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                 REAUTHORIZATION OF THE NATIONAL FLOOD 
                   INSURANCE PROGRAM: LOCAL PERSPECTIVES
                   ON CHALLENGES AND SOLUTIONS

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                                HEARING

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                   BANKING,HOUSING,AND URBAN AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

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           EXAMINING THE REAUTHORIZATION OF THE NATIONAL FLOOD 
                           INSURANCE PROGRAM

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                            JANUARY 25, 2024
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            COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS

                       SHERROD BROWN, Ohio, Chair

JACK REED, Rhode Island              TIM SCOTT, South Carolina
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey          MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
JON TESTER, Montana                  MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
MARK R. WARNER, Virginia             THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts      JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland           BILL HAGERTY, Tennessee
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada       CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming
TINA SMITH, Minnesota                J.D. VANCE, Ohio
RAPHAEL G. WARNOCK, Georgia          KATIE BOYD BRITT, Alabama
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania         KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
LAPHONZA R. BUTLER, California       STEVE DAINES, Montana

                     Laura Swanson, Staff Director
               Lila Nieves-Lee, Republican Staff Director

                       Elisha Tuku, Chief Counsel

                  Amber Beck, Republican Chief Counsel

                      Cameron Ricker, Chief Clerk
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Opening statement of Chair Brown.................................     1
        Prepared statement.......................................    27

Opening statements, comments, or prepared statements of:
    Senator Scott................................................     3
        Prepared statement.......................................    28

                               WITNESSES

Michael Hecht, President and CEO, Greater New Orleans, Inc.......     6
    Prepared statement...........................................    29
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Warnock..........................................    61
Daniel Kaniewski, Managing Director, Public Sector, Marsh 
  McLennan.......................................................     7
    Prepared statement...........................................    38
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Warnock..........................................    64
Steve Patterson, Mayor, City of Athens, Ohio.....................     9
    Prepared statement...........................................    55
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Warnock..........................................    66

              Additional Material Supplied for the Record

Statement submitted by NAMIC.....................................    68
Statement submitted by ICBA......................................    74
Letter submitted by NAR..........................................    76
Letter submitted by ACU..........................................    78
Letter submitted by the Nooksack Indian Tribe....................    80
Statement submitted by PIA.......................................    84
Statement submitted by NRDC......................................    93
Statement submitted by RAA.......................................    99


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    REAUTHORIZATION OF THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM: LOCAL 
                PERSPECTIVES ON CHALLENGES AND SOLUTIONS

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                       THURSDAY, JANUARY 25, 2024

                                       U.S. Senate,
          Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met at 10 a.m., in room 538, Dirksen Senate 
Office Building, Hon. Sherrod Brown, Chair of the Committee, 
presiding.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIR SHERROD BROWN

    Chair Brown. Good morning. The Senate Banking, Housing, and 
Urban Affairs Committee will come to order. I thank the 
witnesses for joining us. Senator Cassidy will join us in a 
moment.
    This hearing is a continuation of our efforts to enact a 
long-term reauthorization of the National Flood Insurance 
Program, NFIP. The program has been extended 28 times since 
September of 2017. The latest extension will expire on March 
8th of this year. We will discuss local leaders' perspectives 
on the NFIP and the challenges and potential solutions to the 
risks that flooding poses to communities across the country.
    Local leaders are on the front lines of so many issues: 
transportation, housing, the growing challenge of flooding. 
Each of these is a priority for this Committee. As these 
leaders know all too well, flooding is the most common and 
costly natural disaster facing the country. It is devastating 
to families, businesses, and communities in every State. That 
is one good reason that Mayor Patterson is with us from my 
State.
    The risk is increasing. Outdated flood maps, population 
growth in at-risk areas, land-use patterns, and over-stretched 
infrastructure all play a role. And whether people want to 
admit it or not, climate change is only making it worse. It is 
making extreme weather events more frequent and less 
predictable, and probably more extreme, all across the country.
    Just this month streams overflowed in our colleague, 
Senator Reed's, home State of Rhode Island; torrential rains 
poured through homes in San Diego neighborhoods represented by 
Senator Butler on this Committee; and flash floods have been 
threatening communities across Louisiana, which is well 
represented by two colleagues today in the room. And that is 
just this month.
    Flooding is not confined to communities on the coasts, or 
even on major bodies of water. As we saw in 2022, the same 
mountains and streams that make our Appalachian towns in Ohio 
and elsewhere beautiful also make family homes and local 
economies vulnerable to flooding in an era of more extreme 
rainfall. Often the only available land for development in 
Appalachia is in or near floodplains.
    And disasters often fall hardest on the families and the 
communities that have fewer resources to prepare and respond to 
them, often because of where they live. Smaller, rural 
communities often do not have easy access to resources to 
respond to the immediate effects of disasters, nor do they have 
access to the resources they need for long-term recovery and to 
prevent disasters in the first place.
    We need to ensure our families and communities can adapt 
and become more resilient both to the flooding we face and to 
the increases we know are coming in the next several decades. 
And whenever possible, we want to help communities avoid 
extreme flooding altogether, through pre-disaster flood 
mitigation, doing it better than we have.
    The NFIP is critical to that effort. Unlike a private 
insurance company, the NFIP does not just provide insurance. 
Its job is to prevent and minimize flood damage in the first 
place, not just help with very expensive recovery.
    The NFIP combats the overall threat of flooding through 
four related components: flood insurance, currently covering 
nearly 4.7 million homes and businesses, floodplain management, 
floodplain mapping and mitigation. We must reauthorize and 
strengthen the NFIP, and invest in mitigation and floodplain 
management obviously before disasters happen in communities.
    In recent hearings, we heard from a wide range of 
stakeholders who discussed the need for a long-term 
reauthorization to help communities and stakeholders plan; the 
importance of helping communities and property owners 
understand their risk, by both improving mapping and other risk 
communications, and through disclosure of flood hazards to 
prospective owners and tenants; and third, the importance of 
building State and local capacity to carry out our floodplain 
management and mitigation programs, especially for small and 
rural communities.
    We also heard FEMA's recommendations for strengthening the 
program, including forgiving the overhang of debt from previous 
disasters and providing means-tested assistance to help more 
families afford insurance.
    I am interested in hearing today's witnesses' 
recommendations on how we can help strengthen the NFIP so that 
it can help local communities meet these needs. I am pleased to 
welcome Mayor Steve Patterson of the City of Athens, Ohio, in 
southeast Ohio, here today to discuss some of the unique 
challenges faced by cities and towns in Appalachia.
    NFIP is a complex program, with multiple goals and 
implications for many of the things people care about most--
their homes and their communities, often their small 
businesses. I believe it is possible for us to come together to 
reauthorize and improve this program. Today's hearing will help 
inform this effort.
    And this Committee, while sometimes partisan, often Senator 
Scott and I can work together on major pieces of legislation, 
as we have from fentanyl to holding banks accountable, to 
banking medicinal marijuana money, and the like. This 
Committee, particularly on flood insurance, is more regional an 
outlook, perhaps, than partisan, and that should help us 
someday, sooner rather than later I hope, come to some 
agreement on NFIP.
    Ranking Member Scott.

             OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR TIM SCOTT

    Senator Scott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before we get 
started, I would like to take the time to welcome a Charleston 
native, Mr. Kaniewski, as a witness today. I cannot think of a 
more helpful perspective in dissecting these issues that are 
really local in perspective. Although you now live in 
Minnesota--I have never met someone who left Charleston 
actually--full time. Please come home soon, we really need you 
back. We need all the smart-thinking individuals back in 
Charleston, South Carolina. But we thank you for being here 
today.
    The National Flood Insurance Program comes into play when 
we start thinking about how to mitigate the risks that are so 
impactful and negative to communities across the country. As we 
consider potential reforms to the NFIP, we must keep in mind 
local perspectives and not just those of Washington 
bureaucrats. Because we all know that the most effective 
policymaking typically happens closer to the problem, not 
farther away from that problem. So our Federal programs should 
foster local, innovative solutions, not regulatory red tape.
    You all have heard me say this before, that as a lifelong 
Charlestonian and South Carolina resident, as well as an 
insurance professional for more than 20 years, having sold 
flood insurance policies, it is really important for us to 
understand and appreciate the devastation caused by flooding. 
There is no doubt that if you are a Charlestonian and if you 
were around in 1989, Hurricane Hugo devastated our community in 
ways that very few natural disasters have before and frankly, 
since. The storm surge was so bad and so high that it literally 
left boats in the middle of downtown in the streets of 
Charleston.
    More recently, Hurricanes Matthew, as well as Florence 
devastated towns throughout my State, and left some towns 
submerged. As a matter of fact, the town of Nichols, South 
Carolina, a very small town, was hit by both storms so bad that 
more than half of the houses in that small community found 
themselves underwater.
    And the devastation of trying to rebuild 24 months later--
again--was undeniably and frankly impossible. But the good news 
is when you are surrounded by your friends and your family, the 
impossible becomes possible. And they worked really hard to 
start the process of rebuilding very quickly, and frankly, very 
successfully.
    This type of repeated flooding makes recovery harder, and 
naturally, can even cause some residents to lose hope--and 
certainly a part of the town--residents that they left.
    It is one of the reasons why I have re-introduced my 
Repeatedly Flooded Communities Preparation Act, which would 
help communities suffering from frequent flooding plan for the 
next storm, and hopefully, lower the risk. It is my hope that 
by encouraging flood-prone areas to reduce the impact of future 
storms, residents will be able to focus on long-term recovery, 
long after the storm surge recedes.
    And recovery does not simply mean rebuilding. It also 
includes uplifting our communities. It includes making sure 
that families and neighbors learn to work together, that the 
synergy in the aftermath of a disaster is where community, and 
the glue of community, really manifests and reveals itself.
    South Carolinians who have lived through repeated flooding 
know this, and my home State has taken action to prevent this 
outcome. South Carolina's recent dedication of resources and 
strategic mitigation efforts are second to none.
    In 2023, the State's budget included significant funding 
for mitigation efforts that would reduce flood damage from 
future storms. Backing up that investment, the South Carolina 
Office of Resilience released a nationally praised ``Statewide 
Risk Reduction Plan'', identifying the communities most 
vulnerable to floods and targeting mitigation resources to 
protect those residents.
    These are local solutions to local challenges, and they 
will make a huge difference in the lives of South Carolinians.
    And while I recognize that what works in South Carolina may 
not work in places like Senator Cassidy's Louisiana or Chairman 
Brown's Ohio, I am confident that similar, locally based 
solutions and approaches could make a huge difference, not only 
in those communities, but to the National Flood Insurance 
Program itself.
    To support these levels, we must have substantial reform to 
the NFIP. The status quo is not an option. The program is 
financially insolvent, with over $20 billion--$20 billion--in 
debt. Instead of educating communities and homeowners on the 
risks they face, the program's outdated flood maps and lack of 
transparent data often obscures the risks. Without a well-
functioning and financially solvent insurance system, the NFIP 
will fail to provide cities and towns with the tools they need 
to be resilient. And, if the NFIP is unable to provide local 
communities with improved mapping and mitigation resources, the 
financial health of the insurance program will continue to 
deteriorate.
    When I say that, especially with my legislation I have 
reintroduced, we have to recognize that the NFIP pays out 30 
percent of its resources to about 1 percent of the properties 
that consistently and repeatedly are flood victims again, and 
again, and again. So 1 percent of the exposure absorbs 30 
percent of the resources, and that is an opportunity for us to 
look to the local communities to create strategies to perhaps 
not rebuild there, and that will take a local engagement to 
mitigate that risk for the Nation, for the program, and frankly 
for the communities where they happen.
    Comprehensive reform of the program is essential.
    One final and important point before I close. Congress 
cannot allow the NFIP to lapse. Most often we talk about States 
like Florida, or South Carolina, or Louisiana, where they pay a 
disproportionate share of the premiums that go into the NFIP. 
The truth is that whether you are in Ohio, or California, 
whether you are in the New Jersey, New York area, where 
Hurricane Sandy--$8.8 billion--Hurricane Harvey--$9 billion--
the number of flood insurance policies in place? Essentially 
nonexistent.
    So not only do we need to have a comprehensive reform of 
the program itself, we need to have a better education that 
floods do not simply happen when you live near the water. 
Floods today happen throughout the country.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Scott.
    Senator Cassidy, welcome. Senator Cassidy is not a Member 
of this Committee, but he and Senator Kennedy and Senator 
Menendez, especially, have been kind of leaning on this, and 
are particularly interested. Senator Cassidy will introduce his 
friend from Louisiana.
    Senator Cassidy. Thank you, Chairman Brown and Ranking 
Member Scott, and I just appreciate you all having this hearing 
and allowing me to introduce, which I think is not a little bit 
out of the ordinary, and I want to appreciate your staff. My 
staff says your staff has been fantastic to work with, and we 
thank you for that.
    Chair Brown. Thank you.
    Senator Cassidy. Today I have the privilege of introducing 
Greater New Orleans, or as we call it, GNO, Inc., President and 
CEO, Michael Hecht. Michael moved to New Orleans after 
Hurricane Katrina with the goal of helping the city rebuild. 
Previously, after 9/11, he had worked in New York in the 
Mayor's Office, running their Small Business Recovery Program. 
So when Katrina hit Louisiana, devastating tens of thousands of 
people and businesses, Mr. Hecht took action by running a 
similar, quarter-of-a-billion-dollar Katrina Small Business 
Recovery Program for the State government. He helps when 
communities have been struck.
    Now there are many lingering effects of Hurricane Katrina, 
which he is going to speak of, but one of the most obvious is 
the method to assess flood risk. And if I may add, NFIP's new 
risk assessment policy, called Risk Rating 2.0, has made flood 
insurance simply impossible to afford, and in some cases 
policies rising over 1,000 percent, in some cases, flood 
insurance premiums being higher than a person's mortgage.
    At this point we know that we are in an actuarial death 
spiral, where people will be dropping insurance because they 
can no longer afford, therefore, a smaller number of people for 
whom to put on the risk, therefore, more expensive premiums, 
and therefore, more people drop. Mr. Hecht will address this 
and the impact it is having upon families and businesses.
    And then, last, I thank you for having this hearing because 
of the solution that Senator Menendez and I and others have 
proposed, for which we would love your input, which we think 
could address this.
    So I look forward to hearing this testimony and the 
testimony of others. Once more, I thank you very much for 
having the hearing.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Cassidy. I cannot improve 
on the introduction offered by our friend from Louisiana. Mr. 
Hecht, welcome.
    Daniel Kaniewski is the Managing Director for Marsh 
McLennan, which he joined after serving as Deputy Administrator 
for Resilience and Acting Deputy Administrator for FEMA during 
the Trump administration. Dr. Kaniewski, welcome.
    Steve Patterson is the Mayor of Athens, Ohio, the largest 
city in Appalachia. He currently serves as the Second Vice 
President of the National League of Cities, President of the 
Mayors Partnership for Progress in Appalachian Ohio. I meet 
with him and other mayors frequently.
    First elected in 2015, after two terms on the City Council, 
Mayor Patterson is a former associate professor of psychology 
at Ohio University, former Air Force pilot, serving as a major 
from the District of Columbia Air National Guard, 1113th 
Fighter Wing, and a graduate of College in North Dakota.
    Mr. Hecht, if you would begin.

  STATEMENT OF MICHAEL HECHT, PRESIDENT AND CEO, GREATER NEW 
                         ORLEANS, INC.

    Mr. Hecht. Great. Thank you so much, Committee Chairman 
Brown and Ranking Member Scott and the Members of the 
Committee, and Senator Cassidy, I want to thank him for his 
leadership on this issue, and so many others.
    My name is Michael Hecht. I am President and CEO of Greater 
New Orleans, Inc., and for the past decade we have led the 
Coalition for Sustainable Flood Insurance, which is a national 
alliance of approximately 250 organizations across 35 States. 
And today I am going to discuss the need to reauthorize NFIP, 
given its benefits to the country, the need to reform the 
program that has been discussed, and particularly given FEMA's 
administration of Risk Rating 2.0, its associated impacts.
    I want to be clear that, first and foremost, the Coalition 
for Sustainable Flood Insurance absolutely supports a long-
term, multiyear reauthorization of NFIP to ensure program 
stability and to minimize the negative impact across the 
American economy. As Senator Scott mentioned, and as you said, 
Chairman, a lapse is something that we cannot allow to happen. 
This is destabilizing to the national housing market. We know, 
for example, that during a June 2010 lapse, that about 1,400 
home sale closings were canceled or delayed each day. And 
furthermore, the benefit that NFIP provides to our Nation is 
great and significant, and its five million policyholders.
    And I think two points I need to make here is that, one, 
they are often mischaracterized as being wealthy homeowners who 
are subsidizing their beachfront homes. This is just 
empirically, statistically not the case. In fact, a study that 
we ran found that 98.5 percent of all NFIP policies are in 
counties with a median household below $100,000, and 62 percent 
of all policies are in counties with a median household income 
below the national average of $54,000. The reality is that the 
NFIP program is about allowing the working coast and riverine 
parts of America to keep working.
    And moreover, and I think this is a very important point, 
we talk about the debt of the program and the cost of the 
program, which is estimated to be $36 billion over the past 50 
years, but on the other side of that, per FEMA's own analysis, 
the standards, the floodplain standards that have been 
implemented because of NFIP have saved the country $120 billion 
of losses over that period. So that is a net benefit for the 
American people of about $85 billion.
    In terms of Risk Rating 2.0, there are some dramatic 
impacts that I would like to talk about. On average, under Risk 
Rating 2.0 an NFIP policy will be $1,808, which is a 104 
percent increase over legacy rates, and rates will increase by 
over 50 percent in 41 States. To the point that has been made 
by the Senator about the death spiral, this is a major concern 
about the affordability. Participation peaked at NFIP at about 
5.7 million in 2009. On the day before Risk Rating in October 
2021, there were 4.9 million policies. Since then, NFIP has 
lost over 215,000 policyholders, and ultimately FEMA, through 
their own projections, projects losses of 900,000, 20 percent 
because of Risk Rating 2.0. This is not going to be good for 
the program or America.
    And there are also regional impacts. Our region, for 
example, Greater New Orleans, is essential for the national 
economy, and even global food and energy security. NFIP and 
Risk Rating does not take this into account.
    For example, 50 percent of all U.S. grain exports go 
through the Port of South Louisiana, which is in our region. 
The average increase under Risk Rating 2.0 is going to be 239 
percent in that region. If our workers cannot live there this 
is going to have impacts on our ability to supply America and 
the world with food.
    And finally, in conclusion, we do believe that NFIP should 
absolutely be reauthorized but also reformed. Congress did not 
cause the Risk Rating 2.0 problems but has the ability to 
impact them and to make them better.
    So some of our priorities, many of which are reflected in 
the National Flood Insurance Program Reauthorization and Reform 
Act of 2023 include requiring a peer review of Risk Rating 2.0 
methodology and a thorough and holistic analysis of economic 
impacts; mandating FEMA's transparency through the release of a 
usable, public-facing, risk calculator, and also a rating 
appeals process. We need to lower annual premiums from 18 to 9 
percent cap. We need to enact a means-tested assistance 
program, ideally looking at housing burden, which is a little 
bit more subtle than even just looking at percentage of AMI. 
And finally, the debt and interest payments should be frozen 
and redirected into mitigation because ultimately mitigation is 
how, as a Nation, we are going to work our way out of this 
challenge.
    These policies, which will resolve affordability, 
transparency, and accuracy concerns would serve to stabilize 
participation, sustain the program, and support communities 
across the country.
    Again, thank you for the opportunity to speak today, and 
thank you for your service, and I look forward to taking your 
questions.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Mr. Hecht. Mr. Kaniewski.

