revenue in the future. 
Arguing now over what exactly that revenue will be over a fixed period 
of time will, ironically, distract policymakers' attention from the 
very tasks needed to see those revenues come to fruition in the first 
place.

policy reality: even if the ``$400,000 pledge'' is kept, all taxpayers 
                will be affected by ira compliance funds
                
    A byproduct of the policy debate over IRA has been a fixation on 
Secretary Yellen's directive (reiterated by Commissioner Werfel) ``not 
to increase audit rates relative to historical levels for small 
businesses and households earning $400,000 per year or less.'' No less 
than half a dozen Questions for the Record submitted during 
Commissioner Werfel's confirmation hearing before this committee 
contained variations on that theme.\34\
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    \34\ United States Senate Committee on Finance. ``Finance Committee 
Questions for the Record, Hearing on the Nomination of Daniel Werfel, 
Responses by Daniel Werfel.'' February 24, 2023. https://
www.finance.senate.gov/download/responses-to-questions-for-the-record-
to-daniel-werfel.

    As my colleagues and I have written before, the $400,000 threshold 
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obvious question of how to define ``historical rate'':

          Does that amount represent adjusted gross income, modified 
        adjusted gross income, taxable income, total positive income, 
        or some other measure? Is it what a taxpayer reports on their 
        return for the year the IRS wishes to conduct an examination, 
        or is it what the IRS believes the taxpayer's taxable income 
        ought to be after proposed adjustments? If the latter, greater 
        numbers of Americans than advertised will be subject to 
        scrutiny, perhaps to no avail.

          Does this directive create a ``marriage penalty,'' in the 
        sense that the IRS could investigate a single taxpayer's return 
        reporting above $400,000, but could also look into a joint 
        return where each taxpayer earns $200,000? Dual-earner 
        households in large cities could be surprised to find 
        themselves under the microscope.

          What year will govern the audit decision--the year of the 
        return under examination, or the taxpayer's present 
        circumstances? A business owner who earned $500,000 during the 
        good times of 2019 might be shocked to get an audit notice next 
        year if she finds herself struggling with half that cash flow 
        today. In fact, high-income tax returns are also among the most 
        volatile in reporting year over year incomes.

          What happens if the directive is disobeyed or 
        unintentionally violated? The Secretary's ability to impound 
        funds is highly limited. And if ``accidents'' happen, how can a 
        taxpayer possibly be made whole? A Treasury directive does not 
        carry the force of law in court, and regardless, no outside 
        entity will be monitoring IRS audit rates in real time.\35\
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    \35\ For more detail, see Brady, Demian. ``What the IRS's New 
Enforcement Budget Means for Taxpayers.'' National Taxpayers Union 
Foundation. September 21, 2022. Retrieved from: https://www.ntu.org/
foundation/detail/what-the-irss-new-enforcement-budget-means-for-
taxpayers.

    Do these concerns amount to parsing words? Perhaps, but the 
operation of the entire tax system often depends upon this very 
exercise, as Congress proves with myriad technical corrections to 
various tax laws, or with numerous controversies that wind up in the 
courts. Only very recently have clues begun to emerge on how exactly 
the IRS will keep this ``pledge,'' but the definition has yet to be 
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settled.

    Of greater importance, the IRS's own Strategic Operating Plan makes 
no secret that several compliance and enforcement efforts that have 
little to do with audits will apply to all taxpayers:

          ``Expand capacity and resources for our non-filer and 
        return-delinquency programs.''

          ``Create processes for real-time identification of taxpayers 
        who miss payments . . .''

          ``Develop and pilot new collection treatments based on data 
        and analytics.''

          ``Centralize compliance analytics and develop a process to 
        regularly model the population of tax returns.''\36\
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    \36\ IRS. (April 2023).``Internal Revenue Service Inflation 
Reduction Act Strategic Operating Plan: FY 2023-2031,'' pp. 56, 58, 60, 
and 66. Retrieved from: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p3744.pdf 
(accessed May 11, 2023).

    These projects are couched in terms of providing better service to 
taxpayers; and as for regular modeling of the tax return population, 
this is undoubtedly preferable to plowing ahead with compliance 
initiatives based on a poor understanding of the filing population. 
Nonetheless, they demonstrate that even if a strict $400,000 per-filing 
unit threshold, based on taxable income for the year audited, is 
faithfully adhered to, other types of ``enforcement'' and compliance 
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taxpayers.

    There are also practical considerations that will soon become 
evident. Suppose, for instance, IRS counsel are pursuing two cases in 
Tax Court with virtually identical facts and circumstances, thereby 
utilizing the same legal strategies in both actions. In the first 
action, the Service prevails against a taxpayer with an income (however 
measured) of $415,000. The second action, yet to be decided, involves a 
taxpayer with an income of $385,000. It is foolish to assume that the 
Service would suddenly drop the second case and walk away because of 
some fluid income threshold that doesn't even have a definition in 
statute.

    In addition, even the most precise analytics and data collection in 
the area of tax compliance are likely to yield ``false positives''--
potential audit selections that fall at or under the $400,000 threshold 
for some reason. Indeed, some situations may require innovative and 
advanced modeling for a particular behavior (e.g., concealing digital 
assets) regardless of income, and then identifying on purpose those who 
exceed the $400,000 threshold for possible audit. What happens to the 
``accidental'' or ``incidental'' data collected from this exercise for 
households who fall under the threshold? Will a handful of taxpayers at 
the $390,000 threshold be allowed to skate away from an audit? What if 
a million taxpayers making less than $100,000 are suspected of 
concealment? Will this portion of the data simply be destroyed, or used 
in some other non-audit compliance manner?

    Historically, it is also true that IRS tactics honed for use 
against one class of taxpayers are soon deployed against others. 
Information Document Requests (IDRs), once primarily a feature of 
large-business audits, are now commonplace in examinations involving 
firms with dozens rather than thousands of employees. In the mid-2010s, 
the use of designated summons power and designating cases for 
litigation in the examination and investigation process had become so 
widespread as to attract the attention of Congress and prompt limited 
reforms in the Taxpayer First Act.\37\
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    \37\ See, for example, Sepp, Pete. ``Statement Prepared for the 
Subcommittee on Economic Growth, Tax, and Capital Access, Committee on 
Small Business, United States House of Representatives, Regarding the 
Subcommittee's Hearing on `Audits and Attitudes: Is the IRS Helping or 
Hurting Small Businesses?' '' Submitted June 22, 2016. https://
www.ntu.org/publications/detail/statement-ofpete-sepp-to-house-
subcommittee-regarding-irs-small-business-reforms. Here we also note 
the analyses that many small businesses undergo when evaluating whether 
to challenge what they believe to be an erroneous IRS assessment, 
leading many to pay the tax owing to the costs of appeal or litigation. 
Today, given statistics of average disputed amounts of tax on small 
business returns (see IRS Data Book for FY 2022, https://www.irs.gov/
statistics/soi-tax-stats-irs-data-book), even some in income categories 
of $500,000 up to $1 million might make a similar judgment.

    Finally, the simple fact is that money is fungible. As Demian Brady 
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of National Taxpayers Union Foundation explained:

        Nothing the IRS receives in annual appropriations, over and 
        above the IRA funds, would be subject to the $400,000 taxpayer 
        income limitation. The Service could also simply request from 
        Congress, or to a more limited degree, redirect, more funds 
        from what it would otherwise normally spend on high-income 
        enforcement activities toward those lower on the scale. 
        Furthermore, neither Secretary Yellen nor Congress demanded 
        that any kind of public accounting be kept on how enforcement 
        dollars will be used against certain types and classes of 
        taxpayers. Additional monies in the IRA to the Treasury 
        Inspector General for Tax Administration could be employed for 
        such purposes, but here again, the legislation is silent on 
        where TIGTA is supposed to look.\38\
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    \38\ Brady, Demian. ``What the IRS's New Enforcement Budget Means 
for Taxpayers.'' National Taxpayers Union Foundation. September 21, 
2022. Retrieved from: https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/what-the-
irss-new-enforcement-budget-means-for-taxpayers.

    Congress could rectify this issue by following up with a demand for 
such a detailed accounting of high-income ``enforcement'' expenditures, 
but another form of reconciliation is necessary too: that IRA 
compliance funding will touch the entire taxpaying population, even if 
one enforcement tool is aimed at higher-income filers. Once this 
reality is accepted, the need for a holistic, systemic approach to 
compliance that respects all taxpayers' rights, regardless of their 
circumstances, will become apparent.

     recommendations: balancing compliance, fiscal responsibility, 
                          and taxpayer rights
                          
    If the IRS is to deliver what the Commissioner calls ``the 
modernized tax administration system the American people deserve,'' 
that achievement will not be solely because of the IRS's efforts. It 
will take a number of major commitments throughout government and the 
private sector to effectuate. The following are some of NTU's top 
priorities for members of the committee to consider. Some require 
direct congressional action, while others will benefit simply from your 
leadership and support.

(1) deploy existing assets for management, including the irs oversight 
                                 board
                                 
    We begin our list with this item for a reason. Congress cannot, on 
its own, effectively oversee the IRS's strategic plan without 
institutions that are dedicated to monitoring and making course 
corrections to the Service's strategies and tactics on a consistent 
basis.

    No other entity is better suited to this task than the IRS 
Oversight Board. Created in the IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 
1998 with the purpose of bringing in outside experts to oversee the 
``administration, management, conduct, direction, and supervision'' of 
IRS operations. It was specifically tasked with reviewing and approving 
the annual and long-range strategic plans of the IRS, including its 
mission and objectives. It can do so for 2023's Strategic Operating 
Plan,

    The Board is supposed to have nine members, including the Treasury 
Secretary and the IRS Commissioner as standing members along with seven 
positions appointed by the President and nominated by the Senate. One 
of the appointees must be either a Federal employee or a representative 
of IRS employees, but otherwise, as noted, the intention of the 1998 
Act was to bring people with private sector experience into discussions 
regarding the agency's operational challenges. Such experience need not 
be focused on managerial issues like IT or personnel. Private-sector 
Board members could bring valuable perspectives on how to measure the 
tax gap, where taxpayer and customer behavior patterns overlap, and how 
arbitration and mediation can resolve disputes.

    Even though appropriations for the IRS (as well as IRA) continue to 
include language providing support funding for the Board, it has 
unfortunately gone dormant since 2015 due to a lack of a quorum. That 
problem can be rectified almost immediately, by encouraging the 
President to send Board nominees to the Senate for quick confirmation.

    Reviving the Board won't be easy, but it is the first big test of 
whether policymakers are serious about making the Strategic Operating 
Plan work. Given that there was so little legislative collaboration on 
IRA versus RRA 98, it is more imperative now than it was 35 years ago. 
This committee can create a safe space for doing so, by reaching out to 
and encouraging the White House to send nominees for the Board to 
consider as soon as possible.

    At the same time, it is also apparent that little consultation with 
the IRS Advisory Council (IRSAC) and the Electronic Tax Administration 
Advisory Council (ETAAC) took place prior to production of the 
Strategic Operating Plan.\39\ This needs to change. IRSAC and ETAAC 
could focus on rectifying specific issues raised by the IRS Oversight 
Board, relying on their experience as practitioners and experts on many 
aspects of tax administration.
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    \39\ One member of IRSAC recently told me that the Council received 
little more than a private briefing just prior to the release of the 
plan. The Finance Committee could, and in our opinion should, ask IRS 
management for an explanation of the lack of consultation with IRSAC 
and ETAAC.

    Leveraging the underappreciated Taxpayer First Act Report of 2021 
likewise falls under this category. The Strategic Operating Plan would 
appear to contain an impressive level of detail in its 150 pages, but 
beyond the graphics, the generous font for text, and the ``Key 
Projects'' and ``Milestones'' sections is a fair amount of repetition 
and vagueness in how the ``Operating'' part of the plan would actually 
work. The Taxpayer First Report, spanning 254 pages, gives many 
detailed insights into how taxpayer service, personnel training, and 
organizational restructuring could modernize the IRS. These include how 
divisions of the Service can be reorganized to improve the taxpayer 
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improved, and how risks to managerial failure can be mitigated.