   STATEMENT OF DANIEL KANIEWSKI, MANAGING DIRECTOR, PUBLIC 
                     SECTOR, MARSH McLENNAN

    Mr. Kaniewski. Chairman Brown, Ranking Member Scott, my 
name is Daniel Kaniewski, and I focus on public sector 
challenges and solutions at Marsh McLennan, the world's leading 
professional services firm in the area of risk, strategy, and 
people. We are a U.S. company with more than 85,000 colleagues 
worldwide, advising public and private sector clients in 130 
countries. With more than 150 years of experience, we help 
individuals, businesses, communities, and Governments address 
the financial impacts of disasters through insurance and other 
risk management tools.
    Before coming to Marsh McLennan, I was the second-ranking 
official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA, 
where, as the agency's first Deputy Administrator for 
Resilience I served alongside some great leaders of this 
Nation. As you can imagine, much of my work is focused on flood 
risk. I welcome the opportunity to speak to you today about 
that.
    Now as was said, flooding is the most common and most 
costly natural hazard, and yet communities often fail to 
protect themselves from the physical and financial impacts. 
Federal policies and programs, including the NFIP, are 
essential, but ultimately all disasters are local and so too 
are resilience investment decisions.
    To increase the resilience of communities against the 
pervasive risk of flooding, we believe that risk transfer--that 
includes the NFIP, private flood insurance, reinsurance, and 
parametric insurance--should be paired with risk reduction, 
hazard mitigation, and strong building codes.
    Now there are several ways to improve flood resilience, and 
for the NFIP, as we describe more fully in our written 
statement, those include strengthening the NFIP with a sound 
financial framework, protecting the NFIP with reinsurance 
solutions, growing the private flood insurance market, 
addressing gaps in NFIP coverage, embracing parametric 
insurance, promoting excess flood coverage to complement the 
NFIP, and leveraging existing NFIP incentive programs.
    On that final point I wish to elaborate.
    One existing NFIP incentive program is the Community Rating 
System. CRS is a voluntary incentive program that recognizes 
and encourages floodplain management practices that exceed 
NFIP's minimum requirements. It is an example of a Federal 
program that incentivizes community action on risk reduction 
and risk transfer.
    Tulsa, Oklahoma, is one of two communities nationwide that 
have achieved the CRS program's highest program rating. I 
recently spoke to the Oklahoma Floodplain Managers Association 
annual conference in Tulsa, and I saw firsthand how the city 
had transformed its approach to flooding. The conference host, 
Annie Mack Vest, helped Tulsa achieve its noteworthy status and 
NFIP policyholders there now enjoy a 45 percent discount off 
their flood premiums. Apparently I was not the only one to 
notice Annie's accomplishments. Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt 
recently appointed Annie to serve as the State's top emergency 
management official.
    In addition to FEMA grant programs, though, that 
incentivize these resilience investments, States have been 
launching their own innovative programs. Said by Russ 
Strickland--he is the Secretary of the Maryland Department of 
Emergency Management and recently elected to be the President 
of the National Emergency Management Association--his quote is, 
``Hazard mitigation is the center of the universe.''
    To that end, South Carolina recently announced $200 million 
for flood resilience projects, while Florida, South Carolina, 
Alabama, and Louisiana, and others have programs aimed at 
incentivizing homeowners to strengthen their homes against 
hurricane risk. A recent academic study reviewing the Alabama 
program found that participating homeowners found their 
insurance premiums reduced and their home values increased, 
confirming our view that resilience pays.
    Beyond Government programs, the property and casualty 
insurance and reinsurance industries are developing innovative 
programs to protect communities and homeowners against floods. 
Community-based catastrophe insurance, or CBCI, is a parametric 
product pioneered by Marsh McLennan. It provides disaster 
insurance to local government entities that wish to cover a 
group of properties. The program enhances financial resilience 
by simultaneously providing affordable coverage and creating 
incentives for risk reduction. Our recent CBCI pilot in New 
York City was developed in partnership with the city of New 
York and several nonprofit and insurance industry partners and 
funded by the National Science Foundation. It provides a level 
of financial protection for low- to moderate-income households 
that previously lacked insurance.
    More broadly, other industries such as the financial and 
real estate industries, can incentivize flood resilience 
investments together with the insurance industry and all levels 
of Government. The National Institute of Building Sciences 
recently issued a roadmap for resilience incentives 
specifically highlighting how residential structures prone to 
flooding would benefit from these incentives. The report 
identified co-beneficiaries of mitigation investments and 
highlighted how these co-beneficiary industries can
together help pay for these investments.
    Thank you for your time today and the opportunity to share 
how Federal, State, and local programs, together with 
innovations from industry, can help close America's flood 
resilience gap. I look forward to your questions.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Dr. Kaniewski.
    Mayor Patterson, welcome.