    While NTU does not agree with every approach in the report, the 
stakeholder outreach process, detailed in the report's appendices, is a 
good starting point for the kind of collaboration the IRS, in 
conjunction with Congress, the Oversight Board, IRSAC, ETAAC, and other 
stakeholders must follow going forward.

    We would not wish to neglect mentioning the need to speedily 
evaluate another nominee that may soon be coming the committee's way--
IRS Chief Counsel. The committee may of course find this nominee 
qualified or unacceptable, but it would be a mistake to simply defer 
action of any kind for months on end once the nominee is designated. 
Former IRS officials and tax practitioners alike have told us that the 
Service's legal team is especially sensitive to leadership from the 
top. Again, while the Biden administration may send a poor choice for 
Chief Counsel to the committee, it is important for members to act 
quickly to reject such a nominee, rather than leave the post unfilled 
and the Chief Counsel's office with a weak rudder that could steer 
IRS's legal strategy in even less helpful directions for taxpayers.
   
   (2) create ``off-ramps''--a working appeals process, settlement 
    initiatives, and adr--to protect taxpayers and save government 
                               resources
                               
    The Taxpayer First Act of 2019 should have been the final word in a 
nearly 
century-long line of orders from Congress to provide an independent, 
neutral forum for taxpayers and the government to resolve disputes 
without going to court. In addition to codifying the IRS Independent 
Office of Appeals, the 2019 law also limited the circumstances under 
which the Service could use tactics to deny appeal rights. Its language 
specifically stated that while the Treasury could provide ``reasonable 
exceptions,'' the ability to appeal was to be ``generally available to 
all taxpayers'' who were not taking ``frivolous position[s],'' as 
defined by 26 U.S.C. Sec. 6702(c).''

    In November 2022, the IRS proposed a rulemaking with no fewer than 
24 exceptions to appeal rights, including several that were clearly 
aimed at legitimate appeals challenging procedural validity of 
regulatory or subregulatory guidance. One reason the Service gave for 
its limits on appeals was resource constraints. But as NTU noted in 
comments filed in response to the rulemaking:

        We also believe that additional funding for the Office would be 
        an acceptable and welcome use of a portion of the $80 billion 
        in funding Congress has appropriated to the agency for use over 
        the next 10 years under the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) of 
        2022. In fact, additional spending to expand appeals rights and 
        independent review of tax controversies could ultimately save 
        the agency money over the long run, by obviating more expensive 
        and protracted litigation over tax controversies. The agency 
        could also see indirect savings from improved taxpayer 
        compliance, should taxpayers have confidence in a more robust 
        Independent Office of Appeals.\40\
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    \40\ Sepp, Pete, and Lautz, Andrew. ``Comments re: 87 FR 55934, 
`Resolution of Federal Tax Controversies by the Independent Office of 
Appeals.' '' November 14, 2022. https://www.ntu.org/publications/
detail/ntu-offers-comments-to-irs-on-resolution-of-federal-tax-
disputes.

    The IRS Strategic Operating Plan would seem to support this funding 
direction, by calling to ``[increase] staff in the Independent Office 
of Appeals to resolve tax controversies arising from enhanced 
compliance efforts.'' Commissioner Werfel himself affirmed that the 
appeals process should be a way to properly air facts and circumstances 
of individual cases, stating that a ``one-size-fits-all approach would 
not be aligned with these rights [to appeal].''\41\
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    \41\ United States Senate Committee on Finance. ``Finance Committee 
Questions for the Record, Hearing on the Nomination of Daniel Werfel, 
Responses by Daniel Werfel.'' February 24, 2023, pp. 22-23. https://
www.finance.senate.gov/download/responses-to-questions-for-the-record-
to-daniel-werfel.

    Without additional congressional guidance, however, the IRS's 
rulemakings could stand, and appeals could still be a limited channel 
for taxpayers to assert their rights. One excellent way to provide that 
guidance would be through committee markup and reporting to the floor 
of Senator Cornyn's ``Small Business Taxpayer Bill of Rights'' (S. 
1177).\42\ This legislation would clarify and strengthen appeal rights 
by effectively banning ex parte communications between the Appeals 
office and the rest of the IRS, as well as preventing the Appeals 
office from raising new issues or theories with taxpayers when meeting 
with them.
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    \42\ Sepp, Pete and Lautz, Andrew. ``Senate Bill Would Provide 
Small Business Taxpayers with New Rights.'' National Taxpayers Union. 
May 17, 2021. https://www.ntu.org/publications/detail/senate-bill-
would-provide-small-business-taxpayers-with-new-rights.

    Another problem resolution method the Service should embrace more 
fully, where facts and circumstances of many taxpayers are indeed in 
closer alignment, is the settlement initiative. Pioneered over 40 years 
ago under then-IRS Commissioner Roscoe Egger, this concept allows the 
IRS to offer limited-time legal settlements to taxpayers in cases with 
no litigation hazard and where there are no precedents to be set or 
compliance problems in the absence of a trial. Depending on the issue 
at hand, a taxpayer might be able to keep a fraction of their deduction 
or credit in question, or could be limited only to their ``cash 
outlays'' in claiming a tax benefit. In the years that followed, 
settlement initiatives were successful in clearing numerous cases from 
crowded court dockets on matters such as the amortization of 
intangibles, a targeted jobs tax credit, and perhaps most successfully, 
in 2008, the lease-in/lease-out and sale-in/lease-out (LILO/SILO) 
controversy. Both the government and taxpayers benefited from reduced 
time and litigation costs, while the Treasury recovered tens of 
billions in revenues that might otherwise have entailed considerable 
effort and risk to recover.\43\
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    \43\ For excellent background, see Gomez, Armando, and Barral, 
Roland. ``It's High Time to Clear Out the Tax Court's Easement 
Backlog.'' Tax Notes Federal, Volume 179, April 10, 2023. https://
www.taxnotes.com/exempt-organizations/conservation-easements/its-high-
time-clear-out-tax-courts-easement-backlog/2023/04/25/7g8xx.

    Still another promising avenue is alternative dispute resolution 
(ADR), through mediation and binding arbitration. Common in tax systems 
around the world from the United Kingdom to Portugal to Australia, ADR 
allows taxpayers of limited means or time the ability to quickly obtain 
results that are fair to all parties. The National Commission on 
Restructuring the IRS gave extensive consideration to improving 
Alternative Dispute Resolution methods for use in Federal tax 
controversies, including mediation as well as binding arbitration. 
Limited procedures were in place at that time, applying primarily to 
cases of over $10 million or more. ADR at the tax agency was a 
relatively new concept, following passage of the government-wide 
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Administrative Dispute Resolution Act of 1996.

    Ultimately, the Commission did not make major recommendations in 
this area, although the subsequent 1998 RRA did remove the dollar 
threshold, and establish a pilot program for binding arbitration. 
Unfortunately, the usefulness of ADR for most taxpayers has so far been 
questionable. The National Taxpayer Advocate's 2016 Annual Report to 
Congress has made the IRS's failure to ``effectively use ADR'' as #15 
on the ``Most Serious Problems'' list.\44\
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    \44\ For background, see, Sepp, Pete. ``Comments before the 
Subcommittee on Oversight, Committee on Ways and Means, `IRS Reform: 
Resolving Tax Disputes,' '' September 13, 2017. https://www.ntu.org/
publications/detail/irs-reform-resolving-taxpayer-disputes.

    With ADR confined largely to the periphery of taxpayer service 
offerings by the IRS, the IRA funding infusion could easily stand up a 
more robust program. A legislative framework for doing so already 
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exists in S. 1177.

    Some may object to these ``off ramps'' as essentially ``escape 
routes'' for wealthy taxpayers. Aside from the fact that the U.S. 
Constitution does not define rights by income levels, all of these 
procedures actually inure most to the benefit of those whose legal 
resources are limited. Furthermore, they can aid in compliance by 
reinforcing public trust that these options for settling disputes are 
available to all and provide a ``fair shake'' for all. At the same 
time, expanding their availability would optimize revenue collection at 
the most efficient level of expenditure for the government, delivering 
early returns on IRA's funding.

    There are also reputational risks to consider when evaluating 
alternatives. In recent years the government has pursued increasingly 
exotic positions in court, on both substantive matters such as 
appraised values in tax deductions and Foreign Bank Account 
Registration penalties, to procedural matters such as the limits of the 
Administrative Procedure Act and ``1 day late'' taxpayer responses. The 
result has been embarrassing losses all the way up to the U.S. Supreme 
Court, some involving 9-0 rulings.\45\ It can be argued that the 
government's use of ``strategic ambiguity'' in court can actually spawn 
noncompliance from taxpayers who have diminished respect for the 
government's position and feel they have little to lose by not settling 
disputes.
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    \45\ For background, see Bishop-Henchman, Joseph. ``Transforming 
the Internal Revenue Service.'' Cato Institute Policy Analysis No. 942. 
April 11, 2023, pp. 5-6, 13-14. https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/
transforming-internal-revenue-service.
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 (3) examine and evaluate, in detail, the commissioner's and taxpayer 
       advocate's recommendations about the funding mix under ira
       
    With two of the Nation's top tax administration officials clamoring 
for a remedy to the ``funding cliffs'' for taxpayer services in IRA's 
funding for the Internal Revenue Service, this committee can exercise 
leadership now by examining in-depth whether and how title I, part 3 of 
the IRA (as well as other IRS funding) should be adjusted to reflect 
more immediate needs. This should also include business systems 
modernization, which could require more resources than anticipated. 
Again, NTU emphasizes that this examination should not be viewed as 
``zero-sum.'' Enhanced taxpayer services and business systems 
modernization can make significant contributions to compliance and 
resulting revenues. Of course, the committee is not the arbiter of 
appropriations, but it is uniquely equipped, along with the House 
Committee on Ways and Means, to comprehensively review the IRS's fiscal 
trajectory. This needs to take place in ``real time,'' as 
appropriations season gets into full swing.

             (4) focus on a wide range of compliance tools
             
    As this testimony has made quite clear, the goal of ``compliance'' 
does not always require the means of ``enforcement.'' As far back as 
1997, Ernest Dronenburg, a member of the National Commission on 
Restructuring the IRS, and former California Board of Equalization 
leader, remarked that:

        A .5-percent increase in voluntary compliance resulting from 
        taxpayer education and changing attitudes would increase 
        revenue in my state by over $400 million annually. Conversely, 
        doubling our current audit coverage from 3 percent to 6 percent 
        would produce less than half that amount.\46\
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    \46\ Cited in Sepp, Pete. ``Comments before the Subcommittee on 
Oversight, Committee on Ways and Means, `IRS Reform: Resolving Tax 
Disputes,' '' September 13, 2017. https://www.ntu.org/publications/
detail/irs-reform-resolving-taxpayer-disputes.

    Over the past 35 years, research into the effectiveness of non-
``enforcement'' compliance tools has become more sophisticated, with 
encouraging results. For example, at the IRS/Tax Policy Center 2022 
Joint Research Conference on Tax Administration, researchers Brian 
Galle and Alexander Yuskavage presented a paper that examined the 
impact of ``non-monetary sanctions'' on tax compliance. Utilizing a 
data set of California's ``Top 500'' delinquent taxpayers (obviously 
high-income earners), they found ``strong positive compliance 
responses'' to a program that employed notices such as those ``warning 
of the imminent publication of a taxpayer's personal information and 
potential license suspension.''\47\ At the 2021 joint conference, Paul 
Organ presented research indicating that ``collateral sanctions'' via 
the IRS's passport certification and revocation process have ``an 
immediate and strong positive effect on compliance actions for many of 
those denied a passport request.''\48\ These tactics, while potentially 
more focused and less intrusive than a levy or lien to satisfy a tax 
debt, would still need to be wielded with caution.\49\
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    \47\ The full joint research conference proceedings may be viewed 
online at https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/event/12th-annual-irstpc-
joint-research-conference-tax-administration.
    \48\ The full joint research conference proceedings may be viewed 
online at https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/event/11th-annual-irstpc-
joint-research-conference-tax-administration.
    \49\ See, for example, Wilford, Andrew. ``Tax `Shame Lists': 19 
States Publish Private Info about Taxpayers.'' National Taxpayers Union 
Foundation. April 19, 2023. https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/tax-
shame-lists-why-19-states-publish-private-info-about-taxpayers.

    But there are many other compliance methods that are less coercive. 
On a recent ``Tax Chat!'' hosted by the Center for Taxpayers Rights' 
President Nina Olson, several experts in the field of tax compliance 
stressed the importance of building public trust in the government's 
expertise and fairness, not just fear of punishment. Erich Kirchler, a 
psychologist from the University of Vienna, Austria, noted that using a 
well-developed definition, each 1 percent increase in public trust of a 
tax authority led to more than double that percentage in compliance. 
Furthermore, the panelists discussed how ``nudges,'' such as asking for 
additional information on a tax return can help to resolve compliance 
issues before rather than after filing. One example a panelist gave was 
a large drop in claimed dependents when filers were required to list 
the Social Security numbers of those dependents. Notably, all agreed 
that the IRA's funding ratio of ``enforcement'' to ``taxpayer 
services'' was far too lopsided.\50\
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    \50\ The full ``Tax Chat!'' to which this paragraph refers may be 
viewed online at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR01e0vWRmY.

    If the IRS Strategic Operating Plan's goal of being able to ``help 
the taxpayer to become as compliant as possible'' is to be achieved, 
then tools such as these will need to be deployed in greater abundance. 
An Oversight Board, combined with congressional encouragement, could 
make a serious difference in making that happen.

   (5) develop better measures for alternative compliance strategies

    ``Data and Analytics'' is an oft-repeated theme in the IRS's 
Strategic Operating Plan for estimating the tax gap, finding patterns 
of non-compliance, and improving the taxpayer service experience. Yet, 
little has been discussed about the uses of data and analytics for 
alternate compliance tools as well as the impact of enforcement on the 
private sector.

    At the 2023 Donald C. Lubick Symposium sponsored by the Tax Policy 
Center, former National Taxpayer Advocate Nina Olson observed that very 
little work has been done to accurately measure the fiscal benefit to 
tax compliance by providing improvements in IRS taxpayer services.\51\ 
Conducting research in this area should be a top priority, elevating it 
to the same academic and econometric level that has hitherto been 
afforded largely just to the revenue windfalls from conventional 
``enforcement'' approaches. Commissioning such research now, perhaps 
using instructive language in IRS appropriations bills, would pay major 
dividends in the near future as IRS compliance strategies move from 
planning to execution.
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    \51\ The full Lubick Symposium to which this paragraph refers may 
be viewed online at https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/event/how-does-irs-
intend-invest-80-billion-over-next-decade.

    In addition, as witness Chris Edwards observed, solid research on 
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compliance approaches is sorely needed.

    As an example, for many years, National Taxpayers Union Foundation 
has published an annual analysis of Federal personal and business 
income tax system complexity, including estimates of paperwork burden 
hours based on Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) 
data.\52\ Two findings from recent studies are that many of OIRA's 
``information collections'' are based on very scant responses from 
taxpayers \53\ and that online reports are less than transparent:
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    \52\ See, for example, Brady, Demian. ``6.5 Billion Hours, $260 
Billion: What Tax Complexity Costs Americans.'' National Taxpayers 
Union Foundation. April 17, 2023. https://www.ntu.org/foundation/
detail/65-billion-hours-260-billion-what-tax-complexity-costs-for-
americans.
    \53\ Brady, Demian. ``Increasing Complexity Brings Back Bigger 
Compliance Burdens.'' National Taxpayers Union Foundation, April 18, 
2022. https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/increasing-complexity-
brings-back-bigger-compliance-burdens.

        One simple way to improve transparency would be to separate 
        information collections that have no actual cost from those 
        where the cost is indeterminate. This way, users of the data 
        would not have to wade through successive pages and attached 
        Supporting Statements to find that out. The information on 
        OIRA's paperwork burden database should specify that a cost is 
        indeterminate instead of listing it as $0.\54\
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    \54\ Brady, Demian. ``6.5 Billion Hours, $260 Billion: What Tax 
Complexity Costs Americans.'' National Taxpayers Union Foundation. 
April 17, 2023. https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/65-billion-hours-
260-billion-what-tax-complexity-costs-for-americans.

    It should be noted that the Foundation's paperwork burden estimates 
(6.5 billion hours and $260 billion) for individual and business filers 
do not include compliance costs associated with IRS subregulatory 
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public.

    Even with measurements that have more interest from researchers, 
the principle of competition could be brought to bear in encouraging 
more innovative, fresh approaches. After all, TIGTA recently pointed 
out improvements that are needed at the IRS's Office of Research, 
Applied Analytics, and Statistics (RAAS) for tax gap estimates:

        RAAS does not have documented policies or procedures for 
        producing the Tax Gap estimates. While the IRS has high-level 
        quality and research guidelines, they do not discuss the Tax 
        Gap estimates. In lieu of documented procedures, RAAS has 
        developed technical papers for each component of the Tax Gap 
        estimates, which provide varying levels of specificity on the 
        data sources and methodologies used. In addition, RAAS does not 
        have written policies, procedures, or guidance to 1) specify 
        the frequency of issuing Tax Gap estimates or 2) help RAAS 
        analysts meet internal milestones for developing the Tax Gap 
        estimates. Instead, RAAS relies on its staff's experience with 
        developing previous Tax Gap estimates to meet internal 
        milestones. This raises concerns about the potential for a 
        lapse in quality, timeliness, and continuity of operations 
        following an unexpected departure of subject matter 
        expert(s).\55\
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    \55\ Rascon, Jose. ``IRS Lacks a Clear Estimate of Uncollected 
Taxes, Watchdog Says.'' Meritalk, March 31, 2023. https://
www.meritalk.com/articles/irs-lacks-a-clear-estimate-of-uncollected-
taxes-watchdog-says/.

    Other Federal agencies, such as CBO, the Joint Committee on 
Taxation, the Small Business Administration, and others can and should 
be invited more regularly to share their experience and expertise on 
tax compliance matters. So should private sector associations and 
econometric firms. A well-functioning IRS Oversight Board, in 
conjunction with IRSAC, could easily provide the ongoing direction to 
coordinate this activity.
    
(6) ``tax certainty'' begins with following notice and comment procedures

    NTU applauds the Strategic Operating Plan's emphasis on providing 
guidance and certainty to taxpayers, including revision of notices ``by 
simplifying the language,'' ``increasing the current rate from five to 
seven notices per year to as many as 500 per year,'' ``develop[ing] 
additional, tailored tax certainty programs,'' and growing ``capacity 
for addressing taxpayer issues through guidance interpreting the tax 
law.''\56\
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    \56\ IRS. (April 2023).``Internal Revenue Service Inflation 
Reduction Act Strategic Operating Plan: FY 2023-2031,'' pp. 52-54. 
Retrieved from: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p3744.pdf (accessed May 
11, 2023).

    These efforts would have much more credibility if Congress or the 
courts were to affirm that the IRS must follow the Administrative 
Procedure Act requiring that ``agency decisions be made only after 
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affording interested persons notice and opportunity to comment.''

    My colleague at NTU Foundation, Joe Bishop-Henchman, recently 
explained:

        The IRS and the Treasury Department do not follow APA 
        procedures for most of the hundreds of official changes they 
        make annually to how they enforce the tax code, ``having 
        claimed for several decades that their rules and regulations 
        are exempt from those requirements.'' They characterize APA 
        directives as merely interpretive, not legally binding, and 
        therefore they are not subject to the APA. But even when the 
        Treasury Department has initiated a formal 
        notice-and-comment rulemaking process, it often skips steps. In 
        more than 36 percent of cases, it made the proposed rule 
        legally binding before accepting any comments, and in nearly 5 
        percent of cases, it skipped accepting comments and simply 
        adopted the final rule.

        It is no accident that the IRS set up a situation where it 
        claimed its one-sided and burdensome regulation was both exempt 
        from the APA process and unable to be challenged because of the 
        Anti-Injunction Act, or that the IRS can take months to respond 
        to taxpayers, but taxpayers automatically lose if they take 
        even 1 extra day to respond. The CIC Services and Boechler 
        decisions chip away at defenses that the IRS has often used to 
        insulate its subregulatory ``guidance'' from legal challenge. 
        But there still has not been a congressional or judicial 
        declaration that the IRS must follow the APA. Until that 
        happens, the IRS enjoys, as six Federal judges observed in 
        2011, ``a world in which no challenge to its actions is ever 
        outside the closed loop of its taxing authority.''\57\
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    \57\ Bishop-Henchman, Joseph. ``Transforming the Internal Revenue 
Service.'' Cato Institute Policy Analysis No. 942. April 11, 2023, p. 
7. https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/transforming-internal-revenue-
service.

    The Service can also do more to clarify for taxpayers the degree to 
which they may rely on subregulatory guidance such as the Internal 
Revenue Bulletin, Revenue Procedures, and Technical Advice Memorandums. 
Furthermore, the ``Job Aid'' process, which involves practitioners more 
thoroughly in the mechanics of compliance with complex issues should be 
amplified.\58\
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    \58\ See, as an example, Sepp, Pete. ``IRS Considering Backdoor 
Death Tax Hike.'' Comments to Internal Revenue Service re: Docket ID: 
IRS-REG-163113-02, RIN 1545-BB71. November 2, 2016. https://
www.ntu.org/publications/detail/irs-considering-backdoor-death-tax-
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    (7) tax simplification: the ``broken record'' that keeps playing
    
    No other single item in NTU's testimonies on tax administration 
over past decades has made the ``top 10'' list of recommendations than 
the need to simplify the tax laws. While we are well aware that this 
task is often extolled but rarely practiced, we once again offer some 
practical first steps.

    Section 4022 (a) of RRA 98 required the IRS to produce an annual 
report to Congress on ``sources of complexity in the administration of 
the Federal tax laws.'' The provision was successful, even though IRS 
compliance with it was limited. According to the National Taxpayer 
Advocate, the tax agency has issued just two annual reports compliant 
with the 1998 statute, but in both instances, ``Congress adopted 
legislation to address each area of complexity referenced in the 
reports, and the IRS addressed the administrative problems they 
uncovered. Thus, the IRS's decision to discontinue the reports has 
likely contributed to tax complexity.'' The last report was published 
in 2002; Congress should order resumption of the annual reports now.

    NTU also concurs with the Taxpayer Advocate's recommendation that 
``the IRS establish a process to automatically provide the tax writing 
committee staff with a list of specific front-line technical experts 
who can discuss the administrability of pending (or existing) 
legislation directly with the tax-writing committees,'' as provided in 
section 4021 of RRA 98. The most important results would be in 
budgetary savings to the IRS and reduced private-sector compliance 
costs--a win-win situation for taxpayers.

    Furthermore, the need for a regular review of the tax laws with an 
eye toward clearing away unnecessary, conflicting, or cumbersome 
provisions will always be extant. NTU's staff recalls vividly from 
field hearings and other submissions to the Commission that many 
members of the private-sector tax community were willing to volunteer 
substantial time and energy to make suggestions for simplification. A 
panel, meeting once every 4 years, would harness this volunteer 
activity.

    There are several models for a process such as this, among them the 
creation of an executive branch body (e.g., via the Federal Advisory 
Committee Act). Its mission: to evaluate title 26 of the U.S. Code and 
title 26 of the Code of Federal Regulations in order to methodically 
identify specific opportunities for simplification, clarification, and 
repeal of provisions that are complex, contradictory, difficult to 
administer, or outdated, and provide actionable recommendations that 
the executive and legislative branches can implement in expedited 
fashion.

    Members would include individual taxpayers, business taxpayers, tax 
practitioners, tax attorneys, academics, and former public officials 
with an expertise in tax administration (subject to Federal employment 
rules). The Commission's management could be drawn from the National 
Taxpayer Advocate's Office, the IRS Oversight Board, IRSAC, ETAAC, or 
the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. Participation 
and consultation of congressional staff would be invited and 
encouraged. The Commission's report could be partitioned according to 
those requiring legislative action and those necessitating executive 
action. In order to precipitate such action, the legislative portion 
could be required by law to be received by the tax-writing committees 
and brought to the floor under privileged consideration. The executive 
portion could be automatically referred to the rulemaking process under 
APA.