         STATEMENT OF STEVE PATTERSON, MAYOR, CITY OF 
                          ATHENS, OHIO

    Mr. Patterson. Thank you. Good morning, Chairman Brown, 
Ranking Member Scott, as well as the esteemed Members of this 
Committee. I appreciate the invitation to speak to you on 
behalf of the National Flood Insurance Program. I am Steve 
Patterson, the Mayor of the great City of Athens, Ohio, home to 
Ohio University. I am also the Second Vice President for the 
National League of Cities, representing 19,000 communities, 
cities, villages, and towns across the United States, and the 
President of the Mayors' Partnership for Progress, which 
represents 19 Appalachian counties and 120 communities and 
800,000 citizens across southeast Ohio.
    Cities, towns, and villages are experiencing a higher 
frequency of intensity of extreme weather events, including 
hurricanes, floods, wildfires, and heatwaves. These severe and 
unpredictable weather conditions are leading to large-scale 
disasters that can overwhelm existing infrastructure as well as 
emergency response capabilities.
    As we discuss the flood insurance, the recent devastation 
that we are seeing in San Diego highlights the reoccurrence of 
impacts of flooding on our cities and residents. My thoughts go 
out to Mayor Gloria and the San Diego residents during these 
tough times.
    Ohio University, like many cities, has also experienced 
floods, most notably the 1968 flood, at which we crested at 
more than 24 feet, 20-foot flood stage, which created a large 
problem for the City of Athens. Since then we have been working 
with the Corps of Engineers to mitigate a lot of those flood 
events that we see in our city.
    While Athens strives to reduce flood risk, concern persists 
about the potential for significant events like San Diego's. 
That is why NFIP is critical to offset these potential losses 
from such disasters and to protect our communities. NFIP 
ensures rapid access to funds for repair and restoration, 
minimizing the economic strains that affect our families and 
contribute to our communities' resilience. Recognizing the 
critical need for long-term reauthorization of the NFIP, NLC 
has endorsed the National Flood Insurance Program 
Reauthorization and Reform Act.
    Beyond individual homeowners, NFIP impact extends to 
economic stability at the community level. The program's 
commitment to prompt financial assistance prevents prolonged--
and I mean prolonged--economic impacts, and financial 
assistance prevents these downturns, resulting in extensive 
property damage.
    This stability benefits not only homeowners but also the 
ripple effects on our local business economies, our schools, 
public services, supporting the overall well-being and vitality 
of our communities. NFIP further empowers comprehensive 
floodplain management, catalyzing local governments to 
establish long-term floodplain management strategies. This 
includes detailed maps, risk assessment, and mitigation plans. 
Through NFIP, municipalities gain access to resources and 
expertise, enabling proactive measures such as robust zoning 
regulations, integrated flood risk considerations into land-use 
planning, and critical infrastructure improvements.
    Cities such as Athens are implementing strategies like 
green infrastructure, resilient housing, community-based 
disaster preparedness, smart technologies, inclusive plannings, 
stakeholder collaborations, social infrastructure investment, 
and adoptive transportation. These efforts underscore cities' 
commitments and to thrive and adapt in a changing world.
    While State, Federal, and local investments from 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act aims to minimize losses 
caused by extreme climate events, the allocation funds still 
fall significantly below the escalating demand to combat the 
increasing risks of extreme weather events. Local governments 
continue to need additional funding and resources to enhance 
our collaborative efforts to bolster resilience, protect 
communities, and ensure the long-term sustainability of our 
infrastructure.
    NFIP continues to provide flood insurance for property 
owners due to challenges in the private flood insurance 
covering in the many at-risk areas--concerns about cherry-
picking by private insurers, leaving vulnerable communities for 
NFIP, raising equity issues and threatening the sustainability. 
NFIP's capacity to address challenges from catastrophic floods 
positions it as a vital player--and I mean a vital player--in 
providing financial protection to at-risk communities, a role 
elusive with the private sector.
    NLC's members are also concerned about the sluggish pace of 
the finding that is being disbursed in the Community 
Development Block Grant Disaster Recovery Program, the CDBG-DR, 
hindering long-term recovery efforts after disasters. 
Bureaucratic hurdles and lengthy processes delay the much-
needed funds, impacting the ability to promptly address urgent 
needs and slowing down the overall recovery efforts. That is 
why NLC supports the bipartisan Reforming Disaster Recovery Act 
in the hopes that the legislation would significantly improve 
the CDBG-DR Program for faster community recovery from major 
disasters.
    In conclusion, the NFIP is a critical resource, offering 
financial protection for residents and aiding and building 
resilience and sustainable communities. The National League of 
Cities eagerly anticipates collaboration with this Committee to 
ensure NFIP remains an effective tool in safeguarding 
communities nationwide.
    Thank you for your attention. I am available for further 
information or for questions.
    Chair Brown. Thanks, Mayor Patterson. Thank you all for 
testifying.
    We are going a bit out of order. Senator Scott and I have 
agreed on that. At the request and the agreement of the Ranking 
Member, Senator Kennedy of Louisiana will be first to ask 
questions. I understand you have been called away for a 
constituent event related to D.C. Mardi Gras, and I would hope, 
Senator Kennedy, that I do not ask for much from you except to 
stay within your 5 minutes, but I hope that maybe there would 
be a king cake in it for Senator Scott and me. Senator Kennedy.
    Senator Kennedy. When you get back to your office you will 
have a surprise.
    Senator Scott. Senator Kennedy, if you go 7 minutes I will 
give you more.
    Senator Kennedy. OK.
    [Laughter.]
    Chair Brown. Sorry. That was not part of the agreement, 
ever.
    Senator Kennedy. I want to thank our esteemed Chairman and 
Ranking Member, Senator Tester, for accommodating my schedule.
    Thank you all for being here, especially to my friend, 
Michael Hecht. He is a very talented, able guy. Michael is head 
of the business community in New Orleans and the surrounding 
area. I can say some things that he cannot say.
    We have two problems in Louisiana in terms of flooding. We 
have hurricane flooding and we have nonhurricane flooding. I 
want to talk about the nonhurricane flooding first.
    When New Orleans gets 2 inches of rain in a short period of 
time, it floods. Why? Because New Orleans is below sea level, 
and it is in a bowl. It is in a bowl. That is why our founders 
in the city built first in the French Quarter, because it is 
the highest area.
    We have what is called a Sewage and Water Board, which has 
pumps when it rains a lot to pump the water out. We have had 
that for years and years and years and years. The taxpayers pay 
for it. And for years and years and years and years it has been 
a model of inefficiency. In fact, it has been a cesspool of 
political
patronage and corruption.
    Now Michael cannot say that, and the business community 
does not want to say that because they are worried about 
retribution from the politicians. But it is the truth.
    Look at the headlines from our TV stations. ``Payroll fraud 
in a secret sex room''. ``Troubling allegations at New Orleans 
Sewage and Water Board''. ``Former New Orleans Sewage and Water 
Board employee sentenced for theft scheme''. ``New Orleans 
Sewage and Water Department raided by FBI''. ``Ex-Sewage and 
Water Board official has to pay back $100,000 he stole''. Next 
headline, ``We knew the Sewage and Water Board was 
dysfunctional. Now we know it's corrupt''.
    The people of New Orleans deserve better, and what we need 
to do is one of two things: the politicians have had their 
shot. They missed. We need to either turn the Sewage and Water 
Board over to the State of Louisiana and let somebody else run 
it, or we need to privatize it, because the Sewage and Water 
Board's plan right now, when it floods, when half of the pumps 
are broken, you know what their plan is? I kid you not. Move to 
higher ground. Where?
    Now the second problem is hurricane flooding, and this is 
the National Flood Insurance Program. We need a National Flood 
Insurance Program that looks like somebody designed it on 
purpose, because the one we have right now is not. The old one 
was not great, but at least it sort of worked.
    A few years ago FEMA decided they were going to reinvent 
it, and they hired an outside group of consultants, paid them 
bucket-loads of money, called Milliman, and Milliman came up 
with a new algorithm. And this algorithm is so good they say 
they can look in the future and look at each individual home 
and predict whether it will flood or not, 20 years from now. 
They made all kind of wild allegations.
    Any day now, I expect FEMA to say, ``This algorithm is so 
great it will grow hair,'' or ``it will cure ED.'' And I say, 
``Man, I need to see this algorithm. Can I see it?'' ``No. If 
we show it to you, I'll have to kill you.'' And I am in charge 
of their budget. They lied. They lied. They have the 
credibility of Jussie Smollett and Michael Avenatti put 
together. They lied. They said a million people of the five 
million people will see their rates go down. I have not talked 
to a single person who has seen their rates go down. This is 
just an excuse to raise premiums, and they do not care.
    The whole purpose of a National Flood Insurance Program is 
to provide a product that people can afford. In my State, here 
is what the premiums have done. They said, ``Oh, a lot of your 
people, Kennedy, they will see decreases.'' Claiborne County--
we call our counties parishes--a 305 percent increase. Another 
parish, 321 percent. Plaquemines Parish, 540 percent. FEMA 
lied, and they are not going to do any better.
    Now the best part of Senator Menendez's bill--it is a good 
bill; I am on it, he and Senator Cassidy. We have all worked 
hard--but it is going to cap the rate increases at 9 percent. 
Right now FEMA can raise the premiums 18 percent every single 
year, and they are going to keep doing it because they do not 
care. They lied to the American people and my people, and they 
ought to hide their heads in a bag, along with all the 
politicians that have allowed the Sewage and Water Board to 
steal money for all these years.
    Thank you.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Kennedy.
    Senator Tester is recognized for 5 minutes, from Montana.
    Senator Tester. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and Mr. 
Kaniewski said that he heard another person saying hazard 
mitigation is the center of the universe now. I always thought 
it was Cleveland, but maybe not. Enough of that.
    So look, we are on our 28th straight short-term extension 
of the National Flood Insurance. Beyond ridiculous, quite 
honestly. My question is for all three of you, but I only want 
you to use it for 30 seconds because you could all talk on it 
for 10 minutes, and that is, from this Committee's standpoint, 
what would you prioritize, besides the extension baloney, what 
would you prioritize in an NFIP bill as the most important 
qualities?
    Go ahead. We will start with you, Mr. Hecht.
    Mr. Hecht. Thank you, Senator. First would be affordability 
because we want to make sure that people stay in the program 
and it does not go into a death spiral. The second would be 
comprehensibility so people understand what they can do to make 
improvements and what they are paying for. And the third most 
fundamentally would be money for mitigation because hazard 
avoidance, reducing exposure is the center of the universe, and 
it is how we are going to improve this for our Nation, over 
time. Thank you.
    Senator Tester. OK. Go ahead, Mr. Kaniewski.
    Mr. Kaniewski. My answer is going to be hazard mitigation. 
Hazard mitigation because not only does it protect existing 
homeowners against their existing risk, it helps protect 
homeowners in the future, and anyone else who purchases that 
home in the future against future risk. It also gets at the 
affordability issue, because if you have reduced your risk you 
should also be able to reduce your rates.
    Senator Tester. OK. Mayor Patterson.
    Mr. Patterson. I would have to echo the affordability. I 
would also recommend looking hard at the CDBG-DR to streamline 
that. I come from one of the three chronically distressed 
counties in the State of Ohio, and when I look at affordability 
and look at my residents and my constituents it is a big 
challenge when you live the chronically distressed part of the 
State. And it is not just in our State. I look at all of 
Appalachia and see the exact same thing, and see affordability 
and streamlining access to CDBG-DR to where it is getting out 
more quickly and more effectively.
    Senator Tester. Thank you for that. I am going to go back 
to you, Mr. Hecht, because you talked about sustainability. All 
three of you talked about affordability with the last answer, 
and I agree, it does not do any good to have insurance if it is 
not attainable. But you also talked about sustainability, which 
is pretty damn important. We are $30 billion in the hole on the 
National Flood Insurance Program right now. I worked with 
Senator Vitter, Senator Kennedy's predecessor, and Senator 
Heller from a different angle on flood insurance. Affordability 
is always the issue, and sustainability means it is paid for, 
right? At least that is my definition of it.
    So how do we do this? Because when you are comparing the 
premium to risk, it is, well, you correct me if I am wrong, the 
risk is pretty significant.
    Mr. Hecht. Yes, thank you. So I think that there are two 
ways of looking at this. One is on the cost and efficiency 
side, and I think that Senator Scott spoke to this. The fact 
that 1 percent of claims are accounting for 30 percent of the 
payouts is something that clearly needs to be addressed.
    Senator Tester. And how would you address that?
    Mr. Hecht. Well, I think that you are going to have 
programs that basically that if you are a repetitive-loss 
building that at some point you do not qualify for new payouts. 
You basically need to be remediated, and you cannot build there 
any longer. There has to be a recognition to being smart about 
this program going forward.
    Senator Tester. So let's put this in plain talk. In other 
words, what you are saying is if you have an event that is 
expensive, unless you do some pretty significant mitigation you 
are not going to be eligible for the policy anymore.
    Mr. Hecht. I would say there is a little bit of a subtlety 
to that, because I think we have to define what is the 
appropriate definition of ``repetitive.'' If you have one event 
then you should not be taken out of the program. And I cannot 
say here today what the exact level should be, but there should 
be some point, after two or three events, that if you have not 
mitigated it, reduced exposure on your own, or are using public 
assistance then you do not get to continue to be a bad penny.
    Senator Tester. And I hate to keep going down this road, 
but look, Senator Kennedy talked about being below sea level. 
That is a problem. Building in the floodplains of rivers is a 
problem. We see the same thing, by the way, with fires. You 
build in the middle of the forest; the forest is going to burn.
    So the question is, and yet we have taxpayer subsidy of 
this program. We have taxpayer subsidy of a lot of programs, by 
the way. But we have taxpayer subsidy of this program. So how 
do we really get it to a point, because I do think 
sustainability is important. How do we get it to a point where 
it is a sustainable program, so that we are not dependent upon 
the U.S. taxpayer, for people who make bad decisions? Yes, go 
ahead.
    Mr. Hecht. No, no. It is a very complicated issue. One is 
efficiency. I think the other question we have to look at is 
the write-your-own programs are critical to us. They work for 
us. But should you get 30 percent continually as the rates 
continue to go up, that is a question.
    On the other side of it, we were able to be in Amsterdam 
over the holidays. When you arrive in Amsterdam Airport, 
Schiphol, there is a sign there that says, ``Welcome to below 
sea level.'' They have mitigated so well that it is actually a 
positive for them. So we do have the ability to design 
structures that protect communities and homes in a way that 
ultimately will reduce the exposure to the taxpayer.
    And finally, flood insurance, I would argue, is really a 
social good. We need to live and work near water as a Nation, 
so we have to have programs that maybe provide some level of, 
as you said, cross-subsidization.
    Senator Tester. Thank you, all three, for your testimony. I 
appreciate it.
    Chair Brown. Thank you. Senator Scott, of South Carolina.
    Senator Scott. Thank you. My good friend, Tester, asked a 
really good question about the impact of all of these 
challenges, repeated losses, but one of the things that at some 
point we are going to have to have a conversation, as a Nation, 
about a comprehensive catastrophic occurrence approach. The 
truth of the matter is that if you live in inland, name your 
State, your exposure and education on flood insurance, or the 
necessity of flood insurance, or NFIP is probably just absent. 
If you live in Charleston, we may have a tornado every now and 
then, but not a big deal. If you live in Colorado or 
California, your exposure to fires is a totally different 
experience.
    But if you live in America, the fact is simple. We, the 
taxpayers, have paid out hundreds of billions of dollars over 
the last 10 years because of catastrophic occurrences. It 
matters where you live to what the occurrence is, but it is 
occurring everywhere.
    And so while we are here today to talk about the National 
Flood Insurance Program and the importance of understanding how 
to mitigate that risk, the truth of the matter is that we, at 
some point, need to have a serious conversation about the 
comprehensive nature of catastrophic occurrences, that an 
insurance company cannot create a probably maximum loss, which 
means that that experience or that occurrence will not be 
insured at some point because you cannot figure out how to have 
an actuary sit at a table and figure it out. So without that 
comprehensive approach we really are missing the target by a 
mile.
    That said, if a home floods and the owner does not have 
coverage, Mr. Kaniewski, what are the options?
    Mr. Kaniewski. Well, if I can back up a second and say if 
they do not have flood insurance the first time they may learn 
about that will be when the flooding happens. Far too many 
Americans believe that flood insurance is included in homeowner 
policies. It is not.
    Senator Scott. That was my second question.
    Mr. Kaniewski. And then they also may believe that the 
Federal Government will be there to help them.
    Now again, in my role at FEMA, absolutely, if there was a 
Presidentially declared disaster FEMA was there to help. But 
the amount of assistance that FEMA is legally able to provide 
to a homeowner who has experienced a loss of any kind, 
including a flood, pales in comparison to what insurance would 
pay.
    Senator Scott. And I am not sure if the number is $39,000 
from FEMA or $40,000, but it is not $400,000.
    Mr. Kaniewski. Correct.
    Senator Scott. It is not $50,000. It is actually around 
$39,000 or $40,000, last time I checked, and I have not checked 
for this hearing.
    But I will say this, that the fact of the matter is that 
the floods that are occurring in different places every year, 
and the places where we are seeing floods occur--as an example, 
we had, I think it was 2015 or so, we had a 1,000-year flood in 
South Carolina. Not in Charleston, not in Myrtle Beach, not in 
Hilton Head. In Columbia. The community could not have been 
prepared for that because it is not supposed to flood in 
Columbia, South Carolina. But that actual experience is 
happening throughout the country in places where they do not 
expect it to flood.
    So having a conversation about the necessity of flood 
insurance is very difficult. Having sold it as an agent on the 
coast, it is very difficult to tell someone who is 100 yards or 
1,000 feet away from the water that you need flood insurance. 
Oh, it will not happen to us. We will just build high enough. 
Well, sometimes ``high enough'' is a relative definition. So we 
do need to have a different marketing strategy and approach as 
it relates to preparing for floods in places where we just do 
not think it is going to flood.
    During my opening statement I mentioned some recent actions 
taken by home State of South Carolina, providing communities 
with tools they need to protect their residents. Combining 
significant State investment in flood mitigation for a variety 
of mitigation strategies seems like a recipe for success at the 
local level. It has positive impacts at the national level.
    Mr. Kaniewski, could you provide us with any thoughts you 
may have, in about 30 seconds, on this approach?
    Mr. Kaniewski. Well first I, too, applaud the State of 
South Carolina. I mean, it is really a rare event where you see 
a State stepping up and saying, we are going to commit hundreds 
of millions of dollars to address this risk in our State. We 
are going to protect our citizens. We are going to protect our 
municipal infrastructure. We see it as a societal benefit.
    And I just want to pause for a moment and say what a big 
deal that is, because not only will that protect the citizens 
of South Carolina, it will protect the American taxpayer.
    Senator Scott. Thank you for that. And, Mr. Chairman, with 
my last 2 seconds left just quickly, when I think about the 
hundreds of billions of dollars paid out because of natural, 
catastrophic occurrences, the one thing I did not think about 
until you just mentioned it is that the public sector for 
public infrastructure pays out on top of that expense. So I 
would imagine in the last 10 years we have exceeded $1 trillion 
of payout, for the residents and the public infrastructure 
around this country, for an occurrence that is going to happen 
again and again and again.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Scott.
    Senator Menendez, of New Jersey, has probably put more 
thought into this issue than anybody on the panel. Thank you.
    Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you and 
the Ranking Member for holding this hearing. I am not as 
colorful as Senator Kennedy but I agree with a lot of what he 
had to say.
    Since FEMA recently changed its rating methodology, the 
program has lost 150,000 policyholders. FEMA itself has 
estimated that it will lose 1 million policyholders by the end 
of the decade due to the premium increases.
    In Patterson, New Jersey, where the medium household income 
is $50,000 a year, policyholders will see their premiums 
increase from an average of $1,500 a year to an average of 
$4,000 a year. In Keansburg, New Jersey, where the medium 
household income is $76,000, 1,000 policyholders will go from 
an average of $1,300 to $3,500. And the list goes on.
    So, Mr. Hecht and Mayor Patterson, can working families 
handle these types of increases?
    Mr. Hecht. Thank you, Senator, and thank you for your 
leadership on this issue over many years. One of my notes here 
I just looked at, which I think is important to say, is that 
the challenges of flood insurance, which would be difficult for 
a working-class family to handle on their own are being 
compounded now by inflation, which is making groceries and 
gasoline more expensive, and then homeowners insurance, which 
is being driven by reinsurance, which has gone up, I know in 
Louisiana, about 65 percent, I think nationwide between 15 and 
20 percent.
    So we really have a middle-class, working-class 
affordability crisis throughout the country, where flood 
insurance is just one of the vectors.
    Senator Menendez. Mayor.
    Mr. Patterson. Yes, I would add to that, in Athens, in 
Athens County, the median household income is around $42,000, 
so it is much lower than the national average. It is a 
challenge, you know, to have that added burden, especially 
those who are living within the floodplains, within the city 
and throughout the county. It is going to be an exceptional 
burden on them. And to echo the already existing cost-of-living 
increases that we are all experiencing. But again, my default 
becomes the distressed counties in Appalachia.
    Senator Menendez. What happen is that families who are 
forced to drop their flood insurance coverage due to rising 
costs and later suffer damage in future disasters, that is the 
ultimate disaster to them.
    And look, insurance is about spreading risk, right? The 
wider the pool, you know, the less the cost. The smaller the 
pool, the higher the cost, and that drives people out at the 
end of the day. And so if we think about how much money 
taxpayers are paid when there is a disaster declaration, true, 
not as much as an insurance company will pay, but still that is 
the taxpayer dollars, and I have not seen too many Presidents 
when there is a natural disaster somewhere in the country say, 
``Sorry. Not going to give you a declaration.'' They give 
declarations, which means the taxpayers' monies are being 
spent. So we should put that in as part of the equation, 
understanding that.
    And then if the private sector could do this, and do it at 
a reasonable cost, I would be all for it, but we have seen that 
the private sector just really is not going to go and do this, 
in a way, without a backstop that ultimately creates that 
opportunity.
    So, you know, the NFIP RE Act that I introduced, myself, 
Senator Cassidy, Senator Kennedy, and a whole bunch of others, 
on a bipartisan basis, lowers the statutory cap to 9 percent, 
the average annual increase that policyholders have seen since 
the Homeowner Flood Insurance Affordability Act of 2014 was 
signed into law. It also creates a voucher program to help 
families buy into the program. And endless increases help no 
one remain in their homes if there are unmitigated and 
uninsured consequences.
    A long-term reauthorization of the program must include 
robust funding of, as I think you have all talked about, 
mitigation, to
decrease the risk profile of the program and provide a sound 
financial future. If we know right now which homes are most at 
risk we should not wait until a flood to step in and help. For 
every dollar of mitigation the Federal Government saves $7 in 
disaster relief payments.
    But there is one critical mitigation financial tool of the 
NFIP, the increased cost of compliance coverage that has grown 
obsolete. Mr. Kaniewski, how much does it cost to raze a home, 
in general?
    Mr. Kaniewski. Unfortunately, flood mitigation measures, 
especially one that you just described, are among the most 
expensive hazard mitigation measures.
    Senator Menendez. Probably anywhere between $100,000 and 
$150,000. We did this in New Jersey after Superstorm Sandy. And 
currently the ICC coverage only provides $30,000 to raze a 
home, which is no longer sufficient to get a home in 
compliance. That is why our NFIP RE Act modernizes increased 
cost of compliance by increasing the amount of coverage 
available to $120,000, and making it accessible the moment 
homes are out of compliance with building codes.
    And so in my mind there is a series of things that we can 
do, but if we believe that sustainability is going to be driven 
purely--purely--by rates and payment, then we are going to 
drive not a million, we are going to drive a lot more people 
out of the National Flood Insurance Program. That will 
collapse, and then we will be in a set of circumstances when a 
disaster takes place that we will have disaster declarations, 
we will spend the taxpayers' money, but we will have no 
mitigation from the private sector side and from the individual 
citizens' participation, not to mention that the value of their 
home, Mr. Chairman, goes through the basement, because if you 
are in a flood zone and you do not have flood insurance, and 
your mortgage requires it, or if you want to sell and someone 
needs to get flood insurance and cannot afford it in order to 
buy for the new mortgage that may require it on that home, that 
home is virtually worthless.
    And so these are all parts of the equation that we have to 
think about, and that is what we try to do in our legislation, 
and we look forward to working with the Chair and others to see 
if we can make something happen. Thank you.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Menendez.
    Senator Britt, of Alabama, is recognized.
    Senator Britt. Thank you to the witnesses for being here. I 
certainly appreciate you taking time to be in front of us and 
let us ask important questions.
    I want to first echo some concerns that I previously 
highlighted before this Committee, related to Government 
overreach and over-regulation.
    We have seen it across the board in all financial 
institutions, the regulators are bringing, under this 
Administration, more regulation, more overreach, more burden, 
and unfortunately the Federal Insurance Office is no different.
    In November, the Treasury Department announced that it is 
moving forward with FIO's climate data call, and this is just 
yet another blatant effort to overstep into the State-regulated 
insurance industry and collect incredibly detailed information 
from our communities. The effort completely undermines our 
well-functioning State regulatory system and is an effort to 
pursue this
Administration's climate agenda at the cost of both taxpayers 
and industry.
    That is why I introduced the Insurance Data Protection Act 
with 16 of my Senate colleagues, including all of the 
Republican Banking Committee Members. The bill would rein in 
the overreach we have seen from the Federal Insurance Office 
and keep the office as it was intended to be, an informational 
body that supports the efforts of our State insurance 
regulators. State insurance regulators understand the unique 
needs, including the weather challenges, faced by their 
communities, and they help drive solutions.
    Unfortunately, Alabama is no stranger to the impacts of our 
natural disasters. We have experienced the devastation of 
everything from tornadoes to hurricanes to major weather 
events, and everything in between, the effects that those have 
on families, homeowners, and communities. Even this week we are 
preparing for strong storms and flash flooding across southern 
Alabama.
    It is imperative we are forward thinking in our disaster 
mitigation, disaster preparedness, and resiliency efforts. The 
Alabama Department of Insurance, in particular, has been a 
champion in this space. In 2011, Alabama established the 
Strengthen Alabama Homes Program, designed to aid and 
incentivize Alabama homeowners to improve their homes and to 
minimize property loss due to weather events.
    Mr. Kaniewski, I appreciate you highlighting these efforts 
in your written testimony. You specifically touched on the 
Fortified Roof Program that we have in Alabama and a report by 
three universities that studied the demonstrated benefits of 
the program. In short, the study found that the program 
directly resulted in (1) lower insurance premiums, and (2) 
higher home resale values.
    For those that may not be aware of the efforts in Alabama, 
can you further describe them and touch on the proven benefits 
that they have to homeowners?
    Mr. Kaniewski. Well, thank you, Senator, and I have got to 
say, in many forums I often laud Alabama. Alabama has three 
really notable things that you touched on. One, they have a 
Resilience Council. They created a council, and you say, oh, 
council, big deal. No, it is a big deal, because it meant the 
Governor is prioritizing resilience. Moreover, the cochairs of 
that council are the State emergency manager and the State 
insurance commissioner. In some States those two do not even 
speak. In Alabama, they sit together and they work on these 
resilience issues jointly. So kudos number one.
    Kudos number two, Strengthen Alabama Homes, as you 
mentioned. That program has been so successful that other 
States are now replicating it. Louisiana is now putting it into 
place, a virtual carbon copy of what Alabama put in place. And 
your State insurance office is working very closely with the 
State of Alabama to help them implement that program.
    So again, kudos number three, the study you mentioned. You 
are lucky to have a researcher named Lars Powell at the 
University of Alabama, who did that study. I thank Lars any 
opportunity I have
because that is the first study that I have seen that gives 
empirical data, real evidence, that mitigation pays.
    Senator Britt. Thank you. And so how do these types of 
efforts play into the larger discussion that we are having 
today, I mean, around reforms to the National Flood Insurance 
Program, and particularly on incentivizing communities to focus 
on disaster mitigation, preparedness, resiliency? Can each of 
you just speak to that quickly?
    Mr. Hecht. Yes, thank you, Senator. Actually, Louisiana 
competes with Alabama, or tries to, on many things like 
football.
    Senator Britt. Roll Tide.
    Mr. Hecht. In this case the Fortified Roofs Program that 
you all have put out there is the one that we model on. We were 
recently in London, meeting with Lloyd's, talking about that 
program. And what we love about that is that we are going to 
debate affordability and how we make this work. Ultimately, it 
is going to be community-based resilience, which prevents the 
damage from happening, that reduces exposure. That is the 
answer for our States and our country.
    Senator Britt. Thank you.
    Mr. Kaniewski. Well, we certainly have studies that are out 
there, like the National Institute of Building Sciences that 
puts out great work on the 6-to-1 number. It is 7-to-1, even 
11-to-1 in building codes. But rarely do you see an opportunity 
where a State is a living laboratory, puts those ideas into 
action, and shows, with real data, with real homes, that 
resilience pays.
    Senator Britt. Thank you.
    Mr. Patterson. I think what I would add, and when you are 
speaking of test cases, the City of Athens is, in earnest, 
taking on flood mitigation, given that we have the Hocking 
River that runs right through the center of the city. And as I 
mentioned earlier, we are home to Ohio University, where back 
in 1968, and before that, the campus was completely split it 
have during high-water events, with flooding that was taking 
place. We have since worked with the Corps of Engineers to 
basically reroute the Hocking River, move it to where it was no 
longer as significant a flood threat, but it is still a flood 
threat in the City of Athens.
    And so we have, in earnest, gone to great lengths to remove 
a lot of the invasives along the banks of the river itself, and 
in doing so we are reintroducing native trees that are high-
volume suckers, if you will, with sycamore trees, black 
willows, and swamp oak that are lining that now, which really 
helps when we do have high-water events that we are able to 
clear that watershed more quickly with absorption, but also 
creating a more laminar flow through the City of Athens by 
removing the invasives, which basically acted as snags to catch 
deadheads and other debris, therefore creating basically 
artificial fast-moving flash flood dams. So that has been 
effective. We have seen that that has been very effective with 
reducing the flooding that we are seeing in different 
neighborhoods throughout the city. And we are going to continue 
on that mission.
    We are currently working with the Corps of Engineers under 
Section 206 as well as 1135 to help work with them to explore 
different ways to where the tributaries coming into the Hocking 
River are also reduced. We have had significant flooding on 
some of the tributaries.
    But I guess my point being is that there are a lot of 
things that cities can do, villages can do. Now I will also add 
this, that when it comes to cities and villages, capacity 
becomes a real concern. Do they have the capacity? Do they have 
the financial wherewithal to be able to address some of these 
things? And I would say in the cities and villages that I 
engage with, that are small, the answer is no.
    Senator Britt. Thank you very much. We have got to empower 
homeowners and communities to be resilient against these storms 
and other conditions. I appreciate it.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Britt. I will continue to 
waive my questions. Senator Warren.
    Senator Warren. Oh, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    So climate change is wreaking havoc on our communities, and 
with global temperatures on the rise natural disasters are 
coming more often, and they are doing more damage. And with 
floods accounting for about two-thirds of the costs of all 
natural disasters our Nation's flood insurance program is 
feeling the strain. In just the past decade, the National Flood 
Insurance Program has been hit by 4 of its top 10 costliest 
events in history. More floods, more intense floods, mean more 
families and businesses need flood insurance more than ever 
before.
    Last year, parts of Massachusetts were devastated by 
historic flooding, causing millions of dollars in damage to 
homes, to businesses, to farms. Modeling shows that over 
100,000 properties in the commonwealth that are not in FEMA's 
flood zones and do not have flood insurance are at serious risk 
of experiencing a flooding event.
    Mr. Hecht, you are an expert on flood insurance market. 
With climate change on the rise, more people need flood 
insurance. Does that mean that everyone who needs flood 
insurance today gets that insurance?
    Mr. Hecht. Absolutely not. Only about 4 percent of U.S. 
homeowners have flood insurance. That number should be much, 
much greater.
    Senator Warren. In short, our flood insurance system is not 
working right now. The best and most important thing we can do 
is tackle the root of the problem. We should be making big, 
bold investments to stop climate change in its tracks and to 
reduce the risks that floods pose to our Nation's communities. 
But at the same time we need to make sure that we understand 
exactly how the ongoing climate crisis is affecting our 
insurance market.
    So Mr. Hecht, let me come back to you. We know a few things 
about how climate change is changing access to insurance. We 
know that premiums are up by hundreds of dollars a year in many 
areas. We know that private insurers have pulled out of flood-
prone States like Florida and your home State of Louisiana. But 
if we wanted to know exactly why an insurance company was 
pulling out of Leominster, Massachusetts, for example, and what 
insurance options were available to people in Leominster, at 
what premium levels, do we currently have data available to be 
able to do that?
    Mr. Hecht. Senator, no. So NAIC collects data that is at a 
State level, policies in force, and so forth, but I do not 
believe we have that level of granularity.
    Senator Warren. OK. So down at the homeowner level, at the 
town level, at the area that is flooding level, we just do not 
have that information.
    You know, the Federal Insurance Office at the Treasury 
Department is now working to try to fill that gap. In November, 
FIO proposed a plan to collect data from insurers on how 
climate change is affecting Americans' access to insurance and 
to the affordability of that insurance, including information 
on premiums, coverage, and claims.
    Mr. Hecht, FIO has proposed gathering data about the 
effects of climate change on one type of home insurance. Would 
it be helpful if the Administration gathered data on more types 
of insurance, like flood insurance, and about more categories 
of information, like the reasons for policy cancellations?
    Mr. Hecht. I have two quick answers to that. One is that as 
a homeowner you are looking at the cost of staying in your 
home, which is all types of insurance plus your mortgage note 
and your car payments and so forth. So the answer is yes.
    And then second, I think data, good data, is power.
    Senator Warren. So we are in the same place. I always want 
more information, and particularly in an area like this we have 
to understand the problem in order to fix the problem. The 
Biden administration should finalize its data call about the 
effects of climate change on the insurance market as soon as 
possible, and the Administration should collect all of the data 
necessary to understand our gaps in insurance coverage and to 
work out the right regulatory response.
    Good. Thank you all very much. Thank you for being with us 
today.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Warren.
    I want to go back to your talk, Mayor Patterson, your talk 
about what you did in Athens. I was in high school and I 
remember, I did not know much about that part of the State but 
I was maybe a sophomore in high school and I remember that 
flood, and it was the first time I really thought about 
something happening relatively close to home.
    Talk about opportunities beyond what you did to encourage 
collaboration between universities and communities. OU, for 
those not familiar--I mean, you all know about Ohio University, 
but it is a big university in a relatively small town, and has 
a huge impact on the town, 95 percent positive impact, I would 
say, not discussing the other 5 percent of the difficulty with 
[inaudible] relations. But if you would comment on that.
    Mr. Patterson. Senator, Thanks for the question. There is a 
lot that we are doing. We are blessed in that we have Ohio 
University and great partners with the city, not just the City 
of Athens but also the regional campus cities. You know, by 
having the Voinovich School of Leadership and Public Service 
they have got a strong GIS mapping arm. So that school in 
itself is a resource that has been made available to the 
Mayor's Partnership of Progress, which I already mentioned. So 
they play well with us to scrape the data that is necessary for 
us to understand the flood risks as well as better understand 
those with the greatest need when it comes to the impacts of 
flooding in our region. So they have been a great partner.
    I would say that having a workforce, a volunteer workforce 
at that, of the 19,000 students at Ohio University, they take 
part in doing a lot of the tree plantings that I had just 
mentioned. You know, we planted, over the last 8 years, more 
than 411 trees, both along the river and inland as well, to not 
only protect us and mitigate for flooding issues but also our 
decarbonization mission that we have in the City of Athens, 
with a pretty strong, with a 4 percent sequestration of carbon. 
But it is the students who come and help us work with that, the 
river sweeps that take place. They are engaged in that effort 
as well.
    But for me to have the ability--and it does not hurt that I 
taught at Ohio University for 18 years of my life--I know the 
schools and the departments to go to, to use those resources. 
But again, as I had mentioned, we are using them now in the 
cities of Zanesville, in the city of Ironton, in the city of 
Saint Clairsville, where there are regional campuses, and it 
has become a real force multiplier to have access to some of 
these resources to where, again, the capacity in some of the 
smaller cities and villages to be able to get this type of work 
done is insurmountable to them. They will not even think about 
it. They are thinking about having someone who is going to be 
hired to drive the snowplow versus someone who is going to be 
their GIS tech.
    Chair Brown. Few campuses have the reputation of activism 
the way yours does, the way OU does, and I appreciate you 
talking about the branch campuses. I have introduced a bill, 
the Neighborhood Tree Act, to help communities plant more 
trees. My thinking on that was informed about a book I read 
some time ago called ``Urban Forests'' or ``Urban Trees'', I 
think. And I remember one of the things that this book pointed 
out was an aerial picture of Los Angeles County showed that 
Beverly Hills was 55 percent tree covered and south central, 
one of the poorest parts of the city, was something like 13 
percent. I was also informed by the work you did because of the 
Hocking River flooding. So this legislation surely could make a 
difference in helping, in a significant, not a hugely 
consequential way but significant in some communities.
    Let me go, Mr. Hecht, to you for a moment, and if I have 
time I will come back to you, Mayor. FEMA reports it cannot pay 
back debts stemming from previous disasters. It will have to 
pay nearly $8 billion in debt interest, as you know, over the 
next 10 years. In 2017, at the request of the Trump 
administration, we forgave $16 billion of the program's debts, 
debt following Hurricane Harvey. I am glad to hear you agree 
that forgiveness is important.
    Would you like to comment on the benefit of using NFIP's 
resources for things other than interest?
    Mr. Hecht. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I agree with 
the doctor that if we can use those funds to invest in 
mitigation at the community level, things like levees, at the 
individual levels, providing for better roofs or elevating 
homes we are going to reduce our exposure over time.
    So if you think about exposure and costs, kind of like net 
present value like a stock, it is going to improve our stock 
price by making these investments today. So it does not seem 
like it is wise to just pay back the Treasury when that money 
can be going to actually reduce costs to the Treasury over 
time.
    Chair Brown. OK. Thank you. And Mr. Kaniewski, I know that 
you played a role in that, as I think you said number two at 
FEMA. Thank you for that.
    Back to the Mayor, we have heard support from each of you 
for investments in mitigation. Talk about the barriers in 
smaller communities, not just Appalachia but other places where 
they are more likely to have natural disasters of any kind. 
Talk about the barriers accessing Federal resources and 
managing floodplains and other kinds of natural disaster 
preparation.
    Mr. Patterson. Thank you, Mr. Chair. You know, as I had 
mentioned earlier, the barriers become capacity, and some of 
the barriers become education. I look at my colleagues not just 
across the State of Ohio but across the Nation, who come from 
small cities, villages, and a lot of them do not know where to 
turn to seek insurance funding. A lot of them do not know about 
the funding. You know, it becomes capacity. So there is a 
disconnect, I think, in a lot of the smaller cities and 
villages. So that is of real concern to me.
    We were talking earlier, you know--and thank you for your 
work on SSI and SSDI with Senator Cassidy--our individuals who 
are living on fixed incomes, you know, from a financial 
standpoint, especially as I have mentioned, and I have said it 
three times now, being in a distressed county where we have a 
lot of individuals living on significant fixed incomes, helping 
them understand how they can be able to access insurance if at 
all possible, it becomes a real issue.
    Chair Brown. Thank you. Senator Cortez Masto, from Nevada, 
is recognized.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank 
you, all three of you, for this important discussion. I am from 
Nevada. Flooding looks a little different in the desert, and I 
will tell you we do have challenges with flooding from heavy 
rains, flash floods--I grew up with those in southern Nevada--
new land development that changes the natural drainage, and 
really the spring thaw of winter snow. So the questions I have 
for you are kind of based on the inland challenges that we have 
for flooding.
    I guess my first question is I know the Department of 
Homeland Security developed 17 legislative proposals to reform 
the NFIP. One of those was a recommendation at the agency that 
FEMA differentiate between coastal and inland locations when 
determining premium rates for policies. Mr. Hecht, would you 
agree with that?
    Mr. Hecht. Thank you, Senator. To the degree that making 
that differentiation allows for better data, more granularity, 
and for people to have more appropriate coverage, yes.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Good. Does anybody disagree with 
that? I would be curious.
    [No response.]
    Senator Cortez Masto. OK. Thank you.
    The next question, Dr. Kaniewski, let me ask you this. 
Unfortunately we are seeing a lot of wildfires now in the West, 
and that literally has an impact after the fire on the 
geography, and when a big rain comes then we see horrific 
flooding after the fire. So I guess my question to you is has 
the NFIP made any changes to maps or policies in response to 
devastating fires, because this is my concern, Bureau of Land 
Management (BLM), local ranchers, we all have this concern that 
there is a challenge after a fire that we do not get mitigation 
dollars for, we are not able to address, when actually that is 
probably the worst flooding that can occur.
    Mr. Kaniewski. I agree with you that this is a risk that 
many are not aware of, and unfortunately it adds additional 
pain and suffering. After one disaster it creates another. So 
yes, it makes a lot of sense to mitigate that flood risk, 
whether it be before or certainly after that fire, to prevent 
anything like a landslide or any other kind of devastating 
effect. It affects, obviously, all of the living organisms, 
including those that could prevent, you know, the grass and 
such, that could prevent future wildfires. So it is really a 
disaster onto another disaster.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Yes, and that is something I am 
hopeful that we try to address at many levels because it is 
devasting throughout the West, and anybody that has these 
devastating wildfires, there has to be remediation afterwards, 
appropriate remediation.
    Mayor, thank you for being here. I really appreciate it. 
One of the challenges in Nevada is affordable housing, and I 
suspect it is a challenge of yours as well. I am curious. What 
are some strategies that you are dealing with to enable 
affordable housing developments to actually remain operational 
when insurance costs increase by 20 percent or more?
    Mr. Patterson. It is a national problem. I think we all 
recognize that. It is certainly an issue that the National 
League of Cities has taken up and working through in earnest.
    You know, one of the things that I have been working really 
hard on is there are levers that a mayor can pull to help with 
affordable housing being developed. We can use things like tax 
incremental financing for neighborhood revitalization, which is 
basically a 75/10, 75 percent capture of the new valuation with 
having houses that are either renovated or new housing that 
goes in, over the course of 10 years, and use that money to 
help pay for the infrastructure that has to go in place to 
support those new homes, whether it is new street surface or 
new street, period, water, sewer, storm. We have been using 
that to some effect in the City of Athens.
    There are also some programs that I know that we are 
helping with some developers who want to build more affordable 
housing, with the single-family housing tax credit that we are 
encouraging them to use to build more housing.
    And then the other thing that we have been looking at, and 
there is a challenge here as well, is looking at LIHTC housing 
within our community. We are fortunate that we are able to get 
to 9 percent LIHTC projects.
    Senator Cortez Masto. That is great.
    Mr. Patterson. We have created 192 workforce housing units. 
The unfortunate with that is that we were told that there was a 
4 percent LIHTC that was going to create 36 senior housing 
units in the City of Athens, and unfortunately the gap was too 
large for that developer to come in and cover that gap. They 
did come to the city and ask if we had $1.5 million in our 
bankroll somewhere to be able to fill that gap. If I had it I 
would certainly consider it, of course, predicated upon City 
Council.
    But it is those gaps that become a real challenge. There 
are a lot of different financial gaps that we are experiencing 
when it comes to affordable housing. But we are working through 
and doing the best that we can.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Yes, and I think that is what I hear 
in my community, and that is the biggest challenge, and that is 
why I have to thank the Chairman, because this is an issue--
there is legislation, and his focus is on how we address the 
affordable housing crisis in this country. One of them is 
addressing LIHTC. There are other ways that we can figure out 
how we help cobble together the financing to keep the costs 
low. There is legislation that he is supporting and introduced, 
and I think we need to get it done. This is not a partisan 
issue. This is bipartisan. We should be focused on how we 
address communities like yours, homeowners, individuals, 
renters, the like, to have a roof over their head, and it is 
affordable, and they can keep it.
    Thank you.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Cortez Masto. Mayor, I 
liked how you said, ``predicated on City Council.'' Well said. 
As the only elected--we do not have a lot of elected officials 
at this table. I mean, last week we had Jelly Roll, who is 
decidedly not an elected official. But anyway, thank you.
    Thanks. This is a very good hearing, and thanks for the 
wise, reflective, illuminating way that you explained this 
very, very complicated issue that this body, for years and 
years, has not been able to work its way through. And as 
Senator Cortez Masto said, it is certainly not a partisan 
issue. Almost half this Committee represents a coastal State 
and deals with these, but so does Nevada deal with them, so 
does Ohio deal with them, and so do other States. Thanks for 
being here.
    For Senators who wish to submit questions for the record 
they are due 1 week from today, Thursday, February 1st. To the 
witnesses, you have 45 days to respond to any questions.
    Thank you. The hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 11:27 a.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
    [Prepared statements, responses to written questions, and 
additional material supplied for the record follow:]
               PREPARED STATEMENT OF CHAIR SHERROD BROWN
    This hearing is a continuation of our efforts to enact a long-term 
reauthorization of the National Flood Insurance Program or NFIP. The 
program has been extended 28 times since September of 2017. The latest 
extension will expire on March 8th of this year.
    Today, we will discuss local leaders' perspectives on the National 
Flood Insurance Program, and the challenges and potential solutions to 
the risks that flooding poses to communities across the country.
    Local leaders are on the front lines of so many issues: 
transportation, how expensive housing is, the growing challenge of 
flooding. Each of these is a priority for this Committee.
    As these leaders know all too well, flooding is the most common and 
costly natural disaster facing the country. It's devastating to 
families, businesses, and communities in every State.
    And unfortunately, the risk is increasing.
    Outdated flood maps, population growth in at-risk areas, land-use 
patterns, and over-stretched infrastructure all play a role.
    And whether people want to admit it or not, climate change is only 
making it worse. It's making extreme weather events more frequent and 
less predictable--all across the country.
    Just this month:

    Streams overflowed in our colleague Senator Reed's home 
        State of Rhode Island;

    Torrential rains poured through homes in San Diego 
        neighborhoods represented by Senator Butler; and

    Flash floods have been threatening communities across 
        Louisiana, which is well represented by our colleagues in the 
        room today.

    Flooding isn't confined to communities on the coasts, or even on 
major bodies of water.
    As we saw in 2022, the same mountains and streams that make our 
Appalachian towns beautiful also make family homes and local economies 
vulnerable to flooding in an era of more extreme rainfall. Often the 
only available land for development in Appalachia is in or near 
floodplains.
    And disasters often fall hardest on the families and the 
communities that have fewer resources to prepare and respond to them. 
Smaller, rural communities often do not have easy access to resources 
to respond to the immediate effects of disasters, nor do they have 
access to the resources they need for long-term recovery and to prevent 
disasters in the first place.
    We need to ensure our families and communities can adapt and become 
more resilient both to the flooding we face now, and to the increases 
we know are coming in the next several decades.
    And whenever possible, we want to help communities avoid extreme 
flooding altogether, through pre-disaster flood mitigation.
    The NFIP is critical to that effort.
    Unlike a private insurance company, the NFIP does not just provide 
insurance. Its job is to prevent and minimize flood damage in the first 
place, not just help with recovery.
    The NFIP combats the overall threat of flooding through four 
related components:

    Flood insurance, currently covering nearly 4.7 million 
        homes and businesses;

    Floodplain management;

    Floodplain mapping; and

    Mitigation.

    We must reauthorize and strengthen the NFIP, and invest in 
mitigation and floodplain management before disasters happen in 
communities.
    In recent hearings, we heard from a wide range of stakeholders who 
discussed:

    The need for a long-term reauthorization to help 
        communities and stakeholders plan for the future,

    The importance of helping communities and property owners 
        understand their risk--by both improving mapping and other risk 
        communications, and through disclosure of flood hazards to 
        prospective owners and tenants, and

    The importance of building State and local capacity to 
        carry out our floodplain management and mitigation programs, 
        especially for small and rural communities.

    We also heard FEMA's recommendations for strengthening the program, 
including forgiving the overhang of debt from previous disasters and 
providing means-tested assistance to help more families afford 
insurance.
    I am interested in hearing today's witnesses' recommendations on 
how we can help strengthen the NFIP, so that it can help local 
communities meet their needs.
    I am pleased to welcome Mayor Steve Patterson of the City of 
Athens, Ohio, here today to discuss some of the unique challenges faced 
by cities and towns in Appalachian Ohio.
    NFIP is a complex program, with multiple goals and implications for 
many of the things people care about most--their homes and their 
communities.
    However, I believe it is possible for us to come together to 
reauthorize and improve this program.
    Today's hearing will help inform this effort.
    I look forward to working with Ranking Member Scott and the Members 
of the Committee to strengthen the NFIP and the country's comprehensive 
approach to mitigating flood risk through a long-term reauthorization 
bill this Congress.
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                PREPARED STATEMENT OF SENATOR TIM SCOTT
    Before we get started, I'd like to take the time to welcome a 
Charleston native, Mr. Kaniewski, as a witness today.
    I can't think of a more helpful perspective in dissecting these 
issues that are really local in perspective.
    Although you now live in Minnesota--I've never met someone who left 
Charleston actually--full time. Please come home soon, we really need 
you back. We need all the smart-thinking individuals back in 
Charleston, South Carolina. But we thank you for being here today.
    The National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP) comes into play when we 
start thinking about how to mitigate the risks that are so impactful 
and negative to communities across the country.
    As we consider potential reforms to the NFIP, we must keep in mind 
local perspectives and not just those of Washington bureaucrats.
    Because we all know that the most effective policymaking typically 
happens closer to the problem, not farther away from that problem.
    So our Federal programs should foster local, innovative solutions--
not regulatory red tape.
    Y'all have heard me say this before, that as a lifelong 
Charlestonian and South Carolina resident, as well as an insurance 
professional for more than 20 years--having sold flood insurance 
policies--it's really important for us to understand and appreciate the 
devastation caused by flooding.
    There's no doubt that if you're a Charlestonian and if you were 
around in 1989, Hurricane Hugo devastated our community in ways that 
very few natural disaster have before and frankly, since. The storm 
surge was so bad and so high, that it literally left boats in the 
middle of downtown in the streets of Charleston.
    More recently, Hurricanes Matthew, as well as Florence devastated 
towns throughout my State, and left some towns submerged.
    As a matter of fact, the town of Nichols, South Carolina--a very 
small town--was hit by both storms so bad that more than half of the 
houses in that small community found themselves underwater.
    And the devastation of trying to rebuild 24 months later--again--
was undeniably and frankly impossible. But the good news is when you're 
surrounded by your friends and your family, the impossible becomes 
possible. And they worked really hard to start the process of 
rebuilding very quickly, and frankly, very successfully.
    This type of repeated flooding makes recovery harder, and 
naturally, can even cause some residents to lose hope--and certainly a 
part of the town--residents left.
    It's one of the reasons why I've re-introduced the Repeatedly 
Flooded Communities Preparation Act, which would help communities 
suffering from frequent flooding plan for the next storm, and 
hopefully, lower the risk.
    It's my hope that by encouraging flood-prone areas to reduce the 
impact of future storms, residents will be able to focus on long-term 
recovery--long after the storm surge recedes.
    And recovery doesn't simply mean rebuilding, it also includes 
uplifting our communities. It includes making sure that families and 
neighbors learn to work together--that the synergy in the aftermath of 
a disaster is where community, and the glue of community, really 
manifests and reveals itself.
    South Carolinians who have lived through repeated flooding know 
this, and my home State has taken action to prevent this outcome.
    South Carolina's recent dedication of resources and strategic 
mitigation efforts are second to none.
    In 2023, the State's budget included significant funding for 
mitigation efforts that would reduce flood damage from future storms.
    Backing up that investment, the South Carolina Office of Resilience 
released a nationally praised ``Statewide Risk Reduction Plan'', 
identifying the communities most vulnerable to floods and targeting 
mitigation resources to protect those residents.
    These are local solutions to local challenges--and they will make a 
huge difference in the lives of South Carolinians.
    And while I recognize that what works in South Carolina may not 
work in places like Senator Cassidy's Louisiana or Chairman Brown's 
Ohio, I'm confident that similar, locally based solutions and 
approaches could make a huge difference, not only in those communities, 
but to the National Flood Insurance Program itself.
    To support these levels, we must have substantial reform to the 
NFIP.
    The status quo is not an option. The program is financially 
insolvent, with over $20 billion--$20 billion in debt.
    Instead of educating communities and homeowners on the risks they 
face, the program's outdated flood maps and lack of transparent data 
often obscures the risks.
    Without a well-functioning and financially solvent insurance 
system, the NFIP will fail to provide cities and towns with the tools 
they need to be resilient.
    And, if the NFIP is unable to provide local communities with 
improved mapping and mitigation resources, the financial health of the 
insurance program will continue to deteriorate.
    When I say that--especially with my legislation I've reintroduced--
we have to recognize that the NFIP pays out 30 percent of its resources 
to about 1 percent of the properties that consistently and repeatedly 
are flood victims again, and again, and again.
    One percent of the exposure absorbs 30 percent of the resources--
and that's an opportunity for us to look to the local communities to 
create strategies to perhaps not rebuild there, and that will take a 
local engagement to mitigate that risk for the Nation, for the program, 
and frankly for the communities where they happen.
    Comprehensive reform of the program is essential.
    One final and important point before I close: Congress cannot allow 
the NFIP to lapse.
    Most often we talk about States like Florida, or South Carolina, or 
Louisiana--where they pay a disproportionate share of the premiums that 
go into the NFIP. The truth is that whether you're in Ohio, or 
California, whether you're in the New Jersey, New York area, where 
Hurricane Sandy--$8.8 billion--Hurricane Harvey--$9 billion.
    The number of flood insurance policies in place? Essentially 
nonexistent. So not only do we need to have a comprehensive reform of 
the program itself, we need to have a better education that floods 
don't simply happen when you live near the water. Floods today happen 
throughout the country.
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                  PREPARED STATEMENT OF MICHAEL HECHT
              President and CEO, Greater New Orleans, Inc.
                            January 25, 2024
    Good morning, Chairman Brown, Ranking Member Scott, and Members of 
the Committee. I am honored to speak to you today about reauthorizing 
and reforming the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP).
    My name is Michael Hecht, and I am the President and CEO of Greater 
New Orleans, Inc. (GNO, Inc.), the 10-parish economic development 
organization for Southeast Louisiana. Since April 2013, GNO, Inc. has 
led the Coalition for Sustainable Flood Insurance (CSFI), a national 
alliance of approximately 250 organizations across 35 States. The 
Coalition for Sustainable Flood Insurance sees NFIP as a critical 
program that allows critical communities across our country to keep 
working.
    GNO, Inc. originally created CSFI to support NFIP reform as a 
Federal priority. Thus, we appreciate your longstanding leadership, as 
demonstrated today, and your continued recognition of the importance of 
available, affordable, and transparent flood insurance coverage for 
your respective districts and constituents. As you know, flood risk 
affects us all, and flood events have occurred in all 50 States and 99 
percent of counties in the United States since 1996. Your work this 
Congress to address insurance challenges will shape the future of our 
Nation's environment and economy, and make for a more prosperous and 
resilient country.
    Today, I will discuss the need to reauthorize NFIP--given its 
benefits to our Nation--and the need to reform the program--given 
FEMA's administration of Risk Rating 2.0 and its associated impacts.
I. Reauthorization
    First and foremost, CSFI aims to ensure the availability of flood 
insurance through a reauthorized NFIP. CSFI supports a long-term, 
multiyear reauthorization of NFIP to ensure program stability and to 
minimize ripple effects across the American economy. Since September 
2017, NFIP has been operating under a series of short-term 
reauthorizations without comprehensive reform. Since then, NFIP has 
been extended on a short-term basis 28 times and has briefly lapsed 
three times. On March 8, 2024, NFIP's current authorization will 
expire.
a. Effects of a Lapse
    If NFIP lapses, NFIP will lose the authority to provide new flood 
insurance contracts, and existing policies will not be renewed. NFIP's 
authority to provide new flood insurance contracts is a particular 
necessity based on the mandatory purchase requirement (MPR). This 
requires property owners to purchase flood insurance as a condition of 
mortgages made or guaranteed by Federal agencies, federally regulated 
lending institutions, and Government-sponsored enterprises. Property 
owners, both residential and commercial, are required to purchase flood 
insurance if their property is identified as being in a Special Flood 
Hazard Area (SFHA) and is in a community that participates in the NFIP. 
While private flood insurance coverage can now satisfy the mandatory 
purchase requirement, private flood insurance availability varies 
nationwide and is limited in many States, and can be prohibitively 
expensive.
    Thus, NFIP's reauthorization is consequential to the national 
housing market and real estate transactions. During a June 2010 lapse, 
about 1,400 home sale closings were canceled or delayed each day, 
representing over 40,000 sales per month. There are approximately six 
million homes located in SFHAs and subject to the MPR nationwide.
    A lapse also jeopardizes NFIP's ability to satisfy claims. NFIP can 
still process and pay claims on flood insurance policies as long as 
funds are available; however, NFIP's borrowing limit would be decreased 
from $30.425 billion to $1 billion.
b. NFIP's Success
    NFIP covers nearly five million policyholders with an annual 
premium of $3.5 billion and $1.3 trillion insurance in force. NFIP's 
policyholders are often misperceived as rich, second-homeowners in 
beachfront communities. However, in 2017, a CSFI study found that that 
98.5 percent of all NFIP policies are in counties with a median 
household income below $100,000, and 62 percent of all NFIP policies 
are in counties with a median household income below the national 
average of $53,889. According to FEMA, incomes are higher outside the 
SFHA than they are inside the SFHA. 26 percent of policyholders inside 
of the SFHA are low income, compared to 21 percent of policyholders 
outside of the SFHA. Despite the MPR, 51 percent of nonpolicyholders in 
the SFHA are low income, compared to 41 percent of nonpolicyholders 
outside the SFHA. Thus, NFIP works to serve working Americans in need 
of sustainable, reasonable flood insurance.
    David Maurstad, Deputy Associate Administrator for Insurance and 
Mitigation, said, ``over the last 50 years, NFIP has collected $60 
billion in NFIP premiums, but has paid $96 billion in costs (including 
losses, operating expenses, and interest).'' That said, a difference of 
$36 billion to assist about 5 million American property owners today--
and many millions more over the course of the program--is a good 
financial deal for the American public. According to FEMA, NFIP's flood 
management standards save the Nation almost $2.4 billion annually in 
flood losses avoided. Thus, over a 50-year period, these savings total 
$120 billion in flood losses avoided--for a net benefit to the American 
public of nearly $85 billion.
    NFIP should be reauthorized to fulfill its original objectives, and 
administered in a manner that respects these objectives. Congress, in 
the National Flood Insurance Act of 1968, declared the purpose of NFIP: 
``a reasonable method of sharing the risk of flood losses is through a 
program of flood insurance which can complement and encourage 
preventive and protective measures . . . if such a program is initiated 
and carried out gradually, it can be expanded as knowledge is gained 
and experience is appraised, thus eventually making flood insurance 
coverage available on reasonable terms and conditions to persons who 
have need for such protection.''
    Congress, in 1968, did not create NFIP to charge full-risk rates, 
if those premiums were onerous and exacerbated risk exposure. Rates 
were supposed to be ``adequate, on the basis of accepted actuarial 
principles, to provide reserves for anticipated losses, or, if less 
than such amount, consistent with the objective of making flood 
insurance available where necessary at reasonable rates so as to 
encourage prospective insureds to purchase such insurance and with the 
purposes of this chapter.'' Yet, only 4 percent of structures in the 
United States are covered today, and more policyholders are being 
priced out of the program as we speak.
    NFIP was given the authority to borrow money from the U.S. Treasury 
from the beginning, with Congress foreseeing the possibility of 
collecting less in premiums than claims paid. The Congressional 
Research Service (CRS) affirms that, ``The NFIP was not designed to 
retain funding to cover claims for truly extreme events; instead, the 
National Flood Insurance Act of 1968 allows the program to borrow money 
from the Treasury for such events.''
    For most of the NFIP's history, the program--exclusively on the 
backs of policyholders, without any other support from taxpayers--has 
been able to cover its costs. Prior to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, 
NFIP's largest level of debt was $917 million in 1997, which was 
reduced to zero by the end of FY 2003. Since 2005, the NFIP--through 
premiums collected from its policyholders--has made six principal 
repayments totaling $2.82 billion and has paid $6.17 billion in 
interest. NFIP has not borrowed from the Treasury since 2016.
    Unless debt is forgiven, only current and future participants in 
the NFIP--via premium revenues--are responsible for repaying NFIP's 
debt and accruing interest. The October 2017 cancellation of $16 
billion of NFIP debt represents the first time NFIP debt has been 
cancelled. The outstanding $20.525 billion in debt--and $619 million in 
interest paid by policyholders annually to Treasury--continues to 
hamper NFIP policyholders, and NFIP's success as both an insurance 
company and a Federal program. This $619 million in interest would be 
much better invested in mitigation.
    Recent administrative changes by FEMA further threaten NFIP's 
success. This change--Risk Rating 2.0--further diverts the program from 
its original dual purposes of providing flood insurance and reducing 
the Nation's flood risk.
II. Risk Rating 2.0
    CSFI was formed in the wake of the implementation of the Biggert-
Waters Act, when homeowners across the county were facing skyrocketing 
rate increases through a combination of the removal of grandfathering 
and new maps, which often times were inaccurate. CSFI was a driving 
force behind the passage of the Homeowner Flood Insurance Affordability 
Act (HFIAA), which was signed into law in March 2014.
    Today, we find ourselves in a similar position. As we did a decade 
ago, CSFI will work with all partners--coalition members, members of 
Congress, FEMA's public servants, and all other interested 
stakeholders--to successfully address challenges with Risk Rating 2.0.
a. Transparency and Accuracy Concerns
    Risk Rating 2.0 is a ``deja vu'' of sorts, although this time 
around, Congress did not pass legislation to cause this change to NFIP, 
nor has Congress had any substantial input in its development. FEMA, 
through what they claim is their administrative authority, has removed 
historical processes and replaced them--without a rulemaking process, 
an economic impact analysis, or even requested Congressional briefings. 
In short, transparency has been an issue in Risk Rating 2.0's rollout.
    Risk Rating 2.0 represents the largest change to NFIP's premium 
calculations since the program began in 1968. Risk Rating 2.0 was 
implemented on October 1, 2021 for new policies, and April 1, 2022, for 
existing policies. FEMA, in April 2023, finally released average full-
risk rates for States, counties, and ZIP Codes. Beforehand, FEMA had 
only released an analysis of premium increases per month (ex: 
policyholders on average see premium increases of $8 per month). This 
is ironic, as FEMA doesn't yet allow for payments in monthly 
installments, despite having the statutory directive from HFIAA in 2014 
to provide policyholders with the option of paying premiums monthly. 
FEMA's former demonstration of premium cost changes in terms of per-
month increases also hid full-risk rates, given HFIAA's annual premium 
increase limit for existing policies.
    With Risk Rating 2.0, FEMA has ``moved the goalline'' for 
policyholders and communities who have historically followed the rules 
by maintaining flood insurance coverage and satisfying floodplain 
management requirements. For example, past recipients of FEMA Flood 
Mitigation Assistance (FMA) grant assistance for home elevations agreed 
to maintain flood insurance coverage in perpetuity, expecting large 
premium discounts for mitigation, and not expecting Risk Rating 2.0 to 
change their premiums. Now, they cannot drop coverage, despite current 
conditions that they did not accept. CSFI's floodplain manager members 
have reported cases of property owners eligible for elevations denying 
FMA assistance. These property owners feel as though Risk Rating 2.0 
discounts for mitigation are unclear or insufficient to make even 
subsidized costs of elevation financially prudent. Thus, Risk Rating 
2.0 is confounding and undermining FEMA's own programs, intended to 
mitigate risk.
    Contrary to common misconception, FEMA has released the Risk Rating 
2.0 methodology through a ``Risk Rating 2.0 Methodology and Data 
Sources'' document and appendixes. One appendix is the ``premium 
calculation worksheet,'' an Excel document of four example properties 
in California, South Carolina, and Michigan to demonstrate the 
methodology's interaction of rating factors at the property-level. The 
``Appendix D Rating Factor'' spreadsheet shows tables and scores for 
Risk Rating 2.0's dozens of rating factors--including State base rates, 
distance to water bodies, levee quality, drainage area, concentration 
risk, foundation type, first floor height, floors of interest, and much 
more. Flood zones from Flood Insurance Rate Maps (FIRMs) are not a 
rating factor. CSFI members and congressional staffers have questioned 
some factors, like why there are base rates by State, since NFIP is a 
national program and the new methodology intends to reflect an 
individual property's specific flood risk, as opposed to general risk.
    Unfortunately, policyholders do not have access to their property-
level rating factor inputs, beyond the few listed on their declaration 
pages, which is made available only after purchasing coverage. 
Furthermore, there is no public-facing, interactive Risk Rating 2.0 
premium calculator. So, it still isn't clear to policyholders how 
modifying each of these factors (like elevation / first floor height) 
may affect their premium at the property level. With Risk Rating 2.0, 
FEMA is communicating flood risk through price of flood insurance 
coverage. Alternatively, FEMA could now use its wealth of rating 
factors--procured through many vendors--to demonstrate how, where, and 
why policyholders are at risk, and how policyholders can most cost-
effectively mitigate this risk.
    Recently, FEMA has taken additional strides towards transparency, 
like through the release of a ``Flood Insurance Discount Tool.'' FEMA 
also commits to future transparency improvements, in response to the 
July 2023 Government Accountability Office (GAO) report on Risk Rating 
2.0 (GAO-23-105977). For example, FEMA says that they will ``enhance 
policyholder communication productions and public-facing websites'' by 
April 30, 2024; ``pilot online quoting tool'' by April 30, 2025; and 
``publish final draft'' of an annual actuarial report by September 30, 
2025. FEMA should be encouraged, if not legislatively required, to 
honor their commitments.
    To date, FEMA's communications, materials, and tools still leave 
much to be desired by policyholders, stakeholders, and local 
communities. FEMA's Office of the Flood Insurance Advocate (OFIA), in 
its latest annual report, underscores concerns about Risk Rating 2.0's 
transparency and accuracy. For example, ``Policyholders, insurance 
agents and community officials expressed to OFIA that premiums rates do 
not seem to adequately reflect mitigation activities. For instance, 
they have indicated that they believe insufficient credit is given for 
certain mitigation techniques . . . This makes it harder for homeowners 
to take action to reduce their flood premiums, and harder for OFIA to 
advise customers of their mitigation options.''
    Amongst other suggestions, OFIA recommends that:

    ``FEMA's Federal Insurance Directorate (FID) should make 
        information about premium rates more accessible to the public 
        and should update language on NFIP's Pricing Approach / 
        FEMA.gov to describe in further detail how risks are aggregated 
        and tailor new materials to wider audiences.''

    ``FID should make information available about who 
        policyholders, agents, insurers, and other stakeholders can go 
        to within FEMA when questions arise about premium rates that 
        are not addressed in the public material.''

    ``FID should require standardized information on quotes and 
        declarations pages to include a description of a property's 
        flood risk, including the types of flood risk and other 
        specific rating factors that most influence the individual 
        premium so that customers can understand their risk of 
        flooding.''

    ``FID should ensure that deductible discounts are applied 
        in a manner that meaningfully reflects the financial risk 
        assumed by either the insurer or the insured.''

    OFIA also expresses accuracy concerns of Risk Rating 2.0's 
methodology and data sources, suggesting that:

    ``FID should update the rating engine to allow agents and 
        insurance companies to provide more accurate geographic 
        coordinate data.''

    ``FID should consider establishing a process to allow 
        agents and policyholders an opportunity to provide other 
        sources of information to demonstrate replacement cost value 
        used for flood insurance rating.''

    ``FID should explore ways to incorporate more data from 
        communities into the catastrophe models.''