    The preceding outline would require additional details. As we have 
been for 25 years, NTU is ready and willing to assist in developing the 
charter for this Commission.

              (8) secure the service's it capacity before 
               launching ambitious cyber-compliance plans
               
    At the Donald C. Lubick Symposium mentioned earlier, former 
Commissioner Charles Rossotti mentioned the need to ``go slow'' when 
ramping up new compliance strategies.\59\ One area where NTU believes 
the IRS must indeed learn to walk before it runs is on the Information 
Technology track.
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    \59\ The full Lubick Symposium to which this paragraph refers may 
be viewed online at https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/event/how-does-irs-
intend-invest-80-billion-over-next-decade.

    By now, every member of this committee is well aware of the 
Service's IT problems with customer service, and all of us hope that 
Commissioner Werfel's ambitious goal of completely revising the 
interoperability of the Individual Master File by 2028.\60\ Although 
the Service's IT operations have certainly benefited from the 
leadership of Chief Information Officer (CIO) Sieger and hopefully from 
Acting CIO King, as the Government Accountability Office recently 
pointed out in February of this year, ``[a]s of August 2022, the IRS 
had 21 modernization initiatives, including 9 to replace its outdated 
IT systems. However, 6 of those 9 initiatives did not specify how they 
would dispose of outdated systems--a key element in IT 
modernization.''\61\ This is but one of many challenges on the road 
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    \60\ Rascon, Jose. ``IRS Chief Aiming for Individual Master File 
Update by 2028.'' Meritalk, April 20, 2023. https://www.meritalk.com/
articles/irs-chief-aiming-for-individual-master-file-update-by-2028/.
    \61\ U.S. Government Accountability Office. ``Information 
Technology: IRS Needs to Complete Modernization Plans and Fully Address 
Cloud Computing Requirements.'' GAO-23-104719, January 12, 2023. 
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-104719.

    Still, there are many areas of IT at the Service outside of 
taxpayer-facing platforms that will need to be updated . . . and none 
will require greater operational security than those platforms that 
will be designed for compliance research and data-gathering purposes. 
The Department of Justice has recently announced the formation of a 
Digital Asset Coordination Network to ``combat the growing threat posed 
by the illicit use of digital assets to the American public.''\62\ 
Digital assets are a key focus of the IRS as well as IRA supporters who 
see opportunities for revenue enhancement through increased compliance 
funding.
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    \62\ U.S. Department of Justice. ``Justice Department Announces 
Report on Digital Assets and Launches Nationwide Network.'' September 
16, 2022. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-
report-digital-assets-and-launches-nationwide-network.

    Aside from the fact that international criminals are notoriously 
difficult targets for tax compliance efforts, the fact that the IRS 
will be ``fishing in the pond'' of digital assets more often means that 
cybersecurity will take on special importance. Even if the Service is 
interested primarily in compliance from those who aren't running 
criminal schemes but are simply failing to properly pay taxes on 
legitimate digital asset transactions, the Service will be casting a 
wide net. Caught in that net will likely be some of the most skilled 
online malefactors in the world. The IRS must be prepared for anything 
to happen from these interactions. A breach of the Service's IT systems 
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could compromise our entire national security.

    Furthermore, while technology is an important driver in enhancing 
taxpayer service and compliance, it is not without risks to both 
objectives. During a recent Tax Policy Center webinar entitled ``Can 
Machine Learning Improve Tax Enforcement?'' Alex Engler of the 
Brookings Institution expressed support for the IRS's direction of its 
5-year-old machine learning techniques for detecting noncompliance but 
cautioned that the technology should be carefully monitored. As he 
explained, AI could improperly identify certain taxpayers for 
examination or enforcement, thus depriving them of certain deductions 
or credits. Some of the challenges to AI functioning properly in this 
area are that algorithms may be based on prior taxpayer case records, 
delays in court cases make ``fresh'' data problematic, and the shifting 
tax laws present a challenge to modeling. Also, parts of the tax code 
are very complicated, open to different interpretations and 
ambiguity.\63\
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    \63\ See Tax Policy Center, Urban Institute Webinar. ``Can Machine 
Learning Improve Tax Enforcement?'' 2022. The entire webinar to which 
this paragraph refers may be viewed online at https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=fIZYd3o7wJQ.

    The Strategic Operating Plan's commitment to ``[continue to 
implement best practices in cybersecurity'' is laudable, but given 
recent evaluations, much remains to be done. Last year, TIGTA found 
that the IRS failed to meet 17 of 20 ``Core Inspector General Metrics'' 
established for cybersecurity government-wide.\64\ In addition to 
taxpayer services, cybersecurity must be a foundational priority for 
the Service before other initiatives can move forward. Congress must 
provide firm guidance to the IRS during the appropriations process to 
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    \64\ Gaetano, Chris. ``TIGTA: IRS Cybersecurity Falls Short on 17 
of 20 Metrics.'' Accounting Today, July 21, 2022. https://
www.accountingtoday.com/news/tigta-irs-cybersecurity-programs-not-
effective-falls-short-on-17-of-20-metrics.
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  (9) plan for hearings on other approaches to improving compliance, 
      including access to courts and true ``community engagement''
      
    NTU continues to believe that as with any other area of compliance 
with laws, tax compliance benefits from the existence of safeguards to 
Americans' fundamental rights. When citizens feel that everyone will 
get a ``fair shake'' from examinations, collections, appeals, 
jurisprudence, and other aspects of tax administration, they will more 
readily respect and follow the laws of the system. With so many 
compliance resources flowing to the IRS, the committee could plan 
ahead.

    Although the 1988 and 1998 taxpayer rights laws provided for 
certain exceptions, taxpayers still generally cannot enforce their 
rights in court until after they have been violated. Under section 7421 
of the Internal Revenue Code, no lawsuit can be brought by any person 
in any court for the purpose of restraining the assessment or 
collection of a tax, except under limited circumstances.

    The case law around the Anti-Injunction Act further impedes the 
ability to restrain the collection of the tax. In theory, injunctions 
can be granted where the failure to grant relief would result in 
irreparable damage to the taxpayer, but in practice, this provision is 
virtually unusable. With the more recent CIC Services decision, the IRS 
can no longer hide behind the Act for every reason, such as penalty 
determinations. Nonetheless, the Declaratory Relief Act, which allows 
citizens to file a suit that can persuade a court to declare their 
rights, indicates that the law applies ``except with respect to Federal 
taxes.'' The Federal Tort Claims Act presents additional barriers to 
tax-related controversies.

    Congress should give serious consideration to providing citizens 
with the limited ability to stop the IRS from violating their rights 
through litigation. Doing so will involve some level of controversy, 
and will no doubt prompt lengthy deliberation. As a starting point, my 
colleague Joe Bishop-Henchman has suggested ``narrowing the Anti-
Injunction Act to limit only preliminary or temporary injunctions.'' 
Another approach might be for Congress to re-codify the 10 taxpayer 
rights in the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes Act of 2015 so that 
the rights may be invoked in actual disputes, instead of ``mere 
suggestion[s] for IRS employees that they can safely ignore.''\65\
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    \65\ Bishop-Henchman, Joseph. ``Transforming the Internal Revenue 
Service.'' Cato Institute Policy Analysis No. 942. April 11, 2023, p. 
12. https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/transforming-internal-revenue-
service.

    Besides weightier issues such as these, during markup of a version 
of the Taxpayer First Act in 2018, NTU offered suggestions to improve 
the taxpayer experience in Tax Court. Several Tax Court officials, 
including Chief Special Trial Judge Peter Panuthos, have been 
contemplating a shift in the Court's role to provide a fairer venue for 
taxpayers. At a 2017 International Conference on Taxpayer Rights, Judge 
Panuthos of the Court provided a truly compassionate (and in his case 
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might be able to engage in ``affirmative judging.''

    Andy Roberson of McDermott Will and Emery wrote:

        Drawing on a report by a law school professor, Judge Panuthos 
        discussed whether judges should follow the ``passive norm''--
        just call ``balls and strikes,''--or engage in affirmative 
        judging (i.e., assisting taxpayers by asking questions and 
        being more involved in the process). The discussion was very 
        interesting, particularly with the point being made that in 
        complex cases such as transfer pricing, judges routinely have 
        conference calls with the parties and are actively engaged in 
        trying to narrow the issues and get the parties to agree on 
        what is really at issue.\66\
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    \66\ Cited in Sepp, Pete. ``Comments on the Taxpayer First Act to 
the Honorable Lynn Jenkins and the Honorable John Lewis.'' April 4, 
2018.

    Five years ago, the Tax Court's Judicial Conference discussed 
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several changes to procedures that Congress ought to encourage:

          Codification of how amicus briefs can be filed in Tax Court 
        cases. Currently individual Tax Court judges have discretion 
        over how and where they are accepted.

          Availability of more Tax Court documents (such as filings, 
        not just decisions) online to the public, not just to litigants 
        or those who are able to visit the Tax Court's facility in 
        Washington, DC. Appropriate privacy guidelines, especially for 
        pro se taxpayers, would be necessary.

          Clearer and more consistent notices for non-party 
        subpoenas.\67\
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    The committee could be very helpful by formulating legislative 
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expressing the Sense of Congress that the Tax Court should do so.

    NTU wishes to remind committee members in recognition of this 
hearing's title, that for many years traditional ``law enforcement'' 
oversight mechanisms have been discussed for the IRS as well. One was 
brought to the attention of the Restructuring Commission during its 
Omaha, NE field hearing on April 4, 1997. During those proceedings, 
Samuel Walker, a Professor of Criminal Justice at the University of 
Nebraska-Omaha, offered a proposal for an IRS citizen review board. 
This office, modeled after citizen review and complaint entities 
established in many cities for police departments, would not be charged 
with resolving tax administration problems (the mission of the National 
Taxpayer Advocate) or allegations of criminal behavior (investigated 
through the Inspector General or the Department of Justice). Rather, it 
would hear taxpayer concerns over specific instances of mistreatment by 
IRS personnel and make recommendations for disciplinary action.

    Walker outlined a structure whereby an External Independent 
Complaint Auditor, appointed in consultation with Congress, would 
oversee an Internal Office of Citizen Complaints to receive specific 
reports from citizens and, summarize annually any changes to personnel 
procedures that might help to minimize incidents and complaints in the 
future. The Restructuring Commission's final report proposed, instead, 
that the IRS should ``centralize the cataloging and review of taxpayer 
complaints of IRS misconduct on an individual employee basis.'' This 
advice, subsequently embedded in RRA 98, has failed to provide a more 
formalized grievance procedure which, along with regular reporting on 
personnel remedies that a citizen review board can provide, could 
result in more productive resolution of disciplinary problems among tax 
agency employees.

    Congress could request a study from the IRS Oversight Board or 
National Taxpayer Advocate to evaluate the experiences of city police 
department complaint entities since 1997, and explore the suitability 
of updating Walker's proposal to current circumstances with the 
Strategic Operating Plan.\68\
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    \68\ For background see, Sepp, Pete. ``Comments before the 
Subcommittee on Oversight, Committee on Ways and Means, `IRS Reform: 
Resolving Tax Disputes,' '' September 13, 2017. https://www.ntu.org/
publications/detail/irs-reform-resolving-taxpayer-disputes.

    There are many other aspirational proposals we would gladly raise 
with committee members. The ones outlined here would plainly require 
bipartisan alignment that would need to take place over a potentially 
lengthy period of time. Nonetheless, it will pay--literally--to think 
ahead about proposals such as these, while the committee concentrates 
on near-term goals such as those articulated in legislative form below.
          
          (10) work on bipartisan legislation for much-needed 
                     reforms to tax administration
                     
    Despite recent, and at times heated, political rhetoric over the 
IRS and the $80 billion funding infusion provided to the agency by the 
IRA, lawmakers in both parties continue to work together on legislation 
that would improve tax administration. Doing so would foster a spirit 
of cooperation that could make all of the nine recommendations above 
less difficult to confront.

    Last month, NTU was proud to support the Taxpayer Advocate 
Enhancement Act, introduced by Senators Ben Cardin (D-MD) and Bill 
Cassidy (R-LA) in the Senate (S. 1283)\69\ and Rep. Randy Feenstra (R-
IA) and four bipartisan cosponsors in the House (H.R. 2755).\70\ This 
legislation would allow the National Taxpayer Advocate (NTA) to appoint 
her own counsel, enhancing the independence of the Office of the 
Taxpayer Advocate and improving the NTA's ability to provide sound, 
sensible, and nonpartisan recommendations on tax administration policy. 
NTU has supported allowing the NTA to hire her own counsel for years, 
since former NTA Nina Olson first included the recommendation in the 
annual ``Purple Book.''\71\
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    \69\ Congress.gov. ``S. 1283--Taxpayer Advocate Enhancement Act.'' 
Introduced April 25, 2023. Retrieved from: https://www.congress.gov/
bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/1283 (accessed May 11, 2023).
    \70\ Congress.gov. ``H.R. 2755--National Taxpayer Advocate 
Enhancement Act of 2023.'' Introduced April 20, 2023. Retrieved from: 
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2755 (accessed 
May 11, 2023).
    \71\ For the latest Purple Book, released in January 2023, see 
Taxpayer Advocate Service. ``National Taxpayer Advocate 2023 Purple 
Book.'' January 2023. Retrieved from: https://
www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/reports/2022-annual-report-to-congress/
national-taxpayer-advocate-2023-purple-book/ (accessed May 11, 2023).

    Last month we also supported the Cutting Paperwork for Taxpayers 
Act (H.R. 2978),\72\ introduced by Reps. Abigail Spanberger (D-VA) and 
Young Kim (R-CA). This common-sense legislation would prevent taxpayers 
receiving a late refund from the IRS from then also having to pay taxes 
on the interest they justly receive for the agency's delays.
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    \72\ Congress.gov. ``H.R. 2978--Cutting Paperwork for Taxpayers 
Act.'' Introduced April 27, 2023. Retrieved from: https://
www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2978 (accessed May 11, 
2023).

    Bipartisan legislation introduced earlier in the 118th Congress by 
Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Chair Wyden (D-OR) in the Senate, 
and Rep. Mike Kelly (R-PA) in the House, would significantly enhance 
whistleblower protections at the IRS. This important bill, the IRS 
Whistleblower Program Improvement Act (S. 625, H.R. 1300),\73\ 
dovetails with two critical and long-running initiatives advanced by 
NTU: improving Federal tax administration and enhancing Federal 
protections for courageous individuals blowing the whistle on wasteful 
spending or abuse of power within the government.
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    \73\ Congress.gov. ``S. 625--IRS Whistleblower Program Improvement 
Act of 2023.'' Introduced March 2, 2023. Retrieved from: https://
www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/625 (accessed May 11, 
2023); Congress.gov. ``H.R. 1300--IRS Whistleblower Program Improvement 
Act of 2023.'' Introduced March 1, 2023. Retrieved from: https://
www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/1300 (accessed May 11, 
2023).

    Another bipartisan bill introduced in the current session of 
Congress, the Electronic Communication Uniformity Act (S. 1338)\74\ 
from Senators Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) and Catherine Cortez Masto (D-
NV), would ``[provide] that such documents and payments [submitted 
electronically to the IRS by taxpayers] shall be deemed filed or made 
on the date on which they are sent electronically, regardless of the 
date on which the IRS actually receives or reviews them.'' This 
legislation would establish parity between electronic and paper 
filings, a recommendation NTU called for in an April 2022 written 
submission to this committee.\75\
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    \74\ Congress.gov. ``S. 1338--Electronic Communication Uniformity 
Act.'' Introduced April 27, 2023. Retrieved from: https://
www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/1338 (accessed May 11, 
2023).
    \75\ Sepp, Pete; and Lautz, Andrew. ``NTU Submits IRS Reform 
Recommendations Ahead of Agency's Budget Hearing.'' NTU, April 7, 2022. 
Retrieved from: https://www.ntu.org/publications/detail/ntu-submits-
irs-reform-recommendations-ahead-of-agencys-budget-hearing (accessed 
May 11, 2023).

    In summary, there is no shortage of productive, constructive, and 
bipartisan bills for this committee to consider in the months ahead 
that could reform IRS procedures and processes and improve tax 
administration as the agency embarks on spending up to $80 billion in 
supplemental funding over the next 10 years. There may be little to no 
agreement among the two parties over whether to keep or rescind the 
supplemental funding provided to the IRS by the IRA, and there may be 
even less agreement over how much supplemental funding may yield 
additional revenues for the Treasury, but there are plenty of areas of 
agreement that would improve the IRS and the taxpayer experience with 
the agency.

              at your service: the taxpayers first project
              
    Asking policymakers from many perspectives to work together, as 
this testimony does, is easier said than done. Nonetheless, perhaps the 
committee can draw some encouragement from a recent undertaking by the 
National Taxpayers Union Foundation.

    Taxpayers for IRS Transformation (Taxpayers FIRST) is designed to 
convene an expert group of non-governmental stakeholders with a diverse 
set of backgrounds and perspectives to offer guidance to the IRS as it 
plans to spend the most significant infusion of funding it has ever 
received. The Project aims to assist IRS officials and policymakers so 
that the new funding is spent effectively, improves taxpayer services, 
upgrades outdated technology, and helps efficiently reduce the tax gap 
while respecting and strengthening taxpayer rights and due process.\76\ 
These experts include:
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    \76\ For further information and updates in the Taxpayer FIRST 
project's activities, please visit www.taxpayers-first.org.

          Nina Olson, former National Taxpayer Advocate.
          Fred Goldberg, former Commissioner of the IRS.
          Caroline Bruckner, managing director of the Kogod Tax Policy 
        Center.
          Jason Fichtner, vice president and chief economist at 
        Bipartisan Policy Center.
          Jeff Trinca, former tax counsel for Senator David Pryor (D-
        AR) and currently founding vice president with Van Scoyoc 
        Associates.
          Janet Holtzblatt, senior fellow at the Urban-Brookings Tax 
        Policy Center.
          Erica York, senior economist at Tax Foundation.
          Renell Dubay, Kay Perrone and Associates.
          Gordon Gray, director of fiscal policy at American Action 
        Forum.
          Fred Forman, former IRS Associate Commissioner of Business 
        Systems Modernization.
          Jason DeCuir, partner at Advantous Consulting.
          Adam Michel, former Deputy Staff Director of the Joint 
        Economic Committee and current director of tax policy at Cato 
        Institute.
          Barbara Robles, former principal economist at the Federal 
        Reserve Board of Governors as well as the Joint Committee on 
        Taxation and former tax examiner for the IRS.
          Alex Brill, senior fellow at American Enterprise Institute.
          Peter Mills, senior manager of tax policy at AICPA.
          Rebecca Thompson, vice president of strategic partnerships 
        and network building at ProsperityNow.

    These individuals, joined by leaders from the National Association 
of Enrolled Agents and more to follow, will be conducting many 
consultative sessions this year on matters such as measuring the tax 
gap, improvements to customer service, modernization, and protection of 
taxpayer rights and privacy. Taxpayers FIRST will be presenting its 
recommendations in reports to be released at public events into 2024.

    The National Taxpayers Union Foundation has been able to initiate 
Taxpayers FIRST in part to serve as a resource to policymakers who are 
earnestly seeking solutions to many of the challenges facing the IRS's 
future success. This panel of experts, which will add members over 
time, will be available on tax administration matters at any point in 
time. Please consider Taxpayers FIRST to be an advisor in the 
committee's work.

                               conclusion
                               
    How do organizations execute successful transformations? This is 
the central question subsequent to the enactment of $80 billion of 
additional funding for the IRS. In my opinion, such transformations, 
whether in the private or public sectors, come from several sources.

          From employees. Private companies, on occasion, are prompted 
        to change through their workforces. IRS workers proved to be 
        key in advising the National Commission on Restructuring the 
        IRS, as well as this committee during the deliberations over 
        RRA 98. They were able to identify leadership, personnel 
        policy, and structural issues that were standing in the way of 
        success for the Service's next chapter. So far, Congress has 
        heard little from Service employees about the Strategic 
        Operating Plan.

          From customers. Private-sector actors are under constant 
        pressure to innovate and deliver, at the risk of losing 
        customers. To be frank, taxpayers can't choose which IRS to 
        use, and therefore are not ``customers'' in the conventional 
        sense. They can only exert a modest degree of influence over 
        the way the Service operates by volunteering for IRSAC, ETAAC, 
        the Taxpayer Advisory Panels, and occasionally, through 
        litigation.

          From competitors. Loss of market share from firms that 
        provide a product faster, cheaper, and better often 
        incentivizes private-sector companies to keep innovating or 
        fade away. Here again, except for a few Americans who take the 
        drastic step of renouncing citizenship, the IRS has no 
        ``competitor'' at the Federal level. ``Patriotic'' or not, 
        companies and individuals abroad seeking to invest in the 
        United States, as well as those already here who are 
        contemplating expansion, can evaluate whether tax 
        administration climates elsewhere in the world are more 
        hospitable.

          From shareholders. This group is a fulcrum of leverage that 
        can often change the entire direction of a private company. 
        Alas, there is not a direct equivalent in government, save the 
        voters, who get to speak more on the general path of government 
        than specific issues like IRS management.

          From boards of directors and others. Many private-sector 
        companies are reoriented in a more productive direction by 
        positive action from boards of directors and other entities 
        that are outside the day-to-day management structure. So it 
        must be with the IRS--a functioning Oversight Board, along with 
        IRSAC, ETAAC, TAPs, Congress, and institutions outside 
        government such as Taxpayers FIRST, and many, many more 
        institutions yet to weigh in, can have a role in a 
        transformation for which all Americans have a stake.

    This testimony has been broken into sections using the theme of 
``realities,'' no doubt leading some to wonder whether the 
recommendations above are realistic themselves. The answer is, they 
have to be. No, activities such as rebalancing the role of the courts, 
or imposing a tax simplification process, can happen overnight. But 
other steps, such as reconstituting the IRS Oversight Board and 
evaluating the IRA funding mix, can and should happen now.

    Each item in these recommendations may have its own timetable, but 
several are well within the grasp of this Congress, this year. For the 
sake of all taxpayers, let us move forward.

    I am most grateful to all of you for engaging in this hearing and 
for devoting so much attention to these lengthy remarks.

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            Questions Submitted for the Record to Pete Sepp
                      
           Question Submitted by Hon. Catherine Cortez Masto
           
    Question. Taxation in Indian Country is unnecessarily complex and 
hinders economic development in areas that need it most. Often, the 
reason for the complexity is that Tribal Governments are not always 
consulted when Federal tax legislation is being drafted or during the 
regulatory process. As a result, Tribal Governments do not have access 
to the same economic development tools as State and local governments; 
this only exacerbates the health, education, and financial disparities 
in Native American communities.

    In your testimony you talk about the need to focus on compliance 
and to use existing assets for management. My office is working with 
Tribal stakeholders to support the advancement of American Indian and 
Alaska Native communities and foster economic opportunities, but there 
needs to be Tribal consultation when it comes to compliance.

    Can you discuss how the IRS can bring Tribes to the table to ensure 
compliance? How can more resources help outreach?

    Answer. Historically the IRS has tended to undervalue proactive 
(and preventative) stakeholder and taxpayer outreach and consultation 
as tools to encourage compliance. They are often at the front of the 
line for budgetary reductions when the Service is strapped for funds. 
For example, there are currently no IRS Taxpayer Assistance Centers 
overseas for Americans living abroad, while only recently have the TACs 
been better staffed in Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory. The new IRA 
funding should prioritize services like these, which aid in compliance 
on the front end, before pouring billions more dollars into 
``enforcement'' for post-filing scenarios, which are much costlier on a 
per-case basis.

    The problem is far worse with Tribal stakeholders. A common 
misconception is that all economic activities of Tribes and their 
members are federally tax-exempt, when in reality the situation is much 
more complicated--especially for individual Tribal members. 
Maladministration of the tax laws, or a poor understanding of the 
Service's part of how Tribal Governments and their members actually 
function economically, can lead to lost opportunities for growth and 
prosperity.