    In further detail, OFIA explains issues with geolocation in Risk 
Rating 2.0: ``Policyholders want to provide additional detail to FEMA 
to refine the flood insurance price including correctly identifying 
latitude and longitude for geolocating the structure. To determine 
elevations and distance to flood sources, FEMA geolocates the address 
provided and determines the latitude and longitude. For almost all 
existing construction, the latitude and longitude are correct. However, 
in newer developments and very rural areas, the geolocation may be off 
enough to raise concerns about rating accuracy. Currently, there is not 
a mechanism for agents or policyholders to correct inaccurate latitudes 
and longitudes.''
    Risk Rating 2.0 intends to calculate flood insurance premiums for 
individual properties based on actual flood risk. But, as explained by 
OFIA, there are cases where Risk Rating 2.0 incorrectly identifies 
latitude and longitude for the structure.
    There are other known issues with data granularity across rating 
factors, from distance to coast to levee quality. Yet, there is no 
appeals process--for policyholders or communities--to ensure that 
FEMA's data is accurate and that rating factors are refined at the 
property-, community-, or State-level. Furthermore, there is no 
disputes process for policyholders to challenge the accuracy, or 
fairness, of chargeable premiums.
    In the ``Risk Rating 2.0 Methodology and Data Sources'' document, 
FEMA's contractor speaks to data reliability: ``In performing the 
services, we relied on data and other information provided to us by 
FEMA and other sources. We did not audit, verify or review the data and 
other information for reasonableness and consistency. Such a review is 
beyond the scope of our assignment. If the underlying data or 
information is inaccurate or incomplete, the results of our analysis 
may likewise be inaccurate or incomplete. In that event, the results of 
our analysis may not be suitable for the intended purpose.''
    It also appears that there has never been an independent third-
party peer review of the Risk Rating 2.0 methodology. GAO has conducted 
a review of Risk Rating 2.0; however, it was not a technical review nor 
an audit for accuracy. GAO said, ``In performing this analysis, we 
relied on actuarial reports and documentation provided by FEMA. We 
reviewed the documents for reasonableness but did not audit them for 
accuracy. To the extent that there are material deficiencies in 
completeness and accuracy in FEMA's actuarial reports, the actuarial 
premium estimates may be materially different from those shown in the 
reports had these deficiencies not been present. This review is not a 
technical review, and we did not verify the accuracy of the 
calculations performed by the actuaries who developed the full-risk 
premiums.''
    Proper programmatic improvements to address data accuracy and 
methodology development are outstanding. To address this, FEMA can 
arrange for a third-party review of the methodology and data sources. 
FEMA can accept more input from agents, policyholders, floodplain 
managers, and technical experts. This will refine Risk Rating 2.0 based 
on specific, local, or technical knowledge. Furthermore, this can 
empowering policyholders and communities, making them more likely to 
reduce their flood risk exposure and take on mitigation activities. 
Until then, identified frustrations above, and their impacts identified 
below, are expected to continue.
b. National Impact of Risk Rating 2.0
    On average, under Risk Rating 2.0, an NFIP policy will be $1,808, 
which represents a 103.6 percent increase over legacy rates. Although 
much of the public outcry about Risk Rating 2.0 has been from 
Louisiana, Louisiana is far from the most affected State. In terms of 
full-risk rates, there are 17 States with higher average rates than 
Louisiana. Rates will increase by over 50 percent in 41 States. States 
with the highest average full-risk rates are:

    1. Hawai`i: $3,653 (+154.1 percent)

    2. West Virginia: $3,074 (+171.2 percent)

    3. Connecticut: $3,000 (+88.6 percent)

    4. Maine: $2,700 (+183.2 percent)

    5. New Hampshire: $2,545 (+109.2 percent)

    6. Vermont: $2,248 (+87.7 percent)

    7. Florida: $2,213 (+131.1 percent)

    8. Kentucky: $2,201 (+107.6 percent)

    9. New York: $2,197 (+85.5 percent)

    10. Mississippi: $2,137 (+149.1 percent)

    In CSFI's 2022 white paper, ``An Evaluation of Risk Rating 2.0 on 
NFIP Affordability'', a literature review of NFIP price elasticity 
found that a price increase of 1 percent causes a decreased demand of 
0.11 percent to 0.87 percent for flood insurance policies. Before Risk 
Rating 2.0 was implemented, an internal FEMA study estimated that that 
20 percent of policyholders nationwide would ultimately leave the 
program due to premium increases. We are watching this prediction 
unfold.
    NFIP's participation peaked around 5,700,235 in 2009. On the day 
before Risk Rating 2.0's implementation in October 2021, there were 
4,899,114 policies in force nationally. As of December 2023, there are 
now 4,683,971 policies in force nationally. Thus, NFIP has lost over 
215,000 policyholders, or 4.39 percent of all policyholders, since Risk 
Rating 2.0's implementation. 121,739 policies have been lost in Texas 
alone. Participation has already fallen by over 5 percent in 26 States 
and by over 10 percent in 14 States. These 14 States with the greatest 
declines in policies in force, by percentage of policies, are:

    1. West Virginia: -2,428 (-19.44 percent)

    2. Oklahoma: -2,050 (-17.74 percent)

    3. Texas: -121,739 (-15.50 percent)

    4. North Dakota: -1,198 (-14.55 percent)

    5. Iowa: -1,602 (-14.10 percent)

    6. Minnesota: -919 (-11.29 percent)

    7. South Dakota: -327 (-10.89 percent)

    8. Missouri: -1,933 (-10.64 percent)

    9. Louisiana: -53,558 (-10.54 percent)

    10. Nebraska -886 (-10.54 percent)

    11. Kansas: -848 (-10.35 percent)

    12. Arkansas: -1,354 (-10.15 percent)

    13. Ohio: -2,665 (-10.07 percent)

    14. Mississippi: -6,086 (-10.00 percent)

    Clearly, Americans are not yet benefitting from Risk Rating 2.0. 
Risk Rating 2.0 is proving cost prohibitive to policyholders and is 
posing a burden to FEMA itself. David Maurstad said that, ``Since 2017, 
hundreds of FEMA staff, over a dozen contractors pursuant to over two 
dozen different contracts, thousands of staff and insurance agents from 
the 47 WYO companies participating in the NFIP, and 5 vendors have 
worked on the development and implementation of Risk Rating 2.0. This 
effort has cost the Federal Government over 80 million dollars, all of 
which would be wasted if the implementation of the current rates were 
permanently enjoined.''
    CSFI supports congressionally proposed, FEMA-supported, and private 
market-backed provisions that can provide coverage. For example, CSFI 
supports allowing for private flood coverage to satisfy continuous 
coverage requirements, which would allow policyholders to switch 
between public and private coverage without permanently sacrificing 
benefits of NFIP's annual rate increase limit. This priority is more 
urgent with a growing private market and a less affordable NFIP.
c. Regional Impact of Risk Rating 2.0
    Across the country, NFIP allows working communities to continue 
working. Our region--Greater New Orleans--is essential to the national 
economy, and even global food and energy security. NFIP simply does not 
take these factors into account. NFIP has not conducted a comprehensive 
assessment of the economic and social impacts of implementing Risk 
Rating 2.0, which would demonstration ripple effects on Government 
revenues, property values, national security, and more.
    Illustrating the importance of Greater New Orleans, over 50 percent 
of all U.S. grain exports travels through the Port of South Louisiana. 
Under Risk Rating 2.0, flood insurance premiums are increasing by 239.2 
percent in St. Charles Parish, where many of the port's workers reside. 
While many Federal levees in the National Levee Database are considered 
by Risk Rating 2.0--like the $14.5B Hurricane & Storm Damage Risk 
Reduction System surrounding our region. However, St. Charles Parish 
has invested in local levees and pump stations which are not accounted 
for in ratemaking. For example, near a local flood control structure 
that FEMA doesn't recognize, an X-Zone home in Des Allemandes, LA, will 
see premiums increase from $572 to $6,131.
    Higher costs of living and higher costs to employ logistics and 
trade workers will be passed on to consumers nationwide. Eventually, by 
pricing out workers within our region, farmers in Nebraska and 
agricultural workers across the Midwest won't be able to export grain 
produced. Moreover, the United States would lose competitive advantages 
in logistics and trade. The United States would also sacrifice the 
agility to stabilize global markets, as seen in recent years, when 
Ukraine's grain exports are constricted.
    The largest private investment human history--a $21B LNG export 
facility--is currently under construction in Plaquemines Parish, near 
the mouth of the Mississippi, for the benefit of the American economy, 
global security, and global climate (switching Asia from coal to gas). 
In Plaquemines Parish, the average full-risk premium is $5,431 per 
year, an increase of 545.3 percent compared to legacy rates. A property 
in Belle Chasse, LA is seeing an increase from $572 to $8,828. This is 
a parish with a poverty rate of 16.4 percent, 5 percentage points above 
the national average. The median value of owned-occupied homes is 
$253,300, compared to $281,900 nationally. And, due to NFIP floodplain 
management requirements, in some parts of the parish, a new home (or a 
substantially damaged property) must be built or elevated to a base 
flood elevation of 18 feet. NFIP is wreaking havoc on critical 
communities like this, which will inevitable have cascading 
consequences, without congressional intervention.
    Meanwhile in Plaquemines Parish, in addition to historic industry 
investment, there is historic environmental investment. The largest 
ecosystem restoration in the Nation's history has broken ground. The 
$2.9B Mid-Barataria Sediment Diversion will harness the land-building 
power of the Mississippi River to build and sustain up to 26,000 acres 
of wetlands in the Barataria Basin. This project is part of 
Louisiana's' 50-year, $50B Coastal Master Plan, which is not clearly 
factored into rates. Since 2016, Louisiana has restored and maintained 
26,000 acres of coastal land and improved 83 miles of levees. The 
projects identified in the 2023 Coastal Master Plan will restore and 
maintain over 300 square miles of Louisiana's coastal wetlands and 
reduce expected annual damage by up to $15 billion. Instead, through 
catastrophe modeling and Risk Rating 2.0's ``disaster to coast'' 
factor, Louisiana may be being punished for a century of coastal land 
loss, largely due to Federal management of the Mississippi River and 
largely out of communities' control.
    Implementing all projects in Louisiana's Coastal Master Plan over 
50-year period could reduce risk from tropical storms and hurricanes to 
coastal communities to less than what the current risk level is today, 
even considering sea level rise projections. But, communities--and 
entire States--are not necessarily being given credit for their 
investments in resilience nor incentivized to do so. Thus, considering 
residents' cost-prohibitive premiums, communities could be left with 
fleeing populations and cratering tax bases. They will be unable to pay 
for necessary adaptations from their self-generated revenues, and they 
will have to rely more heavily Federal funding, both for public 
improvements and for residents' flood losses.
    Still, the city of New Orleans is wisely investing in green 
infrastructure and smarter storm water management practices, as advised 
by GNO, Inc.'s 2013 Greater New Orleans Urban Water Plan. The Mirabeau 
Water Garden is converting the site of a former convent, flooded by 
Hurricane Katrina, into a 10 million gallon detention pond and an urban 
water management educational center. Despite being funded through 
FEMA's own Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP), this project won't 
necessarily reduce neighbors' NFIP premiums, although it will reduce 
flooding by up to 14 inches. Moreover, when neighbors drop NFIP 
coverage or move due to heighted premiums, this can affect a projects' 
benefit cost analysis (BCA) of projects and impact their eligibility 
for Federal funding.
    Throughout the Gentilly neighborhood where Mirabeau lies, through a 
``community adaptation program,'' approximately 200 households have 
installed various property-level retrofits to reduce their flood risk. 
These property-level flood adaptations--permeable pavement, stormwater 
planter boxes, tree plantings, infiltration trenches, rain barrels, and 
rain gardens--are also not considered in Risk Rating 2.0. While these 
property owners have reduced flood risk for themselves and their 
neighbors, they are not being credited by NFIP for doing so.
    Across the State, we're also adapting by installing FORTIFIED 
roofs, a construction method that reduces the chance of wind-related 
losses through stronger roofs. The FORTIFIED Program, a program of the 
Insurance Institute for Business & Home Safety (IBHS), is a strong 
model for resilient building practices and relevant incentivization. In 
Louisiana, State law requires actuarially sound premium discounts to be 
provided to policyholders who install FORTIFIED roofs. Similarly, NFIP 
policyholders could be incentivized to install floodproofing 
adaptations, from permeable pavements to rain gardens, in exchange for 
appropriate NFIP premium discounts.
    Oddly, rates in our region are being treated as an anomaly, 
according to FEMA's ``Risk Rating 2.0 Methodology and Data Sources'' 
technical document. With no further explanation, the document reads, 
``As in the nonleveed analysis, GLMs were used to develop geographic 
rating factors for leveed areas. For the nonleveed analysis, separate 
models were fit by segments that consisted of groups of States. For the 
leveed analysis, there was a smaller volume of data that was more 
highly geographically concentrated. Using the same segments as the 
nonleveed analysis would have produced policy counts that were too low 
within a segment. Instead, the GLMs were fit on the countrywide data. 
Upon reviewing the residuals, Milliman created an interaction term in 
the Inland Flood model to allow for elevation as a rating variable in 
Louisiana. Without this rating variable, AALs were underpredicted in 
low elevation areas, especially areas with negative elevation in New 
Orleans. Milliman also found it necessary to create separate GLMs for 
Louisiana Storm Surge.''
    Maybe regions like ours--communities that are economically 
important to protect, and imperative for the national economy to exist 
near water--should be treated differently in ratemaking than some 
second-home, vacation communities. This differentiation is seen in some 
parts of NFIP. For example, the HFIAA surcharge is $25 for primary 
residences and $250 for second homes. Annual premium increases are 
capped at 18 percent for primary residences but at 25 percent for 
secondary home and severe repetitive loss properties. A future 
affordability program to help working Americans could be only open to 
primary residences that are not severe repetitive loss properties.
    Our community is like many of the 22,500+ in NFIP--a hardworking 
community that serves America through water resources. Over half of 
America's population lives in a coastal county, and over half of all 
jobs are located in coastal counties. Moreover, 57 percent of the 
country's GDP is produced from counties by the coast (Emsi). A flood 
insurance program should allow coastal economies to not only exist, but 
provide for rest of our country through trade, logistics, agriculture, 
advanced manufacturing, energy production, and all industries that are 
dependent on proximity to water.
    And beyond the coast, flooding still occurs--as you'll remember 99 
percent of U.S. counties have been impacted by a flooding event since 
1996; in 2019, of the 10 States with the most flooding events, only 
three were coastal States (FEMA). Fairly priced flood insurance--and 
complementary investments in mitigating flood risk--is essential to the 
American economy, in Greater New Orleans, and everywhere.
III. Reform Priorities
    With this understanding of NFIP's importance and current concerns, 
NFIP should be reauthorized and reformed. Although Congress did not 
cause the Risk Rating 2.0 predicament, fortunately, it can take action 
to address it in a manner that improves economies, empower communities, 
and protects policyholders.
    We underscore the following reform priorities for consideration by 
the 118th Congress. These priorities are informed by legislation 
introduced this Congress, like the National Flood Insurance Program 
Reauthorization and Reform Act (NFIP-RE) of 2023, as well as CSFI's 
white paper on affordability and our coalition members' insight.

  1.  Require a peer-review of the Risk Rating 2.0 methodology and an 
        analysis of Risk Rating 2.0's economic impacts--An independent 
        actuarial review performed on an ongoing basis by a team of 
        experts could heed improvements to the Risk Rating 2.0 
        methodology, while establishing insight into Risk Rating 2.0. 
        This review may work to improve data resolution issues and a 
        perceived undervaluation of certain factors, like first floor 
        height and other mitigation measures. Congress can 
        simultaneously require FEMA to review national impacts of Risk 
        Rating 2.0. For example, the Risk Rating 2.0 Transparency Act 
        would mandate FEMA that ``complete and publish a comprehensive 
        assessment of the economic and social impacts of implementing 
        Risk Rating 2.0'' over a 20-year period.

  2.  Mandate FEMA's transparency through the release of a public-
        facing rate calculator and establishment of rating factor 
        appeals process--Policyholders demand a way to review rating 
        factors, validate property-level inputs, understand their 
        comprehensive risks, and see the impact on premiums from 
        undertaking mitigation measures. The NFIP-RE Act would mandate 
        that FEMA ``establish a tool that allows members of the public 
        to estimate premium rates for covered properties under the Risk 
        Rating 2.0 program (or any similar methodology) within a 
        reasonable margin of error based on user inputs.'' Furthermore, 
        the NFIP-RE Act would ``establish a fair, transparent, and 
        streamlined process to manage disputes regarding chargeable 
        premium rates
        prescribed.'' This appeals process is necessary so that 
        policyholders can ensure Risk Rating 2.0's data accuracy at the 
        property level.

  3.  Lower annual premium increases to nine percent--Cutting the 
        annual rate hike cap in half, from 18 percent to 9 percent, 
        cuts anticipated NFIP participation decreases in half, 
        according to statistical models of NFIP price elasticity. NFIP 
        participation has already decreased by over 4 percent since 
        Risk Rating 2.0's implementation. Congress should cap single-
        family primary residential annual premium increases to a 
        maximum of 9 percent each year, to stabilize program 
        participation and serve as a bridge to a permanent 
        affordability program. The Flood Insurance Affordability Act 
        would accomplish this.

  4.  Enact a means-tested assistance program with housing burden as a 
        targeting factor--Under Risk Rating 2.0, the median percentage 
        of household income represented by the full-risk premium will 
        exceed 1 percent in 45 States and will equal or exceed 2 
        percent in 10 States. FEMA has proposed to administer an 
        affordability program for certain NFIP policyholders, but this 
        requires congressional authorization. This program should be 
        authorized and made available to both current and prospective 
        policyholders, with scaled discounts to assist those most in 
        need, in order to encourage NFIP participation growth. The 
        NFIP-RE Act proposes eligibility for policyholders earning up 
        to 140 percent of AMI, which CSFI supports. However, in lower-
        income areas with higher costs of living, 140 percent of AMI 
        may still be insufficient to reach homeowners in need. Beyond 
        AMI, there are other cost of living measures--most relevantly 
        housing burden--that can be used to determine eligibility or 
        discount distribution.

  5.  Forgive NFIP's debt or freeze interest payments--Congress should 
        forgive NFIP's debt, given that it was accumulated under a 
        legacy pricing system. FEMA will pay the U.S. Treasury $619M 
        this year to service $20.5B of NFIP debt, much from 
        policyholders who have left the program or mitigated their 
        properties. According to FEMA, approximately 11 percent of each 
        current policyholder's premium is applied towards these 
        payments, equating to about $132 per policyholder per year. At 
        the least, Congress should grant forbearance for interest 
        payments over a defined period of time. The NFIP-RE Act would 
        pause interest payments for 5 years, and deposit these savings 
        into a National Flood Mitigation Fund.