    I fully agree with your concerns and would recommend the following 
steps to help ease the problems arising from tax complexity's impact on 
American Indian and Alaska Native communities:

        (1)  H.R. 2676, the IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998, 
        required a Tax Complexity Analysis of legislation affecting 
        large numbers of individuals or businesses as it moved through 
        Congress. Unfortunately, this provision has often been waived. 
        I would suggest modifying this section of H.R. 2676 (section 
        4022 (b)) to allow a member of the Senate Finance or House Ways 
        and Means Committee to request a tax complexity analysis from 
        JCT and IRS for any bill brought before the committee. This 
        could allow a member to generate early discussion on the impact 
        of a given tax bill on Tribal Governments and members.
        (2)  Provide for regular meetings of the IRS Taxpayer Advocacy 
        Panels on a rotating basis in American Indian and Alaska Native 
        Communities, in order to obtain practical recommendations for 
        the design of publications and tax returns for Tribal members.
        (3)  Request that GAO, the National Taxpayer Advocate, and the 
        IRS Advisory Council consult directly with Tribal Governments 
        to catalog the sources of complexity, confusion, and 
        frustration that Tribal Governments have experienced due to 
        lack of consultation over the design of Federal tax laws. This 
        collection of information could allow the Treasury's Office of 
        Tribal Affairs as well as appropriate committees in Congress to 
        work together in addressing the worst areas of complexity.

    All these initiatives would require greater funding, but the 
investment would be worthwhile.

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                 Questions Submitted by Hon. Todd Young
                 
    Question. One premise of this hearing is that if the House-passed 
Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 were to become law, none of the taxpayer 
services improvements at the IRS would have taken place or could be 
sustained. Is this true?

    Answer. While the Limit, Save, and Grow Act would certainly curtail 
and restrict the growth of IRS funding, choices could still be made 
within those funding levels to prioritize taxpayer services. By most 
accounts, the IRS will have spent somewhere in excess of $500 million 
of IRS funding on taxpayer service improvements by June 30, 2023. I 
believe this expenditure certainly is having palpable, salutary effects 
on the taxpayer experience in contacting and interacting with the IRS. 
It was a wise investment, not only for building goodwill in the tax 
filing population but also for aiding compliance with tax laws (a far 
less expensive way to enforce the laws compared to audits and other 
post-filing activities). A $500+ million shift of funding toward 
taxpayer services could be accommodated under the Limit, Save, and Grow 
Act. However, I would also contend that for longer-term improvements in 
the way the Service operates, additional funds, potentially beyond 
those that the Limit, Save, and Grow Act, could be desirable if 
accompanied by proper reforms and guard rails. I believe it is 
particularly important to acknowledge the need for multiyear capital 
expenditures to finally embark on the urgently needed Business Systems 
Modernization at the Service. Without a successful, timely, and well-
overseen BSM, none of the goals that Republicans or Democrats on the 
committee have for the IRS--whether customer service improvements, 
respect for taxpayer rights, or even stricter compliance--can be 
reached. Whether effectuated by additional funding, shifts in funding, 
or a combination thereof, this is the one critical piece on which 
Congress should focus.

    Question. In your experience, what have been the key ingredients in 
past IRS transformation bills that have made success for taxpayers 
likelier?

    Answer. Every successful IRS transformation effort has, in my 
opinion, shared several elements:

        (1)  Detailed strategic planning that sets specific objectives 
        and timelines (see the Taxpayer First Act report to Congress) 
        rather than repetitive aspirations that later become obfuscated 
        (see the Strategic Operating Plan);
        (2)  Ongoing guidance from experts outside the IRS and Congress 
        that can provide day-to-day consultation on the implementation 
        of strategic planning (e.g., the IRS Oversight Board created in 
        the IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998, now dormant due 
        to lack of a quorum of members);
        (3)  Consistent ``feedback loops'' that allowed periodic course 
        corrections from Congress to reach objectives of reform (e.g., 
        Taxpayer Bill of Rights of 1998, ``T2'' of 1996, and RRA of 
        1998).
        (4)  A focus on transforming first, rather than the need to hit 
        some specific revenue target. Prior to the infusion of funds 
        from IRA, no other legislation purporting to have serious 
        intentions of changing direction at the IRS was so driven by 
        ``the score.'' Lawmakers all recognized the revenue impacts of 
        the IRS reform legislation they were proposing, but the 
        priority was to set the proper stage for success, from which 
        revenues would eventually flow.

    Question. Do you believe that the $15 million in Inflation 
Reduction Act (IRA) funding to study the feasibility of a government-
run filing and tax preparation portal was a wise use of resources?

    Should the development of this portal be a priority program for the 
IRS?

    Answer. As I mentioned earlier, Business Systems Modernization must 
be the sole, strongest focus of time, talent, and resources at IRS. The 
development of the Direct File portal represented the polar opposite of 
what the Service should have been doing in the area of technological 
improvement. NTU has supported the public-private consortium known as 
Free File, while acknowledging the need for evolving that partnership 
into one that can serve even more taxpayers with private-sector driven 
innovation. Direct File was a diversion of resources at a critical 
point in the Service's plans for modernization, not to mention a 
contravention of the statutory language's intent that the Service 
develop only a study rather than an actual system. This is an example 
of misplaced priorities.

    Question. How much of recent improvements at IRS--such as answering 
phones and processing returns--are due to the end of pandemic-related 
workplace and managerial procedures versus new funding from IRA?

    Answer. This is a difficult question to answer, precisely because 
many of the measurements the IRS should have been taking during the 
pandemic were never done. Nonetheless, there are some clues that fall-
offs in certain needs among the tax filing population may be driving at 
least some of the improvements in customer service. As an example to 
your point, Senator, GAO has reported that in 2023 the IRS answered 7.7 
million calls versus 4.6 million in 2022. Yet, the response rate that 
IRS officials have touted is tremendously impacted by the fact that far 
fewer taxpayers contacted the IRS in 2023 than in 2022 (25.9 million 
versus 63.7 million). Much of this is due to the expiration of 
pandemic-era tax relief programs. Furthermore, the Service does not 
report on the outcomes of all its calls. How many calls, once answered, 
provided the help the taxpayer needed, as opposed to the taxpayer being 
told their question was ``out of scope'' and that they should consult a 
tax advisor instead. The need to develop better metrics of the relative 
volume of service, as well as the quality of service, remains apparent, 
and is one topic of study for the advisory board of our research arm's 
Taxpayers FIRST project.

    Question. Going forward, how important will stakeholder input into 
the uses of IRA funding for the IRS be?

    How, where, and when can such input be facilitated?

    Answer. The worst possible outcomes from IRA funding will stem from 
neglect--neglect of stakeholder input, neglect of oversight from 
entities such as TIGTA and National Taxpayer Advocate, and neglect of 
Congress (largely due to a crowded legislative agenda). Many of the 
traditional stakeholder input processes that help to inform the 
decisions of many other Federal entities--such as the Administrative 
Procedure Act--have been a source of controversy and litigation for 
more than a decade with the IRS. Other forums for stakeholder input, 
among them the Taxpayer Advisory Panels, the IRS Advisory Council, 
National Taxpayer Advocate, and the Electronic Tax Administration 
Advisory Committee, can provide useful guidance to the Service, but 
such guidance is not binding and can span a wide range of 
administrative issues.

    Several additional steps can and should be taken to facilitate 
actionable input on uses of IRA funding. These include:

        (1)  Although the IRA funding has taken place outside the 
        regular appropriations process, there is no reason why that 
        process should not provide appropriations committees with the 
        opportunity to evaluate the effectiveness of various IRA-funded 
        initiatives. The committees should be able to demand cost-
        benefit analysis and progress reports from the IRS on each 
        element of the Strategic Operating Plan. After all, how IRA 
        funding is being put to work directly impacts decisions for 
        allocation annual appropriations to the IRS, and vice versa.
        (2)  I must reiterate here the value of the IRS Oversight Board 
        concept which, for a few years after enactment of the 1998 IRS 
        Restructuring and Reform Act, provided incisive managerial 
        recommendations and reports to Congress on how transformation 
        funding was spent in accordance with the objectives of the 
        statute and the strategic plans developed by IRS leadership. 
        Congress can and should consider legislation improving this 
        concept.
        (3)  While there are numerous entities collecting input from 
        stakeholders on various aspects of tax administration (see list 
        above), I believe that insufficient consideration is currently 
        being given to the role that the recently established Taxpayer 
        Experience Office at IRS could play as a central coordinator of 
        that input. The Committee could request that the Commissioner 
        task the TEO with serving as a clearinghouse for IRA funding 
        input from stakeholders and report quarterly to Congress on 
        trends. Alternatively, if independence or transparency is a 
        concern, the National Taxpayer Advocate could be assigned this 
        function.
        (4)  The IRS should be encouraged to utilize ``real-time'' 
        feedback tools when interacting with taxpayers. One such tool 
        is the ``regulatory sandbox,'' which allows regulators and 
        regulated entities to engage in a structured, productive 
        environment focused on problem solving rather than posturing. A 
        regulatory sandbox model could be adapted to the purpose of 
        engaging in exercises over IRA resource allocation and 
        prioritization. As an example, experts from private sector 
        could be invited to design different hierarchies for various 
        parts of the IT infrastructure, positing the ``what ifs'' from 
        one approach to modernization versus another. My colleague Ryan 
        Nabil has written extensively about regulatory sandboxes in the 
        United States and abroad and would be delighted to discuss them 
        with the committee further.

    Question. What recommendations would you make to Congress in how it 
should oversee IRS hiring and personnel practices as IRA funding is 
implemented?

    Answer. Most of the recommendations I would make in this area 
pertain to IRS hiring and personnel practices in general, not only 
those confined to IRA funding. Perhaps the only difference between 
``normal'' IRS hiring and IRA-related hiring is a sense of urgency and 
pressure associated with the need to meet the revenue ``score'' 
associated with the IRA resources. This is a grim reminder of the need 
to avoid the temptation to tie personnel decisions to specific 
collection goals. During the 1980s and 1990s, NTU was among many 
organizations that worked with Congress to end the IRS managerial 
culture that was seen as providing rewards and promotions to personnel 
based on their ability to obtain the most money from taxpayers in 
enforcement actions. Congress and the IRS must take every step to 
ensure that this culture never takes root again. NTU would gladly 
provide archival documents about the history of this struggle.

    On a more practical level, Congress could request that GAO conduct 
a survey of available literature and studies on the following:

        (1)  Private firms involved in financial transactions (e.g., 
        loan repayments and overdue credit card payments) on how their 
        employees are trained to respect consumer rights and comply 
        with the law.
        (2)  How the most successful law enforcement and customer 
        service agencies at the State and Federal levels have met their 
        recruiting goals without sacrificing quality.
        (3)  How tax agencies abroad have restructured their workforces 
        to not only be more efficient, but also to foster trust with 
        the taxpaying population.

    Of particular assistance with (3) would be the Center for Taxpayer 
Rights, established by former National Taxpayer Advocate Nina Olson. 
The Center has access to many sources of information on hiring and 
personnel practices that could benefit the IRS and the taxpayers it is 
meant to serve. Another suggestion regarding (2) would be to consult 
with ETAAC member Mark Godfrey, who was part of the Missouri Department 
of Revenue's effort to bring a more taxpayer-centric culture to the 
workforce (including an objective of a 100-percent answer rate for 
taxpayer calls received by the agency).

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                 Prepared Statement of Hon. Ron Wyden, 
                       a U.S. Senator From Oregon
                       
    In recent months, this committee has held three hearings, two with 
Commissioner Werfel and one with Secretary Yellen, in which Republicans 
have attacked the Inflation Reduction Act funding for the IRS.

    The first bill that House Republicans passed in 2023 repealed the 
bulk of that funding. Repeal is a centerpiece of Speaker McCarthy's 
default plan, which would also destroy 780,000 jobs and increase the 
odds of a recession.

    By all outward appearances, repealing this funding is the 
Republicans' top economic priority. That's why the Finance Committee is 
meeting this morning--to break down, point by point, all the harm 
repealing it would do, especially as a part of the overall McCarthy 
plan.

    First, I want to focus on the major setback for criminal law 
enforcement. As a way to frighten typical taxpayers, Republicans have 
fabricated a whole lot of stories about 87,000 armed agents busting 
down the doors at local businesses and people's homes. It's nonsense.

    The truth is, the IRS has a modest but critically important team of 
law enforcement personnel. They work on busting human trafficking 
rings, drug cartels, and enablers of child exploitation. They root out 
individuals and groups financing terrorists. They help crack down on 
criminal tax fraud and evasion, including the kind of evasion the 
Finance Committee identified with our 2-year investigation of how Swiss 
bank Credit Suisse enabled a group of dual U.S. and foreign citizens to 
cheat on paying U.S. taxes.

    At this moment, the IRS Criminal Investigation division is working 
with partners in Ukraine to hunt down crooks who are evading sanctions 
on Russia.

    And recently, the Criminal Investigation division collaborated with 
the FBI, the Department of Justice, and law enforcement partners around 
the world on the largest fentanyl distribution takedown in history. It 
resulted in hundreds of arrests and the seizure of $54 million and 850 
kilograms of drugs, including the equivalent of millions of lethal 
doses of fentanyl.

    Republican cuts reduced the workforce of Criminal Investigation 
special agents by 26 percent. Democrats passed IRA funding to help 
rebuild it, but Republicans now want to repeal that funding. Others say 
the funding ought to be targeted elsewhere. The question is, if you 
want to cut this enforcement spending, which criminal activity do you 
propose letting slide? Drug rings? Money laundering? Sex trafficking 
and child abuse?

    Yesterday, the committee received a letter from the Federal Law 
Enforcement Officers Association opposing the Republican plan. This is 
a group representing tens of thousands of Federal law enforcement 
officers from across dozens of agencies. Without objection, I'll enter 
that letter into the hearing record.

    Second issue: coming off the smoothest tax filing season in many 
years, the McCarthy repeal plan would once again clobber taxpayer 
service and force Americans to spend hours waiting on hold with the 
IRS.

    House Republicans are hiding the ball on this issue. The McCarthy 
plan would leave the temporary IRA funding for taxpayer service in 
place, and Republicans will insist that's proof they're interested in 
maintaining better service.

    Here's what they're not telling the American people: the McCarthy 
plan would also hit the IRS with across-the-board budget cuts just like 
the ones that steadily wrecked taxpayer service before Democrats were 
able to start fixing it last year. Nobody is asking for a return to 10- 
or 15-percent call response rates at the IRS.

    Third, the McCarthy plan to repeal the IRS funding would lead to a 
$120-billion increase in the deficit. How would his plan offset that 
deficit increase? By kicking people off their health insurance, 
increasing child hunger, worsening education, and weakening border 
security, among many other examples.

    With all that said, if you're looking for the big winners of the 
McCarthy IRS defunding plan, it's billionaires and corporations who 
cheat on their taxes. The Inflation Reduction Act funding for the IRS 
was designed to make sure they pay what they owe. Repealing that 
funding is a $191-billion giveaway to wealthy tax cheats.

    The effect of Republican IRS cuts has been clear. From 2010 to 
2017, when Republicans cut the IRS most aggressively, audit rates for 
millionaires went down 77 percent; for large corporations, down 44 
percent; for complex partnerships, down 80 percent. Performing those 
audits takes a lot of hard work by highly skilled staff, and the IRS 
has lost 40 percent of those agents.

    Republican cuts shifted the burden of tax enforcement onto working 
people. Auditing them was easy. An audit of a simple individual 
taxpayer's return takes 5 hours on average. Auditing a higher-income 
tax cheat takes an average of 250 hours. Corporate audits and audits of 
large, complex partnerships can take even longer, sometimes several 
years. And they require large teams with a lot of expertise. Republican 
budget cuts systematically dismantled much of that expertise in the 
previous decade, and the McCarthy plan would decimate it going forward.

    The bottom line is, the McCarthy plan would lead to more tax 
evasion by the rich, worse taxpayer service for law-abiding Americans, 
and fewer prosecutions of drug cartel members, sex criminals, sanctions 
evaders, and money launderers. Obviously, this cannot pass.

    So there's a lot for us to discuss today. I'm looking forward to 
hearing from our witnesses.

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              Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association
                 1101 Connecticut Ave., NW, Suite 1000
                          Washington, DC 20036
                          Phone: 202-293-1550
                             www.fleoa.org

May 15, 2023

Chairman Ron Wyden
Committee on Finance
219 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Ranking Member Mike Crapo
Committee on Finance
Washington, DC 20510

RE: Funding Federal Law Enforcement

Dear Chairman Wyden and Ranking Member Crapo:

The Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association (FLEOA)--the nation's 
largest non-partisan professional association, representing more than 
32,000 active and retired federal law enforcement officers from over 65 
federal agencies--applauds your efforts to prioritize and support 
funding for the Criminal Investigation Division (CI) of the IRS. FLEOA 
opposes any efforts or legislation that cuts funding for law 
enforcement, including H.R. 2811--Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023.

As the 6th largest federal law enforcement agency, CI serves a crucial 
role in supporting national law enforcement priorities and high-impact 
financial investigations. From protecting Americans against stolen 
identity refund fraud (SIRF) and cybercrime to dismantling large scale 
transnational organized crime syndicates, major drug cartels, 
international money laundering schemes, and having sole authority to 
investigate federal tax crimes, CI is an important national law 
enforcement asset.

CI plays a key role in the Department of Justice's efforts to 
investigate and prosecute complex financial crimes and criminal 
activity where money is a motivating factor. This includes priority 
multi-agency task forces focused on thwarting the trafficking of 
fentanyl, narcotics and the fight against global terrorism. Just a few 
weeks ago, CI was the lead investigative agency in the largest 
international fentanyl/opioid seizure in U.S. history. This CI led 
operation took down a massive drug trafficking operation that led to 
the arrest of 288 dangerous criminals and seized an astounding 64kg of 
fentanyl and fentanyl-laced opioids. CI also assists in the 
identification and seizure of sanctioned Russian oligarch assets. CI's 
efforts play a pivotal role in protecting Americans from dangerous 
criminal networks.

CI is so prolific at conducting these high-impact financial 
investigations that they are regularly the largest contributor to the 
Treasury Forfeiture Fund, which is comprised of non-tax criminally 
derived assets seized by Treasury and Homeland Security law enforcement 
agencies. In addition to depriving criminal organizations of their 
illicit proceeds, where possible, funds are returned to victims of 
financial crimes.

Since 2010, CI's staffing has experienced an alarming decline. In 2010 
CI had approximately 4,000 employees of which about 2,760 were special 
agents. At the close of 2022, CI had only 3,000 employees of which 
about 2,075 were special agents. Historically, CI has been second only 
to the FBI in bringing white-collar criminal prosecutions. 
Unsurprisingly, CI's crushing drop in staffing directly correlates to a 
steady decline in white-collar crime prosecutions by DOJ over the same 
12-year period. Any reduction in CI funding will undermine critical 
efforts to attack the distribution of fentanyl and other deadly 
narcotics that are disproportionately impacting America's youth.

We urge you to continue prioritizing the financial investigative 
mission of CI and applaud your recent efforts to hold hearings and 
initiate discussions on the crucial importance of proper CI funding. 
Our membership, which includes CI Special Agents in Charge and Senior 
Executives, welcome the opportunity to work with you on this and other 
important issues related to CI and their ability to protect and serve 
America.

Sincerely,

Larry Cosme
National President
Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association
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                        Center for Fiscal Equity
                      14448 Parkvale Road, Suite 6
                          Rockville, MD 20853
                      [email protected]
                      
                      Statement of Michael Bindner

Chairman Wyden and Ranking Crapo, thank you for the opportunity to 
address this issue.

It seems like we were just talking about this as recently as April 19. 
In our comments, we will address what the increased IRS funding really 
pays for and why it is important and how the Majority could adopt the 
Fair Tax proposal into several consumption taxes (rather than a single 
tax) and actually defund the IRS.

Anyone who has ever made a mistake on their taxes (like omitting a 
child's Social Security number) or has been in arrears and needed a 
payment plan knows what it can be like to reach an actual IRS agent. 
While the agency could certainly leverage its resources by contracting 
out customer service telecommunications, there are some items, like 
payment negotiations, that must be handled with agency personnel.

It is reported that during the pandemic and its recovery period, when 
people had questions on how to start their enhanced Child Tax Credit 
payments--or had actual difficulty filing for them--that it was 
impossible to get an agent on the phone. Both the pandemic and 
underfunding were equally responsible. The additional money for IRS 
fixed this.

Given the number of poor people in the states sending Republicans to 
Congress, it makes no sense to claw this money back. Even donors want 
to get the IRS on the phone, so playing politics with customer service 
makes no sense. Lincoln had something to say about fooling some of the 
people some of the time. Some of these people may even be less informed 
members of the Senate minority or their staffs.

The repeal of Roe v. Wade makes returning to the Pandemic-era Child Tax 
Credit essential. Increased funding is included in the President's 
Budget and will eventually pass (once Special Counsel Smith has 
examined what was known by the House Freedom Caucus and when they knew 
it). The question is, how do we want these funds to be distributed. 
Should the IRS be a direct social services provider? As we have stated 
before. . . .

        . . . to end the ``stink of welfare'' that Senator Manchin so 
        objects to, CTC payments should be included with wages for all 
        employees--not just those with three or more children. They 
        should also be distributed through other federal and state 
        assistance programs--some of which can be reduced to do so.

        For middle-income taxpayers whose increased credits are less 
        than their annual tax obligation, a simple change in 
        withholding tables is adequate. Procedures are already in place 
        to deliver refundable credits to larger families. For the 
        coming year, they merely need to be expanded to all families 
        with children.

        Employers can work with their bankers to increase funds for 
        payroll throughout the year while requiring less money for 
        their quarterly tax payments (or estimated taxes) to the IRS. 
        The main issue is working out those situations where employers 
        owe less than they pay out. This is especially true for labor 
        intensive industries and even more so for low wage employers.

        A higher minimum wage would make negative quarterly tax bills 
        less likely. Indeed, no one should have to subsist mainly on 
        their child tax payments.

As usual, we have attached the latest version of our tax reform plan, 
with a separate attachment on how implementation of this plan would 
affect IRS manpower. The answer is that the change would be drastic. It 
would also allow the Committee to focus more on how social welfare is 
being delivered in general, as well as eliminating current roadblocks 
to promptly filing for Social Security Disability Income.

Let me relate the various provisions to the Fair Tax (and how to modify 
it).

The closest tax to the Fair Tax we propose is the Invoice Value-Added 
Tax. It would fund discretionary government (and, if a constitutional 
amendment allowed uneven excise taxes), this could be done on a 
regional basis. Those regions who want to have a lower rate would fund 
less government. Those who want more projects and military bases would 
pass a higher tax.

This tax would also replace the employer contribution to Social 
Security, but to make revenue accumulation look more like payment 
distribution, this revenue would be credited equally to all workers who 
accumulate the minimum number of credits in a quarter. The employee 
contribution would remain as it is. The check goes to the Department of 
the Treasury in either instance and the Social Security Administration 
will record the proceeds in exactly the same way.

A main objection to the Fair Tax is that it can be gamed by claiming 
everything you buy is wholesale. This is a big hole, a hole that value-
added taxes fix. There is already a value-added tax on the books, 
although it is intergovernmental and inadequate. Businesses who collect 
sales taxes can already deduct them from their business income. This 
puts the national government in the position of subsidizing state and 
local sales taxes. The Fair Tax could include this provision for a 
federal sales tax as well.

The inadequacy comes from the fact that taxes paid are a dedication 
rather than a credit. This can, indeed this must be fixed--whether the 
Fair Tax is enacted or not. Any federal tax paid must be fully credited 
at the federal level, with state taxes paid credited at the state 
level. These tax payments should still be used to adjust income. For 
example, state business income would be reduced by federal Fair Tax or 
VAT while federal income continues to be adjusted in the current 
manner.