    The policies above--intended to resolve common equity, 
affordability, transparency, and accuracy concerns--would serve to 
stabilize participation, sustain the program, and support communities 
across the country.
    These policies are just the beginning. Other reforms called for by 
NFIP stakeholders include Increased Cost of Compliance modernization, 
flood mapping modernization, claims process reform, among many more. 
Furthermore, Congress could work to address global insurance challenges 
that put pressure on NFIP, such as skyrocketing reinsurance costs. For 
example, a Federal reinsurance commission could be established to study 
options for Federal intervention, as well as associated savings to FEMA 
and other Federal agencies, and then propose solutions.
    Again, thank you for the opportunity to testify today about the 
reauthorizing and reforming the National Flood Insurance Program. We 
appreciate your recognition of NFIP's value to local communities and 
the American economy.
    All stakeholders across the country interested in sustainable flood 
insurance are welcomed to join our coalition. CSFI stands ready and 
willing to assist the Committee as we work to reauthorize the NFIP by 
March 8, and as we pursue long-term solutions that improve NFIP and our 
country's sustainability.
                 PREPARED STATEMENT OF DANIEL KANIEWSKI
            Managing Director, Public Sector, Marsh McLennan
                            January 25, 2024
                            
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                 PREPARED STATEMENT OF STEVE PATTERSON
                      Mayor, City of Athens, Ohio
                            January 25, 2024
    Good morning. I express my gratitude to Chairman Brown, Ranking 
Member Scott, and the esteemed Committee Members for extending the 
invitation to address you today. I also appreciate the Committee's 
ongoing support and dedication to the National Flood Insurance Program 
(NFIP) and their commitment to enhancing the resilience of our 
communities.
    I'm Steve Patterson, the Mayor of the City of Athens, OH, and the 
2nd Vice President of the National League of Cities (NLC), which 
advocates for 19,000 cities, towns, and villages across the Nation. I 
am honored to present testimony today on the critical significance of 
the National Flood Insurance Program for mayors, local officials, and 
all members of the National League of Cities.
    Since the conclusion of the fiscal year 2017, the NFIP has 
undergone a series of 28 short-term extensions. This prolonged reliance 
on short-term measures underscores the pressing need for a more 
enduring solution. Recognizing the inherent challenges and 
uncertainties associated with recurring short-term extensions, the NLC 
believes that a sustained and well-defined reauthorization is 
imperative for ensuring the stability, effectiveness and resilience of 
the NFIP. The complexity of flood insurance issues demands a forward-
looking legislative approach that addresses long-term sustainability 
and the evolving nature of flood risks.
    In alignment with its commitment to fostering robust and enduring 
solutions, the NLC has officially endorsed the National Flood Insurance 
Program Reauthorization and Reform Act of 2023 (S. 2142). This 
legislative initiative is seen as a pivotal step toward providing the 
NFIP with the stability and resources needed to fulfill its crucial 
role in protecting communities against the financial devastation caused 
by flooding.
    A long-term reauthorization not only ensures the program's 
continued functionality but also fosters confidence among local 
governments and residents who rely on the NFIP for financial protection 
in the face of flooding events.
Local Government Support for NFIP
    NFIP serves as a critical tool in protecting homeowners, 
businesses, and municipalities from the devastating financial 
consequences of flooding. Flooding events have become increasingly 
frequent and severe, posing a significant threat to the stability and 
well-being of communities across the Nation. Without the support and 
provisions offered by NFIP, the financial burden on our residents would 
be overwhelming, hindering our ability to recover and rebuild in the 
aftermath of such disasters.
    Here are key facts highlighting the importance of NFIP for local 
governments and residents:
    1. Financial Protection for Homeowners:

      NFIP stands as a cornerstone in providing homeowners 
        residing in flood-prone areas with comprehensive and essential 
        insurance coverage. This coverage extends beyond the mere 
        compensation for property damages; it encompasses the broader 
        financial landscape affected by flooding events.

      One of the distinctive features of NFIP is its commitment 
        to ensuring that affected homeowners can access funds promptly. 
        This rapid disbursement is instrumental in expediting the 
        recovery process and mitigating the economic strain experienced 
        by individuals and families.

      Prompt access to funds enables homeowners to initiate 
        immediate repairs and restoration efforts, preventing further 
        damage and minimizing the duration of displacement. This, in 
        turn, contributes to the overall resilience of the community by 
        facilitating a swifter return to normalcy for residents.

      It is important that the NFIP recognizes the diverse 
        needs of homeowners and offers flexible financial assistance 
        tailored to individual circumstances. This can include 
        temporary housing assistance for those displaced, funds for 
        necessary living expenses, and additional financial support to 
        address specific challenges faced by homeowners during the 
        recovery period.

      The program's flexibility should extend to accommodating 
        various property types, from single-family homes to 
        condominiums, ensuring that a wide spectrum of homeowners can 
        benefit from the financial protection and support provided by 
        NFIP.

    2. Economic Stability for Communities:

      Flood-related damage can have a cascading effect on the 
        local economy. By ensuring that homeowners can promptly access 
        funds, NFIP contributes to the maintenance of economic 
        stability at the community level. Swift recovery translates to 
        a quicker resumption of economic activities, preventing a 
        prolonged downturn that could result from extensive property 
        damage.

      The economic stability fostered by NFIP not only aids 
        individual homeowners but also has a ripple effect on local 
        businesses, schools, and public services. By preventing a 
        protracted economic downturn, NFIP supports the overall well-
        being and vitality of the community.

      In essence, NFIP's commitment to providing financial 
        protection goes beyond the immediate compensation for property 
        damage. It encompasses a comprehensive approach that considers 
        the broader financial needs of homeowners, ensuring swift and 
        flexible assistance that fosters both individual and community-
        wide economic stability in the wake of flooding events.

    3. Empowering Comprehensive Floodplain Management:

      Having a sustainable NFIP can serve as a catalyst for 
        local governments to establish and implement comprehensive, 
        long-term floodplain management strategies. This includes the 
        development of detailed floodplain maps, risk assessments and 
        mitigation plans tailored to the unique characteristics of the 
        region.

      Through NFIP, local authorities gain access to resources 
        and technical expertise, enabling them to create and update 
        floodplain maps regularly. This proactive approach aids in 
        identifying high-risk areas and implementing targeted measures 
        to reduce vulnerabilities.

      NFIP helps municipalities to not merely be reactive to 
        flood events; but to actively engage in proactive measures to 
        enhance community resilience such as:

        Zoning Regulations: Local governments are working to 
        establish and enforce robust zoning regulations, ensuring that 
        new developments and constructions adhere to flood-resistant 
        standards. This proactive zoning approach minimizes exposure to 
        flood risks and prevents the creation of vulnerable structures.

        Land-Use Planning: Local governments are working to 
        integrate flood risk considerations into our land-use planning 
        processes. This involves designating appropriate land uses in 
        flood-prone areas, avoiding high-risk zones for critical 
        infrastructure, and promoting sustainable development practices 
        that mitigate the impact of flooding.

        Infrastructure Improvements: Municipalities are also 
        investing in critical infrastructure projects that enhance 
        resilience. This includes the construction of flood barriers, 
        upgrading stormwater management systems, and implementing green 
        infrastructure solutions. These improvements not only protect 
        against flood-related losses but also contribute to the overall 
        sustainability and livability of the community.

        In essence, NFIP's support for local governments 
        extends beyond mere risk transfer through insurance. It 
        actively facilitates a culture of proactive risk reduction, 
        enabling communities to withstand and recover from flood events 
        with greater efficacy. Through collaboration, local authorities 
        can implement a suite of measures that collectively build a 
        more resilient and sustainable foundation for the well-being of 
        their residents and the long-term prosperity of the region.
Investment in Flood Mitigation
    In addition to the NFIP, unprecedented investments from Federal, 
State, and local sources are dedicated to minimizing losses caused by 
extreme climate events. Local governments express gratitude for the 
financial support allocated in the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs 
Act. This legislation includes a substantial commitment, with $3.5 
billion directed toward the Flood Mitigation Assistance Program and an 
additional $2.3 billion allocated for the Building Resilient 
Infrastructure in Communities (BRIC) grant program.
    These significant financial allocations present crucial 
opportunities for States and local governments to channel resources 
into strategic flood mitigation initiatives. By leveraging these funds, 
communities can enhance household and community resilience, 
implementing measures that fortify infrastructure against the impact of 
extreme weather events. The investments provided by the Infrastructure 
Investment and Jobs Act are pivotal in empowering local entities to 
proactively address and mitigate the challenges posed by flooding, 
thereby fostering a more resilient and secure future.
    While the increased Federal investment is greatly appreciated, it 
is crucial to acknowledge that it still falls significantly below the 
burgeoning demand for resources to combat the escalating risks of 
extreme weather events. The pressing need for additional resources is 
underscored by the alarming rise in the frequency and severity of 
weather-related incidents. The increased number of severe weather 
events makes it increasingly urgent to invest additional resources in 
fortifying communities against the escalating impacts of climate 
change.
    The growing frequency and intensity of extreme weather events 
underscore the urgency of bolstering Federal, State, and local efforts 
to enhance resilience, protect communities, and ensure the long-term 
sustainability of our infrastructure.
Extreme Weather Events
    Cities, towns, and villages are experiencing higher frequency and 
intensity of extreme weather events, including hurricanes, floods, 
heatwaves, and wildfires. These more severe and unpredictable weather 
conditions are leading to a heightened risk of disasters that can 
overwhelm existing infrastructure and emergency response
capabilities.
    Coastal communities are facing an increased risk of storm surges 
and flooding, with low-lying areas becoming more susceptible to 
inundation. This poses a threat to infrastructure, property, and the 
livelihoods of coastal communities.
    Climate change is also exacerbating the urban heat island effect, 
where cities experience higher temperatures compared to surrounding 
rural areas. This can lead to heatwaves with adverse impacts on public 
health, particularly among vulnerable populations. Heat-related 
illnesses and stresses on energy and water resources become more 
prevalent challenges for cities.
    Changes in precipitation patterns and increased evaporation 
contribute to water scarcity and drought conditions in many regions. 
Cities dependent on local water sources face challenges in meeting the 
demands of growing populations, agricultural needs, and industrial 
processes, leading to potential conflicts and disruptions.
    Extreme weather events, including intense storms and flooding, can 
damage or destroy infrastructure such as roads, bridges, and utilities, 
disrupting essential services and posing risks to public safety.
    We are also seeing that climate change influences the spread of 
infectious diseases, increases the risk of heat-related illnesses, and 
poses challenges to air and water quality. Cities must address these 
public health concerns, particularly in densely populated urban areas 
where the impacts can be more pronounced.
    Vulnerable communities within cities, often characterized by lower 
socioeconomic status, may bear a disproportionate burden of climate-
related risks. These communities may have limited resources and 
capacity to prepare in advance or recover from extreme weather events, 
exacerbating existing social and economic disparities.
    Addressing the risks posed by climate change requires proactive 
measures at the local, national, and global levels. Cities play a 
crucial role in implementing resilient urban planning, sustainable 
infrastructure and community engagement strategies to mitigate the 
impacts of climate change and enhance overall resilience. Collaboration 
among stakeholders, innovative solutions, and a commitment to 
sustainable practices are essential for building climate-resilient 
cities that can withstand and adapt to the challenges of a changing 
climate.
Resilience Planning
    Cities, towns, and villages are implementing a variety of 
initiatives to enhance their resilience and adaptability to various 
challenges, including climate change, natural disasters, and 
socioeconomic shifts. Here are some examples of how cities are working 
to make their communities more resilient:

    Green Infrastructure and Urban Planning--Many cities are 
        investing in green infrastructure, including parks, green 
        roofs, and permeable surfaces, to manage stormwater, reduce 
        flooding, and enhance overall resilience. Strategic urban 
        planning focuses on sustainable development practices that 
        prioritize resilience to climate-related impacts.

    Climate-Resilient Housing and Infrastructure--Cities are 
        incorporating climate-resilient design principles into the 
        construction of housing and infrastructure. This includes 
        building structures that can withstand extreme weather events, 
        such as hurricanes or floods, and implementing technologies to 
        enhance the overall durability and adaptability of buildings.

    Community-Based Disaster Preparedness Programs--Cities are 
        engaging in community-based disaster preparedness programs that 
        empower residents to be more resilient in the face of 
        emergencies. These initiatives involve community training, 
        early warning systems, and the establishment of local response 
        teams to ensure swift and effective action during crises.

    Renewable Energy and Sustainable Practices--Transitioning 
        to renewable energy sources and adopting sustainable practices 
        are key components of building resilient cities. Cities are 
        investing in renewable energy infrastructure, such as solar and 
        wind power, to reduce dependence on vulnerable energy systems 
        and decrease their carbon footprint.

    Smart City Technologies--The integration of smart city 
        technologies, including sensors, data analytics, and IoT 
        devices, allows cities to monitor and respond to various 
        challenges in real-time. This includes early detection of 
        environmental changes, traffic management, and improved 
        emergency response capabilities.

    Diverse and Inclusive Planning--Resilient cities prioritize 
        diversity and inclusivity in their planning processes. This 
        involves ensuring that all community members, including 
        vulnerable populations, have equal access to resources, 
        information, and services, thereby building a more cohesive and 
        resilient society.

    Collaboration and Partnerships--Cities are forming 
        partnerships with various stakeholders, including Government 
        agencies, nonprofit organizations, businesses, and academic 
        institutions. Collaborative efforts enable cities to leverage a 
        diverse set of skills, resources, and expertise to address 
        complex challenges and enhance overall resilience.

    Investment in Social Infrastructure--Resilient cities 
        recognize the importance of social infrastructure, such as 
        health care, education, and social services. Investing in 
        robust social systems ensures that communities can better 
        withstand and recover from shocks, including pandemics and 
        economic downturns.

    Adaptive Transportation Planning--Cities are adopting 
        adaptive transportation planning to address the challenges 
        posed by climate change and natural disasters. This includes 
        the development of resilient transportation networks, 
        incorporating alternative modes of transportation, and 
        designing infrastructure to withstand extreme weather events.

    Circular Economy Initiatives--Embracing circular economy 
        principles, cities are exploring ways to minimize waste, 
        promote recycling, and reduce environmental impact. By moving 
        away from a linear consumption model, cities enhance their 
        sustainability and resilience in the face of resource 
        constraints.

    These examples illustrate the diverse strategies and approaches 
that cities are employing to enhance their resilience, ensuring that 
they can thrive and adapt in the face of a rapidly changing world.
Mapping
    Acknowledging the importance of accurate floodplain mapping in 
determining flood risk and insurance rates, it is crucial to recognize 
that the current criticism of inadequate mapping and outdated data 
underscores the need for closer collaboration between the Federal 
Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and local governments. The outdated 
and inaccurate nature of the existing floodplain maps highlights the 
necessity for FEMA to actively engage with local authorities during the 
mapping process.
    To address this concern, FEMA should work more closely with local 
governments, taking into consideration any recent actions or future 
plans implemented by cities to mitigate flood risk in designated flood 
zones. By incorporating local insights and initiatives into the mapping 
process, FEMA can enhance the accuracy of floodplain maps. This 
collaborative approach not only ensures that policyholders are more 
informed about their true flood risk but also contributes to setting 
more appropriate and reflective insurance premiums. Improved 
communication and coordination between FEMA and local governments are 
essential to maintaining up-to-date, reliable, and comprehensive 
floodplain mapping systems.
Communicating Flood Risk
    Effectively communicating flood risks to the public is a 
multifaceted challenge that requires comprehensive attention and 
action. One of the primary issues lies in the widespread lack of 
awareness among individuals regarding the specific flood risks they 
face and the crucial importance of obtaining flood insurance. To 
address this, a concerted effort is needed to enhance public awareness 
and education about flood risks and available insurance options.
    Many individuals residing in flood-prone areas may not fully grasp 
the extent of the flood risks associated with their locations. This 
lack of awareness can lead to a false sense of security, with property 
owners underestimating the potential impact of flooding on their homes 
and communities.
    Communicating the importance of obtaining flood insurance is 
critical. There may be a misconception that standard homeowners' 
insurance policies cover flood-related damages, leading property owners 
to neglect securing specific flood insurance. Emphasizing the unique 
benefits of flood insurance and its role in safeguarding against 
financial losses is crucial.
    Implementing educational initiatives at the community level is 
essential. This can include workshops, seminars, and informational 
campaigns aimed at providing residents with a comprehensive 
understanding of flood risks, potential consequences, and the 
protective measures offered by flood insurance.
    Engaging with local communities and leveraging community leaders 
can enhance the effectiveness of awareness campaigns. Establishing 
partnerships with local organizations, schools, and neighborhood 
associations can facilitate targeted outreach efforts to ensure that 
information about flood risks and insurance options reaches a broader 
audience.
    Recognizing the diversity of communities and property owners, 
tailored communication strategies are necessary. Information should be 
presented in a clear, accessible manner, considering cultural, 
linguistic, and socioeconomic factors to ensure it resonates with a 
broad spectrum of residents.
    Exploring incentives to encourage property owners to enroll in 
flood insurance is a proactive approach. This could involve creating 
awareness about potential financial assistance, reduced premiums for 
proactive mitigation measures, or other benefits associated with having 
flood insurance coverage.
    Despite the efforts to improve awareness, there is still a 
considerable number of properties at risk of flooding that remain 
uninsured. Addressing this issue requires a comprehensive strategy 
involving regulatory measures, financial incentives, and community 
engagement to encourage property owners to prioritize flood insurance 
as a vital component of their risk management.
    Enhancing public awareness and education about flood risks and 
insurance options is not only a critical aspect of building a 
sustainable flood insurance program but is also a shared responsibility 
that involves collaboration between Government agencies, insurers, 
communities, and individuals. Through a concerted effort to inform and 
empower property owners, we can work towards reducing the number of at-
risk properties that remain uninsured, ultimately fostering greater 
resilience in the face of potential flooding events.
Private Insurance Market
    While private flood insurance policies offer consumers a range of 
options, including potential cost savings and broader coverage, the 
feasibility of the private sector providing flood insurance for a 
significant portion of those at risk remains doubtful. This skepticism 
arises from the inherent challenge of insuring against catastrophic 
risks at a price point that remains affordable for the general 
populace, as previously discussed. This challenge is expected to 
intensify with the escalating impacts of climate change and ongoing 
development, heightening flood risks in numerous regions across the 
country.
    Moreover, local governments express valid concerns that private 
insurance providers may engage in cherry-picking, selecting lower-risk 
properties, and leaving the more vulnerable ones to be covered by the 
NFIP. Such a scenario not only raises equity issues but also poses a 
threat to the sustainability of the NFIP. If private insurers avoid 
high-risk properties, the NFIP may bear the brunt of covering the most 
vulnerable areas, potentially straining its resources and diminishing 
its overall sustainability.
    The looming threat of climate change and increased development 
renders private flood insurance potentially unattainable for many 
households at risk. The severity of flood losses, coupled with their 
potential to jeopardize insurer solvency, dissuades many private 
insurers from assuming such risks at any reasonable price point. This 
cautious approach is evident in the retreat of private insurers from 
various climate-related perils. For instance, insurers in States like 
Louisiana and Florida are reducing their willingness to provide 
homeowner's insurance, while some in California are scaling back their 
presence in high wildfire-risk areas of the State.
    In light of these challenges, including the concern of cherry-
picking by private insurers, and the reluctance of private insurers to 
cover high-risk properties, the NFIP is poised to maintain a dominant 
role in offering comprehensive indemnity flood insurance for the 
foreseeable future. The NFIP's capacity to address the unique 
challenges associated with catastrophic flood events positions it as a 
crucial player in providing financial protection to communities at 
risk, ensuring a level of coverage that may prove elusive in the 
private sector.
CDBG-DR Reform
    One major concern for local governments is with the Community 
Development Block Grant Disaster Recovery (CDBG-DR) Program. While the 
purpose of the program is for long-term recovery efforts after a 
disaster the sluggish pace of funding disbursement is very problematic 
to local governments. The bureaucratic hurdles and lengthy processes 
associated with the program often mean that much-needed funds take too 
long to reach our community in the aftermath of a disaster. This delay 
hampers our ability to address the urgent needs of our residents and 
businesses promptly, slowing down our recovery efforts and impacting 
the well-being of our residents.
    Additionally, the complexity of the CDBG-DR application and 
approval procedures is a significant challenge. Navigating the 
intricate requirements can be daunting, especially for communities with 
limited resources. Simplifying these processes is crucial to ensure 
that all eligible communities can access the funds efficiently. We need 
a more straightforward and accessible application system that aligns 
with the urgency of post-disaster recovery.
    Moreover, the lack of flexibility in fund utilization poses another 
obstacle. Communities vary in their recovery needs, and rigid 
guidelines limit our ability to tailor the use of funds to our specific 
circumstances. We advocate for a more adaptable framework that empowers 
us to allocate funds in ways that best address the unique challenges 
faced by our community, fostering a more effective and responsive 
recovery process.
    That is why NLC supports the bipartisan Reforming Disaster Recovery 
Act (S. 1686). We are encouraged that this important legislation would 
make significant improvements to the CDBG-DR program to help our 
communities recover faster from major disasters.
Conclusion
    In conclusion, the National Flood Insurance Program is an 
invaluable resource for our community, providing financial protection 
for our residents and supporting our efforts to build a more resilient 
and sustainable future. I urge the Senate Banking Committee to continue 
its commitment to the NFIP and consider enhancements that will further 
strengthen the program's effectiveness in safeguarding communities 
across the Nation.
    Thank you for your attention to this matter, and I am available to 
provide any additional information or answer any questions you may 
have.
       RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR WARNOCK
                       FROM MICHAEL HECHT

Q.1. In your testimony, you cite data from the Coalition for 
Sustainable Flood Insurance (CSFI) that denotes that 98.5 
percent of National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP) policies are 
in counties with a median household income below $100,000. \1\ 
You also note that 62 percent of all policy holders are in an 
area with an annual income below the national average. Given 
the rise in property and casualty insurance premiums nationally 
and inflationary costs, \2\ many working families are already 
struggling to maintain existing levels of insurance coverage, 
let alone federally backed coverage through the NFIP.
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     \1\ Coalition for Sustainable Flood Insurance (CSFI), https://
csfi.info.
     \2\ Arthur Fliegelman, ``Wind, Fire, Water, Hail: What Is Going on 
in the Property Insurance Market and Why Does It Matter?'', Office of 
Financial Research (Dec. 14, 2023), https://www.financialresearch.gov/
the-ofr-blog/2023/12/14/property-insurance-market.
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    How can we ensure that homeowners, specifically those from 
lower- and middle-income communities and communities of color, 
are aware of the importance of flood insurance coverage?

A.1. Thank you, Senator Warnock, for your question, ``how can 
we ensure that homeowners, specifically those from lower- and 
middle-income communities and communities of color, are aware 
of the importance of flood insurance coverage?'' As put forward 
in my testimony, NFIP works to protect working communities--
coastal and inland--across our country. Higher-income 
households are more likely to have flood insurance than lower-
income households, yet household incomes are lower within 
Special Flood Hazard Areas. This means that those who are more 
prone to flooding, according to Flood Insurance Rate Maps 
(FIRMs), are less able to pay for flood insurance coverage.
    Communicating flood risk through price, rather than 
geographic factors, actual loss, and anticipated loss 
assessments, widens the insurance gap, since price is the key 
variable identified as depressing flood insurance purchases. 
Currently, under Risk Rating 2.0, FEMA is using premium as its 
primary means of communication flood risk, which is not 
effective in communicating the importance of flood insurance 
coverage. This is actively evidenced by significant decreases 
in participation nationwide, including a decrease of 7 percent 
in Georgia, since Risk Rating 2.0's implementation.
    Higher premiums and fees lead to fewer policies in force 
and less coverage in force, creating greater risk exposure. 
FEMA should consider communication through employing other data 
points and publicizing the dozens of rating factors unique to 
individual properties--like distance to coast or levee 
quality--that are factored into the Risk Rating 2.0 methodology 
``black box,'' ultimately generating premiums seen.
    As outlined in our ``An Evaluation of Risk Rating 2.0 
Impacts on National Flood Insurance Program'' white paper, from 
past studies, a price increase of 1 percent causes a decreased 
demand of 0.11 percent to 0.87 percent for flood insurance 
policies, while causing a larger decrease in demand for 
coverage in force. Conversely, recent flood damage, distance to 
coast, and higher incomes--affecting ability to afford 
insurance--increase demand.
    There is also a misperception that those outside of Special 
Flood Hazard Areas are safe from flooding. FEMA has stated that 
``between 2015 and 2019 policyholders outside to high-risk 
areas filed more than 40 percent of all NFIP flood insurance 
claims'' and ``one-third of disaster assistance for flooding'' 
are outside of high-risk areas. These losses, and the 
associated miscommunication, place a burden on homeowners, 
lenders, and the general public who carry the tax burden for 
federally funded disaster recovery.
    Discussion around the expansion of flood zones and purchase 
requirements may spread awareness of flood risk and improve 
coverage. For example, according to their Draft 2023 Annual 
Report, FEMA's Technical Mapping Advisory Committee (TMAC) is 
recommending use of the 95 percent confidence value for 
identifying the area in which the mandatory purchase will 
apply. TMAC says this ``will reduce risk (and surprise) to 
homeowners, lenders, and the general taxpayer in areas just 
above the current mean 1-percent-annual-chance.''
    Following flood events of Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane 
Rita in 2005, Congress considered legislation, H.R. 4320, 
``National Flood Insurance Program Commitment to Policyholders 
and Reform Act of 2005''. This bill would have expanded the 
definition of the Special Flood Hazard Area to the ``500-year 
floodplain.'' The bill, which did not pass, was eventually 
amended to instead require ``a study regarding the impact, 
effectiveness, and feasibility of amending the . . . mandatory 
flood insurance coverage purchase requirements . . . to all 
properties located in the 500-year floodplain.'' Congress could 
consider advancing a study like this one proposed nearly two 
decades ago.
    To make flood insurance important, it has to be attainable. 
Thus, Congress must prioritize authorization of an 
affordability program. Housing burden is high in many markets 
with high NFIP participation; thus, a means-tested 
affordability program, involving housing burden as a factor, 
can offset and more equitably address rising costs of flood 
insurance relative to a program based on Area Median Income 
(AMI) alone. Considering housing burden in affordability 
program qualifications will prevent communities with a lower 
AMI from being unduly disadvantaged by short-sighted 
policymaking. Rather, it would particularly benefit cost-
burdened communities, which may now be able to purchase or 
renew NFIP coverage.
    We appreciate all outreach efforts of FEMA as well as 
elected officials, insurance agents, floodplain managers, and 
more interest groups involved in our Coalition for Sustainable 
Flood Insurance (CSFI). Their work is essential in spreading 
awareness of the importance of flood insurance within 
communities, while uplifting it as a Federal priority.

Q.2. Many homeowners do not realize that their standard home
insurance policy does not cover flood damage. \3\ Flood 
insurance differs from other insurance products in that, 
provided their community is enrolled, a homeowner may purchase 
coverage at any time.
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     \3\ National Flood Insurance Program, ``Am I Required To Have 
Flood Insurance?'', https://www.floodsmart.gov/am-i-required-have-
flood-insurance.
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    What have been the most effective ways you have articulated 
and messaged the importance of purchasing flood insurance 
coverage?

A.2. Thank you again, Senator Warnock, for your question, 
``What have been the most effective ways you have articulated 
and messaged the importance of purchasing flood insurance 
coverage?''
    Louisiana has the highest per capita uptake of flood 
insurance largely because of cultural awareness of flooding, 
not necessarily because of higher inherent risk. In Louisiana, 
we talk often about flooding, and we know friends and family 
who, in current or past generations, have experienced flood 
events. Louisiana also has high coverage due to the 
availability heuristic--we have had some of the largest-profile 
flood events in the Nation's history. Even though this risk has 
been largely mitigated through investments in flood protection, 
immediately available examples of a hazard influence purchase 
of coverage. However, as seen with recent NFIP participation 
decreases of over 10 percent in Louisiana, recent flood events 
only temporarily increase purchases. According to literature, 
this effect fades after 3 years.
    Studies have found that publicly funded mitigation 
assistance has a positive effect on the decision to purchase 
flood insurance. This contradicts assumptions that insurance 
and mitigation are substitutes. So, Congress's prioritization 
of appropriations for U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and 
community-level flood protection projects may actually increase 
flood insurance purchase. Key Federal grant programs, like 
FEMA's Building Resilience in Communities (BRIC) and Flood 
Mitigation Assistance (FMA) programs, should reduce risk while 
improving coverage.
    The glidepath of 18 percent for most residential 
policyholders helps policyholders understand the importance of 
renewing coverage. As policyholders may face higher prices for 
flood insurance in the future if they do not maintain coverage, 
they are more likely to stay in the NFIP, especially if they 
understand glidepath benefits. According to participation 
projections based on flood insurance price elasticity research, 
authorizing a rate hike cap of 9 percent, compared to 18 
percent, may cut expected long-term NFIP participation 
decreases, due to Risk Rating 2.0, in half. According to NFIP, 
only about 4 percent of homeowners nationwide have flood 
insurance, so we cannot afford to lose more policies and 
further expose the country to risk.
    Meanwhile, two-thirds of Americans incorrectly believe that 
their homeowners or renters policy will provide coverage for 
flood damage, according to a study by Neptune Flood. Federal 
all-peril solutions would subvert this misunderstanding. For 
example, the recently introduced ``Incorporating National 
Support for Unprecedented Risks and Emergencies (INSURE) Act'', 
H.R. 6944, would stabilize the home insurance market while 
ensuring vulnerable communities are not excluded from coverage. 
The INSURE Act would offer a Federal reinsurance backstop, 
while requiring participating insurers to cover all natural 
disasters, so policyholders would indeed have flood insurance 
coverage.
    We appreciate your consideration of all-perils solutions, 
annual premium increase limitations, and Federal investments in 
mitigation, which should all serve to improve flood insurance 
understanding and uptake.
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       RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR WARNOCK
                     FROM DANIEL KANIEWSKI

Q.1. According to the Financial Stability Oversight Council 
(FSOC), ``Climate risk might increase the costs associated with 
housing such as insurance premiums and the frequency and cost 
of repairs, further exacerbating the home-ownership challenges 
for low-income and majority-minority communities.'' \1\ In your 
testimony, you discuss a comprehensive flood resilience 
strategy, that includes Federal, State, and local officials 
engaging with stakeholders.
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     \1\ Financial Stability Oversight Council, ``Financial Stability 
Oversight Council Annual Report 2023'' (Dec. 14, 2023), https://
home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-markets-financial-
institutions-and-fiscal-service/fsoc/studies-and-reports/annual-
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    Can you detail what an effective model of Federal, State, 
and local government officials coordinating with stakeholders, 
like insurance companies, to improve resilience efforts could 
look like? What type of Federal resources and authorities would 
be needed to support such an effort?

A.1. An innovative approach to boosting insurance purchasing 
that Marsh McLennan is involved in is known as community-based 
catastrophe insurance (CBCI). Essentially, CBCI provides 
disaster insurance arranged by a local government, quasi-
governmental body, or community group to cover a group of 
properties.
    The benefits of CBCI fall into three main areas: enhancing 
financial resilience; providing affordable coverage; and 
creating incentives for risk reduction at the community and 
individual levels.
    This type of program is flexible and can be created to 
cover a single hazard or a range of natural disasters for a 
given community, including flood, but also wildfire, 
earthquake, and others. Such broad applications can further 
incentivize a community's risk management efforts--risk 
reduction, risk communication, and risk transfer--across 
multiple perils. For flood risk, this could mean levee 
improvements and/or ecosystem-based interventions, including 
wetlands enhancements, and more.
    Within broad parameters, CBCI has much flexibility in its 
structure and design, with varying degrees of community 
responsibilities possible. These range from a facilitator 
model, where the community members contract with insurers, to a 
captive insurer, in which the community establishes and 
operates its own risk-bearing entity.
    Federal resources and authorities could help facilitate 
CBCI transactions. For example, if communities were permitted 
to purchase insurance (CBCI or otherwise) through various 
Federal grant programs, such as FEMA's Building Resilient 
Infrastructure and Communities (BRIC) grant program, 
communities would be better able to protect themselves from the 
financial impacts of disasters. We recommend FEMA include 
insurance premiums as an eligible type of assistance in its 
BRIC grant guidance and consider doing so for its other 
preparedness and hazard mitigation grant programs as well.
    Additionally, FEMA has existing authorities to incentivize 
State and local governments to reduce their risks and to better 
protect Federal taxpayers from disaster losses. One such 
authority was granted to FEMA in the 2018 Balanced Budget Act 
(https://www.nibs.org/blog/disaster-resilience-trillion-dollar-
challenge-heres-what-fema-can-do-help.) This authority amends 
Section 406(b) of the Stafford Act to increase the Federal cost 
share of its Public Assistance programs for communities that 
take proactive steps to reduce hazards. The resilience measures 
identified in the statute--mitigation plans, insurance, 
emergency management programs, building codes, risk ratings, 
State/local mitigation funding, and tax incentives--aim to 
reduce financial losses and human suffering and get communities 
up and running faster after a disaster. By raising the Federal 
cost share for FEMA Public Assistance on a sliding scale from 
75 percent to up to 85 percent, a community that takes 
proactive steps could receive millions of dollars more in post-
disaster funding.
    We see the implementation of this provision as a 
significant opportunity to remove existing barriers to 
resilience investments and a strong incentive for communities 
to do the right thing before disaster strikes. However, FEMA 
has not yet implemented this authority. We strongly encourage 
the full implementation of this provision.

Q.2. How would such an effort help mitigate increasing 
insurance costs on low-income and communities of color?

A.2. Such an effort would help mitigate insurance costs on low-
income communities of color by providing a financial safety net 
that largely does not exist today. Marsh McLennan is currently 
involved with a project in New York City, which is the Nation's 
first community-based catastrophe insurance (CBCI). The 
project's goal is to increase the financial resilience of low- 
and moderate-income households to flood risk. These communities 
are increasingly vulnerable to flooding and are, in many 
instances, underinsured or uninsured.
    Guy Carpenter, a business of Marsh McLennan, is working 
with the City of New York and the nonprofit Center for NYC 
Neighborhoods (CNYCN) https://climate.cityofnewyork.us/mocej-
and-cnycn-launch-innovative-pilot-to-address-flooding-2/, as 
well as the nonprofits Environmental Defense Fund and SBP, 
reinsurer Swiss Re, and insurtech ICEYE, to pilot the program 
in designated neighborhoods. The pilot was jointly funded by 
the National Science Foundation and the Department of Homeland 
Security through a Civic Innovation Challenge award.
    In the NYC program, payouts will be made to CNYCN for 
qualifying flood events based on a mix of satellite data; on-
the-ground, real-time sensors; and social media images. Once a 
qualified event triggers the payment, homeowners will be able 
to apply for assistance--on their own or with help from CNYCN's 
network partners. Qualified applicants can then receive a grant 
up to $15,000 from CNYCN quickly following a major flood.
    The intent of these payments is to support residents and 
their broader communities in getting back to normal faster. It 
also will allow them to avoid having to make such tough 
decisions as whether to pay for home flood repairs versus other 
critical family needs, like health care, food, and saving for 
education.
    We are proud to have helped kickstart this innovative 
program and hope it will cause other communities to establish 
their own CBCI program. Federal grant funding could be a 
catalyst here.
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       RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR WARNOCK
                      FROM STEVE PATTERSON

Q.1. Given the rise in property and casualty insurance premiums 
nationally and inflationary costs, \1\ many working families 
are already struggling to maintain existing levels of insurance 
coverage, let alone federally backed coverage through the NFIP.
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    How can we ensure that homeowners, specifically those from 
lower- and middle-income communities and communities of color, 
are aware of the importance of flood insurance coverage?

A.1. Addressing the rising costs of flood insurance amidst 
national premium hikes and inflation requires a focused 
approach on education and financial support, particularly for 
lower- and middle-income families and communities of color. 
Initiating community engagement and education programs, 
utilizing multiple languages for information dissemination, and 
forming partnerships with local businesses and nonprofits for 
financial assistance are key strategies. It's vital to make 
flood insurance information accessible and comprehensible to 
everyone, ensuring materials are available in various languages 
and formats, and leveraging technology and social media to 
reach a wider audience.
    Furthermore, advocating for policy changes at State and 
Federal levels to make flood insurance more affordable is 
essential. This includes seeking reforms within the National 
Flood Insurance Program to ensure equity and pushing for 
investments in resilient infrastructure to reduce flood risks. 
By combining education with actionable support and 
infrastructure improvements, we can ensure that all community 
members understand the importance of flood insurance and have 
the means to protect their homes and families against the 
increasing threat of flooding.

Q.2. In your testimony, you discuss the importance of 
resilience planning, specifically as it comes to addressing the 
effects of climate change, natural disasters, and socioeconomic 
shifts.
    Are there currently cost-based or other barriers to 
homeowners' ability to access mitigation incentives? What needs 
to be done to raise awareness of and increase access to 
mitigation incentives?

A.2. One of the primary barriers hindering homeowners' access 
to mitigation incentives is the upfront cost associated with 
implementing mitigation measures, such as retrofitting homes to 
be more flood-resistant. These costs can be prohibitive, 
especially for low- and middle-income families, despite the 
long-term savings and environmental benefits.
    Additionally, there is a significant information gap 
regarding the availability and benefits of these incentives. 
Many homeowners are simply unaware of the programs available to 
them or find the
application process overly complex and discouraging. To 
overcome these barriers, a multipronged approach is necessary.
    First, the application process for mitigation incentives 
should be simplified and streamlined. This can involve creating 
a centralized online portal where homeowners can easily find 
information and apply for all relevant incentives. Secondly, 
there needs to be increased funding for these programs to 
reduce the initial cost
burden on homeowners. This could include direct subsidies, low-
interest loans, or tax incentives.
    Addressing the barriers to accessing mitigation incentives 
requires a combination of reducing financial burdens, 
simplifying the application processes, and engaging in robust 
community outreach to ensure homeowners are informed and 
empowered to protect their properties against the effects of 
climate change and natural disasters.
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