The other issue with the Fair Tax is that payments to families would be 
shifted from tax credits to payments from the Treasury (regardless of 
whether Social Security or the IRS distributes them). Payments above 
the ``prebate'' level would be shifted to state social welfare agencies 
through either new income stabilization programs or by putting most 
American families on the Food Stamp rolls.

The amount of these subsidies is uneven. Minor children of disabled or 
retired parents get various benefit levels and the Earned Income Tax 
Credit and Child Tax Credit phase in and out at various income levels. 
A universal child credit added to wages or income support programs 
(including OASDI, Unemployment Insurance and Pell Grants) would unravel 
this mess and allow all but the richest families to avoid filing taxes 
at all (unless they were filing separately as a business owner). For 
workers, these payments would be distributed with wages as an offset to 
a second consumption tax--what we call a subtraction VAT, which is 
essentially a net business receipts tax.

Health-care subsidies would also be added to this tax. Firms who 
provide insurance coverage would be able to credit a portion of their 
premiums as a credit against this tax. The proceeds would fund any 
subsidized public option, which would replace Medicaid for the working 
poor. Medicaid for nursing homes would be funded by the Invoice VAT.

States would also use a subtraction VAT as a vehicle for additional 
income subsidies for high-cost states (or urban areas), as well as 
using the tax to fund other social services (again, with offsets) if 
employers provide these services--such as tuition assistance for 
workers and their families--as well as any other social welfare 
spending (for example, mental health care and housing) that should be 
funded by employers rather than through property or sales taxes.

If the Child Tax Credit is adequate to meet the needs of most families, 
rebates for Fair Taxes and Carbon taxes would not be necessary. Instead 
of limiting Child Tax Credit payments to families based on higher (or 
lower) incomes, a subtraction VAT surtax would be levied on cash 
payments to workers or investors in excess of the Social Security 
Employee Payroll tax cap, with graduated rates for higher incomes. The 
firm would pay these amounts, not the individual employees, with 
individual taxation paid on cash salary, dividend or interest income 
above approximately $400,000 per year--again, with graduated rates of 
between 6.5% to 26% (more or less).

Subtraction VAT would entirely replace Corporate Income Taxation at all 
levels. The surtax for cash payments to higher income investors or 
workers would replace most collections of personal income tax and would 
assure parity between the tax treatments of labor and capital. There 
would also be no industry based tax subsidies, save for the deduction 
of all material costs (possibly including equipment, unless the 
decision is made to maintain depreciation rules).

Capital gains and estate (or death) taxes would be repealed. Stocks 
could be considered a consumer good, with a Fair Tax payment for each 
transaction, or could be levied as an asset value-added tax. For those 
who don't know economics, and for some who do, investment in secondary 
markets does not add to Gross Domestic Product. It is savings--or 
rather--it is gambling. In corporate bankruptcy, stock is worthless.

Like the rest of the tax system, the capital gains and estate taxes are 
a maze of rates depending on income and time the asset is held. A 
single rate would be instituted instead for all short and long term 
investments. Cash payments in inheritance would not be taxed until they 
are spent or reinvested. This allows for closing all the loopholes in 
the system, from life insurance to avoid taxation to borrowing from 
stock to using business losses to reduce taxes on wages and salaries.

Thank you, again, for the opportunity to add our comments to the 
debate. Please contact us if we can be of any assistance or contribute 
direct testimony.

  Attachment One--Tax Reform, Center for Fiscal Equity, March 24, 2023

Synergy: The President's Budget for 2024 proposes a 25% minimum tax on 
high incomes. Because most high income households make their money on 
capital gains, rather than salaries, an asset value-added tax replacing 
capital gains taxes (both long- and short-term) would be set to that 
rate. The top rate for a subtraction VAT surtax on high incomes (wages, 
dividends and interest paid) would be set to 25%, as would the top rate 
for income surtaxes paid by very high-income earners. Surtaxes 
collected by businesses would begin for any individual payee receiving 
$75,000 from any source at a 6.25% rate and top out at 25% at all such 
income over $375,000. At $450,000, individuals would pay an additional 
6.25% on the next $75,000 with brackets increasing until a top rate of 
25% on income over $750,000. This structure assures that no one games 
the system by changing how income is earned to lower their tax burden.

Individual payroll taxes. A floor of $20,000 would be instituted for 
paying these taxes, with a ceiling of $75,000. This lower ceiling 
reduces the amount of benefits received in retirement for higher-income 
individuals. The logic of the $20,000 floor reflects full time work at 
a $10 per hour minimum wage offered by the Republican caucus in 
response to proposals for a $15 wage. The majority needs to take the 
deal. Doing so in relation to a floor on contributions makes adopting 
the minimum wage germane in the Senate for purposes of Reconciliation. 
The rate would be set at 6.25%.

Employer payroll taxes. Unless taxes are diverted to a personal 
retirement account holding voting and preferred stock in the employer, 
the employer levy would be replaced by a goods and receipts tax of 
6.25%. Every worker who meets a minimum hour threshold would be 
credited for having paid into the system, regardless of wage level. All 
employees would be credited on an equal dollar basis, rather than as a 
match to their individual payroll tax. The tax rate would be adjusted 
to assure adequacy of benefits for all program beneficiaries.

High-income Surtaxes. As above, taxes would be collected on all 
individual income taxes from salaries, income and dividends, which 
exclude business taxes filed separately, starting at $400,00 per year. 
This tax will fund net interest on the debt (which will no longer be 
rolled over into new borrowing), redemption of the Social Security 
Trust Fund, strategic, sea and non-continental U.S. military 
deployments, veterans' health benefits as the result of battlefield 
injuries, including mental health and addiction and eventual debt 
reduction.

Asset Value-Added Tax (A-VAT). A replacement for capital gains taxes 
and the estate tax. It will apply to asset sales, exercised options, 
inherited and gifted assets and the profits from short sales. Tax 
payments for option exercises, IPOs, inherited, gifted and donated 
assets will be marked to market, with prior tax payments for that asset 
eliminated so that the seller gets no benefit from them. In this 
perspective, it is the owner's increase in value that is taxed. As with 
any sale of liquid or real assets, sales to a qualified broad-based 
Employee Stock Ownership Plan will be tax-free. These taxes will fund 
the same spending items as high-income and subtraction VAT surtaxes. 
There will be no requirement to hold assets for a year to use this 
rate. This also implies that this tax will be levied on all eligible 
transactions.

The 3.8% ACA-SM tax will be repealed as a separate tax, with health-
care funding coming through a subtraction value-added tax levied on all 
employment and other gross profit. The 25% rate is meant to be a 
permanent compromise, as above. Any changes to this rate would be used 
to adjust subtraction VAT surtax and high-
income surtax rates accordingly. This rate would be negotiated on a 
world-wide basis to prevent venue seeking for stock trading.

Subtraction Value-Added Tax (S-VAT). Corporate income taxes and 
collection of business and farm income taxes will be replaced by this 
tax, which is an employer paid Net Business Receipts Tax. S-VAT is a 
vehicle for tax benefits, including

      Health insurance or direct care, including veterans' health care 
for non-
battlefield injuries and long-term care.
      Employer paid educational costs in lieu of taxes are provided as 
either 
employee-directed contributions to the public or private unionized 
school of their choice or direct tuition payments for employee children 
or for workers (including ESL and remedial skills). Wages will be paid 
to students to meet opportunity costs.
      Most importantly, a refundable Child Tax Credit at median income 
levels (with inflation adjustments) distributed with pay.

Subsistence-level benefits force the poor into servile labor. Wages and 
benefits must be high enough to provide justice and human dignity. This 
allows the ending of state administered subsidy programs and 
discourages abortions, and as such enactment must be scored as a must 
pass in voting rankings by pro-life organizations (and feminist 
organizations as well). To assure child subsidies are distributed, S-
VAT will not be border-adjustable.

As above, S-VAT surtaxes are collected on all income distributed over 
$75,000, with a beginning rate of 6.25%. replace income tax levies 
collected on the first surtaxes in the same range. Some will use 
corporations to avoid these taxes, but that corporation would then pay 
all invoice and subtraction VAT payments (which would distribute tax 
benefits). Distributions from such corporations will be considered 
salary, not dividends.

Invoice Value-Added Tax (I-VAT). Border-adjustable taxes will appear on 
purchase invoices. The rate varies according to what is being financed. 
If Medicare for All does not contain offsets for employers who fund 
their own medical personnel or for personal retirement accounts, both 
of which would otherwise be funded by an S-VAT, then they would be 
funded by the I-VAT to take advantage of border adjustability.

I-VAT forces everyone, from the working poor to the beneficiaries of 
inherited wealth, to pay taxes and share in the cost of government. As 
part of enactment, gross wages will be reduced to take into account the 
shift to S-VAT and I-VAT, however net income will be increased by the 
same percentage as the I-VAT. Inherited assets will be taxed under A-
VAT when sold. Any inherited cash, or funds borrowed against the value 
of shares, will face the I-VAT when sold or the A-VAT if invested.

I-VAT will fund domestic discretionary spending, equal dollar employer 
OASI contributions, and non-nuclear, non-deployed military spending, 
possibly on a regional basis. Regional I-VAT would both require a 
constitutional amendment to change the requirement that all excises be 
national and to discourage unnecessary spending, especially when 
allocated for electoral reasons rather than program needs. The latter 
could also be funded by the asset VAT (decreasing the rate by from 
19.25% to 13%).

Carbon Added Tax (C-AT). A Carbon tax with receipt visibility, which 
allows comparison shopping based on carbon content, even if it means a 
more expensive item with lower carbon is purchased. C-AT would also 
replace fuel taxes. It will fund transportation costs, including mass 
transit, and research into alternative fuels. This tax would not be 
border adjustable unless it is in other nations, however in this case 
the imposition of this tax at the border will be noted, with the U.S. 
tax applied to the overseas base.

 Attachment Two--Tax Administration, Treasury Budget, February 12, 2020

Shifting to a single system for all business taxation, particularly 
enacting invoice value-added taxes to collect revenue and employer-
based subtraction value-added taxes to distribute benefits to workers 
will end the need for filing for most, if not all, households. Any 
remaining high-salary surtax would be free of any deductions and 
credits and could as easily be collected by enacting higher tiers to a 
subtraction VAT.

Subtraction VAT collection will closely duplicate the collection of 
payroll and income taxes--as well as employment taxes--but without 
households having to file an annual reconciliation except to verify the 
number of dependents receiving benefits.

Tax reform will simplify tax administration on all levels. Firms will 
submit electronic receipts for I-VAT and Carbon Added Tax (C-AT) 
credit, leaving a compliance trail. S-VAT payments to providers, wages 
and child credits to verify that what is paid and what is claimed match 
and that children are not double credited from separate employers.

A-VAT transactions are recorded by brokers, employers for option 
exercise and closing agents for real property. With ADP, reporting 
burdens are equal to those in any VAT system for I-VAT and A-VAT and 
current payroll and income tax reporting by employers.

Employees with children will annually verify information provided by 
employers and IRS, responding by a postcard if reports do not match, 
triggering collection actions. The cliche will thus be made real.

High-salary employees who use corporations to reduce salary surtax and 
pay I-VAT and S-VAT for personal staff. Distributions from such 
corporations to owners are considered salary, not dividends.

Transaction based A-VAT payments end the complexity and tax avoidance 
experienced with income tax collection. Tax units with income under 
$84,000 or only one employer need not file high salary surtax returns. 
Separate gift and inheritance tax returns will no longer be required.

State governments will collect federal and state I-VAT, C-AT, S-VAT 
payments, audit collection systems, real property A-VAT and conduct 
enforcement actions. IRS collects individual payroll and salary surtax 
payments, performs electronic data matching and receive payments and 
ADP data from states. SEC collects A-VAT receipts.

I-VAT gives all citizens the responsibility to fund the government. C-
AT invoices encourage lower carbon consumption, mass transit, research 
and infrastructure development. A-VAT taxation will slow market 
volatility and encourage employee ownership, while preserving family 
businesses and farms. Very little IRS Administration will be required 
once reform is fully implemented. All IRS employees could fit in a 
bathtub with room for Grover Norquist.


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